Speaker 1: Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning. Hey,
Speaker 1: how you doing. Come on in and have a seat.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about animals today, specifically dogs. You know, I
Speaker 1: had an author on the program last year talking in
Speaker 1: general about animals and people really liked it. And so
Speaker 1: I keep my eyes open for topics that are supportive
Speaker 1: of that theme. And I remember Destiny is all about
Speaker 1: tools for transformation, and I have a really good one today,
Speaker 1: an author who is a holistic herbalist, a canine herbalist,
Speaker 1: who recommends using herbs and quality foods for dog health.
Speaker 1: And I think it's important to note that when we
Speaker 1: have an animal, we have a dog in our lives,
Speaker 1: and I've had a number of dogs, they're like children.
Speaker 1: You have to really be careful what you feed them,
Speaker 1: how you work with them, how you exercise them, and
Speaker 1: you have to be conscious of it. And so many people,
Speaker 1: my friends, my family, consider kibble is the primary food
Speaker 1: or wet food out of a can, without really considering
Speaker 1: the dog's health. And as we're going to learn today,
Speaker 1: it's really critical what we feed our animals and how
Speaker 1: we are part of that animal's environment. And when I
Speaker 1: say environment, it's like when we're feeling bad. They pick
Speaker 1: up on that. Dogs are really hyper sensitive. And I've
Speaker 1: known this and discovered it over the years. If you're depressed,
Speaker 1: if you're feeling sad, they understand that. They pick it up,
Speaker 1: they can feel it. And we're gonna hear about how
Speaker 1: to go about working with your dogs or dog and
Speaker 1: the responsibility of being a parent or a dog owner.
Speaker 1: And you know, I figured this out after having a
Speaker 1: couple of dogs. You know, you think they can do
Speaker 1: their own thing, but they're very reliant. They're completely reliant
Speaker 1: on their human parents to help them live a healthy life.
Speaker 1: And it's funny because we're going to hear this today
Speaker 1: that the veterinarians of the world, although they're honorable, they
Speaker 1: still follow a similar path that our allopathic doctors follow,
Speaker 1: which is great amounts of drugs, great amounts of steroids,
Speaker 1: great amounts of unnecessary femotherapy when an animal isn't well.
Speaker 1: And I see this with my brother. I haven't had
Speaker 1: a dog in a couple of years, but my brother
Speaker 1: and his wife got a terrier. And terriers require a
Speaker 1: great deal of energy because they're hyper. They get to
Speaker 1: get they want to get out, they want to run
Speaker 1: they want to see what's going on. They very very
Speaker 1: interested in what's going on when they're walking and when
Speaker 1: they're running and when they're out. And if you don't
Speaker 1: have a lot of energy, and I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: my brother doesn't have a lot of energy, but they're
Speaker 1: they're demanding. It's almost like you need to really be
Speaker 1: aware of the dog breed that you are acquiring if
Speaker 1: you want to be a dog owner. And I think
Speaker 1: they may have become challenged with the need for more walking,
Speaker 1: more outside time, and a diet that supports their their personalities.
Speaker 1: So it's interesting to say this though, and you can
Speaker 1: see this and dog owners, dogs are a reflection of
Speaker 1: our own personality and lifestyles as well. So if we're
Speaker 1: into exercise and eating well, I think we were responsible
Speaker 1: for the dog having the same kind of environment and
Speaker 1: the same kind of world good food, good exercise, and
Speaker 1: responsible parenting. I call it parenting, but it's really responsible ownership.
Speaker 1: So I think you've got to like this today. The
Speaker 1: book is The Herbal Dog Holistic Canine Herbalism Applications and Practices,
Speaker 1: and my guest is Rita Hogan. She has been working
Speaker 1: with dogs for over twenty years and the book just
Speaker 1: came out, just came out a few weeks ago, and
Speaker 1: it's really and I had to say this when I
Speaker 1: was reading it. It's a great reference. So it's not
Speaker 1: like you have to really know all about herbs, but
Speaker 1: you know, it's a good primmer for using herbs as
Speaker 1: a supplement, supplementing your dog's diet with herbs. Wow, it's amazing.
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Speaker 1: I have a fantastic book for you. It's brand new.
Speaker 1: It's called The Herbal Dog Holistic Canine Herbalism Applications and Practices.
Speaker 1: And I got to tell you, not only was I
Speaker 1: pleasantly surprised that the way it was designed, it's a
Speaker 1: true herb book for animals, specifically dogs. And I wish
Speaker 1: I'd known about it when I had dogs years ago
Speaker 1: because the solutions, the remedies are fabulous. And my guest
Speaker 1: today has been working in the field for many, many years.
Speaker 1: My guest is Rita Hogan, and she is a clinical
Speaker 1: canine herbalist. Can you believe it, We're gonna learn a
Speaker 1: little bit about that today. She hasn't just been doing
Speaker 1: this for a few years, She's been doing this for
Speaker 1: over twenty years. And this book is fantastic. So Rita,
Speaker 1: welcome to Destiny. Great to have you on the program.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: All right, tell us about this book. Why did you
Speaker 1: write this book? I mean, I want to just say this.
Speaker 1: In the beginning of the book, you have this wonderful
Speaker 1: kind of opening where you were talking about living on
Speaker 1: the growing up on a farm, having animals, seeing how
Speaker 1: they are nurtured and age and so forth and so on.
Speaker 1: That's a big part of this history of yours, isn't it. Yes?
Speaker 2: For sure, it really did imprint on me. And you know,
Speaker 2: as I talk about in the book, my dog Susie
Speaker 2: lived until she was at least twenty four, if not
Speaker 2: twenty seven. But my dad passed away, so we can't
Speaker 2: really ask him. He's the man that would know. But
Speaker 2: my brothers and sisters, you know, they're quite older than me,
Speaker 2: and they know that at least it was twenty four,
Speaker 2: So she was there way before I was born and
Speaker 2: after I went to college. So it was interesting, you know,
Speaker 2: looking at how she lived her life and how our
Speaker 2: dogs are living their lives right now to night and day.
Speaker 1: Do you suspect that your dad was using herbs, incorporating
Speaker 1: herbs and holistic remedies into the animal's daily lives on
Speaker 1: the farm.
Speaker 2: So Susie didn't. I never saw him usually use herbs
Speaker 2: with the dogs. He used him with the horses and
Speaker 2: pigs and cows. But Susie, her like, her diet was
Speaker 2: pretty simple. She had raw milk from our cow Motley.
Speaker 2: She ate meat scraps. She ate whole foods, she ate
Speaker 2: off the table. I mean we ate, like we didn't
Speaker 2: eat processed foods for the most part. There wasn't a
Speaker 2: lot of processed foods in the seventies. And she, you know,
Speaker 2: whenever I would I rode my horse most days, and
Speaker 2: she would be behind us walking nibbling, eating plants, eating,
Speaker 2: you know, eating little creatures that made me cry, and
Speaker 2: you know, just do and stuff that dogs do. But
Speaker 2: she also like got to choose if she wanted to
Speaker 2: sleep outside or not. She got tons of fresh air,
Speaker 2: which you know, fresh air is a huge thing for
Speaker 2: dogs right now because the dogs spend the majority of
Speaker 2: their lives inside.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Okay, what is a holistic herbalist.
Speaker 2: Who is different than like an allopathic herbalist herbalist? The
Speaker 2: easiest way to explain it is, you know, well, I
Speaker 2: don't know, seven to ten years ago, you would see
Speaker 2: all of those lists five things that for arthritis, ten
Speaker 2: herbs for arthritis, right, yeah, and people would literally like
Speaker 2: take six herbs on that list. But and people always say,
Speaker 2: you know, rita, what's the best what's the best herb
Speaker 2: for my dog? I can't answer that without asking you
Speaker 2: a slew of questions. You know, dogs are individuals, and
Speaker 2: a lot of times when people don't feel that herbs
Speaker 2: work out, it's because they're not appropriate for your individual dog.
Speaker 2: And that is the biggest thing. Because plants have language,
Speaker 2: you know, they speak on a language of opposites. So
Speaker 2: if you're warm or your dog is warm, you're going
Speaker 2: to give poling herbs. You know, turmeric, right, Turmeric is
Speaker 2: everyone knows what turmeric is. It's an excellent anti inflammatory,
Speaker 2: but it's not an excellent, excellent anti inflammatory for a
Speaker 2: very warm person or a very warm dog. It causes
Speaker 2: more heat, and that's when you get into trouble. So
Speaker 2: when you learn plant language, you can use herbs so
Speaker 2: much more effectively, and that's kind of the basis of
Speaker 2: holistic herbalism.
Speaker 1: I was amazed, and this makes perfect sense to me
Speaker 1: that when you go to your typical vet, they are
Speaker 1: using a allopathic modality, which is using drugs, using hormon
Speaker 1: shots and surgery and pretty invasive treatments. Is it your
Speaker 1: hope or can you tell us our herbs being more
Speaker 1: incorporated into veterinarian practices today or is it more that
Speaker 1: the individual parent of a dog, cat animal is the
Speaker 1: one who is speaking up and saying I'd like to
Speaker 1: try this.
Speaker 2: I think it depends, so I think people people are frustrated.
Speaker 2: You know, veterinary allopathic veterinary care is really good at
Speaker 2: saving lives, yeah right, And it's excellent at like end
Speaker 2: of life care to create more more comfort, excellent in
Speaker 2: emergency situations like if your dog gets hit by a car.
Speaker 2: But I don't think the doctors of today are skilled
Speaker 2: in the art of prevention and longevity as far as
Speaker 2: having a dog thrive. Looking at nutrition, very little nutrition,
Speaker 2: if any training in vet school. And you know thatts
Speaker 2: are busy, right, They're busy, and you really have to
Speaker 2: take time out of your practice to learn something new.
Speaker 2: A lot of vets have started learning acupuncture, which is great.
Speaker 2: I'm very happy for that. And when you learn acupuncture,
Speaker 2: you start to learn kind of how the body is connected.
Speaker 2: And my book is all about how everything in the
Speaker 2: body is connected. And when you understand the dog as
Speaker 2: an ecosystem, you get that the treatments that you're getting
Speaker 2: at the VET are just to quell symptoms. They're not
Speaker 2: to solve the problem in the first place. And I
Speaker 2: truly believe in integrative care. I would I like, you know,
Speaker 2: functional kind of functional medicine on the on the human side,
Speaker 2: you know, functional medicine for dogs, including plants. And I'm
Speaker 2: I'm on a book tour right now and I've had
Speaker 2: close to thirty vets at my my events and that's
Speaker 2: been that's been really promising. I really like that. And
Speaker 2: I'm you know, I'm I have a lot of holistic
Speaker 2: fat colleagues.
Speaker 1: I like that. You know, it's funny you mentioned functional
Speaker 1: medicine and this is something that's recently come on board
Speaker 1: with human medicine, is functional medicine, which is more integrative
Speaker 1: in its capacity to heal than just allopathy. One of
Speaker 1: the things that I find fascinating about your book. And
Speaker 1: by the way, those of you listening, Rita has done
Speaker 1: a great job. And this is a reference book. So
Speaker 1: would you say that it's made for everyone from the
Speaker 1: beginner to the advanced parent. And I want to just
Speaker 1: say this parent being observer observers of their animals in
Speaker 1: terms of how they reacted to foods and things like that.
Speaker 2: The book is definitely for everyone. It's for vets. Vet
Speaker 2: TeX's uh, holistic practitioners. Functional medicine doctors, and then the
Speaker 2: everyday average pet parent in that the things that it
Speaker 2: covers apply to all including our kidtie friends. You know,
Speaker 2: it is a reference book, but it's also a teaching book.
Speaker 2: Like the first part of the book, it's it's it's
Speaker 2: in two parts. The first part teaches you, you know, what
Speaker 2: is holistic herbalism, what a you know, what is my
Speaker 2: opinion on evidence based medicine. You know, how to look
Speaker 2: at evidence space medicine so that you're not looking at
Speaker 2: a biased uh study. And how herbs are used in studies. Uh,
Speaker 2: it's not the herbs that you know, standardized herbs are
Speaker 2: has to be have to be used in studies, and
Speaker 2: those are they're they're a little different than than you know,
Speaker 2: your regular herb that you would gather outside.
Speaker 1: But in the in.
Speaker 2: The book itself, I deal a little a little with
Speaker 2: feeding diet is very important, especially for our indoor dogs.
Speaker 2: And then and then I move right into teaching you
Speaker 2: you know, how to look at your dog as an
Speaker 2: ecosystem and an individual and going through the you know,
Speaker 2: the nervous system, the lymphatic system, the liver, the lungs,
Speaker 2: the heart, and that that's that chapter is called everything's connected,
Speaker 2: and that's really gonna it's very easy to read, and
Speaker 2: it's gonna teach you to look at your dog differently.
Speaker 2: And when you start observing your and looking at your
Speaker 2: dog differently, things just really open up and you understand
Speaker 2: like that you can't do this without that right, and
Speaker 2: that herbs aren't really that this for that switch like
Speaker 2: a lot of you know, allopathy looks at when you
Speaker 2: look at herbs like well, I need something to replace this, right, right.
Speaker 2: Herbs go into the body and they fix things, They
Speaker 2: balance things. The body is always trying to get back
Speaker 2: to being in balance. And it's tenacious, right. We beat
Speaker 2: the crap out of our bodies and our dog's bodies.
Speaker 2: And many of the standard of care pharmaceuticals in the
Speaker 2: veterinary industry affect the body for years. One of them
Speaker 2: is I talk about in my book is metronatazol, which
Speaker 2: is flagile and it's given in human medicine and also
Speaker 2: veterinary medicine, but it's it's the standard of care for diarrhea. Right,
Speaker 2: So if you bring your dog in for diarrhea, you're
Speaker 2: gonna get flagile. And one of the things that flagile
Speaker 2: does is it turns on it genetically alters the gut, right,
Speaker 2: and it turns on inflammation markers. You know, does it
Speaker 2: create a polymorphism, I'm not sure, but it turns on
Speaker 2: inflammation in the gut. And almost every client that I've
Speaker 2: ever helped with herbs that has like ibd IBS severe
Speaker 2: gut issues. Dogs can only eat two proteins. Things like that,
Speaker 2: I find the flagile in their history. And we kind
Speaker 2: of like, antibiotics have become so commonplace that we kind
Speaker 2: of just well, they had antibiotics, but that was six
Speaker 2: months ago, or that was two years ago. But until
Speaker 2: we do something to alter the damage that that antibiotic
Speaker 2: has done, you're gonna see, You're gonna see symptoms. And
Speaker 2: my book is written on the premise of organ health
Speaker 2: because when you look at every single thing besides a
Speaker 2: genetic problem that you're born with, right, and even that
Speaker 2: can be related to the mother's issues, right, or the
Speaker 2: father's issues. But every single thing that you can think
Speaker 2: about your health and your dog's health is can be
Speaker 2: completely brought down to a single thing, and that's organ health.
Speaker 2: You know, when our organs are working correctly, and organs
Speaker 2: being the gas to intestinal track, the lymphatic system delivered
Speaker 2: the kidneys, the lungs, the heart, the spleen. When our
Speaker 2: organs are working correctly, uh, we don't have ill health.
Speaker 2: Those symptoms aren't there. And so when you learn how
Speaker 2: to heal and support those organs in your dog, a
Speaker 2: lot of the symptoms that you're that's driving you and
Speaker 2: your dog crazy they disappear.
Speaker 1: Would you say that you're suggesting that the user of
Speaker 1: your book be educated enough to As an example, steroids
Speaker 1: are used a lot with dogs for all kinds of conditions.
Speaker 1: So if the doctor says we're gonna recommend steroids, and
Speaker 1: one of your readers who's been up to data on this, says, well,
Speaker 1: can I try something else? Is that what you would
Speaker 1: call a complimentary alternative to a steroid or to a
Speaker 1: powerful drug? Is that? Is that what you're hoping to do?
Speaker 1: Because I think what I'm getting from what you're telling
Speaker 1: us is this is like human beings, We get these
Speaker 1: powerful drugs that throw us way off equilibrium, and then
Speaker 1: we have to slowly come back with good foods, with exercise,
Speaker 1: with herbs, with vitamins and so forth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely would say that it would be complementary.
Speaker 2: You know, you definitely want to do the steroids if
Speaker 2: it's a life threatening illness, you know, like right of course,
Speaker 2: like pneumonia or something like that, or you your dog
Speaker 2: is sucking air and they can't breathe, you know, you
Speaker 2: definitely And I talk about steroids in the book, like
Speaker 2: you know, yes, you definitely want to take the steroids.
Speaker 2: But if it's steroids for you know, something simple or
Speaker 2: you know, my biggest issue is antibiotics. You know, antibiotics
Speaker 2: for just you know, bacteria between the paws, not life threatening,
Speaker 2: you know, for me, life threatened. Antibiotics should only be
Speaker 2: used when your dog's life is threatened because you know,
Speaker 2: eighty percent of your immune system is in your and
Speaker 2: including your dog, and dogs have very short gastrointestinal tracks.
Speaker 2: And when you take out the immune system, it dominoes
Speaker 2: to everything, like everything, and then your dog is more
Speaker 2: susceptible to fleas, they're more susceptible to tick born disease,
Speaker 2: They're more susceptible you know, to pathogenic overgrowth, yeast infections
Speaker 2: and these are ear infections. These are all things that
Speaker 2: really gravely affect quality of life for US guardian owners,
Speaker 2: right and our dogs.
Speaker 1: So in the book.
Speaker 2: I have a lot of lists in the Everything's Connected chapters,
Speaker 2: like how do you tell if your dog's kidneys are
Speaker 2: weak because or your dog's liver needs help, or the
Speaker 2: lymphatic system is stagnant. I'll tell you right now, almost
Speaker 2: every single dog out there, besides a working dog or
Speaker 2: like a dog doing agility on a weekly basis, is
Speaker 2: their lymphatics are stagnant and their liver needs support because
Speaker 2: of the amount of exercise. So the average American dog
Speaker 2: gets less than fifteen minutes of exercise a day. You know,
Speaker 2: people are busy. They come home from work and they
Speaker 2: walk their dog around the block, or they just let
Speaker 2: their dog out to go potty, leave them outside for
Speaker 2: a minute, and then they come back in, eat their dinner,
Speaker 2: chill out, let them out again, go to bed. Right.
Speaker 2: So we all need age appropriate exercise to move our
Speaker 2: lymphatic system. And a lot of people don't you know.
Speaker 2: At my events, I ask you know, I usually ask
Speaker 2: the question, does anyone know what the lymphatic system is?
Speaker 2: And usually the answer is no, or the answer is yes,
Speaker 2: but they don't know what it does. Yeah, and one
Speaker 2: and two dogs will dive of cancer. And that's one
Speaker 2: of the is that my next book is on cancer,
Speaker 2: and this book is like a you know, if you
Speaker 2: can improve organ health, cancers will go down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And.
Speaker 2: So when you really let that sink in, right, one
Speaker 2: in two dogs will die of cancer. In two thousand
Speaker 2: and three, dogs didn't have cancer, right, they hardly ever
Speaker 2: had cancer. And now it's one and two dogs. So
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two years later, dogs one and two will
Speaker 2: die And you think, okay, so we spend more money
Speaker 2: on veterinary care in the United States than almost any
Speaker 2: other country. Something's not working, you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 2: something isn't working. And I think it's definitely a combination
Speaker 2: of food over vaccination and the misuse of antibiotics and stress.
Speaker 2: You know, our stress is their stress, and we are
Speaker 2: as humans, we are stressed out mess right now.
Speaker 1: So are you saying that this cancer increases immune issue
Speaker 1: where they're being over medicated and the body is not
Speaker 1: being able to function in this normal state. Yes?
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Wow. So when you destroy the microbiome, things start
Speaker 2: coming out of the woodwork, and you know, it usually
Speaker 2: takes about three months, so you kind of forget about
Speaker 2: those antibiotics, right, And also a lot of people because
Speaker 2: you know people don't a lot of people don't eat
Speaker 2: real food anymore. They also don't feed their dog real food.
Speaker 2: One thing about my dogs growing up and my dogs
Speaker 2: in life, give or take a few years of stupidity
Speaker 2: or should I say ignorance, they eat real food. And
Speaker 2: dogs are being labeled as geriatric between eight and nine
Speaker 2: right now, and it should be between seventeen and eighteen
Speaker 2: in my opinion, Like, we need to get back there.
Speaker 2: It may take us another twenty years, right or thirty
Speaker 2: because it may take us another ten years to wake up,
Speaker 2: but we can get back there. We can turn it around.
Speaker 2: If it can happen, we can turn it around. And
Speaker 2: I think people need to understand that. You know, kibble
Speaker 2: is a convenience and even my you know, I am
Speaker 2: not a kibble shamer by no means, but like my
Speaker 2: book deals with you know, if you're feeding kibble, here's
Speaker 2: to how to improve the bowl. We need to improve
Speaker 2: the bowl. We need to Kibble has no enzymes, right,
Speaker 2: so a lot of people feed kibble diets with no enzymes,
Speaker 2: and we need to If you're feeding kibble, you need
Speaker 2: to feed enzymes. And the interesting thing is when you
Speaker 2: look at liver function, right, everyone should be looking at
Speaker 2: liver function. And when you look at liver function, it
Speaker 2: takes it takes close to ten to fourteen hours depending
Speaker 2: on the kibble to digest kibble for a dog and
Speaker 2: their gastro intestinal track again is short. So if you
Speaker 2: feed twice a day, that's all your dogs liver is
Speaker 2: working on is helping the gas to intestinal track with
Speaker 2: the gallbladder, the spleen and pancreas to digest that food.
Speaker 2: Whereas a fresh fruit diet lightly cooked or raw or
Speaker 2: freeze dried or dehydrated, you know it is going to
Speaker 2: take between four and six hours, so then you only
Speaker 2: have you have a lot less time. And then you
Speaker 2: know a lot of people overfeed their dogs as well,
Speaker 2: which is super hard on organ health. So I talk
Speaker 2: I talk about that in the in the in the
Speaker 2: food section of the book book, and you know, and
Speaker 2: then the book is a grab a go to.
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Speaker 1: I guess today is Rita Hogan. She is a holistic
Speaker 1: canine herbalist, and she is an expert with over twenty
Speaker 1: years of experience and helping dogs live their most fulfilling lives.
Speaker 1: I have to say this though, this is a huge part.
Speaker 1: You emphasize the fact that dogs are carnivores and that
Speaker 1: they pretty much in the natural state, eat raw animals, plants,
Speaker 1: and that's really their sweet spot is to live as
Speaker 1: naturally as possible. But talk a bit about because you know,
Speaker 1: I think one of the big issues here I don't
Speaker 1: have a dog anymore, my family members do, is there's
Speaker 1: a responsibility that the parent needs to be recognized, is
Speaker 1: that don't just feed your dog kibble. That's not the
Speaker 1: way to go because that's going to But talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about the average diet and the problems associated
Speaker 1: with just giving your dog kibbles. This is what my
Speaker 1: brother does is and his wife, they just give their
Speaker 1: dog kibbles four times a day and that's that's it.
Speaker 1: That's rough.
Speaker 2: Four times a day is even worse because you know,
Speaker 2: just think about that's all that dog is doing, and
Speaker 2: that's going to cause you know a lot of that
Speaker 2: because of for liver health. I mean, if you're going
Speaker 2: to give your dog kibble, right, Yeah, like I can
Speaker 2: talk about in the book, Like if you're going to
Speaker 2: give your dog kibble, you need to support the liver,
Speaker 2: you need to support the lymphatic system so that the
Speaker 2: body can deal with that kibble more efficiently. And you
Speaker 2: absolutely have to add digestive enzymes. And there's a kibble hierarchy, right,
Speaker 2: there's a kibble hierarchy. You want to give the best
Speaker 2: kibble that you can. On my Herbal Dog website, I
Speaker 2: have sourcing for you know, kind of the kibble hierarchy.
Speaker 2: Here's some good some good kibbles, and try to avoid,
Speaker 2: you know, try to avoid the rest. Basically, you know,
Speaker 2: you don't want to feed wheat, soy byproducts meat when
Speaker 2: it just says meat or animal fat. You know, there's
Speaker 2: so many things. There's rendered meal and a lot of kibbles,
Speaker 2: and you don't want to feed kibble that uses rendered meal.
Speaker 2: These are things that dogs and cats should not be eating.
Speaker 2: Cats are obligate carnivores, which means that they don't need
Speaker 2: anything else but protein. They should be eating only protein.
Speaker 2: Dogs can have some vegetation, they usually eat it from
Speaker 2: their praise guts. But you know we feed way too
Speaker 2: many carbs, which causes aging. And when people are working
Speaker 2: towards a better diet. You know, I think that baby
Speaker 2: steps are very good. Like one, you know, you start
Speaker 2: if you're on like a really poor kibble that has corn,
Speaker 2: soy those types of things in it. Not only are
Speaker 2: those ingredients bad for your dog, but they're completely saturated
Speaker 2: with pesticides, herbicides, glypeless ate like oats, if they're not organic,
Speaker 2: you're eating glypeless sate just you might as well be
Speaker 2: drinking it. So and that's really it's a really sad
Speaker 2: thing because that's one of the things that has happened
Speaker 2: over the last twenty years. Right our food system is
Speaker 2: saturated with chemicals that we know caused cancer, and so
Speaker 2: you know, we know that it's in our atmosphere, now
Speaker 2: it's in our brain water. So like we know that
Speaker 2: we have to clean this up and so, but we
Speaker 2: all have to clean up the bowl too. So you
Speaker 2: move to a better kibble, You add digestive enzymes, you
Speaker 2: get that done, then you aren't adding fresh food to
Speaker 2: the bowl. I have lists in the book of things
Speaker 2: that you can add to your dog's bowl to create
Speaker 2: a better microbiome. It has been scientifically proven and this
Speaker 2: is for humans and dogs that even one meal of
Speaker 2: fresh greens like sprouts, you know, organic kales, spinach, things
Speaker 2: like that, and you don't need a lot for our
Speaker 2: dog can improve the microbiome exponentially. You know, it's not
Speaker 2: going to stay that way, but it's still going to
Speaker 2: cause improvements. You just have to give a little bit
Speaker 2: a few times a week to keep those changes going.
Speaker 2: And that's fascinating, you know, And there's so much we
Speaker 2: can do without stressing ourselves out to improve the bowl.
Speaker 2: A lot of times people will think, oh, well, I'll
Speaker 2: just give white rice, right, Well, white rice has no
Speaker 2: fiber in it and it turns to sugar in the body.
Speaker 2: So you know, I feed my dog chicken and white rice.
Speaker 2: That's not a good diet. It's actually an inflammatory Dietriada.
Speaker 1: There's so many conflicts in what I'm hearing from you.
Speaker 1: I mean, because there's some people that say, don't give
Speaker 1: your dog table scraps, and one will say give a
Speaker 1: little table scraps, but don't give them a lot of
Speaker 1: something else. If you were to come up with an ideal,
Speaker 1: of course, there's no idea because every dog and cat
Speaker 1: and animal is different. But if you were to say
Speaker 1: generally how much kibble how much wet food do you
Speaker 1: mix in? Is there a standard that you can give
Speaker 1: or what would be a good suggestion for somebody who
Speaker 1: doesn't have a lot of time to cook like a
Speaker 1: meal for their dog, but wants to give an animal
Speaker 1: a good diet.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, we want to work towards balance that
Speaker 2: it's balanced, you know, nutritionally. But there's tons of commercial
Speaker 2: foods on the market that are balanced that you can
Speaker 2: use that you can work towards. But you know a
Speaker 2: lot of people get overwhelmed. Yeah, right, So I always
Speaker 2: suggest you know, baby steps, like doing one thing and
Speaker 2: then kind of you know, getting psychologically adjusted to that,
Speaker 2: and then you can add you can up your game
Speaker 2: and just keep up in your game to the point
Speaker 2: where you're giving a minimally processed diet as much as possible.
Speaker 2: And that could be a combination of things, right, it
Speaker 2: could be a combination. I know a lot of people
Speaker 2: that will feed kibble diet and then add some like
Speaker 2: raw food toppers or freeze dried toppers to it to
Speaker 2: add more nutrition, or greens, green powders. You know, greens
Speaker 2: are great for dog. But you know, really like if
Speaker 2: you are out there feeding kibble, one of the most
Speaker 2: important things that you can do is one improve your
Speaker 2: kibble to a minimally limited ingredient kibble that you can
Speaker 2: actually that you can actually read. Sorry about that, that
Speaker 2: you can actually read right, and then add digestive enzymes.
Speaker 2: That digestive enzymes are the most important thing when it
Speaker 2: comes to kibble. Yeah, and remember that you know, kibble
Speaker 2: is super dry, it's super drying, and and dryness is
Speaker 2: not good for the body. Dryness depletes kidneys, the kidney energy.
Speaker 2: It's really hard on the lymphatic system. It's going to
Speaker 2: take moisture out of your dog's body to process that kibble,
Speaker 2: right if and it makes dogs drink a ton of water,
Speaker 2: but sometimes it's not enough to process the kibble and
Speaker 2: it will find the moisture to do it. So that
Speaker 2: you know, it's one of the reasons why cats dive
Speaker 2: kidney disease. So yeah, so very susceptible to dryness. It's
Speaker 2: one of the reasons why they get hyperthyroid and they
Speaker 2: also get kidney disease, and because it dries out their kidneys.
Speaker 2: And so we have to be careful of that, and
Speaker 2: I explained that in the book very simply, and it
Speaker 2: doesn't need to be stressful. Right, And if anyone has
Speaker 2: ever made a cup of tea, right a lot of
Speaker 2: us have, then you have worked with herbs. You know,
Speaker 2: coffee is a plant herb, black tea, green tea. Plants
Speaker 2: and dogs are very conducive to water based medicines. I
Speaker 2: have a lot of them in my book. Where it's
Speaker 2: really as simple as simmering something on the stove or
Speaker 2: making a tea, letting it cool and putting it on
Speaker 2: your dog's food. So it's you know, it doesn't have
Speaker 2: to be complicated for sure.
Speaker 1: I want you to talk just real quickly about enzyme
Speaker 1: If you're the first person I've ever heard say, sprinkle
Speaker 1: enzymes on your animals dish on their foods. And is
Speaker 1: that because it's critical that the food is digested in
Speaker 1: a proper way or is there more to it than
Speaker 1: just digestion. Is it more wellness throughout the body that
Speaker 1: these enzymes are helping.
Speaker 2: So enzymes help the bodies systemically, but they help break
Speaker 2: down that food because kibble is completely dead food. There's
Speaker 2: no life to it at all, Right, it's a difference
Speaker 2: between eating like a really cooked like an apple for
Speaker 2: apple pie, which is completely soft and devoid of most
Speaker 2: things besides tastes, okay, and then a fresh apple off
Speaker 2: the tree, you're gonna get enzyme, you're gonna get nutrients.
Speaker 2: Dogs create some of their own enzymes through their pancreas
Speaker 2: and their stomach acid, and then they depend on a
Speaker 2: lot of it for their digestion through their food because
Speaker 2: also they don't have amylase in their mouth like we do.
Speaker 2: Like our food starts to break down as we have
Speaker 2: it in our mouth. They don't do that. It has
Speaker 2: to go into the stomach. And one of the things
Speaker 2: this goes with the everything is connected, right, A lot
Speaker 2: of dogs are stressed as well. If you're stressed, your
Speaker 2: dog is stressed. And stress is one of the biggest
Speaker 2: things that brings down enzymes in the gut. It affects
Speaker 2: negatively affects stomach acid. And when stomach acid isn't working
Speaker 2: like it should, we get undigested proteins in them all intestine.
Speaker 2: When you know, when the stomach does its job, you
Speaker 2: get this stuff called chime, and it has amino acids
Speaker 2: of protein. Right, and when they're not broken down into
Speaker 2: complete amino acids. What happens is is the immune system
Speaker 2: gets on alert and starts targeting ordinary things like chicken, turkey, broccoli,
Speaker 2: anything with any protein in it, even minute amounts of protein.
Speaker 2: It targeteds for termination, right elimination. And then you get
Speaker 2: a dog that can't eat hardly anything that's sensitive, itching, scratching, biting,
Speaker 2: licking cycle. You know, us dog has allergies. They don't,
Speaker 2: They have sensitivities. And that's a big job of the
Speaker 2: lymphatic system, the liver system, and the gas to intestriginal track.
Speaker 2: So I discussed you know, allergies and sensitivities in the
Speaker 2: book and itching, scratching, biting. Yeah, but a lot of
Speaker 2: it comes down to digestion.
Speaker 1: Wow, I love that. Uh. You have a section in
Speaker 1: your book that you call energetics, which I really love,
Speaker 1: and you use plant energetics, which is which you define
Speaker 1: as cool, warm, dry, moist, uh to define Why is
Speaker 1: that important in observing and how do you react to
Speaker 1: those those issues?
Speaker 2: Energetics are really important because there it's plant language. So uh,
Speaker 2: you know, warm plants warm the body, cool plants cool
Speaker 2: the body neutral plants. Any dog can have. But the
Speaker 2: sicker your dog is, the more sensitive they are going
Speaker 2: to be to the same energetic and dealing with warm
Speaker 2: and cool right now, So a cool dog. Dogs are
Speaker 2: born either warm or cool, and they have a spectrum
Speaker 2: of heat. So when your dog gets sicker, they get
Speaker 2: hotter on a warm dog, and a dog that's cool,
Speaker 2: they get colder.
Speaker 1: Let me just start for a minute, rita, how do
Speaker 1: you determine these types? Is there a type of animals
Speaker 1: so like a terrier or is it the breathe.
Speaker 2: Not specific, No, it is how they deal with heat,
Speaker 2: so you just observe them. There's lists in the book
Speaker 2: to help you figure that out, but it's really how
Speaker 2: they deal with heat. So a dog that's cool really
Speaker 2: loves to be covered up. He loves to be covered up.
Speaker 2: He loves to lay in the blankets. He might love
Speaker 2: a really warm like orthopedic bed that's made out of
Speaker 2: membrane foam, which is very heating. He might lay on
Speaker 2: a heating pad. He might lay in the sun until
Speaker 2: you forcefully take him out of it by even panting. Right,
Speaker 2: he'll lay by the fire and bake himself. A warm
Speaker 2: dog will lay by the fire, not gonna lay too long.
Speaker 2: You know, they're gonna get warm, and then they're gonna
Speaker 2: move away from that heat. Course, they're not gonna stay
Speaker 2: out in the sun for a long time. They'll maybe
Speaker 2: stay out for ten fifteen minutes and then go seek
Speaker 2: the shade. They might depending how hot they are, they
Speaker 2: might you know, get warm very easily. You want them
Speaker 2: to sleep on the bed, but they are gonna sleep
Speaker 2: on the cool floor. They may sleep on the bed
Speaker 2: for a little while. Everything is in a spectrum or
Speaker 2: a range. And I have like little diagrams on in
Speaker 2: my book to kind of give you a visual of that.
Speaker 2: But you know, if you have a dog that, like,
Speaker 2: let's say a warm dog that gets arthritis, they're not
Speaker 2: gonna be a healthy warm They're gonna be more on
Speaker 2: the hot side, okay. And if you give that dog,
Speaker 2: let's just say, a mixture of turmeric and green lip muscle,
Speaker 2: which turmeric is very warming and green lip muscle is
Speaker 2: a protein, and it's very okay. You give them that
Speaker 2: supplement every day for a long time, it is going
Speaker 2: to build heat. And then if you say that you
Speaker 2: fed them a lamb food or lamb in venison, right,
Speaker 2: that's a very hot food. And so you are putting
Speaker 2: all of this heat into an already really warm dog,
Speaker 2: and then that's where you start getting issues. And like
Speaker 2: I said, I've been doing this for twenty years.
Speaker 1: I know I can just tell you. It's like you
Speaker 1: got to go with the flow. But the huge thing
Speaker 1: about it, read it is that you need to be
Speaker 1: constantly observing your animal, right.
Speaker 2: Well not constantly, but at least a few times a week,
Speaker 2: and you know, and the dry and the damp. This
Speaker 2: is a just a visual like a little story recently
Speaker 2: on my on my California like California, Oregon, Washington book tour.
Speaker 2: Part's gone for about six weeks. And I came home
Speaker 2: to my bass At Hound and she hasn't been my
Speaker 2: dog very long. She's elderly, she's like fifteen. And she
Speaker 2: came with a lot of lypomas. Those are fatty tumors, right,
Speaker 2: They're benign and you can get your hand around them,
Speaker 2: and they're just lumps and bumps. And I came into
Speaker 2: the house and I noticed how much bigger they were.
Speaker 2: They were a lot larger, and I thought, what is happening?
Speaker 2: And so I asked my brother, who was taking care
Speaker 2: of them. I said, you know, what's going on with Lola.
Speaker 2: Her fatty tumors are a lot bigger. And I've only
Speaker 2: been gone six weeks. What's going on? I don't know.
Speaker 2: And I said, well, what have you been feeding her?
Speaker 2: And he said, I've been feeding her pork. And I said,
Speaker 2: you can't do that because pork is dampening. Okay, it
Speaker 2: adds a lot of moisture to the body. You know.
Speaker 2: If you look at pork, it has a lot of
Speaker 2: fat on it, you know. So he was giving her
Speaker 2: pork and lipomas. A dog with lipomas is what you
Speaker 2: would call a damp dog, Okay, they have too much
Speaker 2: damp in the body. And I explained what damp is
Speaker 2: in the book, and this is more advanced, right, this
Speaker 2: is more advanced when you go down the rabbit hole
Speaker 2: with your dog. But you give a damp dog damp food, right.
Speaker 2: It made the lipomas bigger. So what I did is
Speaker 2: I went home and I switched her diet to a
Speaker 2: drying food boat. I switched her diet to goat and
Speaker 2: some drying herbs and drying vegetables, and the lipomas got
Speaker 2: smaller over the next three weeks. And that again a
Speaker 2: little more advanced. But you can see how much diet
Speaker 2: affects the body and when you and it's just a
Speaker 2: it's a language of opposites. So in a dog that
Speaker 2: is damp and you say, well, how do you tell
Speaker 2: if your dog's damp? I have lists like if your
Speaker 2: dog has hypothyroid, they're damp. If your dog gets hotspots,
Speaker 2: they're damp. If your dog has lepepomas, they're damp. And
Speaker 2: here's you know, ten other symptoms of dampness. Right, this
Speaker 2: is how you tell it your damp.
Speaker 1: And this is the beauty of your book too, because
Speaker 1: if you go to the vet and the vet says
Speaker 1: your dog has this issue, you can look it up
Speaker 1: right so that you know where you're at and then
Speaker 1: address it.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, now. And so sometimes you can unknowingly negatively
Speaker 2: affect your dog's ecosystem by just things that we think
Speaker 2: are fine, like you know you're feeding a hot dog, lamb.
Speaker 2: Things are gonna eventually get worse because what do we
Speaker 2: do as humans. We tend to feed the same thing
Speaker 2: day in and day out. We're not giving a lot
Speaker 2: of variety, yes you know, and so it makes the
Speaker 2: energetics of the food, which I have, the energetics of
Speaker 2: almost anything you can think about in the back of
Speaker 2: the book, like what they are. The energetics of the
Speaker 2: food needs to be the opposite of what your dog
Speaker 2: is for consistency, because energetics is only about consistency. It's
Speaker 2: not about the pup cup at the Starbuck, or the
Speaker 2: treat at the bank, or grom bringing over some special
Speaker 2: treats for your dog. That's not consistent. I'm talking to stuff,
Speaker 2: the food, supplements and herbs that we give day in
Speaker 2: and day out.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a short commercial break to allow our
Speaker 1: answers to identify themselves and will return shortly with my
Speaker 1: guest today, Rita Hogan discussing her latest book, The Herbal Dog.
Speaker 1: Will rejoin you shortly. My guess today is Red Hogan.
Speaker 1: She has written a new book called The Herbal Dog.
Speaker 1: This is an excellent primer on how to supplement your
Speaker 1: dog's food to give them the best quality life possible.
Speaker 1: It's also great for animals who have illnesses. One of
Speaker 1: the things that you emphasize throughout the book is animals'
Speaker 1: emotional health. And I want you to talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about how our animals mirror our emotional health. And
Speaker 1: so if we're having if we're depressed constantly, we're having
Speaker 1: a hard time. The animals gonda emulate that a little bit.
Speaker 1: Talk about the emotional health.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So you know, there's this great research institute called
Speaker 2: the heart math Institute. I think it's heartmath dot com.
Speaker 2: And you know, they have proven that our electro magnetic
Speaker 2: field of our heart system goes out between six and
Speaker 2: eight feet. And you know, our dogs are usually near
Speaker 2: us all the time, and our dogs, you know, are
Speaker 2: interacting with us. And a lot of times we think
Speaker 2: that we speak dog's language, right, but our dogs don't
Speaker 2: speak to us the way that we speak to them.
Speaker 2: They interact with us through smell. They are constantly smelling us,
Speaker 2: smelling what's going on in their environment. You know, they
Speaker 2: can smell down the street, right, So when we're stressed,
Speaker 2: we smell like cortisol and adrenaline. And the unfortunate part
Speaker 2: is that we are very stressed out human beings right now.
Speaker 2: We live a very stressed stressed lifestyle. Electronics, social media,
Speaker 2: Wi Fi, our cell phones, they all create stress. Even
Speaker 2: the act of scrolling in social media puts us in
Speaker 2: a low level of fight or fly, right, that's been
Speaker 2: scientifically proven that crazy. So you know when we are
Speaker 2: when we smell unsafe, our dogs feel unsafe, so they
Speaker 2: really do mirror our emotions. And I talk about the
Speaker 2: vagus nerve in my book, I talk about the nervous
Speaker 2: system and how important it is. And on page one
Speaker 2: thirty seven of my book, I tell you how to
Speaker 2: heal chronic conditions. And the number one thing before you
Speaker 2: ever deal with what is actually happening is you need
Speaker 2: to stabilize your dog's nervous system. And I tell you
Speaker 2: how to do that. But because of the fact that
Speaker 2: when we're in fight or flight, even a low level
Speaker 2: fight or flight, our liver is offline, our kidneys are
Speaker 2: working at minimal capacity, are gas testinal tracks, they're not digesting.
Speaker 2: You shouldn't eat when you're stressed. That's when you get
Speaker 2: major amounts of stomach upset. And when we're in fight
Speaker 2: or flight, we can't heal. We have to be in
Speaker 2: what's called parasympathetic activity, and that is our rest and
Speaker 2: relaxation digestion state, and our dogs have that same regulatory system.
Speaker 2: It's actually quite beautiful, but a lot of dogs get
Speaker 2: stuck in what's called sympathetic excess, and that is being
Speaker 2: in fight or flight all the time. Not only is
Speaker 2: their ball under the couch and no one cares, right,
Speaker 2: but they're also dealing with all of your baggage. And
Speaker 2: so you know, thousands of people say, rita, what is
Speaker 2: the best thing that I could give my dog to
Speaker 2: help them live longer? And I will tell you right now,
Speaker 2: it is not an herb oh. It is to get
Speaker 2: your stress in hand, figure out how to breed, figure out,
Speaker 2: get more exercise, calm yourself down. You know, if you
Speaker 2: have an emotional support dog or support dog, that dog
Speaker 2: needs support really badly because they're taking everything in and
Speaker 2: dogs are really good at that, but at a cost
Speaker 2: because again, when our when we're stressed and our dogs
Speaker 2: are stressed, you cannot heal your body. You can't even
Speaker 2: hardly digest your food. And a lot of times when
Speaker 2: I get a dog that I'm helping, you know, I
Speaker 2: help a lot of vets with like hard cases. When
Speaker 2: I get a dog, I look at their stress level
Speaker 2: and a lot of times I'll deal with that and
Speaker 2: like their reactivity goes away, they're cooping in the house
Speaker 2: goes away. The dogs it's peeing everywhere. You know, they
Speaker 2: can't say hi to someone without peeing on themselves in
Speaker 2: certain types of incontinence. It's all from stress. And also
Speaker 2: like dogs with nutritional deficiency that are on really good diets,
Speaker 2: it's because they're not assimilating their food because they're eating
Speaker 2: when they're stressed. And so I talk a lot about
Speaker 2: stress in my book and stress as a mirror to
Speaker 2: what is going on in our lives. And it just
Speaker 2: can't be it can't be underestimated it or over emphasized.
Speaker 2: You know, we all know that we need to take
Speaker 2: more time for ourselves. We need to do self care.
Speaker 2: You need to you know, it's a cliche, but you
Speaker 2: need to put your oxygen mask on before you can
Speaker 2: help anyone else. And it's you know, and a lot
Speaker 2: of people won't do something for themselves, they'll do it
Speaker 2: for their dogs.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Also this comes from love. Get off the phone when
Speaker 2: you're with your dog. They know that you're not present, ye, right,
Speaker 2: And most people who are on their phone are in
Speaker 2: a level a low level of fight or flight, right.
Speaker 2: And dogs dogs want to be safe. We all want
Speaker 2: to be safe, right. Safety is one of those things
Speaker 2: that we need as a human species, and safety is
Speaker 2: also sought as a dog, a cat, or other, you know, creatures,
Speaker 2: and we don't smell safe to our animals. You know,
Speaker 2: make when you walk your dog, make it your your
Speaker 2: self care time. You know, bond with your dog, interact
Speaker 2: with your dog, get out, leave the phone at home,
Speaker 2: put it in your pocket, put it in your bag,
Speaker 2: do whatever you you know, lock it in your car.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but being available twenty four to seven
Speaker 2: is stressful.
Speaker 1: It's amazing. The books called the Herbal Dog Holistic Canine Herbalism. Uh,
Speaker 1: my guest today has been Rita Hogan, Rita. You have
Speaker 1: a portion of the book and you call it herb Protocols,
Speaker 1: and you say, every protocol is a success. What does
Speaker 1: that mean?
Speaker 2: Well, what it means is if you try a protocol
Speaker 2: and it doesn't work, right, Yeah, you can look at
Speaker 2: the herbs in that protocol, go to the back of
Speaker 2: the book, and it's very easy to figure out herbs
Speaker 2: using my system in the book. Go in the back
Speaker 2: of the book, look at those herbs, look at the
Speaker 2: everything's connected chapters, and you'll figure out, Okay, these herbs
Speaker 2: didn't work because and when you find out the herbs
Speaker 2: that don't work for your dog, you can write them
Speaker 2: down and then try to use probably the it's probably
Speaker 2: going to be the opposite of those herbs. You know,
Speaker 2: if you're just picking herbs out of the sky, you know,
Speaker 2: you got a fifty to fifty chance that they'll work. Right.
Speaker 2: And I don't like the kitchen sink dogs either, So
Speaker 2: we're not going to give like fifty teen herbs. We're
Speaker 2: going to give like three or six herbs or maybe
Speaker 2: one formula, and we give it for you know, six
Speaker 2: to twelve weeks. And if we don't like, if you
Speaker 2: don't have success in six to twelve weeks, if you're
Speaker 2: not moving in the right direction, then either the dosage
Speaker 2: is wrong or the herbs are wrong. So I think
Speaker 2: you can utilize that information no matter what. I'm not
Speaker 2: suggesting herbs in my book that are highly toxic that
Speaker 2: are going to harm your dog. The signs that things
Speaker 2: aren't working are pretty simple when it comes to dogs.
Speaker 2: And this is after three days because it takes three
Speaker 2: days for things to kind of settle in the body.
Speaker 2: But itching, scratching, fighting, diarrhea, constipation, vomiting, those are not
Speaker 2: like horrible vomiting, just you know, easy vomiting. It's easy
Speaker 2: for dogs to vomit it's not like not like us.
Speaker 2: They just puke very easily. And you know, those are
Speaker 2: those are the things that you look for when a
Speaker 2: uh an herb isn't working, or if you know you
Speaker 2: can always give too much herbs and idea. I have
Speaker 2: this section called Expectations and Healing in the book, So
Speaker 2: I think expectations are really important in patients, like this
Speaker 2: is what you look for. But if like you're on
Speaker 2: an herbal program and you up the dose and your
Speaker 2: dog's hair starts to thin and they might be start
Speaker 2: to shed considerably in one area, then you probably have
Speaker 2: too high of a dosage.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, I explain all those things like when to
Speaker 2: stop an herb, when to start an herb, how to
Speaker 2: know if an herb is working, how much do you give?
Speaker 2: I take the guesswork out of that. What type of
Speaker 2: herb do you give? What form you know? Do you
Speaker 2: give a powder, a glissert, a tincture? You know? All
Speaker 2: of those questions are answered in the book.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I have to say this, it's a wonderful
Speaker 1: reference because if you're just beginning, you can read the
Speaker 1: effects of each herb and add it lightly as a
Speaker 1: supplement and then watch it. One of the other things
Speaker 1: I want you to talk about real quickly as we're
Speaker 1: concluding our time together read it is the fact that
Speaker 1: when you use a drug, which is the allopathic method,
Speaker 1: you're going to have an immediate effect pretty much, and
Speaker 1: where you have herbs, it's more of a slow unveiling
Speaker 1: and you have to take it takes more time. And
Speaker 1: I think the big key you're saying is with herbs,
Speaker 1: patience is very important. Talk about yeah for a minute.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it definitely is you You need to have patients.
Speaker 2: These are not pharmaceuticals. They don't work like pharmaceuticals. They
Speaker 2: slow and steady wins the race. However, in the back
Speaker 2: of the book, like the herbal resumes, I like to
Speaker 2: call them the herbal resumes, they have this list of
Speaker 2: cofactors and that's the symptoms that your dog. Symptoms are
Speaker 2: conditions that your dog has or has had. And the
Speaker 2: more matches in that list of cofactors that your dog has,
Speaker 2: the better that herb is gonna work. So you know,
Speaker 2: you first checked the energetics of the herb. Is it warming,
Speaker 2: is it cooling, is it neutral? You know, and if
Speaker 2: your dog is cool and the herb is warm. That's
Speaker 2: a match. So you know that you can look at
Speaker 2: that herb. So if you had a cool dog and
Speaker 2: you were looking for something for yeast in the gut
Speaker 2: and you looked up alive leaf in the back of
Speaker 2: the book, it's going to say that that that herb
Speaker 2: is warming, your dog is cooling. Your dog is cool,
Speaker 2: and that herb is warm. So that's a match. So
Speaker 2: you say, yeah, I can use olive leaf with my
Speaker 2: And then you look at the cofactors and you have
Speaker 2: eleven symptoms or conditions that kind of apply to your dog.
Speaker 2: That's going to be a pretty good herb for your dog, right,
Speaker 2: But if you are looking at another warming herb and
Speaker 2: your dog only has one match on that cofactor list,
Speaker 2: I'd probably look for a different herb because there's so
Speaker 2: many and I also include pharmaceutical interactions. Yeah, and if
Speaker 2: that herb can be used for cats.
Speaker 1: Amazing, What a fascinating book I just started. I got
Speaker 1: to chapter six. I was like, oh my god, did
Speaker 1: you do an audible version of the book? Iriata?
Speaker 2: Yes, it is coming out. I do not know, probably
Speaker 2: in the next few three monks.
Speaker 1: Fantastic. That must have been a bit of a labor
Speaker 1: to do that.
Speaker 2: While yes, I read it myself.
Speaker 1: All those diary how do you read a diagram that's
Speaker 1: pretty tough.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you have to go U extra small dog,
Speaker 2: two drops, medium dog, four drops, after dog six drops.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, the engineer and I had to go to a
Speaker 2: studio and it took an entire week to read this book.
Speaker 2: And again it was something and I'm sure I'll have
Speaker 2: to go back and make some changes, you know. They
Speaker 2: then it goes to it like a audio editor, the
Speaker 2: engineer and then someone who listens to me talk and
Speaker 2: then reads the book at the same time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't have enough time to cover the whole book.
Speaker 1: Rita has a section on essential oils using homeopathy and
Speaker 1: again the herb Protocols, which are fantastic. It's very very
Speaker 1: well written. I believe. Really it's for the beginner, or
Speaker 1: I call them the advanced observer, someone who really knows
Speaker 1: their animal very very well, which is excellent. So again,
Speaker 1: the books called The Herbal Dog just came out and
Speaker 1: it's a fantastic book. And and I would imagine the
Speaker 1: audible version has references to your website so they can
Speaker 1: see the charts and diagrams.
Speaker 2: Right, yes, And in the book it says you know,
Speaker 2: seetherbaldog dot com for more information like where to get herbs,
Speaker 2: where to source herbs in all different countries. My book
Speaker 2: is available in Australia and England and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: And you know, if people want to connect with me,
Speaker 2: I have a podcast of my own called Dogs or
Speaker 2: Individuals that's every week. I have I'm on Facebook and
Speaker 2: Instagram as canine Herbalist, and I have a teaching platform
Speaker 2: where I have courses and I have a like an
Speaker 2: advisory subscription group where I answer questions for a couple
Speaker 2: hours a day, every day, every day, Monday through Friday.
Speaker 2: That's like twenty five dollars a month. And you can
Speaker 2: ask me anything even about human medicine because we work
Speaker 2: with humans. And I have some courses on there. It's
Speaker 2: canine Erbalism dot com. And then I have a store
Speaker 2: and consultancy at canine erbalist dot com.
Speaker 1: What's the website. What's the main website.
Speaker 2: Again, canine Herbalist or canine Erbalism.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, you have both of them. Let me just
Speaker 1: ask you read it. Some of you might be listening
Speaker 1: that may have a real serious problem with their dog.
Speaker 1: Do you do consultations as someone who's really got some problems?
Speaker 2: I do, And I also work with a network of
Speaker 2: students that have been working with me for five years,
Speaker 2: like every single week, so and I have some great
Speaker 2: holistic that's that I refer out to if it's more
Speaker 2: complicated than something that we can handle, you know, because
Speaker 2: we don't. We don't treat disease, but we help balance
Speaker 2: out those organ systems.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fantastic, wonderful cover. By the way, The Herbal Dog
Speaker 1: just came out and it's available on Amazon or wherever
Speaker 1: you get your books. Rita, thank you and much success
Speaker 1: on this wonderful book.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. I appreciate the conversation.
Speaker 1: You know, as I was reading this book, I was like,
Speaker 1: this is way way too much. And then that was
Speaker 1: the beginning and then you go to the back where
Speaker 1: the references is and she really makes it easy and
Speaker 1: simple to apply. You can start with real basic herbs
Speaker 1: like making tinctures, or you can make tea, like just
Speaker 1: boil some water and put a tea back in and
Speaker 1: then pour that over the food. And it's much easier
Speaker 1: than I had thought. And that's the real thing is
Speaker 1: people just don't have time. And that was a little
Speaker 1: bit of a worry for me when I was reading this,
Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, my god, this is gonna be
Speaker 1: too much. But the book's very easy to read. It's
Speaker 1: very simple, it's not that complex. And the beauty of
Speaker 1: it is she lists the various health issues and I'll
Speaker 1: tell you it's so easy just to defer to your vet.
Speaker 1: You know, my dog's vomiting, my dog's got a skin issue,
Speaker 1: my dog's got something going on with his eye discharge something.
Speaker 1: You know, so many things happen with your animals. And
Speaker 1: with this supplemental tool, this herb book, you can do
Speaker 1: a lot to really enhance the treatments that your vet
Speaker 1: is suggesting. In fact, in some cases you get so
Speaker 1: good that you can defer. Rather than saying, hey, we
Speaker 1: want to the vet wants to give your dog a
Speaker 1: vaccine or steroids or something else. You can really look
Speaker 1: at the possibilities of working and being very much in
Speaker 1: part with your dog's treatment programs. And that's really critical
Speaker 1: because these drugs are very toxic. I mean, I've seen
Speaker 1: more animals fade because they've been giving these powerful drugs,
Speaker 1: and it's the same kind of thought form that I
Speaker 1: always talk about the allopathic approach of drugs, drugs, drugs,
Speaker 1: and then God help you. If you have a dog
Speaker 1: that has cancer, then it's like just it's dire because
Speaker 1: you can be charged thousands of dollars for a treatment
Speaker 1: program and then dog lives a few a few extra
Speaker 1: weeks or months. And I think that you can avoid
Speaker 1: some of this issue if you take on supplementee your
Speaker 1: animal's health with with herbal remedies. So check it out.
Speaker 1: I think you might like it. And hey, go to
Speaker 1: her website too. And by the way, if you're one
Speaker 1: like me and you're not big on reading, check out
Speaker 1: her audible. I love audible. Audible is fantastic. So the
Speaker 1: herbal dog holistic canine herbalism read a Hogan. I love
Speaker 1: that we're gonna have her back when she finishes her
Speaker 1: dog cancer book, because that's an industry on its own.
Speaker 1: It's really a tough industry. When you get that prognosis
Speaker 1: from your vet, that's just sad. It makes people depressed.
Speaker 1: So somebody can we'll have her back for We'll have
Speaker 1: read her back for that material. Okay, that's it for
Speaker 1: this episode of Destiny. I want to think. My guest today,
Speaker 1: Rida Hogan in her new book The Herbal Dog. As always,
Speaker 1: the team of Gail tor Mark Foster and everyone who
Speaker 1: makes this thing happen. You guys rock all right, Take
Speaker 1: care of you well, and we will talk to you
Speaker 1: next time.
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