Speaker 1: Yo, what is up? Boys? How's it going? And welcome
Speaker 1: back to another episode of the One Piece Virgin podcast,
Speaker 1: covering the end of a saga a mammoth of an arc,
Speaker 1: Marine Ford and with me Today we have the One
Speaker 1: Piece Virgin herself, Poseidon Mythols. What's up gamer?
Speaker 2: Hello? Oh boy? Do we have an arc to talk
Speaker 2: about today?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And we have Jordan joined us today.
Speaker 4: What's up? Everybody? Happy to be here?
Speaker 3: I know this is a bit of a big arc,
Speaker 3: so I took some liberties and Briggs I was able
Speaker 3: to secure a sponsorship.
Speaker 4: For this episode. So do we want to go ahead
Speaker 4: and say what that is?
Speaker 1: Or this episode is sponsored by Jordan?
Speaker 4: I got I brought donuts for everybody.
Speaker 1: No, no, I just like.
Speaker 4: It's too soon, too soon. I had the box sitting
Speaker 4: in there. I felt like I had.
Speaker 1: To so bad boiler warning, spoiler warning from so long ago.
Speaker 1: But yes, a lot of we finally get some death
Speaker 1: in this in this arc. Poseidon. General thoughts on Marine Ford.
Speaker 2: Peak definitely, in my opinion, the best arc up until
Speaker 2: this point. This was such shot a good arc. I
Speaker 2: mean I think emotionally, I think I'm more attached to
Speaker 2: like water seven and Eddie's lobby, just because I feel
Speaker 2: like that that those like that saga like really hurt me,
Speaker 2: but I don't. I still think that Marine Ford is
Speaker 2: I like, just a masterpiece. I absolutely loved it, and
Speaker 2: I'm heartbroken. I'm not gonna lie. I. I actually haven't
Speaker 2: watched much One Piece after I finished this arc because
Speaker 2: I was just emotionally suppressed to come back.
Speaker 1: I will say, I do like your I like your
Speaker 1: take that you think emotionally Water seven and his Lobby
Speaker 1: hit you harder, And it makes sense because you were
Speaker 1: following the straw Hats for a long period of time
Speaker 1: versus people like Ace white Beard Garp that like pulled
Speaker 1: those feelings from you. You didn't know as long, but
Speaker 1: you do get to kind of feel it through Loofy's reaction, right,
Speaker 1: Lufy's like kneeling next to Ace. But we'll get to
Speaker 1: that when we get to it.
Speaker 4: Nine out of ten arc needed more, Robin. I think
Speaker 4: that's usually the.
Speaker 1: It's my I think it's my favorite, my favorite arc,
Speaker 1: and the entire anime as well. It's just downhill from here, guys,
Speaker 1: we're going into the new era. The One Piece is real. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: Oh man, Oh my god, Okay, where do you want
Speaker 1: to start for Sidon?
Speaker 2: Okay, so we did start the arc did start off
Speaker 2: with a huge, huge reveal. So up until this point,
Speaker 2: we were given the information that As and Loofy are brothers.
Speaker 2: They grew up together. So in my head up until
Speaker 2: this point, I was just like, Okay, so she's also
Speaker 2: Dragon's kid. They kind of look similar, they have black hair,
Speaker 2: and I had no idea when they did reveal like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, Ace is gold d Rogers son, and I
Speaker 2: remember having to like pause the episode. I was like, wait,
Speaker 2: what what's you had the same reaction as Bonkov. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because I I I'm sure maybe most viewers also probably
Speaker 2: thought the same that oh, both of these characters are
Speaker 2: Dragon son. No, they he's an adoptive brother. And we
Speaker 2: do get to find out that when Goldie Roger was
Speaker 2: going to get executed, the Marines were going all over
Speaker 2: the place looking to see if maybe he was gonna
Speaker 2: have a kid, because there were rumors spreading around that he,
Speaker 2: you know, was with certain people. So his mom, her
Speaker 2: name is port Gusty rouge uh in A, in an
Speaker 2: attempt to save a decided to hold in his pregnancy.
Speaker 2: I think for like twenty months total, a very long time.
Speaker 2: She she held him in and as a result, when
Speaker 2: he was born, she did end up passing away. So
Speaker 2: he no longer has a father or a mother and
Speaker 2: it's just him and it's really sad. But we get
Speaker 2: to find out that when Roger was in jail ready
Speaker 2: for his execution, he was begging Garp to please take
Speaker 2: care of his son. So Garp, promising him, did raise
Speaker 2: Ace with Loofy and took care of him.
Speaker 1: So that's why the brothers not biological.
Speaker 2: Not biologically, but they did grow up together, and that
Speaker 2: was just really sad.
Speaker 1: I will say I never really fell in love with
Speaker 1: Ace as a character, but I did fall in love
Speaker 1: with white Beard. He yes the best. He's just the
Speaker 1: best dad in anime, one of the best dads. Who
Speaker 1: would have thought, you.
Speaker 2: Know, I actually feel very similarly because I think white Beard, like, okay,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie, like Ace's death did hit me
Speaker 2: very hard, but I think Whitebeard's death actually hit me
Speaker 2: a lot harder because I mean, throughout the throughout the arc,
Speaker 2: you get to see white Beard and how much he
Speaker 2: loves his sons, his crew, and how he is like
Speaker 2: a dad, like he took care of everyone. He loves
Speaker 2: them all the same, and it's you get to see
Speaker 2: that with the way he interacts, and you get like
Speaker 2: flashbacks to certain characters and how white Beard saved them
Speaker 2: from the rock bottom, and it was just, oh God,
Speaker 2: I love white Beard And it's such a shame that honestly,
Speaker 2: up until this point, we didn't really get to see
Speaker 2: him very much. We knew of him, but we didn't
Speaker 2: get to see like him until this arc, so we
Speaker 2: didn't get to spend much time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, really is. It is a testament though, like how
Speaker 1: much we were able to fall in love with white Beard,
Speaker 1: how much you grew attached to him in such a
Speaker 1: small amount of time. It was only like fifteen or
Speaker 1: twenty chapters that you really got to know him, like
Speaker 1: leading up to like this point. I don't know how
Speaker 1: many chapters Marine Ford is overall, but leading up to
Speaker 1: like I feel like when I fell in love with him,
Speaker 1: like we've only really known him for a small amount
Speaker 1: of time. Yes, I will say, though you were spoiled
Speaker 1: for Ace's death, I'm assuming because now.
Speaker 2: You're I was. What did it for me was there
Speaker 2: was someone at my locals we were talking about, Uh,
Speaker 2: from One Piece goes. We were talking about like Kasaka Zuki,
Speaker 2: the leader was banned for like over a year. Yeah
Speaker 2: in One Piece TCG and someone called him donut maker
Speaker 2: and I was like, what what do you mean donut maker?
Speaker 2: And they were like, oh, she doesn't know, and they're like, oh,
Speaker 2: don't worry about it. But then like they spoiled me,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, god, damn it.
Speaker 4: Like you guys, that feels bad.
Speaker 1: The fact that you lasted that long to not get
Speaker 1: spoiled and then got speiled in that way is really
Speaker 1: heartbreaking because you were not as shocked. But for people
Speaker 1: that were reading and watching along the way One Piece,
Speaker 1: people don't really die up until this point.
Speaker 2: No, we didn't have any major characters die.
Speaker 1: Most characters up until this point, even on the verge
Speaker 1: of death what they should be dying from. In this
Speaker 1: fictional world, they're able to survive. And if amost felt like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're gonna get away, people are gonna live and survive
Speaker 1: it like everything's always gonna work out, And then this.
Speaker 2: Ar kids, Yeah, I think correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 2: I feel like this arc was what changed One Piece
Speaker 2: just moving forward, I think that this is the huge
Speaker 2: turning point. It's the end of an era. And also,
Speaker 2: like Loofy, at most of the arcs, if not all
Speaker 2: of them, up until this point, he has won every
Speaker 2: single battle. He has been able to defeat the big
Speaker 2: bad guys. And this is the first arc where that
Speaker 2: does not happen. That perhaps maybe Lufy is not strong
Speaker 2: enough to become King of the Pirates, perhaps he's not
Speaker 2: strong enough to stand up to the world government. Like
Speaker 2: it's it's so heartbreaking.
Speaker 1: We can't even handle himself against one Pacifista. I sorry
Speaker 1: to cut you off, barely could handle one Pacifista. One
Speaker 1: Pacifista could destroy the straw Hat Crew at this at
Speaker 1: this point in Sabadi or like whatever, one strong adversary,
Speaker 1: the amount of Pacifistas at this war admirals, vice Admirals, Sengoku,
Speaker 1: Garp Mihawk, which we got to talk about so much stuff.
Speaker 1: It's just such a reality check. And throughout this saga
Speaker 1: you get reality checks from Sabadi to impel down. But
Speaker 1: this is like the final like Okay, they're small fish
Speaker 1: in a huge pond.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it really hammers it home in this arc
Speaker 3: as far as basically giving Lufy a couple retries with
Speaker 3: the Vonkove and whatnot, like energy boosts, like he gave
Speaker 3: it his all throughout a couple of art back to
Speaker 3: back to back, and it really hammered home that like
Speaker 3: effort alone is not enough at this point, right, Like
Speaker 3: you can want it as bad as you want it,
Speaker 3: but at a certain point reality sets in and uh,
Speaker 3: towards the very end of the arc, like it flashes
Speaker 3: back where you know Shanks is, you know, giving Lookie
Speaker 3: back the straw hat and he chooses not to have
Speaker 3: a reunion because it flashes back to where it says
Speaker 3: like you can give this back to me when you're
Speaker 3: a great pirate and he's like, you know, if we
Speaker 3: meet now, we'll be breaking that vow, right Like, this
Speaker 3: isn't the promised time. He's not a great pirate yet
Speaker 3: at this point.
Speaker 1: So okay, I'm gonna lift list off characters. We don't
Speaker 1: need to rush through them. But rather than going chronologically,
Speaker 1: I want to bring up a character and then you
Speaker 1: guys are going to talk about what you thought about
Speaker 1: what they did in the arc or how you felt
Speaker 1: about them in the arc. It might be an easier
Speaker 1: way because this is a mammoth and we don't have
Speaker 1: a obviously like we can't spend two hours here. Crocodile,
Speaker 1: any any any idea that ideas on him from the god.
Speaker 2: I love that man, still one of my favorite villains
Speaker 2: up in.
Speaker 4: The three letters for him, all right, MVP, it's.
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean that's Buggy, that's mister three and Buggy.
Speaker 1: But yes, I will.
Speaker 3: Say the very first time they they say to go
Speaker 3: ahead and execute ah though, because they rushed up the schedule.
Speaker 3: Whose sand was it that took out your guards that
Speaker 3: were about to swing down the axe?
Speaker 4: Right like it? It was Crocky boy as they were
Speaker 4: about to escape.
Speaker 3: And uh, you know post donut, post donut, how did
Speaker 3: Jim Bay and uh and Loofy get out of there?
Speaker 3: Crocodile send him flying over over to Buggy right so.
Speaker 1: And who woke up Whitebeard after he was unconscious? Crocodile
Speaker 1: joining their side and being like, come on, old man,
Speaker 1: I wasn't beaten by such a fucking weekling or something
Speaker 1: like that, and Whitebeard gets up and rejoins the fight.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, one of the most unexpected alliances that
Speaker 3: had a smoker just in shock.
Speaker 2: But yes, yeah, I think a lot of them were
Speaker 2: like what like he's helping them out because I think
Speaker 2: everybody at this point knew that Loofy was the reason
Speaker 2: why he's no longer a warlord, Like everybody knows that
Speaker 2: Loofy defeated him back in Alabasta. And I'm sure I
Speaker 2: was also really shocked at like how cooperative he was
Speaker 2: and how willing he was to help, because initially he
Speaker 2: went to Marine for to have at it with white Beard, right,
Speaker 2: but as the arc kind of went on, he kind
Speaker 2: of switched sides and was like, no, we're we're gonna
Speaker 2: get as out of here, all.
Speaker 1: Right, Let's move on to Garp. I want to hear
Speaker 1: your thoughts on Garp in this art.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, he's such a You get to see
Speaker 2: him throughout this arc kind of go having very conflicting feelings. Right,
Speaker 2: he has to, you know, do his job as a
Speaker 2: vice admiral to me make sure that this execution goes
Speaker 2: without a hitch. But I mean, Aces is his grandson,
Speaker 2: Like maybe not biologically, but he helped raise Ace, so
Speaker 2: you see a lot of his conflicting feelings. Like throughout
Speaker 2: this art, you get like scenes and shots where you
Speaker 2: know they're about to execute him and he's like closing
Speaker 2: his eyes and just like battling with like his feelings.
Speaker 2: And there was a fight between Garb and Loofy, and
Speaker 2: Loofy absolutely punched the shit out of him. But I
Speaker 2: also feel that Garp was probably holding back a little.
Speaker 1: Too, couldn't him. He couldn't bring himself to do it.
Speaker 1: I promise you at this point in the story, Garp
Speaker 1: would destroy Loofy in every possible way, Like Garb is stronger,
Speaker 1: but he's just unable to hit his grandson.
Speaker 2: He can't do it.
Speaker 1: But it's crazy though that he was sitting there and
Speaker 1: standing between Ace and Loofy, the one per like like
Speaker 1: his two grandsons, one about to be executed, one being
Speaker 1: attacked by pirates, and him still try to fulfill his
Speaker 1: like his duty as a marine, Like you could see
Speaker 1: it in his eyes. And I don't know, it's a
Speaker 1: small thing that I really really appreciated with this arc.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you get to see he feels like I
Speaker 2: feel like he felt a lot of shame too, because
Speaker 2: now the government knows that Garth was the reason why
Speaker 2: Ace was alive in the first place. Like if it
Speaker 2: wasn't for Garth taking care of Ace, who knows what
Speaker 2: would have happened to him, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So yeah, he had a lot of that disappointed
Speaker 3: dad energy as far as like why didn't you boys
Speaker 3: listen to me? Now this is what's happening. But he
Speaker 3: was just emotionally devastated to it, to the point where
Speaker 3: immediately after Lufy punched him and stuff like, he's kind
Speaker 3: of obviously like, so you chose your family over you know,
Speaker 3: your duties as a marine, which makes sense, but it's
Speaker 3: just one of those conflicts that were was internal and
Speaker 3: not really clear probably up until that point on which
Speaker 3: way it would go.
Speaker 2: Right. So also I felt like, oh, go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 1: I just want to say there's a moment after Ace
Speaker 1: gets killed where Garp looks at Sengoku and says, hold
Speaker 1: me down or I'll kill him.
Speaker 2: I was actually gonna mention.
Speaker 1: That people got mad at me. I I genuinely think
Speaker 1: it'd be a close fight. I still think it'd be
Speaker 1: a close fight between gar I am. I am the
Speaker 1: biggest GARB Blazer of all time, saying like Loki, obviously
Speaker 1: he's like older, so he's not gonna bee as strong
Speaker 1: as as he was in his prime. But I am
Speaker 1: the biggest GARB Blazer, he's like entering up to me,
Speaker 1: you know. And now the goat.
Speaker 4: He's something, he's something.
Speaker 1: I mean at this point of the story, you obviously
Speaker 1: like you just you don't really know gar that much.
Speaker 1: You just got to meet him, and again you like,
Speaker 1: I feel like od did such a good job in
Speaker 1: an arc with like fresh characters making you fall in
Speaker 1: love with him and care for them. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: do think I probably Goku is stronger because he's younger,
Speaker 1: but I think pri Sengku. I'm like, god man, Kayu, Yeah,
Speaker 1: my bad, I've been saying Sengku both times. I was
Speaker 1: saying Sengku is the one who donutted, right, yes, my bad,
Speaker 1: I was saying versus Garb and I still think would
Speaker 1: have put up a fight even in his old age.
Speaker 4: Yeahky is the one that, uh that donuted.
Speaker 1: Yes, I don't know why I kept I'm saying donut
Speaker 1: maker misspoke my bad.
Speaker 4: Guys, Oh good, oh good. I'm just making sure.
Speaker 1: But that's why I was saying that such a laser
Speaker 1: because like obviously.
Speaker 3: Like the admiral like, yeah, and there's a lot of
Speaker 3: the the admirals fighting this arc, right, like initially they
Speaker 3: seem like they're kind of evenly matched against uh white
Speaker 3: Beard's division commanders and whatnot, But we see by the
Speaker 3: end that the only one that really held his own
Speaker 3: against one was uh was white Beard himself, right, So.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the admirals were were huge.
Speaker 3: It's like we had so many, so many big bads
Speaker 3: from previous arcs were involved in this war, and they
Speaker 3: were not the biggest players by far right, So that's true.
Speaker 1: What about Mehawk, how do you guys feel about Me Hawk?
Speaker 1: You got to see him a little bit.
Speaker 2: Do you. My favorite scene with me Hawk is actually
Speaker 2: at the end, which is like when Shanks comes in
Speaker 2: and Me Hawk's like, you know what, I'm not I'm done.
Speaker 2: We're not fighting anymore. We're not crocodile Meehawks just sees
Speaker 2: Shanks and it's like, nope, I'm good, I'm leaving.
Speaker 3: I agreed to fight white Beard. He didn't agree to this.
Speaker 3: We have earlier in the show of them drinking together
Speaker 3: and being buddies, right, so it's like that, Yeah, he's like,
Speaker 3: I don't want that problem.
Speaker 4: I know what Shanks is capable of.
Speaker 2: So yes, I think this is the first arc we
Speaker 2: actually get to see me Hawk actually like put up
Speaker 2: a fight because I mean, his fight against Zorro was
Speaker 2: ended pretty quick.
Speaker 3: He is is that swordsman that is the greatest in
Speaker 3: the world at heart, right, So we see him kind
Speaker 3: of kick off all the action in this arc with
Speaker 3: a basically throwing a slash at white Beard.
Speaker 4: Himself, just wanting to test himself.
Speaker 3: And then we see him fight against the Loufi fight
Speaker 3: against Crocodile, like he was one of the one, one
Speaker 3: of the few should cheep chi cheap o guy that
Speaker 3: really wanted to get involved in this arc, right, whereas
Speaker 3: others were, you know, kind of there. They're kind of participating,
Speaker 3: but they're like, we're just more so because we kind
Speaker 3: of have to be right, whereas I don't know, he
Speaker 3: kind of jumped into the mix a little bit quicker, I.
Speaker 1: Will say, though he jumps in quick, but it just
Speaker 1: feels like he doesn't try and I don't like I
Speaker 1: wanted more from him on this arc. And I get it.
Speaker 1: He's still like a pirate. He's still like an in
Speaker 1: between between white Beard and thing. And obviously he sided
Speaker 1: himself more with the Marines because he was backing the
Speaker 1: Marines in this case. But I feel like he's just
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna help a little bit.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh it makes sense too though, because I mean we
Speaker 3: had a couple of cool moments like like that slash
Speaker 3: or like slashing the entire iceberg. But the seven warlords
Speaker 3: in this arc are kind of like in a in
Speaker 3: a typical battle, what like mercenaries would be right like,
Speaker 3: they're there, but they don't really have like a steak
Speaker 3: in the the whole thing. They're there because they're they
Speaker 3: have to be for you know, uh, for their end
Speaker 3: of the bargain to be.
Speaker 4: Filled as well. Yes, whereas like the.
Speaker 3: Pirates there, they're they're there fighting to the death trying
Speaker 3: to save their their boy and the Marines. You know,
Speaker 3: this is like the big battle, you know, regardless of
Speaker 3: who wins, this is deciding the era right here, right
Speaker 3: like this.
Speaker 1: Is I think you're absolutely right in regards to it
Speaker 1: makes sense like he's forced to be there. He doesn't
Speaker 1: really want to do what he's doing, probably, but he's
Speaker 1: forced to be there. So he's like, I'm going to
Speaker 1: put in enough effort to get the paycheck, you know,
Speaker 1: to keep the role right, but he's not going to
Speaker 1: do enough to really change the tides, which I feel
Speaker 1: like he was probably very He's probably very capable of
Speaker 1: doing stuff that could change the the outcome or like
Speaker 1: largely affect the outcome if he actually tried, right, And
Speaker 1: we see that from.
Speaker 3: A lot of the Seven Warlords, right, you know, Boa
Speaker 3: doing the.
Speaker 4: Stuff for Whitebeard's side, probably more so than not.
Speaker 1: But she gets away with it because she's beautiful, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that we could talk about next thoughts on Bulla
Speaker 1: and this arc Poseidon.
Speaker 2: She she was comedic relief because you do get to
Speaker 2: see her. I mean, she's a warlord, but I mean
Speaker 2: she kept her eyes on Loofy and made sure that
Speaker 2: Loufy was able to get out of certain fights unscathed.
Speaker 2: Particularly one of my favorite ones was when Smoker was
Speaker 2: having at it with Loofy. And if you didn't like,
Speaker 2: we like, how do I see this Smoker? I forgot?
Speaker 2: Is he a logiah?
Speaker 1: Fruit?
Speaker 2: Is he? Is he a logia?
Speaker 3: I can't remember his whole body into into smoking? Yeah,
Speaker 3: so they can turn their whole body like into the
Speaker 3: element of the thing, then that's when they're a logias.
Speaker 2: Okay, I keep forgetting, like which is which? But typically
Speaker 2: most people, if they try to like fight Smoker, their
Speaker 2: their hand or foot or whatever. We'll just kind of
Speaker 2: go right through him. But poa poa like legitimately like
Speaker 2: did some damage to him. And you get to see
Speaker 2: the shock on Tashigi's face and it's like, wait, you
Speaker 2: can't do that, Like he's a Lujah she is. And
Speaker 2: you even get to like hear Smoker go her hockey
Speaker 2: is so like strong, so BoA's love for Lufy is
Speaker 2: is insane. You get to see like a little flash
Speaker 2: but like a little de Lulu, like not flashbacks, but
Speaker 2: like her he her like the Lulu going off to
Speaker 2: She's like, I'm gonna marry Lufy. We're gonna live together forever.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna cook for him, I'm gonna clean, and it's
Speaker 2: like so funny.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Bora is definitely worthy of her role because
Speaker 1: not only does she have like a crazy devil fruit,
Speaker 1: not only does like people turn the stone just by
Speaker 1: looking at her attractiveness, but she also has like a
Speaker 1: good control over hockey, able to fight someone like Smoker
Speaker 1: like She's actually like like a lot stronger than I
Speaker 1: think we would realize that first glass glance, Like, I
Speaker 1: think Bora is quite a bit stronger than Lufy at
Speaker 1: this point in the game.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's a She's one of the seven warlords for
Speaker 3: a reason, right, So but yeah, they do play her
Speaker 3: role pretty comedic here in this arc as far as
Speaker 3: uh all the just the unexpectedness of her knowing loofy,
Speaker 3: all the soldiers reacting like did he just take her
Speaker 3: down with like a like a bear hugg did he
Speaker 3: just like what's going on?
Speaker 4: Are you going? He hugged me? You know? Is this
Speaker 4: what marriage feels like?
Speaker 3: So so yeah, they played it off a little bit comedic,
Speaker 3: but she had her big moments, like especially towards the end,
Speaker 3: like basically being the reason he was able to get
Speaker 3: past all the Pacifista right, which is, as we've seen,
Speaker 3: he can't take those out at this moment. But she
Speaker 3: she kind of does that work for for him, because
Speaker 3: she's listed as an ally.
Speaker 4: Under their their white list. I guess you'd call it, right.
Speaker 1: So okay, let's talk about do Flamingo another Shuji Bukai.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, he he did some emotional damage, cut
Speaker 2: his legs off, her foot or whatever he did with
Speaker 2: string fruit. I was like, this is this is one
Speaker 2: bitch ass motherfuck No, he's he's strong, he is. He
Speaker 2: is incredibly strong. Uh, he's quite the interesting character to
Speaker 2: me too. He's kind of I don't know how to
Speaker 2: say it, but he's kind of there's.
Speaker 1: A few he's like chaotic. He's like chaotic evil or
Speaker 1: chaotic chaotic. It feels like where he was just down
Speaker 1: for like he didn't even care what which side won.
Speaker 1: He just like, yeah, more reveals he felt like a fan.
Speaker 4: He's like he was having with it.
Speaker 1: He was having funny like keep going like like like
Speaker 1: the more the more crazy this gets, the better the
Speaker 1: more fun it is for me. And like he does
Speaker 1: have one line. I don't know if you remember the
Speaker 1: quote Poseidon.
Speaker 2: I think I do, because there's a card I play
Speaker 2: in all my green decks. It's because the side of
Speaker 2: justice right will be whichever side that wins exactly kind
Speaker 2: of like that, Yeah, that's he wasn't necessarily like rooting
Speaker 2: or rooting for one side versus the other. He's just like, well,
Speaker 2: whoever wins is that that's justice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they're the ones who paint history, and there's
Speaker 1: definitely something true about that even with with our world
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it makes me think back a little bit too,
Speaker 2: back in Stoboudi where he had that conversation with the
Speaker 2: auction house dude, like and he's just like, you guys
Speaker 2: are on your own right now, entering like a new era,
Speaker 2: right which I think he was also kind of hinting
Speaker 2: out as well throughout this arc that we're whatever is
Speaker 2: happening in Marine for Now is going to dictate how
Speaker 2: the rest of history is going to like pan out.
Speaker 3: Dop Flamingo is definitely one of those that's kind of
Speaker 3: looking at the bigger picture and yeah and seeing things
Speaker 3: kind of as they play out, looking very forward looking
Speaker 3: with it, right and uh, but he's also just very
Speaker 3: entertained by the whole thing as far as my favorite
Speaker 3: moment of his probably in this art, because it's just
Speaker 3: his reaction when Blackbeard and stuff shows up, right, like he's.
Speaker 2: Having the most that's the whole thing at.
Speaker 4: Some point, Doffy's reaction to it.
Speaker 1: All Right, Yeah, let's talk about Buggy super quick, my goat,
Speaker 1: one of my favorite characters in All A one piece.
Speaker 2: He him and mister mister three and his their little
Speaker 2: goons or whatever. They they were definitely other comedic relief
Speaker 2: throughout this art. I mean, they were trying to leave.
Speaker 2: They were just like, I'm out of here. You don't
Speaker 2: want to be a part of this. But they just
Speaker 2: somehow kept getting wrapped up and like whatever shenanigans or
Speaker 2: came a point where the transponder snail they like kidnapped
Speaker 2: one of them and they were they were broadcasting like
Speaker 2: whatever was happening. But they were just being silly on
Speaker 2: the camera.
Speaker 1: They were trying to make a dog. They're like, this
Speaker 1: is the story of the man who was on the
Speaker 1: crew with the pirate King, and like he gets so
Speaker 1: notorious because of all this shit. It's hilarious.
Speaker 3: I don't even know what you guys are talking about.
Speaker 3: Comed Relieve, what do you what do you mean? This
Speaker 3: is We see him kind of go back and forth
Speaker 3: with with white Beard as equals there towards the start
Speaker 3: of the arc, and then they're the ones that keep
Speaker 3: the press and like the the camera's going as the
Speaker 3: government tries to shut everybody in the dark, right, which yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know, buggies. Then he carries Loofy out.
Speaker 1: At the end, he does he does oh, speaking of
Speaker 1: standing up to white Beard, Loofy stands up to white
Speaker 1: Beard in a pretty great way. Thoughts on that guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, not quite as good as Buggies, but
Speaker 3: like it was got the crowd going.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, Loofy was not scared of him either. He was
Speaker 2: just like, you know, we're gonna do this, and you know,
Speaker 2: you get to see white Beard also see how much
Speaker 2: heart Loofy has and he's telling I believe he told
Speaker 2: Marco like, no matter what happens, you have to make
Speaker 2: sure this this man or boy doesn't die. So yeah,
Speaker 2: if white Beard put a lot of trust into Loofy
Speaker 2: to make sure that Ace was able to escape.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Lufy had a lot of a lot
Speaker 3: of people kind of watching his back over the course
Speaker 3: of this arc, which plays into the whole Uh you
Speaker 3: know how probably under leveled he was for this particular saga,
Speaker 3: but uh, you know, a big reason for that was
Speaker 3: the impression he made.
Speaker 4: Right. So I said in interviews prior that Lufy's very.
Speaker 3: Much a man of action. Yes, there's a reason, like
Speaker 3: it's very intentional that he never really has internal dialogue,
Speaker 3: that there's only a couple of segments I think ever
Speaker 3: in the story where he does and everything he kind
Speaker 3: of thinks he says out loud, right, And because of that, yes,
Speaker 3: makes good impressions on people like white Beard, like he's
Speaker 3: just very uh I don't know, charismatic in that way
Speaker 3: where he's very trustworthy and uh yeah, they.
Speaker 4: Kind of let him lead the charge, right, So yeah,
Speaker 4: something you said about that.
Speaker 1: So, as you mentioned before, Jordan, Ace is a belt
Speaker 1: to be killed quite a few times in this art,
Speaker 1: they keep on teasing the execution a belt to happen.
Speaker 1: Crocodile save the day one time, mister three you mentioned
Speaker 1: with comedic relief, the MVP brings that what's it called,
Speaker 1: like the wax fruits to turn into a key to
Speaker 1: unlock Ace the goat. But there's also a moment where
Speaker 1: Loofy saves Ace's life with a blast of conquerors. Hockey
Speaker 1: thoughts on that.
Speaker 2: Yes, where he tells everybody to stop. This was when
Speaker 2: he was on the bridge, right when Ino Zoomam used
Speaker 2: the fruit to make a bridge, if I'm remembering correctly.
Speaker 1: I just remember that Age was about to be executed
Speaker 1: and he was surrounded by pirates.
Speaker 2: And yeah, and everybody was in shock. Most of the
Speaker 2: marines kind of fell to the ground and they were
Speaker 2: just and the people who were able to withstand the
Speaker 2: Conqueror's hockey were just like, holy shit, this kid has it.
Speaker 2: He has it the one in one million like type
Speaker 2: of hockey. Like not it's not one of those hockeys
Speaker 2: that you you can learn. It's one of those ones.
Speaker 2: If I'm remembering correctly, you have to be boring.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you have it or also super random. I
Speaker 1: sent this to you, Jordan, but rewatching this arc, which
Speaker 1: is what I did at I work a side job.
Speaker 1: What I did at work today is I watched this.
Speaker 1: I sent to you a screenshot. I gotta find it though,
Speaker 1: I said the panel that yeah, yeah, me Hawks says
Speaker 1: to Loofy or says or thinks or thinks out aloud whatever. Sorry,
Speaker 1: Red Haired, but this power knows no restraint. Now, Fate,
Speaker 1: how will you deal with this heaven sent boy? Will
Speaker 1: his life end here? Or will he escape this black blade?
Speaker 1: Me talk about the fight Loofy. It just in reread
Speaker 1: rewatching this is something I appreciated. I don't want to
Speaker 1: get into it too much, Jordan.
Speaker 3: It's just something yeah, yeah, No, it's definitely Loofy kind
Speaker 3: of survived by the skin of his teeth in this arc, right,
Speaker 3: like he definitely could have gone out at multiple points
Speaker 3: that was one of the starting ones, and uh yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know, it was one of those arcs that
Speaker 3: rereading it, there was a lot of thought put into
Speaker 3: how everything kind of played out. I know we're not
Speaker 3: covering it chronologically, but just as far.
Speaker 4: As tactics and stuff go, because one of the first
Speaker 4: things Lufy says to white Beard is, hey, we just
Speaker 4: heard on the radio.
Speaker 3: You know, they're they're bumping up the execution, right, And
Speaker 3: that was kind of a fake out, trying to get
Speaker 3: them to rush in quick. And uh so, yeah, there's
Speaker 3: a lot of different ways that Lufy's personality kind of
Speaker 3: played into that as far as like them cutting it
Speaker 3: down to one way, but he still ran in any
Speaker 3: ways knowing it's a trap, whereas a lot of other
Speaker 3: people hesitate. So uh yeah, I mean Lufy is very
Speaker 3: determined in this art, but and that played a way
Speaker 3: of kind of getting through all those other mind games
Speaker 3: everybody else was playing.
Speaker 4: So yeah, sorry, sorry that bit.
Speaker 1: Of a no I appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 1: Okay, we talked about we said Buggy, we talked about
Speaker 1: Mister Three, we talked about Okay, why don't we actually
Speaker 1: take a second to talk about white Beard. Maybe we
Speaker 1: did obviously talk about him a bunch, he said, cha,
Speaker 1: he's a great dad. But deciding if you want to
Speaker 1: go a little bit deeper on what you thought about
Speaker 1: a thought about white Beard, he.
Speaker 2: I was shocked that his I mean, it wasn't just
Speaker 2: his crew. I guess he has like not side crews,
Speaker 2: but like pirate crews that are allied allied with him.
Speaker 2: It was I was shocked at how many people he
Speaker 2: brought over to to Marine Ford. And that just goes
Speaker 2: to show how much these other people love Whitebeard and
Speaker 2: how well he takes care of his children. But it
Speaker 2: kind of hurt, just like seeing throughout this arc, and
Speaker 2: it was mentioned pretty in a few places that you know,
Speaker 2: white Beard's no longer at his peak, He's not as
Speaker 2: strong as he used to be. And you get to
Speaker 2: see him like he's still incredibly strong, right, but you
Speaker 2: you kind of know as if you were like, is
Speaker 2: he gonna make this out of this alive? Is he
Speaker 2: gonna be you know, able to to fight like the
Speaker 2: admirals and stuff. And you see him struggle too, I
Speaker 2: mean one of his uh, one of his crew actually
Speaker 2: ends up stabbing him yep during this.
Speaker 1: Arc and fuck that dude. You know what White them.
Speaker 3: I actually feel bad for the dude because I said,
Speaker 3: everybody else was playing mind games, right, and I knew
Speaker 3: that uh gold Roger was responsible for killing Squaltz Crew, right,
Speaker 3: and he had this grudge against gold Roger. And you know,
Speaker 3: the Marines came out with this propaganda this uh they
Speaker 3: were saying at the very start that uh, you know,
Speaker 3: not only uh is white Beard trying to make Ace
Speaker 3: the next king of the Pirates, right, He's trying to
Speaker 3: put him up, but he's willing.
Speaker 4: To sacrifice everybody else to do so. Right.
Speaker 3: There was an agreement and the Marines only attacked his
Speaker 3: allied crews and not white Beard's crew itself, just to
Speaker 3: make it, just to play into that and make it
Speaker 3: seem like, uh, like they really were being betrayed, right,
Speaker 3: So he played.
Speaker 4: On that doubt.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think they executed it quite well, especially
Speaker 1: like Squald really hates Goldie Roger. Meanwhile, he didn't know
Speaker 1: that Ace was his son, right, right, So that adds
Speaker 1: even more fuel to the fire. And then it just
Speaker 1: seems like, yeah, trying to trying to prop up Ace.
Speaker 1: It makes sense, and it's even even it's so sad
Speaker 1: when he when he stabs him, but like him Whitebeard
Speaker 1: forgiving him so easily. It's such a beautiful moment.
Speaker 3: It's because white Beard kind of sees the reality of
Speaker 3: the situation, right, he sees it's not a real betrayal,
Speaker 3: he's just misled. And then, uh, like the reality of
Speaker 3: the situation is like in the flashback when Ace you know,
Speaker 3: tells white Beard who his dad is, Like white Beard
Speaker 3: doesn't really care, right, Like he says that's not important,
Speaker 3: Like you can't blame a son for the sins of
Speaker 3: his father. So so it plays into whole white Beard's
Speaker 3: personality a lot there as far as what kind of
Speaker 3: man he is, right, what he really cares about, what
Speaker 3: his values are?
Speaker 1: Talk about Blackbeard now, but I.
Speaker 3: Get sorry, I don't want to send on soapbox too long.
Speaker 3: But like, all we're talking about white Beard, can we
Speaker 3: talk about the way he went out?
Speaker 2: Like, oh, yeah, absolutely, it was such he he died
Speaker 2: standing up.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like half his face is gone, like okay,
Speaker 5: in the anime, his faces as fucked up as in
Speaker 5: the manga, which really yeah, two hundred and sixty seven
Speaker 5: Sword Wounds, one hundred and fifty two bullets forty six
Speaker 5: cannon blasts, but not one shot.
Speaker 3: In the back, right, not it was all in the front.
Speaker 3: He had not no coward wounds whatsoever. Right, the tattoo
Speaker 3: on his back was still as untouched as ever, So
Speaker 3: I don't know, he went out standing, right, So so yeah, sorry,
Speaker 3: it's manga a little bit more. Even those were the stats, right.
Speaker 1: Even in the anime they read the stats off the yeah,
Speaker 1: not the commentator. What the fuck is the word the narrator.
Speaker 4: The narrator reads it off.
Speaker 1: And it gave me absolute chills.
Speaker 3: So I guess Eddie like thoughts on that specifically. I
Speaker 3: know you said his death got to you, probably more
Speaker 3: than than Aces. I don't know if that was a
Speaker 3: shock value or just unexpected, or if I had anything
Speaker 3: to do with like how it happened or what.
Speaker 1: For me, it just felt like I was able to
Speaker 1: care for for white Beard more than Ace. Ace made
Speaker 1: me sad because of Lufy's reaction, But white Beard's death
Speaker 1: made me sad because it's like all those kids lost
Speaker 1: a father, all those all those not kids, they're not kids,
Speaker 1: but like all those that family lost to dad, and
Speaker 1: he just just actually like he was the biggest Chad
Speaker 1: the biggest monster. What a badass, What a great character,
Speaker 1: but like just actually a good family man like that.
Speaker 3: And there's something to be said about his character just
Speaker 3: through how others treat him, right, Yeah, he had that
Speaker 3: protagonist energy and that uh after you know, people think
Speaker 3: he gets betrayed, like he uh he forgets Squald. He
Speaker 3: jumps down to face the Marines himself and kind of
Speaker 3: joins the battle, and you know, he well, well they
Speaker 3: acted like the uh they were only targeting his allied
Speaker 3: uh pirates and whatnot, and they weren't targeting his crew.
Speaker 3: He destroys the wall of ice to where there's an
Speaker 3: open sea there, and he's like anybody that wants to
Speaker 3: go go, like, g if you fight with me, you
Speaker 3: might very well die, right Like, so yeah, he leads
Speaker 3: the charge and like everybody stays.
Speaker 4: Nobody nobody leads, right.
Speaker 1: So it also speaks volumes to Sengoku's plan because one
Speaker 1: of my things was like, why are they executing a
Speaker 1: so publicly? And it was all I feel, it's just
Speaker 1: all one big trap right with and up until this point,
Speaker 1: they didn't have the pacifist to Pacifistas either, so like
Speaker 1: unleashing that army tracking them in, knowing that everyone was
Speaker 1: gonna come and support white Beard. White Bear was gonna
Speaker 1: come to try to save Ace. It was just all
Speaker 1: one big trap. White Beard already knew and walked into
Speaker 1: it too, like it's it was just it's it's so
Speaker 1: much better upon rewatchers picking up these little things.
Speaker 3: That was the very start of the mind game too, right,
Speaker 3: Like white Beard kind of saw through it and started
Speaker 3: attacking the ships on the side. But like as soon
Speaker 3: as they entered the place, they were gonna surround with
Speaker 3: battleships and uh, basically just encircle everybody, right, so make
Speaker 3: sure there was no escape route. But uh, but yeah,
Speaker 3: white Beard, what a what a chad one of the
Speaker 3: one of the biggest in anime.
Speaker 1: And he ends broke my heart.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: He also ended off with a bang by saying like
Speaker 1: the One Piece is real, just discontinuing the era, like
Speaker 1: letting it continue on. Yeah, he like.
Speaker 3: Fights until the death, telling everybody else to run, like
Speaker 3: he says, this is where I die. And then uh,
Speaker 3: then he has the big epic speech of like you
Speaker 3: know what, yeah, what the uh the one Piece means
Speaker 3: how it's gonna carry on and that it that it
Speaker 3: is real, right, so it inspires a whole other generation.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it made me so sad, Like at the
Speaker 2: end where everybody is now, like when they got Ace,
Speaker 2: right where everybody's heading out, like you see white Beard
Speaker 2: he's trying to fight everyone off, and like all his
Speaker 2: crew's just like come on, like come with the come on,
Speaker 2: we got him already, you need to go. And he's like, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: I'll stay here.
Speaker 1: I'm a post off at a leave Ace, leave, just
Speaker 1: fucking leave. Not rage baiting, buddy, literally got rage baited.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh speaking of it.
Speaker 4: But I was gonna say, speaking of the New Era,
Speaker 4: who proclaimed it their era? I know you were wanting to.
Speaker 3: Talk about him a little bit earlier, but I didn't
Speaker 3: want to cut you off too much.
Speaker 2: Wait which one? I'm sorry, please remind me.
Speaker 3: So yeah, white Beard said it was you know, the
Speaker 3: everybody's saying this era was was white Beard, and the
Speaker 3: new era it was black Beard. He was like, this
Speaker 3: is the black Beard era, right like he uh, he
Speaker 3: proclaimed that after he took white Beard's power.
Speaker 4: He's like, this new new era is going to be mine.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean the world, I mean, I guess
Speaker 2: we can I don't know if you want to just
Speaker 2: segue into like just talking about black Beard, because that's
Speaker 2: a whole other let's.
Speaker 1: Talk about it. Let's do it.
Speaker 4: Yeah we can, I just know earlier jump around.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So we do find he comes in at the
Speaker 2: end of this arc. So he he was pretty absent
Speaker 2: pretty much throughout the entirety of his arc up until
Speaker 2: like the line like a few episodes, but we do
Speaker 2: find out why he actually broke into Impel Down, and
Speaker 2: he broke into Impel Down to break out some of
Speaker 2: the most dangerous criminals that the world has ever seen,
Speaker 2: and he brings all of them over into Marine Ford.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if this was confirmed, but at
Speaker 2: least this is like what I think would happen. He
Speaker 2: was waiting for this to almost end, to be able
Speaker 2: to make his entrance and to be able to do
Speaker 2: what he did, and like the biggest shock that happened.
Speaker 2: One of the biggest shocks was that he was able
Speaker 2: to take Whitebeard's devil fruit, which was absolutely unheard of
Speaker 2: in this world up until this point because everybody had
Speaker 2: this kind of info, right, like you can only have
Speaker 2: one devil fruit. If you eat a second one, you
Speaker 2: will die. So once he eats his double he now
Speaker 2: has what the power of the seaquakes as well as
Speaker 2: the dark fruit. He up until it's by everybody's like
Speaker 2: he might be as well, might as well be like
Speaker 2: the most powerful character in this in this world right now, nobody? Yeah,
Speaker 2: he has two really really strong devil fruits, and you
Speaker 2: see the absolute shock that everybody is like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: like we don't want to fight him.
Speaker 4: Any theories on.
Speaker 2: How I don't know. I just remember I think it
Speaker 2: was Lafitte and who put like a like a caper
Speaker 2: a blanket over over white Beard, and then black Beer
Speaker 2: goes under the blanket. A few minutes later he comes
Speaker 2: out with his devil fruit so completely unscathed.
Speaker 1: I guess the reason why they covered him up is
Speaker 1: because Blackbird doesn't want people to see how he's able
Speaker 1: to do what he did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because if they if people know how to do it,
Speaker 2: then the entire world would just go into shambles. Right.
Speaker 2: He wants to be one of the only ones who
Speaker 2: knows how to do this.
Speaker 1: I think at the time, what's your theory, Jordan, And.
Speaker 3: It's one that I think somebody said kind of during
Speaker 3: the arc, right, my theory is that he's just built different.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean a lot of people theorized that
Speaker 1: had to do with the devil fruit. Theorized that had
Speaker 1: to do with a knife on his on his like
Speaker 1: waist or something. But like that he was able to
Speaker 1: get a second power without like suffering the the causes
Speaker 1: of having two devil fruits or whatever. There's there's multiple
Speaker 1: personality theories where he's more than one person. There's so
Speaker 1: many things up until this point that people theorized at
Speaker 1: this point in the game. I would just keep them
Speaker 1: all in the back of your head.
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, yeah, I mean, I don't know, man,
Speaker 2: I'm scared of this man.
Speaker 3: It could really be anything, though, because the thing about
Speaker 3: black Beard is, well you said, everybody's kind of scared
Speaker 3: of him because of how powerful two fruits would be,
Speaker 3: and one of them being you know, white Beards who
Speaker 3: just controlled the seas prior to that. Yeah, he's very
Speaker 3: much a plotter and a and a schemer more than anything, right, Like, yes,
Speaker 3: he's a rat, he's a snake. He betrayed white Beard,
Speaker 3: but then he became a one of the seven warlords
Speaker 3: in order to betray them to get in the whistle
Speaker 3: down and get those people out and then uh, it
Speaker 3: was somebody on his crew that opened the gates for
Speaker 3: Loofy and them to go into to Marine Ferd. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: so it that, you know, they kind of just adding
Speaker 3: to the chaos until their time to show up.
Speaker 1: So I have a theory.
Speaker 4: One of the biggest schemers in anime.
Speaker 1: One of the biggest schemers in the anime.
Speaker 4: I agree.
Speaker 1: I honestly I do love black Beard in that in
Speaker 1: that way he actually like has plans and uh and ideas.
Speaker 1: But my theory, my theory is that everyone's able to
Speaker 1: eat two devil fruits. It's just there was there's a
Speaker 1: myth that you die if you do it, and everyone's
Speaker 1: been scared to do it since one guy tried and
Speaker 1: he died of a cold the next day, and they're
Speaker 1: just like, oh, can't do it. And Blackbeard's like, I
Speaker 1: don't believe that shit pulled it off. But he didn't
Speaker 1: want the world to see because then everyone would start
Speaker 1: eating two devil fruits. He wants me to wanted to
Speaker 1: do it.
Speaker 3: And if that didn't work, if that's the case and
Speaker 3: it just didn't work and he actually did die there
Speaker 3: that would have been very honest with real areas.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people were like, oh, it's definitely the knife at
Speaker 1: his hip because he didn't want anyone to see it
Speaker 1: with the knife, otherwise everyone would try to steal the knife.
Speaker 1: And I'm just like, well, if it's his double fruit,
Speaker 1: everyone will try to kill him and steal a double fruit.
Speaker 1: How far are we in Axel we are into Marine
Speaker 1: Ford right now.
Speaker 3: I will say, as far as the double fruit theory goes,
Speaker 3: he did look up specifically, like he was very informed
Speaker 3: and knew about that fruit specifically, And it was once
Speaker 3: that fruit kind of was actually found that he betrayed
Speaker 3: white Beard's crew to get that fruit. Right, So the
Speaker 3: dark fruit, like that was one he very intentionally got
Speaker 3: with the So with how big of a schemer he is,
Speaker 3: I see why people would lean towards that one.
Speaker 1: So all right, Poseidon, let's talk about Shanks and the boys.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, he was late no, because he actually no,
Speaker 2: I'm not mad that he wasn't part of the entirety
Speaker 2: of Marine Ford. I mean I feel like he is
Speaker 2: a big reason why everything ended. Like Shanks literally was
Speaker 2: the one who's like, you guys basically got what you wanted.
Speaker 2: You guys wanted Ace dead and now he's dead, Like
Speaker 2: there's no use fighting anymore. You guys already won, and
Speaker 2: he was the reason why. Like most I think if
Speaker 2: everybody was able to get out.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Buddy stopped the war.
Speaker 4: He showed up, stopped.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like black Beard, you want some marines, you
Speaker 3: want some like he kind of just called out everybody
Speaker 3: individually and like, you know.
Speaker 1: Was it revealed where he was at this point and
Speaker 1: why he was late. I don't, because we know why,
Speaker 1: but I just don't want to reveal it. If it
Speaker 1: hasn't been revealed, I can't think of it.
Speaker 4: I don't think it was.
Speaker 2: I don't think I know yet.
Speaker 4: I might hold off on that one.
Speaker 1: They mentioned it at the end of the arc. Apparently
Speaker 1: it's mentioned at the end of the arc. So he
Speaker 1: was off fighting Kaido.
Speaker 2: Oh, the other emperor.
Speaker 1: The other Yonko. Yes, so Buddy Holf managed to end
Speaker 1: his fight with Kaido or figure it out and make
Speaker 1: it his way to the war and everyone's like, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm done.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean he did a better job at stopping
Speaker 4: things than Kobe did, right, Kobe. Kobe was one. He
Speaker 4: took one punch from Blue.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we didn't talk about Kobe.
Speaker 2: Kobe, Yes, you see him having also very conflicting feelings
Speaker 2: throughout this arc. Him and hel Metal were like we're
Speaker 2: out of here initially, right, and you get they do
Speaker 2: walk in on. I think it's a kind news because
Speaker 2: youki like killing one of the Marines who wants to
Speaker 2: also leave. So and then you see like Kobe kind
Speaker 2: of flashing back a little bit to his dream of
Speaker 2: becoming an admiral and he he gathered the courage to
Speaker 2: stand up to the Marines and this was basically his
Speaker 2: like one of his growing points right as a character,
Speaker 2: that you know, he's like, I'm not going to be
Speaker 2: a coward anymore. I'm not. I didn't. I didn't do
Speaker 2: all of this just to run away from a fight
Speaker 2: like I'm doing. I have to do my duty as
Speaker 2: a marine.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Also that he does also have hockey potential
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yeah, and yeah we see that he uh,
Speaker 3: you know, does his duties as a marine and he's
Speaker 3: not a coward in the fight and whatnot. But then
Speaker 3: going even further than that, he kind of follows his
Speaker 3: own sense of justice and that he sees that after
Speaker 3: Ace is dead, you know, they're still fighting going on,
Speaker 3: but it's kind of pointless violence of like the Marines
Speaker 3: are just having more and more people die and they
Speaker 3: accomplish their goal, right white Beard's dead, Asha is dead,
Speaker 3: Like pushing further it's kind of pointless at that point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he knows that if they stop now, they could
Speaker 1: save so many people that are currently injured like that,
Speaker 1: like you're on the battlefield, like with an arm missing
Speaker 1: or like with a hole in their stomach, and they're like,
Speaker 1: He's like, if we stop now, we could like treat
Speaker 1: these people. We achieved our goal. We achieved our goal.
Speaker 3: Like there's something to be said about knowing what it's
Speaker 3: like to be weak and like being able to or
Speaker 3: you know, knowing what it's like to be there at
Speaker 3: the bottom of the ladder and uh being able to
Speaker 3: empathize with those people. So I know there's been a
Speaker 3: there was a special recently where you know, we get
Speaker 3: like more of a side story type of view from
Speaker 3: like just some of the random soldiers on the Marine
Speaker 3: side that were in this war.
Speaker 4: It has to be terrifying, right.
Speaker 3: All these these goliaths are colliding, there's explosions, there's fire,
Speaker 3: there's lava.
Speaker 4: There's Ice with a gun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you're you're You're Joe Smith right there with
Speaker 3: a gun, trying to do your darnness right. Your your
Speaker 3: family lives here at the marine base. You just want
Speaker 3: to get back to them. Like like you said, people
Speaker 3: were trying to flee there beforehand, but I kind of
Speaker 3: wasn't having any of that.
Speaker 4: So mm hmm. So sorry, soapbox again, But we can
Speaker 4: talk about whatever.
Speaker 1: I have one moment I want to talk about. There's
Speaker 1: a moment where Ace finally gets freed. And as much
Speaker 1: as like I have been saying, I'm out the biggest
Speaker 1: fan of Ace, I do still like him a lot.
Speaker 1: And the moment where he gets freed and lands next
Speaker 1: to Loofy, his firepower is like kind of like shadowing
Speaker 1: around them. It is shit, And like the happiness and
Speaker 1: the dynamic in which they fought, it was just so great,
Speaker 1: Like it was just peak. And then you get the
Speaker 1: contrast to what happens moments later or a little later,
Speaker 1: when he finally gets killed. But like it was just
Speaker 1: such good writing where it's like he's not gonna make
Speaker 1: He's gonna get killed. He's gonna get killed. He's gonna
Speaker 1: get killed, Keep on surviving, Keep on surviving, keeps on surviving. Boom,
Speaker 1: he finally gets released. Happy Happy, Happy, Bam back to set. Like,
Speaker 1: it's just it's just such top tier writing.
Speaker 2: It's so sad because I know exactly what you're talking
Speaker 2: about that scene, because it actually recently got printed in
Speaker 2: the TCG because the newest set coming out. It's it's
Speaker 2: centered around the three brothers, and it's the title of
Speaker 2: the set is called Carrying on His Will and referring
Speaker 2: to Ace. And it's like, oh, I know exactly because
Speaker 2: they reprinted it and they redrew the art.
Speaker 3: It is so sad too because I know this art
Speaker 3: came out like over thirteen years ago or whatever in
Speaker 3: the anime, like it's it's been out. But uh, it's
Speaker 3: one of those things I, you know, don'nut joke at
Speaker 3: the start of this podcast aside, I usually try to
Speaker 3: spoil for anybody because I remember it hit me so
Speaker 3: hard and then, uh, I feel like it's one of
Speaker 3: those hardest spoilers to avoid in one piece, right, Like
Speaker 3: even when Animac was the Virgin, I remember teching early on,
Speaker 3: like mentioning it and then just feeling so bad. Yeah
Speaker 3: after uh, and like you said, Poseidon with the TCG,
Speaker 3: So things happened, but it's it's one of those where
Speaker 3: if you're not expecting it, like, uh, it hits you
Speaker 3: right after the moment of happiness, right like you said,
Speaker 3: you're happy he escaped.
Speaker 4: There they have this bonding moment and then.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think I was spoiled. I watched it.
Speaker 1: I watched this like over a decade ago, probably close
Speaker 1: to fifteen years ago. Fourteen years ago at the time,
Speaker 1: I don't wasn't part of any anime community, just watching
Speaker 1: it on my fucking flat screen, like like illegally streaming it.
Speaker 4: Same.
Speaker 3: I don't know it hit for me, I remember whenever
Speaker 3: because it's so much build up to it too, right,
Speaker 3: if nothing else, you feel it from Luke's perspective, right,
Speaker 3: like we just fought for this for so many arcs.
Speaker 3: We we think we have it and then uh, and no,
Speaker 3: Lupy takes the biggest l of the series so far,
Speaker 3: right like he Yeah, he does not come out on
Speaker 3: top this times.
Speaker 1: Yeah, mentally physically just absolutely destroyed coming out of this
Speaker 1: arc and he was saved by Law. Why was Law there?
Speaker 2: I don't remember, I honestly don't remember either, but Law
Speaker 2: is a huge reason why Loofy is also still like
Speaker 2: still alive. Like Law, I think there was like some
Speaker 2: scenes where you know, they were kind of flashing back
Speaker 2: to Saba Odi. Not flashing back, but like you get
Speaker 2: to see what's going on from the perspective of the
Speaker 2: people in Saba Odi. And I believe Law was there
Speaker 2: and kids, like most of the super novas, I think
Speaker 2: we're still there, but you kind of see Law kind
Speaker 2: of oh my god, like this is this is crazy.
Speaker 2: So he does show up at the end and he's like,
Speaker 2: we need to save Loofy now. Like we get him
Speaker 2: in the operating room and we find out that he's
Speaker 2: a doctor. He's he is a surgeon, so he gets
Speaker 2: his little medical gloves on and starts operating on Loofy
Speaker 2: while they're trying to escape. Yeah, if he did get
Speaker 2: a big scar from.
Speaker 3: I will say he doesn't give a reason, but he
Speaker 3: has asked the reason. He's like, I can come up
Speaker 3: with one if you want one, but because it's a
Speaker 3: Vonkob asking and he's just kind of like, no, I
Speaker 3: like I get it that sometimes people just act instinctively
Speaker 3: or or whatever. So I'm not going to push it
Speaker 3: too hard, right, So we don't have.
Speaker 2: A reason that it's because Law also kind of sees
Speaker 2: the future of like pirates, right and Lufy And maybe
Speaker 2: perhaps he saved him because it's like we need him
Speaker 2: to be able to kind of fight against whatever is
Speaker 2: going to happen in the future.
Speaker 1: Wow, great prediction.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I feel like the reason why, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't see another reason why he would save him
Speaker 2: other than we need Lufy.
Speaker 1: To be He's he's a planner as a strategist, maybe
Speaker 1: like black Beard make sure new account right. Wow, well,
Speaker 1: very very well done. Poseidon on that one. I will say,
Speaker 1: I can't say that much longer. So let's all talk
Speaker 1: about maybe one more thing that we won't that we
Speaker 1: need to talk about from this arc. Yes, any ideas, guys?
Speaker 2: Are you talking about A's fuck?
Speaker 1: That dude body got rage baited?
Speaker 2: He did get rage baited. But yeah, I don't know
Speaker 2: what did you want to bring up? Well?
Speaker 4: I will say one thing about Ace is I felt
Speaker 4: very bad for him this entire arc.
Speaker 3: Because there's one thing to sacrifice yourself and like be
Speaker 3: self sacrificing for others. It's another to have people sacrificing
Speaker 3: themselves for you, Like all the people you care about
Speaker 3: are dying there trying to help you out, and you're
Speaker 3: just begging them not to write. Like you feel so responsible,
Speaker 3: you feel so uh you know, you feel like you're
Speaker 3: the cause of this whole thing, and.
Speaker 4: Deep down he still wants to live.
Speaker 3: But uh yeah, sitting there watching him go through that
Speaker 3: as like wars and everybody else kind of falls one
Speaker 3: out or the other, it was not easy.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it wasn't easy to watch, but it was
Speaker 1: a little annoying just watching him. Like I get why
Speaker 1: he turned back to help his dad who came and
Speaker 1: saved him. Didn't want to leave people behind that were
Speaker 1: that were dying fighting for his survival. But you finally
Speaker 1: got away, leave, leave with your fucking brother.
Speaker 3: It hurt.
Speaker 2: It hurt, dude, Fuck that guy.
Speaker 3: I get it though, Like Ace isn't weak, right, Like
Speaker 3: he was asked to be like one of the seven
Speaker 3: Warlords prior to ever joining up with white Beard, like
Speaker 3: two years of past since then, he wasn't a weak guy.
Speaker 3: He in his mind, he wants to be able to
Speaker 3: help those that are like in his direct vicinity, right,
Speaker 3: that care about him, just like they care about him
Speaker 3: he cares about them, right, So I get it, I
Speaker 3: get it.
Speaker 4: It makes sense. I think it's good writing.
Speaker 1: But but yeah, sad nonetheless, Oh anything else, guys.
Speaker 2: I just want to say one of my favorite moments
Speaker 2: from this arc. I believe it was shown that, like
Speaker 2: when Whitebeard dies is like a flashback to when white
Speaker 2: Beard was still like a pirate, like on some random
Speaker 2: ass crew and everybody's kind of making on the cruis
Speaker 2: make fun of him. They're like, what do you dream of?
Speaker 2: And Whitebeard's dream was to have a family, And I'm
Speaker 2: like he was able to do that, and I, ah, god,
Speaker 2: that's so sad.
Speaker 4: Dude, so sad.
Speaker 1: He's trying to find the one piece. If white Beer
Speaker 1: was the main character, he would be about finding friends
Speaker 1: and family along the way. M hmm.
Speaker 2: Yeah. One of that was one of the the real.
Speaker 1: One piece, the family made alone in the way one
Speaker 1: piece doesn't exist.
Speaker 2: So before we go, I also want to mention because
Speaker 2: I I I I will, I'll keep this short, but
Speaker 2: I frequent book talk a lot because I also read
Speaker 2: like novels outside of this, so a lot of my
Speaker 2: favorite there's been a surgeons in the book talk community,
Speaker 2: all these girlies who read a bunch of smut and
Speaker 2: a bunch of like just books, fantasy, romance. They have
Speaker 2: all started reading one Piece and it has been the funniest,
Speaker 2: like last three weeks. And it was so funny because
Speaker 2: a lot of them will do like updates, we'll read
Speaker 2: like a lot of them just finished Romance down and
Speaker 2: they were all like, oh my god, I feel so bad.
Speaker 2: Choo choo the dog. It broke my heart. I was
Speaker 2: crying so much. And I'm like, these these girlies are
Speaker 2: not ready crying over fucking chu chuo. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: what are you gonna do when you get to water seven?
Speaker 2: What are you gonna do when you get to Marine Ford?
Speaker 2: So I am looking forward to seeing all the book
Speaker 2: talk girlies continue their one Piece journey because it's reminding
Speaker 2: me of how I went through mine. So I just
Speaker 2: want to mention that because I think it's it's really funny.
Speaker 2: You know, we can transition me, dude. It's so funny
Speaker 2: because a lot of the comments are like, finally, like
Speaker 2: literate one.
Speaker 1: Piece readers, Oh no.
Speaker 2: Oh my, oh my god, what is that?
Speaker 1: I will say, a lot of weekly chapter reviewers, not
Speaker 1: that they're illiterate in any way it's just they get
Speaker 1: so like in depth about stuff that they're so focused
Speaker 1: on the little things that sometimes, like when you're watching
Speaker 1: someone review something like an entirety of an arc, you
Speaker 1: could like appreciate the actual storytelling of it versus like
Speaker 1: this one panel, Well we could justify that this person's
Speaker 1: actually probably this strong, and it's like, well what about
Speaker 1: the Like it's all predictions and they're trying to it's
Speaker 1: all trying to stretch like one chapter into a twenty
Speaker 1: minute YouTube video, and it's just so funny. So I
Speaker 1: see where the criticism sometimes comes from.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's been great. I really There's this girl
Speaker 2: I have to find her user name. Her name is Carla.
Speaker 2: I was actually following her for quite some time before
Speaker 2: she started reading one Piece and she got like all
Speaker 2: the book Talker released too, So yeah, I will, I
Speaker 2: will let you know how how they go. But read,
Speaker 2: they mostly most of them finished Romance down and they're
Speaker 2: all crying over the dog. So I'm like, oh boy,
Speaker 2: I can't wait till they get to Drum Island.
Speaker 4: Let's go look at the times.
Speaker 3: Yeah, book book talk girly that like started watching somebody.
Speaker 4: Else is just oh and along let's go.
Speaker 1: Okay, so the post war, I don't think it's that
Speaker 1: many episodes. I think it's less than twenty episodes. I
Speaker 1: would like to do that for a future a future week,
Speaker 1: just all of the post war.
Speaker 2: If I also watch a little bit of, uh, the
Speaker 2: backstory of a least Sabo and Loofy. I'm in the
Speaker 2: middle of that right now. But I also understand there's like, uh, yeah,
Speaker 2: the post war right after that. So if you just
Speaker 2: give me, like what episode I need to get to,
Speaker 2: I'll let you.
Speaker 1: Know, five sixteen, five sixteen.
Speaker 2: Every five hundred right now, so maybe I can for
Speaker 2: sure get there in like two weeks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think post war kind of yeah, captures what
Speaker 4: you're doing and then basically just everything for for a
Speaker 4: little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, going on with the straw hats. It kind of
Speaker 1: like brings a bunch of stuff together. Absolutely. Actually, you're
Speaker 1: welcome on any time, my friend. Truly. You're always a
Speaker 1: great addition, especially for one piece, very knowledgeable for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah about one piece.
Speaker 1: I believe. Yeah, the Poles War is next, and it's
Speaker 1: up to five hundred and sixteen for everyone wondering, I
Speaker 1: gotta go to hockey training now, so I do need
Speaker 1: to run. I hope everyone enjoyed this episode. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much for Sidon for doing this with us.
Speaker 3: Jordan's the he's training his uh, his observation and whatnot,
Speaker 3: like he has conquerors.
Speaker 4: All right, that was.
Speaker 1: Already hockey training. Imagine I was walking to the chaining
Speaker 1: room for like the training these kids in hockey. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to train them the way to trade.
Speaker 1: Actually a spoiler, I can't even say that, Oh Joe.
Speaker 4: You can't. I know, next time on One Piece Virgin.
Speaker 1: Alright, later, guys, shimpal and I'll see you all next time.
Speaker 4: Thank you, guys. Bye boy,