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<v Speaker 1>And now it's time for Joe Escalante live from Hollywood,

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<v Speaker 1>if by Hollywood you mean Burbank across the street from

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<v Speaker 1>a Wienerschnitzel that serves beer.

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<v Speaker 2>Good Evening, America. We're coming to you this week from Utah,

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<v Speaker 2>Salt Lake City's X Games taking place here, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>here traveling with the band Sublime, of course, and you

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<v Speaker 2>are in for two hours of the business end of

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<v Speaker 2>show business as usual right here on KEIB eleven fifty

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<v Speaker 2>over the world live on your iHeartRadio app. And to

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<v Speaker 2>get the podcast, just search my name and whatever podcast

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<v Speaker 2>thing you use and you'll find it a couple hour

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<v Speaker 2>hours after we finish here. Let's go to the movies

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<v Speaker 2>this week. I've got my prediction for the top five

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<v Speaker 2>movies of the weekend. I say will be number one

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<v Speaker 2>and How to Train Your Dragon, followed by Megan two

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<v Speaker 2>point zero twenty eight years later and Elio from Disney Pixar,

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<v Speaker 2>which didn't do very well that last week, so that's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a problem for Disney and Pixar, but you

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<v Speaker 2>know they're used to it, right. What do you need

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<v Speaker 2>to know about Formula one? The movie f one. Are

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<v Speaker 2>you gonna go see it? I'm gonna go see it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's an Apple original, so Apple movie. When Apple does anything,

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<v Speaker 2>they just pour money into it. They don't care about

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<v Speaker 2>the budget, they just don't care. So it hit the theaters

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<v Speaker 2>this weekend. Earlier, it debuted in Europe. And this movie

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<v Speaker 2>comes from a powerhouse team directed by Joseph Kazinski who

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<v Speaker 2>brought us Top Gun Maverick, so you know it's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be the visuals are going to be good. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>produced by Jerry Bruckhimer. He's a legend in action films.

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<v Speaker 2>And you have a kind of a significant layer of

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<v Speaker 2>authenticity with seven time Formula one world champion Lewis Hamilton

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<v Speaker 2>also as a producer on the film. He got Brad

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<v Speaker 2>Pitt playing a guy named Sonny Hayes who sits around

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<v Speaker 2>making up these names that one seems recycled. So he's

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<v Speaker 2>a former Formula one driver from the nineteen nineties whose

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<v Speaker 2>career was cut short by an accident. Okay, Then you

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<v Speaker 2>got Damson Idris as Joshua Pears, a hot shot rookie driver,

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<v Speaker 2>and the film explores the dynamic between a veteran trying

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<v Speaker 2>to make a comeback and a rising star as they

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<v Speaker 2>team up for a struggling fictional Formula One team called APXGP.

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<v Speaker 2>And we also got Javier Bardam in the cast and

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<v Speaker 2>Carrie Condon. But what sets this movie apart, most people

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<v Speaker 2>are saying, is their commitment to realism. But have we

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<v Speaker 2>heard that before?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe much of the action was actually filmed during a

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<v Speaker 2>real Grand Prix or many Grand Prix weekends throughout the

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<v Speaker 2>twenty three to twenty four Formula one seasons. Brad Pitt

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<v Speaker 2>even drove a modified Formula two car on real tracks

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<v Speaker 2>to capture that authentic racing feel. And they worked very

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<v Speaker 2>closely with the Formula one organization to achieve an unprecedented

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<v Speaker 2>level of access and authenticity, they say. And Formula one

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<v Speaker 2>it was revived by a Netflix series, That's what I understand.

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<v Speaker 2>Like it was struggling Netflix series and then it got huge.

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<v Speaker 2>Then my brother in law bought it. Oh sorry, my stepbrother.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a long story, okay, So the story that's a

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<v Speaker 2>story here. You know, I told the other story. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's kind of like an underdog and redemption story set

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<v Speaker 2>against a high stakes world of Formula One. You get it.

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<v Speaker 2>You've seen it before, not just another racing movie. Perhaps

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<v Speaker 2>if it redelivers on this real world, real life stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>you gotta go see it in the IMAX, right or

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<v Speaker 2>the XD at Cinema, Cinema Belitaria.

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<v Speaker 3>You gotta.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I don't want to see you watching it on

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<v Speaker 2>your phone, so I'll probably be doing that, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>say tomorrow. You know, everybody I talk to, like except

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<v Speaker 2>for like, you know, my closest friends or guys in

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<v Speaker 2>my band or people I work with, everything starts off.

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<v Speaker 2>Every conversation nowadays starts off with something like or ends

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<v Speaker 2>or somewhere they have to inject like wow these times, Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>everything is so I mean, you know, everything's so crazy

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<v Speaker 2>or chaotic or oh everybody's suffering. And I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>just like, is anything worse than it's ever been? Hasn't

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<v Speaker 2>it always been like this? I think the only thing

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<v Speaker 2>different is the the media's ability to wind us up

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<v Speaker 2>But I really don't think the world is different. And

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<v Speaker 3>The box office is civil.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's okay, live music thriving, t shirts based

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<v Speaker 3>But I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>People always people trying to bring me down? Are they

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<v Speaker 2>trying to do that to you? It's got a little

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<v Speaker 2>like they say some little speech and they look at

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<v Speaker 2>you like you hate Donald Trump, don't you? I mean

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<v Speaker 2>that's how I'm getting from. Like everybody like, hey, you

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<v Speaker 2>want to join this conversation. I'm like, I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to join any conversation. Hey, how about those bombs in Iran?

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, guess what. Guess what, mister trying to

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<v Speaker 2>convers have a conversation with me, and people just straight

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<v Speaker 2>up ask me, what's your opinion on that? Here's my opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell it to you. I don't have enough information

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<v Speaker 2>idea or the worst idea in the world. And if

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<v Speaker 2>you have that information, wow, good for you. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>I can't get it.

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<v Speaker 2>Because the news just tells you whatever they think you

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<v Speaker 2>want to hear or whatever they want to tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't matter what side you're on. They don't. There's

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<v Speaker 2>probably about eight people in the world that know whether

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<v Speaker 2>that was the right decision or the wrong decision, but

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<v Speaker 2>probably about eight everyone else is shut out. No one's

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<v Speaker 2>getting the info. If you think you have all the info,

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<v Speaker 2>many congratulations. I don't have it, so I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>so I don't have to worry about it.

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<v Speaker 2>When people ask me about this kind of stuff, I

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<v Speaker 2>like to say, I'm just worried about who's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be our next pope. And now we have Pope Leo

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<v Speaker 2>from Chicago, first American pope. Of course, the jury is

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<v Speaker 2>But I have high hopes for him, and I'm always

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<v Speaker 2>positive about the new pope. So this pope, he comforts

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<v Speaker 2>me somewhat. I don't have to worry about the other stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>But wow, here's a good one. I'm speaking of media.

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<v Speaker 2>President Trump is indicated an intent to pursue legal action

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<v Speaker 2>against CNN and The New York Times. The basis for

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<v Speaker 2>this threatened litigation stems from these outlets reporting regarding the

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<v Speaker 2>recent US military strikes and I RAN's nuclear program. President

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<v Speaker 2>Trump stated that these strikes had obliterated Iran's nuclear capabilities. However,

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<v Speaker 2>both CNN and The New York Times published information reportedly

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<v Speaker 2>from a preliminary US Defense Intelligence Agency assessment suggesting the

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<v Speaker 2>strikes resulted in a setback of only a few months.

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<v Speaker 2>Trump's Legal council has formally notified The New York Times,

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<v Speaker 2>meaning they wrote a letter demanding a retraction of its

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<v Speaker 2>reporting and an apology. It's so funny because he knows

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<v Speaker 2>they're not going to retract or apologize, but he does

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<v Speaker 2>it anyway. It's kind of like if you're his wife,

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<v Speaker 2>he'd be like, oh, darling, don't do that. Don't do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Just dunted them, don't do that. I'm going to do it,

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<v Speaker 2>So he did it. The communication characterized the reporting as

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<v Speaker 2>defamatory and unpatriotic. Additionally, President Trump publicly requested that CNN

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<v Speaker 2>terminate the reporter responsible for the breaking the story, Natasha

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<v Speaker 2>Bertrand obviously a Russian spy. Of her name's Natasha right.

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<v Speaker 2>Both CNN and The New York Times have issued statements

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<v Speaker 2>affirming their reporting and expressing support for their journalists. Defense

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<v Speaker 2>Secretary Pete hegsith what I bardied with true story. I

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<v Speaker 2>acknowledged the existence of the preliminary intelligence report. So he said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we have a there's a report, but he didn't say

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<v Speaker 2>it was in it. So do you know, do I know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm back to the same thing. I don't know was it,

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<v Speaker 2>did it obliterate the stuff or not? I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>who knows. All I know is CNN is running around

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<v Speaker 2>trying to find as many stories as they can to

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<v Speaker 2>make the president look bad. And then other people on

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<v Speaker 2>YouTube are running around trying to find any story that

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<v Speaker 2>makes President Trump look good.

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<v Speaker 3>So what can you do?

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<v Speaker 2>All right, I'll continue with this after the traffic Joe

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<v Speaker 2>Escalante Live from Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 4>Hello, this is Crispinglover dot com and you're listening to

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<v Speaker 4>Joe Escalante.

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<v Speaker 2>We are back Joe Escalante Live from Hollywood by Hollywood

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<v Speaker 2>and Member Bank. Okay, now we just we're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>President Trump threatening some kind of litigation against the New

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<v Speaker 2>York Times and CNN for being the New York Times

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<v Speaker 2>and being CNN.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>There's obviously something more to this, and some might say,

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<v Speaker 2>and a cynical person would say, well, this is pretty

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<v Speaker 2>bad because it chills the free speech and these news

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<v Speaker 2>outlets have a right to report on whatever they find

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<v Speaker 2>and if they are, do they have a right to

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<v Speaker 2>mischaracterize it. Well, they have a right to make their

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<v Speaker 2>opinions known. So a cynical person would say that's this

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<v Speaker 2>is chilling free speech. So he shouldn't do it. Like

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<v Speaker 2>I said before, his wife after right before, he was

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<v Speaker 2>about to do this, or go dialing, don't do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't do that dialing. Just don't just leave it alone.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't tell them how to think. Everybody knows CNN

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<v Speaker 2>and New York Times hate you, and they come to

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<v Speaker 2>sit by things. How about you, But you don't.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't have to play their game. Don't don't sink

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<v Speaker 3>to the level. Honey.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what goes on behind closed doors. And this is

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<v Speaker 2>the only show that will that will tell you this.

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<v Speaker 2>I tell you the truth. So okay, legally, can he

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<v Speaker 2>do this threatened litigation? I mean he wins these things.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes I would say no, but then he's suing these

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<v Speaker 2>people like and he's getting settlements out of these news organizations,

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<v Speaker 2>and so he's what he's doing is he's softening them up.

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<v Speaker 2>He's making them be a little more careful because when

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<v Speaker 2>you go and you know, I've worked for Fox News before,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, if they get sued for something or

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<v Speaker 2>they get a lot of grief for something, it sticks

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<v Speaker 2>with them. And then when I make my TV shows

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes I run across it and I get pushback on

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<v Speaker 2>something something that's silly. But they got sued once, so

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<v Speaker 2>there was an embarrassment one. So they tell me, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't say that. Don't say this, and don't say that,

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, I have a legal right to say.

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<v Speaker 2>We all have a legal right to say this. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, or they'll or sometimes they ask they

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<v Speaker 2>would ask me my legal opinion, Hey Joe, do you

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<v Speaker 2>think something will have if we say this about this

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<v Speaker 2>guy that saw the monster? And I'm talking about monsters

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<v Speaker 2>and aliens, so it's not that big a deal. But

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<v Speaker 2>they might say to me, hey, Joe, if we show

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<v Speaker 2>this guy's gravestone, could be something like that. If we

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<v Speaker 2>show this guy's gravestone, I mean, can we can? We

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<v Speaker 2>can we show it his name and stuff? And I'm like, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>what are you talking about? Why are you asking me

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<v Speaker 2>the Sedition Act or something they could be accused of

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<v Speaker 2>to tell the people that he didn't. Now, if they

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<v Speaker 2>have evidence of that, then they could go that route.

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<v Speaker 2>But if it's just, hey, we hate Trump. So this

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<v Speaker 2>He said, it might only be a couple months setback.

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<v Speaker 2>They're allowed to do that.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's a.

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<v Speaker 2>Hard one to win, But I don't know, maybe you

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<v Speaker 2>federal approval from the FTC or the Department of Justice

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<v Speaker 2>or whoever in charge of the antitrust department. To prevent monopolies.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you push back on these things and say

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<v Speaker 2>I hate these things, you're hurting the administration, and you

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<v Speaker 2>bring it to their attention that we want to sue

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<v Speaker 2>you over this. We're not just complaining, We're going to

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<v Speaker 2>take you to court. Then they might behave better because

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<v Speaker 2>they need favors from the government. I don't know what's

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<v Speaker 2>going on over if there's anything like that going on

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<v Speaker 2>over at the La Times, but there certainly is something

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<v Speaker 2>going on like that at CNN because CNN is part

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<v Speaker 2>of Warner Brothers, and Warner Brothers is part of Discovery.

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<v Speaker 2>So Discovery wants to spin off this one all their

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<v Speaker 2>You know, they're trying to re structure their business and

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<v Speaker 3>One of the things they want to do. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>So they might be scared of him, So if you

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<v Speaker 2>go easy on me. Guys, go easy. But could he

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<v Speaker 2>go into a court and win this argument. No, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think so, unless he has proof that there is

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<v Speaker 2>like a spy, and that they're actually working for a

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<v Speaker 2>foreign government and they're trying to bring down the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>Otherwise there's no way to win this. And I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>saying they're not trying to bring down the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>They could be, but they that could be any proof anywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>But he doesn't care. He's just playing his game. They're

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<v Speaker 2>playing a game against him, He's playing a game against them.

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<v Speaker 2>On Thursday, I was sitting at the Beach House restaurant

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<v Speaker 2>Seal Beach, and I look up the TV and it's

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<v Speaker 2>all kinds of P Diddy news going on.

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<v Speaker 3>So what happened with P Diddy this week?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they wrapped up things, say, they wrapped up The

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<v Speaker 2>defense wrapped up their case and uh, prosecutors already wrapped

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<v Speaker 2>their case. So now it goes to the journey. So

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<v Speaker 2>we'll see what happens. That'll it's going to be a while.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, what do you think will happen to Diddy?

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<v Speaker 2>I think he could I think a hard time getting

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<v Speaker 2>a conviction out of it. It won't be automatic, but sometimes,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think of all things were equal, but

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes if the the tipping point comes where people just

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<v Speaker 2>hate this guy, they're not afraid of him, and they

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<v Speaker 2>just have already said he's bad. He's bad, he's bad,

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<v Speaker 2>he's bad. There's nothing that you can do. But if

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<v Speaker 2>you just looked at the elements of the crime and said,

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<v Speaker 2>did the prosecutor prove these beyond a reasonable doubt? It

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<v Speaker 2>starts to get crazy, Like, I don't know if you

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<v Speaker 2>can do that. Can you prove the existence of an

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<v Speaker 2>enterprise that he used to facilitate and cover up his

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<v Speaker 2>criminal activities? That means he has to you know, there

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<v Speaker 2>had to be like a board of directors or other

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<v Speaker 2>employees they were helping him do this. That's hard and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if he can and a pattern of

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<v Speaker 2>racketeering activity. They have to prove that Combs agreed to

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<v Speaker 2>participate in an enterprise in the enterprise affairs through a

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<v Speaker 2>pattern of racketeering activity. This means proving he or members

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<v Speaker 2>of the enterprise committed at least two predicate acts of

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<v Speaker 2>specific illegal activities. So at least two to do sex trafficking,

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<v Speaker 2>forced labor, kidnapping, arts and bribery, drug distribution, obstruction of justice.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you can put two of those together, I

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<v Speaker 2>guess you got some racketeering and there has to be

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<v Speaker 2>these agreements. You have to prove that they agreed to

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<v Speaker 2>do this, Like what if they just you know, people

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<v Speaker 2>did it and then they if they did it because

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<v Speaker 2>they were afraid of Diddy and they followed his instructions.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, is that different than agreeing than someone coming

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<v Speaker 2>up to Diddy and saying, I agree, this is a

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<v Speaker 2>good idea to traffic With these people, it's different anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll see, jury will be out.

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<v Speaker 3>But sometimes they don't care.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't follow the law or anything. They just said

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<v Speaker 2>we hate the guy. Anybody, I dare anybody here to

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<v Speaker 2>vote not guilty, And then you get kind of stuff

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<v Speaker 2>like that. All right, Joe Scalante live from Hollywood. Stick

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<v Speaker 2>a break, We'll come. Oh, all air breathers, this is

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<v Speaker 2>SpongeBob square Pants and you are filling your ear holes

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<v Speaker 2>with Joe Escalante.

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<v Speaker 3>Joe Escalante live from Hollywood. We are back.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, KiB eleven fifty on your AM dial here in

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<v Speaker 2>the fine state of Utah, coming to you as we

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<v Speaker 2>do from remote locations every now and then. So, what's

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<v Speaker 2>going on in the Disney World, Disneyland specifically, because this

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<v Speaker 2>is a show about southern California. First, and foremost big

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<v Speaker 2>news for parkgoers in anahuh. Just in the last couple

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<v Speaker 2>of days, Disneyland has announced plans for a brand new

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<v Speaker 2>transportation hub on the east side of the resort. This

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<v Speaker 2>is like you know, Harbor Area. It's a massive project.

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<v Speaker 2>It's part of this larger Disneyland Forward expansion they keep

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<v Speaker 2>talking about, and it's designed to supposedly improve parking and

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<v Speaker 2>traffic flow. The new hub will feature around six thousand

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<v Speaker 2>parking spaces, plus indicated areas for shuttles and ride sharers,

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<v Speaker 2>with direct access off Disney Way. Concept art that's over

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<v Speaker 2>by the five Freeway. Concept art that I've seen hints

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<v Speaker 2>at a pedestrian bridge over Harbor Boulevard.

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<v Speaker 3>That'd be nice.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you Have you ever seen that Harbor and Catella

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<v Speaker 2>that that intersection. Wow, there's a lot of families waiting

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<v Speaker 2>to get run over there. But now there will be

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<v Speaker 2>a you know, some kind of civilized bridge. How do

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<v Speaker 2>you like that? I went to Disneyland on Tuesday, actually

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<v Speaker 2>went on Thursday.

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<v Speaker 3>Also, what did I do? Yeah, I'm on Thursday and Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a grown up.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, every once in a while, it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>more friends that say Hey, you want to go, and

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<v Speaker 2>then I go with them. It's not like I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>like I got to go to do the live Little

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<v Speaker 3>It's my Disneyland voice. All right, Oh, I got some.

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<v Speaker 2>Some sports news I don't usually have. This is a

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<v Speaker 2>new thing. It's a significant legal move in the sports world.

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<v Speaker 2>University of Wisconsin, the Badgers, that's where my niece just

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<v Speaker 2>graduated from, issuing University of Miami alleging that Miami, that

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<v Speaker 2>Miami University intentionally induced a star athlete to break breaches,

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<v Speaker 2>record breaking name image and likeness contracts and transfer to Miami,

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<v Speaker 2>costing the University of Wisconsin millions. Now, this is a

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<v Speaker 2>direct legal challenge to the burgeoning nil landscape, that's name, image,

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<v Speaker 2>and likeness. We've talked about this a little bit in

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<v Speaker 2>college sports. It goes down to high school too. It

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<v Speaker 2>suggests that institutions are willing to sue each other over

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<v Speaker 2>alleged poaching and contract interference in this new and lucrative

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<v Speaker 2>and often loosely regulated environment of name, image and likeness.

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<v Speaker 2>Deals are deals that allow amateur players to make money.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, for a.

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<v Speaker 2>While, it was like this is amateur sports and this

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<v Speaker 2>is professional sports. It was like it was illegal, like

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<v Speaker 2>you go to jail if you're making any money off

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<v Speaker 2>of your amateur sports career. But then as time went

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<v Speaker 2>on and people started realizing how many billions of dollars

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<v Speaker 2>are made by the universities with their football broadcasts, chiefly,

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<v Speaker 2>the tide turned and people said, well, I shouldn't the

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<v Speaker 2>students athletes make some money. But then it gets weird.

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<v Speaker 2>They're all making a lot of money.

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<v Speaker 3>I got.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I see him around my town in Los Alamitos,

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<v Speaker 2>be some senior with a one hundred thousand dollars car

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<v Speaker 2>because they made a deal with them and they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to control for rights to his name, image and likeness.

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<v Speaker 2>They're going to give him money, and they're making commercials,

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<v Speaker 2>or they could promise to make commercials in the future.

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<v Speaker 2>And now they just got a whole lot more litigious

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<v Speaker 2>because people are saying saying, hey, they have these portals

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<v Speaker 2>where people can leave their school and go into a portal. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>if you convince somebody if someone has a contract with

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<v Speaker 2>one what's the legalities Someone has a contract with a name,

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<v Speaker 2>image and likeness deal attached to a school and they

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<v Speaker 2>breach it, you know there's going to be some contract

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<v Speaker 2>law will come in and say, okay, you breach something.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's not a crime to breach a contract,

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<v Speaker 2>but someone might have to be made whole. You can't

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<v Speaker 2>go to jail for breaching a contract. It's just a

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<v Speaker 2>civil case that would happen. And they would say, I

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<v Speaker 2>lost ten million dollars when you breach this contract because

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<v Speaker 2>I anticipated this, this, and this, I didn't draft other players,

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<v Speaker 2>I only drafted you, and now we were going to

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<v Speaker 2>make all this money. And now I'm not because you

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<v Speaker 2>breach the agreement, and which you can, but you have

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<v Speaker 2>to make me whole. So you have to pay some

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<v Speaker 2>kind of penalty to make me whole because you're obviously

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<v Speaker 2>leaving this contract because you think you're going to make

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<v Speaker 2>more money somewhere else. Okay, give me some of that money,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and next time come to see me, and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe I'll just to let you go if you tell

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<v Speaker 2>me how much money you're gonna give me. But if

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<v Speaker 2>you leave, you know, people get mad. So the legal

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<v Speaker 2>theory that they usually use is something called a tortious

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<v Speaker 2>interference with contract, meaning you got a contract, someone interferes

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<v Speaker 2>to get you to breach it for their benefit. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a torte, a civil case tortious and they take

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<v Speaker 2>you to court and the jury deliberates and decides whether

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<v Speaker 2>you breach the contract, whether the person in question breached

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<v Speaker 2>the contract, and whether someone induced him to. Did someone

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<v Speaker 2>say hey, I will give you this if you breach

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<v Speaker 2>that contract, and then you got your damages. You got

431
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<v Speaker 2>to prove your damages basically, I mean it's more than

432
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<v Speaker 2>just saying, well, you promised them a million dollars, give

433
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<v Speaker 2>me that million dollars. Now you got you approve your

434
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<v Speaker 2>damages and you might get them.

435
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<v Speaker 3>But now these are kids that are breaching these agreements.

436
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<v Speaker 2>Now, if a kid has a tantrum, he doesn't really

437
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<v Speaker 2>understand the legal ramifications. He talks to his lawyers, and

438
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<v Speaker 2>his lawyers say, yeah, you can go. Well, I mean,

439
00:26:22.519 --> 00:26:24.440
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna have to just defend this lawsuit, but yeah,

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00:26:24.480 --> 00:26:26.960
<v Speaker 2>we got that. We'll make a few million dollars out

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<v Speaker 2>of that. You'll see it on your bill, and we'll

442
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<v Speaker 2>get you out of it. Yeah, it'll be ten million

443
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<v Speaker 2>in legal fees, but you'll be able to leave and

444
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<v Speaker 2>go play at the school that you want to play.

445
00:26:36.880 --> 00:26:39.079
<v Speaker 2>And the kid's gonna think, well, if I play at

446
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<v Speaker 2>this other school. I'm gonna get have a better career

447
00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:43.880
<v Speaker 2>going to protein. I'm gonna make hundreds of millions of dollars.

448
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<v Speaker 2>So ten million dollars in litigation costs, that's nothing. I

449
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<v Speaker 2>don't care. But are these kids really equipped to make

450
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<v Speaker 2>those decisions or you know, they're little league parents. There's

451
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<v Speaker 2>a question I don't have an answer to. All Right,

452
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<v Speaker 2>I got another lawsuit for you. I'm gonna blow your

453
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<v Speaker 2>mind today with this one. Well, maybe not. Maybe it's

454
00:27:04.200 --> 00:27:08.880
<v Speaker 2>kind of boring though. Okay, there's a couple of lawsuits

455
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<v Speaker 2>involving intellectual property that are in the news this week.

456
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<v Speaker 2>One of them is there's a small one and a

457
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<v Speaker 2>big one. Let's start with the small one. Okay, the

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<v Speaker 2>music publishers, a group of seventeen publishing companies. We're suing

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<v Speaker 2>X for copyright infringement because they said, we're not gonna

460
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<v Speaker 2>let you use our songs anymore unless you make a

461
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<v Speaker 2>new deal. And then they, you know, keep using them

462
00:27:38.559 --> 00:27:42.480
<v Speaker 2>and then they say, okay, it's copyright infringement, and then

463
00:27:42.440 --> 00:27:47.759
<v Speaker 2>they assue them. And now the judge has granted the

464
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<v Speaker 2>case in ninety days stay that means a pause so

465
00:27:51.920 --> 00:27:57.079
<v Speaker 2>they can work out a settlement, meaning they are talking

466
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<v Speaker 2>and probably gonna make a settlement, and then they will

467
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<v Speaker 2>create a new licensing agreement between the major music right

468
00:28:04.039 --> 00:28:08.200
<v Speaker 2>holders and the massive social media platform. The outcome could

469
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<v Speaker 2>set a precedent for how music is used and licensed

470
00:28:11.839 --> 00:28:16.440
<v Speaker 2>another social media platforms impacting revenue streams for artists and publishers.

471
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<v Speaker 2>And they are real and I kind of live off

472
00:28:17.920 --> 00:28:21.680
<v Speaker 2>them right now. So is Elon Musk finally ready to

473
00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:25.400
<v Speaker 2>settle this case? Or is this just a pause for

474
00:28:25.480 --> 00:28:28.319
<v Speaker 2>round two? We'll see, you know, they pause and try

475
00:28:28.359 --> 00:28:31.400
<v Speaker 2>to settle, and if they can, they do, and if

476
00:28:31.400 --> 00:28:33.720
<v Speaker 2>they can't, they go back to their corners and get

477
00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:38.079
<v Speaker 2>ready to continue the fight. But it's a rather expensive fight,

478
00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:42.960
<v Speaker 2>so they you know, they should set up anyway. Let's

479
00:28:43.000 --> 00:28:45.039
<v Speaker 2>take a break on and when I come back, I'm

480
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<v Speaker 2>going to tell you about this an AI case that

481
00:28:49.160 --> 00:28:54.359
<v Speaker 2>actually went before a judge and it's been a substantive

482
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<v Speaker 2>law has come out of this that will govern how

483
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<v Speaker 2>AI models are allowed to continue the training models. Can

484
00:29:06.680 --> 00:29:08.839
<v Speaker 2>they use copyrighted works in these training models? Well, we

485
00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:09.319
<v Speaker 2>have a case.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Joe'scalante live from Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 4>Hello, this is John Crier from two and a half men,

489
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<v Speaker 4>and you're listening to Joe Escalante.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Scalante, here's my lawyer. You don't want money.

491
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<v Speaker 2>Joe Scalante live from Hollywood, coming to you from the

492
00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:46.000
<v Speaker 2>X Games out here in Salt Lake City, And.

493
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<v Speaker 3>I got a case for you. Man.

494
00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:51.119
<v Speaker 2>This is this is a good one. This is major landmark.

495
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<v Speaker 2>It will govern the creation of AI models for some

496
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<v Speaker 2>time to come. The if you're using AI, I usually

497
00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:10.119
<v Speaker 2>use mostly Google Gemini, but Chat, GBT or other ones.

498
00:30:11.480 --> 00:30:14.200
<v Speaker 2>You know, this kind of depends on what you're comfortable with.

499
00:30:17.079 --> 00:30:22.119
<v Speaker 2>What do I use them for everything? Okay, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>company called Anthropic AI, and we have a verdict. They

501
00:30:27.839 --> 00:30:33.200
<v Speaker 2>sued a group of authors sued Anthropic and it said

502
00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:36.400
<v Speaker 2>they copyrighted their books without permission. So here's what they're doing.

503
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<v Speaker 2>They have to train their AI robots to know stuff.

504
00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:43.640
<v Speaker 2>So they got to feed them everything. Like if I

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<v Speaker 2>come into my Google Gemini right now and say, hey,

506
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<v Speaker 2>what's the difference between the Tom Sawyer book and the

507
00:30:54.599 --> 00:30:58.519
<v Speaker 2>Huckleberry Finn book. Now it's going to go through, it's

508
00:30:58.559 --> 00:31:01.000
<v Speaker 2>gonna read it's already read them, or it's gonna read

509
00:31:01.000 --> 00:31:02.359
<v Speaker 2>them real fast. And then it's gonna tell me, it's

510
00:31:02.359 --> 00:31:05.359
<v Speaker 2>gonna give me an analysis. Okay, those books are in

511
00:31:05.400 --> 00:31:09.839
<v Speaker 2>the public domain. What if it says, what if I say, hey,

512
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<v Speaker 2>give me a comparison of the novelization of What's Upon

513
00:31:16.680 --> 00:31:22.519
<v Speaker 2>a Time in Hollywood and the Beastie Boys book. So

514
00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:25.839
<v Speaker 2>got to read both of them. Where does it get them?

515
00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:28.400
<v Speaker 2>Can it do that? And then it spits out an

516
00:31:28.400 --> 00:31:31.920
<v Speaker 2>answer to me, is it allowed to use those copywriting

517
00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:35.599
<v Speaker 2>materials to tell me an answer? What kind of world

518
00:31:35.599 --> 00:31:37.519
<v Speaker 2>do we want to live in? Is kind of how

519
00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:41.480
<v Speaker 2>I usually phrase these things. Do we want to live

520
00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:43.880
<v Speaker 2>in a world where the AI is allowed to do that?

521
00:31:44.599 --> 00:31:48.240
<v Speaker 2>Or do we want to say they can't? And so

522
00:31:48.279 --> 00:31:50.400
<v Speaker 2>the AI companies have to make a deal with every

523
00:31:50.440 --> 00:31:55.480
<v Speaker 2>single author on Earth, every single thing on Wikipedia, every

524
00:31:55.519 --> 00:32:00.559
<v Speaker 2>single thing in the Encyclopedia Britannica, every single thing in

525
00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:07.240
<v Speaker 2>the Harry Potter encyclopedia. I use Harry Potter because she's

526
00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:09.240
<v Speaker 2>in the news. I don't know if you heard about that.

527
00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:13.279
<v Speaker 2>There's a bookstore in San Francisco that has refused to

528
00:32:13.319 --> 00:32:16.440
<v Speaker 2>sell any more HK. Rowling books because of her stance

529
00:32:16.680 --> 00:32:21.240
<v Speaker 2>on transgenders or whatever. So that's in the news this week.

530
00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:21.440
<v Speaker 3>Too.

531
00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:26.920
<v Speaker 2>That's a brief digression. Should they be allowed to ban

532
00:32:27.079 --> 00:32:32.759
<v Speaker 2>her books a San Francisco bookstore? Is that illegal? No,

533
00:32:33.160 --> 00:32:37.759
<v Speaker 2>it's just book banning. Book banning is not illegal. So

534
00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:42.200
<v Speaker 2>they're banning books in San Francisco, perfectly legal. It's a

535
00:32:42.200 --> 00:32:45.200
<v Speaker 2>private company. They don't want to sell JK. Rowling books.

536
00:32:45.680 --> 00:32:55.079
<v Speaker 2>They don't have to, Okay, Anthropic, Where do they get

537
00:32:55.119 --> 00:32:57.920
<v Speaker 2>their books? Well, that's why we have a split decision

538
00:32:57.960 --> 00:32:59.279
<v Speaker 2>in this case, and it has to do with where

539
00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:05.359
<v Speaker 2>they got this stuff. Can they let's start with this one.

540
00:33:06.039 --> 00:33:11.440
<v Speaker 2>Can they use their books to train their AI models?

541
00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:17.160
<v Speaker 2>They argue that training on copyrighted material these authors did

542
00:33:17.839 --> 00:33:23.279
<v Speaker 2>without a license constituted unauthorized copying. So are they copying

543
00:33:23.359 --> 00:33:26.799
<v Speaker 2>or are they just reading? I guess they copy it

544
00:33:26.839 --> 00:33:28.519
<v Speaker 2>to go in one part of the computer to the

545
00:33:28.519 --> 00:33:30.799
<v Speaker 2>other or is it just reading.

546
00:33:31.039 --> 00:33:32.319
<v Speaker 3>Well, the judge said.

547
00:33:33.880 --> 00:33:37.440
<v Speaker 2>That anthropics use of copyrighted books to train its large

548
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<v Speaker 2>language models LMS, that's what they are, does qualify as

549
00:33:43.559 --> 00:33:48.319
<v Speaker 2>a fair use under the US copyright law. Okay, before

550
00:33:48.359 --> 00:33:49.839
<v Speaker 2>we do this, I want to give you a little

551
00:33:49.839 --> 00:33:54.400
<v Speaker 2>brief recap on the fair use doctor, because we have

552
00:33:54.759 --> 00:33:57.839
<v Speaker 2>talked to that many times. But you know, there's four

553
00:33:57.880 --> 00:34:01.720
<v Speaker 2>major prongs, and we got to keep them in mind.

554
00:34:01.759 --> 00:34:03.799
<v Speaker 2>This is the fair use doctrine. People are always coming

555
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<v Speaker 2>to me and say, I can do this because it's

556
00:34:05.720 --> 00:34:08.280
<v Speaker 2>a fair use. I can do that. It's a fair use. Oh,

557
00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:10.679
<v Speaker 2>I can do a parody. It's a parody, So I

558
00:34:10.719 --> 00:34:13.679
<v Speaker 2>can do whatever I want. That's not true and fitting.

559
00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:16.719
<v Speaker 2>But if you do qualify for the fair use doctrine,

560
00:34:16.840 --> 00:34:19.400
<v Speaker 2>you can use other people's copyrighted work. You don't have

561
00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:21.159
<v Speaker 2>to give them credit, you don't have to pay them

562
00:34:21.199 --> 00:34:23.719
<v Speaker 2>any money, and you don't need their permission. Okay, So

563
00:34:23.800 --> 00:34:26.599
<v Speaker 2>that's the holy grail where people want to get to

564
00:34:26.719 --> 00:34:29.119
<v Speaker 2>so they can use all this stuff and make mashups

565
00:34:29.159 --> 00:34:31.360
<v Speaker 2>and derivative works, et cetera. It's not that easy to

566
00:34:31.360 --> 00:34:36.400
<v Speaker 2>get there. To get there, you have to satisfy these

567
00:34:36.440 --> 00:34:40.880
<v Speaker 2>prongs or you just have to be You're going to

568
00:34:40.920 --> 00:34:43.320
<v Speaker 2>be judged on whether you've satisfied any of those prongs,

569
00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:45.079
<v Speaker 2>or some of those prongs, or all of those prongs.

570
00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:48.920
<v Speaker 2>Here are the prongs. The number one prong when trying

571
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<v Speaker 2>if you're trying to take something and use parts of

572
00:34:54.159 --> 00:34:57.119
<v Speaker 2>it for some other project without paying or getting permission.

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<v Speaker 2>This is what the courts will look at when you

574
00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:04.280
<v Speaker 2>get sued. The look at the nature, the purpose and

575
00:35:04.360 --> 00:35:10.119
<v Speaker 2>character of the work, like the why and how. They

576
00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:13.599
<v Speaker 2>tend to favor things that are transformative. Remember that word

577
00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:18.840
<v Speaker 2>transformative meaning the new work adds new meaning, expression, or

578
00:35:18.880 --> 00:35:23.360
<v Speaker 2>a message to the original, like criticism. If you have criticism,

579
00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:28.199
<v Speaker 2>they're transforming the work into criticism of the work, commentary,

580
00:35:28.599 --> 00:35:32.760
<v Speaker 2>news reporting, teaching, scholarship, or parody. Now that's when parody

581
00:35:32.800 --> 00:35:39.800
<v Speaker 2>comes in. If Weird Al Yankovic takes a song and

582
00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:43.440
<v Speaker 2>changes the lyrics and makes it funny, how transformative is that?

583
00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:47.679
<v Speaker 2>I think you could argue with it. All it's doing

584
00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:51.079
<v Speaker 2>is transforming it. It's not transforming it at all. Really,

585
00:35:51.159 --> 00:35:54.639
<v Speaker 2>it's just changing the words. So that's a derivative work.

586
00:35:54.679 --> 00:35:57.159
<v Speaker 2>You got to get permission. Now, what if you take

587
00:35:57.199 --> 00:36:01.960
<v Speaker 2>a song and mock that song with some other words

588
00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:05.159
<v Speaker 2>that that don't just mock something else like oh I'm fat,

589
00:36:05.239 --> 00:36:08.480
<v Speaker 2>or like a surgeon like weird A Yankovic songs. But

590
00:36:08.519 --> 00:36:13.639
<v Speaker 2>what if you mocked a song by saying, okay, this

591
00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:17.480
<v Speaker 2>song by Taylor Swift, shake it off. If you change

592
00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:19.400
<v Speaker 2>the words, I'm gonna be really bad now because I'm

593
00:36:19.400 --> 00:36:21.239
<v Speaker 2>making this up at the top of my head, and

594
00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:24.079
<v Speaker 2>you said fake it off, okay, fake it off, and

595
00:36:24.119 --> 00:36:27.320
<v Speaker 2>then you went through and criticize this song as being

596
00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:30.360
<v Speaker 2>a fake pop song. It's not really good. It's fake.

597
00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:34.239
<v Speaker 2>It has no value, and she knows it and she's pretending,

598
00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:37.800
<v Speaker 2>so she's gonna fake it off. Okay, Now you're making

599
00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:40.880
<v Speaker 2>fun of the you're doing it, and I don't believe that.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's it's an amazing song.

601
00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:46.360
<v Speaker 2>But but if that was your position, you could record that,

602
00:36:46.679 --> 00:36:50.559
<v Speaker 2>you could use her work, and I think you may

603
00:36:50.719 --> 00:36:54.960
<v Speaker 2>have a good chance of prevailing in court saying, look,

604
00:36:55.000 --> 00:36:57.159
<v Speaker 2>I have a right to comment on this song, and

605
00:36:57.360 --> 00:36:58.800
<v Speaker 2>the best way to comment on the song. The way

606
00:36:58.840 --> 00:37:01.559
<v Speaker 2>I do it is I have to steal from the song.

607
00:37:01.599 --> 00:37:03.320
<v Speaker 2>I have to use parts of the song.

608
00:37:03.960 --> 00:37:04.199
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

609
00:37:04.239 --> 00:37:08.119
<v Speaker 2>The second prong the nature of the copyrighted work. Is

610
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<v Speaker 2>it facts? If it's factual, Generally, courts are more likely

611
00:37:13.159 --> 00:37:16.679
<v Speaker 2>to consider fair use. If it's highly creative, fictional or imaginative,

612
00:37:17.519 --> 00:37:20.239
<v Speaker 2>very low chance of getting a fair use, And if

613
00:37:20.280 --> 00:37:22.000
<v Speaker 2>it's unpublished, forget it.

614
00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:22.360
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

615
00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:25.760
<v Speaker 2>Number three the amount that you use and substantiality did

616
00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:27.760
<v Speaker 2>you have to use the whole song. Well maybe it

617
00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:29.320
<v Speaker 2>did because you had a beginning, middle, and an end

618
00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:33.079
<v Speaker 2>and the effect of what you did on the original work,

619
00:37:33.159 --> 00:37:35.039
<v Speaker 2>did it ruin the market for it?

620
00:37:35.199 --> 00:37:37.079
<v Speaker 3>That kind of thing. Okay.

621
00:37:37.119 --> 00:37:41.599
<v Speaker 2>So anyways, in this AI course case, it said that, okay,

622
00:37:41.679 --> 00:37:43.119
<v Speaker 2>this is the crux of the whole case.

623
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<v Speaker 3>Then I'll let you go.

624
00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:49.480
<v Speaker 2>By copying books and putting them in this AI model.

625
00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:54.639
<v Speaker 2>It's a transformative use, okay, because it trained. These AI

626
00:37:54.719 --> 00:37:57.320
<v Speaker 2>models are trained upon works, not to race ahead and

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<v Speaker 2>replicate them or supplant them, like ruining the market for them,

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<v Speaker 2>but they are there to create something new and different

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<v Speaker 2>out of them otherwise. So it's a machine to create

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<v Speaker 2>transformative work. So she said, you can do that, But

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<v Speaker 2>where do they get these books? They got them from

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<v Speaker 2>pirated libraries, a lot of them. They just they like

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<v Speaker 2>these people that are putting them in. They go, where

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<v Speaker 2>are we going to get the books to put in

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<v Speaker 2>this thing? Oh, here's a website that steals books and

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<v Speaker 2>puts them up online and they use that. Okay, you can't.

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<v Speaker 2>So the court said, you can't use that. You can

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<v Speaker 2>do it, but you can't get them from pirated sites

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<v Speaker 2>because then that's not fair. So I think what the

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<v Speaker 2>court is trying to say is is if you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to do these models, you got to buy the books. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>you pay for them, or you get a license for them,

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<v Speaker 2>and then it's legal, or you can because you can

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<v Speaker 2>buy a book and then you can do whatever you

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<v Speaker 2>want with it, like at first use kind of a doctrine.

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<v Speaker 2>But so just go ahead and do this. Don't steal

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<v Speaker 2>the books. So that's the law now, and that's the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Joe's Goance live from Hollywood, Hollywood can be Burbank. And

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<v Speaker 2>I now leave you with just the taste of the

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<v Speaker 2>greatest song ever written.