Speaker 1: He was the Commander Who podcast, episode five thirty six.
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So I got to do my Easter. I hope everybody
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Speaker 3: Zombie Jesus, date baby, did you? Did you? Did you
have any pile of bones? Yes? Wow, here's the thing.
We've got some pile of bones sitting on the table
here my two favorite kinds. You'd seem if you're watching
on YouTube, which should be and you just saw the
pile of bones graphic on the set TV behind us,
if you're watching on YouTube, and man, we're drinking some
pile of bones today we're talking about blue.
Speaker 1: So let's give everybody a real quick recap. If you
want the in depth recap of what we're doing over
the next few shows, check out last week's the first
little bit of last week's that. So we're gonna go
from popular Commanders prior to Universes Beyond and I counted
that as twenty nineteen until today, and we're gonna look
at what was popular then versus what's popular now. Because
people say that the Universes Beyond are coming in, they're
taking over. They're too strong and they're too much. And
let's see have the colors changed it all and it
could be both universes beyond influence, or it could just
be power creep or whatever else.
Speaker 3: And I believe last week when we did white, we're
going in wooberg order. By the way, last week when
we did White in the Now, because we're doing then
versus now in the now, there was one universes beyond commander.
Speaker 1: And it was it was anti venom or something like a.
Speaker 3: Very Oh no, there was two because there was cloud
and anti venoms. Okay, so there was two, two out
of ten twenty, which I mean actually when you say
it like that, it sounds lots when you say.
Speaker 1: Oh, there's two but in seven years.
Speaker 3: Yes, but it has in seven years because those are
sets that came out since twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: Sure, oh, but I'll bit you if you look. Actually,
maybe that's not the best example, but if you look
at how many of those cards are from the last
five years, Like the most popular commanders in the color,
most of them will probably be recent. Ah right, Moros,
not many mallemomerows.
Speaker 3: No are good friends at dhrec dot com. You might
have heard of them. They talk about recency bias all
the time. The more recent stuff is trendy. Is the
thing that you know, you get into the game because
Spider Man, you build the Spider Man Commander. That's because
that's good. You like spider Man. Right, So, recency bias
has a couple different reasons. And as new things come out,
they bump they used to be recent stuff down and
the tried and true and tested an old classics, I guess,
always are things that are re venting themselves and always relevant.
So and I think that this.
Speaker 1: That what we're doing now is actually a really good
indicator of those because you'll get to see in the
because I'm trying really hard not to pay attention to
the results when they send them to media. H rec
I'm trying really hard not to read them. I just
want to renumber them and send them to Gary. But
like I'm you can really see, like this is what
Blue does. These are some of the powerful things. You'll
see some through lines and commanders, and then some of
like the new stuff getting support, which I kind of like,
I like, and you're gonna see that lots in this episode.
This episode specifically.
Speaker 3: Okay, great, I like that on on again. If you're
watching on YouTube, which should be, there was a an
ad behind us for Commander ad Popular. And I've been
on the record extensively on Commander ad Populum. And this
is one of the reasons that that brander never wants
to come on a.
Speaker 1: Talk because we never It is because you never asked them.
Speaker 3: No, it's because I only ever talk about Blue. Oh yeah, yeah,
that's the other reason.
Speaker 1: Most of us, because you don't ask that's the other one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the other reason. But I've been on the
record saying so much about Monto Blue Control and why
people play it and mill and Control and the stigma
that Blue has, and the themes and the motifs and
and why they exist and who those people are that
play them.
Speaker 1: We've met CEO Toby f you Toby over the last
few months. He's a very big Blue guy.
Speaker 3: Yes, and he kind of bucks the mold a little bit.
Plus he's a new player. But one of the things
that I've talked about is new players trending towards Blue
because it gives them kind of the seat of authority
at the table, and that's a thing that lots of
people don't freaking have in their real life. So the
Cols Notes version is this Blue is the Control color.
It's the slow down and think color. It's the color
that allows you to think through everything and be smarter,
which is better, which is dominant over your opponent. And
magic is a thinky game. So if you're smarter, you're better,
is the theory, which is a.
Speaker 1: Lot of theory. I'm an idiot and I went all
the time not stupid.
Speaker 3: What does that say about your opponents that they're even
dumber than me? So people who want that feeling dominance
and outwitting and outthinking, out maneuvering, outstrategizing will flock to
this color because it gives them that feeling of control.
And without getting into it, lots of people who play
magic probably don't feel like they have a lot of
control in their life.
Speaker 1: I would say that there's lots of people outside of
the magic that feel that way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they're not listening to Commander Cooko podcast.
Speaker 1: Maybe they are. And if you are welcome and you
for being here also that's it. Also one more thing,
if you like what we're doing, we're gonna do the
FI I have plans to do the five mono colors
if if you would like us to go into the
ten dual colors of magic with this arc. Please let
us know. I'm happy to ask somebody else to do
all the work for us to do it and they'll
throw it in, but we have to let them know.
So if you're into what we're doing and you'd like
to hear the trend lines between like the Zorious Demir
rac Dose, let us know, and I would love to
do it. I would give I'm genuinely curious for some
of the colors, especially rac Dose and Gruel, because I
think the ractose has been the same forever and it's
never changed. And I think that Grule's top ten is
going to be just a mishmash of what theff is
even happening, and I would love to see if the
numbers back that up. So if you guys are interested
in that, please let us know in the comments wherever
you're watching, send to the emails to.
Speaker 3: Gail dot com, or in the discord if you if
you're in there and you want to shoot us a message,
or in the main kind of channel where everybody discusses
we can we can plan all that stuff.
Speaker 1: I just love them know if you guys are interested,
because I'm I really am. I mean, maybe we could
just do it anyway because we're like the bosses. But
it would be better if we knew that people were
interested in what we're doing. Otherwise we're just talking a
bunch of a bunch of strict saven shit and it's
just a bunch of opee garbage. So here we are.
You know, it's your guy, it's your guys' call. Really, Gary, Gary,
not Gary Ryan. Hit him with the first slide.
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Speaker 1: We know you shall then?
Speaker 3: Oh what is that?
Speaker 1: No, it's the no. Look it's if you're watching on YouTube,
which you should be, you will see that that's like
three cards.
Speaker 3: Oh I thought that was the Fortress of Solitude together.
Speaker 1: Listen. I am not an artist like UK. I have
a mouse and I refuse to do any art on
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So I'm very impressed with how that turned out. Thank you.
Speaker 3: It's like ice cube stuck together, shut up, which I
mean is a blue thing.
Speaker 1: I guess first card, this is the then, so we're
going from ten to ten to one of the then.
This is twenty nineteen's most popular mono Blue Commanders.
Speaker 3: SI Master Theopterist. What the actual ass?
Speaker 1: I know, money, it's twenty eighteen. He's a one four
for blue and two human ad advisor. No artificer, artificer same,
It's basically the same word. It's basically the same word.
Whenever you cast an artifact spell create a one to
one colorless theopter artifact creature token with flying blue, one
sack and Zack to artifacts draw card.
Speaker 3: This guy's doing the artifact thing. He's making thopters, which
is like a blue thing. He's an artificer human, which
are relevant creature types. His manecost at three is kind
of right in the stick three to five where modern
day commander has like evolved into.
Speaker 1: Let me hear it that man.
Speaker 3: You know what this deck is. This is not my
style of deck. And I know this, this arc isn't
about me, but it's this is free one's doing it.
This is the the fiddly piddly artifact make it go
bur twenty five actions per turn. No during your untapped,
I'm gonna untapp of my guys and take a fifteen
minute turn on your turn.
Speaker 1: This is this is a Laura dec Yeah, fuck her,
and I'm gonna I'm gonna let me hit you with
the thing. And and nobody turned the episode off when
I say this, because it's it's not a spoiler, but
maybe people are thinking it. Okay, okay, people have heard
me talk about this card, and they're thinking of an
entirely different card that costs one more that just does
it better. And we're gonna get to that card.
Speaker 3: Oh we are, well that Okay, we are well, uh
number nine. Yeah, this seems like a product of years
gone by and this was pre universes beyond number ten
Commander like this fits the fucking bill. Okay, it's fox card,
that's whole Primal tighter. Buddy Andy over at Legendary Feature
Podcast loves this guy.
Speaker 1: This surprised the hell out of me. This is a
seven seven for seven can't be countered. You have no
maximum an size whenever in the pony Kazi non creature
spelled draw cards. That's two instances to one of two
that say draw card on them. This card three cards
Exilet Return of the Battle of Tapa the beginning.
Speaker 3: He dives down the Elder Dinosaurs so you can still
play ed h Elder Dinosaur Highlander. Uh. Interesting to know
that two cards in a row, just like we saw
last week that are pre released promos.
Speaker 1: You're gonna see lots of this. I'm trying really hard
when I do the arts to get yeah, the for
the pre now versions, to try and find the princes
where you can see where they're from.
Speaker 3: Yes, and you know what it's It's like Watson knew
that this card could potentially have like Commander implications both
in the command zone or in ninety nine being a
dinosaur and this from exelon whatever whatever, when dinosaurs were
like the stick, right, And.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say that this one probably finds its spot
because it's a seven to seven, which makes a three
pump jump as for commander damage. And then it has one, two, three,
four relevant lines of text on it, because let's not
forget that Blue does have some madness, it does have
some flashback, It does have lots of stuff that lets
you take advantage of cards in your graveyard as well.
So just carding those three cards to save your commander
that's going to kill a guy isn't like a huge
drawback to what you're doing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're playing all the card draw in the world
in this particular deck. You dive them down, you save
them from a removal spell when you're hurting guys, or
when you give them double strike, or when you double
his power and give them double strike. So he's a
one pump and you're playing all of the mass bounce,
all of the mos and you just hit guys for seven,
and you're you're controlling the board and giving yourself opportunities
or seizing opportunities or making sure that opportunities are capitalized
on with his seven power or his dive down or
his can't be countered or his draw cardability. I think
this card rocks.
Speaker 1: He's very good as a commander. I think that he's
I think he's been thoroughly outclassed. There's a zero percent
chance that this guy shows up in the top ten
of now, but that doesn't make him a bad card.
Speaker 3: Let's lik. Okay along that line, I'm not I'm not
asking you if commanders eight through one are outclassed. I'm
going to ask you, are commanders eight through one going
forward in the then category? Are they ones that you're
still like scared or or grown or slump to see?
Speaker 1: Are we talking about Blue?
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, the next eight ones on this list?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: Oh okay, are you scared of this guy when he
sits down? No? Next card?
Speaker 1: What the hell is even happening?
Speaker 3: What this is a combo card? I know, but combo's
proteus staff right, proteus staff? What proteus staffs?
Speaker 1: I get? It's a one one for Blue, one hormnculous
with a really cool art on it. Whenever he enters
the battlefield draw card if it entered from your library
or was cast from your library, you draw two instead
whenever it comes the target of a spell shuffle fibble
hip into its owner's library.
Speaker 3: So you just cast stuff from the top of your library,
or you proteus staff down to the spell that you
want every fucking time and cast that from the top
of your library and you draw cards of course when
that happens. Also, you could make a homunculous deck, ye,
or you could make a fibble thip deck.
Speaker 1: You can make a big eyeballs looking left deck. I
guess that's he's looking to his right.
Speaker 3: He's looking to his right, Yes, But what you could
put this in a big balls deck. I wonder if
our friend Mac plays red puts this in his ball's
deck because he's got a big eyeball.
Speaker 1: Because that's its red and green.
Speaker 3: Maybe he's going to make another one, Maybe he's going
to make a team or balls. Probably already has that, now,
let's let's be honest, He probably already has that.
Speaker 1: He probably does.
Speaker 3: We'll have to ask him in Vegas because he's coming
to the c SEO Experience.
Speaker 1: Watch out.
Speaker 3: I think we'll see him with a with no shirt
on at the pool.
Speaker 1: Yes, probably probably.
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Speaker 1: Can't wait wait, let's just see number.
Speaker 3: What is this?
Speaker 1: Six?
Speaker 3: Are you scared of this guy? No, not even prote
a staff Like you sit down and somebody plops down
a fibble thip and they say, yeah, it's it's fibble thip.
Nice cedh proteus staff combo, crush him, crash him, step
on his fucking balls.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, I play red.
Speaker 3: Doesn't matter which ones his eyes or his like junk.
Speaker 1: I'll get it. Do you rely on an artifact for
your combo? Nice deck, asshole. One, I'm going faster than you,
and two if you happen to get the thing before
I do, I'm probably still gonna suck you up like
I don't. I don't fear this guy at all.
Speaker 3: Of note, he's a two drop commander. Yes. Of note
also for at least promo.
Speaker 1: Yep, okay, next brok Hey, I think lots of people
were expecting to see Aloran Sky Summoner. Yes, he's a
two to two for Blue Blue, and two he's a
murph folk, which is relevant and wizard. Whenever you cast
an instant or surcer, you make a two to two
drake with flying. You know what's an instant. An instant
is all of the counter spells in blue.
Speaker 3: And all of the cantrips that one. I know that
they're not all instance, but they all cost one.
Speaker 1: All the blue cards that kind of are utility. Just
take advantage of this guy existing. This guy was built
to make doing that a strategy. That's why he exists.
That's why he's got the super cool Andy Warhol. Andy
Warhol's side view profile pick do I exist?
Speaker 3: Do we have a trend yet? Talrand plus Fibble Thip
draw card draw card. Yeah, they're all Nazehal draw card
or side draw card. They're all card draw stuff.
Speaker 1: I think the only one that stepped outside it so
far is Talrand because he's just encouraging you to play
the card draw stuff because it gives you a thing.
Speaker 3: And counter spells are like the backup. Like the the
de facto Talran deck Talran deck from three, four, five,
six years ago. Whenever this came out is play all
the cantrips, play all the counter spells to protect yourself,
Play cyclonic rift and friends to make sure your guys
stay out. But there guys don't et cetera, and attack
for the win with twelve or fourteen or sixteen two
two drakes in the air.
Speaker 1: Like we've talked about it lots on the show where
it's like how much is draw card worth to you?
And what Taalran says is for one time, because now
you're gonna play Brainstorm and you're gonna make You're gonna
draw three, put three back, put two back plus make
it two two with flying.
Speaker 3: Two two with flying turns out. When you can do
that over and over, when that's repeatable, that's really good.
Speaker 1: Your entire deck, all the cards in it, say whatever
they say. Then put a two to with flying into play.
And that's what Telluran does. That's why he's here, and
he's a good card. I would say to this. And
if you're watching on YouTube, which you should be, the
art looks really cool. I love these Andy Warhol things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I I'm not gonna say I'm scared of
any of these commanders yet. No, but thus far I
do know what all of them are doing. And it
feels a little bit like Mono Blue. Thus far, top
five of them or whatever we're on, or the ten
through five are decks that are on rails.
Speaker 1: No, you know exactly what you're doing.
Speaker 3: Now, I'm not making a blanket statement. I'm not saying
your deck is on rails. I'm saying these decks feel
like my mind's eye, they're on rails.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 3: So sure, show me the Drake deck that is Talran, like,
show me the.
Speaker 1: Nobody's gonna do that, by the way, No, nobody's gonna
do that.
Speaker 3: Sure as fuck. They better be putting coat of arms
in their Taalran deck because you know, you know, he's
only got he's only got ten guys, and I'm Matt forty.
And then you drop the coata arms and now they're
all hitting for nineteen.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, brother Tuckey.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So I don't know, and I think I think
on rails is the theme so far, because we've seen artifacts,
we've seen cantrips, we've seen counterspells, we've seen you know,
different creature types.
Speaker 1: Instance in sorceries.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, there hasn't been anything that's like, oh, these
are all.
Speaker 1: The same, this is crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, well.
Speaker 1: Gadwick the Wizard, No, I don't. Honestly, I'm gonna say
it's a weird one. I don't remember anybody talking about this.
Speaker 3: I never played against this guy, but including us and
I have never seen anybody play this.
Speaker 1: Three three human Wizard or Blue Blue Blue X that
enters the battlefield to draw X cards. And whenever you
cast a blue spell up that tap target non land.
Speaker 3: Permanent and opponent controls Human Wizard relevant. I think big
big Man are infinite manner relevant.
Speaker 1: I think he's just a big man of dross spell
with a bit of a I don't know. I think
this might be the least interesting card we've talked about
during the Arc.
Speaker 3: Pre release promo of note this guy is a Stroke
of Genius or Blue son Zenith in your command zone. Sure,
very important to acknowledge that nothing wrong with that. Whenever
you cast a blue spell, which is you know every
fucking card in your deck, do something so your opponents
can't hurt you. That's another control sounding statement.
Speaker 1: It taps them so you can't get they can't get
you until they're next turt is. It doesn't stay.
Speaker 3: Tapped well as if I'm not going to cast more shit,
Yeah right, I'm always gonna be casting shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And you know what's even better, tell me I can
cast shit at instant speed because I'm playing Blue, and
I can say things like, uh, uncle Brando, Yo, if
you attack me, I'll tap that shit in response. No,
actually I can't. I can't say exactly, judges, I can't
say that that. I can say things like this, uncle Brando, Yeah,
attack f you Jesse.
Speaker 1: No, yes, no, that's unfair. That's not fair, because yes,
I'm gonna do that every time.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm gonna say, uncle Brando, attack your best friend
over there, who isn't me.
Speaker 1: You're gonna say no, no, what, No, I don't know.
This is a bad example. To listen. The point is I.
Speaker 3: Can tap your ship at instant speedy. Is the point.
And while I can't do an in response to you
attacking me because it's already tapped at that point, for
those for those people who were unaware, I can make
a deal and say I will tap that if you
don't guarantee you're attacking somebody else.
Speaker 1: Although to be fair, that deal doesn't work if you
just lie to the person. If you lie, if you
don't attack me, I won't. Okay, well, I'm I'm already
attacking your.
Speaker 3: I wonder right like, yeah, you're right. Another, I have
another thing that I would like to posit. I'm not
gonna argue for or against this. I just think it's
an interesting point.
Speaker 1: I don't think you should do that. For the record,
No no.
Speaker 3: No, don't lie. Don't lie. We talk lots about reputation building,
reputation management, and nobody wants to be the liar or
have the liar in their group because it's unpredictable. It's
like four three experienced players sitting down with a new player.
You know what the experienced players are going to do
because strategically they know the most and they're the most predictable.
You also know what the not experienced player is going
to do because they know the least. They're not going
to see all the more complex social interactions and game
outside the game shit yep, until they do, and then
they do something unpredictable and it's fucking terrible. Right. So anyways,
this is what I was gonna say, is it would
be interesting to note how many of the cards that
we see over the course of this arc were commands
own preview cards, because our friends Josh Lacroix and Jimmy
Wrong they do have a pretty big YouTube channel and
what they say is sometimes the de facto kind of
feelings and thoughts on situations.
Speaker 1: And stop doing that.
Speaker 3: Well that's to say, stop talking.
Speaker 1: No, stop listening to other people, like, listen to us,
because we're trying to give you a basis on which
to judge things. When somebody says this card is awesome
and it's Gadwick the Wizard, don't listen to them.
Speaker 3: Though, I do think this card's awesome, So listen to me.
I'd play the shit out of this card. Do you no,
then don't. Then don't listen to him because he never
played it.
Speaker 1: He doesn't play it.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: This card isn't that good. It shouldn't be. Number five
was the top ten?
Speaker 3: Would I would play the shit out of this card?
I head flash?
Speaker 1: Of course you would have Flash. Then you put it
in animal and you drop much cards.
Speaker 3: Or anything of my decks that we'd play blue.
Speaker 1: It's not doing that. Let's go the next one.
Speaker 3: A zombie. I thought this is going to be number one?
I are you?
Speaker 1: Are you genuinely saying that?
Speaker 3: Now that I see that this one isn't number one,
I think something else is going to be number one.
Speaker 1: You know what? Now everybody knows what number one is
human Wizard and Red. Everybody knows what number one is
in blue and red. Everybody.
Speaker 3: I bet you if we went backwards in time far enough,
this would be number one. Sure, A zombie is blue
blue blue to human wizard tap an untapped wizard you
control draw card zero two.
Speaker 1: Wizard is the other creature type of blue yep, and
it says draw card. This might come into handy. It
does have three blue pips because nikos is a thing.
Speaker 3: How many how many people are seeing me brush those
little maple bugs off of stuff that's around me?
Speaker 1: I don't know, probably everybody.
Speaker 3: It's fine if you're watching on YouTube, which is shoot
a zombie man. I the very first freaking Commander tournament
I ever played in. I lost to this deck.
Speaker 1: Stop it, damn it.
Speaker 3: I got I got got third or fourth, and then
freaking f you. Joel is playing a zombie, of course
he was, yeah, frick.
Speaker 1: But I feel like slaps. I think this is an
easy card for us to say, like, yeah, like it's
a zero two for fucking five, I'm playing a zombie Voltron.
But it also says like, yeah, we everybody knows why
this card is good. It only gets better with time. Yes,
So is it going to appear in the top ten
of now who can say, but we know why it
was good back then.
Speaker 3: I think it should this card. You want to sit
down against this card, Well.
Speaker 1: In our meta probably it'd probably fine. Out in the wild,
maybe not.
Speaker 3: You know exactly what this deck's doing, fucking kill you
with wizards and they're controlling the board and they're playing
mind over matter and they're doing all the shit. So
the card that they draw, they can discard to untap
their wizards, and they're gonna double their triggered ability so
they can untap multiples and draw multiples.
Speaker 1: And lots of that happens in not Monto Blue. But
I see what you're saying, and I don't know out
in the wild, I would be like a zombie. Holy fuck,
I should pick a stronger deck in our current local mata.
If I saw on a zombie, I would probably be there.
And let's just go.
Speaker 3: A zombie Vultron. And I'm doing the ones where you
switch power and toughness. So her two is actually infinitely
more powerful.
Speaker 1: Than zero, that's true. And then her two is a
zero and she dies. Doesn't do that, Oh, but it's fine.
Speaker 3: Her Andy Warhol picture kind of looks like she's taking
a shoe.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she's definitely crapping her pants and that I'm
not gonna lie to you Ryan. That is why I
heard Andy Warhol is here.
Speaker 3: I thought you were gonna say, I'm not gonna lie
to you, Ryan. I know what that face looks like.
Speaker 1: Why do? And it feels like everybody knows that.
Speaker 3: You crap your pants, you crap other people's pants. The truth.
That's it. Okay, truth baral, chief of compliance. Okay, I'm
starting to see a trending now.
Speaker 1: This is another one that everybody was expected.
Speaker 3: This guy's a real cocksucker. Hey, I hate this guy.
This is another two drop commander. He has a pre
released promo that you could play. This was a card
that got played in like Standard for a while, didn't it.
Another Human Wizard one three, so he's kind of tough
to kill. He can block early games. He blocks them
raging goblins and then Lano war elves yep yep. And
he's instant sorcery spells you cost cast one last cursed
yep yep.
Speaker 1: Well done.
Speaker 3: So he's kind of a manad work in the command
zone yep, which is which is a thing pretty freaking good.
I don't know have you've seen Rafalos Lanimar Emizary. Yeah,
pretty good, because he's bad. Pretty good whenever a spell
and ability you control counters a spell like fucking in blue.
Speaker 1: Yep, when's that gonna happen?
Speaker 3: Draw card than discarded card. That's pretty good.
Speaker 1: It's not bad.
Speaker 3: WHOA that guy's good. I play this guy in like
a couple of decks.
Speaker 1: I feel like this is one of those cards that
we don't need to go to in depth on because
obviously it's the He does the blue thing harder than
any other commander does the blue thing.
Speaker 3: He's he takes all the pretty blue He's even got
blue in his picture.
Speaker 1: He takes all the commander like, all the counter spells
like blue blue one. They're like, ah, do you really
want to do that? All the cancels, and he makes
all of them viable because he turns them all into
counter spell us they draw you a card.
Speaker 3: He puts them all into counterspell man slot with an
upside like scry one or ill two cards or draw
than discard plus he draws than discards.
Speaker 1: What's a blue blue counter spell that has an upside?
Speaker 3: Ah manadrain Yeah?
Speaker 1: What else?
Speaker 3: Yes? Yeah, yeah, everything with Barrall.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so everything is. I can still say it because
it's probably true. It's one step below managed Rain. That's
what Burrall does, and that's why he's on this list.
Speaker 3: A news flash, Barral Decks probably playing Managrain too, yes,
because that's what they do. A little bit of a
trend here, we're seeing all of the Blue Commanders do
the blue thing, play can trips, get incremental value, counter
all your shit, and frankly from the I think the
general population's viewpoint be pain in the asses to play
against because and this isn't this isn't how it ought
to be, but it is how it is. I think
people who play Barrals and the people who want to
do the twenty five counterspell value engine dot deck or
infinite Combo dot deck after the twenty five counterspells are
deployed dot deck are doing that on purpose because they
want to be that player or that toxic person, or
just so, my friend plays dinosaurs, how do I counter
everything he ever plays? And they want to do that.
That's why these are popular, though nobody likes playing with
them or against them, and they don't actually see play
that often. So and I would back this up with saying,
how often do you run into barrawl chief of compliance
on it?
Speaker 1: I don't ever. I don't think I ever have, no,
not one time. And I know Toby, Yeah, guarantee.
Speaker 3: This guy, this guy fucks in lots of decks I play.
I blame in two decks.
Speaker 1: Of course you do.
Speaker 3: I blaime once because I play a deck that's got
like nineteen counterspells in it, and it's my cedh Mill deck,
and he draws me a ton of cards and my
other one is my instance in sorcery copy deck that
I use him as a man o dorc that just
happens to provide value for like I don't know one
other card of my deck. Yeah right, so it's like.
Speaker 1: Why not he costs the same as Sapphire medallion, and
he kind of sorda does the same.
Speaker 3: Thing ish ish ish when twenty five things in your
deck are instance in sorcery, he does the same thing.
Speaker 1: Let's sit the next one one like the card.
Speaker 3: He just gotta be careful. He gotta be careful people,
Well gotta be careful. God eternal Keffe.
Speaker 1: Were you expecting to see them be honest with me?
Because I was very surprised one they kept it so
high and b that they're fucking at all. And and
this is the second uh what planet is they from?
Ammon Cat? And is the second ammon Cat God to
appear in the top ten of the then list.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the first one was the white one. So this
is reveal the first card you draw each turn. Whenever
you reveal an instant or sorcery, this way copy it
and it costs too less to cast.
Speaker 1: No, you can cast the copy for two less.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, fact, same thing. Everybody knew what I meant.
And if it dies, you put a third from the top.
It's a four or five flyer for four sure zombie God,
which is strangely relevant in blue and in five color
god dot deck and prove least promo because fuck it,
that's that's the trend life. Yeah, good card.
Speaker 1: I think we could say all the same stuff that
we've said about a lot of the previous cards where
it's got card draw it encourages to play. It encourages
you to play. Instance, the sorceries, which in blue are
cards that draw you cards are interaction. It really does
kind of I don't want to say it mainlines you
down the pipe of blue.
Speaker 3: But I got a blue pipe, I'll tell you that much.
Speaker 1: But it is and balls they are doing that, though
there has not been a card we've talked about yet
that isn't focused on instance and sorceries. And in blue
instance and sorceries are counterspells or draw cards.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and and the card draw thing is is the
glue like card draw is the glue that holds the
blue together. See what they did there. Yeah, And you
don't need to be doing the counterspell thing if the
deck isn't putting it on rails for you, but you
are casting instances or so maybe maybe the the highway
that we're on is a little bit wider than just
counter spells, because instance and sorceries is kind of the highway.
But counter spells are there, and whatever the fuck kef
Net's doing is there too.
Speaker 1: But there is a road that we're on, and it's
going straight to spuck it somewhere. Let's see where it goes.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: This one is surprising to me, which which I appreciate.
I like the unexpected. I want to say huh, no
way and both figure out why and and also just
be happy that it's not just Barrall Chief of Compliance
fifty eight times. Yeah, or things like that.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'll bet you people were thinking that one. They're like, oh,
here's the blue there's one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this has got to be getting close to number one.
Emory Lurker of the Lock, Mrfolk Wizard Relevant Creature Types
one two pre released promo for three Manna. This spell
costs one less to cast for each artifact you control.
So really she costs one because you're putting all the
fast man in her deck. Because for a long time
this was like a c comm And I.
Speaker 1: Do remember Emory. I did play against Emory a fair bit.
Speaker 3: When she enters a battlefield. Look at that. Put the
top four cards of your library into your g yard. Okay,
I don't hate that. Nope, I don't hate it.
Speaker 1: No, put it drama.
Speaker 3: Because choose target artifact card from your graveyard, you cast
that card this turn. You do that by tapping her.
Speaker 1: And she is a pre modern I want to say
pre modern because that implies something else. Yeah, but this
is a card that had modern sensibilities but wasn't printed
in the modern day. Because you can do that over
and over again.
Speaker 3: Pre modern lower case m.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you were to if they were to print
Emory now, it would come into play with a finality
counter on it. The way this card is printed as
it is, you can get your kCi back, and if
somebody kills it your next turn, you can just get
your kCi.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, get it back with a finality
counter on it, or cast it for free, or put
it into play from your graveyard with a finality counter
on it.
Speaker 1: So remove it from your graveyard and copy you can
count that, cast the copy for free, like they do
something to limit it. You can't just play the same card.
Speaker 3: Every yes, so if you have something that ETBs and
draws a card, for example, and you have a mind
over matter in play, you can discard that card and
untap your memory to get another thing, and get another thing,
and get another thing, and then it turns into a
combo instead of a once per turn. We just outlined
other ways that they can kind of put that once
per turn clause on things. Finality counter is exiled, et cetera,
and this doesn't have that, which makes it more powerful.
Generally speaking, I think that the curve of power that
exists under this is broad, but not quite as high
as like get it Now, and get it for free
and win. Now yes, so like absolutely that's more powerful.
But this allows you to do it over and over
and over and over and over and get the value
and do the artifact thing. We haven't seen a true
artifact card on this list since, sigh at number ten.
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll get there. Oh yeah, maybe we will. Who
can say?
Speaker 3: Who can? Who? I wonder if it's going to be
another pre release promo card it costs formata.
Speaker 1: It might be.
Speaker 3: Well, let's find out. Oh it is, oh so weird.
Speaker 1: Who would have thought that the top number one best
top ten in twenty nineteen Mono Blue Artifact Commander would
be Urza Lord High Artificer the one four for Blue
Blue two Ryan read the rest because I can't see
it though.
Speaker 3: When he enters a battlefield, put a zero one with
or a zero zero with gets plus one for each
artifacts you control, and it's an artifacts. Yeah, so it's
a one one. Also tap an untapped artifacts you control.
Add blue why not? Everything mocks Everything can has mocks
Diamond YEP or sky diamond if you're Brando. Also five
shuffle your library exile the top card. You can play
it without paying for it. Everything has no temporal extortion,
Mine's desired different card. Okay, kind of does that, but
temporal extortion is the card.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, the temple of extortion goes you turn.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, temporal manipulation. Maybe I like what I'm fucking
looking it up, dude, I gotta look it up now.
Speaker 1: I like Mind's desire better. The point is this is
obviously the number one Yes Mono Blue oh Amander card.
It's every combo. It does all the things that Blue does,
but like kind of.
Speaker 3: More temporal aperture. But your five shuffle your library, reveal
the top card until it turn. As long as that
card remains the top of your library, play that card
without paying its manocost x is zero, so don't fuck around. Sure,
temporal aperture, but Mine's desire pretty close, So yeah, this
guy close. People were calling for a band when this
came out, because not only does it do if you
blink it, you get lots of shit. It makes everything
into a card that's banned. And also Temporal aperture was
a card that was part of probably the most prolific
combo deck in magic, the Gathering history in Standard, the
Academy deck that had temporal aperture and tillary Academy and
Mox diamond and chrome, No Lotus, pedal and stroke a genius,
a fucking instant.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course it is. Magic is bad. Back in
the day. The creature is bad. Not the cards.
Speaker 3: No so erza man this card and car, of course
it is. I played out of this.
Speaker 1: Card, of course. And for the record, he is by
far and away number one. It's not even close. In blue.
It's spoiler. Sorry, but.
Speaker 3: You are you scared of this card when you sit
down like.
Speaker 1: You take not Yeah, when somebody says I'm playing Lord
the Lord High Artifice, so it's like, okay, I'm gonna okay.
Speaker 3: I actually like I didn't used to like this about
the card. But my thoughts about Commander have evolved and matured,
and my thoughts about different build paths, and we used
to say it lots unique gameplay experiences have evolved, and
you know me, I'm a sucker for artifact combo decks
as long as you're not Piddley. I love me some
temporal aperture. I love mine's desire. I played it ship
out of that my Cascade deck. Cool, I would make
that my deck and incidental value with the carnstruct and
like actual value with the mocks diamond or the the
mock sapphire thing, of course, but also like you could
just build a big Man of Blue deck with this
guy and and do like Urza Sea creatures because Big
Man of Blue.
Speaker 1: But you're not doing that.
Speaker 3: You could do a Blink deck and make carnstruck fucking
tribal or whatever.
Speaker 1: With all of the free artifact decks, in which case
you're doing the first thing you talked about, which is,
oh my god, I'm playing all the free artifacts here
I go. It's it's a hard one.
Speaker 3: It's a hard it's a hard one to convince people on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is all because even if you're doing not
the thing, you're still probably doing a thing or why
are you playing He's he's too focused on being good
to not be good. And I'm not saying he's too
good should be banned, he's a game changer, he's turgered,
whatever the fuck, he's.
Speaker 3: Just really, he's the best card in Mono blue. Yeah,
he's the best card. Okay, if we call the number
one commander in the color combat that we're looking at
the best one, that might not be true, right, Like
my truck isn't all made out of steel though it
has steel parts, right, it's not steel it's made out
of steel, right.
Speaker 1: So it might not be true in this case. I
think maybe it might be.
Speaker 3: What I think people run into. Like if I sit
down with Ana Deck and we know each other, ye right,
I can say to you, Brando, no, it's it's a
temporal aperture deck.
Speaker 1: And I will still fuck you up.
Speaker 3: And you you might believe me, but you still fuck
me up. Be CAUZERSA. I could say, okay, Brando, Actually
I didn't want to do a Zorius blink. I wanted
to do Mono blue blink. No counter spells. It's like
artifact beat down, right, and you have to take that
at face value because you trust me. You don't have
to trust some stranger. Though A and B it's still Erza.
I can still do powerful shit probably and see I
shouldn't be required to give pretty much a fucking dissertation
during my real zero conversation for you.
Speaker 1: Just to believe me. That's why I don't believe in
rule zero is because of the dissertation gimmick.
Speaker 3: Like I thought it was your fetish.
Speaker 1: No. I hate rule zero.
Speaker 3: No, we made stickers.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, you made stickers, and I sell them for you.
Speaker 3: The the real, the fetishized rule zero is the sticker
that we get like the most compliments on good Yeah,
the real zero, Zipper, mass commander, cocoat dot com, cheaper screepers.
So that's this is number one.
Speaker 1: That's number one on the old school list baby shocking
artifacts combo.
Speaker 3: We've seen a few times.
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh and blue smoter than you?
Speaker 4: Oh the Souesion instance colors pill as well codes.
Speaker 3: I see the most cards by drawing and discarding and cantripping.
I must be smarter than you because I have more
decisions to make. Yeah, you might be smarter than me,
but how good are you at making decisions? I think
that blue is a difficult color to play, especially because
people try to fucking ranch on you because they assume
you're doing what you are.
Speaker 1: Thinking you're doing trying to do because you think that
you're doing the thing. But you have to outsmart three
other people who have very lots fewer decision points to
fuck themselves over than you.
Speaker 3: Yes, and a vendetta against you.
Speaker 1: If I'm playing somewhere like every five turns, I have
to make an actual impactful decision versus you, who has
to kind of do it every time anything happens.
Speaker 3: The odds are you're going to screw up before I
do yes or more time. Sometimes you screw up and
it's like non consequential or the consequence is very low.
Speaker 1: When you screw up, somebody else covers for you.
Speaker 3: But they can compound. And I find that Blue is
the most compounding mistake color, because the only thing I
can do is get something right to gain incremental value,
or do something wrong to lose incremental value, and that
adds up.
Speaker 1: I still remember, I forget who I was playing against.
It was it was an Omnath game, and it was
I'm blowing you out Omnath gave. But I do remember
somebody saying, man, I shouldn't have countered Omnath the second
time that game, because I could have maybe gotten you
with this cyclonic rift.
Speaker 3: Hmmm.
Speaker 1: And I mean, that's a ridiculous example, but it is
an example of the incrementalness of blue, where it's like
you can either win or not based on just stopping
somebody from doing a single thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you not a lot.
Speaker 1: Of colors have those kind of issues.
Speaker 3: And Okay, that's this the last thing I'll say. But
I'm gonna tell you something, tell me tell you something.
I think maybe I think that blue for me personally
is the most rewarding color for me to play. And
blue also the reason I think I get kind of
a little bit of a rap or a reputation at
the CCO experience for always losing, because I'll play a
mono blue deck just to try and get that thrill
of outsmarting and manipulating people socially in a fun and
healthy competitive way sure to try and get the win,
because that reward for winning through using all of my
mental and psychological and social prowess is so much more
worth it to me then, you know, putting out like
one hundred guys that I'll have twenty power like, I
want to do that one thing and incrementally gain value
until I have enough to make the one decision that
disallows you from winning right. And I think, while I'm
saying the same thing that people say, though I'm smarter
than you, i play blue, I'm better than you, I'm
saying the same thing. I want to be the guy
who does make that decision and gets it right. But
I want to do it because it's rewarding and it's
interesting and it's fun, and it's usually a story. Yeah,
it's not me wanting to beat you because I think
I'm better than you, and I think that's the positive
connotation that you can get from the color blue instead
of the negative. I'm fucking smarter than you, You suck.
Go back to playing red and green. Your mouth breather.
Speaker 1: Yes see. I like to play red because it means
my head's harder than yours, because when I smash mine
into yours, I'm the one that's the.
Speaker 3: When my head's mostly blue. Yeah yeah, I'm all the
way down to the shaft. Okay, okay, okay, I'm gonna
drink this beer or do you want that one? I
like that one?
Speaker 1: Well, too bad, I'm opening it. Look at it.
Speaker 3: Look if I open this one for you and you
open this one for me?
Speaker 1: Okay, sure, eh, Well you've still gotta have a pile
of bones on the table. Oh yeah, wait, wait, got there.
You know what we're doing if you're watched on YouTube,
which is so now we're gonna go on to the
top ten of now, but we have to start what
is what number eleven of the top ten of now,
and I wanted number eleven of the top ten of
now because when I did the comparison, I got idiot.
Richel Com sent me the top ten of then, and
when I was going to the top ten of now
to get the information, I noticed number eleven and I
wanted to bring number eleven in based on what the
top ten is. Does that make sense?
Speaker 3: And this is the top this is the number eleven.
Speaker 1: Of ten of now, of now, of now now currently,
So let's see what that was, right, Let's see what
number eleven is now. It's a zombie again. So she
hasn't fallen all the way out of favor, but she
has fallen to number eleven. But I wanted to point
out like she's she's pretty close, like she's within a
few hundred decks of being in the top ten, but
she didn't quite make it. So I just I wanted
to honorable mention her. I didn't want to say honorable
mention because that makes me sound like a d bag.
Speaker 3: Hmm, well, a zombie. Now we're going on to This
is number ten.
Speaker 1: This is number ten of now.
Speaker 3: Baby, Now, we gotta do now.
Speaker 1: We gotta do now. With the blue man as symbol,
and you know that if you watched on YouTube, which
you should be.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I could definitely tell if that's what that is.
Looks like blue balls, I would know dangly sack.
Speaker 1: Yeah, with now in it, Leonardo da Vinci, we're gonna
start off with and get this. A universe is beyond
card Okay, the Assassin's Creed, this is number one. There's
too many words on it. They'll see you.
Speaker 3: I'm not reading it.
Speaker 1: I'm not reading it either.
Speaker 3: H toughness x X for ex's number of cards in
your hand? Okay, thopters, okay, draw CARDI is his second ability,
human artificer. We've seen a lot of these things, yes,
oopter something something second ability.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: As at the Mona Lisa on it, it seems like
it's Fiddley twenty five lines of text three three for three.
I'm like, I'm I'm not surprised. Yeah, I'm not surprised
that those words are on a card that's in the
top ten. I am surprised that it's Leonardo da Vinci
from Assassin's Creed, Yeah I was.
Speaker 1: I was also surprised by that.
Speaker 3: Eh wow.
Speaker 1: And again, if you're watching this when it first comes
out or near like its release date. This is this
part is very verifiable, like this is what is what
it is if you can go back, Oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is one hundred percent what it is because
Da Trek just sent you this ship.
Speaker 1: Yes, this is this is the current shit. So if
you're like, no way they're making this ship up bullshit,
this is this is our first one and it's a
reversed universes beyond.
Speaker 3: Listen, we've never made anything the one truth on Commander Cookout,
tell the uh, what's what's a what's a what's a
synonym for truth? That starts to see the Sea word
control the Information Cookout podcast. Yeah, the information is the truth.
Speaker 1: Sea Word Cookout Podcast.
Speaker 3: Yeah, broad Chief.
Speaker 1: Look he's back, but he's down at number nine. Now
good now we yeah, like we talked about him. He's
the same deck. The deck has technically gotten better over time.
Speaker 3: But people are wise en up, they're not being such dicks.
Speaker 1: But people aren't playing him as much. And I, you
know what, I can appreciate that.
Speaker 3: Oh let me yes, let me rephrase. The people who
are dicks are still dicking around. There's just less of
them as an overall function of of how many blue
players there.
Speaker 1: Are yeah, and and I mean we still got.
Speaker 3: Theoretically to go theoretically, Yes, we don't know what cards
seven through whatever?
Speaker 1: Are you yes?
Speaker 3: Or nine through whatever? Okay, em there's Emry again? What that?
Speaker 1: I know we talked about her already too now with
a super cool watercolor secret layer treatment.
Speaker 3: I did do a full art of that one time.
It looked very good.
Speaker 1: I believe you. Uh, Emory still came. Well, it's almost
like artifact decks haven't gone away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, artifact decks and thopter decks and counterspell decks in
the last couple of years. Has anything changed with regards
to that?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: Oh, have those strategies become better or worse? Or do
different people play them? Do they have a different spot
in the meta? Has anything changed? No? Oh, well, what's
the next card? M mean Wiley illusionist me and Wiley
illusion is.
Speaker 5: From I don't want to point this Dungeons and Dragons
because Dungeons and Dragons is technically universes beyond technically it
technically is.
Speaker 1: But I don't count it.
Speaker 3: I don't count I don't think people count them.
Speaker 1: Somebody asked me a little while like after after the
White episode last week, are you counting Dungeons and Dragons
Universe beyond, and I'm not just because Dungeons and Dragons
and nobody started talking about universes beyond with Dungeons and Dragons.
Nobody cared. No, it's like, oh it fits in, so well,
this is just a different thing that I know, So
I'm not counting it. They don't count. This isn't a
U B card. I think, I take the gathering card.
It just so happens to be a named character from universe.
Speaker 3: And it goes both ways, right, Like you can play
Dungeons and Dragons and have campaigns that exist in magic worlds, yes,
and not magic Dungeons and Dragons world no, like Ravnika. Yes,
it's very specifically a magic world. Yes, So it goes
both ways. They're synonymous. They're made by this people are
the same groups of people's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what does this thing do. It's it's a
one three one three norm wizard for blue blue one.
Whenever you draw your second card each turn, there it
is create a one to one blue illusion creature token.
With this, creature gets plus one plus zho for each
other illusion you control, So the more you do it,
the bigger they get.
Speaker 3: It sounds like carnstruckts.
Speaker 1: Whatever illusion you control each shit, you may put a
permanent card with man of value less than are equal
to that creature's power into play for free.
Speaker 3: It's actually good. You just gotta you've gotta draw multiple
cards every turn, and when you do, you get big
bigs and then when they die, like I don't know,
sacrificing them for value incremental or huge in this case,
huge because you get shipped from your hand that you
drew for free. Yes, I think this card's actually good.
I think that it takes your whole deck working together. Yeah,
to do the thing.
Speaker 1: You got the Rube Goldberg machine to draw two cards
on four separate turns.
Speaker 3: And what I like about the sacrifice the thing, Yes,
what I or block to gain virtual life. This is fine.
What I like about this is it doesn't do the
same thing. I'm not using twenty five counter spells of
my deck. I'm not doing artifact fiddliness. I'm not doing
you know, blink for value, draw card ETB get a guy,
put a counter on sacrifice, get a guy, get a
good counter on untapped, Like, I'm not doing that.
Speaker 1: First time we've seen that in blue right.
Speaker 3: Now, on this list, on this list specifically, first time
we see not doing that to get your value is
this one pree value is you may play permanent card
with man of value less than an equal to creature's
power from your hand, and that could be you.
Speaker 1: You just put it in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, any big blue fucking dumb idiot yep consecrated Sphinx, dinosaur, omniscience,
sea creatures, omniscients because yeah, that card's not not a
blue card at all, doesn't let me cast my alternate
extra turn spells for free.
Speaker 1: I know what he would do that? Yeah, insane?
Speaker 3: Okay, so this this bucks the trend a little bit,
though it does give us like kind of a carnstruct equivalent.
Speaker 1: Yeah he can whatever tis what tis? Yes, Oh telleran
sky summoner, And the coolest version of him I could
find is the etched foil, the dirty, stink and rotten
covered in dust and then driven over with the floor
polisher version of talleran sky Summoner. I know, I know,
we talked about him already. Let's go to the next one.
We all know why Talarand is still around. It's very obvious.
Speaker 3: And I think he gets better as spells get better.
Speaker 1: Correct.
Speaker 3: That's why I don't think spells are getting better. But
there's goods that go in your Talaran deck.
Speaker 1: That's why I would argue he is higher than the
counterspell guy. His counterspell guy was numbered nine.
Speaker 3: Counter Spells aren't getting better than counterspell and manadrain.
Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: But but spells you want in your Talaran deck are getting.
Speaker 1: Better, yeah, general instance, in sorceries, there's a lot more
like kill a guy.
Speaker 3: Aren't there spells that are better than fucking brainstorm and
pong afy and and.
Speaker 1: Not better than, but equal to I would say the exist.
Speaker 3: Or maybe just divergent from and I can do something
that's actually fucking interesting now, which I think is cool.
Speaker 1: Sure, But like if you can do the thing like
you got pong a Phi, then they do reality shift.
The cloak one, the Cyberman one, the salamander one, right
like they're all the same thing. They cost two. They
kill a creature. You play all five of them, and
all of a sudden, now you're playing talarrand because all
of your things say kill a thing plus make it
two to a flying.
Speaker 3: Can kill a thing, get a thing, get a thing? Yeah,
you're you're yeah, yeah, I don't think that that's a
spell is getting better. I think that's getting redundancy in
a spell slot that's good in this deck. Yes, and
and that's why he stays more relevant.
Speaker 1: And I would argue that's why that's why Blue I
think stays the way that it is the top ten
then versus the top ten. Now, I think becomes not
a spell is getting better, it's it becomes a Oh,
we don't want to reprint pong a phy, so let's
just kind of let's tweak it and let's reprint pomify,
you know, and we're gonna I think you'll see, you'll see.
Speaker 3: Okay, you'll see. You mean, there might be more that
are the same.
Speaker 1: We don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe they will be.
Speaker 3: Maybe they will be. Who can say.
Speaker 1: Back the grand grand eloquent, Yes, is a one for
you read him. He's this is even the art that
you own. You're welcome.
Speaker 3: I don't play this art.
Speaker 1: You should.
Speaker 3: I play OGR.
Speaker 1: Because I fucking gave it to you, So you should
play this one.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, what if I what my butt with it?
Speaker 1: Oh man, you're so lucky you have a darkness print
visions Griffin Canyon because okay, do you know what I'm
gonna hang on?
Speaker 3: No, I don't want to know.
Speaker 1: I'm not telling you how many I have.
Speaker 3: Okay, good, that's what I don't want to know.
Speaker 1: I was gonna wait for you to go away literally
this summer, like die, no, be out of your house
this summer. And I was going to get the dude bros.
And I was gonna go to your house. I was
to your backyard with my dark missprint visions Griffin canyons
and explode them. Yes, I was going to attach them
to a firework and shoot them off in your backyard
and blow them all up. But then somebody fucking sent
one to you. And now that means less. I still
might do it. We don't know, but I might still
do it. So be aware. You might get a noise
complaint while you're away.
Speaker 3: Sometimes this no my neighbors would come okay good, they'd
be like, what are you doing? Some nerd shit, like
is there beer?
Speaker 1: Well there? I might not bring beer for everybody.
Speaker 3: Like well no, but if there's if it's a beer
drinking occasion.
Speaker 1: Oh there, it will be okay, okay good. That might
be a thing that happens that I can I come. No,
oh no, you absolutely cannot be there. Gary can come?
Speaker 3: What if I show you my dark misprinted Griffin canyon,
you accidentally hook it up with a fish hook to
a fucking Roman candle and then shoot it at me
like it's baseball practice, and I hit it, and I
hit a home run with a fricking Griffin Canyon with
a brewvac tape to my bat.
Speaker 1: Do you think I could convince Rebecca give me a
key to your house so while you are gone, I
could go into your home.
Speaker 3: You could pillage my basement.
Speaker 1: On camera, on camera and get it.
Speaker 3: In some countries, you can't pillage basements on camera.
Speaker 1: You go to jail, and then on camera after I've
pillaged your basement of you're a darkness print vision Griffin canyon.
I could attach it with the rest of the darkness
print vision of Griffin canyons that I own to that
firework and that.
Speaker 3: Yes, you're gonna tape them there like frickin' fins like
on the fucking Artemis two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, I watched that launch and I I wanted,
I want to do my own.
Speaker 3: You're gonna send some Griffin canyons to the moon.
Speaker 1: To the moon, but I don't want to listend to
the moon. I want to send them just far enough
where they fucking blow up and fall down to the
ground in flames, like the Challenger. That's what I want.
Speaker 3: That's a dead dark joke.
Speaker 1: We're get canceled like Jim Cornette.
Speaker 3: Ah once I get canceled like every late show.
Speaker 1: This represents the mono blue.
Speaker 3: I haven't I haven't read it yet.
Speaker 1: Read the rest.
Speaker 3: It's a one for human Wizard, human advisor. My bad
doesn't die of the lightning bolt, by the way for
three and if an opponent would mill one or more cards,
they mill twice that many instead. Freaking good this card.
It's like one of my favorite cards. I know it
is human relevant, advisor relevant to me. Three Manna right
in that sweet spot exists, very very very important to Yeah,
a man. This card slaps fucking one card combo with
like maddening cacophone.
Speaker 1: Madden the cacophony and traumatize. And I think there's one
other one.
Speaker 3: There's a couple that mill half and then you round
it up and some of them are rounded up, some
of them are rounded down, so they get one draw
maddening cacophony. They don't. It always gets them, and that's great.
Madd in the cacophony costs two, so you can find
it with like muddle the mixture and muddle the mixture
also finds cyclonic rift because it costs two.
Speaker 1: So this is matta.
Speaker 3: Drain also costs too.
Speaker 1: This is the This is the legit I would, I think,
and you can back me up on this, because maybe
I'm wrong. I would say this is the de facto
mill commander, even though I would also argue there is
a better one.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, this is This is the blue mill commander,
And if you want to do mill, this is the
guy and he does the one thing, and this is
the thing that he does if you want to do mill,
by just playing like infinite manna in blue and make
you like stroke you for a million, like that's probably
I would love that. Probably a better deck, I don't know,
Maybe it isn't. I play Stroke of Genius in this
deck and there's infinite combos in it. I could stroke you.
I'd rather stroke myself for ten Yeah, that's all it takes.
Really stroke myself ten times. I probably have enough to
beat you. The socks full you Wow, mine's not. But
here what the next one?
Speaker 1: Ryan? This card slaps like the sock with the.
Speaker 3: Next on the sock once it's all freaking crusty.
Speaker 1: I played this guy too, Yes you do. I knew
you were gonna like blue or for the all form?
Is it three to three for blue and three Changeling
shape Shifter has all creature types? Is what that meant?
Whenever you cast an interest or source to be spell,
there's a blue thing. If it targets one or more
permanence you control, create a token that's a copy of
the targeted permanence, and there's, of course there's more. Whenever
spell or ability an opponent control, discard discarded card, create
a token that's a copy of target permanent.
Speaker 3: The first one is very sorry. The last ability is
very irrelevant because not often do they play things that
make you discard, like anti turgrid Tech came from the
same set, yeah, or yeah it was in the same
block or the same standard environment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like what the fuck is happened?
Speaker 3: But it's for is target my lord? Because he's every
creature type you play, all the mere lords, all the
murpholk lords, all the dragon lords, all this lord, all
that lord, all the bunny lords, all the jerk off lords,
all the yeah yeah, and then you just target them
with untap your guy, so you get two of them.
Untap your guy, buy back. You get two of them,
and I get my spell back and you gain incremental
value that turns into Eggro value instead of card advantage value.
Some people combo with them because it's buy back and
man and you can cast things over and over and
over and make a whole team of guys and then
a Chroma's memorial or some way give them haste and
then attack. And that's that's a fine way to do things.
Speaker 1: Infinite manna with a capsize and a lord will get
you infinite damage.
Speaker 3: That'll do, Pig that'll do, And that's great. If you
don't play infinite combos, you can still get incremental value
down the Eggro avenue. And that's why I like this
guy is he's doing the blue thing. I'm casting an
instance sorcery. I'm copying something, all right, but I'm gonna
hit you with morpholk and I'm gonna probably hit you
for like twenty a turn.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna say I'm gonna say this for for blue.
This one does say your shit. So it does encourage
you to do the blue thing, but on your own stuff. Yes,
you're not bouncing other guy's stuff, you're not doing whatever,
and you're still doing that probably, but like, it encourages
you to interact more with your own board than everybody else's.
So like and I think that though, I think that
that deserves to be pointed out. Yeah, that deserves mentioned
that that that.
Speaker 3: Can I and you know what, I like this guy.
We haven't mentioned this a whole ton in the Blue
episode so far, despite how long it is. This guy.
I have seen lots of decks of this guy. I've
played with it, I've played against it. I've seen I'm
not gonna I'll say more competitive versions, but I don't.
I don't mean c Edh or Var, So don't jump
on me in the comments or do. I don't care.
I've seen ones that play target to copy. I've seen,
like instance, in Sorcery versions of clones, so you actually
get two clones like a cackling counterpart and or Var's
trigger yep. I've seen ones that do lords like mind you,
lords of every variety, Wizards, mirror, Murpholk yep, Drakes, dragons, everything,
I've seen ones that are pretty hard and fast draw
go control decks that will target your guy might like
my own guy at the end of player forced turned
to make value at the end of your turn, so
I can on tap with a guy with virtual haste
who's maybe a man odorc or something.
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 3: So I've seen a bunch of different versions of this deck,
and I like how agro control combo. You've got the
main three archetypes there, clone, my turn, your turn. There's
a bunch of different builds yep. And I think that
is a testament to modern design of magic.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 3: I don't think that that's just common to this card
in blue. I think as we go through this arc,
the modern cards are going to have lowercase M more
modern cards than now. Cards are going to have those
multiple avenues of build that we can talk about.
Speaker 1: And I agree with that. I agree with that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think first one that.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, this is cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's cool. Or of our clone deck, you would
play the ship out of.
Speaker 1: That absolutely because your.
Speaker 3: Instant in sorcery, clone, spells action clone twice.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 3: I think it's great.
Speaker 1: I think so too cool.
Speaker 3: Okay, maybe we've got another card.
Speaker 1: It's the mine, it's the mind Skinner.
Speaker 3: You're not.
Speaker 1: We all knew, I don't know. You obviously didn't know. Fuck,
I played a shit out of this. It's a ten
one for three, he's a ten to one. All three
of those are blue. Can't be blocked if a source
to control would the damage to an opponent prevent that damage,
and each opponent mills that many cards. We talked about
the blue Mill deck. I think that mind Skinner is
probably just.
Speaker 3: The this is blue aggro, this is blue voltron Agro.
I'm not I don't give a shit about mill. I'm
hitting you for ten or twenty or forty. And it
just so happens that the card says, actually your opponent's
deck is how much life they have instead of twenty
or forty. Yeah, oh fuck.
Speaker 1: I like this card, like I think people we've talked about,
and I don't want to downplay it. I don't want
to just skim over it. But I think that the
mind Skinner is a card we've talked about lots and
lots in the thing. We already talked about the mill strategy.
Speaker 3: And blue and this one's on rails because it's eggro.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people, know how the mind skinner works. They know
how to do it, but they want to do the
mill thing. But they don't want to do the mill thing.
They don't want to do what's his name, avac dramatized.
They don't. They don't want to do that. They want
to Well, I'm so smot, I'm blowing blue. I'm gonna
play the mind skinner because you're a good egg roll
just disorders.
Speaker 3: Do you know what I think it is? I think
that nice oh double you'd see if you're watching on YouTube.
Speaker 1: What should be I have?
Speaker 3: If I was gonna build Uncle Brando a mill deck,
I would build an or Var deck. Sorry, I'm a
fucking mind skinner deck. Orvar on the brain. Well, I
I gotta get skin on the brain. I would build
a mind skinner deck because it doesn't play like a
traditional mill deck. It plays pump spells, it plays efficient creatures,
it plays equipment that gives double strike for example. It
does all that stuff. And when you go all in
on any strategy doesn't matter if it's combo or like
drago control or stacks or eggro. If you go all in,
you are putting yourself on rails. You are writing a
script that you just have to play out on stage
until you win or you die. And the Mind Skinner
is very much like that. But I like it because
it ain't freakin' green or red sure or gruel or
or ractose or whatever.
Speaker 1: Not red or green or gruel. Sure. Yeah, I don't
feel attacked at all. In two weeks, I'm gonna show
you how good cards aren't.
Speaker 3: Yes and lost on a lot of people too. Is
this card's first line of text. It can't be blocked,
prevent that damage. Each opponent mills. It's an enchantment creature. Yeah,
there's there's so many weird words and phrases on this card.
And that's the other thing.
Speaker 1: Is in the picture he's a glove.
Speaker 3: He's giving you the fucking glove.
Speaker 1: Like the If you look at the picture, he's a glove.
And then when you look at like the bigger he's
a glove. He's he's like the hand. And yeah, people dead,
people dead. Two with the hand, I cut it off
at the wrist and he changed his hand off. The
hand tries to kill him, deaf, sit in his own mouth.
Same thing he didn't, he didn't well the hands.
Speaker 3: He does now he does now. And you know what, man,
I think it's fricking awesome. I love and okay, second
one in a row. We're seeing a lot of weird
phrases and abilities that allow for creativity. He's an enchantment.
Put him in your enchantment deck. I know that takes
him out of the command zone, but.
Speaker 1: It takes him out of the it takes him out
of blue.
Speaker 3: He's he's a ten to one. That's weird.
Speaker 1: Put him in your red deck with fucking.
Speaker 3: Damage can't be prevented. Then he hits you for ten
put a fucking imfect on them. Hell yeah, skull crack
hitch you for ten flash in a fucking tainted pack. Die.
Yeah fuck, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: I just thought that would be pretty good. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: And then they test protection. You go, it doesn't work
like that. Damage can't be FORGID to take infect and
you've got ten counters.
Speaker 1: You die. It's true. See the next one, rhyan.
Speaker 3: Oh. I thought this was neazahal.
Speaker 1: It looks like na Hall, but it's illuge the Shoreless Sea,
which is a star star for blue blue Blue one elemental.
Speaker 3: Fish Ah, that's creechure time you haven't seen yet.
Speaker 1: Power on top of its equal to number of islands
you control.
Speaker 3: Cool.
Speaker 1: Whenever it enters or attacks, you put a flood counter
on target, target.
Speaker 3: Land, target, basement.
Speaker 1: It's an island in addition to its other types, so
you can turn lands into islands as well. The first
instance of sour Story you cast each turn costs blue
to cast for one each land you control with a
flood counter on it.
Speaker 3: Mind Skinner's listening. Yes, I don't actually own this card.
I wish I did, because it goes straight into mind
Skinner A four to four for four that makes more
guys into islands. This is a weird one, but I
know that it's again got a lot of weird fucking
words on it.
Speaker 1: It makes counterspell costs none. Oh, I like that, that's
what it I think that's why it's so high, because
it makes your counterspells, all of them become better than
force of Will. After two, if it enters and attacks
and stays in play, counterspell becomes better than force of will.
And force of Will is a card that people are
dreading every single time they play a spell in magic.
Speaker 3: All my counter spells can has force of will.
Speaker 1: Yes, better than Force it will because you don't have
to lose a life or exilent card from your hand
better than force it will.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I just come to tear.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I lose plus lightning grieves make counter spell better
than force of will, and I hope people who do it.
But once he's attacked and stays in play, yes, it
is so shut up.
Speaker 3: Do you have this card? Yes, you're gonna trade my
Darkness printed Griffin. Can you for it?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: Maybe we can talk. Maybe we can talk. I don't
own this card and I want it in at least
two decks. Yeah. The card's good, and I think it
falls back to the trend of just the counterspell dot deck,
but this is the modern iteration of it where it
could also do extra things because it's this postmodern. We've
got a print commanders that have literally eighty six lines
of text.
Speaker 1: On makes all your other stuff just costs less.
Speaker 3: This guy's getting high up that we must be getting
close to one, and.
Speaker 1: Flood counter isn't the most difficult. There's other cards that
you flood count as well, so like el you's got
support yo.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a card from Mirroreden that puts flood counters
on brick there's no spreading seas.
Speaker 1: Is spreading seas, no spreading seas.
Speaker 3: Just it just makes it.
Speaker 1: But there are other things that do flood counters anyway,
so it's not unheard of that it can be.
Speaker 3: I'll take it things, I'll freaking take it.
Speaker 1: You will bottom all again, we're at number one of today.
What a surprise. It's still Zain for all the reasons
that we talked about, and not only is the number
one card in Blue stillers. If you're watching on YouTube,
which should be, you will notice that they went to
the man in Final Fantasy a mano, Yoshi Taka to
Yoshi Taka a mano. If you're in the in the West,
to create a new art for the most popular Blue.
Speaker 3: Commander, that they went to the man and made it
a girl.
Speaker 1: Yo Tara is the best main character in Final Fantasy.
Bro Like. People might argue with me.
Speaker 3: About that, but I'll that's a hill you'll die on.
Speaker 1: That's a hill I will okay, we love dying on.
Speaker 3: Hill's a command of cookout.
Speaker 1: And this is cool card. We've already talked about it
about why Ariza is the thing, but think about this,
how many universes beyond begin how many in the top ten.
Speaker 3: Uh two?
Speaker 1: Was it? Two?
Speaker 3: This is so? Does does that count?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: Okay? We got Leonardo da Vinci And then we got
one more, right, Leo and my boy Leo, Yeah, Leo.
And then if you count the frickin' min Wiley illusionist
from Dungeons and Dragons, which we don't, and then a
reskin and how many repeats did we have? Yes?
Speaker 1: In Blue, yes, there was like four reprints a re
recurring and if you incurred the eleven, which is why
I did it, Like Blue hasn't, I would say that
Blue has changed the least. But it had a tertiary
strategy that had two commanders printed into it brew back
in the mind Skinner. They got support that people enjoyed,
and so they went straight into the top ten. And
you can really see the evolution.
Speaker 3: Of also tertiary strategies. Or you could just do aggro.
You could just do aggro with with the Mind Skinner
and or var. Yeah, like that's not even tertiary. That's
like one of the pillars of match.
Speaker 1: The gathering, and Blue can finally do it. That's fricking awesome, right,
So when you look at the I think that overall,
I would for me. Of the two that we've looked at,
we've looked at two colors. I think that Blue has
grown the least and the most. Ooh, that's not the most.
It's by far them. I'll bet you we don't see
another color that has this many rebreaks, repeats. I haven't
seen the other three yet, but i'll bet you we
don't see as many as many meats going ahead.
Speaker 3: That is one of the things that I was actually
just gonna say for my sort of final thought is
it doesn't feel like it's stagnated because I know that
there's other things for me to do in Blue than
just try to play the controls deck like it's nineteen
ninety six. Again. Yeah, I'm not going to do that.
And even if I am playing the control strategy while
sitting at the table, maybe I'll be attacking you with
a ten one. Maybe I'll be trying to mill combo you,
and it's actually a combo deck that I'm just trying
to stay alive with. Maybe I'm playing a clone deck
and I'm working with mirrors and merfolk and all the
bullshit that Morvar does. Sure I and also I've got
a soft spot in my heart for blue, because I
think it's the most rewarding color when you when you
get past all of the bullshit and the baggage and
the stigma. I really do think that it's the funnest
and most rewarding because it allows you to express outside
of just the most powerful set of cards that have
ever been printed see Force of Will and mocks Fricking
Sapphire on Erza and Temporal Aperture and friends that were
all banned at a standard also printed on Yeah, exactly
that we're all banned at a standard, that all go
in the Erza deck as if it's nineteen ninety eight
again and it's combo freaking Academy Summer jerk off whatever
it was. Right, when you get past all that but
nobodybody else has, and you can still win by not
doing that thing, it's very rewarding. And for that reason
I'm okay with seeing a lot of reprints in the
top ten because some of those cards, and some of
those reprints and modern card design gives you the opportunity
to not do that thing, even though people are expecting
that you do or that you are.
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Speaker 1: Do you think think that Black will have the same
trend line where it's gonna be lots of repeats, only
one universe is beyond card? Do you think because so
far one universe is beyond card in the top ten
of the now So anybody who says all universes beyond
is taken over?
Speaker 3: So far it hasn't.
Speaker 1: It kind of hasn't even really because.
Speaker 3: Black Black sniffed my crack. That's what I think.
Speaker 1: Anti Venom was at like four or five. Yeah, Leonardo
da Vinci was at fucking ten. I think. Do you
think Black is gonna be in a different next week?
Speaker 3: May I hope we see some zombies, That's what I hope.
I hope we see uh man, We're gonna maybe see
some demons. Maybe see some demons, So universe is beyond demons, Yes,
lots of them. Are they better than Razakath and Frickin'
yog Moth? No, I don't think so they're not.
Speaker 1: Will we see any of them next week in the episode?
Speaker 3: I hope so.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you because I've gotten all the information
sent to my personal emails that Ryan can't possibly look
at spoil it. I'm gonna tell you. I'm just saying
that I'll see it and you won't, so that when
we come back to talk about Black, you won't be
You will not have any prior information good and I
will only have the most tertiary information. What's gonna happen
in Mono Black? On the next exciting episode of Oh
Maner look Out podcast, it ar
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