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<v Speaker 1>Right. What about there's this girl then and named Lucy

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<v Speaker 1>let Be. I hope you've not heard of her, because

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<v Speaker 1>it wouldn't be fair if you had heard of her.

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<v Speaker 1>That's fine, she's a nurse. Just wondering if you've got

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<v Speaker 1>any feelings if she's been if she's guilty, you're not guilty,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. I'll show you the picture of her on

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<v Speaker 1>screen and then I'll tell you about it.

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<v Speaker 2>And where country is this? Then that she's UK.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's the right one. So that's when she was

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<v Speaker 1>a nurse.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, what are they accusing her of.

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to say, that's one picture. Her name

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<v Speaker 1>is Lucy let Be. I'm going to show you another

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<v Speaker 1>one because it's relevant because I think you can find

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<v Speaker 1>out people by looking at them. This is after a

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<v Speaker 1>little while in custody. Mm hmmm, same person, but she's

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<v Speaker 1>obviously drained there a little bit. So she's been charged

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<v Speaker 1>with a huge crime. Seven murders and babies and seven

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<v Speaker 1>attempted murders. It's there any chance in the world she

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<v Speaker 1>could be guilty or the other way around, innocent.

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<v Speaker 2>Hm hmmm.

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<v Speaker 1>The country is split on it at the moment.

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<v Speaker 2>It's strange because the first The first thought that came

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<v Speaker 2>to me though, was somebody who has access to the facility.

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<v Speaker 2>Health facility. But here's the problem. I mean, do they

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<v Speaker 2>have a lot of evidence against hers?

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<v Speaker 1>It was mainly circumstantial. I think she was on duty

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<v Speaker 1>when they when the babies died, but say, was everybody

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<v Speaker 1>else on duty? She's had doctors and trust managers be

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<v Speaker 1>lazy and and yeah, blame her for smooth things.

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<v Speaker 2>But the other day, Yeah, I don't think it's her.

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<v Speaker 3>It's she's been framed. I'm picking up she's getting framed.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I saw different hands at work. I saw hands

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<v Speaker 2>that were not hers. I saw somebody. Oh well, it

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<v Speaker 2>just feels like, could I say if they're male or female?

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<v Speaker 2>Possibly female? I felt darker skin, possibly bigger stature. The

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<v Speaker 2>hands were bigger. So when I look at this, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't. She's been in trouble before for other stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Medications is one thing I get. I also feel that

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<v Speaker 2>she's a bit of a target because they've she's had

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<v Speaker 2>run ins with with the law.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh dear, and hundred percentual on that one. But what

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<v Speaker 1>is clear though, if she's done anything wrong, it's been

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<v Speaker 1>mild medical negligence. The murder yeah. Yeah, she's the type

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<v Speaker 1>of person that would speak out and you know and say,

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<v Speaker 1>look it's not me, it's them. But she's being framed. Basically,

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<v Speaker 1>we think now the Canadian neonatal expert in the world

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<v Speaker 1>that everybody believes in I can't think of his name

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<v Speaker 1>at this minute. He's came forward. He's a Chinese man.

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<v Speaker 1>He came forward as say, look, there's no evidence that

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<v Speaker 1>she was ever ever a murderer. So they've got a

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<v Speaker 1>team of five or six experts around the world and

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<v Speaker 1>now the UK Criminal Investigations people that look at miscarriage

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<v Speaker 1>of justice, they have to look at it and decide

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<v Speaker 1>if there's a retrial. I justin I put that in

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<v Speaker 1>because there's a lot of people that might be listening

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<v Speaker 1>that I've sent this to this these groups and Lucy

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<v Speaker 1>let be groups because yeah, I don't know. I've always

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<v Speaker 1>from the beginning I thought no. And then it's difficult

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<v Speaker 1>when someone gets convicted for the rest of their life.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh it's yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very difficult to know who's who.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess something around September for a trial.

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<v Speaker 1>That would work because they said about four or five months, Oh, is.

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<v Speaker 2>That any fell around September there's there's some witness or

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<v Speaker 2>some alibis or something to her testimony, which is kind

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<v Speaker 2>of important. So there's people who are kind of speaking

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<v Speaker 2>up for her. The problem is is that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>is this a hate crime? Is this something that was motivated?

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<v Speaker 2>The thing is, I do feel that things been kind

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<v Speaker 2>of hard for her emotionally personally, and that's why I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like she's vulnerable.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's a shame.

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<v Speaker 2>I get pisces around her for some reason, which is

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<v Speaker 2>at the end of the month.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me see if I can get I did see

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<v Speaker 1>it something about a birthday.

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<v Speaker 2>That could mean that maybe the trial is set next

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<v Speaker 2>month or at the end of this month or something

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<v Speaker 2>like that. It's very delayed though.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. No, she's actually at the trial because she's been

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<v Speaker 1>convicted of all these murders, but she's never looking for

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<v Speaker 1>a retrial or acquittal. She's actually January the fourth.

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<v Speaker 2>So maybe something is set in motion in February or

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<v Speaker 2>March about a retrial. She could. The only thing that

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of worry about those I hear the people

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<v Speaker 2>or the lawyers that are representing her talking about, well,

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<v Speaker 2>they're they're giving some serious languages to the degree of

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<v Speaker 2>the murdered degrees in this and the only thing I'm

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<v Speaker 2>worried about is they don't think there will be an

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<v Speaker 2>acquittal so this so I'm reading two things here, is

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<v Speaker 2>that possibly this was done by somebody else. But on

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<v Speaker 2>the other hand, her own representatives don't feel too positive

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<v Speaker 2>about her outcome.

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<v Speaker 3>So it comes down to perhaps criminal negligence causing death

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<v Speaker 3>as a third degree murder charge rather than second or

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<v Speaker 3>first degree something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Something like that. And then if I'm looking, oh, she's

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<v Speaker 2>thirty seven or thirty eight. They heard thirty eight. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, thirty seven thirty eight. I also feel that, boy,

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<v Speaker 2>this could go on for a couple of years.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true as well. Well.

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<v Speaker 3>If there's multiple counts of homicide involved, then that's another

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<v Speaker 3>issue as well, because it's not just one count, so

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<v Speaker 3>that would add.

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<v Speaker 2>It's each case, each case, each case in one case

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<v Speaker 2>has brought in big focus by somebody. So one of

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<v Speaker 2>these cases is they've got some big people in on it.

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't even be surprised if that. Maybe they have

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<v Speaker 2>city council or somebody from the higher ups on this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they've got the top lawyer in the country for

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<v Speaker 1>miscarriages of justice, and it says here in the last

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<v Speaker 1>couple of days, it said an international panel of medical

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<v Speaker 1>experts of frust Lucy let me back into the spotlight.

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<v Speaker 1>At a press conference Thursday, convened by a legal team,

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<v Speaker 1>the experts cast out of the former nurses conviction, let

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<v Speaker 1>Me was given fifteen holo sentences for murdering seven babies

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<v Speaker 1>and attempting to murder seven more. Don't worry about the

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<v Speaker 1>other one. I don't understand that one because that's fourteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Where's the other one? But anyway, Speaking at the press

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<v Speaker 1>conference in London, retired neonatologist Dr Shue Lee told the

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<v Speaker 1>assembled reporters, in all cases deforet injury were due to

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<v Speaker 1>natural causes or just at the very worst, bad medical

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<v Speaker 1>care by multiple people. And he said, we take doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Lee's word for it well, in part because he's the

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<v Speaker 1>author of a key paper on air embolisms, one of

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<v Speaker 1>the methods that let Me was accused of using to

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<v Speaker 1>kill these babies, which formed a key part of the

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<v Speaker 1>prosecution's evidence at the trial. I could we didn't read it, but.

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<v Speaker 2>There there were other problems besides her, So I don't

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<v Speaker 2>I don't feel it was it was the problems, has said.

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<v Speaker 2>I think she's responsible for her duties at Doctor Slady,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think there are other factors involved with these deaths,

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<v Speaker 2>not just her.

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<v Speaker 1>Cure.

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<v Speaker 3>Could there be a vaccine injury issue that is involved?

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<v Speaker 2>M God? Going through each one is okay, Well, not

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<v Speaker 2>to get too graphic, but some of the some of

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<v Speaker 2>the cases that I feel, I get hemorrhage, blood clots,

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<v Speaker 2>I get something of some kind of brain injury.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that would fit. All those symptoms would fit the

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<v Speaker 3>vaccine injury scenario. And it has been the case that

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<v Speaker 3>things like shape can baby syndrome have been blamed on

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<v Speaker 3>guardians like parents, when in fact it was a vaccine

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<v Speaker 3>induced injury that caused brain hemorrhage.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of these things. So are we talking about infants.

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<v Speaker 3>Or yes, sudden infant death syndrome type of events.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I feel like some of these people were two

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<v Speaker 2>or three facilities before this happened. Okay, yeah, so in

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<v Speaker 2>my eyes, you know, you have to take each case,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to see where it goes to hmm. But

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<v Speaker 2>I don't feel that, Like I said, I saw other hands.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw other people handling the situation, not just her. Ah.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, It's like I see other doctors, so I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not looking at personnel in the same place. I'm feeling

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<v Speaker 2>other places, other situations. I also get prescriptions for drugs

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<v Speaker 2>that were very questionable and toxic. So there's a whole

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of factors with this. But honestly, this lady that

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<v Speaker 2>lucyher is her name. Yeah, it's kind of like everybody's

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<v Speaker 2>trying to find somebody to blame on this, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>what makes us really hard because she almost has to

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<v Speaker 2>go through every case. But she was already convicted.

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<v Speaker 1>You said, Yeah, she's already convicted and in prison for well,

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<v Speaker 1>I know it sounds a bit weird me saying this,

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<v Speaker 1>but in my little in my little head, because it's

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<v Speaker 1>only my little head that thinks. Because you can talk

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<v Speaker 1>or see how animals are feeling. Now, I was thinking

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<v Speaker 1>that in a similar way. You know, someone's really done

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<v Speaker 1>wrong to babies. You know, they must technically be an

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<v Speaker 1>animal of a human nature, So you might have picked

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<v Speaker 1>up some kind of vibration whether she was evil or not,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, And that's kind of why I thought treating

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<v Speaker 1>the animal. But I think it's overwhelming evidence. Well, it's

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<v Speaker 1>been in the news anyway, It's not factual, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>been in the news that there's multiple people at fault,

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<v Speaker 1>but not one person actually did all the murders. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what they're thinking.

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<v Speaker 2>There were circumstances and also one you know, one child

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<v Speaker 2>being treated somewhere and then being treated somewhere else, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's a hard thing. It's not like they all landed

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<v Speaker 2>right there and it all happened right there. There were

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<v Speaker 2>other cases of health problems. Hold on one second, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to sorry. I got this song pop up on

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<v Speaker 2>my computer. The thing that I get about her, I know,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I see the picture of her kind of

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<v Speaker 2>smile than the one where she's not in the prison shot.

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<v Speaker 2>The one where she's not is what I'm getting the

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<v Speaker 2>image of her. I do feel some some anger issues.

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<v Speaker 2>I also get, you know, for a thirty seven year old,

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<v Speaker 2>quite a lot of emotional issues going on with her,

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<v Speaker 2>and also not being able to speak on her behalf

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<v Speaker 2>or defense because I think that attorneys have told her

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<v Speaker 2>not to.

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<v Speaker 1>HM.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm kind of questioning her her you know, legal

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<v Speaker 2>counsel as well, and if it's with the right legal counsel, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, she manages to sack the previous council that that

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<v Speaker 1>maybe they made mistakes. I mean, the new lawyer now said, look,

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<v Speaker 1>we can't blame the legal team because this is not

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<v Speaker 1>we're here for now. The court wouldn't listen anyway. We're

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<v Speaker 1>going to have to what happens happened, and we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to need to move on to try and get her acquitted.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's where that stands now.

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<v Speaker 2>And is it a male or female that's in charge now?

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<v Speaker 2>It's a male okay, And it was a female before.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure to be fair, it was a team

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<v Speaker 1>of them.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. Well, there's going to be a lot of work

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<v Speaker 2>on it. I think they may come up with some

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<v Speaker 2>new information on the case in August of this year.

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<v Speaker 3>Ah.

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<v Speaker 2>It just feels like a long term thing.