Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand.
Speaker 2: In the eighteen hundreds, Hans Christian Andersen wrote a short
Speaker 2: tale with Great Insight. This tale was about two dishonest
Speaker 2: weavers Maybe you remember it, I'm sure you do, claiming
Speaker 2: to be creating this new suit made out of invisible
Speaker 2: thread that was to be warned by the Emperor himself
Speaker 2: it's going to be his new duds. These two weavers
Speaker 2: informed the Emperor that the suit is designed so that
Speaker 2: it would only look invisible or appear invisible to those
Speaker 2: who were not fit for their position in life, where
Speaker 2: they were lacking competence or just plain stupid. The two
Speaker 2: weavers even went so far as to pretend to personally
Speaker 2: dress the Emperor. They went through it all minding every
Speaker 2: action of a real tailor as they went on their way.
Speaker 2: Now I know you know the story. This point, everyone,
Speaker 2: even the Emperor, pretended not to see the suit. I mean,
Speaker 2: if they saw the suit, he'd have to admit that
Speaker 2: maybe he was not in the right station at life,
Speaker 2: or maybe he was stupid, maybe he lacked competence, so
Speaker 2: he didn't say anything. So everyone pretended not to see
Speaker 2: the suit, even though they could not just so they
Speaker 2: would not appear to look incompetent or foolish. That's one
Speaker 2: type of yes man. Yes man who doesn't want to
Speaker 2: look silly or foolish or incompetent. That says yes or
Speaker 2: concurs with everything, with the hopes of never never having
Speaker 2: the light shined on them pointing out their flaws. But
Speaker 2: ultimately there's going to be someone, let's hope, someone so
Speaker 2: bold to stand up. And in the case of the
Speaker 2: Hans Christian Andersen story, ultimately it took the raw honesty
Speaker 2: of a child to stand up to yell out. The
Speaker 2: emperor has no clothes, the man is naked. Nobody's seeing
Speaker 2: that the man is naked. This lovely cautionary tale predates
Speaker 2: Andersen's writings, actually with Spanish, Arab and Jewish versions of sorts.
Speaker 2: Why well, because the concept of going with the flow
Speaker 2: or lying to get ahead has been around since the
Speaker 2: beginning of time. This is nothing new.
Speaker 3: So in a.
Speaker 2: Child's fairy tale and a short story, the moral continues
Speaker 2: to bash you on the head to try and teach you.
Speaker 2: Zach Zeips, an American retired professor of German at the
Speaker 2: University of Minnesota, wrote about Hans Christian Andersen and The
Speaker 2: Emperor's New Clothes, saying it was a tale of the
Speaker 2: courage of one's conviction and that sight becomes insight, which
Speaker 2: in turn prompts action. You gotta love that. I'm very
Speaker 2: well put. Essentially, if you see something wrong, speak up
Speaker 2: and change it. In other words, don't yeah, yes man.
Speaker 2: The truth is that when people gain power by listening
Speaker 2: to the honest criticisms of others, that's how they grow.
Speaker 2: That is the part of the process. They are going
Speaker 2: to gain power. You are going to get better, gain strength, authority, power, stability.
Speaker 3: When you.
Speaker 2: Listen to good, honest criticism. Scripture says that there is
Speaker 2: wisdom in a multitude of counsel and if you're listening
Speaker 2: to the right people, then you're getting good words and
Speaker 2: good understanding. So the truth is that people gain power,
Speaker 2: the very power most people think or seek, whether it's
Speaker 2: hopefully to be used for good. So you gain this
Speaker 2: power by listening to the honest criticisms of others. And
Speaker 2: when you refuse to listen to those who really love
Speaker 2: you enough to be honest with you, you're going to fail.
Speaker 2: That's why gaining success is so much easier than keeping success.
Speaker 2: When you're climbing, you take all the tips you can get,
Speaker 2: But when you're standing on top of the mountain, it
Speaker 2: seems that no one, no one, not even the closest
Speaker 2: people to you, can tell you anything unless Heaven forbid,
Speaker 2: they agree with you. So you ask other people as
Speaker 2: you're trying to gain power or growing something, and you're
Speaker 2: listening to everyone all their honest criticism, and that becomes productive.
Speaker 2: But the minute you gain success, then you ignore everyone.
Speaker 2: This is why gaining success is always easier than keeping success.
Speaker 2: Don't ever get to that place where you're just looking
Speaker 2: for people to agree with you. Scripture says in Proverbs
Speaker 2: twelve twenty two, the Lord detests lying lips, but he
Speaker 2: delights in men who are truthful. It is so important
Speaker 2: that you are truthful with the people in your life,
Speaker 2: especially the ones you love. There's just some bizarre things
Speaker 2: that go on in relationships. I've never understood how a
Speaker 2: true friend, a real true friend, would rather pretend they
Speaker 2: don't see the spinach any other friend's teeth, of course,
Speaker 2: leading them to the embarrassing situation of hearing it from
Speaker 2: a stranger, then to step up and tell them, hey,
Speaker 2: you have spinach in your teeth. How could that be wrong?
Speaker 2: How could that be hard or difficult to point that
Speaker 2: out when you know someone's going to and I know
Speaker 2: that this example may be benign. But if you aren't
Speaker 2: honest about the little things in life, you won't be
Speaker 2: honest about the big things either. Scripture points this out
Speaker 2: very clearly. Luke sixteen to ten says whoever can be
Speaker 2: trusted with very little can also be trusted with very much,
Speaker 2: And whoever is dishonest with very little will also be
Speaker 2: dishonest with much. There's no line there that if you
Speaker 2: can master this in the small things, if you're able
Speaker 2: to do the small things in life and be righteous
Speaker 2: on those things, then the larger things will not be
Speaker 2: as difficult. There's a lot of opportunity for you just to
Speaker 2: just to tell somebody what they want to hear. But
Speaker 2: to one end? Is this to benefit you? Is this
Speaker 2: so you'll be liked? Or are you like some of
Speaker 2: these klingons that seem in these stories are just people
Speaker 2: who are trying to get material goods or get some
Speaker 2: fame themselves. Maybe hopefully it'll rub off or all look
Speaker 2: like I'm one of their confidants.
Speaker 3: No, you don't look like one of their confidants.
Speaker 2: You look like a yes man, someone who has no
Speaker 2: backbone or thought of their own, just somebody who will
Speaker 2: say whatever it takes to get a smile of the
Speaker 2: person they're trying to manipulate. It's easy to get caught
Speaker 2: up when you're having times of success and you're hitting
Speaker 2: a good stride to want to surround yourself with the
Speaker 2: people that you think are good partners, and often, unfortunately,
Speaker 2: that means people that are just saying what you want
Speaker 2: them to say. We've looked at the fact that Luke
Speaker 2: sixteen ten says whoever can be trusted with very little
Speaker 2: can also be trusted with much, and whoever is dishonest
Speaker 2: with very little will be dishonest with much. A good
Speaker 2: rule to understand that a good person is going to
Speaker 2: be a good person in the big times and heavy
Speaker 2: times and the small times. But this all works both ways.
Speaker 2: You should be honest with those around you, and you
Speaker 2: should want to surround yourself with honest people as well.
Speaker 2: Exodus eighteen twenty one says, but select capable men from
Speaker 2: all the people, Men who fear God, trustworthy men who
Speaker 2: hate dishonest gain in cases like that, The Bible is
Speaker 2: clear when it warns you not to help the wicked
Speaker 2: by lying for them. Exodus twenty three, do not spread
Speaker 2: false reports. Do not help a wicked man by being
Speaker 2: a malicious witness, essentially being you know, going on the
Speaker 2: stand and defending someone whose actions are indefensible. Telling someone
Speaker 2: the lies they want to hear while they are hurting themselves. Similarly,
Speaker 2: is like taking a bribe to help the wicked, and
Speaker 2: you end up being a part of that. You're either
Speaker 2: their yes man or you are the type that are
Speaker 2: welcoming yes men into your circle because it's much easier
Speaker 2: than having a mirror held up and having to be accountable.
Speaker 2: A key word that pops up on this program all
Speaker 2: the time, accountability. Deuteronomy sixteen, nighte teen and twenty says,
Speaker 2: do not pervert justice or show partiality, meaning always the
Speaker 2: straight line is the straight line is the straight line.
Speaker 2: Don't try and justify something for your own gain. It
Speaker 2: goes on to say, do not accept a bribe for
Speaker 2: a bribe blinds the eyes of the wise and twists
Speaker 2: the words of the righteous. Follow justice and justice alone,
Speaker 2: so that you may live and possess the land. The
Speaker 2: Lord your God is giving you. So this is saying, listen,
Speaker 2: I get that there's short gain or what seems like
Speaker 2: short gain out there, that you can do things and
Speaker 2: you got a bribe, or you get this here, you
Speaker 2: get that.
Speaker 3: There, you get the.
Speaker 2: Love intention of people. But if you do this, then
Speaker 2: even your good heart, even your good intentions, will start
Speaker 2: to blur like the blind eyes of the wise, because
Speaker 2: now the words, the righteous words of the righteous man,
Speaker 2: become twisted. And now there's an agenda. And you know,
Speaker 2: when money's involved or things are involved, the agenda always
Speaker 2: gets twisted, right, there's always this thick agenda no matter
Speaker 2: what when money is involved. And it's sad because good
Speaker 2: people are taken down and sick people are ignored. Worse
Speaker 2: than all of this, bad people continue to do bad
Speaker 2: things because no one speaks up. Yes, the truth can hurt,
Speaker 2: but the sting of the truth lasts only a moment. However,
Speaker 2: the lies of a so called friend can destroy you
Speaker 2: for life. You have to remember that. Susan, Welcome to
Speaker 2: the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 1: Good morning, Jesus. How are you I am well? How
Speaker 1: are you I'm great? My question is what is hell?
Speaker 1: And where do we find reference to a description of
Speaker 1: hell in the Bible.
Speaker 2: Okay, there are many, and I do want to clarify
Speaker 2: that this show does not promote the kind of universalism
Speaker 2: everyone goes to heaven or there's like soul sleep or destruction,
Speaker 2: anything other than scriptural, which is there will be those
Speaker 2: that choose God and will go on with eternal life
Speaker 2: with God, and those that reject God and will go
Speaker 2: on with life in the rejection of God.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't buy his whole story.
Speaker 2: Is really kind of where it lands, and so that
Speaker 2: it's becoming popular now. And the truth is people don't
Speaker 2: want to be accountable. And the problem in a lot
Speaker 2: of this is that think about it. If Hell is
Speaker 2: so unbelievable and doesn't seem righteous, then heaven must seem
Speaker 2: unbelievable and unrighteous, because no one deserves heaven. So if
Speaker 2: no one deserves hell, then no one deserves heaven. And
Speaker 2: the interesting use of the word here in Matthew twenty five,
Speaker 2: verse twenty six, it says, and these will go away
Speaker 2: into eternal punishment. It goes on to say, but the
Speaker 2: righteous into eternal life. The word there for eternal in
Speaker 2: both cases is aonious in the Greek, and it means eternal.
Speaker 2: So if these people don't go away into eternal punishment,
Speaker 2: then the righteous don't go to eternal life. But what
Speaker 2: is the punishment, Well, the punishment really and as far
Speaker 2: as the verses, and I'll give you some verses you
Speaker 2: can look up. You've got Matthew eighteen to eight. Second
Speaker 2: Thessalonians one, eight and nine that talks about the everlasting chains,
Speaker 2: the eternal fire that people talk about Jude seven, the
Speaker 2: outer darkness Matthew eight twelve, the wrath of God Romans
Speaker 2: two five, the lake that burns with fire, and brimstone
Speaker 2: Revelation twenty one to eight. A place prepared for Satan
Speaker 2: and his angels Matthew twenty five forty one. So there
Speaker 2: are many that are talked about, but I'll put it
Speaker 2: to you this way. God is everywhere. So there are
Speaker 2: a lot of theologians that debate back and forth Susan about, well,
Speaker 2: so is God in hell? And there are those that
Speaker 2: just emphatically say, no, God is not in hell. But
Speaker 2: technically God would have to be everywhere. However, the salvation
Speaker 2: of God is not in hell. And so imagine it
Speaker 2: this way. There are a lot of people I know
Speaker 2: that hate water. They can't stand it. They do not
Speaker 2: like the taste of water, and they'll tell you right
Speaker 2: out to your face they don'tdrink water, but they do.
Speaker 2: They don't drink water in water form, they don't go
Speaker 2: and get a glass of water, But in every juice,
Speaker 2: every soda, every piece of fruit, everything that they do
Speaker 2: eat or drink has some water in it. And so
Speaker 2: they're getting the benefits of that water, thinking they're not
Speaker 2: drinking any water. Likewise, there are people that walk this
Speaker 2: earth that don't believe in God that get the benefit
Speaker 2: of God even though they don't go to a church
Speaker 2: or don't experience typical companionship with other Christians or any
Speaker 2: of that. They get it through other believers coming by them,
Speaker 2: or the way other believers run their life kind of
Speaker 2: overflows under them. So likewise, like they're drinking all these
Speaker 2: other liquids and they're saying they're not drinking water, they
Speaker 2: really are. That even the atheist or the non believer
Speaker 2: is reaping benefits of this world just by living in
Speaker 2: this world where other Christians are. So imagine a place
Speaker 2: where now those Christians are subtracted and God in the
Speaker 2: sustinary sense is subtracted and now all you have is
Speaker 2: that thirst and the absence of anything that can quench it. So,
Speaker 2: staying with the analogy, if you imagine that person who
Speaker 2: says they don't like water, but they get it and
Speaker 2: everything else that they drink. Now they're in a desert
Speaker 2: that has nothing, none of that, no water, and no
Speaker 2: fruit and no you know, soda pop and none of that.
Speaker 2: And now they're really feeling the power of what water
Speaker 2: is in any form, yet they can't get it. Essentially,
Speaker 2: that is hell. It's the absence of the salvation or
Speaker 2: sustaining power of God. So that the Some argue that
Speaker 2: it's literal fire and brimstone, and some argue that it's not.
Speaker 2: Some argue the physical attributes of hell really don't matter.
Speaker 2: The truth of the matter is that it is the
Speaker 2: absence and unpleasant because it's the true realization. It's if
Speaker 2: somebody picks up a gun, points it at someone else,
Speaker 2: thinks that the gun is fake, squeezes the trigger, and
Speaker 2: kills someone. They can't now understand the weight of the situation.
Speaker 2: Go okay, I want I want a do over. I
Speaker 2: want that bullet back in the gun, and that person alive.
Speaker 2: Can't you would live with that forever. That action is
Speaker 2: a one time action that will go on forever. If
Speaker 2: you kill someone done, that action is forever. Well, imagine
Speaker 2: rejecting God and now you've you've made the choice to
Speaker 2: reject God for the sixty seventy eighty ninety one hundred
Speaker 2: measlely years you're on this planet. God won't force you
Speaker 2: to love him for eternity, which is all eternity is
Speaker 2: and heaven is. So he says, I'll let you go
Speaker 2: somewhere where I'm not and you can be there. They
Speaker 2: will realize the weight of it in its fullness, but
Speaker 2: they've made the choice based on everything they could know,
Speaker 2: the same choice everyone else did, and the weight of
Speaker 2: the decision often is looked at as well, Gosh, it
Speaker 2: seems so, it seems so, you know, like so heavy,
Speaker 2: But so is heaven. Heaven is not, you know, not
Speaker 2: something that a person should be able to receive any
Speaker 2: more than Hell is. But it's done based on justice,
Speaker 2: you know that, because certain things that you do, depending
Speaker 2: on who you do them, have different consequences. So Susan,
Speaker 2: for instance, if you were to hit a brother or sister,
Speaker 2: that would be wrong. You slap them in the face.
Speaker 2: That'd be wrong, but you're you know, parents might break
Speaker 2: it up and say, okay, well they're young, they're just
Speaker 2: being silly. If you were to slap your parent, same act,
Speaker 2: different consequence, right, Okay, Now now you take that, Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: I remember, that'd be a big consequence. Now you take
Speaker 2: that and you do the same act and you slap
Speaker 2: law enforcement, same act, different consequence. Right now you're looking
Speaker 2: at possible jail time, same act, total different consequence. Now,
Speaker 2: the same act that you did to your brother or
Speaker 2: sister that might have just been broken up by mom
Speaker 2: and dad, and then you hit your mom and that
Speaker 2: becomes something different. Now you're punished by your dad or
Speaker 2: vice versa, and then law enforcement comes in you slap them.
Speaker 2: Now there's possible jail time. So what we've learned is
Speaker 2: that the same act done upon different people can have
Speaker 2: different consequences. So now think about slapping the face and
Speaker 2: rejecting the Holy and righteous, true, eternal God. The punishment,
Speaker 2: by definition susan has to be eternal. And so although
Speaker 2: it doesn't seem fair, really, the more you look at it,
Speaker 2: the more fair it is. And I never hear people saying, gosh,
Speaker 2: it's so unfair that I get to go to heaven
Speaker 2: because I believe no, And that's equally as unfair, but
Speaker 2: it's based on justice. And the justice in this case
Speaker 2: is that God so loved the world that he gave
Speaker 2: his only begotten son and let him come and die,
Speaker 2: that whoever would believe in him would have that price
Speaker 2: paid for and have everlasting life. And those that reject
Speaker 2: that God loves them enough to say, okay, I will
Speaker 2: allow you to reject that. Imagine if you had a
Speaker 2: child who didn't want to live with you, didn't want
Speaker 2: to be with you, and it's freezing outside and there's
Speaker 2: no food and there's no warmth, and you love them
Speaker 2: and you're trying to you're trying to get them, but
Speaker 2: you can't force them because that's no longer love. So
Speaker 2: you let them go and they die outside. It's like
Speaker 2: they That's what hell is. It's it's the ultimate act
Speaker 2: of freedom on behalf of a human being that abolishes
Speaker 2: all freedom. It just is someone who says, I don't
Speaker 2: want it, I'm sorry, don't care, don't want it, don't
Speaker 2: love God here, won't don't want to love him for eternity,
Speaker 2: and he says, okay, not my will be done, but
Speaker 2: I will apparently.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for explaining that so well. I've
Speaker 1: heard you say, for the hell is an absence of God, yes,
Speaker 1: and and I really wasn't getting what absence of God meant.
Speaker 2: It's really more the absence of His salvation basically. Basically,
Speaker 2: it's the absence of Me, the absence of Christ, and
Speaker 2: the absence of the sustaining power of God, which is
Speaker 2: the Holy Spirit, the interacting, the comforter all these things.
Speaker 2: But God has to be everywhere. So God is, you know,
Speaker 2: authoritative over all things. But God is not present in
Speaker 2: the same way that he's present here on Earth. That's
Speaker 2: why when people say, you know, earth is hell, No
Speaker 2: it's not. There's still that's there. You're still getting water
Speaker 2: out of the fruit punch. You know, there's still You're
Speaker 2: still getting bits of God and the benefit of God
Speaker 2: looking over this place. Even when things are horrible because
Speaker 2: of choice as man has made, uh it, you know,
Speaker 2: you're still getting those things there. And people forget that
Speaker 2: and don't get it until it's all gone. And in
Speaker 2: that absence that reality will be purer than ever. However,
Speaker 2: there is enough of it there for people to make
Speaker 2: the whole decision, just like picking up that gun. Well,
Speaker 2: it might be fake, yeah, but it might not. It
Speaker 2: has the weight, it has the shape, it has.
Speaker 3: All those things.
Speaker 2: You pull the trigger, you should expect to think that
Speaker 2: it could kill, and that even people that work in
Speaker 2: film and television that work with guns that have been
Speaker 2: modified to use as blanks. You've used with blanks, treat
Speaker 2: them like real weapons on the set if they're doing
Speaker 2: it right, because you know, there's even actors that have
Speaker 2: been killed by blanks. Because you should treat it as
Speaker 2: if it's real, and if they don't, then it can
Speaker 2: cause death. So you can't undo the decision. You have
Speaker 2: all the information you need to make the proper decision.
Speaker 2: It's not about ignorance. People don't go to hell because
Speaker 2: oh I didn't know, I didn't hear about this. Jesus,
Speaker 2: that sounds like a good, good deal that everybody will
Speaker 2: get the same opportunity to accept or reject and basically say,
Speaker 2: I rather go through door A or through the door B.
Speaker 2: It's not just God doing some checklist because somebody annoys him.
Speaker 2: And that's what some of these preachers try and convey
Speaker 2: is that it's just God's mighty party list, and you
Speaker 2: have to be on this exclusive list to get in,
Speaker 2: and in that sense it makes it look ugly. But no,
Speaker 2: the door opens and locks on the side of the person,
Speaker 2: not on the side of God, and the individual chooses
Speaker 2: where they want to go.
Speaker 3: And why.
Speaker 1: All right, my dear, thank you so much.
Speaker 2: You have a blessed day, and give my love to
Speaker 2: your old man Bob.
Speaker 1: Alrighty, I will all right, bye.
Speaker 2: Bye, don welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 3: Thank you for taking my pleasure.
Speaker 4: I have a question with regards to the disposal of
Speaker 4: our physical remains once we die. The Bible talks quite
Speaker 4: frequently about the physical aspect of what's going to the grave. Well,
Speaker 4: our soul and spirit goes to heaven. For those of
Speaker 4: us who have been saved. These days, so many people
Speaker 4: are cremating their bodies and disposing of the ashes. The
Speaker 4: Bible says that when you return, you'll bring our physical
Speaker 4: bodies and our souls back together. And I'm curious as
Speaker 4: to how that will occur if people are burning their
Speaker 4: bodies and disposing of their ashes in all unlikely places.
Speaker 2: You know an excellent question. You know the old scriptural
Speaker 2: reference ashes to ashes. What to what dust to dust, okay,
Speaker 2: and out of the dust of the earth man was
Speaker 2: made correct, correct, Okay. So if you think of it,
Speaker 2: you're thinking it very anthropomorphic, pomorphically, you're thinking of it
Speaker 2: very humanly. Well, you know, humans can't recreate a human
Speaker 2: who's this?
Speaker 3: That?
Speaker 2: And not to be too graphic, but down do you
Speaker 2: know what takes place when you bury a body and
Speaker 2: it's exposed to the elements oxygen, oxygen and like, yep,
Speaker 2: and and quite quickly and and in its a decomposition,
Speaker 2: it becomes essentially ash and dust. I mean, it will
Speaker 2: break down to its most simplest and simplistic form. That's
Speaker 2: going to happen regardless. All cremation is is speeding up
Speaker 2: that process. And if you think for one second God's
Speaker 2: going to come back in all his glory and then go, oh,
Speaker 2: my goodness, I gotta put Okay, let's see the hip
Speaker 2: bone connected to the thigh bone and thigh bone. No,
Speaker 2: you're gonna be fine from ashes. You came from ashes.
Speaker 2: You return and God can bring you back from any state.
Speaker 2: There's not a technicality where God's going, well, Gosh, I
Speaker 2: can raise people from the dead, but not in this state.
Speaker 2: That's a mess. That's just not the case. There's nothing wrong.
Speaker 2: Now our Jewish brothers and sisters feel differently about cremation,
Speaker 2: but in the state of your Christianity and what you believe, uh,
Speaker 2: cremation can just be a financial concern. It's cheaper, it's easier,
Speaker 2: and as a matter of fact, more and more people
Speaker 2: are doing it. But there's nothing in Scripture that would
Speaker 2: have a problem with that, and certainly nothing as far
Speaker 2: as the mechanical process, because you're dealing with something miraculous
Speaker 2: to begin with. You know, isn't it interesting that as
Speaker 2: a human being you are concerned about the mechanic. Here's
Speaker 2: God raising people from the dead, but all of that
Speaker 2: is clay to begin with. It even refers to as
Speaker 2: that jar of clay throughout scripture, that concept that really
Speaker 2: the body is just like this vessel and that holds
Speaker 2: the important stuff. Bodies never important in except that it
Speaker 2: is the vessel that moves you from point A to
Speaker 2: point B, and to respect it.
Speaker 3: Because it's a gift of God.
Speaker 2: But to create, cremate yourself at the point of death
Speaker 2: doesn't change anything, doesn't change anything in the end times,
Speaker 2: doesn't change anything. With you being reunited with God, none
Speaker 2: of that. The body's going to decompose and become ashes
Speaker 2: sooner or later anyways. Cremation is simply speeding that process up.
Speaker 2: But nothing too big for God. He will not be confused, frustrated,
Speaker 2: or annoyed by the process, and trust me in all
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 3: All the glory will be his. Kfi AM sixty on
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