Speaker 1: Hello everybody, Welcome back to the fire Escape Cast. It
Speaker 1: is Monday, November seventeen. It is fifty two degrees in
Speaker 1: Cloudy and Tacoma, Washington. Thank you for coming back. It's
Speaker 1: good to see you. Dan.
Speaker 2: Hi, you're back. I'm back. Yeah, yeah, it was gone
Speaker 2: the last time.
Speaker 1: Chris, Chris Plant nobly set in to fill your steed.
Speaker 2: If I'm going, you can only bring people from Kansas City.
Speaker 2: That's the rule. So thank you for Chris.
Speaker 1: Yes, how was a contract? He's good? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, good Manue.
Speaker 1: I like that. But people liked him. Sure.
Speaker 2: I saw him at your wedding, Mike.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. I love the dude. Mary. You were here,
Speaker 1: I was here.
Speaker 3: Me and Chris get along so well, like peas and carrots.
Speaker 3: I didn't even think about it.
Speaker 4: I was happy. It was bliss. We enjoyed ourselves.
Speaker 3: But we're back, and it's really nice to have the
Speaker 3: three of us together again.
Speaker 1: Discovered that none of the games I like this year
Speaker 1: are cool, and all the games that are truly cool
Speaker 1: I've never heard of on Steam because they have like
Speaker 1: twelve reviews. That's what I learned from Plant.
Speaker 2: Wait, wait, okay, give me give me three games.
Speaker 1: The Plant loved couldn't have even couldn't tell you half
Speaker 1: a way called oh no no, I got one q
Speaker 1: up Oh.
Speaker 2: Jan was playing that today. I think Jan's into that.
Speaker 2: I don't really know what it is, but there's a
Speaker 2: certain thing that's a jam game. Is there gambling in it?
Speaker 1: It's a it's supposedly the only fair. It's about an
Speaker 1: esport esport players, I believe, and the sport is just
Speaker 1: coin tosses. So it's like, Okay, that's a jam fair.
Speaker 1: That's a jam game. Yeah, I think its.
Speaker 4: Into something that's more than that.
Speaker 3: I think he likes Baby Steps, which was.
Speaker 1: An interesting like baby Steps.
Speaker 3: It's an interesting difference between us. But I think he
Speaker 3: was like, I live to suffer and love the challenge
Speaker 3: and got really into the consistency of it.
Speaker 1: No Plant was saying, Plant is playing it the opposite
Speaker 1: of how Grub was playing it. Plant was playing it
Speaker 1: like anytime they gave him a shortcut, He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll use it. Like he was saying, how that game
Speaker 1: is just about how we don't accept help when it's
Speaker 1: thrown at our face, often to make things more challenging
Speaker 1: for us. It's it's Chris Plant he's always got you know,
Speaker 1: he's got he's got interesting, insightful takes on stuff. That
Speaker 1: was what he was saying.
Speaker 2: I like it when things are easier. Yeah yeah, I
Speaker 2: like shortcuts and spic Yeah yeah, Like being a coward
Speaker 2: is underrated, like.
Speaker 1: Like right, like you just safer if you're a coward.
Speaker 2: Right like after Night eleven, my grandma said she would, like,
Speaker 2: you know, send me to Canada if they tried to
Speaker 2: draft me. And it was like that sounds fucking great.
Speaker 1: Oh you're a draft dog.
Speaker 2: I would have been I would have been a draft dodger.
Speaker 3: This only adds to my assumption that you would make
Speaker 3: such a spectacular politician, not because you know what you're doing,
Speaker 3: but because you ride the wave of charisma and you know,
Speaker 3: just ego and maybe just I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know anything about that, so it's not my problem.
Speaker 2: I would do it in like a nice way now,
Speaker 2: like a you know, malevolent way. Yeah yeah, like I'd
Speaker 2: kind of.
Speaker 3: Like ignorance surfer. You know, you're just like I didn't
Speaker 3: know about that travesty.
Speaker 2: I'm just here to have fun.
Speaker 1: The video game industry.
Speaker 2: What's that?
Speaker 1: I said? You're the eb Farnum of the games industry.
Speaker 2: Oh, never mind, I take back the coward thing. I'm
Speaker 2: a tough, brave man.
Speaker 3: You don't know that I do.
Speaker 1: Just cowards underrated.
Speaker 2: I wasn't talking about myself. I just think if cowards
Speaker 2: want to do that, that's fine.
Speaker 1: Okay. I don't know, Dan, Are you secretly being really
Speaker 1: brave and tough at night when we're not around, Well
Speaker 1: we're never around, but you get what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I'm just going to patrol in the streets,
Speaker 2: you know, just making sure everyone's you know, in line.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, let me get you.
Speaker 3: Like a scenario like you're in a mall and somebody
Speaker 3: in the mall is brandishing.
Speaker 4: A knife and they're being threatening. Do you approach?
Speaker 2: Why do you rat call the cops?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're a coward?
Speaker 2: How about this? So Mike, let me here's the genetics effect.
Speaker 3: What would you do, Mary, I would I would pull
Speaker 3: his pants down, all.
Speaker 1: Right, that's okay. That's a better option than trying to,
Speaker 1: like knife.
Speaker 3: Because instinctively he's gonna try and pull him back up.
Speaker 1: And that's when you need him in the face.
Speaker 3: That's when you chop them. Yeah, you do something?
Speaker 1: What is it? Eyes? Ears, foot, face. I don't know, Dan,
Speaker 1: what was the scenario you were, well, eyeballs.
Speaker 2: I've never been in a fight. My dad has not either,
Speaker 2: but he said there was one time he was like
Speaker 2: going to the bar decade.
Speaker 1: It's a crazy eighties the record.
Speaker 2: What that I've never been a fight on both.
Speaker 1: Of your accounts that your dad hasn't either, it's crazy
Speaker 1: to me some official verbal Sorry, let me clarify. I'm
Speaker 1: surprised you're has your Wait, he's never been in a fight.
Speaker 1: Has he ever been punched?
Speaker 2: Not to my knowledge? No, okay, no, okay. I almost
Speaker 2: like one of the last times I went home for
Speaker 2: Christmas and we were drunk and he tried to light
Speaker 2: my beard on fire and I almost punched him in
Speaker 2: the face. So I probably almost come the closest to
Speaker 2: punching him in the face. But he was at a
Speaker 2: bar once in like the eighties or nineties, and he
Speaker 2: overheard some like biker guys like, hey, let's fuck this
Speaker 2: place up, let's cause some trouble. My dad got really scared,
Speaker 2: and so he grabbed a pool ball and he dove
Speaker 2: under the pool table and just brandished the pool ball.
Speaker 2: So that was the closest he's been to be in
Speaker 2: a fight.
Speaker 1: As well as he's been to a fight, is hiding
Speaker 1: under the pool table.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Meanwhile, my grandpa, his dad was a combat medic
Speaker 2: in Korea and had to pull the dead bodies off
Speaker 2: the field and he got a bronze star for valor
Speaker 2: in combat.
Speaker 1: So prentitively, Yeah, that's not far right, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: not far from the tree at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mary, I.
Speaker 1: Want to go back to the knife thing. You pull
Speaker 1: his pants down, But what if he's coming at you,
Speaker 1: you never printing at you holding a knife saying I'm
Speaker 1: about to stab you calmly, so you know he means business.
Speaker 1: They say it like normal tone. They've been playing this.
Speaker 3: I am a dirty fighter, meaning I don't play by
Speaker 3: the rules and I don't know anyone shit. The winner
Speaker 3: is the winner, period, And so like, is there sand.
Speaker 4: That I can throw?
Speaker 1: Is there?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: Can I.
Speaker 1: Them into move.
Speaker 4: Something in front of us?
Speaker 3: My goal isn't to like, yeah, do this equally, it's
Speaker 3: to just ruin him with objects. So I would be
Speaker 3: looking for something that I could throw at him from
Speaker 3: a distance while like maintaining space. I would love to
Speaker 3: tell you that I would like lurch forward and go
Speaker 3: after him. But when somebody has a knife, I have
Speaker 3: to create distance and probably hurl shit at them until
Speaker 3: they're distracted, and then ideally once they're distracted, pantsome and
Speaker 3: then and then they are super distracted, and that's when
Speaker 3: you make your move. And that would either be like
Speaker 3: an elbow or probably some kind of growing or eyeball situation.
Speaker 3: Growing and eyeballs are really just like the great equalizer.
Speaker 1: You take out.
Speaker 2: Those are the two I would go to. But I
Speaker 2: was in a fight. I think he wants to.
Speaker 4: Fight without their ball.
Speaker 2: Do you want to know, oh the throat thing?
Speaker 5: Yeah, we.
Speaker 3: Are assuming that the knife brander is the boy, which
Speaker 3: I find really a fun form of misogyny.
Speaker 1: You I thought IM a doctor. It's him before we
Speaker 1: have a part.
Speaker 3: Of the problem.
Speaker 4: I do assume mostly.
Speaker 2: The ernest question here. I am not a doctor or
Speaker 2: a woman, so I don't know the answer to.
Speaker 1: We know this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you if you were running I was going
Speaker 2: to get to the vagina. If you were running at
Speaker 2: someone brandishing a knife and someone kicked you directly in
Speaker 2: the vagina, yeah, what would that would that be? Like
Speaker 2: kicking you in the thigh? Or is there more going
Speaker 2: on there.
Speaker 4: Is it the knife brander or somebody else?
Speaker 1: There's a third I think is doesn't matter what he's asking,
Speaker 1: does it get what? Does it hurt to get kicked?
Speaker 1: Let's right?
Speaker 4: Okay, so.
Speaker 3: A cooter booter is still pretty intense and does not
Speaker 3: feel good. I don't think that it will result in
Speaker 3: you puking, so.
Speaker 2: It's not debilitating in the way nuts are.
Speaker 4: I think it would be.
Speaker 3: I would imagine it's probably like getting kicked in your
Speaker 3: knee where you'd be like.
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, that's nothing.
Speaker 4: You wouldn't it would feel bad.
Speaker 3: But like the balls, I think is like a removal
Speaker 3: of like you're conscious, like you have to like sit down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, balls will just stop you and you're it
Speaker 2: is a flashing boss weak point in a Resident Evil game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been punched in the boob before and it hurts.
Speaker 2: Now would that would that be different than because guys
Speaker 2: have nipples?
Speaker 1: So is there a difference there?
Speaker 3: Yes, because there's like there's there's like a whole bunch
Speaker 3: of different stuff before not only we have boobs and
Speaker 3: the boobs are tender.
Speaker 2: There there's not like extra organs in there that are
Speaker 2: sensitive that we don't have a we.
Speaker 4: Have a second heart.
Speaker 3: No, but they're like because it just more flesh sensitive tissue.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, yeah, all right, so you have little testicles
Speaker 2: inside your boobs or anything.
Speaker 1: No, but I feel like boobs would be more like
Speaker 1: the pain would be commensurate would getting kicked on your
Speaker 1: butt cheek or is it now? It's probably more sensitive,
Speaker 1: isn't it.
Speaker 2: But it's not that bad to get kicked in.
Speaker 3: They're like probably the best place to get kicked in.
Speaker 3: You got all that cushion for the pushing. I don't
Speaker 3: even notice it. If I were to get punched anywhere
Speaker 3: on my body, I would probably say ass, And then
Speaker 3: if I was like my least favorite place, it would
Speaker 3: probably be my face. But boobs would be up there.
Speaker 2: That's miserable, I guess I would say like thigh ass
Speaker 2: and like shoulder or like you know, kind of like bicep.
Speaker 2: Like those are all punches that are that's gonna be fine.
Speaker 2: You're gonna get a's gonna be fine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I think you weld on Dan
Speaker 1: a couple of summers ago on his arm, did I
Speaker 1: they're in the pack?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did punch you. I was like when Dan
Speaker 3: was like, I've never been in a fight. I was like, man,
Speaker 3: what was the last time I had a fight. It
Speaker 3: was probably like two tuesdays ago. Oh, always scrapping with somebody.
Speaker 2: Mary. I wonder you against my sister. I wonder how
Speaker 2: that would go.
Speaker 3: Your sister seems pretty vicious. I probably would. I probably
Speaker 3: would brandish a cheat, meaning like pocket sand, you know,
Speaker 3: some kind of you know, piece of wood.
Speaker 4: I would I would have to use.
Speaker 3: Something against her. I think if it was if it
Speaker 3: was a battle of myths, I think she would beat me.
Speaker 3: But I think if we could, if it was just
Speaker 3: like to the death, then I would find a way
Speaker 3: a lot.
Speaker 2: And it's like, yeah, her punch is like just even
Speaker 2: like on the arm or whatever.
Speaker 4: Question, she's stronger than me.
Speaker 2: Oh, she's nuts because I got punched by like high
Speaker 2: school bullies all the time in the arm and gym class,
Speaker 2: and like these are like that's like seventeen year old boys.
Speaker 2: She punches so much harder than anyone that ever punched
Speaker 2: me in high school.
Speaker 4: Very impressive.
Speaker 3: I always liked to have a like my best friend
Speaker 3: in high school was always like just really strong and
Speaker 3: pretty impressive, and I felt really cool walking next to
Speaker 3: her because people didn't want to fight her. She fucked
Speaker 3: them up. So I I think I take your question,
Speaker 3: and I think I would. I would find a way
Speaker 3: to befriend your sister and then we would and then
Speaker 3: we would beat up men together. I think that would probably.
Speaker 2: Be But she does love you, she listens to the
Speaker 2: podcast and she's a big fan.
Speaker 4: So I think I would not punch you in the boob.
Speaker 2: Okay, we got a tag team here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think my if someone's running at me with
Speaker 1: a knife mm hm in them all, yeah, I like
Speaker 1: I would start. I would definitely, like if I had
Speaker 1: no choice, but I would, I would start looking for
Speaker 1: weapons for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like.
Speaker 4: Such a hit reaction.
Speaker 3: What's around you that you could utilize, especially if they're
Speaker 3: running you, Like Dan, if you're.
Speaker 1: Just all is perfect because you got everything, Like if.
Speaker 3: You're just gonna ostriche, Dan, like you're making yourself very susceptible.
Speaker 2: No, I wouldn't ostrich because that ostriches leave their whole
Speaker 2: everything out for the whole world to see. I would be.
Speaker 3: But you're so embarrassing that sometimes people like ignore you,
Speaker 3: like you're no longer a threat, so people just like,
Speaker 3: don't they just like leave you be.
Speaker 2: A tactic of mine, like in like a bar or
Speaker 2: something of somebody who's gonna kick my ass or something.
Speaker 2: I just look, you got nothing to prove here, like
Speaker 2: you know, you know you can kick my Ass's fine.
Speaker 3: And everyone's embarrassed, like, go, let's go back to your dad.
Speaker 3: You think that those burly bar guys who were like,
Speaker 3: let's fucking ruin this place. Do you think they're gonna
Speaker 3: like grab the ankles of a sniveling little guy peeing
Speaker 3: his pants under a bar. I don't think so. I
Speaker 3: think they just were like, that's sad, and then they
Speaker 3: went and beat up some other guy. Like I just
Speaker 3: think there's an element of it of like could you
Speaker 3: beat me, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 4: After this guy.
Speaker 3: But if you're sad and I think they just leave
Speaker 3: you alone, right.
Speaker 2: It's I think for a lot of yeah, bar type
Speaker 2: guys who want to get in fights, like you know,
Speaker 2: uh forever, you know, like per wrestlers when they go
Speaker 2: to bars after the shows and stuff back in the
Speaker 2: eighties and nineties and stuff, you would get drunken bar guys.
Speaker 2: They're like, oh, these wrestlers think they're tough. These fake wrestlers.
Speaker 2: Let's go start ship. Yeah yeah, And it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we don't do that to you know a record. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the macho thing of like trying to prove
Speaker 1: your more alpha than the other person. It's like, what's
Speaker 1: the was it the Coen Brothers Western series on Netflix?
Speaker 2: It was like the cumber Batch Tales of the cumber
Speaker 2: Batches whatever.
Speaker 1: Shrubs, Yeah, the patch, Yeah, we got there. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: the fastest gun in the West is always fighting because
Speaker 1: everybody wants to like prove they can beat him and stuff.
Speaker 2: So I feel like they're always if you're the slowest
Speaker 2: gun in the West, you're just living.
Speaker 3: The lowest gun in the West is such a tactic.
Speaker 1: That'd be That would be you Dan Cool.
Speaker 2: I'm I hate I like it, but he's living.
Speaker 1: Duel to be like, give me a second because time out,
Speaker 1: time time out.
Speaker 3: Wait, cowboy boots and then you dive under the table.
Speaker 2: You call the cops.
Speaker 1: Yeah, please.
Speaker 2: Second reference.
Speaker 1: I've I got Mattsallar sites his book about it, the
Speaker 1: Deadwood Bible or something. We're gonna I want to rewatch
Speaker 1: soon and read that along with it. The movie that
Speaker 1: show is still really good. The movie was good to
Speaker 1: season four for all intense purposes. Speaking of shows, I
Speaker 1: a couple of things. I started the Chair Company. It's
Speaker 1: Great'm not gonna spoil anything. I'm gonna talk about the show.
Speaker 2: I like, it's a hard one to spoil.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's for sure, and it's it's it's
Speaker 1: one im. I didn't watched last night. I didn't watch
Speaker 1: the Are you marry?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: Do you okay? If I were just there was no no, no no.
Speaker 1: If there was one part you know what I'm talking about, say.
Speaker 3: What your question again?
Speaker 2: Mike was protesting if I were to say, there's this
Speaker 2: one part in the last episode that just made me cackle.
Speaker 3: You fucking know that I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: And we don't even need.
Speaker 3: Watlous show.
Speaker 1: It's really fun. Yeah it's Mike.
Speaker 3: Do us a favor and take a screenshot of the
Speaker 3: part that you think that Dan and I are referencing
Speaker 3: right now.
Speaker 2: And post it to us on Instagram.
Speaker 1: Posted to us, just no content, no context.
Speaker 3: Just on the social media.
Speaker 1: Something tells me it's probably not appropriate, but do it.
Speaker 1: I'll try.
Speaker 3: I want to know what you think is the most
Speaker 3: is the funniest part of that episode.
Speaker 1: I have been saying, I've got the worst pillow in town.
Speaker 1: Quite a bit of that, a lot of it.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of good lines plurbus.
Speaker 2: We started watching that yesterday.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, wait, what is that?
Speaker 2: It's his new show one, yes, yes, and he's doing
Speaker 2: sci fi and it's like, I don't think I realize
Speaker 2: how badly I wanted that. I know we worked on
Speaker 2: like X Files back the day, but I never saw that. Uh,
Speaker 2: this is like one of the most effective pilots I've
Speaker 2: ever seen. I won't say anything. We went in totally
Speaker 2: blind and it's on Apple TV. Yeah, I know who
Speaker 2: the fuck has it? But it's it's incredible. It's so good.
Speaker 2: All right, yeah TV?
Speaker 3: What do I know?
Speaker 1: Why do I know that act? Oh she's from she's
Speaker 1: from Better Cassault. Yeah she's awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah she's great.
Speaker 1: That's right, Yeah she's I saw the.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: I thought that was fantastic.
Speaker 4: I think it's such a good ride.
Speaker 3: They carry tension throughout the whole film, and you guys
Speaker 3: are gonna think I'm crazy, but I actually think it's
Speaker 3: very similar to The Chair Company in the sense that
Speaker 3: like it's weirdly stressful and then funny, and you're like,
Speaker 3: I don't know if this should be funny because it's stressful,
Speaker 3: but I can't help it. And I laughed a lot
Speaker 3: during Bogonia when I felt like I should be upset
Speaker 3: or like stress.
Speaker 2: I can see because it's got you know, again, without
Speaker 2: spoiling it, it's very surreal, and there are definitely characters
Speaker 2: that have some really wild thoughts about what's going on
Speaker 2: and paring them with the utmost certainty, like you know,
Speaker 2: Tim Robinson talking about the Chair Company and then just
Speaker 2: yeahs and stuff in this like it's.
Speaker 3: They're both characters that are like taking the situation so
Speaker 3: seriously that you're almost like laughing at them because you're like,
Speaker 3: these are ridiculous. The Chair Company has like really good
Speaker 3: moments where Tim Robinson is still such a ridiculous person, right,
Speaker 3: Like he has these really weird quirks that carry him
Speaker 3: in his character. So even though the situation is wild,
Speaker 3: it's like, why did you make this decision? It's such
Speaker 3: an absurd decision. But Gonya is quite similar, where the
Speaker 3: lead characters are making choices where I'm like, is this
Speaker 3: a ridiculous decision that you chose to do this, but
Speaker 3: they feel so strongly about their choices that it feels
Speaker 3: endearing and honest, that's probably like the weirdest review ever.
Speaker 3: But I actually, I think I came home from Bogonia
Speaker 3: and watched that Chair Company and was like, why are
Speaker 3: these so similar?
Speaker 2: Also, I just I realized, like every time I've seen
Speaker 2: Emma Stone in the last few things I've seen her in,
Speaker 2: it's just like, is she just incredible at every possible
Speaker 2: type of role? You could throw her away.
Speaker 3: She's one of the best actresses of this of our
Speaker 3: generation for sure. I mean, she's so so talented comedy, drama, everything.
Speaker 3: How does she do it? It's just so committed to
Speaker 3: her roles. Yeah, she's good forget.
Speaker 2: Did you see The Curse with Nathan Fielder?
Speaker 1: M you did? Yeah?
Speaker 4: I actually I haven't finished it.
Speaker 3: Oh well that's and I heard that's when it gets good.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, that one has a slow burn.
Speaker 2: It does, but and I'll say by the end this
Speaker 2: specifically the end end is like, oh shit, that makes
Speaker 2: us all extremely worth it. And not that it was
Speaker 2: bad ever, but it is a slow burn. But yeah,
Speaker 2: she's incredible on that too. But yeah, Bogonia incredible. I
Speaker 2: want to watch the rest of his stuff. I hadn't seen,
Speaker 2: you know, Bonk is seeing a lot of that of
Speaker 2: the Lobster and Poor Things and his other.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, I wonder what you'd think of that. I
Speaker 3: find that movie like hard to watch.
Speaker 1: I liked it back in the day. I liked uh yeah,
Speaker 1: I also like the Is it because Jesse Plemmons is
Speaker 1: in Pogonia? Right? Oh yeah, yeah? I love his He's
Speaker 1: he's amazing.
Speaker 2: This is kind of unlike his other roles, Like he's
Speaker 2: always just kind of a creepy little freak and everything
Speaker 2: he's in, but this is maybe his creepiest little freak role,
Speaker 2: Like he is just uh, really unhinged in this one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was in Civil War for like two and
Speaker 1: a half minutes, but it felt like an hour because
Speaker 1: he's terrifying.
Speaker 2: But that's the thing, is like he's really like imposing
Speaker 2: and genuinely scary and that like he's a scary character
Speaker 2: in this too, but in the way that he's just
Speaker 2: like not he's detached from reality and you feel like
Speaker 2: he can kind of do anything, but he's not this
Speaker 2: like this threatening Like Mary, how would you describe that
Speaker 2: you've seen Civil War right, Like there's a difference in
Speaker 2: the way he's threatening in the.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's insane in one of them, and and this one,
Speaker 3: I actually think he feels quite sure of himself.
Speaker 2: While also being completely.
Speaker 3: Insane totally, But I think in this one there's relatability
Speaker 3: to his character, Like he's sensitive because he's it had
Speaker 3: really tough experiences and so you empathize with him, whereas
Speaker 3: like in Civil War, like that's just a it's a psycho.
Speaker 2: He just seems like a violent, aggressive, awful person, seems
Speaker 2: very broken.
Speaker 3: And in all every character in Bogonia, I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: I kind of feel for this character, but they're all
Speaker 3: wild so excellent acting from everyone. And I know you
Speaker 3: guys mentioned the main too, but there's a third one
Speaker 3: in there who's also an excellent actor, and I have
Speaker 3: no idea who the hell that guy?
Speaker 1: Dude?
Speaker 2: His family member, Yeah he was. He was fascinating in
Speaker 2: that too.
Speaker 1: He was great.
Speaker 2: I really love that movie.
Speaker 4: Yeah I saw it.
Speaker 3: Oh, I wanted to tell you guys that, yeah, look
Speaker 3: him up. So while you look up that, I'm going
Speaker 3: to describe uh a movie theater in Portland that I'm
Speaker 3: always a surprised that they do this, but it's a
Speaker 3: movie theater where they they it's like a it only
Speaker 3: has like eighteen seats and the seats are like couches,
Speaker 3: and so it kind of feels like a home theater,
Speaker 3: but it is a legit movie theater with really nice
Speaker 3: around sound. And then they cook full meals and deliver
Speaker 3: them while you're watching the movie. And when you order,
Speaker 3: you order two drinks and they give you a drink
Speaker 3: when the movie starts, and a drink when the movie's
Speaker 3: halfway finished.
Speaker 2: That sounds like a perfect experience.
Speaker 3: If you ever come visit me again, I think I'm
Speaker 3: gonna take you because it's so weird. It's just so
Speaker 3: weird when you're like, I'm gonna go see a movie,
Speaker 3: but the whole experience. We're gonna go see Pogonia. And
Speaker 3: he's in the hallway with us, and then the guy
Speaker 3: before he takes us to our seats, he's like, well,
Speaker 3: before I do that, let me show you our specials.
Speaker 4: He pulls out an iPad and he's like, we have scallops.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: We fly our scallops in three times a week. These
Speaker 3: are never frozen. So I really want you to consider
Speaker 3: this Atlantic local salmon and he's like going through all
Speaker 3: these like super nice high end dishes.
Speaker 4: They do surf and turf and shit like.
Speaker 3: That, and then you sit down in your little couch
Speaker 3: and they give you this massive menu of options of
Speaker 3: like pretty nice high end.
Speaker 4: Food that I thought was like cooked quite well.
Speaker 3: I was surprised with how high end this kitchen is
Speaker 3: considering it's a fucking movie theater. And then the people
Speaker 3: who sat next to us brought their own goddamn blanket
Speaker 3: and so they're like eating surf and turf with their
Speaker 3: own blanket on top of their legs.
Speaker 4: It's surreal. It's very strange.
Speaker 1: I goes.
Speaker 2: I know a lot of the stuff started with like
Speaker 2: Alamo draft houses and stuff before the pandemic, but I
Speaker 2: do feel like post pandemic theaters just had to kind
Speaker 2: of like step up their games in a lot of ways. Like, hey,
Speaker 2: come on, I know you can stream everything, but still
Speaker 2: come over here, and like you get all these recliners,
Speaker 2: you get like all the sound, and like everything just
Speaker 2: seems like I really like going to the theaters now.
Speaker 3: It was so advanced and everything about the place just
Speaker 3: feels so odd, and yeah, I keep going back because
Speaker 3: it's really nice to have a full meal with your
Speaker 3: with your movie, plus getting a drink halfway through the
Speaker 3: movie given to you. I was just like, oh yes, please,
Speaker 3: I deserve this. It was great.
Speaker 1: I'm I miss sneaking vodka in in like gay, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can still do it. I wish that was the
Speaker 1: only option. We're pampered, We've gone soft. I don't need
Speaker 1: a meal during my movie. I want pailbone to hurt
Speaker 1: when I get up.
Speaker 2: It's still the smart thing to do to sneak it
Speaker 2: in because it's way way tooper not.
Speaker 1: To save money. No, no, no, no, no, you're you're not
Speaker 1: here what I'm saying. I missed when that was a
Speaker 1: survival tactic, not just saving ten twelve bucks. In my day,
Speaker 1: before YouTube came up, we had to I had to
Speaker 1: boof vodka and then let it out during the movie
Speaker 1: at like a fucking like a water cooler nozzle.
Speaker 2: In my day, I was working at AMC trying to
Speaker 2: people stuck an alcohol.
Speaker 1: And get kicked out. Oh I was. I was on
Speaker 1: boof patrol twenty four to seven at the movie. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: He's like a little meer cat with a wine bottle
Speaker 3: sticking out of his ass making sure the police aren't nearby. Alcohol.
Speaker 1: No, it's sexual cool.
Speaker 2: I've got the far sight from perfect dark looking near
Speaker 2: rectum yet.
Speaker 3: True, let's taste it. This is alcohol.
Speaker 2: Get out of here. I'm gonna call your mother that worthiness.
Speaker 2: I think there's some Brett.
Speaker 1: And then lastly, I'm going to see Chris Fleming on
Speaker 1: Saturday at Carnegie Hall. Uh. For those who don't know,
Speaker 1: he's a comedian who's been kind of blowing up a
Speaker 1: bit and like his clips and whatnot is very funny.
Speaker 4: Conan loves him, is number one guy. I see her clips.
Speaker 1: I heard the podcast saying like he would go to
Speaker 1: Conan's house for parties and then Conan would just like
Speaker 1: make a show of throwing him out every time. And
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell why that was amped up, but like
Speaker 1: it's a really good bit, Like Chris Fleman would go
Speaker 1: into Conan's house during parties and like that, people would
Speaker 1: try to talk to him and converse and he'd be like,
Speaker 1: not now, I'm being hunted, and then would like kind
Speaker 1: of sneak around the party and then Conner would see
Speaker 1: him and sprinted him from across the house and throw
Speaker 1: him out. I can just.
Speaker 2: Picture Cony like whenever he does that Poe enraged thing, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: really good.
Speaker 1: So I'm looking forward to seeing Chris Fleming. I'll report back.
Speaker 1: He should be good. Anything else new either, updates? Dan,
Speaker 1: you've been going like a few weeks?
Speaker 2: Yeah, New York City it was, and yeah yeah, Bonaton,
Speaker 2: did you have.
Speaker 3: A good time? What were some of your highlights? So
Speaker 3: it was like your favorite part.
Speaker 2: It's one of those things where it's like twenty four hours,
Speaker 2: but in your head it felt like it was like
Speaker 2: a three hour stream or something, just because it's like
Speaker 2: you're so loopy. And so many things happened, Like at
Speaker 2: some point I played basketball against Mike Manatti. I kidnapped
Speaker 2: Jeff Grub and dropped him off in the woods in
Speaker 2: the middle of the night. I Vinnie and Alex came by.
Speaker 2: I put Jesse Vittelli in a VR helmet, made him
Speaker 2: watch Love on a leash, and Nubes did a Mortal
Speaker 2: Kombat tournament. Just a lot of stuff happened, and it
Speaker 2: was just a lot of laughing and eating McDonald's and hating.
Speaker 2: A ton of support from people, uh for for a
Speaker 2: new Giant bomb and uh yeah, very just across the board,
Speaker 2: extremely positive experience, good, good old bonding with the team,
Speaker 2: got a big airbnb together. We watched Naked Gun. It
Speaker 2: was my third time in like two months of watch that.
Speaker 3: Uh good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just hanging out just it was one of those
Speaker 2: things where the trip ends and you're flying back and
Speaker 2: you're like wow, that was just really pulled some stuff
Speaker 2: off there and had a lot of fun. So yes,
Speaker 2: very feeling very very very good about Giant Bomb right now.
Speaker 2: It happened for basically since May.
Speaker 4: But especially since the transition.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so it's looking looking very good.
Speaker 3: That makes me happy. I'm glad that you guys are
Speaker 3: doing well. I saw you guys on Twitch a couple
Speaker 3: of times and and uh, stop by as my corporate overlord.
Speaker 4: It's fun to do that.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, it was fun to seeing you there.
Speaker 3: Sometimes the chat will be like I wonder if it's
Speaker 3: merry or if it's true.
Speaker 2: Did did you have access?
Speaker 1: Yeah? He does?
Speaker 3: Oh really okay, yeah yeah you never know.
Speaker 2: But I think he gets a couple of those gen
Speaker 2: tonics and the and Drew will say anything just because
Speaker 2: he's a pier soul.
Speaker 3: I actually I think that he wouldn't unless he like
Speaker 3: asked for permish, like, that's the kind of person he is.
Speaker 3: So if you see someone chatting, it's got to be me,
Speaker 3: because Drew would never do that without being like, am
Speaker 3: I allowed?
Speaker 4: I would like to say x y Z like he's just.
Speaker 2: Too good from a Twitch account, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: He would be like more honest.
Speaker 1: I think he's a flight risk. I think that guy's
Speaker 1: nothing but trouble.
Speaker 3: Nothing.
Speaker 2: There's no one I would feel better about if I
Speaker 2: got on a plane and they were there greeting me
Speaker 2: in a Captain Suita. But Drew Scalen, Great, We're going
Speaker 2: to do just fine.
Speaker 1: Oh I meant like as a metaphor, Oh sure, sure yeah,
Speaker 1: but ironically he has a pilot's license though he does.
Speaker 2: Yeah, anything he could be gett an astronaut, no problem,
Speaker 2: I'm sure.
Speaker 3: Now, if somebody was coming at you with a knife
Speaker 3: in a mall, who would you want next to you?
Speaker 4: I'll to be a personal friend. It can't be like
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 2: Answer for this. It's someone I've been to a bar
Speaker 2: with numerous times. It's Samoa Joe. That's that's the guy.
Speaker 2: I've never felt more secure than drinking with Samoa Joe.
Speaker 2: I still think I could take him. Oh, my god, Mike,
Speaker 2: do you know how much I would pay to watch I.
Speaker 1: Think actually, like I've been playing a lot of Donkey
Speaker 1: Kong Bananza. I think like he would punch through me,
Speaker 1: like you punched through the terrain in the first layer.
Speaker 1: Once you've upgraded your power, I would just I would
Speaker 1: just explode or be pakes against a wall.
Speaker 3: All the particle effects would look so cool, but you
Speaker 3: would be super dead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Substance as well, I should I forgot. We watched
Speaker 1: the Substance. He's awesome. Yeah, yeah, yeah, speaking of there
Speaker 1: was a point in that movie where I was laughing
Speaker 1: so fucking hard. I mean, I thought many parts of
Speaker 1: that were funny intentionally, but there's other parts where it's
Speaker 1: like just horrific shit, and it was the funniest fucking
Speaker 1: thing ever. Cathartic but funny. And oh yeah, that movie's awesome.
Speaker 1: To be more fucking unreal, especially like the more the
Speaker 1: movie goes on, the more I'm like, damn, I forgot.
Speaker 1: I didn't grow up watching her, so I was like,
Speaker 1: I never saw her at her peak, but she still
Speaker 1: was killing it. Jane No, oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Charlie's Angels full throttle.
Speaker 1: She was one of the was she one of the angels,
Speaker 1: she was the villain.
Speaker 4: She was wearing like a bikini the whole time.
Speaker 1: I gotta go check.
Speaker 3: Just so you know.
Speaker 2: I saw the strip to the poster a lot.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I forgot ab Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh I've seen this.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think I have these downloaded.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I had a BlackBerry full of just
Speaker 2: specifically for photos from that movie from.
Speaker 4: Charlie these Angels full Throttle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and dazzled.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: Do you want to talk about video games?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Dan, Yeah, you've seen some quote unquote Valve stuff. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: what's going on with that?
Speaker 2: This is my first time getting to talk about it
Speaker 2: because of the embargo timing and stuff. You So, I
Speaker 2: haven't even told you guys about what this is. No, okay,
Speaker 2: we're recording this pre embargo. It will be coming out
Speaker 2: after embargo. I got I went out to Seattle to
Speaker 2: go to Valve HQ and checked out three new pieces
Speaker 2: of hardware that they are working on. Uh, and it's
Speaker 2: I'm very excited about all three of them. So it
Speaker 2: is decker is steam jack decker? Yes, yes, they have
Speaker 2: a steam steampunkers decker that lives steam upper deckers. The
Speaker 2: second one, I thought you hadn't know about this, Mary, Mary.
Speaker 3: I should work in marketing. Tell me more about this
Speaker 3: Steam upper decker. I'm excited.
Speaker 2: So first thing is the steam controller. So that is
Speaker 2: a controller that basically imagine you took a steam deck
Speaker 2: and you just cut out the screen anyone and you
Speaker 2: put it all together. It's got the track pads, it's
Speaker 2: got the sticks in the same situations and all that.
Speaker 2: Like all the layouts very very similar. It looks weird
Speaker 2: if you look at the photo of it, it's gonna
Speaker 2: be like, what is that thing? But when I first
Speaker 2: held it, my first thought was like, this feels like
Speaker 2: a better version of the Dreamcast controller, which like in
Speaker 2: terms of just like I was kind of sha you know.
Speaker 1: The way if you cut out the screen from steam
Speaker 1: Deck and you put it together. What I'm imagining it
Speaker 1: looking like is something like this like the switch to
Speaker 1: like square ish, because I feel like if you just
Speaker 1: mash the sides of a steam deck together, it would
Speaker 1: come out looking square.
Speaker 3: Is it square?
Speaker 4: What's the silhouette?
Speaker 2: It's it's think like Dreamcast. Actually I could send you
Speaker 2: I will send you here. We'll get a live react here. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm sending the image in our private discord here so
Speaker 2: you two can react to it. Here here is the
Speaker 2: reveal of the Steam controller. What do you think of that?
Speaker 3: Kind of like it looks like the Xbox controller, but
Speaker 3: somebody pulled its pants down a little bit.
Speaker 1: And panting, Yeah, that looks.
Speaker 3: Like it's good. I think it's that the Xbox controller
Speaker 3: has like you know how like the PlayStation controller is
Speaker 3: skinny and like fits smallly in the hand, and the
Speaker 3: Xbox controller is like kind of fat and thick.
Speaker 4: This is fat and thick and also long. Strange.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so it's also got stuff that like so
Speaker 2: it's got the track pad and something can see visually,
Speaker 2: but then there's stuff too that like I'm sure people
Speaker 2: are gonna find really weird cool ways to deal with this,
Speaker 2: but like it's got this capacitive stuff on the grips
Speaker 2: to where based on like how hard or how far
Speaker 2: your palms are from it. Like for instance, uh, what
Speaker 2: was that plane? I was playing a first person shooter?
Speaker 2: I was playing cyberpunk and they had it where it's
Speaker 2: like if you grip it fully, it kind of activated
Speaker 2: the gyro on it so you could, like you know,
Speaker 2: you could aim around first person with the motion, which
Speaker 2: the gyro stuff is incredible on this. In fact, if
Speaker 2: it's in like mouse mode and you're doing like like
Speaker 2: a mouse cursor, it is remember like the the WE
Speaker 2: remote you know, had the lag and stuff when you're pointing.
Speaker 2: It sounds good in theory, but it felt like shit.
Speaker 2: This one felt like using a mouse. It was incredible.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so the capacitive stuff, I'm curious to see
Speaker 2: what people do with that because that that's a unique
Speaker 2: implementation there. But yeah, it's got the backgrip buttons and everything.
Speaker 2: It's got the track pad there, but it is it
Speaker 2: looks like just like a tall controller basically.
Speaker 4: All like what's up with the double track pad?
Speaker 1: I think?
Speaker 2: So what they want to do is uh and all
Speaker 2: the stuff I'm going to talk about here, is they
Speaker 2: they for the video of folks who were really doing Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they want everything to kind of be similar in terms
Speaker 2: of the Steam UI and the controller experience. Uh, just
Speaker 2: kind of one to one across this hardware and what
Speaker 2: people know and like about the same deck and everything.
Speaker 2: So that's why there's no big swings in terms of
Speaker 2: control layout.
Speaker 1: With what I was going to say, what's yeah, what
Speaker 1: is what is the Is this meant to become like
Speaker 1: the de facto PC controller or no?
Speaker 2: So let me move on to number two here. Actually,
Speaker 2: right now, they.
Speaker 3: Took this Steam Deck and broke it out into two
Speaker 3: pieces of hardware. Is it a fucking fat ass controller
Speaker 3: and a fat ass screen?
Speaker 2: Nope, there's number two. Uh yeah, they made a game
Speaker 2: cube cube. It is the cube that is the stem machine,
Speaker 2: which out of the three, this is maybe the one
Speaker 2: I am the most excited about. Uh it is, by
Speaker 2: the way, So I'm sending you a picture. Now, there's
Speaker 2: like a bar. There's like an LED bar on the front.
Speaker 2: It's it's just like a black cube basically, but there's
Speaker 2: this like LED bar that it can you can customize
Speaker 2: it to be like, you know, power. You can have
Speaker 2: it be like download you know, you can be a
Speaker 2: proceress like.
Speaker 1: Half of a Series X kind of if you were
Speaker 1: to cut it like a.
Speaker 2: It does look it is actually smaller though it is
Speaker 2: more akin to the size of the game cube, I
Speaker 2: would say, and power wise, So this is a console.
Speaker 2: Steam Valve made a console. It is six times more
Speaker 2: powerful than a Steam Deck. And so if you were
Speaker 2: to get this and you just it's got an HDMI
Speaker 2: out and it's got to display pored out. So let's
Speaker 2: say you just put it under your TV like any
Speaker 2: other console, hook it up via HDMI. You could take
Speaker 2: it on day one when you own it, and you
Speaker 2: could take the SD card out of your Steam deck,
Speaker 2: pop it in there, and all your games and everything
Speaker 2: are right there. And since it's all using the same
Speaker 2: UI and everything, oh you don't have to read download
Speaker 2: a bunch of stuff. It's just using the same game,
Speaker 2: the same system and everything. So they just straight up
Speaker 2: made a console.
Speaker 4: So they made a switch, being that now you can, like.
Speaker 1: Now it's easier to play PC games in the living room,
Speaker 1: et cetera on a TV exactly exactly, but also presumably,
Speaker 1: what is the hardware like compared to a series extra
Speaker 1: PS five? Do you know?
Speaker 2: So I asked that a bunch, you know, just like, okay,
Speaker 2: we're talking like base base PS five here we say,
Speaker 2: And they were they were a little reluctant to say
Speaker 2: things like that. Okay, Mary is lifting up her keyboard
Speaker 2: right now and shaking out beer.
Speaker 1: We have beer there, So what's happening? Oh cores light.
Speaker 1: Oh she's still cores light in.
Speaker 2: The Oh my goodness, Mary, this is this is I've
Speaker 2: done this before. This is not good.
Speaker 3: That's pretty brute, you guys.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Mary, keep going.
Speaker 1: That's tough.
Speaker 2: It is six times more powerful in the Steam That
Speaker 2: is what they told me basically, So they were not
Speaker 2: going to I've got the specs here, so I don't
Speaker 2: know are you Are you a specs guy, Mike.
Speaker 1: H enough to all right, get Egg?
Speaker 2: What do you want?
Speaker 1: What? Like? What's the video card in it?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 2: The video card is a semi custom a m D
Speaker 2: r d n A three twenty six cu supports four
Speaker 2: K gaming at sixty FBS with fs R rate tracing supported.
Speaker 2: The CPU is an a m D six scores in
Speaker 2: four x eighty six, comes in a five twelve gigabyte
Speaker 2: model and a two terabyte model, and it is going
Speaker 2: to ship with one of those Steam controllers.
Speaker 4: That's the price.
Speaker 2: That's the bundle price. They did not announce. So and like,
Speaker 2: you know, I think it's one of those things where
Speaker 2: like I think it's the new reality now is like
Speaker 2: you're going to see a lot of things announced and
Speaker 2: people being like I I don't know, Like look at
Speaker 2: the switch, you know, you got announced and they had
Speaker 2: to change the price of successories and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: It's just the current state of things.
Speaker 3: But no screen. And here's the thing that's like really
Speaker 3: interesting about this unless the third thing you're going to
Speaker 3: announce is the screen.
Speaker 1: But the thing like, wait, what screen? What are you
Speaker 1: talking about?
Speaker 4: I'm saying there's no screen.
Speaker 3: So when you're talking about TV, yeah, it's like a console,
Speaker 3: as I was saying, when you're talking about a switch
Speaker 3: or a steam deck, it has a screen built in.
Speaker 3: And screens are really expensive to produce, right, oh, because
Speaker 3: of the stuff that's in them. This has no screen,
Speaker 3: so obviously you have to plug it into one. But
Speaker 3: what I'm saying is that the price point is going
Speaker 3: to be distinctly less because it doesn't have to pay
Speaker 3: for a fucking screen. You're paying only for like a
Speaker 3: piece of hardware. So I'm actually thinking it's going to
Speaker 3: be around three hundred dollars.
Speaker 1: Oh. I think it's that the specs you just read
Speaker 1: off are like, I don't disagree with you that, like
Speaker 1: they're saving money by not having a screen, not making
Speaker 1: it a handheld. But the specs you were just reading
Speaker 1: are like the good a decent PC.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And when you think about like the price of
Speaker 2: modern consoles, you know, like they're not three hundred dollars.
Speaker 4: It's seven.
Speaker 1: I would say, like five six.
Speaker 2: I'm operating off of no information here. If they said
Speaker 2: seven hundred, especially for this two terrible one, I would
Speaker 2: not be shocked. So but they have not announced it yet,
Speaker 2: so yeah, I mean I would think of this more
Speaker 2: akin to like a PlayStation five or Nextbox Series X
Speaker 2: or something like that, you know, versus comparing with things
Speaker 2: with screens and stuff like that, like all these components
Speaker 2: and everything and bringing things in from all over the world.
Speaker 2: Like I think everything is influx right now.
Speaker 1: So you know, wait, let me guess, is it the
Speaker 1: next VR? Yes, okay, it's.
Speaker 2: The Steam frame. It's the Steam frame?
Speaker 1: So no, wait was the vibe them?
Speaker 2: No, that was if I was HTC, But they worked
Speaker 2: it was like a third party thing they did, so yes,
Speaker 2: it was involved. They did the index was I wonder if.
Speaker 4: They're going to do a new half life.
Speaker 1: Still going on VR?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's a good one. It's maybe I think
Speaker 2: it is the best one I've ever used for sure. Like,
Speaker 2: so I'm showing you the picture here of kind of
Speaker 2: the whole suite of stuff, the front of that VR
Speaker 2: headset is the computer. Basically it's all a local thing
Speaker 2: like like the metic Quest, but it is so light.
Speaker 2: So it's got the computer basically on the front and
Speaker 2: it's got the battery in the back, and they have
Speaker 2: got to balance extremely well. So in terms of comfort level,
Speaker 2: it is definitely the best I've used. And so something
Speaker 2: I think is really cool here is it comes with
Speaker 2: this dongle and you can use it locally, so you
Speaker 2: can use it like a meta Quest three. You can
Speaker 2: play games locally on it and everything. But that dongle
Speaker 2: will plug into the Steam machine or a PC and
Speaker 2: it will just send the gameplay, like all the gameplay information,
Speaker 2: graphical information, and everything goes over the dongle. My understanding
Speaker 2: is not using the Internet. It is just using it locally,
Speaker 2: just kind of beaming it there and then so that way,
Speaker 2: it's like if you have bad Wi Fi or something
Speaker 2: like that, it's not gonna to be super hitchy and
Speaker 2: shitty because it's using your WiFi. This dongle will send
Speaker 2: it and just the gameplay stuff, just the stuff needed
Speaker 2: for the gameplay versus like you know, Discord voice chat,
Speaker 2: other Internet applications and things like that, so we uh
Speaker 2: we we. They turned on some debug filters for us
Speaker 2: when I was using it, and they have a thing
Speaker 2: where it's like they have a ten percent of your
Speaker 2: view basically like which sounds like a very small amount,
Speaker 2: but like they turned they toggled it on and off,
Speaker 2: and it's like basically the center of your view no
Speaker 2: matter where you're looking with both your head and your eyes.
Speaker 2: It's got eye tracking. They are putting way more like
Speaker 2: horsepower into that ten percent window that the center of
Speaker 2: your eyes is looking at what they're doing. The thing
Speaker 2: that they've done it in like standard non VR games
Speaker 2: as well, where it's like you know, they'll be is
Speaker 2: it dynamic rendering or.
Speaker 1: No, there's a there's a cool I'll look it up
Speaker 1: something like that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think they had a term for it here they
Speaker 2: called like foviated streaming or something. Yes, I think, yes,
Speaker 2: they were using the term foviiate of the lot.
Speaker 1: I think I think Meta also used that. Yeah. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: and maybe not not to the extent you're talking about,
Speaker 1: but that's I knew I'd heard that phrase before and
Speaker 1: I didn't see this, but.
Speaker 3: It's it's all wireless, and so you're not connected to anything.
Speaker 2: At no point will you be wired. I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't even know if that's the possibility charge.
Speaker 1: Though, Like, could you could plug into so you don't
Speaker 1: have to How would you How do you charge this thing?
Speaker 2: I mean I would just seem like anything else, you
Speaker 2: just plug it in when you're not using it.
Speaker 1: Right, But if you have zero if you have zero battery,
Speaker 1: I'm just refuting the fact that you'll never be wired.
Speaker 1: If you have zero battery and you want to play it,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to have it.
Speaker 2: That's probably an option to just play.
Speaker 1: I'm being as I'm just yea, how do you charge
Speaker 1: this thing? Yeah? No, it's it's it's really solid.
Speaker 2: I I remain skeptical of just like VR in general,
Speaker 2: because until they're actually like, look, half Life Alex kicks
Speaker 2: ass and I played a half Life Alex beaming off
Speaker 2: of the Good Game. No doubt this will be the
Speaker 2: best way to play it, just like super easy streaming
Speaker 2: from going to be a new half didn't say anything about.
Speaker 1: That, but Half Life Brad, Oh my god, if they
Speaker 1: if they in some world did like announce that this
Speaker 1: is going to launch with a half Life three, they
Speaker 1: that would just I mean, I know there's that's a no,
Speaker 1: I'm not actually thinking it's gonna happen. There's in no
Speaker 1: way what they need to do, if anything. Like I
Speaker 1: think this lineup's kind of cool. Like, I think it
Speaker 1: all looks good. I like the aesthetic. It's ten times
Speaker 1: better than the monstrosity that is the PS five that
Speaker 1: I've still not gotten used to seeing in my home.
Speaker 2: The console itself, the.
Speaker 1: Design of the console itself. I think this, all this
Speaker 1: stuff is all slick looking.
Speaker 2: I like all this Like when I go home for
Speaker 2: the holidays, I'm not bringing a fucking any modern console
Speaker 2: outside of the switch. Like, this thing is very packful,
Speaker 2: and I think more importantly, the thing I kept thinking
Speaker 2: about here was someone like my sister, who loves video
Speaker 2: games just her whole life, has loved video games, but
Speaker 2: has never had never played games on a PC, you know,
Speaker 2: never never had that. Like this is a way to like,
Speaker 2: like just just if something's just on Steam, she's not
Speaker 2: playing it. She's even if it's like super for her,
Speaker 2: and I would love for her to check it out,
Speaker 2: I'm never gonna recommend it because she's just doesn't have
Speaker 2: a way to play it. This is this is a console.
Speaker 2: This is a box that you plug into your TV,
Speaker 2: but it has access to your games Steam library.
Speaker 1: I will say.
Speaker 3: The use case for me is like when I play
Speaker 3: PC games, I have to go upstairs into my work
Speaker 3: station where my gaming you know.
Speaker 4: Spaces, and that's fine, I can do it.
Speaker 3: But the thing I really want to do is play
Speaker 3: PC games on the couch, like in the comfort of
Speaker 3: my home.
Speaker 4: But I don't have.
Speaker 3: Another PC set up there. So I play my Steam
Speaker 3: Deck on the couch. This I would connect to my TV,
Speaker 3: and I think that is that is kind of the
Speaker 3: game changer.
Speaker 2: So here's another thing too, is let's say, okay, Haitis
Speaker 2: two runs great on the Steam deck, you play it
Speaker 2: on there, then you can also go play it on
Speaker 2: the Steam machine on your TV.
Speaker 1: Same thing I said.
Speaker 2: About the SD card works with the Steam frame as well,
Speaker 2: where you pop it in there and all your games
Speaker 2: on Steam are there, and so even two D games,
Speaker 2: so like anything on Steam. I played Hades two in
Speaker 2: the Steam Frame and did the thing where it blew
Speaker 2: up the screen super big. The resolution was awesome, Like
Speaker 2: it was a super comfortable, cool way to play that game.
Speaker 2: It's got the split controllers I sent you guys. The
Speaker 2: photo here you can see it's you know, if you've
Speaker 2: seen like a Metaquest controller or something like that, it
Speaker 2: looks similar. But it was a very comfortable, cool way
Speaker 2: to play Hades too. So like if you were in
Speaker 2: that Steam ecosystem, you have so many different options here
Speaker 2: that you knows, assuming it works the way they're saying
Speaker 2: it will and the way I experienced it working is
Speaker 2: it's just this seamless way to like, I don't know
Speaker 2: if you want to play on a Steam Deck on
Speaker 2: a plane, you want to play it on your TV
Speaker 2: at home?
Speaker 1: Do you want to play it in VR?
Speaker 2: Like it's really really cool stuff they're doing here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's like a world in which if I have
Speaker 1: all of them, I'm in here playing Rainbow six Siege
Speaker 1: on mouse and keyboard or a strategy game on mouse
Speaker 1: and keyboard. But then I'm like, oh, I'm done. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go hang out in the living room of the
Speaker 1: mand I bring my Steam deck and then my brother
Speaker 1: texts me, He's like, hey, do you want to play
Speaker 1: Apex on Steam? And I'm like sure, and then I
Speaker 1: bring I come back in and now I'm all of
Speaker 1: a sudden on this console like that's the seamlessness. And
Speaker 1: also like I trust fail to figure out the software
Speaker 1: side of things and the platform side of things and
Speaker 1: the hardware now at this point. So that's all super promising.
Speaker 1: I would like to have that full suite as of
Speaker 1: now pending. Yeah, to Mary's point, like how much I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have to pay for it?
Speaker 4: How much is it because I can make it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm saying that particularly it's dan how much is
Speaker 3: it because I have computers that when I build them,
Speaker 3: it's nice because then I could replace pieces. What's kind
Speaker 3: of frustrating about buying a PC console is like again,
Speaker 3: that's why I bring up the price point, is like,
Speaker 3: if I'm going to spend seven hundred dollars, I'm going
Speaker 3: to build my own PC and then replace pieces as
Speaker 3: I need to.
Speaker 4: This is like a one and done Cuba.
Speaker 1: Or is it modular? Did they say I doubt it?
Speaker 2: Look at the spec sheet here. I want to say
Speaker 2: they said something about like they might have said like
Speaker 2: certain elements of a good like storage and things like that,
Speaker 2: but I don't want to say.
Speaker 3: I'm only seeing two USB c's and one no way, Yeah,
Speaker 3: two USB's and one s port, and it's.
Speaker 2: Like okay for USBA ports two USB three in the front,
Speaker 2: two USB two in the rear. Yeah, okay, I'm not
Speaker 2: seeing anything on the spec sheet about modification, but you
Speaker 2: know TVD on that, I don't want to say anything
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: I doubt it.
Speaker 3: I ventually on consoles, they don't want you like opening
Speaker 3: your up and like fixing it. So it's just like
Speaker 3: again for a PC situation, especially for people who are
Speaker 3: like playing multiplayer games, You're gonnaed to hook up your
Speaker 3: MIC and you know, like other components and so anyway,
Speaker 3: when I'm like streaming, I need to have a rig.
Speaker 3: So I probably I would never use this for like streaming,
Speaker 3: but for gaming casually this has a market, but again
Speaker 3: only to a certain price. At a certain price, like
Speaker 3: just build.
Speaker 2: These days, any new piece of hardware, I'm just always
Speaker 2: bracing for it to be more than people want or expect. Yeah,
Speaker 2: probably fair. I think that's the worst.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm still so hopeful. I'm so hopeful that it
Speaker 3: won't crush me with its cost.
Speaker 2: Yeah. By the time this episode goes up, the announcement
Speaker 2: will have officially gone out from Balve. But I don't
Speaker 2: think they're going to be announcing the price the soon.
Speaker 3: I think they know better with what happened plus all
Speaker 3: the other stuff, it's probably still actually like malleable based
Speaker 3: on tariffs and a bunch of other factors of what
Speaker 3: it will end up being.
Speaker 4: Ye crazy cool.
Speaker 1: Dan, Yeah, very very like.
Speaker 2: That's the thing is, like they don't They are very
Speaker 2: selective and when they reach out to press and stuff
Speaker 2: like that, and every time they have reached out it's
Speaker 2: been for a good reason. And so yeah, we took
Speaker 2: the trip and went out there and it's like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: you guys have some real shit cooking here. It's no game.
Speaker 2: They didn't announce anything about like games or anything like that.
Speaker 1: I played.
Speaker 2: I played Haites two. I played a Half Life Alex.
Speaker 2: I played there was I forget the name of this game.
Speaker 2: It is you're on a boat talking to a dude.
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know a boat spirit fairer. No, No,
Speaker 2: it's there's a storm. There's a guy with a hat
Speaker 2: on a boat.
Speaker 5: Mmm.
Speaker 1: See if thieves like two games say it.
Speaker 2: Was like an indie game. I wasn't aware. Turned I
Speaker 2: played Cyberpunk, I played Metal Garslid Delta, I played you know,
Speaker 2: they said like the Steam Library as of now is
Speaker 2: like it can kind of run everything at like four
Speaker 2: K sixty the Steam Machine.
Speaker 1: So cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh wait sorry, and they there's no like launch window.
Speaker 2: Early next year.
Speaker 1: Oh gotcha? Okay, so I would see like I wonder
Speaker 1: if yeah, I wonderful see price stuff like before the
Speaker 1: New Year's or not. I don't think so. I think
Speaker 1: if they're going to they do it right now. But
Speaker 1: yeah cool. Speaking of new hardware, I caught up and
Speaker 1: got a switch to and so far I've played a
Speaker 1: bunch of ports for like work purposes, just to test
Speaker 1: stuff out. But uh, tried Mario Kart as well. Cool
Speaker 1: stuff there. That game is like, I don't know that
Speaker 1: I'll keep going back. I was never the biggest Mario
Speaker 1: Kart person I.
Speaker 4: Played console seller. In my opinion, that game is not.
Speaker 1: But fucking uh Dan, I'm not trying to be mean
Speaker 1: when you talk. When you talk a big game about
Speaker 1: Nintendo games, I think you you'll be the first to
Speaker 1: admit like you really like Nintendo games. No, I think
Speaker 1: you're you're capable of looking past your Nintendo mark.
Speaker 2: I have given so many bad reviews to first person
Speaker 2: Nintendo game awesome up a fucking list. If you need them, Paper,
Speaker 2: Mario Colors, Black, start Bucks zero, all fucking shit on
Speaker 2: Nintendo all day.
Speaker 1: Yeah those games suck though, But like I'm saying, yeah,
Speaker 1: you really like Nintendo games, I'm always like, oh cool.
Speaker 1: And then also when I hear that Giant Bomb likes
Speaker 1: a three D platform, I'm like, what else is new?
Speaker 1: So I was like, Okay, I went into this game
Speaker 1: with high expectations because it's the Super Mario Odyssey team
Speaker 1: and because it just I've heard a lot of people
Speaker 1: say it's really good, that game is fucking good. But actually,
Speaker 1: I realize people who are listening to this have probably
Speaker 1: heard a lot of people talk about this game so far.
Speaker 1: I won't like harp on this game too long, especially
Speaker 1: because we've got Game of the Year coming up soon.
Speaker 1: I'm going to save some stuff for that. I'm only
Speaker 1: two worlds and two layers quo quote not much, not
Speaker 1: counting sub layers. So this this nomenclature is weird. You're
Speaker 1: basically instead of going between worlds, you're going deeper and
Speaker 1: deeper into this like planet toward the core. But of course,
Speaker 1: like once you get down to a certain one, you're
Speaker 1: outside in like a lagoon or hilltops, or a forest,
Speaker 1: et cetera. But like, I don't think this game is
Speaker 1: is perfect by any means. I think the camera. I mean,
Speaker 1: so those who don't know, you can break almost everything
Speaker 1: in this game. It's Donkey Kong. You're just smashing almost NonStop.
Speaker 1: You can punch upward, you can punch downward, you could
Speaker 1: punch forward, you can surf on these explosive blocks, you
Speaker 1: can punch through walls. You're doing this ground slam to
Speaker 1: highlight collectible items like bananas or seashells or whatever the
Speaker 1: thematic item is in that world, and you're highlighting them
Speaker 1: like with a sonar ping when you slam the ground,
Speaker 1: which is really nice creative use of that. It's gonna
Speaker 1: happen when you get into tight tunnels in this game.
Speaker 1: The camera's not gonna know how the fucks react. It
Speaker 1: gets a bit annoying. I forgive it, just because again
Speaker 1: they are letting me basically dig into the bowels of
Speaker 1: this game with by punching the ground and like minecrafting
Speaker 1: my way through the environment. But like the amount of
Speaker 1: creativity on display is just unreal. The joy Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: the like it's the most like Capital v Capital G
Speaker 1: video game of I'm trying to remember. I think we
Speaker 1: we've talked about this a lot, Like Mary, you would
Speaker 1: love this game. I think like it. Obviously the switch
Speaker 1: to is not everybody has one, but like, if you
Speaker 1: get it, I would actually like Now I know how
Speaker 1: much I like this I wish I had gotten a
Speaker 1: switch to sooner. The worlds are gorgeous. The fact that
Speaker 1: like it's super reductive at this point to like compare
Speaker 1: it to Super Mario Odyssey. But I will say that
Speaker 1: that team is so good at classic Mario games or
Speaker 1: just like Genius in the way that they can introduce
Speaker 1: an idea and then put a twist on an idea
Speaker 1: and then like test you to master the idea, whether
Speaker 1: against a boss or just like a more difficult world.
Speaker 1: The fact that they can still sort of pull that
Speaker 1: off in a wide open world, like these areas are
Speaker 1: not completely wide open, but for all intensive purposes they
Speaker 1: kind of are, especially because you can just dig from
Speaker 1: one side to another in certain cases. The fact that
Speaker 1: they can still onboard and tutorialize such like fun creative ideas,
Speaker 1: but then by the time you get to a different
Speaker 1: part of the map, it's just you've mastered it and
Speaker 1: now you're being tested in a really creative way against
Speaker 1: a boss. Like I also just love that half the
Speaker 1: time the solution is just to smash things, like everything.
Speaker 1: They're they're under no illusion that Donkey Kong needs to
Speaker 1: be anything other than an ape that really fucking likes
Speaker 1: bananas and smashes.
Speaker 2: Everything's Donkey Kong's not doing witness puzzles, you know.
Speaker 1: No, Yeah, there's no secret thing happening in the sky
Speaker 1: that you need to draw a line across. It's just
Speaker 1: it went ins out climb something, or you can almost
Speaker 1: climb nearly anything as well, unless it's a certain surface
Speaker 1: or break anything like.
Speaker 2: Throw a boulder at something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they they're not precious about Like it's just I
Speaker 1: come across like there's this lagoon that's been drained, or
Speaker 1: like there's this water source up in the sky has
Speaker 1: been plugged up by this villain, and you're trying to
Speaker 1: remove these butt plugs to let the water flow back down.
Speaker 1: But of course there's a monkey trying to fish in
Speaker 1: a lagoon, and you can see his thought bubble or
Speaker 1: his conversation bubble from like a few feet away, and
Speaker 1: he's just like finally some peace and quiet of fish
Speaker 1: and then I come through slamming the ground and breaking
Speaker 1: all the palm trees and like basically just destroying the pond.
Speaker 1: He's like, well, now I gotta find somewhere else to fish,
Speaker 1: Like you can the world and the NPCs are so
Speaker 1: nonchalant about you just wrecking everything. Oh, it's it's it's amazing.
Speaker 2: It's the most like, yeah, just hop into a world
Speaker 2: and run around and fuck stuff up, and you're gonna
Speaker 2: you're gonna just come across fun stuff to do in
Speaker 2: specific challenges and stuff like that. But you really can
Speaker 2: just aimlessly go through the world and punch stuff and
Speaker 2: it's not totally mindless in that way, you know.
Speaker 1: Right, I was gonna say much of the time it
Speaker 1: can be mindless and you're just smashing stuff, and I'm
Speaker 1: like going into a trance just destroying everything because it's
Speaker 1: so satisfying and the haptic feedback and it's such a
Speaker 1: crunchy game. It feels amazing to play. But then other
Speaker 1: times there's like, oh, right, it's the it's this team.
Speaker 1: They know how to create a puzzle, which again they're
Speaker 1: not gonna be the most complicated puzzles, but every once
Speaker 1: in a while I have had to stop and think
Speaker 1: a bit, or at least like look around and take
Speaker 1: in the environment and figure think out my next step.
Speaker 1: But it yeah, it's just I also, oh god, I
Speaker 1: love that there's there was one point where I thought
Speaker 1: of you, Dan, and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I think they made this game for Dan Riiker. Basically,
Speaker 1: you have to hear one character talk or read his
Speaker 1: his you know, a rant for like sixty seconds, which
Speaker 1: by this game's measurement, is a long time. And I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I wonder how Dan felt about this.
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden you get a banana
Speaker 1: just for sitting through the dialogue, which are funny time
Speaker 1: congrats a golden banana. Yeah. And then Donkey Kong like
Speaker 1: of course, now I got a skill point and now
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I can punch through harder terrain. No,
Speaker 1: that game's amazing. It's just like I love Super Mario
Speaker 1: want to see. I liked Astrobot for what it's worth,
Speaker 1: and I thought that game was like just joyful and
Speaker 1: they had a blast making it and it's just unabashedly
Speaker 1: a video game. But like Donkey Kong Bananza, I don't
Speaker 1: know that another game this year compares in terms of
Speaker 1: just like it's not trying to be anything other than
Speaker 1: what it is, and what it is is they just
Speaker 1: nailed almost everything they've been trying to do so far.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's great. I'm glad that a whole bunch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's phenomenal. I like it quite a bit.
Speaker 3: I'm glad.
Speaker 1: Mary. What have you been playing.
Speaker 3: I've been playing a little game called I should be
Speaker 3: like one of the best titled games of the year
Speaker 3: r V there yet, which is a.
Speaker 4: Co op or what we've been calling what do you
Speaker 4: call it?
Speaker 3: Like slaugh friends slop game about four people who need
Speaker 3: to get in an RV and go to a destination
Speaker 3: on a map, but most of the time you're.
Speaker 4: Smoking and drinking and chilling by the water.
Speaker 3: It's just a really fun, stupid game to play with
Speaker 3: your friends because there's nothing truly serious about it. There's
Speaker 3: a complete dedicated button to smoking, and so you just
Speaker 3: constantly have a cigarette in your mouth and you're like
Speaker 3: all smoking while you talk to each other and planning
Speaker 3: what you're gonna do. It's the actual like the gameplay
Speaker 3: is that the RV can get stuck on the terrain.
Speaker 3: It puts you in some like really precarious situations mud,
Speaker 3: really tall steep hills, you know, precarious mountain tops, et cetera.
Speaker 3: And so you need to be able to use the
Speaker 3: tools to get your RV through these physical puzzles. There's
Speaker 3: a wench, which is my favorites kind of op and
Speaker 3: you can attach a cable from your RV the front
Speaker 3: or the back to pull your RV through some of
Speaker 3: these spaces. There's also like wedges that you might want
Speaker 3: to put and then just like classic stuff like a
Speaker 3: wooden board, and so you put the wooden board in
Speaker 3: front of the tires if you're stuck in the mud
Speaker 3: and things like that.
Speaker 2: You can also attach the wench to other players. So
Speaker 2: if you're playing with four players and we were doing
Speaker 2: a stream, I attached it to Jeff Backlar and suddenly
Speaker 2: Mike not he's driving the RV and it's dragging Jeff backl.
Speaker 3: So funny like the situations that you get into, but
Speaker 3: like it really is the surprises of the game that
Speaker 3: I think made us love it so much, Like you know,
Speaker 3: running into the trees to be like I wonder what's
Speaker 3: ahead and then running back and being like bear, Bear Bear,
Speaker 3: And there are bears in the game and elk for
Speaker 3: some reason that can impact your gameplay.
Speaker 4: So we laughed a lot about all the crazy antics
Speaker 4: we got into.
Speaker 3: The RV is a stick shift, which is a very
Speaker 3: funny thing to play in a video game. So you
Speaker 3: have to like push in the clutch, go into first
Speaker 3: in second gear to be able to drive, and the game.
Speaker 4: Is it's just very cheeky.
Speaker 3: What does it say.
Speaker 4: It says like.
Speaker 3: In the instructions it goes, oh, if you never learned
Speaker 3: how to drive a stick shift, it's time to learn.
Speaker 3: And so it's just kind of like making you try
Speaker 3: these things for the first time. I think when the
Speaker 3: coffee cup is full, it has the option to drink,
Speaker 3: and when the coffee cup is empty and you're holding it,
Speaker 3: the option for action is to do nothing. It just
Speaker 3: literally says do nothing because there's nothing in the coffee cup. Like,
Speaker 3: these guys had fun making this stupid bid game and
Speaker 3: allowing you to play.
Speaker 2: And there's fun stuff you can do too, where it's
Speaker 2: like almost like air traffic control arms and stuff. So
Speaker 2: if you're like, you know, you can move arms individually
Speaker 2: to point like, oh, you're far away, and it's if
Speaker 2: I told you guys aout the movie Sorcerer where it's
Speaker 2: a but the truck never had the draw bridge.
Speaker 1: It's a lot like that.
Speaker 2: It's a lot like there'sious stuff. It's like William Friedkin's
Speaker 2: Sorcerer to like lay down, you know, planks and stuff
Speaker 2: across like a river and you're driving an RV across
Speaker 2: it and one person's on the other side. Okay, go
Speaker 2: that way, go that way, and you've got the prox
Speaker 2: chat and all that stuff. You can also just kind
Speaker 2: of wildly motion towards things. It's it does a there
Speaker 2: is that good mix of like actual gameplay there and
Speaker 2: it's not just total chaos, but also like they know
Speaker 2: what kind of game they're making, and there's enough silliness
Speaker 2: there too.
Speaker 3: They knew what they were making for sure, and they
Speaker 3: kind of honed in on that. There's a lot of
Speaker 3: stuff that isn't really final, but it's fine. Snakes in
Speaker 3: that game are just like a straight up like it
Speaker 3: just looks like a long piece of brown. It doesn't
Speaker 3: have any snake qualities, but if you get close to it,
Speaker 3: it will bite you and poison you. So they like
Speaker 3: knew where to put their their energy and it was
Speaker 3: not in snake animations. This thing looks they put.
Speaker 2: In a bunch of chubby little dudes, and they put.
Speaker 4: In a bunch of chubby little dudes.
Speaker 3: There's hats that you get to wear, so a lot
Speaker 3: of things to enjoy about the game. I also will
Speaker 3: just say it's it's lovely to actually sit and rest
Speaker 3: and look at the beautiful vistas the game puts you
Speaker 3: in and have a cigarette. I just kept I kept
Speaker 3: finding myself being like, what's time for lunch? A little
Speaker 3: lunch break, right, like thiss have little cigarettes and like
Speaker 3: enjoy the view, and we would we would.
Speaker 4: Do that a lot.
Speaker 3: The cooking in the game is very silly. So health
Speaker 3: is you know, you can break bones falling and stuff
Speaker 3: like that, and one way to get your health back
Speaker 3: is to eat. So when you first start, there's these
Speaker 3: frozen patties and if you come across to grill and
Speaker 3: you light the grill, you put the frozen patties on
Speaker 3: the grill, and after like I don't know, ten to
Speaker 3: fifteen seconds literally goes and a full burger with lettuce, cheese, onion,
Speaker 3: tomato comes out. It just kind of pops out and
Speaker 3: then you go collect it and eat it. I think
Speaker 3: it's it's whimsical and cheeky and fun, and I loved it.
Speaker 3: Like some stuff I wish they did a little differently.
Speaker 3: I find that most problems can be solved with the wench,
Speaker 3: and I wish that.
Speaker 4: They pushed the player to try other things.
Speaker 3: I found that in almost every situation would be like,
Speaker 3: we can winch our ways out of here, but.
Speaker 4: It's more interesting to lose.
Speaker 3: I think it's more interesting to be challenged with a
Speaker 3: situation where you cannot use the wench and you have
Speaker 3: to like brute force your way through it. The way
Speaker 3: you lose this game is everyone dying or you're RV
Speaker 3: taking so much damage that it is essentially broken, and
Speaker 3: then you start back at your last save. But you
Speaker 3: can repair your RV at every save location. I found
Speaker 3: that very rarely did we destroy our and had to
Speaker 3: start back at the save, and so I would have
Speaker 3: liked the game to challenge us even more. But the
Speaker 3: situations that it put you in is very whimsical. When
Speaker 3: one of them was just a massive ramp that shot
Speaker 3: up and then a huge gap to get to the
Speaker 3: next area, and so it's like whoever's driving needs to
Speaker 3: be able to get into fifth gear very quickly and
Speaker 3: know what they're doing, and the rest of us are
Speaker 3: just holding on for dear life. And we we had
Speaker 3: a good time, Like the whole time we were laughing
Speaker 3: and pushing each other off cliffs. You can also pick
Speaker 3: each other up and throw throw each other, which I
Speaker 3: think is fun. A great friends slop game, especially in
Speaker 3: between rounds of Peak or some other crap that you'd
Speaker 3: play with your friends. I think it's great.
Speaker 1: I'm pro friend slot.
Speaker 4: It's like seven dollars too.
Speaker 3: I like bring up cost a lot with these things,
Speaker 3: cause like when you talk about friend slop or like
Speaker 3: just some random stuff that you're like, I don't know
Speaker 3: if we're gonna love it, but it'd be nice to
Speaker 3: try it. I think under fifteen is the amount of
Speaker 3: money where it's like it's less than fifteen dollars, I'm
Speaker 3: not going to worry about that. That's the cost of
Speaker 3: a movie ticket. It's a cost of like a couple
Speaker 3: of beers at a bar. I will do that for
Speaker 3: an evening, and if we never play it again, that's
Speaker 3: worth it. But when the game is like thirty forty bucks,
Speaker 3: that's like, well better be good, you know, Like that's
Speaker 3: that's like a lot of game dollars.
Speaker 2: Especially games that like really kind of require you to
Speaker 2: have friends to really enjoy, Like it's it's smart.
Speaker 1: It's easier to say, hey, go come play this with
Speaker 1: me at seven bucks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, baby, that's right.
Speaker 1: I think it's.
Speaker 3: A very alluring price point for you to have one
Speaker 3: night with your friends where you try and drive an
Speaker 3: RV together.
Speaker 4: And there's lots of surprises.
Speaker 3: I don't want to like spoil them because if people
Speaker 3: are like, oh, I'm kind of interested, the more I say,
Speaker 3: the less don't look it up, because like it's the
Speaker 3: fun part is discovering the stupid things that are in
Speaker 3: this game.
Speaker 1: That's a good point about the money too.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, if you're just trying to convince
Speaker 2: friend to get it, it's like an uber to a
Speaker 2: bar is going to cost way more than that.
Speaker 1: You know, totally let's just hang out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, and I actually think that is what
Speaker 3: happened and why I played it, is that we were
Speaker 3: all going to go out and then it didn't work out,
Speaker 3: and I was like, listen, I think it's eight bucks whatever,
Speaker 3: it's seven ninety nine for seven dollars and ninety nine cents.
Speaker 3: This is an easy game evening for you to have
Speaker 3: fun all night and play this and enjoy it. So
Speaker 3: I think that alone is why it's a It's sold
Speaker 3: for me as a quality experience. Does it need work? Absolutely?
Speaker 3: RV bugged out I think once and it Yeah, just
Speaker 3: totally couldn't handle the physics and it was a total mess.
Speaker 3: But other than that, I mean, I just think it
Speaker 3: was really fun. We also had the same discovery of
Speaker 3: holding onto the wench. I fell into a snake pit
Speaker 3: and they threw the wench down to save me, and
Speaker 3: I was like, holding on to this wench over a snake.
Speaker 1: Pit, saying, wench, it's not much winch. What wench? I
Speaker 1: like saying wench, No, the tool as a winch. Say
Speaker 1: the same w I w e. Oh yeah you're from
Speaker 1: the you're both Midwest, Yes, yeah, yeah, but you're saying
Speaker 1: they're different.
Speaker 6: It's a gym gym winch winch Yeah whench winch. Yeah, No,
Speaker 6: they're different things. You're Oh, I know how to spell everything,
Speaker 6: but I don't know how to say anything.
Speaker 3: That's a good Dan impression.
Speaker 1: Oh, I got a cool hardware news for you. Uh,
Speaker 1: speaking of Dan, Yeah, you played Arc Raiders that with
Speaker 1: Giant Bomb. Folks.
Speaker 2: Yes, I've been playing that a lot with different groups,
Speaker 2: played with Giant Bomb, played with Bomb, play it with
Speaker 2: my sister Kayla. Uh. It is a fascinating game. I've
Speaker 2: never played an extraction shooter before. Every time I've read
Speaker 2: about them, I have been, I guess, more disinterested than
Speaker 2: actively turned off at the idea. It's just like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: so you go into a multiplayer thing and you're just
Speaker 2: getting loot and then you can die and lose everything,
Speaker 2: and it's like that doesn't sound appealing to me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this one just kind of like it seems like this
Speaker 2: is the one that made it accessible to kind of mainstream,
Speaker 2: you know, or skeptical people of the whole extraction shooter thing.
Speaker 2: It is close enough to like a pubg or a
Speaker 2: hell diver's experience, but also has like I can't speak
Speaker 2: to other extraction shooters because this is my first one,
Speaker 2: but I do understand what it is offering that is
Speaker 2: very different than other games of the silk, and that's
Speaker 2: it's the interactions with other players. Because it's pvpv so
Speaker 2: it's like the main things you're kind of running into
Speaker 2: and actively getting into gunfights with are arcs, which are
Speaker 2: these floating things. It's hornets and wasps. Basically these drones
Speaker 2: and stuffing can shoot out their rotors and stuff. And
Speaker 2: it's even those encounters are really cool, Like there's a
Speaker 2: lot of really animations and everything and all these different
Speaker 2: kind of robot arc characters. But then there are also
Speaker 2: other human you know, if you do solos, you're you're
Speaker 2: going to run into solos, you know, or you play
Speaker 2: with up to three, and it does very much change
Speaker 2: the way the games play out where it's like if
Speaker 2: you're playing trios, they tend to have more violent encounters
Speaker 2: with other players. I don't know if that's just by
Speaker 2: nature of like, okay, people getting a group of three
Speaker 2: together more kind of hardcore about this, or there's more
Speaker 2: kind of tension because there's three people here. But I've
Speaker 2: seen enough and played enough like solo as well ay
Speaker 2: and duos to know that like it kind of decreases
Speaker 2: the amount of aggression as you're doing that, because like
Speaker 2: Bonk plays largely solo, and I I've watched her play
Speaker 2: a lot, and it's a lot of like you know,
Speaker 2: you run into a person there, and you know you
Speaker 2: turn on the microphone, it's got prox chat and everything.
Speaker 2: But hey, I'm a friendly. Oh don't shoot, No, I'm
Speaker 2: a friendly and like oh oh yeah, okay cool. Do
Speaker 2: you see this over here, like oh yeah, I tried
Speaker 2: to kill that thing or like actually having these moments
Speaker 2: of like hue when interaction and stuff, and then they
Speaker 2: don't kill each other. And then there are times too
Speaker 2: where it's like, oh, okay, you went to extraction extract
Speaker 2: and at the very end, somebody, like right before the
Speaker 2: elevator game kills you even though they told you that
Speaker 2: they're friendly and stuff, you approach with their gun out
Speaker 2: and stuff like those moments.
Speaker 1: Attentions of the end of which thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, But it's also prone to like, God, we
Speaker 2: did a stream. I implore anyone to check this out.
Speaker 2: It was unprofessional Fridays with me, Jeff Grubb, and Kayla,
Speaker 2: my sister, playing and it was the funniest fucking thing
Speaker 2: I have played in so long because Kayla, I am
Speaker 2: trying to be the voice of reason here and I'm
Speaker 2: trying to like approach other people like.
Speaker 1: Oh, we're cool, We're cool. Hey, hey, no, no, let's work together.
Speaker 1: Do you want some stuff here?
Speaker 2: Go ahead and Kayla is just screaming threats at them
Speaker 2: and just being the most vulgar, just talking about how
Speaker 2: she says, I'm gonna full frontal your ass or I'm
Speaker 2: gonna be your stepmom's mom. Like she doesn't even make sense,
Speaker 2: but like she was, like she would just get in
Speaker 2: people's faces and scream so much that most of these
Speaker 2: the other teams just ran away because I didn't want
Speaker 2: to deal with her. SOB would be like apologizing for
Speaker 2: I'm sorry about my sister.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. No, no, no, she's not gonna hurt you. She's
Speaker 1: not gonna hurt you.
Speaker 2: And people are just taking off and like leaving loot
Speaker 2: for us because they were scared of my sister.
Speaker 1: So that's unreal. She's the what's the character and the
Speaker 1: wild card character in Heat at the beginning? Oh uh oh,
Speaker 1: what's his name? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Not Wayne, not Wayne grow Wayne grow Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's that, and it's just like what she is.
Speaker 2: Just yeah, it's so many different types of gameplay you
Speaker 2: can get between, like just that peaceful kind of looting
Speaker 2: and extracting of a solo game, but it's also really
Speaker 2: good for like a I've been playing on PC and
Speaker 2: PS five. It is probably the best use case I've
Speaker 2: ever seen for the PS five mike situation, where it's
Speaker 2: like you've got the mute button right there. You've got
Speaker 2: like this game doesn't require if you're playing solos, you
Speaker 2: don't need a headset on. Like I'm someone who really
Speaker 2: doesn't like wearing headsets when I'm playing games. So it's
Speaker 2: just the thing where it's like, oh, you see someone
Speaker 2: in the distance or someone in the same building as you,
Speaker 2: you just unmute. You're like, hey, I'm a friend, Like no, yeah,
Speaker 2: go ahead, there's some loop back there. Okay, cool, see
Speaker 2: all right, don't shoot, you know, like and then new
Speaker 2: mute again. So it's it's really really good.
Speaker 1: For that yeah again.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you will have like you know, doing a trios thing.
Speaker 2: You run into another trio and then it's all six
Speaker 2: of you fighting against some huge you know, this ambastion creature,
Speaker 2: this mother like all these these leapers, these big robots
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, and it's you know, it's the
Speaker 2: best case of like emergent gameplay I feel, where it's
Speaker 2: like everyone's kind of getting their own stories and it's
Speaker 2: really unlike things you would see and like, you know,
Speaker 2: a pubg a Fortnite, a hell divers. You know, you
Speaker 2: see something, you're shooting it. It's it's more nuanced here
Speaker 2: in a really cool way.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the social experimentation there is like the compelling thing.
Speaker 1: I think technically the ability to do that and escape
Speaker 1: from Tarkov exists, but I would say percentage wise ninety
Speaker 1: percent of the time in Tarkov you're you're fighting the
Speaker 1: other people, like right away. The fact that they created
Speaker 1: this game in this world in which it kind of
Speaker 1: you can that's an option to be not pacifist, but
Speaker 1: like team up is really cool, and yeah, that's I agree.
Speaker 1: I think this is it's a pretty accessible take on
Speaker 1: the genre, especially compared to some of the more hardcore ones. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I can't tell you the amount of times of like
Speaker 2: turn to bonk and be like wow, I've never had
Speaker 2: an experience like that where it's like me and Bank
Speaker 2: will be playing together and we'll run into like another
Speaker 2: couple and we'll just like be like, oh shit, are
Speaker 2: we about to die? And then we talked for a
Speaker 2: second and then we're like, oh, now we're just kind
Speaker 2: of working together and stuff and like oh cool. Then
Speaker 2: we go our separate ways and everything's like, that's fucking cool.
Speaker 2: I've never had anything quite like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, gamifying trust is a really cool thing or distrust,
Speaker 1: like the I guess among us sort of traded on
Speaker 1: that when it was blowing up in a different way
Speaker 1: in a social, like purely social situation. This the array
Speaker 1: of objectives that you have to complete or the options
Speaker 1: to complete, and like the a number of factors that
Speaker 1: can happen once you do team up can just make
Speaker 1: the tension either escalate or they can maybe mitigate it
Speaker 1: in some respects because then you get through a bunch
Speaker 1: of tough fights, but you still have to extract with
Speaker 1: those people, and sometimes that at the end is like.
Speaker 2: Of just there, like yeah, you all have guns, you're
Speaker 2: all just waiting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can get like a genuine I felt a
Speaker 1: genuine sense of betrayal playing that game with just a stranger. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like it's like, oh okay, it makes Journey look
Speaker 1: like infantile and restaurant on joking, but it's a similar
Speaker 1: thing where it's like you can have a meaningful experience
Speaker 1: with someone and then if they fuck you over at
Speaker 1: the end, it genuinely I'm like, I thought we.
Speaker 2: Had something I don't like them as a person. Yeah,
Speaker 2: to be.
Speaker 1: Clear, I have been that the person betraying people fuck
Speaker 1: you no, mainly to like see how it worked at
Speaker 1: the beginning.
Speaker 2: If there were one thing I would criticize it for,
Speaker 2: it's that in a genre that I've heard is mostly
Speaker 2: about getting loot and hanging on to it and getting
Speaker 2: better loot, it's I find that, like I'm constantly just
Speaker 2: having to deal with inventory management and like I don't know,
Speaker 2: I've got a million fucking pieces of plastic and rubber
Speaker 2: and metal and wires and tubes, and it's like I'm
Speaker 2: not super sure what I need to you know, like
Speaker 2: there's certain obvious things to level up, and you can
Speaker 2: level up your guns and your kind of work benches
Speaker 2: and all that stuff, and there's certain quest tied to things.
Speaker 2: So like there's some obvious ones, and it's got smart
Speaker 2: stuff with like tracking certain things you need in the field.
Speaker 2: But ultimately I've spent a lot of time just looking
Speaker 2: at a grid of shit and like old metal and
Speaker 2: rubber and being like I just want to get rid
Speaker 2: How do I just clear up more space here?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: What can I get rid of? So that stuff is
Speaker 2: kind of laborious in between, but I don't know the
Speaker 2: special moments while you're you know, in the shit are
Speaker 2: worth it.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I don't want to forgive it for
Speaker 1: the inventory just by just because that is a big
Speaker 1: thing in extraction shooters. Because I agree, I do think
Speaker 1: they a lot of the new I think a lot
Speaker 1: of the loop could be more interesting, more like compelling,
Speaker 1: just on at face at first glance, and I would
Speaker 1: say like they do have some good quality of life
Speaker 1: things for sure, in terms of of how to rearrange
Speaker 1: your inventory and stacking certain items and whatnot, but they
Speaker 1: still definitely have a waste to go with that, because yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not are you playing mouse and keyboard or controller?
Speaker 2: Me to myself, I'm mainly playing on PS five, but
Speaker 2: I cried a little bit of PC. It's kind of
Speaker 2: I kind of been doing a little mouse and keyboard
Speaker 2: for inventory management and I switched to control.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the actual game. That's what I was going to recommend,
Speaker 1: because like on PC, those games are so much more
Speaker 1: doable between the actual runs because you're you can just
Speaker 1: click and drag stuff right click, left click, et cetera. Scroll.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Time tails all is time that I
Speaker 1: think keyboard mouse are better for that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: But which to go back, I'm very excited to hear
Speaker 2: what you think once the Steam machine and controller come out,
Speaker 2: because that, like that was the best like mouse on
Speaker 2: a TV experience I've ever had by a long shot.
Speaker 1: Oh, speaking of that, I tried the mouse mode of
Speaker 1: a switch to. I did not love it. It's I
Speaker 1: don't know when I would actually just use that, Like
Speaker 1: I'm not going to play Cyberpunk or I'm not gonna.
Speaker 2: Play Metric Prime. It's the thing where you know, by
Speaker 2: the time Switch Too is done, there will be seven
Speaker 2: games that fucking utilize it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: One of them was Mario Paint on Nso you know it's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, But that's good to hear that.
Speaker 3: The is it an accessibility thing where it's opening it
Speaker 3: up for.
Speaker 4: It could be in other ways to utilize it.
Speaker 3: To me, like that has value right for other people
Speaker 3: to be able to be able to play in different ways.
Speaker 3: I just don't see a good reason that I would
Speaker 3: use it.
Speaker 2: I thought with the Switch Too. I've thought about it
Speaker 2: in that like I think it'd be cool like on
Speaker 2: a plane and if I want to play Metroid and
Speaker 2: like set it up, you know, use the kickstand on
Speaker 2: the tray and then play with mouse and keyboard. I
Speaker 2: would at least try that, but I could also see
Speaker 2: myself doing it for fifteen minutes and being like, oh,
Speaker 2: play with controller.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what world it would be more
Speaker 1: than a gimmick.
Speaker 2: Yeah for me, but dragon Drag. We're all playing drag
Speaker 2: and drive esports, right, wheelchair basketball?
Speaker 1: No are you playing that? No, no one's playing it.
Speaker 4: But we are playing Simpsons Fortnite.
Speaker 1: Yeah, married did you check this out or just no?
Speaker 3: But I'm curious. Oh, because obviously it's Simpson's I know
Speaker 3: it's just gonna make funy transition.
Speaker 1: No, I didn't have a transition, Dan.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like really curious about it because I love
Speaker 3: the Simpsons game and I always thought that the Simpsons.
Speaker 4: Is such a good Uh.
Speaker 3: It's just a really it's a really good thing to
Speaker 3: have as a video game format because it's so playful
Speaker 3: and stupid. But I don't know how they did.
Speaker 2: It historically, Like they have really run the gamut between
Speaker 2: like some of the worst games I've ever played are
Speaker 2: Simpsons games and then like some pretty good experiences. I
Speaker 2: won't say, like I don't think there's an all time
Speaker 2: great since like the Arcade game. Yes, everyone has fun
Speaker 2: experiences of I don't know, you play with Infinite Quarters
Speaker 2: or whatever. Un Free played it's.
Speaker 4: The pretty base one, the driving one.
Speaker 2: So that's the hit and run. I never went all
Speaker 2: the way through it, I know. I don't know why
Speaker 2: I didn't. Like, I loved it was in game PPS
Speaker 2: two and every I just never played it, I guess
Speaker 2: not Virtual Bart Bart versus Space Mutants, all these things.
Speaker 2: Even the Simpsons game for the movie, like Virtual Bart
Speaker 2: had the egg throwing thing, that tomato thing was good,
Speaker 2: but like I always wanted to love Simpsons games more
Speaker 2: than I did. I remember there was a PC game
Speaker 2: called Virtual Springfield, and I hesitated to even call it
Speaker 2: a game. It came on a CD that looked like
Speaker 2: a Homer donut and you put it in and it
Speaker 2: was just the most fucking like mid to late nineties
Speaker 2: CD ROM thing of just kind of like it wasn't FMV.
Speaker 2: It was just you could kind of walk through Springfield
Speaker 2: like it was a mist game or something, and just
Speaker 2: the idea of like exploring that space that I loved
Speaker 2: so much from the show, being like, oh wow, I
Speaker 2: never thought about how like, to get from the Simpsons
Speaker 2: house to most Haven you had to go down here.
Speaker 2: I didn't know this was by hero. Oh that's what
Speaker 2: the nuclear plant is. And I get to walk around
Speaker 2: like that was such a novelty and I feel like, again,
Speaker 2: not having played a Hit and Run or road Rage
Speaker 2: or whatever, I had never really experienced that in the
Speaker 2: game as well as Fortnite. Here it's Fortnite. First of all,
Speaker 2: the opening, like when the you know, the bus is
Speaker 2: going through, it's the full on Simpsons going through the
Speaker 2: clouds thing, but it says like Battle Royale and you
Speaker 2: drop down out of the it's duff is slurp in this.
Speaker 2: But all the logo and everything looks the same, and
Speaker 2: it's just okay, Well, there's the power plant, there's Burns's mansion,
Speaker 2: there's downtown, there's the Jebediah Springfield in the City Hall
Speaker 2: and everything. Here's Evergreen Terrace and Flanders House and everything.
Speaker 2: It's just so fucking cool and like, visually it all
Speaker 2: looks incredible. It all looks just like it looks like
Speaker 2: the Simpsons, but you're also you know, you're playing a
Speaker 2: solid snake and running into Flanders's house and fucking Goku
Speaker 2: comes in you gotta shoot him with a gun. It's
Speaker 2: just insane fever dream that I can't help but laugh at.
Speaker 2: But also it's Fortnite, so it's a really good fucking game.
Speaker 3: And they do can you go in the house?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, you go into the house? Isn't Yeah,
Speaker 2: you can go into the house, And like you can
Speaker 2: go up to the Simpsons couch and press X and
Speaker 2: you're sitting on the couch. So I was solid snake
Speaker 2: sitting on the couch with Kayla who is vegeta and
Speaker 2: we're doing like a couch gag together, and like Marge
Speaker 2: is walking around. You can talk to them and get
Speaker 2: missions from them, and there's so many gags, like the
Speaker 2: people who worked on this so clearly understood, you know,
Speaker 2: the Simpsons and everything where it's like it's I'm sure
Speaker 2: there are a million gags and stuff that happened in
Speaker 2: seasons twelve through fucking six hundred whatever they're on now,
Speaker 2: but it's going for the ones where it's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: you see a rake on the ground and it's like,
Speaker 2: I bet they do the thing, and then you walk
Speaker 2: up and the rake happens, and it's like all these
Speaker 2: little bits and jokes and everything, and Blinky the Three
Speaker 2: Eyed Fish is one of the items that gives you
Speaker 2: a boost and stuff, and like yeah, yeah, so yeah.
Speaker 2: Instead of Doff, it's just Slurp. So you get like
Speaker 2: six packs of Slurp and stuff like that and it
Speaker 2: gives you boosts and it's just incredibly well put together
Speaker 2: stuff that like, as a Fortnite fan, this all works
Speaker 2: great as a Battle Royale game, and as a Simpsons fan,
Speaker 2: it is such a good love letter to the Simpsons. Like,
Speaker 2: it's hard to say that it's not the best Simpsons
Speaker 2: video game experience ever. Again, I haven't played Hit and Run,
Speaker 2: but it's it's it's perfect. It's so much better and
Speaker 2: bigger in scope than I could have expected. The whole
Speaker 2: fucking map is just spring.
Speaker 1: Here's my question. I don't know if you two like
Speaker 1: have a definitive answer. My impression is that the crossover
Speaker 1: between Simpsons fans and Fortnite demographics would would not have
Speaker 1: been that.
Speaker 2: Huge, right because the Simpsons isn't really hot now and fortant.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just surprised. Like everybody talked to you
Speaker 1: says the same same thing. It's like super faithful and
Speaker 1: like just packed to the brim with Easter egg kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. But like someone was saying, maybe it's like
Speaker 1: you know, like.
Speaker 2: Well the children even know the That's the thing I've
Speaker 2: been thinking about with Fortnite a lot, is that, like, yes,
Speaker 2: they do have modern stuff where they'll have Sabrina Carpenter
Speaker 2: or K Pop Demon Hunters or something in there, so
Speaker 2: they're smart about that, but also you look at how
Speaker 2: much shit that is, Like here's Ellen Ripley from Alien,
Speaker 2: Here's the Terminator, here's the Simpsons, here's like, you know,
Speaker 2: fucking Mark Hamill from the original trilogy. It's they kind
Speaker 2: of are casting a wide net here, and I think
Speaker 2: somebody derive for me that, like, oh, it's a lot
Speaker 2: of people that own these ips of like old classic
Speaker 2: sci fi action whatever things. It's like, this is a
Speaker 2: way to introduce kids into this old Yeah.
Speaker 1: You automatically get like cool points just by being in
Speaker 1: for a punt right night, I feel like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like but also modern current things again, K
Speaker 2: Pop Demon Hunters huge, they're in there.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, it really is a kind of staggering achievement
Speaker 2: what they've done with this game. The fact that it
Speaker 2: is still a really good video game, and it is
Speaker 2: just objectively the wildest roster of IP in video game history.
Speaker 2: It's like not even fucking cloakse you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I've I've heard the same thing. I've heard
Speaker 1: people who they're like I was talking to Bert's he
Speaker 1: was playing it and showing his daughter because like he
Speaker 1: understood all the references. I don't know the her knowledge
Speaker 1: of the Simpsons, but I also imagine there's a decent
Speaker 1: amount of parents that are like showing their kids stuff
Speaker 1: in there too, which is kind of cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean yeah, Ellen Ripley and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: That'd be so cool. Like a kid who's like kind
Speaker 2: of getting into sci fi or horror something. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: oh that's from Alien. Do you want to see that? Yeah,
Speaker 2: unless you're Jeff Backler and you don't let your kids
Speaker 2: see anything cool until he turns thirty.
Speaker 1: Oh is that happening?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, ja Yeah, his son's like a twenty four
Speaker 2: year old hockey player and he can't see Jaws.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really Yeah.
Speaker 4: Jaws, that's just a rite of passage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the coolest movie you can see when you're six,
Speaker 2: And you should see when you're six.
Speaker 1: I haven't thirty four, and it's still one of my
Speaker 1: top five movies all the time. And I said, yeah, yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I have this conversation frequently with him. It's insane. Is
Speaker 1: Backlar a shitty dad?
Speaker 2: He's a bad person, I think first and foremost. And
Speaker 2: I think that translates to the dad thing. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: you haven't even met a son. It sounds a I've
Speaker 2: met him a handful of times. Oh really? Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: so we play hockey together? How much it's missing from
Speaker 2: your house after he showed up?
Speaker 1: No? Wait, have I told you the story when they
Speaker 1: came over a couple of years ago? What do you do?
Speaker 1: They all three of them came over and they were
Speaker 1: in our kitchen for like, you know, you guys have
Speaker 1: been in my apartment. The kitchen is kind of the
Speaker 1: first place you go. Not ten seconds in, we're we're
Speaker 1: starting to catch up, like barely, like took a few
Speaker 1: breaths to catch up, and he just goes, I'm bored
Speaker 1: back and show them where the window?
Speaker 4: Yeah give him a yo yo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the funniest thing. I wasn't even mad.
Speaker 1: I was just like, this is hilarious.
Speaker 3: He's just into this ball and cup. Now, yeah, you
Speaker 3: gotta give him something.
Speaker 1: Not ball and cup but ball x pit. Mary, Oh god,
Speaker 1: I'm fucking it's pretty good. It's the cinnamon orange clove
Speaker 1: tea I drank.
Speaker 3: That's not alcohol. Ball x Pit is a game I
Speaker 3: heard other people talking about, and so I was like,
Speaker 3: I am susceptible to impressionism. I needed to know about
Speaker 3: this game.
Speaker 4: I think I got influence.
Speaker 1: Okay, gotcha interesting.
Speaker 3: I don't think impressionism is the right use of that word,
Speaker 3: but I got a ball pit.
Speaker 4: This is a.
Speaker 3: Vampire Survivors meets Balls with a Z. If you ever
Speaker 3: played that on your phone?
Speaker 4: Balls with a Z?
Speaker 2: Wait, you're not talking about balls three D for the
Speaker 2: Second Genesis and Superintendo?
Speaker 1: Are you?
Speaker 2: Balls three D with a Z?
Speaker 1: Wait? Are a phone game? Ripping up balls three D?
Speaker 2: I don't know now, ball I recognize what balls with
Speaker 2: a Z.
Speaker 4: Balls with a Z is a phone act.
Speaker 1: I forgot about balls.
Speaker 3: A ball balls coming at you, and you wanted to
Speaker 3: ricochet and hit as many balls as possible and the
Speaker 3: more that it hits. Kind of like brick Breaker.
Speaker 4: But like, okay, it's a bit more.
Speaker 3: Strategic. I feel like brick breakers just like, hurry up
Speaker 3: and shoot?
Speaker 2: Uh more than balls? Three D The Battle of the Balls.
Speaker 3: I'm yeah, more than the balls THREDY the Battle of
Speaker 3: the Balls.
Speaker 1: With a Z. It's with a Z. I I'm having
Speaker 1: one of those moments where I I know for one
Speaker 1: hundred for a fact that I have not accessed this
Speaker 1: wrinkle in my brain in probably thirty years. Is I
Speaker 1: don't think something yes from or yeah. I don't know
Speaker 1: what emotion this is. There's got to be a German
Speaker 1: phrase for it. Sorry, but ball x pit.
Speaker 3: Okay, so half Vampire Survivors, half brick breaker balls, phone balls,
Speaker 3: phone balls. So you are auto shooting. You can turn
Speaker 3: it off into like manual shooting. But I don't know
Speaker 3: why you would do that. Well, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: And so auto shooting. As you collect the balls from
Speaker 3: the things that you have killed, you level up with
Speaker 3: three options. This is very Vampire Survivors, right, And then
Speaker 3: you continue to shoot. But the macayx of the pit
Speaker 3: is what's interesting is like they're constantly shooting stuff at
Speaker 3: you and you have to again strategically try and get
Speaker 3: it in an area where the ball is just going
Speaker 3: to go crazy and bounce back and forth.
Speaker 4: All inside of this space.
Speaker 3: Doing that is like.
Speaker 4: Quite rewarding and feels really good.
Speaker 3: And then for some other reason, when you've finished the
Speaker 3: game and beaten it, and that feels really good. When
Speaker 3: you get all the way to the end and you've
Speaker 3: killed the ball. I think there's two mini bosses that
Speaker 3: you complete, whether different challenges. It ends in a boss fight.
Speaker 2: It's a timeline on the side that shows you correct.
Speaker 3: That tells you when you're complaint, and when you finally
Speaker 3: beat it, and that felt really good. It unlocks new levels,
Speaker 3: new characters. That's what's actually interesting about it. It's not
Speaker 3: just beating the game. It's beating the game on like
Speaker 3: different character sets that are a lot more difficult, on
Speaker 3: different terrain sets that are difficult. And then it has
Speaker 3: another area that's just straight up farming, and that was
Speaker 3: very different to me, and I was very shocked by this.
Speaker 3: You like unlock spaces, you plant stuff like wheat and stone,
Speaker 3: you know, plant stone, but you I don't have to
Speaker 3: I don't have to explain myself to you, sweet and
Speaker 3: wood and stone. And then you send your little brick
Speaker 3: breaker guys out on an angle and they they farm.
Speaker 2: It's like there's a timer for like your your farm
Speaker 2: or your harvesting time and stuff like that. So like
Speaker 2: there are ways that you can like, Okay, I need
Speaker 2: to get a bunch of weeks, so I'm gonna make
Speaker 2: this corridor here and they're back here. And yeah, I
Speaker 2: really liked that idea. I thought that was a fun thing, cause,
Speaker 2: like I really did like just the the actual like missions,
Speaker 2: like the arcade style, just because they do clever things
Speaker 2: with that. Like there's the one character that's the two
Speaker 2: characters and they kind of like miror each other's balls
Speaker 2: and they.
Speaker 3: Silhouette and there's one person that only shoots balls from
Speaker 3: the back, and so you're constantly where you're aiming is
Speaker 3: actually backwards because everything shoots from the behind of the game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's got that Vampire Survivors thing where it's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I've got this build going where it's like I've got
Speaker 2: these ghost balls that like will go through things, and
Speaker 2: so I'm when I try to get all these things,
Speaker 2: like of all different powers together that work together. Well.
Speaker 2: So it's very Vampire Survivors in that way, which I'm
Speaker 2: a huge sucker for. And I do like base building
Speaker 2: stuff too, and I like Rogue Light stuff, so like
Speaker 2: it was saying all the right stuff for me, and
Speaker 2: then when I got to the base building stuff. I
Speaker 2: still like this game a lot, but the base building
Speaker 2: thing just didn't. I was I've never gotten excited about
Speaker 2: it when I got back, like I think a great
Speaker 2: Rogue Light is like you know, a Hades or something.
Speaker 2: Where I get back to the hub and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: let me go, like who can.
Speaker 1: I talk to? What can I cash in? What can
Speaker 1: I upgrade here?
Speaker 5: This?
Speaker 2: When I get back and I'm like, I guess I'll
Speaker 2: put a week thing here and then I'll bounce them
Speaker 2: around like it's I did not love the in between
Speaker 2: stuff in this game.
Speaker 3: I don't care for the in between either. I think
Speaker 3: it's an interesting choice and it's nice that they're testing
Speaker 3: it out every time you see another Vampire Survivor esque game,
Speaker 3: and I do think this is the most different of
Speaker 3: the Vampire Survivors they've They've made so many Vampire Survivors,
Speaker 3: but this is a very different take on it. I
Speaker 3: got really excited by all the ideas here. They're trying
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff, and a lot of it works
Speaker 3: and some of it doesn't. I don't think, in my opinion,
Speaker 3: that the farming works. I don't get excited about it,
Speaker 3: and I don't want to do it, but I think
Speaker 3: it's a neat test. I also think some of the binding,
Speaker 3: so when you choose two different items you can merge
Speaker 3: them into like a super item, some of them are
Speaker 3: just so much better than others. It's really hard to
Speaker 3: not be tempted to go with the same build each time,
Speaker 3: because certain builds are just freaking insane and other ones
Speaker 3: I think are a little bit more blase. I have
Speaker 3: a lot more to play with it. I think I've
Speaker 3: only unlocked like ten or so characters and five different lands,
Speaker 3: maybe four different lands, So I'd really like to play
Speaker 3: a little bit more of it. But I will say,
Speaker 3: like when it comes to Vampire Survivors, I would have
Speaker 3: liked to see.
Speaker 4: More like fucking insane shit on the screen.
Speaker 3: Obviously, ball x Pit does get to be fantastic on screen,
Speaker 3: but you're never it's never as crazy as Vampire Survivors were.
Speaker 3: Like every square inch of that screen is an arrow
Speaker 3: or like a dart or some magical force field. This
Speaker 3: is just like you're shooting balls wildly at the screen
Speaker 3: and hoping that they kill all of your enemies through
Speaker 3: their bouncing.
Speaker 4: It's very satisfying.
Speaker 1: Nevertheless, did you play Megabok.
Speaker 3: No, but I have watched people play megabunk on Twitch,
Speaker 3: so I know what that one.
Speaker 1: Is as well.
Speaker 2: I think it's one of my favorites the year. I
Speaker 2: think what you're feeling it is. I think if you
Speaker 2: try it, it's another one of those cheap ones too.
Speaker 2: I think it's like, yeah, it's less than ten bucks, yea,
Speaker 2: marry you.
Speaker 4: But it looks like it's less than ten bucks, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like playing it like it's it really is
Speaker 2: probably my favorite. Vampire Survivors, Like, I love it. I
Speaker 2: think you should check it out for a Game of
Speaker 2: the Year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I'm loving the general fact that that's becoming
Speaker 1: like a genre into its genres.
Speaker 4: Vampire Survivors.
Speaker 3: Yeah, auto shooters are interesting and the ability to like
Speaker 3: push the limits of what you think games should be
Speaker 3: able to do. Like, remember the first time you played
Speaker 3: Vampire Survivors there was just so.
Speaker 4: Much shit on the screen. You were like, I think
Speaker 4: I broke it.
Speaker 3: And it's just fun to have that control in a game,
Speaker 3: even if it's intended it doesn't feel like it. I
Speaker 3: feel like Megabonk gives you that vibe as well, where
Speaker 3: it's like you shouldn't be able to do this, but
Speaker 3: it it lets you break it.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but yeah yeah, Mary play Mega Bonk. It's
Speaker 1: very good. Okay, I'm going to try ball x Pig
Speaker 1: download it. Dan, you also played MK Legacy Collection.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just fucking love Mortal Kombat. It's I think
Speaker 2: mount rushmore of video game series that have like changed
Speaker 2: my life. I think it is Mario Medal Year, Zelda,
Speaker 2: and Mortal Kombat. And so for someone like me, it
Speaker 2: just loves the history of this game and all of
Speaker 2: its weird lore and weird characters and everything. And like
Speaker 2: the era that this focuses on is extremely just the
Speaker 2: sweet spot for me. Like I have been into it
Speaker 2: from the beginning, including like the more recent ones and
Speaker 2: the PS two era and all that stuff, but like
Speaker 2: this era of it becoming like the biggest thing on
Speaker 2: the planet was what fascinated me the most.
Speaker 1: It's ninety two to three, so first game one, wait, wait,
Speaker 1: this this collection, well, it's like well, I mean when
Speaker 1: I think Tournament Edition, well.
Speaker 2: I mean there are some like GVA ones on there
Speaker 2: or anything, but that those are kind of more like
Speaker 2: Easter Egg, like they've got special forces and mythologies, and
Speaker 2: those are kind of like bonus add ons. I think
Speaker 2: the important ones to me are from Mortal Kombat one,
Speaker 2: Who Ultimate, Mortal Kombat three, and then Mortal kom about
Speaker 2: four I kind of fell off because it went away
Speaker 2: from the digitized actors and went into three D and
Speaker 2: at that point, Virtual Fighter Tech and other things like
Speaker 2: that were just more interesting games. But the documentary so well,
Speaker 2: first I'll touch on the game stuff real quick. It
Speaker 2: is it's incredible, like the amount of stuff you can
Speaker 2: do in terms of like going into the individual games
Speaker 2: and saying, like Unlimited Fatality Timer, you can have the
Speaker 2: move list on the screen, which like that was always
Speaker 2: like one of the things that made Mortal Kombat harder
Speaker 2: to just pick up and play with someone who hadn't
Speaker 2: played before, is you just constantly be looking at a
Speaker 2: move list if someone didn't know, Like, sure, I know
Speaker 2: all of sub Zero's moves, but if I'm playing against
Speaker 2: a friend that like doesn't know, okay, well this is
Speaker 2: down forward whatever, But having it on the screen the
Speaker 2: whole time helps a ton all the different CRT filters
Speaker 2: and arcade filters and Save States and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: It just makes it a fatality trainers and all this stuff.
Speaker 2: It just it's a great way to just take in
Speaker 2: everything these games offered back then. But the thing I've
Speaker 2: really been diving into the last few days is the
Speaker 2: documentary stuff. And this is Digital Eclipse who did like
Speaker 2: you know, the Atari fifty stuff that is like a
Speaker 2: really really cool way of I don't want to say
Speaker 2: it's a gamifying a documentary because there's not much of
Speaker 2: a game to it. It's just like a timeline. It's
Speaker 2: an interactive timeline that you can go between and like
Speaker 2: scroll through you know, original drawings of like here's the
Speaker 2: initial concepts for these characters. Here's the first notes about
Speaker 2: you know who Sonia could be. There's cool like this
Speaker 2: one clip I saw last night was incredible of you know,
Speaker 2: the scorpion spear and the get over here thing is
Speaker 2: like the most iconic move in Mortal Kombat history. And
Speaker 2: there's literally footage of the actor I think it was
Speaker 2: Daniel Piscina playing a scorpion and Ed Boone, this twenty
Speaker 2: sentthing year old Ed Boone. It's like, you know what
Speaker 2: would be fucking cool. What if you like threw out
Speaker 2: like you had a spear and it had like a
Speaker 2: rope on the end of it, and then you like
Speaker 2: pull him towards like you see the moment that ed
Speaker 2: Boone thought like, oh shit, this would be sweet, and
Speaker 2: then you see scorpion and full scorpion gears like okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: and then he does the fucking movement that you know,
Speaker 2: like it for something like me, it's like this is
Speaker 2: the coolest shit. And so I've just been like ravenously
Speaker 2: devouring all this documentary stuff and every photo and note
Speaker 2: and flyer and all this stuff. And I realized now,
Speaker 2: like Ben Hansen is for a fucking fifteen years been
Speaker 2: yelling at me to watch all these documentaries and stuff
Speaker 2: and his Double Fine stuff and all that shit, and
Speaker 2: like I've always been like, I'm not interested. I'm not interested,
Speaker 2: I don't care, I'm not interested. Turns out it just
Speaker 2: has to be about a game I care about. I
Speaker 2: don't get a shit about games. I fucking love Mortal Kombat,
Speaker 2: and watching this is like the most fascinating treasure trove
Speaker 2: of Like it's I have not seen it behind the
Speaker 2: scenes thing like this that has hit me like this,
Speaker 2: like I I all watch yeah, yeah, ah.
Speaker 1: No, It's what I wouldn't give to like have something
Speaker 1: like that for Zelda. Oh it would never happen. I
Speaker 1: realized that's pipe dream, but like that'd be unreal to see,
Speaker 1: like the moment when they figure out the hook shot.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah. But this is there's something really there's
Speaker 2: there's there's a less cliche way to put this in
Speaker 2: like a punk type thing, but like it's just a
Speaker 2: bunch of fucking twenty somethings in an office in Chicago
Speaker 2: and they were in the nineties and they were kind
Speaker 2: of giving carp blanche to like you know, like they
Speaker 2: keep talking to these documentaries, like nobody was really telling
Speaker 2: us what to do. Like they were just like come
Speaker 2: in and be like cool, keep it up. And so
Speaker 2: like these guys just like they had one arcade cabinet
Speaker 2: and yeah, and like the Kevin they came in and
Speaker 2: they thought they were worried about the fatalities and stuff.
Speaker 2: They're like, oh, it might be going too far here,
Speaker 2: and like the mid guys would come in and be
Speaker 2: like sweet, it's like something.
Speaker 1: It was just such a cool for everybody wanted a handy.
Speaker 2: Corporate medaling and all that and everything. It was just
Speaker 2: a bunch of cool fucking dudes that grew up on
Speaker 2: the same ship and they wanted to put all their
Speaker 2: cool influences into a game, and they made one of
Speaker 2: the coolest things ever. And it is such a time
Speaker 2: capsule that made something so so special. And watching this
Speaker 2: you can tell how much passion these guys had for
Speaker 2: it and how much fun they had making it, which always
Speaker 2: came through in the games. Like I, you know, without
Speaker 2: ever seeing any of this behind the scenes stuff, you
Speaker 2: play Mortal Kombat games and you're like, these guys are
Speaker 2: having fucking fun. And it's so cool that so many
Speaker 2: of those guys from this footage from nineteen ninety one
Speaker 2: are still at nether Realm now. And I think that's
Speaker 2: a big reason. Like Hi, Yeah, like Mortal Kombat has
Speaker 2: like had like it never had, you know, it has
Speaker 2: games I like more than others and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: And I don't love the DC one or whatever, but
Speaker 2: like it never stopped feeling like Mortal Kombat. And it's
Speaker 2: like because even as it grew, it was still these
Speaker 2: guys that made this game and kept that DNA the
Speaker 2: same way throughout and like it's just I've always loved
Speaker 2: Mortal Kombat. This is making me love it even more.
Speaker 2: It's it's a fantastic collection.
Speaker 4: I love the behind the scenes stuff.
Speaker 3: I think that's really cool to to get that kind
Speaker 3: of lore and that background of the people who love
Speaker 3: this uh just made this game what it is and
Speaker 3: to see them care that deeply about it in a
Speaker 3: game very fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I uh. That's like one of my favorite things
Speaker 1: about Command and Conquer Remastered collection. They had so much
Speaker 1: that behind the scenes stuff. I love the museum aspects
Speaker 1: of these remasters, these collections. It's it's awesome. I want
Speaker 1: more people to do it.
Speaker 2: But you'll frequently see this stuff where it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: here's some concept art or whatever, like you know, oh,
Speaker 2: make a man legacy collection, Like here's a drawing of Cutman.
Speaker 1: You know, Oh no, don't have ass it.
Speaker 2: This is like digital Clips goes nuts with this stuff,
Speaker 2: and it is so in depth and like even just
Speaker 2: little things like oh, from the timeline of the Mortal
Speaker 2: Kombat two documentaries. You can like press a button and
Speaker 2: start playing Mortal Kombat two and you can play play
Speaker 2: the arcade version you want to play the Superintendent version,
Speaker 2: you want to play, the game Boy version, do you
Speaker 2: want to play? Like, it's just all of these different
Speaker 2: versions of these games. It's it's cool, it's it's I
Speaker 2: love it.
Speaker 3: So what about online?
Speaker 2: I haven't. I haven't played a single online game yet.
Speaker 2: I you know, honestly, for me, it's fighting it.
Speaker 4: That's a reason, just like Mortal Kombat is so much
Speaker 4: about like competing.
Speaker 2: But to me, I kind of push back on that
Speaker 2: because like, to me, I was never a hardcore fighting
Speaker 2: game guy, and I knew even back then that the
Speaker 2: hardcore fighting game guys went towards Street Fighter, And I
Speaker 2: also think Street Fighter is a better mechanical fighting series
Speaker 2: than Mortal Kombat is. But it was the personality of
Speaker 2: Mortal Kombat. It was just the super over the top
Speaker 2: nature of the fatality. But they it was so fucking silly.
Speaker 2: But they also took their stories like seriously. They played
Speaker 2: it straight like it's the most ridiculous fucking story. But
Speaker 2: the lore is actually kind of fun to follow. So
Speaker 2: I think that's what made me draw in to it.
Speaker 2: It wasn't about like I'm going to be the best
Speaker 2: Mortal Kombat player and learn all these like highlight level
Speaker 2: you know, fighting esport moves or whatever. It was just like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, some zero is cool, you know. So
Speaker 2: that's what drew me to Mortal Combat more than the
Speaker 2: hardcore fighting game.
Speaker 1: You know, Mary, what is Henry Halfhead?
Speaker 4: This is a quick one. It's a puzzler game.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: You play as Henry.
Speaker 7: You do have half of a head, and you can
Speaker 7: embody a object and then become it, and then you
Speaker 7: use that to solve puzzles.
Speaker 2: So one of the very operator talks the entire time.
Speaker 3: There is a narrator. I didn't care for that. But
Speaker 3: I actually did play this game on my steam deck
Speaker 3: while watching TV, so I actually didn't have the audio on.
Speaker 2: It's probably smart, yeah, because like the idea of like
Speaker 2: inhabiting all these different things is kind of fun, but
Speaker 2: it was I kind of tapped out when every I
Speaker 2: thought it was just like a tutorial. Oh Henry, he.
Speaker 1: Liked playing with his ball, He's playing Shut the fuck up,
Speaker 1: just let me play the game went sleepy by. It's like,
Speaker 1: oh I hate this. It sounds like Bash, but they're
Speaker 1: narrating like boring stuff.
Speaker 2: I had really different.
Speaker 3: Experiences excited that.
Speaker 1: The audio on Shut the Up.
Speaker 3: It's my God, I was just messing around with it
Speaker 3: like it would. It has all these puzzles where it'll
Speaker 3: be like make a party, and so you're I'm I'm
Speaker 3: inhabiting a plate and setting the table, I'm inhabiting candles
Speaker 3: and putting them on a cake. I'm inhabiting a match
Speaker 3: and lighting myself and then lighting the birthday cake. And
Speaker 3: when I did that, I threw a party and I
Speaker 3: was like, that's so cute. This is a cute, little
Speaker 3: simple puzzler. But I actually never really listened to the game,
Speaker 3: so that would be very annoying.
Speaker 2: It is that like that did annoy me, but like
Speaker 2: also like the puzzles, and I played maybe like an
Speaker 2: hour or so of it. It's sure everything was just
Speaker 2: the most obviously okay, now gotta it's like you realize
Speaker 2: them too. So it's like I gotta put the candles
Speaker 2: on the cake. And then it's like fucking three minutes
Speaker 2: of like I'm rolling the candle over. Okay, let's get
Speaker 2: the candle. Okay. Now it's like it's the puzzles weren't
Speaker 2: really doing it for me either, Like it had a
Speaker 2: good look to it and everything it.
Speaker 3: Has a cute look to it. I think the pet
Speaker 3: puzzles are simple. I think that's super fair to say.
Speaker 3: I think it's cute.
Speaker 4: I think it's it's probably more for like younger kids.
Speaker 2: I think said his daughters were liking it, so I think.
Speaker 1: This just had like a.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a young vibe to it.
Speaker 4: It's very simple.
Speaker 3: The the art style is so cute and adorable, and
Speaker 3: I think it's thoughtful in that sense. But I also
Speaker 3: did not.
Speaker 4: Play it probably more than three hout.
Speaker 3: I think I played it one evening for three hours,
Speaker 3: and I thought that that's nice, and I never went
Speaker 3: back to it.
Speaker 1: Yep, if you're six and listen, Hey, hey, any listeners
Speaker 1: that yeah listening, asshole? Yeah, let's luminess arise. You don't
Speaker 1: know what now?
Speaker 2: Oh you god, damn fool? What is it?
Speaker 1: You don't know? Luminous? No listen.
Speaker 2: The PSP, the PlayStation Portable is a dog shit system,
Speaker 2: but Luminous almost made it worth it. Luminous is a
Speaker 2: puzzle game. When I say puzzle game means a lot
Speaker 2: of things, it is like more on the side of
Speaker 2: like blocks and grids and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: It is.
Speaker 2: It's got this element of kind of I don't want
Speaker 2: to say rhythm, but more like timing, Like there is
Speaker 2: a timeline that goes across the screen and it kind
Speaker 2: of like clears things out as the timeline passes things.
Speaker 2: So if you get a two by two grid of
Speaker 2: the same color like every you're always dealing with two
Speaker 2: different colors or two different items, Like I just did
Speaker 2: one that's like ice blocks and taxi cabs and stuff.
Speaker 2: And I see Mary bobbing her head right now.
Speaker 3: Because oh this music is fucking tie all.
Speaker 2: About music and visuals. It is the most like it
Speaker 2: was Tetris Effect before Tetris Effect in terms of the
Speaker 2: visuals and everything. And just as you progress through the level,
Speaker 2: it's just like, oh fuck, the music changes completely and
Speaker 2: all the the blocks look completely different, and uh.
Speaker 3: This would hit so hard if you were on drugs.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: And it's also like I can't wait to try it
Speaker 2: in VR because ooh boy, Tetris Effect probably George Washington
Speaker 2: in The Mount rushmore of good games to play while
Speaker 2: you're high. Luminous is all about the sound and vision
Speaker 2: and stuff, So I do want to get very high
Speaker 2: and play this in VR.
Speaker 5: It is.
Speaker 3: The little.
Speaker 6: Chameleons, oh yeah, yeah, And there's like this fruit level
Speaker 6: where you're like building huge apples and stuff and they
Speaker 6: fly at the screen when you break them.
Speaker 2: Everything it's I'm not going to describe every fucking puzzle
Speaker 2: mechanic to you. It is a game where you were
Speaker 2: dropping blocks and you were matching things together, and you
Speaker 2: were getting a high score and trying not to let
Speaker 2: the blocks get to the top of the screen. It is.
Speaker 2: It sounds a lot like Tetris when I describe it
Speaker 2: that way.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 2: It definitely feels very different than Tetris, but it is
Speaker 2: right up there for me.
Speaker 3: Likely has like a Mario uh is that is called
Speaker 3: doctor Mario.
Speaker 1: Would be like og one the pill Mario was just
Speaker 1: the kind of the two pip pills and stuff like this.
Speaker 2: This is a two by two. You're dropping a lot
Speaker 2: of two by two squares, and so some of them
Speaker 2: might all let's say it's just blue and orange, you know,
Speaker 2: some of them might just be all blue, some might
Speaker 2: be all orange, some might be a mix. And gravity
Speaker 2: affects the blocks as they fall, and so you were
Speaker 2: just trying to make big blocks basically to clear them out.
Speaker 2: And but you can do really cool combos and stuff
Speaker 2: with it. There's this new burst mechanic that is really awesome.
Speaker 2: So they basically Tetris Effect. Tetris affected Luminous and made
Speaker 2: it better than ever. And I mean, Luminous is one
Speaker 2: of the all time best puzzle games to me, and
Speaker 2: Tetris Effect was one of the best kind of reimaginings
Speaker 2: of a puzzle game. And they've done it again. Luminous
Speaker 2: Arise kicks ass. Mary.
Speaker 1: I know you play a lot on your Steam deck.
Speaker 1: This is.
Speaker 2: I played pretty much all of this on my Steam deck.
Speaker 3: I love this. This seems like really up my alley.
Speaker 3: I really love the old drug binge. So I think
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna think I'm gonna give this a try.
Speaker 3: This looks great.
Speaker 2: This is I've not been high yet playing and I've
Speaker 2: played through the entire journey mode of this, and it's
Speaker 2: very good high or not high. I will also be
Speaker 2: getting high and playing this.
Speaker 1: Very drug binge. It's the funny, funniest way podcast.
Speaker 3: Good drug binge.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think I've had a rough working environment.
Speaker 3: I love to like get out of my head when
Speaker 3: I'm not working right now, and I think like this
Speaker 3: is the kind of thing that I think would really
Speaker 3: allow me to transcend reality. That sounds great, So I have.
Speaker 2: To sound on with this one because the music is great,
Speaker 2: totally jaz mode and like, did you did testor sffect right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course.
Speaker 2: You know that journey mode where you're like, it's got
Speaker 2: the exact same thing here, it's got the journey mode
Speaker 2: where it's kind of broken up into different like you know,
Speaker 2: here's here's five little stages basically, and then here's another four,
Speaker 2: and then it's got all the different like shifts between
Speaker 2: the music and the visuals and everything.
Speaker 1: It's just like that.
Speaker 2: It is just a good time.
Speaker 3: Damn, this is really cool. Thank you looks awesome.
Speaker 1: I want to hear what you think of it. I
Speaker 1: guess I won't play it because Dan yelled at me
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 3: She doesn't even do drugs. Mike, you've been playing Monster
Speaker 3: Train too, which I heard you could be stone sober
Speaker 3: for tell us about it.
Speaker 1: I talked about it last episode. But yeah, that's probably
Speaker 1: my favorite thing. I'm still playing now along with Donkey
Speaker 1: Kong Bananza. That game is really really good. I've unlocked
Speaker 1: every faction. I have a bunch of new cores to
Speaker 1: my train, like the Heart of the Train that they're
Speaker 1: trying to destroy, but you also get ones with different abilities.
Speaker 1: I still really really hate the art style for the
Speaker 1: first game and this it looks so cheap. It gets
Speaker 1: the point across, and there's some really clever character models,
Speaker 1: but like it just looks like a bad line straddling
Speaker 1: between paper cutouts and like online like flash game. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure, but yeah, the games are to a flash game. Yeah, sorry,
Speaker 1: that's it was immature of me. But no, this game
Speaker 1: is like incredible. And again I don't I don't historically
Speaker 1: love deck Builders, but this game does such cool things
Speaker 1: with it that builds on the first game two. Like,
Speaker 1: there are certain effects you get that really just blow
Speaker 1: up how you're thinking about certain factions. Valor is this
Speaker 1: effect where basically, if you end in the front of
Speaker 1: a row, you'll gain armor, but you'll also add some
Speaker 1: to your attack power. And then there's certain characters that
Speaker 1: can move around the train build valor each time you
Speaker 1: do that. So it's it's very very good at forcing
Speaker 1: me out of my comfort zone in like a play
Speaker 1: style that I get comfortable with. Similar to Blatro, Blatcho
Speaker 1: will force you out of your comfort zone quickly in
Speaker 1: terms of like how you're building your deck or with
Speaker 1: jokers there. But Montra Train two is very very good
Speaker 1: at just forcing me to keep thinking of my feet often.
Speaker 2: I like it a lot.
Speaker 1: It's also just very satisfying for a deck building game,
Speaker 1: similar to what I was saying about Donkey Kong. It's
Speaker 1: got a good like snappiness to it. It feels great.
Speaker 1: I like that game quite a bit.
Speaker 4: I have one more that I thought about last minute.
Speaker 1: And what was that look you were giving me? You
Speaker 1: were going to say something?
Speaker 5: Do you know?
Speaker 2: I think I was given Mary a look because she said,
Speaker 2: you don't deserve anything? And I realized, did you know that?
Speaker 2: I won the McDonald Anopotly game and I won one
Speaker 2: hundred thousand American Airlines miles just send me and bank
Speaker 2: to Hawaii round trip.
Speaker 4: I saw you on Instagram thank McDonald's and I rolled.
Speaker 1: Is that what you're dealing with them?
Speaker 4: What did you win?
Speaker 2: We haven't decided yet, but they are in my account now.
Speaker 2: I have one hundred thousand American Airlines miles approximate retail
Speaker 2: value twenty five hundred dollars that I won of McDonald's
Speaker 2: monopoly feasts one piece?
Speaker 1: How many did you buy it?
Speaker 3: You didn't have like Baltic Avenue.
Speaker 2: It was like it was one of the quickspans you
Speaker 2: get bonus spins on the app when you do it,
Speaker 2: and so I hit the bonus pin and it was
Speaker 2: like usually it's like you want a free small fry
Speaker 2: or a small cone and me it was like twenty
Speaker 2: five hundred dollars worth of flights?
Speaker 1: How long did it? How long were you suspicious? Like
Speaker 1: did this really happen? Or is like there's that there's
Speaker 1: some pass Like what were the odds that it was?
Speaker 2: Like until it was in my account, I was kind
Speaker 2: of like, all right, hopefully some bullshit doesn't happen or whatever.
Speaker 2: And then I got an email like a few days
Speaker 2: ago and it was like, hey, congrats, put this code
Speaker 2: into your advantage account or whatever. And I put it
Speaker 2: in and it's like miles available one hundred thousand. And
Speaker 2: I looked it up and it's like, oh wow, round
Speaker 2: trip for one person to WHII is forty five k.
Speaker 2: That's that's pretty good believable.
Speaker 3: You should play the lottery the way you flip flops,
Speaker 3: stumble dip dog your way through life without fucking knowing
Speaker 3: shit or giving a shit, and you just fucking keep
Speaker 3: winning unbelievable.
Speaker 2: I think I could win the lottery and it's gonna
Speaker 2: be really funny.
Speaker 3: I think you would.
Speaker 4: I like, I wouldn't be surprised if you, like went
Speaker 4: for governor and won.
Speaker 3: I'd be like, who knew.
Speaker 1: Would do?
Speaker 2: I could actually become like a governor.
Speaker 1: I a governor. Yeah, if you if you become governor
Speaker 1: of any state in the country, just governor here I know.
Speaker 3: And he's corrupt.
Speaker 1: The body, the mind.
Speaker 3: This isn't a ring.
Speaker 2: I think you go to water.
Speaker 1: I don't think you become governor. I think it's more
Speaker 1: than a popularity. I mean what I can do first, Yeah,
Speaker 1: just keep trying. Especially, wouldn't be running against like the
Speaker 1: most whatever. Oh yeah, Minnesota Dan Ker versus Tim Waltz
Speaker 1: would be never mind, the equivalent of Samoa Joe fighting
Speaker 1: me physically. All right, No, no, no, I won't go
Speaker 1: against walt You won't. Yeah, you won't take him down
Speaker 1: for the good of the state.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true, for the betterment of Minnesota.
Speaker 1: I wonder what state you could become governor and if
Speaker 1: you try, I don't think. I don't think they would
Speaker 1: vote for Dan down there if.
Speaker 2: I said the stuff they wanted to hear.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure.
Speaker 2: Down the road if I wanted to, that'd be the
Speaker 2: easiest shit in the world. My all right, grip turn, oh,
Speaker 2: that'd be the easiest fucking fish in a barrel. I
Speaker 2: would be making millions within a year. The Republican Whip.
Speaker 1: Like, if there was a government shutdown and the Democrats
Speaker 1: are trying to hold out, the Republican Whip would go
Speaker 1: to Dan in the middle of the night with like
Speaker 1: one hundred dollars Taco Bell gift card to get into
Speaker 1: defect and he'd be like, yeah, sure, I don't care. No,
Speaker 1: I just got one hundred thousand miles from McDonald's. I'm fine,
Speaker 1: I'll see you in the morning. I have the miles
Speaker 1: damn inside of Bill McDonald's drill.
Speaker 3: I did some value, so fad don't worry about me.
Speaker 3: I voted for Chastity Bono. I would never.
Speaker 4: I won't support you.
Speaker 1: I will, I will.
Speaker 3: I will move to Florida and vote for the other guy.
Speaker 3: I won't. I won't be in Florida.
Speaker 1: It could be a woman.
Speaker 3: There she goes again. I also have been playing I
Speaker 3: forgot about it, but I was playing another game. I
Speaker 3: wanted to tell you about called dead Take.
Speaker 1: I forgot about this, but I'm going to talk about it.
Speaker 1: You're so the hosting is easy.
Speaker 3: It's hard.
Speaker 1: Forgot this. Now I'm gonna enthrall you. Okay, I go
Speaker 1: dead tape. Okay.
Speaker 3: Dead Take is a FMV horror game which should really
Speaker 3: be right up my alley. It has cut scenes starring
Speaker 3: Neil Neubin nubn from balders Gate, Iree Asterion and Ben
Speaker 3: Starr and uh, Laura Bailey, Matthew Mercer, a lot of
Speaker 3: pretty big names on this f FMV file. You are
Speaker 3: in a house. I think it's like a producer's house,
Speaker 3: and I think he's a bad guy, and all these
Speaker 3: actors are trying to get like good roles in the
Speaker 3: next film, and you're playing. You're like finding out what
Speaker 3: went wrong in this house because there's like spoopy stuff
Speaker 3: going around and you have to like uncover it. I
Speaker 3: thought it was okay. It was a horror game that
Speaker 3: I think. I wish it was a little scarier. I
Speaker 3: only like got actually jump scared maybe twice throughout the
Speaker 3: whole thing. It's more the environment is is kind of
Speaker 3: uncomfortable or scary.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: I didn't think the puzzles were super hard.
Speaker 3: I figured everything out. I think I beat this game
Speaker 3: in four hours with UH with my bud Silver. I
Speaker 3: think we basically burned through it pretty quickly. But I
Speaker 3: do love F and B horror, and I think if
Speaker 3: you're into like weird horror psychological films, UH, it was.
Speaker 3: It was a cool experience and I'm glad I played
Speaker 3: it if you like that kind of thing. It's a
Speaker 3: very unique style of horror game. It's weird to see
Speaker 3: Ben Starr, like not just his voice, his like physical form.
Speaker 3: All these people a lot of pearces in it. Like
Speaker 3: there's a lot of actors, but it's like their actual
Speaker 3: physical form. It's they're they're not I mean, they're playing
Speaker 3: a role, but like it's actors, you know. So that
Speaker 3: was confusing.
Speaker 2: Names start are so weird to me because it's like
Speaker 2: he's the guy that I see all the time and
Speaker 2: I talk to all the time whenever we do a
Speaker 2: thing and you know, game Awards or SGF or something.
Speaker 2: But I've never played I guess Entail Expedition thirty three.
Speaker 2: I never really play games. He's been a voice and
Speaker 2: so he's just like a dude. I sometimes talk to
Speaker 2: I don't, so I only know him as just a
Speaker 2: physical dude. Yeah, it's weird to see him as a dude.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: It's weird because he plays like, uh, I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna give it away. But they're all playing
Speaker 3: characters that are like kind of strange and nuanced, so
Speaker 3: it is like stressful to watch him get like really
Speaker 3: angry on set and things like that. There's also that, Yeah,
Speaker 3: there's just a lot of actors in it where I'm like,
Speaker 3: I know that guy, but he's playing he's playing like
Speaker 3: a weirdo.
Speaker 4: So yeah, people, Yeah, it's a lot of it's a
Speaker 4: hard sell for me.
Speaker 3: I thought it was an interesting experience, especially a four
Speaker 3: hours psychological horror puzzler with FMV stuff.
Speaker 4: I think it's it's neat what they tried to do here,
Speaker 4: but a little bit too.
Speaker 3: Slow burn for me. A lot of it is like
Speaker 3: slowly waiting for the next video file and watching it
Speaker 3: and figuring out what that's uncovering, splicing together video files.
Speaker 3: Glad I played it. I don't regret that. How much
Speaker 3: is it?
Speaker 2: It's understanding right now, you're making an F and B game,
Speaker 2: anyone out there, you're making an F and B game
Speaker 2: that's gonna be a real game, soundstame or something.
Speaker 1: I will be in your fm B game.
Speaker 2: Free your charge. Let me know and I will. I
Speaker 2: will go for it, just I would love to be.
Speaker 3: He's got the miles.
Speaker 4: He will fly there and speed it in the morning.
Speaker 4: He smells like fries, but he.
Speaker 3: Knows how to act. Yeah, people like McDonald's fries.
Speaker 2: Dan at a certain time, Like at the Bombiton, we
Speaker 2: had a room filled with fries that we're sitting there
Speaker 2: for like six hours, and I tried to take a
Speaker 2: nap in that room, and look, I love McDonald's. I
Speaker 2: was like, this is overwhelming. I cannot sleep in this
Speaker 2: fry room.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't let them hear that they might snatch those that.
Speaker 3: What do you want, Ronald, Come get me, Ronald. It
Speaker 3: wouldn't be him. It would be the guy who steals
Speaker 3: the burglar. He would he would come. Get your mind.
Speaker 2: Go for it, Joe on the Hamburgler.
Speaker 4: Stop bringing up Samoa Jo. He's not gonna save you.
Speaker 2: My good personal friends, Tomojo, who will always see me
Speaker 2: if I get in trouble.
Speaker 1: He doesn't even know unless I then there's no stopping me.
Speaker 1: Even if you're Samoa Joe, I'll tear through like tissue paper.
Speaker 1: I think, I think, I actually like he is probably
Speaker 1: the size of three and a half of me, maybe.
Speaker 2: Four, probably more than three.
Speaker 1: And now, yeah, I still I maintained you can run
Speaker 1: for governor Florida. I'll fight Samoa Joe. We'll see who's
Speaker 1: more successful. Okay, we'll race. What's the how would I race?
Speaker 5: You?
Speaker 2: Do you have to beatmo Joe before I become a
Speaker 2: US governor? And I have.
Speaker 1: What kind of fight?
Speaker 2: Street fight?
Speaker 1: Oh? Fuck?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay, just like bar bar fight one? Do you
Speaker 2: ask to give up?
Speaker 1: I'd have better chance with that than an actual like
Speaker 1: wrestling match. All right, Okay, can I use weapons?
Speaker 2: Whatever's there?
Speaker 4: Okay, whatever is around on the ground. Okay, you can
Speaker 4: stab Samoa Joe.
Speaker 1: With Call Joe up. I'll take some shirtless photos and
Speaker 1: you can send those to him. Be like this guy
Speaker 1: wants to fight you. Oh, just be a mortal combat fatality.
Speaker 1: But I would have the like the the cockiness of
Speaker 1: uh Johnny. Sure?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: Do you want to talk about emails?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well we like to discuss about them.
Speaker 1: Okay. As always, you can run into the fire escape
Speaker 1: cast at gmail dot com. That is Firescape cast at
Speaker 1: gmail dot com. Questions, comments, stuff you want read on
Speaker 1: the show. We are running low, so fill that inbox
Speaker 1: back up. We've been getting a lot of good questions
Speaker 1: throughout the year. We will also be kind of prepping
Speaker 1: for going into next year as we finish up Game
Speaker 1: of the Year stuff. So fill up the inbox with
Speaker 1: questions about anything, preferably food or beauty tips. I can
Speaker 1: give you some of those or fight fight tactics, which
Speaker 1: Mary is happy to share. We have a few questions tonight.
Speaker 1: This first one is from Tyler Mary. Yeah, first one
Speaker 1: balls nos eyes face vagina kick.
Speaker 3: They can never get past it.
Speaker 2: Hi, the kick is not super effective, so don't go.
Speaker 4: No more effective than a shoulder or.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it go over your eyes eyes is anyone's guess?
Speaker 2: Hi?
Speaker 3: There escapees first time, long time. I recently picked up
Speaker 3: Mark Oh Lord help me Daniel Luski, Daniel Luski's new
Speaker 3: book Tom's Crossing.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: I'm not normally one to pick up a book on
Speaker 3: release day, but finding out that the author of House
Speaker 3: of Leaves had written a magical realism eighties Western set
Speaker 3: in my hometown, I could not order fast enough. Reading
Speaker 3: it has been an absolute delight. Has made me feel
Speaker 3: seen in a powerful way. Do you have any favorite
Speaker 3: pieces of media that line up perfectly with your preference
Speaker 3: and have built in connections to your real life, such
Speaker 3: as being set in your hometown or fusing on a
Speaker 3: niche interest of yours.
Speaker 4: Love the show, Thanks Tyler.
Speaker 1: I would say Annihilation the movie kind of really hit
Speaker 1: me in a way where I.
Speaker 4: Was like, set in your hometown.
Speaker 1: I did not grow up in the Everglades, but it
Speaker 1: was like horror meets sci fi meets fantasy meets I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm a sucker for like expeditions in movies,
Speaker 1: like anytime someone goes into an unknown place where things
Speaker 1: are they don't know what's going on. I always love
Speaker 1: that Annihilation felt like it was made for me in
Speaker 1: that respect. That was probably the one that comes to mind.
Speaker 1: In terms of movies video games, I would say Alan
Speaker 1: Wake two felt like it was just this confluence. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: Alan's story was very inspired by Taxi Driver and neo
Speaker 1: noir seventies stuff about like from New York City in
Speaker 1: the seventies and noir crime dram is in that. But
Speaker 1: then you also have the pack Northwest Twin Peaks, FBI Investigation, Survival, Horror,
Speaker 1: Over the Shoulder of Side, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: they made two games just for me and mashed them
Speaker 1: together into one crazy, unwieldy thing.
Speaker 2: It's a I can think of a really good example
Speaker 2: and a really bad example of So I'm not like,
Speaker 2: I love wrestling and I love movies, but I like,
Speaker 2: you know, they tried to make a million movies with
Speaker 2: fucking John c and a Randy Orton or Diana Ambrose,
Speaker 2: Like I've never watched any of them. Don't give a
Speaker 2: shit I've ever seen like The Marine with Johnson. It's
Speaker 2: like I watched John CNN wrestling. I don't need to
Speaker 2: watch him in a bad straight to DVD movie, you know.
Speaker 2: So I don't really care about that. So when The
Speaker 2: Wrestler was coming out, I was kind of like, all right,
Speaker 2: I'm always very wary of like depictions of pro wrestling
Speaker 2: in mainstream media because it's always the exact same thing.
Speaker 2: It's just someone doing a bad Randy Savage impersonation, and
Speaker 2: it's just like, I don't know, I'm always very skeptical
Speaker 2: because it's typically not done well. But it was Aeronofsky
Speaker 2: and like you know, he's very much that like, oh,
Speaker 2: film dorks liked Aeronofsky stuff, especially back then, and he
Speaker 2: did an incredible job. It was like, I think the
Speaker 2: large majority of wrestling fans look at that movie and
Speaker 2: we're like, oh no, that's they respected the business in
Speaker 2: a major way. And also it's if you don't give
Speaker 2: a shit about wrestling at all, it's just a great movie.
Speaker 2: Do you know if he oh, sorry, no, no, go ahead.
Speaker 1: Was he always into wrestling and wanted to make a
Speaker 1: movie about it or was it something that like something
Speaker 1: sparked a fascination and then he did a deep dive
Speaker 1: and like, I think this is gets to the core
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 2: I don't think he's necessarily a guy that's super into wrestling.
Speaker 2: What I've always heard is he wanted to do I
Speaker 2: don't know if you want to do it originally as
Speaker 2: the same movie or as just kind of companion pieces.
Speaker 2: But Black Swan and The Wrestler when he was out
Speaker 2: around the same time, where it's like these stories about
Speaker 2: this like kind of personal trauma and like sacrificing, you know,
Speaker 2: for your art and stuff like that. But he wanted
Speaker 2: Black Swan to be the high brow one and the
Speaker 2: wrestler to be the lowbrow one. But he did, like
Speaker 2: you know, by all accounts, like when he was making
Speaker 2: that movie and everything, he wanted to make it authentic,
Speaker 2: and like it very much reads as authentic. It's very
Speaker 2: very good at that. I will say one that was
Speaker 2: coming out that was it sounded extremely up my alley
Speaker 2: was The Expendables because it was, oh, it's Loan and
Speaker 2: Schwartzenegger and all these guys and Bruce Willis and it's
Speaker 2: just like it just kind of sucked. It's like it
Speaker 2: was just boring. Just like all the coolest guys ever
Speaker 2: into a movie.
Speaker 4: I think they all were like competing with who got
Speaker 4: to be the coolest.
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's much of a good thing too, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm sure they all got paid very well to hang
Speaker 2: out with their buddies.
Speaker 3: But that is not what I asked at all.
Speaker 4: It's not how much money they made.
Speaker 3: I'm saying, like, when you watch a movie like that,
Speaker 3: you want one of them to be the superhero, and
Speaker 3: they can't all be important.
Speaker 2: I mean, Stallone was definitely supposed to be like the
Speaker 2: guy there, but it's like it just it was just
Speaker 2: a stupid movie. And like I like a good stupid movie.
Speaker 2: This was a bad stupid movie. Like I think I
Speaker 2: saw the third one. Maybe I might have skipped one
Speaker 2: of them, but like they're just not good.
Speaker 1: Have you seen them? There's a scene that's always sunny.
Speaker 1: There's an episode where they're basically just like riffing on
Speaker 1: Shyamalan movies and Charlie and Mack are trying to write
Speaker 1: a movie together. And bear in mind they have not
Speaker 1: mentioned this actor the entire show. I want to say,
Speaker 1: this is season seven, so this comes out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: It's not like this is a bit in the show.
Speaker 1: It's just in one scene they're like, you know what
Speaker 1: people are doing these days. They're taking like these washed
Speaker 1: up old actors and then giving them new life with
Speaker 1: this like really great movie. And he's like, yeah, we
Speaker 1: should do that. Who's like a really underrated actor who's
Speaker 1: come by hard times, who's like the most underrated actor
Speaker 1: of all time. And Charlie's like Dolph Lungren Max like exactly,
Speaker 1: like I ou't of know where they do it. Every
Speaker 1: time I think about like the Wrestler, I want to
Speaker 1: say that was Mickey Yorke's first thing in a while.
Speaker 2: That was a big comeback thing, because yeah, big deal
Speaker 2: in the early nineties and he made some weird life
Speaker 2: decisions and career decisions and like tried to become a
Speaker 2: boxer and then so I was like face got fucked
Speaker 2: up and all that, Like he was the it was
Speaker 2: gonna be Nicholas Cage, which also would have been amazing,
Speaker 2: but work was the right choice.
Speaker 1: I don't think I knew that's how his face got
Speaker 1: so changed so.
Speaker 2: Much that he tried to do a boxing run. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he was so bad that.
Speaker 1: His face got pulverized.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jesus Mike, you asked that, like Darrenovski being a
Speaker 2: wrestling guy. You know who is a big wrestling guy
Speaker 2: and you see it in a lot of his stuff
Speaker 2: is Tim Robinson.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think I knew that.
Speaker 2: On Detroiter's Kevin Nash, like one of my favorite dudes
Speaker 2: ever is his dad and uh and like I think
Speaker 2: you should leave. He's got a bunch of wrestlers that
Speaker 2: show up in that and everything. Uh, Darby Allen, who
Speaker 2: you know from AW, He's like skates with Darby Allen
Speaker 2: has had him like any time AW is around, he's
Speaker 2: always backstage.
Speaker 1: So like, yeah, Tim Robbinson's I can see that, Like
Speaker 1: he's so much. I think he respects people who commit
Speaker 1: to like commit to the bit. Yeah, and like I
Speaker 1: feel like wrestling is like a big dramatic bit and
Speaker 1: I feel like that connects with him.
Speaker 2: I also feel like he has a good taste because
Speaker 2: it's like like he got Kevin Nash to be his
Speaker 2: dad in the show, and I'm like, all right, that's
Speaker 2: like the coolest guy you could have possibly picked.
Speaker 1: So I would like to meet Tim Robinson. This is
Speaker 1: extremely an aside, but I was watching him and Zach
Speaker 1: Canaan went on seth Myers, and I saw a clip
Speaker 1: and they were doing the thing where it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: what are some sets like? Or Tim Robinson Zach Canaan,
Speaker 1: who wrote helps write I think you should leave. He
Speaker 1: also plays in the show. And same with the Chair Company.
Speaker 1: Every once in a while they're like, yeah, none of
Speaker 1: our SNL skits ever got accepted, like maybe on the
Speaker 1: back end of an episode, and sets like how about this.
Speaker 1: You pitch me one of them and I'll tell you
Speaker 1: why it didn't make it, And so they're like, okay,
Speaker 1: So they had one where basically this like legendary really
Speaker 1: well respected, dignitary senator was on his deathbed and he's
Speaker 1: just like there are other senators showing up, and ambassadors
Speaker 1: are coming to his hospital room to say goodbye, Like
Speaker 1: just this like class act dude who everybody just like
Speaker 1: looks up to as a like an example of a
Speaker 1: good human being. His family's there, his friends are there,
Speaker 1: and he's just like just really facing death in a
Speaker 1: really dignified way. But then with all these people surrounding,
Speaker 1: he actually starts to finally die and he just starts
Speaker 1: screaming at the top of his life, shouting, and apparently
Speaker 1: to Robinson said, the thing he keeps repeating is, holy shit,
Speaker 1: this fucking sucks.
Speaker 2: That sounds way more like a Mister Show sketch. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like that every thing where It's like, I'm sure NBC
Speaker 2: when you get like, you know, Lauren Michaels and all
Speaker 2: these kind of like older corporate guys around, you probably
Speaker 2: can't do, but like a Mister Show type thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or what did Showalter and Michael ian Black? What
Speaker 1: was their thing they did? Stella? Stella was very goofy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the state was earlier and everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But anyway, sorry, Mary, do you have any things
Speaker 1: are confluences.
Speaker 3: Of I'll say one, which is Ohio is known for
Speaker 3: a lot of TV shows and movies. It just seems
Speaker 3: like it's a great place to be, Like what is traditional,
Speaker 3: you know, Midwest Americana feel like. And I think there's
Speaker 3: no movie that embodies that better than Tommy Boy. Tommy
Speaker 3: Boy is not just a real good reflection of Ohio culture,
Speaker 3: but Ohio people.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of.
Speaker 3: Blue collar workers, factory workers every day Joe's in that movie,
Speaker 3: that are not this is not like looked down upon.
Speaker 3: These are like people who give a shit, and so
Speaker 3: the joke is not about them or the livelihoods. It's
Speaker 3: just about what a fucking dumb shit Tommy is. Stupid
Speaker 3: little kidd heus where.
Speaker 4: He looks into that thing and he says, Duke, I
Speaker 4: am your father.
Speaker 3: And they catch him being such a little dumb shit.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh no, that's me, Like this is
Speaker 3: I'm such an idiot and I have to be.
Speaker 4: A business person now and I have to make money
Speaker 4: and I.
Speaker 3: Have to be important, and there are days where I'm like,
Speaker 3: I don't I don't deserve any of this because I
Speaker 3: am I am stupid. I am just a stupid person
Speaker 3: that somehow has to continue to make a mortgage. And
Speaker 3: so here we are. But I think Tommy Boy, I
Speaker 3: feel really seen by that entire film, not just Ohio,
Speaker 3: which it is like prolific to have a drive that
Speaker 3: flat where you don't see a hill or a mountain
Speaker 3: for hours, that's like so Ohio, but also just his
Speaker 3: character and the way he exists in that film is
Speaker 3: like very important to me.
Speaker 2: That movie we watched, me and Bach watched like maybe
Speaker 2: four or five years ago, and it aged a lot
Speaker 2: better than I expected. And there are things I forgot
Speaker 2: where it's like you talk about the different characters that
Speaker 2: are like dan Aykroyd being like the slimy Midwest you know,
Speaker 2: car dealership owner. It's like, oh, this is good. It's
Speaker 2: like I don't remember a lot of like like that's
Speaker 2: always the thing with like a comedy, especially from like
Speaker 2: the nineties and earlier.
Speaker 3: You're like, uh, wasn't that bad?
Speaker 1: Really?
Speaker 2: I walked away from it being like I'm glad it
Speaker 2: aged that way.
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, Chris Farley could pull off clean
Speaker 1: humor oh quote unquote clean humor, just because he's such
Speaker 1: a physical presence, not that he wasn't ever getting dirty,
Speaker 1: but like.
Speaker 2: He could be like in like a kid's movie in
Speaker 2: the physical force of Nature, you.
Speaker 3: Could find a way. Yeah, uh yeah, Beverly Hills Nincha's
Speaker 3: like all slapstick stupid.
Speaker 1: But that did that.
Speaker 2: That movie taught me what a pimp was because he
Speaker 2: gets a jacket at some point and it's got like
Speaker 2: the tiger or whatever print and somebody says that he
Speaker 2: looks like a pimp or something. And we're turning to
Speaker 2: my grandma at the time, being Grandma, what's a pimp.
Speaker 1: It's a.
Speaker 2: She said, it's a man that slaps women. God, So
Speaker 2: that's what I thought it was for a while. I
Speaker 2: mean in a way, I mean I see why she
Speaker 2: was trying to like say kind of what it was
Speaker 2: without saying what it was.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think I told you this.
Speaker 3: But in Amsterdam when we did our first the first
Speaker 3: time I ever went to Amsterdam for work, and we
Speaker 3: did a little tour, the tour guy said, when the
Speaker 3: children first come, you know, down in the city and
Speaker 3: they see all the girls, the teachers tell them they're
Speaker 3: selling kisses. And I was like, that's an acceptable format
Speaker 3: for type thing.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeahs that's why she didn't.
Speaker 2: Say I need tim.
Speaker 4: They're selling butthole kisses.
Speaker 1: Okay, just just a little smooch on your touch. I learned.
Speaker 4: I learned a lot in the in the third grade.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Tyler. Dan. You want to read, Oh shit,
Speaker 1: I'll get the if you want to start it, I'll
Speaker 1: get the It's from Dalton.
Speaker 2: Uh, Dalton's his name's not on here? Are you fool? Okay,
Speaker 2: he's typing in adult adult. I can't confirm yet. Okay,
Speaker 2: Dalton with two l's. That's insane, Dalton. Mike fixed this? Okay,
Speaker 2: Oh thank god. Okay, Dalton says, are there Mike still typing?
Speaker 2: This is a great bit.
Speaker 1: Are there any ongoing doesn't even play on video?
Speaker 5: It's just a document that no one can It doesn't
Speaker 5: even play with me seeing exactly what you're doing.
Speaker 2: No joke, And I'm like over it already, Dalton says,
Speaker 2: are there any ongoing gaming complaints? You're just tired of
Speaker 2: hearing at this point? Mine is, I'm so tired of
Speaker 2: hearing people talk about Final Fantasy going back to turn based.
Speaker 2: Final Fantasy hasn't been turn based in twenty five years, guys,
Speaker 2: let it go. It has not been turn based longer
Speaker 2: than it was turn based. The last turn based Final
Speaker 2: Fantasy game was Final Fantasy ten on the PS two.
Speaker 2: Squiring Enix has other turn based games, Dragon Quest, Bravely, Default, Octopath.
Speaker 1: Come on, that is Dalton?
Speaker 2: Fuck you? You fucking pussy is that can't be his name?
Speaker 5: Mike?
Speaker 1: Why do you?
Speaker 2: Why does that say that in all caps?
Speaker 1: It's just insulting you while you read it?
Speaker 2: My sorry Dalton?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's a what's a complaint that a lot of
Speaker 1: people share? Like what somebody you say on Red Air?
Speaker 1: What's something like that?
Speaker 3: I mean, here's a classic one, which is yellow tape
Speaker 3: or fly This is stupid, but it's like obviously so helpful.
Speaker 3: You'd be so many people would be lost. You genuinely
Speaker 3: would not enjoy an experience that didn't give you a
Speaker 3: little bit of guidance. I think sometimes it can be overdone,
Speaker 3: but like, so can that complaint?
Speaker 1: Like because otherwise, aside from that, God of War would
Speaker 1: be a masterpiece of literary ambitions.
Speaker 3: Wid is like I think we're supposed to turn the
Speaker 3: clock clockwise.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe you could break through the wall.
Speaker 5: It's about fatherhood and the yellow paint doesn't fatherhood, responsibility,
Speaker 5: that the responsibilities and how you can't escape your past
Speaker 5: you have to confront it through.
Speaker 2: I feel like I see more complaints from like because
Speaker 2: I didn't really see like the average like comments or controversies,
Speaker 2: Like I feel like Manati is my controversy whisperer, So
Speaker 2: I don't really see.
Speaker 4: It's Manati been complaining about recent.
Speaker 2: No, I'm saying, well, he reads every comment that's ever
Speaker 2: been on the internet.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what's you know, what's what's he picking up?
Speaker 2: Every once in a while, everyone's mad about fast and
Speaker 2: I'll be like, what the fuck, what is it?
Speaker 3: Tell me one?
Speaker 2: Uh oh, you're saying people are mad about Metroid and
Speaker 2: Metroid Prime trailer. They showed too much of like the
Speaker 2: bike is in the desert too much, and the world
Speaker 2: looks empty or something, and it's like it all just
Speaker 2: sounds to me, like like the Puddle Gate shit or
Speaker 2: whatever of Spider Man Spider Man thing where the puddles
Speaker 2: got too small or something.
Speaker 1: It's just I don't know.
Speaker 2: I love video games more than anything like in the world.
Speaker 2: It's given me my entire life and everything until I
Speaker 2: met my wife. It's just my entire career. It's just
Speaker 2: people get too fucking how.
Speaker 4: You won twenty five hundred miles.
Speaker 2: That was separate. No, I would leave McDonald's no matter
Speaker 2: what the fuck I was doing, Mary, that had nothing
Speaker 2: to do with video games. I would have had that
Speaker 2: McDonald's piece no matter.
Speaker 3: What, no matter what differences in your life.
Speaker 2: Could be working out fucking gas station on Shawnee Mission Parkway,
Speaker 2: and I would absolutely still win that thing.
Speaker 1: But my this isn't really a complaint. It's kind of
Speaker 1: a complaint. And I'm I remember I remember one specific
Speaker 1: Game of the Year meeting. We had a game spot
Speaker 1: where this like the detractors of Breath of the Wild.
Speaker 1: We're using the argument that it's not a Zelda game,
Speaker 1: Like it's not, it's not like it's the most And
Speaker 1: then you're like, that is the most Zelda game, since
Speaker 1: this is what they would have made with the first
Speaker 1: game if they had the technology and the design chops,
Speaker 1: and but like people were like, no, it's not, that's
Speaker 1: not like what a Zelda game is. I'm like, well, hey,
Speaker 1: you're you're making every you're making every your pities. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: but also like yes, it fucking is so like I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's I mean it's it's that shit is
Speaker 1: insane to me because like Okerina Time one of the
Speaker 1: best games of all time, probably my top ten ever,
Speaker 1: Breath of the Wild is more the original Zelda than
Speaker 1: Okerina of Time is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like that's a fucking horseshed argument.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, Yeah, it annoyed me. Also throw out like remember.
Speaker 3: That too hard. It should have like it should have
Speaker 3: more options to play it easier. I think if a
Speaker 3: game is if the developers have designed it to be
Speaker 3: very very difficult, that is like their m O.
Speaker 4: Yes, that is totally fine. That game is allowed to
Speaker 4: be very difficult.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like that comes from like like there's
Speaker 2: stuff where you get a bunch of people talking about
Speaker 2: like oh, when Bey and Atta first came out, it
Speaker 2: was like, oh, they had a one button easy mode
Speaker 2: if you just want to see the cool stuff and
Speaker 2: you don't want to you're not good at games. And
Speaker 2: people got mad about that. And then Elder Ring comes
Speaker 2: out and it's like, oh it's too hard, and people
Speaker 2: get mad about it. Shut play it, play it.
Speaker 1: It doesn't not every game.
Speaker 3: It's for you, you know, And I I feel it
Speaker 3: on both ends, Like I think it's so cool that
Speaker 3: you said the other end of the spectrum, too, which
Speaker 3: is like the game's too easy and it's like shut.
Speaker 2: Up, that's kind of mya. There was something like this
Speaker 2: year that was like really hard, and it sparked a
Speaker 2: bunch of fucking think pieces and stuff and social media
Speaker 2: bullshit about like, oh it's too.
Speaker 1: Hard Hollow Night too.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well don't play solk song.
Speaker 1: So sorry.
Speaker 3: Not it's called silk Song, Hollow Night, soil song. But yeah,
Speaker 3: it's like you sorry, Bud, Like sorry, the game is
Speaker 3: is extremely challenging.
Speaker 4: Some people find that very rewarding, like.
Speaker 2: Perrying, I don't play Sechiro. It's not ruining my day,
Speaker 2: you know, just there's a lot of games out there.
Speaker 3: I have low self esteem.
Speaker 4: I didn't finish elden Ring.
Speaker 3: That's just the way it is sometimes and.
Speaker 2: You're doing fine, it's like it's thank you, but I'm
Speaker 2: not going to.
Speaker 4: Sit there and be like the game is wrong. It's like, no,
Speaker 4: it just wasn't for me, and that's okay.
Speaker 3: I do think you can still have criticisms of it,
Speaker 3: which is just like, hey, like the difficulty spikes for
Speaker 3: this were a little too much for me, Like I
Speaker 3: found that challenging. I think that's fair, but to just
Speaker 3: say this game should be easier is not a valid
Speaker 3: criticism and kind of annoys me.
Speaker 2: I mean that came up, Yeah, solks Soong came up
Speaker 2: a lot, and there were as much as I fuck
Speaker 2: love folk song, there were boss fights where I was
Speaker 2: just like, man, really got to hit this guy like
Speaker 2: twenty five more times. Yeah, Like, but it's like, Okay, well,
Speaker 2: do you want to keep playing it or not?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 3: Also, maybe, and this will come up later, but like
Speaker 3: maybe you needed to grind in some other place and
Speaker 3: sharpen your needle more. Maybe you needed a different badge
Speaker 3: that would have let you have like a faster speed
Speaker 3: or a quadruple jump, and that would have also help
Speaker 3: helped with that boss fight. I suffered on a boss
Speaker 3: for like three hours, and then I found out that
Speaker 3: I really really really needed that triple.
Speaker 4: Jump dash and I didn't have it. So I was
Speaker 4: just kind of I was like so convinced that this.
Speaker 3: Boss was broken, and it was just like user error
Speaker 3: that happens all the time. That game humbles the shit
Speaker 3: out of me.
Speaker 4: So I find it a little exhausting for someone to
Speaker 4: just be like too hard.
Speaker 3: She's like, well, did you did you try? Are you good?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think that game has bigger problems than difficulty.
Speaker 1: I think I think we glazed Team Cherry too much.
Speaker 1: That's a whole other thing. No, I like that game
Speaker 1: quite a bit the other day. It's a fucking video game.
Speaker 3: Go get some real problems, get go get a mortgage.
Speaker 2: It's just it's a fucking just put down the controller
Speaker 2: and go figure out your life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you go get out hospital bill and if you
Speaker 1: can't get yeah, fucking babies. Thank you. Okay, Now that
Speaker 1: we ramped up with that, uh more, Uh what a
Speaker 1: fun one antagonistic question, Let's get to a very heavy one.
Speaker 1: Hey there, what's the most important element of a trail mix?
Speaker 1: Thanks West from Baltimore. Oh, I've we finished our wirery watch.
Speaker 1: I've been I've been trying to say Baltimore like they
Speaker 1: do Baltimore, Baltimore.
Speaker 2: You've been trying on mirror trying.
Speaker 1: I noticed, like they can dialect in the in the
Speaker 1: show all the like locals say like Baltimore. They I
Speaker 1: don't say Baltimore, and I have nothing from Baltimore, so
Speaker 1: I know, I'm just no, I'm not trying to say
Speaker 1: it like normally to sound cool, literally trying to physically
Speaker 1: say it. It's hard for my mouth to say, no,
Speaker 1: it's not it, No, it's not it.
Speaker 2: Do you know Mike Manatti can't say chimney because his
Speaker 2: brain goes into chimney from like Jim Jimminy Jim Jimminy.
Speaker 1: Disney stuff doesn't surprise me.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure if he's slowed down he could
Speaker 3: say it.
Speaker 2: He's tried probably a hundred times on Giant Bomb and
Speaker 2: failed a hundred times.
Speaker 1: I think it's all for show.
Speaker 2: It's probably you don't know, Mike Manattier.
Speaker 3: For a stretch goal, I'll say chimney.
Speaker 1: Correctly at some point. I love Mike naughty. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2: I did during the Bob on her. Beforehand, I was like, Mike,
Speaker 2: what's the number for? Like, what is the crazy incentive
Speaker 2: to get you to eat an apple?
Speaker 1: On and stream?
Speaker 2: He said, there's not a number, Like, I I know
Speaker 2: it's not a bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I don't. I don't think that's a bit.
Speaker 1: I know people. I know someone who was like that
Speaker 1: with bananas when I was younger. We thought it was
Speaker 1: a bit, and I'm ashamed to say I like played
Speaker 1: a prank on him with a banana and it.
Speaker 2: No good freaked out.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 1: I to be clear, I was like twelve, and I
Speaker 1: learned my lesson.
Speaker 2: I was going to do that where I was going
Speaker 2: to present him with a bunch of fruit and stuff
Speaker 2: and like, no, it's like a like real phobia.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not fun. I learned after I was once I
Speaker 1: was thirteen not to do that. But like I put aim,
Speaker 1: it wasn't even a creative prank. I just like our friend.
Speaker 1: He was a friend who did amp up. He he
Speaker 1: exaggerated a lot of stories and whatnot. So I thought
Speaker 1: he was being doing the same thing with his fear
Speaker 1: of bananas, like just being around them. So I like
Speaker 1: snuck a banana into his glovebox while in like sorry,
Speaker 1: not his glovebox, his like what do you want to
Speaker 1: call his like a basketball gym bag. The glovebox was
Speaker 1: a separate prank later on in life to someone else
Speaker 1: did not with a phobia, but he like opened his
Speaker 1: gym bag and like hyperventilated.
Speaker 2: When you do that stuff.
Speaker 1: I didn't know at the time. I was fucking twelve.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back through your childhood and find no,
Speaker 1: I told.
Speaker 2: You, I get fired as a babysitter right from the
Speaker 2: bee prank. This rings a slight bell, the short one.
Speaker 2: I was babysitting the neighbor kids. There are three kids,
Speaker 2: and the youngest one, Nick was uh he was like
Speaker 2: a pread of bees or something or actually, I don't
Speaker 2: even think he said that. I think he was just
Speaker 2: a kid, and kids don't like bees, including myself.
Speaker 1: I don't think adults like bees either.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, take it back. I don't think
Speaker 2: it was a phobia thing. I think we were just
Speaker 2: walking to the pool in the neighborhood and I was like, oh, Nick,
Speaker 2: oh god, you gotta bee. You gotta be on the
Speaker 2: back of your head or something, and he just lost
Speaker 2: his fucking mind and burst out crying and was the
Speaker 2: whole thing. And he told his mom, Yeah, you could.
Speaker 1: Tell us about this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but there was also that I ate the whole
Speaker 2: box of cheese its, And so I think I can't
Speaker 2: remember which one was the one that actually got me fired,
Speaker 2: but uh, yeah, don't do that one.
Speaker 3: Traumatize my child.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah.
Speaker 3: So I was in a good babysitter either. I once
Speaker 3: let them out on the roof and I said, don't
Speaker 3: tell your parents. And then the next day, the dad
Speaker 3: took me aside and was like, you took them out
Speaker 3: on the roof, didn't you? And I said, yeah, no,
Speaker 3: And then I looked at the kid and I said,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna fucking kill you. Yeah, but watching Blues Clues again,
Speaker 3: you little cunt.
Speaker 1: No. I believe Mike when he says he doesn't like apples.
Speaker 1: I have seen it close. But I'm though, what is
Speaker 1: the most important part of a trail mix? Oh? Not raisins.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of.
Speaker 4: Different are not really something that I ever enjoy.
Speaker 3: I will say that, uh an oatmeal, raisin cookies fresh
Speaker 3: from the oven.
Speaker 4: I can be like, yeah, I'm into this.
Speaker 2: It could be a good component. But like when you
Speaker 2: think about being a kid, like you were always confronted with,
Speaker 2: like I just have a box of raisins, Who the
Speaker 2: fuck is like eating boxes of resk?
Speaker 4: Some questions for adult?
Speaker 1: You dant the little raisins, the little California boxes? Hell, yeah, baby,
Speaker 1: do you eat?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 1: I don't know now anymore? They weren't they sell them anymore?
Speaker 1: They absolutely sell raisins, I promise you. Is the red
Speaker 1: box with a lady on it? Like yellow? Was it
Speaker 1: red with a yellow sun? And the yellow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm pretty sure the Rais nineteen ninety six is
Speaker 2: the last time I've seen one of these.
Speaker 3: I've seen raisins.
Speaker 1: Maybe they're in like, maybe they're in bags. Maybe they're
Speaker 1: in gummy bags. Oh wait a minute, how did I
Speaker 1: not bring this up yet? Speaking of Amazon, which one
Speaker 1: of you fuckers sent me ten bottles of mustard in
Speaker 1: an unmarked box. It seems like a merry thing.
Speaker 3: That could be anyone, but it is absolutely dass.
Speaker 1: I got a package that just said Mike Maharty. There's
Speaker 1: no return address, just said Amazon Fulfillment Services. And I
Speaker 1: open it and it's it's ten bottles of mustard. Ten Yes,
Speaker 1: I counted them, and it was like very like.
Speaker 2: Models mustard.
Speaker 1: Don't send me any more shit too much. I have
Speaker 1: to bring it down four flights of stairs to the trash.
Speaker 1: That sounds really annoying. Yeah, you the only reason you
Speaker 1: didn't send me the whole fuel drum of chocolate syrup
Speaker 1: is because Bianca talked you out of it, and she said,
Speaker 1: a reminder, you're playing the prank on Amanda too. You
Speaker 1: think that I think you're thinking of Tim Turry. Don't
Speaker 1: send me any more mustard. No, that sounds really annoying.
Speaker 1: I'll go toe to toe with you in terms of
Speaker 1: how annoying I.
Speaker 3: Can be someone's getting Raisins.
Speaker 1: I would I would welcome a box that size of Raisins.
Speaker 1: I like Raisins a lot worse than Ladybugs. That was,
Speaker 1: I will admit, very funny. What was it a one
Speaker 1: thousand or twenty five hundred or something bugs? But that
Speaker 1: was back when I was immature. I don't know who
Speaker 1: sent the mustard. Yeah, I assume you're on stream and
Speaker 1: someone's like, hey, Dan, this mustard's on sale for US
Speaker 1: scent each bottle on Amazon. I think raisins play an
Speaker 1: important part in trail mix because they alter the textures.
Speaker 1: You get a bit of chew in there. It's not
Speaker 1: all just crunch.
Speaker 2: But they're not even gross. They're just annoying, like raisins,
Speaker 2: like the flavor's fine at best. I feel like, if
Speaker 2: you're making a trail mix thing, why wouldn't everything be good?
Speaker 2: Because I feel like there's always that Why I want
Speaker 2: the pretzel.
Speaker 1: Well, peanuts are literal, like people use peanuts as a
Speaker 1: metaphor for things that are just filler.
Speaker 2: I think peanuts are great.
Speaker 1: I like peanuts. I don't think they're my favorite part, though,
Speaker 1: Like i'd rather I'd rather take the peanuts out than
Speaker 1: the raisins.
Speaker 2: Oh that's crazy.
Speaker 1: No, what trail mikes are we talking here? This one
Speaker 1: with like M and m's in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I sums cash cashewsh not have cash is peanuts.
Speaker 1: I think walnuts are in there. Sometimes pineapple smells ones
Speaker 1: with a bigger one on one end, like they're like
Speaker 1: a decu nut or no, sorry, the decu the spiral
Speaker 1: thing you get the beginning, the spiritual stone of the forest.
Speaker 2: I only want these things if they involve pretzels.
Speaker 1: Walnuts look like brains from up top. But walnuts are well,
Speaker 1: n'ts a lot.
Speaker 2: Kind of like nut variety stuff like pecans, walnuts, all
Speaker 2: that stuff's great.
Speaker 1: Almonds.
Speaker 4: I love a pecan, although I like them candied.
Speaker 3: I feel like a regular pecan feels like it's missing something.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, do you like the little candied
Speaker 1: squares of like pineapple and some trail mixes.
Speaker 3: I love the candied square of pineapple. I'm glad you
Speaker 3: brought this up. We invented this very important a replacement
Speaker 3: of the raisin but also cube form.
Speaker 4: They could have made it anything. But that guy was like,
Speaker 4: make it a cube.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I did it again.
Speaker 4: That girl was like, it's a cube.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it could have been a woman. It could have been.
Speaker 3: It probably was.
Speaker 1: Look up, look up Phyllis p cube. She invented the
Speaker 1: pineapple cube.
Speaker 3: The Turkish apricot.
Speaker 2: I'll take pineapple before raisin, for sure. You know what's
Speaker 2: good to dried out apples? You don't see that a lot.
Speaker 1: Oh yea yeah, but that's a good because those retain
Speaker 1: a lot of the apple flavor.
Speaker 3: I think you're leaning out of trail mix. Dried apple
Speaker 3: is not a trail mixed situation. You're dodging the question
Speaker 3: trail mix component Dan, And he's like, I don't like
Speaker 3: anything because it's all nuts.
Speaker 1: I want to I want to make a distinction. Not
Speaker 1: your favorite, the most important Oh, I mean the nuts.
Speaker 1: I want to be semantic about this, the nuts.
Speaker 4: If it didn't have nuts, it wouldn't be trail mixed exactly.
Speaker 2: So it's let's just say nuts in general.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, because that's that's basically all Like
Speaker 1: what which nuts and peanuts could Why because they add
Speaker 1: the filler or because they're the filler they're good, but
Speaker 1: also they fill. I'm not saying I like them, but
Speaker 1: they are by definition they're added because they're cheaper and
Speaker 1: they're easier to they fill. I think hash peanuts infinitely.
Speaker 4: More so important. And if trail mix doesn't have cashews,
Speaker 4: I'm like, this is for a bitch, like it has.
Speaker 3: To the cashier.
Speaker 2: So okay, So, Mike, you said the peanuts out of
Speaker 2: the shell. Is this just a mean thing? Like going
Speaker 2: to baseball games in the nineties and stuff and you
Speaker 2: get the big thing of peanuts in the shells. I
Speaker 2: would just put the whole shells in my mouth, you
Speaker 2: and you and swallow them. No, So I think I
Speaker 2: knew as a kid that like it would get really
Speaker 2: dry and like splintery, that's stringy. Yeah, and so but
Speaker 2: like I did, like they were so so salty. They
Speaker 2: were super fucking salty. So I just like suck on
Speaker 2: them and then chew them. And then you would also
Speaker 2: chew like so like in your mouth you would kind
Speaker 2: of purse out the peanut parts so you could swallow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like a sunflower se just spit out all the
Speaker 1: fucking like. Uh, I mean, I don't I don't necessarily
Speaker 1: agree with that. I get why you did it, opinion.
Speaker 4: I was angry.
Speaker 1: I was eating the entire sunflower seed until I was
Speaker 1: like eight. Yeah, I didn't know you're supposed to not
Speaker 1: do that. Yeah, the asshole was bleeding every time I pooped.
Speaker 2: That's the entire reason I'm still doing.
Speaker 4: I don't remember eating any corn.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because of a sunflower seed. Yeah, dismissing tooth was
Speaker 1: just literally biting surely in.
Speaker 2: A week or two, getting the implant finally put in
Speaker 2: after twenty plus years whatever. Because I was eating a
Speaker 2: bag of sunflower seeds on the couch washing fucking South
Speaker 2: Park in two thousand and three or something, and I
Speaker 2: just bit into it and my tooth shattered and it
Speaker 2: was bleeding like crazy, and it was a lot of pain.
Speaker 2: And I did not have health insurance. And I found
Speaker 2: out you could go to a dental school and they
Speaker 2: would do the business for cheaper. And so some fucking
Speaker 2: kid that was younger than me when I was like,
Speaker 2: you know twenty, uh fucked up. He really fucked up too.
Speaker 2: Like he hit me in the head with the like
Speaker 2: X ray machine accidentally, so like I'm in deep, deep pain,
Speaker 2: bleeding out of my mouth, and he's like, oh, he
Speaker 2: seems like the Simpsons, just like the.
Speaker 3: Simpsons child to imagine.
Speaker 4: That kid, we're all out of anesthesia.
Speaker 2: Bonks me in the fucking head with the X ray
Speaker 2: machine and they're like, well that now I'm hurting in
Speaker 2: a couple different ways, and I'm just I'm in hell
Speaker 2: right now. And then they say like, well we can, uh,
Speaker 2: we can we actually save the tooth. And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: how much does that cost? And they were like, oh,
Speaker 2: it'd be you know, four hundred dollars versus one hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty or whatever like something like that. It wasn't
Speaker 2: like thousands or whatever. It's like four hundred or whatever
Speaker 2: or one hundred and fifty. And I did not have
Speaker 2: hundreds of dollars, and so I said, oh, just pull it.
Speaker 2: And they're like you're probably gonna regret this later in life.
Speaker 2: And I was like how much later? And they're like, oh,
Speaker 2: when you're like forty, and they're like, that's never gotta happen.
Speaker 2: That's fine, And so I told him to pull the
Speaker 2: tooth and uh, they fucking tried to crack it out
Speaker 2: with pliers and also, fun note, this is during the
Speaker 2: time in college when I was afraid of the effects
Speaker 2: of drugs because I had my first panic attacks under
Speaker 2: uh when I tried mushrooms, and so I did not
Speaker 2: want to take any nitrous or drugs for it or anything.
Speaker 2: So felt every bit of this pain as they put
Speaker 2: the the plyers in and tried to get my tooth
Speaker 2: out and it broke off, and so they broke off
Speaker 2: the like kind of crown part of the tooth, the molar,
Speaker 2: and all of the root was still in there, so
Speaker 2: they had to fucking dig into my gums while I
Speaker 2: was not drugged and fucking like at one point he
Speaker 2: put his fucking foot against the chair to get leverage
Speaker 2: because he had to like yank this fucking bone out
Speaker 2: of my head and just bleeding profusely, all to save
Speaker 2: a couple hundred bucks. And sure enough, now I'm spending
Speaker 2: you know, like five figures trying to fix all this
Speaker 2: shit that I could have just spent a couple hundred
Speaker 2: bucks when I was twenty and had.
Speaker 4: It fixed backs So Little Timmy was right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's my son flower seed story.
Speaker 4: So is it your favorite part of the trail mix?
Speaker 2: Pretty good?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do really like sunflowers, like hey, but yeah,
Speaker 1: the barbecue ones. You kidding me? Barbecue ran this thing
Speaker 1: and in a couple of weeks, I'm gonna get I'm
Speaker 1: the same on a sunflower, go nuts on the dust,
Speaker 1: you break three other teeth. Uh yeah, No, I seriously
Speaker 1: didn't know you're supposed to spit out the seeds, so
Speaker 1: I was too old.
Speaker 2: They're fine, you can swallow.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: Jeff corrupted something to his asshole by eating too many
Speaker 2: some flower seeds shells.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't digest them all the way, and they get.
Speaker 2: So many that like fucked up his asshole and he
Speaker 2: had to have somebody blue sky to Jeff Grabb and
Speaker 2: asking about his asshole with some flower seeds.
Speaker 1: Okay, no, I can imagine. Yeah, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know all the things I would say. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: didn't ask for that either.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: The most important element of a trail mix, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna be fucking I'm gonna I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: that the eminem you need some sugar when you're on
Speaker 1: a hike. They add a lot of like a good
Speaker 1: flavor profile to it. They give it a bit of
Speaker 1: a candy. It's like those are the pieces that you're
Speaker 1: excited to see. It keeps you eating all the peanuts
Speaker 1: and the walnuts and the cashews and the raisins, the
Speaker 1: healthy stuff, because then you get to that next eminem
Speaker 1: You're like, oh this is great and on a hike.
Speaker 1: That's what you need anyway, you need to keep your
Speaker 1: blood sugar up.
Speaker 2: I will never buy a pack of Eminem's, but I'm
Speaker 2: upset about being confronted with M and ms.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I do like the Christmas like sometimes I remember that,
Speaker 1: Like my Grandpa always had the green and red ones
Speaker 1: for Christmas.
Speaker 2: So I eat a lot of those those. Yeah yeah, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: just the regular, but there were colored red ones that
Speaker 2: were they had those two ones.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, those were really good, the Prezza ones, the
Speaker 1: caramel pieces. Fuck them up? All right? Well, thank you
Speaker 1: Wes first not long time, first time, long time, long time,
Speaker 1: long time, long time, Western Baltimore. That's our show, fire
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Speaker 1: We do have a restock. Notice the stainless steel water bottle,
Speaker 1: the white one is back in stock at fourth Wall.
Speaker 1: So get that stocked up for our Game of the
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Speaker 1: three co op campaigns. We're doing one for fire Escape
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Speaker 1: and then we're doing also a show where we're playing
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Speaker 1: a patron already, Dan, what do you have going on
Speaker 1: in the meantime.
Speaker 2: Giant Bomb, I'm just doing a whole lot of stuff.
Speaker 2: We got a new website launching very very soon. Thank
Speaker 2: you Chuck for all the work going into that. But yeah,
Speaker 2: really going nuts over there. So check out Giant Bomb.
Speaker 2: We got the Twitch channel and all that stuff. But
Speaker 2: this time of year especially, it's kind of harder to
Speaker 2: find time there, So buyer escaping Giant Bomb priorities.
Speaker 1: Mary about you, Just.
Speaker 3: Usually streaming on Mondays when I can and Instagram lots
Speaker 3: of good dog picks on there. Come check out my
Speaker 3: happy dog in the fall in Portland. Lots of leaves, guys.
Speaker 3: It's stunning over here, is.
Speaker 2: The recent pictures, like I saw one like today. If
Speaker 2: you walk and seeming around like Portland looks delightful.
Speaker 3: It's so I'm so pretty in the fall here it
Speaker 3: really is like a it's just a magazine and I
Speaker 3: love it.
Speaker 4: It's a short lived time though, like soon it will
Speaker 4: be winter and there will be nothing.
Speaker 3: But right now I'm bliss, you know, like this is
Speaker 3: this is like a dream, so so I probably have
Speaker 3: like I want to say, there's maybe two weeks left
Speaker 3: of this and then all the leaves will be gone.
Speaker 1: What are Portland winters like rainy. Oh gotcha?
Speaker 3: Yeah, like really rainy, kind of sad on Oka winters.
Speaker 3: It's hard, it rains a lot.
Speaker 1: Oh tropical, Oh.
Speaker 3: Rain sounds incredible, it really does.
Speaker 1: And then I feel like I had something else. Yes.
Speaker 1: December sixth, Fire Escapes Game of the Year annual live
Speaker 1: stream will be commencing henceforth from Minneapolis, as we do
Speaker 1: every year. We'll be descending on Dan's house, Jake, Mary,
Speaker 1: Dan and I. I think we decided it's gonna be
Speaker 1: on twitch dot tv slash Dan Riiker. We're just gonna
Speaker 1: keep that going.
Speaker 2: And then we have the YouTube for fire Escape.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so if you're not, if you're not following the
Speaker 1: fire Escape YouTube, then go do that because that's where
Speaker 1: we'll be putting up the video version afterward, the VOD
Speaker 1: and tentative plan. I don't know that we're one hundred percent,
Speaker 1: but tentative is that we're going to if you can't
Speaker 1: make the show that day or you can't see the
Speaker 1: whole thing, because they tend to be like six or
Speaker 1: seven hours, we're going to break it into two episodes
Speaker 1: and publish those in the subsequent weeks before we get
Speaker 1: back and not the.
Speaker 2: Usual two week cadence, you will there will be like
Speaker 2: a bonus week where normally there wouldn't be anything, and
Speaker 2: now you'll get part one of a Game of the year. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then the normal post day you'll get part two.
Speaker 1: And then back to regularly regularly scheduled programming once we
Speaker 1: get toward twenty twenty six. Yeah, lot going on. Busy stuff,
Speaker 1: good stuff, are busy.
Speaker 2: Yeeah, we should uh do we have time? Like it's not.
Speaker 2: The next one is the Game of the year, right, No? No,
Speaker 2: this one more before we should each thinking, uh to
Speaker 2: give each other one homework assignment of like, Okay, this
Speaker 2: is a game I feel very strongly about, and I
Speaker 2: will talk about for like game of the year type
Speaker 2: caliber that we you know, say, at least get a
Speaker 2: couple hours into it or something.
Speaker 1: Okay, I gotta catch up.
Speaker 3: Me think I have to think about it like that.
Speaker 2: You've got a couple of weeks.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 3: It's just important because whatever we say, it's like what
Speaker 3: we're essentially saying is is like listen, this is going
Speaker 3: to come up during gody. I need you to take this.
Speaker 1: Seriously and we have to pick one that like obviously
Speaker 1: the other two have not really played.
Speaker 2: So yeah, okay, But.
Speaker 1: Then there's some I'm not even gonna bother recommending to you,
Speaker 1: Like a lot of people are telling me I would
Speaker 1: like Kingdom Come Deliverance too. I don't think I'm gonna
Speaker 1: recommend that to you too, But I know Jake has
Speaker 1: played it, so I'm gonna see what I think.
Speaker 2: Sure, it's good.
Speaker 3: Jake's going to be my saving grace for a couple
Speaker 3: of things because I know there are things that him
Speaker 3: and I play that you guys probably didn't play that
Speaker 3: He's gonna come out of the woodwork to protect me.
Speaker 2: God, it's a tough one because I would love for
Speaker 2: you too to play dest Training two a lot, but like.
Speaker 1: I've played a lot of deasth Training two.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he didn't.
Speaker 1: We talked to We talked about it for like thirty minutes.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I literally told me that you never played it.
Speaker 2: I'd be like, oh, okay, you should check it out.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's what you We're just assuming and
Speaker 1: I'm refuting it now I know, Okay, So don't assign
Speaker 1: that I won't or I could have had you assign
Speaker 1: it to waste yours. Now, it's not a combative assignment, but.
Speaker 3: Like it's a strategic ahead to you.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make you guys play like fucking City Defense
Speaker 1: six your Universalists, and I'll wind up loving it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sure. No I made that game up. If you
Speaker 1: couldn't tell, Well, that's our episode. Thank you everybody for joining.
Speaker 1: We'll be back in a couple of weeks with episode
Speaker 1: one twenty one, which is the final episode before our
Speaker 1: Game of the Year showdown Shenanigans. Should it be a showdown?
Speaker 1: Does that automatically imply it be combative?
Speaker 2: I think it's a discussion. I feel like it's rarely
Speaker 2: been combative. I think it's like certain silly arguments or whatever,
Speaker 2: like you know, me pushing for Fortnite or destranding or whatever,
Speaker 2: and you know, like, I think that's rarer than.
Speaker 1: YouTube for me a coalition to push Pickman right at
Speaker 1: the very end after we gushed the ball.
Speaker 2: It's been pretty cool.
Speaker 1: It would have been cool because Dan didn't do pick
Speaker 1: me a giant bomb, but this could have been his
Speaker 1: Pickman pick I don't know what voice that was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it'll be fun. We're gonna do our team dinner the
Speaker 1: night before, so I'm sure We'll be in great shape
Speaker 1: the next day.
Speaker 3: Oh we will.
Speaker 4: Our butts will be ready to go.
Speaker 1: My butt's gonna be torn asunder.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna eat so many seeds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna scread that only trail mix.
Speaker 2: We go to the sunflower seed restaurant here in Minnesota,
Speaker 2: and yeah, I just doesn't get shifts his brains out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm just leaking out of my butt the.
Speaker 3: Entire All the seats have paper towels on them.
Speaker 1: Perfect. Oh I'm bringing diapers this year, baby, don't you
Speaker 1: worry about that. All right, we'll be back in a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. Until then, see you, h