Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to the Last
of Us Reviews, Season two, Episode two. I'm the Hole
in one trust now and I'm joined.
Speaker 2: By I'm the Golver kirkle pat Sir.
Speaker 1: Yes, we are here to talk about Last of Us.
It's just me and Kirkling night. Taylor is still covering
from his injuries. I guess Dylan's got family dinner and yeah,
a whole bunch of weird scheduling and whatnot because of
Easter and wrestling, and luckily didn't think I was gonna
be able to make it. Can make it now because
wrestling was shorter tonight, which was nice on me and
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into it, says as always, nonspoort thoughts up top. We'll
break it down and then we'll give a little break,
so you know, if you want to bow out, come come,
come back and talk some spoils and stuff. So, mister Pats,
I have a feeling we're not gonna have a long
non spoils discussion because I think this episode is tough
to dance around. But what do you want to say? Uh?
What you can non spoilers.
Speaker 2: Uh, non spoiler yeah, non spoiler Wise, I think this
was just a just a stellar episode. This really like
big HBO, you know, budget showcase episode, and I was
definitely satisfied with what we got. Visually. I think it
was just a really really good looking episode, just the
way that, yeah, like they crafted a lot of just
the the certain shots in this episode. I was just
so amazed by reminding me of some legendary sequences of
the past. As I speak in riddles here, But no,
I think this episode was a big, big follow up
slugger of a hit compared to last week. I think
last week I had a like a lot of just
questions and uncertainties, especially just looking at it as a
one episode drop. I think, you know, HBO will never
do it, but I think I definitely would have been
happy with the episode one to two drop all at once,
just to I don't know, this just feels like a
more complete package now, but yeah, no it was. I
really don't have much more to say beyond that, non
spoiler wise here, so I think i'll just pass up
pass the baton to you there and uh yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm excited to talk about this episode because there's
stuff that I was waiting to talk about, and there's
still I'm not going to go into full spoiling mode
for the wrest of the game, but there's there's certain
things that happened in this episode that are really the
kickoff to what happens in the second game. And then
it's like, okay, now we can talk a bit more
about differences of the show and the game and kind
of the context of what's going on. Again, very well
made show, well crafted show, very well acted show. As always,
these people just deliver tenfold, And yeah, there's there's there's
a big sequence that I'm not as big as a fan.
I'm interested to talk to other game people because I
saw Mike and or discord he had no problems with it.
Me I had some issues with it. Nothing again that
it's it's not even nick picky. It's just that it's
tough when it's just I don't know, if you like
two flavors of ice cream, there's still one you're gonna
like more, right, And if it's like, oh, I like
this because or I don't know, I'm trying to think
of like a pizza topic or something. But it's just
tough because it's like you like both of them, but
you know there's one that you like more. And if
you go, oh, but this is the way I'm making
it's like, yeah, I know you're making it this way,
but I still prefer it that way. And it's always
tough because it's a different medium. But at the same time,
there's things here that I thought that they still could
have done that I preferred in the other medium. But
I don't think we'll talk about it with you, and
we'll get Dylan, and I think dylm knew some of
the big stuff going on here. We'll get Taylor stats
next week. As far as you know the juxtaposition where
you guys are is a video game not player, So
our non video game player don't know why sevieo game
not player of just last So specifically, I'm not like
shitting on their skills or anything. They don't play video games.
But yeah, that's what I love the show about to
see these full and adaptions to go from there. But yeah,
I think it's very well made, and it hits with
a big moment, and there's certain things that aren't in
the game, and I say that I did enjoy even
more as far as some imagery going on. So yeah,
I got nothing more to say. Nonspats, whyse you get anything?
Speaker 2: No I got, I got absolutely nothing.
Speaker 1: All right, ladies Jones. So if you've not seen the
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and we're back. So you know, Kirkland, tonight was a
very tough night for your boy because you know, WrestleMania tonight,
I had to watch my guy Cody Rhodes lose the
Championship tonight. So that was tough after year long rain.
And then here I am again, as I've said, we'ren spoilers,
had to watch Joel Miller get killed the fucking second time,
you know, you know, brutal all.
Speaker 2: That happens in the game. Oh I thought that was
the devation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, l But yeah, I'm gonna start with you because
you had you heard any inkling of this before?
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, I don't think. I I think just
leading up to I think it was even just after
like season one finished, I was just seeing like online
posts or like memes and people just being like, oh,
I'm not ready for season two because I'm gonna have
to relive this moment. And like I never saw an
image of like a dead Joel or anything, but like, like,
who else could that really be? Like really, like, you know,
I know Ellie is like the main character of Part two.
Joel's really not a Like he really wasn't on like
any marketing material. I feel for at least what I
saw around last was Part two, like the video game.
At least, maybe I just wasn't paying attention to it.
But yeah, I just I'm not a big I'm not
a good detective. But I feel like that was the
world's war kept secret leading into it. Now. It didn't
like help the moment at all, especially me. I honestly
thought he was gonna be a part of like majority
of the season. I obviously didn't think he was gonna
be making it out the whole thing, but uh, yeah,
to have that happen in episode two, especially with it
already being like a very like this is like you
could do one episode just on like the Battle of
the Town and like that's that's a good ass episode,
you know, Like I would have been pretty happy with that,
but pairing this massive character moment, that's like, you know,
we went on this whole journey with the entire season
one people that played the game, like that whole adventure,
to here we are, second episode in season two and
we're just killing off his character. And I am curious
if we're gonna be getting like more Pedro like just
with flashbacks and stuff like that. I don't know if
that's like a game thing that happens if Elly interacts
with them post post mortem modem, post mortem mortem, But yeah,
I know this this was a really really big moment.
I I think they did just a stellar job of
building the tension, and like, I have no idea how
it happens in the video game or anything like that,
but I think how they did it here was really good.
It Honestly, it's funny that it's HBO. It reminded me
of like a Game of Throne moment when like I
know something absolutely horrible is gonna happen and I'm like, oh,
I don't let it happen. No, Like like I'm like
so mad that it's happening, but it but like I
tip my hat because it's just well well crafted and
they're provoking that emotion out of me, so I know
that they're doing something right. And uh yeah it it
was a gut punch moment. So uh yeah, rest in peace,
Joel Miller. And uh Abby, Abby is the new bad guy.
Speaker 1: See that's what I want to ask you about the
new bad guy thing, right, because so there's multiple things
about this and I'm curious, you know Barbosa that I'm
curious about. So in the game, what happens is like
for cut scenes, he dies, Yeah, it's about like thirty
two minutes in, so it happens right away in the game,
Like that's you got gameplay in between of you walk
around the alley, but it's very early on. I'm pretty
sure the first time you see Joel, I can't remember
if the dance happens or not to have to go back,
but it's like it might be it's either one of
the first time or the first time is when he
says Abby. And at this point you just know Abby
and Owen and the team are looking for something. They
see the city when the game nothing about her being
like that's her dad. There nothing about Joel killing the fireflies,
and it's just this is a random group of survivors
heading their way and stuff like that. So they say Abby,
whole that whole scene say play the same way. They
go to the cabin, and then they say Joel has
some line like oh, you guys seem like you know
us because actually in the game it's Joel and Tommy,
it's not Joel and Dina. So and what happens and
just little changes, but like they beat the ship and
have Tommy and knock him out instead of this very
confluente like I have this needle and knock her out
for one hour, okay, it was like just fuck yeah,
just hit her with a gun and that's like, why
do you even do that? But that's one thing I
will say that in the game, other than i'd say Owen,
most of the group's a lot more like yeah, fuck,
like let's get Joel where this they made it more
they're a little iffy about it. And then the game
the same thing. He turns around, he gets shot. They
turn a kid his leg and she just says something like, oh,
you know why I'm here, and he just says, ah,
get to your fucking speech. And then like always says,
do say the speech you've been rehearsing and then get
it over with. And then she gets the club and
then she says, you know, like not you know, it's
not gonna be slow, old man, you super old man
hits them and they cut to Ellie getting there, and
then when they get their Jeel's pretty much already dead.
She hits him in the head with the golf club,
just killing him instead of stabbing him in the neck,
and then it's kind of over. So in the game,
it's very almost quick. It's like within five minutes we're
in this. It's like this very long drawn out like
Abby's given her whole backstory, so one, I just felt
kind of like, I guess to go back what I
was trying to hint about last week. I much preferred
not knowing Abby is gonna do this. I loved in
the game if you just meet this girl and then
all of a sudden, she's just fucking killing Joel. And
even when they killed Joel, you never hear, like you
don't get to hear that side of the story. You
never know why they killed Joel for a while. And
then later on in the game they get to a
point where Abby like something happens. I won't say, but
something happens with Abby. And then what happens is in
the game you're playing as Ellie and you switch over
and play as Abby because you go all the way
back five years and you play as Abby, and then
they're like, oh fuck, this is the like this was
her dad is who Joel killed. So you don't find
out till like halfway through the game Abby's motivations. So one,
I just liked that better of just like I thought,
I thought it was just weird to open up with
lassos bic, I'm gonna kill Joel, and then the next
episode like she kills Joel, like it just kind of
like it streamlines it. So I feel like, obviously it's
different for you because you had an idea, so I
want to help you had zero idea. I don't know
if Taylor did, but like, I just like that idea
of the shock and awe better and then two with
it being so drawn out, and she does like say
that in the game, like hey, I'm I'm not gonna
make it like it's going to be slow. But in
the game it's one hit and then they cut to
you know, Ellie find him and he's you know, die
on the ground and hit in the head with this.
Because you said she's a new villain, and I agree
with you. I thought in the video games they made
her more sympathetic because at first they make her of
the villain and then you finally like, man, Joel killed
her dad and all her friends. I feel kind of
bad about this and the tortures not on screen, but
I feel like with this pacing and las like she
hits his head like or hits her his leg like
five times with the club. There's just a scene of
her beating on his head. We're in the game, like
some of that stuff happens, but it's all of screen,
I feel like they've made her not really sympathetic at all.
Like I feel like as me and Emily had seen
me play a game the same thing, She's like, Oh,
I just want Ellie to kill Abby. We're in the game.
It's supposed to make you feel more like iffy about it,
because it's like, oh, like, Abby also went through this trauma,
so why should I want this? But I felt like
they just they made her too villain ish and she
shouldn't be right because technically Joel did kill innocent people
and her dad. But for me, it was the pacing
of the scene and how long it was, and and
the pacing of how Abby's reveal was done. I didn't
love it as much as the game because I just
thought they've made her less sympathetic, and I feel like
now everybody in the world it looked. It felt like
a Megan Walking Dead thing where I feel like you
ask most people, they're gonna be like, yeah, I want
Ellie just to fucking destroy Abby, where it's like you're
supposed to feel conflicted. So for me, that was my perspective.
Scene wise, all great Diver was great in that scene,
like her controlling her speech Pagro's good too, because he
doesn't get to do much. He's just reacting. But and
even all the other people, the side people that I
always never know how to pronounce her name, but like
tat to that girl from you, like she had some
good facials. So the scene itself, what that was her
last like, her name's not Tata Falcon, I know, yeah,
a little Falcon, but so yeah, I still thought the
scene was good and very well done and very brutal.
The two ad ins I like is that they in
the game when they kick Ellie, that knocks her out,
so instead of her being like she's alive for when
Joe gets a killing the bull, but they knock her out.
So I love it when she crawled over and laid
on them, that was like a add on. That was
a great imagery of just her lying on this dead body.
And then that last shot of the montage of being
not her and I can never remember the boy the
ex boyfriend's name, but they had the horse and you
see Ellie look back like, oh did they leave him there?
And then they pan out. It's like no, they're dragging
this dead body and it's like, oh, I got chills now.
So again not taking it down like, oh, this is
shits just had some preferences, but they also added some
really cool things to it or you know, morbidly cool thing.
Speaker 2: So yeah, no, I think the scene was really well done,
but I don't think they succeeded in and maybe they
weren't trying to do it. I would hope they were
trying to do it, but I feel like they didn't
do a good enough job at making us, yeah, feel
sympathetic towards Abby, like at least enough like they I
feel like, do the absolute bare minimum. I feel like
it's really on like Caitlin Deavers like acting that's like
selling me on it the most, because she shows so
much emotion and like pain over this murderer that just
came in and like shot up eighteen people. That. Yeah, like,
I'm assuming they knew them pretty well, let alone her father,
who was just an unarmed doctor. So I I think
it's like, Okay, that's that's the little piece right there
that I should be latching onto. But I I don't
think they I was gonna say, I don't think they
evolved upon that enough. I'm assuming that'll come later on
in the season, just like the trauma. I think that
Abby kind of like witnessed that made it this way.
But I feel like her I feel like just like
psycho tendencies are like overweighing it though. I'm like the
fact that she just straight up murdered, like tortured this person,
Like it's one thing to just kill someone for revenge,
like you know whatever. I mean, not whatever, there's laws
in place, but in this, in this world, I get it. Yeah,
it's what, it's it's whatever. It's an eye for an eye,
But yeah, they like straight up torch to them, especially
that like this guy's like whole city is just being
like raided by zombie right now, and like probably everyone
that he like knows and loves is just getting eaten
alive from his point of view, like he's rushing to
go save them, and like he's just getting tortured up
on this hill top where like thinking about the pain
that he's in and then also all of his his
loved ones that could be just getting uh marked. So
it just added to like, yeah, like the the nefarious
nature to everything that was going on. So I think
it's like a very one sided. Abby's a bad guy
at least with how it's done in the show. Yeh,
that's my take on it.
Speaker 1: And in the game their cities not being attacked. It's
just there out on a run and everything like that.
So that's something that's different, and that's something where it's
like that felt like okay for like he said, very
Game of Thrones, HBO big battle, Like we're gonna have
this big invasion, so be curious what they do after
the fact. I wonder if they're gonna make it that
that's how Ellie goes alone to go do some hunting
because they're like, oh, our town is is rotten, so
we can't you know, we can't go help you Ellie.
But in the game, shit, I think she just pieces
off like hey, I'm gonna go figure some stuff out
and everything. But yeah, it's it's interesting and like that's
that like that scene that they had her when she
was like her young self was talking to her old self.
That happens in the game. But that's just literally the
flashback of when you're you play as Abby and you
play that day when you find out and you see
your dad, dad and everything like that. So they will
touch upon it again. But that's the thing where the game, Yeah,
they don't lay it out. You play as Ellie for
a bit and then the halfway point you switch to
Abby and it's a long track, but you literally play
like those not like five years worth, but you play
the five years out as Abby. There's some times skips,
but and yeah, you don't play as Ellie for like
a good twenty hours after it's just you're all Abby
and stuff, which I did not like because I'm not
a big prequel guy. So it's like I understood the
point what they're going for in that game, and I
thought that almost overdid it of Like, Okay, I get it,
like Joel's a bad guy, I understand, Like, but yeah,
so but there is stuff that you will see with
Joel still, so I think that's how they can cheating
self page or that there is flashbacks coming up. There's
still some unresolved stuff so you will have that.
Speaker 2: So nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So yeah, I didn't think he was actually gonna
I had a feeling just with the way things were going,
but I was wondering if it was going to last longer, Joe,
like when they add the therapist and some other like
there's another episode right there. We got that rumor of
that one off episode about the therapist and her husband
that he's supposed to killed Eugene. Yeah, like he'll be
back for that, So you got that stuff. But yeah,
I actually thought it was gonna happen last week and
it didn't, so I was really worried I was gonna
have to spend a whole season just bouncing around this
fucking a.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I know. It's uh, even for me that
didn't witness it in the video game, like because I
knew it was coming. The best place to do it
is probably early on the show, because I'm just gonna
be like, oh, we're getting closer to it, We're getting
closer to it, and then people like you that have
played it are gonna be just as you said, dancing
around the spoilers.
Speaker 1: Plus the people that have no idea gives them more
chance to accidentally be spoiled via like TikTok Instagram like oh,
what episode do you think Joel will die? Joel's gonna die?
What do you mean?
Speaker 2: And like it really was a like a just excellently
done scene like when when Abby is running away from
the zombies just just great. Yeah, everything about it was
so fantastically She's like crawling like behind that fence. There's
just so much like tension with them, like breaking through
the fence and just like almost getting her to finally
getting away. And at first I thought it was yeah,
I don't remember his name either, but the guy that
went out on watch with Ellie, Like I thought that
was the one that saved them. And then I thought
it was gonna be Ellie like with him, like the
one finding Abby before Joel. But yeah, as soon as
they saw Joel there, I'm like, oh my god, I
forgot he's actually on patrol right now, Like this is horrible.
There's no way he's making it back to the town.
And then yeah, I don't know. I thought they were
going to like capture him and then just have a
little bit more time with it, but they got They
got right to it. That's why they were there, right,
that's their whole mission. And then Abby's whole like four
was pretty much just trying to convince her like that
he admitted it, trying to convince her that we should
just drop this mission and go back, but they got.
Speaker 1: I got an idea, like I can't remember I got Abby.
It's like, oh, whatever, go for a walk and Okay,
I'll do that, and they're like, what's your idea. It's
like my ideas, I'm gonna not gonna get her not
to do it. I'm just like, could you have not
done this? Like before we left? If I was that person, like,
could you have done this before we left? Like we've
fucking hiked miles? Let's get this one sing now, let's
just kill him. So second obviously because the city and
everything I get. That's why it's the second thoughts, right,
because it's like, how can we pull this off? And
just you know, a coincidence that Jual happens to be
out there on patrol but not not the smartest the
plan and yeah, same thing in the game. They meet
like everybody out there in the wild. It's not just
like Abby bringing them back. They bump into them all
and stuff, so a little bit different. Not that you
need that happening, because I'm sure they don't want to
pay for all the fucking horses and hope that they
you know, all work and everything. But yeah, no, uh,
there's some point I was gonna make. But uh, well
that's one thing with Abby too. That's where the other
when you play through her, you get to see her
as like the young little girl. And that's when when
they start doing some time jumps, you see her like
getting bigger and bigger, because that's her idea is she's
training herself be a fucking weapon. So when she finds
this guy, she's just gonna destroy him. And I still
wish that was I still wish we had a bulking
actress or something like that, But you know, I digress.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she didn't need the muscles, you know, it's just
all the technique with those golf swings.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the size of the club. It's all about the
size of the hard and the swinger, you know.
Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah, And then I think another thing that
I'm hoping i'll uh just enjoy more is well, like
I guess the Abbey character. I don't have much with
her right now, but mostly just like her her crew
around her, because as you as we're kind of just
alluding to there is like I feel like, yeah, like
if I'm in her crew, like I need a little
bit more. Then this is just a revenge mission to
go murder this guy. And like the logistics of how
it's all gonna work, Like okay, like why are we
doing this? Get Like like I feel like all of us.
Speaker 1: Could friends too, like there, but.
Speaker 2: She's the only one that feels like this is the
Vendetta mission, like we're gonna fucking all of us are
gonna die or or or we're gonna win. And like
I just feel like at most, maybe like little Falcon,
like that character is like to the level of like extreme,
like he gets a little heated when Ellie h slashes
up his face. He wants to just kick the shit
out of her. But like I feel like every other
character there, like you have like the nurse lady that
just seems like so timid and like does not want
violence at all. She's like bawling her eyes out when
Abby's just going to town on Joel. But I guess
I just need a little bit more like firefly stuff.
Speaker 1: But you'll get there. You'll definitely get yeah, Okay, yeah.
And that's why because especially they've said that the game
is gonna be splitting the two parts, there's like another
point in the second game they could kind of maybe
have like a cliffing or ending and whatnot. So there's
lots of if they I don't know how they're necessarily
gonna tell the story because like I said, that's what happens.
Where you start from Elli in present day, Joel gets killed,
stuff happens, and then they switch over to Abby, and
then you go back and you play from Abby until
always she gets back to that big point. So I'm
not sure if they're gonna how they're gonna riddle the
flashbacks out, because I understand you couldn't and I do
agree appeal you couldn't do that the same way of
the TV show just completely go back. I just think
there are certain ways you could have withheld Abby's story
until now and then maybe, like to me, even like
one episode to tell Abby's story, like we get all
the time episodes of just like here's a character episode, right,
I think like we just reviewed a show recently that
had that, didn't it that we enjoyed. It's not Dared Evil.
I thought there's something within last year, but I'd digress.
So I don't want to take too much time thinking
about But I enjoy shows that.
Speaker 2: What was Penguin? But I'm just trying to think there's
things that held together and I thought maybe.
Speaker 1: It was a Disney thing. I don't know, but I
can enjoy an episode and that's where it's like if
you were to do all those Abby flashbacks or whatnot
in one episode and tell that kid, like to me,
it would be you kill her all. You kill them
right here, and I feel we just talked about this fuck.
I'm trying to think of what it is. But you
kill Joel off here, and then the next episode is
like the Abbey flashback where you completely see things from
her side of point of view, like reveal Joel's the
killer of her dad, other stuff, her relationship with Owen
and these others and how it plays them too. So
but I guess they're may just gonna sprinkle them or
just constantly flashback. I don't know that's what's gonna be interesting.
So yeah, yeah, I'm trying to think there's anything else
on Joel and Pedro.
Speaker 2: But uh yeah. The other thing that I I think
I was just a little bit confused on my U
where my emotions are at in this moment is like
I just don't know all of the uh like the
players in play that like are affected by this other
than just like Joel, like immediate people around him, like
the Tommies of the world. I think it was also
just weird for me because I was wanting like another
scene between Ellie and and Joel but before this moment happened.
I guess that just doubles down on how horrifying it is,
because like they weren't in a good place and then
now they'll just never have an opportunity to kind of
like you know, pave pave that way. Uh, just whatever
I'm trying to say. So, I yeah, I'm I I
think it was just great performances there, but I'm just
want to know what happens now, Like are we gonna
be hunting down Abbey now? Is this gonna be just
like you know, a never ending you murder me, I
murder you, and then and then I'm gonna murder the
next person. Then you're gonna murder the next person. Like
like where does this end? And they're kind of situated
in Seattle? Is that what they said the militia?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, oh, you can come to Seattle, but I
thought you're gonna make it there. It's like, well, you know, shit,
you're about to kill me. I get it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then where's our team right now? Like we're
I feel like pretty far from that, aren't we? What
team Jackson? Is that what it's called? The town.
Speaker 1: Oh, you mean like from Seattle to like Jackson, And yeah,
I think that's Afar. I don't know for sure, but.
Speaker 2: I think Jackson, like what even is? Like what state
are they in?
Speaker 1: I don't know, we don't know.
Speaker 2: You played the game, assume you would know.
Speaker 1: I literally Emily said we have to go vote at
Parkinson Rec Center and I said, what's that? And she's like,
you've lived your twenty years long on me. How do
you not know? Like I don't. I'm bad with geography.
So let's see Jacks some questions.
Speaker 2: But like, I don't know if that's a it's probably
not a fictitious Wyoming Wyoming.
Speaker 1: It's in Wyoming. So that's saying to Seattle. That's the
drive time. That's a fifteen hour drive. And I don't
think cars work as much a team.
Speaker 2: We're just marching this whole way. And then they're like, Okay,
we got to convince her that we're going to go back.
Speaker 1: That's fifteen hours drive time converted to walking. Let's can
you just.
Speaker 2: Click the little pedestrian on like Google Maps.
Speaker 1: I did. I don't think that's going to give me
that there, I'm I'm on, let me take a look
here oh maybe there is. Drive, No, it's not doing I.
Speaker 2: Guess it wouldn't be a common option.
Speaker 1: So well, yea walking, Oh there is.
Speaker 2: Okay, here's popular walking routes.
Speaker 1: So if you cycle, that's four days. So do you
think do you.
Speaker 2: Think what's gonna it's like snow time?
Speaker 1: Well, right, they were walking, But I'm gonna say, for
Ellen crew, if they would go to Seattle, do you
think horseback and cycling equal to me about the same thing?
Speaker 2: Hmmm, because like cycling wouldn't be like all terrain like
a horse would. So cycling make it more because you
have to go like a more general route.
Speaker 1: Right, because there's some stuff you can't you can't go
through a horse you could cut through some stuff. So
the day it's a walking distance is an estimated sixteen days,
so pretty much a day for an hour. Like when
it said fifteen hour fifteen hour drive, I said day
for an hour. Yeah that way, So that's actually not
like like, don't get me wrong, if you're telling me, hey,
trust you gotta walk to you know, see you out,
I'm right now, big Oh that's awful. But in the
post apocalyptic I'm out for yeah II sixteen days, two weeks,
I can do that to go kill the guy to
kill my dad, you know, but then going back still Yeah,
but yeah, you know that's what not two weeks and
two days. That's not too bad. Yeah, go kill your
father's killer.
Speaker 2: Another thing that I forgot to mention that I don't
I don't think it helped my my being in Abby's
camp here is I also just think that the way
that the scene is played out in season one with
the Fireflies like taking Ellie and it being like like yeah,
like they're just gonna Yeah, it's like a really like
dark sequence that I feel like in that moment they
are just kind of enemies, you know, like like to
the viewer's eyes, like through.
Speaker 1: Her blood could save everybody.
Speaker 2: Though yeah, I know, I'm just saying like the way
that that scene plays out, I never feel like, oh
my god, he's just murdering civilians here, like this is
like we have to save Ellie, like that's the goal.
So I think I'm just carrying that into season two.
And then I see this the moment where they're like
vengeane these characters that I thought were just the enemy
from last season. So I don't know, it's uh, I
guess there's probably something there for maybe how Ellie's angry
about stuff that's going on.
Speaker 1: You a line in real life if it comes back
to something.
Speaker 2: Like, well, Travis, and they said that they weren't gonna,
you know, hurt you, and then I and then I
say that you.
Speaker 1: But then whuld you feel bad if I woke up
and said like, yeah, you should have killed me. I
should have had the like gave everyone the cure.
Speaker 2: Maybe, but like, let me live with that decision at
that point.
Speaker 1: You know, we'll cross that bridge when that happens, and
I get kidnapped at some point, so it's good to know. Yeah,
I don't think about it because it's an awkward situation.
Like that's like if you're telling me, if I'm in
the postpl acalyptics situation and one of my just even
kids get kidnapped, it's like, hey, we got to kill
them for this sea And again it's not like I
guarantee it's gonna work, but it could work. It's like, yeah,
it's a tough that's a tough thing. We'll put yourself
into you. So yeah, uh yeah, let's take uh oh,
we took a break. We won't take one yet because
I don't know how long were you talk more about
the other town, so, but anything more on Joel than
Abbey and the team they were they were walking back
at the end all successful mission, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh not love for Dina in this episode. I'm
interesting they.
Speaker 1: Put her on the mission. Like I said, in the game,
it's Tommy with him so.
Speaker 2: And Dina is a character right from the game.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, the same thing, like they're in love
like or fall in love and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: So I see, Yeah, No, I'm just interested in kind
of how she's gonna take this because, like I imagine,
she knows Joel's dead, like everyone was there. They buried him, well,
not buried him, they wrapped him, and now they're getting
them back into town. But we just had her say
anything since that moment. So yeah, I'm intrigued on how
that dynam is gonna go. And I think I'm just
really interested in uh Ellie now because like like last
week's episode, it was just okay, she's just moody or
just angry at Joel for some reason. We don't really
know what's going on, so it's just kind of an
annoying angry teen that's mad at someone for something and
now that like I don't even really have that answer answered,
but like she's gonna be a completely different character because
she just witnessed this fatherlike character and just get absolutely murdered.
And we do have Ellie kind of talk a little
bit about the dynamic with her and that gentleman that
we never know his name Jesse. Is that his name? Sure,
I don't know.
Speaker 1: I got a better I get a better chance to
find Wyoming before I figure out Jesse's name.
Speaker 2: Take a shot to the dark. But they're just talking
about like the dynamic tween them, and it's like, you know,
he's Joel, Like that's it's always gonna be that. So
there is still like not pure dead to me vibes
from Ellie there. But I don't know. I'm just she's
gonna be pretty fucked up, I think going forward, especially
with just how they ended that dynamic of the relationship.
Still didn't even get to say anything to her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're gonna get some I think you'll
be happy with the Ellie content. I love, I really
enjoy Ellie in the first game, but Ellie in season two.
I cemented her as one of my favorite characters because
there's just a good journey there. And hell, I got
a daughter named after this character, right, So it's one
of the things where there's some.
Speaker 2: Av you don't have any Abby children.
Speaker 1: No, I don't get any Abby children. I still like again,
I like the Abby character. Some people despise it. I'm
completely fine with it. I think it work and I
get that exactly. I think the show. I'm hoping there's
a couple more episodes that will like just get into like, hey,
this person was fourteen years old and their dad was
gunned down. From her perspective, just trying to save the world, right,
like you think about it. In her perspective, Hey, we
have a chance to save everybody, get rid of these stalkers, clickers, whatever.
We could maybe go back to normal if we get
this operation. And then the next time you see, your
dad's dreams are just everywhere, right. So from her, I
hope they do a better job kind of nailing that
down of like all the things she could have lost
in that situation.
Speaker 2: But you said she was fourteen, but here she said
she was nineteen. Is that a difference in the game?
Speaker 1: Did Abby say she was nineteen?
Speaker 2: She said she was nineteen when she discovered her dad.
Speaker 1: Okay, then I think that might she might have been younger.
Speaker 2: I feel like she was younger unless I completely misinterpreted
that sequence, like I'm nineteen, motherfucker, but that wouldn't make
much sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how old was Abby when father killed? Let's see
a google comes up here, Let's see. Oh god, there's
a lot of too many Reddit lores and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: It's all of her interpretation. Is it a solid answer?
Speaker 1: Yes, you know it was so in the game. Yeah,
it was implied that Abby was around fourteen to fifteen
year old when her dad died. So it's funny the
stuff I can't remember from the game, Like, there's the
funny stuff you can't like, I should not be able
to remember that Abby was fourteen to fifteen, but I
can't remember that guy's fucking name. You know. It was
like a case of characters I can't remember. I think
just because that's in the game, it's they probably did that.
So there's not such a jump from the way Caitlyn
Deaver looks, because again they have her in that that
dream sequence where it's like younger her and older her,
and I'm always still like, you guys look like you
braided her hair, like there's no difference right here where
in the game fourteen fifteen year old little girl and
then five years later jacked woman, you know, like looking
like Rhea Ripley and stuff. So that's probably why they
maybe aged her up. So it's like, oh, she doesn't
have a look completely different body type wise, right, So
there you go. Hmm, it's my goats anything on the
town attack stuff. I enjoyed this all. Like I said,
it's not in the game. I think it was good action.
There's not much for me to breakdown of like, oh,
there's like this choice and this choice. It's pretty appure
and simple of uh. They tease it last week at
that little pipe having those those little tendrils calm things out,
and they came there and lots of stuff going down,
lots of uh. I guess these ones are made the stalkers,
a smart ones just going to get some roof access.
Lots lots of lots of dead people in this. And
I will say, like again, cinematically great in that time
when Abby found the bodies in the front like the
ice and all woke up, that was great. It felt
definitely give me like Game of Thrones, like the wall
vibe and everything. But so yeah, there's not anything huge
modes like we didn't lose any big characters here. But
I thought this was very well done and some good tension.
And I read like the moment with Tommy and the
the big Bloater when he had the flamethrower and it
was just like the last few pumps got the got
got on the wind.
Speaker 2: So it seems that scene fell like a win on
so long. It kept going from like him with the
gun to the to the bloat or whatever it was called,
and then like back to him and then it'd show
his tanks and then like back it like it would
cycle that like three times, I swear, and then it
was just like ps I going down. It's like, okay,
I get it. He's he's running low man. Tommy was
everywhere in this battle. He was like he started on
the wall. Yeah, he stormed down, picked up the flamethrower
you dealt with that, got back in the streets, like
was popping off. I thought, I'll one hundred percent sure
he was gonna die in this sequence, just because he
was in or like he was just in so many situations,
I assumed he was gonna get a bopted. At some point,
I thought it was gonna be him or his wife.
I thought it was going to be like a really
heart wrenching sequence. But it makes sense that that didn't
happen because we had a massive We had a massive
loss with the likes of Joel Miller, so it makes
sense those those people wouldn't be killed. I I don't
know if that's something true, like does Tommy have like
a wife and everything like in the game, Like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all true. Yeah yeah, And like I said,
just some of this big bad but yeah, that that's
I believe all true. That's track in the memory.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I think as someone that hasn't played the game,
I think they did a really good job of just
having stakes in that situation because I I thought the
whole town was gonna get eaten. Honestly, at a certain point,
I did not think it was gonna end super well.
But they were. They were well prepared, They had a
lot of defenses set up, and it was just a
really well shot like battle sequence. I was just I
was definitely getting just some inkleans to like the you know,
of course, the famous Battle of Helm's Deep, just like
the different stages of the battle even even like like
the bloater like first appears and they're like.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, like, aless, bring him down.
Speaker 2: It was just there's some parallels there, But I mean
it's not a bad thing if you're getting compared to uh,
you know, one of the greatest, probably the greatest see
each battle of all time. So I thought they did
a really good job with it. Like CGI looked good, honestly,
Like there was the big bloater monster. I could tell
it was CGI, but like it didn't look bad by
any means. Even even the dogs, like they had some
close ups they look vicious and it looked all good.
So yeah, really really well executed uh battle. And uh,
I don't know, I just thought it was going to
build up a little bit more too, Like there's just
a lot going on in this episode. I was not
expecting to get so early. But yeah, now it's got
me talking and I'm just I can't wait for next week.
They did a good job with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it really went to like zero two, one
hundred real fast. Get the abs scene. Then they had
just the snipers looking at and then there's just a
couple in the stow and then.
Speaker 2: Just yeah, just gone. That guy's reaction too, which is
like what what is that? And then it just like everything,
It's like man, what, like fuck, what do we even do?
What's the particle? Good thing? They had a safety meeting
like that morning, so they were pretty good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we gotta have those safety meetings. You know. Last
week Ellie and Dina not listening to them. That's why
you have to. They know what they're doing there. So
but yeah, lots to rebuild and see what's gonna happen there.
And like I said, that's a lot going on. It's rebuild.
Joel's dead, who was like a i'd say, one of
the leaders, you know, like of that place. And also
it's gonna impact Tom and a bunch of other people.
So yeah, it's gonna be It's gonna be something. I
guess we forgot to mention. Before Ellie's journey, Uh you know,
uh bigot guy gave her some steak sandwiches to try
and make good.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that guy.
Speaker 1: I like a good little back and forth. I'm sorry,
I got drunk and and she's like, yeah, I know,
I know a bunch of peo like a drunk and
say things they don't mean and then that's enough just
to accept the apology. But uh yeah, fun though that
that's from the games too. I don't know if the
dialogue is the exact same, but yeah, trying it.
Speaker 2: Felt like a side quest thing, like like like it's
it's not even a side quest, it's like a miscellaneous
like interaction, like go interact with that guy before you
head back.
Speaker 1: He's like, oh, if you don't have to talk to them, yeah.
Speaker 2: Exact Yeah, that's exactly what it felt like. So they
did a good job with that because it felt very
video gamey.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anything else in this episode.
Speaker 2: Oh man, some of that was bugging me. In the
sequence when they just had like the lines of flamethrowers,
like flame throwers, I feel like, are they would be
an effective weapon against zombies, but like from Afar, like
I would never be like standing in a FAILANX like
like a shield and a spear type guy, but like
you're just standing there with the flame floorer like, yeah,
I'm gonna light up a zombie, but they're they're not
gonna stop. They're just gonna run right through my flames
and just fuck me up. And sure enough, something one
of the one of the flamethrower. Guys got bopped pretty sure.
They all got bopped actually except for Tommy. So of
course he had the plot armor uh protection on him
that time that time around. But yeah, I don't put
a flamethrow on me in the zombie po.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say it, don't get me wrong, Like
if there's no weapons and it's flame floor floor flame thrower,
I'll take that weapon, but not my key weapon, even
veil games. I feel like they can just backfire, you know.
Speaker 2: So yeah, no, it's uh, I don't know, you don't
get a lot of bang for your for your buck.
I just feel like it's a slow damage over time
that uh it's not gonna protect. You need like a
shotgun blast, like get the fuck away from me, you know,
not like a big little flame the mount. I mean,
I thought the bloater was like not affected by it
at all. It was just walking right through his flames.
And then sure enough, with the the power of plot armor,
he was he was saved. Our dear boy, Tommy Beyond
That's what else happened. Oh uh who we think? I
think his name's Jesse. Jesse and Ellie. They come across
the h the little pot farm thing going on. She
got the she's filled up her bag with some weed
and got like a gas mask bowl thing that she
was taken back. It's funny enough, it's four twenty today,
so there you go. It's it's it all came together. Really, No,
it's not today, it's four Twenty's the fairy.
Speaker 1: In March April? Oh my god, it is, because you
know it's throwing the office because today the twins are
five months old, so I'm thinking it's the five. It's
a four. I just like I've seen nothing about it
being four twenty.
Speaker 2: Like my I didn't realize until like literally way in
the afternoon. I was like, oh my gosh. And it's
only because someone's birthday is the day before four twenty.
That's why I remember it.
Speaker 1: And wow, they.
Speaker 2: Forgot the birthday, so apologies to that person.
Speaker 1: I forgot a birthday too. Yesterday. There's somebody I was
supposed to message. I messed them today. I was like, oh,
and I don't think I know. I certainly they've looked
at my message. It's like one of my oldest friends,
he hasn't looked at it pretty much, he hasn't looked
at it and he was online at least five hours
ago and I said this message seven am, so he's
probably like, fuck this guy podcasts and I was working.
I got the podcast Everything Wrestle Meia. It's just and
I just don't use Facebook as much as I used to,
Like I actually use all social media lasts, but Facebook
especially I just I don't know, especially we're getting election
times and whatnot. There's another there's you got enough awkward people.
I'm like, I can't unfriend you because you're like a
family friend. But like, I'm definitely gonna mute you right
now because I don't need these reasons, you know, like
just go vote and be quiet. So yeah, happy birthday, Jeff.
But yeah, and he oh, we'll return to that weed
shop I met they go follow, I say, it's like
that's where they break it and no, there's just like
some fun stuff that happens there, so we should return
there in the in the future.
Speaker 2: So cool. Yeah, and I also am excited to figure
out who the fuck you genus because we are just
doubling down on this guy two episodes in a row.
People are very impacted by Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jesse was pretty like pro Joel though, like, oh
he had to put them down, you know, So it
didn't sound like it was like not that wasn't sad,
but wasn't like some people might be like, oh, is
that the way I had to go? He seemed pretty distinct,
like you have to do that. And then we also
got Jesse. I hope his name is Jesse. It's gonna
be the Andy Adams situation again. We had him do
that kind of fun little moment with Ellie where he's like,
you want you kissed her after a week and you know,
I know and stuff, and then but that was a
really dick move. So yeah, he knows they're all cool.
It seems like kind of like what we talked about
last week that maybe they broke up because maybe she's
she's non dudes or not as dudes as much as
maybe she's in Ellie. Right, So it doesn't seem like
there's any like hard feelings between the two of them,
and especially after Joel dies, we don't need some sort
of like going your friends storyline.
Speaker 2: Died, but I know what you did my girl.
Speaker 1: Yeah I can't believe. Yeah, that would I would not
enjoy jealousy throupple storyline.
Speaker 2: While we're bearing the new villain over.
Speaker 1: He gave Abay the information again in there so.
Speaker 2: Cool, No I got nothing.
Speaker 1: Well, there you go. We will be back next week
and hopefully we got Dylan and Taylor, or even if
it's not us, hopefully Dylan Taylor on there so we
can get their thoughts because we got that I have met.
I don't know how it's gonna because, like I said,
there's lots of flashbacks that haven't happened yet, there's stuff
with Abby. I'm not sure if it's gonna be one
of those episodes really show a bunch of stuff. I'm
not sure if it's just gonna be a classic like
depressing episode where it's just all the characters dealing with
the information, right, like Ellie, Diana, Tommy, other people, right,
like the fucking therapist. Like, I don't know which we're
gonna get next week. I could see them doing a
very quiet episode because not only did you get a big,
huge show changing moment, he also had a massive battle, right,
So you can't have everyone being like, oh, another slow episode,
like this episode wasn't slow or anything. So I could
see next week being a very drama heavy, Melancholi type
of episode and then get into some other stuff, and
I don't think it's a bad thing. Usually the show
has great writing, great acting.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah we will be back next week and I promise
you it will not be boring.
Speaker 2: Bye bye