WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.160 --> 00:00:07.599 Callaroga Shark Media. 2 00:00:09.279 --> 00:00:12.039 Be there. I'm Johnny Mack with your daily comedy news. Now. 3 00:00:12.039 --> 00:00:14.039 When we last left, I left you on a cliffhanger. 4 00:00:14.199 --> 00:00:16.920 Did Matthew Brossard show up? Of course he showed up. 5 00:00:16.960 --> 00:00:18.320 I don't know. I saw one of the bus. Of 6 00:00:18.399 --> 00:00:21.120 course he showed up. He was fantastic. We did about 7 00:00:21.160 --> 00:00:25.079 forty five minutes raw with We had a technical snafpoo 8 00:00:25.120 --> 00:00:26.920 in the middle, so I'll take the break there. What 9 00:00:27.039 --> 00:00:29.440 happened was he had his ring light plugged in but 10 00:00:29.480 --> 00:00:31.039 not his phone, and his phone ran all the way 11 00:00:31.079 --> 00:00:32.479 down to zero. So all of a sudden you'll hear 12 00:00:32.560 --> 00:00:34.679 him drop out mid sentence. I'll explain that when we 13 00:00:34.719 --> 00:00:36.759 get to it. He's got a new special. It is 14 00:00:36.759 --> 00:00:41.560 called Hyperbolic. It is his full length debut special. In Hyperbolic, 15 00:00:41.600 --> 00:00:45.159 Matthew Bisard dives into painfully personal experiences growing up Cajun 16 00:00:45.240 --> 00:00:47.520 Jewish and a waspy Southern prep school, the challenges of 17 00:00:47.560 --> 00:00:50.520 millennial masculinity, is the bread loser to a former pro athlete, 18 00:00:51.200 --> 00:00:54.000 and candid stories about mental health struggles in his family, 19 00:00:54.960 --> 00:00:59.320 plus some oddly keen sidebars into grammar, etymology, pharmaceutical origin stories. 20 00:00:59.320 --> 00:01:02.799 And statistics. If you've heard me interview comedians in the past, 21 00:01:02.840 --> 00:01:05.560 this is a typical ride. We'll get into the structure 22 00:01:05.599 --> 00:01:09.239 of comedy. We'll talk a little crowd work, feeding the Beast, 23 00:01:09.560 --> 00:01:13.280 his favorite comedians, some comedy snobbery on my part. He 24 00:01:13.359 --> 00:01:15.560 turned me on to some people that weren't on my radar, 25 00:01:16.040 --> 00:01:18.760 and I really enjoyed. Mattie restart. Where are you today? 26 00:01:18.879 --> 00:01:24.280 I'm in my apartment in Brooklyn and sitting here. My 27 00:01:25.040 --> 00:01:27.719 fiance's out taking her Paris to the museum. So thank 28 00:01:27.760 --> 00:01:31.519 you for giving me an excuse to bail on in 29 00:01:31.640 --> 00:01:32.680 law entertainment. 30 00:01:33.040 --> 00:01:35.640 How'd you wind up in Brooklyn by way. 31 00:01:35.519 --> 00:01:40.200 Of Corpus Christy, Atlanta, Houston, LA? And then ended up 32 00:01:40.200 --> 00:01:41.599 here to. 33 00:01:42.400 --> 00:01:44.079 Work comedy out of New York as post LA. 34 00:01:44.519 --> 00:01:47.719 Yes, so I was dating my fiance who lived in Austin. 35 00:01:47.760 --> 00:01:49.280 I lived in LA and we wanted a place where 36 00:01:49.319 --> 00:01:53.079 we could both kind of do in the best version 37 00:01:53.280 --> 00:01:54.799 of the careers we were seeking. 38 00:01:54.920 --> 00:01:57.959 So she was a swimmer. You were a swimmer. Did 39 00:01:58.000 --> 00:02:00.560 you guys meet as swimmers or did you meet as commons? 40 00:02:00.840 --> 00:02:04.840 No, she was a swimmer. I did not swim on 41 00:02:04.879 --> 00:02:07.640 that level. I swam as a recreational swimmer. She was 42 00:02:07.719 --> 00:02:09.000 like a professional old dudes. 43 00:02:09.319 --> 00:02:11.560 I read an article yea, yeah, yeah, old dudes like 44 00:02:11.599 --> 00:02:12.479 me in the pool and you. 45 00:02:12.639 --> 00:02:16.280 Yes, yes, I was a I worked for the swim 46 00:02:16.280 --> 00:02:18.960 team in college, so I kind of knew of her 47 00:02:19.000 --> 00:02:21.759 through swimming. She knew of me through friends in swimming. 48 00:02:21.759 --> 00:02:25.039 In comedy, but yeah, just I was mostly I found 49 00:02:25.039 --> 00:02:27.319 her because she was a pro swimmer who I was 50 00:02:28.000 --> 00:02:29.599 a fan of and thought was very attractive. 51 00:02:29.919 --> 00:02:31.680 So did you get her into comedy or is that 52 00:02:31.759 --> 00:02:32.599 just an independent thing? 53 00:02:32.680 --> 00:02:33.280 Independent thing? 54 00:02:33.280 --> 00:02:35.240 I would say it's more she liked me because she 55 00:02:35.319 --> 00:02:38.199 was interested in comedy. 56 00:02:38.000 --> 00:02:39.680 And was doing improv when we met. 57 00:02:40.159 --> 00:02:41.520 Do you do shows together? 58 00:02:41.680 --> 00:02:45.520 Yes, so she comes into features from me on the road. Fantastic, Yeah, 59 00:02:45.560 --> 00:02:47.400 and it's pretty fun. We started doing Q and A 60 00:02:47.400 --> 00:02:50.159 at the end of the shows. It's it's neat. I 61 00:02:50.199 --> 00:02:53.120 have to tweak my set a little bit, because there's 62 00:02:53.400 --> 00:02:56.280 there's just no world in which there's no world in 63 00:02:56.319 --> 00:02:58.560 which you don't you don't know. Even people can be 64 00:02:58.680 --> 00:03:02.280 very stupid, people can be very smart. Most people understand 65 00:03:02.280 --> 00:03:05.599 when one comic is here from New York City who's featuring, Well, 66 00:03:06.240 --> 00:03:09.360 they didn't fly here to do twenty minutes, so clearly 67 00:03:09.439 --> 00:03:12.960 they may have come along with the headliner, and that 68 00:03:13.000 --> 00:03:14.560 we are the same age and share a lot of 69 00:03:14.560 --> 00:03:17.199 the similar demographics, it's not unreasonable to assume that we 70 00:03:17.240 --> 00:03:23.240 are partners. And even beyond that, the biography, the dual biography, 71 00:03:23.319 --> 00:03:26.520 you'd have to be pretty dense to not figure out 72 00:03:27.439 --> 00:03:32.919 that my professional swimmer fiance turned comedian was not her. 73 00:03:33.039 --> 00:03:35.680 Though some crowds have very much surprised me. I've had 74 00:03:35.719 --> 00:03:38.919 people after the show after I've set everything go. So 75 00:03:39.039 --> 00:03:41.319 just question. I noticed as she mentioned a lot of 76 00:03:41.360 --> 00:03:45.000 the things you mentioned, was that your fiance like they're 77 00:03:45.080 --> 00:03:47.159 Sherlock Holmes, and do. 78 00:03:47.080 --> 00:03:49.159 You guys get along in terms of like if you 79 00:03:49.199 --> 00:03:52.599 do fiance jokes. Does she understand the difference between the 80 00:03:52.680 --> 00:03:55.080 character the fiance or does that spill over? Yeah, back 81 00:03:55.159 --> 00:03:57.919 to Brooklyn, I think we all get it. 82 00:03:57.919 --> 00:03:58.360 We have to. 83 00:03:59.400 --> 00:04:01.639 You have to kind of force some details through for 84 00:04:01.680 --> 00:04:05.719 the sake of narrative and character, and you might have 85 00:04:05.800 --> 00:04:08.439 to embellish details. And I think we both understand that. 86 00:04:08.560 --> 00:04:09.919 And there are things that are said about us that 87 00:04:09.960 --> 00:04:11.800 are not accurate. But luckily we go up there and 88 00:04:11.840 --> 00:04:14.599 get to represent ourselves. So I say better than in 89 00:04:14.599 --> 00:04:19.000 most relationships where the other partner has no voice besides 90 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:20.519 mocking impression. 91 00:04:21.079 --> 00:04:22.319 I have been. 92 00:04:22.279 --> 00:04:25.639 Really trying in my comedy to be extremely truthful. I 93 00:04:25.680 --> 00:04:28.720 do try to keep the stories pretty accurate, so at 94 00:04:28.800 --> 00:04:31.160 least on a detail space, especially about my mom. 95 00:04:31.199 --> 00:04:33.199 I have a lot of stories about my mom on 96 00:04:33.240 --> 00:04:34.279 the special that are. 97 00:04:35.600 --> 00:04:38.040 My favorite jokes, and it feels like cheating because I 98 00:04:38.360 --> 00:04:41.360 don't have to make up anything. The details all happened 99 00:04:41.399 --> 00:04:44.480 as I told them, sometimes even a little more ridiculous 100 00:04:44.519 --> 00:04:47.360 than the story I told. And my mom doesn't like 101 00:04:47.399 --> 00:04:49.879 certain details. I read a note she wrote on stage. 102 00:04:50.519 --> 00:04:52.680 It's the one pushback I've ever gotten from her. 103 00:04:52.879 --> 00:04:53.680 Oh what did she say? 104 00:04:54.079 --> 00:04:56.639 She doesn't like it. She sent this note, and you 105 00:04:56.680 --> 00:04:58.120 can if you want to hear the note. I think 106 00:04:58.120 --> 00:05:00.759 it's the I think it's my favorite thing I've ever 107 00:05:01.480 --> 00:05:04.079 talked about on stage is this note. It's the funniest 108 00:05:04.120 --> 00:05:08.439 thing I think I've accomplished. But the note is from 109 00:05:08.439 --> 00:05:12.480 my mom to my fiance for her birthday. And I 110 00:05:12.560 --> 00:05:14.959 told her I'm going to read this and say. She goes, okay, fine, 111 00:05:15.120 --> 00:05:17.480 whatever you want to do. I don't get why it's funny, 112 00:05:17.480 --> 00:05:19.000 and then she came through a show where I read 113 00:05:19.040 --> 00:05:21.519 it out loud and she heard everyone laughing, and she 114 00:05:21.600 --> 00:05:25.120 still can't understand why it's funny. She still can't understand 115 00:05:25.120 --> 00:05:26.600 why people are laughing at this thing. She goes and 116 00:05:26.680 --> 00:05:28.879 they're laughing at me, and I have to explain her, No, 117 00:05:29.079 --> 00:05:31.839 they're more laughing at how earnest you are. It's not 118 00:05:31.879 --> 00:05:34.800 that anyone thinks. It's that people feel the things you're feeling. 119 00:05:34.879 --> 00:05:38.480 It's just so rare and interesting and funny to hear 120 00:05:38.519 --> 00:05:42.360 them so baldly expressed. I mean, there's a lot of 121 00:05:42.399 --> 00:05:46.000 stories about my mom that I have, and a lot 122 00:05:46.040 --> 00:05:48.079 of stories with my parents they have in my back 123 00:05:48.120 --> 00:05:50.519 pocket that I don't realize are good for comedy until 124 00:05:50.560 --> 00:05:53.800 I just tell them to someone and I realize they 125 00:05:53.839 --> 00:05:55.800 are not a normal experience. 126 00:05:56.199 --> 00:05:57.839 Do you have a home club where you work stuff out? 127 00:05:59.000 --> 00:06:01.319 Home club the celler, But I don't work out stuff there. 128 00:06:01.879 --> 00:06:05.800 Sure, sure, yeah. I work out stuff more on the road, 129 00:06:06.000 --> 00:06:08.000 So when I have a full hour, I like to 130 00:06:08.360 --> 00:06:10.079 That's where I tend to stretch out, because if that's 131 00:06:10.079 --> 00:06:12.079 strange fallus. The difference is work it out in the city, 132 00:06:12.120 --> 00:06:14.879 take it to the road, absolutely opposite of the road, 133 00:06:14.920 --> 00:06:17.040 there's so much more leeway. They're already there to see you, 134 00:06:17.040 --> 00:06:20.079 whereas the club is just in the city is so competitive. 135 00:06:20.680 --> 00:06:22.439 It's like, I don't even know if it's a great 136 00:06:22.560 --> 00:06:25.040 training ground. I think it's just it's more of a showcase. 137 00:06:25.040 --> 00:06:27.720 It's where you go to prove yourself every night, not 138 00:06:27.839 --> 00:06:28.959 to improve yourself. 139 00:06:29.319 --> 00:06:31.079 So how will you work things in? Are you like, say, 140 00:06:31.120 --> 00:06:33.720 I don't know, thirty eight minutes in playing stuff that 141 00:06:33.759 --> 00:06:35.720 you know lands and you're like, all right, feel in 142 00:06:35.759 --> 00:06:38.000 the moment here, let me just yeah, try something. 143 00:06:37.839 --> 00:06:39.839 Touch it where you know it's safe, feel the momentum, 144 00:06:39.879 --> 00:06:41.519 and when you have it, be ready for it to 145 00:06:41.560 --> 00:06:43.639 all go away very quickly. When you're a new joke 146 00:06:43.680 --> 00:06:46.879 doesn't work, and learn how to sneak things in where 147 00:06:46.920 --> 00:06:49.519 it fits because a lot of time because like the 148 00:06:49.519 --> 00:06:51.920 best jokes I had wouldn't work by themselves. It's just 149 00:06:51.959 --> 00:06:54.519 that they're propped up by a lot of material around it. 150 00:06:54.800 --> 00:06:57.879 So it's that structuring. And then sometimes I've started to 151 00:06:57.879 --> 00:06:59.240 do a little thing where I just kind of tell 152 00:06:59.240 --> 00:07:01.319 the crowd this is the new section and just have 153 00:07:01.399 --> 00:07:03.079 all those kind of fail safe So what I miss is, 154 00:07:03.199 --> 00:07:05.240 you know, just go well, that did not. 155 00:07:05.199 --> 00:07:06.480 Work the way I hoped, And you know you usually 156 00:07:06.480 --> 00:07:07.319 get a little last. 157 00:07:08.360 --> 00:07:10.560 Yeah, because as an audience member, we're all in it together, 158 00:07:10.639 --> 00:07:12.839 especially if you tell us like, hey, you know, I'm 159 00:07:12.839 --> 00:07:14.600 trying stuff out here and you make the Bob Hope 160 00:07:14.600 --> 00:07:16.639 face of oops, that didn't like you know, that's fun 161 00:07:16.720 --> 00:07:17.279 to be in the room. 162 00:07:17.360 --> 00:07:20.680 Yes, the more successfully are, the more you get away 163 00:07:20.680 --> 00:07:20.920 with that. 164 00:07:21.079 --> 00:07:25.480 I have bachelor atte parties who never didn't know who 165 00:07:25.519 --> 00:07:29.319 I was when they bought the tickets and probably won't 166 00:07:29.519 --> 00:07:33.000 again after the show, who don't have the patience for 167 00:07:33.199 --> 00:07:35.079 my artistic process. 168 00:07:35.319 --> 00:07:39.600 So you talked about dropping something into a successful set. 169 00:07:39.920 --> 00:07:43.399 I've really been on my soapbox this year. That tiktokization 170 00:07:43.680 --> 00:07:46.720 of comedy now of you know, here's crowd work or 171 00:07:46.759 --> 00:07:49.439 here's a good slam, and I feel like we're starting 172 00:07:49.480 --> 00:07:52.199 to lose the art of an arc man. 173 00:07:53.800 --> 00:07:56.959 Yeah, buddy, I'm already a member. I've already a remember 174 00:07:57.040 --> 00:07:59.839 this church. You don't need to preach to me. I 175 00:08:01.720 --> 00:08:04.240 it upsets me. I go back and forth because on 176 00:08:04.399 --> 00:08:08.800 one hand, the modular form joke is a strength of mine. 177 00:08:10.160 --> 00:08:12.720 I am not a full on jazz on like Mark 178 00:08:12.759 --> 00:08:16.079 normand but I do have jokes that I can extract 179 00:08:16.680 --> 00:08:20.279 thirty to ninety seconds in length that are a good meal, 180 00:08:20.959 --> 00:08:23.120 a full piece of comedy, and that has served me 181 00:08:23.240 --> 00:08:25.519 very well on social media. And that I have modular 182 00:08:25.560 --> 00:08:29.040 form jokes. I didn't get into comedy to do that. 183 00:08:29.279 --> 00:08:33.799 I like jokes that pay off just kind of you 184 00:08:33.840 --> 00:08:35.960 get a sense of completion, a couple of lasts and 185 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:40.440 a good circularity that a joke requires. But this doing 186 00:08:40.480 --> 00:08:44.080 this special was I debated if it was worth doing. 187 00:08:44.080 --> 00:08:46.080 I'm still debating if it's worth doing. I'm going to 188 00:08:46.080 --> 00:08:47.440 be able to extract a lot of clips out of 189 00:08:47.519 --> 00:08:48.840 with you WAT, And I think there's going to be 190 00:08:48.840 --> 00:08:51.440 structure in ARC. It's not a full hour structure, but 191 00:08:51.480 --> 00:08:53.679 there are three chunks that each kind of have their 192 00:08:53.720 --> 00:08:55.960 own theme to it. And this is not meant to 193 00:08:55.960 --> 00:08:58.039 be study. This is not meant to be like some 194 00:08:59.000 --> 00:09:00.399 you'll feel the thing where you want and if you're 195 00:09:00.440 --> 00:09:02.799 even watching passingly, I think there's a real good density 196 00:09:02.840 --> 00:09:06.399 of jokes throughout. So I don't know, I don't like 197 00:09:06.440 --> 00:09:08.440 that that shortening of attention span. I do think you 198 00:09:08.559 --> 00:09:11.080 kind of you know things moving cycles. I think that 199 00:09:11.120 --> 00:09:13.360 attention span kind of hit the bottom kind of hit 200 00:09:13.399 --> 00:09:16.159 that plank length and now it's kind of broadening back out. 201 00:09:16.159 --> 00:09:17.480 And I would attribute. 202 00:09:18.519 --> 00:09:21.279 Josh Johnson's success to that as well as his talents. 203 00:09:21.360 --> 00:09:24.039 But Josh Johnson is going so far the other way now, 204 00:09:24.039 --> 00:09:25.879 and I think there's an appetite for something that's more 205 00:09:25.919 --> 00:09:26.840 than twelve seconds. 206 00:09:27.320 --> 00:09:30.159 Sure, and you know, you know, I get too close 207 00:09:30.200 --> 00:09:33.759 to it, as you know somebody who is a fan 208 00:09:33.799 --> 00:09:36.480 and studies this. I recently went to see Craig Ferguson 209 00:09:36.879 --> 00:09:39.559 and he made a random reference like eight minutes in, 210 00:09:39.720 --> 00:09:42.000 and the back of my brain spent the next forty 211 00:09:42.039 --> 00:09:43.799 minutes going, he's going to bring that back, He's going 212 00:09:43.879 --> 00:09:46.120 to bring that. My wife's just sitting there as a 213 00:09:46.159 --> 00:09:50.320 civilian enjoying a good show, and I'm analyzing the structure 214 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:52.360 in my head, and like sometimes that drives me insane 215 00:09:52.360 --> 00:09:52.879 when I do that. 216 00:09:53.000 --> 00:09:56.159 Yeah, turn off the left brain. Yeah, the check out. 217 00:09:56.559 --> 00:09:57.600 I love that. 218 00:09:57.639 --> 00:10:02.159 You could spot the Chekhov's guns 's comedy. Yeah, that's 219 00:10:02.159 --> 00:10:08.200 exactly what that is. That's that's funny. Uh, there's there's comics. 220 00:10:08.200 --> 00:10:09.600 I mean, I don't I don't mind the you know, 221 00:10:09.600 --> 00:10:10.240 you can feel your. 222 00:10:10.240 --> 00:10:12.759 Left brain working. It's like I imagine how like a 223 00:10:12.799 --> 00:10:15.519 coach feels watching a game. When you watch out of 224 00:10:15.559 --> 00:10:17.399 the comedian who are the comedians? 225 00:10:17.399 --> 00:10:17.919 Who were? 226 00:10:17.960 --> 00:10:21.039 Your left brain turns off and you start to feel 227 00:10:21.039 --> 00:10:22.000 like you're not a comedian. 228 00:10:22.960 --> 00:10:26.919 So, you know the tree that starts with Stephen Wright 229 00:10:27.080 --> 00:10:30.440 threw Hebberg into Dimitri and whoever else you want to 230 00:10:30.440 --> 00:10:33.480 put on that tree. You know, that's sort of just random, like, oh, 231 00:10:33.519 --> 00:10:37.039 your brain works different than differently than Melfanakis. 232 00:10:37.120 --> 00:10:40.080 And I would say, now, right now, Casey Rocket is 233 00:10:40.120 --> 00:10:42.600 probably the greatest successor. 234 00:10:43.679 --> 00:10:45.879 Oh, I don't know Casey. I want to check Casey 235 00:10:45.879 --> 00:10:46.519 out immediately. 236 00:10:46.639 --> 00:10:51.159 Oh yeah, but. 237 00:10:50.519 --> 00:10:52.399 But yeah, you know, I'll get too close to it 238 00:10:52.440 --> 00:10:54.440 and I'll you know, i'll see the okay that happened, 239 00:10:54.440 --> 00:10:57.480 that's exaggerated for effect, that didn't happen at all. But 240 00:10:57.519 --> 00:11:00.159 it's funny like and you know, I hate that part 241 00:11:00.159 --> 00:11:02.000 of it. So I like going for the ride when 242 00:11:02.000 --> 00:11:05.240 I get a belly laugh of someone saying something that 243 00:11:05.279 --> 00:11:07.639 I didn't at all see coming I treasure. 244 00:11:07.799 --> 00:11:09.559 Yes, that's that's a wonderful feeling. 245 00:11:09.879 --> 00:11:12.759 I had that with a what's his name Chad Daniels 246 00:11:12.840 --> 00:11:15.279 joke this week, and he's such a traditional comic and 247 00:11:15.320 --> 00:11:17.200 a very good comic, but he had a punchline that 248 00:11:17.279 --> 00:11:19.639 it just knocked me on my ass because it was 249 00:11:19.879 --> 00:11:23.200 it was couched in such a traditional joke about men 250 00:11:23.240 --> 00:11:26.879 and women and parents and and and marriages that when 251 00:11:26.919 --> 00:11:27.639 I when I heard the. 252 00:11:27.559 --> 00:11:29.320 Punchline, it just it just got me. 253 00:11:29.759 --> 00:11:29.879 Uh. 254 00:11:31.519 --> 00:11:33.279 I would like to think it another in terms of it, 255 00:11:33.320 --> 00:11:35.080 how does your what what is your brain? 256 00:11:35.120 --> 00:11:35.519 Look like? 257 00:11:36.120 --> 00:11:38.399 Casey Rocket's great, but he's already more successful than me. 258 00:11:38.440 --> 00:11:41.120 So when am I getting out of this? Andrew Cassertano 259 00:11:41.720 --> 00:11:44.320 is a name that I hope everyone starts hearing more. 260 00:11:44.639 --> 00:11:48.600 It is. It is that true alt weird but still 261 00:11:48.679 --> 00:11:49.559 kills in a club. 262 00:11:50.360 --> 00:11:53.200 Andrew Cassertano, That's a that's a great name that I'd 263 00:11:53.200 --> 00:11:53.840 recommend to you. 264 00:11:54.679 --> 00:11:55.960 Sean Patton does that for me. 265 00:11:56.879 --> 00:12:00.440 Sean Patten's the guy where I lose track of what's 266 00:12:00.480 --> 00:12:03.360 the structure, what's the pattern, and just kind of enjoy 267 00:12:03.440 --> 00:12:06.919 myself because he seems to be on a ride every set, 268 00:12:07.120 --> 00:12:10.240 especially live. There's no game plan, there's no map or 269 00:12:10.279 --> 00:12:12.000 not one that I can see, and if there is one, 270 00:12:12.960 --> 00:12:14.279 I don't know how He's so good. 271 00:12:14.759 --> 00:12:16.399 The one I loved this year, My favorite Bit of 272 00:12:16.440 --> 00:12:19.279 the Year is Kyle Kanaane's chunk on Fast and Furious, 273 00:12:19.360 --> 00:12:21.679 just because he gets up a full head of steam. Yeah, 274 00:12:21.679 --> 00:12:23.200 and it's just fun. 275 00:12:23.320 --> 00:12:23.519 Yeah. 276 00:12:23.600 --> 00:12:28.600 He can have such strong opinions on such minutia, and 277 00:12:28.919 --> 00:12:31.240 I mean his Trader Joe's bit is one of my 278 00:12:31.320 --> 00:12:34.360 favorite of all time because it builds off of just 279 00:12:34.440 --> 00:12:38.039 a small inspiration. He builds characters and a scene. Do 280 00:12:38.080 --> 00:12:39.120 you know that one from I think it was like 281 00:12:39.159 --> 00:12:42.039 his first or second album might be from Death of 282 00:12:42.080 --> 00:12:43.879 a Party like his first album. 283 00:12:44.000 --> 00:12:46.960 Yeah, yeah, you know, as we're talking about studying it. 284 00:12:47.000 --> 00:12:50.159 I had the pleasure of working with the Carlin estate 285 00:12:50.360 --> 00:12:53.679 put together George Carlin Radio for Serious in Another Life 286 00:12:54.159 --> 00:12:57.000 and his manager, Jerry Hamsa, sat down and what we 287 00:12:57.080 --> 00:12:59.120 tried to do with the station was build the sets 288 00:12:59.159 --> 00:13:02.879 the way Jeorge did. Carlin did, and George Hamsa, the manager, 289 00:13:02.879 --> 00:13:05.399 explained to me like he couldn't just come out and 290 00:13:05.440 --> 00:13:07.480 do these big arcs. So Carlin would come out and 291 00:13:07.480 --> 00:13:09.080 do a bunch of rat a tat tat jokes for 292 00:13:09.080 --> 00:13:11.200 a couple of minutes and then do the long arc 293 00:13:11.639 --> 00:13:15.120 And it really educated me on changing speeds, changing volume, 294 00:13:15.200 --> 00:13:17.279 and taking the audience for that ride, but you can't 295 00:13:17.320 --> 00:13:20.480 just like I love him. But I saw Stephen writ 296 00:13:20.559 --> 00:13:23.200 one time, and Stephen Wright for ten minutes, fifteen minutes, 297 00:13:23.200 --> 00:13:25.960 Oh my god, I love him for an hour and ten. 298 00:13:26.120 --> 00:13:28.039 My brain was mud. It's tough, and I'm not here 299 00:13:28.080 --> 00:13:30.519 to bash Steven, but it was just like, I can't anymore. 300 00:13:32.120 --> 00:13:32.559 I hear you. 301 00:13:32.720 --> 00:13:36.320 Ronnie Chang gave me a good, long lesson about how 302 00:13:36.320 --> 00:13:38.840 to build a good hour. It's twenty minutes of ratatat 303 00:13:39.440 --> 00:13:41.039 and it was twenty minutes of kind of a more 304 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:43.320 theme joke, and then a twenty minute story to take it. 305 00:13:43.240 --> 00:13:45.679 Home, and each of those ask to circum lay into me. 306 00:13:46.120 --> 00:13:49.559 But it's you're right, you have to say not every 307 00:13:49.759 --> 00:13:52.200 So when I started comedy, the real. 308 00:13:52.360 --> 00:13:54.279 Pie in the sky was late night. That was the thing. 309 00:13:54.320 --> 00:13:57.200 We all wanted to do five minutes for Conan or 310 00:13:57.279 --> 00:13:59.919 Fallon or Leno and Letterman or whatever. 311 00:14:00.919 --> 00:14:02.879 And you thought about doing a perfect five minute set. 312 00:14:02.919 --> 00:14:04.799 And I had the impression that a lot of young 313 00:14:04.840 --> 00:14:08.480 camicks have is that an hour, a great hour is 314 00:14:08.639 --> 00:14:12.720 twelve late night sets. And that's just impossible. I don't 315 00:14:12.799 --> 00:14:15.600 know anyone who's really done that. I don't know the 316 00:14:15.639 --> 00:14:18.200 brain could handle that the consumer can handle. 317 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:18.320 That. 318 00:14:19.039 --> 00:14:21.879 I think a lot to Kumail nan Gianni's first and 319 00:14:21.919 --> 00:14:28.399 only special, Beta Mail, where he does thirty minutes very observational, 320 00:14:28.480 --> 00:14:30.759 pretty pretty run on the mill, and then thirty minutes 321 00:14:30.759 --> 00:14:35.279 of just one pretty long story. Oh and Jesus, Hannibal Buris, 322 00:14:35.320 --> 00:14:38.279 who's really one of my tough is maybe my favorite 323 00:14:38.279 --> 00:14:41.440 app My favorite special all time is Animal Furnace, but 324 00:14:41.600 --> 00:14:44.559 he has that Miami Nights, which is hard to find. 325 00:14:44.559 --> 00:14:48.120 Now he does ky twenty five minutes up top of 326 00:14:48.159 --> 00:14:51.720 his traditional style. It's great, but you know hannibalim so 327 00:14:51.759 --> 00:14:53.080 it doesn't knock do on your ass the way he 328 00:14:53.200 --> 00:14:56.159 used to and you're like, okay, well that's okay. And 329 00:14:56.200 --> 00:14:59.080 then at the minute twenty five he tells a thirty 330 00:14:59.080 --> 00:15:03.279 five minute story that is just in top gear the 331 00:15:03.399 --> 00:15:05.960 entire time. It's just such an incredible special. It doesn't 332 00:15:05.960 --> 00:15:08.879 slow down. You think, how can this story keep producing 333 00:15:08.919 --> 00:15:12.240 more plot points and laughs? And it's cool to see 334 00:15:12.240 --> 00:15:14.440 an artist evolved. I remember when jasel Nick the second 335 00:15:14.480 --> 00:15:17.440 half of Like What was It? The Thoughts and Prayers 336 00:15:17.480 --> 00:15:19.559 where he turns the story over to the death threats 337 00:15:19.600 --> 00:15:22.080 his family and that whole thing. I loved seeing when 338 00:15:22.120 --> 00:15:24.440 comics can change years. I love seeing what any artists 339 00:15:24.480 --> 00:15:28.559 can move away from a genre they've perfected into a 340 00:15:28.600 --> 00:15:31.519 scarier new realm and still succeed. I'm always rooting for 341 00:15:31.559 --> 00:15:34.399 the artist and whatever new stuff they're trying. 342 00:15:34.759 --> 00:15:39.879 Yeah. Absolutely, you run the risk of the fans turning 343 00:15:39.919 --> 00:15:40.240 on you. 344 00:15:40.200 --> 00:15:42.519 Though always, But you got to make what you like 345 00:15:42.799 --> 00:15:44.159 or you might as well have a desk job. 346 00:15:44.919 --> 00:15:47.559 I'll tell you I was one of the people, and 347 00:15:47.679 --> 00:15:51.399 I was wrong who When the late period Corlin stuff 348 00:15:51.440 --> 00:15:52.960 came out, I didn't like it. I thought it was angry. 349 00:15:53.000 --> 00:15:54.039 It just didn't soundn't like it either. 350 00:15:54.279 --> 00:15:57.639 Twenty twenty years later, he's the great profit of the 351 00:15:57.639 --> 00:15:59.919 twenty first century. It just you play that stuff and 352 00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:02.639 it's like, oh, did you record this earlier today, even 353 00:16:02.639 --> 00:16:04.399 though you've been dead for fifteen years, But at the 354 00:16:04.399 --> 00:16:05.759 time wasn't feeling it. 355 00:16:06.120 --> 00:16:09.039 Yeah, Hicks as well too, I am in my current 356 00:16:09.080 --> 00:16:10.879 Well you know what, they're both dead. I'm not a 357 00:16:11.000 --> 00:16:13.200 huge fan of there prea too late stuff. It doesn't 358 00:16:13.200 --> 00:16:15.120 do as much for me. I loved it as a kid, 359 00:16:15.200 --> 00:16:18.879 but it's I like a little more light hearted heartedness. 360 00:16:19.200 --> 00:16:22.440 Though after Trump lanning, I am not a fan of Trump. 361 00:16:22.600 --> 00:16:27.159 I do currently value a little more explicit point of 362 00:16:27.240 --> 00:16:31.519 view from people whose politics I agree with. 363 00:16:31.600 --> 00:16:31.919 It is. 364 00:16:32.120 --> 00:16:33.720 I've been listening to people on stage be a little 365 00:16:33.799 --> 00:16:37.240 more upfront about their anger and disappointment with things, and 366 00:16:37.279 --> 00:16:39.159 it is quite soothing. 367 00:16:41.240 --> 00:16:43.159 When your girl just lost. 368 00:16:43.759 --> 00:16:46.799 So for your particular style, you know, I would be 369 00:16:46.919 --> 00:16:48.720 surprised if I would see you tonight and you did 370 00:16:48.720 --> 00:16:52.840 political material. But are you letting your feelings? Are you 371 00:16:52.919 --> 00:16:54.679 telegraphing it to the audience, or it's just not what 372 00:16:54.679 --> 00:16:54.879 you do. 373 00:16:54.919 --> 00:16:55.639 I don't think anyone. 374 00:16:55.919 --> 00:16:57.879 I would be surprised if anyone couldn't figure out my 375 00:16:57.919 --> 00:16:59.919 political leanings after twenty minutes of comedy. 376 00:17:00.279 --> 00:17:02.399 But I'm not overt with it. 377 00:17:02.440 --> 00:17:05.400 I don't think it's the place for it for me. 378 00:17:05.640 --> 00:17:08.240 We were all kind of a I have done a 379 00:17:08.240 --> 00:17:10.039 lot of political comminat I've put out. I've put out 380 00:17:10.039 --> 00:17:13.039 some I put out a set foth Comedy Central that 381 00:17:13.119 --> 00:17:15.640 was pretty overt and it was I've not really taken 382 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:19.880 that tone before, and it was well received online. I 383 00:17:19.920 --> 00:17:22.559 haven't felt the urge to go after it again. I 384 00:17:22.680 --> 00:17:24.920 kind of did it more as a therapy and it 385 00:17:25.240 --> 00:17:25.920 served me well. 386 00:17:26.359 --> 00:17:28.200 This new hour is not very political. 387 00:17:29.960 --> 00:17:32.960 Little politics on the stage, but it's not as fun 388 00:17:33.000 --> 00:17:35.000 to address that on It's like a lot of things, 389 00:17:35.039 --> 00:17:37.359 it's fun if it comes into this frame. Right now, 390 00:17:37.359 --> 00:17:41.599 I'm talking more about myself and stories. 391 00:17:41.680 --> 00:17:44.960 And I happened to be at New Faces in twenty 392 00:17:44.960 --> 00:17:47.920 fifteen when you went up, Oh Wow, were you were 393 00:17:47.960 --> 00:17:50.920 one of them that popped. I put up the list 394 00:17:51.000 --> 00:17:54.359 right before I jumped on with you. But I definitely 395 00:17:54.359 --> 00:17:58.480 remember you because you know, you did your handsome villain 396 00:17:58.559 --> 00:18:00.960 from the movie's joke, and I always remembered it. 397 00:18:01.039 --> 00:18:03.000 Never use the word handsome, by the way, never I 398 00:18:03.240 --> 00:18:06.400 once heared that word on stage. A lot of people correct, okay, 399 00:18:06.440 --> 00:18:07.839 but a lot of people say that I said that 400 00:18:07.880 --> 00:18:10.599 about myself, and I'm like, I can't use that word. 401 00:18:10.599 --> 00:18:12.359