Speaker 1: Right. What about there's this girl then and named Lucy
Speaker 1: let Be. I hope you've not heard of her, because
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be fair if you had heard of her.
Speaker 1: That's fine, she's a nurse. Just wondering if you've got
Speaker 1: any feelings if she's been if she's guilty, you're not guilty,
Speaker 1: you know. I'll show you the picture of her on
Speaker 1: screen and then I'll tell you about it.
Speaker 2: And where country is this? Then that she's UK.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's the right one. So that's when she was
Speaker 1: a nurse.
Speaker 2: Okay, what are they accusing her of.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, that's one picture. Her name
Speaker 1: is Lucy let Be. I'm going to show you another
Speaker 1: one because it's relevant because I think you can find
Speaker 1: out people by looking at them. This is after a
Speaker 1: little while in custody. Mm hmmm, same person, but she's
Speaker 1: obviously drained there a little bit. So she's been charged
Speaker 1: with a huge crime. Seven murders and babies and seven
Speaker 1: attempted murders. It's there any chance in the world she
Speaker 1: could be guilty or the other way around, innocent.
Speaker 2: Hm hmmm.
Speaker 1: The country is split on it at the moment.
Speaker 2: It's strange because the first The first thought that came
Speaker 2: to me though, was somebody who has access to the facility.
Speaker 2: Health facility. But here's the problem. I mean, do they
Speaker 2: have a lot of evidence against hers?
Speaker 1: It was mainly circumstantial. I think she was on duty
Speaker 1: when they when the babies died, but say, was everybody
Speaker 1: else on duty? She's had doctors and trust managers be
Speaker 1: lazy and and yeah, blame her for smooth things.
Speaker 2: But the other day, Yeah, I don't think it's her.
Speaker 3: It's she's been framed. I'm picking up she's getting framed.
Speaker 2: Because I saw different hands at work. I saw hands
Speaker 2: that were not hers. I saw somebody. Oh well, it
Speaker 2: just feels like, could I say if they're male or female?
Speaker 2: Possibly female? I felt darker skin, possibly bigger stature. The
Speaker 2: hands were bigger. So when I look at this, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't. She's been in trouble before for other stuff.
Speaker 2: Medications is one thing I get. I also feel that
Speaker 2: she's a bit of a target because they've she's had
Speaker 2: run ins with with the law.
Speaker 1: Oh dear, and hundred percentual on that one. But what
Speaker 1: is clear though, if she's done anything wrong, it's been
Speaker 1: mild medical negligence. The murder yeah. Yeah, she's the type
Speaker 1: of person that would speak out and you know and say,
Speaker 1: look it's not me, it's them. But she's being framed. Basically,
Speaker 1: we think now the Canadian neonatal expert in the world
Speaker 1: that everybody believes in I can't think of his name
Speaker 1: at this minute. He's came forward. He's a Chinese man.
Speaker 1: He came forward as say, look, there's no evidence that
Speaker 1: she was ever ever a murderer. So they've got a
Speaker 1: team of five or six experts around the world and
Speaker 1: now the UK Criminal Investigations people that look at miscarriage
Speaker 1: of justice, they have to look at it and decide
Speaker 1: if there's a retrial. I justin I put that in
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of people that might be listening
Speaker 1: that I've sent this to this these groups and Lucy
Speaker 1: let be groups because yeah, I don't know. I've always
Speaker 1: from the beginning I thought no. And then it's difficult
Speaker 1: when someone gets convicted for the rest of their life.
Speaker 2: Oh it's yeah.
Speaker 1: It's very difficult to know who's who.
Speaker 2: I guess something around September for a trial.
Speaker 1: That would work because they said about four or five months, Oh, is.
Speaker 2: That any fell around September there's there's some witness or
Speaker 2: some alibis or something to her testimony, which is kind
Speaker 2: of important. So there's people who are kind of speaking
Speaker 2: up for her. The problem is is that, you know,
Speaker 2: is this a hate crime? Is this something that was motivated?
Speaker 2: The thing is, I do feel that things been kind
Speaker 2: of hard for her emotionally personally, and that's why I
Speaker 2: feel like she's vulnerable.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a shame.
Speaker 2: I get pisces around her for some reason, which is
Speaker 2: at the end of the month.
Speaker 1: Let me see if I can get I did see
Speaker 1: it something about a birthday.
Speaker 2: That could mean that maybe the trial is set next
Speaker 2: month or at the end of this month or something
Speaker 2: like that. It's very delayed though.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, she's actually at the trial because she's been
Speaker 1: convicted of all these murders, but she's never looking for
Speaker 1: a retrial or acquittal. She's actually January the fourth.
Speaker 2: So maybe something is set in motion in February or
Speaker 2: March about a retrial. She could. The only thing that
Speaker 2: I kind of worry about those I hear the people
Speaker 2: or the lawyers that are representing her talking about, well,
Speaker 2: they're they're giving some serious languages to the degree of
Speaker 2: the murdered degrees in this and the only thing I'm
Speaker 2: worried about is they don't think there will be an
Speaker 2: acquittal so this so I'm reading two things here, is
Speaker 2: that possibly this was done by somebody else. But on
Speaker 2: the other hand, her own representatives don't feel too positive
Speaker 2: about her outcome.
Speaker 3: So it comes down to perhaps criminal negligence causing death
Speaker 3: as a third degree murder charge rather than second or
Speaker 3: first degree something like that.
Speaker 2: Something like that. And then if I'm looking, oh, she's
Speaker 2: thirty seven or thirty eight. They heard thirty eight. I
Speaker 2: don't know, thirty seven thirty eight. I also feel that, boy,
Speaker 2: this could go on for a couple of years.
Speaker 1: That's true as well. Well.
Speaker 3: If there's multiple counts of homicide involved, then that's another
Speaker 3: issue as well, because it's not just one count, so
Speaker 3: that would add.
Speaker 2: It's each case, each case, each case in one case
Speaker 2: has brought in big focus by somebody. So one of
Speaker 2: these cases is they've got some big people in on it.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't even be surprised if that. Maybe they have
Speaker 2: city council or somebody from the higher ups on this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they've got the top lawyer in the country for
Speaker 1: miscarriages of justice, and it says here in the last
Speaker 1: couple of days, it said an international panel of medical
Speaker 1: experts of frust Lucy let me back into the spotlight.
Speaker 1: At a press conference Thursday, convened by a legal team,
Speaker 1: the experts cast out of the former nurses conviction, let
Speaker 1: Me was given fifteen holo sentences for murdering seven babies
Speaker 1: and attempting to murder seven more. Don't worry about the
Speaker 1: other one. I don't understand that one because that's fourteen.
Speaker 1: Where's the other one? But anyway, Speaking at the press
Speaker 1: conference in London, retired neonatologist Dr Shue Lee told the
Speaker 1: assembled reporters, in all cases deforet injury were due to
Speaker 1: natural causes or just at the very worst, bad medical
Speaker 1: care by multiple people. And he said, we take doctor
Speaker 1: Lee's word for it well, in part because he's the
Speaker 1: author of a key paper on air embolisms, one of
Speaker 1: the methods that let Me was accused of using to
Speaker 1: kill these babies, which formed a key part of the
Speaker 1: prosecution's evidence at the trial. I could we didn't read it, but.
Speaker 2: There there were other problems besides her, So I don't
Speaker 2: I don't feel it was it was the problems, has said.
Speaker 2: I think she's responsible for her duties at Doctor Slady,
Speaker 2: but I think there are other factors involved with these deaths,
Speaker 2: not just her.
Speaker 1: Cure.
Speaker 3: Could there be a vaccine injury issue that is involved?
Speaker 2: M God? Going through each one is okay, Well, not
Speaker 2: to get too graphic, but some of the some of
Speaker 2: the cases that I feel, I get hemorrhage, blood clots,
Speaker 2: I get something of some kind of brain injury.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would fit. All those symptoms would fit the
Speaker 3: vaccine injury scenario. And it has been the case that
Speaker 3: things like shape can baby syndrome have been blamed on
Speaker 3: guardians like parents, when in fact it was a vaccine
Speaker 3: induced injury that caused brain hemorrhage.
Speaker 2: Some of these things. So are we talking about infants.
Speaker 3: Or yes, sudden infant death syndrome type of events.
Speaker 2: Because I feel like some of these people were two
Speaker 2: or three facilities before this happened. Okay, yeah, so in
Speaker 2: my eyes, you know, you have to take each case,
Speaker 2: you have to see where it goes to hmm. But
Speaker 2: I don't feel that, Like I said, I saw other hands.
Speaker 2: I saw other people handling the situation, not just her. Ah.
Speaker 2: You know, It's like I see other doctors, so I'm
Speaker 2: not looking at personnel in the same place. I'm feeling
Speaker 2: other places, other situations. I also get prescriptions for drugs
Speaker 2: that were very questionable and toxic. So there's a whole
Speaker 2: bunch of factors with this. But honestly, this lady that
Speaker 2: lucyher is her name. Yeah, it's kind of like everybody's
Speaker 2: trying to find somebody to blame on this, and that's
Speaker 2: what makes us really hard because she almost has to
Speaker 2: go through every case. But she was already convicted.
Speaker 1: You said, Yeah, she's already convicted and in prison for well,
Speaker 1: I know it sounds a bit weird me saying this,
Speaker 1: but in my little in my little head, because it's
Speaker 1: only my little head that thinks. Because you can talk
Speaker 1: or see how animals are feeling. Now, I was thinking
Speaker 1: that in a similar way. You know, someone's really done
Speaker 1: wrong to babies. You know, they must technically be an
Speaker 1: animal of a human nature, So you might have picked
Speaker 1: up some kind of vibration whether she was evil or not,
Speaker 1: you know, And that's kind of why I thought treating
Speaker 1: the animal. But I think it's overwhelming evidence. Well, it's
Speaker 1: been in the news anyway, It's not factual, but it's
Speaker 1: been in the news that there's multiple people at fault,
Speaker 1: but not one person actually did all the murders. That's
Speaker 1: what they're thinking.
Speaker 2: There were circumstances and also one you know, one child
Speaker 2: being treated somewhere and then being treated somewhere else, and
Speaker 2: it's a hard thing. It's not like they all landed
Speaker 2: right there and it all happened right there. There were
Speaker 2: other cases of health problems. Hold on one second, I'm
Speaker 2: going to sorry. I got this song pop up on
Speaker 2: my computer. The thing that I get about her, I know,
Speaker 2: you know, I see the picture of her kind of
Speaker 2: smile than the one where she's not in the prison shot.
Speaker 2: The one where she's not is what I'm getting the
Speaker 2: image of her. I do feel some some anger issues.
Speaker 2: I also get, you know, for a thirty seven year old,
Speaker 2: quite a lot of emotional issues going on with her,
Speaker 2: and also not being able to speak on her behalf
Speaker 2: or defense because I think that attorneys have told her
Speaker 2: not to.
Speaker 1: HM.
Speaker 2: So I'm kind of questioning her her you know, legal
Speaker 2: counsel as well, and if it's with the right legal counsel, you.
Speaker 1: Know, she manages to sack the previous council that that
Speaker 1: maybe they made mistakes. I mean, the new lawyer now said, look,
Speaker 1: we can't blame the legal team because this is not
Speaker 1: we're here for now. The court wouldn't listen anyway. We're
Speaker 1: going to have to what happens happened, and we're going
Speaker 1: to need to move on to try and get her acquitted.
Speaker 1: So that's where that stands now.
Speaker 2: And is it a male or female that's in charge now?
Speaker 2: It's a male okay, And it was a female before.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure to be fair, it was a team
Speaker 1: of them.
Speaker 2: Okay. Well, there's going to be a lot of work
Speaker 2: on it. I think they may come up with some
Speaker 2: new information on the case in August of this year.
Speaker 3: Ah.
Speaker 2: It just feels like a long term thing.