WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.560 --> 00:00:07.280 Hello, Hi, oh Hello, that's okay. 2 00:00:08.519 --> 00:00:12.599 I'm back in London and you know, we love London folks. 3 00:00:13.800 --> 00:00:18.399 But it's like the vibes, the vibes do go downhill 4 00:00:18.399 --> 00:00:20.920 once you leave the continent. It has to be said, 5 00:00:22.359 --> 00:00:25.920 like even like attempting to leave. It's quite funny because 6 00:00:27.000 --> 00:00:33.640 you know, since I'm Irish maxing and uh, passport logging 7 00:00:34.439 --> 00:00:37.479 at all times, it's like I just kind of breeze 8 00:00:37.520 --> 00:00:38.600 about do whatever I want. 9 00:00:38.679 --> 00:00:43.240 But Justin is cursed with a UK passport, so he 10 00:00:43.439 --> 00:00:47.640 has to line up with all the non EU people and. 11 00:00:49.159 --> 00:00:52.640 Like you have to now be fingerprinted whenever you're like 12 00:00:53.679 --> 00:00:55.759 going in and out of the or something like that. 13 00:00:56.159 --> 00:00:59.920 So like I'm not joking, like I'm just okay, Well 14 00:01:00.079 --> 00:01:03.840 I'm in the U line like Cinara Sucker, I'll see 15 00:01:04.120 --> 00:01:05.879 in there and I go get us seats and I 16 00:01:05.879 --> 00:01:09.280 guess it must have been like eleven sixteen when I 17 00:01:09.280 --> 00:01:11.159 sat down. I know this because there were time stamps 18 00:01:11.200 --> 00:01:15.040 on it, and I'm just like, dude, dude, just like vibing, 19 00:01:15.159 --> 00:01:17.840 I'm posting, you know obviously, and. 20 00:01:17.799 --> 00:01:19.560 Then like I look up and I'm like, where the 21 00:01:19.599 --> 00:01:20.400 fuck is Justin. 22 00:01:20.439 --> 00:01:23.519 It's like he eventually gets into the lobby at like 23 00:01:24.680 --> 00:01:30.400 eleven fifty or something, and I was like, yikes, and uh, 24 00:01:30.560 --> 00:01:32.920 you know, it's just one of the many indignities and 25 00:01:32.959 --> 00:01:34.799 Brexit fundamentally so. 26 00:01:36.719 --> 00:01:43.159 The indignities of Bricksit my favorite Pogues album. 27 00:01:43.719 --> 00:01:46.599 Yeah, a difficult second album, if ever I've heard one. 28 00:01:46.920 --> 00:01:52.439 Yeah, yep, yep, yep. M How are your friend? 29 00:01:53.959 --> 00:02:04.319 Oh I'm good, you know, here doing doing whatever I 30 00:02:04.359 --> 00:02:09.840 can to stay out of the the sun. It is 31 00:02:10.400 --> 00:02:17.520 unbearably hot here. August worst month of the year, always 32 00:02:17.520 --> 00:02:19.639 the worst month of the true I don't want to 33 00:02:19.680 --> 00:02:22.919 hear anything else. I don't to hear things about February 34 00:02:23.120 --> 00:02:27.719 or January or whatever. The fuck. No, it's August. Nothing good. 35 00:02:28.599 --> 00:02:35.479 The weather is always dog ship and uh yeah it's 36 00:02:35.680 --> 00:02:41.800 uh it sucks. Yeah, this is uh anti August podcast. 37 00:02:42.080 --> 00:02:43.120 Anti August action. 38 00:02:43.680 --> 00:02:47.120 Yeah you heard, no no August. 39 00:02:47.560 --> 00:02:53.520 No, there's no we have no holidays. We have no no, 40 00:02:53.520 --> 00:02:58.479 no no holidays that people really go out of their way. 41 00:02:59.080 --> 00:03:04.000 I think our day is possibly in August or something 42 00:03:04.080 --> 00:03:06.360 like that. But yeah, it's like. 43 00:03:09.080 --> 00:03:16.960 Yeah, yeah, it's too Yeah, it's like nothing but joyless 44 00:03:17.000 --> 00:03:19.560 and oppressive heat. I don't know. 45 00:03:19.599 --> 00:03:23.000 Here in England, everything is on fire quite literally, but 46 00:03:23.000 --> 00:03:25.639 I wouldn't worry about it. I think it's probably like, 47 00:03:25.719 --> 00:03:29.280 it's probably fine that the other day in Greenwich Park 48 00:03:29.520 --> 00:03:30.039 there was. 49 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:30.800 A dust devil. 50 00:03:31.280 --> 00:03:33.919 I probably wouldn't worry about it. I don't think we 51 00:03:34.000 --> 00:03:36.960 need to worry about climate breakdown at all. I think 52 00:03:36.960 --> 00:03:41.280 it's probably good. It's probably fine that it hasn't rained 53 00:03:41.319 --> 00:03:45.000 here for over a month and everything is brown and dying, 54 00:03:46.439 --> 00:03:50.759 and I don't think that there's anything to worry about anyway. 55 00:03:50.759 --> 00:03:54.240 Our glorious new Prime Minister is gonna do some more 56 00:03:54.280 --> 00:03:56.400 north sea drilling about it, so I think that that'll 57 00:03:56.439 --> 00:03:57.800 probably start itself out. 58 00:03:58.639 --> 00:04:00.360 Probably if we just say, do. 59 00:04:00.360 --> 00:04:02.960 A bit more drilling in the north Sea, I think 60 00:04:02.960 --> 00:04:04.599 it'll it'll just sort itself out, won't. 61 00:04:04.439 --> 00:04:11.520 It all all done? Nothing to see here, folks dusting dramatically, 62 00:04:11.639 --> 00:04:17.160 dusting off my palms, turning on a diamond, leaving my 63 00:04:17.240 --> 00:04:26.519 work here is done. But you didn't do anything, didn't I. 64 00:04:23.519 --> 00:04:25.639 I gonna I mean, we'll probably have to save it 65 00:04:25.680 --> 00:04:30.879 for eleanor rants about UK politics, Patriot or something soon. 66 00:04:30.920 --> 00:04:37.519 But bro like the vibes subterranean. Yeah, so what are 67 00:04:37.560 --> 00:04:38.399 we gonna do? 68 00:04:38.439 --> 00:04:38.680 You know? 69 00:04:40.079 --> 00:04:40.319 Yeah? 70 00:04:40.879 --> 00:04:52.680 Yeah, yeah, yeah, well we should probably get yeah, a 71 00:04:52.759 --> 00:04:57.800 quick quick thing. Yesterday I was I texted you about it. 72 00:04:57.839 --> 00:05:02.040 I was going through I was going through the Internet 73 00:05:02.160 --> 00:05:05.959 archive looking for something, and I found our our good, 74 00:05:06.959 --> 00:05:19.240 our good friend Nicitis Conneats the thirteenth century Byzantine chronicler, 75 00:05:19.399 --> 00:05:28.120 historian whatever. And yeah, he was writing between the the 76 00:05:28.120 --> 00:05:31.160 the late eleven hundreds and the early twelve hundreds, and 77 00:05:31.199 --> 00:05:36.199 he was there at the the the original fall of Constantinople, 78 00:05:36.319 --> 00:05:42.800 not the revision, the fourteen fifty three revisionist one, the 79 00:05:42.920 --> 00:05:46.120 original the o G fallow up of Constantinople, which he 80 00:05:46.240 --> 00:05:52.040 does capitalize as fall of Constantinople, so you know, yeah, 81 00:05:52.759 --> 00:05:59.800 periodization is not is not new by any stretch. And 82 00:05:59.879 --> 00:06:03.879 he uh, but but I was looking for something else 83 00:06:03.959 --> 00:06:08.519 and I was struck by he writes about it, and 84 00:06:08.560 --> 00:06:10.959 he when he he gets to the end of it, 85 00:06:11.120 --> 00:06:14.439 he's he's clearly heartbroke, and he's gone on like this 86 00:06:15.519 --> 00:06:19.720 three or four page like diatribe, you know, because like 87 00:06:19.759 --> 00:06:23.319 oh City of Brilliant, Oh Queen of City, oh, you know, 88 00:06:23.399 --> 00:06:26.319 like and they all they all do it, and and 89 00:06:26.360 --> 00:06:29.879 you know it's it's it's legitimate. He is uh, he 90 00:06:29.959 --> 00:06:36.920 is very distraught, but he uh, but he he gets 91 00:06:37.000 --> 00:06:38.879 to the point, he gets to the to the end 92 00:06:38.920 --> 00:06:41.120 of this, and he starts to turn it into this 93 00:06:41.240 --> 00:06:46.800 metaphor about the fall of Troy and Helen of Troy, 94 00:06:46.839 --> 00:06:51.720 and he also capitalized fall of Troy like that, and 95 00:06:51.839 --> 00:06:58.000 uh he he's trying, I think the best I can tell, 96 00:06:58.040 --> 00:07:00.720 because this is a scan of like an old copy 97 00:07:00.759 --> 00:07:07.120 of a like a twenty early twentieth century English translation 98 00:07:07.240 --> 00:07:10.920 of this. But the best thing I can tell, he's 99 00:07:10.920 --> 00:07:15.639 trying to say, like Constantinople is like the Queen of 100 00:07:15.759 --> 00:07:20.160 City is like Helen of Troy, and and and he's 101 00:07:20.240 --> 00:07:22.360 and he's comparing it to the beauty of Helen of 102 00:07:22.399 --> 00:07:24.879 Troy and the ruin of Helen of Troy and all 103 00:07:24.920 --> 00:07:27.240 of this sort of stuff. And then like he as 104 00:07:27.279 --> 00:07:29.480 he's doing it, he kind of gets his metaphors mixed, 105 00:07:29.519 --> 00:07:34.879 and he starts talking about like how it's like they 106 00:07:35.000 --> 00:07:39.959 are the Trojans and the Latins are are the Greeks, 107 00:07:40.079 --> 00:07:44.560 and and they've reenacted it, and and he just he's, 108 00:07:44.800 --> 00:07:49.800 he's he's heartbroken. He's mixing his metaphors. And I realized 109 00:07:49.879 --> 00:07:57.959 that like people ham fistedly comparing their current circumstances to 110 00:07:59.040 --> 00:08:04.439 a big event fictional or otherwise. He's I mean, he 111 00:08:04.519 --> 00:08:06.519 talks about it like like these are real people and 112 00:08:06.560 --> 00:08:08.839 this really happened, so I'm not going to doubt that. 113 00:08:08.920 --> 00:08:14.120 But and uh, and then just like ending up mixing 114 00:08:14.160 --> 00:08:16.639 the metaphors and being so on the nose you can't 115 00:08:16.639 --> 00:08:22.519 even stand it, like, uh, god, damn it always been 116 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:25.160 like this. You know, I was struck by it. It 117 00:08:25.199 --> 00:08:29.199 was profoundly sad, but also like wow that. 118 00:08:31.199 --> 00:08:34.080 The like the the white boy longs in his heart 119 00:08:34.320 --> 00:08:36.399 to lament the social. 120 00:08:36.080 --> 00:08:40.279 Realities, you know, man, So it's it's so good. 121 00:08:40.919 --> 00:08:41.120 Yeah. 122 00:08:42.039 --> 00:08:45.960 Also, just shout out to the Internet archive. Use it 123 00:08:46.279 --> 00:08:49.440 so much. I give them, I give them, I tithe. 124 00:08:50.360 --> 00:08:54.919 Absolutely. They have a lot of old books on there, 125 00:08:55.039 --> 00:09:00.559 a lot of old like manuscript style books and goals 126 00:09:00.559 --> 00:09:04.320 and things like that that you would normally not even 127 00:09:04.360 --> 00:09:06.159 have to go to like a library, where you'd have 128 00:09:06.200 --> 00:09:08.000 to go to like a specialty like you have to 129 00:09:08.039 --> 00:09:10.559 go to like a specialty place to to even look 130 00:09:10.600 --> 00:09:17.879 at it. And but but yeah, it's our age of 131 00:09:17.919 --> 00:09:21.559 bronze is collapsing. Uh, we're going into it. 132 00:09:22.240 --> 00:09:23.840 Then linear B. 133 00:09:24.360 --> 00:09:26.480 You know what off linear B? What if my and 134 00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:29.559 he's but he's doing it. He's periodizing the whole thing 135 00:09:29.639 --> 00:09:32.240 and he's just calling back to to to Troy, to 136 00:09:32.279 --> 00:09:33.639 the fall of Troy. 137 00:09:33.919 --> 00:09:35.399 Well, you know what, I think that if you ask 138 00:09:35.480 --> 00:09:38.320 someone who considers themselves a Roman, right, they're going to 139 00:09:38.399 --> 00:09:40.840 be the ones who are doing it the hardest. Right. 140 00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:45.120 So yeah, yeah, that's good. Yeah, good stuff. Yeah, there 141 00:09:45.120 --> 00:09:48.960 we go. Oh he does say us Romans like he calls, 142 00:09:50.600 --> 00:09:53.639 and he's right to do it. I love it. I 143 00:09:53.679 --> 00:09:57.879 think it's so cute. I do. I think it's you know, 144 00:09:57.960 --> 00:10:00.759 I think it's uh, you know that was the fall 145 00:10:00.799 --> 00:10:04.360 of Rome down. That's so so so adorable. 146 00:10:04.440 --> 00:10:05.559 I agree with him. 147 00:10:05.840 --> 00:10:08.840 I'm like, yeah, I know he's right. It's just uh yeah, 148 00:10:08.960 --> 00:10:10.279 that's so that's so sweet. 149 00:10:10.360 --> 00:10:19.080 Anyway, the Troy sounds funny though. Oh good, good times. 150 00:10:51.960 --> 00:10:58.120 Hello, welcome back to We're Not So Different podcast about 151 00:10:58.120 --> 00:11:05.759 how it's it's sad. It's sad when when bad thing 152 00:11:05.879 --> 00:11:08.519 happens and you have to call back to, uh, to 153 00:11:08.600 --> 00:11:15.559 the one story everyone knows. Yep, all right, folks today, 154 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:18.559 Uh fuck it, it's uh it's Peter. I have a 155 00:11:18.600 --> 00:11:22.240 hard time for better and for worse. Uh. But before 156 00:11:22.240 --> 00:11:24.200 we get there. We get a couple questions from our patrons, 157 00:11:24.200 --> 00:11:27.320 first from Ali Kant, who says, what was dental care 158 00:11:27.480 --> 00:11:30.320 like in the Middle Ages and what were the different practices. 159 00:11:31.039 --> 00:11:33.679 I bet I got ideas, and I bet they aren't good. 160 00:11:34.440 --> 00:11:39.960 Listen, You've got ideas, and the ideas are probably correct, 161 00:11:40.200 --> 00:11:42.559 is what I would point out. But I hasten to 162 00:11:42.679 --> 00:11:45.840 add that one of the things that is going on 163 00:11:45.960 --> 00:11:48.360 in the medieval period is their teeth are kind of 164 00:11:48.360 --> 00:11:50.360 a little bit better than ours just because they don't 165 00:11:50.360 --> 00:11:51.440 have access to sugar. 166 00:11:52.080 --> 00:11:53.519 Yes, yeah, yeah, yes. 167 00:11:53.320 --> 00:11:56.840 So they don't have a lot of the same problems 168 00:11:56.840 --> 00:12:00.799 that we do with tooth to kay and things like that, 169 00:12:00.799 --> 00:12:03.320 because it's like, yeah, they wish they could access sugar 170 00:12:04.360 --> 00:12:07.039 like this is. I mean, you can very occasionally get 171 00:12:07.120 --> 00:12:09.600 sugar that'll come up from Africa, but I'm sure you 172 00:12:09.600 --> 00:12:12.200 can understand how expensive that is. So it's like, yeah, 173 00:12:12.240 --> 00:12:16.200 there's honey, Yeah, sure, sure there is. But you know, 174 00:12:16.320 --> 00:12:18.559 it is just one of these things where you're just 175 00:12:18.759 --> 00:12:21.320 not getting enough in your diet to really fuck your 176 00:12:21.360 --> 00:12:24.320 teeth up as much as we are now we can. 177 00:12:24.399 --> 00:12:26.440 We can fuck our teeth up all goddamn day long, 178 00:12:26.960 --> 00:12:30.240 right like you know, every cavity I ever had in 179 00:12:30.240 --> 00:12:32.600 my life is down to mountain dew consumption at the 180 00:12:32.639 --> 00:12:34.279 age of seventeen, right. 181 00:12:34.559 --> 00:12:39.639 Yeah, I'm just just just slamming fruit by the foot 182 00:12:39.799 --> 00:12:43.879 and gushers, oh yeah, just annihilating my teeth. 183 00:12:43.960 --> 00:12:47.799 Yeah, completely, And there's just like not a whole lot 184 00:12:47.879 --> 00:12:51.679 that actually can be done about it when you're eating 185 00:12:51.799 --> 00:12:53.720 sugar at that level and they just aren't. 186 00:12:53.879 --> 00:12:55.840 They just aren't because they can't. 187 00:12:56.000 --> 00:12:58.519 You know, they wish, they wish they were doing it 188 00:12:58.600 --> 00:13:04.200 like us, but no can do so like that is 189 00:13:04.399 --> 00:13:05.399 it is one thing to consider. 190 00:13:05.399 --> 00:13:07.440 But yeah, they're mostly just like hoofing your tooth out. 191 00:13:07.840 --> 00:13:11.600 They're mostly like gonna get you kind of like numbed 192 00:13:11.679 --> 00:13:14.840 up as best they can, and they're just gonna like 193 00:13:14.919 --> 00:13:15.840 go to town. 194 00:13:15.440 --> 00:13:16.120 On that puppy. 195 00:13:17.200 --> 00:13:19.080 And so you know, like there isn't kind of they 196 00:13:19.440 --> 00:13:22.080 do have, you know, they brush their teeth and things 197 00:13:22.159 --> 00:13:25.879 like that. But I also hasten to add that another 198 00:13:25.919 --> 00:13:28.519 thing to keep in mind is that until after World 199 00:13:28.559 --> 00:13:36.679 War Two, toothpaste didn't really do anything except like yeah yeah, yeah, 200 00:13:36.879 --> 00:13:42.559 so it's like good luck, God bless have fun out there, kid. 201 00:13:44.080 --> 00:13:48.480 But you know that is something that we've got to now, 202 00:13:49.679 --> 00:13:52.279 so I mean like Victorians, they're in a much worse 203 00:13:52.320 --> 00:13:58.360 situation tooth wise, yes, right than and indeed dental surgery 204 00:13:58.399 --> 00:14:02.200 hadn't really progressed whole fucking lot at that point in time. 205 00:14:02.399 --> 00:14:04.879 Uh yeah, So I mean listen, it's pretty much as 206 00:14:04.960 --> 00:14:07.720 grizzly as you would think. 207 00:14:07.840 --> 00:14:14.000 It's just also more rare, which is good question. Yeah, 208 00:14:14.120 --> 00:14:14.639 I guess. 209 00:14:15.000 --> 00:14:19.399 Yeah, I'm just thinking about like the actual like because 210 00:14:20.039 --> 00:14:22.000 if you're doing this, like it's got to get to 211 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:25.039 a state to where it's real bad. Oh yeah, and 212 00:14:25.240 --> 00:14:27.080 like but the thing about it is like when a 213 00:14:27.120 --> 00:14:30.320 tooth gets to that state, like it's gonna have to 214 00:14:30.360 --> 00:14:32.639 come out cleaning it. It has to come out, and 215 00:14:32.679 --> 00:14:39.919 cleaning that out is like like, oh, I think I've talked. 216 00:14:39.919 --> 00:14:41.799 I'm not gonna talk about it more because it squigs 217 00:14:41.840 --> 00:14:44.120 me out. But I hate going to do this. I 218 00:14:44.159 --> 00:14:46.679 do it because I know I have to, and like 219 00:14:46.759 --> 00:14:49.360 it's a it's an affront to like everybody who didn't 220 00:14:49.399 --> 00:14:53.200 have it to like not do it, but like I 221 00:14:53.279 --> 00:14:55.799 hate it. I hate it so much. And so the 222 00:14:55.879 --> 00:14:59.320 idea of any of this like somebody rooting around in 223 00:14:59.360 --> 00:15:03.240 my mouth at all, Like yeah, fingers or eat like. 224 00:15:03.240 --> 00:15:09.440 Ah, yeah, yeah, no gloves, yeah, absolutely, no glass, absolutely, 225 00:15:11.679 --> 00:15:12.039 I don't. 226 00:15:12.240 --> 00:15:16.320 Like there's something about the dental process and like, uh 227 00:15:16.360 --> 00:15:19.679 huh the thing I feel, I don't Yeah, I feel 228 00:15:19.879 --> 00:15:22.480 not not a fan. It squeaked me out a lot. However, 229 00:15:23.120 --> 00:15:25.720 you should go to the dentist. Do not let my 230 00:15:25.840 --> 00:15:30.200 weirdness uh dissuade you from that if you can. Hopefully 231 00:15:30.240 --> 00:15:32.960 you can, because I know it's not included in a 232 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:36.919 lot of places, and uh, in dental care because these 233 00:15:36.960 --> 00:15:40.480 are the these are the luxury bones. They don't you know, they're. 234 00:15:40.600 --> 00:15:44.679 Yeah, I mean one of my most crank opinions about this, like, 235 00:15:44.720 --> 00:15:47.039 for example, a lot of dental care is not included 236 00:15:47.080 --> 00:15:51.440 in the NHS. Is my one of my most crank 237 00:15:51.480 --> 00:15:54.679 opinions about it is that because it doesn't necessarily kill 238 00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:56.799 you and it's a reliable class indicator. 239 00:15:57.519 --> 00:16:01.039 Yeah, they we keep it. That's that's what I believe 240 00:16:01.080 --> 00:16:01.600 to be true. 241 00:16:02.960 --> 00:16:05.360 Yeah, I get really been out of shape when people 242 00:16:05.399 --> 00:16:07.559 make jokes about British dentistry as a result of this 243 00:16:07.600 --> 00:16:10.600 as well, even though like British industry is like pretty. 244 00:16:10.279 --> 00:16:13.159 Fine anymore, Like that's a fashion thing to say. 245 00:16:13.200 --> 00:16:16.879 But you know, I've stopped except the Big Book of 246 00:16:16.879 --> 00:16:19.159 British Smiles. That's important. 247 00:16:19.440 --> 00:16:23.159 It's important as a reaction image if like, if a 248 00:16:23.159 --> 00:16:25.840 British person does get too out of pocket online, I 249 00:16:25.879 --> 00:16:26.679 will say that. 250 00:16:26.600 --> 00:16:31.559 And especially the portrait of Charles, and they're it's just. 251 00:16:31.480 --> 00:16:34.879 So important, it's so important. It's fine to do it 252 00:16:34.919 --> 00:16:39.080 to Prince Charles. Okay, it's always fine to bully the monarchy. 253 00:16:39.200 --> 00:16:42.720 It's just everyone else that I don't like it happening to. 254 00:16:43.279 --> 00:16:46.240 It's it's not their fault, it's you know. The thing 255 00:16:46.240 --> 00:16:49.200 about it is is like before fluoride was invented, like 256 00:16:49.840 --> 00:16:54.080 not before it was invented, but before like we discovered 257 00:16:54.120 --> 00:16:56.759 it and were able to like I guess synthesize it 258 00:16:56.799 --> 00:16:59.799 in some way and stuff like that, Like, uh, that 259 00:17:00.200 --> 00:17:02.759 much you could do for teeth, like there just wasn't 260 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:07.759 like because they're because there's you can't you can't. Yeah, 261 00:17:07.839 --> 00:17:11.839 you can't inject anything into them. You can't, like you know, 262 00:17:11.960 --> 00:17:16.000 and brushing your teeth was not like a super duper 263 00:17:16.079 --> 00:17:22.720 common practice outside of like cities and stuff until maybe 264 00:17:22.839 --> 00:17:27.720 World War One. Is maybe it's it was, it's very 265 00:17:28.279 --> 00:17:31.960 far more recent than we might think. Anyway. Yeah, this 266 00:17:32.079 --> 00:17:34.920 is one of those things that unites people across all 267 00:17:34.960 --> 00:17:37.799 of time and space until the invention of fluoride. Is 268 00:17:37.839 --> 00:17:44.519 that fucking sucks for everyone rich, poor. It does not matter. 269 00:17:45.160 --> 00:17:48.839 It fucking sucked, just they gotta rip that ship out 270 00:17:48.920 --> 00:17:52.920 it anyway, Olly, thank you very much for the question. 271 00:17:53.359 --> 00:17:55.640 Uh next, got one from energy in your face, who says, 272 00:17:55.759 --> 00:17:59.200 let's talk gout right, gout. 273 00:17:59.039 --> 00:18:01.880 Chat shout out gout, shout out gout. 274 00:18:03.039 --> 00:18:05.720 So you know a lot of people. Sorry, I'm going 275 00:18:05.759 --> 00:18:09.079 on with the question that. Yeah, like no, I was 276 00:18:09.119 --> 00:18:15.160 just like talk about the brother the medical problem known 277 00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:18.279 as gout. Anyway, So, like ninety people had struggles to 278 00:18:18.279 --> 00:18:23.440 get their caloric intake met while nobles ate so much 279 00:18:23.480 --> 00:18:26.279 meat they got gout. How much meat is to meat? 280 00:18:26.400 --> 00:18:30.079 Too much meat like fog to chao or Korean barbecue 281 00:18:30.119 --> 00:18:34.319 twice daily without any salad or pickle, veggies or anything, 282 00:18:35.200 --> 00:18:37.759 the modern equivalent of fibervies a day. I can't conceive 283 00:18:37.799 --> 00:18:39.960 of the amount of meat you need to get gout. 284 00:18:40.000 --> 00:18:41.400 And I am a modern American. 285 00:18:42.079 --> 00:18:45.079 Okay, Yeah, so here's the thing I'm about to bring 286 00:18:45.160 --> 00:18:49.400 some like bad. It's more complex than that news to 287 00:18:49.440 --> 00:18:53.160 the chat, as is my want, which is that gout 288 00:18:53.359 --> 00:18:57.759 is actually largely not due to dietary practice per se. 289 00:18:57.880 --> 00:18:58.559 It's genetic. 290 00:18:59.640 --> 00:18:59.880 Yep. 291 00:19:00.839 --> 00:19:05.799 I know this because my husband has scout, which. 292 00:19:06.359 --> 00:19:10.440 Oh your husband who consumes who consumes ten racks of 293 00:19:10.559 --> 00:19:12.759 lamb a day, Well. 294 00:19:17.720 --> 00:19:19.200 That's like hundred percent. 295 00:19:19.240 --> 00:19:21.559 And I got to say that, like his Kiwi family 296 00:19:21.599 --> 00:19:23.599 did be going to town on lamb constantly. 297 00:19:23.640 --> 00:19:25.359 So who's lamb is delicious? 298 00:19:25.599 --> 00:19:29.920 Listen, it's it's just like they come by it honestly, right, 299 00:19:29.960 --> 00:19:31.480 If they're not going to eat a sheep, they're gonna 300 00:19:31.480 --> 00:19:31.839 shag it. 301 00:19:31.960 --> 00:19:34.960 So you know, wait Kiwi jokes am I right am? 302 00:19:34.960 --> 00:19:35.279 I right? 303 00:19:35.799 --> 00:19:39.880 Take that, you nation of wonderful scally waggs who I 304 00:19:39.920 --> 00:19:45.759 love anyway. So yeah, one of the big reasons we 305 00:19:45.799 --> 00:19:50.160 tend to see it a lot in uh Royalty, for example, 306 00:19:50.319 --> 00:19:52.240 it is not because they're eating so much meat because 307 00:19:52.240 --> 00:19:55.480 they're it's because they're so fucking inbread, right, they're passing 308 00:19:55.519 --> 00:19:58.400 around the same five goddamn jeans and one of them 309 00:19:58.599 --> 00:20:01.839 is gout right, That's that's what they got going on there, 310 00:20:02.400 --> 00:20:05.279 And so as a result, it comes up more often. 311 00:20:05.599 --> 00:20:06.480 Now the thing. 312 00:20:06.400 --> 00:20:10.440 That makes your gout hurt because what happens it's a 313 00:20:10.519 --> 00:20:15.319 build up of crystallized uric acid in the blood that 314 00:20:15.519 --> 00:20:18.160 usually goes around your big toe. 315 00:20:18.400 --> 00:20:20.960 For whatever reason, it just gets congested down there. 316 00:20:21.039 --> 00:20:24.440 I don't fuck know, you know, have I looked this 317 00:20:24.519 --> 00:20:27.680 much into my loving husband's medical condition? No? 318 00:20:28.000 --> 00:20:30.160 Dog, No, I haven't. 319 00:20:30.720 --> 00:20:36.519 Okay, but what does it is actually purines, And so 320 00:20:37.400 --> 00:20:40.039 you have to be careful about what you eat so 321 00:20:40.079 --> 00:20:44.119 that it doesn't contain purines. And so, for example, I 322 00:20:44.200 --> 00:20:49.200 accidentally like poisoned poor Blair last year because you know, 323 00:20:49.279 --> 00:20:51.799 I was like vibing out down Chinese grocery, as is 324 00:20:51.799 --> 00:20:55.160 my wont and I was like, yeah, I'm gonna make 325 00:20:55.160 --> 00:20:55.640 some noodles. 326 00:20:55.640 --> 00:20:56.200 That'll be great. 327 00:20:56.279 --> 00:20:59.799 And I picked up a green vegetable that I hadn't 328 00:20:59.799 --> 00:21:03.640 worked with before that I later learned was water spinach. 329 00:21:03.720 --> 00:21:05.359 I was like, I don't even know who she is, 330 00:21:05.720 --> 00:21:08.200 but she's looking at the green and leafy, and due 331 00:21:08.240 --> 00:21:10.839 to like my vegmaxing policy, I was like, gotta throw 332 00:21:10.839 --> 00:21:11.839 this in the noodles, right. 333 00:21:13.359 --> 00:21:13.680 Yeah. 334 00:21:13.680 --> 00:21:16.319 So Blair had a full like Homer Simpson in the 335 00:21:16.359 --> 00:21:21.200 Sandwich moment, where like he did it, he didn't kind 336 00:21:21.200 --> 00:21:24.279 of realize at first that it was like the noodles 337 00:21:24.319 --> 00:21:26.880 because he was like, well, well, maybe I don't know, 338 00:21:26.920 --> 00:21:28.920 maybe we've been drinking or something like that, and drinking 339 00:21:29.000 --> 00:21:32.839 can set it off, right, particularly drinking beer. So like 340 00:21:32.960 --> 00:21:36.880 beer is worse than wine because it's got more purines 341 00:21:36.880 --> 00:21:40.759 in and so he was like, oh, I don't know, 342 00:21:40.839 --> 00:21:42.480 like a gout kind of hurts today. I was like, yeah, 343 00:21:42.519 --> 00:21:45.400 that's crazy. Anyway, like i'd made I always make leftovers. 344 00:21:45.440 --> 00:21:47.079 He takes me to work or whatever, and he's like 345 00:21:47.200 --> 00:21:48.359 oh ow ow. 346 00:21:48.319 --> 00:21:50.079 And he was like why, what's what? Like what did 347 00:21:50.160 --> 00:21:50.680 you put in this? 348 00:21:50.759 --> 00:21:52.200 And I was like, I don't know, you know this 349 00:21:52.240 --> 00:21:56.599 and that like mysterious vegetable and water spinach is apparently 350 00:21:56.720 --> 00:22:00.759 fucking full of purines. And he was just like in 351 00:22:00.880 --> 00:22:03.759 massive pain for a couple of days, which was cool, 352 00:22:05.079 --> 00:22:07.960 and like the poor thing was like, you know, really 353 00:22:08.000 --> 00:22:11.039 had to struggle through it. And it's like, so, for example, 354 00:22:11.079 --> 00:22:17.519 the thing that hurts him the most is asparagus, you know, yeah, yeah, 355 00:22:17.519 --> 00:22:19.599 and he loves asparagus, so it's really. 356 00:22:19.319 --> 00:22:20.240 It's really sad. 357 00:22:20.400 --> 00:22:23.960 Yeah yeah, and so like he basically can't eat asparagus, 358 00:22:24.759 --> 00:22:28.039 which is so fucking rough, and so yeah. 359 00:22:27.799 --> 00:22:29.200 It's it's actually it's not. 360 00:22:29.599 --> 00:22:32.119 The point is, yeah, meat's probably not great for it, 361 00:22:32.400 --> 00:22:35.880 but that's not the thing doing the thing, right, It's 362 00:22:35.920 --> 00:22:39.799 not really meat, it's just like whatever and interesting, so 363 00:22:39.920 --> 00:22:43.079 like gout, you know, and like there's it must be 364 00:22:43.119 --> 00:22:45.640 pronounced like goo goo. 365 00:22:45.599 --> 00:22:46.680 Gil or something like that. 366 00:22:46.759 --> 00:22:49.599 Alf say, like that is the word for like a 367 00:22:49.640 --> 00:22:52.160 good taste or something like that. And so I think 368 00:22:52.160 --> 00:22:55.039 that basically they're like, oh, rich people get this all 369 00:22:55.039 --> 00:22:58.160 the time. Rich people also be eating meat, therefore this 370 00:22:58.240 --> 00:23:01.680 has to do with that. And yeah, but it's like 371 00:23:01.799 --> 00:23:04.640 if you were also consuming your body weight in ale, 372 00:23:05.480 --> 00:23:08.920 which ordinary people are doing in order to stay like 373 00:23:09.640 --> 00:23:12.599 get their calories, you would be in so much like 374 00:23:12.640 --> 00:23:13.839 all consuming pain. 375 00:23:14.240 --> 00:23:23.000 Right, yeah, yeah, I mean it appears that like sixty 376 00:23:23.079 --> 00:23:29.519 percent of the uric acid variability comes from genetics and 377 00:23:29.559 --> 00:23:38.599 only about twelve percent comes from dietary ingestionous you know, 378 00:23:38.640 --> 00:23:43.920 stuff you're eating. I think, like it's also not any meat, 379 00:23:44.200 --> 00:23:48.039 it's organ meat that does it. That is a big thing. 380 00:23:48.160 --> 00:23:51.000 So like the organ the internal organs being used and 381 00:23:51.079 --> 00:23:55.880 chopped up because they retain uric acid and stuff like that. 382 00:23:55.920 --> 00:23:58.319 So I mean, I think and a big part of 383 00:23:58.359 --> 00:24:02.640 that is like pataise and stuff, which is I do 384 00:24:02.799 --> 00:24:05.799 be rich people, which is like and back in the 385 00:24:05.880 --> 00:24:09.079 day would have been like rich like only rich people 386 00:24:09.119 --> 00:24:12.640 type food. So like you can see how how those 387 00:24:12.640 --> 00:24:18.799 two things got connected. But yeah, it sounds awful. Makes 388 00:24:18.839 --> 00:24:19.559 your feet hurt? 389 00:24:19.799 --> 00:24:22.200 Uh, careful with that water spinach guys. 390 00:24:22.519 --> 00:24:27.319 All right, yeah, yep, junior face, Thank you very much 391 00:24:27.799 --> 00:24:30.839 for the question. If you want to ask us questions 392 00:24:30.880 --> 00:24:35.599 like these, then please do subscribe to our patroon patreon 393 00:24:35.640 --> 00:24:39.039 dot com slash w NSD pod five bucks a month. 394 00:24:39.680 --> 00:24:43.240 You can ask us questions like those. You get access 395 00:24:43.279 --> 00:24:50.079 to two bonus episodes a month. We've got our fifth episode, 396 00:24:50.079 --> 00:24:55.039 fifth book Club episode on Between two Fires coming up 397 00:24:55.160 --> 00:24:59.759 on Friday, so check that out if you're interested. And yeah, 398 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:03.440 it helps us out and we really appreciate it. Anyway, 399 00:25:04.440 --> 00:25:07.200 onto the main show. So occasionally, when you study history, 400 00:25:07.240 --> 00:25:10.440 you find individuals who seem to be aberrations in the timeline, 401 00:25:10.480 --> 00:25:13.240