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today we're going to get into some true crime. We're
going to get into some dark, occult ritual type stuff.
Little s all, Ray, put your seat belts on. And
if you do have little ones around and you're listening
to this on your Bluetooth speaker, you might want to
wait un till you've got some long time or put
your headphones on for this one. But I'd like to
welcome the show. This man. I met him at bro Grove.
We got to hang out. We shared the stage together
on a roundtable discussion. We actually hung outside and have
us a smoke or two and back when I was smoking.
Forgive me lower, but I really enjoyed this conversation with
this guy. Man. But I like to welcome the show
first time, first of many Austin Picard man, dude, thank
you so much for taking time out of your business
schedule to hang out with me.
Speaker 2: Of course, brother, I'm sorry that I had to reschedule
on you at least once. But man, I've been trying
to collect myself honestly, just as far as you know,
when you cover some of this, it feels like I
almost I almost kind of. For one, it obviously takes
an emotional toll but I think the the these sort
of just connections are so sophisticated and deep in the
in the layers and levels of of kind of the
in my mind, how many of these networks function that
I investigate and so under the umbrella of my show,
which is called The Underclass Podcast. Obviously I started that
in I believe it was April of twenty twenty three,
so it's still very much I've feel in its infancy
right and and to me, that's another aspect of all
of this. I'm trying to kind of balance, you know,
the delicate balance you play right with with kind of
when you expose yourself to a lot of the details
and involved in some of the darker aspects of society
at large and how it kind of function functions in
this current power paradigm, you begin to yeah it. People
have described it as the black pill, but I very
much pivot away and steer away from that because I
think there's so much hope to be had, and you know,
I think the the issue is just being able to
manufacture a sort of defense mechanism and put it in
its in its proper place to where you can you
can engage with with at least you understand the sort
of current media environment that we exist in, and what
seems to be this sort of you know, fundamentally, it's
these mind manipulators engaging and socially engineered misconceptions and false
narratives to kind of like, in my mind always it
almost falls within the framework of modern mocking Bird, because
I don't believe Operation Mockingbird ever ended as far as
this major influence to undermine and compromise the major media
publications and outlets to to sort of become the voice
boxes of the permanent establishment and the intelligence apparatus that
you know, remains just oversaturated with individuals who are in
no way voted into power, right, there's no sort of
accountability to be had, And then I think that's a
major issue that I came to terms with, and to
me personally, I felt like the only way forward was
to have some sort of avenue and outlet to one
voice my sort of frustrations, but not to linger and
dwell on the negative aspect of how much this obviously
the consequential nature of the the uh, you know, these
these dystopian agendas obviously affect us in a negative way.
But at the same time, what I love to to
prioritize is these beautiful conversations, these open minded, objectively you know,
just willing to engage in a way to where like
we're just discussing privately, you know, there's no real concern
of you know, just offending someone over over a theoretical
concept right of some kind, or even just a belief
that you hold true to your core principles. Like it
seems like in this current environment that we're residing in,
you know, there's far less of that that we have
to concern ourselves with, and we can actually set that
all aside and then pursue this this kind of at
the very least collaborate in an effort to objectively pursue
the truth. And in that I've been discussing with each
time I go on with with you know, Top and
Raven on NDS and we talk about essentially through objectively
pursuing the truth, I personally have felt as if I
find I find God in that effort, you know, and
that in itself is like, I don't know it, I've
never in my life felt more, you know, honestly, as
if I have to I have to make a legitimate
it just spiritual terms that you have to kind of
utilize and as far as trying to interpret this current environment, right,
and and it takes time to get there. But once
you become willing and at least for some people, right,
But once you become overexposed and you realize that, you know,
it's it's impossible to explain some of this without you know,
understanding this additional layer to life itself and right and
the ethical I think, the crucial moral values and ethical uh,
you know, philosophical perspective that you should attempt to embrace.
You can only sort of find through that process. And
so anyway, I just personally, I'm on this path where
I feel very grateful, you know, I feel like I'm
trying to at least surround myself and engage with people
who are not only like minded individuals. And that doesn't
only mean that we're trying to confirm our own bias
or whatever. I think many of us, you know, don't
necessarily agree on every level, that with every single last
detail in terms of a lot of these things. But
but that doesn't necessarily mean we disagree either or or write,
or we're unwilling to at least entertain the idea or
concept and and that in itself is beautiful, you know.
I think it's it's it's something worthwhile and uh, and
I'm very proud to just be a part of conversations
like this because again, it provides us with an avenue
to just shed all of these you know, moral taboos
that that are essentially kind of tied to many of
these subjects in terms of just even breaching the conversation.
There are all of these this this sort of conceptual
baggage in place, and I think it's all by design, right,
manufactured in order to keep people away to to you know,
push them away from engaging in these lines of investigative
thought and and and it's an effort.
Speaker 1: To segregate us, you know, exactly, keep us in little
boxes and not you know, come together and talk about
these things and flesh these things out and discover the truths.
Any good military leader will tell you divide and conquer.
And uh, I completely agree with you. And uh. Some
of I don't know if they're still my listeners, but
some of my listeners in the past have given me
a rough time for some of the guests that I've
had on my show. You know, I've talked to people
of various faiths. People that were atheists, they were, you know,
formally in the occult and some of the shows I
go on and stuff too. And I try to tell people,
you know, I have a show and I happen to
be a Christian, but that doesn't mean that my show
is a gospel preaching church. I'm here to have intelligent
conversations with people and to get their perspective on things,
you know that I don't necessarily have. And I always
tell people it's kind of like gathering puzzle pieces. I
like to talk to people, get different perspectives, and I
might not agree with ninety percent of what somebody has
to say, but that ten percent I find that I
agree with and it's very valuable and it was a
missing piece that I had. So we have to go
out and have these conversations and like you said, just
be able to listen to each other, exchange ideas, and
the very least respond with you know. That's interesting. Yeah,
I never thought of that. You know, we've lost that.
We segregate ourselves and we want echo chambers. We want
to surround ourselves with people that think like we do,
agree with everything that we think about, and you're never
going to grow. You're never going to learn anything that way.
And if you happen to be a Christian. When I
have these conversations, more often than not, I always walk
away from the conversation with another puzzle piece to throw
in my evidence pile, and it just does nothing but
solidify my faith. Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think at least as long as individuals are
acting in good faith, which I think is you know,
that's when I'm very willing to engage and have a conversation.
But like, that's what I've attempted to learn over time,
is like, you know, there's a place for that. I
personally don't find it valuable to kind of engage at
a level to where it's like, you know, there's controversy
over you know, I feel much more like you can
have a constructive conversation and still disagree and and and
remain right just cordial within that context. And and I
think that that It's interesting though, because for me personally,
I just think we've all been sort of socially engineered
to embrace these new age esoteric values and in in
regard to the inverted moral landscape, it's been very well
orchestrated around us and and in a way to where
it's hard to even engage with reality itself or or
just pop culture and things of that nature without being
entirely overexposed to to that line of of of social
engineering and psychological control and and it's it's I think
it's just another avenue and and and branch of the
overall agenda of mind control and and uh and creating
this uh just extraordinary level of compliance for the general
public to to consistently fall into the trap of of
obviously believing in the overall collectivist nature of the philosophical
framework that they utilize in terms of how they engage
with reality itself. And I think that's a huge mistake
because but this is just my opinion. I think through
isolating and as far as like understanding and isolating and
firmly like pursuing the ability to define the core values
you uphold and you live by these ethical values, only
through that process can you then come become some sort
of net positive for the overall collective. Right, So I
just think that that should always be the goal, is
pursuing prosperity in the terms of your own family and
the people that you can have a direct effect on,
and even that it's like, be careful of what you
expect for yourself because you can't intellectually think for others.
You can't sort of hold their hands down that path
will usually slap your hand away and be a little
upset that you're pushing them in a in a direction
and they're going to have to come to those terms
on their own. Like I've realized that over time, And I.
Speaker 1: Think that's example.
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly, And I think that's a beautiful example because
it's so very important to remember what is most important,
what we should prioritize, and what we can control. And
it's the serenity prayer, you know, it's almost become a
mantra of mine recently. Just God, grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to
change the things I can, and the wisdom to know
the difference. And like that in itself, I'm just trying
to I'm such a control freak. I want to control
the outcome in every way. I'm obsessed with, you know,
I want to do well and and you know, I
want to improve at every level of my ability to
have conversations and present information that I think is crucial
and important and some thing that I want to present
in the right way. And but yet we're always going
to have our own failures and character defects that right
that we're But as long as we're attempting to improve them,
I think that is when you're on the right path.
Because if you're over you're hyper aware, you know that
that can become a detriment, it can become self defeating
in a way. And I think that I have approved
that to myself, you know what I'm saying. But it's
only natural. I think if you truly want to improve
and become a better person, and you have to identify
and acknowledge your character defects and and what led you,
you know, to making certain mistakes, and that's the only
way you can, you know, redirect yourself and and just
achieve some sort of self improvement at a level that
is worthwhile. And those are the people I want around me, right,
people that are seeking that path. Not you don't. There's
no perfection in this. It's just like you know what
I mean. It's like, as long as we're all trying
to bring the best out in each other through these
collaborative efforts, then I think we're doing something that is
at least on a path that is very worthwhile. And
to me, you know, it provides me with not only
it provides me with a purpose, right, but it's a
purpose I'm very passionate about. And that's what I'm very
grateful for, more than anything, is that I'm having these
conversations with people who kind of share that passion, you know,
and that in itself, I think brings the best out
in each other and people when they sort of pursue
that and engage in that way. And so that's why
I love, you know, bro growth like it was such
a beautiful thing, you know, and being surrounded by like
minded individuals who were so you know, eager and willing
to learn and engage at a level to where we
can each you know, share things with each other that
we might not necessarily have pursued, you know, on our own,
because we all think differently. We come together and what
we bring to the table is just it's very I
think it's a unique a uniquely different perspective and and
that's just kind of the human condition at play in
a way. But but it's it's beautiful to witness. And
that was my first that was really my first kind
of just live event experience that I had been to
as far as since I had started the podcast, I
hadn't been to anything like that. So yeah, I meant
the world to me and and and going getting to
meet like uh Top and and and Raven and and
see Doughnut and like you know what I mean, and
and Thomas and and meets you as well obviously. But
it was just like every aspect of it was was
kismet if olt. It felt like it was meant to happen.
And and there was a moment where you know, I
was just looking around and appreciating everything, you know what
I mean, Like it felt like it was something very special.
And yeah, it breaks that digital veil where where we're
these anonymous personalities in a way, right, it's it's uh
And I personally obviously like I wear my heart on
my sleeve in a way, I didn't take the precautionary
measure of of of keeping a sort of like pseudonym
or anything. So I am who I am, unfortunately, but
I think that's a good thing and a bad thing.
But but at the same time, you know, it was
very important to experience that. Right as far as bro
grove itself because again, it's like getting to see Sam uh,
you know, kind of like I got to uh to
do an in studio appearance with him on a podcast
during the weekend. It was just a lot of fun.
It felt like it was something you know that you know,
it was very important to me, something that I had.
It was kind of a dream in a way, right
and uh, and those things are just beautiful whenever they
come together. But but yeah, it was just again it
broke that digital veil, and it it at the very
least confirmed to me, you know that that these these people,
certain individuals who you know, I just wanted to meet them,
shake their hands, get a sense of who they really
were as people were acting in good faith and they
had beautiful intentions, right and and man, that inspired the
hell out of me. Right, So it definitely did. And
so I continue to talk about how just what a
good experience that was, and I hope that we can
continue to do that going forward obviously and and build
more of of those, you know, those kind of live events,
because I just think it's going forward, it's going to
be really important for us to just have some sense
of community, you know.
Speaker 1: And it's something that's lacking in this community. Honestly, like me,
I'm in the you know, the Christian fringe community, and
they have lots of conferences and I love them. I
enjoyed them. You know. I try to go at least
two or three a year, and they are It's the
similar as you were talking about with bro Grove. You know,
you get with you know, like minded people and they're
kind of conspiratorial and look at the supernatural side of things.
So yeah, you get to exchange those puzzle pieces with
those guys. But one of my big complaints with it is, uh,
it's usually the same old song and dance. It's usually
the same speakers every single year. And they're great speakers.
I love them, but it's like, you know, I may
love h reb By Steak, but if I eat reb
By Steak every day for a month, you know, I
mean that doesn't take away that that steak is amazing.
But if man give me, I'll take a greasy cheeseburger
every once in a while. And so it's like I
wish that at least that community would involve you know,
younger speakers and have some variety and bring in the
podcasters and you know, give them a platform to speak
and network with each other, and uh, that was just
really awesome and refreshing to go to bro Grove and
uh just to have all the younger generation and the
podcasters and so that, to me, that was just really amazing.
And that's something that is really really lacking in some
of the pools that I swim in. So maybe I'm
just gonna have to take it upon myself. I talked
about it all the time about doing you know, some
conferences and this is how I do it. I do this,
this and this. So maybe I just got to get
off my butt and actually do it and just make
it happen. If nobody's doing it.
Speaker 2: Right, hey, I think that's great. Honestly, I've had I
had a patron hit me up and kind of like
pitch that very idea. Right. It's just I think it's
something that it's very much there's there, there's an appetite
for it at this moment. And I think it's also
because it's the reason I started my show. I felt
so isolated in my ideas and and you know, I
wanted to have an avenue where I could have these
conversations and and and this has provided that and I
think there's an extra element that is very much. Yeah,
I think it's I think it's it's sort of there's
a huge appetite to meet with these live events and
try and actually, like I think people just appreciate that
that same energy that we explained earlier, right, because again
it's it provides you with like hope for the future
inspiration going forward. We're not alone, like these ideas are
are clearly you know, being shared and spread and people
and just have have a desperation to engage at at
a at an honest level. And that again it just
reinforced is the notion that that you know, there there
is this sort of just very much willingness to objectively
pursue the truth. And through that it's like you shed
your political ideological prison that has been kind of like
injected into your conditioning that from day one. I mean
it's like if it wasn't wasn't your parents' influence, you know,
directly it became your your sort of public school slavery
influence right of it. And and throughout that process we
all are conditioned with the pop culture that we engage
with and various kind of false idols that we accumulate
over time, and and then we wonder why we end
up in certain positions when we mold our lives and personalities.
After it, it's like all of us really are engaged
in some sort of identity crisis in a certain way.
And and we have to acknowledge that too.
Speaker 1: Of Amberson, you know, what did Amberson say? You know said,
the consistence, consistent foolishness is the hob goblin of the
little mind.
Speaker 2: Right, that's so perfect. Yeah, that is beautiful, and and yeah,
that's perfect because it just explains, honestly, it is this. This,
It's the reason why Hollywood is so you know, as
far as utilized as a as a tool to exploit
and leverage the average person into these compliant, you know,
ideological prisons, and then they sort of just it's like
a chameleon in a way, you right, you become this
the version of of what you It's very strange how
how celebrities, celebrity personalities are very much worshiped in in
this sort of modern framework. And again, I think it's
crucial in the terms of this you know, new age
esoteric ideological system of control that has been created to
sort of fill the god hole that so many people
are are desperately attempting to feel unbeknownst to them. I
think it's a subconscious effort and and obviously you know
it's it's a part of the human condition. And whether
you like it or not, you're worshiping something. And I
think that that people need to understand that it's you
might be subconsciously engaging in that worship, but something is
controlling you. And and h and at the very least,
you know, you're being lured into this submissive psychological state
of mind to where you you kind of like fall
into these these very traps that have been laid to
corrupt you into embracing that very inverted moral landscape that
is there to I think, facilitate these new wage ethical
moral values that are clearly just almost the uh. It's
it's sort of the again, it's inverted. It's it's the
ethical opposite of what you should pursue in every way,
and yet it's been couched and this sort of positive
framework and this new mindset to where people are embracing
it as the altered exactly. So I don't know, personally,
I'm under the impression that it's like I ask, you know,
Whenever people come on the show, I usually asked them,
like when William Ramsay came on the show, and I
asked him like, what is what is your sort of
thoughts on the intersection of culture creation, social engineering, COVID
intelligence operations, and this sort of esoteric occult ideological or
ideologies that are essentially being initiated through the subconscious mind
of the general public who are essentially I think there
are various methods of deception being utilized through symbolism and
occult iconography, right, And I think that that's a major
aspect of it as well, And that came up in multiple, multiple,
you know, just episodes that I've covered, especially the Son
of Sam Case and the twenty two Disciples, the Children
and the twenty two Disciples of Hell, and they were essentially,
you know, committing ritualistic sacrifices outside of various nightclubs. One
was called the Elephis Club, so it had like a
cult symbolism tied into the name of the club itself,
and that to me, it played into the layered symbolic
nature of the ritualistic sacrifice, which would be to the
elfice Elephis Levy like this essentially, yeah, it just refers
to this sort of kabbalistic you know, ancient esoteric and
in a way, Elephis Levy was was basically just one
of the one of the you know he was he
basically helped push forward in occult ideology, right and in
many ways, and I think helped with the New Age
infrastructure that's been laid in more ways than one. And
many of his teachings have been you know, sued and
upheld in the occult community. And so it it fits
into like the ro Secrucion mission that was allegedly the
the foundation of America. Is that we were essentially had
we were tricked into this false belief that it was
really about this city upon a hill and and and
in reality it was it was a ro Secrucion mission
to uh create this the you know what would become
sort of the ground zero of the New Age and
the occult path which they would pursue in sort of
the Age of Aquarius and bringing.
Speaker 1: Talked about that didn't he was the exact destiny of America.
And that's Exanda Graham laid out in Washington, d C.
And the phallus and womb all that stuff. Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, yeah, exactly Manly P.
Speaker 1: Hall.
Speaker 2: He won the Secret Destiny is is the sacred Destiny? Right?
What was it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a secret the secret secret.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of America. Yeah, it's fascinating, honestly that that is
David Livingstone is. I think it's a pseudonym. But either way,
he has a great, you know website. It's Ordo out
of Chaos. Basically, it's Ordo a b k O, you know,
and it's it's it's essentially just the you already know,
the Freemasonic nature of order out of Chaos and and
this sort of Yeah. But either way, that's the name
of his website, and he has some wonderful primary source
material that he provides in terms of of this the
Rosicrucial Mission and the Secret Destiny of America and how
how it essentially was this false framework and and that
obviously American history and history itself is just what did
Napoleon say? Allegedly he said history is a lie agreed
upon or a fable agreed upon, something to that effect.
I believe was was was what he claimed. And and yeah,
that that's uh, definitely the case as far as recorded
history is concerned. I think it's it's been a sort
of a fairy tale intended to you know, place us
on this compliant path to where we're willing to embrace
the structured, you know, systematic, systematically entrenched like sexual black mail,
you know, uh, a cycle that exists as far as
in d C. If you if you're considering just the
what I view to be like the ultimate currency in
d C for far too long generations has been basically
sexual blackmail and human compromise and in various forms of it.
But but it does seem that the more sinister you
are or sadistic in nature, you rise to power, you know,
and and uh and and basically you know, it's it's
it's very interesting because I think that you can trace
this back to even when I covered Watergate, I didn't
expect it to lead me down a path to where
I would discover the fact that it was a Columbia
Plaza prostitution ring that was attached to the uh yeah, yeah,
the Watergate complex was essentially the desk Idam Maxie Wells
was the desk that was being broken into at the
Watergate complex.
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Speaker 2: And she was the contact for the prostitution network and
the ring that had been set up two blocks from
the Watergate facility where these prostitutions were being offered up
to foreign diplomats and various politicians who would come into
DC because the DNC, Yeah, the DNC was actually housed
in the Watergate complex at the time, and they had
a private phone system that wasn't on the overall communications
network telecommunications network, and so this was the system on
item Maxiwell's desk where they would be sent to because
they believed they were privately communicating and and be offered
they would be offered pictures of the prostitutes and kind
of make their decision. Then here's the phone number you call.
Then you can have a conversation with the madam and
kind of make your order. And it's very interesting. But
it turns out that one of the White House aides
named John Deane from Nixon at the time. It turns
out he was he was married. Well, he just conveniently
the timing is very convenient. During the Watergate scandal, he
gets married to to Moe Bner Dean, which became his wife,
and she was the best friend of the woman who
Heidie Reichen, who was running the Columbia Plaza prostitution ring
out of the Columbia Plaza apartments, right, she was known
as the White House call girl, and that's uh she was.
Basically she was exposed later on as being a setup
by She claimed she was being protected by CIA, but
she was. It was because the CIA were running this
operation through the MOB and their mob connections with this
individual Mob figure known as Joan Neslein, who was basically
running this prostitution operation on behalf of the CIA for
plausible deniability purposes. And it's just crazy because if you
connect Heidie Reichen, you find out who she comes from,
where she comes from. She's an immigrant from Germany and
her father was a Nazi ss U boat captain and
and so you got Operation paper Clip that sort of
lingering in the background in terms of this prostitution network
and human compromise operation. And it's very interesting when you
look into all those connections because there's claims of like
you know, pedophile network being involved as well, and that
there was far more you know, legitimate blackmail that they
were attempting to procure to see who was on that
Basically they were trying to see who was on the
call list implicated in procuring the prostitutes. And uh and
mainly because.
Speaker 1: John he disappeared too, like the Epstein list.
Speaker 2: Absolutely and and exactly and you know who it's so
crazy as far as you know, the claims that were
made surrounding all of that and and uh and yeah,
just it to me, it makes a lot of sense
that that that was the case obviously as far as
just once more you're witnessing human compromise and sexual blackmail
play out. But it was a layered operation and you
had CIA, you know, operatives who were retiring for the
third time and working for CIA cutouts during the time
that they could access this the Watergate facility. It's very crazy,
but it goes to show that clandestine hid in hand
involved in every aspect of how society functions. And you know,
I discovered whenever I investigated the Finder's Cult. I honestly
I never expected to discover what I did in terms
of like a state sponsored intelligence operation that was conducting
child sex trafficking and essentially you know, I mean legitimately,
it seemed as if it was far more sinister than that,
because they were in infiltrating childcare organizations and essentially laying
out instructions of how they could uh you know, move
the children through various jurisdictions to keep the authorities off
the trail of UH and and you know, some of
their properties where they would house the children and cages
and things of that nature, which is it's terrible to
see who who the you know, the main founder of
the Finder's Cult was. His name was Mary and David
Petty and his wife.
Speaker 1: Just for those that's unfamiliar. I don't want somebody jumping
in midstream and not know because I'm one of them.
If I'm being honest. Uh, the Finders Club, What is
that exactly?
Speaker 2: Man, It's it's It's fascinating because basically the official narrative
is that it's it's essentially this this new age group,
right that that basically kind of like in the they
they were trying to they were trying to present themselves
as a hippie commune, a hippie commune that was essentially
trying to it was. It was ridiculous how much they
would deflect away from certain allegations and claim like various
aspects of animal sacrifice and ritual you know, animal blood
sacrifice during occult rituals was then like explained away as
animal husbandry. They were teaching the children about animal husbandry,
but in reality they were all dressed in white sheets
and robes and committing a legitimate satanic blood ritual. But
it was tied in at the same time, around the
same time as the McMartin preschool case was becoming public
and so basically that is around the time they come
in to public awarenesses. Around nineteen eighty seven, there's an
arrest made in Tallahassee, Florida. And it's very strange to
me because I think of of course, the fact that
this is peak Satanic panic at this time, right, and again,
I consider this to be a sort of manufactured media
trope that was intended to see a plausible enough cover
up narrative into public consciousness while all of these legitimate
examples of you know, with real evidence of satanic ritual
abuse continued. You know. And so it was around the
exact same time that the Finder's cult become exposed that
mc martin preschool sexual abuse scandal, and that investigation was
taking place from eighty four to eighty seven, and then
in eighty seven the arrests happened with the Tallahassee, Florida
arrests for these alleged members of the Finders. And the
way that it essentially takes place is you have these individuals.
On February of eighty seven, there's an anonymous phone tip
sent to the authorities and basically called into the Tallahassee police,
and it reported six children, dirty, hungry, and acting like
animals in the custody of these two well dressed men
in a Tallahassee, Florida park. Yeah, and instantly they're the
As the story unravels, like you consistently see this this
line of satanic ritual abuse, international child sex trafficking ring,
and you know, it was all initially confirmed and then
later denied. I think that all happened based on the
facilitation of the cover up because it was traced back
to these very high level individuals. You know, if you
I won't get off on a tangent. But the Confessions
of a DC Madam is another example of this because
it perfectly aligns with the Franklin scandal and this case
the Finder's Cult. And so the Franklin scandal is the
Franklin Credit Union in Omaha, Nebraska, which was you know,
there was a major embezzlement scandal that was that was
exposed and Lawrence E. King was a major part of this,
and he sang the national anthem at the Republican National
Convention in like nineteen eighty four. Right, And this guy
is uh sadistic pedophile rapist that legitimately was running a
child sex trafficking operation through and and laundering the money
through the Omaha, Nebraska Federal Credit Union and and and
basically was had an operation set up with the Boys
Town Orphanage. The the unfortunately the boys Facility where where
a lot of these children were being and not just
that facility. There were childcare organizations involved in and essentially
much more than just Boys Town. But but they were
procuring children from this obvious institution with with state funding and.
Speaker 1: And orphans are the best ones because they don't have
family or something to notice when they're gone, you know,
they're and even the cold hearted government officials can be like, oh, well,
we're lowering the overhead of the system. You know, that's
a few less miles to feed, and this, that and
the other, and even modern day called me conspiracy if
you won't. But during the Obama by administration, they you know,
they were separating the parents from the kids and putting
them in these cages. And then it was just a
few years ago they were talking about just all the
missing children. There was like, you know, almost like close
to like one hundred thousand kids or some kind of
crazy astronomical number that the kids are just missing. And yeah,
why would they open the borders, why would they say, yeah,
come on and bring them all in and then separate
the parents from the children, Because yeah, I think the
stuff that you're talking about is at play here.
Speaker 2: Same with what happened with Ukraine. As a destabilized nation
in this moment due to foreign policy reasons. You know,
it's like, uh, it became the child trafficking hub, not
just child traffic, human trafficking hub of the world. Like
it's the allegedly, according to statistics and various data sets, Ukraine,
since this major conflict has occurred, has become the world's
hub of human trafficking. Of course, I mean that's natural
when you have a failed state, But at the same time,
it's it's like when you see the the direct influence
of the intelligence apparatus at play, and then you're well
aware of the fact that unfortunately, there have been you know,
diabolical connections directly made to intelligence operatives facilitating and you know,
not only facilitating, but covering up, you know, legitimate human
trafficking operations that have sadistically abused children as well. And
then you also realize that in terms of the overall
scope of the enterprise, what they are are ultimately pursuing
is far more sinister than just human trafficking or even
child sexual abuse, which is terrible to even imagine. But
there are layers deeper than darker than that that are
being pursued and organ harvesting. I mean at various levels
of you know, things that people wouldn't like to even
imagine happening in terms of snuff films and and ritual
murder happening on film, because the Detro Networks is a
great example in Belgium, and and what happens if you
age out of that network. You're ritualistically murdered on film.
And then they distribute that snuff film to sinister pedophiles
through pedophile publications that have been you know, they're underground
and they're covertly facilitated and distributed, but they exist. The
Hermes publication is one example of that. In Padika magazine,
that's another, I mean that's a legitimate pedophile magazine, right, Like, uh,
there's there's a crazy it was a bulletin that, yeah,
nambla bulletin right. The North American Man Boy Love Association,
My god, talk about an organization attempting to normalize pedophilia.
They're claiming that that they should be a protected class,
that they just love the children, right, and and they
want the best for the children, and and they're concerned
their legitimate welfare. But it's fascinating stuff because Paul Banassi claims.
This is very crazy. He says in an interview. There's
an interview given in ninety three to Paul Banassi, who's
a victim of the Franklin scandal. Right, he's if people
aren't aware of who Banasi is, he comes up in
the Franklin scandal, and it's upsetting because clearly he's one
of the alleged victims, and he alleged that he was
sexually abused as a miner in Nebraska and around the
country where he was flown by Lawrence E. King who
sang the as I mentioned the national anthem at the
Republican National Convention in nineteen eighty four, directly connected into
George Bush Senior and the skull of bonesmen. Then obviously
more than just that. I think when you understand like.
Speaker 1: Who's back at a hailfire, you know exactly Management Franklin.
They found in that basement of that home he lived in,
I think it was in London, you know, just hundreds
of bone human remains down in his basement.
Speaker 2: Crazy, it's so crazy, and a lot of them were
looked like children, that's what they claimed, which is just.
Speaker 1: But that's kind of research. He had a room mate
at one time that was a physician and maybe he was,
you know, doing some autopsies and.
Speaker 2: They were great, right, that's what they say. They were
grave robbers for scientific experimentation purposes. Only what a very
convenient narrative beah.
Speaker 1: Some of the bones were burned too, I'm sure, yeah,
that was part of the experiments too.
Speaker 2: Oh right. And by the way, that there's an occult
of facet to burning of a corpse that that apparently
comes in the form of some of the satanic occult
rituals that they, uh apparently they practice. And this came
in the form of the Cancora the Cancorra Boys home
scandal which blew me away. It all happened in fast
in Northern Ireland, and it's basically it was a failed
state as well, and there was a civil war that
had taken place, and it was all it was all uh,
you know, pushed and provoked and by British intelligence, Western
you know, US intelligence were involved directly as well. Yet
m I five that that were they called Operation Clockwork
Orange and and it was I believe it was named
after the film. I can't recall now if it was
before the film or after, but but either way it
was all about this sort of strategy of tension and
destabilizing Ireland and then sort of just ruling over the
ashes and as they do, you know typically and and
and but again it seemed like the alpha logis the
alpha Freemasonic lodges were directly connected into the effort and
the covert operations that were being conducted in Northern Ireland
and how they were funding these paramilitary organizations to sort
of create this strategy of tension and and destabilized through
you know, these various stabilization tactics. You know, they would
have domestic bombings, mass shootings, right, it's it's everything that
you could witness and what Jose and I refer to
Jose from Noway Jose and and we do a show
called Already Dead every Tuesday night at nine thirty Eastern time.
It's pretty fun. But we are kind of like we've
been kind of like working on this, this this theory
that essentially you know, Gladio Operation Gladio and the stay
behind networks that were laid after World War Two essentially
laid the international intelligence organization at large that you know,
essentially it provides them with with zero accountability and and
and also it circumvents world leaders in world governments to
a certain extent, and that's exactly what that gives.
Speaker 1: Them the power And Zach folks, I mean for those
that's maybe not with us and thinking what we're just crazy.
I mean, this is the same company if you want
to call it a company, organization whatever, uh, that was
caught red handed back in that was the sixties and seventies,
that was smuggling cocaine and heroin over the border and
selling it and making money, making money off that, and
then compromising these mafia bosses because they were the ones
supplying them with all the drugs and then they didn't
get in line. Boom, there's you a drug bust. And
at the same time, you know, breaking up homes, making
this whole fatherless nation going on, and just it's a
manufactured downward spiral for not only greed and money, but
for control of the populace and the people in the
power seats.
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, I one hundred percent agree. I think it's
it's I mean, truly with it seems as if not
only the Gladiol network was laid in the right. You know,
you have the at lines that were clearly you know,
the sort of it was staged by the original OSS, right,
I forget what they were called before they even had
the OSS as far as the terminology they were utilizing
at the time, but they were working in hand in
hand with the Vatican at the time and where essentially
it was organized crime, right, So it was where the
mafia met with the Vatican and the intelligence footprint and
they were all essentially coexisting. And there's a book by
Paul Williams called Operation Gladio, The Unholy Alliance, and he
sort of stages how this alliance took place post World
War Two, and truly, at the very least that's where
it was, you know, implemented in its sort of systematic
structural integrity was implemented in that moment and ever since.
I mean you got the sixty three sort of killing
of the King ritual in Dallas because someone got a
little bit too, you know, I think just confident in
being able to expose the fraternal organizations of powerful influence
in certain ways, and in due to being initiated and
understanding how the power paradigm existed. That's the only reason
that JFK was willing to say some of the things
that he did was because he was so well aware
of the structured system and and wasn't Maybe he was
having a moral crisis. I don't know. It's hard to
decide why he would have made some of the statements
that he did. You know, I'm not trying to judge
the ethical values of an individual that's a stranger to me.
But you know, I can only gauge on what we
kind of know and what's publicly available.
Speaker 1: Just before starts speaking out against these hidden hands, you
know exactly, and it's like within a couple of months
or something like that, it was a short time bring yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: He's unlived one hundred percent. And meanwhile, he's not only
going against the fraternal organizations which P two le circle,
these these these uh, you know, secret societies. They they
legitimately were members of the you know, Alan Dolis, Henry Kissinger,
these these individuals were legitimate members of these these secret
societies and and were you know, meeting uh to essentially
lay out the path for the ultimate agenda playing out
despite the president in power, it didn't matter. And so
this was the permanent establishment playing out in real time.
The reason why RFK and JFK when they took when
they assumed office, when JFK got elected. They didn't know
for months that that there were domestic black sites set
up all throughout the US that were essentially aren't training
the Cuban exiles in these domestic destabilization GLADIO techniques, right
and then and then utilizing them in domestic situations, right,
not only for so you had, like, uh, what they claimed,
and that comes up in the hand of Death and
Henry Lee Lucas in that context as well, because you're
witnessing again apparently during when Nixon was the vice president,
he apparently gave a call to uh uh, gave a
call to Howard Hughes, and he says, you know, for
plausible deniability purposes, we need you to set up these
these various domestic black sites, right, utilizing these shell corporations
and companies in these various paramilitary organizations. And and therefore
we can you know, sort of in this covert way,
we can train up these operatives to then green light
go at any at any moment in time to sort
of pave the way for various you know, precedent setting operations,
whether it's they want to pass certain legislation, uh, so
they want to manufacture consent to.
Speaker 1: I mean, they matter the pride stuff. I mean, where's
all this money coming from to fund this agenda and
cause this chaos? And yeah, you make a problem because
you already have a solution and an end goal that
you won't so you make this, you know, chaos. And hey,
we got the order right here. You know, nine to eleven,
got is so spook that we would do anything, give
away any freedoms in privacy we got if you can
guarantee us that the nine to eleven something like that
won't happen again, you know CV nineteen. Oh, yeah, you know,
we'll sign anything. Yeah, just keep us safe while take
this manufactured cure you got if we can all keep
our jobs and get back to normal. And then at
the same time, you got the leader of the world.
Things are not going to get back to normal until
ninety percent of the populace is taking our meds.
Speaker 2: That's seriously what I mean, And it is it is
into modern day. They're utilizing these very same techniques, and
that's we just refer to it as modern gladiol. That's
what I've been referring to it as recently, just because
it kind of to me, Gladiol just refers to this
sort of umbrella reference to these very you know, well established,
sophisticated methods that they utilize to urge, you know, not
only manufactured consent, but legitimately condition the public and put
them in a state of fear to where they're far
more willing to embrace the dystopian outcome. And that in
itself is like psychological warfare at its best right. And
I think one of the greatest examples of who helped
seed this sort of psychological warfare conditioning system and put
it in a perfect place is is Michael Aquino, Lieutenant
Colonel Michael Achino, who he comes up so often. He's
he's a Satanic pedophile who was not only a member
and very close friends with Anton Levy and the member
of the Church of Satan. He then allegedly has a
dispute and a falling out with Anton Lavay. I don't
believe this. I think he legitimately took a fraction of
the members of the Church of Satan and then founded
what became an occult organization and you know, accult ideological
system itself, which was the Temple of Set And so
he created the Temple of Set which was, you know,
this sort of offshoot of the Church of Satan, and
they practiced this different you know, allegedly, this different ideology
they would practice, which you know, gave them what they
called the eternal Black Flame and that they themselves could
become their own gods. And and oh my god, it's
so crazy, man, because this comes into to play with
like a Peter Nigard type, right, they call Canada's Epstein
who the quote he had said that he was the
god of this eternal realm. Essentially, it was so crazy
actually reading what this guy said. Let me pull it
up actually, because it's so it's it's nuts. There. There
was this case that I saw Peter Niguard talk about.
Essentially he's standing there or is sitting there with one
of his friends who he jointly funds all of these
insane you know, sort of transhumanist modern eugenics theosophy.
Speaker 1: That's so amazing. I was about to bring that up,
and you did. You beat me to it. But they do.
I think they manufacture these branch offs. And they do
that because it's it's a wing of it's two wings
of the same bird. It's I think they do that
to widen their their reach because the core values are
the same. It's just they might did for a little
bit here, a little bit there, but they're really in
cahoots with one another. Because you had that with Madame
Levotsky and Alice Bailey. A lot of people don't really
dig too deep into her, but I mean she followed
this occult of of Levotsky in California, and what happened
the same thing that you just described with that other guy.
They had a difference of opinion on some things. Oh
and they split yet and a fraction of them went
off and they moved to New York and they started
this new branch of theosophy, all based on Madame Levotsky,
but just different cave yats. And they started the whole
Lucifer Trust Company and all of your world leaders without
fail or into this theosophy and transhumanism war in world
consciousness and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: Not only was Peter Nigard harvesting eggs and and legit
from from from women, allegedly Epstein was as well at
his Zoril ranch property you had. Juliette Bryant was one
of the uh she was one of the victims of Epstein.
She's made a lot of very interesting claims, some of
them extremely I mean, they're extraordinary claims, but but still
much of what she says I take very seriously right.
And and she claims that she was one of Epstein's
victims trafficked and spent time at the Zoril Ranch property.
She wakes up paralyzed and naked on an operating table
while at Zoro Ranch in the middle of the night
one night, and all of the victims that go through
the same process as Juliet, she claims, have this same
symbolic a branding where they were branded with a blue
butterfly on them, which she says represents Lilith, the first
wife of Adam, who she says harvesting eggs was allegedly
a priority within Epstein's theory of eugenics, and they weren't
far at all at the Zorol property from this military base,
the Dulci Dulcy base allegedly, and so that was I
think a priority. And then you consider the fact that
Peter Nigard, as I just mentioned, Canada's Epstein, who was
involved in many of this transhumanist sort of scientific funding
enterprises with Epstein himself. They overlap being represented on this
foundation called the Lifeboat Foundation, which is really crazy when
you look into what the hell was going on there
because and by the way, Nigard he allegedly said this,
because he had this obsession with immortality, right, and he
has a god complex. And he's quoted saying in some
sort of like spontaneous shouting, you know, rage that he
was in. He says, I am God. Do you not
understand this is my plane? I can do whatever the
hell I want? Right, Like that's the mentality of some
of these individuals. And to understand that Epstein had a
stable of women he was attempting to impregnate at all
times in this effort to see the human race with
Epstein's I guess, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's the thing, I mean, one thing. It
brought it in my mind when you mentioned the butterfly branding.
You know, is it the monarch butterfly?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: And you do you have all this stuff doing with
monarch And it's an evolutionary thing because what do they say,
They goes back to Hitler producing the perfect man, the
uber man, the uber man. That's what the whole you know, transhumanism.
Thing goal is it's to make humanity better, to make
them the supreme, uh, and to evolve them. Will you
look at the symbology of a butterfly. It's a little worm,
and what happens It goes into a cocoon, bursts out,
and it's evolved in this beautiful thing to the next
stage of life.
Speaker 2: You're totally right. Yeah, that that in itself is the
reason why it's it's very symbolic. It's the name Monarch,
I believe it was. I just read this amazing piece
by Ron Patten called Project Monarch and and he he
really does go all the way back to this the
Anglo Alliance in the nineteenth century. He talks about the
Bavarian Jesuits in the seventh in the seventeen seventies, and
he talks about the ancient you know, just the ancient
Uh what were the schools called in ancient Egypt? And
then and then prior to that as well that I
forget what they're called, but the there's.
Speaker 1: Essentially the mystery schools or.
Speaker 2: The mystery schools. Yeah, thank you, that is what they're
typically referred to as. And he explains a lot of
how the casting of spells was truly just hypnotism and uh,
and that people were unaware of it was just different language.
It was couched in different language. And since since obviously
ancient times, it's been very much modernized in the terms
that they're they're utilizing. But modern mind control is legitimately magic, right,
It's a cult magic in many ways, and and and
utilizing even electro electromagnetic frequencies and e M f elf
they can allegedly, according to doctor Robert Duncan, this Harvard
scientist who claims that he he claims that he uh
interrogated or not interrogated, but just interviewed like thousands. No
hold on, let me get let me get the note
because I don't want to mess that up because it
is it's fascinating, uh when you actually find out what
what he he alleges, especially in context.
Speaker 1: He is speak off top of my head, but I
just recently read a book. It was by something Ferrell
is his last name, but Mark from my family thinks
I'm crazy, recommended it to me and like, I don't
agree with ninety percent of the stuff he's saying, but
he's talking about some stuff and pointing, you know, to
what I think is a common truth. He's just calling
it something else. I call it God, I call it,
you know, folling angels. He calls a man of Naki.
I call him, you know, Genesis six, fallen angels. But
he's talking really heavily in one of the chapters about
MK Ultra and all the stuff that they were doing,
and that he mentioned some professor from Harvard that invented
some kind of electromagnetic wave machine that influences people and
changes their minds and you can program influences into them
and thoughts, and they were actually planning they called him,
and this was supposed to supposedly unclassified documents. They called
that guy. Uh during the uh Waco thing. What's that
guy's name? God, Yes, they called him because remember how
they they surrounded that place and they were shooting all
these loud sirens and trying to do this psychological warfare,
So that they called that doctor and asked him to
use his machine on that camp and if they asked
him if they think it would work, and he was like, yeah,
I know the work. And he was like, well, come
down here. We want you to uh subconsciously uh send
out waves to make them kill themselves, just like the
drinking of the kool aid. Do a mass suicide, the kid,
you do that? And he said, yes, I could do that.
He said, but I'm not doing that. And they never
involved him. But there's supposedly unclassified documents and his testimony
that yeah, he created this thing, there's a patent for
it in the US government. Even try to get him
to use it against the Kreshians in Waco.
Speaker 2: Absolutely no, that exists, one hundred percent. And there's even
there's much more than that. There's there's essentially a report
called the Wilchair Report as well. And this this blew
my mind. Brother, like, hold on, let me pull this
as well, because I just pulled the doctor Robert Duncan note.
We'll have to we'll have to talk about that.
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Speaker 2: Sidin't you the Waco aspect of mind control being involved?
Like I was very much unaware of it, and I
had done an episode early on about Waco, but I
had never stumbled across now I had known they used
this sort of psychological warfare on the Branch Davidians during
the siege obviously, where they're playing like ridiculous, They're playing
like rabbits being slaughtered, Buddhists chanting. It's all layered over
each other. It's like it's legitimately like the the what
did they call them, the man psychological Warriors or something,
I can't remember. When they were doing the Uh, the
sort of you know experiments within the military.
Speaker 1: Where they debation, you know, keep them up, they wouldn't
let them sleep and drive them.
Speaker 2: Crazy exactly the clockwork orange style like you know, sort
of like forcing their eyelids open while they they forced
them to watch you know, over and over these these uh,
these various kind of like you know, it was usually
very violent imagery that would be just patterned into each
other and like forcefully shown over and over in this
recycled way. And uh, and it was supposed to be
obviously programming them. Uh, but it was strange because there
was far more to it. I think that especially when
you see how individuals are potentially programmed with subliminals while
they're asleep, that kind of blows me away, right, But
it goes as far as like doctor Robert Duncan I
had brought up his name earlier, right, and this kind
of like it's something that to me, it offered a
window into how modern mind control can potentially, you know,
be utilized in this new found application where potentially this
doctor Robert Duncan had he was a Harvard graduate who
had written this book. He's an investigator and the book
was called Projects soul Catcher, secrets of cyber and cybernetic
warfare revealed, and he explains in twenty twelve that for
the past ten years he had personally interviewed more than
six hundred and fifty people who claim to have been
under government mind control, and many of them said they
were in the Manchurian Candidate ID program. Free he went
to the Senate Intelligence Committee and met with twenty six
senators as well as the head of the LAFBI. After
he works with the consortium of scientists on a research
project for over eight years. He provides the closest estimate
he could reach, and he says that there are about
ten thousand Mancharan candidates in the works being programmed by
the CIA right now that can be used at any
time around the world, and that he also claims and
concludes that only a small percentage of these ten thousand
are actually successful Mancharians, and that apparently this provides the
CIA and allows them to subvert certain international laws forbidding
the agency to engage in the assassination of foreign leaders
through the strategy of indirection, or utilizing agency handlers to
indoctrinate individuals into these Mancharan candidate programs self righteously apparently
it's you know you're seeing, just like many different examples
of how they'll self righteously assert plausible deniability after the fact.
But doctor Robert Duncan claims that a lot of these
alleged mass shooters, he says, such as James Holmes, falls
into this Manterean candidate category as well, and he suggests
one of the ultimate priorities is to predominantly manufacture consent
for landmark gun legislation, largely encouraging Americans to disarm themselves
through a combination of drugs, manipulative psychological techniques, and advanced cybernetics.
They have achieved many of the goals of Project mk Ultra.
He explains that modern day technology does not require brain implants,
although they do work very well, but they seem to
rely much more on post hypnotic suggestion. Now, I thought
that was interesting, especially considering the DOGE employee Big Balls.
I forget what his actual name is now, Corasteine something Corasteine,
and he was the one who was allegedly just beaten
in DC and provided like it was the weak prior
to provide the sort of foundation and precedent setting notion
that would potentially manufacture consent for the federal takeover. That
was called Liberation Day of DC. And the basically not
only was the National Guard brought in, but the federal
investment just the Metropolitan DC Metropolitan Police Department was essentially
overruled by the federal agents who took control and superseded
the mayor and anyone else who was involved at the
local level. So it's just another way to centralize power
to the federal government obviously, right, But there are these
precedent setting operations on each side of the political spectrum
that will manufacture consent for these very same uh you know,
dystopian measures and policies that are then you know, entirely
what's it called, just just you know, abused, right, it's
just a complete abuse of power. Right. And once more,
they never you never witnessed the state, uh you know,
acknowledging the fact that, oh, whoops, we took a little
bit too much control here, we should we should ease
back you know our overall Right, Yeah, dystopian totalitarian nature
of how the state kind of functions.
Speaker 1: It's really say, yeah, you overpaid me, you know, a
thousand dollars on this check. I rightfully couldn't take this here,
take it back now that that never.
Speaker 2: Exactly, but but yeah, that just to me. It's it's
interesting because I found out that that individual DOGE employee
who was allegedly kind of beat and provided that this
sort of at least if you look at the crime
statistics allegedly, it's not like it's even crime is a
little bit down in DC compared to you know, the
pastor I'm not saying crime is great or anything. I'm
just I'm just saying that it doesn't seem that it
seems as if there is an agenda at play here
and we're potentially being led by the nose into embracing it.
And based on these kind of recent public publicated just
these articles that have been published that that kind of
provide this this precedent setting notion, and I think, uh
provide the general public with an incentive to call for,
you know, we need a crackdown you know on crime
and DC or wherever. And I'm not saying that that's
outside the realm of possibility as far as crime is
concerned in these areas, but I am saying that the
federal government abuse of power is never the solution, at
least in my mind, right. I just think that that's
a slippery slope. And inevitably, you know, when the power
parent when the pendulum of of in DC, as far
as the power cabal and the the presidential administration in
office swings to the other side, Uh, each individual will
well obviously it never ends well, right for for kind
of like creating these uh these Yeah, it's it's really
just another power grab, right in my mind. And so
I'm looking at all of that and how it factors
into potentially this big balls right, who has been the
DOJE employee who also first became like very much in
the public spotlight a few months back for another sort
of political agenda that was attached to him, which was
just the defunding of certain federal you know, organizations like
US A, I, D and things of that nature. And uh,
and so he's already provided a sort of precedent setting
notion in the framework of the mainstream media. And so
now he's so it turns out that this individual gets
gets assaulted in d C and provides Trump with with
this sort of at least he even referenced this specific
case for an example as to how crime is out
of control in d C, right and how this this
uh what's it called the Home Rule Act would be
the next step of liberating d C. That was a
week prior to him actually doing that this week and so,
and then of course he threatens to do this in
New York, Chicago and Los Angeles as well. So it's
again it's.
Speaker 1: Say California number one. Thing popped in my head, and
it's like these people don't realize, Uh, they're against the
administration right now, you know, ideology, you know, with their
ideology and things. So it's like, yeah, if you're going
in the street and you're rioting and you're burning you
see these down and businesses and stuff like that, you're
not doing yourselves any favor, folks, because no, because you know,
the state is supposed to take care of itself. So
if you are this huge disruption and the state can't
handle it, what do you think is going to happen? Next?
Martial law? The federal government. The Feds are going to
come in and lock you down, and then they're going
to get control over your state exactly. But I think
it's a mixture. I mean, I think it is just
ignorant people. You know, that's from this generation of safe
spaces and crying and pitching a fit in the dollar
store or Walmart to get that toy they wanted and
they didn't get their ass busted. So they think it's
okay to do that now, and if they do that,
they'll get their way. But at the same time, I
think there's like you talked about, there's there's implants. There's
Feds and people there that entice the crowd that throw
the first brick, you know, or you know, I mean
push them to get to that point, because we even
seen that with the January sixth stuff. Now it's come
out there were so many FEDS in that crowd that
was leading the charge, and you know that trying to
encourage that the herd mentality, so to speak.
Speaker 2: And the disappearing pipe bomber too, right, that that guy
was a fed straight up, Like there's there's a legitimate
footprint you can tie back. It's it's very strange how
many different examples you can point to that show that
you had spooks infiltrating and escalating, and that's what they
do at every level to attempt to obviously undermine the
credibility of a protest in general, which you know, say
whatever you want. I personally, you know, I don't think
much is accomplished by protesting. I think it's it's more like,
if you show up at a protest, you're kind of
setting yourself up and you're running a very high risk
of becoming vulnerable in that moment and clearly being implicated
in some sort of criminal uh you know, escalation that
would occur, and information gathering.
Speaker 1: All the zones and cameras at these things, they're getting
more profiles on you, all your facial features, all this
stuff is getting put into a program and you're being profiled.
Speaker 2: Man, absolutely, yeah, that's a you know, there's no doubt
in my mind. But the only reason I brought all
that up was because I felt like I found out
that that kid, that DOESE employee, he was prior to
being employed at DOGE, he worked for Neuralink, and so
I was just like, oh, no, imagining microchips right, modern
versions of the Mentorian candidate programs and how yes they
utilized microchips, but post hypnotic suggestion actually works far more
superior as far as the effective nature of it. But
still it's imagining, not saying there's any real evidence of this,
but imagine if you wanted to put you know, just
let's say, position a strategic asset in place, and he
were a part of some sort of precedent setting operation
that included a mentorian candidate to just you know, obviously
provide an avenue to manufacturing consent for some sort of
dystopian policy that is par for the course in my mind.
And uh, and so it just it's it's on the
table as a legitimate option as far as uh, you
never know what they're attempting to achieve. And I think
the strategic nature of the clandestine operations they run domestically
it fits perfectly and and in no way, especially understanding
Elon's history and his his family alone, like his grandfather
hold Himan, he like he he ran u uh uh
Technocracy Incorporated was the organization that he ran. And he
was a part of the Social Credit uh, the Social
Credit Party in Canada. So you want to know what
actually every single principle that Elon Musk is attempting to pursue,
it comes exactly from that playbook that his own, you know,
totalitarian grant or you know grandfather was was pursuing as well,
you know, or I think it was his grandfather. Yeah,
And uh, it's just to me, it proves out that
so many of these individuals, prominent individuals, are manufactured personalities,
you know, to sort of be larger than life, this
sort of fairy tale notion that that the general public
will eat up at face value, and they will again
create those platforms for the false idols to be worshiped
to where then they will just you know, just fall
perfectly into place, be be corralled back into this establishment line.
And and to me, it's it's always they're they're attempting
to offer these plausible alternative solutions that truly are just
another trap that will help facilitate the very same dystopian agenda.
And that's where you have to be remain skeptical at
all times. You know, you can't play I don't play
partisan politics. I don't have like any sort of you know,
I don't believe anyone's coming to save us in terms
of a human being who has our best interest at
heart and rises to the center of power and dec see,
I don't believe that is possible, you know, I think
you let essentially you have to be corrupt and compromised
at a certain level, you'll never reach these prominent positions
of power. And and I think that's been very much
exposed over time. And and there's a reason why. It's like,
what is a president. It's it's essentially the the individual
in charge of public relations for the general public. You know.
It's like he's out there trying to manage public perception
for the you know, the overall elitist agenda playing out
and and you know, whatever whatever version of it you
want to call it, I mean the Great Reset, Operation Lockstep.
I mean, in every way, they're pursuing an identical agenda, right,
it doesn't matter which political party is in charge of government.
Speaker 1: Utopia. They've been slowly turning up that boiling water. It's
like the frog and water. You know, if you turn
it straight up to one hundred, that thing's going to
feel the heat and jump out. But if you just
slowly notch it up, you know, over fifty years, sixty years,
just little by little, you're not going to notice it
till it's too late. And that's the plan.
Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah, And I think it's in every way we're
seeing we're witnessing the pivot to technocracy and the digital
enslavement that they're attempting to achieve obviously and guaranty YEP,
which hand in hand with what the social credit model
of the sort of the social credit score model of
the everything app that maybe what was Klaus Schwab saying,
he was warning, he was threatening the general public, claiming
the next, the next.
Speaker 1: The next MPs and the down of the electrical grid exactly.
Speaker 2: He said it will make COVID pale in comparison, and essentially.
Speaker 1: They were talking about the worldwide pandemic before it happened exactly.
Speaker 2: I mean, event to a one is such a great
example of the tabletop simulation exercise, but it goes far
beyond that. I mean, they've been manufacturing that crisis for
quite some time and it just, honestly, I think they're
even potentially ahead of schedules. As much as it achieved,
really in terms of a president setting operation. I mean,
my god, the dystopian nature of the COVID policies and
how they were embraced so willingly due to a perceived
threat which was just entirely again manufactured in more ways
than one, and it's just to me, it was very
It was very frustrating to witness and live through, right,
because it revealed how much we've all been conditioned. But
at the same time, it just goes to show how
critical thinking skills just go out the window whenever, yeah,
someone feels there's a potential threat, you know, and that's
that's what you have to defend yourself against. Is that
sort of weakness? Right? That?
Speaker 1: And it's nothing new, right, you know, Solomon? Is that
best nothing news on the sun? You got Benjamin Franklin
talking about, you know, hundreds of years ago. What did
he say? He said that those that will trade their
freedom for the illusion of security deserve neither. So they
were doing this crap back then.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Yeah, and that is one hundred percent true. And
they've been problem reaction solution for for you know how
how long, and it's legitimately, I think, proven to be
a very efficient and effective model, and that is the
reason why they continue to utilize the very same playbook
that But it's also allowed for individuals who like ourselves,
who at least kind of possess this pattern recognition ability,
you know what I mean, it's just at the very
least due to a overexposure, it's it's kind of become
a skill set right in a way, and I'm very
much proud of that fact that I kind of feel
like I have the tools necessary to not fall for
the deception, right, which is always deliberately being placed and
presented to us. Then, but again it's like we're we're
all I think, vulnerable to much of the deception. So
it's just again we have to be aware of that
and again be cautious and in sort of engaging in
a lot of this just manipulation, you know. And and
but I will say that the craziest part of what
doctor Robert Duncan said blew me away, and it was
just kind of on. And also I think the Project
Monarch we should discuss a little bit deeper as well,
because of how much I think there's a spiritual connection
to the Altars and implementing the dissociative identity disorder and
the multiple personality disorder which allegedly through Monarch and and
the sort of trauma sexual, uh, you know, abuse that
that they would utilize as a tool. Essentially, they claim
that it's far more efficient in the prepubescent context, which
is terrible and disgusting, but legitimately They claim that the
the the traumatic abuse. Uh. Allegedly, it is far more
efficient and effective in in the younger the victim.
Speaker 1: And it's an alternate personality where the alternate personality takes
the trauma and puts it in a little box in
their brain, you know, I mean it kind of they
branch offie it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's the fight or flight response that essentially
they it's it's a way to endure the abuse in
this sort of distant way. You can you can attempt
to protect yourself within the context of your own mind
from the abuse that's playing out. And uh yeah, it's
disturbing as hell to even content later can see, you know,
just as far as the conception alone. But yeah, basically
in this insane context of of you know, the combination
of different methods they would utilize for human behavioral modification research. Uh.
Doctor Robert Duncan claims that this the modern day technology.
As as I mentioned, they rely much more on post
hypnotic suggestion, although although the you know, brain implants do
work well. But then he says, one of the goals
is to of course confirm what we're saying, to create
split personality. But split split personality spies, so they could
pass information without even knowing it, and even commit murder
with no memory of the crime, so they could still
pass a polygraph test, which is exactly what happened to
Sir Hans. Sirhan like he had no idea what had happened.
And when he's tackled to the ground after shooting the
blanks and the pantry at the Ambassador Hotel, right when
RFK was assassinated, Uh, he's he's like he's in a trance,
one hundred percent. He's tackled to the ground and he's
still excessively he can't stop pulling, pulling an imaginary He's
still pulling the trigger on a weapon that isn't even
in his hand anymore. And and that goes to show
when he's he's put into a trance on the record
and during the trial where he uh, he does the
exact same thing where they walk him through the scene
in the pantry and he just starts convulsing and and
he starts pulling an imaginary trigger. And it was just
obviously a part of his programming, and so it wasn't
as if he was he was pulling a trigger knowingly.
Uh you know, Uh basically how it was presented was
essentially that he was he was shooting blanks as a
distractionary tactic from the actual assassin who was point blank
range behind rfk's head. And his name was Thane Eugene Cizar.
He's actually like he I think he he got away
with with, you know, sort of he got away with
getting rid of the weapon in a very sloppy way.
But it was due to his connections to Howard Hughes
and the intelligence apparatus at the time. And again he's
like connected as a mafia hit man. So he was
a hit man hired by the intelligence apparatus through Howard
Hughes Shell Corporation to show up as a as a
security guard moonlighting at the Ambassador Hotel just before RFK
is about to have his his major you know, addressed
to the public right after he gets elected essentially as
as the the primary Democratic representative going forward and in
the because it was the primary process at the time,
So he was basically being awarded you know, his his
political victory for for winning the primaries and becoming the
main Democratic representative going forward for the presidential campaign and
h and again he was in no way going to lose.
I don't think that that president election cycle, and mainly
just due to his relationship, as you know, JFK's brother.
Honestly at that time, let alone some of his you know,
civil rights and stuff like that, that was being very
much like at least.
Speaker 1: Brother was hale on their system. So they just I'm
sure they safely assumed the brother would be too.
Speaker 2: Exactly and what is it sixty eight whenever he gets
assassinated and JFK was in sixty three. And what's more
fascinating about all of that is that in the RFK assassination,
I couldn't believe it, but he it turns out that
it apparently just before he would go to the Ambassador Hotel.
It's it's fascinating because it turns out that Richard Condon,
the individual the men training candidate right, the original book
was written. And it turns out that John Frankenheimer Right,
who adapted the original film, he adapted it in sixty two.
It was October of sixty two, and the story, obviously
the plot of the Manchaaran candidate is a covert communist
plot to kill the president, and Right and Frankenheimer had
originally sought out JFK's approval of the film, allegedly due
to the heightened state of the political climate in America
at the time. JFK allegedly urges him to follow through
with the project anyway, and then by November of sixty three,
so in less than a year's time, or no, in
a year and a month. Essentially, yeah, a little bit
less he would be. He would be assassinated in Dallas.
But what's more interesting to me is that you had
a dinner party take place five years after the assassination
of JFK. And by the way, after he's assassinated, the
film was pulled out of circulation until eighty seven.
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Speaker 2: And I didn't realize the original film was actually pulled
from circulation because I mean, if you watch the Manterraean Candidate,
it's crazy. It I mean it's it's Frank Sinatra. And
then and what's her name? Either way, this individual is
programmed to legitimately walk up and kill his own his own, uh,
you know, a soldier that he had known personally and
then he served in the military with and he was
friends with this individual, and he he was just put
into a hypnotic trance, provided with the trigger words necessary
for him to be triggered into that, you know, obvious
a programming that he had been practicing a while and
a hypnotic trance prior, and and then he would act
out as programming entirely, you know, sociopathic, unemotionally, walk up
as if nothing else was different. And uh, and the
individual who he's who he's, you know, order to shoot
in this sort of environment where where they're they're presenting
this to to like a panel of scientists essentially, who
are are sitting in like theater seats watching this take place,
with a military official leading the process all the way
in a scientist as well, I think, either way, and
and you witness him getting giving, you know, being given
his his a trigger as far as the words that
are necessary to trigger the trance, and then he he
proceeds to walk forward and you know, shoot his his
what would basically be one of his closest friends in
the head, who is also sort of in a trance
and just smiling right, And it just goes to show
that there's no emotional impact when you're carrying out your programming.
But the fact of the matter is that this individual, Frankenheimer,
who had sought out JFK's you know, approval for the
film just before he would die, and then the film
itself would go out of circulation until twenty five years later.
Speaker 1: Well, Frankenheimer knew, you know what I mean, that's what
I think. I think it's like he knew they were
after and they were going to kill him, and this
guy come up with this movie. Yes, push that out
that way when something happens. To me, people have a
clue and know what's going on. It sounds like it
after the fact they yanked it and it's like, now
we'll let this come out once everybody's forgot about him.
Speaker 2: Exactly, especially since it's you know, the mind control nature
of that plot is what is most fascinating to me,
not just the Manchurian aspect of what they were able
to accomplish. But the fact that in sixty eight there's
a dinner party five years after the death of JFK.
And it's hosted by Frankenheimer himself, and Robert Kennedy happens
to be at this party, right then he's apparently the
party is being hosted by Frankenheimer four on behalf of
Robert Kennedy, And so who's at this dinner party? And
by the way, apparently it gets far more interesting than this,
because it turns out that there were a Sirhan. Sirhan
was allegedly at a party hosted at Sharon Tate's house
as well. So that's very interesting, especially concerning the Manson
murders and Sharon Tate, you know, the fertility death ritual
that she was sort of, you know, forced to endure.
But they were all practicing craft. They were members of
the Processed Church of the Final Judgment as well, and
allegedly were visiting the Rome chapter for a short time
before they came back in and Sharon Tate was murdered,
which is very interesting. And then that Rome chapter of
the process shut down right after the Manson murders took place.
In the Local chapter that was associated with Pasadena and
the law, the Freemasonic lodge in that area, and the
what do they call it, the Devil's Staircase, and these
various locations where they were all meeting. Manson was showing
up there. They were all practicing blood rituals and sex magic.
And it's very interesting because it goes to show why
there was allegedly footage that the LAPD discovered at the
Roman Polanski house when Sharon Tate was killed that showed
like footage of her being sadistically abused and tortured in
a sort of like oragy rape, right, and Roman Polanski
was allegedly filming it, which is just you know, it's
very interesting, especially considering their backgrounds in the occult, you know,
and practicing some of these rituals, so you know, Rosemary's Baby, right,
and all these various uh uh you know, connections to
to Polanski himself. I mean, I think it's it's very
obvious that that I think even Sharon Tate was potentially
believed to have been a witch, you know, who was
practicing this black magic in certain ways, so it's not
as if she were entirely innocent in the situation. But
you know, how are we to know at a certain point.
You know, it's just like there's a lot that is
still out there for us to find that kind of
proves out and reinforces so much of these connections. And yeah,
I just think that whenever you discover that RFK is
actually at this dinner party and he's attending the dinner
party with his four children and his wife, as well
as Sharon Tate and Roman Polanski who are at this
dinner party with RFK, and in twenty four hours, within
twenty four hours later, Bobby Kennedy's assassinated at the Ambassador Hotel.
And so that to me, you know, especially considering that
this was the evening of the election where he won
the California state primary. He's supposed to go back to
the hotel where he gives this famous speech right onto Chicago,
is what it was called. And then just moments later,
he's like ushered through in a rush, in this very
sort of misdirected way on purpose, because this is what
you do in an OP. And he's driven off course
by his handler who has him basically, the security has
him by the arm. They take him in a different
direction than what was necessarily planned. And essentially take him
through this small area into the pantry of the Ambassador
and that was where all of these people. It was
very you know, crowded and cluttered, and so there was
a It gave an advantage for the operate, just the
sort of tactics being utilized on the ground in the operation,
because it was sort of like again tactic of misdirection, right,
And so I just thought it was interesting they quickly
bring him into the pantry and then essentially Sirhan had
already been placed into the trance because he has a
terrible essentially induced amnesia that he experiences prior to the
incident in the pantry, and all of it was centered
around he kept saying coffee, right. He basically went into
the Ambassador sort of where the pantry was located, was
there were a couple of spots you could sit down,
have a coffee or something, and he allegedly followed a
girl in a polka dot dress into the pantry where
he had coffee. And all he could say when he
was in a trance is coffee, coffee, coffee. It's like
the last thing he could remember. And then essentially they
walk him through it as well though, and it's very
insane because he starts talking about when he's under hypnosis,
the first things he starts to write on the paper.
And I told this it's insane because there's doctor Bernard
Diamond as an expert in psychology, and he essentially he's
the one who puts Sir Han into a hypnotic trance
in order to have him relive the events under hypnosis.
And they say who is with you when you shot him?
Right and and he says girl, the girl, the girl,
And then they essentially start asking him about his recollection
of being choked by someone on a table in the
pantry is the only thing he can remember at all.
So that's essentially him coming out of his program. And
so is this apparently after he's he's grabbed and put
into a headlock and he's still trying to pump out
imaginary bullets in the blank. It's just crazy to me.
But he couldn't recall shooting him. He couldn't even remember
writing anything about wanting to kill him. And there's a
book that was discovered allegedly his personal journal, and he
was just writing over and over, RFK must die, r
FK must die. And it was just like very strange,
But it seemed like while he was in his hypnotic trance,
he was just further reinforcing the programming to a certain
extent to where that's effectively what it seemed as if
what you know, had been happening, because he was described
as seeing Tart going into a hypnotic trance and seeing
targets in front of his eyes, right, and so he
thought he was at the shooting range. Which, yeah, if
you've been hypnotized and then you've been forced to just
continually shoot at a shooting range based on certain you know,
physical triggers, psychological triggers that have been set up through
the hypnotization process, it makes a lot of sense to me.
Speaker 1: Well, you're going to autopilot. I mean, I'm sure all
of us can you know, sympathize with some of us
sleepwalk Like we you know, have a dream that we're
going to the bathroom and then we're gonna go take
a pee and we wake up and we're standing in
the bathroom and we're peeing all over ourselves, you know.
Or I mean, if you're not a sleepwalker, I mean,
I'm sure many men can buse you for being honest.
We've had a dream that we're going to the bathroom
and we go to pee, and all of a sudden,
we just feel warmness all over our lap and we
wake up in bed. Oh shit, you know what I mean.
So if you're putting the hypnotic state and you're shown that, yeah,
I mean, your body kind of goes into autopilot. So
you have a dream that you're in the bathroom you're
going to pee. If you got to know a dream
that you're at the shooting range with a gun you hand,
you're gonna pull the trigger.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. And it is crazy too because there
was basically Sir Hans lawyers they still argue as recently
as like twenty twelve. I think it was even later
than that though they made statements sense. But but yeah,
they were talking about how Sir Sir Han was definitely
they believe uh and legal papers exist as well that
that he was essentially manipulated by a seductive girl in
a mind control plot to shoot RFK and his bullets
did not kill the presidential candidate. And further, there were
documents provided by the attorneys that apparently there were you know,
extensive there was extensive coverage on this but it didn't
really make the public spotlight in any real way. And
and but still you have these interviews with sir Han
during the past, you know, as far as at there
throughout like the entire process of his of his uh
you know, just as far as being apprehended in custody
and serving out his conviction. He has definitely had multiple
scientists and individual hypnotists and and various UH psychological experts
who have tried to come and conduct like interviews with
him and try and see where he truly is psychologically
and if he were suggested like as suggestible as it
was allegedly claimed during the original trial for the expert
hypnotists who were involved in that original trial. And so
but what is very strange is that of course he's
placed again under hypnosis during these interviews years later. And
this is you know, within the past ten years, this
has happened with sir Han. And there's still even r
FK Jr. Came forward and claimed that he went and
met with sir Han and he claims he's innocent and
didn't kill his father. And you knows, as much as
I think RFK Junior is definitely compromised at some at
some level by the Epstein network just because of like
you look at the connection to you know, first of all,
he's very much pictured with Epstein, you know, and beyond that,
he's his wife. Right. She basically discovers his perverted sex
diary and then commits suicide. She hangs herself, which that
was one of his ex wives, right. And it's very
strange the circumstances involved with that, because it seems as if,
you know, I'm not sure if there was foul play
or what, but it does seem as if there's some
sort of human compromise involved with RFK Junior. But I
will say that some of his work I very much appreciated,
and you know, I even bought his book on Fauci Write,
and I really honestly there's major portions of that book
that are extremely valuable in terms of just like these
disturbing scientific experiments that Fauci was conducting utilizing orphans and
children as just experimental test subjects, and then mass graves
of these children discovered, you know, through these very state
subsidized and yeah, it's very disturbing. And the Catholic clergy,
I believe, is it also implicated and being involved in
some of this as well, which makes sense because Kathy O'Brien,
the alleged MK Ultra Project monarch victim that came forward
many years ago, she said that she basically married her
her therapist, who she said, help like bring her back
and recover her memories of her abuse. And if you
know about like the False Memory Syndrome Foundation, they're basically
they have a scientific advisory board that's filled, it's oversaturated
with mind control operatives like doctor Lewis Jolly and West
is one of the key operatives, doctor Martin t Orren
another one. And the basically the FMSF, the False Memory
Syndrome Foundation was created by a pedophile who was accused
of raping his daughter, you know, and and and the
mom being involved as well and in the abuse and
at least, you know, somewhat in support of it. And
so then they create a foundation. Imagine that right like
being even if you were falsely accused by by you know,
your Imagine if you were falsely accused by your child
who just has psychological issues and is manufacturing this false abuse,
these false abuse allegations. I'm just trying to play like
Devil's advocate to imagine would you then go on and
found an organization that attempts to go around the world
infiltrating criminal cases and undermining the victim witness accounts by
children who are overwhelmingly sadistically abused by Yeah, it seems
like it was far more of a sinister organization created
under the guise of doing exactly that, right, attempting to
go around the country insert themselves at a level where
they claim their experts. Elizabeth Loftus is one of the
great examples of that. She goes around to make Martin
Preschool various different you know, criminal cases, and she's not
acting in good faith, right, She's just attempting to muddy
the waters and undermine the credibility of the victim work. Yep, exactly.
And and so that in itself I think proves proves
out over time that that organization was directly uh you
know created one to so clouds of doubt at least
cast clouds of doubts surrounding many of these mind control
operations I believe that have been conducted as well under
the guise of you know, various uh just religious cult organizations.
I mean, I always use the example of Congressman Congressman
le O'Ryan's aid William Holsinger, who claims that Jonestown was
one of those religious cults that would that sprouted up
directly after the Church Committee hearings when they allegedly were
providing public transparency in regard to the mind control operations
that they were conducting. But in reality, Richard Helm himself,
who was the director of the CIA at the time
when all of this alleged transparency in public you know,
disclosure was allegedly taking place during the Church Committee hearings
in the early seventies, he ordered the destruction of thousands
of MK Ultra documents and various other you know, top
secret documents of these clandestine operations. So, knowing how damning
and condemning the available evidence has been over the the
what was publicly disclosed during the the Church Committee hearings
in regard to MK Ultra, imagine what we really don't
know that was actually that will never basically probably find
out in terms of the actual documentation because they just
they destroyed it all. You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we know the tip of the Asberg, and the
tip is very disturbing, So one can imagine.
Speaker 2: Exactly and so for me, I just think that it's
it's it's far more plausible, you know that, especially when
you know I'm just talking about you know, Sirhan to
make the final note on that point there, because I
think it's interesting at the very least, what this this
document claims is that you know, allegedly it was the
woman in the polka dot dress serving as the controller
who led sir Han to fire a gun in the pantry,
and it suggests a second person shot and killed Kennedy
while using sir Han as a diversion. So it's exactly
what I sort of described earlier and the first time
he was under hypnosis. On Q, he says, this is
so crazy on Q from the girl, he went into
quote range mode, believing he was at a firing range
and seeing circles with targets in front of his eyes.
He says, quote, I thought that I was at the
range more than I was actually shooting at any person,
let alone Bobby Kennedy. Sir Han was also quoted saying
during interviews with Daniel Brown that Harvard professor who was
a specialist in trauma, memory and hypnosis, and he had
he did like a whole session where he had like
a theatrical performance sort of set up where he had
hypnotized this individual and planted instructions in his mind to
where he would be willing to once given the queue,
he would, unbeknownst to him, enter be triggered into the trance,
pull out a briefcase underneath his seat within the theater itself,
open it up, grab a gun, and stand up and
in the most calm and peaceful of ways, just start
opening fire at the individuals on stage. And he claimed
that he could successfully do this to an individual unbeknownst
to them, and so he held an experiment, and after
he successfully walked through this this, you know, as far
as like a triggering the individual and the theater who
he had told everyone at the beginning of the performance,
something will happen during the course of the performance. It
just remain calm and I need you all to understand
that you're not in danger, that sort of thing, right, So,
then this individual in the crowd is triggered throughout the
course of the performance and he goes through with it.
He pulls out the gun with the blanks and he
starts firing, you know, at the individuals on stage. Then
he calmly puts the gun back into the briefcase, puts
it back under the seat, and he just goes back
to normal, like nothing happened. And so Dan Brown then
brings him to his office like the next day or
where whenever it was, and he presents the video evidence
of what he did during the performance, and he asked
him going into it, hey do you remember, you know,
how did the performance go, like that type of thing,
and he explains, you know, it went off without without
a hitch, right, like nothing happened. He didn't remember that
taking place. And then obviously Dan Brown presents the video
evidence and and he's like shocked to his core that
he was legitimately hypnotized. And unbeknownst to him, he was
planted with this suggestionable you know, a set of instructions
that he followed to a t and uh and with
no memory of it. And so that was very interesting
because it was just kind of like a more just
it was reinforcing what everyone because the context of why
he went through that sort of experiment was to lead
or lend credibility to the Sirhan Manchurian, you know, hypnotize
the sort of alternative theory.
Speaker 1: So Nardo DiCaprio, remember that movie Inception that that's the
whole concept of that film.
Speaker 2: But I'm telling you, man, it's it is, it is,
and it gets it gets far worse than that. And
and I know we mentioned Waco earlier, and how I
didn't realize there was a basically there was a connection
to mind control at Waco that was far more than
just them utilizing the sophisticated uh, you know, mind control
methods and as as a what do they call them?
There were there was this specific technology that they were
utilizing that wasn't only just clearly the the uh psychological
warfare aspect of the the slaughtering the rabbits and the
Buddhist chanting and things of that nature, but it was
far more sinister than that. It was It was basically,
uh you know, it was a part of their resonance,
like uh frequency resonance. I forget what what exactly the
uh the advanced technique was referred to as. But but
either way, Paul Wilcher is an investigative journalist, and he's
a reporter who who was a part of uh sort
of this congressional investigation and this judiciary committee as well.
That was kind of looking into the October Surprise, uh,
when whenever George Bussior was leveraging you know against it
was sort of against Jimmy Carter, right in a certain way,
but in reality it was basically the hostage crisis that
they were negotiating behind the scenes so they could have
a political victory as the October Surprise, and it would
it would apparently in their minds, it would push them
forward and in the as far as just they would
get a sort of just public perception victory just before
the election that would help potentially, you know, like just
give them the the uh, the sort of victory you know,
in terms of just beating Jimmy Carter and taking taking
control of the presidential administration. So it was sort of
just another like covert operation where this individual who spoke
to Paul Wilcher, uh, he basically explained that that he
was a covert operative who was working for the CIA,
and that he was the pilot who who flew George
and these various uh uh you know, CIA operatives and
even like I believe it was William Colby, you know,
one of the directors of the CIA, and and far
more than that, but flew them to London to have
these negotiations with the hostage crisis and and all of this,
and then he allegedly flew George was senior back and all.
It's very strange, but still the what they claim happened
is that apparently and Paul Wilcher himself claims that he knows.
So do you know Danny Castilero and and uh, Danny
Castilero's octopus. There's there's a recent new documentary that was
published not too long ago on Netflix and and it
sort of seemed to me like a limited hanging out,
but it it's again it's a window into Iran contra.
And Danny Casileerro was very much on the case and
he followed this investigation. He was essentially like a they
called him a a tech journalist, right because he was
much more just his his beat was essentially Silicon Valley
and and the rising tech industry at the time, and
and he was very much just reporting on a lot
of the different tech you know, uh, just the various
companies that were kind of forming and creating, attempting to
create monopolies and move forward in this way. So he
was just he was reporting on these various system softwares
that were being you know, manufactured and and things of
that nature. And he found out about this scandal that
had to do with the promised software, right, and it
was essentially it was this state subsidized case management software.
But it was far more sinister than that. It was
actually this it was a system software that was then
basically it was essentially in the most underhanded way, the
government in place gained control of the software and then
tweaked it, you know, like illegally provided a back door
into this software. On the Cabazon Indian Reservation allegedly is
where this happened, and so this gave them an end
around back then then they provided this system management software
case management software. Not only was it then implemented you know,
all over the country in the US, it was then
sold to international governments, right. And so basically what it
became was this end around for intelligence operatives and the
intelligence apparatus to gain access, yes to a legitimate built
in back door that would be implemented voluntarily by the government.
And so that it had been sold to in bad
faith for that purpose specifically. And so it was very
interesting when you when you look into a lot, there's
a lot of people that went missing and end up
dead in regard to that investigation, and Danny Casilearrell is
one of them. And he essentially was being tipped off
by all these these various individuals who were clandestine operatives
and then also I think he was lured into position
and effectively they suicided him when he was about to
what he thought he was going to get. What he
claimed was he would be delivered the head of the
octopus on a platter. That was where he was heading.
And it was basically all to do with Iran Contra
and the drug smuggling operations that were being conducted to
provide financial, you know, black budget funds for you know,
these various covert operations that were not being congressionally approved clearly,
and they wanted to keep it outside of the public
record obviously, and that was another intention of utilizing I
Ran Contra for that reason. But it turns out there's
far more to Iran Contra than just drug smuggling and
arms trafficking, because I think they were dealing in uh
what they claimed there were.
Speaker 1: That's how I generated the funds exactly.
Speaker 2: They claimed there were esoteric weapons that they were testing
on the Cabazon Indian Reservation in California, and that they
were essentially using the Indians as slave labor at the time,
and uh and that it was a major covert operation
where they were flying in illegal Mexican immigrants to cook
methamphetamine on the reservation and uh, and it was far
more than just that. Uh there you know, single engine
planes just flying in. It was like the Berry Seal
mina Arkansas connection, but in California it was a it
was a nationwide uh you know, and honestly it crossed
internet national borders, but it was a nationwide drug trafficking
operation and it was far more. I think people don't
realize the domestic hubs in place that that have a
major intelligence footprint involved in facilitating the distribution throughout the country.
And that's another reason why you have so many of
these greenlit operations and in various places that seem to
resurface so often.
Speaker 1: Interrupt and family dollar. You got one on every colner.
I wouldn't be surprised if they're involved.
Speaker 2: Right, honestly, right, But but honestly, man, it's very crazy
what this guy had to say. Paul Wilcher, the investigator,
he said he knew as much as Danny Castilero, because
Danny Castillo was then murdered, obviously for for prying into this.
This sort of clandestine domestic, well not domestic, but international octopus,
its tentacles reach into the dark because clandestine corners of intelligence,
like he was realizing that this, I believe that this
is far smaller as far as the usual suspects involved.
It's a small it's a small community that can kind
of rely on each other to coexist and facilitate these operations.
And if you're ever overexposed, they will hang you out
to dry. And that's just the bottom line. And you
know that going in as a spook, you're supposed to
be a ghost, right, You're not supposed to leave a footprint,
And if you leave a traceable footprint, you will be
hung and crucified and burned at the stake for public
perception purposes, and therefore they will claim you acted alone
the sole perpetrator. Oh my gosh, it would never be
a larger network.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when in reality, high reward, but there's high risk.
And they tell you that upfront. Yeah, you can make millions,
billions of dollars and have everything you ever wanted man.
But if you screw up, you dead? What do you think?
Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 1: You want the job?
Speaker 2: Crazy? Right? Exactly? I mean there's a but there's a
flight manifest that that this covert operative provided to Paul Wilcher.
And and it's just mind boggling to me that none
of this His name was Gunter Russbacher, the covert operative
that was you know, what had happened. He had been exposed.
He was concerned about obviously being murdered. He claimed that
his his other intelligence, obviously members of intelligence that he
was working alongside of within these covert operations, were coming
up dead. And he was very concerned because he had
taken a criminal charge and was trying to he was
he was going to play along and remain quiet and
silent until other members of the organization were coming up dead,
and then he wanted to go on the record and
at the very least attempt to provide himself with some
sort of protection by revealing his role. And and so
he hits up Paul Wilcher, who again he's a part
of the like this judiciary committee, like this strange investigative
committee that was formed to investigate the October Surprise, which
was all about the hostage crisis and UH with Iran, right,
which is just it's crazy because that's been relived over time,
even recently, right as far as Iranian hostages and you
know it's and and UH or American hostages in Iran
and UH and in the current administration. It's just very
interesting how many of these methods are are replayed because
I think it they were very effective to begin with.
But but anyway, so the point being here is that
this Paul Wilcher, he says, you know, I know just
as much if not more than Danny Casilero, and and
then he's effectively found dead. It's it's crazy because his
body's moved, he's placed, he's brought to his own apartment
and placed onto the toilet, uh and and essentially like
none of the as far as it was absolutely ridiculous
to claim this was a suicide because clearly the body
had been moved from the original place of death, which
was another aspect of his death and the investigation into
his death. But again at all the convenient timing of it,
because he pens this this report called the Wilchair Report,
and he sends it to the current at the time,
the Attorney General Janet Reno, who presided over the Waco
siege and and helped cover up the Oklahoma City bombing obviously,
and uh and and the sheep dipped operatives that were
conducting that ridiculous operation, right, Like that was another It
was Gunter Strassmeyer, right, who was he He was like
entirely brought over because he had an extreme background, just
a very high level background and intelligence operations, had fought
on a he had legitimately gone and trained on a
kablitz in Israel like and and it's very strange his
connections to German intelligence and then he's brought over. His
father was an elite in the German government and and
so yeah, he was brought over by al Gore, right,
who's who's the vice president at the time. And he's
brought over directly on request by Al Gore to help
facilitate this this domestic operation that would be greenlit in
Oklahoma City, which happened to be the Alfred Alfred P.
Merle Building, which you know that federal building. Obviously it
had a had a nursery in there where a bunch
of children were murdered and and and some of the
witnesses claim to have seen undetonated charges that had been
placed on on key key points of the building, including
underneath the daycare and and so. But all these members
of the ATF are tipped off prior to it all,
you know. It's just a fascinating thing. But what they
had claimed was being housed. And I've never yet been
able to confirm this for a fact, but I've heard
so many different allegations claiming that the the whitewater investigation
was being conducted at the time. I believe it was
the name of it, and and it was investigating the Clintons. Yeah,
it was. It was all like this, This sort of
Senate subcommittee had been formed and they were investigating the
Clintons of footprint within ran Contra as he was governor
in Arkansas, and so a lot of that was being
uh investigated, records were being kept, and they were going
to have a legitimate trial, according to many different individuals
who were involved at the time. And it turns out
that all the records of that investigation had just been
moved to the Alpha P. Merle Building, that federal building,
and so they were claiming that and all the undebtonated charges.
It didn't go off as planned. They wanted to bring
that the Alpha P Murle building to the ground, you know,
and and and essentially later on it would be entirely
destroyed and and you know, buried right like we never
got to Actually, they they did that as fast as
possible to try and cover up any sort of evidence
that could be discovered at the site itself, you know,
I mean they they allegedly they just like nine to eleven,
they had crews just coming in overnight, just taking out
every single last piece of rubble, and and yeah, it
just it goes to show they didn't want any real
rigorous investigation to take place. Same thing happened with Sandy Hook.
They they what happened to that The structure of that building,
it was entirely destroyed, you know, into its own footprint
in a way, right and and uh and and therefore
we couldn't have any resolution to to uh was this
an active elementary school? How long prior to the event
taking place? You know? Why was there no parking placards
in the in the parking lot. Why you know, like
every single aspect of it seemed like it was staged.
Why was there. Uh, you know, but hey, I'm just
saying that too much of it does fit a pattern
recognition playbook. But with David care what the Paul Wilch
report claims about him, And this again was penned and
sent to Janet Reno, and she later on would claim
during one of her re election campaigns, she would threaten
the administration and she would say, if if I don't
get my reelection, then I'll blow the lid off of
what really happened at Waco, which I found to be
a very interesting threat, you know, and especially after this
because apparently David Koresh, according to Paul Wilcher's report, had
an extensive CIA background and was a sleeper who had
been subjected to extensive CIA mind control training and programming. Now,
apparently Waco was a major center for such CIA mind
control experimentation and even goes back to they say prior
to World War two or just after World War two.
It became a strategic hub for some of these experimentation operations.
So it actually Mount Carmel went back long before the
branch Davidians, you know, gained control of a part of
the property, and that this was another one of the
sort of domestic operation hubs that intelligence had been utilizing,
you know, since the war and for a lot of
the behavioral modification research applications. And apparently they say Koresh
was a sleeper and that Waco is this major center
for the mind control experimentation, but also much of this
activity occurred at the CIA's Leadership Management Institute, what was
called the LMI in Waco, and it named Salt Lake City, Utah, Provo, Utah, Logan, Utah, Boise, Idaho,
and San Francisco, California as other locations as well as
you know, in terms of the Idaho context in Utah.
These are locations that clearly involved like let's say, the
Ted Bondi case is a great example, you know, and
so to me, it just goes on to expose these
similar CIA sponsored colts, you know, that implicate the Delta
Force and being involved, especially in Mount Carmel during the
assault right on April nineteenth, the final Fiery Conclusion, and
that basically these Delta Force operatives were sent in to
kill David Koresh and six other sleepers within the Davidians
before setting the fires that burned down Mount Carmel. That
they were given an antidote to the apparently counteract the
nerve agent and the nerve tosin that had been sprayed
into the property itself at Mount Carmel to essentially leave
them paralyzed and unable to you know, flee or fight
back or at any real level. And then the Delta
Force were sent in and they committed the final executions
on the specific priority targets, and then they just set
the fires to the compound. And that makes all the
sense in the world to me, especially considering why there
was such a uh just there were international intelligence operatives
and officials who were there to like watch over what
looked as if it was just another domestic experimentation that
they were trying to see what would happen right with
this sort of controlled test group, you know, in this
specific environment, under these circumstances, How could how would this
legitimately you know, what would be the the interesting results
and consequences of of a sort of you know, it's
almost like jonestown, right. You have you have a population
under a certain set of set of circumstances that you're
deliberately trying to socially engineer and control aspects of their minds.
It's it's another.
Speaker 1: Experiment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, it's a real experiment on the ground in
real time with uh, you know, human beings as the
test subjects, unbeknownst to them, many of them, I think,
And that is why it's only six of the the
sort of operatives on you know, the that are sort
of in Koresh's inner circle in a way. Right, But yeah, anyway,
it's to me, that's fascinating, brother, you know what I mean,
it's just mind blowing how much well, yeah, and people
are unaware of the origin of Project Monarch as well,
and how much like you know it was. It was
John DeCamp who wrote the Franklin cover up, right, and
he he explained that the Monarch project was essentially you know,
it was it was far more you know, relevant than
people are aware of in terms of you know, this
sort of exploiting this traumatic abuse and and he says
that the basic idea was to use the altars of
people suffering from d i D for specific military and
intelligence purposes. But alternative personalities are sort of mainly formed
at this relatively young age and only under the most
extreme stress, so they essentially, you know, a lot of
this was disturbingly you know, kind of pursued under the
guise of various concentration camp experiments during the SS regime, obviously,
and it's very interesting. But this is what John DeCamp
has to say about the origin of Project Monarch and
how basically it was Michael Aquino who was one of
the key operatives who helped run the project. But he says,
an account of the origin of the Monarch project has
been compiled by those who have been debriefing multiple personality
disorder child victims or d ID and Nazi experimentation in
World War Two, concentration camps were said to have gone
beyond simply insane physical tortures. They brainwashed people for military
and strategic purposes. He goes on to say that after
the war, Alan Dolis and other Western intelligence people bought
they brought Nazi doctors out for use in the US,
and they created a teenage concentration camp, and apparently there
was an inmate named Greenbaum. Doctor green is later what
he would be referenced as who had participated to allegedly
save himself and would be brought to the US through
Operation paper Clip as well, and so he becomes a
high level behavioral modification operative and brainwasher, and is widely
represented in brainwashing programs with allegedly a distinctive kabalistic magic theme.
According to John DeCamp, which definitely caught my eye, and
he says the killers in the Nazi camps were themselves
trained and organized by psychiatrists and eugenesis operating from the
T four Bureau. These psychiatrists had long been the pets
of white supremacists, British and American financier networks. At least
some of these Nazi doctors were spirited out of Germany
under the supervision of for Bank of England Governor Montague
Norman and Tavistock Institute director John Reese on behalf of
the British government. He says Norman personally an insane theosophist
who had been chief of the pre war pro Nazi
faction within England, and Reese organized post war propaganda and
continuing psychological warfare activities and created Orwellian groupings within US
psychiatry and mental health fields. So yeah, to me, man,
I just think that monarch is so much more prominent
than people are aware of, right, And I just think
that it's honestly, it's something that I think people need
to really just have more of a well first understanding
of how these techniques are implemented. Right, But hey man, honestly,
I feel like I barely scratch the surface on any
of it, and I went a little skip sell on you.
So so I honestly feel if you're if you're, if
you're interested and would like to we could kind of
like pry down into more specific examples of this and
just like prioritize certain cases if you want to do
a part two or something, and we can actually reinforce
some of these these uh, you know what I believe
to be you know, very very credible, you know evidence
in terms of just making the case as far as
not only you know, I think we should be able
to cover at least a little bit of the Franklin
scandal in terms of Paul Binassi because of how often
he real just resurfaces in many of these different scandals.
And then also it'll provide us with an avenue to discuss, uh,
the induced amnesia aspect a little bit more of monarch
because again it plays perfectly into like the modern context
of what was happening in the Epstein network, and and
we could pry down a little bit because I did
want to show to you this, this these crazy uh
allegations made by Jeffrey Epstein's niece, right, and and it
would provide us with again another window into the cabbalistic
nature of of the you know, uninitiated not being willing
to engage with what potentially could be the reality here,
which is this, These are ancient philosophical practices and techniques
and ritualistic exercises that have been conducted for generations, and
and you know, I just feel like we we can
legitimately bridge that gap between uh, you know, just what
seemed to be theoretical, conspiratorial, extraordinary allegations to a legitimate
you know what what I view as just something that
is very much proven out utilizing the CORP BRNGE evidence
exactly exactly, and that that gives us a window into
I believe the true power paradigm at place.
Speaker 1: So I'd love to obviously, because I know I'm being
quiet on this episode. Any might listen to my show.
I'm usually a jabber box, but you've had me intrigued,
and this is, like I said, this is not a
rabbit hole that I've went down. So I'm trying to
soak all this in, and I know I'm kind of
a nerd. I dive into a lot of stuff. So
I'm sure a lot of the listeners are unfamiliar with this,
and I'm sure you've sparked your curiosity. To say the least.
I would love to talk with you some more and
take a deeper dive on this stuff.
Speaker 2: Thank you, buddy. That way, I won't because unfortunately, occasionally
I'll take for granted the details of you know, just
because I've been aware of certain things for you know,
I will unfortunately present things as if others are aware
of certain ass guilty A two right right over it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like everybody knows that. No, everybody's not as weird
as you justin.
Speaker 2: Right, that's how that's legitimately how I feel. So I
apologize if to the audience if it wasn't quite as
palatable as I was hoping. But I'll, I promise you
next time around, I will I'll try and make sure
that that I'm much more of a smooth transition into
certain certain topics so we can.
Speaker 1: Everybody's too rough on themselves, man, I think this was
a good discussion and the stuff that I didn't know
about it I mean not even was like, hey, now
what is that? For those that's not familiar you know,
me included. But I appreciate you time. Man. You're you're
a well researched dude, and you connect dots and that's
why we connect and get along so well and hit
it right off at bro Grove. But Man, for anybody
that missed the opening, or you know, was doing laundry
or dishes and maybe was out of the room at
the beginning of the show, just let everybody know little
information like where they find you man, your website podcast
if they want to dive into some more of your
fascinating research.
Speaker 2: Man, Thank you, man, And honestly, I have to say,
I can't thank you enough for just being willing to
have me on the show and have this conversation. But
I'll try not to. Yeah, you know, I am. I'm
very critical of myself, but at the same time, I
run my mouth a little too much. So I feel
like at a certain level I was almost you know,
it was almost kind of a filibuster in a way
at certain points. So I'll try and talk slower and
not be as ash. Yeah, but either way, I just
have to say, meeting you at bro Grove Man like
you you were such a good storyteller, like it inspired me.
I thought it was a it's just beautiful to listen
to you explain certain things and provide details of various
stories that you've experienced and have been told or or
it just like it's very important in an I think
an unmastered skill in modern time, you know, where people
aren't quite as interested in that sort of just like
I think it's such a viable tool to presenting information
and if you have the ability to kind of like
just in capture, you just capture people's attention. Because you
caught my attention, it was such an appealing way to
kind of go through describing an event that you experienced.
And anyway, I thought it was very important, and so
many people lack that ability these days, and I just
wanted to tell you that it's something that I very
much appreciate and I admire in you. So yeah, thank you,
dude for being willing to tab me on, and also
for being willing to have the conversations and be interested
in the certain things that you research that are far
more interesting to certain people who might in certain ways
be unwilling to even venture into that territory, and I
think that we have to reject that concept of like
undermined our credibility because we are presenting something that could
potentially just be a theoretical opinion or where we lie
and based on the various evidence that we've been I'm
not saying that's what you do, but I'm just saying
that people need to, uh, they need to venture into
the unknown in a way that is far more objective.
And I think you are doing that and that that
is something that it's it's just yeah, it's very unique
and I appreciate it very much, so thank you.
Speaker 1: And that's one of my things too. I tell people
I usually end the show, I tell them the difference
between the known and the unknown is the jet sauce.
Speaker 2: That is beautiful. That is beautiful. But I have to
say I did. I hit it off with you instantly
at bro Growth, So I would love to do this again.
I think, will only you know, improve in our dynamic
obviously over time and and I usually get more comfortable
with people as I go, but but I do I
have to say thank you again, and anybody who's who's
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discuss things that we find very interesting and important and
underacknowledged in certain ways and in the the sort of
just news cycle and how how how over honestly, man like,
the unprecedented level of of every I mean, the speed
right of of this current news cycle is just I mean,
we're talking there are stories that we should be prioritizing
and focusing on and they're just lost in the cycle
right in just a matter of days. And to me,
it's unnatural. It's something that you know, it definitely, I
think just as far as the human condition, we weren't
necessarily ever meant to be exactly to information at such
an extraordinary level. But anyway, yeah, I just have to say, man,
bro Grove was a dream, and thank you again, man,
And if anybody does appreciate it the Underclass podcast you
can pretty much find most of my interviews as well.
But yeah, I appreciate you, brother, Thank you again. Man.
Speaker 1: No, Man, I appreciate you. I appreciate you time. I
tell people all the time, time is last's most valuable assets.
You can get more of everything, but the one thing
you can't get more of is time, So that's life's
most valuable asset. So I appreciate you spending it with me, man,
But guys, you enjoyed that day, be sure to check
out all as you see. This dude is a well
researched wealth of knowledge and he's just an overall good dude.
One of my gifts is I have discernment. Man, I
can look at somebody, hang out with him for two
minutes and tell you what guy personally are, and Austin
is good people, So be sure and check him out
and support him. And hey, guys, just like I said earlier,
the difference between the known and the unknown. Is the
journey so good? Journey, guys,