Speaker 1: A women's society walking in the shadows, the cultiedition. A
Speaker 1: women's society walking in the shadows.
Speaker 2: The cultition. Hey, thank you so much for finally. Oh
Speaker 2: I feel like this has been amazing for a long time.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, super excited to him.
Speaker 4: We got so yeah, we were so excited, so so excited.
Speaker 4: You yeah, just connecting our perpose. Juliet and I are
Speaker 4: growing up. But a lot of the time we sit
Speaker 4: there going.
Speaker 2: That's what we did. You know.
Speaker 3: What's interesting is like it's been like the last couple
Speaker 3: of months where so I I I work for the
Speaker 3: federal government here in the United States, and it's like,
Speaker 3: you know, it's it's it's a busy, busy season, and
Speaker 3: especially like when you're in law enforcement, there's a lot
Speaker 3: of different factors that, uh, you know pull at your schedule,
Speaker 3: a lot of them. And so it's like when I
Speaker 3: the last couple of months, because now I'm more or
Speaker 3: less in like a senior level, So now like a
Speaker 3: lot of times my evenings are now like open. So
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, what do you do with your
Speaker 3: with your evenings? I know what I'll do and you know,
Speaker 3: kind of start delving into all your little hobbies and
Speaker 3: and and the things that interest you, and obviously cryptozoology
Speaker 3: is one of them. So yeah, so definitely this is
Speaker 3: an awesome way to spend my time and and to
Speaker 3: be with like individuals like.
Speaker 2: Oh that's awesome.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it takes it takes over your world,
Speaker 4: doesn't it. You just kind of like every light speed
Speaker 4: little man.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: Even at work, it's like, yeah, I've got two minutes up, Okay,
Speaker 4: what am I watching now?
Speaker 3: People are like what are you watching?
Speaker 5: Like, oh, literally, Like when I go and drop my
Speaker 5: little baby off to Kendy, the girls are like, what
Speaker 5: are you up to today?
Speaker 2: Late? So you're going to work And I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm just going to go.
Speaker 5: And do an interview about Bigfoot just like what, Yeah,
Speaker 5: I just got to quick.
Speaker 2: It'll be great.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, I'm sure they all think we're I think our
Speaker 5: friends now think we're a bit crazy, But we're.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, but are we? Are we with with everything that,
Speaker 3: especially when in context with what our conversation is going
Speaker 3: to be. It's one of those things where you know,
Speaker 3: these things, these whatever they are, these entities, these whether
Speaker 3: they're biological, whether they're like some kind of an undiscovered species,
Speaker 3: an animal or you know, some theories are that they're
Speaker 3: interdimensional beings and stuff, and you start hearing all these
Speaker 3: different theories and it's definitely something that requires I believe,
Speaker 3: especially like somebody like me who's in law enforcement. You know,
Speaker 3: there's there's things called anecdotal evidence, right, and like there
Speaker 3: are so many accounts of people who are who aren't
Speaker 3: people with any kind of mental deficiencies. You know, there
Speaker 3: aren't people with any kind of issues that you would think, oh,
Speaker 3: they're doing it for you know, for clout, they're doing
Speaker 3: it for money and stuff like that, that that really
Speaker 3: do have these intense encounters with these things. And you know,
Speaker 3: these are people that are you know, ex law enforcement,
Speaker 3: military personnel, you know, people in the medical field, you know,
Speaker 3: people in government, high end government. I mean, we had
Speaker 3: a president of the United States. I believe that, you know,
Speaker 3: Teddy Roosevelt, if I'm not mistaken that you know it
Speaker 3: has an account of a bigfoot, you know.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, that's pretty that's pretty cool.
Speaker 3: I mean it's the United States. I mean, unless you
Speaker 3: know he was really you know, going back on Grand Puzzle, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: The Devil's Letters, as we've been told, we learned and
Speaker 5: you would a couple of weeks ago that it's the
Speaker 5: Devil's letters, And I was like, this is great.
Speaker 2: Why are we calling it pot?
Speaker 3: I don't think it would have taken an exorbitant amount
Speaker 3: of marijuana to have you hallucinate and see something there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, how yes, yeah, yeah, the two mushrooms out in
Speaker 4: the field.
Speaker 3: So mushrooms maybe, But.
Speaker 5: And what was the president of the United States of
Speaker 5: America doing mushies?
Speaker 2: Like questionable?
Speaker 3: Who knows?
Speaker 2: I don't lose your job after that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he's like a batman out. Oh god, okay,
Speaker 4: try not to get you in trouble.
Speaker 2: We get.
Speaker 3: Please November so soon right now, that's like next week
Speaker 3: is election.
Speaker 4: So I know, oh my god, the crazy stuff I've
Speaker 4: been seeing of, you know, like people knocking on other
Speaker 4: people's doors and yelling at them because they've got like
Speaker 4: a poster of the flannel. Yeah, that doesn't happen here.
Speaker 4: That there's no, there's absolutely none of that here. Like
Speaker 4: you can have people from every different government living in
Speaker 4: the same house. There is no kind of each other
Speaker 4: about it. But that is that, there's nothing like that here. Like,
Speaker 4: you know, we're always fascinated, aren't we we watch stuff,
Speaker 4: we see the other but we're very.
Speaker 2: Careful not to mention anything like that.
Speaker 4: You know, we stay out of the whole politics, and
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 5: Honestly, in news, we're like, we just give them so
Speaker 5: much shit. We're like, you were rubbish. You said you
Speaker 5: were going to increase the speed limit back to one
Speaker 5: hundred and it's still at eighty.
Speaker 2: I'll help you by using a vivid to draw one
Speaker 2: hundred on the signs for you.
Speaker 3: I'll help.
Speaker 2: It's taken six months.
Speaker 4: Well, we even had one guy that ended up with
Speaker 4: there were so many potholes, he went in and filled
Speaker 4: them up south he just gave up waiting for the
Speaker 4: council to do it.
Speaker 5: So you know what, do you know what they've done
Speaker 5: in my hometown. They've gone around and they've put flowers,
Speaker 5: Like they've started growing flowers out of these potholes so
Speaker 5: that people systematically drive around them.
Speaker 3: That's amazing. I can see them turning into beautiful pieces
Speaker 3: something like that.
Speaker 5: For so live in the country though, you know, like
Speaker 5: so we live way out in the sticks, like an
Speaker 5: hour and a half drive from the main city.
Speaker 2: So it's literally like we call it Conatin.
Speaker 5: At the moment, instead of Carterton because there's just so
Speaker 5: many road cones. So we're like, oh, well, we'll just
Speaker 5: beautify it, just put you know, flowers in, since you know, make.
Speaker 2: A counts as a piece of shit and doesn't want
Speaker 2: to do the job.
Speaker 3: Absolutely makes sense. Why not? I was kind of hoping
Speaker 3: that one of them, somebody in politics, gets so desperate
Speaker 3: to become the next something or other that they'll release
Speaker 3: whatever top secret things that they have just to kind
Speaker 3: of one up the other one. So I'm like, which
Speaker 3: one's gonna be the UFO files, which one's gonna release the.
Speaker 2: Big Mouffman, which one's gonna pop out? Don't man?
Speaker 3: And two Pacabra because so with with me? So I'm
Speaker 3: Puerto Rican obviously, and and well not obviously you wouldn't
Speaker 3: know that if you saw me. But anyways, I'm Puerto
Speaker 3: Rican and and one of the the way that I
Speaker 3: kind of started getting into i'd always back. And I'm
Speaker 3: fifty one years old, so for me, the Internet didn't
Speaker 3: exist in my youth. You know, my children now can
Speaker 3: avail themselves of that resource and they do it well.
Speaker 3: I mean you and I do. Look at us, we're
Speaker 3: talking like this. Never in my mouth. Yeah. No, in
Speaker 3: my youth, we had to you know, two paper cups
Speaker 3: and a little string from one house to the next.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Or you know, for us, you couldn't get phone calls
Speaker 3: past nine o'clock. So we had that code where you
Speaker 3: would call hang up as soon as somebody picks up,
Speaker 3: and then they know to call you back and stuff
Speaker 3: like that. Because yeah, so things are so much different
Speaker 3: now where it's like like back then, you know, I
Speaker 3: would get information from encyclopedias, and I remember seeing the
Speaker 3: first pictures of the surgeons film, that real popular surgeon's
Speaker 3: film for the Locknecks Monster that ended up being fake.
Speaker 3: It wasn't real, and and that was disheartening. But then
Speaker 3: it's that that, you know, the U the Patterson Gimlin
Speaker 3: film and in the uh that I remember that one
Speaker 3: still in the encyclopedia and it was Bigfoot, it was Patty,
Speaker 3: and it was just I was ever since then I
Speaker 3: was a kid. I was just consumed because I'm like
Speaker 3: the world is so huge. It's so big. You know,
Speaker 3: the Olympic Peninsula. You see all these areas out in
Speaker 3: you know, in Canada and stuff, and it's like, you know,
Speaker 3: millions of miles worth of like unexplored territory. Why not?
Speaker 3: Why not?
Speaker 5: I was just gonna say so, like you coming from
Speaker 5: a small island like Puerto Rico is so similar to
Speaker 5: the Polynesian islands that you know, for example, like my
Speaker 5: partner is from someone, and so we went to Somemo
Speaker 5: in July to meet all of his family, and man,
Speaker 5: we had some crazy stuff that happened over there, and
Speaker 5: I was like, Oh, there's so much here.
Speaker 2: It was such an exciting moment for Juliet and I
Speaker 2: to kind of.
Speaker 5: Be a part of and just go oh, I can't
Speaker 5: wait to get into it a bit more. And like,
Speaker 5: so for you coming from such a small island, it's
Speaker 5: so similar comparisons as far as like like cultural indigenous
Speaker 5: cultural folklore and all that sort of stuff as well.
Speaker 5: So it's honest, it's really like, you know, it's old
Speaker 5: and it's honest.
Speaker 2: It's not this Western bullshit that we put over the top.
Speaker 5: Of it, isn't it.
Speaker 4: There's the Hollywood version that's slowly kind of checked stuff
Speaker 4: and yeah, it's yeah, And that's why we are doing
Speaker 4: that kind of research and going into the indigenous populations
Speaker 4: and the native people and those sort of stories because
Speaker 4: it's so real, it's so cool.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and you look at it through so like,
Speaker 3: for instance, Puerto Rico, it's part of the Bermuda Triangle,
Speaker 3: so there's always yeah, we're.
Speaker 2: Going to bring that up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So Puerto Rico has always had that that that
Speaker 3: mystique to it because it's one of the corners of
Speaker 3: the Bermuda Triangle. I forgot what the other two. I
Speaker 3: know it's Florida and Puerto Rico, and I forgot what
Speaker 3: the other point was. But but it's one of those
Speaker 3: things where Puerto Rico has always been draped in this
Speaker 3: kind of sorry, what's kind of moving. Puerto Rico has
Speaker 3: always kind of been draped with this kind of folklore
Speaker 3: where where you know, a ton of UFO sidings. The
Speaker 3: United States government had the biggest satellite dish in the
Speaker 3: in the United States in Puerto Rico and it's in
Speaker 3: it's an al Junka and it's like the rainforest there.
Speaker 3: And their story is going back to when they first
Speaker 3: fired that thing off. The amount of UFOs that I mean,
Speaker 3: this is going back to my great grandmother, you know,
Speaker 3: from her time in These are honest, simple people, and
Speaker 3: by what I mean simple I don't mean simple minded.
Speaker 3: They're they're there. You know, they do have a very
Speaker 3: powerful sense of observation. You know, you're not gonna pull
Speaker 3: the wool over their eyes. But when you have somebody
Speaker 3: like my great grandmother who would say, yeah, she remembers
Speaker 3: walking home from this little what this little makeshift school
Speaker 3: back when when it was her you know, when it
Speaker 3: was her time and stuff, and she remembers saying, you know,
Speaker 3: lights in the skies that just didn't make sense, and
Speaker 3: you know, you know, she would get in trouble if
Speaker 3: she would bring it up too much because people were
Speaker 3: having these experiences. So what it was is they kind
Speaker 3: of chalked it up to like, all right, these kids
Speaker 3: are bored, they're not doing anything. We need to do
Speaker 3: something with them. And in reality, it was these supernatural
Speaker 3: experiences or out of you know, interdimensional experiences that they
Speaker 3: were having and they couldn't talk about it because if
Speaker 3: they talked about it, they'd get in trouble because they're
Speaker 3: making it up. And it kind of kind in that
Speaker 3: same attitude whenever we get on the on the subject
Speaker 3: of the chupacaba, that same attitude kind of followed the
Speaker 3: chupa Kada a little bit, but then again it was
Speaker 3: the anecdotal evidence that countered that, you know, that type
Speaker 3: of argument.
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, and that that's kind of you know,
Speaker 4: there's been the sign through kind of every area, you know,
Speaker 4: and right back in your great grandmother or your grandmother's time,
Speaker 4: there wouldn't have been all the planes. There wouldn't have
Speaker 4: been helicopters and all the stuff flying around all the time.
Speaker 4: You wouldn't have had the savellites and you know all
Speaker 4: that kind of stuff. So they, you know, they can't
Speaker 4: turn around and go it's not this. You know, we've
Speaker 4: seen stuff and kind of gone, yeah, pretty sure, that's
Speaker 4: not a hall like cut to the road plane. You know,
Speaker 4: it's just it's everywhere, you know, and this is like again,
Speaker 4: this is like years and years ago when I was
Speaker 4: a teenager.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it does, and you probably too.
Speaker 4: You kind of get to that point where you get
Speaker 4: really frustrated sometimes with people because they just they won't
Speaker 4: even acknowledge that there's something else out there. But yeah,
Speaker 4: I think it comes from a big fear thing, isn't it.
Speaker 4: You know, there's this real fear of the unknown where
Speaker 4: you know, like us and you know, people like us
Speaker 4: we kind of go, oh, let's let's go oh, like
Speaker 4: there was a dog man over there, let's go let's
Speaker 4: go have a work.
Speaker 3: People go that way and we go that way.
Speaker 5: If we can find people like what yeah, yeah, well,
Speaker 5: I mean that's that sort of thing is what spurred
Speaker 5: Cryptid Women's Society on. We started getting all of these
Speaker 5: women talking to us and guys, but a lot of
Speaker 5: women going, We've got these stories we haven't told anyone before,
Speaker 5: but you guys seem really open to it. I want
Speaker 5: to tell you about it. And Juliet and I were like,
Speaker 5: this is insane. We have so many people wanting to
Speaker 5: talk about these stories. And it was during kind of
Speaker 5: lockdown and you know in New Zealand and Juliet's in Australia.
Speaker 5: Juliet went through probably the most restrictions worldwide. Yeah, lockdown
Speaker 5: and stuff, and it was really rough, really really rough,
Speaker 5: but it really spurred on a lot of people to
Speaker 5: kind of look outside of their normal space.
Speaker 2: That they were in.
Speaker 5: And then we kind of realized that there wasn't a
Speaker 5: space for women to kind of come together and talk
Speaker 5: about this sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of.
Speaker 5: Spaces for guys absolutely within this space within this industry,
Speaker 5: but there's not a whole heap of roots for women
Speaker 5: to kind of share that and a safe space, you know,
Speaker 5: for women to come together and that's what's fur encrypted
Speaker 5: women's society. And then come down to the South Pacific,
Speaker 5: there's nothing, you know, like I think you're very very
Speaker 5: very privileged in America and around through the Northern Hemisphere
Speaker 5: to have such I don't know education is the right word,
Speaker 5: but it's basically, you know, you have these these TV
Speaker 5: shows about you know, Expedition Bigfoot and all of these
Speaker 5: things happening in the South Pacific. In Australian villain, we
Speaker 5: can't even get that. We can't even get those shows.
Speaker 5: So it's very close, very closed.
Speaker 4: I really, I do in Australia like the exhibition Bigfoot.
Speaker 4: But it's really funny because I live in Victoria. Victoria's
Speaker 4: is quite a it's a very strict state. It's just
Speaker 4: as but like every other state in Australia will get
Speaker 4: Expedition Bigfoot, I get eight months later, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, And then you don't.
Speaker 2: Even get all the episodes.
Speaker 4: You'll, yeah, if they think, you know, you've got TV
Speaker 4: shows that will come out, but if they go, yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't really like that one, so you know, so
Speaker 4: we're not even going to show you that one. That
Speaker 4: one's not going to be available.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Have you ever heard of pepper Peg?
Speaker 2: You got kids?
Speaker 3: Absolutely? Okay?
Speaker 4: All right, So there was an episode of pitper Peg
Speaker 4: with pepper Peg was playing with a spider. It got
Speaker 4: banned in Australia because we don't want kids to think
Speaker 4: they can play with spiders because everything here is poisonous.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that just goes to show the mentality of our government. Yeah.
Speaker 5: But in New Zealand, I had to watch black market
Speaker 5: big shows.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's my life.
Speaker 3: Somebody watch.
Speaker 2: One hundred serious.
Speaker 3: So one of our friends, I think I'm going to.
Speaker 5: Start me please, I mean, seriously, people don't span me
Speaker 5: with it.
Speaker 2: You people don't understand how bloody lucky you are.
Speaker 5: Because seriously, like Britt is brit from Britt Investigates, right,
Speaker 5: she is on Discovery Channel doing the Lost Monster Files
Speaker 5: and I'm like, dude, there is no way.
Speaker 2: I'm going to ever get to watch this. So I'm
Speaker 2: now trying.
Speaker 5: To talk people into holding their phone up in front
Speaker 5: of the television.
Speaker 2: Watch it, watch it.
Speaker 4: We have tried everything, Amazon, Apple TV everything, it's a
Speaker 4: valeremit to us.
Speaker 2: You're our connection.
Speaker 3: Is there a way like if they get burnt on
Speaker 3: a DVD, would you be able to put it like
Speaker 3: on a four K DVD player over there where you're
Speaker 3: able to eat it so long.
Speaker 5: As it's so long as it's region free, like because
Speaker 5: you know they have regions.
Speaker 2: Has to be because we have we.
Speaker 4: Have videos or DVD players here, so you can change
Speaker 4: the regions on it, but can you do it three times?
Speaker 4: So if you change it to a region for like
Speaker 4: a US, did you change it back?
Speaker 2: We change it back. You can't change it anymore.
Speaker 3: We sound terrible.
Speaker 2: Fourth old country down here. I don't.
Speaker 3: Because one of my one of my wife's favorite movies
Speaker 3: is Australia with Nicole Kidman.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah yeah, yeah yeah, coming.
Speaker 2: Out, which looks pretty awesome to she'll probably you know
Speaker 2: the name of that one. So we'll just do like
Speaker 2: we do a DVD swap.
Speaker 3: Trying to kill you. As far as animals is concerned, like.
Speaker 4: Honestly, every snake that we have here, specially in Victoria,
Speaker 4: every snake is poisonous. We have like the most poisonous
Speaker 4: snakes that we have Brown snakes, red belly, black snakes.
Speaker 2: We have vipers. We have everything here.
Speaker 4: Every spider anything like crawls wants to kill you. Like
Speaker 4: we have fluffy caterpillars. Back in New Zealand, fluffy caterpillars.
Speaker 4: Kids are playing with them. No, no, no, you don't
Speaker 4: touch them here. They're called what are they called. They're
Speaker 4: called lava, lava something. So basically if you touch these things,
Speaker 4: it feels like you've got lava being pulled all.
Speaker 2: Over your hands. It's like every time you see something.
Speaker 5: Which is the total opposite, right, because in New Zealand,
Speaker 5: you can walk into the bush barefoot.
Speaker 2: People go bushwalking with no shoes on.
Speaker 5: Right, We go online the grass, walk on rocks, whatever,
Speaker 5: go climbing whatever, no problem, nothing will kill you. The
Speaker 5: only thing you might get stung by a bumblebee.
Speaker 2: Now everything else, And like.
Speaker 4: You know, we grew up going down to the rivers
Speaker 4: and swimming and you know, and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: And number one, you've got to get to the river
Speaker 4: first or the stream, so you've got to go through
Speaker 4: the brown snakes. Then you've got to get in the water.
Speaker 4: And then you've got like your water spiders and your
Speaker 4: other nasties in there, and then if you go into
Speaker 4: deep water, you've got your bull sharks and your crocodiles.
Speaker 4: So we're okay, we don't have crocodiles here, but all
Speaker 4: in your rivers. You don't swim in the rivers here
Speaker 4: because there's bull sharks everywhere. So it's I don't know why.
Speaker 2: She lives there. I read North and there's just like
Speaker 2: this most amazing beach.
Speaker 4: We're up there watching the ND five hundred and I'm
Speaker 4: not walking along this beach going this is just amazing.
Speaker 4: And then there's two drunk people ran into it. Police
Speaker 4: officers like get them out of the water, and it's
Speaker 4: only dawned on me.
Speaker 2: I'm like, why isn't anybody swimming?
Speaker 4: This is so beautiful and they're like sharks, crocodiles, box jellyfish,
Speaker 4: like so beautiful beaches, but people don't swim in them.
Speaker 4: And that's the big thing, you know, People go, wow,
Speaker 4: look at all these beaches, and it's just like, no.
Speaker 3: No, I literally do you. I literally see you both
Speaker 3: on vacation coming up to the States and just instead
Speaker 3: of going out in any of the town read you
Speaker 3: just stay in the hotel. Them in Stream shows that's
Speaker 3: exactly what we sent yesterday.
Speaker 4: I found night you would just be watching so downloading
Speaker 4: them and taking them bring them back home.
Speaker 5: So our conversation used today We're like, we're going to
Speaker 5: go to the States. We have to block out in
Speaker 5: entire week so we can watch everything.
Speaker 3: You have to you have to there's so much literally
Speaker 3: on on YouTube. Just YouTube alone, you can there's like
Speaker 3: hours long worth of programs anything you have independent people.
Speaker 3: There's one called Small Town Mysteries. And these these four guys,
Speaker 3: all they do is they go out into the bush,
Speaker 3: into the into the woods, and they've had some amazing interactions.
Speaker 3: But I've always noticed, and this is something that working
Speaker 3: for the government and kind of like when my father
Speaker 3: was was in and he had to investigate some of
Speaker 3: these cases that were coming in with the chupa cabra.
Speaker 3: It was one of those things where it was like,
Speaker 3: you know, I I think that these things can only
Speaker 3: these things have to be in some way, shape or form.
Speaker 3: They have to be interdimensional maybe some way, somehow maybe.
Speaker 3: And the only reason I'm saying is because I so
Speaker 3: I'll give it. I'll give you an example. So I was,
Speaker 3: I was, I'm a firearms instructor here in in in
Speaker 3: my town or in the state. And so if people
Speaker 3: want to you know, come out and they want to
Speaker 3: legally carry a firearm for their protection, they come see
Speaker 3: somebody like me, We certify them. They go through a
Speaker 3: long course, and then you know, they end up you know,
Speaker 3: kind of like successfully negotiating the process. Well, one of
Speaker 3: my students was this older African American gentleman who I
Speaker 3: mean he was probably I think he was more like
Speaker 3: into his late sixties or early seventies, and we were
Speaker 3: just talking like serious, like the thing about here about
Speaker 3: older men, especially older church guys like that, they really
Speaker 3: don't have the inclination. I have to lie. They don't.
Speaker 3: They're not going to get anything out of it. You're
Speaker 3: not going to impress. It was only him and I
Speaker 3: in the in the in the classroom, so he wasn't
Speaker 3: really gonna you know, kind of like impress anyone in
Speaker 3: this big you know, you know, forum or what have you.
Speaker 3: And I have a I remember I had an alert
Speaker 3: come up and it was because a new episode of
Speaker 3: Small Town Monsters had come on, and I said, he goes, oh,
Speaker 3: do you have to go? Because it was kind of
Speaker 3: like a ring tone. I said, no, no, no, it's
Speaker 3: an alert for a show I want to watch on.
Speaker 3: I said, don't laugh, it's on Bigfoot. He's like, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: He was like, I won't laugh. He was like, remember
Speaker 3: I told you I was a truck driver, right, And
Speaker 3: I said yeah. So he goes, So this was during
Speaker 3: the late nineties. He goes, I'm driving through Kentucky. He
Speaker 3: goes like, it was one of my routes, and he
Speaker 3: was like, it was middle of the day. He goes,
Speaker 3: He's driven that route a million times. It was a
Speaker 3: very familiar route to him. But he noticed that cars
Speaker 3: were He was coming around this hill, and right as
Speaker 3: he was getting ready to go on the decline of
Speaker 3: the hill, he seemed traffic starting to kind of like
Speaker 3: back up, and he sees a couple of people outside
Speaker 3: of their vehicles looking up in a certain direction, and
Speaker 3: he sees stones and stuff right in almost like going
Speaker 3: onto the road. And he goes up to one of
Speaker 3: the drivers and he says, what's what's going on? It
Speaker 3: was there like a landslide or a rock slide, or
Speaker 3: the genesis of a rock slide. So they're just waiting
Speaker 3: for it to happen because they don't want to get
Speaker 3: caught in it, and he goes no. He was like,
Speaker 3: whatever it is, you're gonna have to see it, because
Speaker 3: if I told you what it is, you're not gonna
Speaker 3: believe me. This is what the driver told him. So
Speaker 3: they're all looking and all of a sudden, they start
Speaker 3: hearing these like this rustling of leaves and trees snapping
Speaker 3: just coming down out of He said it literally from
Speaker 3: I'm actually just like paraphrasing, but it was almost like
Speaker 3: from from the imagination or from a fable to reality.
Speaker 3: This thing just walks right across. He said. It had
Speaker 3: to be at least eight eight and a half feet tall.
Speaker 3: It was huge that all it did was it took
Speaker 3: three steps and it was already across the road. If
Speaker 3: you know anything about double if you have two lanes
Speaker 3: the US, especially when you go into the rural areas,
Speaker 3: they're pretty lengthy, especially when there's only two because there's
Speaker 3: no pass lane, so they're pretty lengthy. And for something
Speaker 3: to have those strides that would be able to and
Speaker 3: I immediately, like, my heart starts beating, and so I'm like,
Speaker 3: I immediately go into interview mode, like I like, because
Speaker 3: that's as close as I'm gonna get to this thing, right, so,
Speaker 3: you know, and and he goes, I said, what did
Speaker 3: it look like? Did you see its face? And he
Speaker 3: said he was like it was the weirdest thing because
Speaker 3: it was the perfect combination of monkey and man. Wow,
Speaker 3: it was like it was the perfect It was like
Speaker 3: the face was just really wide and it was it
Speaker 3: didn't have any face, It didn't have any facial hair.
Speaker 3: It's it's hands didn't have hair, but everything else had fur.
Speaker 3: There were with only a couple of blots of it
Speaker 3: was like dark brown, he said. But he said it
Speaker 3: was huge. It was extremely muscular. You know, he saw
Speaker 3: everything genitalia, I mean everything he saw muscles. He was like,
Speaker 3: it was definitely not a man in the smooth No man,
Speaker 3: no person could successfully negotiate that that hill. The way
Speaker 3: it was running down the hill, how he was you know,
Speaker 3: any other person would have probably have broken their neck
Speaker 3: down that hill. And he goes and it was literally
Speaker 3: thirty seconds from it running down the hill to across
Speaker 3: the street. And then people started panicking and they left,
Speaker 3: and they and he got backtruck and he left also,
Speaker 3: and then that's that. So it's like stories like that
Speaker 3: that I was like, man, I remember hearing about my
Speaker 3: father with the whole thing with Puerto Rico, and should
Speaker 3: I keep talking. I'm sorry, I'm just taking the home.
Speaker 2: Yeah, keep going. I'm loving this.
Speaker 3: So when I was a kid, so, Puerto Rico was
Speaker 3: one of those places where, you know, again, people would
Speaker 3: hear about UFOs and people would say that they've seen
Speaker 3: little grays walking around or what have you, But it
Speaker 3: wasn't really known. You know, it wasn't something that a
Speaker 3: lot of people talked about. A lot of personnel. There
Speaker 3: was a lot of military personnel in Puerto Rico, so
Speaker 3: you know, they would sweep it under rug and chalk
Speaker 3: it up to it's just an Air Force experiment, don't
Speaker 3: worry about it. These are top secret planes that are
Speaker 3: flying overhead. And for the most part, because I was
Speaker 3: in the Air Force for ten years and for the
Speaker 3: most part, yeah, there are Air Force bases like right
Speaker 3: Patterson Air Force Base that have you know, some top
Speaker 3: secret things going on there. And you may see a
Speaker 3: plane that defies what you would think a conventional plane
Speaker 3: would look like. You know, so, like I'll give you
Speaker 3: the example, the stealth bomber and the stealth fighter was
Speaker 3: like a perfect Triangle at plane was already flying in
Speaker 3: the eighties before it was commissioned, and you know broad online,
Speaker 3: you know, in the late nineties and so on. So
Speaker 3: Puerto Rico really really wasn't some really in a place
Speaker 3: that people would talk about like cryptids. You know again UFOs,
Speaker 3: the Bermuda Triangle ship's missing planes crashing then they could
Speaker 3: never find them, but never a cryptid. And I remember
Speaker 3: it was around nineteen ninety five, and the only reason
Speaker 3: I remember it was nineteen ninety five was a couple
Speaker 3: of family events that had taken place in that year.
Speaker 3: They're very memorable. So I remember that I was talking
Speaker 3: to my father. My parents were separated, so you know,
Speaker 3: he would call to check up on us and stuff
Speaker 3: like that. And and one day he you know, he's
Speaker 3: he's looking flustered, he's completely annoyed, and you know, I said,
Speaker 3: what's up, Man's what's the you know, what's going on
Speaker 3: with you? And he goes, oh, he goes, I'm getting complaints.
Speaker 3: I think that there's these kids doing there. They're part
Speaker 3: of be a cult and they're they're hurting animals. I said,
Speaker 3: they're hurting animals. He goes like, yeah, they're they're killing
Speaker 3: animals and stuff, and it's not just you know, it's
Speaker 3: like they're draining the animals of their blood.
Speaker 5: I'm like, all right, that would be that would be
Speaker 5: the first thing that you think of, right, is that
Speaker 5: it's a satanic cult or something like that and they're draining.
Speaker 3: The blood exactly. It was a lot of this was
Speaker 3: the nineties, so a lot of the h a lot
Speaker 3: of the kids were kind of going more into like
Speaker 3: the you know, heavy metal and all this other stuff.
Speaker 3: So there was a there was a continued there was
Speaker 3: like a small group of kids out there on the
Speaker 3: island that were, you know, being foolish and and uh
Speaker 3: and so you know, my father was like, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure this is all going to end up
Speaker 3: being some kind of kid, some kind of kids you know, playing,
Speaker 3: you know, being being mean, or it could be you know,
Speaker 3: some kind of an animal. He goes, So, you know,
Speaker 3: we kind of left it alone, and you know, until
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks had gone by and stuff, and
Speaker 3: I you know, he called back again and we're talking,
Speaker 3: and I brought it up. I said, hey, you know,
Speaker 3: so what's going on with the case of you know,
Speaker 3: with all the and the livestock and everything like that.
Speaker 3: I said, so I'm hearing some things on the news.
Speaker 3: So this is when they started to kind of pick up,
Speaker 3: So like around ninety five ninety six.
Speaker 2: Just for a second, Looise, So how old were you then?
Speaker 3: Ninety five I was born and I'm horrible at maths.
Speaker 2: You like a teenager.
Speaker 3: Now three years old?
Speaker 2: Okay, so you in your early twenties.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so I was like twenty two.
Speaker 5: And so what was your dad's position, Like, what did
Speaker 5: he do as far as was he in the police force?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he was a commandant for our town for
Speaker 3: the for the state police what they would consider each
Speaker 3: town in Puerto Rico has their own law enforcement. But
Speaker 3: then there's there are the kind of like the state police,
Speaker 3: and they're the ones that they absolute the whole. They
Speaker 3: investigate everything major crimes and and organized crime issues like that.
Speaker 3: The state police handle that. Then you have the individual
Speaker 3: towns that have their own individual police departments and stuff.
Speaker 3: So my father was the commandant of the academy for
Speaker 3: the state Police, and he was also police officer.
Speaker 2: Himself, right right right just to see the scene.
Speaker 5: So he's quite high as far as like being in
Speaker 5: the police force.
Speaker 2: Like he's not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's why my friend both became I went
Speaker 3: into law enforcement. My kid brothers in law enforcement, so
Speaker 3: you know, it was like a blood run stick, you know,
Speaker 3: and and uh, and then my sisters went into nursing,
Speaker 3: so they're all into you know, they're all nursing. So
Speaker 3: you're either cops and nurses in my family.
Speaker 5: So that kind of gives them, it gives a bit
Speaker 5: of kind of context to him being frustrated and annoyed
Speaker 5: at the silly, you know, stupid thing happening with these
Speaker 5: stupid kids doing stuff that they shouldn't be doing and
Speaker 5: taking his time and.
Speaker 2: Forcing him to then go out and you know investigate it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: fair cool, right.
Speaker 3: Exactly, because then, you because it was the nineties, was
Speaker 3: possibly the worst possible time for anything like this to
Speaker 3: be happening, because it was when the island saw a
Speaker 3: lot of the island saw a big influx of narcotics
Speaker 3: and drugs and stuff like that. So there was a
Speaker 3: lot of counter narcotics operations. There was a lot of
Speaker 3: crime that was riddling certain areas of the island, especially
Speaker 3: the capital of San Juan. There's this one area that
Speaker 3: was just seeding with just activity of organized crime and stuff. So,
Speaker 3: you know, when you have law enforcement personnel on an
Speaker 3: island who are already heavy laden with work and there's
Speaker 3: not enough staff, you know, there weren't, you know, and
Speaker 3: you're trying to pump as many recruits during academy as
Speaker 3: possible so that you can send them out into the
Speaker 3: streets so that there are you know, it's a frustrating time,
Speaker 3: you know, because it's a logistical nightmare. Then on top
Speaker 3: of that, to have what they believe are you know,
Speaker 3: these animal mutilations being attributed to, you know, something like
Speaker 3: the occult. It made sense to him because all hell
Speaker 3: had been broken breaking loose all over the island anyways.
Speaker 3: So he's figuring, you know, now, we definitely have to
Speaker 3: investigate these because again it's livestock, it's people's revenue, it's money,
Speaker 3: it's effort exactly, so you know, and and then so
Speaker 3: it's something that he definitely had to investigate. So the
Speaker 3: first was in a town of Orokovi's, which is kind
Speaker 3: of like in a central part, and that was that
Speaker 3: was when they first found one of the animals with
Speaker 3: three puncture wounds on their neck. So that's that was
Speaker 3: the one where they were like where they started to
Speaker 3: kind of figure trying to think this isn't normal, because
Speaker 3: the animals were not only drained of their blood, but
Speaker 3: the problem was the animal wasn't stiff, It wasn't like
Speaker 3: rigamotives hadn't set in, so and it was and it
Speaker 3: had been you know, hours since the blood had been
Speaker 3: drained from animals. There was no blood anywhere near them,
Speaker 3: you know, something where you have six, seven, eight animals
Speaker 3: all strewn around the property with puncture wounds, yet you know,
Speaker 3: void of any kind of blood. Yeah, any kind of blood.
Speaker 3: And then not only that, for there to be no
Speaker 3: type of blood around them, there weren't any aggressive predation.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean we understand that Juliet and I have
Speaker 5: both grown up on like kind of in farming environments.
Speaker 2: Juliet grew up on a farm and you.
Speaker 5: Know so and we've both had goats as pets and
Speaker 5: further than everything else, you know, and so yeah, that
Speaker 5: it made yeah, Steve delicious, but it doesn't you know,
Speaker 5: we understand that, and it doesn't make sense there to.
Speaker 2: Be no blood.
Speaker 4: No, Yeah, it's mental, it's really I don't know that
Speaker 4: that's super I never knew that that's really interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was one of the big that was one
Speaker 3: of the biggest things. Well, that was the main the
Speaker 3: main thing that he was. That's that's when it was like,
Speaker 3: all right, now, my stress level is really up here
Speaker 3: because there were no signs of predation. So let's say
Speaker 3: if it was there, there really aren't that many. Uh,
Speaker 3: you know, animals like we don't have bobcat, we don't
Speaker 3: have any kind of mountain cat or anything like that.
Speaker 3: We probably have some kind of you know, a rabbit
Speaker 3: dog or you know, or they have iguanas.
Speaker 4: You know, now they have nothing like coyotes or wolves
Speaker 4: or anything.
Speaker 3: Exactly, just ia and iguana would probably just get slapped
Speaker 3: by the goat or something like that. In real gangster
Speaker 3: chickens and roosters chasing iguanas stuff like that.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: So you know, it's those things where you know, they
Speaker 3: have aggressive roosters out there because they do they come
Speaker 3: cock fighting, so they do a lot of that over
Speaker 3: there as part of the culture.
Speaker 2: So you know, they have right.
Speaker 3: Right, and and when when it started to get really
Speaker 3: notarized is when prize these cock fighters, these prize roosters
Speaker 3: and stuff that would fight back like that you know,
Speaker 3: sometimes even the owners would have a hard time going
Speaker 3: into the pentagrab them so they could put the things
Speaker 3: on their talents so they can go and fight or
Speaker 3: what have you. And these these roosters, these birds were
Speaker 3: like really aggressive and for there to be no no sound.
Speaker 3: There was no sound ever at night where you would
Speaker 3: think like if if there are multiple animals on your
Speaker 3: property being killed, slaughtered.
Speaker 2: Screaming.
Speaker 3: It's yeah, but for but for you know, for farmers
Speaker 3: who have a keen sense of hearing, because they have
Speaker 3: to keep you know, that's one of the big things.
Speaker 3: You know, you have the tip pay attention, you know,
Speaker 3: audibly what's going on around you, especially if you own animals.
Speaker 3: There are predators and stuff thieves. So you know, for
Speaker 3: these farmers to wake up in the morning and then
Speaker 3: see entire fields full of their livestock, void of all blood,
Speaker 3: void of you know, having the puncture rooms but no
Speaker 3: blood anywhere. Riga mortis again never had set in.
Speaker 2: You know, this is not anything that's insane. Yeah, Like
Speaker 2: I was on.
Speaker 4: A ball farm, so we had balls like on a station,
Speaker 4: and we had the neighbor's dog come and chase our balls.
Speaker 2: And they were like three four paddocks the.
Speaker 4: Way, and because we never used dogs around the balls
Speaker 4: because you try and keep them as calm as possible.
Speaker 4: So we knew we were inside. We heard one ballow
Speaker 4: and we knew something was up man where everyone just
Speaker 4: like came from every direction because we knew instantly that
Speaker 4: something was wrong and it was its bloody dogs chasing them.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so we know, you.
Speaker 4: Know that these are like three four paddocks away, and
Speaker 4: we knew, we knew straight away something was wrong.
Speaker 2: And when when you're with all your animals.
Speaker 4: You know, the sound, you know, distressful, you know, you know,
Speaker 4: if there's anything they're running around or yeah, you're like
Speaker 4: you're saying, you are so alert to what is going
Speaker 4: on around you. So it would have been devastating, you know,
Speaker 4: it would have been absolutely devastating for them because yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean, we know, you know, if we lost a
Speaker 4: ball or something, you know, there goes fifteen hundred dollars, right,
Speaker 4: So that was you know, it'd be a big, a
Speaker 4: big thing.
Speaker 3: For them, right And one of the one of the
Speaker 3: when it started to get really it was around November,
Speaker 3: I remember, right around Thanksgiving, and I remember that having
Speaker 3: a conversation with him and he had said it was
Speaker 3: like that there had been in the town of Canovanas,
Speaker 3: which is heavily you know, back then everything is farmland,
Speaker 3: but back then that times in particular was you know,
Speaker 3: very heavy in farming. And there had been thirty five
Speaker 3: instances since I had last talked to him, like back
Speaker 3: in August to November. They were thirty five instances. And
Speaker 3: then what started to change was people saw it for
Speaker 3: the first time around November. So what the story was
Speaker 3: this couple had just and again it's people. I'm not
Speaker 3: saying that people that you know, follow any kind of
Speaker 3: theology or any kind of belief system, they're not capable
Speaker 3: of lying. But you have to talk when you when
Speaker 3: you look at someone and you're trying to you know,
Speaker 3: ascertain whether they're lying to you or not, there has
Speaker 3: to be some kind of a gain, right, There has
Speaker 3: to be some kind of notoriety, financial gain or something.
Speaker 2: Right, it's going to be behind it.
Speaker 3: Right, because especially if you're going to talk about something
Speaker 3: as crazy as what you're about to say, especially if
Speaker 3: you're someone who's you know, high end in the clergy.
Speaker 3: So there were the it was a pastor and his
Speaker 3: wife on their way back from a service late night,
Speaker 3: and they said they were driving up into the right
Speaker 3: up into their driveway of their home. And the houses
Speaker 3: in Puerto Rico are are awesome because most of them
Speaker 3: are like if they're not in the towns or like
Speaker 3: in the city and you're going more into like the farmland.
Speaker 3: You know, your driveway can be a long, winding little
Speaker 3: driveway and stuff and everything around you that you don't
Speaker 3: use is usually just brush and shrubbery and woods and stuff.
Speaker 3: And this pastor was driving up into his driveway and
Speaker 3: as soon as he took a curve right around it,
Speaker 3: going into his actual driveway, he says there was he
Speaker 3: records and he says there was this three to four
Speaker 3: foot type being and that's when the famous drawing came
Speaker 3: out where it was like this thing that stood on
Speaker 3: two legs appeared reptilian in some way where it didn't
Speaker 3: have any type of there wasn't for there wasn't anything
Speaker 3: mammalian to it, if that makes sense. It was more
Speaker 3: of a reptilian type looking creature, big huge eyes. And
Speaker 3: what they said were like these spines that ran down
Speaker 3: their back, right down its back, and that it looked
Speaker 3: at them. And they did say that there was that
Speaker 3: it must have had eyelids, because when it came, when
Speaker 3: the car came around the corner and the thing looked
Speaker 3: at him, it blinked because the lights were so bright
Speaker 3: on the on the car, the car lights were so
Speaker 3: were so bright that it blinked. So they were like,
Speaker 3: all right, so it you know. My father was like,
Speaker 3: all right, so the thing has, you know, I eyelids
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. And he when my father was
Speaker 3: telling me the story, it was like one of those
Speaker 3: things where the poor man was like smoking a cigarette
Speaker 3: and trying to down the thing a whiskey because he's like,
Speaker 3: I don't know what to make of this anymore. I
Speaker 3: don't know what to think of it anymore because it's
Speaker 3: not it's not making sense. He goes, I know, these
Speaker 3: people they're not going to lie. They're not They don't
Speaker 3: have anything to gain from this. Quite frankly, the wife
Speaker 3: didn't want to say anything, but the husband was like,
Speaker 3: I don't know what it is. We you know, this
Speaker 3: is something. You know, these people have lived there their
Speaker 3: whole lives, and when they see something that, you know,
Speaker 3: they they can they can't easily identify, you know, they
Speaker 3: start to get you know, worried because there were monkeys
Speaker 3: in the island. This was another thing. People were bringing
Speaker 3: monkeys into the island. Now we have a population of
Speaker 3: of I forgot, I don't know, like marmoset monkeys or
Speaker 3: some kind of macaques or some kind of monkey in
Speaker 3: Puerto Rico now. But it's because people started bringing strange animals.
Speaker 3: So now we have cam in Puerto Rico, which is
Speaker 3: something we never had. Came in crocodiles and brought them in,
Speaker 3: and now there's this huge population of caman crocodiles. Some
Speaker 3: people were saying, all right, well, maybe it was some
Speaker 3: you know, somebody with money went in. They got a monkey.
Speaker 3: The monkey has some kind of you know, deformed to it,
Speaker 3: change or some kind of deformity to it, because it's
Speaker 3: you know, malnourished or anything could happen to whatever. This
Speaker 3: is an island that's a monkey. They don't go hand
Speaker 3: in hand or what have you. And and it was
Speaker 3: like until a couple of weeks had gone by, and
Speaker 3: then someone else saw it again and they described the
Speaker 3: being the same exact way. So now the island is
Speaker 3: now the island is going crazy because not only that,
Speaker 3: more and more throughout the island completely. It wasn't just one.
Speaker 3: There had to be more because all over the island
Speaker 3: they were reporting animals with blood, you know, completely drained
Speaker 3: out of them and the same exact pattern.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it was like a you know, like a
Speaker 4: mammal or some type of animal. It probably wouldn't have
Speaker 4: been able to How long would it take to get
Speaker 4: from one side of the island to another if you're
Speaker 4: kind of walking.
Speaker 3: Or yeah, the island super small. I mean I can
Speaker 3: go from one end to the island to the other
Speaker 3: in an hour and a half.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Driving, Yeah, you drive it. You can drive the island,
Speaker 3: you know, east to west to south and and you'll
Speaker 3: you'll be you're you're fine. You do yourself a disservice
Speaker 3: because you're supposed to be, you know, going off to beat.
Speaker 2: We heard a contact we're talking about visiting today.
Speaker 3: So the Bacardi distillery, that's right, priorities, priorities. Right before
Speaker 3: you go looking for cryptids, you got to stop by
Speaker 3: the Bricardi distillery there after.
Speaker 2: Good plug there, but well done drug half of all
Speaker 2: Bacardi fun.
Speaker 5: So like obviously your your father's like you know down
Speaker 5: in whiskey kind of getting these stories coming in and
Speaker 5: getting an influx and a flood of you know, probably
Speaker 5: really freaked out people and starting to kind of roll,
Speaker 5: you know, like as it does, all of these kind
Speaker 5: of encounters start coming in inside things and stories, and
Speaker 5: people start getting really fearful and kind.
Speaker 2: Of losing it a little bit. So how did how
Speaker 2: did your dad deal with that? How was he?
Speaker 5: Was he quite a straight laced sort of guy or
Speaker 5: did he kind of did you know, skip around it,
Speaker 5: or was he kind of more like I can I
Speaker 5: know I have a connection understanding with the supernet from
Speaker 5: maybe that this is something.
Speaker 3: Around that my father. My father left because this so
Speaker 3: this originally started sometime around ninety five, like I would say,
Speaker 3: sometime around March, and he stopped pretty much dealing with
Speaker 3: it in December. And here's where it starts to get
Speaker 3: a little bit more of the so, like we were
Speaker 3: talking about, I was on YouTube watching all these awesome
Speaker 3: bigfoot videos and awesome bigfoot shows, and I would notice
Speaker 3: that the and this is where I believe, you know,
Speaker 3: Uncle Sam kind of starts to I want to say,
Speaker 3: censor and intervene and unplug when you get too close
Speaker 3: to the truth. You know, sometimes you get phone calls,
Speaker 3: and I noticed a bunch of TV shows. So right,
Speaker 3: I'll give you an example. I used to watch this
Speaker 3: guy called the Turtleman in the United States. The Turtleman,
Speaker 3: Now he would he was the type of guy. He
Speaker 3: was like this what they would call like a redneck
Speaker 3: hillbilly that would go into these things and go get
Speaker 3: snapping turtles and then he would release them into like
Speaker 3: this snapping turtle sanctuary or whatever. And he was just
Speaker 3: a really colorful fellow. He was awesome, funny, great. I
Speaker 3: used to watch him on YouTube all the time. All
Speaker 3: of a sudden, he, I don't know what, you propelled
Speaker 3: him to go the other way and he started doing
Speaker 3: bigfoot hunting. The thing was in Georgia, in Georgia and
Speaker 3: the state of Georgia. The thing was that on a
Speaker 3: couple of his a couple of his videos, he ended
Speaker 3: up getting rocks thrown at him. There were sounds, there
Speaker 3: were a couple of things that he forgot to edit out.
Speaker 3: And I'll see if I can send them to you
Speaker 3: so you can see what I'm talking about. Where No
Speaker 3: sooner do these last three episodes of him hunting for
Speaker 3: bigfoot where I mean not only footprints, but the bigfoot
Speaker 3: was leaving things behind for him and stuff, and there
Speaker 3: was like this interaction all of a sudden, from one
Speaker 3: day to the next, Turtleman drops the show. You don't
Speaker 3: hear anything else about Turtleman. You don't even hear anything
Speaker 3: else about the show. Okay. So that's just one out
Speaker 3: of a couple of that I've seen that once you
Speaker 3: start to get too close to the truths, they don't
Speaker 3: care about Oh, you found a footprint, cool because they
Speaker 3: could talk it up to some kid being silly in
Speaker 3: the woods or whatever, even though who the heck would
Speaker 3: wear Who the heck would have a size seventeen foot
Speaker 3: you know, in the middle of the mud whatever, or
Speaker 3: like in Puerto Rico, the Chupacabra, where they would find,
Speaker 3: you know, these these footprints of three It was almost
Speaker 3: like a reptilian again, reptilian footprints and stuff, and they
Speaker 3: would have these footprints and stuff. Okay, So what kind
Speaker 3: of a reptile walks on two legs and has enough
Speaker 3: heft in its body to leave a footprint behind. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So when you start asking these questions, because the anecdotal
Speaker 3: evidence starts to point that they're being a real something real,
Speaker 3: There a real interaction there. You don't know who's gonna
Speaker 3: call you. So I remember that when, you know, when
Speaker 3: a couple of the police officers started to ask certain
Speaker 3: questions and we're you know, we're getting close to what
Speaker 3: they felt was the truth. An American agency showed up,
Speaker 3: even though Puerto Rico is part of the United States
Speaker 3: and both of the United States, you know, Uncle Sam
Speaker 3: showed up and uh told the locals and everyone else
Speaker 3: you have, we're going to take over. We don't think
Speaker 3: it's anything, but we're going to take over the investigation.
Speaker 3: And well, yeah, exactly exactly. And you know, not do
Speaker 3: I believe in the men in black? Do I believe
Speaker 3: in you know, government agencies know exactly what we're dealing
Speaker 3: with here. Yeah, yeaheah, I I one hundred percent to
Speaker 3: you know. That doesn't take away anything from my my
Speaker 3: my my, my clearances or anything like that, but this
Speaker 3: is it's the truth. You know, when you get too
Speaker 3: close to finding out the truth, things start to happen,
Speaker 3: things disappear, things are swept under the world here for us, like.
Speaker 4: We've we've we've mentioned the wrong people and the wrong places.
Speaker 4: Can all of a sudden that podcasts are gone, like our
Speaker 4: interviews are gone. It's just like nothing, and you know,
Speaker 4: Lisa and I will well we'll talk about you know,
Speaker 4: like you you go down a little bit of a
Speaker 4: rab about how you start to go about conspiracies and
Speaker 4: you know how this could work or this could work.
Speaker 4: And then you know, we've had our phone calls like
Speaker 4: it's been so funny.
Speaker 2: It's like clicked, like we're just like hello, it's really
Speaker 2: funny house.
Speaker 4: You know, all phone calls have literally dropped gone, and
Speaker 4: it's just like okay, I can't call Anyboddy.
Speaker 2: So you know, so we always joke about it, but
Speaker 2: you know there is that like a.
Speaker 4: Little bit of seriousness sometime because we know when we've
Speaker 4: kind of gone down a little bit of a rabbit hole,
Speaker 4: we really start discussing stuff that kind of happens, you know.
Speaker 4: But yeah, we've definitely lost you know, like interviews and
Speaker 4: when we've done podcasts and we've mentioned stuff and then
Speaker 4: they've just gone and they're just like n spend banned
Speaker 4: and be like okay, you know, find since to ourselves. Now,
Speaker 4: we're very very careful about what we put on Instagram
Speaker 4: and YouTube.
Speaker 2: And you know, and stuff like that one hundred percent.
Speaker 5: But even those conversations that we have over cell phone,
Speaker 5: we know that at the moment that we start talking
Speaker 5: about something that's sensitive and be it any sort of
Speaker 5: cryptid conversations anything to do with Papua New Guinea, I
Speaker 5: can say that because we're on Zoom and we're not
Speaker 5: live anywhere, anything to do with P and G Australia, America.
Speaker 5: You can't do those things in the same box.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: As soon as we start talking about anything like that,
Speaker 5: our phones are ACKed up pretty damn quickly. And with ever,
Speaker 5: like if we I get off my phone, like stop it,
Speaker 5: try to have a business conversation. So now we just
Speaker 5: talk quickly to them and we're like, we know you're listening.
Speaker 3: It's literally go ahead and have a conversation next to
Speaker 3: somebody while you're on Facebook or even whatever. Well, you know,
Speaker 3: my wife and I were talking about, oh you have
Speaker 3: to I want to buy a pull out couch andver,
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, all these advertisements for as.
Speaker 2: In that Dane.
Speaker 4: Even if you turn off all that kind of stuff going, no,
Speaker 4: you can't listen to me bye bye.
Speaker 2: Every single time it's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, at whoever, whatever agency is attached to monitoring me, whatever,
Speaker 3: get you know, strap in and get ready for the ride.
Speaker 2: Lewis sorry, yeah do you think so? Sorry, you're freezing
Speaker 2: out back able connection. So Jewels go ahead and ask
Speaker 2: that question.
Speaker 4: So my thing is like, from the fact that there's
Speaker 4: been so many UFO kind of sightings and stuff like
Speaker 4: that through the years, do you, like, from your point
Speaker 4: of view, do you think it's like a physical thing,
Speaker 4: like a possibly you know, like something that's come down
Speaker 4: like an alien type creature or you were saying about
Speaker 4: the interdimensional stuff, and you know, like over here they
Speaker 4: believe that yaoi's are interdimensional. People have literally seen yaowie's
Speaker 4: basically go from a solid form into basically dislike nothingness
Speaker 4: and then slipping between rocks. It's a very kind of
Speaker 4: it's a big thing here, you know. So they're saying
Speaker 4: as this kind of interdimensional that's where they disappear into.
Speaker 4: What's kind of like, what's your views, what's your feeling
Speaker 4: on what do.
Speaker 2: You think that they are?
Speaker 3: I'm I'm I want to say that I do follow
Speaker 3: a certain faith and I believe in the interdimensional possibility
Speaker 3: where I believe that some of these interactions with these
Speaker 3: creatures could be a creature that's from another dimension, something
Speaker 3: like a tupa cabra, something like some sometimes you know
Speaker 3: they talk about like the shape shifters out in the
Speaker 3: Skinwalker Ranch, whether it be you know, things like that.
Speaker 3: I believe those could be you know, interdimensional spiritual maybe
Speaker 3: something like a bigfoot or something like that. I think
Speaker 3: those are maybe like an actual species. I think it's
Speaker 3: a species. It is some type of Neanderthal that just
Speaker 3: the government. That's why we have these federal you know,
Speaker 3: federal properties, federal parks. Uh these uh, state parks that
Speaker 3: you can't really go into. You know, you can go
Speaker 3: but for so far, and then after that you don't
Speaker 3: go past that. There's this book there written by this
Speaker 3: awesome guy named David Politis who was a police officer
Speaker 3: who you know, wrote about these encounters in these state
Speaker 3: parks and why so many people go missing in the
Speaker 3: state parks. You'll have somebody like let's say you, Juliette
Speaker 3: and myself, we go on a hike up you know,
Speaker 3: a certain way, and then all of a sudden we
Speaker 3: look back and or you both look back and I'm gone,
Speaker 3: you know, And nobody heard me get taken. Nobody. You
Speaker 3: just look back and I'm completely gone, and these are
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I'm so I have to be
Speaker 3: able to experience something like that in order to make
Speaker 3: whatever theories I have bouncing in my head, you know,
Speaker 3: solidify one of them. Are they an interdimensional being? Or
Speaker 3: is this part of an evolutionary process to some species
Speaker 3: that we haven't seen yet because they're skited, they're super skittish,
Speaker 3: or and they just know maybe interactions with humans before
Speaker 3: that haven't said anything. We're negative and all this other stuff.
Speaker 3: Who knows, I don't know, but I do know that
Speaker 3: it was around it was around December more or less,
Speaker 3: where we have a public newspaper on the island called
Speaker 3: the Vosseo or the it's called the Announcement basically in English,
Speaker 3: that's the translation of the Baletto, and the Buzzetto was infamous.
Speaker 3: It literally had to tone down because it was a
Speaker 3: kind of publication where you'd go into like a supermarket
Speaker 3: and the publication was right there. Front page was some
Speaker 3: kind of murder and it was and it was and
Speaker 3: it was graphic. It was like they didn't edit the
Speaker 3: picture and what was ironic. You know, it would be
Speaker 3: like it would be the publication would be like in
Speaker 3: the lower shelves and stuff like that. So if you're
Speaker 3: a kid, you're walking by an eye level with somebody
Speaker 3: looking at, you know, the person that's been murdered in
Speaker 3: a horrific way, and stuff like that. So they toned
Speaker 3: it down where they started kind of putting those stories
Speaker 3: into the thing. But interestingly enough went right around I
Speaker 3: think it was I want to say it was around
Speaker 3: December when they kind of started to it started to
Speaker 3: get huge. I mean, people in the United States were
Speaker 3: talking about the Chupacabra. They were T shirts made. I
Speaker 3: think I still have mine. Definitely won't it definitely won't fit.
Speaker 3: But it's one of it. It's it's a They had
Speaker 3: T shirt and stuff, and you know with the alien
Speaker 3: with the claws and all this other stuff, and you know,
Speaker 3: people vendors were making, you know, hundreds of dollars selling
Speaker 3: all the stuff. And because now you know, musicians were
Speaker 3: making songs about them. You know, people were you know,
Speaker 3: you know, the parodies and stuff like that, and and
Speaker 3: and and it was interesting when the Rossetto had gone
Speaker 3: in and done it did a story about it, and
Speaker 3: it did discuss the possibility of this being some type
Speaker 3: of alien, some type of alien that it's close to
Speaker 3: the Bermuda triangle. This is an alien that needed some
Speaker 3: type of biological sustenance and it chose for whatever reason,
Speaker 3: animal blood and because any other sign because again they
Speaker 3: were saying, any other signs of animal predation, if it
Speaker 3: was a rabbit and whatever, they would be that riga
Speaker 3: mortis that would set in to the animal and for
Speaker 3: the animal to still be warm to the touch and
Speaker 3: still be that pliable. And you know, so once that
Speaker 3: came out, all of a sudden, these phone calls started
Speaker 3: coming into the office where you know, my father would
Speaker 3: get like, you know, phone calls from higher ups and saying,
Speaker 3: all right, let's just end this. It's getting too out
Speaker 3: of control. It's something that we need to, you know,
Speaker 3: kind of start putting a little shade on it, and
Speaker 3: it has to go away. So regardless, if you get
Speaker 3: any more phone calls, regardless, if you get any more issues,
Speaker 3: any more animals that come up, whatever, then that's just it.
Speaker 3: The people can go ahead and submit a claim to
Speaker 3: the Commonwealth and if we consider it valid and it's
Speaker 3: part of this whole phenomenon animal dead, warm, still, whatever,
Speaker 3: We'll link it to this, to the phenomenon whatever, and
Speaker 3: then there'll be some kind of financial restitution for the
Speaker 3: family for the animals that they've lost. But that was it.
Speaker 3: That was basically the nice way of saying, stop, were.
Speaker 4: There any autopsies done on, you know, obviously on any
Speaker 4: of these animals as to try and figure out why
Speaker 4: the rigul mortars wouldn't.
Speaker 3: Sit in or Yeah, So that was one thing that
Speaker 3: I never we never really talked about. He never really
Speaker 3: brought up. They were definitely autopsies. I mean, you would
Speaker 3: see the videos of the old videos of the you know,
Speaker 3: the pickup trucks the police department have with all the
Speaker 3: livestock in the back and stuff like that. So they're
Speaker 3: gonna definitely take it out to a veterinarian, so the
Speaker 3: veterinarian can assess, you know, the cause. But it was
Speaker 3: definitely not something that the coroner or the you know,
Speaker 3: the autopsy would yield anything because if there's another pham,
Speaker 3: So the way that they do it is if you know,
Speaker 3: you you have those types of processes, you know, coroner
Speaker 3: or veterinarian or anything like that where it's it has
Speaker 3: to deal with a crime. They have specific people that
Speaker 3: they go to. It's not difficult to have a three
Speaker 3: letter agency call these individuals, find out where these things
Speaker 3: are and saying, you know, whenever whatever gets released, send
Speaker 3: it to us here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and no one else.
Speaker 3: You make no comments of anything out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, they ever been known to attack people.
Speaker 3: No, So there was one case and let me see,
Speaker 3: I think you.
Speaker 5: Christian Juliet, can I just throw that at you, great
Speaker 5: Christian local vampire.
Speaker 2: There was this one time.
Speaker 3: November actually and if I yeah, it was around November.
Speaker 3: So there was a man working on in his yard.
Speaker 3: He says that there was a He hears brush and
Speaker 3: stuff moving in the back and the end he feels
Speaker 3: a sharp pain. When he turns around, he sees what
Speaker 3: he describes as some kind of a hairless monkey on him,
Speaker 3: trying to bite at him. Uh, there were scratches. There
Speaker 3: were like you know, deep gouging scratches on him, which
Speaker 3: were only like three, like three scratches.
Speaker 2: The footprints, doesn't it right?
Speaker 3: And the gentleman for you know, again, these are these
Speaker 3: are farmers, they're not you know, biologists there for him
Speaker 3: it was a hairless monkey. Yeah, because how else is
Speaker 3: he gonna pay a reptilion thing that on two legs whatever.
Speaker 3: So for him, it was a hairless monkey, and it
Speaker 3: bit me. Once it saw that I outmatched him, it
Speaker 3: got off of him, it ran and stuff. Never again
Speaker 3: was that man spoken to by the media, which was
Speaker 3: interesting because he was the only one that had been
Speaker 3: documented to have been attacked by the tupacabra. And interesting enough,
Speaker 3: it stops in it stops. And this is where one
Speaker 3: of my other theories I think, and it's not been substantiated,
Speaker 3: but no, sooner does the whole thing with the livestock
Speaker 3: and editing stops. It literally almost like stopped one day
Speaker 3: to the next. There were the farmers stopped experiencing loss.
Speaker 3: There weren't any phone calls anymore of this little cryptid
Speaker 3: running around in the you know, in the in the
Speaker 3: in the farm you know, in the rural areas and stuff.
Speaker 3: And then it switches over to the United States. But
Speaker 3: then the tupacaba in the United States is a completely
Speaker 3: totally different an.
Speaker 5: So that was my that was gonna be my question.
Speaker 5: I was like, where's the comparison is?
Speaker 1: It?
Speaker 2: Just we don't know what it is.
Speaker 5: So we're going to call it this or was that
Speaker 5: a systemated change so that the Puerto Rican stuff that
Speaker 5: was going on is now seen as it was a dog,
Speaker 5: because that's what I always thought it was until you've
Speaker 5: just brought up the fact that it was a three
Speaker 5: foot kind of alien species, and I'm.
Speaker 3: Like, it was right. And if you look at the pictures,
Speaker 3: if you look up the troop of Cable and Puerto Rico,
Speaker 3: the drawings of what it is compared to what people
Speaker 3: are seeing out in Texas and in Mexico in the
Speaker 3: south of the border, it's a completely different and it's
Speaker 3: more of a canine. It's more of a hair dog,
Speaker 3: and it's actually yeah, yeah, and.
Speaker 4: You can tell that some of them are like either
Speaker 4: a coyote or wolf or something with mate.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you can tell that.
Speaker 4: And anybody from you know, like we're saying, anybody who's
Speaker 4: come from like a background and farming and you have
Speaker 4: been around that kind of stuff, it's they'll kind of
Speaker 4: look at and.
Speaker 2: Go, yeah, I know what that is.
Speaker 4: But then there is that whole other other side that
Speaker 4: is like these crazy attacks have now.
Speaker 2: Started there and literally so.
Speaker 5: What about the Hobville Goblin, Right there was a story
Speaker 5: about these girls that that found this Hobsonville goblin, that
Speaker 5: was this little creature that was running around terrorizing, like.
Speaker 2: You know, these three girls, these sisters or whatever down
Speaker 2: the street. And it was.
Speaker 5: Bipedal, and it was little, and it looked like almost
Speaker 5: what I would think the original Tupicabra looked like it
Speaker 5: had these you know, little three feet things, and it
Speaker 5: had like spiky ears and that sort of stuff. So
Speaker 5: is there a comparison between those two now?
Speaker 3: Look at look at the situation in in because again,
Speaker 3: the media, when and when it's something so absolutely massive
Speaker 3: and and and supernatural, they throw this huge story. They
Speaker 3: spin the story around, They add humor to it to
Speaker 3: try to pacify it. They'll have late night talk show
Speaker 3: hosts bring it up and kind of poke fun at it,
Speaker 3: so that, you know, because we're we're the type they're
Speaker 3: hoping right there will be like, oh, stupid me, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm silly. It's just some kind of a animal with mange,
Speaker 3: and this is it, you know, the blood. Maybe something
Speaker 3: has to do with the fact that because one of
Speaker 3: the theories was the reason the animals weren't rigamortis or whatever,
Speaker 3: is because they were in a tropical setting and there
Speaker 3: was you know, you know anything, and I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, that has just dried up. Yeah, it makes sense.
Speaker 4: And they did get mortars because it was nice and warm,
Speaker 4: and they would just say, oh, humid.
Speaker 3: Before it drained. Its body had a margarita was laying
Speaker 3: out in the nice feather, so you know, and you
Speaker 3: start looking at these things and and like, give you
Speaker 3: an example. You all heard what happened in Miami. Uh,
Speaker 3: the whole thing with the big, these big, gigantic seven
Speaker 3: foot humanoids that appeared in Miami. Now I can't that
Speaker 3: is too close. I'll talk about that one a little
Speaker 3: bit if you don't mind just a resecond. That was
Speaker 3: really close. Because my agency is out of Florida, my
Speaker 3: base is out of Florida. And I'll say this that
Speaker 3: the story was that there were some kids pop taking shots.
Speaker 3: They had heard either fireworks and then some people said
Speaker 3: there was a fight, then they heard fireworks, potential shots
Speaker 3: called I've been in law enforcement for a long time.
Speaker 3: You never throw that many guns at a situation where
Speaker 3: there's kids potentially. There were police departments nine one one
Speaker 3: had been shut down. I mean, it was huge, and
Speaker 3: the amount of people that were coming forward and saying
Speaker 3: this is what we saw. There was no such there.
Speaker 3: The media is lying these two big entities whatever all
Speaker 3: of a sudden, do you hear anything about that anymore?
Speaker 4: I'm pretty gone, gone, gone gone.
Speaker 2: That was the first thing, right.
Speaker 5: Juliet and I were like, we saw that come up
Speaker 5: on TikTok or Instagram or whatever, and we were both.
Speaker 2: Like, why so many cops? Yeah, why like three hundred.
Speaker 5: Police units or something ridiculous like that, even to a shooting.
Speaker 2: To a mall shooting, You're not gonna get that many cops.
Speaker 2: Number one, it's a traffic nightmare.
Speaker 5: Number two, most of those cop cars can't even get
Speaker 5: to the bloody mall.
Speaker 2: And number three, like that is stupid.
Speaker 5: You need police on the ground outside of the mall
Speaker 5: to maintain public safety and everything else. We were like,
Speaker 5: there is something real strange going on with that one
Speaker 5: that is not right.
Speaker 3: And all I'll say is, can you imagine the amount
Speaker 3: of phones that needed to be replaced? Yeah, because once
Speaker 3: you get I'll just once you get past a certain
Speaker 3: level of questioning or in interrogation, you may or may
Speaker 3: not see your electronics again. You may get a little
Speaker 3: voucher to replace the property or what have you. But
Speaker 3: other than that, yeah, so what if it saw if
Speaker 3: there were because in this day and age, everybody has
Speaker 3: one of these on the phone, right, so if there
Speaker 3: was like HD quality video of what happened, you're never
Speaker 3: gonna see it. You're never gonna see it. But what
Speaker 3: you did see was when they released this one police officer,
Speaker 3: you can look in his face because they made it.
Speaker 3: They made it a cartoon kind of like. So the
Speaker 3: police officers released a statement, Miami Day Police released a statement.
Speaker 3: This police officer read the statement and then he goes,
Speaker 3: trust me, he said something on there are no aliens
Speaker 3: or whatever. Then this little gift of an alien comes
Speaker 3: by and he like acts like he's looking at it,
Speaker 3: and it just disappears. So they turned it into this joke.
Speaker 3: Right when you look at this man reading this statement,
Speaker 3: you can literally see the struggling, the look in his
Speaker 3: face of here in number one, I'm lying, I'm bullshitting
Speaker 3: you on that. This is one hundred percent bullshit the
Speaker 3: line I'm giving you. And number two, there was no
Speaker 3: spit in his mouth. There was almost it was you,
Speaker 3: I'll send it to you. It was so amazing to
Speaker 3: see the way that they try to cover that up.
Speaker 3: And it's the same way with any cryptid. The same
Speaker 3: thing with the chupacabra. You get too close or when
Speaker 3: there are too many questions, too many good pertnant questions,
Speaker 3: like you said, the tupacaba and Puerto Rico looks completely
Speaker 3: different than the one that they've seen in Mexico and
Speaker 3: then the one they've seen in Texas and stuff. Right,
Speaker 3: that one is like a dog. It's a canine, a
Speaker 3: hairless canine or what have you. Still doesn't explain. The
Speaker 3: puncture wounds, still doesn't explain.
Speaker 5: And three puncture wounds that always really got me. If
Speaker 5: it was a canine, they have two canines. We know
Speaker 5: this because it has it. If it was a cat,
Speaker 5: it has two canines. Again, so having three puncture marks,
Speaker 5: where does that? Where does the food come from?
Speaker 3: An exact diameter hole, same exact diameter hole, same exact pattern,
Speaker 3: three puncture wounds. What if it's an animal like something
Speaker 3: like that, like the chupacabda, like let's say, in in
Speaker 3: in Texas or in Mexico, it would obviously be like
Speaker 3: a canine, so you would have, you know, puncture wounds
Speaker 3: in the bottom for the bottom teeth is right, because.
Speaker 2: They go they tear out.
Speaker 4: You know, that's very really that a dog will it go,
Speaker 4: They will tear, they will shake and there are tear marks.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Right, So there's no, it's not that animal. You look
Speaker 3: at that animal and you can tell it's a sloppy eater.
Speaker 3: It's not going to take its time and fit down
Speaker 3: eyes the chicken and be like look into my eyes,
Speaker 3: you know, like like Dracula and try to entice you know.
Speaker 3: The chicken falls, you know, to its island and all
Speaker 3: of a sudden it wakes up or doesn't wake up,
Speaker 3: and it's you know in Grandma student, you know, so
Speaker 3: it's it's it's not. It wasn't a thing that the
Speaker 3: government was willing and still to this day to talk about,
Speaker 3: you know, but they'll release they'll release the CIA will
Speaker 3: release those UFO. They go to Congress and say, listen,
Speaker 3: I'm telling you right now that was a UFO and
Speaker 3: it was following this navy ship and all this other stuff.
Speaker 4: And so it guys in the theory of kind of
Speaker 4: what we were talking about a few kind of lives
Speaker 4: back with the hybrids. You know, is this a hybrid
Speaker 4: that was kind of made and they were like, oh,
Speaker 4: that's probably not really working.
Speaker 2: Let's kind of mix up a little bit and chuck
Speaker 2: it over this side and say what happens.
Speaker 4: You know, it's like, you know, you've got to look
Speaker 4: at that because it's like the same type of things happening,
Speaker 4: but it looks completely different, but you know, has so
Speaker 4: then similarities. But yeah, and so then you've got two
Speaker 4: pathways on that, right, So if it's a hybrid, it's
Speaker 4: either an alien or something like that hybrid that has
Speaker 4: been dormant for many years and has finally kind of
Speaker 4: snuck back into the world andrase escape Pit. Yeah, said
Speaker 4: they've been sleeping in a cave, woken up, defrosted themselves, whatever,
Speaker 4: and have come out to cause havoc on the.
Speaker 2: Goats of Puerto Rico.
Speaker 5: Or the second option, seriously, but the second option is
Speaker 5: it's military, right, It's some form of military hybridization program.
Speaker 5: And I know a lot of theories around Bigfoot and
Speaker 5: Mothman and that sort of stuff that they are too,
Speaker 5: you know, genetically engineered or whatever mutations of these military
Speaker 5: kind of deep cover.
Speaker 2: Places that run through the states and stuff.
Speaker 5: I mean, we don't have that in New Zealand. Because
Speaker 5: we don't have enough money. We've only got an air
Speaker 5: force of.
Speaker 2: Three aeroplanes and one helicopter and we're pretty stroke bluck.
Speaker 2: We need some gaffer tape on it. Sure, we'll fix that.
Speaker 4: There's literally it's all all. But thank you very much
Speaker 4: Hallan Clark for that. But we are one hundred not lying. Okay,
Speaker 4: we are bag on threat.
Speaker 3: I've met some folks from overseas and yeah, it's glum.
Speaker 3: It's a little glum.
Speaker 2: It's pretty sad times.
Speaker 5: But when we see things in the sky, we know
Speaker 5: it's not military, right because there's just no way. We
Speaker 5: live in a tiny, wee little island that's you know,
Speaker 5: at the past end of the world. So when we
Speaker 5: have things like dog man sightings in New Zealand, we
Speaker 5: have Moiho men, which are you know, wild men, hearing men.
Speaker 5: We have these giant birds, huge huge eagles of you know,
Speaker 5: eight foot across it's absolutely insane wingspan that's said to
Speaker 5: be housed up in Section twenty five at the.
Speaker 2: Top of the North Island.
Speaker 5: And all of this sort of stuff that gets you thinking,
Speaker 5: is there a hybridization program going on through the military.
Speaker 3: Yes, I believe it. I'll give you an example. So
Speaker 3: right in Connecticut, I mean the state of Connecticut. I'll
Speaker 3: just say we just there's this one island off the coast.
Speaker 3: It's called Plum Island, and it's called Plum Animal Research Island. Yes,
Speaker 3: And out of that, there's right close to that island
Speaker 3: there is this the island of Montalk. And I want
Speaker 3: you if I don't know, if you've ever heard of
Speaker 3: the Montalk Monster. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so that was
Speaker 3: you saw the picture of it. It looked like some
Speaker 3: kind of of a like a pig slash, dog slash
Speaker 3: birds now beak just bizarre.
Speaker 2: So bizar look just.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah and sing enough? Mon Talk is just right
Speaker 3: next door to Plumb Island animal research. Do I believe
Speaker 3: that at some point the the US along with another country,
Speaker 3: had you know, some kind of a animal research plan
Speaker 3: and projects. Yeah, I believe it. I believe these things
Speaker 3: can be that. I lean more towards it being some
Speaker 3: kind of biological warfare, maybe like how much let's say
Speaker 3: you released something like the troop of cabra out in uh,
Speaker 3: you know, a country where the enemy is heavily dependent
Speaker 3: on the revenue that they get from livestock. So if
Speaker 3: you create some kind of a creature that will grow
Speaker 3: and become a nuisance type of creature. And by the
Speaker 3: time the thing gets identified, by the time you know,
Speaker 3: the first hunter gets its first pass to hunt these things,
Speaker 3: they've already decimated billions of dollars worth of loss for
Speaker 3: you know, for you know, the country. So do I.
Speaker 2: Pastest way to control the country? Isn't it the economy? Right?
Speaker 3: Absolutely? And here's the thing. If you go ahead and
Speaker 3: you do that, I mean, who's gonna how are you
Speaker 3: going to trace that animal? It's an animal. It's an animal.
Speaker 2: Put the blame on any and either. So it's just
Speaker 2: like just yeah, I'm.
Speaker 3: Kind of a weird animal that's become this this thing,
Speaker 3: and I'm sorry it's decimated your farmland and it's you know,
Speaker 3: costed you X amount of money and all this other stuff.
Speaker 3: And you know, yeah, I do believe that there have
Speaker 3: been uh, you know, hybridizations of not only animals, but
Speaker 3: I believe even probably humans have been you know, can
Speaker 3: Bigfoot be something like that? You know, is you know,
Speaker 3: they people go back to the Biblical times where they're
Speaker 3: calling Bigfoot probably you know, a descendant of what they
Speaker 3: called the Nephelin you know, and you know where it's
Speaker 3: in the Book of I believe it was in the
Speaker 3: Book of Genesis where it said that you know, the
Speaker 3: daughters of men had you know, children with the sons
Speaker 3: of God, and they were and there were these big men.
Speaker 3: There are these big, gigantic men of renown giants like
Speaker 3: the light and stuff like that. And then you go
Speaker 3: out and they do these excavations and they find these
Speaker 3: skeletons that are like gigantic and stuff like that, you know,
Speaker 3: and they're like, no, no, no, we didn't find anything there.
Speaker 5: It just takes them all and then destroy something. Lewis,
Speaker 5: don't get me started on giants. That's my that's my
Speaker 5: jam right like, that's my happy place. And there's you know,
Speaker 5: there's giant bones that have been found throughout Australia, throughout.
Speaker 2: New Zealand and have systematically disappeared.
Speaker 5: My dad's seeing giant bones. He used to work for
Speaker 5: the Department of Conservation. There's mini, mini, mini of this stuff.
Speaker 5: My mom's husband is part of a maorried tribe or
Speaker 5: an Ewe is what we call them up in Gisbon
Speaker 5: at the kind of east coast of the North Island
Speaker 5: and New Zealand. And he says to me, oh, yeah,
Speaker 5: we used to have a giant he was our chief.
Speaker 2: And I was like joking.
Speaker 5: He was like, no, no, he's a he's a same
Speaker 5: last name as him. He goes, he's my descendant. He
Speaker 5: was only a few generations back.
Speaker 2: Was joking. He was like no, no, he was like
Speaker 2: fourteen foot taol. He was massive. Yeah, blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: Tell me all the story about the giant chief that
Speaker 2: he had. And as I started looking into it.
Speaker 5: Almost every single ewe the different tribes throughout New Zealand,
Speaker 5: these multi tribes had these huge giants as chiefs and
Speaker 5: they would fight each other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely insane.
Speaker 3: What what what would stop? What would stop you know,
Speaker 3: someone like that or you know, animals from experiencing that
Speaker 3: type of growth or or something or I know there
Speaker 3: was a story going back, even when I was in
Speaker 3: the military, story going back to the giant in Kandahart.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you heard that story. And and
Speaker 3: and the people noticed that the people that were involved
Speaker 3: in that operation, they were Special Forces soldiers. These aren't
Speaker 3: just your run of the mill grunt like you know,
Speaker 3: or somebody that just you know, just got there uh,
Speaker 3: you know an hour before the operation. These are experienced, skilled,
Speaker 3: highly highly skilled soldiers. And for that report to have
Speaker 3: come back, and for most of those soldiers to have
Speaker 3: had them, you know, their mouths shut except for one
Speaker 3: who came forward with the story. That's that's when it
Speaker 3: starts to you, you know that there's a different The
Speaker 3: government is obviously protecting these animals or these things. They
Speaker 3: know exactly what they are, they know where they are,
Speaker 3: they know how many there are. I'm sure there's a
Speaker 3: pop there's a population control when certain there were going
Speaker 3: to back of saying I remember reading somewhere where uh
Speaker 3: if if for every time that there's a missing hiker
Speaker 3: or they start to get you know, a lot of
Speaker 3: certain regions like in Washington State would get you know,
Speaker 3: reports of missing hikers and and and people that find
Speaker 3: their property like strewmed about in the woods and stuff.
Speaker 3: But they'll never find a hiker that they've heard helicopters
Speaker 3: then soon after go into the woods and they've heard
Speaker 3: rifles going off. They've heard you know, ah, these things
Speaker 3: whatever from what they say, being hunted. So so are
Speaker 3: there do these things have.
Speaker 2: Huh? Do they have trackers on them?
Speaker 4: They're releasing them of trackers so they know exactly where
Speaker 4: they are.
Speaker 2: They're following them.
Speaker 5: And stuff and population control, right, population, So let's just
Speaker 5: say wan to within.
Speaker 3: You know, if it's a if it's some kind of
Speaker 3: a mammal, right, and it's susceptible to whatever it is
Speaker 3: that we have neurologically like schizophrenia, uh, you know, or
Speaker 3: or an animal with a that's that's just predisposed. Just
Speaker 3: just a mean just a mean what are you guys
Speaker 3: can blokes? Just a mean bloke, Yeah, just a mean dude.
Speaker 3: Like it's just like he does. It's one of those
Speaker 3: animals that it's just like whatever. It's like, it doesn't
Speaker 3: have the ability to stop its violence. So then they
Speaker 3: send in I believe, like a special forces team to
Speaker 3: go in and be like, yeah, well the tracker gave
Speaker 3: off it was this unit or this number, and this
Speaker 3: is where we track them. You got to go in
Speaker 3: there and neutralize the thing.
Speaker 2: So for me, that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 4: With the dog soldiers, you know what I mean, because
Speaker 4: you know a lot of people, you know, there's a
Speaker 4: lot of you know, like the dog mean and stuff.
Speaker 4: You know, they call the dog soldiers, but the dog
Speaker 4: men here, and it's really interesting when people have these encounters.
Speaker 4: It's like they it's like they go, I know, this
Speaker 4: thing is looking at me and you can see, like
Speaker 4: literally see it thinking.
Speaker 2: You know, so it's not just.
Speaker 4: An animal because you know, you you wouldn't look at
Speaker 4: a wolf and go, oh, you're thinking about whether or
Speaker 4: not to eat me, or you know, you'd kind of
Speaker 4: be like, yeah, that wolf's gonna eat me or it's
Speaker 4: not or something. But you can literally see these things
Speaker 4: like they're saying, you know, these encounters going. I saw
Speaker 4: it thinking whether it was going to eat me or not,
Speaker 4: and then just basically go you're not worth it, you know,
Speaker 4: and literally shrug and just walk off and leave them. So,
Speaker 4: you know, see there's that super intelligent there. So that's it,
Speaker 4: you know? Is it that hybrid? Are they making these
Speaker 4: literal dog soldiers?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 4: We well, I was really unaware of how many sightings
Speaker 4: there are here. And I used to work with an
Speaker 4: engineering company and some of the guys that I used
Speaker 4: to work with were quite high up and they were
Speaker 4: basically helping do underground military bases here in Australia. So
Speaker 4: basically if they were going off, we get invaded. By
Speaker 4: you know, Indonesia or whoever it is. These bases are
Speaker 4: in the middle of the desert, but everything's underneath, you know,
Speaker 4: like you guys you got these bases, there's probably nothing there.
Speaker 4: There could be a shad undergrounding and they're all underground.
Speaker 4: And so these guys that I worked with basically did
Speaker 4: the whole kind of what do you do with all
Speaker 4: the sewage and the food waste and all this kind
Speaker 4: of stuff and get rid of it? And you know,
Speaker 4: this whole generation and you know generating sorry, you know,
Speaker 4: like power and water and reusable stuff. So it basically
Speaker 4: nothing needs to come up. There's no waste. Yeah, but
Speaker 4: there is a lot of dog Man sightings here and
Speaker 4: it is insane. And to me, I thought it was
Speaker 4: like a big American thing. I just thought, oh, you
Speaker 4: know dog Man over there or skin Walker kind.
Speaker 2: Of Yeah, so many connections to that. Say, so, Lewis
Speaker 2: do you reckon? The Chupicabar is still alive and kicking.
Speaker 5: We like, obviously we've kind of separated the idea that
Speaker 5: the supercarbra in Puerto Rico is not the same as
Speaker 5: the ones through Texas America kind of that they're not
Speaker 5: the same so we're not going to talk about them
Speaker 5: because there's no point in going into that that if they're.
Speaker 2: Not the same creature. Right, I think we've all kind
Speaker 2: of established the fact that they're different, which is cool.
Speaker 5: So is the supercarbra in Puerto Rico or around those islands?
Speaker 2: Is what he reckons?
Speaker 5: Still alike, still kicking, gone back to his frozen himself.
Speaker 3: So with yeah, yeah, he went to facilitation and he
Speaker 3: he wears to drive through Wendy's now.
Speaker 2: Because like I'm a good guy. Dammit, I'm a good guy.
Speaker 2: Even give me a chance.
Speaker 3: The only way I lead an animal now if it's
Speaker 3: in between two buns.
Speaker 2: And not to eat a human. Just him a hug.
Speaker 3: Yeah, real quick, I honestly, I have you have to
Speaker 3: think about, like when you see like the dog Man
Speaker 3: or Big or like the dog Man, or any kind
Speaker 3: of cryptid that exists anywhere, like in New Zealand or Australia,
Speaker 3: where there's where you said, no, in New Zealand, there
Speaker 3: aren't anything that's really trying to kill you. It's Australia, right,
Speaker 3: So if there's what does it eat? Because if everything
Speaker 3: is poisonous, what does that thing eat that doesn't we've got.
Speaker 4: Like kangaroos and wallabies and.
Speaker 2: And we have a lot and some of that we talk.
Speaker 4: We have a lot of missing persons here in Australia,
Speaker 4: a lot of missing person and that thousand it went
Speaker 4: out into the bush or they went out into the
Speaker 4: desert and got lost. I'm like, yeah, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 4: if you went up with the satellite, they just be
Speaker 4: bodies everywhere.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: We have a high lot of cereal killers over in
Speaker 4: the Perth area, but there the West Coast, I got
Speaker 4: that side. There is a lot of seeing persons here,
Speaker 4: a lot of people going to the bush. We came
Speaker 4: across a police report of when we were investigating the
Speaker 4: dog men stuff of a hunter that went out.
Speaker 2: There was a somebody had seen.
Speaker 4: Up dog a dog man and then basically a hunter
Speaker 4: went out afterwards and it was basically his remains that
Speaker 4: we found and he was torn apart.
Speaker 2: So but then they.
Speaker 4: Were like, oh it must have been a dingo's wanting to.
Speaker 2: Do that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Or they're like, oh, he must have died and animals
Speaker 4: kind of pulled them apart.
Speaker 2: Dingoes here are not that prolific. They're very far and.
Speaker 4: Few between, and like we've got like the little Masufia's,
Speaker 4: like the tazzy tigers, which again are Tasmania.
Speaker 2: They're not a lot around. So even in.
Speaker 4: Australia, you don't have a lot of big animals that
Speaker 4: will kind of you know, tear something apart.
Speaker 2: It will be a lot of little little things. And
Speaker 2: then you don't have mountain lions. We don't have.
Speaker 5: You don't have big cats straight apart from the ones
Speaker 5: that were introduced.
Speaker 2: Cats that they call. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so there's no wolves, there's no beers, there's no
Speaker 5: mountain lions and big cats like that. So yeah, like
Speaker 5: ripping people apart, that's yeah, I mean it's pretty it's
Speaker 5: not believable, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that chupacabra after December. I remember it
Speaker 3: was that one December of night. It was at one
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety five where it was, it was at its height,
Speaker 3: it was the biggest thing and literally it just stopped.
Speaker 3: So I don't know, I don't know, we'll never know
Speaker 3: what it was, what it is, has it you know,
Speaker 3: you know, if it was interdimensional, it obviously lost its
Speaker 3: taste for whatever the island had to offer. If it's
Speaker 3: a species did it change its diet? You know, is
Speaker 3: is it still active? And if it is, you know,
Speaker 3: can we attribute it to the you know, the regular
Speaker 3: predation that you see throughout the island, you know, but
Speaker 3: now with the with the onset of you know, like
Speaker 3: I said, came and crocodiles have been introduced into the island,
Speaker 3: Certain monkeys have been introduced into the island. We have
Speaker 3: these gigantic iguanas now that have taken over the island
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. So it's like, all right, so
Speaker 3: the island is becoming, you know, this little haven of
Speaker 3: these you know, random animals that were once considered at
Speaker 3: some point some you know, Narco terrorists pet like a cayman,
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden the thing got too
Speaker 3: big and it couldn't stay in it swimming pool, so
Speaker 3: he released it along with its friends. And now there's
Speaker 3: a population with the tu I believe that it may
Speaker 3: have been you know, I'll give it because of the
Speaker 3: way that the animals were found. There had to be
Speaker 3: obviously more than one. There had to be more than
Speaker 3: three or four or y. There had to be way
Speaker 3: more than them because the area that was being covered
Speaker 3: was not something that I would think a little four
Speaker 3: foot animal beature would be able to cover all that.
Speaker 3: You know, again, the island's not that big, but it's
Speaker 3: not an hour and a half driving, you know. You
Speaker 3: picture that being four foot tall walking around and stuff.
Speaker 3: You know, it's not right. And then on top of that,
Speaker 3: you have to traverse, you know, some serious hills. You know,
Speaker 3: is Puerto Rico, ye island, but we have some serious
Speaker 3: serious mountain side, we have some hills, some pretty pretty
Speaker 3: perilous terrain also up there once you get into like
Speaker 3: the higher elevations and stuff. So, you know, this thing
Speaker 3: there had to be more than just one or two
Speaker 3: or three. You know. Was it a government experiment that
Speaker 3: they got all the data that they needed to get
Speaker 3: and then they rounded them up? You know, was there
Speaker 3: you know, do do these things have trackers? Like you said, like,
Speaker 3: do they have trackers and they release them in a
Speaker 3: certain area They're trying to get collect as much data.
Speaker 3: How much does the animal eat? How much? What's its diet,
Speaker 3: what are its inclination whatever its proclivities? Does it like this?
Speaker 3: Is it not like this? You know? Did it have
Speaker 3: an allergic reaction to the particular speeple? Whatever it is
Speaker 3: that they're trying to gauge this animal doing. I believe
Speaker 3: that they probably harvested as much data that they needed
Speaker 3: and then the experiment was over.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would totally go with that. I'll go
Speaker 2: with that.
Speaker 4: But it also takes away that creams of if it
Speaker 4: was just one, then maybe a farmer or somebody shot it.
Speaker 4: But then because there's such a big thing about it,
Speaker 4: there were skin, they kind of covered it up and
Speaker 4: just you know, could it be aerated or something? You know?
Speaker 2: You know, So that's that.
Speaker 4: But you know, if you're thinking that there's way more
Speaker 4: than just one, then that kind of covered you know,
Speaker 4: that doesn't really work fit that kind of narrative.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so it's really interesting.
Speaker 5: So and so many, so many stories, that massive state
Speaker 5: of stories all over the show really really quickly. There
Speaker 5: had to have been more than one to be able
Speaker 5: to get around all those goats, Right, it's not just
Speaker 5: one goat that was dying.
Speaker 3: It was numeral right was it was also because no
Speaker 3: animal unless Okay, so this is the too. So again
Speaker 3: the two theories I have where if it's something that
Speaker 3: let's say is otherworldly, right, does they have the type
Speaker 3: of technology to mesmerize a flock of animals and the
Speaker 3: animal doesn't move, The animal doesn't even make a sound.
Speaker 3: And not only that, the creature can feast to its
Speaker 3: hearts content and move on from one animal to the
Speaker 3: next one species. So I'm gonna kill chickens, you know what.
Speaker 3: Let me go try some goats. That's where the carbrot
Speaker 3: comes from. Goat sucker, rabbits. People that had rabbits inside
Speaker 3: of pens were also you know, eaten pigeon, peasants, and
Speaker 3: all kinds of stuff. So it had to have some
Speaker 3: type of control where these farmers can sleep through this
Speaker 3: complete slaughter of their livestock and not one animal let
Speaker 3: out a peep. So was it an advanced type of
Speaker 3: animal that has alien that has that type of thing?
Speaker 3: Is it? Is it a species of animals like you said,
Speaker 3: like an experimental thing where you know, it releases I
Speaker 3: don't know, some type of gas and it it it,
Speaker 3: you know, renders the animals, you know, or or a
Speaker 3: bite or a sting. Does that have a projectile one
Speaker 3: of his spikes? Does it come out? And you know
Speaker 3: it is that one of the three? Because three puncture
Speaker 3: wounds on something that looks like I remember they even theorized, oh,
Speaker 3: there there are giant vampire bats on the island. Now,
Speaker 3: no they're not, No, they're not there. We have yeah,
Speaker 3: but no vampire bat. Is I've ever seen a vampire
Speaker 3: bat do that to an animal. And if they do feed,
Speaker 3: if they do feed or whatever. Again, the natural biological
Speaker 3: course of things after ourn animal dies, it's stiff riggers
Speaker 3: and you can pick the animal up by the tail
Speaker 3: and it's completely stiff because it's got nothing in it.
Speaker 5: So and so that theory lewis of maybe a spike,
Speaker 5: a projectile or a gas or something like that, or
Speaker 5: semi poisoning almost you know, neurotoxin to a point where
Speaker 5: the animals simply can't move, can't do anything. And then
Speaker 5: that neurotoxin or that poison and there could be the
Speaker 5: reason it stops that rigging waters from picking straight in.
Speaker 2: Right, That would that one animal wouldn't that.
Speaker 4: But when you've got a whole herd, you'd have to
Speaker 4: be like you literally need a whole.
Speaker 3: A right imagine a four foot it's like a four
Speaker 3: foot three foot four foot thing, and who have thirty
Speaker 3: forty goats or fifteen goats and stuff? That one thing
Speaker 3: it had to be more than one, that the sightings
Speaker 3: were of one at a time, but say that there
Speaker 3: weren't any within the tree line observing behavior. You know,
Speaker 3: what if it's an advanced type of animal that you know,
Speaker 3: sends out centuries to scout out certain areas before the
Speaker 3: flock comes in, you know, for the protection. I know
Speaker 3: we do that when we do a reconnaissance of an
Speaker 3: area before attacking area. You have to do reconnaissance, You
Speaker 3: have to do your homework. You know, are these the
Speaker 3: type of ambush predators you know?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: And if they aren't, which I believe that they would
Speaker 3: be some kind of ambush predator, right because you have
Speaker 3: to tackle that many animals, maybe simultaneously at the same time.
Speaker 3: How do they coordinate their attacks?
Speaker 4: So many questions, Like you know, like tigers when they roar,
Speaker 4: they had that kind of sound, that unders kind of
Speaker 4: sound that literally makes their prey freeze, but you still
Speaker 4: hear that raw same as American Bigfoot's got the same
Speaker 4: thing that people you know, they get to the point
Speaker 4: where they just freeze, they can't do anything. You know,
Speaker 4: they go into like this absolute panic or it's known
Speaker 4: to turn them around and that kind of stuff. You know,
Speaker 4: the bigfoot thing they don't really hear. So yeah, so
Speaker 4: that's is that that kind of are they putting out
Speaker 4: that sound that's so quiet that nobody else can hear
Speaker 4: and it just basically makes all of them freeze.
Speaker 2: The human audio teck what you want?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well dogs, if you're on a dog, you
Speaker 3: have a dog whistle. You can have a dog whistle.
Speaker 3: You don't hear it, but the dog does. So the
Speaker 3: operating with some kind of like you said, like, you know,
Speaker 3: do they have echo location like dolphins and where they're
Speaker 3: able to send out If they do, maybe their echo
Speaker 3: location you know, sends out some type of vibration or
Speaker 3: whatever that renders those animals helpless. You know.
Speaker 2: Well, just you know that's it. Don't phrase and fig Yeah.
Speaker 3: People people have had encounters with bigfoot. I remember watching
Speaker 3: one episode and they were saying that, you know, in
Speaker 3: every episode that I've seen from a couple of these
Speaker 3: documentaries that you know, some hunters have literally brought their
Speaker 3: weapons up to bear on and said, you know, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna I'm going to kill one to prove that this
Speaker 3: is it science. You can you know, kiss my rear.
Speaker 3: Here you go, here's an eight foot here's an eight
Speaker 3: foot dude right on the slab for you. Let's find
Speaker 3: out what it is. Right. But they're saying that they
Speaker 3: go in and when they go and they raise their
Speaker 3: weapons up to bear on this animal, the animal just
Speaker 3: by looking at them, you know, they they you know,
Speaker 3: there's one where the guy was like, it looks human.
Speaker 3: I couldn't pull the trigger because if it was something
Speaker 3: like a monkey, like a gorilla, maybe somebody, even though
Speaker 3: they're majestic creatures, I would never want to kill one
Speaker 3: like a lion or I don't know why people go
Speaker 3: hunting for those things. I think they're beautiful, but just
Speaker 3: I can imagine a hunter who has no hesitation when
Speaker 3: it comes to downing an animal. All of a sudden,
Speaker 3: now come across this thing and you know, you're resolute, right, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do it, and all of a sudden, this
Speaker 3: thing just looks at you and you melt. It completely
Speaker 3: disarms you. So if a bigfoot, which is something that
Speaker 3: you would look like as a mammal or something like that,
Speaker 3: you're looking at a chubepacabra, which is something like possibly
Speaker 3: you know, some kind of you know, advanced weapon system,
Speaker 3: biological weapon systems. Who knows what they can do, who knows.
Speaker 4: It's scary, you know, it's a scary thought these things
Speaker 4: that are being you know, and we know that these
Speaker 4: creatures are being made. We know, you know, like the
Speaker 4: the technology and all that kind of stuff that's coming out.
Speaker 2: We've got no idea, absolutely no idea of what's going
Speaker 2: on around us. But yeah, it's amazing. Yeah, from I
Speaker 2: guess from our perspective.
Speaker 5: You know, like we were talking about this conversation prior
Speaker 5: to the to the recording happening, and we were kind
Speaker 5: of like, man, we really know nothing about the Chubcabra.
Speaker 2: We only know kind of the bits.
Speaker 5: And pieces that we research on mainstream media and that
Speaker 5: sort of stuff that we're able to get.
Speaker 2: So we were so excited to talk to you about
Speaker 2: it because we were like, we've got to learn so much.
Speaker 5: And now that we have had that kind of conversation
Speaker 5: and learn about its description and kind of what this
Speaker 5: little creature is.
Speaker 2: I can't even connect it with anything down here.
Speaker 5: There's not one thing that I go, oh, yeah, it
Speaker 5: could be this sort of folklory thing, or it could
Speaker 5: be this sort of nothing that I've ever heard of,
Speaker 5: even in the depths of my wee brain. I'm like
Speaker 5: kind of trying to dig in there nothing floating around that.
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, it could definitely be a connection, because
Speaker 5: most of the time, you know, we can connect big
Speaker 5: from the northern hemisphere down to the southern hemisphere, we
Speaker 5: can connect lots of other things that, oh, it could
Speaker 5: be there, or it could be that moth Man could
Speaker 5: be the alhol Bat or something along those lines. You know,
Speaker 5: there's other kind of significant connections between these cryptids that
Speaker 5: no chance, I don't don't even know.
Speaker 3: No, And it's I I was. It was interesting as
Speaker 3: I called my father last week and I said, hey, Dad,
Speaker 3: I hope you don't mind, because I said, I won't
Speaker 3: say your name, Dad, I won't put you out there.
Speaker 3: I won't, you know, completely put your title or anything
Speaker 3: out there. But I said, but I am going to
Speaker 3: talk about the experiences that we talked about. When he goes,
Speaker 3: what are you even talking about? I said, the whole
Speaker 3: thing went to Chupacabra. Remember. He was like, you're still
Speaker 3: thinking about that? And I was like, well, it's not
Speaker 3: thinking about it, Dada. You know, as we're trying to
Speaker 3: get to the bottom of what it is. He was like, listen,
Speaker 3: he was like, just whatever you do, just be careful
Speaker 3: your conversation. Just whatever. And I can tell in my
Speaker 3: dad's face my dad is not someone who My dad's
Speaker 3: a very serious guy. He's got a wonderful sense of humor.
Speaker 3: But most mostly you'll see him having you know, very
Speaker 3: deep intellectual conversations, and he likes to keep his reputation
Speaker 3: as you know, I'm a serious person. But yeah, but
Speaker 3: then it was like when when I brought it up,
Speaker 3: you can see the expression on his face completely change,
Speaker 3: and it was one of worry, you know, one of
Speaker 3: you know, let's just completely change the subject. I don't
Speaker 3: want to talk about it anymore kind of deal. And
Speaker 3: and talking to my brother because my brother also works
Speaker 3: for another agency, uh in in here in the United
Speaker 3: States and he's in deep law enforcement. And I said,
Speaker 3: you know, hey, what's the deal. You know, why is
Speaker 3: Dad so you know, a little not upset, but you know,
Speaker 3: he's a little concerned about the whole thing of the
Speaker 3: tue Pocaba. He was like, listen, he was like, you
Speaker 3: and I both work for Uncle Sam. And you know,
Speaker 3: when you're told to be quiet, you be quiet. You
Speaker 3: be quiet. You leave it alone, because that means to me,
Speaker 3: right as an investigator myself, that means to me that
Speaker 3: at some point, maybe he'll tell me in his deathbed,
Speaker 3: who knows, hopefully I'll get to say see that. But
Speaker 3: somewhere along the line, he was exposed to something he
Speaker 3: should not have been. Yeah, he asked questions, He asked
Speaker 3: the right questions and got some answers that got the
Speaker 3: investigation shut. Sure, and that's and that's where my brother
Speaker 3: was like, you know, it's one of those things that
Speaker 3: we may know later on what happened, probably when he's
Speaker 3: long gone, you know, if he leaves something behind by
Speaker 3: way of you know, something written.
Speaker 2: Just like here's this book. Can you just place you
Speaker 2: right in the heill it's locked away?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and uh but I but but like
Speaker 3: to your point, Lisa, Yeah, there's really nothing. There's no
Speaker 3: direct correlation between any kind of animal known or unknown
Speaker 3: that you can you know, theorize. What can it be?
Speaker 3: Like you know again, like it's a three foot four
Speaker 3: foot lizard looking thing that sucks blood out of animals. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and it controlled the island for it, like it literally
Speaker 3: was so huge. It both it bought revenue to the island.
Speaker 3: Because now you had a lot of a lot of
Speaker 3: the tourists that wanted to kind of go off the
Speaker 3: beaten path, right, So you had the you had the uh,
Speaker 3: the the people that were going to the cruises and
Speaker 3: would be like, oh, you know, yeah, we about you know,
Speaker 3: and they go into like so the cruises always end
Speaker 3: up in San Juan. That's support city, right, and that's
Speaker 3: where all the casinos are. That's where that's where everybody goes.
Speaker 3: That's where the best food is. That's where you know,
Speaker 3: the Bacardi again and and and you know a lot
Speaker 3: of the shop owners and a lot of the restaurant tours,
Speaker 3: and a lot of the people that were you know,
Speaker 3: working in the areas. That was their number one that
Speaker 3: that was their number one stories to tell, like all
Speaker 3: these experiences that they were having with the chupacabra and
Speaker 3: you know, we're selling you know, there were kiosks with
Speaker 3: the T shirts and the hats and all this other stuff.
Speaker 3: But then you know, there was this other side to
Speaker 3: this story that was a lot darker. It was a
Speaker 3: lot of you know, again, people lost revenue, people lost
Speaker 3: some people lost their livelihood and had to rebuild all
Speaker 3: over again. And stuff like that, and then there was
Speaker 3: the whole thing of the island now has to forget
Speaker 3: about it like and and and I think that's the
Speaker 3: ultimate insult to a people where you would try don't
Speaker 3: brush it. What did we see? We saw something. You
Speaker 3: can't hide this.
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask that is.
Speaker 4: The cheap of Caba still part of the touristy kind
Speaker 4: of thing there or is it pretty much been shut down?
Speaker 2: Do people still go there looking for.
Speaker 3: The cheap of camera or after the last it's been gone,
Speaker 3: it's the whole goes back. It's just like folklore. Now,
Speaker 3: it was that season in the island where people were,
Speaker 3: you know, hysterical because again, and what gives it the
Speaker 3: that I believe is the believable portion of it, the
Speaker 3: part that you're you're like, all right, so there has
Speaker 3: to be something. Is the kind of people, yeah, that
Speaker 3: that were witnessing. You had a pastor and his wife,
Speaker 3: several law enforcement season, law enforcement personnel, military personnel. You know,
Speaker 3: you see people in in in lower local government that
Speaker 3: were you know, the mayor of a city, the mayor
Speaker 3: of a town. You know, there were so many people
Speaker 3: people attached to the governor's cabinet, you know that would
Speaker 3: you know, these are people that go home at the
Speaker 3: end of the night and whoever you are, and they've
Speaker 3: had encounters. So when you had all of these upper
Speaker 3: and you know, higher echelon people within the government and
Speaker 3: within the you know, within society there coming forward and
Speaker 3: saying this is what we saw. And you have to
Speaker 3: tell these people shut up, you didn't see anything, or
Speaker 3: leave it alone. You're going to cause mass hysteria. That
Speaker 3: was it. So if there are things going on now,
Speaker 3: I would know, I don't think so. You would think
Speaker 3: the two hurricanes that have hit the island would have
Speaker 3: that would have produced some kind of something, you know,
Speaker 3: like body of some you know, you know, something like
Speaker 3: that where let's say, you know, the hurricane hit a
Speaker 3: lot of livestock was dead. So now these animals are
Speaker 3: left to try to go out after domestic animals like
Speaker 3: now I'm going to go after the the house cat,
Speaker 3: the dogs, you know what I mean, the things that
Speaker 3: are in the house, you know, to try to get
Speaker 3: their food. But nothing, there's been no you said there were.
Speaker 4: Like thirty five attacks in the beginning or as was
Speaker 4: that over the whole How many attacks in general do
Speaker 4: you think that there was like a kind of eight.
Speaker 3: Nine month period, Well, that was just thirty five cases.
Speaker 3: I remember in November. That was just November. Yeah, if
Speaker 3: you look at it, there how many you know, days
Speaker 3: in a month. And you were probably thinking like one
Speaker 3: and a half deaths a day or something like that,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. It wasn't anything that you know,
Speaker 3: like you would think like, all right, well it's it's
Speaker 3: going to stop here. No, it was just thirty five there.
Speaker 3: It was all over.
Speaker 2: That's what makes it.
Speaker 5: So crazy for all of a sudden for it to
Speaker 5: literally stop. Right, You've got copious amounts of animals being
Speaker 5: mutilated and suck dry, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 5: the next day nothing.
Speaker 2: And that's that's interesting because we never knew the amount. Hey,
Speaker 2: we never knew. It was such a fast thing to us, like.
Speaker 4: From you know, from doing research and from what we've heard,
Speaker 4: it was like, oh, there was an attack here, and
Speaker 4: then a month later there was an attack there or something.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: So this, you know, for you to come out and go,
Speaker 4: oh my god, this was thirty five just in one month.
Speaker 4: So over that like eight noine month period, there are
Speaker 4: hundreds and hundreds attacks that. I mean, that just puts
Speaker 4: a whole different scale on things, doesn't it That that And.
Speaker 5: You're not talking and you're not talking thirty five goats
Speaker 5: in one month.
Speaker 2: You're talking thirty five.
Speaker 5: Different localities of numerous animals being attacked.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was. And it wasn't just golds because
Speaker 3: there it was all the chupacabolo, the goat sucker. But
Speaker 3: it wasn't just goats that it was killing. They were
Speaker 3: you know, at rabbits that were in pens, you know, chickens, roosters,
Speaker 3: whatever animal was housed within that particular farm and that home.
Speaker 3: That's what it ate. And it was one town, it
Speaker 3: was several towns, and is we're seeing them here there,
Speaker 3: you know, here there everywhere. You know, it wasn't just
Speaker 3: fun thing. And for that, like you said, for all
Speaker 3: of that chaos and all of that where I remember
Speaker 3: people people Firearms sales had gone up, ammunition sales had
Speaker 3: people you know, the farmers were like not playing around anymore.
Speaker 3: Couples were taking ships. So let's say you had a
Speaker 3: farm and but you also worked in town. Well, then
Speaker 3: you know grandma would be at the house and you know,
Speaker 3: if the net the grand kids came home from school early,
Speaker 3: go hang out at grandma's house with the shotgun in
Speaker 3: the front porch and hang out and then wait until
Speaker 3: your uncle comes in. They're pulling ships because the main
Speaker 3: bread winner, he's out making you know, working in let's
Speaker 3: say a factory or something, but he also has the
Speaker 3: farm to take care of. So in order for him
Speaker 3: to have his mind at he's he would, you know,
Speaker 3: his families would come and work together to protect the
Speaker 3: animals because they didn't know what was going on. But
Speaker 3: you could only stay awake but for so long, so
Speaker 3: they would they they would say, well, obviously, what we'll
Speaker 3: do is they started, you know, having these It was
Speaker 3: some type of chicken or whatever that was like specially
Speaker 3: made to like make any kind of noise if anything
Speaker 3: comes anywhere near it. These things would just go nuts
Speaker 3: and stuff and nothing. You would go to bed, you
Speaker 3: would pull security detail over your livestock. You'd go to bed.
Speaker 3: You would think that if something were gonna come in here,
Speaker 3: we're gonna hear these animals are going to go crazy
Speaker 3: and you wake up in the morning and all of
Speaker 3: them are dead. That every every single that's such a thing.
Speaker 2: This is like never really been discussed.
Speaker 4: Has that like the like the pressure and just the
Speaker 4: fear that these farmers and these families must have been
Speaker 4: under because that they would have been going, is this
Speaker 4: thing literally.
Speaker 2: Going to start coming for us? You know, that's what
Speaker 2: you'd think. You've got this credator out there. It's like,
Speaker 2: if I've.
Speaker 4: Got no more animals left, what's he going to come
Speaker 4: after next? I'm probably going to be next on the
Speaker 4: food chain. So the and the heightened fear of what
Speaker 4: these people were going through and on such a mass scale,
Speaker 4: I mean, that's just yeah.
Speaker 5: I had and exactly what you say, lewis in regards
Speaker 5: to like the biggest insult of forcing these people to
Speaker 5: then forget brush it under the table. Nothing happened, Let's
Speaker 5: move on. It was never a thing that affects you
Speaker 5: as a as a person, but then as a generation,
Speaker 5: as a side in the community, it changes.
Speaker 2: It changes your your township.
Speaker 3: Ye say that, and your trust and your trust say that.
Speaker 3: It's it's it's also like you lose the trust and
Speaker 3: the people you elect because if you if I elect
Speaker 3: you to be my my spokesperson, right, whatever it is,
Speaker 3: whether you be the President of the United States or
Speaker 3: whether you be a local congressman or you know, someone
Speaker 3: that just represents you know, your interest to higher government.
Speaker 3: You would think that this is something that, no, we're
Speaker 3: not going to forget about this. What what is feeding
Speaker 3: off of our livestock? What's doing this? And you know,
Speaker 3: can you guarantee? So that that was the thing that
Speaker 3: they were like, all right, so they released some bs
Speaker 3: statement of don't worry about it. It was kind of
Speaker 3: like para super paraphrasing, but it was like basically the
Speaker 3: essence of the whole thing was, you know, it's it's
Speaker 3: the the era of the two pacabra is gone. There's
Speaker 3: no more. We don't need to worry about it anymore. Uh,
Speaker 3: go about your business, go about your lives, you.
Speaker 2: Know, to cover up the stock you loss.
Speaker 3: Everything's like money, turn it into charity, turn it into
Speaker 3: a thing where you know, you start to subsidize these
Speaker 3: little businesses and you start to kind of like have
Speaker 3: them push you know, the T shirt thing whatever, and
Speaker 3: you turn it into a joke and unfortunately, you know,
Speaker 3: it's it's it's not funny. It's it isn't a joke.
Speaker 3: It isn't something that you you know, especially then you start,
Speaker 3: you know, fast forwarding decades later, a decade and a
Speaker 3: half later, where you're like having our government literally admit that,
Speaker 3: and you know this is a CIA, a person within
Speaker 3: the CIA testifying to Congress that there were you know,
Speaker 3: UFOs following, you know, American military, you know, praps.
Speaker 4: But Big Folk's going to be nicked, isn't it? You know,
Speaker 4: big It's just too many. There's too many out there
Speaker 4: for them to say, no, it's not this. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 4: and I don't know.
Speaker 2: Do you watch the Expedition Bigfoot series?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Well you saw the last series with the found of
Speaker 4: that's nice, and then it's just finished.
Speaker 3: I'm just like, ah, and then you're gonna notice notice
Speaker 3: about these shows. Keep in mind whenever these shows start
Speaker 3: to get really good, like you and I would judge
Speaker 3: and say, this is getting really good, the anecdotal evidence
Speaker 3: is coming into the point where it's like it's blowing
Speaker 3: your socks off, right, watch how these shows don't get
Speaker 3: another season?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And pulling the plug on the show. Oh, we couldn't.
Speaker 3: They couldn't afford it, they couldn't do whatever, And all
Speaker 3: of a sudden, the show just disappears yeah close to Yeah,
Speaker 3: when you're getting too close. You're you're going to get
Speaker 3: shut down. You're gonna get shut down. These animals, every
Speaker 3: single one of them, whether it be a troop of Cabra,
Speaker 3: whether it be Bigfoot, champ Lockness, any of these cryptids.
Speaker 3: I firmly believe that there is a unit within every
Speaker 3: single government around the world that has a database and
Speaker 3: is tracking these things. I don't for one that believe,
Speaker 3: oh absolutely, I don't for one minute believe that the
Speaker 3: government does not. All governments around the world know what's going.
Speaker 3: Whether you're in Russia, Putin knows exactly what in China,
Speaker 3: they're gonna know who the orn Pendeck is. Their government
Speaker 3: knows what those things are. You know, your government obviously
Speaker 3: knows what the yahwis are. They know exactly where they are,
Speaker 3: they know exactly what they eat, they know their diet,
Speaker 3: they know their height. They probably even them. You know,
Speaker 3: there's a story I remember watching this Roger Gimlin, who's uh,
Speaker 3: not not the Gimlin from the Patters in Gimlin film,
Speaker 3: but another Gimlin. He's on YouTube. He's pretty popular, and
Speaker 3: I remember hearing the story because I was in the
Speaker 3: Air Force, and I remember hearing the story about a
Speaker 3: wildfire in the middle of the States, and they they
Speaker 3: where it was around somewhere around the holiday, some type
Speaker 3: of holiday, where they had a Air Force personnel standing
Speaker 3: guard for this one region where they were going to
Speaker 3: start pulling in either you know, animals that have been
Speaker 3: injured or people that had been injured because of this wildfire.
Speaker 3: And it was just like their their mobile station. And
Speaker 3: this one testimony going back to this airman who he
Speaker 3: was given this assignment, and they they you know, they
Speaker 3: give you that, they give you the spield. They'll literally
Speaker 3: have an attorney come up to you from the Judge
Speaker 3: Advocate General's office and they tell you if you open
Speaker 3: up your mouth and you say something, you'll be held accountable.
Speaker 3: You're gonna, you know, you're gonna go to jail. We're
Speaker 3: gonna throw the book at you, will bury you into
Speaker 3: the prison. You know, they'll never your mom and your
Speaker 3: daddy will never see you again. And so this guy
Speaker 3: comes forward and he says that right as he was,
Speaker 3: he remembers standing guard, and I'll send you this this
Speaker 3: video also he was standing guard, and he says he
Speaker 3: notices out of the back of this big, huge suv
Speaker 3: comes this gigantic. It was like this truck. There's this massive,
Speaker 3: massive truck and out of the back comes out this
Speaker 3: gigantic animal. And he said it was a bigfoot the
Speaker 3: way he described was a bigfoot. But what was striking
Speaker 3: was the mannerisms that this bigfoot had and it was
Speaker 3: like it a recognized that the humans that were around
Speaker 3: it were there to help it, so it wasn't fighting,
Speaker 3: and that the actual animal looked at the airman that
Speaker 3: was standing guard and almost gave it gave them an acknowledge,
Speaker 3: like acknowledge the fact that he was there and give
Speaker 3: him a head nod of some sort. And it just
Speaker 3: and this big thing just walks into this one area,
Speaker 3: and you know, this guy goes and gives this testimony
Speaker 3: and it was because of warfare. He says that the animal,
Speaker 3: the animal was actually injured, so there was visible burn marks,
Speaker 3: singed hair, singed, you know, areas that were really raw
Speaker 3: and down to the down to the subcutaneous fat. So
Speaker 3: the animal was obviously injured. And he said that it
Speaker 3: received medical care in it. It was released intelligence.
Speaker 4: That's that spends a whole new thing on it, doesn't
Speaker 4: it that, you know, because that's it, you know, these
Speaker 4: things are you know, the so called at their animals,
Speaker 4: then they're not going to be that intelligent, you know,
Speaker 4: really you that's the thing.
Speaker 2: You know, eventually they will kill.
Speaker 4: But these things are running rings around people, so they know,
Speaker 4: they're very all aware. And then you know, if you've
Speaker 4: got you know, the military and they're helping them to
Speaker 4: stay away from people as such.
Speaker 2: Then it's yeah, yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker 5: So far out man, you mind my poor brain away.
Speaker 5: I'm not going to sleep for days now.
Speaker 3: Did you see what I said? Did you see them
Speaker 3: when I sent you my daughter? My daughter? So now
Speaker 3: that we were like all about I know it was
Speaker 3: more about chopocabra. We kind of went into the bigfoot
Speaker 3: thing a little bit. But and I apologize but that yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's it's it's literally now, it's like something that from
Speaker 3: back when I was a kid listening to my father
Speaker 3: and watching my father go through the whole thing with
Speaker 3: the chupacabra and Puerto Rico and all the stories that
Speaker 3: came out of it. To then me teaching a firearms
Speaker 3: class and remember having this this this man who was
Speaker 3: a truck driver tell me this his experience with bigfoot.
Speaker 3: Here we are two years later, my dating this very
Speaker 3: nice young man. You know, it's very polite, better be
Speaker 3: you know, and yeah, yeah, apparently so so so, and
Speaker 3: I mean they know I don't. I'm I'm very smiling
Speaker 3: with everyone whatever, but when it comes to my children,
Speaker 3: I'm extremely overprotective obviously, like any parent would be. And
Speaker 3: you know, and I know that the kid wasn't trying
Speaker 3: to make an impression on me because he had already
Speaker 3: been very polite and whatever. And we were talking. I
Speaker 3: remember I was watching he had come to pick up
Speaker 3: my daughter to go out to go get a bite
Speaker 3: to eat, and I'm watching again, watching the documentary on Bigfoot,
Speaker 3: and he goes, I want to, you know, kind of
Speaker 3: talk to you a little bit about my experience, I said,
Speaker 3: with what he goes with Bigfoot. And I looked at
Speaker 3: him and I'm like, come on, kid, I'm not you're
Speaker 3: trying to you're trying to sun. Yeah, you're barking up
Speaker 3: the wrong tree. You're already you're already in my good graces,
Speaker 3: but bsing me, you're gonna lose points. So don't do
Speaker 3: especially you're pulling at my heart right now. You're talking.
Speaker 3: I have two big, fake big pots in my in
Speaker 3: my backyard. I'll send you pictures and stuff. So so
Speaker 3: he goes, no, he so he's uh, he was at
Speaker 3: church and the church and the church that he belongs to.
Speaker 3: This is this church that's a butt a massive tree
Speaker 3: line and woods up in the Massachusetts area and it's
Speaker 3: just all open, expansive whatever. And I forgot that. The
Speaker 3: name of the mountain that's Sleepy Giant. It's called Sleepy
Speaker 3: Giant Mountain. And the only reason they call it that
Speaker 3: because if you look at the mountain, it looks like
Speaker 3: the peripherals of a face laying down, and it's a
Speaker 3: giant face laying that whatever, So sleepy Giant. So his
Speaker 3: church is around that area, and what they would do
Speaker 3: typical boys. Once church service is over, they wanted to
Speaker 3: go hunting, So they went to church whatever through their
Speaker 3: their firearms in the back of the pickup truck. They
Speaker 3: go in. Soon as church is over and whatever, they
Speaker 3: run outside, take their ties off, whatever, boom head into
Speaker 3: the tree line. And he says he was there with
Speaker 3: his brother for about an hour and a half, two hours.
Speaker 3: They weren't gonna stay long because it's you know, one
Speaker 3: of those things where it's like you know, I still
Speaker 3: have my good slacks on. I better not get them dirty,
Speaker 3: or Bigfoot is not the one I'm gonna have to
Speaker 3: worry about. My mom is gonna wear out my mind.
Speaker 3: And so he goes into the woodline and he says,
Speaker 3: the first thing he noticed was this very, this very
Speaker 3: distinct smell. He said, it smelt like a gut bucket,
Speaker 3: Like like it was just this very putrid, like milk
Speaker 3: rotting inside of a hot dumpster when you were in school,
Speaker 3: that smell, that poetive smell. He was like, it was
Speaker 3: just really nauseating, the smell. And he goes and he
Speaker 3: starts to hear like what appears to be footsteps coming
Speaker 3: towards his direction. Now he's on a he's in a blind.
Speaker 3: You know what a blind is. So he's in a
Speaker 3: blind and he's all camoed out and out of he
Speaker 3: went and he made a move, and he's like, I
Speaker 3: went to call his brother on on his radio to
Speaker 3: see if he's the one coming through the woodline, because
Speaker 3: if it's a deer, it's mine. I'm gonna take it.
Speaker 3: So I want to let you know. So he has
Speaker 3: to communicate with his brother as a hunter. This is
Speaker 3: where I'm at. There's something coming out of the tree line,
Speaker 3: and you're gonna hear a gunshot. Before he even had
Speaker 3: a chance to open up his mouth and say anything,
Speaker 3: he says, right from the tree line, this thing just
Speaker 3: goes over and peers off the back of a tree
Speaker 3: and it's looking at him. He says it wasn't a
Speaker 3: big It wasn't a giant bigfoot. He says, it must
Speaker 3: have been some kind of like a in between, because
Speaker 3: it was regular. It was a little taller you would
Speaker 3: say it would buy like five eleven six to that type.
Speaker 3: So it wasn't without you know, the possibility of you know,
Speaker 3: it being a human. But the problem was it was
Speaker 3: like the facial expressions that you can actually tell it's
Speaker 3: not a mask. You're looking at an actual creature. Said,
Speaker 3: it looked at it. He brought up his phone real
Speaker 3: quick and snapped the picture, and he sent me the picture.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 3: They went out, and when he called his brother because
Speaker 3: the thing looked at him. Once he saw him and
Speaker 3: he saw that he had a weapon on him, the
Speaker 3: thing turned around and you know, bolted, just took off
Speaker 3: and started running into the tree line. He immediately gets
Speaker 3: out rendezvous with his brother. They start looking towards the
Speaker 3: area where he was running. So there was this one
Speaker 3: little creek bed where the creature must have run through,
Speaker 3: and they caught this awesome footprint and he took a
Speaker 3: picture of that.
Speaker 2: To me, us seen us those two pictures.
Speaker 5: But the picture of the forest where he's kind of
Speaker 5: seen sitting down is pretty tough, Like all things considered,
Speaker 5: it's pretty tough to spot them. Definitely shadows through there
Speaker 5: that you can kind of make out. But the footprint, man, whah,
Speaker 5: that's a cracker.
Speaker 2: And a half. Yeah, yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 3: So that was that was one of those things where
Speaker 3: I'm like, all right, so there's obviously a connection here
Speaker 3: where I'm like starting to see these things. Not only
Speaker 3: so now that I know that there's one possibly an
Speaker 3: hour and a half from me, Yeah, I'm going to.
Speaker 2: Go after it.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 2: And I think that's it.
Speaker 4: You know, Lisa and I've said, you know, we with
Speaker 4: us going more and more into this, we we start
Speaker 4: talking to bitby. I was talking to a guy the
Speaker 4: other day, like we've seen the same guy at the
Speaker 4: coffee shop with his two kids, and sometimes the kids
Speaker 4: will play together and stuff and literally last like about
Speaker 4: three weeks ago.
Speaker 2: Here she introduced himself and goes a hey, I'm Ryan
Speaker 2: or hey bye bye. Turns out he's a fireman ra rah.
Speaker 4: And then all of a sudden he starts going because
Speaker 4: I had teacher, and he goes, oh, what do you do?
Speaker 4: I was like, explain rolettes and he goes, oh, he goes,
Speaker 4: I absolutely believe in like a Thina scene, you know,
Speaker 4: which is the thylascene, which is the dogs here, And
Speaker 4: he goes, oh.
Speaker 2: I'm going thinascene hunting in Tasmania. Just like how random
Speaker 2: is that, you know?
Speaker 4: And he goes, oh, I totally believe in the yow
Speaker 4: and all this kind of stuff. You're like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: you just kind of you start attracting those people, so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because they become more comfortable like knowing
Speaker 3: that there's a possibility that you know, because that's got
Speaker 3: to be that's got to be one heck of an event,
Speaker 3: right you. You imagine you and Lisa who are so
Speaker 3: absolutely this is this is what you love, this is
Speaker 3: your passion, and one of these things that you're investigating
Speaker 3: comes out of the pages of your studies and into reality,
Speaker 3: and you have this eight foot creature looking at you.
Speaker 3: What would you do? I asked my wife that all
Speaker 3: the time. I'm like, let's say we're driving, because we
Speaker 3: go through rural areas all the time. You know, I
Speaker 3: think New England is very very woods and it's very
Speaker 3: you know, just a lot of woodline. And I get
Speaker 3: bear all the time in my backyard going through my
Speaker 3: garbage and stuff like that. So and I live next
Speaker 3: to a river. So I said, you know, I asked
Speaker 3: her one time, I said listen, I said we're outside,
Speaker 3: and she gets frightened really quickly, and I said, hey,
Speaker 3: what would happen if one day she goes stop, don't
Speaker 3: start that, don't ask me those questions. I'm like, what
Speaker 3: if we were going down a rural area and all
Speaker 3: of a sudden, instead of a deer popping on in
Speaker 3: front of us, this big, bipedal, gigantic animal comes out.
Speaker 3: But and she literally starts shaking, and she's like, I
Speaker 3: don't even want to think about it. So funny thing was,
Speaker 3: we lived on a farm for years, fifteen years we
Speaker 3: lived on this farm. Going into this farm, it was
Speaker 3: about a mile and a half road before you actually
Speaker 3: get into our house, and it was a dirt road,
Speaker 3: and she says she had she'd never do it again.
Speaker 3: She was watching something at her parents' house and it
Speaker 3: actually had to do with bigfoot. They had mentioned it. Whatever,
Speaker 3: it was dark at night, it was really late at night.
Speaker 3: She's coming home really late at night. But it was
Speaker 3: right before dusk, right when you it's getting dark, but
Speaker 3: you can still see, you know, certain things outlines and
Speaker 3: stuff going into our driveway. Right off to the left
Speaker 3: hand side of there's this big, huge, like probably fifteen
Speaker 3: sixteen acre field. She didn't remember that there had been
Speaker 3: people working in the field and one one of them
Speaker 3: must have put this gigantic tree out in the middle
Speaker 3: of it as a gag. For whatever reason. It was
Speaker 3: just a gag, the fact that her peripheral vision saw
Speaker 3: something that was completely out of place, that was not
Speaker 3: supposed to be there in the middle of dusk and
Speaker 3: at night, when like, and I'm a mile and a
Speaker 3: half because it was something like a bigfoot. By the
Speaker 3: time I got to her, she'd be done, right, she said.
Speaker 3: He rolls her window up and she's like, I'm not
Speaker 3: gonna look. I'm not gonna look. I'm not gonna look.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna look, and she hauls tail all the way up.
Speaker 3: I see the plumes of dust through the dirt road,
Speaker 3: because she is coming at least seventy miles an hour
Speaker 3: down that dirt road. And I come outside and I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm hearing her, you know, coming our bedroom. You can
Speaker 3: hear the gravel and the crunching of the ground as
Speaker 3: the wheels are getting closer. But I'm hearing that she's
Speaker 3: coming inbound. Hot, go outside her. I need to go
Speaker 3: outside with my shotgun. What's going on whatever? She's like,
Speaker 3: I don't know. I just don't want to talk about it.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you when I get inside. So I wait
Speaker 3: for her outside. She comes inside. There's something in the field.
Speaker 3: I'm like, what do you mean. She goes, there's something
Speaker 3: in the field. There's something massive in the field. I'm like, dude,
Speaker 3: you should call me. Did you take out your phone?
Speaker 3: Did you take a picture? She goes like, I'm not
Speaker 3: going to take a picture. What's a What if it's
Speaker 3: a sasquatch? What if it's a big foot? I was like, exactly,
Speaker 3: we could be millionaires. I get back in the truck.
Speaker 3: I go back out there. I get you know, I
Speaker 3: obviously arm myself. I go out there. I have this
Speaker 3: huge flashlight. It's this tree right in the middle of
Speaker 3: the woods. I take a picture, I go back, I
Speaker 3: go back inside the house and I'm like, I'm like,
Speaker 3: I don't I can't believe what I just saw. And
Speaker 3: she was like, oh my god, Oh my god, what happened.
Speaker 3: So she's screaming. I was like, someone put a tree
Speaker 3: right in the middle of the field kinds of ships
Speaker 3: and she's like, an asshole. Yes, you couldn't have just
Speaker 3: led with that part. It's a tree.
Speaker 5: So yeah, great, great, great question. I think we should
Speaker 5: answer this. All three of us should answer that question.
Speaker 5: What would we do if we saw a bigfoot? And
Speaker 5: let's wrap this up as the end of our interviewer, right, So, Juliet,
Speaker 5: what would you do if a yowie slash bigfoot appeared
Speaker 5: out of the yowie?
Speaker 4: Because we're in Australia, I probably want to eat my
Speaker 4: face big foot.
Speaker 2: I'd probably have a bit of chance with the big foot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think, you know, once you kind of get over
Speaker 2: that fear.
Speaker 4: It's like, you know, when we do a lot of
Speaker 4: paranormal stuff and we see some pretty nary stuff, sometimes
Speaker 4: you kind of get that job of Oh my god.
Speaker 4: But then I think my fascination would possibly take over.
Speaker 4: I know for some people it depends on the situation,
Speaker 4: isn't it. But you know, Lisa, I've always talked about
Speaker 4: you know, if you know, people are walking and they go, oh,
Speaker 4: somebody threw a rock at me, something through a rock
Speaker 4: at me, and both me and Lisa were just like,
Speaker 4: we should just throw it back and see what happens that.
Speaker 4: I mean, tell you, okay, throw a rock at mete
Speaker 4: And honestly, like that question.
Speaker 2: My first thought was I'd probably be like, Yo, what up?
Speaker 2: What are you doing? Why are you doing? Nice to
Speaker 2: see you?
Speaker 3: Would you be surprised if it was really familiar with
Speaker 3: our vernacular and he was like what's up?
Speaker 2: And fuck me right, I'd be like, no, shit you
Speaker 2: oh god, they speak English? Just yeah, they're are key
Speaker 2: we Nah? I think I would.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think like Juliet, you know, when you've been around
Speaker 5: that sort of stuff for a long time, like we
Speaker 5: understand the bush, we understand supernatural stuff, like we've been
Speaker 5: connected to that sort of bits and pieces around.
Speaker 2: I see UFOs all the time, all the time.
Speaker 5: I've had dog Man kind of in my peripherals, and
Speaker 5: we both come from that kind of martial arts sort
Speaker 5: of space where you you have that connection, you understand it.
Speaker 5: And I'm pretty I think Juliet's the same. We're pretty
Speaker 5: sure of ourselves. We're probably overly confident where we go
Speaker 5: and put ourselves into unnecessary situations. But I think if
Speaker 5: I did see a crazy creature like that, I'd just
Speaker 5: be like, knew it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and then possibly.
Speaker 4: If it growls us, we'll probably run away, And then
Speaker 4: I'd purse myself and run away.
Speaker 2: Yes, what about you, Lewis.
Speaker 3: You know, I'd probably invited over for some Bacardi and
Speaker 3: some tackles. I think that, yeah, I you know the
Speaker 3: thing with Bigfoot. I think that everywhere I go, I'm
Speaker 3: typically because of my job and because of what I do,
Speaker 3: I'm always armed. So I don't think that I would
Speaker 3: ever want to. And the reason I bring up the
Speaker 3: fact that I'm armed is because I wouldn't do anything
Speaker 3: against it. I would definitely have my phone out. I
Speaker 3: would definitely try to see if I can get my
Speaker 3: phone out. But I guess they're you know, the blob
Speaker 3: squatch because they have this ability to take you know,
Speaker 3: technology all this eight K four K technology and turn
Speaker 3: it into you know, something out of the seventies or
Speaker 3: something like that, like you filmed it through a potato.
Speaker 3: You know that I would try to approach one. I
Speaker 3: honestly would. You can tell if something is aggressive and
Speaker 3: if in me, listening to the story that Bob Gimlin
Speaker 3: said about how Bigfoot looked at him and kind of
Speaker 3: gave him an acknowledging nod was enough for me to
Speaker 3: be like, all right, so if that's possible, that means
Speaker 3: theoretically that these things that there may be a hierarchy,
Speaker 3: a representatives of this type of species. Maybe they're not
Speaker 3: all you know, I've heard stories of them, like people
Speaker 3: going like this and the sasquatch actually lifting their back, yeah, back.
Speaker 3: So I would try to communicate with it. If it's
Speaker 3: not it's the opposite of what it's not nice and
Speaker 3: it looks like it's ready to you know, rip my
Speaker 3: head off, then you know, I think I'd be the
Speaker 3: I'd probably set world records and you know, running on
Speaker 3: two legs.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's definitely, you know, because we had been around
Speaker 4: animals and we have you know, been around we can
Speaker 4: kind of pick up people's actually.
Speaker 2: So you you.
Speaker 4: Instantly would probably know if it's a threatening you know,
Speaker 4: is this a threatening behavior? It's a curious behavior, you know,
Speaker 4: the whole looking behind the trees. You know, to me,
Speaker 4: it's it's a very curious kind of creature going oh
Speaker 4: what the hell are they doing.
Speaker 2: You know over there or something like that. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: that would that would definitely be really cool. But yeah, bro,
Speaker 2: but we'd would be millionaires.
Speaker 5: We'd be millions, and encrypted women's society would be phenomenal
Speaker 5: and like, yeah.
Speaker 3: Everything if I come into let's say I find out that,
Speaker 3: you know, I am the long Lost ear to some
Speaker 3: type of you know, kingdom king Yeah, or to sponsor
Speaker 3: both of your uh escapades. But you're gonna get into
Speaker 3: the bush. You're gonna have to go try to find something.
Speaker 2: Oh like, we we come to Puerto Rico, we will
Speaker 2: be calling on you. You can be our guide. You
Speaker 2: can have the.
Speaker 4: Bush, and we'll promise your wife we want that you
Speaker 4: get eaten.
Speaker 3: The first stop would have to be the Bacardi Distilleries
Speaker 3: O first, you know, you first have to stop there, get.
Speaker 2: Back PARTI taco chup of camera.
Speaker 3: Well, get baptized officially as official Puerto Ricans. You know,
Speaker 3: you got to get the local fair in you and
Speaker 3: then we go you know, out into the onto the woodland.
Speaker 3: But most absolutely it was awesome.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
Speaker 4: Like honestly, this has just been such a joy for
Speaker 4: us and we and we have we have learned so much,
Speaker 4: so it kind of makes me want to kind of
Speaker 4: research it in a different way, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So it's it's one of those things that are just Yeah,
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