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Speaker 1: Yo, what is up? Boys? How's it going? And welcome

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back to another episode of the One Piece Virgin podcast,

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covering the end of a saga a mammoth of an arc,

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Marine Ford and with me Today we have the One

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Piece Virgin herself, Poseidon Mythols. What's up gamer?

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Speaker 2: Hello? Oh boy? Do we have an arc to talk

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about today?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And we have Jordan joined us today.

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Speaker 4: What's up? Everybody? Happy to be here?

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Speaker 3: I know this is a bit of a big arc,

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so I took some liberties and Briggs I was able

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to secure a sponsorship.

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Speaker 4: For this episode. So do we want to go ahead

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and say what that is?

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Speaker 1: Or this episode is sponsored by Jordan?

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Speaker 4: I got I brought donuts for everybody.

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Speaker 1: No, no, I just like.

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Speaker 4: It's too soon, too soon. I had the box sitting

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in there. I felt like I had.

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Speaker 1: To so bad boiler warning, spoiler warning from so long ago.

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But yes, a lot of we finally get some death

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in this in this arc. Poseidon. General thoughts on Marine Ford.

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Speaker 2: Peak definitely, in my opinion, the best arc up until

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this point. This was such shot a good arc. I

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mean I think emotionally, I think I'm more attached to

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like water seven and Eddie's lobby, just because I feel

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like that that those like that saga like really hurt me,

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but I don't. I still think that Marine Ford is

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I like, just a masterpiece. I absolutely loved it, and

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I'm heartbroken. I'm not gonna lie. I. I actually haven't

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watched much One Piece after I finished this arc because

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I was just emotionally suppressed to come back.

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Speaker 1: I will say, I do like your I like your

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take that you think emotionally Water seven and his Lobby

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hit you harder, And it makes sense because you were

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following the straw Hats for a long period of time

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versus people like Ace white Beard Garp that like pulled

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those feelings from you. You didn't know as long, but

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you do get to kind of feel it through Loofy's reaction, right,

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Lufy's like kneeling next to Ace. But we'll get to

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that when we get to it.

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Speaker 4: Nine out of ten arc needed more, Robin. I think

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that's usually the.

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Speaker 1: It's my I think it's my favorite, my favorite arc,

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and the entire anime as well. It's just downhill from here, guys,

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we're going into the new era. The One Piece is real. Unfortunately,

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Oh man, Oh my god, Okay, where do you want

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to start for Sidon?

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Speaker 2: Okay, so we did start the arc did start off

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with a huge, huge reveal. So up until this point,

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we were given the information that As and Loofy are brothers.

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They grew up together. So in my head up until

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this point, I was just like, Okay, so she's also

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Dragon's kid. They kind of look similar, they have black hair,

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and I had no idea when they did reveal like,

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oh yeah, Ace is gold d Rogers son, and I

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remember having to like pause the episode. I was like, wait,

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what what's you had the same reaction as Bonkov. Yeah,

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because I I I'm sure maybe most viewers also probably

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thought the same that oh, both of these characters are

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Dragon son. No, they he's an adoptive brother. And we

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do get to find out that when Goldie Roger was

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going to get executed, the Marines were going all over

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the place looking to see if maybe he was gonna

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have a kid, because there were rumors spreading around that he,

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you know, was with certain people. So his mom, her

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name is port Gusty rouge uh in A, in an

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attempt to save a decided to hold in his pregnancy.

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I think for like twenty months total, a very long time.

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She she held him in and as a result, when

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he was born, she did end up passing away. So

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he no longer has a father or a mother and

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it's just him and it's really sad. But we get

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to find out that when Roger was in jail ready

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for his execution, he was begging Garp to please take

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care of his son. So Garp, promising him, did raise

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Ace with Loofy and took care of him.

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Speaker 1: So that's why the brothers not biological.

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Speaker 2: Not biologically, but they did grow up together, and that

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was just really sad.

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Speaker 1: I will say I never really fell in love with

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Ace as a character, but I did fall in love

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with white Beard. He yes the best. He's just the

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best dad in anime, one of the best dads. Who

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would have thought, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, I actually feel very similarly because I think white Beard, like, okay,

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I'm not gonna lie, like Ace's death did hit me

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very hard, but I think Whitebeard's death actually hit me

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a lot harder because I mean, throughout the throughout the arc,

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you get to see white Beard and how much he

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loves his sons, his crew, and how he is like

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a dad, like he took care of everyone. He loves

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them all the same, and it's you get to see

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that with the way he interacts, and you get like

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flashbacks to certain characters and how white Beard saved them

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from the rock bottom, and it was just, oh God,

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I love white Beard And it's such a shame that honestly,

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up until this point, we didn't really get to see

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him very much. We knew of him, but we didn't

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get to see like him until this arc, so we

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didn't get to spend much time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, really is. It is a testament though, like how

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much we were able to fall in love with white Beard,

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how much you grew attached to him in such a

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small amount of time. It was only like fifteen or

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twenty chapters that you really got to know him, like

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leading up to like this point. I don't know how

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many chapters Marine Ford is overall, but leading up to

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like I feel like when I fell in love with him,

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like we've only really known him for a small amount

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of time. Yes, I will say, though you were spoiled

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for Ace's death, I'm assuming because now.

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Speaker 2: You're I was. What did it for me was there

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was someone at my locals we were talking about, Uh,

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from One Piece goes. We were talking about like Kasaka Zuki,

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the leader was banned for like over a year. Yeah

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in One Piece TCG and someone called him donut maker

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and I was like, what what do you mean donut maker?

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And they were like, oh, she doesn't know, and they're like, oh,

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don't worry about it. But then like they spoiled me,

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and I'm like, god, damn it.

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Speaker 4: Like you guys, that feels bad.

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Speaker 1: The fact that you lasted that long to not get

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spoiled and then got speiled in that way is really

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heartbreaking because you were not as shocked. But for people

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that were reading and watching along the way One Piece,

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people don't really die up until this point.

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Speaker 2: No, we didn't have any major characters die.

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Speaker 1: Most characters up until this point, even on the verge

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of death what they should be dying from. In this

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fictional world, they're able to survive. And if amost felt like, yeah,

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they're gonna get away, people are gonna live and survive

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it like everything's always gonna work out, And then this.

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Speaker 2: Ar kids, Yeah, I think correct me if I'm wrong.

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I feel like this arc was what changed One Piece

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just moving forward, I think that this is the huge

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turning point. It's the end of an era. And also,

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like Loofy, at most of the arcs, if not all

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of them, up until this point, he has won every

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single battle. He has been able to defeat the big

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bad guys. And this is the first arc where that

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does not happen. That perhaps maybe Lufy is not strong

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enough to become King of the Pirates, perhaps he's not

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strong enough to stand up to the world government. Like

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it's it's so heartbreaking.

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Speaker 1: We can't even handle himself against one Pacifista. I sorry

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to cut you off, barely could handle one Pacifista. One

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Pacifista could destroy the straw Hat Crew at this at

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this point in Sabadi or like whatever, one strong adversary,

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the amount of Pacifistas at this war admirals, vice Admirals, Sengoku,

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Garp Mihawk, which we got to talk about so much stuff.

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It's just such a reality check. And throughout this saga

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you get reality checks from Sabadi to impel down. But

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this is like the final like Okay, they're small fish

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in a huge pond.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And it really hammers it home in this arc

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as far as basically giving Lufy a couple retries with

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the Vonkove and whatnot, like energy boosts, like he gave

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it his all throughout a couple of art back to

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back to back, and it really hammered home that like

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effort alone is not enough at this point, right, Like

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you can want it as bad as you want it,

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but at a certain point reality sets in and uh,

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towards the very end of the arc, like it flashes

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back where you know Shanks is, you know, giving Lookie

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back the straw hat and he chooses not to have

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a reunion because it flashes back to where it says

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like you can give this back to me when you're

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a great pirate and he's like, you know, if we

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meet now, we'll be breaking that vow, right Like, this

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isn't the promised time. He's not a great pirate yet

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at this point.

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Speaker 1: So okay, I'm gonna lift list off characters. We don't

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need to rush through them. But rather than going chronologically,

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I want to bring up a character and then you

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guys are going to talk about what you thought about

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what they did in the arc or how you felt

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about them in the arc. It might be an easier

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way because this is a mammoth and we don't have

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a obviously like we can't spend two hours here. Crocodile,

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any any any idea that ideas on him from the god.

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Speaker 2: I love that man, still one of my favorite villains

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up in.

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Speaker 4: The three letters for him, all right, MVP, it's.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I mean that's Buggy, that's mister three and Buggy.

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But yes, I will.

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Speaker 3: Say the very first time they they say to go

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ahead and execute ah though, because they rushed up the schedule.

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Whose sand was it that took out your guards that

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were about to swing down the axe?

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Speaker 4: Right like it? It was Crocky boy as they were

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about to escape.

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Speaker 3: And uh, you know post donut, post donut, how did

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Jim Bay and uh and Loofy get out of there?

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Crocodile send him flying over over to Buggy right so.

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Speaker 1: And who woke up Whitebeard after he was unconscious? Crocodile

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joining their side and being like, come on, old man,

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I wasn't beaten by such a fucking weekling or something

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like that, and Whitebeard gets up and rejoins the fight.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, one of the most unexpected alliances that

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had a smoker just in shock.

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Speaker 2: But yes, yeah, I think a lot of them were

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like what like he's helping them out because I think

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everybody at this point knew that Loofy was the reason

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why he's no longer a warlord, Like everybody knows that

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Loofy defeated him back in Alabasta. And I'm sure I

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was also really shocked at like how cooperative he was

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and how willing he was to help, because initially he

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went to Marine for to have at it with white Beard, right,

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but as the arc kind of went on, he kind

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of switched sides and was like, no, we're we're gonna

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get as out of here, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, Let's move on to Garp. I want to hear

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your thoughts on Garp in this art.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, he's such a You get to see

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him throughout this arc kind of go having very conflicting feelings. Right,

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he has to, you know, do his job as a

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vice admiral to me make sure that this execution goes

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without a hitch. But I mean, Aces is his grandson,

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you see a lot of his conflicting feelings. Like throughout

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this art, you get like scenes and shots where you

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know they're about to execute him and he's like closing

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his eyes and just like battling with like his feelings.

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And there was a fight between Garb and Loofy, and

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Loofy absolutely punched the shit out of him. But I

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also feel that Garp was probably holding back a little.

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Speaker 1: Too, couldn't him. He couldn't bring himself to do it.

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I promise you at this point in the story, Garp

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would destroy Loofy in every possible way, Like Garb is stronger,

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but he's just unable to hit his grandson.

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Speaker 2: He can't do it.

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Speaker 1: But it's crazy though that he was sitting there and

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standing between Ace and Loofy, the one per like like

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his two grandsons, one about to be executed, one being

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attacked by pirates, and him still try to fulfill his

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like his duty as a marine, Like you could see

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it in his eyes. And I don't know, it's a

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small thing that I really really appreciated with this arc.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you get to see he feels like I

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feel like he felt a lot of shame too, because

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now the government knows that Garth was the reason why

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Ace was alive in the first place. Like if it

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wasn't for Garth taking care of Ace, who knows what

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would have happened to him, you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So yeah, he had a lot of that disappointed

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dad energy as far as like why didn't you boys

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listen to me? Now this is what's happening. But he

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was just emotionally devastated to it, to the point where

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immediately after Lufy punched him and stuff like, he's kind

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of obviously like, so you chose your family over you know,

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your duties as a marine, which makes sense, but it's

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just one of those conflicts that were was internal and

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not really clear probably up until that point on which

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way it would go.

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Speaker 2: Right. So also I felt like, oh, go ahead, go ahead.

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Speaker 1: I just want to say there's a moment after Ace

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gets killed where Garp looks at Sengoku and says, hold

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me down or I'll kill him.

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Speaker 2: I was actually gonna mention.

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Speaker 1: That people got mad at me. I I genuinely think

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it'd be a close fight. I still think it'd be

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a close fight between gar I am. I am the

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biggest GARB Blazer of all time, saying like Loki, obviously

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he's like older, so he's not gonna bee as strong

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as as he was in his prime. But I am

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the biggest GARB Blazer, he's like entering up to me,

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you know. And now the goat.

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Speaker 4: He's something, he's something.

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Speaker 1: I mean at this point of the story, you obviously

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like you just you don't really know gar that much.

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You just got to meet him, and again you like,

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I feel like od did such a good job in

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an arc with like fresh characters making you fall in

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love with him and care for them. But yeah, I

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do think I probably Goku is stronger because he's younger,

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but I think pri Sengku. I'm like, god man, Kayu, Yeah,

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my bad, I've been saying Sengku both times. I was

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saying Sengku is the one who donutted, right, yes, my bad,

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I was saying versus Garb and I still think would

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have put up a fight even in his old age.

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Speaker 4: Yeahky is the one that, uh that donuted.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I don't know why I kept I'm saying donut

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maker misspoke my bad.

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Speaker 4: Guys, Oh good, oh good. I'm just making sure.

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Speaker 1: But that's why I was saying that such a laser

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because like obviously.

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Speaker 3: Like the admiral like, yeah, and there's a lot of

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the the admirals fighting this arc, right, like initially they

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seem like they're kind of evenly matched against uh white

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Beard's division commanders and whatnot, But we see by the

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end that the only one that really held his own

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against one was uh was white Beard himself, right, So.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the admirals were were huge.

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Speaker 3: It's like we had so many, so many big bads

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from previous arcs were involved in this war, and they

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were not the biggest players by far right, So that's true.

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Speaker 1: What about Mehawk, how do you guys feel about Me Hawk?

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You got to see him a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Do you. My favorite scene with me Hawk is actually

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at the end, which is like when Shanks comes in

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and Me Hawk's like, you know what, I'm not I'm done.

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We're not fighting anymore. We're not crocodile Meehawks just sees

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Shanks and it's like, nope, I'm good, I'm leaving.

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Speaker 3: I agreed to fight white Beard. He didn't agree to this.

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We have earlier in the show of them drinking together

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and being buddies, right, so it's like that, Yeah, he's like,

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I don't want that problem.

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Speaker 4: I know what Shanks is capable of.

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Speaker 2: So yes, I think this is the first arc we

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actually get to see me Hawk actually like put up

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a fight because I mean, his fight against Zorro was

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ended pretty quick.

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Speaker 3: He is is that swordsman that is the greatest in

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the world at heart, right, So we see him kind

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of kick off all the action in this arc with

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a basically throwing a slash at white Beard.

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Speaker 4: Himself, just wanting to test himself.

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Speaker 3: And then we see him fight against the Loufi fight

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against Crocodile, like he was one of the one, one

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of the few should cheep chi cheap o guy that

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really wanted to get involved in this arc, right, whereas

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others were, you know, kind of there. They're kind of participating,

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but they're like, we're just more so because we kind

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of have to be right, whereas I don't know, he

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kind of jumped into the mix a little bit quicker, I.

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Speaker 1: Will say, though he jumps in quick, but it just

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feels like he doesn't try and I don't like I

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wanted more from him on this arc. And I get it.

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He's still like a pirate. He's still like an in

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between between white Beard and thing. And obviously he sided

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himself more with the Marines because he was backing the

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Marines in this case. But I feel like he's just

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like I'm gonna help a little bit.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Oh it makes sense too though, because I mean we

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had a couple of cool moments like like that slash

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or like slashing the entire iceberg. But the seven warlords

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in this arc are kind of like in a in

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a typical battle, what like mercenaries would be right like,

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they're there, but they don't really have like a steak

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in the the whole thing. They're there because they're they

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have to be for you know, uh, for their end

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of the bargain to be.

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Speaker 4: Filled as well. Yes, whereas like the.

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Speaker 3: Pirates there, they're they're there fighting to the death trying

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to save their their boy and the Marines. You know,

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this is like the big battle, you know, regardless of

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who wins, this is deciding the era right here, right

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like this.

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Speaker 1: Is I think you're absolutely right in regards to it

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makes sense like he's forced to be there. He doesn't

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really want to do what he's doing, probably, but he's

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forced to be there. So he's like, I'm going to

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put in enough effort to get the paycheck, you know,

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to keep the role right, but he's not going to

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do enough to really change the tides, which I feel

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like he was probably very He's probably very capable of

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doing stuff that could change the the outcome or like

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largely affect the outcome if he actually tried, right, And

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we see that from.

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Speaker 3: A lot of the Seven Warlords, right, you know, Boa

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doing the.

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Speaker 4: Stuff for Whitebeard's side, probably more so than not.

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Speaker 1: But she gets away with it because she's beautiful, right, Yeah,

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so that we could talk about next thoughts on Bulla

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and this arc Poseidon.

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Speaker 2: She she was comedic relief because you do get to

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see her. I mean, she's a warlord, but I mean

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she kept her eyes on Loofy and made sure that

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Loufy was able to get out of certain fights unscathed.

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Particularly one of my favorite ones was when Smoker was

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having at it with Loofy. And if you didn't like,

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we like, how do I see this Smoker? I forgot?

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Is he a logiah?

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Speaker 1: Fruit?

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Speaker 2: Is he? Is he a logia?

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Speaker 3: I can't remember his whole body into into smoking? Yeah,

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so they can turn their whole body like into the

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element of the thing, then that's when they're a logias.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I keep forgetting, like which is which? But typically

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most people, if they try to like fight Smoker, their

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their hand or foot or whatever. We'll just kind of

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go right through him. But poa poa like legitimately like

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did some damage to him. And you get to see

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the shock on Tashigi's face and it's like, wait, you

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can't do that, Like he's a Lujah she is. And

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you even get to like hear Smoker go her hockey

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is so like strong, so BoA's love for Lufy is

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is insane. You get to see like a little flash

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but like a little de Lulu, like not flashbacks, but

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like her he her like the Lulu going off to

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She's like, I'm gonna marry Lufy. We're gonna live together forever.

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I'm gonna cook for him, I'm gonna clean, and it's

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like so funny.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, Bora is definitely worthy of her role because

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not only does she have like a crazy devil fruit,

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not only does like people turn the stone just by

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looking at her attractiveness, but she also has like a

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good control over hockey, able to fight someone like Smoker

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like She's actually like like a lot stronger than I

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think we would realize that first glass glance, Like, I

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think Bora is quite a bit stronger than Lufy at

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this point in the game.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Oh.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she's a She's one of the seven warlords for

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a reason, right, So but yeah, they do play her

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role pretty comedic here in this arc as far as

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uh all the just the unexpectedness of her knowing loofy,

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all the soldiers reacting like did he just take her

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down with like a like a bear hugg did he

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just like what's going on?

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Speaker 4: Are you going? He hugged me? You know? Is this

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what marriage feels like?

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Speaker 3: So so yeah, they played it off a little bit comedic,

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but she had her big moments, like especially towards the end,

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like basically being the reason he was able to get

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past all the Pacifista right, which is, as we've seen,

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he can't take those out at this moment. But she

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she kind of does that work for for him, because

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she's listed as an ally.

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Speaker 4: Under their their white list. I guess you'd call it, right.

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Speaker 1: So okay, let's talk about do Flamingo another Shuji Bukai.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, he he did some emotional damage, cut

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his legs off, her foot or whatever he did with

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string fruit. I was like, this is this is one

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bitch ass motherfuck No, he's he's strong, he is. He

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is incredibly strong. Uh, he's quite the interesting character to

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me too. He's kind of I don't know how to

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say it, but he's kind of there's.

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Speaker 1: A few he's like chaotic. He's like chaotic evil or

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chaotic chaotic. It feels like where he was just down

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for like he didn't even care what which side won.

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He just like, yeah, more reveals he felt like a fan.

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Speaker 4: He's like he was having with it.

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Speaker 1: He was having funny like keep going like like like

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the more the more crazy this gets, the better the

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more fun it is for me. And like he does

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have one line. I don't know if you remember the

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quote Poseidon.

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Speaker 2: I think I do, because there's a card I play

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in all my green decks. It's because the side of

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justice right will be whichever side that wins exactly kind

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of like that, Yeah, that's he wasn't necessarily like rooting

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or rooting for one side versus the other. He's just like, well,

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whoever wins is that that's justice.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because they're the ones who paint history, and there's

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definitely something true about that even with with our world

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as well.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it makes me think back a little bit too,

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back in Stoboudi where he had that conversation with the

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auction house dude, like and he's just like, you guys

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are on your own right now, entering like a new era,

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right which I think he was also kind of hinting

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out as well throughout this arc that we're whatever is

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happening in Marine for Now is going to dictate how

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the rest of history is going to like pan out.

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Speaker 3: Dop Flamingo is definitely one of those that's kind of

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looking at the bigger picture and yeah and seeing things

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kind of as they play out, looking very forward looking

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with it, right and uh, but he's also just very

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entertained by the whole thing as far as my favorite

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moment of his probably in this art, because it's just

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his reaction when Blackbeard and stuff shows up, right, like he's.

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Speaker 2: Having the most that's the whole thing at.

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Speaker 4: Some point, Doffy's reaction to it.

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Speaker 1: All Right, Yeah, let's talk about Buggy super quick, my goat,

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one of my favorite characters in All A one piece.

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00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:19,599
Speaker 2: He him and mister mister three and his their little

471
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:24,400
goons or whatever. They they were definitely other comedic relief

472
00:24:25,039 --> 00:24:27,160
throughout this art. I mean, they were trying to leave.

473
00:24:27,319 --> 00:24:29,680
They were just like, I'm out of here. You don't

474
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,880
want to be a part of this. But they just

475
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,920
somehow kept getting wrapped up and like whatever shenanigans or

476
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:40,119
came a point where the transponder snail they like kidnapped

477
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,440
one of them and they were they were broadcasting like

478
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,759
whatever was happening. But they were just being silly on

479
00:24:45,799 --> 00:24:46,240
the camera.

480
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,319
Speaker 1: They were trying to make a dog. They're like, this

481
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,720
is the story of the man who was on the

482
00:24:51,799 --> 00:24:55,200
crew with the pirate King, and like he gets so

483
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,640
notorious because of all this shit. It's hilarious.

484
00:24:58,000 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 3: I don't even know what you guys are talking about.

485
00:24:59,599 --> 00:25:01,799
Comed Relieve, what do you what do you mean? This

486
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,240
is We see him kind of go back and forth

487
00:25:04,319 --> 00:25:07,119
with with white Beard as equals there towards the start

488
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,480
of the arc, and then they're the ones that keep

489
00:25:09,519 --> 00:25:13,160
the press and like the the camera's going as the

490
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:18,039
government tries to shut everybody in the dark, right, which yeah, yeah,

491
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,200
I don't know, buggies. Then he carries Loofy out.

492
00:25:21,079 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 1: At the end, he does he does oh, speaking of

493
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,960
standing up to white Beard, Loofy stands up to white

494
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,319
Beard in a pretty great way. Thoughts on that guys.

495
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, not quite as good as Buggies, but

496
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,559
like it was got the crowd going.

497
00:25:36,759 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

498
00:25:37,039 --> 00:25:42,640
Speaker 2: No, Loofy was not scared of him either. He was

499
00:25:42,759 --> 00:25:45,799
just like, you know, we're gonna do this, and you know,

500
00:25:45,839 --> 00:25:48,720
you get to see white Beard also see how much

501
00:25:48,839 --> 00:25:51,480
heart Loofy has and he's telling I believe he told

502
00:25:51,599 --> 00:25:54,759
Marco like, no matter what happens, you have to make

503
00:25:54,799 --> 00:26:00,559
sure this this man or boy doesn't die. So yeah,

504
00:26:00,599 --> 00:26:02,839
if white Beard put a lot of trust into Loofy

505
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,799
to make sure that Ace was able to escape.

506
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Lufy had a lot of a lot

507
00:26:10,279 --> 00:26:12,160
of people kind of watching his back over the course

508
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,039
of this arc, which plays into the whole Uh you

509
00:26:15,079 --> 00:26:19,839
know how probably under leveled he was for this particular saga,

510
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:21,839
but uh, you know, a big reason for that was

511
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:22,720
the impression he made.

512
00:26:22,839 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 4: Right. So I said in interviews prior that Lufy's very.

513
00:26:26,839 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 3: Much a man of action. Yes, there's a reason, like

514
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,559
it's very intentional that he never really has internal dialogue,

515
00:26:32,599 --> 00:26:35,720
that there's only a couple of segments I think ever

516
00:26:35,759 --> 00:26:37,720
in the story where he does and everything he kind

517
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,920
of thinks he says out loud, right, And because of that, yes,

518
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,440
makes good impressions on people like white Beard, like he's

519
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:46,480
just very uh I don't know, charismatic in that way

520
00:26:46,559 --> 00:26:48,799
where he's very trustworthy and uh yeah, they.

521
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 4: Kind of let him lead the charge, right, So yeah,

522
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:52,119
something you said about that.

523
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 1: So, as you mentioned before, Jordan, Ace is a belt

524
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:56,519
to be killed quite a few times in this art,

525
00:26:56,559 --> 00:26:58,640
they keep on teasing the execution a belt to happen.

526
00:26:58,839 --> 00:27:02,160
Crocodile save the day one time, mister three you mentioned

527
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:07,480
with comedic relief, the MVP brings that what's it called,

528
00:27:07,519 --> 00:27:09,920
like the wax fruits to turn into a key to

529
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,680
unlock Ace the goat. But there's also a moment where

530
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:18,039
Loofy saves Ace's life with a blast of conquerors. Hockey

531
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:19,119
thoughts on that.

532
00:27:19,279 --> 00:27:23,319
Speaker 2: Yes, where he tells everybody to stop. This was when

533
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,720
he was on the bridge, right when Ino Zoomam used

534
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,799
the fruit to make a bridge, if I'm remembering correctly.

535
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,079
Speaker 1: I just remember that Age was about to be executed

536
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,519
and he was surrounded by pirates.

537
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:38,519
Speaker 2: And yeah, and everybody was in shock. Most of the

538
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,960
marines kind of fell to the ground and they were

539
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,039
just and the people who were able to withstand the

540
00:27:44,079 --> 00:27:48,880
Conqueror's hockey were just like, holy shit, this kid has it.

541
00:27:49,079 --> 00:27:52,680
He has it the one in one million like type

542
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,359
of hockey. Like not it's not one of those hockeys

543
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,599
that you you can learn. It's one of those ones.

544
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,440
If I'm remembering correctly, you have to be boring.

545
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you have it or also super random. I

546
00:28:04,839 --> 00:28:09,160
sent this to you, Jordan, but rewatching this arc, which

547
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,519
is what I did at I work a side job.

548
00:28:11,799 --> 00:28:13,119
What I did at work today is I watched this.

549
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,440
I sent to you a screenshot. I gotta find it though,

550
00:28:18,039 --> 00:28:22,359
I said the panel that yeah, yeah, me Hawks says

551
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:26,119
to Loofy or says or thinks or thinks out aloud whatever. Sorry,

552
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,839
Red Haired, but this power knows no restraint. Now, Fate,

553
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:34,079
how will you deal with this heaven sent boy? Will

554
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,440
his life end here? Or will he escape this black blade?

555
00:28:37,759 --> 00:28:42,279
Me talk about the fight Loofy. It just in reread

556
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,599
rewatching this is something I appreciated. I don't want to

557
00:28:44,599 --> 00:28:45,599
get into it too much, Jordan.

558
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 3: It's just something yeah, yeah, No, it's definitely Loofy kind

559
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,799
of survived by the skin of his teeth in this arc, right,

560
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,359
like he definitely could have gone out at multiple points

561
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:58,279
that was one of the starting ones, and uh yeah,

562
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,519
I don't know, it was one of those arcs that

563
00:29:01,519 --> 00:29:04,079
rereading it, there was a lot of thought put into

564
00:29:04,079 --> 00:29:06,279
how everything kind of played out. I know we're not

565
00:29:06,319 --> 00:29:08,240
covering it chronologically, but just as far.

566
00:29:08,079 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 4: As tactics and stuff go, because one of the first

567
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,279
things Lufy says to white Beard is, hey, we just

568
00:29:12,319 --> 00:29:13,079
heard on the radio.

569
00:29:13,519 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 3: You know, they're they're bumping up the execution, right, And

570
00:29:16,039 --> 00:29:17,480
that was kind of a fake out, trying to get

571
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,079
them to rush in quick. And uh so, yeah, there's

572
00:29:20,079 --> 00:29:26,640
a lot of different ways that Lufy's personality kind of

573
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,680
played into that as far as like them cutting it

574
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,440
down to one way, but he still ran in any

575
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,440
ways knowing it's a trap, whereas a lot of other

576
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,880
people hesitate. So uh yeah, I mean Lufy is very

577
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,000
determined in this art, but and that played a way

578
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,839
of kind of getting through all those other mind games

579
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:42,880
everybody else was playing.

580
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 4: So yeah, sorry, sorry that bit.

581
00:29:47,559 --> 00:29:49,039
Speaker 1: Of a no I appreciate it.

582
00:29:49,279 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 4: Yep.

583
00:29:50,359 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: Okay, we talked about we said Buggy, we talked about

584
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,680
Mister Three, we talked about Okay, why don't we actually

585
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,880
take a second to talk about white Beard. Maybe we

586
00:29:58,200 --> 00:29:59,920
did obviously talk about him a bunch, he said, cha,

587
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,440
he's a great dad. But deciding if you want to

588
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,240
go a little bit deeper on what you thought about

589
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,960
a thought about white Beard, he.

590
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 2: I was shocked that his I mean, it wasn't just

591
00:30:13,799 --> 00:30:17,440
his crew. I guess he has like not side crews,

592
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:22,039
but like pirate crews that are allied allied with him.

593
00:30:22,039 --> 00:30:24,440
It was I was shocked at how many people he

594
00:30:24,559 --> 00:30:28,640
brought over to to Marine Ford. And that just goes

595
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:33,200
to show how much these other people love Whitebeard and

596
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:38,319
how well he takes care of his children. But it

597
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,920
kind of hurt, just like seeing throughout this arc, and

598
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,920
it was mentioned pretty in a few places that you know,

599
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,599
white Beard's no longer at his peak, He's not as

600
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,359
strong as he used to be. And you get to

601
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:55,039
see him like he's still incredibly strong, right, but you

602
00:30:55,039 --> 00:30:57,920
you kind of know as if you were like, is

603
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,319
he gonna make this out of this alive? Is he

604
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,079
gonna be you know, able to to fight like the

605
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,799
admirals and stuff. And you see him struggle too, I

606
00:31:08,799 --> 00:31:11,640
mean one of his uh, one of his crew actually

607
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,319
ends up stabbing him yep during this.

608
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: Arc and fuck that dude. You know what White them.

609
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 3: I actually feel bad for the dude because I said,

610
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,279
everybody else was playing mind games, right, and I knew

611
00:31:24,559 --> 00:31:30,359
that uh gold Roger was responsible for killing Squaltz Crew, right,

612
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,839
and he had this grudge against gold Roger. And you know,

613
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,119
the Marines came out with this propaganda this uh they

614
00:31:36,119 --> 00:31:39,079
were saying at the very start that uh, you know,

615
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,440
not only uh is white Beard trying to make Ace

616
00:31:42,519 --> 00:31:44,680
the next king of the Pirates, right, He's trying to

617
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:45,880
put him up, but he's willing.

618
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,279
Speaker 4: To sacrifice everybody else to do so. Right.

619
00:31:47,279 --> 00:31:49,839
Speaker 3: There was an agreement and the Marines only attacked his

620
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,160
allied crews and not white Beard's crew itself, just to

621
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,079
make it, just to play into that and make it

622
00:31:54,119 --> 00:31:57,160
seem like, uh, like they really were being betrayed, right,

623
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:58,759
So he played.

624
00:31:58,440 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 4: On that doubt.

625
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think they executed it quite well, especially

626
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,839
like Squald really hates Goldie Roger. Meanwhile, he didn't know

627
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,359
that Ace was his son, right, right, So that adds

628
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,519
even more fuel to the fire. And then it just

629
00:32:11,559 --> 00:32:14,559
seems like, yeah, trying to trying to prop up Ace.

630
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,319
It makes sense, and it's even even it's so sad

631
00:32:18,319 --> 00:32:21,200
when he when he stabs him, but like him Whitebeard

632
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,880
forgiving him so easily. It's such a beautiful moment.

633
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 3: It's because white Beard kind of sees the reality of

634
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,839
the situation, right, he sees it's not a real betrayal,

635
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,880
he's just misled. And then, uh, like the reality of

636
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,640
the situation is like in the flashback when Ace you know,

637
00:32:34,759 --> 00:32:37,440
tells white Beard who his dad is, Like white Beard

638
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,720
doesn't really care, right, Like he says that's not important,

639
00:32:39,759 --> 00:32:41,880
Like you can't blame a son for the sins of

640
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,680
his father. So so it plays into whole white Beard's

641
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,400
personality a lot there as far as what kind of

642
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,880
man he is, right, what he really cares about, what

643
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:52,759
his values are?

644
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,799
Speaker 1: Talk about Blackbeard now, but I.

645
00:32:56,759 --> 00:32:59,079
Speaker 3: Get sorry, I don't want to send on soapbox too long.

646
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,279
But like, all we're talking about white Beard, can we

647
00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:02,680
talk about the way he went out?

648
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 2: Like, oh, yeah, absolutely, it was such he he died

649
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:07,400
standing up.

650
00:33:07,759 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like half his face is gone, like okay,

651
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,160
in the anime, his faces as fucked up as in

652
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:19,000
the manga, which really yeah, two hundred and sixty seven

653
00:33:19,119 --> 00:33:21,960
Sword Wounds, one hundred and fifty two bullets forty six

654
00:33:22,039 --> 00:33:24,599
cannon blasts, but not one shot.

655
00:33:24,319 --> 00:33:26,559
Speaker 3: In the back, right, not it was all in the front.

656
00:33:26,599 --> 00:33:30,920
He had not no coward wounds whatsoever. Right, the tattoo

657
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,160
on his back was still as untouched as ever, So

658
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:39,480
I don't know, he went out standing, right, So so yeah, sorry,

659
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:44,240
it's manga a little bit more. Even those were the stats, right.

660
00:33:44,079 --> 00:33:47,079
Speaker 1: Even in the anime they read the stats off the yeah,

661
00:33:47,839 --> 00:33:50,200
not the commentator. What the fuck is the word the narrator.

662
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 4: The narrator reads it off.

663
00:33:51,759 --> 00:33:53,519
Speaker 1: And it gave me absolute chills.

664
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,359
Speaker 3: So I guess Eddie like thoughts on that specifically. I

665
00:33:56,359 --> 00:33:57,920
know you said his death got to you, probably more

666
00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:59,880
than than Aces. I don't know if that was a

667
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,160
shock value or just unexpected, or if I had anything

668
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:04,880
to do with like how it happened or what.

669
00:34:08,079 --> 00:34:09,639
Speaker 1: For me, it just felt like I was able to

670
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:13,280
care for for white Beard more than Ace. Ace made

671
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:17,159
me sad because of Lufy's reaction, But white Beard's death

672
00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:19,760
made me sad because it's like all those kids lost

673
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,199
a father, all those all those not kids, they're not kids,

674
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:27,280
but like all those that family lost to dad, and

675
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,039
he just just actually like he was the biggest Chad

676
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:33,159
the biggest monster. What a badass, What a great character,

677
00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:39,400
but like just actually a good family man like that.

678
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 3: And there's something to be said about his character just

679
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,199
through how others treat him, right, Yeah, he had that

680
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:50,559
protagonist energy and that uh after you know, people think

681
00:34:50,599 --> 00:34:54,280
he gets betrayed, like he uh he forgets Squald. He

682
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,719
jumps down to face the Marines himself and kind of

683
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,639
joins the battle, and you know, he well, well they

684
00:35:00,679 --> 00:35:03,440
acted like the uh they were only targeting his allied

685
00:35:03,639 --> 00:35:06,360
uh pirates and whatnot, and they weren't targeting his crew.

686
00:35:06,639 --> 00:35:08,679
He destroys the wall of ice to where there's an

687
00:35:08,679 --> 00:35:10,360
open sea there, and he's like anybody that wants to

688
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,440
go go, like, g if you fight with me, you

689
00:35:13,519 --> 00:35:15,920
might very well die, right Like, so yeah, he leads

690
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:17,920
the charge and like everybody stays.

691
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 4: Nobody nobody leads, right.

692
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: So it also speaks volumes to Sengoku's plan because one

693
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,079
of my things was like, why are they executing a

694
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,559
so publicly? And it was all I feel, it's just

695
00:35:29,679 --> 00:35:33,519
all one big trap right with and up until this point,

696
00:35:33,559 --> 00:35:37,320
they didn't have the pacifist to Pacifistas either, so like

697
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:41,039
unleashing that army tracking them in, knowing that everyone was

698
00:35:41,079 --> 00:35:43,440
gonna come and support white Beard. White Bear was gonna

699
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,360
come to try to save Ace. It was just all

700
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,960
one big trap. White Beard already knew and walked into

701
00:35:48,079 --> 00:35:50,760
it too, like it's it was just it's it's so

702
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,440
much better upon rewatchers picking up these little things.

703
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 3: That was the very start of the mind game too, right,

704
00:35:55,519 --> 00:35:57,400
Like white Beard kind of saw through it and started

705
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,320
attacking the ships on the side. But like as soon

706
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,519
as they entered the place, they were gonna surround with

707
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,719
battleships and uh, basically just encircle everybody, right, so make

708
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:10,079
sure there was no escape route. But uh, but yeah,

709
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:11,920
white Beard, what a what a chad one of the

710
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,119
one of the biggest in anime.

711
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,079
Speaker 1: And he ends broke my heart.

712
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 2: Man.

713
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 1: He also ended off with a bang by saying like

714
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:23,320
the One Piece is real, just discontinuing the era, like

715
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,039
letting it continue on. Yeah, he like.

716
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,159
Speaker 3: Fights until the death, telling everybody else to run, like

717
00:36:28,199 --> 00:36:29,880
he says, this is where I die. And then uh,

718
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,039
then he has the big epic speech of like you

719
00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:34,719
know what, yeah, what the uh the one Piece means

720
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,360
how it's gonna carry on and that it that it

721
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,400
is real, right, so it inspires a whole other generation.

722
00:36:39,559 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 2: So yeah, it made me so sad, Like at the

723
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,199
end where everybody is now, like when they got Ace,

724
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,400
right where everybody's heading out, like you see white Beard

725
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,440
he's trying to fight everyone off, and like all his

726
00:36:52,519 --> 00:36:55,039
crew's just like come on, like come with the come on,

727
00:36:55,079 --> 00:36:57,920
we got him already, you need to go. And he's like, no, no, no,

728
00:36:58,679 --> 00:36:59,440
I'll stay here.

729
00:36:59,679 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: I'm a post off at a leave Ace, leave, just

730
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:08,400
fucking leave. Not rage baiting, buddy, literally got rage baited.

731
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,000
Oh my gosh speaking of it.

732
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 4: But I was gonna say, speaking of the New Era,

733
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,119
who proclaimed it their era? I know you were wanting to.

734
00:37:17,119 --> 00:37:19,760
Speaker 3: Talk about him a little bit earlier, but I didn't

735
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:20,760
want to cut you off too much.

736
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,119
Speaker 2: Wait which one? I'm sorry, please remind me.

737
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 3: So yeah, white Beard said it was you know, the

738
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,559
everybody's saying this era was was white Beard, and the

739
00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:32,800
new era it was black Beard. He was like, this

740
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,239
is the black Beard era, right like he uh, he

741
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,360
proclaimed that after he took white Beard's power.

742
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 4: He's like, this new new era is going to be mine.

743
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,559
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean the world, I mean, I guess

744
00:37:41,559 --> 00:37:42,800
we can I don't know if you want to just

745
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,199
segue into like just talking about black Beard, because that's

746
00:37:45,199 --> 00:37:46,639
a whole other let's.

747
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 1: Talk about it. Let's do it.

748
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 4: Yeah we can, I just know earlier jump around.

749
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, So we do find he comes in at the

750
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,239
end of this arc. So he he was pretty absent

751
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,639
pretty much throughout the entirety of his arc up until

752
00:37:59,679 --> 00:38:02,159
like the line like a few episodes, but we do

753
00:38:02,199 --> 00:38:06,840
find out why he actually broke into Impel Down, and

754
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:11,440
he broke into Impel Down to break out some of

755
00:38:11,519 --> 00:38:17,360
the most dangerous criminals that the world has ever seen,

756
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:22,199
and he brings all of them over into Marine Ford.

757
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,760
And I don't know if this was confirmed, but at

758
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:26,679
least this is like what I think would happen. He

759
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,519
was waiting for this to almost end, to be able

760
00:38:30,559 --> 00:38:33,559
to make his entrance and to be able to do

761
00:38:33,639 --> 00:38:37,440
what he did, and like the biggest shock that happened.

762
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,159
One of the biggest shocks was that he was able

763
00:38:40,199 --> 00:38:45,320
to take Whitebeard's devil fruit, which was absolutely unheard of

764
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,920
in this world up until this point because everybody had

765
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,360
this kind of info, right, like you can only have

766
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,840
one devil fruit. If you eat a second one, you

767
00:38:53,880 --> 00:39:00,679
will die. So once he eats his double he now

768
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,159
has what the power of the seaquakes as well as

769
00:39:03,199 --> 00:39:07,320
the dark fruit. He up until it's by everybody's like

770
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,320
he might be as well, might as well be like

771
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:16,960
the most powerful character in this in this world right now, nobody? Yeah,

772
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,480
he has two really really strong devil fruits, and you

773
00:39:20,519 --> 00:39:25,159
see the absolute shock that everybody is like, oh my god,

774
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:26,559
like we don't want to fight him.

775
00:39:26,679 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 4: Any theories on.

776
00:39:27,559 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 2: How I don't know. I just remember I think it

777
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:36,159
was Lafitte and who put like a like a caper

778
00:39:36,199 --> 00:39:40,159
a blanket over over white Beard, and then black Beer

779
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,480
goes under the blanket. A few minutes later he comes

780
00:39:42,519 --> 00:39:45,480
out with his devil fruit so completely unscathed.

781
00:39:45,679 --> 00:39:47,159
Speaker 1: I guess the reason why they covered him up is

782
00:39:47,199 --> 00:39:49,199
because Blackbird doesn't want people to see how he's able

783
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:50,000
to do what he did.

784
00:39:50,639 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, because if they if people know how to do it,

785
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,840
then the entire world would just go into shambles. Right.

786
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:57,400
He wants to be one of the only ones who

787
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:58,239
knows how to do this.

788
00:39:58,519 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: I think at the time, what's your theory, Jordan, And.

789
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:03,639
Speaker 3: It's one that I think somebody said kind of during

790
00:40:03,679 --> 00:40:05,880
the arc, right, my theory is that he's just built different.

791
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean a lot of people theorized that

792
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,280
had to do with the devil fruit. Theorized that had

793
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,159
to do with a knife on his on his like

794
00:40:13,199 --> 00:40:17,679
waist or something. But like that he was able to

795
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:21,719
get a second power without like suffering the the causes

796
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,280
of having two devil fruits or whatever. There's there's multiple

797
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,119
personality theories where he's more than one person. There's so

798
00:40:28,119 --> 00:40:30,519
many things up until this point that people theorized at

799
00:40:30,519 --> 00:40:33,280
this point in the game. I would just keep them

800
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:34,079
all in the back of your head.

801
00:40:34,119 --> 00:40:39,599
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, yeah, I mean, I don't know, man,

802
00:40:39,679 --> 00:40:40,760
I'm scared of this man.

803
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,639
Speaker 3: It could really be anything, though, because the thing about

804
00:40:43,639 --> 00:40:45,400
black Beard is, well you said, everybody's kind of scared

805
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,639
of him because of how powerful two fruits would be,

806
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,639
and one of them being you know, white Beards who

807
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,960
just controlled the seas prior to that. Yeah, he's very

808
00:40:53,039 --> 00:40:56,920
much a plotter and a and a schemer more than anything, right, Like, yes,

809
00:40:57,119 --> 00:40:59,159
he's a rat, he's a snake. He betrayed white Beard,

810
00:40:59,159 --> 00:41:01,119
but then he became a one of the seven warlords

811
00:41:01,119 --> 00:41:04,119
in order to betray them to get in the whistle

812
00:41:04,199 --> 00:41:06,679
down and get those people out and then uh, it

813
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,719
was somebody on his crew that opened the gates for

814
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,639
Loofy and them to go into to Marine Ferd. Right, Yeah,

815
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,639
so it that, you know, they kind of just adding

816
00:41:15,679 --> 00:41:17,280
to the chaos until their time to show up.

817
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,199
Speaker 1: So I have a theory.

818
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,039
Speaker 4: One of the biggest schemers in anime.

819
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:22,119
Speaker 1: One of the biggest schemers in the anime.

820
00:41:22,199 --> 00:41:22,599
Speaker 4: I agree.

821
00:41:22,639 --> 00:41:24,679
Speaker 1: I honestly I do love black Beard in that in

822
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:28,840
that way he actually like has plans and uh and ideas.

823
00:41:29,039 --> 00:41:32,320
But my theory, my theory is that everyone's able to

824
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,440
eat two devil fruits. It's just there was there's a

825
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,800
myth that you die if you do it, and everyone's

826
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,360
been scared to do it since one guy tried and

827
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,480
he died of a cold the next day, and they're

828
00:41:41,519 --> 00:41:44,480
just like, oh, can't do it. And Blackbeard's like, I

829
00:41:44,519 --> 00:41:46,920
don't believe that shit pulled it off. But he didn't

830
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:48,559
want the world to see because then everyone would start

831
00:41:48,599 --> 00:41:51,159
eating two devil fruits. He wants me to wanted to

832
00:41:51,159 --> 00:41:51,440
do it.

833
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 3: And if that didn't work, if that's the case and

834
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,280
it just didn't work and he actually did die there

835
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,039
that would have been very honest with real areas.

836
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, people were like, oh, it's definitely the knife at

837
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,280
his hip because he didn't want anyone to see it

838
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,400
with the knife, otherwise everyone would try to steal the knife.

839
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,000
And I'm just like, well, if it's his double fruit,

840
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:07,760
everyone will try to kill him and steal a double fruit.

841
00:42:10,039 --> 00:42:13,199
How far are we in Axel we are into Marine

842
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:14,000
Ford right now.

843
00:42:14,639 --> 00:42:17,159
Speaker 3: I will say, as far as the double fruit theory goes,

844
00:42:17,599 --> 00:42:21,800
he did look up specifically, like he was very informed

845
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,679
and knew about that fruit specifically, And it was once

846
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,199
that fruit kind of was actually found that he betrayed

847
00:42:27,199 --> 00:42:29,719
white Beard's crew to get that fruit. Right, So the

848
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,280
dark fruit, like that was one he very intentionally got

849
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,559
with the So with how big of a schemer he is,

850
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:36,400
I see why people would lean towards that one.

851
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: So all right, Poseidon, let's talk about Shanks and the boys.

852
00:42:41,519 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 2: Oh my god, he was late no, because he actually no,

853
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,320
I'm not mad that he wasn't part of the entirety

854
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:54,880
of Marine Ford. I mean I feel like he is

855
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,199
a big reason why everything ended. Like Shanks literally was

856
00:42:58,199 --> 00:43:01,559
the one who's like, you guys basically got what you wanted.

857
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,320
You guys wanted Ace dead and now he's dead, Like

858
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,119
there's no use fighting anymore. You guys already won, and

859
00:43:08,159 --> 00:43:10,960
he was the reason why. Like most I think if

860
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:12,840
everybody was able to get out.

861
00:43:13,039 --> 00:43:15,639
Speaker 1: But yeah, Buddy stopped the war.

862
00:43:16,039 --> 00:43:18,039
Speaker 4: He showed up, stopped.

863
00:43:19,639 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like black Beard, you want some marines, you

864
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,519
want some like he kind of just called out everybody

865
00:43:24,519 --> 00:43:25,960
individually and like, you know.

866
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,559
Speaker 1: Was it revealed where he was at this point and

867
00:43:29,599 --> 00:43:34,960
why he was late. I don't, because we know why,

868
00:43:35,199 --> 00:43:36,920
but I just don't want to reveal it. If it

869
00:43:37,199 --> 00:43:40,039
hasn't been revealed, I can't think of it.

870
00:43:40,079 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 4: I don't think it was.

871
00:43:41,079 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 2: I don't think I know yet.

872
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 4: I might hold off on that one.

873
00:43:46,039 --> 00:43:48,039
Speaker 1: They mentioned it at the end of the arc. Apparently

874
00:43:48,039 --> 00:43:49,840
it's mentioned at the end of the arc. So he

875
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:51,000
was off fighting Kaido.

876
00:43:52,679 --> 00:43:55,159
Speaker 2: Oh, the other emperor.

877
00:43:54,920 --> 00:44:01,599
Speaker 1: The other Yonko. Yes, so Buddy Holf managed to end

878
00:44:01,639 --> 00:44:05,239
his fight with Kaido or figure it out and make

879
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,159
it his way to the war and everyone's like, all right,

880
00:44:07,199 --> 00:44:09,039
I'm done.

881
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean he did a better job at stopping

882
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,079
things than Kobe did, right, Kobe. Kobe was one. He

883
00:44:14,119 --> 00:44:14,960
took one punch from Blue.

884
00:44:15,039 --> 00:44:17,119
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we didn't talk about Kobe.

885
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 2: Kobe, Yes, you see him having also very conflicting feelings

886
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,960
throughout this arc. Him and hel Metal were like we're

887
00:44:25,039 --> 00:44:28,239
out of here initially, right, and you get they do

888
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,119
walk in on. I think it's a kind news because

889
00:44:31,159 --> 00:44:33,920
youki like killing one of the Marines who wants to

890
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,360
also leave. So and then you see like Kobe kind

891
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,320
of flashing back a little bit to his dream of

892
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:44,639
becoming an admiral and he he gathered the courage to

893
00:44:44,679 --> 00:44:48,880
stand up to the Marines and this was basically his

894
00:44:49,079 --> 00:44:51,559
like one of his growing points right as a character,

895
00:44:52,199 --> 00:44:53,960
that you know, he's like, I'm not going to be

896
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,039
a coward anymore. I'm not. I didn't. I didn't do

897
00:44:57,079 --> 00:45:00,320
all of this just to run away from a fight

898
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,119
like I'm doing. I have to do my duty as

899
00:45:02,119 --> 00:45:02,559
a marine.

900
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,679
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Also that he does also have hockey potential

901
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:07,440
as well.

902
00:45:08,119 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yeah, and yeah we see that he uh,

903
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:15,960
you know, does his duties as a marine and he's

904
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:17,760
not a coward in the fight and whatnot. But then

905
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,960
going even further than that, he kind of follows his

906
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,000
own sense of justice and that he sees that after

907
00:45:22,039 --> 00:45:24,920
Ace is dead, you know, they're still fighting going on,

908
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,039
but it's kind of pointless violence of like the Marines

909
00:45:27,039 --> 00:45:30,239
are just having more and more people die and they

910
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,719
accomplish their goal, right white Beard's dead, Asha is dead,

911
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,400
Like pushing further it's kind of pointless at that point.

912
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, he knows that if they stop now, they could

913
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,440
save so many people that are currently injured like that,

914
00:45:40,679 --> 00:45:42,880
like you're on the battlefield, like with an arm missing

915
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:44,679
or like with a hole in their stomach, and they're like,

916
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:46,559
He's like, if we stop now, we could like treat

917
00:45:46,599 --> 00:45:50,039
these people. We achieved our goal. We achieved our goal.

918
00:45:51,079 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 3: Like there's something to be said about knowing what it's

919
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,679
like to be weak and like being able to or

920
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:58,119
you know, knowing what it's like to be there at

921
00:45:58,119 --> 00:46:00,320
the bottom of the ladder and uh being able to

922
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,199
empathize with those people. So I know there's been a

923
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,639
there was a special recently where you know, we get

924
00:46:04,679 --> 00:46:06,960
like more of a side story type of view from

925
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,800
like just some of the random soldiers on the Marine

926
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:10,880
side that were in this war.

927
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 4: It has to be terrifying, right.

928
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 3: All these these goliaths are colliding, there's explosions, there's fire,

929
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:18,559
there's lava.

930
00:46:18,599 --> 00:46:21,079
Speaker 4: There's Ice with a gun.

931
00:46:21,199 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you're you're You're Joe Smith right there with

932
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,679
a gun, trying to do your darnness right. Your your

933
00:46:26,679 --> 00:46:28,480
family lives here at the marine base. You just want

934
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,320
to get back to them. Like like you said, people

935
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,639
were trying to flee there beforehand, but I kind of

936
00:46:33,679 --> 00:46:34,480
wasn't having any of that.

937
00:46:34,639 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 4: So mm hmm. So sorry, soapbox again, But we can

938
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:40,679
talk about whatever.

939
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 1: I have one moment I want to talk about. There's

940
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,320
a moment where Ace finally gets freed. And as much

941
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,280
as like I have been saying, I'm out the biggest

942
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,119
fan of Ace, I do still like him a lot.

943
00:46:50,559 --> 00:46:53,840
And the moment where he gets freed and lands next

944
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,480
to Loofy, his firepower is like kind of like shadowing

945
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,199
around them. It is shit, And like the happiness and

946
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:04,519
the dynamic in which they fought, it was just so great,

947
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:08,440
Like it was just peak. And then you get the

948
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,320
contrast to what happens moments later or a little later,

949
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,199
when he finally gets killed. But like it was just

950
00:47:14,199 --> 00:47:16,559
such good writing where it's like he's not gonna make

951
00:47:16,559 --> 00:47:18,239
He's gonna get killed. He's gonna get killed. He's gonna

952
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,920
get killed, Keep on surviving, Keep on surviving, keeps on surviving. Boom,

953
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:26,440
he finally gets released. Happy Happy, Happy, Bam back to set. Like,

954
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,559
it's just it's just such top tier writing.

955
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:33,159
Speaker 2: It's so sad because I know exactly what you're talking

956
00:47:33,199 --> 00:47:36,639
about that scene, because it actually recently got printed in

957
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,480
the TCG because the newest set coming out. It's it's

958
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,679
centered around the three brothers, and it's the title of

959
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:47,920
the set is called Carrying on His Will and referring

960
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,679
to Ace. And it's like, oh, I know exactly because

961
00:47:50,679 --> 00:47:53,239
they reprinted it and they redrew the art.

962
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 3: It is so sad too because I know this art

963
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,079
came out like over thirteen years ago or whatever in

964
00:47:58,119 --> 00:48:01,119
the anime, like it's it's been out. But uh, it's

965
00:48:01,159 --> 00:48:03,760
one of those things I, you know, don'nut joke at

966
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:05,599
the start of this podcast aside, I usually try to

967
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:07,800
spoil for anybody because I remember it hit me so

968
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:09,960
hard and then, uh, I feel like it's one of

969
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,360
those hardest spoilers to avoid in one piece, right, Like

970
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,320
even when Animac was the Virgin, I remember teching early on,

971
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,360
like mentioning it and then just feeling so bad. Yeah

972
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:21,280
after uh, and like you said, Poseidon with the TCG,

973
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,519
So things happened, but it's it's one of those where

974
00:48:23,519 --> 00:48:26,440
if you're not expecting it, like, uh, it hits you

975
00:48:26,519 --> 00:48:28,400
right after the moment of happiness, right like you said,

976
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:29,440
you're happy he escaped.

977
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,559
Speaker 4: There they have this bonding moment and then.

978
00:48:31,559 --> 00:48:33,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think I was spoiled. I watched it.

979
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,360
I watched this like over a decade ago, probably close

980
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,559
to fifteen years ago. Fourteen years ago at the time,

981
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,119
I don't wasn't part of any anime community, just watching

982
00:48:43,119 --> 00:48:46,920
it on my fucking flat screen, like like illegally streaming it.

983
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:48,039
Speaker 4: Same.

984
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,159
Speaker 3: I don't know it hit for me, I remember whenever

985
00:48:50,199 --> 00:48:51,880
because it's so much build up to it too, right,

986
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,039
if nothing else, you feel it from Luke's perspective, right,

987
00:48:54,079 --> 00:48:57,159
like we just fought for this for so many arcs.

988
00:48:57,639 --> 00:49:00,159
We we think we have it and then uh, and no,

989
00:49:00,679 --> 00:49:02,599
Lupy takes the biggest l of the series so far,

990
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,119
right like he Yeah, he does not come out on

991
00:49:05,159 --> 00:49:05,880
top this times.

992
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, mentally physically just absolutely destroyed coming out of this

993
00:49:10,079 --> 00:49:13,719
arc and he was saved by Law. Why was Law there?

994
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 2: I don't remember, I honestly don't remember either, but Law

995
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,599
is a huge reason why Loofy is also still like

996
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:24,159
still alive. Like Law, I think there was like some

997
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,920
scenes where you know, they were kind of flashing back

998
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,599
to Saba Odi. Not flashing back, but like you get

999
00:49:30,599 --> 00:49:32,719
to see what's going on from the perspective of the

1000
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,840
people in Saba Odi. And I believe Law was there

1001
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:37,760
and kids, like most of the super novas, I think

1002
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:41,119
we're still there, but you kind of see Law kind

1003
00:49:41,119 --> 00:49:44,079
of oh my god, like this is this is crazy.

1004
00:49:44,159 --> 00:49:46,800
So he does show up at the end and he's like,

1005
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,480
we need to save Loofy now. Like we get him

1006
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,119
in the operating room and we find out that he's

1007
00:49:51,159 --> 00:49:55,280
a doctor. He's he is a surgeon, so he gets

1008
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,920
his little medical gloves on and starts operating on Loofy

1009
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,480
while they're trying to escape. Yeah, if he did get

1010
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:02,320
a big scar from.

1011
00:50:03,599 --> 00:50:05,119
Speaker 3: I will say he doesn't give a reason, but he

1012
00:50:05,119 --> 00:50:06,840
has asked the reason. He's like, I can come up

1013
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,800
with one if you want one, but because it's a

1014
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:11,639
Vonkob asking and he's just kind of like, no, I

1015
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,159
like I get it that sometimes people just act instinctively

1016
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,039
or or whatever. So I'm not going to push it

1017
00:50:16,079 --> 00:50:18,559
too hard, right, So we don't have.

1018
00:50:18,519 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 2: A reason that it's because Law also kind of sees

1019
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,880
the future of like pirates, right and Lufy And maybe

1020
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,119
perhaps he saved him because it's like we need him

1021
00:50:28,119 --> 00:50:30,119
to be able to kind of fight against whatever is

1022
00:50:30,119 --> 00:50:31,119
going to happen in the future.

1023
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 1: Wow, great prediction.

1024
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I feel like the reason why, Like,

1025
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,119
I don't see another reason why he would save him

1026
00:50:38,159 --> 00:50:39,639
other than we need Lufy.

1027
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,599
Speaker 1: To be He's he's a planner as a strategist, maybe

1028
00:50:42,639 --> 00:50:45,079
like black Beard make sure new account right. Wow, well,

1029
00:50:45,199 --> 00:50:49,760
very very well done. Poseidon on that one. I will say,

1030
00:50:50,199 --> 00:50:52,159
I can't say that much longer. So let's all talk

1031
00:50:52,159 --> 00:50:53,840
about maybe one more thing that we won't that we

1032
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:58,719
need to talk about from this arc. Yes, any ideas, guys?

1033
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,280
Speaker 2: Are you talking about A's fuck?

1034
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: That dude body got rage baited?

1035
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 2: He did get rage baited. But yeah, I don't know

1036
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,760
what did you want to bring up? Well?

1037
00:51:15,199 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 4: I will say one thing about Ace is I felt

1038
00:51:17,039 --> 00:51:19,039
very bad for him this entire arc.

1039
00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 3: Because there's one thing to sacrifice yourself and like be

1040
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:27,000
self sacrificing for others. It's another to have people sacrificing

1041
00:51:27,039 --> 00:51:29,079
themselves for you, Like all the people you care about

1042
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:31,760
are dying there trying to help you out, and you're

1043
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,679
just begging them not to write. Like you feel so responsible,

1044
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,599
you feel so uh you know, you feel like you're

1045
00:51:37,639 --> 00:51:38,840
the cause of this whole thing, and.

1046
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:40,280
Speaker 4: Deep down he still wants to live.

1047
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:44,199
Speaker 3: But uh yeah, sitting there watching him go through that

1048
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,519
as like wars and everybody else kind of falls one

1049
00:51:46,519 --> 00:51:49,079
out or the other, it was not easy.

1050
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,800
Speaker 1: So yeah, it wasn't easy to watch, but it was

1051
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,280
a little annoying just watching him. Like I get why

1052
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,559
he turned back to help his dad who came and

1053
00:51:57,599 --> 00:51:59,880
saved him. Didn't want to leave people behind that were

1054
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:03,320
that were dying fighting for his survival. But you finally

1055
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:07,880
got away, leave, leave with your fucking brother.

1056
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:09,320
Speaker 3: It hurt.

1057
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,639
Speaker 2: It hurt, dude, Fuck that guy.

1058
00:52:12,159 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 3: I get it though, Like Ace isn't weak, right, Like

1059
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,079
he was asked to be like one of the seven

1060
00:52:16,119 --> 00:52:18,280
Warlords prior to ever joining up with white Beard, like

1061
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:21,000
two years of past since then, he wasn't a weak guy.

1062
00:52:21,039 --> 00:52:23,199
He in his mind, he wants to be able to

1063
00:52:23,199 --> 00:52:26,119
help those that are like in his direct vicinity, right,

1064
00:52:26,159 --> 00:52:28,320
that care about him, just like they care about him

1065
00:52:28,599 --> 00:52:31,800
he cares about them, right, So I get it, I

1066
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:32,159
get it.

1067
00:52:32,159 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 4: It makes sense. I think it's good writing.

1068
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 1: But but yeah, sad nonetheless, Oh anything else, guys.

1069
00:52:44,559 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 2: I just want to say one of my favorite moments

1070
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,480
from this arc. I believe it was shown that, like

1071
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,599
when Whitebeard dies is like a flashback to when white

1072
00:52:53,639 --> 00:52:56,920
Beard was still like a pirate, like on some random

1073
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,840
ass crew and everybody's kind of making on the cruis

1074
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:01,800
make fun of him. They're like, what do you dream of?

1075
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,920
And Whitebeard's dream was to have a family, And I'm

1076
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:08,400
like he was able to do that, and I, ah, god,

1077
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:10,880
that's so sad.

1078
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 4: Dude, so sad.

1079
00:53:11,679 --> 00:53:14,159
Speaker 1: He's trying to find the one piece. If white Beer

1080
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,000
was the main character, he would be about finding friends

1081
00:53:17,039 --> 00:53:18,880
and family along the way. M hmm.

1082
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. One of that was one of the the real.

1083
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,800
Speaker 1: One piece, the family made alone in the way one

1084
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:28,760
piece doesn't exist.

1085
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,519
Speaker 2: So before we go, I also want to mention because

1086
00:53:32,559 --> 00:53:36,280
I I I I will, I'll keep this short, but

1087
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,400
I frequent book talk a lot because I also read

1088
00:53:39,599 --> 00:53:43,239
like novels outside of this, so a lot of my

1089
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,440
favorite there's been a surgeons in the book talk community,

1090
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,719
all these girlies who read a bunch of smut and

1091
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:53,920
a bunch of like just books, fantasy, romance. They have

1092
00:53:54,199 --> 00:53:59,639
all started reading one Piece and it has been the funniest,

1093
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,519
like last three weeks. And it was so funny because

1094
00:54:02,519 --> 00:54:04,320
a lot of them will do like updates, we'll read

1095
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,679
like a lot of them just finished Romance down and

1096
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,119
they were all like, oh my god, I feel so bad.

1097
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,599
Choo choo the dog. It broke my heart. I was

1098
00:54:11,639 --> 00:54:14,039
crying so much. And I'm like, these these girlies are

1099
00:54:14,039 --> 00:54:18,039
not ready crying over fucking chu chuo. Oh my god,

1100
00:54:18,159 --> 00:54:20,719
what are you gonna do when you get to water seven?

1101
00:54:21,159 --> 00:54:24,239
What are you gonna do when you get to Marine Ford?

1102
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:28,000
So I am looking forward to seeing all the book

1103
00:54:28,039 --> 00:54:31,599
talk girlies continue their one Piece journey because it's reminding

1104
00:54:31,639 --> 00:54:33,960
me of how I went through mine. So I just

1105
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:37,119
want to mention that because I think it's it's really funny.

1106
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:48,159
You know, we can transition me, dude. It's so funny

1107
00:54:48,159 --> 00:54:52,960
because a lot of the comments are like, finally, like

1108
00:54:53,519 --> 00:54:54,440
literate one.

1109
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 1: Piece readers, Oh no.

1110
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 2: Oh my, oh my god, what is that?

1111
00:55:01,679 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 1: I will say, a lot of weekly chapter reviewers, not

1112
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,440
that they're illiterate in any way it's just they get

1113
00:55:08,559 --> 00:55:12,559
so like in depth about stuff that they're so focused

1114
00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:15,079
on the little things that sometimes, like when you're watching

1115
00:55:15,079 --> 00:55:17,920
someone review something like an entirety of an arc, you

1116
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:22,079
could like appreciate the actual storytelling of it versus like

1117
00:55:22,639 --> 00:55:26,119
this one panel, Well we could justify that this person's

1118
00:55:26,119 --> 00:55:28,960
actually probably this strong, and it's like, well what about

1119
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,079
the Like it's all predictions and they're trying to it's

1120
00:55:31,079 --> 00:55:33,840
all trying to stretch like one chapter into a twenty

1121
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:37,519
minute YouTube video, and it's just so funny. So I

1122
00:55:37,519 --> 00:55:39,559
see where the criticism sometimes comes from.

1123
00:55:40,159 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's been great. I really There's this girl

1124
00:55:43,519 --> 00:55:45,920
I have to find her user name. Her name is Carla.

1125
00:55:46,599 --> 00:55:48,880
I was actually following her for quite some time before

1126
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,880
she started reading one Piece and she got like all

1127
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:55,159
the book Talker released too, So yeah, I will, I

1128
00:55:55,199 --> 00:55:57,519
will let you know how how they go. But read,

1129
00:55:57,599 --> 00:55:59,920
they mostly most of them finished Romance down and they're

1130
00:55:59,920 --> 00:56:02,840
all crying over the dog. So I'm like, oh boy,

1131
00:56:03,119 --> 00:56:04,760
I can't wait till they get to Drum Island.

1132
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 4: Let's go look at the times.

1133
00:56:07,599 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, book book talk girly that like started watching somebody.

1134
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,199
Speaker 4: Else is just oh and along let's go.

1135
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,800
Speaker 1: Okay, so the post war, I don't think it's that

1136
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:24,119
many episodes. I think it's less than twenty episodes. I

1137
00:56:24,119 --> 00:56:26,360
would like to do that for a future a future week,

1138
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:27,559
just all of the post war.

1139
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:33,599
Speaker 2: If I also watch a little bit of, uh, the

1140
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:37,800
backstory of a least Sabo and Loofy. I'm in the

1141
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:41,960
middle of that right now. But I also understand there's like, uh, yeah,

1142
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,159
the post war right after that. So if you just

1143
00:56:44,199 --> 00:56:46,719
give me, like what episode I need to get to,

1144
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:47,480
I'll let you.

1145
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 1: Know, five sixteen, five sixteen.

1146
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,760
Speaker 2: Every five hundred right now, so maybe I can for

1147
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:56,280
sure get there in like two weeks.

1148
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think post war kind of yeah, captures what

1149
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,119
you're doing and then basically just everything for for a

1150
00:57:02,119 --> 00:57:02,559
little bit.

1151
00:57:02,679 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, going on with the straw hats. It kind of

1152
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:08,960
like brings a bunch of stuff together. Absolutely. Actually, you're

1153
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,559
welcome on any time, my friend. Truly. You're always a

1154
00:57:11,559 --> 00:57:14,360
great addition, especially for one piece, very knowledgeable for that.

1155
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 2: Yeah about one piece.

1156
00:57:16,199 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: I believe. Yeah, the Poles War is next, and it's

1157
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,719
up to five hundred and sixteen for everyone wondering, I

1158
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:23,679
gotta go to hockey training now, so I do need

1159
00:57:23,719 --> 00:57:25,840
to run. I hope everyone enjoyed this episode. Thank you

1160
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,320
so much for Sidon for doing this with us.

1161
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 3: Jordan's the he's training his uh, his observation and whatnot,

1162
00:57:34,159 --> 00:57:35,400
like he has conquerors.

1163
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:36,159
Speaker 4: All right, that was.

1164
00:57:36,119 --> 00:57:43,119
Speaker 1: Already hockey training. Imagine I was walking to the chaining

1165
00:57:43,199 --> 00:57:46,079
room for like the training these kids in hockey. It's like, okay,

1166
00:57:46,199 --> 00:57:47,639
and I'm going to train them the way to trade.

1167
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:51,760
Actually a spoiler, I can't even say that, Oh Joe.

1168
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 4: You can't. I know, next time on One Piece Virgin.

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Speaker 1: Alright, later, guys, shimpal and I'll see you all next time.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, guys. Bye boy,