WEBVTT 1 00:00:16.760 --> 00:00:20.199 Hello, and welcome to the show. This is the Cult 2 00:00:20.359 --> 00:00:24.839 of Conspiracy, and my name's Jonathan, I'm Jacob and today 3 00:00:24.920 --> 00:00:27.839 we have a very special guest, somebody who I've been 4 00:00:27.879 --> 00:00:30.760 looking forward to for a very long time. Welcome to 5 00:00:30.800 --> 00:00:32.679 the show, Karen Wilkinson. 6 00:00:33.840 --> 00:00:36.479 Thank you guys, Thanks so much for having me Jonathan 7 00:00:36.479 --> 00:00:39.119 and Jacob. I'm so grateful to be here with you 8 00:00:39.200 --> 00:00:42.359 guys today. We've already had a great conversation, looking forward 9 00:00:42.399 --> 00:00:43.159 to the rest of it. 10 00:00:44.000 --> 00:00:49.119 Absolutely, yes, yes, And so you are kind of just 11 00:00:49.200 --> 00:00:53.359 becoming a very well known especially within the conspiracy crowd, 12 00:00:54.280 --> 00:00:58.600 because you know, as far as conspiracies go, there's a 13 00:00:58.600 --> 00:01:02.039 lot of connectedness. It connects two conspiracies, whether it be 14 00:01:02.200 --> 00:01:06.640 UFO or religion or government or I mean really it's 15 00:01:06.799 --> 00:01:09.239 it's kind of a big old catch all net. And 16 00:01:09.519 --> 00:01:12.640 so you talking about aliens and how they could be 17 00:01:12.640 --> 00:01:15.400 connected to demons, that's right up our alley, baby. So 18 00:01:16.959 --> 00:01:19.560 if you would, I mean, maybe tell a little bit 19 00:01:19.599 --> 00:01:20.359 about your books. 20 00:01:20.359 --> 00:01:22.640 I know you did. You wrote two books, right. 21 00:01:23.359 --> 00:01:26.079 Just one, just one right now, working on the. 22 00:01:26.000 --> 00:01:28.560 Second, working on the second. Maybe that's why I got 23 00:01:28.599 --> 00:01:31.359 it confused. Maybe it was like a little telekinetic thing 24 00:01:31.359 --> 00:01:32.200 that I was picking up on. 25 00:01:32.239 --> 00:01:32.879 Who knows, but. 26 00:01:35.200 --> 00:01:37.719 If you would, can you can you tell us a 27 00:01:37.760 --> 00:01:40.920 little bit about yourself and about you know, your experiences 28 00:01:41.000 --> 00:01:42.680 whatever led you to write this book. 29 00:01:43.400 --> 00:01:45.840 Sure. Yeah. The name of the book is Stolen Seed, 30 00:01:45.879 --> 00:01:51.280 Evil Harvest, and it is published through Ellie Marzuoli's publishing company, 31 00:01:51.319 --> 00:01:55.640 Spiral of Life. Right now, it's available exclusively at Elliemarzuli 32 00:01:55.719 --> 00:01:58.599 dot net, So you can't go looking forward on Amazon 33 00:01:58.680 --> 00:02:06.120 right now. It's just through his publishing company. And the 34 00:02:06.159 --> 00:02:11.000 inspiration to write the book really came from I had 35 00:02:11.120 --> 00:02:13.520 a near death experience, which I write about in the 36 00:02:13.520 --> 00:02:17.000 book and ended up doing a lot of PTSD therapy 37 00:02:17.039 --> 00:02:21.960 after that, which allowed me to deal with this lifetime 38 00:02:22.240 --> 00:02:25.479 of memories and all of this that had happened to me. 39 00:02:25.599 --> 00:02:29.360 I never had any hypnosis or regression or anything like that. 40 00:02:29.400 --> 00:02:31.599 These are just memories that I've always had. So this 41 00:02:31.680 --> 00:02:34.280 is just something that's happened to me throughout my lifetime. 42 00:02:34.719 --> 00:02:38.599 I have a lifetime of abduction experiences by non human 43 00:02:39.120 --> 00:02:43.000 what people call alien entities, and once I was able 44 00:02:43.000 --> 00:02:46.000 to start dealing with them, I really felt led to 45 00:02:46.039 --> 00:02:50.520 reach out to La Marzuli. Not had really didn't know 46 00:02:50.639 --> 00:02:53.439 much about him at the time, and we were put 47 00:02:53.439 --> 00:02:57.080 in contact that we did an interview. It became the 48 00:02:57.759 --> 00:03:00.520 centerpoint for his fourth movie in his UFOs series on 49 00:03:00.560 --> 00:03:05.800 the abduction phenomenon, and once that was completed, people started 50 00:03:05.800 --> 00:03:11.400 wanting to talk about it, and I realized that they're 51 00:03:11.479 --> 00:03:13.759 having someone to talk about these things, who you had 52 00:03:13.800 --> 00:03:17.560 this in common with was really important to people. And 53 00:03:17.639 --> 00:03:20.360 it was important to me because I suddenly had people 54 00:03:20.360 --> 00:03:22.800 that I could share with and it was so amazing 55 00:03:23.639 --> 00:03:26.039 and helpful to me, and I was just it was 56 00:03:26.159 --> 00:03:28.879 such a blessing to have, you know, finally to have 57 00:03:28.919 --> 00:03:33.120 conversations so absolute. Yeah, it just you. 58 00:03:33.000 --> 00:03:35.680 Know, I people who go a lot of traumatic things 59 00:03:35.719 --> 00:03:38.840 to find networks and people who have gone through similar 60 00:03:38.840 --> 00:03:41.599 things they could find support, they could find because I mean, 61 00:03:41.599 --> 00:03:45.520 that's a very ostracizing feeling, and it's terrifying to feel 62 00:03:45.520 --> 00:03:47.719 like you're the only one doing this because you're halfway 63 00:03:47.719 --> 00:03:50.400 thinking if you're crazy or not right, how can you 64 00:03:50.439 --> 00:03:51.719 go a bit like yeah, by the way, I've been 65 00:03:51.719 --> 00:03:55.199 abducted by aliens multiple times my entire life. You know 66 00:03:55.240 --> 00:03:57.439 that people are going to write you off as a 67 00:03:57.599 --> 00:04:00.400 psycho immediately, But if you find people who are who 68 00:04:00.400 --> 00:04:04.000 aren't like internet clout chasers, who like genuinely have real 69 00:04:04.240 --> 00:04:07.719 trauma and real deep seated issues based off of these experiences. 70 00:04:08.360 --> 00:04:12.319 It's kind of like, and per my faith Christian, it's 71 00:04:12.319 --> 00:04:14.960 like sharing your testimony with somebody who is suffering or 72 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:17.600 dealing with similar stuff. There's power in that, and there's 73 00:04:17.639 --> 00:04:20.879 empowerment in that as well, especially for something in this regard. 74 00:04:21.439 --> 00:04:24.600 Oh absolutely, yeah, you said that so well, that is true. 75 00:04:24.600 --> 00:04:26.920 And I call it my testimony because that's what it is. 76 00:04:27.000 --> 00:04:30.240 Because it's been a lifetime of something that I was 77 00:04:30.360 --> 00:04:34.319 so difficult and so ugly, but then really allowed me 78 00:04:34.360 --> 00:04:36.879 to do something good with it. And yeah, it wasn't 79 00:04:36.879 --> 00:04:38.639 out there. You know, I had nothing to gain by 80 00:04:38.639 --> 00:04:41.759 sharing my story, you know, nothing to gain by talking 81 00:04:41.800 --> 00:04:44.519 about what happened to me. I spent my whole life 82 00:04:44.519 --> 00:04:47.639 being told by them that I cannot talk about this, 83 00:04:48.160 --> 00:04:53.639 and then being ostracized by the public perception, so I 84 00:04:53.720 --> 00:04:56.639 never spoke about it. You know, the powers that be, 85 00:04:56.839 --> 00:04:58.839 the governments and the agencies and all the other people 86 00:04:58.879 --> 00:05:01.240 who are in charge of what we think and what's 87 00:05:01.279 --> 00:05:05.639 put out to us have created this environment where, like 88 00:05:05.680 --> 00:05:10.600 you said, you're considered crazy or delusional or what have you. 89 00:05:10.639 --> 00:05:12.519 But I'm like, but these things happened to me my 90 00:05:12.560 --> 00:05:15.000 whole life. These are real things. You know. This isn't 91 00:05:15.040 --> 00:05:19.160 just something made up. I mean a physical proof, and 92 00:05:19.199 --> 00:05:22.480 so it just, yeah, it became something. There's so much 93 00:05:22.560 --> 00:05:26.519 more to it that I felt like if I could 94 00:05:26.519 --> 00:05:29.120 write it down and share it, maybe I could help 95 00:05:29.399 --> 00:05:32.519 get in touch with more people. And so I wrote it, 96 00:05:32.639 --> 00:05:36.480 and Ela loved it and agreed to publish it and 97 00:05:36.519 --> 00:05:39.199 took a chance on me. You know, I was writing 98 00:05:39.199 --> 00:05:42.879 for his newsletter at the time, so getting to know 99 00:05:42.959 --> 00:05:46.079 him better, and so I do write for his newsletter 100 00:05:46.120 --> 00:05:52.160 monthly now, which is amazing. But that just opened doors 101 00:05:52.160 --> 00:05:54.639 for me to just be able to reach out to 102 00:05:54.680 --> 00:05:57.199 more people and reach more people and talk to more people, 103 00:05:57.639 --> 00:06:01.959 because I want to create an environment where it's okay 104 00:06:02.000 --> 00:06:05.000 to talk about these things. And you know, as this 105 00:06:05.079 --> 00:06:08.759 started happening, then you get we had all this government 106 00:06:08.759 --> 00:06:11.600 stuff start coming up over the last six years, between 107 00:06:11.680 --> 00:06:15.439 the twenty seventeen New York Times article and all these 108 00:06:15.439 --> 00:06:18.360 other admissions and whistleblowers and things coming out. So the 109 00:06:18.399 --> 00:06:21.879 timing was really crazy because it just all kind of 110 00:06:21.879 --> 00:06:24.680 coalesced at the same time we were doing this project, 111 00:06:26.279 --> 00:06:28.399 And yeah, I just want to make it okay for 112 00:06:28.560 --> 00:06:31.600 people to have these conversations and not feel crazy, because 113 00:06:31.600 --> 00:06:37.040 this stuff affects people's lives in really incredible ways and 114 00:06:37.079 --> 00:06:40.360 it's devastating. Some people, you know, just never are able 115 00:06:40.399 --> 00:06:43.399 to get past it. And I was really blessed that 116 00:06:43.439 --> 00:06:46.160 I was able to have that PTSD therapy so that 117 00:06:46.199 --> 00:06:50.240 I could learn how to function better with it. That 118 00:06:50.319 --> 00:06:51.079 was a huge part. 119 00:06:52.079 --> 00:06:54.480 Yeah, that is amazing that you were able to come 120 00:06:54.519 --> 00:06:57.279 out on the other side of that, not exactly unscathed, 121 00:06:57.319 --> 00:06:59.759 but at least, you know, healthy enough in the mind 122 00:06:59.759 --> 00:07:01.519 to be able to talk about it and not have 123 00:07:01.600 --> 00:07:05.480 to worry about, you know, somebody chasing you down. I 124 00:07:05.879 --> 00:07:08.199 want to get to a couple of the minor details 125 00:07:08.199 --> 00:07:12.519 that you brought up here, because that really strikes your fancy. So, 126 00:07:12.720 --> 00:07:15.720 first of all, you have a near death experience, and 127 00:07:16.199 --> 00:07:19.519 I love that I finally get to speak somebody who 128 00:07:19.560 --> 00:07:23.120 has had one. And it's funny because I actually just 129 00:07:23.240 --> 00:07:26.000 restarted watching this this Netflix show called The OA. 130 00:07:26.160 --> 00:07:26.879 Have you ever seen that? 131 00:07:28.000 --> 00:07:28.879 Yeah? 132 00:07:29.000 --> 00:07:31.720 Oh my god, so good. But anyway, it's all about 133 00:07:31.720 --> 00:07:33.519 near death experiences and stuff like that. 134 00:07:33.959 --> 00:07:34.399 And uh. 135 00:07:34.519 --> 00:07:37.360 Also, I'm I'm a past life aggressionist, so I do 136 00:07:37.639 --> 00:07:41.360 I do hypnotherapy to go past lives and and and 137 00:07:41.439 --> 00:07:43.759 stuff like that. Doesn't necessarily have to be past lives, 138 00:07:43.800 --> 00:07:47.240 but it's hypnotherapy, right, And I would love to hear 139 00:07:47.279 --> 00:07:50.839 a little bit more about maybe what did you experience 140 00:07:51.480 --> 00:07:53.800 as a result of your NDE. Did you see something 141 00:07:53.839 --> 00:07:56.360 on the other side, like what was after the did 142 00:07:56.399 --> 00:07:58.439 it did it all go dark? Is there another world? 143 00:07:58.639 --> 00:07:59.959 I mean, what was your experience with that? 144 00:08:00.800 --> 00:08:03.000 Right? Did you have a question too, Jacob Before I 145 00:08:03.160 --> 00:08:04.199 start talking about. 146 00:08:03.959 --> 00:08:05.600 That, it was. It was kind of the two parter. 147 00:08:05.680 --> 00:08:08.240 But I also really want you to answer Johnson's question too. 148 00:08:08.240 --> 00:08:09.920 That's I was like, come on, I really want to 149 00:08:09.959 --> 00:08:11.560 hear this one. But I was going to ask if 150 00:08:11.600 --> 00:08:12.879 you and you talk about it in your book. I 151 00:08:12.920 --> 00:08:14.839 was gonna say, if you could kind of go into 152 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:17.160 a little bit of detail about what led to your 153 00:08:17.240 --> 00:08:19.920 near death experience. If you can't, I understand a lot 154 00:08:19.920 --> 00:08:20.759 of traumatic things. 155 00:08:21.879 --> 00:08:24.120 No, it's good because I think it is important in 156 00:08:24.160 --> 00:08:27.040 it and it kind of ties into everything else because 157 00:08:27.040 --> 00:08:31.360 of a strange way that it happened. I was going 158 00:08:31.399 --> 00:08:35.440 in for a surgery another back surgery. I've had eight 159 00:08:35.480 --> 00:08:38.960 of those in the last eight years, probably major ones. 160 00:08:40.159 --> 00:08:42.240 All kinds of crazy stuff goes on with my body. 161 00:08:42.279 --> 00:08:46.440 They just can't explain. And you know, I could explain it, 162 00:08:46.480 --> 00:08:50.279 but they wouldn't believe me, probably right. But anyway, So 163 00:08:50.720 --> 00:08:54.440 this was the third, I think, surgery with this particular surgeon. 164 00:08:55.080 --> 00:08:57.960 They took me into the operating room and I had 165 00:08:58.000 --> 00:08:59.919 IV ports in but I wasn't hooked up to any 166 00:09:00.000 --> 00:09:03.759 machines or anything yet, and he wasn't quite ready, which 167 00:09:03.799 --> 00:09:06.639 is unusual to go in to the operating room before 168 00:09:06.679 --> 00:09:09.759 the doctor is ready, but he wasn't in the room yet. 169 00:09:09.759 --> 00:09:12.360 It was just they took me in and there were 170 00:09:12.399 --> 00:09:18.879 two nurses in the room and an anesthesiologist or nurse anesthesist. 171 00:09:18.960 --> 00:09:21.399 I don't know what it was, what her title was, 172 00:09:21.440 --> 00:09:24.240 but it was a woman with short, dark hair and 173 00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:27.039 a white lab coat. Came in and leaned over me. 174 00:09:27.159 --> 00:09:30.720 She had a pocket full of syringes and took one out, 175 00:09:30.799 --> 00:09:33.559 and I assumed it was a sedative. She pushed it 176 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:36.080 in my IV port and turned and walked away. Didn't 177 00:09:36.120 --> 00:09:38.360 ask if I was okay, how that felt, nothing, just 178 00:09:38.519 --> 00:09:39.960 turned and walked away really quickly. 179 00:09:40.360 --> 00:09:40.960 That's scary. 180 00:09:41.440 --> 00:09:43.000 Yeah, And it was the last time I ever saw 181 00:09:43.000 --> 00:09:43.799 this woman too. 182 00:09:45.840 --> 00:09:48.159 Her name was I have now entered the realm of 183 00:09:48.279 --> 00:09:49.759 absolutely what the hell. 184 00:09:49.759 --> 00:09:54.559 Just happened exactly, and instantly my body started to feel 185 00:09:54.600 --> 00:09:58.600 like cement. I couldn't breathe, I couldn't move, I couldn't 186 00:09:58.639 --> 00:10:03.679 gesture for help. And for me, having had this lifetime 187 00:10:03.720 --> 00:10:09.279 of abduction experiences, it was terrifying because I was immobilized 188 00:10:09.320 --> 00:10:13.000 so many times before, but this time I couldn't breathe, 189 00:10:13.039 --> 00:10:21.840 I couldn't do anything, and I lay there dying. I 190 00:10:21.960 --> 00:10:25.799 just I remember thinking God helped me, and I heard 191 00:10:25.840 --> 00:10:28.120 an audible voice in my head that said, it's okay, 192 00:10:28.200 --> 00:10:30.360 you can let go now. And it didn't sound like 193 00:10:30.399 --> 00:10:32.639 my voice. You know sometimes when you're kind of having 194 00:10:32.639 --> 00:10:34.840 a conversation with God, it kind of sounds like you're own, 195 00:10:35.399 --> 00:10:38.320 you know. There's really no description for that voice. This 196 00:10:38.480 --> 00:10:43.519 voice had an audible sound, and it was just the 197 00:10:43.559 --> 00:10:47.080 most pure voice. It was like crystal clear water. It 198 00:10:47.159 --> 00:10:51.399 was so hard to describe. And instantly I was out 199 00:10:51.440 --> 00:10:54.320 of my body, but I was very close to my 200 00:10:54.399 --> 00:10:58.360 body and I just instinctively, instinctively knew to stay close 201 00:10:59.360 --> 00:11:01.960 and I could see everything happening in the room and 202 00:11:02.000 --> 00:11:06.080 in the adjoining rooms too. I could see without eyes. Here, 203 00:11:06.200 --> 00:11:08.600 without ears, I could see what was going on through 204 00:11:08.639 --> 00:11:12.279 the walls. I didn't nothing obstructed my vision. I could 205 00:11:12.279 --> 00:11:14.080 see the walls, but I also could see through them, 206 00:11:14.200 --> 00:11:16.480 which I know it doesn't make sense, but I'm was 207 00:11:16.519 --> 00:11:17.919 not in a physical body. 208 00:11:18.279 --> 00:11:18.679 Let's go. 209 00:11:19.320 --> 00:11:22.360 One of the things that struck me so interesting was 210 00:11:22.399 --> 00:11:25.600 that I was still me. I still had my personality, 211 00:11:26.600 --> 00:11:29.399 and I don't know why, but I was just like, 212 00:11:30.080 --> 00:11:33.200 I'm still me. God, I'm still me. I'm just like. 213 00:11:33.679 --> 00:11:36.320 And all I felt was peace and love, the most 214 00:11:36.919 --> 00:11:42.080 unbelievable incredible peace and love, no fear. I wasn't worried 215 00:11:42.120 --> 00:11:46.320 about anyone or anything. I just felt this all encompassing, 216 00:11:46.720 --> 00:11:49.759 like being wrapped in a warm blanket. Just peace, love, 217 00:11:50.519 --> 00:11:53.000 just beyond comprehension. 218 00:11:56.039 --> 00:11:59.279 Random medical staff looking person. We don't even know this 219 00:11:59.320 --> 00:12:00.679 bitch had a name, be. 220 00:12:00.639 --> 00:12:02.879 Honest, I don't even remember she had a name. 221 00:12:02.840 --> 00:12:07.039 Tag on right inject's random syringe, one of twenty that 222 00:12:07.080 --> 00:12:09.480 she happens to have in her lab coat pocket. Doesn't 223 00:12:09.519 --> 00:12:13.279 say a word and just dips. You immediately feel your 224 00:12:13.399 --> 00:12:15.720 entire body start to slowly shut down, and then you 225 00:12:15.720 --> 00:12:19.120 have a literal outer out of body experience where you 226 00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:24.679 sounds like possibly might have met not necessarily the Creator, 227 00:12:25.000 --> 00:12:26.600 but at least went to the other side. 228 00:12:26.879 --> 00:12:28.799 Yeah. I felt like it was the voice of my creator. 229 00:12:28.840 --> 00:12:31.320 I really did. It's like I knew that voice and 230 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:34.360 immediately he said you can let go now, like he 231 00:12:34.440 --> 00:12:37.639 released me from this physical body. It was just it 232 00:12:37.679 --> 00:12:40.320 was just all understood. I had no questions, you know 233 00:12:40.320 --> 00:12:40.679 what I mean. 234 00:12:40.919 --> 00:12:42.679 They didn't like to see God. You didn't like come 235 00:12:42.720 --> 00:12:44.679 face to face with their creator. But you did hear 236 00:12:44.720 --> 00:12:45.200 the voice. 237 00:12:45.320 --> 00:12:47.159 But I heard the voice and I knew I was 238 00:12:47.200 --> 00:12:49.879 with in his presence that because the love and the 239 00:12:49.960 --> 00:12:54.080 peace was just undeniable. I mean it was I had 240 00:12:54.159 --> 00:12:57.480 no I just knew, you know. I didn't have to 241 00:12:57.519 --> 00:13:00.440 be told. I just knew, you know. Everything was just 242 00:13:00.679 --> 00:13:03.159 given to me. It was like an instant download in 243 00:13:03.159 --> 00:13:06.840 that second. And there was no time passing. Although I 244 00:13:06.919 --> 00:13:09.559 knew time was passing, I didn't feel any time passed. 245 00:13:11.039 --> 00:13:13.320 I could hear what everyone was saying and see what 246 00:13:13.320 --> 00:13:15.840 they were doing. And then you know, the nurses were 247 00:13:15.840 --> 00:13:20.120 putting around with tables and things like that, and one 248 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:22.759 of them, looks over my way and she's like and 249 00:13:22.799 --> 00:13:24.480 I could see the look on her face, and she 250 00:13:24.480 --> 00:13:26.519 looks at the other nurse and she's like hey, and 251 00:13:26.600 --> 00:13:28.919 she comes up. Is she had an allergic reaction to something? 252 00:13:29.519 --> 00:13:31.679 And she comes running over and looks at me, and 253 00:13:31.679 --> 00:13:34.360 the other one's like, oh my god, she's not breathing 254 00:13:34.399 --> 00:13:38.200 and starts to panic. So the nurse that's not panicking 255 00:13:38.279 --> 00:13:41.440 runs in the other room, grabs the doctor says, hey, 256 00:13:41.480 --> 00:13:44.879 something's wrong, she's not breathing. He comes running in yelling 257 00:13:44.919 --> 00:13:48.840 bagger bagger, and they put that bag thing and start 258 00:13:48.919 --> 00:13:51.600 you know, trying to get air, and nothing happens, and 259 00:13:52.039 --> 00:13:54.320 more people start coming in the room and alarms are 260 00:13:54.360 --> 00:13:57.159 you know, they're pushing buttons and things, and now I'm 261 00:13:57.200 --> 00:14:00.720 not hooked up to anything, so no one knew, you know, 262 00:14:00.759 --> 00:14:04.919 what my bibles were anything. They start hooking me up 263 00:14:04.960 --> 00:14:08.399 to things and wires going everywhere and pieces everywhere, and 264 00:14:10.519 --> 00:14:13.039 I'm just, you know, watching all this happen, listening to him, 265 00:14:13.080 --> 00:14:14.240 watching what they're doing. 266 00:14:14.000 --> 00:14:16.759 And so that was my next question. You were present, 267 00:14:16.879 --> 00:14:19.799 quote unquote ish you heard these things happen. You heard 268 00:14:19.799 --> 00:14:21.960 the doctor come in and say, bag her, bag her 269 00:14:21.960 --> 00:14:26.399 and like, so you were at least partially still present 270 00:14:26.480 --> 00:14:27.159 in this realm. 271 00:14:27.679 --> 00:14:29.840 I was, yeah. I mean I was out of the body, 272 00:14:29.840 --> 00:14:31.320 but I was, Yeah. I could see what was happening 273 00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:32.799 in the other rooms, you know what I mean, and 274 00:14:33.000 --> 00:14:34.799 hear what was happening in the other rooms, but I 275 00:14:34.960 --> 00:14:38.879 was not, you know, inn been. And afterwards, when I 276 00:14:38.919 --> 00:14:43.519 recounted those things to the doctor and my daughter in 277 00:14:43.600 --> 00:14:45.480 law was with me when I was doing that, He's like, 278 00:14:45.600 --> 00:14:48.799 there's no way you could have known that, you know, 279 00:14:49.039 --> 00:14:53.200 because there's no direct connection for those two rooms for 280 00:14:53.320 --> 00:14:56.240 me to have known what happened between the rooms. 281 00:14:56.000 --> 00:14:58.279 And things like that, Then how do I know it? 282 00:14:58.399 --> 00:14:58.559 Right? 283 00:14:58.679 --> 00:15:01.200 Like it's like, I, yeah, how. 284 00:15:01.080 --> 00:15:05.399 Do I know? That? He was blown away? And after Yeah, 285 00:15:05.639 --> 00:15:09.639 I think that that changed him and changed something about him. 286 00:15:09.679 --> 00:15:12.080 I you know, I have some theories on that that 287 00:15:12.120 --> 00:15:16.039 I won't get into here because I don't know. I 288 00:15:16.120 --> 00:15:18.159 just think he might have been involved in some of that, 289 00:15:18.320 --> 00:15:22.000 and afterwards, I think his understanding of the of the 290 00:15:22.039 --> 00:15:26.000 supernatural and God and hereafter probably changed quite a bit. 291 00:15:27.000 --> 00:15:30.000 And I need to say he's no longer my doctor. 292 00:15:30.120 --> 00:15:34.200 But that's fair. So all right, this was your first 293 00:15:34.360 --> 00:15:37.000 This was a near death experience. But you say you 294 00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:40.600 had abduction history prior to this was you said, what 295 00:15:40.879 --> 00:15:42.000 nine years ago? Eight years ago? 296 00:15:42.080 --> 00:15:43.000 This was about eight years ago. 297 00:15:43.120 --> 00:15:45.080 Yeah, so eight years ago you have your near death 298 00:15:45.120 --> 00:15:48.840 experience and you had your I don't want to say revelation, 299 00:15:49.080 --> 00:15:53.279 but basically you got whatever kind of confirmation was ever questioned. 300 00:15:53.600 --> 00:15:55.759 You now know that there is another side. It is 301 00:15:55.759 --> 00:15:58.000 the good place of all good and all love. At 302 00:15:58.080 --> 00:15:59.879 least that was the place that you were destined to go. 303 00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:04.879 All these things wonderful. However, I feel like I need 304 00:16:04.879 --> 00:16:07.840 to hear a little bit more about your the backstory 305 00:16:07.879 --> 00:16:11.240 that led up to you so calmly and nonchalantly being like, well, 306 00:16:11.240 --> 00:16:13.679 I guess today is my day. All these ducts, like, 307 00:16:13.720 --> 00:16:16.559 I'm sorry, those are about those abductions. 308 00:16:16.559 --> 00:16:19.720 Right right. Let me cap that off to say that 309 00:16:19.879 --> 00:16:24.600 they finally they intubated me, and all of a sudden, 310 00:16:24.600 --> 00:16:27.240 when they're intubating me, I can taste the metal in 311 00:16:27.320 --> 00:16:29.360 my mouth and I'm back in my body. 312 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:32.799 Okay, Now here's my next question. Because you said metallic taste, 313 00:16:32.960 --> 00:16:36.000 did they do any kind of toxicology, blood work, anything 314 00:16:36.039 --> 00:16:38.799 to see what was injected into you? What you were 315 00:16:38.840 --> 00:16:40.799 having reaction because of nothing. 316 00:16:41.440 --> 00:16:44.279 Oh no, their biggest, their number one thing was to 317 00:16:44.320 --> 00:16:48.200 cover this up for sure, that they did everything in 318 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:50.919 their power to cover up. They had me so drugged 319 00:16:51.000 --> 00:16:55.200 up it wasn't funny, and kept me on combinations of 320 00:16:55.279 --> 00:16:57.559 drugs that I probably should have sued him for. Afterwards, 321 00:16:57.919 --> 00:16:59.919 we tried to get lawyers because I didn't want to 322 00:17:00.320 --> 00:17:03.720 you know, I wasn't looking to get anything from anyone 323 00:17:03.960 --> 00:17:06.759 to ruin anyone's life. I wanted someone to pay for 324 00:17:06.799 --> 00:17:08.960 my therapy because it was going to take me a 325 00:17:08.960 --> 00:17:12.640 lot of therapy to get through the PTSD part, because 326 00:17:12.920 --> 00:17:18.759 it triggered a lifetime of similar issues. Yeah, and every 327 00:17:18.880 --> 00:17:23.359 lawyer that was considering taking our case would then shortly 328 00:17:23.400 --> 00:17:25.200 thereafter you go, nope, won't touch it. 329 00:17:26.759 --> 00:17:32.279 So happened it was fentanyl that they got that caused 330 00:17:32.319 --> 00:17:34.880 a crazy reaction, like the same thing. Hospital covered it 331 00:17:34.960 --> 00:17:37.599 up all this because if there's anything showing fentanyl to 332 00:17:37.640 --> 00:17:39.759 be a negative thing in the medical field, Oh, we 333 00:17:39.799 --> 00:17:41.759 can't talk about that. Oh no, no, no, no, we we 334 00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:43.960 got to wash our hands of any of that. So 335 00:17:44.000 --> 00:17:48.079 who knows what concoction was in that vial that she 336 00:17:48.160 --> 00:17:50.359 injected into your IV line? So I. 337 00:17:51.880 --> 00:17:53.599 Oh, sorry, go ahead, I'm sorry. 338 00:17:53.720 --> 00:17:56.680 Yeah, I really want to know, because you hear like 339 00:17:56.759 --> 00:17:59.960 we've done near death experience shows where we've only talked 340 00:18:00.039 --> 00:18:04.400 about people's experiences with their near death experience. It's documented 341 00:18:04.440 --> 00:18:08.880 on you know, certain websites nderf dot com or something 342 00:18:08.920 --> 00:18:13.759 along those lines, and they're all pretty different. I mean 343 00:18:13.799 --> 00:18:16.039 not you're never going to get two that are exactly 344 00:18:16.079 --> 00:18:18.440 the same. But I mean, hey, that's our lives, and 345 00:18:18.480 --> 00:18:20.240 there's no two lives that are exactly the same, so 346 00:18:20.240 --> 00:18:23.640 I wouldn't expect it. But that being said, I am 347 00:18:23.839 --> 00:18:26.920 very curious if you were given an option to stay 348 00:18:26.960 --> 00:18:29.640 where you were or to go back into your body, 349 00:18:29.920 --> 00:18:33.400 or was it just automatically like I'm going back in 350 00:18:33.480 --> 00:18:35.240 because they brought me back to life, they got all 351 00:18:35.279 --> 00:18:37.079 that shit out of my system. Was it was the 352 00:18:37.119 --> 00:18:39.200 decision made for you or did you make a decision? 353 00:18:40.200 --> 00:18:42.200 You know, I felt like the decision was made for 354 00:18:42.240 --> 00:18:45.079 me immediately, because from the second I was out of 355 00:18:45.119 --> 00:18:48.680 my body, I just I knew that I was supposed 356 00:18:48.720 --> 00:18:54.279 to stay really close to my body and not wonder anywhere. Okay, 357 00:18:54.400 --> 00:18:56.680 just stay right here, just stay close to your body. 358 00:18:56.799 --> 00:18:58.880 This is just for a little while. I just knew 359 00:18:58.880 --> 00:19:02.519 that so has never given that option. Do you want 360 00:19:02.559 --> 00:19:04.960 to you know, stay or go, which I've heard of 361 00:19:05.000 --> 00:19:07.920 the people talk about no, and and like I said, 362 00:19:07.960 --> 00:19:12.359 as soon as they intimated me, everything went black. And 363 00:19:12.880 --> 00:19:15.640 I did have a small stroke from not small stroke, 364 00:19:15.680 --> 00:19:19.720 I had a stroke from it, which is why this 365 00:19:19.759 --> 00:19:21.839 side of my face doesn't move so much. You'll see me, 366 00:19:21.880 --> 00:19:23.880 you know. But it took me a long time to 367 00:19:23.920 --> 00:19:26.240 learn to walk again, to talk again. You know, I'm 368 00:19:26.279 --> 00:19:28.440 now ambidexterous because I had you do everything with my 369 00:19:28.519 --> 00:19:31.240 left hand for so long, you know, crazy stuff, and 370 00:19:31.920 --> 00:19:35.680 you know, people, it's just I it was such a 371 00:19:35.680 --> 00:19:41.160 strange way that everything happened, and it but like I said, 372 00:19:41.160 --> 00:19:44.359 I'm grateful for it because A I know that God 373 00:19:44.440 --> 00:19:47.039 loves me. I know that we go on. I know 374 00:19:47.119 --> 00:19:50.920 that we go on as ourselves like this, who you 375 00:19:50.960 --> 00:19:54.160 are is what continues on. I mean outside of the 376 00:19:54.200 --> 00:19:58.359 physical you know, body that we have, you keep going 377 00:19:58.519 --> 00:20:01.319 and it's as amazing and it just love and peace. 378 00:20:01.440 --> 00:20:04.519 So I am excited for that when that time comes, 379 00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:07.920 because I know that, you know, we have so much 380 00:20:07.960 --> 00:20:10.279 more than that to look forward to. But I just 381 00:20:10.359 --> 00:20:14.000 have a little, tiny glimpse into just the love and 382 00:20:14.039 --> 00:20:15.559 the beauty of what was there. 383 00:20:16.640 --> 00:20:19.400 I love this way too. You got a glimpse because, 384 00:20:19.440 --> 00:20:21.839 as the Bible says, no I have seen, nor ear 385 00:20:21.880 --> 00:20:24.079 has heard what God's got going on for us when 386 00:20:24.079 --> 00:20:27.200 we get there. You saw a little snippet of what 387 00:20:27.319 --> 00:20:30.119 you call the most profound love and peace and all 388 00:20:30.160 --> 00:20:32.200 these things. That was just a taste. 389 00:20:32.720 --> 00:20:35.079 Yeah, can you imagine. I mean, it makes it worth it. 390 00:20:35.119 --> 00:20:37.200 So I'm just like, Wow, I'm not afraid. I'm not 391 00:20:37.240 --> 00:20:39.119 afraid to die anymore. I'm not afraid of any of that. 392 00:20:39.440 --> 00:20:41.599 And I've had a lot of close calls since then too, 393 00:20:41.720 --> 00:20:44.920 So you know, whatever is going on, God's keeping me 394 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:47.000 around for a reason, and I'm going to try to 395 00:20:47.160 --> 00:20:48.880 make the most of it and do the best I 396 00:20:48.920 --> 00:20:50.640 can with what He's blessing with. 397 00:20:50.839 --> 00:20:52.720 So that's amazing my. 398 00:20:53.200 --> 00:20:55.200 Choice now, And that's why I'm coming forward with all 399 00:20:55.240 --> 00:20:57.279 of this, because it's not something most people would ever 400 00:20:57.359 --> 00:20:59.839 choose to come forward with. I never thought I would 401 00:20:59.839 --> 00:21:02.960 talk about this with anyone, let alone in a public setting, 402 00:21:03.319 --> 00:21:08.160 in the public form. This was never never on my radar, 403 00:21:08.640 --> 00:21:10.839 you know. But when I feel like when God throws 404 00:21:10.880 --> 00:21:13.759 you into something that's what you do, you know, and 405 00:21:13.759 --> 00:21:16.960 and so I'm grateful that I get to do to 406 00:21:17.039 --> 00:21:17.400 do this. 407 00:21:17.960 --> 00:21:21.279 But this question sound like this might sound like a 408 00:21:21.359 --> 00:21:26.000 ridiculous question, but only because I'm just so fascinated with NDEs. 409 00:21:26.079 --> 00:21:27.440 I just want to kind of go off a little 410 00:21:27.519 --> 00:21:29.680 checklist of whatever is just going on in my mind 411 00:21:29.680 --> 00:21:35.759 with this. After your NDE, did you pick up any 412 00:21:35.960 --> 00:21:38.720 like talents ever had before? 413 00:21:39.599 --> 00:21:42.480 That's a good question. Well, I definitely can use my 414 00:21:42.559 --> 00:21:45.359 left hand definitely now. 415 00:21:45.400 --> 00:21:47.759 It was kind of an actual superpower, let's be real. 416 00:21:49.000 --> 00:21:52.799 So yeah, that happened. I know I was I was 417 00:21:52.839 --> 00:21:54.720 wishing that I would kind of come out being able 418 00:21:54.759 --> 00:21:57.400 to play like a concert pianist or something. But no, 419 00:21:58.160 --> 00:22:00.160 I didn't get that. But what I did get it 420 00:22:00.200 --> 00:22:04.079 was coming out of it in recovery. I've been in 421 00:22:04.119 --> 00:22:07.119 recovery many times after surgery. That's usually a bunch of 422 00:22:07.160 --> 00:22:09.480 people in a room with one or two nurses barely 423 00:22:09.519 --> 00:22:12.079 paying attention to you, you know, your robes hanging out 424 00:22:12.119 --> 00:22:13.960 and you're like, can someone please come, you know over 425 00:22:13.960 --> 00:22:16.480 here waiting for your ice chips, that kind of thing. 426 00:22:16.519 --> 00:22:18.319 This time, I woke up and they were like six 427 00:22:18.400 --> 00:22:22.279 doctors and nurses standing around me. Every time they tried 428 00:22:22.279 --> 00:22:24.680 to bring me out of anesthesia. I was screaming in 429 00:22:24.759 --> 00:22:28.960 pain so loud that and just in so much pain 430 00:22:29.000 --> 00:22:30.759 that they kept having to put me back under so 431 00:22:30.799 --> 00:22:33.599 I wouldn't stroke out or have a heart attack. They 432 00:22:33.599 --> 00:22:37.640 did that for about four hours, and I remember so finally, 433 00:22:37.680 --> 00:22:39.799 after about four hours of this, I remember praying, going, God, 434 00:22:40.359 --> 00:22:42.960 why did you send me back into this body? I 435 00:22:43.000 --> 00:22:46.720 can't do this? Help me. And I look up and 436 00:22:46.720 --> 00:22:51.039 there's these two young, orderly males at the foot of 437 00:22:51.480 --> 00:22:55.079 my bed, and I look at them and they I'm like, 438 00:22:55.119 --> 00:22:57.119 oh my gosh, you look like you could be my kids, 439 00:22:57.200 --> 00:22:58.839 you know, because I had a lot of kids and 440 00:22:58.880 --> 00:23:00.720 a lot of kids that call me mom. And they 441 00:23:00.720 --> 00:23:04.160 were just young, handsome. They looked similar to one another 442 00:23:04.799 --> 00:23:09.279 in scrubs, and they just comforted me, and all of 443 00:23:09.279 --> 00:23:12.160 a sudden, I wasn't worried about the pain. They helped 444 00:23:12.160 --> 00:23:15.000 me just you know, within thirty minutes, I'm on my 445 00:23:15.039 --> 00:23:17.160 way back up to the room. They go all the 446 00:23:17.160 --> 00:23:18.519 way up to the room with me, and I'm just 447 00:23:18.599 --> 00:23:20.559 chatting to them, you know, and they're not really talking 448 00:23:20.599 --> 00:23:22.799 to me, but I'm talking to them a lot and 449 00:23:24.480 --> 00:23:26.279 We get to the room and my husband and my 450 00:23:26.359 --> 00:23:28.559 daughter in law, who are always there for me after surgery, 451 00:23:28.599 --> 00:23:32.839 were right there waiting and we're in the kind of 452 00:23:33.039 --> 00:23:37.079 ICU area and I grabbed their hands and I was like, 453 00:23:37.119 --> 00:23:39.680 you have to meet the boys. They remind me of 454 00:23:39.759 --> 00:23:44.240 our kids so much. Oh my gosh. And they're like, okay, yeah, 455 00:23:44.319 --> 00:23:46.279 you know, we're and I'm like, they're right here, and 456 00:23:46.319 --> 00:23:48.559 they're like where, And I'm like I looked at the 457 00:23:48.640 --> 00:23:50.960 nurse and the other orderly who was on either side 458 00:23:50.960 --> 00:23:52.839 of me, and I said, oh, what happened to the 459 00:23:52.839 --> 00:23:55.400 boys that I was talking to? And she's like, honey, 460 00:23:55.400 --> 00:23:57.319 what boys. I'm like, the ones that are with us. 461 00:23:57.319 --> 00:23:59.279 They were in the elevator, they were down the hall 462 00:23:59.359 --> 00:24:01.599 and she's like, honey, I don't know who you're talking about. 463 00:24:01.640 --> 00:24:03.119 I'm like, they were right here with us. I was 464 00:24:03.160 --> 00:24:04.880 talking to him the whole way up. She's like, oh, 465 00:24:04.960 --> 00:24:07.039 we wondered too, you were talking to honey. It's just 466 00:24:07.680 --> 00:24:13.200 us and. 467 00:24:11.279 --> 00:24:13.440 Your third eye, your pineal glam was a little more 468 00:24:13.440 --> 00:24:14.599 open than it usually is. 469 00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:17.240 These you were things. 470 00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:21.480 That were absolutely there that they comforted me. 471 00:24:21.559 --> 00:24:24.400 They talked me through it. I you know, I believe 472 00:24:24.440 --> 00:24:28.039 these were angels. They came and helped me, they comforted me. 473 00:24:28.680 --> 00:24:33.119 I went from them spending four hours trying to get 474 00:24:33.160 --> 00:24:36.440 me out of anesthesia to just like that, everything was better. 475 00:24:36.599 --> 00:24:39.880 I was still in pain, but it it was okay. 476 00:24:40.079 --> 00:24:43.559 All of a sudden, and I searched that hospital high 477 00:24:43.599 --> 00:24:46.359 and low with my little walker in my wheelchair, trying 478 00:24:46.400 --> 00:24:49.759 to find these guys nobody was talking about. No one 479 00:24:49.759 --> 00:24:52.240 else had seen them, and I realized, well, they were 480 00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:54.720 wearing scrubs, but I remember, they didn't have any badges 481 00:24:54.839 --> 00:24:59.000 or anything on, you know, the millionyards or anything. And 482 00:24:59.759 --> 00:25:02.119 they they were just there to help me. And as 483 00:25:02.119 --> 00:25:05.400 soon as I had everything I needed, they were gone. 484 00:25:06.160 --> 00:25:08.759 You know, they didn't interfere with me, they didn't hurt 485 00:25:08.759 --> 00:25:12.519 me in any way, they didn't nothing. They just helped 486 00:25:12.559 --> 00:25:14.799 me and they were kind and comforting. And then they 487 00:25:14.799 --> 00:25:17.839 were gone when they weren't no longer needed. And I 488 00:25:17.880 --> 00:25:22.400 was like, wow, so there are good angelic beings out there, wonderful, benevolent. 489 00:25:23.079 --> 00:25:27.119 And I had had a lifetime of these horrible encounters 490 00:25:27.160 --> 00:25:30.480 with non human entities. Finally yours two that are just 491 00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:33.440 wonderful and lovely. So I was so grateful for that 492 00:25:33.519 --> 00:25:36.079 so no, I didn't get any special powers, Jonathan, but 493 00:25:36.079 --> 00:25:41.359 I did get a visit from two amazing entities whatever, 494 00:25:41.480 --> 00:25:42.240 whoever they were. 495 00:25:42.759 --> 00:25:45.359 Oh my god, that is so cool. I knew I 496 00:25:45.839 --> 00:25:47.640 kind of felt like you were going there whenever you 497 00:25:47.680 --> 00:25:50.640 first started saying it, and then you're like, oh, well, 498 00:25:50.720 --> 00:25:54.359 nobody knew who they were, and uh, that is so crazy. 499 00:25:54.400 --> 00:25:58.680 I love to hear that. See you were, You said 500 00:25:58.680 --> 00:26:02.519 that they were there to like comfort you. Right, Did 501 00:26:02.559 --> 00:26:05.039 they put hands on you? Was there any kind of touch? 502 00:26:05.160 --> 00:26:06.200 Did you feel that at all? 503 00:26:07.039 --> 00:26:09.720 Yeah, they had their hands on my half of my 504 00:26:09.799 --> 00:26:13.759 legs on either side, one on either side. That's the 505 00:26:13.839 --> 00:26:18.599 only contact I had. And I was under the sheet 506 00:26:18.759 --> 00:26:22.200 the blanket, you know those awful hospital cotton blankets the US. 507 00:26:22.720 --> 00:26:26.920 So it wasn't direct contact. But yeah, they had their 508 00:26:26.920 --> 00:26:28.920 hands on my halfs. 509 00:26:28.920 --> 00:26:33.400 Oh, that's interesting too. Biblically speaking, the armor that God 510 00:26:33.440 --> 00:26:35.119 tells us to wear, it would be the shoes of 511 00:26:35.279 --> 00:26:39.319 peace and these two entities who again, he says that 512 00:26:39.359 --> 00:26:42.279 he will send you a comforter If I'm not mistaken. 513 00:26:43.519 --> 00:26:45.720 This all checks out to me. Not gonna lie, and 514 00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:47.680 I'm not gonna lie. Also, when you said you had 515 00:26:47.720 --> 00:26:49.400 these two gentlemen that were standing at the foot of 516 00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:51.920 your bed when you woke up. I have my former 517 00:26:51.960 --> 00:26:55.759 father in law. Long story short, was on his deathbed. 518 00:26:55.799 --> 00:26:58.119 They had like one more treatment they were gonna try, 519 00:26:58.160 --> 00:27:00.440 and if this didn't take it was it the whole 520 00:27:00.559 --> 00:27:04.319 nine horrible, horrible situation. When he came out and he 521 00:27:04.440 --> 00:27:08.200 woke up, he says he had two gentlemen in suits 522 00:27:08.200 --> 00:27:11.200 and ties around him that weren't actually there, but he 523 00:27:11.240 --> 00:27:14.640 saw them, and he is saying that these entities were 524 00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:17.839 not of the good type, and they were tormenting him 525 00:27:17.880 --> 00:27:21.000 for a couple of days until the third third eye 526 00:27:21.079 --> 00:27:24.839 pineal gland started to calcify back over naturally. But uh yeah, 527 00:27:24.880 --> 00:27:27.319 he says that what he saw in recovery was horrible. 528 00:27:29.480 --> 00:27:30.880 So many different experiences. 529 00:27:31.200 --> 00:27:34.799 Yeah, that's amazing. No, I you know, I had no 530 00:27:34.880 --> 00:27:39.279 reason to There's nothing of benefit for me to make 531 00:27:39.440 --> 00:27:42.359 those guys up, you know what I mean, there's there 532 00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:44.960 just isn't. There's no reason for me to make something 533 00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:47.799 like that up. You know, It's it's just what happened, 534 00:27:47.920 --> 00:27:52.640 you know. And yeah, I mean if they were actual humans, 535 00:27:53.079 --> 00:27:55.839 no one could ever find them in the hospital. So 536 00:27:56.920 --> 00:27:59.799 I don't know, I I really do. 537 00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:04.680 Let's hear a little bit about you know, what happens 538 00:28:04.799 --> 00:28:07.599 as maybe maybe the before story that Jacob was kind 539 00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:10.880 of asking about or alluding to their as far as 540 00:28:11.240 --> 00:28:17.119 demonic presences or aliens or maybe you know, aliens cloaking 541 00:28:17.119 --> 00:28:18.880 themselves as demons or vice versa. 542 00:28:19.119 --> 00:28:23.839 Let's say this, let's say other than human entity abductions. 543 00:28:23.960 --> 00:28:27.000 And before we even hear the story, let's leave it. 544 00:28:27.160 --> 00:28:28.720 You and I Johnathan are going to hear this from 545 00:28:28.799 --> 00:28:31.440 very neutral playing fields. Right, We're not saying these are 546 00:28:31.680 --> 00:28:34.400 good aliens, bad aliens, angels, demons. Nothing. She said and 547 00:28:34.440 --> 00:28:37.720 that she was abducted by non human creatures, and let's 548 00:28:37.759 --> 00:28:40.359 hear the experiences and we will decide what we think 549 00:28:40.400 --> 00:28:41.960 as far as all of these things are concerned with, 550 00:28:42.079 --> 00:28:44.920 especially with all the things we've heard, stories, we've heard, 551 00:28:44.920 --> 00:28:47.559 guess we've had on She is saying that she believes 552 00:28:47.559 --> 00:28:50.799 that these were demonic entities, and again she has experience 553 00:28:50.839 --> 00:28:53.759 with these things. I am I got to know what 554 00:28:53.880 --> 00:28:56.119 happened to where I was like, no, that is absolutely 555 00:28:56.119 --> 00:28:57.200 what this is, you know what I mean? 556 00:28:58.000 --> 00:29:00.480 Also as a as a little pre or sort of 557 00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:03.200 this and this is you know, kind of just something 558 00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:06.359 that I feel like is necessary to ask, have you 559 00:29:06.440 --> 00:29:08.000 been a Christian your entire life? 560 00:29:09.279 --> 00:29:09.359 No? 561 00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:12.240 But you became a Christian as a result of this. 562 00:29:13.519 --> 00:29:15.640 Well, I wouldn't say as a result of this. No. 563 00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:19.680 I had a experience with my roommates when we were 564 00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:23.160 about eighteen or nineteen years old, and one of them 565 00:29:23.559 --> 00:29:27.519 had a background with family members who are Christian, and 566 00:29:27.519 --> 00:29:30.799 we were listening to a particular song by Duran Duran 567 00:29:31.079 --> 00:29:35.279 and looking into the lyrics and she's like, I know 568 00:29:35.359 --> 00:29:38.079 what that means. She started explaining to us. Before you know, 569 00:29:38.119 --> 00:29:40.839 we've got a Bible out, we're all giving our lives God, 570 00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:44.000 we're all born again. You know, we start going down 571 00:29:44.359 --> 00:29:47.599 and going to church and doing all you know, getting. 572 00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:53.839 Led to you finding Jesus. Yeah, Lord uses so many tools, 573 00:29:53.880 --> 00:29:54.319 am I right? 574 00:29:54.880 --> 00:29:58.240 I know? Right? It was crazy? Was that song? Election Day? 575 00:29:58.279 --> 00:30:00.839 I think, yeah, She's like, that's about well not going 576 00:30:00.839 --> 00:30:03.319 in the rapture, and we're like, what's the rapture? You know, 577 00:30:03.559 --> 00:30:05.720 we had no idea I went. I grew up in 578 00:30:05.880 --> 00:30:09.039 like a presratory in church. It was just about getting 579 00:30:09.079 --> 00:30:12.160 dressed up, going being quiet, going home. You know. We 580 00:30:12.240 --> 00:30:14.640 learned some stories about Noah and some giraffes and things 581 00:30:14.680 --> 00:30:18.200 like that, but not much else. So then I fell 582 00:30:18.279 --> 00:30:20.720 away from that, you know, because I didn't really have 583 00:30:20.759 --> 00:30:23.440 a good foundation and I didn't have a good support 584 00:30:23.480 --> 00:30:26.599 system around me to continue that, and I fell away 585 00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:30.400 from it. And so I still I've always known God 586 00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:32.240 was there since I was a little, tiny kid, because 587 00:30:32.319 --> 00:30:34.559 I went to church and I knew who God was 588 00:30:34.599 --> 00:30:36.960 and Jesus was and all that, and I and I 589 00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:40.480 even you know, there were times when I was little 590 00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:44.759 where there would be these commercials on TV and God 591 00:30:44.759 --> 00:30:46.400 would just put that in my head, in my heart, 592 00:30:46.480 --> 00:30:48.799 and I know that that protected me. Sometimes. It's so 593 00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:51.720 weird now to think back on how even when I 594 00:30:51.759 --> 00:30:56.640 wasn't aware, God was still helping me. But so and 595 00:30:56.680 --> 00:30:59.400 I always, you know, I prayed, and I kind of 596 00:30:59.400 --> 00:31:02.559 had these different times in my life where I get 597 00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:06.000 back into my beliefs a little bit and then just 598 00:31:06.039 --> 00:31:08.119 fall away. I went down a very new age path 599 00:31:08.200 --> 00:31:11.680 and different tried out different religions, Buddhism, all kinds of 600 00:31:11.680 --> 00:31:16.960 different things, you know, just searching, and yeah, and God 601 00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:19.119 never left me. He just stayed there, and he just 602 00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:24.079 kept knocking and he kept waiting for me to see 603 00:31:24.440 --> 00:31:27.720 and to find my way like a prodigal son, and 604 00:31:27.960 --> 00:31:30.039 you know, and all the things that I did that 605 00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:33.640 I am not proud of, But as far down as 606 00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:37.920 I fell, he never walked away, and that's you know. 607 00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:41.519 So what led me back was just his love for 608 00:31:41.559 --> 00:31:44.480 me always being there. And when I looked up and 609 00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:48.079 he was still there, I came back in and he 610 00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:50.880 invited me back in with open arms. And that was 611 00:31:51.079 --> 00:31:58.000 again after my near death experience. So you know, it's 612 00:31:58.000 --> 00:32:01.359 funny because even then he didn't leave me or forsake me, 613 00:32:01.519 --> 00:32:03.920 because I had already given my life and my heart 614 00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:07.440 to him. Even though I fell away, he's still there. 615 00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:10.680 So that's how it works. You can't get unadopted from 616 00:32:10.680 --> 00:32:14.160 a family. That's literally not how it works, you know, right. 617 00:32:14.279 --> 00:32:16.319 Yeah, And I didn't think I was worthy to ever 618 00:32:16.400 --> 00:32:21.319 be back in his presence and I'm still not a yeah, 619 00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:23.799 and exactly, and now I realize I'll never be worthy. 620 00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:27.279 That's the whole point, yep. And that's the coolness of 621 00:32:27.319 --> 00:32:30.279 it is that you know, I'm not out there trying 622 00:32:30.359 --> 00:32:33.160 to do bad things. I'm trying my best to do 623 00:32:33.240 --> 00:32:34.920 my best, but I know I'll never be good enough. 624 00:32:34.960 --> 00:32:37.519 And that's okay. But I'm just going to do what 625 00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:39.960 I can because I just want to please him, because 626 00:32:40.240 --> 00:32:43.160 bless me so much and I am so grateful for that. 627 00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:45.839 And people are like, how can you be so happy 628 00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:50.119 when you've had such a horrific life. I'm like, because 629 00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:52.640 what I have now is so much greater than the 630 00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:55.599 pain that I've had in my past and all suffered, 631 00:32:55.920 --> 00:32:59.039 is so much greater than what I suffered. It just 632 00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:02.480 he can heal anything, and healed my heart. He can 633 00:33:02.519 --> 00:33:05.519 heal anyone's heart. So sorry, that makes me a little bit. 634 00:33:05.960 --> 00:33:07.920 No, no, no, no, no, Look, I'm getting emotional here 635 00:33:07.960 --> 00:33:10.680 to hear you say these things because I'm telling you 636 00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:14.200 this is this is words from my heart that you 637 00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:16.160 are saying right now. I feel like I've said these 638 00:33:16.200 --> 00:33:20.039 words on this program multiple times. I could not agree more. 639 00:33:20.240 --> 00:33:22.880 And like, that's the point. You're supposed to do the 640 00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:25.519 best you can. Is it ever going to be good enough? No, 641 00:33:25.720 --> 00:33:28.440 You're human. You were born into sin and imperfect and 642 00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:30.559 that's okay. God made you that way. It's a part 643 00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:32.240 of the plan. I promise. She ain't mad at you, 644 00:33:32.599 --> 00:33:34.960 He doesn't hate you. He just wants you to come home. 645 00:33:35.319 --> 00:33:38.720 That's it, and it's hard for people to grasp that and. 646 00:33:39.519 --> 00:33:41.799 Accept you where you are and for who you are, 647 00:33:41.960 --> 00:33:45.680 period and the story, and that's that's the amazing part 648 00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:48.160 of it. So I hope that answers your question, Jonathan. 649 00:33:48.160 --> 00:33:49.920 I know I went down a really long road there, 650 00:33:49.960 --> 00:33:52.960 but but yeah, I was not always a Christian. But 651 00:33:53.720 --> 00:33:56.359 to get back to the abduction stuff, they started from 652 00:33:56.359 --> 00:33:58.240 as early as I can remember. If you want me 653 00:33:58.279 --> 00:33:59.799 to kind of talk about that a little. 654 00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:02.279 Bit again, yeah, I was gonna say that happened around 655 00:34:02.319 --> 00:34:06.680 like teenage years that started. First memory was in a spaceship, like, 656 00:34:06.680 --> 00:34:07.960 what were we talking about here? 657 00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:13.159 Yeah, these these abductions happened from my very earliest memories 658 00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:16.039 when I was a little kid. I remember I was 659 00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:18.679 only about maybe three or four years old, maybe two. 660 00:34:19.719 --> 00:34:24.320 One of my nieces or nephews graduated from high school. 661 00:34:24.760 --> 00:34:27.440 Not nieces, uncles, sorry answer uncles. I can't remember my 662 00:34:27.519 --> 00:34:30.280 dad's niece nephew. And they took us to the high 663 00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:35.719 school and I was so little, and they tried to 664 00:34:35.719 --> 00:34:38.400 hand me off to one of my other aunts and 665 00:34:38.519 --> 00:34:43.719 uncles that was sitting behind them, and I screamed, bloody murder. 666 00:34:44.519 --> 00:34:46.840 I will never it is ingrained in my head because 667 00:34:46.840 --> 00:34:49.159 I looked at their faces and they looked so similar 668 00:34:49.159 --> 00:34:51.480 to these Nordic entities that I was so used to 669 00:34:51.480 --> 00:34:54.440 already seeing all the time. I was terrified of that 670 00:34:54.440 --> 00:34:57.119 side of the family. Just you know, I'm a little kid, 671 00:34:57.159 --> 00:35:00.119 so I can't make those distinctions. But and they they 672 00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:02.480 were very human. Don't get me wrong, My family members 673 00:35:02.519 --> 00:35:06.360 were not aliens. They were human, but they had their 674 00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:09.480 eyes were big and blue, and they're very fair and 675 00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:12.239 very tall and very thin, and just they were so 676 00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:14.840 similar that I couldn't go to it. And they couldn't 677 00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:16.639 understand why I wouldn't ever go to anyone on that 678 00:35:16.639 --> 00:35:20.039 side of the family. And you know, at that young age, 679 00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:24.159 you can't communicate that. And when I start having concrete 680 00:35:24.199 --> 00:35:27.079 memories around five or six years old, as most children do, 681 00:35:28.840 --> 00:35:33.159 that's when your memories kind of start to are solidified, right. 682 00:35:33.760 --> 00:35:36.920 I remember it would happen at night. They would come 683 00:35:37.159 --> 00:35:40.360 and it didn't matter where I was. Quite often at 684 00:35:40.360 --> 00:35:42.920 my grandparents' farm house it would happen, or at our 685 00:35:42.920 --> 00:35:47.159 home didn't matter, and it would just be the middle 686 00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:48.599 of the night. If I was sharing a room with 687 00:35:48.639 --> 00:35:50.920 a sibling, that sibling would just be in a state 688 00:35:50.960 --> 00:35:54.840 of knocked out. Can't wake them up, can't rouse them sleep. 689 00:35:55.440 --> 00:35:57.760 Just like you know, if I screamed or hit, no 690 00:35:57.840 --> 00:35:59.480 one in the house would hear me, even if I 691 00:35:59.480 --> 00:36:04.119 did try to to do something. A lot of times 692 00:36:04.159 --> 00:36:07.559 there the crickets and cicadas outside would just get quiet. 693 00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:11.519 Sometimes the cows make cows on the farm. They would 694 00:36:11.559 --> 00:36:14.400 get really quiet. Sometimes they would get really loud, which 695 00:36:14.440 --> 00:36:18.800 is weird. Sometimes there be a light that would come 696 00:36:18.800 --> 00:36:21.480 in the window or the far window from the bedroom 697 00:36:21.519 --> 00:36:26.719 that I could see from down the hall, and there 698 00:36:26.760 --> 00:36:29.280 would I could feel it. I could feel the change 699 00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:33.159 in the room. To this day, if they are around, 700 00:36:33.239 --> 00:36:36.559 I get that same feeling and it is like another 701 00:36:36.639 --> 00:36:38.920 sense and I can't describe it except that it's a 702 00:36:38.960 --> 00:36:42.400 feeling and it's very clear. It's always that same feeling 703 00:36:42.440 --> 00:36:45.480 when they're around. They know when they're around. I know 704 00:36:45.559 --> 00:36:50.400 when they're out Yeah, there's definitely I know when they're 705 00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:52.159 out there, I know when they're close by. I know 706 00:36:52.239 --> 00:36:55.639 that sounds crazy, but I always feel them. I always 707 00:36:55.719 --> 00:36:58.760 know when they're around. It's like a cold breeze, but 708 00:36:59.039 --> 00:37:01.159 doesn't feel like that, you know, but it is something 709 00:37:01.159 --> 00:37:03.920 that is tangible that I can tell that they're there, 710 00:37:04.199 --> 00:37:09.400 and there would be at least two of the what 711 00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:14.159 people call typical gray alien in the bedroom. They were, 712 00:37:14.800 --> 00:37:17.079 you know, the kind of three foot round, three feet tall, 713 00:37:17.599 --> 00:37:21.679 with the big oversized bulbous heads, the big black screen 714 00:37:21.719 --> 00:37:27.079 eyes that didn't move. They were just stationary, thin, really thin, 715 00:37:27.440 --> 00:37:30.719 almost brittle bodies. Some of them smelled really bad. Some 716 00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:34.559 of them had a putrid smell like a cross between 717 00:37:35.159 --> 00:37:39.199 dead animal sulfur urine feces kind of, you know, just 718 00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:42.559 some didn't smell that bad at all, and some smelled 719 00:37:42.559 --> 00:37:47.000 really bad. I don't you know, I don't know why. 720 00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:50.840 I think some of them might have been older skin suits, whatever. 721 00:37:50.920 --> 00:37:56.559 But from that point I would be put in a 722 00:37:56.559 --> 00:38:00.760 state of waking paralysis. People talk about sleep. For me, 723 00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:04.079 this was a wide awake. And then as soon as 724 00:38:04.119 --> 00:38:07.719 I noticed them, I would get immediately put into a 725 00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:10.239 state of paralysis. Usually at that point I had as 726 00:38:10.280 --> 00:38:11.800 soon as I'd see them, I would like wet the 727 00:38:11.800 --> 00:38:14.079 bed or something like that, because I was terrified in them, 728 00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:17.679 and they would love tate me off the bed and 729 00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:19.800 take me up through a ceiling or out through a 730 00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:23.199 closed window. And I would get right up to a 731 00:38:23.239 --> 00:38:28.159 ceiling and see crazy little details like paint marks or 732 00:38:28.920 --> 00:38:31.719 you know, wallpaper curling and being really brown because my 733 00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:36.159 Grandma's house had wallpaper on the ceiling, or the bugs 734 00:38:36.159 --> 00:38:38.360 that were in the light, or every little detail on 735 00:38:38.440 --> 00:38:40.920 this etched light that was on the ceiling of one 736 00:38:40.920 --> 00:38:43.920 of the rooms, or you know, getting right up to 737 00:38:43.960 --> 00:38:46.719 the window that you see like every little square on 738 00:38:46.760 --> 00:38:49.159 the screen and some of them aren't bent and some 739 00:38:49.199 --> 00:38:51.840 are broken, but they're not really square after all, you know, 740 00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:55.679 just or smudges, and when just things that you know, 741 00:38:55.800 --> 00:38:58.159 I remember, just why is this so close up? And 742 00:38:58.159 --> 00:39:00.519 then seeing things get further away, like picks on the 743 00:39:00.519 --> 00:39:03.400 walls and in the rooms and the doorways, and everything's 744 00:39:03.400 --> 00:39:07.199 getting further and further away. As I would approach the 745 00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:12.519 window or the ceiling, I it was like this base 746 00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:17.679 almost like a low hum, like a really low low vibration. 747 00:39:18.440 --> 00:39:20.840 It was like holding onto a big base speaker almost 748 00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:23.199 at a concert, like a really loud concert, only without 749 00:39:23.280 --> 00:39:26.880 the noise. And I felt like my body was just 750 00:39:27.159 --> 00:39:29.480 going into a bazillion little pieces, and I would just 751 00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:32.760 go through a window or through a ceiling, and at 752 00:39:32.760 --> 00:39:34.760 that point, I don't know if it was because of 753 00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:36.519 how it was done. But I feel like that that's 754 00:39:36.559 --> 00:39:39.039 the point where I'd always blackout, would be put to 755 00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:42.840 sleep whatever. Not always, but usually because I do have 756 00:39:42.920 --> 00:39:47.559 memories of seeing the outside and seeing things good bye, 757 00:39:47.599 --> 00:39:50.079 and seeing things, seeing things get smaller and further away. 758 00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:55.519 Now, is this your body or is this your consciousness that's. 759 00:39:55.320 --> 00:40:00.480 Happening to my physical body, my physical person being being. 760 00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:03.199 Yeah, so you're saying that they were using I don't 761 00:40:03.239 --> 00:40:05.519 want to say sound wave energy because we don't know 762 00:40:05.559 --> 00:40:08.079 what this energy would have been, but something akin to 763 00:40:08.119 --> 00:40:15.719 it to make you be able to go through hearts, surfaces, walls, ceilings, windows, 764 00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:18.199 all of this. Basically, they would turn on this device 765 00:40:18.280 --> 00:40:20.880 to in some way shape or form, make the wall 766 00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:23.239 soft or you soft or both to be able to 767 00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:25.079 pass through each other, and then turn it off when 768 00:40:25.119 --> 00:40:27.159 you got on the other side. But that was around 769 00:40:27.199 --> 00:40:28.400 the time when you would black out. 770 00:40:28.880 --> 00:40:33.519 Yeah, exactly. And you know, they can manipulate space, time, energy, 771 00:40:33.519 --> 00:40:36.400 and matter of ways that we don't understand. They're so 772 00:40:36.559 --> 00:40:39.079 advanced of us, they advice been so far ahead of us, 773 00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:42.400 and some of the things that they utilized when I 774 00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:46.440 was little makes sense now, but I couldn't have explained 775 00:40:46.639 --> 00:40:49.599 then because it was like virtual reality, you know, when 776 00:40:49.639 --> 00:40:52.000 you put on br goggles and everything scenes and feels 777 00:40:52.039 --> 00:40:55.119 so real, but it's not really there. I was experiencing 778 00:40:55.159 --> 00:40:58.320 that from a really young age. Or these walls in 779 00:40:58.360 --> 00:41:02.320 these rooms that were just means like video screens. But 780 00:41:03.280 --> 00:41:05.239 you know, all we had was a little tiny TV 781 00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:08.239 with four six ten thirteen in the U channel, and 782 00:41:08.239 --> 00:41:09.840 I don't know what the you did, but sometimes something 783 00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:12.920 would come to the static, you know, you know, I mean, 784 00:41:12.920 --> 00:41:17.480 that's how old I am, but so, you know, it's 785 00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:20.880 just so none of these things made sense, you know, 786 00:41:21.559 --> 00:41:24.599 And I didn't have vocabulary to talk about them either, 787 00:41:24.679 --> 00:41:27.679 because there weren't shows on TV or podcasts or books 788 00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:30.360 or magazines or things that I had access to anyway 789 00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:34.519 that talked about these things. So I didn't have the 790 00:41:34.639 --> 00:41:39.000 vocabulary for gray alien or spaceship or any of that 791 00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:42.360 other stuff. You know. All I knew was that, you know, 792 00:41:42.360 --> 00:41:43.880 they were the ones that came to get me and 793 00:41:44.440 --> 00:41:46.920 one of my sisters. I remember, I would always try 794 00:41:46.960 --> 00:41:50.159 to hide at night. I thought if I could find 795 00:41:50.199 --> 00:41:52.039 like a big enough suitcase, get in it, zip it 796 00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:53.920 up under the bed, they wouldn't be able to find me. 797 00:41:54.360 --> 00:41:56.360 I remember, her saying, it doesn't matter where you go. 798 00:41:56.440 --> 00:41:58.639 They can see us through thee through the roofs, you know, 799 00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:01.239 they can see through the house. This is like a 800 00:42:01.280 --> 00:42:03.840 five and an eight year old having a conversation like that. 801 00:42:04.519 --> 00:42:06.280 You talk about them the ones who come to get 802 00:42:06.280 --> 00:42:08.079 is there are the ones that can get I won't 803 00:42:08.119 --> 00:42:11.519 speak for that other person, so, but you know, having 804 00:42:11.559 --> 00:42:15.159 these conversations when we're that little, I mean, but we 805 00:42:15.199 --> 00:42:19.719 didn't have any vocabulary to put behind it. So if 806 00:42:19.719 --> 00:42:23.400 you tried to tell somebody, I mean, I remember being 807 00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:25.360 about six years old, six years seven, I think it 808 00:42:25.400 --> 00:42:27.599 was about six at the school and they had to 809 00:42:27.639 --> 00:42:30.159 call and have my mom come and get me because 810 00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:33.280 I was in a cuddled up, huddled up in a 811 00:42:33.320 --> 00:42:36.039 ball in the corner of a bathroom stall, just holding 812 00:42:36.039 --> 00:42:38.639 onto my knees and rocking and I wouldn't get up, 813 00:42:38.679 --> 00:42:41.559 and I wouldn't talk and I wouldn't move, and they 814 00:42:41.559 --> 00:42:44.320 had to have her come get me because I had 815 00:42:44.360 --> 00:42:48.760 finally had my just I broke down. You know, I 816 00:42:48.760 --> 00:42:51.920 was only like six years old, but I couldn't take 817 00:42:51.960 --> 00:42:56.840 it anymore. And because at that point I had been 818 00:42:56.880 --> 00:42:58.960 warned and I can back up to talk about that 819 00:42:59.400 --> 00:43:02.719 they was trying to talk about it. You know, they 820 00:43:03.039 --> 00:43:05.480 come get me, they do this, you know, and I 821 00:43:05.519 --> 00:43:07.679 was telling kids to school, you know. Yeah, they did 822 00:43:07.719 --> 00:43:09.840 this needle in my neck or my chest, you know, 823 00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:14.719 just things like that. And the one night they took 824 00:43:14.760 --> 00:43:18.639 me and walked me into the backyard of my house 825 00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:24.159 and it did a screen memory thing. It's called like 826 00:43:24.159 --> 00:43:26.159 a screen memory when you think you're seeing something but 827 00:43:26.199 --> 00:43:29.599 you're not. It's really like VR is for virtual reality 828 00:43:29.719 --> 00:43:30.320 is for us today. 829 00:43:30.440 --> 00:43:31.320 You mean scrying. 830 00:43:32.239 --> 00:43:35.599 I'm sorry, you mean scrying screen memory? 831 00:43:36.519 --> 00:43:37.920 Okay, I might be thinking of someone else. 832 00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:39.320 What's crying. I don't know. 833 00:43:39.559 --> 00:43:41.760 When you when you write something down, you're getting from 834 00:43:41.800 --> 00:43:43.079 the other side. I might be making things. 835 00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:47.519 They had these things called that are referred to as 836 00:43:47.559 --> 00:43:51.119 screen memories when people have them, and it's you know, 837 00:43:51.159 --> 00:43:53.079 it's kind of an old term, but it's like a 838 00:43:53.159 --> 00:43:56.079 virtual reality thing being shown to you, but you're you're there, 839 00:43:56.239 --> 00:43:59.199 You're you're there, and they're it feels like everything else 840 00:43:59.280 --> 00:44:03.159 is there too. And they showed my family being walked 841 00:44:03.159 --> 00:44:07.599 out into the backyard. There was a clothesline going down 842 00:44:07.599 --> 00:44:09.679 the middle of the yard at my grandma's house, and 843 00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:11.960 the family was on the other side of the clothes line. 844 00:44:12.039 --> 00:44:14.840 And then they're like, you can't talk to people about this. 845 00:44:14.960 --> 00:44:17.880 You have to stop talking. You have to be good. 846 00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:21.320 You have to be good. And they sprayed something on 847 00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:25.320 their backs, of their necks and then beheaded them all 848 00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:27.920 in front of me. And I was just a little kid, 849 00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:31.320 you know, I'm like six years old, and I just 850 00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:34.760 that's what led to me. You know, then when you 851 00:44:34.760 --> 00:44:38.199 go back to school, and I just I couldn't do 852 00:44:38.239 --> 00:44:43.079 it anymore. You know. I realized at that point I 853 00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:46.960 didn't have anyone who was going to save me. I 854 00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:52.320 didn't have any options. I couldn't stop them without hurting 855 00:44:52.360 --> 00:44:58.280 my family. And I kind of made that choice at 856 00:44:58.280 --> 00:45:01.599 that point because of a little kid. You know, kids 857 00:45:01.639 --> 00:45:05.760 don't we don't have those tools. That's when I made 858 00:45:05.760 --> 00:45:09.599 the choice to just put that over here and my 859 00:45:09.679 --> 00:45:14.960 life over here and never bring them back together and 860 00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:18.760 for as much as possible, and I just at that 861 00:45:18.880 --> 00:45:26.679 point just did a lot of dissociation from it. Sure, 862 00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:32.639 and you know, it became something I never spoke about after. 863 00:45:32.440 --> 00:45:34.920 That, but it was something that was still regularly happening though, correct. 864 00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:38.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it happened constantly all the time. I mean, 865 00:45:38.920 --> 00:45:42.400 I couldn't say with how what with what frequency, because 866 00:45:42.400 --> 00:45:45.119 I don't remember every time I was taken. Sometimes i'd 867 00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:47.760 be taken and the memory would be just of them 868 00:45:47.800 --> 00:45:50.000 showing up, and then I have no other memory of 869 00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:52.639 what happened the rest of that time. Sometimes I would 870 00:45:52.639 --> 00:45:56.199 wake up and not really remember the actual abduction part, 871 00:45:56.599 --> 00:46:00.760 but I would be at the elevators. So there were 872 00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:07.280 these banks of elevators, and most often it would be 873 00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:09.280 we would go into these elevators and they just went 874 00:46:09.360 --> 00:46:12.480 down and down and down, and then I would get 875 00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:17.000 on what I called the sideways elevators. Because I was little, 876 00:46:17.079 --> 00:46:20.559 I never had any frame of reference for vehicles that 877 00:46:20.599 --> 00:46:23.760 were silent, So these elevators went side to side or 878 00:46:23.880 --> 00:46:26.280 up at an angle or down an angle. I just 879 00:46:26.760 --> 00:46:29.360 thought of them as elevators in my head, but they 880 00:46:29.360 --> 00:46:32.039 were more likely like a high speed transit system of 881 00:46:32.039 --> 00:46:35.800 some sort. But back then cars made noise, Trains made noise. 882 00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:38.159 You know, everything we traveled in was loud back then. 883 00:46:38.920 --> 00:46:43.559 So then that would just take me to wherever we 884 00:46:43.559 --> 00:46:46.159 were going that particular time. Whatever they were going to 885 00:46:46.159 --> 00:46:52.880 do just you know, examinations or I don't know what 886 00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:54.519 they were doing because they didn't tell me what they 887 00:46:54.519 --> 00:47:00.320 were doing. It wasn't pleasant, it was invasive. You know, 888 00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:04.800 I have a burn on my back that mark. It 889 00:47:04.840 --> 00:47:06.880 felt like a burn. I can't say it's a burn, 890 00:47:06.920 --> 00:47:08.920 but it hurt like a burn. It's in the shape 891 00:47:08.920 --> 00:47:10.960 of like a triangle. I put a picture of it 892 00:47:11.039 --> 00:47:13.639 in the book that you know, I came back with 893 00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:15.719 once with you know, i'd come back with rashes or 894 00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:19.440 burns or different things than marks. You know, when my 895 00:47:19.519 --> 00:47:21.320 mom picked me up from the school that time, she 896 00:47:21.400 --> 00:47:23.639 took me to the doctor because I had marks on me, 897 00:47:24.639 --> 00:47:28.920 and I did say they just you know, it's from 898 00:47:28.960 --> 00:47:31.079 the ones that get me, the ones that are touching me, 899 00:47:31.119 --> 00:47:34.119 that are bothering me, and because I know how to 900 00:47:34.199 --> 00:47:36.519 describe what they were doing either, right, I mean, I 901 00:47:36.519 --> 00:47:38.679 couldn't say, oh, it's from the ali introductions and the 902 00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:41.840 grades that show it. Yeah, it's that's not even anywhere 903 00:47:41.880 --> 00:47:45.559 close to something I could have vocalized. And he says, well, 904 00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:48.679 something has clearly happened to her. Maybe somebody's you know, 905 00:47:48.719 --> 00:47:50.960 bugging her, bothered her at school, or done something to her, 906 00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:56.119 but yeah, she's been definitely been abused in some way. However, 907 00:47:56.639 --> 00:48:02.840 he says she's young, she'll forget and wow, that was 908 00:48:02.960 --> 00:48:04.840 the end of that. Now, this is in the sixties 909 00:48:04.880 --> 00:48:07.119 and seventies, so you know there was. 910 00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:10.360 No victims' advocates. 911 00:48:10.480 --> 00:48:14.119 Yeah. Yeah, it was usually if an adult says something, 912 00:48:14.159 --> 00:48:16.360 you believe the adult. If a child, you know, we 913 00:48:16.360 --> 00:48:17.800 were meant to be seen and not heard. 914 00:48:18.599 --> 00:48:21.280 So yeah, you weren't. 915 00:48:22.000 --> 00:48:26.199 You weren't like abused like in any kind of sexual way. 916 00:48:26.360 --> 00:48:26.599 Was it? 917 00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:31.440 Oh, by them by the aliens? Yes? But later not 918 00:48:31.519 --> 00:48:34.639 as No, I don't have any memories of being little, 919 00:48:34.639 --> 00:48:35.159 but yes. 920 00:48:35.239 --> 00:48:37.119 I don't need to jump ahead that And I'm sorry. 921 00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:38.920 No, no, that's all right, that's all right. I mean 922 00:48:39.400 --> 00:48:42.159 there's a progression to it, you know. I mean I 923 00:48:42.280 --> 00:48:45.079 was as a child, and I wasn't the only human there. 924 00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:48.679 I was the only child there, and you know, having 925 00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:51.880 just you know, I have a lot of opinions about 926 00:48:51.880 --> 00:48:53.760 these things because I've been around them my whole life, 927 00:48:53.800 --> 00:48:55.320 and I've had this happen in my whole life, and 928 00:48:55.360 --> 00:49:01.039 it's gone through different iterations. I had a hand I 929 00:49:01.159 --> 00:49:03.800 call him a handler. Sometimes I would call him Toby 930 00:49:03.840 --> 00:49:05.480 when I was little, but he didn't have a name. 931 00:49:06.079 --> 00:49:10.480 We had it like an imprint knowing, I knew who 932 00:49:10.480 --> 00:49:13.440 he was. He was, I always knew where to go 933 00:49:13.559 --> 00:49:16.960 when I was taken. Sometimes when I was taken, there's 934 00:49:17.639 --> 00:49:21.400 these underground facilities are where I was taken, and they're huge. 935 00:49:21.920 --> 00:49:25.639 They're massive. They're bigger than football stadiums and airports and 936 00:49:25.679 --> 00:49:28.519 everything you can think of put together. It's just I 937 00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:30.639 have no idea how big they are. All I can 938 00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:35.000 say is a just it's an unbelievably massive amount of 939 00:49:35.039 --> 00:49:39.920 stuff going on under our feet. There was one area 940 00:49:40.039 --> 00:49:43.519 quite often I would be taken, and it's a huge 941 00:49:43.599 --> 00:49:46.639 area and there's lots of people showing up there that 942 00:49:46.679 --> 00:49:50.400 have been taken. Everyone's in kind of like a dumbfounded state, 943 00:49:50.559 --> 00:49:53.239 like this brain fog kind of thing where no one's 944 00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:57.920 no one's even everyone's glassy eyed, and everyone's the you know, 945 00:49:58.480 --> 00:50:01.400 and you just kind of notice everyone. I mean, it's 946 00:50:01.440 --> 00:50:04.360 just no one talks to anyone, no one's everyone's just 947 00:50:04.760 --> 00:50:11.119 out of it. And I would always know. I would 948 00:50:11.159 --> 00:50:14.239 just feel where he was and nowhere to go. And 949 00:50:14.480 --> 00:50:17.000 this handler was a man. He appeared as a man. 950 00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:25.480 He was very tall, very big build, very square face, 951 00:50:26.400 --> 00:50:30.679 and looked military, you know, like looked like my friend 952 00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:33.360 Chad's gi Jo doll, you know, kind of growing up. 953 00:50:34.800 --> 00:50:37.960 Maybe he appeared that way because that's, you know, something 954 00:50:37.960 --> 00:50:40.039 that I have my Barbie dolls name Chad has g 955 00:50:40.159 --> 00:50:41.719 I Joe dolls and we play with those. So maybe 956 00:50:41.760 --> 00:50:44.159 that's where they came from. I don't know, but he 957 00:50:44.239 --> 00:50:47.800 was very He was always there with me. He was 958 00:50:47.920 --> 00:50:52.039 kind of it was like a little kid being groomed. 959 00:50:53.559 --> 00:50:58.119 He was always there too. I always felt safe knowing 960 00:50:58.159 --> 00:50:59.679 he was there because he's going to show you where 961 00:50:59.679 --> 00:51:02.400 I was to go. He's going to be there with me. 962 00:51:02.480 --> 00:51:05.079 There were other humans all over the place, there were 963 00:51:05.159 --> 00:51:08.960 other non humans all over the place, so I knew, 964 00:51:08.960 --> 00:51:13.239 and I was with him that these other entities weren't 965 00:51:13.719 --> 00:51:16.159 going to bother me or hurt me because he was 966 00:51:16.199 --> 00:51:16.960 going to protect me. 967 00:51:17.800 --> 00:51:18.000 Right. 968 00:51:19.039 --> 00:51:22.440 It's like that abusive situation where you know they give you, 969 00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:24.599 they do something nice to kind of keep you on 970 00:51:24.679 --> 00:51:27.519 the hook, even though the whole thing is really disgusting. 971 00:51:28.920 --> 00:51:32.800 It's kind of like that, and you know when you're 972 00:51:32.800 --> 00:51:36.079 taken from a young age. And I've spoken with so 973 00:51:36.159 --> 00:51:39.000 many people now who whose stories are just the same 974 00:51:39.039 --> 00:51:42.519 as mine. You know, I think different is our names 975 00:51:42.559 --> 00:51:44.400 and where we grew up and who we were with 976 00:51:44.440 --> 00:51:47.480 when we were taken or where we were taken from. 977 00:51:47.960 --> 00:51:49.840 People have identical stories to you. 978 00:51:51.519 --> 00:51:53.880 Wow, I mean as identical as you can you know, 979 00:51:54.039 --> 00:51:58.719 not the same, but as yeah, identical circum circumstances. Yeah, yeah, 980 00:51:59.000 --> 00:52:04.400 circumstance parallel lots and lots and lots, and it's and 981 00:52:04.440 --> 00:52:06.360 they have no reason to do that, you know, They're like, 982 00:52:06.400 --> 00:52:08.320 I don't want to share my name, but I want 983 00:52:08.320 --> 00:52:10.519 you to know. I just read your book, and I 984 00:52:10.639 --> 00:52:13.079 just read my whole life and I hear that over 985 00:52:13.199 --> 00:52:18.320 and over and over again. Wow, and especially from women, 986 00:52:18.920 --> 00:52:21.679 because we have a lot of similarities that happened later 987 00:52:21.719 --> 00:52:23.920 in my life I talk about in the book that 988 00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:27.880 are right about. But so this guy was always with me, 989 00:52:28.119 --> 00:52:30.480 and you know, so it was definitely a grooming thing 990 00:52:30.519 --> 00:52:33.000 where it was you taught how to act, you're taught 991 00:52:33.039 --> 00:52:35.639 where to go, you're taught not to talk about it, 992 00:52:35.880 --> 00:52:39.639 and you start to just get used to these entities 993 00:52:39.719 --> 00:52:43.400 being everywhere. You know that there were Nordic entities, there 994 00:52:43.400 --> 00:52:47.239 were Reptilian entities. There were the grays and not the 995 00:52:47.239 --> 00:52:49.880 grays that come and pick people up like the ones 996 00:52:49.920 --> 00:52:52.159 I experienced that would show up in my room. But 997 00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:54.679 the other grays that I think those little grays were 998 00:52:54.840 --> 00:53:00.079 modeled after, and the grays, the other grays, and all 999 00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:02.840 of them are like people in that they don't all 1000 00:53:02.880 --> 00:53:06.480 look the same. I think people think, oh, you're abducted 1001 00:53:06.519 --> 00:53:10.800 and there's like these six identical cookie cutter entities, and 1002 00:53:11.199 --> 00:53:14.159 you know, they're all Retellian or they're all Nordic, or 1003 00:53:14.199 --> 00:53:18.320 they're all gray, or they're all insectlin or whatever. That's 1004 00:53:18.360 --> 00:53:20.760 not the case. They all look different, but you can 1005 00:53:20.800 --> 00:53:25.079 tell that this is clearly this kind of like these 1006 00:53:25.079 --> 00:53:28.719 are all kinds of grays, but they have you know, 1007 00:53:28.760 --> 00:53:33.079 the ones that were there in those facilities that weren't 1008 00:53:33.079 --> 00:53:35.639 these little worker be ones. Which I have a lot 1009 00:53:35.679 --> 00:53:38.360 of opinions and thoughts on those based on my personal 1010 00:53:38.400 --> 00:53:41.280 experience that I can share that later or another time, 1011 00:53:41.280 --> 00:53:43.800 because that probably will get us off off topic. 1012 00:53:45.400 --> 00:53:46.920 Hey is your show today? Girlfriend? 1013 00:53:47.800 --> 00:53:50.840 You you. 1014 00:53:52.840 --> 00:53:55.519 Okay? And tell me yeah, just tell me to stop 1015 00:53:55.559 --> 00:53:57.679 if you want me to stop, because sometimes I get 1016 00:53:57.679 --> 00:54:01.960 on a roll and I forget we love it. Well, 1017 00:54:02.119 --> 00:54:04.440 So back to the grays, then I'll talk about that 1018 00:54:04.519 --> 00:54:07.960 a little bit. They all, you know, they're all different, 1019 00:54:07.960 --> 00:54:11.199 like people are so they had the regular grays, not 1020 00:54:11.280 --> 00:54:13.760 the ones that came to get me, But they had 1021 00:54:13.840 --> 00:54:16.920 facial expressions, you know, their faces wrinkled and moved, and 1022 00:54:17.000 --> 00:54:19.159 you could tell, you know, how they felt by the 1023 00:54:19.199 --> 00:54:22.239 way they looked at you. You their eyes moved like 1024 00:54:22.280 --> 00:54:24.599 those grays that picked up they're just like their eyes 1025 00:54:24.599 --> 00:54:27.280 were like a screen. They weren't like a real eye. 1026 00:54:27.360 --> 00:54:30.840 But the ones that were there when I was taken, 1027 00:54:31.239 --> 00:54:34.880 their eyes moved like they were almost full on black. 1028 00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:38.679 You could see some difference and some movement in there, 1029 00:54:38.719 --> 00:54:41.800 but it was like black on black kind of And 1030 00:54:42.199 --> 00:54:45.880 but they were big, still really big, and their faces 1031 00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:48.679 had expressions, and some of them looked more male than female. 1032 00:54:49.239 --> 00:54:51.639 Not that I think that they were particularly male or female, 1033 00:54:51.679 --> 00:54:54.519 because I never they never really explained any of that 1034 00:54:54.559 --> 00:54:56.440 to me, So I'm just based on what I saw. 1035 00:54:57.599 --> 00:55:00.119 Some were taller and really big, and some were small 1036 00:55:00.360 --> 00:55:02.960 and more frail and that kind of thing. So, you know, 1037 00:55:03.079 --> 00:55:05.400 just like people, they were all different, and the same 1038 00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:10.960 with the reptilians too. And my handler was who eventually 1039 00:55:11.079 --> 00:55:14.960 later I knew that he wasn't human because he would 1040 00:55:14.960 --> 00:55:18.480 sometimes look like he would phase in and out of 1041 00:55:18.519 --> 00:55:21.719 how he looked you know, i'd see it. It was 1042 00:55:21.800 --> 00:55:26.880 like seeing a what's it called a hologram? Thank you? Yeah, 1043 00:55:26.920 --> 00:55:29.079 it was almost like sometimes it would I could see 1044 00:55:29.079 --> 00:55:32.400 something else behind him, like do you look different? I 1045 00:55:32.440 --> 00:55:34.280 want to see what you really look like. I'm not 1046 00:55:34.360 --> 00:55:36.599 afraid of you. I'm fine with it. I want to 1047 00:55:36.639 --> 00:55:39.320 see what you really look like. And he was a 1048 00:55:39.360 --> 00:55:44.760 reptilian and not like some gross looking lizard. And I 1049 00:55:44.840 --> 00:55:47.119 like little lizards and frogs that I find in the backyard. 1050 00:55:47.159 --> 00:55:49.239 It's Texas, we have a lot of them. I've always 1051 00:55:49.239 --> 00:55:53.079 been fine with that. No, he you know, he was 1052 00:55:53.159 --> 00:55:55.119 beautiful in a way, and. 1053 00:55:55.559 --> 00:56:01.400 I reptilian looked beautiful. 1054 00:56:00.239 --> 00:56:03.199 Now he was. His skin was like opalescent, almost shimmery, 1055 00:56:03.280 --> 00:56:06.280 like jeweled almost. It was just so pretty. It was 1056 00:56:07.159 --> 00:56:11.800 colors like it's just so hard to describe. And from 1057 00:56:11.840 --> 00:56:12.480 what I've. 1058 00:56:12.280 --> 00:56:15.679 Heard is that, you know, not all reptilians, I mean, 1059 00:56:15.719 --> 00:56:19.840 in this this is something that's gonna get you know, convoluted. 1060 00:56:19.880 --> 00:56:21.519 So I'm not going to spend too much time saying this, 1061 00:56:21.639 --> 00:56:25.000 but you know a lot of people they have certain 1062 00:56:25.079 --> 00:56:30.199 reptilian experiences. And the stories that I hear is that 1063 00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:33.719 you know, like these races or different entities are not 1064 00:56:33.800 --> 00:56:37.239 necessarily all good or all bad, just like humans in 1065 00:56:37.280 --> 00:56:40.320 that way that maybe there could be like good reptilians 1066 00:56:40.440 --> 00:56:43.000 or or good I'm not going to go as far 1067 00:56:43.000 --> 00:56:45.199 as to say good demons, but you know what I. 1068 00:56:45.159 --> 00:56:53.280 Mean, right, Yeah, different shades of gray, right, but ye are. 1069 00:56:53.880 --> 00:56:55.760 But I think the whole thing about aliens being this 1070 00:56:55.880 --> 00:56:57.199 cookie cutter thing. 1071 00:56:57.559 --> 00:56:57.719 Right. 1072 00:56:57.760 --> 00:57:01.159 If I'm not mistaken me, if I'm wrong, people in 1073 00:57:01.199 --> 00:57:03.960 the chat, whatever, do your thing. But I believe the 1074 00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:07.079 first time that a quote unquote Martian was ever actually 1075 00:57:07.079 --> 00:57:10.440 shown on screen was by with Marvin Martian and Bugs 1076 00:57:10.440 --> 00:57:13.159 Bunny and if you remember what that was, the clone, 1077 00:57:13.159 --> 00:57:16.239 the little bird alien creature that he kept popping out 1078 00:57:16.239 --> 00:57:19.079 and he just kept pumping out more. I think that 1079 00:57:19.159 --> 00:57:21.599 most people just kind of assumed that that's just how 1080 00:57:21.639 --> 00:57:24.800 aliens go. They just have this one type, and that's 1081 00:57:24.840 --> 00:57:27.960 just what the story ran, right. We hear about these 1082 00:57:28.000 --> 00:57:30.480 little blue and little green men, little gray men, and 1083 00:57:30.519 --> 00:57:34.559 they just kind of get these features tattooed onto them 1084 00:57:34.599 --> 00:57:37.320 by society, by media, by whatever. The first image that 1085 00:57:37.360 --> 00:57:41.119 people saw growing up whatever, and boom, that is like 1086 00:57:41.199 --> 00:57:43.320 what we have locked in to be an alien. And 1087 00:57:43.400 --> 00:57:46.000 maybe there's antenna's maybe there's not, maybe there's three eyes, 1088 00:57:46.639 --> 00:57:49.239 slight differences here and there, but we all have the 1089 00:57:49.320 --> 00:57:52.079 general idea of what a quote unquote alien looks like. 1090 00:57:52.320 --> 00:57:55.639 Well, most people are not. Yeah, most people are never 1091 00:57:55.719 --> 00:57:57.960 going to come in contact with an alien, though, like 1092 00:57:58.039 --> 00:58:00.639 that's I would say, it's like the people who could 1093 00:58:00.679 --> 00:58:03.159 ever come in contact with an alien or a demon 1094 00:58:03.480 --> 00:58:06.159 or anything like that. I would say that we are 1095 00:58:06.280 --> 00:58:08.079 of the minority for sure. 1096 00:58:08.679 --> 00:58:13.320 For now, for now, for now, Allegedly, according to Fox 1097 00:58:13.400 --> 00:58:15.880 News and Seeing In and all these other big dogs, 1098 00:58:16.159 --> 00:58:18.800 there could be an alien mothership off of one of 1099 00:58:18.840 --> 00:58:21.119 Saturn's rings. Right now, we don't even know about it, 1100 00:58:21.119 --> 00:58:24.320 and we could spend five full days of mainstream media 1101 00:58:24.440 --> 00:58:26.199 talking about this thing, and then at the very end 1102 00:58:26.239 --> 00:58:28.320 till everybody, by the way, there's no evidence of this. 1103 00:58:28.559 --> 00:58:33.000 We just think it's possible. Who knows man. 1104 00:58:34.679 --> 00:58:37.159 Exactly. And that's what bothers me. I think the most 1105 00:58:37.199 --> 00:58:40.880 about it is that there's so much there's so many 1106 00:58:40.920 --> 00:58:43.480 assumptions out there, and there's so many people going, well, 1107 00:58:43.719 --> 00:58:47.920 we think possibly, blah blah, you know, But then there 1108 00:58:47.960 --> 00:58:51.920 are a lot of us who actually have had experience, 1109 00:58:52.320 --> 00:58:55.519 who've been in the presence of these things for a lifetime. 1110 00:58:56.000 --> 00:58:58.639 And there's nothing special about me. I'm just talking about it. 1111 00:58:58.639 --> 00:59:00.719 But there are a lot of us. I mean, more 1112 00:59:00.760 --> 00:59:04.360 than you think, probably, you know, if I had hazard, 1113 00:59:04.360 --> 00:59:06.639 A guess, I'd say about fifty percent of the populations 1114 00:59:06.679 --> 00:59:10.159 had some kind of if not at least contact, then 1115 00:59:10.480 --> 00:59:15.519 have seen something probably more honestly, but a huge percentage, 1116 00:59:16.920 --> 00:59:20.079 especially based on what I'm finding out as the deeper 1117 00:59:20.119 --> 00:59:23.559 I go into this and the more research that I'm doing, 1118 00:59:23.639 --> 00:59:26.079 because you've also have to remember, I've spent a lifetime 1119 00:59:26.119 --> 00:59:30.280 with not being able to look at anything about this, 1120 00:59:30.519 --> 00:59:33.000 not being able to research this stuff, not being able 1121 00:59:33.039 --> 00:59:36.039 to watch any shows or read any books, not even 1122 00:59:36.079 --> 00:59:39.320 being able to look out the windows at night because 1123 00:59:39.679 --> 00:59:47.360 the terror and the fear of accidentally bringing them in 1124 00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:51.360 is too deep, and accidentally looking at something and then 1125 00:59:51.440 --> 00:59:54.800 having nightmares, you know, when I can keep them, when 1126 00:59:54.800 --> 00:59:57.280 I could keep them out of my head. I wanted 1127 00:59:57.320 --> 01:00:00.320 to stay that way because it was so much a 1128 01:00:00.320 --> 01:00:03.880 part of my life, and so I never you know, 1129 01:00:04.119 --> 01:00:05.800 I never read any of the books or watch the 1130 01:00:05.800 --> 01:00:07.960 shows or wanted to do any of that stuff because 1131 01:00:08.000 --> 01:00:11.239 it was too triggering and it was too hard so 1132 01:00:11.519 --> 01:00:14.079 I'm just now, you know, now that I've been doing this, 1133 01:00:14.159 --> 01:00:16.320 of course, I'm doing more research and I'm learning more 1134 01:00:16.320 --> 01:00:19.840 and I'm talking to more people and to be well 1135 01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:22.920 enough educated as to what else is out there aside 1136 01:00:22.960 --> 01:00:26.880 from my own experience. But yeah, going back to what 1137 01:00:26.920 --> 01:00:31.360 I was saying, it just there's all these supposed experts 1138 01:00:31.440 --> 01:00:33.679 out there on all these new shows talking about all 1139 01:00:33.719 --> 01:00:36.000 this stuff, and I'm like, where are you getting your 1140 01:00:36.039 --> 01:00:37.159 information from? 1141 01:00:37.840 --> 01:00:41.280 That guy, David Grush, He's getting off his info from 1142 01:00:41.440 --> 01:00:45.039 third party sources and then gets the DoD approval to 1143 01:00:45.119 --> 01:00:47.840 talk about it. You know, yeah, that's totally real. 1144 01:00:48.400 --> 01:00:51.840 You know, I'm actually more on the side of believing 1145 01:00:51.920 --> 01:00:54.079 some of the things that he said. I've actually gone 1146 01:00:54.079 --> 01:00:56.400 through and I've sifted through some of the things he says. Dude, 1147 01:00:56.440 --> 01:00:59.159 he doesn't believe that these are like off planet entities. 1148 01:00:59.199 --> 01:01:03.119 He believes that they're their inner dimensional and that's way 1149 01:01:03.159 --> 01:01:04.159 more believable to me. 1150 01:01:05.039 --> 01:01:09.519 Everything everything he said, I'm saying, he is not a source. 1151 01:01:10.079 --> 01:01:12.239 He was told this information from other people, and he 1152 01:01:12.280 --> 01:01:15.360 didn't say anything that was like earth shattering. By the way, 1153 01:01:15.400 --> 01:01:18.280 there's aliens. Yeah, bro, we know they're right there. They've 1154 01:01:18.320 --> 01:01:20.920 been here forever. Yeah, once again, homeboy, we've been knowing this. 1155 01:01:21.000 --> 01:01:22.480 Thank you, Welcome to the party. 1156 01:01:22.519 --> 01:01:24.039 You know what I mean, Well, some people need to 1157 01:01:24.079 --> 01:01:27.880 hear that, you know, no government, Like like if we 1158 01:01:27.960 --> 01:01:30.280 say that there's one hundred percent aliens and we talk 1159 01:01:30.320 --> 01:01:32.639 about electro nick calling it out in the sky, or 1160 01:01:32.639 --> 01:01:36.159 we talk about my mushroom trips or your your experiences 1161 01:01:36.199 --> 01:01:38.920 as a child and seeing demons like that's one thing. 1162 01:01:39.000 --> 01:01:42.079 But if you hear like a government representative coming out 1163 01:01:42.079 --> 01:01:44.199 and saying it like a lot of people tend to 1164 01:01:44.760 --> 01:01:47.039 believe that a bit more. And that's really why I 1165 01:01:47.159 --> 01:01:49.079 like what Stephen Greer is doing so much. I don't 1166 01:01:49.079 --> 01:01:51.800 know if you're familiar with him, Karen, I am, but 1167 01:01:52.000 --> 01:01:55.639 he's been he's been kind of trying to at least like, uh, 1168 01:01:56.039 --> 01:01:59.199 get the government to like open up more about it 1169 01:01:59.239 --> 01:02:03.039 and not be so secretive. Could he be a controlled opposition? 1170 01:02:04.039 --> 01:02:05.760 Anybody could at this point, I'm just going to be 1171 01:02:05.880 --> 01:02:09.320 real with you. I don't know, but from what I've 1172 01:02:09.320 --> 01:02:12.760 read and the things that I've seen, he seems like, uh, 1173 01:02:13.000 --> 01:02:15.719 I don't know, maybe he's he's trying to get it 1174 01:02:15.760 --> 01:02:18.960 to be like more well known that these things are 1175 01:02:19.000 --> 01:02:21.199 actually happening, and he's trying to get the government to 1176 01:02:21.320 --> 01:02:23.880 like kind of loosen the noose on the whole conversation. 1177 01:02:24.119 --> 01:02:25.559 And I like that. 1178 01:02:26.480 --> 01:02:29.360 Yeah, Now I think you're right. I think people like Rush. 1179 01:02:29.519 --> 01:02:32.039 He's he seems credible. To me. I don't see any 1180 01:02:32.039 --> 01:02:34.800 reason not to believe him, because I'm not seeing any 1181 01:02:34.840 --> 01:02:37.960 personal gain for him in doing what he's doing. I 1182 01:02:38.000 --> 01:02:42.440 think he has just enough information to share credible facts 1183 01:02:42.480 --> 01:02:48.000 that he himself has verified, whether he first hand was 1184 01:02:48.239 --> 01:02:50.920 party two things, or whether he was getting it secondhand 1185 01:02:50.960 --> 01:02:53.280 but was able to verify it. And and I think 1186 01:02:53.320 --> 01:02:55.400 that that makes it more credible for the rest of us. 1187 01:02:55.400 --> 01:02:59.039 I think we need more of that, because they're just 1188 01:02:59.360 --> 01:03:04.360 we haven't had anything that brought it into the mainstream 1189 01:03:04.840 --> 01:03:09.440 light the way it has since the twenty seventeen York 1190 01:03:09.480 --> 01:03:12.800 Times article and then up to today with David Grush 1191 01:03:12.840 --> 01:03:16.920 bringing things to congressional committees and saying, yes, but I 1192 01:03:16.960 --> 01:03:19.000 can't talk to you about that here, but I can 1193 01:03:19.039 --> 01:03:20.400 talk to you about it in a skiff, or I 1194 01:03:20.440 --> 01:03:22.320 can talk to you about it, you know, behind closed doors. 1195 01:03:22.760 --> 01:03:26.679 It lends a certain amount of possible credibility, but it 1196 01:03:26.760 --> 01:03:31.639 then also lends a huge amount of space for people 1197 01:03:31.760 --> 01:03:34.599 to make assumptions. And it's like, you know, when you 1198 01:03:34.639 --> 01:03:38.400 say biological material non human, do you mean that you 1199 01:03:38.480 --> 01:03:41.559 found cats or do you mean that you found non 1200 01:03:41.639 --> 01:03:45.639 human alien entities? What are you talking about your. 1201 01:03:45.400 --> 01:03:47.880 Plant organic non human matter? 1202 01:03:48.360 --> 01:03:49.920 Exactly an in front of record. 1203 01:03:50.000 --> 01:03:52.079 I'm not saying that I hate Grush and I don't. 1204 01:03:52.199 --> 01:03:55.079 I'm not over here just shitting on him, like no, no, no, no. 1205 01:03:55.159 --> 01:03:59.639 I think that he is a spokesperson. Yeah, okay, I don't. 1206 01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:03.360 You don't shit all over a news reporter for reporting 1207 01:04:03.400 --> 01:04:05.559 what's on their teleprompter. Now, if they go off key 1208 01:04:05.599 --> 01:04:07.360 and they give their own two cents about it, I 1209 01:04:07.440 --> 01:04:09.920 might dislike them as a person after that. Fine, Fine, 1210 01:04:09.920 --> 01:04:12.199 I can form my own opinion. I'm not saying that 1211 01:04:12.280 --> 01:04:16.760 Grush is, you know, in on it and he's he's 1212 01:04:16.880 --> 01:04:20.480 totally evil, like no, no, no, Look, he's probably just a 1213 01:04:20.559 --> 01:04:24.159 low level government agent that has a good speaking voice 1214 01:04:24.199 --> 01:04:27.280 that people naturally would tend to trust and they're like, hey, buddy, 1215 01:04:27.599 --> 01:04:30.559 you're gonna become really famous. Here's a lot of things 1216 01:04:30.599 --> 01:04:32.159 that we want you to read off and go for it. 1217 01:04:32.159 --> 01:04:35.519 And he's not saying that he's not lying, he is 1218 01:04:35.639 --> 01:04:38.679 relaying the information that he was given to relay. I'm 1219 01:04:38.679 --> 01:04:41.119 not shitting on it. But again, like you said, it 1220 01:04:41.239 --> 01:04:44.519 lead the fact that it's the government, and Jonathan, you're right. 1221 01:04:44.639 --> 01:04:48.480 To certain people, the government saying dot dot dot makes 1222 01:04:48.519 --> 01:04:51.519 them have a warm and fuzzy feeling inside. They're like, oh, oh, 1223 01:04:51.599 --> 01:04:54.000 what the government came out. It's got to be real. Meanwhile, 1224 01:04:54.039 --> 01:04:56.199 the other half of the country, and I actually do 1225 01:04:56.239 --> 01:04:59.400 believe it's half and not conspiracy, not truth, or just 1226 01:04:59.440 --> 01:05:02.760 the half with brainstems that are connected, right, they're like, oh, wait, 1227 01:05:02.800 --> 01:05:05.039 the government said it. Oh we need to do the opposite. 1228 01:05:05.159 --> 01:05:07.880 Oh my god, that's a horrible idea. My point is 1229 01:05:07.920 --> 01:05:12.000 there's either way you go. There's gonna be people trying 1230 01:05:12.039 --> 01:05:14.719 to disprove you either side of the aisle you're on. 1231 01:05:14.920 --> 01:05:17.679 So I see him as what he is and not 1232 01:05:18.599 --> 01:05:20.719 what he's what people are making him out to be. 1233 01:05:20.840 --> 01:05:23.639 You see what I'm saying, absolutely able to look. 1234 01:05:23.519 --> 01:05:28.079 At like anybody's accounts of aliens or UFOs or anything 1235 01:05:28.159 --> 01:05:30.679 like that with a healthy amount of skepticism, and I 1236 01:05:30.719 --> 01:05:31.639 think that's all you're doing. 1237 01:05:32.000 --> 01:05:35.000 Put it like this, I trust Bob Lazar's word over 1238 01:05:35.239 --> 01:05:39.280 David Grush, oh for sure. Now some people will say, oh, well, 1239 01:05:39.360 --> 01:05:41.519 Lazarre he blah blah blah blah, it's not real, you 1240 01:05:41.599 --> 01:05:46.280 know what. That's firsthand, that's first hand account. Grushes is 1241 01:05:46.400 --> 01:05:50.920 at best second or third. So I'm sorry, Bob, Lazar's 1242 01:05:50.920 --> 01:05:51.960 got more of my attention, man. 1243 01:05:52.559 --> 01:05:56.039 And the thing with any of them is if they didn't, 1244 01:05:56.079 --> 01:05:58.039 if the powers to be, the governments and the agencies 1245 01:05:58.039 --> 01:06:00.360 and the three Letter Agencies or whoever is in of 1246 01:06:00.440 --> 01:06:03.400 this topic right now didn't want them to speak, they 1247 01:06:03.440 --> 01:06:05.800 wouldn't be speaking about it. They're only speaking because there 1248 01:06:05.880 --> 01:06:09.280 is a very specific permission given for this information to 1249 01:06:09.280 --> 01:06:11.000 be out there, because trust me, if they don't want 1250 01:06:11.039 --> 01:06:13.440 it out there, they will stop it. The only reason 1251 01:06:13.519 --> 01:06:15.519 I'm allowed to be speaking about this right now is 1252 01:06:15.599 --> 01:06:18.480 because so much of this is already out there, and 1253 01:06:19.719 --> 01:06:26.159 there is so much you know, there's so much negativity 1254 01:06:26.159 --> 01:06:29.440 towards someone who releases information like I have, who shares 1255 01:06:29.480 --> 01:06:32.639 information like I have. You know, I'm not looked at 1256 01:06:32.880 --> 01:06:38.239 as a you know, as Yeah, I'm not looked at 1257 01:06:38.320 --> 01:06:42.239 as someone who's with respect that it should be given. 1258 01:06:42.559 --> 01:06:44.159 Let's put it that way. I'm trying to find a 1259 01:06:44.239 --> 01:06:45.800 nice way to put it, you know what I mean. 1260 01:06:45.840 --> 01:06:48.639 And all I'm doing is telling the truth, and all 1261 01:06:48.679 --> 01:06:50.960 I'm doing is taking is being brave enough to share 1262 01:06:51.000 --> 01:06:53.679 what so many other people you know want to share 1263 01:06:53.880 --> 01:06:56.880 but are comfortable. And I understand that, I understand not 1264 01:06:56.880 --> 01:06:59.199 wanting to share it. Trust me. We're trained from a 1265 01:06:59.199 --> 01:07:01.280 young age. I was try from a young age not 1266 01:07:01.440 --> 01:07:03.880 to talk about this, but like I said, that near 1267 01:07:03.920 --> 01:07:08.840 death experience changed everything for me, and I am not 1268 01:07:09.119 --> 01:07:12.480 going to spend what time I have left on this 1269 01:07:12.559 --> 01:07:15.840 earth not sharing the truth about what I know about 1270 01:07:15.840 --> 01:07:20.079 these entities and about what happened to me, because I 1271 01:07:20.280 --> 01:07:23.920 don't want any more. I don't want the truth to 1272 01:07:23.960 --> 01:07:27.000 be obfuscated. If I can help it, you know, if 1273 01:07:27.039 --> 01:07:29.079 I can be a part of the clarity, then then 1274 01:07:29.320 --> 01:07:32.119 that's what I want to do. And I'm not afraid anymore. 1275 01:07:32.280 --> 01:07:37.840 I mean, I am very protective of my family, and 1276 01:07:37.920 --> 01:07:40.960 if I didn't have my faith that I have right now, 1277 01:07:41.480 --> 01:07:43.800 I definitely wouldn't be able to do this, that's for sure. 1278 01:07:44.360 --> 01:07:47.920 So your experience, and you say that you're kind of 1279 01:07:48.400 --> 01:07:53.760 going in these like kind of underground tunnels, underground areas, cities, 1280 01:07:53.800 --> 01:07:55.679 whatever you want to call them, I mean, is that 1281 01:07:57.119 --> 01:07:59.440 does that kind of line up with like what hell 1282 01:07:59.599 --> 01:07:59.960 might be. 1283 01:08:01.199 --> 01:08:03.920 Oh gosh, that's a good question. I don't know, because 1284 01:08:04.360 --> 01:08:06.480 I don't really think I was in any kind of 1285 01:08:06.519 --> 01:08:10.320 a hell and it you know, for me, I think 1286 01:08:11.199 --> 01:08:17.399 the biblical hell is not being able to spend eternity 1287 01:08:17.680 --> 01:08:20.159 with the love and the peace and the grace that 1288 01:08:20.199 --> 01:08:23.840 I had, you know, when I had my experience with 1289 01:08:24.319 --> 01:08:27.680 our Creator, with our Savior. So when you look at 1290 01:08:27.720 --> 01:08:31.079 hell as an absence of love, an absence of peace, 1291 01:08:31.840 --> 01:08:35.399 I was never without love and peace. Even though I 1292 01:08:35.479 --> 01:08:37.560 was tortured, even though I was tormented, even though it 1293 01:08:37.600 --> 01:08:40.720 wasn't a pleasant thing that was happening to me, even 1294 01:08:40.760 --> 01:08:44.359 though I was kidnapped and raped and had children ripped 1295 01:08:44.359 --> 01:08:47.239 from my womb, It's still God was still with me, 1296 01:08:48.079 --> 01:08:51.920 you know, and I still there was always still that 1297 01:08:52.000 --> 01:08:58.199 shred of knowing that I wasn't damned or I wasn't 1298 01:08:58.439 --> 01:09:01.039 going to have a lifetime of this. Whatever was happening 1299 01:09:01.079 --> 01:09:02.920 was happening in the moment. Because we live in a 1300 01:09:02.960 --> 01:09:05.319 fallen world. We live in a simple world. We live 1301 01:09:05.319 --> 01:09:07.279 in a world that I can't control what other people 1302 01:09:07.319 --> 01:09:11.800 are doing, and I was being taken advantage of by 1303 01:09:12.000 --> 01:09:16.640 entities who were fallen and who were not still with God, 1304 01:09:16.680 --> 01:09:19.760 who were not still We're not doing good. 1305 01:09:19.600 --> 01:09:22.960 Right, I'm sorry there children ripped from your womb. 1306 01:09:24.119 --> 01:09:27.039 Yeah, so that was a little rough to say, Jesus. 1307 01:09:27.119 --> 01:09:29.640 Sometimes it's easier to say it that way than to 1308 01:09:29.720 --> 01:09:32.119 actually go down the road of that. We can go 1309 01:09:32.159 --> 01:09:36.640 down that path. It's fine, No, I mean, this is 1310 01:09:37.000 --> 01:09:40.960 this is really important because I have, since I've shared 1311 01:09:41.000 --> 01:09:45.760 my information spoken then with so many women who who 1312 01:09:45.800 --> 01:09:49.159 have gone through this exact same scenario that I have 1313 01:09:49.359 --> 01:09:55.359 with the pregnancies in two thousand and twenty I think 1314 01:09:55.359 --> 01:09:57.520 it was twenty two. I haven't in the book, and 1315 01:09:57.720 --> 01:09:58.920 I can look it up, but I don't want to 1316 01:09:58.960 --> 01:10:01.960 go searching for it. A report was released by the 1317 01:10:01.960 --> 01:10:07.039 government about acute and sub acute anomalist side effects basically 1318 01:10:07.039 --> 01:10:12.159 of people who I've been exposed to alien entities, non 1319 01:10:12.199 --> 01:10:15.119 human entities for lack of a better word. They put 1320 01:10:15.119 --> 01:10:17.640 a really long, complicated title on it. It's a huge 1321 01:10:17.680 --> 01:10:19.439 report and no one's going to take the time to 1322 01:10:19.479 --> 01:10:23.760 go through it. But Tecker Carl said did and he 1323 01:10:23.840 --> 01:10:26.600 needed a report. Says it sounds like the stuff of 1324 01:10:26.680 --> 01:10:31.079 sci fi and you know, and missing pregnancies, and the government, 1325 01:10:31.239 --> 01:10:34.079 the government actually confirmed the things that I wrote about. 1326 01:10:34.119 --> 01:10:36.119 I'd already written about this, I'd already talked about this 1327 01:10:36.199 --> 01:10:39.119 with La Marzuli, and now you know, at this point 1328 01:10:39.159 --> 01:10:41.239 I was able to add it into the book, thank goodness. 1329 01:10:41.239 --> 01:10:46.960 But they I've had missing pregnancies happened since I was 1330 01:10:47.000 --> 01:10:51.800 able to have children. The first time it happened, I 1331 01:10:51.880 --> 01:10:55.479 was married. It was my first pregnancy. I was very excited. 1332 01:10:56.199 --> 01:10:59.560 I went to the doctor, confirmed pregnancy, got my prescription 1333 01:11:00.199 --> 01:11:04.159 or vitamins. They confirmed everything. Back then, it was blood 1334 01:11:04.159 --> 01:11:06.800 tests and you know, you get to hear at some 1335 01:11:06.880 --> 01:11:10.520 point a heartbeat. Not the first visit, obviously, but you 1336 01:11:10.560 --> 01:11:13.439 had to get prescriptions for your vitamins back then too, 1337 01:11:13.520 --> 01:11:16.079 and everything. I'm dating myself a little more here, but 1338 01:11:16.119 --> 01:11:22.520 that's all right. And about the beginning of the second trimester, 1339 01:11:22.840 --> 01:11:26.640 I woke up at night and I was my stomach 1340 01:11:26.720 --> 01:11:29.680 hurt really bad, but I was not bleeding. I was 1341 01:11:29.720 --> 01:11:32.079 spotting a tiny bit, but nothing came out of me. 1342 01:11:32.840 --> 01:11:36.079 So my husband at the time took me to the 1343 01:11:36.119 --> 01:11:40.720 emergency room. You know back then that doctors weren't all connected. 1344 01:11:40.840 --> 01:11:43.439 We didn't have computers, and everybody's office. Everything was still 1345 01:11:43.439 --> 01:11:48.239 on paper. I go into the er and they you know, 1346 01:11:49.239 --> 01:11:51.920 did a doppler thing and there was no heartbeat. And 1347 01:11:52.159 --> 01:11:54.760 they did an ultrasound and there was no baby. And 1348 01:11:55.560 --> 01:11:58.399 they did a test and I still had pregnancy hormones 1349 01:11:58.439 --> 01:12:01.239 in my system, and they did a d n C 1350 01:12:01.479 --> 01:12:04.239 and there was no fetal tissue at all in my 1351 01:12:05.000 --> 01:12:14.079 none whoa zero? And that you know, that's where they Sorry, 1352 01:12:14.079 --> 01:12:17.960 someone walked in the room. Okay, good timing. 1353 01:12:18.119 --> 01:12:21.880 So many follow up questions to this, Oh my god, and. 1354 01:12:21.800 --> 01:12:24.880 It's not Yeah, And some of my friends who've talked 1355 01:12:24.880 --> 01:12:28.680 to me about their similar experiences, would they still have 1356 01:12:28.920 --> 01:12:33.119 like the placenta would still be or the amniotic sack 1357 01:12:33.199 --> 01:12:37.880 or different things, random things that would never be left behind, right, 1358 01:12:39.000 --> 01:12:42.880 but not the baby anyway. But go ahead, okay, okay, okay, 1359 01:12:43.039 --> 01:12:44.720 this is a really hard one we talk about. So 1360 01:12:44.720 --> 01:12:46.359 I'm glad that you have questions because it gives me 1361 01:12:46.399 --> 01:12:46.840 a second. 1362 01:12:47.199 --> 01:12:49.479 Oh yeah, No, I'm sorry, I'm sorry for you. Take 1363 01:12:49.520 --> 01:12:52.479 a minute. It's all good. No, No, you asked, so 1364 01:12:52.640 --> 01:12:54.800 you were you said, how far along in your pregnancy 1365 01:12:54.840 --> 01:12:57.159 at this time before, like when everything was still going good? 1366 01:12:57.239 --> 01:13:00.680 Last doctor visit was all normal, good? How far were you. 1367 01:13:01.159 --> 01:13:03.960 End of the first trimester? Started the second trimester, so 1368 01:13:04.119 --> 01:13:06.760 in the third to fourth month, you know, okay, that's 1369 01:13:07.039 --> 01:13:08.720 it's a forty weeks, so you're looking at you know, 1370 01:13:08.800 --> 01:13:11.000 kind of twelve to thirteen weeks is the end of 1371 01:13:11.000 --> 01:13:12.239 the first trimester. 1372 01:13:12.239 --> 01:13:14.920 Okay, And so when you went and how long was 1373 01:13:14.960 --> 01:13:17.079 it between these two doctors the last time you saw 1374 01:13:17.119 --> 01:13:19.399 that everything was good and then you came in because 1375 01:13:19.399 --> 01:13:21.239 of the spotting correct net. 1376 01:13:21.359 --> 01:13:26.000 Yeah, so the first visit would be the one where 1377 01:13:26.039 --> 01:13:28.840 I realized I was pregnant, which was very early on, 1378 01:13:29.039 --> 01:13:32.560 probably you know, my four to six weeks at that point, 1379 01:13:33.000 --> 01:13:35.840 and we didn't have these easy to get over the 1380 01:13:35.840 --> 01:13:39.880 counter piano stick things, you know. Yeah, I mean they 1381 01:13:39.920 --> 01:13:42.199 came out I think around that time, and they were 1382 01:13:42.239 --> 01:13:44.439 I think they were pretty expensive, I remember, right. I 1383 01:13:44.520 --> 01:13:46.199 know by the end of this I would buy like 1384 01:13:46.239 --> 01:13:48.760 ten of those at a time because I never believed 1385 01:13:48.760 --> 01:13:51.800 I was pregnant even when I was, you know. And anyway, 1386 01:13:52.800 --> 01:13:57.039 so yeah, so into a doctor's pointment sometimes would have 1387 01:13:57.439 --> 01:14:00.560 two because usually there's the first one and then the second 1388 01:14:00.560 --> 01:14:02.359 one is right at the end of the first trimester. 1389 01:14:02.520 --> 01:14:05.159 Usually It just depends on your doctor. It's not always 1390 01:14:05.199 --> 01:14:07.760 the same. It's not the same with every doctor. So 1391 01:14:07.920 --> 01:14:10.560 usually there would be at least two appointments by that 1392 01:14:10.600 --> 01:14:11.279 point in time. 1393 01:14:11.840 --> 01:14:15.039 Okay, so multiple appointments, at least at least a couple 1394 01:14:15.920 --> 01:14:18.079 and you go in because the spotting and there is 1395 01:14:18.439 --> 01:14:19.199 not only. 1396 01:14:19.399 --> 01:14:22.880 It was really the pain. Honestly, with the limited the 1397 01:14:22.960 --> 01:14:26.680 little bit of spotting ahead, I would not have been concerned, okay, 1398 01:14:26.800 --> 01:14:29.399 because that's normal to have a little bit sometimes it's 1399 01:14:29.439 --> 01:14:33.920 just things that happen. The pain, the pain intense. 1400 01:14:34.520 --> 01:14:38.399 Okay, So I know people are no women, excuse me, 1401 01:14:38.399 --> 01:14:40.199 I want to say people, because not all people have 1402 01:14:40.279 --> 01:14:42.479 ovaries no matter what, quote unquote matter. 1403 01:14:43.439 --> 01:14:48.239 No matter what there are, they're called vagina owners. 1404 01:14:48.279 --> 01:14:51.720 Now, okay, look, I'm sorry. Men can't have periods, and 1405 01:14:51.760 --> 01:14:56.600 I will stand by that. Sorry. Anyway, women that I 1406 01:14:56.640 --> 01:14:59.720 know who have dealt with ovari insists in the past, 1407 01:14:59.760 --> 01:15:02.279 and they have said about how much pain they are 1408 01:15:02.319 --> 01:15:04.680 in when these things rupture, all these things. I know 1409 01:15:04.880 --> 01:15:08.039 multiple women who have had natural childbirth all the stuff. 1410 01:15:09.640 --> 01:15:10.920 So this was this level of pain. 1411 01:15:12.079 --> 01:15:15.199 Oh yeah, I've had this strupture. I mean I've had 1412 01:15:15.960 --> 01:15:19.680 natural childbirth I've had, you know, three children and and 1413 01:15:20.640 --> 01:15:23.560 done it all the different ways. And the big proponent 1414 01:15:23.800 --> 01:15:28.079 of the drugs, I'm just saying, not drugs in general, people, 1415 01:15:28.119 --> 01:15:31.239 I'm talking about the the ones you get to help 1416 01:15:31.279 --> 01:15:33.239 you through childbirth, right. 1417 01:15:33.199 --> 01:15:33.960 Epidurals and. 1418 01:15:37.159 --> 01:15:39.960 Of natural childbirth. I think that's amazing when the women 1419 01:15:40.000 --> 01:15:42.000 who do it are incredible. 1420 01:15:42.399 --> 01:15:43.600 I think also. 1421 01:15:44.000 --> 01:15:46.479 As a man, realize that I will never be in 1422 01:15:46.479 --> 01:15:49.239 a position to get an epidural or not, so I 1423 01:15:49.279 --> 01:15:52.720 also recognize that my opinion is null and void on 1424 01:15:52.800 --> 01:15:54.680 this entire talk. 1425 01:15:54.800 --> 01:15:56.560 For that, I appreciate that women. 1426 01:15:58.560 --> 01:15:58.760 Don't. 1427 01:15:58.800 --> 01:16:00.800 They say it's like equivalent to being kicked in the 1428 01:16:00.880 --> 01:16:02.159 nuts like a thousand times. 1429 01:16:03.760 --> 01:16:06.880 It's like taking your bottom lip and ripping it over 1430 01:16:06.960 --> 01:16:09.520 the back of your skull and then having someone tell 1431 01:16:09.560 --> 01:16:18.880 you smile for the fucking camera Jesus coming through the 1432 01:16:18.920 --> 01:16:22.800 front end of you. As a man, from what I 1433 01:16:23.039 --> 01:16:25.479 have been explained, that's like the best way to describe 1434 01:16:25.479 --> 01:16:27.840 the pain and all, like what it's like for us, 1435 01:16:27.880 --> 01:16:32.159 you and I, it's that's unimaginable, that's that's unfathomable things. 1436 01:16:32.199 --> 01:16:34.000 But for women it's like, oh, y'all don't even know, 1437 01:16:34.039 --> 01:16:43.680 and it's like, you know what, You're right, and I'm. 1438 01:16:40.279 --> 01:16:41.880 Just happy we live in a day and age where 1439 01:16:41.880 --> 01:16:43.600 we don't have to get the Q tips up our 1440 01:16:43.680 --> 01:16:46.399 p hole for STD checks, you know what I mean. Like, 1441 01:16:46.479 --> 01:16:48.560 I hear that that used to be pretty brutal back 1442 01:16:48.560 --> 01:16:52.319 in the day, thank god, you know, in the day. 1443 01:16:54.520 --> 01:17:00.760 Early two thousands. Yeah, look, thank god met modern medicine 1444 01:17:00.800 --> 01:17:03.479 has come as far as it's come. But in another regard, 1445 01:17:04.039 --> 01:17:06.159 I'm really upset the modern midicine has come as far 1446 01:17:06.159 --> 01:17:08.479 as it's come, you know, I mean different fields, different 1447 01:17:08.520 --> 01:17:13.159 areas of discipline. But yeah, all right, So anyway back 1448 01:17:13.199 --> 01:17:15.760 to the whole you having a child ripped from your womb. 1449 01:17:15.840 --> 01:17:16.920 Let's let's stay on topics. 1450 01:17:16.920 --> 01:17:18.600 We've gone around, and that was me being a little 1451 01:17:18.920 --> 01:17:21.600 dramatic about it. But you know, I get upset because 1452 01:17:21.640 --> 01:17:25.000 people think, oh, these are benevolent space brothers. I'm like, really, 1453 01:17:25.199 --> 01:17:28.760 and what's your basis for comparison because mine's pretty specific. 1454 01:17:29.359 --> 01:17:31.680 Yeah, So okay, let me ask you know, there was 1455 01:17:31.720 --> 01:17:35.600 no scarring, there was no nerve damage, there was no 1456 01:17:35.760 --> 01:17:40.279 markings on your body whatsoever. After this abduction, after this 1457 01:17:40.399 --> 01:17:42.600 whole situation, when you go back in to say, hey, 1458 01:17:42.600 --> 01:17:44.000 I need to check in on my baby, and they're like, 1459 01:17:44.039 --> 01:17:44.600 what baby. 1460 01:17:46.520 --> 01:17:49.359 Oh wow. And one time they were just like they 1461 01:17:49.359 --> 01:17:51.920 were so confused. They're like they were convinced it had 1462 01:17:51.960 --> 01:17:55.239 to be a tubal pregnancy, and so they're like, in 1463 01:17:55.640 --> 01:17:57.960 looking in my fallopian tubes. One, there's got to be 1464 01:17:57.960 --> 01:18:00.399 a baby here somewhere, I mean, you know. And then 1465 01:18:00.439 --> 01:18:03.000 they're always, you know, theyre always have the well, we 1466 01:18:03.039 --> 01:18:06.279 don't know what happened explanation, but clearly there's an explanation. 1467 01:18:06.399 --> 01:18:08.399 I just don't know what that is. So it was 1468 01:18:08.439 --> 01:18:12.159 always absorbed the baby or my favorite is you lost 1469 01:18:12.159 --> 01:18:15.279 the baby, you just didn't realize it. And every woman 1470 01:18:15.279 --> 01:18:18.239 I've talked to him like, do you think that's possible? No, 1471 01:18:18.720 --> 01:18:23.000 it's not. You're going to know. I'm sorry, And you know, 1472 01:18:23.079 --> 01:18:25.319 the biggest no offense to you guys are the biggest 1473 01:18:25.920 --> 01:18:28.600 issues I get from people when I have these conversations, 1474 01:18:28.600 --> 01:18:30.840 and I'll get like negative comments. Will be men going 1475 01:18:31.199 --> 01:18:33.680 there's no you just lost a baby. Didn't know. I'm like, 1476 01:18:33.840 --> 01:18:36.359 how can you? How do you know? What's your basis 1477 01:18:36.359 --> 01:18:39.840 for comparison? You know? So anyway, because it is so 1478 01:18:40.680 --> 01:18:44.000 you know, it is such a as a parent as 1479 01:18:44.039 --> 01:18:46.920 a man or a woman. To lose a child is 1480 01:18:47.000 --> 01:18:53.720 one of the most emotionally got wrenching things you can 1481 01:18:53.760 --> 01:18:58.319 ever go through. And not to be able to memorialize 1482 01:18:58.319 --> 01:19:00.560 that child, not to know what happened to that child, 1483 01:19:00.600 --> 01:19:02.199 not to be able to bury that child, not to 1484 01:19:02.199 --> 01:19:05.880 be able to you know, I know what happened to 1485 01:19:05.880 --> 01:19:11.319 that child is it was just the emotion that goes 1486 01:19:11.359 --> 01:19:12.760 along with that, the pain. 1487 01:19:13.439 --> 01:19:17.840 Yeah, is incredible, heart break I can. 1488 01:19:19.119 --> 01:19:22.560 And now I just now. I talk so many women 1489 01:19:23.279 --> 01:19:25.600 I have reached out to me with who have had 1490 01:19:25.600 --> 01:19:29.640 these experiences like this, and they're like, and they're so 1491 01:19:29.800 --> 01:19:33.199 relieved that there's someone else who has is talking about 1492 01:19:33.239 --> 01:19:35.800 it because they're like, I was always afraid to talk 1493 01:19:35.840 --> 01:19:37.800 about it because everyone say something crazy when I try 1494 01:19:37.840 --> 01:19:40.039 to talk about this, But this happened to me too, 1495 01:19:40.079 --> 01:19:42.720 and it's just like, you're not crazy. It happened. 1496 01:19:42.760 --> 01:19:44.680 Now, was this your first pregnancy? 1497 01:19:45.279 --> 01:19:49.399 That one? Yes, okay, but then it happened again. 1498 01:19:50.359 --> 01:19:52.720 You know, this happened multiple times? 1499 01:19:52.880 --> 01:19:55.199 Oh yeah, three of them that I had confirmed, and 1500 01:19:55.359 --> 01:19:57.600 beyond that, it would get to the point where I 1501 01:19:57.600 --> 01:19:59.680 wouldn't even go into the doctor until I get to 1502 01:19:59.680 --> 01:20:02.760 a certain point because it was too hard, and it 1503 01:20:02.800 --> 01:20:06.600 was easier to pretend I wasn't pregnant until it got 1504 01:20:06.600 --> 01:20:09.199 to a certain point and then I go in and 1505 01:20:09.760 --> 01:20:11.760 because if it got past a certain point, then I 1506 01:20:11.880 --> 01:20:14.960 knew that that was it was going to be, okay, 1507 01:20:15.960 --> 01:20:17.720 I wasn't going to lose that baby or whatever, so 1508 01:20:17.920 --> 01:20:20.279 you know, or it was going to go missing or whatever. 1509 01:20:20.439 --> 01:20:27.199 So it definitely definitely was. I even't got my tubes 1510 01:20:27.239 --> 01:20:31.640 tied after my second child because I thought that would 1511 01:20:31.680 --> 01:20:33.079 stop it, but it didn't stop it. 1512 01:20:34.079 --> 01:20:37.079 So even after your tubes getting tied, you still were 1513 01:20:37.119 --> 01:20:41.720 able to conceive, and you still were losing them due 1514 01:20:41.760 --> 01:20:46.359 to these entities. Now, let me ask you this follow 1515 01:20:46.439 --> 01:20:49.680 up to the follow ups here. Okay, you're saying that 1516 01:20:49.800 --> 01:20:53.680 this first experience was in the transition between first trimester 1517 01:20:53.720 --> 01:20:56.800 and second trimester. I'm with you. These other ones that 1518 01:20:56.840 --> 01:20:59.720 you had, when were they in the in vitro process? 1519 01:21:00.279 --> 01:21:02.800 Yeah, all same. I mean it's so hard to pinpoint 1520 01:21:02.800 --> 01:21:05.760 the date because I would never know what data got pregnant, 1521 01:21:05.800 --> 01:21:09.399 and especially because what was happening is my eggs were 1522 01:21:09.439 --> 01:21:14.760 being harvested. However, these embryos are being created, was then 1523 01:21:15.079 --> 01:21:17.800 being put back into me so for me to know 1524 01:21:18.439 --> 01:21:21.439 that from the time I found out it would be 1525 01:21:21.479 --> 01:21:24.000 around the end of the first trimester. Yeah, and it 1526 01:21:24.039 --> 01:21:27.119 was always about the same time. And interestingly enough, that's 1527 01:21:27.159 --> 01:21:29.600 the point at which the human body is designed to 1528 01:21:29.840 --> 01:21:33.920 reject an embryo if there's something wrong with it. So 1529 01:21:34.439 --> 01:21:38.920 they clearly knew that. I'm obviously they're very intelligent that 1530 01:21:39.000 --> 01:21:41.399 if they didn't take it by that point in time, 1531 01:21:42.319 --> 01:21:45.479 that the body would just reject it anyway and it 1532 01:21:45.479 --> 01:21:47.720 would end up, you know, and you can't tell when 1533 01:21:47.760 --> 01:21:50.279 it's that small what it is. I mean, really, you know, 1534 01:21:50.359 --> 01:21:53.159 if there was something, if there was a slight difference, 1535 01:21:53.239 --> 01:21:55.439 if it was a hybrid or a human, it would 1536 01:21:55.439 --> 01:21:58.520 be very hard to tell for just a normal lay person, 1537 01:21:58.680 --> 01:22:01.840 not for a doctor, I'm sure, but so and then 1538 01:22:02.319 --> 01:22:03.399 it was you think that. 1539 01:22:03.319 --> 01:22:06.640 They were using you as a host to try to 1540 01:22:06.680 --> 01:22:08.359 give birth to hybrid children. 1541 01:22:08.399 --> 01:22:11.319 I know they were because I held one of those. 1542 01:22:11.760 --> 01:22:15.239 I have very vivid memory of holding one. I don't 1543 01:22:15.279 --> 01:22:17.319 know how often this might have happened, but I have 1544 01:22:17.359 --> 01:22:19.479 a vivid memory of one time when they took me, 1545 01:22:19.640 --> 01:22:22.600 and then I also saw three of them much later. 1546 01:22:23.479 --> 01:22:26.359 So okay, I'm going to get really weird here, and 1547 01:22:26.399 --> 01:22:30.640 I'm sure maybe I don't. 1548 01:22:30.479 --> 01:22:34.439 Think so, but is the progeny of human and an 1549 01:22:34.479 --> 01:22:39.479 angel and I believe these are angelic beings because they're 1550 01:22:39.520 --> 01:22:42.279 just not human, and the other entities that we know 1551 01:22:42.319 --> 01:22:45.680 that God created we call them angels. It's a misnomer. 1552 01:22:45.920 --> 01:22:48.800 They're just the other beings, right, And so you're not 1553 01:22:48.800 --> 01:22:51.399 supposed to cross the two. It's like crossing the streams. 1554 01:22:51.399 --> 01:22:55.159 You don't do it, right. So, yeah, to your point, yes, 1555 01:22:55.439 --> 01:22:57.560 that's modern day nepheline. 1556 01:22:58.319 --> 01:23:01.359 Where I was going Yeah, where I was going at 1557 01:23:01.560 --> 01:23:05.239 is that there there There are obviously a lot of 1558 01:23:05.279 --> 01:23:08.520 stories of aliens, but one of the most common ones 1559 01:23:08.560 --> 01:23:11.439 that I hear, especially that has been around for decades, 1560 01:23:12.079 --> 01:23:15.079 is that the Grays are the and it's interesting you 1561 01:23:15.119 --> 01:23:18.359 mentioned the grays here too, is that the grays are 1562 01:23:18.640 --> 01:23:23.039 are essentially just older versions of us that like grew 1563 01:23:23.239 --> 01:23:26.840 through you know, technology and mechanics and stuff like that, 1564 01:23:27.159 --> 01:23:30.159 and they and their bodies essentially just like kind of 1565 01:23:30.159 --> 01:23:33.680 withered away because they just got so into the technology 1566 01:23:33.760 --> 01:23:36.640 or something like that. And so the story goes is 1567 01:23:36.680 --> 01:23:40.760 that eventually they stop being able to reproduce, and so 1568 01:23:41.039 --> 01:23:43.760 to keep their race going they would they would like 1569 01:23:44.000 --> 01:23:47.039 kind of come out here or where, you know, with 1570 01:23:47.039 --> 01:23:50.399 with human women. I guess, very similar to the Nefflin story. 1571 01:23:50.399 --> 01:23:53.319 But uh in that sense they would come to the 1572 01:23:53.359 --> 01:23:56.239 human women and that this is where you'd hear about 1573 01:23:56.279 --> 01:24:00.439 all this like astral sex or astral rapist. I guess 1574 01:24:00.479 --> 01:24:03.359 it's not really you know, you're not wanting it, so 1575 01:24:03.520 --> 01:24:06.319 it's you know, you hear those kind of stories and 1576 01:24:06.359 --> 01:24:08.880 it's like, all right, well now we finally have a 1577 01:24:08.920 --> 01:24:12.920 first hand account of what is going on. And I mean, 1578 01:24:13.119 --> 01:24:15.439 is was this all by the Grays or was it 1579 01:24:15.560 --> 01:24:19.960 multiple different kind of alien in quotes beings? 1580 01:24:21.279 --> 01:24:26.880 Yeah, I don't know what particular entity provided the other 1581 01:24:26.960 --> 01:24:33.000 half of the equation for the fetus that I was posting. 1582 01:24:33.760 --> 01:24:36.479 I have no idea, and they never shared that with me. 1583 01:24:37.800 --> 01:24:40.680 What I can say was for the time frame that 1584 01:24:40.840 --> 01:24:44.520 I was used, when my body was viable, and for 1585 01:24:44.600 --> 01:24:48.560 the and for the children that were pretty much grown. 1586 01:24:48.600 --> 01:24:53.079 When I saw them, they looked like what people describe 1587 01:24:53.079 --> 01:24:56.560 as the black eyed kids. They were stocky, they had 1588 01:24:56.720 --> 01:25:01.119 very dark eyes. They were wearing hooded like sweatshirt type 1589 01:25:01.159 --> 01:25:05.359 things when when I saw them, and there appears to 1590 01:25:05.479 --> 01:25:09.720 me based on what I've seen and what I've encountered 1591 01:25:09.840 --> 01:25:16.159 with them to be an evolution of while they're working 1592 01:25:16.199 --> 01:25:23.760 with this program getting different results, you know, more human looking, 1593 01:25:24.359 --> 01:25:28.279 more able to learn and adapt and be a part 1594 01:25:28.319 --> 01:25:30.239 of our society. I think the black Eyed kids were 1595 01:25:30.239 --> 01:25:32.880 probably like the first step into entities that could actually 1596 01:25:32.920 --> 01:25:37.119 be here around us, in our airspace, in our you know, 1597 01:25:38.720 --> 01:25:41.000 in our I don't think in the sunlight. 1598 01:25:42.439 --> 01:25:45.399 Yeah, merboreal beings instead of just inter dimensional. 1599 01:25:46.239 --> 01:25:48.439 And then you get to someone like what doctor David 1600 01:25:48.520 --> 01:25:51.560 Jacobs his work were walking among us when he talks 1601 01:25:51.600 --> 01:25:56.079 about the thousands and thousands of people that he interviewed 1602 01:25:56.439 --> 01:26:01.520 who have reports of hybrid entities who were as human 1603 01:26:01.520 --> 01:26:05.560 looking as you and I practically. So it's just, you know, 1604 01:26:06.119 --> 01:26:11.760 it seems to be and this is you know, only 1605 01:26:11.800 --> 01:26:15.279 based on my portion of it, knowing that these kids 1606 01:26:15.279 --> 01:26:17.920 were looking more like black Eyed kids, and that seems 1607 01:26:17.920 --> 01:26:21.560 to have gone away. Nobody has had those kinds of 1608 01:26:21.600 --> 01:26:23.760 sightings the way they were. It seemed to happen in 1609 01:26:23.800 --> 01:26:26.960 a very specific period of time where they were in 1610 01:26:27.000 --> 01:26:30.159 that kind of same era when I was having my kids. 1611 01:26:30.920 --> 01:26:35.439 It makes sense, whereas now there seems to be more 1612 01:26:35.439 --> 01:26:39.319 and more less and less hybrid type sightings, because I 1613 01:26:39.319 --> 01:26:42.600 think they're more and more easily integrated into our society 1614 01:26:42.680 --> 01:26:45.920 if they are here with us at all. So that's 1615 01:26:46.000 --> 01:26:47.720 my thought process on it. 1616 01:26:48.239 --> 01:26:53.119 So you say, if they're here, do you possibly believe 1617 01:26:53.119 --> 01:26:55.680 I'm not saying do you have this confirmed or not? Yeah, 1618 01:26:55.720 --> 01:26:58.159 but I'm assuming you were not the only one. You've 1619 01:26:58.159 --> 01:27:00.520 had so many other women say so many similar stories. 1620 01:27:01.199 --> 01:27:04.279 Do you believe at this time that some of them 1621 01:27:04.560 --> 01:27:08.159 were viable, were born or are even let me ask 1622 01:27:08.199 --> 01:27:10.960 you this, do you believe that they are possibly in 1623 01:27:11.000 --> 01:27:14.319 positions of power today or do you think that these 1624 01:27:15.079 --> 01:27:18.199 hybrid beings somehow are born into out from a human 1625 01:27:18.279 --> 01:27:20.560 mother and has just accepted that they're human and they're 1626 01:27:20.600 --> 01:27:23.119 just bebopping along working a little nine to five somewhere. 1627 01:27:23.520 --> 01:27:27.199 Think Clark Kent before he realized he was Superman. 1628 01:27:27.039 --> 01:27:30.680 Right, Yeah, I think that's anything I say on that 1629 01:27:30.720 --> 01:27:36.359 would be speculation. But my experience, I do one hundred 1630 01:27:36.359 --> 01:27:40.760 percent believe that at this point they are passing for human. 1631 01:27:40.880 --> 01:27:45.119 You wouldn't know, and because they've gotten so much better 1632 01:27:45.159 --> 01:27:49.239 with it, and you know, are there there are things 1633 01:27:49.279 --> 01:27:51.159 I think that had to happen in our society and 1634 01:27:51.199 --> 01:27:55.880 our medical society in order for this to happen, because 1635 01:27:55.920 --> 01:27:58.640 otherwise it would stand out like a sore thumb. But 1636 01:27:58.920 --> 01:28:04.720 as our society has progressed, and our medical fields have progressed, 1637 01:28:04.880 --> 01:28:07.439 and our understanding of things have progressed, it has allowed 1638 01:28:08.399 --> 01:28:10.319 burst to happen that never would have made it full 1639 01:28:10.399 --> 01:28:13.199 term or to be pre termed. But they're still in 1640 01:28:13.479 --> 01:28:16.600 or you know. Yeah, I think for someone to even 1641 01:28:16.640 --> 01:28:20.039 have a baby like that to go full term could 1642 01:28:20.119 --> 01:28:22.319 absolutely happen now, but it wouldn't have been able to 1643 01:28:22.319 --> 01:28:25.680 happen before without everyone noticing, do you know what I mean, 1644 01:28:25.800 --> 01:28:28.439 without there being some sort of something that was showing 1645 01:28:28.479 --> 01:28:31.720 up his odd So it's hard to say, but I 1646 01:28:31.720 --> 01:28:33.720 do think that they are around. There are too many 1647 01:28:33.760 --> 01:28:36.600 reports of them, and too many reports of people hosting 1648 01:28:36.680 --> 01:28:40.159 hybrid entities and running into them. My friend Al Matthews, 1649 01:28:40.760 --> 01:28:43.399 who was in the fourth movie of LA's with Me, 1650 01:28:43.760 --> 01:28:48.640 he has had a really wild encounter with one with 1651 01:28:49.000 --> 01:28:52.840 a female hybrid entity. And Al has no reason to 1652 01:28:52.880 --> 01:28:55.039 lie to me, you know, but these are just conversations 1653 01:28:55.039 --> 01:28:56.760 that he would have a conversation with you if you 1654 01:28:56.760 --> 01:28:59.239 were ever interested. But these are just conversations I've had 1655 01:28:59.279 --> 01:29:01.239 with him, you know, and he's had with La and 1656 01:29:01.239 --> 01:29:02.960 that he's shared with us. But he's got no reason 1657 01:29:03.000 --> 01:29:05.439 to lie about that. It's just this crazy thing that happened. 1658 01:29:06.039 --> 01:29:08.560 And it's not just him. There's so many other people 1659 01:29:08.600 --> 01:29:11.119 who have had those So one hundred percent think that 1660 01:29:11.560 --> 01:29:14.079 could they be in positions of power? Oh definitely. I 1661 01:29:14.079 --> 01:29:19.560 mean you're looking at you look at books like tim 1662 01:29:19.600 --> 01:29:23.239 Alrena's Birthright where he really gets into how we as 1663 01:29:23.359 --> 01:29:26.520 humans were given the birthright to the earth, and then 1664 01:29:27.159 --> 01:29:29.119 you know that's being tried to take away from us. 1665 01:29:29.119 --> 01:29:31.960 At what point, you know, are they just human enough 1666 01:29:32.039 --> 01:29:34.840 to inherit that birthright? At what point are they human 1667 01:29:34.920 --> 01:29:37.359 enough to take over positions of power, wealth and authority 1668 01:29:37.399 --> 01:29:41.359 where they can be making these choices and these decisions 1669 01:29:41.840 --> 01:29:44.880 that affect the humans and that are taking you know, 1670 01:29:45.079 --> 01:29:49.239 power and authority from us. You know, who is the 1671 01:29:49.279 --> 01:29:51.119 prince of the power of the air, you know. And 1672 01:29:51.159 --> 01:29:54.319 then it all goes back to Genesis three, p. Fifteen 1673 01:29:54.520 --> 01:29:57.439 to the Sea War, because that's when it says and 1674 01:29:57.520 --> 01:29:59.600 he will breuge your head and you'll crush his heel, 1675 01:29:59.680 --> 01:30:01.640 or you crush his head and he will bruise your heel. Sorry, 1676 01:30:01.880 --> 01:30:05.039 that backwards, and that's that sets up a sea war 1677 01:30:05.079 --> 01:30:07.920 that never ended. You know, they couldn't stop Jesus from 1678 01:30:07.960 --> 01:30:11.600 being born, but what they could do was stop as 1679 01:30:11.640 --> 01:30:13.359 many people from believing as possible. 1680 01:30:14.840 --> 01:30:18.359 I think that step further. They couldn't stop the temple 1681 01:30:18.439 --> 01:30:21.399 being rebuilt, but they could try to kill all the 1682 01:30:21.479 --> 01:30:22.640 Jews in a holocaust. 1683 01:30:23.119 --> 01:30:26.600 Exactly Why have the Jewish people always been so oppressed? 1684 01:30:26.640 --> 01:30:28.720 You know what I mean? And you know, people are 1685 01:30:28.760 --> 01:30:31.159 all over on this subject right now, and I'm like, 1686 01:30:31.199 --> 01:30:35.000 you have to boil it down to the simplest no, 1687 01:30:35.359 --> 01:30:36.520 I mean, come. 1688 01:30:36.279 --> 01:30:39.800 On, I never thought that I would live to see 1689 01:30:40.239 --> 01:30:44.880 so much vehement anti Semitism in this country like I 1690 01:30:44.960 --> 01:30:48.600 do right now, Like I neither. It's not even anti 1691 01:30:48.760 --> 01:30:54.760 Israel or anti who's the president, he's been president, you know, 1692 01:30:55.239 --> 01:30:58.359 it's not even anti him. It is people being anti 1693 01:30:58.800 --> 01:31:02.439 like anti semi truefull blood, just hating the Jews. And 1694 01:31:02.479 --> 01:31:05.000 I'm like, what come from? 1695 01:31:05.199 --> 01:31:08.000 Yeah? And then anywhere where there's hate, you know, And 1696 01:31:08.079 --> 01:31:10.520 I don't understand that because hate doesn't do us any good, 1697 01:31:10.960 --> 01:31:13.640 It doesn't help anyone. I mean, we don't have to agree. 1698 01:31:13.680 --> 01:31:15.079 I don't have to agree with y'all. You don't have 1699 01:31:15.119 --> 01:31:16.520 to agree with me. And you've been so kind to 1700 01:31:16.520 --> 01:31:18.880 me tonight. And I know that I'm bringing some pretty 1701 01:31:18.880 --> 01:31:21.560 controversial stuff up, but you've been so kind to me 1702 01:31:21.640 --> 01:31:23.800 because you guys don't have that kind of You don't 1703 01:31:23.800 --> 01:31:25.800 come at people with hate. It doesn't do us any 1704 01:31:25.840 --> 01:31:28.199 good to do that, you know. I mean, I respect 1705 01:31:28.239 --> 01:31:31.039 your beliefs, you respect mine. I think that's amazing. We 1706 01:31:31.079 --> 01:31:36.000 need to be that way if we're gonna survive. Ever, 1707 01:31:36.319 --> 01:31:39.119 you know, I mean, there just isn't any reason for it. 1708 01:31:39.119 --> 01:31:40.960 It just breaks my heart. I mean, there's enough pain 1709 01:31:41.000 --> 01:31:44.560 in this world. I can attest to personally to that. 1710 01:31:44.880 --> 01:31:47.239 There is more than enough pain in this world to 1711 01:31:47.279 --> 01:31:50.119 go around. We need to not to get on a 1712 01:31:50.159 --> 01:31:53.239 weird soapbox, but you know, we need to bring that 1713 01:31:53.319 --> 01:31:56.840 down a notch and do our part to make it better, 1714 01:31:57.239 --> 01:31:58.319 to make it agree. 1715 01:31:58.760 --> 01:32:01.880 Yeah, that's I mean, it's definitely needed. And you know 1716 01:32:02.000 --> 01:32:04.720 I know that definitely riding like riding around in these 1717 01:32:05.079 --> 01:32:08.359 conspiracy realms, it can get a little heated, it can 1718 01:32:08.399 --> 01:32:10.760 get a little conflicted. I mean, how me and Jacob 1719 01:32:10.800 --> 01:32:13.199 have almost chewed each other's heads off. A couple of times. 1720 01:32:14.319 --> 01:32:17.159 But you know, that's just differing belief and that's all right, 1721 01:32:17.359 --> 01:32:21.119 you know, like there's no way of confirming a lot 1722 01:32:21.159 --> 01:32:24.359 of these things, but we can speculate, we can theorize, 1723 01:32:24.399 --> 01:32:26.279 we can put our brains together and try and come 1724 01:32:26.359 --> 01:32:29.039 up with some kind of solution or some kind of 1725 01:32:29.159 --> 01:32:31.479 answer to the questions that we seek. I don't think 1726 01:32:31.520 --> 01:32:34.039 there's anything wrong with that. And and you know, just 1727 01:32:34.079 --> 01:32:37.239 because y'all are are are Christians, and you know, it 1728 01:32:37.279 --> 01:32:39.800 doesn't mean that like I think, I think that's a 1729 01:32:39.800 --> 01:32:42.199 great thing. I I'm happy that, you know, we have 1730 01:32:42.359 --> 01:32:45.000 guests and even Jacob, I'm I'm happy that we don't 1731 01:32:45.039 --> 01:32:47.960 think the same way because it allows us to look 1732 01:32:48.000 --> 01:32:51.079 through all these different lines of vision and all these 1733 01:32:51.079 --> 01:32:54.640 different perspectives that you know, like if I can't figure 1734 01:32:54.680 --> 01:32:57.840 something out, Jacob probably can. If Jacob can't figure something out, 1735 01:32:57.880 --> 01:33:00.479 I probably can. And if we can't figure up mount, 1736 01:33:00.640 --> 01:33:02.560 we bring Karen Wilkinson on the show. Maybe she can 1737 01:33:02.840 --> 01:33:03.359 figure it out. 1738 01:33:03.399 --> 01:33:03.600 You know. 1739 01:33:03.720 --> 01:33:07.479 Like that's the beautiful thing about these, uh, these open 1740 01:33:07.600 --> 01:33:11.920 ended like conversations. And I mean, I mean, I'm I'm 1741 01:33:12.039 --> 01:33:13.840 so sorry to hear about what you've had to go 1742 01:33:13.880 --> 01:33:16.239 through in your life. But I'm I'm very thankful that 1743 01:33:16.319 --> 01:33:19.960 you're you're actually telling the story, because that is just 1744 01:33:20.800 --> 01:33:24.079 it's just insane. I mean, most people they go through 1745 01:33:24.119 --> 01:33:25.800 one of those things, they're scarred for life. 1746 01:33:25.800 --> 01:33:26.520 And here you are. 1747 01:33:26.560 --> 01:33:29.039 You're like, oh, yeah, I got visited by demons or 1748 01:33:29.079 --> 01:33:32.520 aliens multiple times and I'm just around to tell talked. 1749 01:33:32.279 --> 01:33:33.840 About talk to people about it. 1750 01:33:33.720 --> 01:33:36.720 And it's like, oh my god, the cohon is on you. 1751 01:33:36.800 --> 01:33:45.079 It's crazy. I'm jealous. You're you're you're how can I 1752 01:33:45.119 --> 01:33:46.359 put this gone? 1753 01:33:46.439 --> 01:33:52.880 Yourumption? Thanks. It hasn't been easy, trust me. And I 1754 01:33:52.920 --> 01:33:55.039 have broken down more often than not, and I have 1755 01:33:55.159 --> 01:33:59.159 had my moments where I really wanted to leave this earth. 1756 01:33:59.359 --> 01:34:02.680 And that's where I know that God is with me 1757 01:34:02.840 --> 01:34:07.640 because he stopped me every time. And I don't know how, 1758 01:34:07.960 --> 01:34:12.840 you know, it's just it's a lot. And yeah, I 1759 01:34:13.159 --> 01:34:16.439 still break down all the time, so you know, it's 1760 01:34:16.479 --> 01:34:20.760 easy to put forward sometimes a brief face with people, 1761 01:34:20.800 --> 01:34:22.479 and then later I go down and you know, I 1762 01:34:23.560 --> 01:34:26.840 have my moments. But yeah, it was a lot. It 1763 01:34:26.880 --> 01:34:28.800 was and it affected every part of my life, and 1764 01:34:28.840 --> 01:34:30.920 it left up every part of my life. Trust me, 1765 01:34:31.680 --> 01:34:35.720 you know, I didn't have good relationships. I didn't, you know, 1766 01:34:35.960 --> 01:34:39.960 I Yeah, it messed up everything. But in the end, 1767 01:34:40.960 --> 01:34:44.880 everything came back together in the end, you know, the 1768 01:34:44.960 --> 01:34:48.199 blessings abound in the end. You know, I have beautiful, happy, 1769 01:34:48.239 --> 01:34:51.640 healthy children whom I love more than life itself, you know, 1770 01:34:51.720 --> 01:34:55.199 than anything, and and so that there there's a lot 1771 01:34:55.279 --> 01:34:57.960 to be grateful for too. But yeah, it's a lot, 1772 01:34:58.000 --> 01:34:59.800 and it's been hard, and probably more than we can 1773 01:34:59.840 --> 01:35:02.039 even discussed in two or three hours. But that's okay, 1774 01:35:02.119 --> 01:35:04.520 because we can we can bring more of it back. 1775 01:35:04.920 --> 01:35:07.479 But yeah, I hate to see people argue and fuss 1776 01:35:07.560 --> 01:35:12.760 over differences of opinion on things when I know that 1777 01:35:12.840 --> 01:35:15.000 I do not know everything. I know what I know 1778 01:35:15.279 --> 01:35:18.560 and the rest of it. I'm never gonna sit here 1779 01:35:18.600 --> 01:35:21.840 and say I'm right and you're wrong, because I can't 1780 01:35:21.840 --> 01:35:24.720 do that. That's not it works. We have to learn 1781 01:35:24.760 --> 01:35:25.359 from each other. 1782 01:35:25.800 --> 01:35:28.800 And I don't even mind people disagreeing, and I don't 1783 01:35:28.840 --> 01:35:31.800 even mind people getting passionate about their beliefs. And maybe 1784 01:35:31.800 --> 01:35:34.439 tempers do get flaired sometimes and people do get serious 1785 01:35:34.439 --> 01:35:36.880 about what it fine, fine, fine, But as long as 1786 01:35:36.920 --> 01:35:39.960 there is a level of respect, right and a level 1787 01:35:40.000 --> 01:35:43.479 of even if we just we get screaming at each other, like, yeah, 1788 01:35:43.600 --> 01:35:45.960 we're gonna go have a beer after this and be cool. 1789 01:35:46.199 --> 01:35:49.640 This is a conversation, and once the conversation ends, its ending, 1790 01:35:49.720 --> 01:35:55.000 it's all good. But also in another light, I can 1791 01:35:55.079 --> 01:36:00.840 relate to very small fragments of your entire store. But 1792 01:36:01.119 --> 01:36:03.600 a few of the things you experienced, I experienced. But 1793 01:36:04.000 --> 01:36:07.039 this was in no way, shape or form. Did I 1794 01:36:07.079 --> 01:36:09.239 think this was an alien, not even once this was 1795 01:36:09.399 --> 01:36:15.199 confirmed a demon from the word go. But again, this didn't. 1796 01:36:15.560 --> 01:36:18.239 This didn't have the same effect on me as it 1797 01:36:18.279 --> 01:36:21.119 did on you. It wasn't as frequent, it wasn't as 1798 01:36:21.239 --> 01:36:24.319 violent it was there was not near the level. I 1799 01:36:24.359 --> 01:36:27.000 think my experiences was more of a very very small 1800 01:36:27.479 --> 01:36:30.000 scratch of the surface of what could have been. Don't 1801 01:36:30.000 --> 01:36:34.000 get me wrong, but and the times of that happened, 1802 01:36:34.600 --> 01:36:38.319 an angel was sent or something along those lines, and 1803 01:36:38.359 --> 01:36:40.560 looking at what the demon looked like and everything, like, 1804 01:36:40.600 --> 01:36:41.880 I feel you one thousand percent. 1805 01:36:42.079 --> 01:36:43.560 What was that angel's name again, by the. 1806 01:36:43.520 --> 01:36:49.760 Way, the angel's name, Yeah, Jonathan, you dick. I'm not 1807 01:36:49.800 --> 01:36:52.199 happy about that, all right. I know you're just grinning 1808 01:36:52.239 --> 01:36:56.640 ear to ear, shithead, but you know whatever, I can't 1809 01:36:56.720 --> 01:37:00.279 change my angel's name. I would if I could, you bastard, 1810 01:36:59.800 --> 01:37:00.800 if I could. 1811 01:37:00.840 --> 01:37:03.439 But anyway, I mean, it literally means God's gifts, so 1812 01:37:03.800 --> 01:37:04.319 you're welcome. 1813 01:37:04.399 --> 01:37:04.560 You know. 1814 01:37:04.720 --> 01:37:07.439 That's the other thing too. It just fits anyway. Anyway, 1815 01:37:08.960 --> 01:37:14.000 But I was talking about the waking paralysis. I had 1816 01:37:14.640 --> 01:37:17.880 one experience like that, and I used to have scars 1817 01:37:17.920 --> 01:37:20.680 on it on me from what happened in that experience, 1818 01:37:20.720 --> 01:37:23.800 but it was they have long since passed, and it 1819 01:37:23.840 --> 01:37:26.479 was a as far as the entirety of my life goes, 1820 01:37:26.520 --> 01:37:29.079 a one off, and I saw that as a massively 1821 01:37:29.079 --> 01:37:31.119 traumatic experience and something that I didn't want to talk 1822 01:37:31.119 --> 01:37:33.000 about with people. I didn't talk about with my church 1823 01:37:33.000 --> 01:37:36.479 group because again that's fucking weird. I told my mom 1824 01:37:36.520 --> 01:37:38.720 about it once upon a time, and like she was 1825 01:37:38.760 --> 01:37:40.760 aware of some things, but didn't know the whole scope, 1826 01:37:40.840 --> 01:37:43.319 because again I didn't exactly know how to explain this. 1827 01:37:44.600 --> 01:37:46.720 It wasn't until much later in my life when I 1828 01:37:46.760 --> 01:37:52.279 finally grasped everything, did research into everything, and then eventually 1829 01:37:52.359 --> 01:37:54.199 felt comfortable enough to be like, you know what, I 1830 01:37:54.239 --> 01:37:56.199 we need to talk about this on the show. And 1831 01:37:56.279 --> 01:37:59.560 it was. It was cathartic in a lot of ways 1832 01:37:59.560 --> 01:38:02.920 to come forward and like talk about this thing that 1833 01:38:03.039 --> 01:38:05.159 like had been weighing on me. Not that it was 1834 01:38:05.159 --> 01:38:08.119 weighing on me to get it out, it was weighing 1835 01:38:08.159 --> 01:38:11.720 on me because like that sucked, Like why would I 1836 01:38:11.760 --> 01:38:13.640 want to retell these stories? You know what I mean? 1837 01:38:13.680 --> 01:38:17.439 But just like you said, there's power in that, and 1838 01:38:17.479 --> 01:38:20.279 there is there's truth in that. And I cannot tell 1839 01:38:20.319 --> 01:38:24.880 you how many people have messaged us DMed me, found 1840 01:38:24.880 --> 01:38:26.880 me in some way, shape or form and told me like, look, bro, 1841 01:38:26.960 --> 01:38:29.039 you sharing your story helped me in so many ways 1842 01:38:29.399 --> 01:38:32.560 I had stories just like that. This validated so many things. 1843 01:38:32.640 --> 01:38:35.039 Oh my god. I'm like, look, I'm happy, Like I 1844 01:38:35.119 --> 01:38:37.039 want these people to share these stories and like we 1845 01:38:37.119 --> 01:38:40.039 get these things out, we can collectively figure out we 1846 01:38:40.119 --> 01:38:44.079 all regardless of whatever religious dogma, whatever god you worship, 1847 01:38:44.159 --> 01:38:47.439 whatever book you banging, whatever, you believe that there is 1848 01:38:47.520 --> 01:38:49.399 a good force and a bad force. There is a 1849 01:38:49.479 --> 01:38:51.560 light and a dark, a positive, a negative. Either way 1850 01:38:51.560 --> 01:38:53.399 you want to say, there's good shit at work and 1851 01:38:53.439 --> 01:38:57.279 there's bad shit at work, okay, fair enough. If enough 1852 01:38:57.319 --> 01:39:01.640 people are collectively having these bad work experiences, and the 1853 01:39:01.800 --> 01:39:04.359 forces and entities look the same, act the same smell 1854 01:39:04.439 --> 01:39:07.840 the same, talk the same. Now, look, I'm no mathematician, 1855 01:39:07.920 --> 01:39:09.680 but if it looked like a duck and walk like 1856 01:39:09.720 --> 01:39:13.000 a duck, guess what half flat? You know what I'm saying. 1857 01:39:13.000 --> 01:39:16.079 That's it. So if all of us are coming together 1858 01:39:16.119 --> 01:39:19.520 with these stories and these similar experiences and some very dissimilar, 1859 01:39:19.640 --> 01:39:21.359 but like I said, there was a few comparisons that 1860 01:39:21.399 --> 01:39:23.960 I could at least draw, I believe that all of 1861 01:39:24.000 --> 01:39:25.479 this is in the same realm, and I kind of 1862 01:39:25.479 --> 01:39:29.960 think we're talking about the same same entities in a degree, 1863 01:39:30.000 --> 01:39:36.079 if not maybe creatures influenced and corrupted by other entities. 1864 01:39:36.159 --> 01:39:38.359 Even I don't know how many levels to this five 1865 01:39:38.439 --> 01:39:40.680 D chess we got going on here. God's way more 1866 01:39:40.680 --> 01:39:44.479 intelligent than I'll ever grasp, you know exactly. 1867 01:39:44.600 --> 01:39:46.359 Now. I love how you put all that, and that's 1868 01:39:46.399 --> 01:39:48.560 so true, and yeah, I love that we don't all 1869 01:39:48.600 --> 01:39:50.720 have to agree on it. But you're right, we don't 1870 01:39:50.720 --> 01:39:54.279 have all the answers. We don't know how many different 1871 01:39:54.600 --> 01:39:57.680 types of these entities there are and which ones are 1872 01:39:57.680 --> 01:39:59.920 influenced by what. But what I will tell you is this. 1873 01:40:00.960 --> 01:40:03.319 You know, if I'm standing speaking in front of a 1874 01:40:03.319 --> 01:40:06.039 crowd of people and I ask who here thinks it's 1875 01:40:06.079 --> 01:40:09.720 okay to kidnap a five year old child. Who here 1876 01:40:09.720 --> 01:40:11.680 thinks it's okay to rape a woman or a man, 1877 01:40:12.560 --> 01:40:16.520 And here thinks it's okay to steal a child from 1878 01:40:17.039 --> 01:40:21.439 a fetus from a woman's womb. You know who here 1879 01:40:21.439 --> 01:40:25.039 thinks it's okay to mutilate animals and humans. It's not 1880 01:40:25.079 --> 01:40:28.960 just cattle mutilations. Humans are mutilated to and other animals. 1881 01:40:29.600 --> 01:40:34.039 I don't ever get anyone standing up or raising their 1882 01:40:34.079 --> 01:40:43.079 hand so in that respect, without being dismissive of anyone 1883 01:40:43.079 --> 01:40:48.319 else's beliefs, it kind of proves my point that these 1884 01:40:48.359 --> 01:40:51.680 are not the ones that I have encountered, are not 1885 01:40:51.840 --> 01:40:54.560 our benevolent space brothers. And I am not decrying what 1886 01:40:54.600 --> 01:40:57.319 anyone else's stories are, what anyone else is saying, because 1887 01:40:57.359 --> 01:41:01.039 those are their experiences and their stories, and I would 1888 01:41:01.079 --> 01:41:03.479 not take that from anyone, and I would I one 1889 01:41:03.560 --> 01:41:05.840 hundred percent respect what other people have to say and 1890 01:41:05.880 --> 01:41:08.680 the fact that they're willing to share their experiences as well. 1891 01:41:08.760 --> 01:41:10.600 It takes a lot of guts to do it, I 1892 01:41:10.640 --> 01:41:14.840 know for sure, But my experiences were not benevolent space 1893 01:41:14.880 --> 01:41:21.039 brothers from ZEA reticulate. They were very malevolent beings. They 1894 01:41:21.039 --> 01:41:24.640 are falling angelic beings. When I call on Jesus, they 1895 01:41:24.800 --> 01:41:27.840 backed the heck up and they leave and they know 1896 01:41:28.000 --> 01:41:31.039 they can't be around me when I do that. And 1897 01:41:31.479 --> 01:41:37.000 they have absolutely confirmed to me who and what they are. 1898 01:41:38.840 --> 01:41:41.960 And I told you just here's what's up. 1899 01:41:42.279 --> 01:41:46.359 Well, they haven't said said I'm this and such version 1900 01:41:46.439 --> 01:41:48.840 of this and such entity that God created, but they 1901 01:41:48.840 --> 01:41:52.000 have absolutely confirmed to me that, yes, God is their 1902 01:41:52.039 --> 01:41:54.479 creator as well. Yes they have to obey if I 1903 01:41:54.560 --> 01:41:57.079 call on his name. Yes there's nothing that they can 1904 01:41:57.119 --> 01:42:00.319 do about it. Yes, they know that I'm protect did 1905 01:42:02.239 --> 01:42:04.720 and they still are trying to convince me to come 1906 01:42:04.760 --> 01:42:07.600 back and get involved with them. And I'm like, no, 1907 01:42:07.880 --> 01:42:13.039 oh no, you know but absolutely so. You know, that 1908 01:42:13.079 --> 01:42:18.279 doesn't mean that anyone else is why. It doesn't mean 1909 01:42:18.319 --> 01:42:21.239 that anyone else is wrong. It means that this is 1910 01:42:21.239 --> 01:42:23.920 what I am talking about, and that these are the 1911 01:42:24.039 --> 01:42:26.760 entities that I have encountered. But I will tell you this, 1912 01:42:26.960 --> 01:42:32.399 there were a lot of people there, a lot of 1913 01:42:32.439 --> 01:42:34.960 other people being taken with me. When I was taken. 1914 01:42:35.640 --> 01:42:40.880 There were humans working alongside these entities, and I listened 1915 01:42:41.039 --> 01:42:45.760 to them be threatened not to talk and you know, 1916 01:42:45.920 --> 01:42:50.560 you can understand. And someone gets this super fun high clearance. Hey, 1917 01:42:50.600 --> 01:42:52.359 you're doing so great at this job. We're going to 1918 01:42:52.399 --> 01:42:54.920 give you this new high high security clearance. But you 1919 01:42:54.960 --> 01:42:57.960 got to sign an NDA and now you're here, and 1920 01:42:58.039 --> 01:43:00.640 now if you say a word or this is what 1921 01:43:00.640 --> 01:43:03.079 we're going to do, your wife, your daughter, your friend, 1922 01:43:03.119 --> 01:43:06.920 your neighbor, your children, and then these people like me 1923 01:43:07.680 --> 01:43:10.800 to show them what would happen to their families and 1924 01:43:10.880 --> 01:43:14.439 their friends. And that was sick, and I wrote about that. 1925 01:43:14.520 --> 01:43:16.079 I'm not going to go into a lot of detail, 1926 01:43:16.720 --> 01:43:20.119 but you know, I understand why these people didn't help me. 1927 01:43:20.119 --> 01:43:22.760 I understand why they didn't talk to me. But you know, 1928 01:43:22.920 --> 01:43:25.760 I can't understand why someone would call this benevolent behavior 1929 01:43:25.760 --> 01:43:26.319 because it's not. 1930 01:43:27.279 --> 01:43:30.600 So You're down there in this like this underground factory 1931 01:43:30.680 --> 01:43:32.319 for a better term, I mean, for a lack of 1932 01:43:32.319 --> 01:43:36.479 a better term. Did you did you notice anybody down 1933 01:43:36.479 --> 01:43:39.439 there that maybe looked familiar at all? 1934 01:43:41.239 --> 01:43:44.079 Now, you know, part of the problem when you're taking 1935 01:43:44.159 --> 01:43:47.760 is that you get this kind of sometimes not every time, 1936 01:43:47.760 --> 01:43:50.720 but this kind of brain foggy thing, you know, so 1937 01:43:51.359 --> 01:43:54.720 and everyone is always off going to hear going to 1938 01:43:54.720 --> 01:43:56.279 their doing what they're doing. So when I would be 1939 01:43:56.680 --> 01:44:00.520 in a room with like all the screen on the 1940 01:44:00.560 --> 01:44:03.560 wall and to watching like whatever movie type thing they 1941 01:44:03.560 --> 01:44:05.600 wanted me to watch that day. Sometimes it was like 1942 01:44:05.640 --> 01:44:08.920 these massive floods and things like that and what have you. 1943 01:44:09.279 --> 01:44:10.960 There would be other humans, but it was never the 1944 01:44:11.000 --> 01:44:13.880 same ones. I don't ever remember seeing the same. The 1945 01:44:13.880 --> 01:44:16.119 only ones I saw that were the same were my 1946 01:44:16.199 --> 01:44:21.840 handler and some of the entities like the insect insect 1947 01:44:21.840 --> 01:44:24.600 ones that looked like the praying man see kind of faces. 1948 01:44:24.640 --> 01:44:31.000 They had the really big long arms that they went like, up, 1949 01:44:31.119 --> 01:44:32.520 I can't do it with my arms to show you 1950 01:44:32.520 --> 01:44:37.800 a bit like and then the weird hands or whatever 1951 01:44:37.840 --> 01:44:42.079 they were appanages. They it always seemed like there was 1952 01:44:42.119 --> 01:44:44.279 the same one in certain rooms, you know what I mean. 1953 01:44:44.359 --> 01:44:50.000 They looked never looked different. But as far as the humans, 1954 01:44:50.640 --> 01:44:54.760 I've never necessarily run into anyone outside of there, but 1955 01:44:55.119 --> 01:44:57.920 there are there are always people where you're like, oh, 1956 01:44:57.960 --> 01:45:00.479 I feel like I know you. You know what I mean, 1957 01:45:00.600 --> 01:45:02.880 when you meet someone and you're just like, I know that, 1958 01:45:02.960 --> 01:45:04.560 I know you. I know I feel the same way. 1959 01:45:04.600 --> 01:45:07.079 I know that I've had so many of those types 1960 01:45:07.119 --> 01:45:10.000 of weird encounters sure, it's like why do we know 1961 01:45:10.159 --> 01:45:13.720 each other? And it's like, you know you've spent time 1962 01:45:13.760 --> 01:45:17.720 with someone, but you can't figure out how how you 1963 01:45:17.760 --> 01:45:21.239 feel why you feel that way, Maybe somebody you. 1964 01:45:21.279 --> 01:45:23.520 Knew from a past life or something like that. 1965 01:45:23.600 --> 01:45:27.199 Yeah, like exactly and except for for me, you know, 1966 01:45:27.640 --> 01:45:29.520 I knew it wasn't that. It's just like I really 1967 01:45:29.600 --> 01:45:31.479 know that I've spent time with this person. I'm like, 1968 01:45:31.760 --> 01:45:33.800 how do we know each other? And we're trying to 1969 01:45:33.800 --> 01:45:35.279 figure out how we know each other? Did we go 1970 01:45:35.319 --> 01:45:36.119 to the same high school? 1971 01:45:36.159 --> 01:45:36.199 No? 1972 01:45:36.439 --> 01:45:38.000 Did we grow up in this noow. I've lived in 1973 01:45:38.000 --> 01:45:41.560 a lot of places and I can't never find that connection. 1974 01:45:41.720 --> 01:45:43.600 How do we know each other? You know what I mean? 1975 01:45:43.840 --> 01:45:46.479 I've had that happen too many times for me to 1976 01:45:46.479 --> 01:45:49.920 think it's a coincidence where we can't figure out why 1977 01:45:49.920 --> 01:45:51.680 we know that we know each other, but we do. 1978 01:45:51.880 --> 01:45:54.279 So I've had that kind of thing happen. 1979 01:45:55.119 --> 01:45:58.119 From down there is what you're saying, You, Yeah, I 1980 01:45:58.239 --> 01:45:59.399 know them from wherever? 1981 01:45:59.479 --> 01:45:59.640 That? 1982 01:46:00.279 --> 01:46:01.840 I mean, do you have a name for what you 1983 01:46:01.880 --> 01:46:02.640 call down there? 1984 01:46:03.039 --> 01:46:04.960 How was my next question or do you know where 1985 01:46:05.079 --> 01:46:05.319 it was? 1986 01:46:05.359 --> 01:46:05.399 This? 1987 01:46:05.520 --> 01:46:08.880 Like contineal us? Was this like they had transported you 1988 01:46:08.960 --> 01:46:11.359 to Africa and they went underground, Like do you even 1989 01:46:11.359 --> 01:46:13.520 know where in the world you were? Could have been. 1990 01:46:14.960 --> 01:46:19.359 Okay, right, Well, I know that. I mean physically, we're 1991 01:46:19.399 --> 01:46:22.640 always just physically there with other physical people. And I 1992 01:46:22.720 --> 01:46:26.199 know people were coming and going and speaking English. So 1993 01:46:26.359 --> 01:46:30.079 I'm assuming it was here in America or in this 1994 01:46:30.239 --> 01:46:34.119 continent only because and that doesn't mean it was, but 1995 01:46:34.279 --> 01:46:36.640 just there was a lot of English speaking people, but 1996 01:46:36.680 --> 01:46:39.000 there were also people speaking languages I didn't understand, but 1997 01:46:39.119 --> 01:46:42.079 it seemed like there were a lot of English speaking people. Also, 1998 01:46:42.199 --> 01:46:49.520 though I know that there was one place by the 1999 01:46:49.560 --> 01:46:54.039 Ohio River where there were bricks, and I just remember 2000 01:46:54.119 --> 01:46:57.439 going into that place and then somehow that leading to 2001 01:46:57.960 --> 01:46:59.720 and I won't go back there. I won't even look 2002 01:46:59.760 --> 01:47:02.680 for it because I can't. But so I feel like 2003 01:47:02.840 --> 01:47:09.000 that was an entry point somewhere there. I have memories 2004 01:47:09.039 --> 01:47:14.079 of being somewhere sandy, and then there's an entry point 2005 01:47:14.399 --> 01:47:19.279 weird memories of different geological things. However, having said that, 2006 01:47:21.119 --> 01:47:26.640 I don't have any specific location information except that it 2007 01:47:26.680 --> 01:47:29.000 was just there. It was underground, it was just where 2008 01:47:29.000 --> 01:47:33.159 I went. It was just it was just there. Yeah, 2009 01:47:33.720 --> 01:47:37.119 I haven't called it anything really honestly, because it was 2010 01:47:37.239 --> 01:47:40.159 where where are we going today? Well, we're going this way, 2011 01:47:40.239 --> 01:47:42.760 or we're going to that part, or we're going to 2012 01:47:43.399 --> 01:47:45.479 you know, the exam area, or we're going to this 2013 01:47:45.520 --> 01:47:48.800 waiting room, where we're going to this viewing room. Where 2014 01:47:48.800 --> 01:47:54.319 we're going to you know, there was the one that. 2015 01:47:53.479 --> 01:47:56.520 The reason why I asked is because there is confirmed 2016 01:47:56.520 --> 01:48:00.399 at least five hundred underground bases that the governments that 2017 01:48:00.560 --> 01:48:04.079 are used strictly to store and house blocks of cheese. Right, 2018 01:48:04.520 --> 01:48:09.319 there's hundreds, if not thousands of missile silos and domes 2019 01:48:09.319 --> 01:48:12.279 deep underground military bunkers. We know about Mount Shasta and 2020 01:48:12.319 --> 01:48:14.680 all these things. So that's why I brought up if 2021 01:48:14.720 --> 01:48:17.079 you knew anything about the location. But it also it 2022 01:48:17.079 --> 01:48:21.000 can be underwater. Reason why in the transportation process some 2023 01:48:21.079 --> 01:48:23.000 of those details are a little fussy. This makes sense 2024 01:48:23.000 --> 01:48:23.560 to me as well. 2025 01:48:23.880 --> 01:48:26.680 It does. And the thing is too, they're so big 2026 01:48:26.680 --> 01:48:30.000 and so much connected, and the way it was traveling 2027 01:48:30.000 --> 01:48:33.079 when it was taken, when I would get to the elevators, 2028 01:48:33.119 --> 01:48:35.159 when they would take me there but didn't want me 2029 01:48:35.199 --> 01:48:37.479 to see, you know, they don't want you to know 2030 01:48:37.520 --> 01:48:42.680 where you're going to a certain point and then because 2031 01:48:42.680 --> 01:48:46.119 that would just there would not be good obviously, But 2032 01:48:47.800 --> 01:48:53.159 it's so huge, I mean it could cover I don't know. 2033 01:48:53.279 --> 01:48:57.479 I mean it literally could cover from underground to underwater, 2034 01:48:57.560 --> 01:49:01.039 underground to another continent. You know, I hadn't because there 2035 01:49:01.359 --> 01:49:04.560 were these the trains that I would get on, you know, 2036 01:49:04.800 --> 01:49:07.520 if these high speed rails, I had no idea how 2037 01:49:07.560 --> 01:49:10.520 far they went or where they went. But you know 2038 01:49:10.600 --> 01:49:14.119 there are the sky's limit as far as the underground selimit. 2039 01:49:14.199 --> 01:49:17.199 I guess as far as it was going. But you 2040 01:49:17.239 --> 01:49:22.119 know they're huge. I mean the just mazes of hallways 2041 01:49:22.119 --> 01:49:24.119 and stuff. If I didn't have a handler and someone 2042 01:49:24.199 --> 01:49:27.439 just let me go, I mean, who knows how lost 2043 01:49:27.439 --> 01:49:29.920 I could have gotten. 2044 01:49:29.079 --> 01:49:32.720 Now, how old were you the last time you were 2045 01:49:32.760 --> 01:49:37.239 taken to one of these places? Or how long ago 2046 01:49:37.399 --> 01:49:37.600 was it? 2047 01:49:37.720 --> 01:49:40.359 Yeah, it wasn't very long ago. The last time was 2048 01:49:40.439 --> 01:49:46.560 only about was after my near death experience. But after 2049 01:49:46.760 --> 01:49:51.960 that then I or was it yeah, it was right after. 2050 01:49:52.000 --> 01:49:54.640 It wasn't long after that. I was about a year 2051 01:49:54.640 --> 01:49:55.840 after that maybe. 2052 01:49:55.560 --> 01:49:57.720 If that so seven years ago? 2053 01:49:58.239 --> 01:50:02.800 Yeah, about seven years ago, and and then that's when 2054 01:50:02.840 --> 01:50:07.600 I I, you know, I just I won't go into 2055 01:50:07.720 --> 01:50:10.520 how that all happened. But that's when I did find 2056 01:50:11.159 --> 01:50:15.159 my way back and to my faith, and all of 2057 01:50:15.199 --> 01:50:18.479 a sudden, God just it's like turned on all these 2058 01:50:18.560 --> 01:50:21.399 lights for me, and it was just like I get it. 2059 01:50:22.119 --> 01:50:23.640 I know what it is, I know what to do. 2060 01:50:23.920 --> 01:50:27.199 And the first time I stood up to them, it 2061 01:50:27.319 --> 01:50:33.119 was so amazing and incredible and I was free. I 2062 01:50:33.239 --> 01:50:37.239 was free. And I had last attacks after that where 2063 01:50:37.279 --> 01:50:40.159 they've tried to come back and they have not not tried. 2064 01:50:40.199 --> 01:50:42.800 They have tried to come back over and over again. 2065 01:50:42.960 --> 01:50:45.880 They can't cross my threshold. I've broken all threshold covenant. 2066 01:50:45.960 --> 01:50:48.199 I've learned a lot about that stuff from my friend 2067 01:50:48.359 --> 01:50:51.119 Vicki joy Anderson, who you guys should talk to you sometimes. 2068 01:50:51.119 --> 01:50:53.439 She's amazing, but she helped me a lot with that, 2069 01:50:53.479 --> 01:50:55.560 with agreements I made that I didn't know I made, 2070 01:50:55.800 --> 01:50:58.000 with covenants I made I didn't know I made. And 2071 01:50:58.039 --> 01:51:02.600 then there were astral as well, where my handler came back. 2072 01:51:02.880 --> 01:51:06.199 It was about a year ago. It was an astral 2073 01:51:08.119 --> 01:51:12.119 and we went back into an area of the underground 2074 01:51:12.159 --> 01:51:16.119 where it's very like carved out of stone, and it's 2075 01:51:16.119 --> 01:51:18.479 an area been familiar with. It's been there. I don't 2076 01:51:18.520 --> 01:51:21.359 know how many maybe hundreds of times, who knows, but 2077 01:51:21.439 --> 01:51:22.840 as an area I was really familiar with, but it 2078 01:51:22.880 --> 01:51:25.239 was there an astral So it was really weird because 2079 01:51:25.279 --> 01:51:27.680 I've always been there physically, and I knew I wasn't 2080 01:51:27.680 --> 01:51:29.960 physically there but I was okay, and I knew God 2081 01:51:30.000 --> 01:51:32.439 was letting it happen for a reason. I just didn't 2082 01:51:32.479 --> 01:51:37.439 know what it was, and because I have since learned that. Anyway, 2083 01:51:37.479 --> 01:51:41.479 So we're there and he is has some of me. 2084 01:51:41.560 --> 01:51:44.920 He wanted me to be there and he wanted he 2085 01:51:44.960 --> 01:51:50.800 was begging me to come back, and he looked terrible. 2086 01:51:51.199 --> 01:51:54.199 He looked sick. He looked like he was dying. He 2087 01:51:54.239 --> 01:51:59.319 looked like this flat met almost brownish green color. He 2088 01:51:59.560 --> 01:52:04.199 was so I've never seen the detail on his face 2089 01:52:04.199 --> 01:52:08.479 before because he was always almost shining, and I saw 2090 01:52:08.560 --> 01:52:13.920 every crease line down the middle and across his forehead 2091 01:52:13.960 --> 01:52:17.600 and just every weird detail that I had never noticed before. 2092 01:52:17.680 --> 01:52:20.039 And maybe I was seeing him through different eyes as well. 2093 01:52:20.159 --> 01:52:23.439 There is also that possibility. But he really tried to 2094 01:52:23.479 --> 01:52:26.479 pull on my sense of wanting to save everything, Like 2095 01:52:26.920 --> 01:52:30.279 if there's an animal that needs to be saved, I'm 2096 01:52:30.279 --> 01:52:32.079 going to save it if it needs a home, I'm 2097 01:52:32.079 --> 01:52:34.000 going to take care of it, same with a child 2098 01:52:34.199 --> 01:52:37.039 or an adult or anybody. I'm just one of those rescuers. 2099 01:52:37.520 --> 01:52:41.880 And he was really trying to take advantage of that 2100 01:52:41.960 --> 01:52:44.199 and utilize that on me to try to get me 2101 01:52:44.279 --> 01:52:50.800 too and I and try to trick me into doing 2102 01:52:50.880 --> 01:52:55.520 something that would have been detrimental to me. And so 2103 01:52:55.840 --> 01:52:58.640 I just went back to my faith and I said, look, 2104 01:52:59.520 --> 01:53:02.800 you know, if you can admit that Jesus is, you know, 2105 01:53:03.439 --> 01:53:05.600 God here on earth in the flesh, and came to 2106 01:53:06.319 --> 01:53:08.239 do this and then you know, and went through my 2107 01:53:09.159 --> 01:53:12.439 and that was it. 2108 01:53:12.560 --> 01:53:16.239 So have you done any research as to why this 2109 01:53:16.399 --> 01:53:19.239 creature looked different this last go round? 2110 01:53:20.000 --> 01:53:20.239 Yeah? 2111 01:53:21.520 --> 01:53:24.720 So I'm not saying this for sure because I don't 2112 01:53:24.760 --> 01:53:27.800 know all the ins and outs of your story and 2113 01:53:28.000 --> 01:53:33.079 of your life. That being said, I know from personal 2114 01:53:33.119 --> 01:53:37.960 experience and also research that I have done into demonic entities, 2115 01:53:39.239 --> 01:53:41.359 the what's the name of the book, the Big Grimoire 2116 01:53:41.520 --> 01:53:45.079 that's like the basically demonic Bible and you name it. 2117 01:53:45.159 --> 01:53:47.640 I've delved into it, just not to dive into because 2118 01:53:47.640 --> 01:53:49.880 I was into it to dive into it for research, 2119 01:53:50.159 --> 01:53:54.880 Like strictly the reason why he looked so old and frail, 2120 01:53:54.880 --> 01:53:58.039 and all of that was because he was weak and 2121 01:53:58.119 --> 01:54:02.199 starving and dying. Uh, not physically dying, because we know 2122 01:54:02.239 --> 01:54:06.239 these creatures don't do that, more like his connection to 2123 01:54:06.439 --> 01:54:12.359 you was dying. These entities, from what I have found, 2124 01:54:12.520 --> 01:54:15.560 they feed off of fear for a lot of people. 2125 01:54:15.960 --> 01:54:19.079 That's why children always see these shadow creatures or whatever 2126 01:54:19.119 --> 01:54:22.439 that terrify them. And these entities feed off of fear 2127 01:54:22.479 --> 01:54:27.119 literally like its food. Some of them go for a 2128 01:54:27.159 --> 01:54:32.880 different approach. Yeah, there's demons do demonic shit, demonic ways, 2129 01:54:32.880 --> 01:54:36.920 that's how they get down. But from the research that 2130 01:54:36.960 --> 01:54:41.000 I've done, Also random question, but also very curious, did 2131 01:54:41.039 --> 01:54:43.960 you notice a change in eye color for Mere Handler 2132 01:54:44.039 --> 01:54:46.640 at any given point in your exposure to him? 2133 01:54:47.039 --> 01:54:47.680 Oh? Definitely. 2134 01:54:48.239 --> 01:54:51.119 What color eyes did they have? Give me the whole rundown. 2135 01:54:51.560 --> 01:54:55.800 It go from these almost icy blue eyes to a 2136 01:54:55.960 --> 01:55:04.000 golden to brown, and then the black would go this 2137 01:55:04.079 --> 01:55:07.640 way or this way. It was so weird. I mean, 2138 01:55:07.840 --> 01:55:09.920 the eyes were what freaked me out the most. But 2139 01:55:10.039 --> 01:55:14.439 the last time they were almost this like a dirty 2140 01:55:14.640 --> 01:55:18.479 gold color like flex in there, like flexi brown and gold. 2141 01:55:18.600 --> 01:55:21.560 It was just it's just and he said he needed 2142 01:55:21.600 --> 01:55:27.039 to be physically with me to heal him, because I'm like, 2143 01:55:27.239 --> 01:55:30.319 I'm not your savior. I'm not the person who can 2144 01:55:30.439 --> 01:55:35.359 heal you. You know, That's not how I'm doing this. It's 2145 01:55:35.359 --> 01:55:39.119 not how I'm living my life anymore, you know. So 2146 01:55:39.800 --> 01:55:41.760 I didn't have to be afraid, which was really wild 2147 01:55:41.840 --> 01:55:45.359 because I finally had myself put to that test where 2148 01:55:45.760 --> 01:55:47.880 we were face to face again. Because it had been 2149 01:55:47.920 --> 01:55:51.399 a long time, and I've had them outside my window, 2150 01:55:51.399 --> 01:55:54.000 I've had them out there somewhere and in the skies 2151 01:55:54.039 --> 01:55:55.720 and stuff, and I always feel them when they're around 2152 01:55:56.359 --> 01:55:58.520 the entities in general. But this is the first time 2153 01:55:58.520 --> 01:56:02.840 he ever, Yeah, this closed face to face, and I 2154 01:56:02.920 --> 01:56:03.479 wasn't scared. 2155 01:56:04.680 --> 01:56:08.720 So whenever you're whenever you know you're you're talking to 2156 01:56:08.760 --> 01:56:11.800 this demon or reptilian or handle or whatever he is, 2157 01:56:12.920 --> 01:56:16.239 and you're saying like, I'm not your savior, I'm not 2158 01:56:16.279 --> 01:56:17.640 going to be the one to save you, like you 2159 01:56:17.680 --> 01:56:20.199 think you need me, and you're you're telling them about, 2160 01:56:20.279 --> 01:56:23.439 you know, whatever your faith is, whether it's Jesus God, whatever, 2161 01:56:23.880 --> 01:56:28.680 And at any point in time, do you think that 2162 01:56:28.800 --> 01:56:31.119 he kind of got a little bit more curious and 2163 01:56:31.199 --> 01:56:34.680 wanted to know a little bit more, or do you think. 2164 01:56:34.880 --> 01:56:37.640 Do you think that these demons they just laugh at 2165 01:56:37.680 --> 01:56:39.680 the whole idea about being saved by God? Is it 2166 01:56:39.720 --> 01:56:40.479 like a joke to them? 2167 01:56:41.359 --> 01:56:44.279 They know more about our Christian Bible than anyone I've 2168 01:56:44.319 --> 01:56:48.319 ever met. They know it forwards and backwards literally, because 2169 01:56:48.359 --> 01:56:51.359 they know how the story ends front to back. They 2170 01:56:51.520 --> 01:56:55.279 know everything we're thinking. They know everything that's in that 2171 01:56:55.319 --> 01:56:59.119 book and more. They are so much more well versed 2172 01:56:59.119 --> 01:57:02.439 in it. There's nothing I can could say that would 2173 01:57:02.760 --> 01:57:07.439 shed any light on anything for them. And there it's 2174 01:57:07.760 --> 01:57:11.520 unbelievable how much they know. But don't get in a 2175 01:57:11.600 --> 01:57:13.079 quote in contest with them. I'll tell you that. 2176 01:57:13.960 --> 01:57:15.960 Well, I mean they were there, you know what I mean, 2177 01:57:15.960 --> 01:57:17.720 when the book was being written and when the events 2178 01:57:17.720 --> 01:57:20.840 were actually taking place. They were like, you know, physically there. 2179 01:57:20.920 --> 01:57:23.159 So and the only you know, yeah, I mean it's 2180 01:57:23.199 --> 01:57:25.960 just you know, we have all these different interpretations and 2181 01:57:26.119 --> 01:57:29.560 versions and stuff like that, and they're all just like, no, 2182 01:57:29.800 --> 01:57:31.880 they they know they know better than we do. 2183 01:57:32.399 --> 01:57:34.119 So I'm gonna be honest with you talking about the 2184 01:57:34.159 --> 01:57:37.039 eye color thing for a minute. So the research that 2185 01:57:37.079 --> 01:57:40.520 I did, my demonic entity had gold eyes for the 2186 01:57:40.520 --> 01:57:43.199 majority of my life. Now that was. I'm not saying 2187 01:57:43.199 --> 01:57:45.520 he was some sort of a general in the Demonic 2188 01:57:45.640 --> 01:57:48.039 Army by any means, but at least somebody with a 2189 01:57:48.079 --> 01:57:49.399 little bit of stroke. He had a little bit of 2190 01:57:49.439 --> 01:57:52.279 power behind him and could actually do some things. The 2191 01:57:52.359 --> 01:57:55.600 last time that he presented himself to me, he had 2192 01:57:55.680 --> 01:57:57.920 red eyes, but they weren't like a bright red. They 2193 01:57:57.920 --> 01:58:01.920 were like a very dark I don't want to say maroon, 2194 01:58:02.119 --> 01:58:07.359 but very a dark, dark red, very muted tone. The 2195 01:58:07.399 --> 01:58:11.159 research that I did basically meant that that at that time, anyway, 2196 01:58:11.239 --> 01:58:13.479 that demon had dropped a level. Now I don't know 2197 01:58:13.520 --> 01:58:15.439 if that's like a rank. I don't know if that's 2198 01:58:15.479 --> 01:58:18.359 a power level. I don't know to what degree that meant, 2199 01:58:18.720 --> 01:58:20.199 but he had taken he had been brought down a 2200 01:58:20.239 --> 01:58:22.039 Pegger two. And again I don't even know if that's 2201 01:58:22.039 --> 01:58:24.119 because of me or because he was doing a lot 2202 01:58:24.159 --> 01:58:26.399 of shit to other people and collectively he had lost 2203 01:58:26.439 --> 01:58:29.479 his loss himself. I don't know. I don't know. But 2204 01:58:30.239 --> 01:58:35.840 blue eyes, now that's interesting. I don't know much about 2205 01:58:35.880 --> 01:58:39.159 blue eyed demons what I and I know if you 2206 01:58:39.199 --> 01:58:41.039 look any of this up on Google, you're gonna find 2207 01:58:41.079 --> 01:58:43.800 anything about the Ice King game of thrones, all the shit. 2208 01:58:44.920 --> 01:58:47.840 If I'm not mistaken, and I could be, I'm going 2209 01:58:47.880 --> 01:58:50.159 to do research when we wrap this episode, I promise you, 2210 01:58:50.239 --> 01:58:54.319 because this is interesting. If I'm not mistaken, a blue 2211 01:58:54.319 --> 01:58:58.520 eyed demon is some how could I put this because 2212 01:58:58.520 --> 01:59:01.319 it's not the only terms I could use, their human terms. 2213 01:59:01.399 --> 01:59:03.920 So it's very difficult to explain what I'm trying to explain. 2214 01:59:04.279 --> 01:59:08.039 Well careful too, because he wasn't a demon, he was 2215 01:59:08.079 --> 01:59:12.079 a fallen angelic being demons angels? 2216 01:59:12.399 --> 01:59:13.920 Is that not literally the same thing? 2217 01:59:15.279 --> 01:59:19.520 Well not according to well not according to what I've experienced, 2218 01:59:19.520 --> 01:59:23.079 it not according to our biblical no, because. 2219 01:59:24.520 --> 01:59:26.600 Yeah, we've had people on that's come on and said 2220 01:59:26.600 --> 01:59:29.000 that same thing, that demons and fallen angels are not 2221 01:59:29.119 --> 01:59:29.720 the same thing. 2222 01:59:29.800 --> 01:59:33.159 They're angels are demonic, and you can call them demons. 2223 01:59:33.359 --> 01:59:35.760 That's fine, but it's a misnomer because demons are the 2224 01:59:35.840 --> 01:59:39.960 disembodied spirits of the nepheline because when they died, when 2225 01:59:39.960 --> 01:59:41.840 they were first taken out in the flood, and then 2226 01:59:41.920 --> 01:59:45.119 after that, God said, you're neither of heaven or of earth. 2227 01:59:45.640 --> 01:59:47.600 There is no to go. So these are the ones 2228 01:59:47.640 --> 01:59:50.520 that inhabit the little grays, the ones that tried inhabit 2229 01:59:50.560 --> 01:59:53.279 people that Jesus cast out of the guys and went 2230 01:59:53.279 --> 01:59:55.520 into the pigs. So yeah, I mean demons, and if 2231 01:59:55.560 --> 01:59:57.520 they're in a body, then the eye color can change 2232 01:59:57.520 --> 02:00:00.000 for sure. I was just asking for clarity more for myself. 2233 02:00:00.199 --> 02:00:01.880 No, no, I'm with you, and I think I kind 2234 02:00:01.920 --> 02:00:04.359 of group them all into the demon or demonic realm, 2235 02:00:04.399 --> 02:00:07.880 because yes, the nephileine, the disembodied souls of what was 2236 02:00:07.960 --> 02:00:10.399 once a walking Nephileine, Yes, they can't go up or down. 2237 02:00:10.439 --> 02:00:14.199 But I think because their parentage is of those fallen angels, 2238 02:00:14.199 --> 02:00:15.880 I just kind of lump them all in under the 2239 02:00:15.880 --> 02:00:17.960 same term. So my apologies for the misnumber. 2240 02:00:18.000 --> 02:00:20.239 Oh no, I was just trying to con for myself 2241 02:00:20.279 --> 02:00:22.800 clarify what if we're talking about the same thing or not? 2242 02:00:22.840 --> 02:00:27.359 Okay, okay, so the whole same idea behind like the devil, Lucifer, 2243 02:00:27.439 --> 02:00:30.560 and Satan. Are they all three different entities? Are they 2244 02:00:30.560 --> 02:00:32.840 all the same thing? Well, we maybe they all kind 2245 02:00:32.840 --> 02:00:34.319 of act the same, so we group them in the 2246 02:00:34.359 --> 02:00:34.840 same thing. 2247 02:00:35.079 --> 02:00:35.239 You know. 2248 02:00:35.279 --> 02:00:38.279 There's a lot of opinions on that as well well. 2249 02:00:38.199 --> 02:00:40.880 But then as a different terminology. So I'm just trying 2250 02:00:40.880 --> 02:00:43.359 to clarify for myself too, So please don't think I was. 2251 02:00:43.479 --> 02:00:45.279 I hope that I'm sorry. 2252 02:00:45.479 --> 02:00:49.520 But then there's also different there's different literature on that 2253 02:00:49.600 --> 02:00:52.479 topic as well, different ones that are been verified in 2254 02:00:52.520 --> 02:00:54.680 fact checks and all the things, and experts in these 2255 02:00:54.720 --> 02:00:58.479 fields cannot stop agreeing with X or Y, even though 2256 02:00:58.479 --> 02:01:01.239 they're conflicting and like all the things, all the things. 2257 02:01:01.680 --> 02:01:05.159 But it depends on what source you're looking at. Okay. 2258 02:01:05.199 --> 02:01:08.079 So a lot of people believe that, yes, Satan was 2259 02:01:08.119 --> 02:01:10.680 cast out, a third of the angelic body was cast 2260 02:01:10.680 --> 02:01:13.640 out with him. All of these creatures fell to earth. 2261 02:01:13.880 --> 02:01:17.560 All of these creatures became demons, tried to come to 2262 02:01:17.640 --> 02:01:20.600 Earth corrupt God's creation. We got the nephil from it, 2263 02:01:20.720 --> 02:01:23.039 all these things. Yes, yes, yes, and they just kind 2264 02:01:23.039 --> 02:01:26.520 of throw it in. Other people believe something more along 2265 02:01:26.560 --> 02:01:30.119 the lines of a Paradise Lost. Have you ever heard 2266 02:01:30.159 --> 02:01:30.840 or read that book? 2267 02:01:31.159 --> 02:01:31.560 Milton? 2268 02:01:31.720 --> 02:01:34.520 Yeah, Milton, you know it. Okay, So, yes, they were 2269 02:01:34.520 --> 02:01:38.039 all cast but only like you know, Satan and nine 2270 02:01:38.079 --> 02:01:40.800 of his top dogs were like actually like among the 2271 02:01:41.279 --> 02:01:44.279 it's so, and then you got the whole Dante Allegary's 2272 02:01:44.359 --> 02:01:46.880 version of everything. So it's like you have so many 2273 02:01:46.920 --> 02:01:50.800 different opinions of things. So again, just to my knowledge 2274 02:01:50.840 --> 02:01:53.079 and background, you're saying that this was not a demon 2275 02:01:53.159 --> 02:01:56.000 that was attached to you. You're saying that it was 2276 02:01:56.000 --> 02:01:59.479 the disembodied soul of a once nepheline. 2277 02:01:59.640 --> 02:02:00.119 No, I'm. 2278 02:02:02.960 --> 02:02:04.760 Okay, I'm sorry, I'm sorry I misunderstood. 2279 02:02:04.800 --> 02:02:09.560 So, and that is for them as angels, yeah, whatever 2280 02:02:09.560 --> 02:02:10.960 you want to call them. But it was just it 2281 02:02:11.039 --> 02:02:14.439 wasn't disembodied. It was fully in its body that it 2282 02:02:14.479 --> 02:02:17.760 had always had, and it was a fallen entitate whatever 2283 02:02:18.199 --> 02:02:18.880 you want to call it. 2284 02:02:19.279 --> 02:02:21.680 So, quite literally a sexy beast. 2285 02:02:21.960 --> 02:02:26.920 Dare I say there, didn't you? 2286 02:02:28.000 --> 02:02:32.880 Because yes, quite literally, I did, unfortunately have a Stockholm 2287 02:02:32.960 --> 02:02:37.039 syndrome type attachment to him for a very long time. Wow. 2288 02:02:37.039 --> 02:02:40.840 And that I have one more question for you, and 2289 02:02:40.880 --> 02:02:44.119 I'm and it's something that like you know, because you 2290 02:02:44.159 --> 02:02:49.239 say that you're you're being taken physically, right, okay. So, 2291 02:02:50.279 --> 02:02:53.079 and that's another reason why I asked, when was the 2292 02:02:53.079 --> 02:02:56.600 most recent time now in all of these events that 2293 02:02:56.640 --> 02:02:59.840 you're being taken? Did you have anybody else sleeping in 2294 02:02:59.880 --> 02:03:01.760 the bed with you? Was your husband there with you? 2295 02:03:01.840 --> 02:03:03.680 Were your kids ever there with you? Did they ever 2296 02:03:03.760 --> 02:03:05.359 realize that you ever left the room. 2297 02:03:06.279 --> 02:03:10.319 Yeah, oh yeah, there were other people there and they 2298 02:03:10.359 --> 02:03:13.680 would be in this crazy sleep state where nothing I 2299 02:03:13.720 --> 02:03:16.039 did would rouse them. There was one time when I 2300 02:03:16.039 --> 02:03:18.920 was driving in a car with a friend of mine 2301 02:03:19.079 --> 02:03:24.520 and it was like this horrible, out of nowhere lightning 2302 02:03:24.560 --> 02:03:26.720 storm comes up, all the lights in the cargo out 2303 02:03:26.840 --> 02:03:28.600 car goes, you know, off to the side of the road, 2304 02:03:28.920 --> 02:03:31.760 and we're like power outage. I write about this in 2305 02:03:31.800 --> 02:03:33.800 the book because it was so weird. You know, we 2306 02:03:34.079 --> 02:03:37.760 made a funny comment that made no sense whatsoever. Next thing, 2307 02:03:37.760 --> 02:03:39.479 you know, we're driving down the road on our way home. 2308 02:03:39.520 --> 02:03:41.640 I don't even know how much time passed. We never 2309 02:03:41.680 --> 02:03:46.560 spoke of it. So in that occasion, I'm you know, 2310 02:03:46.880 --> 02:03:50.560 guessing that he was taken us with me. But when 2311 02:03:50.720 --> 02:03:52.560 I had my husband or someone in the bed with me, 2312 02:03:53.600 --> 02:03:56.680 they would just be how cold, like just dead to 2313 02:03:56.680 --> 02:04:00.720 the world, no way to rouse them when and on 2314 02:04:00.800 --> 02:04:03.359 occasion I would just make my current husband he wakes 2315 02:04:03.439 --> 02:04:06.720 up for anything. I would just you know, try to 2316 02:04:06.760 --> 02:04:09.880 get him to nothing, no response whatsoever. 2317 02:04:10.399 --> 02:04:12.199 Do you ever think about like putting a camera in 2318 02:04:12.239 --> 02:04:12.600 the room. 2319 02:04:14.520 --> 02:04:18.560 Yeah, I just don't like the idea fall asleep with 2320 02:04:18.640 --> 02:04:25.119 a camera on me. Yeah no, but yeah, you know, 2321 02:04:25.600 --> 02:04:28.560 I guess that would have been a good idea in retrospect, 2322 02:04:28.600 --> 02:04:31.840 but I never really thought about doing that. 2323 02:04:32.000 --> 02:04:34.880 Now, Well, these things are few and far between, aren't they? 2324 02:04:34.920 --> 02:04:38.039 Like how often are these happening? Like every six months 2325 02:04:38.119 --> 02:04:39.399 or a year, every couple of years. 2326 02:04:39.960 --> 02:04:41.680 When I was little, it seemed like it was happening 2327 02:04:41.720 --> 02:04:46.199 all the time, But really looking back on it, it's 2328 02:04:46.239 --> 02:04:49.279 not as frequent as that, because you know, you're thinking 2329 02:04:49.319 --> 02:04:52.479 back on a lifetime and you know, maybe it's once 2330 02:04:52.520 --> 02:04:55.960 a month, maybe it's twice a month, you know, as 2331 02:04:55.960 --> 02:04:59.319 an adult, certainly, yeah, not. It just depended like if 2332 02:04:59.399 --> 02:05:04.439 they were doing a insemination type thing and there was 2333 02:05:04.520 --> 02:05:07.960 going to be a series of events, and it did 2334 02:05:08.000 --> 02:05:14.000 seem very cyclical, Like, yeah, there were definitely seasons of 2335 02:05:14.039 --> 02:05:15.760 my life or times in my life where it was 2336 02:05:15.760 --> 02:05:18.760 happening a lot more often. So then it would get 2337 02:05:18.760 --> 02:05:24.119 to a point where it just when you give yourself 2338 02:05:24.199 --> 02:05:27.720 the permission to separate this part of your life from 2339 02:05:27.720 --> 02:05:30.960 that part, the thought of putting a video camera or 2340 02:05:31.000 --> 02:05:35.680 something to capture them doesn't really cross your mind because 2341 02:05:35.720 --> 02:05:41.880 you've already separated your day to day life from what's happening, 2342 02:05:42.479 --> 02:05:46.119 and so for me, when I just split from that, 2343 02:05:46.399 --> 02:05:49.920 for lack of a better word, I really did. I mean, 2344 02:05:50.359 --> 02:05:52.439 knowing it was happening, knowing they were there, and knowing 2345 02:05:52.439 --> 02:05:55.479 it was coming, being frightened all the time, that's one thing. 2346 02:05:56.800 --> 02:05:59.479 But then allowing myself to think logically about what to 2347 02:05:59.520 --> 02:06:02.479 do about it, But that's bringing it in. 2348 02:06:03.159 --> 02:06:05.039 And I was in a different world at that point. 2349 02:06:05.640 --> 02:06:08.199 It is, and I wasn't willing to bring it in 2350 02:06:08.239 --> 02:06:12.119 to my life anymore. It's too hard, you know, as 2351 02:06:12.159 --> 02:06:14.119 too hard as it was. But then to have to 2352 02:06:14.159 --> 02:06:18.840 think logically about it meant meant that I really would 2353 02:06:19.000 --> 02:06:21.279 be forced to look at it, and I didn't want to. 2354 02:06:22.359 --> 02:06:25.920 So I want to ask you this, and I wish 2355 02:06:25.960 --> 02:06:28.000 that we can go longer. We have another show coming 2356 02:06:28.079 --> 02:06:30.199 up here in like a half an hour or else 2357 02:06:30.199 --> 02:06:33.479 we would extend this bad Boy four hours, but that 2358 02:06:33.600 --> 02:06:35.600 only opens the door for another show. 2359 02:06:36.439 --> 02:06:39.000 I only last for so long anyway, So yes, we 2360 02:06:39.039 --> 02:06:40.720 can definitely continue this another time. 2361 02:06:40.760 --> 02:06:43.720 Absolutely, Okay, great, But one last question I have for 2362 02:06:43.760 --> 02:06:47.399 you so and you might not even remember this, this 2363 02:06:47.479 --> 02:06:52.600 is I get it. Whenever you would have these let's 2364 02:06:52.680 --> 02:06:57.359 just call them sessions where you're going to another place 2365 02:06:57.640 --> 02:07:02.239 and being abducted by these entities. Do you recall the 2366 02:07:02.279 --> 02:07:06.279 the state of mind that you were in. Were you 2367 02:07:06.279 --> 02:07:09.359 in a fearful state of mind before you went to bed? 2368 02:07:09.680 --> 02:07:12.239 Was it a shitty day leading up to this? Were 2369 02:07:12.239 --> 02:07:14.319 there bad things that were going on in your life 2370 02:07:14.680 --> 02:07:18.760 that would essentially open the door for something like this 2371 02:07:18.840 --> 02:07:19.319 to happen. 2372 02:07:19.920 --> 02:07:20.560 Good question. 2373 02:07:21.279 --> 02:07:24.239 Yeah, there were a lot of things that opened doorways 2374 02:07:24.279 --> 02:07:28.680 for this in my life. There were Masons in my family. 2375 02:07:28.880 --> 02:07:31.479 I myself was inducted into the Rainbow Girls, which is 2376 02:07:31.560 --> 02:07:34.600 the young young girl version. 2377 02:07:35.199 --> 02:07:38.000 Yeah, that's the kid version of the Eastern Star, very 2378 02:07:38.000 --> 02:07:40.720 similar being the kid version of the Masons. 2379 02:07:40.800 --> 02:07:42.960 Yeah, my mom and dad were Eastern Star in d Malay. 2380 02:07:43.039 --> 02:07:46.239 My grandfather was a very high level Mason. They were 2381 02:07:46.319 --> 02:07:48.880 members of my family who dabbled in some of the 2382 02:07:48.960 --> 02:07:51.840 darker arts and things like that. You know, there'd be 2383 02:07:51.840 --> 02:07:54.159 a Weegi board. My dad was completely against those things, 2384 02:07:54.239 --> 02:07:56.079 let me tell you right now, but they still find 2385 02:07:56.079 --> 02:08:00.720 their way in and so they were all all kinds 2386 02:08:00.720 --> 02:08:03.840 of things. I could read cards from the day I 2387 02:08:03.840 --> 02:08:05.760 could pick up a deck of cards. I could read 2388 02:08:05.800 --> 02:08:07.760 minds from the day. I could look at somebody I 2389 02:08:07.800 --> 02:08:11.520 could tell you what was going to happen. Premonitions abounded 2390 02:08:11.600 --> 02:08:14.640 on me. I mean just all kinds of stuff like that, 2391 02:08:15.720 --> 02:08:19.439 you know, sleepovers, when you'd have slumber parties and everyone 2392 02:08:19.439 --> 02:08:27.760 would do seances, things I could put my fingers under someone, and. 2393 02:08:27.800 --> 02:08:30.199 That seemed to be a whole thing with girl slumber parties. 2394 02:08:30.199 --> 02:08:32.079 I feel like it's like a rite of pass. It's 2395 02:08:32.159 --> 02:08:34.880 kind of like the whole Bloody Mary and the Mirror thing, 2396 02:08:35.119 --> 02:08:38.079 like that's the thing the kids do. Apparently, little girl 2397 02:08:38.159 --> 02:08:40.279 sleepover is like, why is a feather stiff as a 2398 02:08:40.279 --> 02:08:41.359 board just happens? 2399 02:08:43.119 --> 02:08:45.039 Yeah, it must have come with a manual. I don't know, 2400 02:08:45.079 --> 02:08:47.960 because that was like every single one. Yeah, And then 2401 02:08:47.960 --> 02:08:49.680 I got to the point where I wouldn't even go 2402 02:08:49.800 --> 02:08:54.000 near it because when one little girl actually gets lifted 2403 02:08:54.079 --> 02:08:56.279 up the floor, everyone starts screaming and crying and everyone 2404 02:08:56.319 --> 02:08:58.199 goes home, and it's not the slumber party you want 2405 02:08:58.199 --> 02:09:00.000 to have with your girlfriends when you're seven years old. 2406 02:09:00.600 --> 02:09:07.720 So you she was just saying, so you know, and 2407 02:09:07.800 --> 02:09:11.680 every actually expects it to happen. I will say that 2408 02:09:11.720 --> 02:09:12.600 as well. 2409 02:09:12.680 --> 02:09:15.479 Right, everybody thinks secretly that it's a joke. And nothing's 2410 02:09:15.479 --> 02:09:18.279 going to happen until they make a kid levitate, and it's. 2411 02:09:18.159 --> 02:09:21.760 Like, okay, someone levitates and she starts crying, and then 2412 02:09:21.760 --> 02:09:22.880 everyone gets in trouble. 2413 02:09:22.920 --> 02:09:25.560 And then you got called the moms and they're wondering 2414 02:09:25.560 --> 02:09:27.720 what kind of demonic house they let their daughters sleep. 2415 02:09:27.760 --> 02:09:29.880 It's a whole thing, especially in the Bible building. 2416 02:09:29.880 --> 02:09:32.199 All right, Oh yeah, and then it's do you way 2417 02:09:32.239 --> 02:09:34.319 more than a duck or rocks or whatever? Three small 2418 02:09:34.399 --> 02:09:35.079 rocks or whatever. 2419 02:09:35.199 --> 02:09:39.800 So it's. 2420 02:09:40.199 --> 02:09:46.720 So you were you were basically kind of raised around dark, crazy, 2421 02:09:47.000 --> 02:09:50.039 wild things. I mean, growing up as in the Rainbow 2422 02:09:50.039 --> 02:09:52.640 Grills and your parents being involved in the Masons and 2423 02:09:52.640 --> 02:09:56.239 stuff like that, and seances and tarot cards and psychic 2424 02:09:56.319 --> 02:09:59.800 readings and whenever you look back. I hate that I'm 2425 02:09:59.800 --> 02:10:02.479 even the person that has to ask this question, but 2426 02:10:03.119 --> 02:10:08.279 I mean, are those all kind of powers of the devil? 2427 02:10:08.319 --> 02:10:09.039 In your opinion? 2428 02:10:10.079 --> 02:10:14.680 Well, there are certainly things that are forbidden because you know, 2429 02:10:15.640 --> 02:10:19.359 because they are you're going back into. It's not that 2430 02:10:19.399 --> 02:10:22.079 they're forbidden because we can't do them. It's not that 2431 02:10:22.119 --> 02:10:25.680 we're there forbidden because they're not possible. They're forbidden because 2432 02:10:25.720 --> 02:10:29.760 when we start opening these doorways and interacting with these 2433 02:10:29.920 --> 02:10:34.840 entities that are stronger and more intelligent and more aware 2434 02:10:35.399 --> 02:10:39.560 and have the ability to manipulate space, time, matter, energy 2435 02:10:39.640 --> 02:10:43.119 and see and understand things that we can't. It's like 2436 02:10:43.520 --> 02:10:48.119 putting a puppy and alliance Dan, we're defenseless. There's a 2437 02:10:48.159 --> 02:10:50.760 reason we're told not to do it. Not because God 2438 02:10:50.800 --> 02:10:53.560 doesn't want us to have any fun or win the 2439 02:10:53.600 --> 02:10:56.319 lottery or whatever people might do with it. It's because 2440 02:10:56.600 --> 02:10:59.520 it's dangerous for us and we're not equipped for that, 2441 02:11:00.079 --> 02:11:03.600 and we're dealing with entities that He knows how much 2442 02:11:03.640 --> 02:11:06.119 stronger they are than we are and how much more capable. 2443 02:11:06.680 --> 02:11:10.520 So it also kills them that people acknowledge that power corrupts. 2444 02:11:10.960 --> 02:11:12.680 But then they want to go fuck with entities that 2445 02:11:12.720 --> 02:11:16.199 are far more powerful than they can even comprehend. And 2446 02:11:16.239 --> 02:11:18.560 that's like a positive thing, oh, because they're good guys. 2447 02:11:18.560 --> 02:11:19.640 Like hmm. 2448 02:11:20.880 --> 02:11:24.119 People enjoy scaring themselves with things like content houses and 2449 02:11:24.159 --> 02:11:27.960 all these other things where they're encountering these these entities 2450 02:11:28.000 --> 02:11:32.279 that are clearly scary, you know, and watching scary movies 2451 02:11:32.319 --> 02:11:34.640 and doing these other things because they know it exists, 2452 02:11:35.880 --> 02:11:38.159 but they don't really want to admit it. Or admit 2453 02:11:38.199 --> 02:11:40.560 that the power that it possesses or the danger that 2454 02:11:40.640 --> 02:11:43.119 it can put a person in. So yeah, I was 2455 02:11:43.720 --> 02:11:47.159 definitely opening portals left and right. Others were opening those 2456 02:11:47.199 --> 02:11:50.560 portals for me. Somewhere along the line, someone gave permission 2457 02:11:50.600 --> 02:11:53.399 for me to be taken. And whether it was something 2458 02:11:53.439 --> 02:11:55.720 as simple as the creata treaty, or whether it was 2459 02:11:55.760 --> 02:12:01.159 something as complex as my grandfather putting me up as 2460 02:12:01.199 --> 02:12:03.600 his sacrificial thing or whatever, you know what I mean, 2461 02:12:03.640 --> 02:12:07.079 who knows. I have no idea who gave what permissions, 2462 02:12:07.199 --> 02:12:09.159 but quite a few of them. I quite likely just 2463 02:12:09.199 --> 02:12:15.039 gave myself right and unknowingly or knowingly but not realizing 2464 02:12:15.039 --> 02:12:18.039 how dangerous it was, just thinking it was fun. Yeah, 2465 02:12:18.079 --> 02:12:20.680 the same, It's just the Oigi board. It's just fun. 2466 02:12:20.760 --> 02:12:22.800 And no, playing with the Wigi board doesn't mean you're 2467 02:12:22.840 --> 02:12:26.199 automatically opening yourself up to being abducted or taken or 2468 02:12:26.279 --> 02:12:29.000 opening a portal. No, but you don't want to take 2469 02:12:29.039 --> 02:12:31.720 the chances, especially if you've got friends and family and 2470 02:12:31.760 --> 02:12:34.159 loved ones. If you got children, you got your dog, 2471 02:12:34.239 --> 02:12:38.760 anyone you love that's also vulnerable, you're going to put 2472 02:12:38.760 --> 02:12:41.119 them in harm's way too. And we have to think 2473 02:12:41.159 --> 02:12:44.960 about others, not just ourselves. And that's not something I realized, 2474 02:12:45.079 --> 02:12:48.399 but it's something I've since learned. You know that regardless 2475 02:12:48.439 --> 02:12:51.920 of who opened those portals, open those doorways, gave those permissions, 2476 02:12:52.680 --> 02:12:55.880 I was able to ask for those things to be closed, 2477 02:12:56.119 --> 02:13:00.439 to be negated, to be ended on my behalf and 2478 02:13:01.319 --> 02:13:03.359 I had but I had to do that, you know, 2479 02:13:03.600 --> 02:13:06.279 and because it's me and it's affecting me, and it 2480 02:13:06.319 --> 02:13:09.600 can affect others. So that was my responsibility and that's 2481 02:13:09.640 --> 02:13:11.680 how I was able to stop it and to free 2482 02:13:11.680 --> 02:13:18.439 myself from this lifetime of of just terrifying abduction experiences. 2483 02:13:19.279 --> 02:13:23.600 Well, Aaron, we we appreciate all the time that you've 2484 02:13:23.600 --> 02:13:27.800 come to spend here with us very insightful information. I mean, 2485 02:13:28.079 --> 02:13:31.760 the the experiences that you have on multiple occasions. And 2486 02:13:31.920 --> 02:13:34.479 I'm sure we barely even graze the surface, to be 2487 02:13:34.479 --> 02:13:36.960 honest with you, because there's certain things that you just 2488 02:13:37.000 --> 02:13:39.479 said in that last sentence. I was like, well, what what? 2489 02:13:39.479 --> 02:13:42.039 What I need to know more? But we'll we'll make 2490 02:13:42.079 --> 02:13:45.680 this a whole series. It'll it'll definitely we'll cover as 2491 02:13:45.760 --> 02:13:48.159 much as we possibly could. I don't I don't care 2492 02:13:48.159 --> 02:13:50.479 how many episodes it takes we love having you, we 2493 02:13:50.560 --> 02:13:53.720 love talking to you, and anybody that wants to be 2494 02:13:53.760 --> 02:13:56.199 able to find any of your information or reach out 2495 02:13:56.239 --> 02:13:59.279 to you look into your book. Where where would they 2496 02:13:59.279 --> 02:14:00.359 be able to find that information? 2497 02:14:01.199 --> 02:14:04.079 Okay, well thanks? First of all, I love you guys too. 2498 02:14:04.279 --> 02:14:06.439 Just sit and talk with you, guys. Has been so 2499 02:14:06.680 --> 02:14:09.359 easy this time flew by and yes there's we just 2500 02:14:09.439 --> 02:14:12.199 scratched the surface. But I will come back anytime because 2501 02:14:12.199 --> 02:14:14.560 it is so fun and easy to talk to you guys. 2502 02:14:14.760 --> 02:14:17.479 I feel like I've actually laughed more tonight than I 2503 02:14:17.520 --> 02:14:20.199 have ever in another interview, so that is great because 2504 02:14:20.239 --> 02:14:22.960 this is not easy subject material to talk about, so 2505 02:14:23.119 --> 02:14:27.079 thank you for that. You can find me. My website 2506 02:14:27.199 --> 02:14:30.000 is Karen Wilkinson author dot com. I'll give you all 2507 02:14:30.039 --> 02:14:31.760 this for the show notes or you should have it, 2508 02:14:33.239 --> 02:14:36.439 and from there you can find links to everything. But 2509 02:14:36.479 --> 02:14:41.399 the book is available exclusively at Lamarzuli dot dot net. 2510 02:14:41.720 --> 02:14:45.680 That's l A m A r z U l l 2511 02:14:45.880 --> 02:14:48.399 i dot net. Links to that are also on my 2512 02:14:48.439 --> 02:14:51.920 website and on my social media Facebook and Instagram. It's 2513 02:14:51.920 --> 02:14:55.000 just under my name. On Facebook It's Karen Wilkinson and 2514 02:14:55.119 --> 02:14:58.399 on Instagram it's Karen Wilkinson author. I don't know why 2515 02:14:58.399 --> 02:15:02.720 I couldn't get the same and all of those have 2516 02:15:02.800 --> 02:15:04.920 links to each other. So if you want to reach 2517 02:15:04.960 --> 02:15:08.880 out to me, please don't hesitate. There's a contact page 2518 02:15:08.960 --> 02:15:12.399 on my website. I will get back to you, not 2519 02:15:12.520 --> 02:15:15.199 always right away. I get a lot of messages and 2520 02:15:15.239 --> 02:15:16.920 I do take the time to go through each one 2521 02:15:17.119 --> 02:15:20.840 myself and respond myself, so it does take time, but 2522 02:15:20.880 --> 02:15:24.159 I will get back to your promin it's just really busy. 2523 02:15:24.159 --> 02:15:27.279 I will be at the I'll be in Orlando at 2524 02:15:27.279 --> 02:15:30.199 the Prophecy Watchers conference end of I don't know when 2525 02:15:30.239 --> 02:15:31.760 this is coming out, so that'll be the end of 2526 02:15:32.199 --> 02:15:35.079 February beginning of March, and then I'll have more events 2527 02:15:35.159 --> 02:15:37.760 on my website very soon as soon as I have 2528 02:15:37.840 --> 02:15:40.039 everything else confirmed. There's a bunch of events coming up 2529 02:15:40.039 --> 02:15:41.840 this year that I will be at. I love to 2530 02:15:41.840 --> 02:15:44.239 meet people at events. Just sign copies of the book, 2531 02:15:44.319 --> 02:15:48.239 talk to people, meet people, talk about what their experiences are, 2532 02:15:48.359 --> 02:15:52.760 and just you know, share with each other and just 2533 02:15:52.840 --> 02:15:56.239 have an opportunity to talk and meet people is probably 2534 02:15:56.279 --> 02:15:58.520 the best part of this. So please reach out to 2535 02:15:58.560 --> 02:16:02.279 me if you're looking to just share your story or 2536 02:16:03.119 --> 02:16:06.880 want to just have someone with something in common don't hesitate. 2537 02:16:07.760 --> 02:16:10.960 Absolutely well, look, we appreciate it so much. This was 2538 02:16:11.000 --> 02:16:14.319 so much fun and like I said, can't wait to 2539 02:16:14.359 --> 02:16:18.760 do it again, but until next time, this was another 2540 02:16:18.800 --> 02:16:22.399 beautiful episode of the Cult of Conspiracy. And my name's 2541 02:16:22.439 --> 02:16:25.800 Jonathan Drake and there's one very important, extremely vital piece 2542 02:16:25.800 --> 02:16:27.560 of information we need you to learn just as soon 2543 02:16:27.680 --> 02:18:01.959 as humanly possible. Open up that third