Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Psychic Teachers. I'm your host, deb.
Speaker 2: Boen, and I'm Samantha Fay.
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Speaker 2: Samantha, Okay, I'm very excited for today's topic. We're going
Speaker 2: to be exploring one of divination's most ancient arts, and
Speaker 2: it's called lithomancy, which is basically just using crystals as
Speaker 2: a divination tool. So we're going to share some history
Speaker 2: and some techniques for this practice, but we're also hopefully
Speaker 2: going to give you some practical and good exercises and
Speaker 2: tips that you can start using with your crystals today.
Speaker 2: So settle in, clear your mind, and prepare to discover
Speaker 2: a whole new metaphysical tool. So lithomancy at its core
Speaker 2: is divination through stones. The word merges the Greek lithos,
Speaker 2: which means stone, with mantilla, which means prophecy. It falls
Speaker 2: under the umbrella of casting and drawing lots, but it's
Speaker 2: important to distinguish between casting lots, where the fall of
Speaker 2: the pattern is red, and drawing lots, which is where
Speaker 2: the choice is read. This is a different process called sortilage. Now,
Speaker 2: this type of divination casting of lots has been practiced forever.
Speaker 2: The old most evidence for divination using stones or pebbles
Speaker 2: appears in Mesopotamian omen literature, dating as early as three
Speaker 2: thousand b c. Clay tablets describe methods of casting and
Speaker 2: interpreting small objects, usually stones, to answer questions posed to deities.
Speaker 2: Several African divination systems use shells, bones, stones, or nuts
Speaker 2: in their casting rituals. In the Middle East, geomancy, which
Speaker 2: means divination of the earth, has appeared historically connected to
Speaker 2: casting stones or drawing dots in the sand, and some
Speaker 2: Persian folk traditions involve casting small stones or beads to
Speaker 2: answer yesno, or directional questions. In some Japanese folk practices,
Speaker 2: pebbles tossed before roadside shrines were used to determine fortune
Speaker 2: or seek spiritual guidance. Really interesting to think about how
Speaker 2: this has gone back for millennia.
Speaker 1: It truly is. And I just have to say that
Speaker 1: when we first started talking about doing this topic, the
Speaker 1: word lithoto mean means like lithography, which makes me think
Speaker 1: of lithographic printing, and I had to wrap my head
Speaker 1: around this topic in an entirely different way in which
Speaker 1: I have done and I've learned so much. For example,
Speaker 1: from throwing bones and shells or to casting runs and
Speaker 1: even arrows. We've been looking into these tools like these
Speaker 1: that help with answers and clarity. For millennia people have
Speaker 1: been doing that. There's even a casting technique called mom
Speaker 1: which is a Tibetan divination method where balls of dough
Speaker 1: containing possible answers or options written on paper are mixed
Speaker 1: and one is selected. And it's said that this has
Speaker 1: even been used by the Dalai Lama from making decisions.
Speaker 1: Lithomantha has been practiced in various forms worldwide, from tossing
Speaker 1: pebbles into water to casting marked crystals on cloth. Doctor
Speaker 1: John Saint Germaine, in his book on Lithomancy, describes this
Speaker 1: divination tool as quote the art of interpreting the patterns
Speaker 1: and meanings of stones to reveal truths, guidance, and possibilities.
Speaker 1: Whether you're using ordinary river pebbles or luminous gemstones, the
Speaker 1: stones serve as mirrors reflecting the energies at play in
Speaker 1: your life. Now.
Speaker 2: While crystal gazing is perhaps more well known today, lithomancy
Speaker 2: has an equally rich, if slightly less documented history. Its
Speaker 2: roots stretch back to ancient civilizations across the globe, so
Speaker 2: as we've said, you can see it in ancient Greece,
Speaker 2: roam even ancient sumer with evidence suggesting that stones were
Speaker 2: chosen for theirmbolic resonance or physical qualities. There's a lot
Speaker 2: of historical accounts that mentioned the use of a white
Speaker 2: stone for yes and a blackstone for no in judicial divination.
Speaker 2: In ancient Persia, a form of lithomancy used twelve stones
Speaker 2: to represent the zodiac or the twelve months of the year,
Speaker 2: each stone's position offering insight into one's fate. And then
Speaker 2: we found this, which I thought was really interesting, in
Speaker 2: the Encyclopedia of Religion.
Speaker 1: It says the.
Speaker 2: Throwing of lots with the yes and no stones kept
Speaker 2: in the priest apron was accepted as a means of
Speaker 2: discerning the divine will. The priest apron was called an
Speaker 2: ephod and was mentioned several times in the Bible. Lithomancy
Speaker 2: is referenced in the Book of Exodus, chapter twenty eight,
Speaker 2: verse thirty, when Moses says to his brother Aaron, who
Speaker 2: also was a high priest, to keep the stones, which
Speaker 2: were called Urim and Thummin, on his breastplate, so they
Speaker 2: may be quote over AARONI heart whenever he enters the
Speaker 2: presence of the Lord. Thus Aaron will always bear the
Speaker 2: means of making decisions for the Israelites over his heart
Speaker 2: before the Lord.
Speaker 1: Would you not love to have seen that breastplate of
Speaker 1: the priests that we hear and read about in the
Speaker 1: Bible all over the place.
Speaker 2: Yes, and you hear. I've read in so many of
Speaker 2: my crystal books where they're like, this was one of
Speaker 2: the twelve crystals in the breastplate, And I'm like, how
Speaker 2: do you know that?
Speaker 1: I wonder that too. Melody actually writes a lot about that.
Speaker 1: She does. Yes, I don't know how they know that
Speaker 1: other than exactly this. It comes from having disinformation coming
Speaker 1: from biblical texts.
Speaker 2: For example, Yes, and I think melody says, it's from
Speaker 2: the descriptions of the stones that they've been able to
Speaker 2: discern or deduce. Oh, they must be talking about Emerald,
Speaker 2: or they must be talking about a jasper.
Speaker 1: It's fascinating. We don't know, we don't, but we do know.
Speaker 1: We can find other examples of lithomancy in the Bible
Speaker 1: as well. For example, in the Book of Proverbs, chapter eighteen,
Speaker 1: verse eighteen, it says to cast lots puts an end
Speaker 1: to disputes and decides between powerful contenders. In the Book
Speaker 1: of Jonah, after a ship's crew is talsed about after
Speaker 1: a storm, it's written, then the sailor said to each other,
Speaker 1: come let us cast lots to find out who is
Speaker 1: responsible for this calamity. European practitioners in the Middle Ages
Speaker 1: often use stones gathered from sacred sites, river beds, or crossroads,
Speaker 1: believing these locales imbued the stone with spiritual powers. Many
Speaker 1: ancient cultures believe that stones, being part of the earth,
Speaker 1: held memory and energy, a direct connection to the planet's consciousness.
Speaker 1: They were seen as miniature libraries of cosmic wisdom. I
Speaker 1: love that I think they still are, but I digress.
Speaker 1: In these times Lithomancy was often a secretive practice, woven
Speaker 1: into folk magic and passed discreetly through generations, especially among
Speaker 1: cunning folk and wise women. And I just have to
Speaker 1: say somethanth that this reminds me of my trip to
Speaker 1: stone Hinge and Cornwall and one of the things I
Speaker 1: wanted to do was to bring back a small piece
Speaker 1: of the same kind of stone that is connected to
Speaker 1: Stone Hinge and two kinds of stones actually, and I
Speaker 1: wanted to be able to do that. And if I'm
Speaker 1: remembering correctly, I brought you back a piece and Joe time.
Speaker 2: Yes, I have that need and desire to deb but
Speaker 2: it's not always a good need or desire. So as
Speaker 2: you know, I love to go to the beach and
Speaker 2: collect smooth stones. And I've had this idea of making
Speaker 2: my own set of runds, so I bought my drum
Speaker 2: all kit and I've been trying to practice. It's way
Speaker 2: harder than you would think, at least for me and
Speaker 2: my left handedness. But when I was in Europe with
Speaker 2: Michael on my honeymoon, I had this idea. I was like, Oh,
Speaker 2: if I find a small stone wherever we're visiting, I'm
Speaker 2: going to you know, collect it. And so if we're
Speaker 2: just walking down the street or in a park or
Speaker 2: what have you, and I saw a flat, smooth stone,
Speaker 2: I would pick it up. Well, then we go to
Speaker 2: Delo's Island, that four thousand year old island off of Mikino's,
Speaker 2: and we're on this really fascinating tour and the woman
Speaker 2: tour guide she says, do you see all those flat
Speaker 2: terra cotta like brown stones that you're walking over? These
Speaker 2: are four thousand year old stone shards and we're just
Speaker 2: not removing them. We're leaving them there for the tourist.
Speaker 2: Do you know what it took in me not to
Speaker 2: take one of those pieces?
Speaker 1: A lot? I would imagine a lot.
Speaker 2: And I kept looking down and Michael goes, no, don't
Speaker 2: even think I know what you're thinking. No, you cannot
Speaker 2: take a sacred stone.
Speaker 1: I didn't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, but you know it is tempting. And I
Speaker 2: think what I like about the research that we did
Speaker 2: for this episode when it showed me it doesn't have
Speaker 2: to be a super seven stone. It doesn't have to
Speaker 2: be a sugar light, it doesn't have to be a
Speaker 2: Herkimer diamond. It can be stones that you have picked
Speaker 2: up as you're walking the beach or walking a beautiful
Speaker 2: wooded trail. It could be a stone from your driveway.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. It's all about what resonates for you
Speaker 2: with you.
Speaker 1: Absolutely true. I was talking to a group recently about
Speaker 1: what we value and why we value the items in
Speaker 1: our house, for example, and so they asked me, well,
Speaker 1: what rocks would you grab if your house was burning down?
Speaker 1: And my answer was so immediate, I thought, Wow, where
Speaker 1: did that come from? I have a necklace that has
Speaker 1: three stones on it. It has Oh I love what necklace.
Speaker 1: I love that necklace too, and it has on it
Speaker 1: a faddening clothed Clear Courts. It has a moonstone in
Speaker 1: a beautiful setting, and it has a metamorphosis Courts on it,
Speaker 1: and it does everything you needed to do. We don't
Speaker 1: really need any other rocks, really, yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, you just have certain rocks that you just
Speaker 2: completely jive with. But if you do want to use
Speaker 2: crystals for lithomancy, there are some ones that throughout the
Speaker 2: years have been chosen, and of course one of these
Speaker 2: is clear Courts, which is my all time favorite stone.
Speaker 2: It's always been valued for its ability to amplify intention
Speaker 2: energy and clarity, and it's often used as the seer
Speaker 2: stone we know, like reading a crystal ball. And then
Speaker 2: there's amethyst, which has long been revered as a stone
Speaker 2: of intuition and spiritual insight. It's been linked with the
Speaker 2: prophetic arts in both ancient Greece but also in modern
Speaker 2: practices as well. Deb and I always call Amethys the
Speaker 2: all healer because it really does do so many things.
Speaker 2: Jasper is a great one to add to your lithomancy bag.
Speaker 2: It's favored for grounding and stability. This was a commonly
Speaker 2: included stone in the Medieval Ages for protection and decision making. Agit,
Speaker 2: which is great for balance and harmony, and in some
Speaker 2: ancient tradition, specific forms of agate, like the eye agots,
Speaker 2: were considered especially potent for warding off negative influences. You
Speaker 2: could also put jet or amber in your bag. In
Speaker 2: medieval Europe, these were often included for their connection to
Speaker 2: the afterlife and spirit communication. Carnelian is great because it
Speaker 2: incorporates courage, creativity, vitality, motivation, and it's often chosen for
Speaker 2: readings about personal power or overcoming obstacles. And then of
Speaker 2: course obsidian, which is used for revealing shadow work. It's
Speaker 2: known as the truth teller stone, so that would be
Speaker 2: a great one, But you do want to work on
Speaker 2: building your own set that really resonates for you, because
Speaker 2: some of these stones are going to mean different things
Speaker 2: for you, right, Like, personally, I don't look at Carnelian
Speaker 2: as a stone for overcoming obstacles. I know the book
Speaker 2: say that, and I'm sure that is something Carnelian does
Speaker 2: for me. It's always a stone about being your own cheerleader,
Speaker 2: learning how to give yourself that love that you're giving
Speaker 2: out to the world, and really breaking through some creativity blocks.
Speaker 2: So if a Carnelian showed up in a lithomancy reading
Speaker 2: for me, it would instantly be more about owning your
Speaker 2: creativity and your voice and your truth and really feeling
Speaker 2: comfortable standing in your own light. So you have to
Speaker 2: make this set your own based on what the stones
Speaker 2: mean to you.
Speaker 1: And that's really important because we're going to get questions
Speaker 1: from listeners going what kind of jasper, what color aged right? Right?
Speaker 1: And that's exactly the point. What works for you? What
Speaker 1: do you know? What is your intention for this set?
Speaker 2: I think a good place to start would be seven
Speaker 2: Stones and I always recommend seven stones to represent each
Speaker 2: of the seven chakras because then you'll know exactly root
Speaker 2: chakra is about family, grounding, protection, overcoming money worries, So
Speaker 2: any red, brown, or black stone could be in your
Speaker 2: bag to indicate that. And then the orange stone about vitality, creativity, fertility,
Speaker 2: sex issues, body image issues would represent that. Any yellowstone
Speaker 2: for courage. Third, you know, I don't want to go
Speaker 2: through all the chakras, but don't you think that's an
Speaker 2: easy place to start, especially if you know the chakras.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and I cannot imagine not having a chakra set.
Speaker 2: It's great if you have a chakra set. You can
Speaker 2: use it for chakra balancings and clearings, you can use
Speaker 2: it in grid work, but you can also use it
Speaker 2: to do your very own crystal reading. But you do
Speaker 2: want to assign a word or an aspect to each
Speaker 2: of the stones. So for example, green aventurine can represent luck,
Speaker 2: rose quords for love, hematite for protection, amethyst to represent
Speaker 2: your spirit and your connection to spirit, citrine for success
Speaker 2: and abundance, angelite to represent help from guides and angels
Speaker 2: or pray nighte for health and healing. So those are
Speaker 2: just some examples.
Speaker 1: And ask these stones to be willing to do the
Speaker 1: work you ask them to do that they do naturally. So,
Speaker 1: for example, green aventine for luck. Well, when you find
Speaker 1: a piece of green aventterine that you're going to include,
Speaker 1: for example, in your seventh set, ask it to help
Speaker 1: you with finding luck and opportunity in your life. Spend
Speaker 1: some time with each of these stones. You know we're
Speaker 1: going to say meditate, right, Spend some time with each
Speaker 1: of these stones, really connecting with the intent of the
Speaker 1: stone and your intent in working with them.
Speaker 2: That's how you engage a relationship with your stones.
Speaker 1: It's right now.
Speaker 2: When you're starting out with lethamancy. You can decide if
Speaker 2: you want to pull your stones one at a time
Speaker 2: from a bag or if you want to toss them
Speaker 2: onto a cloth, so you have two options either way.
Speaker 2: You should have a designated cloth for your readings. If
Speaker 2: you don't have one, you can use a clean hand towel,
Speaker 2: but a designated cloth is a nice idea. It could
Speaker 2: be a scarf, it could be a printed cloth with
Speaker 2: a crystal grid pattern on it, or a simple circle
Speaker 2: is nice. That way, you know to read the stones
Speaker 2: that fall inside the circle as very relevant to your question,
Speaker 2: and the stones that fall out of the circle symbolize
Speaker 2: issues you might be ignoring or aren't relevant to the question.
Speaker 2: So I guess what we're trying to say is you
Speaker 2: can be very simplistic about this, pull three stones to
Speaker 2: represent past, present, future, or pull three stone owns to
Speaker 2: represent the problem, the obstacles and the outcome. Or you
Speaker 2: can get an elaborate cloth. I mean, just go on
Speaker 2: Etsy for example and type in this and you'll find
Speaker 2: all sorts of fantastic pre printed cloths that have the
Speaker 2: zodiac on them, that have just one circle, that have
Speaker 2: the directions northeast southwest. So it's up to you. And
Speaker 2: I think that's what's so nice about this type of
Speaker 2: divination tool is there are rules, but there aren't a
Speaker 2: lot of rules. It's really about learning to rely on
Speaker 2: your own intuition.
Speaker 1: So where the stones fall is super important. Where they
Speaker 1: fall in the cloth, It's not just about what stones fall,
Speaker 1: but how they fall. For example, proximity, which stones are
Speaker 1: close together, do they form clusters or patterns? Distance, what
Speaker 1: stones are far apart? Orientation Is a stone pointing towards another,
Speaker 1: is it face up or face down? And where is it?
Speaker 1: Is it inside the circle? Which fall outside the circle?
Speaker 1: Imagine you've asked this question, what guidance do I need
Speaker 1: regarding a difficult decision I'm facing at work. If a
Speaker 1: hematite representing protection or a warning falls prominently in the
Speaker 1: center of the circle, with a red stone near it
Speaker 1: and a smooth white stone just outside the circle, slightly separated,
Speaker 1: you can interpret this as you are currently facing a
Speaker 1: significant challenge at work, signified by the hematite and a
Speaker 1: need for protection. This situation requires immediate and perhaps assertive
Speaker 1: action represented by the red stone nearby, and the path
Speaker 1: to clarity and a new beginning, as symbolized by the
Speaker 1: white stone, is within reach, but it requires you to
Speaker 1: step outside of your current comfort zone or perspective with
Speaker 1: the meaning because the white stone is outside the circle.
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful dance between intuitive insight, symbolic meaning and
Speaker 1: the seemingly random placement of stones. And it's really important
Speaker 1: to remember that this is about you and your relationship
Speaker 1: with these stones. So you should consider creating a legend
Speaker 1: we call it, or a list of meanings for each
Speaker 1: of those stones and place it in the bag. That
Speaker 1: list in the bag about what they mean this way,
Speaker 1: you won't forget that you intend for the carnelia, for example,
Speaker 1: to represent creativity and support from friends, or for the
Speaker 1: labyridide if you put that in the bag to symbolize
Speaker 1: your connection to spirit and intuition. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think that's important because sometimes we can forget did
Speaker 2: I mean for this one to be protection or warning?
Speaker 2: So if you wrape that down, it's going to be very,
Speaker 2: very helpful when you get into that meditative zone before
Speaker 2: you do your lithomancy. All right, So we want to
Speaker 2: talk about some exercises that you can try right now
Speaker 2: at home, but we're going to take a very quick break.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back.
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Speaker 2: Okay, welcome back. So let's talk about some crystal lithomancy
Speaker 2: exercises you can try. One thing you want to do
Speaker 2: is select your stones, So choose seven to ten stones
Speaker 2: or crystals, and make sure, as we said, each one
Speaker 2: represents a significant aspect of your life, like relationships, career, health, communication,
Speaker 2: and so forth. And then you want to prepare your
Speaker 2: casting surface, so as we suggested before, use a special.
Speaker 1: Cloth or a scarf.
Speaker 2: Some practitioners will draw boundary lines or divide the area
Speaker 2: into sect like past, present, future. Some people will draw
Speaker 2: a clock or a calendar on the cloth. If the
Speaker 2: question is time specific. And then you want to ask
Speaker 2: your question, focus clearly on the question you wish to
Speaker 2: explore and hold the stones in your hands to charge
Speaker 2: them with your intention. And then you cast the stones gently,
Speaker 2: toss the stones onto the surface and observe where each
Speaker 2: one lands. Look at which one's cluster together, which ones
Speaker 2: lie near the center, which ones fall outside the boundaries,
Speaker 2: and then interpret the pattern. So, if your love stone
Speaker 2: lands close to the health stone in the future sector,
Speaker 2: it might suggest a romantic connection impacting your well being
Speaker 2: in the times of ahead, or you might meet a
Speaker 2: doctor in the future. It's up to your intuition to
Speaker 2: determine that. If the success and abundant stone is isolated,
Speaker 2: perhaps finances are in whole or not central at this time.
Speaker 2: But here's the key. You know, Deb and I are
Speaker 2: always talking about journaling and creating your validation journal. You
Speaker 2: do want to record your insights. You want to keep
Speaker 2: a journal to track your results because this will help
Speaker 2: to not only refine your intuition over time, but it
Speaker 2: will help you make a deeper connection with your stones.
Speaker 2: Similar to the toureau when you start off and you
Speaker 2: pull a card and you got to look at the
Speaker 2: book or really look at the symbol because you're not
Speaker 2: really sure what that card means. After a couple of
Speaker 2: years those cards, you know exactly what they mean to
Speaker 2: you in readings because you've done them over and.
Speaker 1: Over, Samantha. Lithomancy isn't only about reading the future. It's
Speaker 1: also about manifesting change. Stones can be used to create
Speaker 1: grids for protection, carrying a wish stone for prosperity, or
Speaker 1: creating amulets with chosen crystals. For example, you might carry
Speaker 1: a tiger's eye for courage during interviews, or place rose
Speaker 1: quartz and a written wish under your pillow for a
Speaker 1: peaceful sleep. I use amethysts for that, but rose courts
Speaker 1: probably works will too.
Speaker 2: Amethyst is great for sleep issues, for sure, I think so.
Speaker 1: Two. So you can create a stone set. That is
Speaker 1: another way of looking at how you might put these
Speaker 1: rocks together. So gather thirteen stones. In doctor Saint Jermaine's
Speaker 1: book called Lithomancy, he recommends anointing each stone, set each
Speaker 1: stone in your set with essential oils, charging it in
Speaker 1: the sun or moon, and then telling each stone what
Speaker 1: its job is. I think you ought to ask, but
Speaker 1: in any case, for example, choose a white stone or
Speaker 1: a snowy quartz and tell it or ask it to
Speaker 1: show you when an answer to your question is yes.
Speaker 1: Take your rose quartz for example, and say, could you
Speaker 1: make your job about love and romance for me? So
Speaker 1: assign each stone a task to accomplish, for example. But
Speaker 1: again I use the word of sign in terms of requesting.
Speaker 1: So clear quarts for example for clarity, amethysts for intuition,
Speaker 1: rose quarts for love, sitttering for abundance, obsidian for protection
Speaker 1: or shadow work, Jasper for health, turquoise for communication, amber
Speaker 1: for past connections, jet for spiritual messages, Carnelian for action,
Speaker 1: hematite for grounding, agate for balance, and then a coin
Speaker 1: that's special to you for luck or good fortune.
Speaker 2: I want to add something in here, dub These are
Speaker 2: recommendations from Saint Germaine's book on lithomancy, and so we
Speaker 2: included these huge or just to point out how it's
Speaker 2: important for you to connect with the crystal in the
Speaker 2: way that makes sense to you. So for him, jasper
Speaker 2: represents health. For me, that's not true, it represents protection. Amethysts.
Speaker 2: I don't associate with intuition as much as I do
Speaker 2: spiritual connection. I associate lapis or labyorite or shadowkite with
Speaker 2: intuition for example. So again we're only giving you these
Speaker 2: descriptions as a way to say crystals can do a
Speaker 2: lot of things, but you do need to create a
Speaker 2: relationship with the stones in your bag and tell or
Speaker 2: ask them to do a specific job in a reading situation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and what's going to happen, I imagine is that
Speaker 1: somebody who's going to listen to this list that I've
Speaker 1: just scrattled off from doctor Saint Jermaine, and they're going
Speaker 1: to say, well, can you write that downstre I know
Speaker 1: which one do you use? And do no? And that's
Speaker 1: really what's the maanthis say, is that here's just an
Speaker 1: exciting of how a stone might be available to you
Speaker 1: to do a certain task, but you need to build
Speaker 1: a relationship with that stone and ask it what task
Speaker 1: it will be willing to take on for you.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. Now, A really simple way to get to
Speaker 2: know the crystals in your lithomancy bag. Each morning, just
Speaker 2: draw one stone from your set and reflect on its meaning.
Speaker 2: Set an intention for your day. So you can either
Speaker 2: just choose a stone from your bag of crystals and
Speaker 2: reflect on it, or you can ask a question for
Speaker 2: the day, such as what should I be aware of today.
Speaker 2: If you pull your healthstone, then you know you should
Speaker 2: be extra careful while out and about and use your
Speaker 2: hand sanitizer. But if you pull your success stone, then
Speaker 2: you know you're heading into a day with good news,
Speaker 2: hopefully at work.
Speaker 1: Well, that's a great idea. I don't pull a stone
Speaker 1: in the morning, but I think that's a good idea.
Speaker 1: You could also do it what's called a simple three
Speaker 1: stone cast ritual. In the morning. You can take a white, black,
Speaker 1: and brown stone. The white for yes, the black for no,
Speaker 1: and the brownstone represents you ask your question. Then gently
Speaker 1: shake the three stones in your hands and toss them
Speaker 1: on your cloth. If the white stone is near the
Speaker 1: brown one, the answer is yes. Both the black and
Speaker 1: white stones are far away from the brownstone, it means
Speaker 1: maybe or not.
Speaker 2: Now that's a good one to do as well. And
Speaker 2: what I like about that simple exercise is sometimes what
Speaker 2: comes up in terms of your reaction is more instructive
Speaker 2: than the answer. So if you're asking a question and
Speaker 2: you get a no or maybe, it takes some time
Speaker 2: to really reflect on how that makes you feel and
Speaker 2: can you change that if you want it to be
Speaker 2: a yes? What action steps can you take. So sometimes
Speaker 2: the emotions that the result draws in you is just
Speaker 2: as important as the crystals you pull. Now, there's another
Speaker 2: method that he recommends in his book called the seven
Speaker 2: stone quick cast, and you can try this method when
Speaker 2: you have a specific question. So you select seven stones
Speaker 2: again with meetings assigned to them, and then toss them
Speaker 2: gently onto a casting cloth. Notice which land together apart
Speaker 2: or off the cloth, and make sure to look at
Speaker 2: not only proximity, but also direction northeast, south, and west.
Speaker 2: If it falls in the eastern direction, it can indicate
Speaker 2: springtime or a young person or new experiences. If it
Speaker 2: falls in the southern direction, that can indicate summer, adulthood,
Speaker 2: or a stable time. A westerly direction points to the
Speaker 2: fall season, an older person or old age, or experiences
Speaker 2: that are starting to end or slow down. And if
Speaker 2: a stone falls in the northern direction, this can indicate winter,
Speaker 2: an ending or death of a situation, or something that
Speaker 2: needs to take root and stay hidden. For now, I've
Speaker 2: done crystal castings. I've never taken into account the directions.
Speaker 2: I bet you have because you work more with the.
Speaker 1: Directions I do. I do think that's important. I mean,
Speaker 1: for example, when I put together a crystal grid for
Speaker 1: particular intent. One of the things in the grid construction
Speaker 1: under consideration is which stones go in which quadrant of
Speaker 1: the four directions or the four elements.
Speaker 2: I definitely do that too with crystal grids, but I
Speaker 2: never thought of taking it into account in terms of
Speaker 2: a reading. And I think that's interesting. And I'm wondering
Speaker 2: what you think about that, because sometimes deb I hear
Speaker 2: your voice inside of me, and I'm thinking, when you
Speaker 2: see springtime, is a part of you thinking well, whose spring?
Speaker 2: Because on the other side of the world right now
Speaker 2: it's summer and we're heading into winter.
Speaker 1: That's rights?
Speaker 2: Or do you look at the directions like it's from
Speaker 2: where I am right now?
Speaker 1: Depends on the question I'm asking. So if I'm asking
Speaker 1: a personal, very personal question, then I take into account
Speaker 1: where am I r at this minute, right, or where
Speaker 1: do I live? So I live in the Northern Hemisphere,
Speaker 1: so east is spring, right. But if I'm asking a
Speaker 1: question about universal energies or that sort of thing, I
Speaker 1: might take into consideration. Well, folks in the southern hemisphere
Speaker 1: might see this differently.
Speaker 2: Mm hm, okay, good distinction. Now, something else he recommends
Speaker 2: is to create your wish stone, And of course I
Speaker 2: love this idea. He says, you just choose a stone,
Speaker 2: any stone that resonates with you that represents your heart's desire.
Speaker 2: You cleanse it by placing it in sunlight or moonlight
Speaker 2: and hold it as you visualize your wish and then
Speaker 2: carry it with you, or you can keep it on
Speaker 2: your altar until your wish comes true. I think that's
Speaker 2: a lovely idea because it just reminds you that there
Speaker 2: are things that you have goals that you're working on,
Speaker 2: and then there's things you're wishing and hoping for that
Speaker 2: have a different energy where you're relying more on outside help,
Speaker 2: and it's nice to have a crystal help you to do.
Speaker 1: That absolutely now.
Speaker 2: He also recommends adding a coin or two to your set.
Speaker 2: You can cast them with your stones and see how
Speaker 2: their positions affect your reading. If a coin lands atop
Speaker 2: a stone, it could indicate a windfall or a lucky
Speaker 2: break in that area. So if you add a coin,
Speaker 2: it just represents good luck or extra help, and I
Speaker 2: think that's a nice thing to add to the reading.
Speaker 1: I do too, And if you've got a coin that's
Speaker 1: particularly important to you in some way, or for some reason,
Speaker 1: you might include it in that bag with the stones.
Speaker 1: For example, I have a buffalo head nickel from the
Speaker 1: year my mother was born, and it lives on a
Speaker 1: grid with a lot of other rocks and stuff. But
Speaker 1: if I were doing something like this, I might include
Speaker 1: throwing it in to see what Mama might have to say.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's a great idea, and you can also get
Speaker 2: a feng shui coin would be a good one to
Speaker 2: add to this. What do you think deb about the
Speaker 2: penny going away? Do you have any feelings about that?
Speaker 1: Well, yeah I do. I'm like pennies, you know, and
Speaker 1: you're gonna laugh at this. In my wallet, I keep
Speaker 1: a dollar's worth of change in case I need to.
Speaker 1: You know how, sometimes the cost of something is seven
Speaker 1: dollars and twenty six cents, and if you hand the
Speaker 1: person an extra penny, then you get three quarters back
Speaker 1: kind of thing. So I always keep four pennies in
Speaker 1: my wallet in case I need And I have this
Speaker 1: jar in my office that loose change. Extra change just
Speaker 1: goes into and every once in't a while I take
Speaker 1: it to the bank. And it occurred to me, I
Speaker 1: don't know whether the bank will take my pennies anymore.
Speaker 2: I don't think so. And the nickels the next to go.
Speaker 2: Oh dear, I know, And I just think about My
Speaker 2: kids have had this giant, giant jug for years and
Speaker 2: it's called their travel jar, and they collect change always
Speaker 2: and put it in the travel jar and then when
Speaker 2: we go on a trip, we would roll them or
Speaker 2: take them to the bank and that would be their
Speaker 2: spending money for the trip. And they just loved that.
Speaker 2: And I'm thinking, oh, our travel jar is going to
Speaker 2: have to well, I guess it could be quarters now.
Speaker 2: Just a sign of the times.
Speaker 1: It is a sign of a time. I need to
Speaker 1: actually go to my bank sometime soon and like really
Speaker 1: walk in the door kind of thing. And when I
Speaker 1: do that, I'm going to ask some about any situation,
Speaker 1: because I don't know what that's going to happen. Dune
Speaker 1: any other story.
Speaker 2: Another technique he talks about is the mystic cross. Do
Speaker 2: you want to tell people about that?
Speaker 1: Sure? Let me do that. So this is similar to
Speaker 1: the Celtic cross spread in to row. So you want
Speaker 1: to find five stones from your bag and lay them
Speaker 1: out in a cross formation. The center stone represents obstacles
Speaker 1: and current challenges. The stone to the right symbolizes future events.
Speaker 1: The stone to the left represents the past or situations
Speaker 1: that are moving out of your energy field. The stone
Speaker 1: below represents the current issue you're facing, and the stone
Speaker 1: at the top represents ideas or solutions. This is somewhat
Speaker 1: different in meaning than the Celtic cross inter row, but
Speaker 1: the idea of using five stones is a great idea
Speaker 1: to help you sort through looking at a situation or
Speaker 1: a question from several different perspectives. I just have to
Speaker 1: say here. There is a verse in the Bible that says,
Speaker 1: and David took five smooth stones and went against Goliath.
Speaker 2: Oh that's right.
Speaker 1: You think you didn't.
Speaker 2: Miss it crossbread first.
Speaker 1: I bet he didn't. So you might use these five
Speaker 1: stones as a way of saying, Okay, here's the situation,
Speaker 1: here's here's kind of the sinner. That's the obstacles of
Speaker 1: the question that I'm asking, and then those four stones
Speaker 1: around it help you look at potential answers from different perspectives.
Speaker 2: Another thing you can do is called a chakra stone reading.
Speaker 2: So that's where you take your seven crystals representing the
Speaker 2: seven chakras, and then you want to add in a
Speaker 2: blackstone like obsidian, because it's great at absorbing negativity and
Speaker 2: it's wonderful for showing you a no. And then a
Speaker 2: white stone like snowy quartz that can show you a yes.
Speaker 2: Shake the bag gently while focusing on your chakras, and
Speaker 2: then pour the stones out onto the cloth. Look at
Speaker 2: where the white and black stones have fallen. If the
Speaker 2: white stone, for example, is near the light bluestone, say
Speaker 2: a blue lay zagat, this means your throat chakra needs
Speaker 2: to be energized and worked on. If the blackstone falls
Speaker 2: near the jasper for your root chakra, then this means
Speaker 2: the root chakra needs to be discharged and rebalanced. So
Speaker 2: remember lithomancy is deeply personal. Your connection to the stones,
Speaker 2: your intuition in your personal symbolism are paramount, so you
Speaker 2: want to make this chakra reading your own. But generally,
Speaker 2: what this one is suggesting is that if the white
Speaker 2: stone falls near a chakra stone, it means that one
Speaker 2: is closed and needs to be open and worked on
Speaker 2: and expanded. And if a black stone falls near one
Speaker 2: of the chakra stones, it means that chakra is too inflamed,
Speaker 2: too open, and you need to discharge some energy. So
Speaker 2: that's a really great way to start working with your
Speaker 2: own chakras. But again, there's no single right way to
Speaker 2: do it. The beauty lies in developing your own dialogue,
Speaker 2: so there's different ways. You can also determine and interpret
Speaker 2: some of the stone casting clusters, for example, kind of
Speaker 2: reinforce the meeting. So if a bunch of stones are
Speaker 2: falling together, that can mean everyone's working together, or this
Speaker 2: is a really big situation you need to focus on.
Speaker 2: You also want to look at distance from your stone
Speaker 2: or the center. So what we mean by that is
Speaker 2: people do it differently. You can either just generally state
Speaker 2: to yourself that the center of the cloth represents the questioner,
Speaker 2: or you can put a stone into the bag to
Speaker 2: represent the questioner. Some to Rod readers do that, don't
Speaker 2: they They pull out an identify your card.
Speaker 1: They do. In fact, that's one of the things that
Speaker 1: Eden Gray suggests. I don't do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never done that either, because I feel like,
Speaker 2: what if that card needs to be in there as
Speaker 2: part of the reading.
Speaker 1: But me too, That's exactly what I tell my students.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, to each zone and then you
Speaker 2: want to look at do some of the stones fall
Speaker 2: on opposite sides, and that can represent conflict or tension.
Speaker 2: And then of course there's empty sectors, which represents silence
Speaker 2: or lack of influence. And again that's similar to Tourou
Speaker 2: because you always want to look at what suits, what numbers,
Speaker 2: what are the predominant colors on the Tourou board, But
Speaker 2: you also want to make a note of what suits
Speaker 2: aren't on this board, what colors aren't there, what numbers
Speaker 2: aren't there, and that can be incorporated into your interpretation
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 1: That's true and in addition to Touau, and I absolutely
Speaker 1: agree with you on that. But think about your astrology chart.
Speaker 1: Sometimes there are sectors of your astrology chart that are empty.
Speaker 2: That's a good point. And then there's of course boundary interactions.
Speaker 2: So if you do want to have a square with
Speaker 2: the four directions or circle something that represents a boundary,
Speaker 2: you do want to look at the stones that fall
Speaker 2: outside of that and include that interpretation into your reading.
Speaker 2: In general, time you can tell time in a couple
Speaker 2: of different ways. Generally with lithomanc, left side of your
Speaker 2: casting cloth represents the past, the center represents the present,
Speaker 2: and the right side represents the future. But there are
Speaker 2: people who will actually take a cloth or a piece
Speaker 2: of paper and draw a calendar on there and toss
Speaker 2: the stones on to see what month it falls onto.
Speaker 2: So there's different ways you can work with the crystals.
Speaker 2: If your question is time sensitive.
Speaker 1: You can do that. But also keep in mind that
Speaker 1: universal time is different than human time, and so when
Speaker 1: we think of the past, trust what bubbles up? I mean,
Speaker 1: does this mean past as in yesterday or past us
Speaker 1: in twenty years ago? But remember that there are lots
Speaker 1: of ways of interpreting that language at your past, present
Speaker 1: in future.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. So which of these do you think you
Speaker 2: would try first?
Speaker 1: Oh? Golly, you know something of that? I think maybe
Speaker 1: the whole notion of doing the chapper stone reading would
Speaker 1: be interesting to me, Because I already got a chaper set.
Speaker 1: The stones have been asked to do certain tasks. It
Speaker 1: would be interesting to see what would happen if I
Speaker 1: cast them onto a clock to see what the answer
Speaker 1: to a particular question would be. So I think I
Speaker 1: would probably try that first.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, And I just want to add one
Speaker 2: more suggestion. If you prefer pulling a stone one at
Speaker 2: a time from the bag, I would recommend in that case,
Speaker 2: you try to get stones that are all tumbled or
Speaker 2: all raw, or all the same roughly shape and size,
Speaker 2: so that subconsciously you're not your hand in the bag
Speaker 2: and you're like, oh that yes stone is kind of
Speaker 2: big and has that thing, and you're like subconsciously reaching
Speaker 2: for it.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: But if you're going to use your stones predominantly to
Speaker 2: just cast them, then I don't think it matters if
Speaker 2: they're all the same size and shape.
Speaker 1: Well, this has been an interesting and unique topic this week, Samantha.
Speaker 1: Well good.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you enjoyed it.
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