WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:01.600 Today, I want to tell you about a journey that 2 00:00:01.600 --> 00:00:03.879 I've been on for most of my life. Ever since 3 00:00:03.919 --> 00:00:05.799 I was a kid, I've heard tales of bigfoot and 4 00:00:05.839 --> 00:00:08.320 wild men while spending time with my friends and family. 5 00:00:09.039 --> 00:00:11.439 As I grew older and read more about the paranormal, 6 00:00:11.599 --> 00:00:14.679 my interest in encryptids and other things strange only deepened. 7 00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:17.160 That's why I'm so excited to share with you what 8 00:00:17.199 --> 00:00:21.640 I've personally become involved with the Untold Radio Network. The 9 00:00:21.719 --> 00:00:25.280 Untold Radio Network is a live streaming podcast network that 10 00:00:25.359 --> 00:00:29.359 airs a new show every day across all podcast platforms, YouTube, 11 00:00:29.359 --> 00:00:32.119 and more. 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It's free to subscribe. 21 00:01:00.679 --> 00:01:04.400 So what are you waiting for visit www dot untold 22 00:01:04.519 --> 00:01:06.560 radionetwork dot com today. 23 00:01:06.760 --> 00:01:09.680 Now, what are your reporting? I got a screen going 24 00:01:09.719 --> 00:01:12.120 on here. Something just kid with my dog, something to 25 00:01:12.200 --> 00:01:15.280 kill your dog? My dog. We're flying through there, over 26 00:01:15.319 --> 00:01:20.079 the tree. I don't know how it did it? Okay, Damn, 27 00:01:20.159 --> 00:01:22.640 I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming 28 00:01:22.680 --> 00:01:24.480 over the fence and they would dead once you hit 29 00:01:24.519 --> 00:01:26.560 the grill. I didn't see any cars. All I saw 30 00:01:26.680 --> 00:01:45.120 was my dog coming over the fence. Sat, what are 31 00:01:45.120 --> 00:01:49.959 you reporting? We got some wonder or something crawling around 32 00:01:50.040 --> 00:01:58.640 out here? Did you see what it was? It was 33 00:01:59.359 --> 00:02:01.439 enough out here when I'm new to window now and 34 00:02:01.480 --> 00:02:08.800 I don't need anything. I don't want to go out today. Hello, 35 00:02:10.439 --> 00:02:12.680 hit the buddy out here? What quin I'm out there? 36 00:02:12.759 --> 00:02:15.639 It's thought of a bitch about text nine. I don't know. 37 00:02:15.919 --> 00:02:18.039 Eat the an out there? Yeah, I'm walking right. 38 00:02:18.000 --> 00:02:22.080 Heady and we are live, Daniel. What's going on? 39 00:02:22.159 --> 00:02:22.319 Man? 40 00:02:22.719 --> 00:02:23.680 I'm very well mate, you. 41 00:02:24.400 --> 00:02:26.120 I am hanging in like a hair in a biscuit, 42 00:02:26.159 --> 00:02:29.240 excited about today's show. I'm glad to be live with 43 00:02:29.280 --> 00:02:32.120 you on a random Thursday morning at a little after 44 00:02:32.159 --> 00:02:34.759 eleven o'clock Eastern time, so I don't know how many 45 00:02:34.800 --> 00:02:36.800 people will have piling in a lot of people will 46 00:02:36.840 --> 00:02:39.240 be at work, and we'll watch this afterwards and obviously 47 00:02:39.280 --> 00:02:42.280 hear it on the audio versions of the Sasquatch Odyssey 48 00:02:42.319 --> 00:02:45.599 podcast as well as the Mythical Legends podcast, because we 49 00:02:45.639 --> 00:02:48.400 are broadcasting in all kinds of places. What's been going 50 00:02:48.479 --> 00:02:49.800 on with you, man? What's you up to today? 51 00:02:50.240 --> 00:02:55.000 I'm up doing all sorts of conference things, podcasts, planning 52 00:02:55.159 --> 00:02:56.759 for the next few days. 53 00:02:56.879 --> 00:02:57.919 Yeah, what about you? 54 00:02:58.680 --> 00:02:59.120 Same thing? 55 00:02:59.159 --> 00:02:59.360 Man? 56 00:02:59.599 --> 00:03:03.439 Always doing stuff, getting content ready for dropping tomorrow. We've 57 00:03:03.479 --> 00:03:06.280 got three shows dropping tomorrow as always on Friday, but 58 00:03:06.759 --> 00:03:10.919 we're here for other things today. We're actually here. There's 59 00:03:11.000 --> 00:03:13.560 our other host that just popped in, Chris. What's going on? Man? 60 00:03:14.039 --> 00:03:15.280 Struggling with technology? 61 00:03:15.319 --> 00:03:19.159 Bun struggling But with that, no, we all struggle together, 62 00:03:19.280 --> 00:03:21.360 my friend. We are glad to have you here from 63 00:03:21.400 --> 00:03:24.240 the UK. We have an amazing guest on the show. 64 00:03:24.280 --> 00:03:25.840 I'm gonna go ahead and bring him on so we 65 00:03:25.879 --> 00:03:27.719 can get started. This is why everybody's here. Then, not 66 00:03:27.800 --> 00:03:30.199 here to hear us pontificate about Bigfoot. They're here to 67 00:03:30.240 --> 00:03:34.439 hear Tob Johnson. Welcome to the show man. We got 68 00:03:34.439 --> 00:03:36.599 you unmuted. Now now you can talk to the people. 69 00:03:37.159 --> 00:03:37.960 Can you hear me now? 70 00:03:38.199 --> 00:03:39.840 Can you hear me now? Yes, we got your man. 71 00:03:39.919 --> 00:03:44.039 Welcome to the show. Thanks, good morning, it's good to 72 00:03:44.120 --> 00:03:46.800 have you here. Thanks for the patience with the late start. 73 00:03:46.840 --> 00:03:48.840 But we're gonna get right into it. We're gonna talk 74 00:03:48.879 --> 00:03:51.599 about all things Bigfoot. We're gonna go down some roads today. 75 00:03:51.599 --> 00:03:53.639 There's no telling what kind of rabbit holes will end 76 00:03:53.719 --> 00:03:56.479 up going into today. But I'm gonna throw it to 77 00:03:56.560 --> 00:03:58.520 Daniel and give him the opportunity to ask you the 78 00:03:58.560 --> 00:04:00.159 first question, and let's get into this man. 79 00:04:00.759 --> 00:04:04.120 Going all the way back to the beginning. Then, could 80 00:04:04.120 --> 00:04:07.719 you tell us about what was the inspiration to the 81 00:04:07.919 --> 00:04:10.080 Krypton's wology and pit your world for you? 82 00:04:10.759 --> 00:04:13.599 Daniel. It started probably with the show Close Encounters of 83 00:04:13.639 --> 00:04:16.439 the Third Kind, which tells the story of a witness 84 00:04:16.480 --> 00:04:20.480 obsessed by an experience, a hidden event that he had happened. 85 00:04:20.959 --> 00:04:25.399 That impression was left to me probably around the age 86 00:04:25.399 --> 00:04:28.399 of five or six years old. However, it stuck with 87 00:04:28.519 --> 00:04:32.040 me as a documentary more so than a Spielberg sci 88 00:04:32.079 --> 00:04:35.360 fi thriller that was really sitting in the back of 89 00:04:35.360 --> 00:04:39.240 my mind, when around two thousand and five time frame, 90 00:04:39.360 --> 00:04:42.720 I found some footprints with my son. I was having 91 00:04:42.720 --> 00:04:46.199 a similar experience as the Richard Dreyfus character as far 92 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:48.519 as what if this could go down a rabbit hole 93 00:04:48.560 --> 00:04:52.000 worth having with father and son. It turns out that 94 00:04:52.160 --> 00:04:54.839 father took to a lot more than son. So here 95 00:04:54.839 --> 00:04:57.319 we are twenty twenty four, still looking down all these 96 00:04:57.399 --> 00:04:58.879 rabbit holes a bigfoot. 97 00:04:59.160 --> 00:05:01.000 That is a excellent story. 98 00:05:01.040 --> 00:05:03.959 I know that my dad loves Spielberg, He's into jewels 99 00:05:04.040 --> 00:05:04.639 and all that. 100 00:05:05.240 --> 00:05:08.199 You found these tracks, you were interested in the subject. 101 00:05:08.399 --> 00:05:11.800 When did you really start digging into the bigfoot phenomenon, 102 00:05:11.839 --> 00:05:14.000 getting out into the woods, taking a look at this 103 00:05:14.639 --> 00:05:17.160 and really diving into that rabbit hole that we've all 104 00:05:17.199 --> 00:05:20.000 went down of Bigfoot and that phenomenon. 105 00:05:20.319 --> 00:05:24.360 It turns out that a neighbor of mine was a witness. 106 00:05:24.680 --> 00:05:27.120 He was saying incredible stuff. He was saying stuff that 107 00:05:27.199 --> 00:05:30.759 he was experiencing the phenomenon multiple times, and to me 108 00:05:30.920 --> 00:05:34.439 that seemed like an error or a fallacy, or just 109 00:05:34.519 --> 00:05:38.959 somewhat extreme. However, I kept hearing that from witnesses as 110 00:05:38.959 --> 00:05:41.600 I started to interview them. I would do monthly meetings 111 00:05:41.639 --> 00:05:44.279 alcohol anonymous meetings up in the woods in an old 112 00:05:44.319 --> 00:05:47.319 pizza parlor once a month on a Wednesday night, and 113 00:05:47.360 --> 00:05:50.639 we packed the house full of blue collar workers, cops, 114 00:05:50.680 --> 00:05:55.279 forestry workers. We'd all tip back an ipa, have some pizza, 115 00:05:55.480 --> 00:06:00.560 and tell outrageous Bigfoot stories that turned into conferences, and 116 00:06:00.600 --> 00:06:03.920 by the time twenty ten rolled around, I really just 117 00:06:04.240 --> 00:06:06.920 had to make a choice as to how I wanted 118 00:06:06.920 --> 00:06:09.839 to spend my time bigfooting. Did I want to merely 119 00:06:09.879 --> 00:06:11.759 go with the flesh and blood answer, or did I 120 00:06:11.759 --> 00:06:14.439 want to lean into this idea. By the way, what 121 00:06:14.560 --> 00:06:17.480 the First Nations people say is that these are a 122 00:06:17.519 --> 00:06:20.959 type of people and you can experience them on multiple 123 00:06:20.959 --> 00:06:24.199 occasions if you do it the right way, and there 124 00:06:24.199 --> 00:06:26.079 seems to be a right way and a wrong way. 125 00:06:26.199 --> 00:06:27.879 My opinion definitely. 126 00:06:27.519 --> 00:06:29.959 Want to get into some of that stuff as far 127 00:06:30.040 --> 00:06:34.360 as those experiences, because I've seen that so much in 128 00:06:34.839 --> 00:06:38.399 my Bigfoot research, is the different experiences people have depending 129 00:06:38.439 --> 00:06:41.040 on how you look at this phenomenon. So I definitely 130 00:06:41.079 --> 00:06:42.800 want to get into some of that before we get 131 00:06:42.839 --> 00:06:44.759 into any more of that stuff. Chris, did you have 132 00:06:44.800 --> 00:06:46.839 a question that you want to throw in before we 133 00:06:46.920 --> 00:06:48.120 go down another path here? 134 00:06:48.680 --> 00:06:51.720 Yeah, I'm really interested in the footprints you found with 135 00:06:51.879 --> 00:06:54.000 your son, How many, how big were they? 136 00:06:54.759 --> 00:06:58.000 The footprint was a solo footprint and the icy mud 137 00:06:58.120 --> 00:07:00.199 on a hiking trail, but it was headed into the 138 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:03.360 BlackBerry brush, and it was an either or it's either 139 00:07:03.639 --> 00:07:07.319 a hope situation or a big man, something to that effect. 140 00:07:07.879 --> 00:07:09.800 But we had the mind to put a scale object 141 00:07:09.800 --> 00:07:13.160 in this case a little hiking whistle survivalist whistle, and 142 00:07:13.240 --> 00:07:15.879 took a photo. When we shopped that photo around, I 143 00:07:15.920 --> 00:07:20.639 got a conversation going with a local friend of mine, 144 00:07:20.920 --> 00:07:23.879 and he introduced me to the world of bigfoot and 145 00:07:23.920 --> 00:07:26.720 how to talk to these men and women. I guess 146 00:07:26.800 --> 00:07:30.040 I really took to the interview process. I started walking 147 00:07:30.040 --> 00:07:33.639 around wherever I could with a recorder, inviting people out 148 00:07:33.639 --> 00:07:37.439 to community colleges. It was just a matter of time 149 00:07:37.600 --> 00:07:40.319 before I would get out in the woods and experience 150 00:07:40.360 --> 00:07:44.040 this myself, which took no time at all. I lived 151 00:07:44.079 --> 00:07:46.759 in a little town of Springfield, Oregon, a lumber town, 152 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:50.000 so for me to drive into what people would call 153 00:07:50.120 --> 00:07:54.079 pristine Sasquatch habitat was literally like a twenty minute drive. 154 00:07:54.120 --> 00:07:56.800 In my trout fishing days on the Mackenzie River, it 155 00:07:56.839 --> 00:07:59.600 was Sasquatch's backyard or front yard. 156 00:08:00.079 --> 00:08:03.319 Let's stay in the vein of footprint evidence, because that's 157 00:08:03.360 --> 00:08:05.879 something that has happened to me recently. I cast some 158 00:08:05.920 --> 00:08:10.079 prints here on our land last October and they turned 159 00:08:10.079 --> 00:08:11.800 out really well. I sent him over to Cliff and 160 00:08:11.879 --> 00:08:13.759 looking at him, I know he sent some skins a 161 00:08:13.759 --> 00:08:15.279 couple of days ago, and he sent him over to 162 00:08:15.319 --> 00:08:17.240 Meldrum and he's waiting to hear back. Let's talk a 163 00:08:17.279 --> 00:08:20.040 little bit about some of the other footprints that are 164 00:08:20.040 --> 00:08:22.560 out there. I know you were involved back in twenty 165 00:08:22.600 --> 00:08:25.920 twelve in the London Trackway. I've talked to Cliff at 166 00:08:26.040 --> 00:08:29.160 length about that, but for folks that aren't familiar with 167 00:08:29.199 --> 00:08:31.079 those tracks, can you talk a little bit about the 168 00:08:31.079 --> 00:08:33.720 London Trackway, how you got involved in that, and what 169 00:08:33.919 --> 00:08:35.600 ended up being the case with those. 170 00:08:35.600 --> 00:08:37.480 It's funny you mentioned that Cliff and I had a 171 00:08:37.519 --> 00:08:41.200 conference in an Oakridge, Oregon a couple months back. These 172 00:08:41.919 --> 00:08:45.679 supposedly dubious track finds of one hundred and twenty footprints 173 00:08:45.720 --> 00:08:49.559 in the February mud of cottage growth lake bed were 174 00:08:49.759 --> 00:08:53.039 an a roundabout way found by my son through a 175 00:08:53.080 --> 00:08:57.679 neighbor named Max Roy Long story short is a guy 176 00:08:57.799 --> 00:08:59.879 was on a walk on a trailbed and saw some 177 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:03.639 interesting footprints, saw a bumper sticker on my son's car, 178 00:09:04.120 --> 00:09:06.080 knocked on the door and said, Hey, there might be 179 00:09:06.120 --> 00:09:09.720 something interesting down the road. You should go take a look. 180 00:09:09.879 --> 00:09:12.240 Then I got the call. I was working hospice care 181 00:09:12.279 --> 00:09:15.519 at the time in Eugene, Oregon, and by eleven o'clock 182 00:09:15.559 --> 00:09:19.080 at night, we were learning how to cast prints. Initially, 183 00:09:19.120 --> 00:09:23.080 these were three prints off of the unestablished trout fishing 184 00:09:23.159 --> 00:09:26.480 spot above a lake bend. We ended up finding a 185 00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:29.879 fourth print coming in from the Poison Oak trail between 186 00:09:29.919 --> 00:09:32.440 a Warehouser Road and what is known as London Road. 187 00:09:32.759 --> 00:09:35.200 Hence the name of this trackway was the London Trackway. 188 00:09:35.799 --> 00:09:39.519 So for a period of months, including footprints, we had 189 00:09:39.519 --> 00:09:42.519 a guy come down from Hood River and do one 190 00:09:42.559 --> 00:09:46.440 of the first drone studies of the trackway. As far 191 00:09:46.480 --> 00:09:50.240 as weight displacement measurement, there's all sorts of what I 192 00:09:50.279 --> 00:09:54.240 would call field research science going on as far as 193 00:09:54.279 --> 00:09:57.919 what these tracks could be. One thing that was interesting 194 00:09:58.080 --> 00:10:01.159 is that the track seemed to be legit just due 195 00:10:01.159 --> 00:10:04.679 to the fact that they were so big, so expect 196 00:10:05.000 --> 00:10:08.639 and there was ten season researchers, including Cliff down there. 197 00:10:08.679 --> 00:10:12.200 We all walked away with different evidence of what was 198 00:10:12.240 --> 00:10:14.679 going on with these footprints, some fourteen and a half 199 00:10:14.759 --> 00:10:18.679 inches in length and some forty five inches apart for 200 00:10:18.720 --> 00:10:22.799 over one hundred yards. There's interesting attributes about these footprints 201 00:10:22.799 --> 00:10:25.879 that I think point to an elaborate hoax, not just 202 00:10:25.919 --> 00:10:29.759 a simple rigid stomper at all. Now, with the use 203 00:10:30.120 --> 00:10:34.440 of having light bar on our phone, the evidence that 204 00:10:34.480 --> 00:10:37.799 we didn't walk away with, unfortunately in that lake bed, 205 00:10:38.200 --> 00:10:42.480 could have been repeated again. Since that time, new tracks 206 00:10:42.519 --> 00:10:46.360 have been found in and around the London area as 207 00:10:46.399 --> 00:10:50.879 well by a team out of Eastern Oregon. They were 208 00:10:51.000 --> 00:10:54.080 very similar to the tracks that we found in twenty twelve. 209 00:10:54.200 --> 00:10:56.519 Now this would have been last year, I believe sometime, 210 00:10:57.360 --> 00:11:00.159 so it makes me wonder what's really going on with 211 00:11:00.200 --> 00:11:03.399 that trackway. The point is that it led me to 212 00:11:03.799 --> 00:11:07.080 Cottage Grove. This was already a hot spot. We all 213 00:11:07.159 --> 00:11:10.240 knew the area was ripe with bigfoot encounters. That's why 214 00:11:10.600 --> 00:11:12.919 some of us still think they're real. And no one's 215 00:11:12.919 --> 00:11:16.240 ever come forward with proof that these are fake except 216 00:11:16.240 --> 00:11:18.840 an opinion about it. There is no stopper, There is 217 00:11:18.919 --> 00:11:23.759 no person that has the smoking gun moving topics. 218 00:11:23.799 --> 00:11:27.240 Then, Tony, you met a couple of days ago. I 219 00:11:27.240 --> 00:11:31.559 first knew you from the brilliant show you're on called 220 00:11:31.679 --> 00:11:36.279 Expedition Bigfoot. Could you tell us what your experience was 221 00:11:36.360 --> 00:11:40.320 like on Expetition before? What was it like working with 222 00:11:40.399 --> 00:11:42.159 the Expoedition Bigfoot team? 223 00:11:42.480 --> 00:11:44.279 First of all, when you say it's a brilliant show, 224 00:11:44.320 --> 00:11:46.759 it sounds even more brilliant than when I say it. 225 00:11:46.919 --> 00:11:49.840 That's all do your charming accent. So I got a 226 00:11:49.840 --> 00:11:53.519 phone call from the production team that knows a couple 227 00:11:53.559 --> 00:11:56.679 of different shows on Discovery Network and had a conversation 228 00:11:56.840 --> 00:12:00.159 with the owners of those companies about the possibility of 229 00:12:00.240 --> 00:12:02.200 just interviewing to see if I wanted to do it. 230 00:12:02.840 --> 00:12:05.360 I said, of course, yeah, it's a great opportunity to 231 00:12:05.360 --> 00:12:07.919 talk about the subject matter. How do you want to 232 00:12:08.039 --> 00:12:10.559 use me? Because I have a weird take on what's 233 00:12:10.600 --> 00:12:12.639 going on? Not so weird anymore. It used to be 234 00:12:12.720 --> 00:12:15.759 weird now it's getting more mainstream. But I think that 235 00:12:15.879 --> 00:12:19.440 Sasquatch is some kind of land spirit more so than 236 00:12:19.559 --> 00:12:22.399 just a flesh and blood phenomena. But I'm leaning again 237 00:12:22.559 --> 00:12:24.960 on what the First Nation's people told me all those 238 00:12:25.039 --> 00:12:28.559 years ago. However, since I lean so hard on the 239 00:12:28.600 --> 00:12:30.960 fact that we don't seem to have permission to use 240 00:12:31.000 --> 00:12:35.000 cameras with Sasquatch, I've been using audio recordings mainly. I 241 00:12:35.080 --> 00:12:39.240 use my task amdro five, the ninety nine dollars version 242 00:12:39.240 --> 00:12:41.919 here that you can get on Amazon. I walked away 243 00:12:42.080 --> 00:12:44.720 with evidence that you seem to be able to get 244 00:12:44.879 --> 00:12:48.120 closer to the Sasquatch phenomena. If A you don't try 245 00:12:48.120 --> 00:12:50.759 to trick them, b you tell them what you're going 246 00:12:50.799 --> 00:12:55.600 to do and then only focus in on interaction through audio, 247 00:12:55.960 --> 00:12:58.840 they seem to come closer. They seem to leave more 248 00:12:58.879 --> 00:13:03.120 than trace evidence. They forensic evidence, including hairs. Can't really 249 00:13:03.159 --> 00:13:06.200 make this up and hear this hair has been sent 250 00:13:06.320 --> 00:13:09.279 off to a guy named Cindy Doson and Canada who 251 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:12.200 did a forensic hair analysis on some of the hairs 252 00:13:12.200 --> 00:13:14.000 that we've found at this place we call the Owl 253 00:13:14.039 --> 00:13:17.679 Moon Lab, regarding some knee impressions that we found in 254 00:13:17.720 --> 00:13:20.960 the area as well, which are inexplicable. They wanted to 255 00:13:21.039 --> 00:13:24.799 focus mainly on why I thought audio was the key. 256 00:13:25.120 --> 00:13:28.519 We came up with the name Bioacoustic Researcher or something 257 00:13:28.519 --> 00:13:31.399 to that effect. I'm leaning mainly on the research of 258 00:13:31.399 --> 00:13:35.960 Scott Nelson. A voice up here in Dave Ellison wouldbe 259 00:13:36.039 --> 00:13:39.600 Island a friend of mine Norse by using audacity as 260 00:13:39.759 --> 00:13:42.759 my way of sound analysis looking at the spectrogram as 261 00:13:42.759 --> 00:13:45.200 far as where these sounds land in the Hurtz level. 262 00:13:45.480 --> 00:13:47.720 So that's what we decided to do, is we would 263 00:13:47.720 --> 00:13:51.720 make use of my opinion on how to look at 264 00:13:51.720 --> 00:13:52.519 the sounds. 265 00:13:53.240 --> 00:13:55.399 Let's talk a little bit about that. You mentioned the 266 00:13:55.440 --> 00:13:58.080 Owl Moon Lab. You wrote a book about this. We'll 267 00:13:58.080 --> 00:13:59.879 certainly talk about the book later on. I want to 268 00:14:00.360 --> 00:14:03.840 that I am also a fellow author on hunder one Publishing, 269 00:14:04.320 --> 00:14:06.840 so we definitely want to talk about the Owl Moon Lab. 270 00:14:07.000 --> 00:14:09.039 Let's talk a little bit about that story. How did 271 00:14:09.080 --> 00:14:11.519 you get involved in that property? Can you give everybody 272 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:13.639 the overview of what was going on there and how 273 00:14:13.639 --> 00:14:16.639 you got involved and then what you ultimately encovered doing 274 00:14:16.639 --> 00:14:17.720 your investigation there. 275 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:22.879 Absolutely after the London Tracks, it was an established anniversary 276 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:27.679 date of the February twenty twelve, so every February we'd 277 00:14:27.720 --> 00:14:29.679 go down to the lake bed and Trump's around and 278 00:14:29.720 --> 00:14:32.080 look for New Prince perhaps because that's when the lake 279 00:14:32.200 --> 00:14:36.120 was at its driest. It turns into a giant Muddy 280 00:14:36.159 --> 00:14:39.360 Creek and then fills into a man made reservoir. Someone 281 00:14:39.399 --> 00:14:42.120 moved to town, a guy by the name of Darryl Adams. 282 00:14:42.879 --> 00:14:46.440 He was at a private gathering called Beachfoot, an annual 283 00:14:46.480 --> 00:14:51.000 event put together by Todd nice. Ron Moorhead was a 284 00:14:51.039 --> 00:14:54.480 regular attendee at that time, so Darryl and Ron had 285 00:14:54.480 --> 00:14:56.960 to talk about where he'd moved. He said, Oh, you 286 00:14:56.960 --> 00:14:58.879 moved to Cottage Grove. I know a guy that lives 287 00:14:58.960 --> 00:15:01.039 up that way. Maybe if you want to look into 288 00:15:01.120 --> 00:15:04.559 sasquatch now that you're retired, give him a call. So 289 00:15:04.600 --> 00:15:07.759 I got an email or Facebook message. Dar and I 290 00:15:07.799 --> 00:15:11.519 had a conversation about the London tracks. So we agreed 291 00:15:11.519 --> 00:15:13.600 to meet up there in February. If he had a 292 00:15:13.639 --> 00:15:15.600 great sense of humor, that's key to me. I don't 293 00:15:15.600 --> 00:15:18.200 want to do this unless you're cool or less. Work 294 00:15:18.320 --> 00:15:20.799 like having jives where I could have a beer with 295 00:15:20.879 --> 00:15:24.000 you deal, because really that's all you do when you 296 00:15:24.039 --> 00:15:26.000 go bigfoot, and as you look for someone that you 297 00:15:26.000 --> 00:15:28.399 can hang with, because you're going to hang way more 298 00:15:28.440 --> 00:15:31.279 than you're going to have the chills and thrills of bigfoot. 299 00:15:31.480 --> 00:15:34.039 And it turned out that he lived near one of 300 00:15:34.080 --> 00:15:37.600 the hotspot zones not too far away. And I told 301 00:15:37.679 --> 00:15:39.720 him that, and I said, hey, you may want to 302 00:15:39.720 --> 00:15:41.320 get a better truck. I think you need to get 303 00:15:41.360 --> 00:15:43.960 up in those hills. I'd love to come with you. 304 00:15:44.080 --> 00:15:47.080 There's all sorts of stories from behind your house. So 305 00:15:47.200 --> 00:15:50.080 that's when things really took off. And we found these 306 00:15:50.639 --> 00:15:53.320 knee impressions off the side of the road while we 307 00:15:53.360 --> 00:15:58.000 were l hunting. These knee impressions turned into quite a thing, right, 308 00:15:58.039 --> 00:16:01.600 because they were either a single knee impression that is 309 00:16:01.679 --> 00:16:05.080 dividen too the mud once, or they are pair We 310 00:16:05.159 --> 00:16:07.879 don't know which because the anatomy is not really there 311 00:16:08.200 --> 00:16:11.240 on the left hand print, but it's plus or minus 312 00:16:11.279 --> 00:16:15.759 fourteen hundred pounds with inexplicable hair not in the data set, 313 00:16:15.919 --> 00:16:20.600 so nothing matched microscopically the hair as it relates to 314 00:16:20.639 --> 00:16:23.919 that we actually cast the entire print. It was about 315 00:16:24.000 --> 00:16:26.840 fifty pounds bag of plaster that we had to make 316 00:16:26.879 --> 00:16:30.440 a spontaneous rigid board bushboard and bring back to the 317 00:16:30.440 --> 00:16:33.440 house and let drive for a couple of weeks, not 318 00:16:33.480 --> 00:16:36.440 to a month at Daryl's new house. Now, when we 319 00:16:36.559 --> 00:16:42.279 left those impressions in the house, it seemed to bring 320 00:16:42.399 --> 00:16:46.360 things out of the woods, other things that would seem 321 00:16:46.440 --> 00:16:50.679 to come to Daryl's house, including these weird sounds. And 322 00:16:50.720 --> 00:16:53.480 these sounds started off as and here we're going to 323 00:16:53.519 --> 00:16:56.039 get started with the whole sound phenomenon, right. I was 324 00:16:56.080 --> 00:16:58.600 working as a truck driver now at this time, so 325 00:16:58.679 --> 00:17:02.000 I would go away short haul from Oregon to Washington 326 00:17:02.039 --> 00:17:04.400 and get these texts at o dark thirty from Darryl 327 00:17:04.480 --> 00:17:07.799 saying something hit the house. Weird sounds at the house 328 00:17:08.240 --> 00:17:11.359 near the knee impressions, YadA, YadA, YadA. That's when we 329 00:17:11.400 --> 00:17:14.759 started setting the recorders out, so he'd put a parabolic 330 00:17:14.880 --> 00:17:17.759 and I would put my task in. He said, why 331 00:17:17.880 --> 00:17:20.200 you move in and study this thing full time with me. 332 00:17:20.519 --> 00:17:22.759 I said, okay, So I brought my camper in and 333 00:17:22.839 --> 00:17:25.559 I moved in with Darryl. And what we notice is 334 00:17:25.599 --> 00:17:29.519 that these sounds were way more mysterious than possible house 335 00:17:29.559 --> 00:17:33.640 slapping or rock throwing, because there was a predicated sound 336 00:17:33.640 --> 00:17:36.640 of something hitting, but there was no secondary sound of 337 00:17:36.680 --> 00:17:39.079 a rock falling down on the ground. There was just 338 00:17:39.240 --> 00:17:43.279 these weird thuds all around his house. And I thought, Wow, 339 00:17:43.400 --> 00:17:46.640 that's an incredible thing to try to document visually. Let's 340 00:17:46.680 --> 00:17:48.359 stay up all night and see if we can do that. 341 00:17:49.119 --> 00:17:52.359 It's definitely an interesting story. I'm going to go over 342 00:17:52.400 --> 00:17:54.920 to Chris and let Chris get a question in here. 343 00:17:55.599 --> 00:17:58.559 Tell me about this sound recorders. If you found the infrasound, 344 00:17:58.720 --> 00:18:00.680 have you found evidence about in. 345 00:18:00.599 --> 00:18:02.839 And around cottage growth is one of the only places 346 00:18:03.039 --> 00:18:08.000 where we most likely experienced what people call infrasound. I 347 00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:10.319 don't think it's infrasound at all. I think it's some 348 00:18:10.440 --> 00:18:15.839 kind of psychic force entering the forest because at pinpoints 349 00:18:15.839 --> 00:18:18.920 to individuals. It's a little bit lengthy of a story. 350 00:18:18.960 --> 00:18:22.519 But yeah, we're pushed off as a group after twenty twelve. 351 00:18:22.680 --> 00:18:24.680 I get the dates mixed up a little bit, but 352 00:18:24.759 --> 00:18:28.880 there were about five of us in and around Darryl's neighborhood, 353 00:18:29.000 --> 00:18:31.640 let's say, where we're actually pushed out of the woods. 354 00:18:31.640 --> 00:18:34.079 In one case, one of the guy worked for the 355 00:18:34.119 --> 00:18:37.599 local fire department, and this guy was so scared that 356 00:18:37.960 --> 00:18:40.400 he ran down the hill saying why am I going 357 00:18:40.480 --> 00:18:42.839 to cry? Why am I going to cry? That did 358 00:18:42.880 --> 00:18:46.640 not fit the profile for his job at all. Although 359 00:18:46.680 --> 00:18:48.519 I didn't know the guy, I thought maybe he was 360 00:18:48.559 --> 00:18:51.799 a box of crazy. Who the hell knows. One by one, 361 00:18:51.920 --> 00:18:54.119 these grown men are running out of the woods saying 362 00:18:54.160 --> 00:18:56.319 crazy stuff like I shouldn't have brought my gun, I 363 00:18:56.319 --> 00:18:59.519 got to throw my gun away. It's something beyond infrasound. 364 00:18:59.519 --> 00:19:03.920 They're getting messages delivered to them as individuals, and it's 365 00:19:04.000 --> 00:19:07.160 focused and targeted, like one of those riot l rad 366 00:19:07.200 --> 00:19:11.240 machines that the cops used to disperse individuals, same principle. 367 00:19:11.799 --> 00:19:15.240 It's interesting because I interviewed about in Minnesota a couple 368 00:19:15.279 --> 00:19:18.440 of months ago. Abe felt like he had been in 369 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:20.279 a situation where he was in a group and he 370 00:19:20.359 --> 00:19:22.920 was the largest person in this group. He felt like 371 00:19:22.960 --> 00:19:27.160 he was targeted with infrasound because he became nauseous, he 372 00:19:27.200 --> 00:19:29.759 was having trouble going any further into the area, but 373 00:19:29.799 --> 00:19:32.319 he was the only person filling these effects. Then once 374 00:19:32.319 --> 00:19:36.160 he backed out, the infrasound or whatever was going on 375 00:19:36.319 --> 00:19:39.720 seemed to dissipate and stop again. Nobody else was targeted 376 00:19:39.799 --> 00:19:44.200 in that scenario. Have you heard of anything similar to that? Obviously, 377 00:19:44.240 --> 00:19:47.200 these guys are getting messages, as you said, that were targeted, 378 00:19:47.200 --> 00:19:50.279 But have you heard of other scenarios where people were 379 00:19:50.279 --> 00:19:52.519 having negative experiences and they felt like they were being 380 00:19:52.559 --> 00:19:56.799 targeted with infrasound and stay tuned for more sasquatch out 381 00:19:56.839 --> 00:19:59.200 to see. We'll be right back after these messages. 382 00:20:03.119 --> 00:20:06.400 Yeah, of course you hear the stories. It's just confirmed. 383 00:20:06.480 --> 00:20:08.720 What we're talking about here is so crazy. It's so 384 00:20:08.799 --> 00:20:11.240 different than what a killer whale can do, an elephant 385 00:20:11.319 --> 00:20:13.240 can do, and no one reports in the bush that 386 00:20:13.319 --> 00:20:15.759 an elephant told them to throw their spear of their 387 00:20:15.799 --> 00:20:18.839 gun away. And yet this is the stuff that bigfooters 388 00:20:18.880 --> 00:20:23.400 say time and time again, specific language being spoken to 389 00:20:23.480 --> 00:20:28.079 them that other people can't hear, especially people with weapons 390 00:20:28.440 --> 00:20:32.519 or people that seem to be an imposing force with 391 00:20:32.880 --> 00:20:37.319 a mission at stake. Let's say that's been my experience 392 00:20:37.319 --> 00:20:40.000 in looking into this. The only people that weren't targeted 393 00:20:40.039 --> 00:20:43.160 in our case were the people that didn't have weapons 394 00:20:43.200 --> 00:20:45.279 and didn't really come there to try to prove anything. 395 00:20:46.039 --> 00:20:47.880 One last follow up before I kick it back over 396 00:20:47.880 --> 00:20:51.519 to Daniel for his next question, where is this area? 397 00:20:51.559 --> 00:20:53.759 Because this is something that's come up recently. When I 398 00:20:53.759 --> 00:20:57.240 first got into bigfoot, really back into the subject five 399 00:20:57.319 --> 00:21:01.279 six years ago and started really digging into and I 400 00:21:01.319 --> 00:21:03.759 was under the impression these things were primarily in the 401 00:21:03.799 --> 00:21:06.359