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<v Speaker 1>So if he's got some good hands and feel, this

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<v Speaker 1>is too good. It's not just the fact that he's won,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the way he's played the match. He has a

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<v Speaker 1>candy bar and an RC coke. You are kidding me.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on, Marcus, his unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 2>Michael's caught some unbelievable energy to the court with the

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<v Speaker 2>fans and then with his play as well and with

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<v Speaker 2>his personality. So it was very, very refreshing to play

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<v Speaker 2>against an appoint like this, you know, who draws in

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<v Speaker 2>the crowds and come with some great shop making.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure he can play on grass. That's that's good.

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<v Speaker 3>Hello and welcome to what you're talking about. Willis. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Dave old tennis coach in a freezing cold tennis club,

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<v Speaker 3>Red Hill Way. Marcus Willis, you're in Bergomo, Italy.

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<v Speaker 1>I am what a play. I thought it was closer

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<v Speaker 1>to Milan than it is. It's a good hour away apparently, so.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the Italians know if the city of a thousand

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<v Speaker 3>because it's to do with the unification of Italy. So

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<v Speaker 3>I mean not that I've read a Wikipedia page or anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you've done some research of you.

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<v Speaker 3>Pretty much while we're just waiting for the Wi fi

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<v Speaker 3>to kick in, because Bergamo, although it is a city

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<v Speaker 3>of a thousand, can't actually get decent work in Wi fi. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>I've just learned about their traditional stuffed past, the dishes.

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<v Speaker 3>The city is the birthplace of composer Donnizetti. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>you're no wham and there's lots of history and architecture

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<v Speaker 3>and Venetian walls for you to go and look around.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, around my training are go and do that.

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<v Speaker 3>Then well, yeah, because you're not there for sight seeing.

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<v Speaker 3>You're the third seed in the Challenger. You're playing with

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<v Speaker 3>Josh Paris again, who obviously you reached a final with

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<v Speaker 3>a few weeks ago. First of all, how are you

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<v Speaker 3>feeling physically?

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<v Speaker 1>Not too bad? And my first hit yesterday and that

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<v Speaker 1>was okay. Obviously rusty, but I'm always rusty, to be honest.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I'm going out and doing a couple more

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<v Speaker 1>sessions today and then play at some point tomorrow. Whether

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<v Speaker 1>it be ten am or eight pm, we don't know yet,

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<v Speaker 1>just preparing. But yeah, it's nice to be back and free.

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<v Speaker 3>So you're rusty is different from normal people's rusty. What

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<v Speaker 3>does rusty feeling look like for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Just the racket feels weird in my hand a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like certain angles I hit aren't going where

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<v Speaker 1>I want the ball to go. But it's not as

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<v Speaker 1>bad as you know when I was younger. If I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't play for a week when I was younger, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>be hitting the ball on the floor and stuff. So

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's not awful. You're just a tad slower,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd say, tad slower on you know, finding your range.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd hit the ball, you know, four feet out rather

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<v Speaker 1>than one foot out.

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<v Speaker 3>How long does it take for you to get rusty?

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<v Speaker 1>Four or five days? You know, if I don't hit

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<v Speaker 1>a ball for forty eight hours, I'll be okay any more.

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<v Speaker 1>Any more than that, it gets a bit funner here.

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<v Speaker 3>You must now, at this stage of the career of

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<v Speaker 3>your career, hit less balls than you did ten years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, different type of balls. Obviously. When I was playing

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<v Speaker 1>singles and playing a lot, you do a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>hitting and moving and I don't know, a lot more

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<v Speaker 1>open play stuff, whereas now it's just you're drilling returns,

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<v Speaker 1>you're drilling volleys, you're drilling serve and return. And I've

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<v Speaker 1>already said return, but I need to do return twice anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>so so yeah, it's just different. I mean I still

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<v Speaker 1>hit a lot of balls in an hour, an hour

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<v Speaker 1>and twenty yesterday, first one back, and it sort of

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<v Speaker 1>flies by because you have to do all different cross courts.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you work on volleys every direction. It's just different.

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<v Speaker 1>Whereas I used to warm up for a singles match

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<v Speaker 1>in the morning, so my pretty much hit would be

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty five minutes max doubles. Yeah, I mean, because

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<v Speaker 1>you've got a partner as well and you both need

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<v Speaker 1>to return. I didn't practice returns as much when I

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<v Speaker 1>played tingles as I do now. I think that's a

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<v Speaker 1>that shows you quite a lot, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, of course, I mean so obviously this is the

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<v Speaker 3>third time recently you've played with Josh, and are you

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<v Speaker 3>always practicing with him?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, we can't. People do want to play

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<v Speaker 1>practice sets, like I'm playing one later because Josh is

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<v Speaker 1>gonna rest because he's played every week since I can't remember,

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<v Speaker 1>so he's just gonna hit me once today and then

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<v Speaker 1>I'm jumping into a practice set because there's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>singles guys plays with plays with doubles guys sometimes they

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<v Speaker 1>play with doubles guys sometimes, so there's always a gap

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<v Speaker 1>and people are looking to play points. I tend to

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<v Speaker 1>do that a lot less nowadays because I guess kind

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<v Speaker 1>of feel like we go through the motions playing a

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<v Speaker 1>practice set, which I don't think is always always healthy.

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<v Speaker 1>They're good to play sometimes, but you know some people,

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<v Speaker 1>some pairers just just get to the place. Some player

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<v Speaker 1>as many sets as they can with different pairs. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't find the tournaments I've done really well out this year,

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<v Speaker 1>there's been pretty much zero practice set.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you said on this podcast that you haven't

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<v Speaker 3>got a coach. So after your performances recently with Josh,

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<v Speaker 3>do you sit down, do you get access to any stats?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you sit down and watch videos? Is there like

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<v Speaker 3>a review process, goals, those kind of things, or is

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<v Speaker 3>it more feeling experience.

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<v Speaker 1>All the matches you can you can see and you

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<v Speaker 1>get the stats straight after the match. For myself and Josh,

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<v Speaker 1>we know what we kind of have to work on,

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<v Speaker 1>what we're going to go into the off season together

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<v Speaker 1>and then make some changes. Then I suppose there's the

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<v Speaker 1>worst thing you can do. Is the worst thing you

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<v Speaker 1>can do is try and overcomplicate things, you know, right now,

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<v Speaker 1>so we just show opening everything up and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's there's no clear we've every time we've lost, it's

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<v Speaker 1>been pretty tight. It's not you know, for one reason

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<v Speaker 1>other than you know, certain moments not being good enough.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think whereas we'll go into the offerason hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>get some time with Louis Kayer and and learn probably

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<v Speaker 1>quite a lot of technical things and you know, angle

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<v Speaker 1>things at the net and things like that. I think

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<v Speaker 1>we'll we'll make fine touches to that kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But until then we're not going to make any huge

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<v Speaker 1>changes now, I guess. I guess it's similar in football,

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<v Speaker 1>right like once once the Premier League starts or you're

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of the season, you might make slight adaptations,

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<v Speaker 1>but you're not gonna I don't know, you don't really

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<v Speaker 1>see massive formation changes when you've got quite a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of matches coming no coming on. I'd say it's the

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<v Speaker 1>same one, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, and especially like this this time of year with football.

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<v Speaker 3>Speaking to a guy who was in the Premier League

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<v Speaker 3>recently and he told me that over a three week

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<v Speaker 3>period between November and December, the whole team were actually

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<v Speaker 3>only on the training pitch for two hours, and that's

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<v Speaker 3>not the usual oil football has only done train the

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<v Speaker 3>hard and all of this, he said. By the time

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<v Speaker 3>you're flying back from places being patched up, some are

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<v Speaker 3>in the physio room, some are doing tactical stuff. Some

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<v Speaker 3>of the you know, the goalkeepers are separate. He said.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually you're not together too often. And you know the

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<v Speaker 3>club I follow Palace, we're currently you know in this

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<v Speaker 3>Europa Conference, League Cup, Premier League. Is that I doubt

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<v Speaker 3>the squad are together too often to go through anything

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<v Speaker 3>too detailed. You said there about Louis Kaye. Now, for

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<v Speaker 3>people who who don't know, Louis is the kind of

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<v Speaker 3>like the double supremo in world tennis, and he's worked

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<v Speaker 3>forum with the LTA for a number of years and

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<v Speaker 3>there's no coincidences there. I mean the ATP finals, well, Patton,

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<v Speaker 3>Joe Salisbury, Neil Scupsky, Juli and Cash Lloyd Glass Bowl.

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<v Speaker 3>I probably missed one, but that there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>British players at the top of the doubles game.

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<v Speaker 1>Is yah, there's I mean, I'm I'm down to definitely.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean everywhere he's been, he's he's succeeded certainly singles

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<v Speaker 1>earlier in his career, but then doubles. He's coming to

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<v Speaker 1>Britain and you know back that it was Ken Skupsky,

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<v Speaker 1>Colin Fleming, Ross Hutchins. They all got to you know,

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<v Speaker 1>top fifty easily in the world. And now, as you say,

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<v Speaker 1>we got five in the top ten, which is which

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<v Speaker 1>is pretty what. I'm eighty two and I'm number seven

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<v Speaker 1>in Britain now, which is is quite rare if you

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<v Speaker 1>look at the other countries, if you're eighty to number seven.

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<v Speaker 1>So so yeah, No, he's very very good. He's very

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<v Speaker 1>very tech. He's very he knows his angles, he knows

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<v Speaker 1>his stuff. It's quite you know, being on court with him,

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<v Speaker 1>and but my little pea brain, he's giving you a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of information and my little pre brain wants to

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<v Speaker 1>work on two or three one or two or three

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<v Speaker 1>things max at the same time. But you know, he

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<v Speaker 1>tells you something, you do it.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's not I've been in Louis very demanding, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>yeah he is.

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<v Speaker 1>He is. But but I guess he's demanding because he's

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<v Speaker 1>the best. I suppose.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean I found it like a bit of

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<v Speaker 3>an intimidating atmosphere.

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<v Speaker 1>I reckon, I don't know. I've not been there as

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<v Speaker 1>a coach. I've only been there as a player. He

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<v Speaker 1>was scary when I was younger. Yeah, you know how

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<v Speaker 1>much he knows about tennis. And you know I played

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<v Speaker 1>doubles and singles at the same time. He watched one

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<v Speaker 1>of my matches at a challenger and I'm thinking, God,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know anything. This guy's going to shred me.

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<v Speaker 1>But he didn't. He's a very matter of fact, but

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that's the you know, he's French

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<v Speaker 1>Canadian as well. I don't if that's you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>language barrier. He's very direct, but I've never had a

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<v Speaker 1>problem with him. I respect him a lot. Yeah, huge

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<v Speaker 1>resign and he says something I listen, it's just trying

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<v Speaker 1>to implement that. It's trying to implement that. I remember

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<v Speaker 1>the end of last year he was trying to get

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<v Speaker 1>more risk when I'm at the back and set my

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<v Speaker 1>partner up at the net. He says, like, you can

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<v Speaker 1>keep the ball in court, you're very consistent, blah blah blah,

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<v Speaker 1>but you need to be slamming the ball at the

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<v Speaker 1>baseline so that your partner gets the next ball. So

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<v Speaker 1>I worked on that for a while and it's great.

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<v Speaker 1>But remember I had twenty five different partners, so that's

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<v Speaker 1>not it's not that applicable. And now I'm on the ad,

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<v Speaker 1>so you know, that's That's a good thing about playing

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<v Speaker 1>with Josh. You can have a look at some things

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<v Speaker 1>and I can actually stick to a side and play

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<v Speaker 1>with the same guy for more than three or four

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<v Speaker 1>tournaments a year.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean that there's no easy drawers, right to use

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<v Speaker 3>the gliche, there's deaf, no easy drawers. And you and

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<v Speaker 3>Josh in the first round have got two players ranked

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<v Speaker 3>one two five and one three two in the world.

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<v Speaker 3>And then you look beyond that and every player is

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<v Speaker 3>around that level. A couple of you know, all Italian

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<v Speaker 3>wild cards have got in there. Of course, what do

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<v Speaker 3>we know about your opponents and what kind of what

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<v Speaker 1>Don Ski's just a bit of a monster. He's got

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<v Speaker 1>a huge, huge surf, takes big cuts of returns and

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<v Speaker 1>he's big. Milk kanov is you know, he's been fifty

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<v Speaker 1>in the world milk Kanoff for a number of years.

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<v Speaker 1>He's dropped a bit recently, but you know he may

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<v Speaker 1>Courts or Semis of Australia a couple of years back,

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<v Speaker 1>very experienced player. I don't know. I don't know exactly

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<v Speaker 1>how we're gonna, you know, go about handling him. He's

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<v Speaker 1>he's not as much a big hitter. He's quite crafty

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<v Speaker 1>as fourhand. He can hit angles, he can lob you,

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<v Speaker 1>he can you know, he'll stand back and find gaps.

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<v Speaker 1>So we've got to be I guess, more careful with

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<v Speaker 1>him than than Donsky. Donsky could just turn up and

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<v Speaker 1>hit forty eight winners or you know, miss quite a

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<v Speaker 1>lot from the back. So I guess for me and Josh,

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<v Speaker 1>if we serve, if we serve well out our spot,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't really matter who we're playing. We're going to

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<v Speaker 1>serve well and keep the percentage high, and then on

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<v Speaker 1>Donsky service just a case of I don't know, trying

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<v Speaker 1>to trying to pick a side or make them play

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<v Speaker 1>as mini balls possible. Well kind of, yeah, there should

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<v Speaker 1>be a game or two where we might get some

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<v Speaker 1>looks on some seconds and getting rallies. But he doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>exactly miss, so you know it's gonna be a difficult match.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, as I said, I've not played in a while,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's a it's a case if we either you know,

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<v Speaker 1>go to the other guy and don't know where he's

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<v Speaker 1>going to hit the ball that's in that's in the

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<v Speaker 1>rally formation. But you know, quite a lot of these

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<v Speaker 1>matches are served dominated, so it's going to come down

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<v Speaker 1>to a couple of points, and yeah, that's what it's

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<v Speaker 1>tend to be in recently. So I just got to

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<v Speaker 1>try and yeah, stay injury free and and go out

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<v Speaker 1>there and enjoy it, I suppose. But we will, we

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<v Speaker 1>will have a look at the serving spots where they

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<v Speaker 1>like to serve at certain points. But you know, Donsky

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<v Speaker 1>cancer of anyways call it singles as well, so we'll see.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I was going to say, although they are double specialists,

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<v Speaker 3>aren't they. They are over the last kind of decade anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>So let's talk about somebody who's going to be leaving

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<v Speaker 3>the tour. Christopher Eubanks has announced his retirement. I love

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<v Speaker 3>this guy. I mean that that little run to the

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<v Speaker 3>quarters of Wimbledon a few years ago that was. That

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<v Speaker 3>was just great fun like roll in back the years.

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<v Speaker 3>But whenever he talks and I hear him on different

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<v Speaker 3>podcasts and stuff like that, I could listen to him

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<v Speaker 3>all day.

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<v Speaker 1>He's brilliant, lovely guy as well. I haven't looked into

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<v Speaker 1>I saw the news yesterday. I was quite surprised. I

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<v Speaker 1>enjoyed watching him play and I don't know his ranking

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that. I don't know the reasons behind

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<v Speaker 1>it that. He's probably got other opportunities. He's very good

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<v Speaker 1>at what he does off court.

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<v Speaker 2>Hard.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard the tour, isn't it. I mean, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if especially if you're not getting results for a

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<v Speaker 1>period of time.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, he's been out there. He made his debut

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<v Speaker 3>in twenty fifteen, so he said ten years of traveling.

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<v Speaker 3>He's twenty nine, right, so he's still quite young. But

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<v Speaker 3>you know, possibly as a media career, isn't it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, a couple of really nice little runs.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it was in Miami he got to the

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<v Speaker 3>Call to Finals. He won that weird grasscool tournament in

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<v Speaker 3>Mi Yorka. Oh yeah, the kind of the outlier. But

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I just think he's great. What's it what's

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<v Speaker 3>he like around the tour? What's his uh? You know

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<v Speaker 3>is he is?

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<v Speaker 1>He is?

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<v Speaker 3>He as engaging and popular.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, I've seen him, seen him around. He's

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<v Speaker 1>always quite chatty, quite quite nice. Yeah, always been really

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<v Speaker 1>kind to me always. I don't ye, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>anyone doesn't like him, to be honest, it's not he's

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<v Speaker 1>not he's not a bad blow because he's he's a

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<v Speaker 1>really nice guy. But like anyone when they play tennis,

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<v Speaker 1>they keep himself to themselves, in their own when they're training,

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<v Speaker 1>when they're going through it. You know, he's he was

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<v Speaker 1>pretty professional. But the way he went about his business,

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<v Speaker 1>his game style, but love to talk tennis of court,

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<v Speaker 1>like love to talk tennis. You could see his eyes

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<v Speaker 1>light up when he speaking tennis and players and things

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<v Speaker 1>like that. So, you know, I think what he's now

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<v Speaker 1>as his calling isn't it really just yeah, good good

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<v Speaker 1>to be around, good energy, Just good.

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<v Speaker 3>Energy and a bit of a throwback like what we

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<v Speaker 3>always say. It's just a nice bit of variety to

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<v Speaker 3>see somebody attacking the net and following in and be

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<v Speaker 3>almost like a modern day grass called specialist in so

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<v Speaker 3>many ways, it's just yeah, it's good variety for the tour,

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<v Speaker 3>isn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>I really enjoyed watching him playing. I love watching guys

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<v Speaker 1>like that play because it's something a bit different and

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<v Speaker 1>you get different matchups. And I remember that woman and

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<v Speaker 1>I think he lost to member Devin Ford and in

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<v Speaker 1>the end, but did he eat sits and pass? He

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<v Speaker 1>had some big wins. It was awesome because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of followed his journey. I remember he pre

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<v Speaker 1>qualified for Winston Salem two fifty I think maybe the

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<v Speaker 1>same year I had my wimbed and run and he

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<v Speaker 1>was like hashtag Marcus Willis from pre Qualities and stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like that, and I remember he kind of first came

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<v Speaker 1>on to the tour because I got tagged. I got

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<v Speaker 1>tagged in it and I didn't know who he was,

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<v Speaker 1>but he obviously pre qualified for Winston Salem and won

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<v Speaker 1>a few matches and whatever. And from there I followed

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<v Speaker 1>his career and he, yeah, he was had a beast

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<v Speaker 1>of us, a huge fourhand chipped it about came in. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was good to watch. It was good to watch.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Dan Evans is the other guy when he's playing.

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<v Speaker 1>I watch all of his matches because he's he's just

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<v Speaker 1>at the net. He's like vollowing, like Hemmon back in

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<v Speaker 1>the day. It's just it's really good to see and

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<v Speaker 1>it's so hard to do in these conditions as well.

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<v Speaker 3>It certainly is well look mate, best of luck with

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<v Speaker 3>everything and let's catch up later in a week for

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<v Speaker 3>another pod. Mh