1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,319 Speaker 1: My lovely people of Chicago. Our seniors need our help 2 00:00:03,319 --> 00:00:06,519 to get vaccinated against COVID nineteen. That's right, Let's do 3 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:09,880 it for them and for ourselves. Please learn more at 4 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:14,000 Chicago dot gov slash senior VAX. Let's help our communities 5 00:00:14,039 --> 00:00:17,320 by helping our seniors. Hey, Chicago, Let's help our beloved 6 00:00:17,359 --> 00:00:20,359 seniors get vaccinated against COVID nineteen to care for them 7 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,399 and protect our community. They need us now more than ever. 8 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:27,800 Please learn more at Chicago dot gov slash senior vas. 9 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:30,679 Let's help our communities by helping our seniors. 10 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 2: Welcome back, everybody. There's a lot of music in this 11 00:00:37,039 --> 00:00:39,399 episode today. If you want to purchase some of the songs, 12 00:00:39,439 --> 00:00:41,960 you can always get them on Apple Music or Google Play. 13 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,679 But for your convenience, we have placed links in our 14 00:00:44,719 --> 00:00:47,039 show notes to the vinyl albums if you're into that 15 00:00:47,119 --> 00:00:50,079 kind of thing, so please check those out. 16 00:00:50,359 --> 00:00:53,079 Speaker 3: All right, everyone, Welcome back. This is episode three of 17 00:00:53,119 --> 00:00:55,640 a three part Van Halen series that we're doing. 18 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 4: This one's called Van Hagar. 19 00:00:57,359 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 2: The first two episodes were The Birth of the vand 20 00:01:00,399 --> 00:01:03,079 and the Rise and Fall of David Lee Roth, and 21 00:01:03,119 --> 00:01:06,319 now we're concluding with part three, Van Hagar where we 22 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:10,319 listen to the band with its Sammy Hagar lead, and 23 00:01:10,359 --> 00:01:12,560 then we do our final closing arguments. 24 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:13,359 Speaker 4: Can't wait for that. 25 00:01:13,719 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 2: We want to say thank you again to all of you. 26 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,799 Were overwhelmed by the response that we're getting. Had just 27 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:20,359 amazed at your input. 28 00:01:20,439 --> 00:01:21,719 Speaker 3: One of the things we like to do on our 29 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:23,599 show is give a shout out to our friends and 30 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,439 other podcasts. There is a podcast out there called What's 31 00:01:26,519 --> 00:01:30,560 Your Spaghetti Policy and our good friends Alex and Jacob. 32 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 2: Yes, thank you Old Jae Brownie. Thank you guys very 33 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,959 much for sharing us on Twitter. Sharon that you're listening 34 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:40,439 to us. I hope you're enjoying these Van Haleen episodes. 35 00:01:41,359 --> 00:01:43,840 We still want to know the source of your name. 36 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:46,640 But just for those folks who are listening out there, 37 00:01:46,799 --> 00:01:49,760 go check them out. They describe themselves as nonsense and 38 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:54,159 free following podcast for your oral pleasure every Friday. You 39 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:59,120 can check them out on Podbean, Ituned, Spotify, and if 40 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,120 you want to go check out their merchandise. They do 41 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,480 have a cool logo. Might be worth getting a T shirt. 42 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:05,359 Thanks guys, really appreciate you. Thank you guys. 43 00:02:07,319 --> 00:02:09,479 Speaker 3: Okay, let's give a quick shout out to our new 44 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:11,639 friend at spoon Lamp on Twitter. 45 00:02:11,879 --> 00:02:14,439 Speaker 2: At spoon Lamp is one of the guys who's listening 46 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,159 to us across the pond over in the UK. 47 00:02:17,439 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 3: That's crazy. 48 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 2: It is crazy. It's awesome. 49 00:02:21,599 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 3: He shared our podcast with a butt of his name, 50 00:02:23,759 --> 00:02:24,639 doctor Mayhem. 51 00:02:24,879 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 2: Yes, and he commented on our post as well. He said, 52 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,840 what a great trip down memory lane. Awesome podcast, guys, 53 00:02:31,879 --> 00:02:35,120 thumbs up both the first and second win is part 54 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,759 three out it's out today, spoon Lamp, and you were 55 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:38,319 a part of it. 56 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 3: That's awesome. I think he's a hagar guy. 57 00:02:40,879 --> 00:02:46,159 Speaker 2: Well that's okay, I still like it. Okay. 58 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 3: Let's give a quick shout out to our buddy Rich Tompkins, 59 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,639 who actually reached out to us messages on Facebook. 60 00:02:52,719 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. He sent us a message said, just 61 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,960 found you guys on cast box. So far the Van 62 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:02,240 Halen episodes are fantastic, loving it. I'm hooked. We said 63 00:03:02,319 --> 00:03:04,439 thank you so much for listening. Rich, so glad you 64 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:06,080 liked him, and I said, how did you come across 65 00:03:06,199 --> 00:03:09,280 us on podcast? And he said an ex GI buddy 66 00:03:09,319 --> 00:03:13,000 in Dallas referred him. Thank you to your buddy as well. 67 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,840 He said there's a load of bad Van Halen podcasts 68 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,919 on cast box and a lot of rabid VH fans 69 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,319 who are going to love our work. Well, I certainly hope. 70 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,240 So that's all that we want. And he said he 71 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,400 spread the word to four of his buddies. Thank you 72 00:03:26,479 --> 00:03:27,159 very much for that. 73 00:03:27,199 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 3: Thanks Rich, Thanks Rich and friends. 74 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 5: Hello everybody, and welcome to the Surely Can't Be Serious Podcast, 75 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:52,199 discussing and debating the iconic and the forgotten of eighties 76 00:03:52,199 --> 00:03:54,199 and nineties pop culture with. 77 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: Your co hosts James D. 78 00:03:56,159 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 5: Graves and Jason Colban. 79 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,479 Speaker 2: Welcome back for Part three of the sure That You 80 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:04,000 Can't Be Serious Podcast. 81 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,319 Speaker 3: Here's a quick recap of last week's episode. 82 00:04:07,639 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 2: They came back from the tour and they were exhausted. 83 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,080 Eleven solid months on tour. 84 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 3: And eleven months killing it every night, hard work and 85 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,800 get back. The manager of the record company says, great job. 86 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,160 You guys did awesome. You host three million dollars in 87 00:04:22,199 --> 00:04:30,680 a new record. What sweezee, so. 88 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:31,959 Speaker 2: Guinness book a world record. 89 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 3: They got one point five million dollars for a ninety 90 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:35,639 minute set. 91 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 2: They make more money than anybody has for that, but 92 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:40,920 tensions are still high. 93 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 3: The tensions are high. Even a million dollars an hour 94 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,160 can't cure some of the tensions that are going on. No, 95 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,160 So during nineteen eighty three, they begin working on a 96 00:04:49,199 --> 00:04:51,639 new album YEP, to come out at the very end 97 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,199 of nineteen eighty three YEP, and that album is called 98 00:04:54,519 --> 00:04:55,319 nineteen eighty four. 99 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:01,759 Speaker 4: This is a new van Halen. 100 00:05:01,959 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 2: The diehard Van Halen fans are getting mixed reviews. Some 101 00:05:05,639 --> 00:05:07,879 of them are sticking with them, some of them are like, 102 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:09,720 I don't know what's going on with these guys. You 103 00:05:09,759 --> 00:05:11,560 get those guys who think they sold out, and so 104 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:13,319 then all of a sudden, if it's popular, they're not 105 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,160 interested anymore. Yeah, I don't care about you guys. 106 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,959 Speaker 3: How teacher comes out with the young Van Halen boys 107 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,199 running around the school terrorizing, right, you've got missped his 108 00:05:24,319 --> 00:05:27,720 head and misspelled and miss science or whatever, and those 109 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:29,720 spelled teachers running around. 110 00:05:30,319 --> 00:05:34,199 Speaker 2: You've got his kind of awkwardly sighing mother. And then 111 00:05:34,639 --> 00:05:38,160 when Waldo speaks, he's got this unusually deep voice. 112 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 4: Oh mom, Yeah, no, are not like other guys. 113 00:05:44,319 --> 00:05:47,519 Speaker 1: I'm nervous than my socks are too. 114 00:05:47,759 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 3: You know who that voice is right now? That voice 115 00:05:50,439 --> 00:05:52,600 is Phil Hartman of saturn Aline. 116 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:56,879 Speaker 2: Oh Phil Hartman, God rest his soul. Their success is 117 00:05:56,959 --> 00:05:59,839 beyond what has it has ever been in history. They 118 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:02,319 are literally at the top of their game. 119 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 3: And this is where it falls apart. So eight o'clock 120 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,480 in the morning, they're supposed to be there to write 121 00:06:08,759 --> 00:06:12,439 and play music. Dave would show about eleven, start a fight, 122 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:13,079 and then leave. 123 00:06:13,519 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 2: He, unbeknownst to them, goes and finds another group of 124 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:21,279 guys to play with, produces an album, a four song album, 125 00:06:21,519 --> 00:06:24,040 which he says, hey, you know, any album's only got 126 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,279 four good songs on it. Anyway, I'm just cutting off 127 00:06:26,319 --> 00:06:29,160 the fat. As it turned out, there were only really 128 00:06:29,199 --> 00:06:31,680 two good songs on the album. This is the ego 129 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,199 speaking right here. He does an interview with David Letterman 130 00:06:34,639 --> 00:06:37,639 in early eighty five talking about that album, and Dave 131 00:06:37,759 --> 00:06:39,680 is trying to find out what's going to happen with 132 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:40,480 the rest of the band. 133 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:42,519 Speaker 6: I think now's a good time on New Year's to 134 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,000 decide whether you're going to be a hot dog or 135 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:46,120 a little weenie. 136 00:06:58,480 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 1: When you're doing solo work. 137 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,079 Speaker 2: Is the Does this mean that the band will soon 138 00:07:02,199 --> 00:07:03,319 be breaking up? 139 00:07:03,399 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 1: No, No, that happens. 140 00:07:04,519 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 6: You know, I still have very I still have very 141 00:07:07,519 --> 00:07:10,759 strong tribal instincts, and we'll be going into the studio 142 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,399 like the middle of this month and start arguing again, 143 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,879 and we'll come back out with an album sometime this year. 144 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 3: Hopefully. 145 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 2: He has this full expectation that the band's going to 146 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,199 stay together. But you can't be the guy who goes 147 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,879 and trashes the meetings, the guy who rates somebody for 148 00:07:26,959 --> 00:07:29,959 going and doing work with other people, and then pull 149 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,279 off this stunt and expect to remain in the band. 150 00:07:32,399 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 6: Boom Budda, boom Badida, Boom Badida, boom Budy. 151 00:07:40,279 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 2: Dave is out. 152 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:44,199 Speaker 3: Dave's out in nineteen eighty five, right at the pinnacle 153 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:46,040 of their professional career. 154 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:46,959 Speaker 4: Do van Hagar? 155 00:07:47,199 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 2: The first time I heard it was on the movie 156 00:07:48,879 --> 00:07:49,360 Joe Dirt. 157 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 6: No, sir man, I don't like that crap. 158 00:07:52,839 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 3: I'm a rocker dude through and through. 159 00:07:54,839 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 7: Here's my favorite bands, AC DC, Van Halen, not Van Hagar. 160 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 3: Sammy officially joins the band in nineteen eighty. 161 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 2: Five, and he's the perfect perfect guy to come on. 162 00:08:26,079 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 8: Toody and go. 163 00:08:27,199 --> 00:08:31,279 Speaker 1: To heaven, hang around to report again. 164 00:08:32,039 --> 00:08:35,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you've got a good hearted guy, successful in 165 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:44,799 his field, better voice, great stage presidents. It seems like 166 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:46,639 the perfect replacement for a day. 167 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 3: So they get together and because Sammy is a better musician, 168 00:08:51,279 --> 00:08:55,240 better writer, they start working and they come up with 169 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,440 a song called why Can't This Be Love? 170 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:12,639 Speaker 6: Time tell me. 171 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:38,919 Speaker 8: I never have al it's got what it tastes. 172 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 2: And of course why can't This Be Love has a 173 00:09:43,759 --> 00:09:45,919 song lyric in it which has been made fun of 174 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,679 a little bit, the Only Time will tell if we 175 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,879 stand the test of time. In two thousand and eight, 176 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,759 the Telegraph named this the eighth worst lyric of all time. 177 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 3: Only time will tell we stand the test of time. Yeah, 178 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:02,799 that's simple wisdom right there. 179 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 2: Yes, why can't This Be Love? Is what Sammy Hagar is. 180 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:08,720 And you look at how many times love shows up 181 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:12,480 in the title of his songs, And where did love 182 00:10:12,519 --> 00:10:15,519 appear for David Lee Roth? And you talk about that 183 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:16,200 tiger love. 184 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:17,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, nobody got time for. 185 00:10:17,759 --> 00:10:25,919 Speaker 2: It is the physical sexual prowess versus the meaningful beautiful. 186 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 4: That's appealing to me. 187 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 2: They're just two different bands. 188 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:29,639 Speaker 4: They are too. 189 00:10:29,639 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 3: They're completely different bands, I mean totally different. 190 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:37,399 Speaker 2: And I don't want the van Halen that plays love songs. 191 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 4: Okay, well that's fine. 192 00:10:39,279 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 3: But let's not pretend like there's no Sammy Hagar fans. 193 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:45,399 This album went to number one, their first album to 194 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:46,120 hit number one. 195 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,919 Speaker 2: Right, so, what was the name of the first album 196 00:10:48,919 --> 00:10:49,559 that they released? 197 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 3: The first album they released is fifty one to fifty 198 00:10:51,519 --> 00:10:54,480 once again after the code name for the Criminally Insane 199 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:58,720 album went platinum in one week. Wow, the fastest selling, 200 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:00,840 million selling album. 201 00:11:00,519 --> 00:11:02,399 Speaker 4: Of all time for Warner Brothers. 202 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 3: Right, and you get songs like good Enough, which is 203 00:11:05,519 --> 00:11:08,600 a good song you may recognize from the movie Spaceballs. 204 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 2: I'll Have the Cleavage Special. 205 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,639 Speaker 3: And as one music critics said about this album, Eddie 206 00:11:14,639 --> 00:11:16,919 can still split the atom with his acts. 207 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 4: I love that quote. 208 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 2: He doesn't quit playing the guitar. 209 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 3: Here's what I can't understand, even the hardest davidly Roth fan, 210 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:24,879 I don't understand how you can listen to the song 211 00:11:25,039 --> 00:11:47,840 Dreams or Love Walks In or why can't this be 212 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,120 love and say I love David. 213 00:11:50,159 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 4: Those are great songs, and they are great songs. 214 00:11:52,519 --> 00:11:54,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, they are great songs. Love walks In reach number 215 00:11:54,919 --> 00:12:09,360 twenty two, Dreams reached number twenty two Best of both Worlds. 216 00:12:09,039 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 3: That's solid too, That's a great song. 217 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 2: It is a great great song. And then, as you said, 218 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,600 why can't this be love? All of those songs are 219 00:12:22,639 --> 00:12:25,000 great songs that are just different. 220 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,039 Speaker 3: They're different so at this time, and I'm the first 221 00:12:31,039 --> 00:12:34,240 to admit that I'm a very nostalgic person, and so 222 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:38,320 nostalgia makes it difficult for me to discern whether it's 223 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,919 really great or I'm just nostalgic about it. This song 224 00:12:40,919 --> 00:12:41,919 came out nineteen eighty six. 225 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 4: I'm thirteen years old. 226 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:47,639 Speaker 3: That's when my musical tastes are forged, you know, And 227 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:50,559 most people would agree with that, right, So love walks 228 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:55,039 in when I hear that song. That song reminds me 229 00:12:55,159 --> 00:13:01,799 of the mysteries of the broad class. And who am 230 00:13:01,799 --> 00:13:06,919 I going to ask to the dance? And this girl 231 00:13:07,799 --> 00:13:08,440 does she like. 232 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: Me or not? 233 00:13:11,279 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 3: Sends us. 234 00:13:14,159 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 7: Feels a sames. 235 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 3: So it has deeper meaning than just cool keyboards, right. 236 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 2: Sure, I see how it's defining the stage you're in. 237 00:13:27,759 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 3: Actually, the part in the song that gives me the 238 00:13:29,879 --> 00:13:32,600 most is the guitar solo, and it actually like the 239 00:13:32,919 --> 00:13:34,440 guitar actually sings. 240 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 2: It blows me away. 241 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 3: Every time I listen to it. It's an awesome I 242 00:14:00,159 --> 00:14:01,000 love it. It's beautiful. 243 00:14:01,159 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 2: You can't I mean, say what you will about van 244 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,559 Hagar versus van Halen, there's just no denying that anything 245 00:14:07,639 --> 00:14:12,120 that Eddie's doing is beautiful. Eighty six I was ten, 246 00:14:12,159 --> 00:14:16,240 turn eleven. I wasn't touching any bras, not. 247 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 5: Joey, Hey, how you doing it? 248 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,919 Speaker 3: Do you know that the fifty one fifty has no 249 00:14:25,159 --> 00:14:26,240 music videos at all? 250 00:14:26,279 --> 00:14:26,799 Speaker 2: Wow? 251 00:14:26,919 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 3: Zero music videos. Now you can say, well, Dreams had one, 252 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,399 but all it is is videos of the Blue Angels, 253 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,240 which is cool, right, but there's none other the band 254 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,480 right now. They did pluck a best of both worlds 255 00:14:39,519 --> 00:14:42,759 that got some rotations out of their live show, but 256 00:14:43,039 --> 00:14:46,120 there were no produced, no paid for, no music videos 257 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:48,399 for MTV. Right, and for it to do that well 258 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:51,799 without music video during this time, it's seems crazy. Fifty 259 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:56,120 one to fifty is my personal favorite van Halen out right. 260 00:14:56,159 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 2: It is one of three great. 261 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:00,879 Speaker 4: Ones, all right. 262 00:15:01,519 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 3: So that came out in eighty six, they tour in 263 00:15:03,519 --> 00:15:06,279 eighty seven, They go back to the studio in eighty 264 00:15:06,279 --> 00:15:18,720 eight and they come up with OU eight one two. 265 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:21,799 Before it was named OU eight one two, the working 266 00:15:21,879 --> 00:15:24,600 title was called Bone. Not really sure why they did that, 267 00:15:24,639 --> 00:15:27,639 but Alex van Halen is one like no, that's that title. 268 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 4: Sucks rightly, and I agree with him. 269 00:15:30,799 --> 00:15:33,559 Speaker 3: So o ya one two. Sammy actually the one who 270 00:15:33,559 --> 00:15:35,720 came up with this album. Now, there's a lot of 271 00:15:35,799 --> 00:15:38,240 sort of urban legends about how they came up with 272 00:15:38,279 --> 00:15:41,519 this name. He says that he picked O eight one 273 00:15:41,559 --> 00:15:45,320 two after seeing it on a delivery truck, but rumors 274 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,559 persist to this day that it is a direct reference 275 00:15:48,639 --> 00:15:50,679 to David Lee Roth's album. 276 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:55,399 Speaker 2: Idiot Final Right. Dave has a rather famous interview where 277 00:15:55,399 --> 00:15:58,840 he's ranting against them and says that as the threat, 278 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:00,320 I stay quiet. 279 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,559 Speaker 9: For six months, seven months, and I'm just reading diatribe 280 00:16:03,559 --> 00:16:06,759 after Harang, after this, after that, you know again and 281 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,720 again and again, and I still believe there's no one. 282 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,399 It's not necessary to make a comparison. I don't think 283 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,279 you have to make a choice. But being Henglin demands it. 284 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:17,600 You have to either love us and hate him or 285 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:19,000 vice versa. 286 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 8: They demand it. 287 00:16:19,879 --> 00:16:23,879 Speaker 9: They demanded, Well, I'll rise to the challenge. If we 288 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,960 have to have a comparison, then fine. I eat you 289 00:16:27,039 --> 00:16:29,600 for breakfast, pal, I eat you and. 290 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 2: Smile, eat him and smile. 291 00:16:32,679 --> 00:16:34,639 Speaker 4: Had had Yankee Rose. 292 00:16:34,679 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 2: Yankee Rose, which is a great one. 293 00:16:36,519 --> 00:16:37,519 Speaker 4: And going crazy. 294 00:16:37,879 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, Dave the Yankee Rose video. It cracks me up 295 00:16:42,759 --> 00:16:43,799 when he comes in and. 296 00:16:43,919 --> 00:16:47,159 Speaker 6: Give me a bottle of anything and a clays Donut. 297 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,399 Speaker 3: So the singles that you have off E eight one two. 298 00:16:55,039 --> 00:17:25,240 The first one is Black and Blue? 299 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:28,599 Speaker 2: Right, Which do you like that one a lot? 300 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:33,880 Speaker 3: Right? This is my favorite Sammy song, favorite the way 301 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,039 the guitars kind of slink in and it's got that. 302 00:17:38,079 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm gonna put you on the spot here 303 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:42,039 and we can keep going on black and Blue. But 304 00:17:42,519 --> 00:17:47,480 you said my favorite Sammy song. So is your favorite 305 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,599 van Halen song from the Wroth years and from the 306 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:55,559 Hagar years? A Hagar song or a Roth song? 307 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 3: Why don't I'll tell you what at the end, I'll 308 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:01,920 tell you. Okay, I'll give you a list of my 309 00:18:02,599 --> 00:18:04,799 top Dave songs and my top Sammy songs. 310 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,599 Speaker 2: And wool and pick number one overall, number one overall. Okay, 311 00:18:07,759 --> 00:18:08,759 all right, all right. 312 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 3: Very good, okay, at the edge of my seat, now good, 313 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:14,279 we'll stay tuned, all right. 314 00:18:14,319 --> 00:18:16,839 Speaker 2: So Black and Blue reached number thirty four on the 315 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,039 Hot one hundred list. Yep, tell me what you love 316 00:18:19,079 --> 00:18:19,440 about it? 317 00:18:19,599 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 3: So, once again, like drop Dead Legs, Black and Blue 318 00:18:22,759 --> 00:18:23,720 is a stripper. 319 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 2: Song, what You Love About. 320 00:18:26,279 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 3: When I was fifteen, I thought this was the greatest 321 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:31,559 thing ever. Just the way the guitar comes in, and 322 00:18:31,599 --> 00:18:34,759 it's clearly this song is about I know we're trying 323 00:18:34,759 --> 00:18:36,960 to keep this family friendly, but this song is about. 324 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 2: Sex absolutely so as many of their songs are. 325 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:42,079 Speaker 3: I mean, it's very subtle when they say let's do 326 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:46,960 it till we're black and Blue, right. This is a 327 00:18:47,319 --> 00:18:49,920 top down, turn it up, cruise in the streets type 328 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:59,279 of song. But the song that comes out after Black 329 00:18:59,279 --> 00:19:01,480 and Blue, they haven't video with it, and it's called 330 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:15,440 When It's Left. When It's Love is the first video 331 00:19:15,559 --> 00:19:18,599 that actually comes out where you see the SAMI version 332 00:19:18,599 --> 00:19:22,039 of the band together and in a produced video, and 333 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,240 it blasted its way to the top of the charts. 334 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,519 And this is one of those songs like Black and Blue, 335 00:19:26,759 --> 00:19:29,160 like Love Walks In, like Jump for that matter, I 336 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,160 don't need to listen to the song the first three 337 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:34,119 seconds that it plays, I know I like it already. 338 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:36,559 I mean it just it's easy on the ears. It's 339 00:19:36,599 --> 00:19:39,759 a very very radio friendly song. 340 00:20:00,519 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 2: That song is obviously what we I mean, what we 341 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:09,039 would call a power ballad. Yeah, in the vein of 342 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:14,319 Free Bird by Leonard Skinnyard Steroid of Heaven, where you've 343 00:20:14,319 --> 00:20:17,759 got this, you know, we got rock. But it's that slow, 344 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,079 smooth introduction and it picks up. They all pick up 345 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:24,440 dream on, it picks up. I think for our age, 346 00:20:24,519 --> 00:20:28,200 probably the epitome of the rock ballad is when every 347 00:20:28,279 --> 00:20:29,200 Rose has its thorn. 348 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 3: We haught to argue this because I'd say Home, Sweet 349 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:32,200 Home by Motley Crue. 350 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 2: But also is this Love by White Snake, which is 351 00:20:35,759 --> 00:20:37,960 every time I hear the title list, I'm like, oh, yeah, 352 00:20:38,279 --> 00:20:40,960 is this love Love? Wait a minute, which song is this? 353 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,400 I can't remember what something this is? Okay, both came 354 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:44,200 up at the same time. 355 00:20:44,279 --> 00:20:45,400 Speaker 4: Actually, yeah, what. 356 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:54,400 Speaker 3: Then you end up with finished which you started, which 357 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,960 is kind of a fun, little acoustic type of thing 358 00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:59,839 and just kind of twangy kind of. 359 00:21:19,799 --> 00:21:23,759 Speaker 2: And so the story on this one is that Eddie 360 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,720 was up late, had this song that he was playing. 361 00:21:27,799 --> 00:21:31,680 Do you know this? Okay? And so he you know, 362 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,119 he and Sammy your neighbors at this point, so he 363 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,119 just goes and wakes him up, knocks on the door. 364 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:37,279 Speaker 3: He goes, bangs on the door. 365 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, He's like, okay, I got this and I just 366 00:21:40,759 --> 00:21:42,880 need you to help me, and they sit out on 367 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,839 the porch. I just how awesome would that be for 368 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,440 Eddie devant Halen to show up and knock on your 369 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,839 door and you guys just go out and two o'clock 370 00:21:50,839 --> 00:21:53,519 in the morning and play until you figured this song out. 371 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:54,799 Speaker 3: I think that's great. 372 00:21:54,839 --> 00:21:58,319 Speaker 2: And did you hear the yeah? So he leaves. Eddie leaves, 373 00:21:58,519 --> 00:22:00,240 and his version. 374 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 3: Of the story is he and his wife were in bed, 375 00:22:03,279 --> 00:22:04,519 it's late, He's. 376 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:05,559 Speaker 2: Trying to put the moves on her. 377 00:22:05,759 --> 00:22:09,319 Speaker 3: They're getting busy and Eddie van Halen banging on his door. 378 00:22:10,279 --> 00:22:14,880 So so he's, you know, throw on a roadbro quick, 379 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,440 and dude, what do you watch? I got an idea 380 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,200 for a song. We got to finish it, you know, 381 00:22:20,319 --> 00:22:23,759 So come out here with me. So he reluctantly goes outside, 382 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,720 but the song then becomes name Finish what you started? 383 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,279 Speaker 2: Right's not. 384 00:22:34,039 --> 00:22:34,319 Speaker 5: Quick? 385 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:39,039 Speaker 2: Okay? So O eight one two is a number one hit. 386 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 3: Hit number one, May twenty fourth, nineteen eighty eight. People 387 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,960 don't know this, you know, Samy's kind of trashed and 388 00:22:49,319 --> 00:22:51,920 kind of the uncool option of van Halen or whatever. 389 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,640 But fifty one fifty OU eight one two four on lawful, 390 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,559 cardinal knowledge and balance all four Number one. 391 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:02,319 Speaker 2: Palm absolutely can't argue against that. 392 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 3: I don't know what you're judging. That's a pretty good 393 00:23:04,279 --> 00:23:05,480 way of telling what's popular. 394 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,319 Speaker 2: Well maybe, I mean no, yeah, you're right, it's it's 395 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,680 a good way of telling what's popular. But what's popular 396 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,279 doesn't necessarily mean what's better. 397 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 3: That's true because Bad is better than Thriller. We saw 398 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:16,400 that last week. 399 00:23:18,319 --> 00:23:20,319 Speaker 2: Well, I mean that kind of goes against your argument 400 00:23:20,319 --> 00:23:24,039 because Bad had more number one hits, and I still think, 401 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,279 I still think that Thriller is better. But the idea 402 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,720 of bad and good is subjective. 403 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 5: It is. 404 00:23:34,319 --> 00:23:37,519 Speaker 3: So after finish what you started, you have Kabba Wabbo, 405 00:23:37,839 --> 00:23:41,720 which is a great song which pops up again later 406 00:23:41,759 --> 00:23:44,039 on when Sammy opens a club down in Cova Saint. 407 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,039 Speaker 4: Lucas and he calls it Cabo Wobbo love. That song. 408 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 2: Becomes a tequila. 409 00:23:51,519 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 4: It does come to tequila. 410 00:23:52,599 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 2: Actually, when we did this, I looked at that tequila. 411 00:23:54,759 --> 00:23:59,640 It is a high priced tequila comparatively speaking. It's it's 412 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,559 really so it must be pretty good. I don't know 413 00:24:01,559 --> 00:24:03,440 that I've ever had it. Okay, I know that you 414 00:24:03,519 --> 00:24:03,799 have it. 415 00:24:04,079 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 3: I Have Not, and then you have Feels So Good, 416 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,440 which had a video with it. Really cool song again, 417 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,960 it's the softer van Halen but still really good sure, 418 00:24:22,599 --> 00:24:24,480 and then they close out with Mine All Mine, kind 419 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:28,440 of a throwaway track. But so that ends nineteen eighty eight, 420 00:24:30,599 --> 00:24:33,359 that stretches into nineteen eighty nine, and then in June 421 00:24:33,599 --> 00:24:37,160 of nineteen ninety one, they come out with the The 422 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:38,240 F Word album. 423 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 2: Right, So that's what you know, That's what Sammy wanted 424 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,319 to call the album was f right. 425 00:24:43,599 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 3: I mean the word, not the letter, that's right, the 426 00:24:46,759 --> 00:24:48,119 F dash dash dash. 427 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 2: Word, right. Only I didn't say fudge. 428 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 3: I said the word, the big. 429 00:24:59,799 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 2: One, the queen mother of dirty words, the F dash 430 00:25:04,079 --> 00:25:05,160 dash dash word. 431 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 8: Ah, that's what I. 432 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:15,319 Speaker 2: Thought you, Yes, but I didn't say fudge, that's right. 433 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:20,599 So he wanted to actually call the album the F Word. 434 00:25:20,759 --> 00:25:24,079 Speaker 3: So Sammy's working out with Ray Boomo Mancini. Sammy is 435 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:25,960 a bit of a boxer. His dad was a actually 436 00:25:26,039 --> 00:25:30,240 well known professional boxer, Bobby Hagar. All right, yep, So 437 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,200 Sammy's boxing with Ray Boomo Mancini, right, who you will remember, 438 00:25:34,759 --> 00:25:37,240 And Ray says, what are you working on me? So 439 00:25:37,319 --> 00:25:38,880 I got this new album, and he said, great, what 440 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,200 are you going to call it? He said, well, I 441 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,720 want I want to call it f right, but they're 442 00:25:43,759 --> 00:25:46,319 not going for that. But they won't let me because 443 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:47,599 we can't sell that at Walmart. 444 00:25:47,799 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 9: Right. 445 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,519 Speaker 2: They had proposed naming it that, but then like putting 446 00:25:51,519 --> 00:25:53,200 it in a round bat and that's right. 447 00:25:53,319 --> 00:25:58,079 Speaker 3: They talked about that, and so Ray says, oh, for 448 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,839 unlawful carnal knowledge. And he says, what are you talking about? 449 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,960 And he's like, well, that's what it. Back in the 450 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,400 old days, if a guy was caught with your wife 451 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,400 and they wanted to make an example of him, they'd 452 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,480 put him out in the town square and they'd lock 453 00:26:12,559 --> 00:26:14,559 him up with his hands in his feet and his 454 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,400 head sort of threw that wooden thing you've seen it. 455 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,359 They'd write over the top, they'd write your charge, and 456 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,960 instead of writing foreign lawful cardinal knowledge, they would just 457 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:27,480 write F dot U dot C dot K, and that's 458 00:26:27,519 --> 00:26:30,759 what your charge was. And so Samy's like, man, that's great, 459 00:26:30,759 --> 00:26:32,119 that's great. And he took it back to the band 460 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,079 and they loved it and didn't have to keep it 461 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,359 from being sold in Walmart. So off that album you 462 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,119 have could write out of the Gate you have pound Cake. 463 00:27:07,839 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 2: That one is like old school fan Halen. Pound Cake 464 00:27:11,039 --> 00:27:13,680 is the hard rock that that I wanted them to 465 00:27:13,759 --> 00:27:20,000 be all along. It is strong that first that Yeah, 466 00:27:20,039 --> 00:27:21,599 he's playing. He's playing the guitar with a. 467 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:25,400 Speaker 3: Drill, with a power drill, and it's killer again Eddie 468 00:27:25,519 --> 00:27:31,319 making up sounds for us, uh and so yeah, yeah. 469 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:31,519 Speaker 8: All right. 470 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,279 Speaker 2: In that particular song, Sammy is really using his hard 471 00:27:53,319 --> 00:27:56,279 rock voice. He's not using his love song voice. He 472 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,279 is using that wretchy, rocky gravelly. 473 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 4: No doubt love it. 474 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 3: When they recorded that song at the very end, he's 475 00:28:05,039 --> 00:28:15,920 really bringing it, he says. And he said the producer 476 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,839 showed his arm and it had his the hair was 477 00:28:18,839 --> 00:28:19,759 standing up on his arm. 478 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 4: Oh nice, And they were like, that's it. That's our take. Yep, 479 00:28:22,799 --> 00:28:23,319 that's done. 480 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,880 Speaker 2: And so what ultimately they did when they would perform 481 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,440 it in concert, Eddie took a cordless drill and then 482 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,559 painted it like the Frankenstrat guitar and had the red 483 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,920 with the white and black stripes on it. 484 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,359 Speaker 3: And then the next song comes out is Top of 485 00:28:39,359 --> 00:28:44,519 the World. Okay, Top of the World did very well, 486 00:28:45,079 --> 00:28:47,640 more definitely more pop. This is a tidbit on Top 487 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,599 of the World that I thought was interesting. When they 488 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,599 play their live shows, the beginning guitar of Top of 489 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:57,000 the World is actually the outro of Jump, So when 490 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,839 they play it live, they usually roll Jump right into Top. 491 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:28,839 Speaker 8: Of the World. 492 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:35,359 Speaker 3: And when they play it live on this tour, on 493 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,599 this particular tour, they would play Jump and it would 494 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:39,640 go right into. 495 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 2: Top of the World right well. That you know, so 496 00:29:43,079 --> 00:29:46,720 many of the songs throughout the time with both David 497 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,440 and with Sammy would be songs that they had been 498 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,119 working on for years and just hadn't found the right 499 00:29:53,319 --> 00:29:56,039 mix for. So I can totally see how there was 500 00:29:56,079 --> 00:29:59,160 an intention with a song that came out seven years 501 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:03,920 earlier and probably was developed a decade before that. Finally 502 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,599 they found the right spot, the right sound, the right music, 503 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:14,759 which also is true for Right Now. The story is 504 00:30:14,799 --> 00:30:19,000 that Eddie had been playing it for a while and Sammy. 505 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:20,920 I think they're not even in the same room, like 506 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,119 there were different rooms, but Sammy's working on one song, 507 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,640 working on the lyrics and working on the tune, and 508 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,720 Eddie's playing in another room and he overhears Eddie and 509 00:30:31,759 --> 00:30:34,680 he comes in He's like, play that again. And he's like, 510 00:30:34,759 --> 00:30:36,839 I think we're working on the same song. Like the 511 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,559 chord progression that he had done was so similar and 512 00:30:39,599 --> 00:30:41,839 the melody that he had come up with, and this 513 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,400 is you know right now is one that Sammy holds 514 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,920 in the highest regard as far as lyrics are concerned. 515 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,599 He had been taking a break and was on the 516 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:56,359 beach and was kind of obsessing about various things and 517 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,480 then just kind of realized, hey, you know why I'm 518 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,920 obsessing about all these things when here on the beach, 519 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,720 I should be right here, right now. And that was 520 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,759 his inspiration for all of the lyrics to the song. 521 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,920 And so, you know, the video for this song was 522 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,440 it may have been their biggest hit as far as 523 00:31:33,519 --> 00:31:37,160 video awards go. They won Video of the Year for it. 524 00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:40,039 And if you don't remember the video, it's one where 525 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,880 the song is playing, but as you as a song playing, 526 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,680 there's occasional images of the band intermixed with other kind 527 00:31:47,759 --> 00:31:53,720 of intense scenes and there's texts that appears and says, 528 00:31:53,799 --> 00:31:56,599 right now this is happening, or right now, this is happening. 529 00:31:57,119 --> 00:31:59,599 Right now, Eddie's hands are really busy, and you know, 530 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:05,279 and Sammy was adamantly opposed to this idea. He was like, this, 531 00:32:05,599 --> 00:32:07,799 people are gonna be reading and this honestly, this occurred 532 00:32:07,799 --> 00:32:10,480 with me, like I was frustrated because I'm like, I'm 533 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,240 trying to read the words and I'm alost trying to 534 00:32:12,279 --> 00:32:13,880 listen to the music, and I feel like I'm missing 535 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,039 out on both things. But it was it was a 536 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:22,480 huge success for them, and Sammy's adamantly opposed against, against, against, 537 00:32:22,599 --> 00:32:25,319 and they're basically forcing him into it. He goes and 538 00:32:25,359 --> 00:32:28,039 disappears for like a week, you know, just in frustration, 539 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,680 a little bit of a tantrum there, and then comes back. 540 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,319 And when he comes back they're shooting the video. He's 541 00:32:33,319 --> 00:32:36,160 actually sick. He's like running a fever and got pneumonia. 542 00:32:36,279 --> 00:32:39,440 Is still angry about it, and so there's a scene 543 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,319 towards the end where like you see him stop singing, 544 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,359 even though the you know, obviously the song continues, but 545 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,200 he just like crosses his arms and quits. He said 546 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,640 that was really like he was angry and just like, 547 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,039 screw it, I'm not singing anymore. I don't like this 548 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,000 the way that's going. I'm just gonna quit singing. And 549 00:32:55,039 --> 00:32:56,680 it ended up in the video and it's kind of 550 00:32:56,759 --> 00:32:57,519 actually cool. 551 00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 4: I need a look at that. 552 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,599 Speaker 3: I haven't seen it well, one of them that stands 553 00:33:00,599 --> 00:33:01,920 out of my I mean, this is one of my 554 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,839 favorite videos too, but I think there's one line and 555 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,160 it's like, right now your memory is getting longer while 556 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,160 your life is getting shorter yiche and I remember. 557 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,119 Speaker 4: Thinking that's pretty pointant, you know. 558 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, we're done talking about for an Elepha colon. 559 00:33:21,839 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. 560 00:33:22,799 --> 00:33:25,599 Speaker 3: Not one of my favorite Sammy albums. 561 00:33:25,119 --> 00:33:28,599 Speaker 2: Right, two great songs, but not much else to speak of, 562 00:33:29,079 --> 00:33:30,559 right as far as I'm concerned. 563 00:33:30,359 --> 00:33:33,799 Speaker 3: Right, all right, So that was in ninety one. They 564 00:33:33,799 --> 00:33:37,680 tour in ninety two into ninety three, and then in 565 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,519 January of ninety five, the album Balance comes out, right, 566 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,160 it reaches number one. People are excited to have it, 567 00:33:44,279 --> 00:33:46,920 but this was released. I mean, they're starting to. 568 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 2: Fight well, and you know, it's kind of funny. I 569 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:53,559 think in both scenarios, just before the end, Dave doesn't 570 00:33:53,599 --> 00:33:56,079 appreciate that the end is about to come, and Sammy 571 00:33:56,559 --> 00:33:59,240 had I think he was literally caught off guard. You 572 00:33:59,279 --> 00:34:01,480 can expect some troubles. It's sad to listen to some 573 00:34:01,519 --> 00:34:03,680 of the interviews. He goes where he's like, I mean, 574 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,599 I don't foresee us ever breaking up. We just get 575 00:34:05,599 --> 00:34:07,960 along so well, it's just not even. And then you know, 576 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,360 of course things fall apart. Everybody's going to pick sides 577 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,480 on the steal. But I don't think there's any question 578 00:34:12,599 --> 00:34:16,159 that Eddie was going through some serious issues at this point, 579 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,119 in and out of rehab, lost a ton of weight, 580 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:21,920 you know, And what are you going to do if 581 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,679 you're Alex. You can't do something. You can't abandon your brother. 582 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,440 So he's going to stand by him at this point 583 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,400 and back his play. But I think it was very 584 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,400 obvious that it was not the same Eddie as when 585 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:33,320 they had gotten together. 586 00:34:33,519 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 3: Eddie was newly subberb starting October second of ninety four. 587 00:34:37,119 --> 00:34:40,199 But still that's that's a fight, that's an everyday struggle. 588 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,800 Speaker 2: So on balance, the only song worth mentioning to me 589 00:34:44,320 --> 00:35:00,000 is Can't Stop Loving Him? 590 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,159 Speaker 3: Can't Stop Loving You? Really to Me is their only 591 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:09,079 radio friendly hit. And then in nineteen ninety seven, they 592 00:35:09,079 --> 00:35:10,840 break up. It's done, It's over. 593 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:15,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, Samy Eras Samiras finished, he is he and his 594 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:19,280 wife are expecting a child. He's they've got a natural 595 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,880 delivery set Eddie calls him and says, you need to 596 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,159 come back here and do some recording. He's like, hey, 597 00:35:25,199 --> 00:35:26,960 we're you know, we're about to have a baby. Let 598 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,639 me just take care of this and then I'll be back. 599 00:35:29,159 --> 00:35:31,400 And he's like, you know what, you started off as 600 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,840 a solo artist. Maybe you should just be a solo artist. 601 00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:34,840 And that's the end. 602 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,199 Speaker 3: They're working on the song called Humans being in the 603 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:42,599 Twister soundron. Then they're secretly talking to Dave right about 604 00:35:42,599 --> 00:35:46,519 recording these new songs yep. And then when Sammy finds 605 00:35:46,519 --> 00:35:51,760 out about that, he's really miffed. And so then of 606 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,119 course later on we see them at the Video Music 607 00:35:54,159 --> 00:35:55,119 Awards at MTV. 608 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,639 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. I can still remember seeing that and 609 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,800 just being like, oh, what if it could happen. Oh, 610 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,159 I'm so excited. It was exciting. And then I also thought, oh, 611 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,719 they're all so high. They're so high. 612 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 7: Right now, I think we're here to present Best Neil 613 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:14,400 Video of. 614 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,519 Speaker 2: The Year award. Okay, right, Dave's word, Oh. 615 00:36:17,559 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 7: Dave, no, no, no you Instead of the best award thing, 616 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,360 it's we have to make an announcement, just we have to. 617 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:26,559 Speaker 4: Address this subject here. 618 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:31,519 Speaker 7: This is the first time that we've actually stood on 619 00:36:31,639 --> 00:36:32,880 stage together. 620 00:36:32,559 --> 00:36:34,199 Speaker 1: And over a decade. 621 00:36:34,039 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 3: Into and that lasts about ten minutes before Eddie gets 622 00:36:39,199 --> 00:36:42,920 really really mad at him. That happened in ninety six, 623 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,320 and then in March ninety eight we get. 624 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,320 Speaker 2: Van Allen three yep, crickets. 625 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:53,440 Speaker 3: That's all I have to say about that. 626 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,599 Speaker 2: That's exactly what I was thinking. That's all I have 627 00:36:56,639 --> 00:37:05,760 to say about that. Right now, this is the moment 628 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:06,480 I've been waiting for. 629 00:37:06,639 --> 00:37:07,639 Speaker 3: Let's talk about it. 630 00:37:07,599 --> 00:37:07,960 Speaker 1: All right. 631 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,159 Speaker 3: So you're going to give me a list of your 632 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,360 top Dave songs, and I'm going to give you a 633 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,039 list of my top same sungs, and we'll see where 634 00:37:15,039 --> 00:37:15,400 we're at. 635 00:37:16,639 --> 00:37:21,199 Speaker 2: Can you do that? How long can my list be? Okay, 636 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,199 it's it's really really hard. It's really hard. 637 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:30,679 Speaker 3: I don't I really don't think it's that hard. 638 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:37,400 Speaker 2: Well that's yeah, okay, goo good, Okay. So Panama Hot 639 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:38,920 for Teacher? Is this an order? 640 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:39,800 Speaker 3: No? 641 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,239 Speaker 2: I can't do that. That's too hard, all right, Okay, 642 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,679 So I'm just gonna go so Panama, which maybe I 643 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,119 really do love Panama. Maybe that's my number one. I'm 644 00:37:48,119 --> 00:37:51,519 not sure. Panama Hot for Teacher, Running with the Devil, 645 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,480 I feel like I should be able to combine eruption 646 00:37:54,679 --> 00:37:56,840 with you Really Got Me because they always come together. 647 00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,639 So I'm going to do that. So ain't talking about 648 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:04,679 love of and then like an eight way tie between 649 00:38:06,199 --> 00:38:10,239 for other songs, I'll Wait is great, drop Dead Legs 650 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,400 is great, and ice Cream Man is fun. I think 651 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,239 that's probably right there at the at the ten mark. 652 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,679 If it's not, I'll throw on beautiful girls and fill 653 00:38:18,679 --> 00:38:19,239 your left to night. 654 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:25,199 Speaker 3: All right, don't that list sucks? Okay, here you give me, 655 00:38:25,199 --> 00:38:27,280 I'll give you my my ten days go right, And 656 00:38:27,679 --> 00:38:30,079 I'm a saving guy. But I'm a dave guy too, 657 00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:31,760 But here we go in order? 658 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:32,199 Speaker 2: Yeah. 659 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,599 Speaker 3: Number ten Pretty Woman, cool cover catchy shows up in 660 00:38:36,639 --> 00:38:40,920 the movie Weird Science, some versions, some versions, that's right. 661 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,719 Number nine, their first single, you Really Got Me? Number eight, 662 00:38:45,519 --> 00:38:50,519 drop Dead Legs, great stripper song, Number seven, Dance the 663 00:38:50,599 --> 00:38:55,119 Night Away, cool, radio friendly, love It, Number six, Running 664 00:38:55,119 --> 00:38:56,440 with the Devil, Number five. 665 00:38:56,519 --> 00:38:58,079 Speaker 4: Hot for Teacher. Can't argue with that. 666 00:38:58,480 --> 00:38:58,800 Speaker 2: No. 667 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:03,159 Speaker 3: Number four Panama Okay, two of nineteen eighty four, right 668 00:39:03,199 --> 00:39:06,840 there in a row. Number three, ain't talking about love? 669 00:39:07,039 --> 00:39:10,880 Number two unchained. Oh wow, it's an unbelievable song. 670 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,119 Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, I'm actually surprised that you put that that 671 00:39:14,199 --> 00:39:15,159 you put that at number two. 672 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,599 Speaker 3: It's so good that guitar, Oh my gosh, it's so good. 673 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,119 And then finally, there is no there is no other 674 00:39:20,199 --> 00:39:23,280 song that can be number one's Jump. Now it's absolutely jumped. 675 00:39:23,639 --> 00:39:26,760 Speaker 2: I love Jump when it came out, but it's no 676 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,960 longer in my top ten anymore. I'm not going to 677 00:39:30,039 --> 00:39:32,400 turn it off if it comes on. I think it's 678 00:39:32,639 --> 00:39:34,920 worthy of the stuff that they did with it with 679 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,840 Ready Player one, but it is just not my favorite. 680 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:40,599 Speaker 4: All right, are you ready for my samue list? 681 00:39:40,679 --> 00:39:41,719 Speaker 8: Yep, all right, here we go. 682 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,360 Speaker 3: Number ten, Best of Both Worlds? Number nine, Kaba Wabo, 683 00:39:45,639 --> 00:39:49,639 number eight, Can't Stop Loving You? Number seven, Why can't 684 00:39:49,639 --> 00:39:52,800 this be love? Only time will tell if we stand 685 00:39:52,840 --> 00:40:00,519 the test of time? Number six, The power Drill on Cake. 686 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,719 Number five, Love Walks In Number four when it's love, 687 00:40:05,079 --> 00:40:11,239 number three right now, number two, Dreams, and number one 688 00:40:11,679 --> 00:40:12,519 it's black and blue. 689 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,360 Speaker 2: Okay, this will be easier for me because I don't 690 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,079 even have ten that I would put on a list 691 00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:19,159 for Van Hagar. All right, well, let's hear it, okay, 692 00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,559 So best of both worlds, in no particular order, best 693 00:40:22,599 --> 00:40:27,760 of both worlds pound cake, when it's love dreams, why 694 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,360 can't this be love? And right now? And then I 695 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,400 probably would throw and finish what you started. I like 696 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,239 that one. I like finish what you started. 697 00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,599 Speaker 3: And if I had to break the tie between Sammy 698 00:40:36,639 --> 00:40:37,719 and Dave on the number. 699 00:40:37,519 --> 00:40:38,840 Speaker 8: One is Jump. 700 00:40:39,159 --> 00:40:40,000 Speaker 2: You're still picking jump. 701 00:40:40,079 --> 00:40:40,519 Speaker 8: It's jump. 702 00:40:47,039 --> 00:40:49,480 Speaker 3: It absolutely is Jump. I can listen to that song 703 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:51,519 a million times and still love it. 704 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,880 Speaker 2: Okay, guys, it's not time. It's time for final judgment. 705 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,719 It's time for to take the gloves off and saying 706 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:06,199 you know we're no more mister nice guy. Let's let's 707 00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,199 really start talking about this. You know, Jason, you've taken 708 00:41:09,199 --> 00:41:13,440 the position that van Hagar is better than van Halen. Now, 709 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,440 there are obviously a lot of people who enjoyed Van 710 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,559 Hagar because they had tons of success, they sold all 711 00:41:19,639 --> 00:41:23,719 kinds of albums. But I've never heard someone say better 712 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,719 than van Halen. So tell me, you know, what's your 713 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:27,320 what are your thoughts? 714 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:31,039 Speaker 3: Okay, well, so here's my thing. All right, I like 715 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:36,039 van Halen with Dave. Okay, I'm a fan, but once again, 716 00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:38,519 I jumped in nineteen eighty four, so I wasn't married 717 00:41:38,519 --> 00:41:41,840 to Dave, right, so I jumped in at the new 718 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:46,159 sound of Van Halen. Okay, so I wasn't you know, 719 00:41:46,679 --> 00:41:49,679 I wasn't blown away by the guitars and stuff that 720 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,519 people when they jumped in earlier were, And so it 721 00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:56,039 just has to do with my age. But nineteen eighty 722 00:41:56,079 --> 00:41:58,559 four was where I jumped in. I love the synthesizer, 723 00:41:58,599 --> 00:42:01,840 I love the guitar mix, the melody, and just those 724 00:42:02,199 --> 00:42:06,119 great great songs from my ten eighty four and so 725 00:42:06,199 --> 00:42:09,199 that transitioned me right into fifty one fifty, which is 726 00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,480 my favorite one of all time. But I think overall, 727 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,159 I think there's a general sentiment out there that Sammy 728 00:42:16,199 --> 00:42:21,920 has a better voice, has more vocal range, has more 729 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:27,159 musical ability. Right now, I'm willing to concede Dave is 730 00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,400 one of the top front men for any band of 731 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,400 all time. I'm gonna talk out of both sides of 732 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,159 my mouth here one sure. Yeah, so Dave maybe the 733 00:42:34,199 --> 00:42:35,400 best front man of all time. 734 00:42:35,519 --> 00:42:37,400 Speaker 2: I mean, we're in a situation again like we were 735 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:41,079 with Bad versus Thriller, where you love Thriller, you just 736 00:42:41,199 --> 00:42:42,039 love Bad Mold. 737 00:42:42,079 --> 00:42:43,119 Speaker 4: That's right, that's right. 738 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:49,159 Speaker 3: Right as far as stage personality, and we already talked 739 00:42:49,159 --> 00:42:50,960 about the splits and the kicks and the jumps in 740 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,400 the backflips. Same he can't do any of that stuff right, 741 00:42:53,639 --> 00:42:57,079 but he adds an element of musicianship that I think 742 00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,119 improves their music overall. 743 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,800 Speaker 2: So I did you know. I didn't write this down, 744 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:03,719 but this is this is the thought that's occurring to 745 00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,760 me right now. Whenever Sammy Hagar came on the scene, 746 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,360 I was like, yes, I even said it earlier in 747 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,519 the episode. This is the perfect choice. He has guitar 748 00:43:12,559 --> 00:43:15,280 abilities that Dave didn't have. He's got a better singing voice. 749 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,400 He's a hard rocker. I mean, you've got you know, 750 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,239 I can't drive fifty five all of his songs with 751 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,159 Montrose and his solo album, his solo career before that. 752 00:43:23,559 --> 00:43:25,920 And I'm super excited. But you know what else, I 753 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:30,920 was really excited for the episode of Star Wars, the 754 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:35,360 Rise of Skywalker. I was giddy, and I'm walking in 755 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,320 and I got my Darth Vader shirt on, and I'm 756 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,199 dressed in black, and I'm geeked out. And I sat 757 00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,280 there and I was just like, Okay, well this is 758 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,360 not okay, this is what I thought it was gonna 759 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,800 be but that's all right. I'm gonna give it full 760 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,079 open mind. And I kept trying to love it, and 761 00:43:51,119 --> 00:43:53,679 I kept trying to love it, and where there was 762 00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,199 maybe a brief honeymoon period in the first five to 763 00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,519 ten minutes of the movie, after a while I was 764 00:43:58,639 --> 00:44:01,159 just going to I can't love this. 765 00:44:01,679 --> 00:44:04,840 Speaker 3: I think you're way off base again, way off base. 766 00:44:05,159 --> 00:44:08,519 Speaker 2: I had the honeymoon period with Van Hagar I did was. 767 00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,639 I liked their live album and they had in their 768 00:44:11,679 --> 00:44:15,800 transitional phase. They still sounded a lot like the original 769 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,679 Van Halen. They still had all of those kicks going 770 00:44:19,519 --> 00:44:23,599 and Sammy was still rocking. But the honeymoon eventually wore 771 00:44:23,679 --> 00:44:27,159 off for me, and I just didn't feel like I 772 00:44:27,199 --> 00:44:29,880 felt like I had a bait and switch where it was, 773 00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,760 here's this awesome thing that you're getting, and now we're 774 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,679 going to overproduce it, We're going to overdo it, and 775 00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,679 it's not the same anymore. It's no longer Van Halen. 776 00:44:41,039 --> 00:44:44,639 With the movie, man, the production value was incredible. I 777 00:44:44,639 --> 00:44:46,760 can't imagine the mouth they spent on it. But it's 778 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,039 not Star Wars. Star Wars is dirty, and Van Halen 779 00:44:50,079 --> 00:44:52,920 should be dirty too. I want the dirt and the grime. 780 00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,880 The van Halen of David Lee Roth Time was dirty 781 00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:01,840 and nasty and gritty and sex Yes. 782 00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:02,079 Speaker 8: It was. 783 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,039 Speaker 2: It was what it was. And the van Halen of 784 00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:12,400 Sammy Hagar Time is gradually more touchy, more feely, more emotional, 785 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:18,119 more lovey dovey, and I'm. 786 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:17,000 Speaker 1: Not showing for it. 787 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,280 Speaker 3: All right, all right, Well let's let's take a step back. Okay, 788 00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:34,760 because this podcast really is a debate about who's better 789 00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:35,880 Dave or Sammy. 790 00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:37,719 Speaker 4: But let me pose this question to you. 791 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:42,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, If I said, do you like the new 792 00:45:42,519 --> 00:45:45,920 version of van Halen, it's like the cutoff between diver 793 00:45:46,039 --> 00:45:50,239 down in nineteen eighty four. Yeah, up right, And I 794 00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:51,559 gave you you can choose one. 795 00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:52,519 Speaker 4: What do you choose? 796 00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,639 Speaker 2: You mean, do I do I take nineteen eighty four, take. 797 00:45:55,559 --> 00:45:59,199 Speaker 3: Nineteen eighty four and include that with the Sami era. 798 00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,519 Speaker 2: Right, We're going to that new van Halen, you know. 799 00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:03,880 And I understand your question, And I know that a 800 00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,840 lot of people draw this line that nineteen eighty four 801 00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:08,840 was a new sound. I think even the members of 802 00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,599 the band are saying that. But I just gotta I 803 00:46:11,639 --> 00:46:15,000 gotta say I disagree with that. Line distinction, and I 804 00:46:15,039 --> 00:46:18,360 took some time thinking about this. There's you know, everybody 805 00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,360 talks about the introduction to the keyboards, but I mean 806 00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:24,000 he was playing keyboards in Women and Children first. I mean, 807 00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:28,000 he was playing keyboards way back. That couldn't be the issue. 808 00:46:28,159 --> 00:46:30,719 They became more prevalent in nineteen eighty four, for sure, 809 00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,679 They shocked a lot of the hardcore listeners, for sure, 810 00:46:34,119 --> 00:46:37,760 But that you listen to the lead guitar sounds that 811 00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,199 are coming out in nineteen eighty four, and it's still 812 00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,719 the same sounds of previous Van Halen you got from 813 00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,880 van Halen one on up through nineteen eighty four, Eddie's 814 00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:51,920 still playing the Frankenstrat guitar, and then the Frankenstrat starts 815 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,440 to go away. In fifty one fifty you get new 816 00:46:55,519 --> 00:46:59,039 guitars coming in, and then in U eight one two 817 00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,320 it even less. You get Eddie starts this deal with 818 00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,000 Ernie Ball on this new guitar, and it doesn't sound 819 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,159 the same. I mean, just even if you even if 820 00:47:08,199 --> 00:47:10,760 you look at what happens right after, if you look 821 00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,679 at why can't this be love? The guitar doesn't sound 822 00:47:14,679 --> 00:47:17,519 the same anymore. It's closer. I mean it gets further 823 00:47:17,559 --> 00:47:20,000 and further away. But I mean, first big song off 824 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,679 of fifty one to fifty and you've got a flanged 825 00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:26,039 guitar that you're like, Okay, Eddie's doing something different here, 826 00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,159 and it never goes back to what it was. 827 00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,360 Speaker 3: You tell me you don't like, why can't this be loved? 828 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,480 Speaker 2: I'm just saying. I'm saying it's not dirty and nasty. 829 00:47:33,559 --> 00:47:37,320 It is. It's pretty, and it is that transition, honeymoon 830 00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,440 period so that I can say, yeah, this is still good, 831 00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:44,000 but it's different, and then the difference lingers and I 832 00:47:44,119 --> 00:47:46,079 lose the thing that I fell in love with it first. 833 00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:49,719 Speaker 3: I think we both agree that at that moment in time, 834 00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:54,519 Sammy was the best option. Oh right, And for me, 835 00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:58,000 I feel like he doesn't get enough credit for stepping 836 00:47:58,039 --> 00:48:00,760 in and he kind of takes the to a next 837 00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,360 level and they earn way more fans with that style 838 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:04,800 of music. 839 00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,119 Speaker 2: Well, again, this comes back to that idea of popular 840 00:48:08,159 --> 00:48:12,599 and better. There's no question that they increase their popularity. 841 00:48:12,639 --> 00:48:16,920 They increase their album sales and four number one albums 842 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:21,719 absolutely more popular. They are reaching a broader audience, But 843 00:48:22,559 --> 00:48:24,440 popular doesn't mean better. 844 00:48:24,199 --> 00:48:26,159 Speaker 3: I'm going to say something to blasphem us for a second. 845 00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:27,199 Speaker 4: Okay, you ready for this? 846 00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:27,639 Speaker 8: All right? 847 00:48:28,039 --> 00:48:31,039 Speaker 3: So bring it on, let's go here. It is all 848 00:48:31,079 --> 00:48:35,880 right from the Dave era. In my opinion, Van Haalen 849 00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:42,800 won Awesome, nineteen eighty four, Awesome. The other albums in between. 850 00:48:43,599 --> 00:48:46,599 There's some great songs, but there's a whole lot of filler. 851 00:48:48,199 --> 00:48:54,639 Speaker 2: Dare I say, crap, you are blaspheming right now, and 852 00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,280 I don't have anything to throw at you. But I 853 00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,320 don't can I can see what you're saying. I mean, 854 00:49:02,199 --> 00:49:04,519 if I'm gonna listen to the whole album. Yeah, Van 855 00:49:04,559 --> 00:49:08,159 Halen won first, nineteen eighty four, second, and then those 856 00:49:08,199 --> 00:49:11,360 other ones. They do have some songs that don't have 857 00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:17,079 what I want to hear as much, but again, it 858 00:49:17,679 --> 00:49:19,960 is what defines the band. It's what defines the band. 859 00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,119 Speaker 3: I understand, I mean, I understand what you're saying. But 860 00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:26,159 let me throw another thing at you. Yeah, I mean, okay, 861 00:49:26,199 --> 00:49:29,920 for me, I'm always gonna grab either fifty one, fifty 862 00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,079 or nineteen eighty four. Okay, that's where I But then 863 00:49:33,119 --> 00:49:34,880 after that it's always oh you a one to two. 864 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,639 Speaker 4: Okay, let's talk a. 865 00:49:38,599 --> 00:49:43,960 Speaker 3: Little bit about the overall attitude and class of these 866 00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:44,519 two guys. 867 00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:49,519 Speaker 2: Oh well, I mean there's no question, Okay, there's no question. 868 00:49:50,199 --> 00:49:51,960 If I'm gonna if I'm gonna be riding in a 869 00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:54,519 tour bus with somebody, I want it to be Sammy. 870 00:49:54,639 --> 00:49:54,960 Speaker 4: Okay. 871 00:49:55,559 --> 00:49:58,679 Speaker 2: If I'm in Las Vegas and hanging out on the strip, 872 00:49:59,159 --> 00:50:01,440 I want it to be datd Okay, And I will 873 00:50:01,519 --> 00:50:04,239 I will resign myself to know that I'm just gonna 874 00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,400 follow along and watch what's happening, what is unfolding before me. 875 00:50:07,639 --> 00:50:09,159 Because with Sammy, I know I got a guy that 876 00:50:09,199 --> 00:50:10,960 can probably talk to you know, we're gonna talk, we're 877 00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,480 gonna be as about stuff, We're gonna shoot tequila, and 878 00:50:13,519 --> 00:50:17,039 it'll be great. But if David Lee Roth is with me, 879 00:50:17,159 --> 00:50:19,360 I'm just gonna I'm gonna step back and watch it 880 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:23,679 like it's a car wreck. I'm with you. 881 00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:27,760 Speaker 3: I totally I'm with you. They serve two purposes. Right 882 00:50:28,639 --> 00:50:30,440 at the end of a weekend with Dave, you wake 883 00:50:30,519 --> 00:50:32,159 up on the floor and wonder what happened? 884 00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:33,559 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, the. 885 00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,440 Speaker 3: Weekend with Sammy, you're like sitting on the beach. 886 00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,000 Speaker 4: Hey man, We're still having a great time. 887 00:50:37,039 --> 00:50:39,719 Speaker 2: You know, absolutely but I mean again, I think this 888 00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:43,199 goes to the definition of the band. Van Halen is 889 00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:47,719 David Lee Roth party, and it's when the party becomes 890 00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,000 a nice get together that you lose me. 891 00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,400 Speaker 3: Okay, well that's fair. I mean we you know this 892 00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,320 is all personal opinion, But I don't know. I just 893 00:50:56,559 --> 00:51:00,679 I enjoy the music more from Sammy. It's more, Yeah, 894 00:51:00,679 --> 00:51:03,719 it is more love songy, but there's a whole lot 895 00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:04,400 less junk. 896 00:51:05,159 --> 00:51:08,679 Speaker 2: It's yeah. I mean, it is a matter of what 897 00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:14,840 you enjoy. But again, I want dirty. If I'm going 898 00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,920 out for a hamburger, I want a smash burger. I 899 00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,920 want a cheap white bread bun. Don't give me some 900 00:51:21,159 --> 00:51:25,159 chabbata nonsense. Don't give me a pre formed patty. Give 901 00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,760 me something raw and messy. That's what I want my 902 00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:32,679 hard rock heavy metal to be. I don't want it 903 00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:37,920 to be a gourmet burger with with Sammy. I mean, 904 00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:43,000 there are multiple changes that happen. You You lose Ted Templeman, right, 905 00:51:43,519 --> 00:51:50,920 you lose the Frankenstrat guitar, you get the keyboards coming in. 906 00:51:51,639 --> 00:51:54,480 It's it's a different sound. And I mean just to 907 00:51:54,639 --> 00:51:57,679 and I'm gonna try to try to put words onto 908 00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,960 sound as best I can. But you've got sharp and 909 00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:05,280 edgy and rip your guts out kind of sound coming 910 00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,559 from the franken strat on the Van Halen days. And Eddie, 911 00:52:08,559 --> 00:52:12,199 who's constantly in search for that perfect tone, starts to 912 00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:16,199 lean towards this warm and round tone that you get 913 00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,920 on those on those albums With Sammy. 914 00:52:18,679 --> 00:52:21,159 Speaker 3: I mean, I see what you're saying, and we've already agreed. 915 00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,320 Speaker 4: I'm more of a radio friendly guy, right. 916 00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:27,239 Speaker 3: Right, Ye's it's a personal preference thing. Imagine we'll get 917 00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,719 into it a little bit more when if we break down. 918 00:52:29,639 --> 00:52:31,960 Speaker 2: It's just that your personal preference is wrong. That's all, 919 00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:34,679 which as long as we can both agree that your 920 00:52:34,679 --> 00:52:35,679 personal preference is wrong. 921 00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:40,000 Speaker 3: I know, man, I just for me, the Sammy Hagar 922 00:52:40,119 --> 00:52:44,239 era is roll down the windows, drive around, crank it up, 923 00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,599 having a great time in the summer night. Dave is 924 00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,239 I mean Dave listen. I love Dave Era van Halen. 925 00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,360 Speaker 4: But it's just different. They're just two different bands. 926 00:52:54,519 --> 00:52:57,639 Speaker 2: So anyway that part we can agree on. They're definitely 927 00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:58,320 different bands. 928 00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,440 Speaker 3: They are different bands. But let me just throw a 929 00:53:01,519 --> 00:53:06,840 quick shout out, Sammy, if you're listening, contact us through 930 00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,719 the podcast. I promise we'll find a spot to get 931 00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:13,079 you on here wants you to be involved with a show. 932 00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:18,639 Speaker 2: Five star review Sammy, Okay, this defines our difference because 933 00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,719 I know there's no way in heck that David Lee 934 00:53:22,159 --> 00:53:22,480 is going. 935 00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:28,000 Speaker 3: To be exactly past exactly Dave is too busy talking. 936 00:53:29,159 --> 00:53:31,360 I don't know the interaction with the fans. I think 937 00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:35,159 Sammy is stronger there too. He just seems he's just 938 00:53:35,199 --> 00:53:38,559 such a likable guy. When Van Halen was introducted into 939 00:53:38,599 --> 00:53:42,239 Hall of Fame, you know who showed up, Sammy and 940 00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:46,400 Michael Anthony, two guys who are banned from existence now. 941 00:53:48,039 --> 00:53:52,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, So, guys, thank you for listening to us for 942 00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:55,840 this entire diatribe that we've gone through. We hope that 943 00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:57,559 you enjoyed it. We hope you had a little fun 944 00:53:57,599 --> 00:54:03,960 with us. Oh my gosh, we have to talk about 945 00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:05,039 what's going to happen next week. 946 00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:06,239 Speaker 3: I'm so excited. 947 00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,440 Speaker 2: Yes it is. It's been coming and coming, and it's 948 00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,199 finally going to be here. It is The Raiders of 949 00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:16,119 the Lost Arc versus The Back to the Future podcast. 950 00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:18,400 Speaker 3: Two of our all time favorite movies. 951 00:54:18,119 --> 00:54:22,159 Speaker 2: From the eighties. Yes, they are amazing movies. Get ready 952 00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:24,440 for a lot of geeking out, because that is what's 953 00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,400 going to happen. There's lots of geeking out to come. 954 00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,119 So if you want to come geek out with us, 955 00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:29,440 please come and listen in. 956 00:54:29,599 --> 00:54:31,719 Speaker 3: That's right, turn on your flicks, capacitors, get out your 957 00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:32,920 bull whip, and we will see. 958 00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:33,599 Speaker 4: You next week. 959 00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:39,480 Speaker 2: Again. 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