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Speaker 2: Now, what are your reporting? I got a screen going
Speaker 2: on here. Something just kid with my dog, something to
Speaker 2: kill your dog? My dog. We're flying through there, over
Speaker 2: the tree. I don't know how it did it? Okay, Damn,
Speaker 2: I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming
Speaker 2: over the fence and they would dead once you hit
Speaker 2: the grill. I didn't see any cars. All I saw
Speaker 2: was my dog coming over the fence. Sat, what are
Speaker 2: you reporting? We got some wonder or something crawling around
Speaker 2: out here? Did you see what it was? It was
Speaker 2: enough out here when I'm new to window now and
Speaker 2: I don't need anything. I don't want to go out today. Hello,
Speaker 2: hit the buddy out here? What quin I'm out there?
Speaker 2: It's thought of a bitch about text nine. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Eat the an out there? Yeah, I'm walking right.
Speaker 1: Heady and we are live, Daniel. What's going on?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 4: I'm very well mate, you.
Speaker 1: I am hanging in like a hair in a biscuit,
Speaker 1: excited about today's show. I'm glad to be live with
Speaker 1: you on a random Thursday morning at a little after
Speaker 1: eleven o'clock Eastern time, so I don't know how many
Speaker 1: people will have piling in a lot of people will
Speaker 1: be at work, and we'll watch this afterwards and obviously
Speaker 1: hear it on the audio versions of the Sasquatch Odyssey
Speaker 1: podcast as well as the Mythical Legends podcast, because we
Speaker 1: are broadcasting in all kinds of places. What's been going
Speaker 1: on with you, man? What's you up to today?
Speaker 5: I'm up doing all sorts of conference things, podcasts, planning
Speaker 5: for the next few days.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what about you?
Speaker 1: Same thing?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 1: Always doing stuff, getting content ready for dropping tomorrow. We've
Speaker 1: got three shows dropping tomorrow as always on Friday, but
Speaker 1: we're here for other things today. We're actually here. There's
Speaker 1: our other host that just popped in, Chris. What's going on? Man?
Speaker 3: Struggling with technology?
Speaker 1: Bun struggling But with that, no, we all struggle together,
Speaker 1: my friend. We are glad to have you here from
Speaker 1: the UK. We have an amazing guest on the show.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead and bring him on so we
Speaker 1: can get started. This is why everybody's here. Then, not
Speaker 1: here to hear us pontificate about Bigfoot. They're here to
Speaker 1: hear Tob Johnson. Welcome to the show man. We got
Speaker 1: you unmuted. Now now you can talk to the people.
Speaker 6: Can you hear me now?
Speaker 1: Can you hear me now? Yes, we got your man.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. Thanks, good morning, it's good to
Speaker 1: have you here. Thanks for the patience with the late start.
Speaker 1: But we're gonna get right into it. We're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about all things Bigfoot. We're gonna go down some roads today.
Speaker 1: There's no telling what kind of rabbit holes will end
Speaker 1: up going into today. But I'm gonna throw it to
Speaker 1: Daniel and give him the opportunity to ask you the
Speaker 1: first question, and let's get into this man.
Speaker 5: Going all the way back to the beginning. Then, could
Speaker 5: you tell us about what was the inspiration to the
Speaker 5: Krypton's wology and pit your world for you?
Speaker 6: Daniel. It started probably with the show Close Encounters of
Speaker 6: the Third Kind, which tells the story of a witness
Speaker 6: obsessed by an experience, a hidden event that he had happened.
Speaker 6: That impression was left to me probably around the age
Speaker 6: of five or six years old. However, it stuck with
Speaker 6: me as a documentary more so than a Spielberg sci
Speaker 6: fi thriller that was really sitting in the back of
Speaker 6: my mind, when around two thousand and five time frame,
Speaker 6: I found some footprints with my son. I was having
Speaker 6: a similar experience as the Richard Dreyfus character as far
Speaker 6: as what if this could go down a rabbit hole
Speaker 6: worth having with father and son. It turns out that
Speaker 6: father took to a lot more than son. So here
Speaker 6: we are twenty twenty four, still looking down all these
Speaker 6: rabbit holes a bigfoot.
Speaker 4: That is a excellent story.
Speaker 5: I know that my dad loves Spielberg, He's into jewels
Speaker 5: and all that.
Speaker 1: You found these tracks, you were interested in the subject.
Speaker 1: When did you really start digging into the bigfoot phenomenon,
Speaker 1: getting out into the woods, taking a look at this
Speaker 1: and really diving into that rabbit hole that we've all
Speaker 1: went down of Bigfoot and that phenomenon.
Speaker 6: It turns out that a neighbor of mine was a witness.
Speaker 6: He was saying incredible stuff. He was saying stuff that
Speaker 6: he was experiencing the phenomenon multiple times, and to me
Speaker 6: that seemed like an error or a fallacy, or just
Speaker 6: somewhat extreme. However, I kept hearing that from witnesses as
Speaker 6: I started to interview them. I would do monthly meetings
Speaker 6: alcohol anonymous meetings up in the woods in an old
Speaker 6: pizza parlor once a month on a Wednesday night, and
Speaker 6: we packed the house full of blue collar workers, cops,
Speaker 6: forestry workers. We'd all tip back an ipa, have some pizza,
Speaker 6: and tell outrageous Bigfoot stories that turned into conferences, and
Speaker 6: by the time twenty ten rolled around, I really just
Speaker 6: had to make a choice as to how I wanted
Speaker 6: to spend my time bigfooting. Did I want to merely
Speaker 6: go with the flesh and blood answer, or did I
Speaker 6: want to lean into this idea. By the way, what
Speaker 6: the First Nations people say is that these are a
Speaker 6: type of people and you can experience them on multiple
Speaker 6: occasions if you do it the right way, and there
Speaker 6: seems to be a right way and a wrong way.
Speaker 6: My opinion definitely.
Speaker 1: Want to get into some of that stuff as far
Speaker 1: as those experiences, because I've seen that so much in
Speaker 1: my Bigfoot research, is the different experiences people have depending
Speaker 1: on how you look at this phenomenon. So I definitely
Speaker 1: want to get into some of that before we get
Speaker 1: into any more of that stuff. Chris, did you have
Speaker 1: a question that you want to throw in before we
Speaker 1: go down another path here?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm really interested in the footprints you found with
Speaker 3: your son, How many, how big were they?
Speaker 6: The footprint was a solo footprint and the icy mud
Speaker 6: on a hiking trail, but it was headed into the
Speaker 6: BlackBerry brush, and it was an either or it's either
Speaker 6: a hope situation or a big man, something to that effect.
Speaker 6: But we had the mind to put a scale object
Speaker 6: in this case a little hiking whistle survivalist whistle, and
Speaker 6: took a photo. When we shopped that photo around, I
Speaker 6: got a conversation going with a local friend of mine,
Speaker 6: and he introduced me to the world of bigfoot and
Speaker 6: how to talk to these men and women. I guess
Speaker 6: I really took to the interview process. I started walking
Speaker 6: around wherever I could with a recorder, inviting people out
Speaker 6: to community colleges. It was just a matter of time
Speaker 6: before I would get out in the woods and experience
Speaker 6: this myself, which took no time at all. I lived
Speaker 6: in a little town of Springfield, Oregon, a lumber town,
Speaker 6: so for me to drive into what people would call
Speaker 6: pristine Sasquatch habitat was literally like a twenty minute drive.
Speaker 6: In my trout fishing days on the Mackenzie River, it
Speaker 6: was Sasquatch's backyard or front yard.
Speaker 1: Let's stay in the vein of footprint evidence, because that's
Speaker 1: something that has happened to me recently. I cast some
Speaker 1: prints here on our land last October and they turned
Speaker 1: out really well. I sent him over to Cliff and
Speaker 1: looking at him, I know he sent some skins a
Speaker 1: couple of days ago, and he sent him over to
Speaker 1: Meldrum and he's waiting to hear back. Let's talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about some of the other footprints that are
Speaker 1: out there. I know you were involved back in twenty
Speaker 1: twelve in the London Trackway. I've talked to Cliff at
Speaker 1: length about that, but for folks that aren't familiar with
Speaker 1: those tracks, can you talk a little bit about the
Speaker 1: London Trackway, how you got involved in that, and what
Speaker 1: ended up being the case with those.
Speaker 6: It's funny you mentioned that Cliff and I had a
Speaker 6: conference in an Oakridge, Oregon a couple months back. These
Speaker 6: supposedly dubious track finds of one hundred and twenty footprints
Speaker 6: in the February mud of cottage growth lake bed were
Speaker 6: an a roundabout way found by my son through a
Speaker 6: neighbor named Max Roy Long story short is a guy
Speaker 6: was on a walk on a trailbed and saw some
Speaker 6: interesting footprints, saw a bumper sticker on my son's car,
Speaker 6: knocked on the door and said, Hey, there might be
Speaker 6: something interesting down the road. You should go take a look.
Speaker 6: Then I got the call. I was working hospice care
Speaker 6: at the time in Eugene, Oregon, and by eleven o'clock
Speaker 6: at night, we were learning how to cast prints. Initially,
Speaker 6: these were three prints off of the unestablished trout fishing
Speaker 6: spot above a lake bend. We ended up finding a
Speaker 6: fourth print coming in from the Poison Oak trail between
Speaker 6: a Warehouser Road and what is known as London Road.
Speaker 6: Hence the name of this trackway was the London Trackway.
Speaker 6: So for a period of months, including footprints, we had
Speaker 6: a guy come down from Hood River and do one
Speaker 6: of the first drone studies of the trackway. As far
Speaker 6: as weight displacement measurement, there's all sorts of what I
Speaker 6: would call field research science going on as far as
Speaker 6: what these tracks could be. One thing that was interesting
Speaker 6: is that the track seemed to be legit just due
Speaker 6: to the fact that they were so big, so expect
Speaker 6: and there was ten season researchers, including Cliff down there.
Speaker 6: We all walked away with different evidence of what was
Speaker 6: going on with these footprints, some fourteen and a half
Speaker 6: inches in length and some forty five inches apart for
Speaker 6: over one hundred yards. There's interesting attributes about these footprints
Speaker 6: that I think point to an elaborate hoax, not just
Speaker 6: a simple rigid stomper at all. Now, with the use
Speaker 6: of having light bar on our phone, the evidence that
Speaker 6: we didn't walk away with, unfortunately in that lake bed,
Speaker 6: could have been repeated again. Since that time, new tracks
Speaker 6: have been found in and around the London area as
Speaker 6: well by a team out of Eastern Oregon. They were
Speaker 6: very similar to the tracks that we found in twenty twelve.
Speaker 6: Now this would have been last year, I believe sometime,
Speaker 6: so it makes me wonder what's really going on with
Speaker 6: that trackway. The point is that it led me to
Speaker 6: Cottage Grove. This was already a hot spot. We all
Speaker 6: knew the area was ripe with bigfoot encounters. That's why
Speaker 6: some of us still think they're real. And no one's
Speaker 6: ever come forward with proof that these are fake except
Speaker 6: an opinion about it. There is no stopper, There is
Speaker 6: no person that has the smoking gun moving topics.
Speaker 5: Then, Tony, you met a couple of days ago. I
Speaker 5: first knew you from the brilliant show you're on called
Speaker 5: Expedition Bigfoot. Could you tell us what your experience was
Speaker 5: like on Expetition before? What was it like working with
Speaker 5: the Expoedition Bigfoot team?
Speaker 6: First of all, when you say it's a brilliant show,
Speaker 6: it sounds even more brilliant than when I say it.
Speaker 6: That's all do your charming accent. So I got a
Speaker 6: phone call from the production team that knows a couple
Speaker 6: of different shows on Discovery Network and had a conversation
Speaker 6: with the owners of those companies about the possibility of
Speaker 6: just interviewing to see if I wanted to do it.
Speaker 6: I said, of course, yeah, it's a great opportunity to
Speaker 6: talk about the subject matter. How do you want to
Speaker 6: use me? Because I have a weird take on what's
Speaker 6: going on? Not so weird anymore. It used to be
Speaker 6: weird now it's getting more mainstream. But I think that
Speaker 6: Sasquatch is some kind of land spirit more so than
Speaker 6: just a flesh and blood phenomena. But I'm leaning again
Speaker 6: on what the First Nation's people told me all those
Speaker 6: years ago. However, since I lean so hard on the
Speaker 6: fact that we don't seem to have permission to use
Speaker 6: cameras with Sasquatch, I've been using audio recordings mainly. I
Speaker 6: use my task amdro five, the ninety nine dollars version
Speaker 6: here that you can get on Amazon. I walked away
Speaker 6: with evidence that you seem to be able to get
Speaker 6: closer to the Sasquatch phenomena. If A you don't try
Speaker 6: to trick them, b you tell them what you're going
Speaker 6: to do and then only focus in on interaction through audio,
Speaker 6: they seem to come closer. They seem to leave more
Speaker 6: than trace evidence. They forensic evidence, including hairs. Can't really
Speaker 6: make this up and hear this hair has been sent
Speaker 6: off to a guy named Cindy Doson and Canada who
Speaker 6: did a forensic hair analysis on some of the hairs
Speaker 6: that we've found at this place we call the Owl
Speaker 6: Moon Lab, regarding some knee impressions that we found in
Speaker 6: the area as well, which are inexplicable. They wanted to
Speaker 6: focus mainly on why I thought audio was the key.
Speaker 6: We came up with the name Bioacoustic Researcher or something
Speaker 6: to that effect. I'm leaning mainly on the research of
Speaker 6: Scott Nelson. A voice up here in Dave Ellison wouldbe
Speaker 6: Island a friend of mine Norse by using audacity as
Speaker 6: my way of sound analysis looking at the spectrogram as
Speaker 6: far as where these sounds land in the Hurtz level.
Speaker 6: So that's what we decided to do, is we would
Speaker 6: make use of my opinion on how to look at
Speaker 6: the sounds.
Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about that. You mentioned the
Speaker 1: Owl Moon Lab. You wrote a book about this. We'll
Speaker 1: certainly talk about the book later on. I want to
Speaker 1: that I am also a fellow author on hunder one Publishing,
Speaker 1: so we definitely want to talk about the Owl Moon Lab.
Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about that story. How did
Speaker 1: you get involved in that property? Can you give everybody
Speaker 1: the overview of what was going on there and how
Speaker 1: you got involved and then what you ultimately encovered doing
Speaker 1: your investigation there.
Speaker 6: Absolutely after the London Tracks, it was an established anniversary
Speaker 6: date of the February twenty twelve, so every February we'd
Speaker 6: go down to the lake bed and Trump's around and
Speaker 6: look for New Prince perhaps because that's when the lake
Speaker 6: was at its driest. It turns into a giant Muddy
Speaker 6: Creek and then fills into a man made reservoir. Someone
Speaker 6: moved to town, a guy by the name of Darryl Adams.
Speaker 6: He was at a private gathering called Beachfoot, an annual
Speaker 6: event put together by Todd nice. Ron Moorhead was a
Speaker 6: regular attendee at that time, so Darryl and Ron had
Speaker 6: to talk about where he'd moved. He said, Oh, you
Speaker 6: moved to Cottage Grove. I know a guy that lives
Speaker 6: up that way. Maybe if you want to look into
Speaker 6: sasquatch now that you're retired, give him a call. So
Speaker 6: I got an email or Facebook message. Dar and I
Speaker 6: had a conversation about the London tracks. So we agreed
Speaker 6: to meet up there in February. If he had a
Speaker 6: great sense of humor, that's key to me. I don't
Speaker 6: want to do this unless you're cool or less. Work
Speaker 6: like having jives where I could have a beer with
Speaker 6: you deal, because really that's all you do when you
Speaker 6: go bigfoot, and as you look for someone that you
Speaker 6: can hang with, because you're going to hang way more
Speaker 6: than you're going to have the chills and thrills of bigfoot.
Speaker 6: And it turned out that he lived near one of
Speaker 6: the hotspot zones not too far away. And I told
Speaker 6: him that, and I said, hey, you may want to
Speaker 6: get a better truck. I think you need to get
Speaker 6: up in those hills. I'd love to come with you.
Speaker 6: There's all sorts of stories from behind your house. So
Speaker 6: that's when things really took off. And we found these
Speaker 6: knee impressions off the side of the road while we
Speaker 6: were l hunting. These knee impressions turned into quite a thing, right,
Speaker 6: because they were either a single knee impression that is
Speaker 6: dividen too the mud once, or they are pair We
Speaker 6: don't know which because the anatomy is not really there
Speaker 6: on the left hand print, but it's plus or minus
Speaker 6: fourteen hundred pounds with inexplicable hair not in the data set,
Speaker 6: so nothing matched microscopically the hair as it relates to
Speaker 6: that we actually cast the entire print. It was about
Speaker 6: fifty pounds bag of plaster that we had to make
Speaker 6: a spontaneous rigid board bushboard and bring back to the
Speaker 6: house and let drive for a couple of weeks, not
Speaker 6: to a month at Daryl's new house. Now, when we
Speaker 6: left those impressions in the house, it seemed to bring
Speaker 6: things out of the woods, other things that would seem
Speaker 6: to come to Daryl's house, including these weird sounds. And
Speaker 6: these sounds started off as and here we're going to
Speaker 6: get started with the whole sound phenomenon, right. I was
Speaker 6: working as a truck driver now at this time, so
Speaker 6: I would go away short haul from Oregon to Washington
Speaker 6: and get these texts at o dark thirty from Darryl
Speaker 6: saying something hit the house. Weird sounds at the house
Speaker 6: near the knee impressions, YadA, YadA, YadA. That's when we
Speaker 6: started setting the recorders out, so he'd put a parabolic
Speaker 6: and I would put my task in. He said, why
Speaker 6: you move in and study this thing full time with me.
Speaker 6: I said, okay, So I brought my camper in and
Speaker 6: I moved in with Darryl. And what we notice is
Speaker 6: that these sounds were way more mysterious than possible house
Speaker 6: slapping or rock throwing, because there was a predicated sound
Speaker 6: of something hitting, but there was no secondary sound of
Speaker 6: a rock falling down on the ground. There was just
Speaker 6: these weird thuds all around his house. And I thought, Wow,
Speaker 6: that's an incredible thing to try to document visually. Let's
Speaker 6: stay up all night and see if we can do that.
Speaker 1: It's definitely an interesting story. I'm going to go over
Speaker 1: to Chris and let Chris get a question in here.
Speaker 3: Tell me about this sound recorders. If you found the infrasound,
Speaker 3: have you found evidence about in.
Speaker 6: And around cottage growth is one of the only places
Speaker 6: where we most likely experienced what people call infrasound. I
Speaker 6: don't think it's infrasound at all. I think it's some
Speaker 6: kind of psychic force entering the forest because at pinpoints
Speaker 6: to individuals. It's a little bit lengthy of a story.
Speaker 6: But yeah, we're pushed off as a group after twenty twelve.
Speaker 6: I get the dates mixed up a little bit, but
Speaker 6: there were about five of us in and around Darryl's neighborhood,
Speaker 6: let's say, where we're actually pushed out of the woods.
Speaker 6: In one case, one of the guy worked for the
Speaker 6: local fire department, and this guy was so scared that
Speaker 6: he ran down the hill saying why am I going
Speaker 6: to cry? Why am I going to cry? That did
Speaker 6: not fit the profile for his job at all. Although
Speaker 6: I didn't know the guy, I thought maybe he was
Speaker 6: a box of crazy. Who the hell knows. One by one,
Speaker 6: these grown men are running out of the woods saying
Speaker 6: crazy stuff like I shouldn't have brought my gun, I
Speaker 6: got to throw my gun away. It's something beyond infrasound.
Speaker 6: They're getting messages delivered to them as individuals, and it's
Speaker 6: focused and targeted, like one of those riot l rad
Speaker 6: machines that the cops used to disperse individuals, same principle.
Speaker 1: It's interesting because I interviewed about in Minnesota a couple
Speaker 1: of months ago. Abe felt like he had been in
Speaker 1: a situation where he was in a group and he
Speaker 1: was the largest person in this group. He felt like
Speaker 1: he was targeted with infrasound because he became nauseous, he
Speaker 1: was having trouble going any further into the area, but
Speaker 1: he was the only person filling these effects. Then once
Speaker 1: he backed out, the infrasound or whatever was going on
Speaker 1: seemed to dissipate and stop again. Nobody else was targeted
Speaker 1: in that scenario. Have you heard of anything similar to that? Obviously,
Speaker 1: these guys are getting messages, as you said, that were targeted,
Speaker 1: But have you heard of other scenarios where people were
Speaker 1: having negative experiences and they felt like they were being
Speaker 1: targeted with infrasound and stay tuned for more sasquatch out
Speaker 1: to see. We'll be right back after these messages.
Speaker 6: Yeah, of course you hear the stories. It's just confirmed.
Speaker 6: What we're talking about here is so crazy. It's so
Speaker 6: different than what a killer whale can do, an elephant
Speaker 6: can do, and no one reports in the bush that
Speaker 6: an elephant told them to throw their spear of their
Speaker 6: gun away. And yet this is the stuff that bigfooters
Speaker 6: say time and time again, specific language being spoken to
Speaker 6: them that other people can't hear, especially people with weapons
Speaker 6: or people that seem to be an imposing force with
Speaker 6: a mission at stake. Let's say that's been my experience
Speaker 6: in looking into this. The only people that weren't targeted
Speaker 6: in our case were the people that didn't have weapons
Speaker 6: and didn't really come there to try to prove anything.
Speaker 1: One last follow up before I kick it back over
Speaker 1: to Daniel for his next question, where is this area?
Speaker 1: Because this is something that's come up recently. When I
Speaker 1: first got into bigfoot, really back into the subject five
Speaker 1: six years ago and started really digging into and I
Speaker 1: was under the impression these things were primarily in the
Speaker 1: Pacific Northwest, and you had to be eighteen miles deep
Speaker 1: in the woods to have an experience with these things.
Speaker 1: And boy have I learned a lot over the last
Speaker 1: three to four years. These experiences in these encounters seem
Speaker 1: to be happening on what I call edges, in some
Speaker 1: cases in residential areas that back up to farmland or
Speaker 1: even some sort of forested areas. But it's not a
Speaker 1: place that you would expect to have a bigfoot encounter.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Where is this place as far
Speaker 1: as the Owl Moon Lab located. Is it very remote?
Speaker 1: Or is it on one of these sort of areas
Speaker 1: that I call these edges that we've cut into as
Speaker 1: people were going further and further into the woods. Is
Speaker 1: it in one of those areas or would you expect
Speaker 1: to have a big foot type encounter there?
Speaker 6: Edges with power lines and dishes. That's what I've noticed,
Speaker 6: You know what I mean by that? If you find
Speaker 6: an area and this gets into the world of power
Speaker 6: spots and geomancing, and we're leaning on some of the
Speaker 6: work that Travis Taylor is doing at Skinlocker. But if
Speaker 6: you have a valley, a V shape valley, and you
Speaker 6: have a river, generally rivers love to run through valleys,
Speaker 6: and you have a quartz rich environment underneath running water,
Speaker 6: you seem to have conductive energy for the supernatural paranormal hotspots.
Speaker 6: This was the Calapuya territory at one time that we're
Speaker 6: speaking of. They called Sasquatch chi Chuo Chippy. There's some
Speaker 6: interesting Western Pioneer links to Sasquatch two in the area.
Speaker 6: We don't have time to get into read the book.
Speaker 6: But when it comes to the edges, I like that
Speaker 6: phrase it is the edges, because what we're talking about here, Brian,
Speaker 6: is we're talking about the edges of what my friend
Speaker 6: Tom Powell calls it edges of science. We're in new
Speaker 6: territory right now where we don't even know the right
Speaker 6: questions to ask as it pertains to the phenomena we're
Speaker 6: getting there. We're still looking at what's going on. I'm
Speaker 6: trying to talk people into asking maybe who these individuals
Speaker 6: are instead of what they are, because there seems to
Speaker 6: be personality profile here that is similar to us. They're curious.
Speaker 6: They seem to want to gift you things that you
Speaker 6: have just recently spoken about on the property. We would
Speaker 6: talk about personal things nondescript things, and we would get
Speaker 6: gifts with large footprints and handprints on the property. This
Speaker 6: is something that the term habituator is the coin term
Speaker 6: that people use. I call these sasquatch contact ease because
Speaker 6: the implication is that something extraordinary is going on. So
Speaker 6: these contact these including one of the gals just up
Speaker 6: the road. Auto William's mother, Sally Shepherd Walford, who wrote
Speaker 6: Valley the Skukum, lived up here near the Ording River
Speaker 6: in Washington, and they would talk about getting these strange
Speaker 6: gifts at their house as well disappearing tracks in the snow.
Speaker 6: She was leaning on the wisdom of a Native American
Speaker 6: next door. So for me, that's what I did in
Speaker 6: the beginning, as I leaned on the wisdom of the
Speaker 6: Calipuya Native Americans, who are very tight lipped about the phenomena.
Speaker 6: So I had to sleuth this out myself to get
Speaker 6: back to the origins of your question here, I think
Speaker 6: I remember what your question was. It's somewhat of a
Speaker 6: mystery for some people how to look into this phenomena. Still,
Speaker 6: I think they still think it's game cams and game
Speaker 6: trails and anything. But what I'm saying However, privately, when
Speaker 6: you give these guys a beer and you sit with
Speaker 6: them till two in the morning, that's when the real
Speaker 6: truth comes out. So what is a lie? Is it omission? Yeah?
Speaker 6: I think so. And there's a lot of omitted facts
Speaker 6: by apers in this community regarding this phenomena. That's why
Speaker 6: we had to make this movie. Right, Flash of Beauty
Speaker 6: Paranormal Bigfoot a sequel to A Flash of Beauty Bigfoot Revealed.
Speaker 6: Now we're into voices in the wilderness territory in Ron
Speaker 6: Moorehead's story coming full circle. I just left the Sierra,
Speaker 6: CA Two weeks ago. We were invited up there by
Speaker 6: one of the founding members of the camp, David Johnson.
Speaker 6: He was the son of one of the original founders
Speaker 6: of the camp. And there's some very strange stuff going
Speaker 6: on at the Sierra Camp that Ron talked about. But
Speaker 6: that's not the end of the story. These founding members
Speaker 6: will call him the forefathers of Bigfoot research that have
Speaker 6: told this flesh and blood story also have this other
Speaker 6: story that hasn't been told yet. So hold on to
Speaker 6: your hat.
Speaker 4: I've spoken to Ron moorehand a few times and it's
Speaker 4: being amazing When I've spoken to him. He's such an
Speaker 4: interesting guy. When you're out in.
Speaker 5: The field, I don't know if you've had an experience
Speaker 5: or council.
Speaker 4: How do you feel when you're in forest?
Speaker 6: I feel good if I'm below six thousand feet. It
Speaker 6: turns out that I succumbed to altitude sickness. I found
Speaker 6: that out a couple of weeks ago. In general, that's
Speaker 6: where I want to be. I like to hang a
Speaker 6: hammock so I can really take in the whole old
Speaker 6: growth Pacific Northwest vibe. I had a chance to hang
Speaker 6: a hammock at Sierra Camp and just sit there and
Speaker 6: wait for the phenomena to approach me. That to me,
Speaker 6: seems like an inevitable choice. Right Like, you're in the woods,
Speaker 6: you want to experience at all full on. So that's
Speaker 6: the way I am with this. I don't know a
Speaker 6: lot of people that like to do night hiking alone.
Speaker 6: I haven't had anything super scary Bigfoot related happen to me.
Speaker 6: It's always people freak me out when I'm out in
Speaker 6: the woods. You never know what to expect. I carry
Speaker 6: a pistol. I'm not out there with a pan fluid
Speaker 6: and a quartz crystal only I have both. I'm gonna
Speaker 6: throw my crystal and my bullets at these cycas. So
Speaker 6: I think Sasquatch knows that. I think they know your intention.
Speaker 6: I've got family, I've got obligations. I'm not going to
Speaker 6: have something have the upper hand on me. I've never
Speaker 6: had a moment with Sasquatch that was foreboding like what
Speaker 6: we talked about with infrasound. However, I think that's totally possible.
Speaker 6: I don't know what these things are. When I call
Speaker 6: them a land spirit, I hope it's a land spirit
Speaker 6: that's not out to dupe me or dupe you guys,
Speaker 6: drag you away from the truth of the matter. That's
Speaker 6: what bothers me about this whole phenomena. Here is the
Speaker 6: cloak and dagger stuff. We really have so many stories
Speaker 6: about who they say they are to people that are
Speaker 6: just full of crap. I never say that I call
Speaker 6: them a land spirit because you just can't put a
Speaker 6: finger on them. They seem to be of the spirit
Speaker 6: world because of this orb phenomena. That's what I started
Speaker 6: out to see, Daniel was someone told me that eventually
Speaker 6: a guy named Beth Hikin, and she said Eventually you
Speaker 6: will see the lights in proximity to Bigfoot, and they
Speaker 6: will be related, and it'll take you a while to
Speaker 6: figure out that they're related, but eventually you'll find that.
Speaker 6: I had my tent move forty nine feet and stuck
Speaker 6: in a tree in the same area. I saw about
Speaker 6: a fifty foot diameter light explode three or four different
Speaker 6: times in the woods in front of me. And it
Speaker 6: was all bigfoot centric scat bipedal movement that I couldn't
Speaker 6: see in the daylight witness reports on private property. I
Speaker 6: could lock it down, I could study it. It became
Speaker 6: my first al moon lab, a place I called oz
Speaker 6: up the Mackenzie Valley. So yeah, I've seen something that
Speaker 6: I can only describe. The sasquatch from about the knees
Speaker 6: down behind my jeep about four in the morning, thirty
Speaker 6: feet away on a moonless night, sneaking up to me.
Speaker 6: I haven't had the full on PG shot, but who has.
Speaker 6: What I saw was enough to get me saying, Okay,
Speaker 6: this is happening.
Speaker 1: I want to get into a couple of things. I
Speaker 1: want to talk a little bit about the habituation situations
Speaker 1: where these people are seemingly habituating these creatures and or
Speaker 1: having multiple experiences. Again, when I first got into this
Speaker 1: and started going back talking to people, I was one
Speaker 1: of those people that said, man, you just can't have
Speaker 1: multiple experiences of these things. It just becomes a little
Speaker 1: fuzzy at that point. It gets a little out there
Speaker 1: for me. If you've had four or five six experiences,
Speaker 1: and then you throw in some of the weird stuff
Speaker 1: with the lights and some people seeing craft in some
Speaker 1: cases even what they consider to be alien craft and
Speaker 1: or beings in conjunction with Bigfoot. So there's a whole
Speaker 1: lot going on in these situations. I used to separate
Speaker 1: that and say, I'm not so sure you're having all
Speaker 1: these experiences. But as it turns out, the more I've
Speaker 1: talked to people, it seems that's happening more and more.
Speaker 1: Even to me. I've had multiple experiences with different types
Speaker 1: of phenomenon over the years. Now I'm one of those
Speaker 1: persons who's had Bigfoot experiences, UFO experiences, culture geist and
Speaker 1: ghost experiences first and foremost. You talk about in your
Speaker 1: book extended experiences of Sasquatch, which you call ee sis.
Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit about that, and
Speaker 1: I think it ties into what I was just talking about,
Speaker 1: but a little bit about the tailor effect that you
Speaker 1: talk about in your book. Can you talk about those
Speaker 1: things and how you deal with that as an investigator
Speaker 1: with people who have had multiple experiences and maybe even
Speaker 1: be in a habituation.
Speaker 6: The idea of extended experiences of sasquatch contact these in
Speaker 6: the book, just because it seems so alien connected. It's
Speaker 6: alien like, right, Like, we're trying to understand what this
Speaker 6: alien connection is through a tip and arrow and the Pentagon.
Speaker 6: Right now, one thing's for sure is that they're preparing
Speaker 6: us for something. You have lou Alizanda writing a book
Speaker 6: called Imminent, basically the head of this secret Pentagon program
Speaker 6: looking in the UFOs, saying things like, maybe the phenomena
Speaker 6: comes between the spaces in between, not outer space, interdimensional, right,
Speaker 6: this is what he's saying. He's trying to soft disclosure
Speaker 6: the public here about something. Now, this gets into a
Speaker 6: whole new territory of what the government's been looking at
Speaker 6: all along. If you look into Skinwalker Ranch, you'll see
Speaker 6: that they've been looking into Bigfoot, but not calling it bigfoot.
Speaker 6: They call it a humanoid walking out of portals. They
Speaker 6: describe seeing large biped humanoids all around the uent to
Speaker 6: base and including blind frog ranch all along the right.
Speaker 6: This gets into this parabolic dish shaped idea, and maybe
Speaker 6: that's spurred on by a meteor or something like that,
Speaker 6: leaving a discharge of some kind. This is what Travis
Speaker 6: Taylor's talking about. But as far as the tailor effect,
Speaker 6: the definition, in my opinion of that is a little
Speaker 6: bit different than the hitchhiker effect, where the phenomena follows
Speaker 6: you home. I'd be curious to know some of your stories,
Speaker 6: in particular Brian, about what's followed you home, because as
Speaker 6: follows us all home. But when you get into the
Speaker 6: Taylor effect, these are things that are nuanced for individuals,
Speaker 6: and it's almost maddening because you know that it's super
Speaker 6: unusual and unique.
Speaker 5: I e.
Speaker 6: These gifts left in inexplicable spots with hair with large handprints.
Speaker 6: It just seems bigfooting, right. It's so bonkers, and it's
Speaker 6: only for you that it's tailor made like a soup.
Speaker 6: You can't change it out with anybody. You can't have
Speaker 6: your neighbor to hear about this, your spouse, your kids.
Speaker 6: It's just like I found an eagle feather in my
Speaker 6: locked car, sitting on top of the steering wheel, and
Speaker 6: I was just talking about how beautiful the eagles were.
Speaker 6: Something to that effect. Is that bigfoot There's no evidence,
Speaker 6: but it's definitely bigfooty. But these are the two am conversations. See,
Speaker 6: the conferences are over and then the bars open, and
Speaker 6: that's where the real stories are at the pub in
Speaker 6: your case there, I don't know if you guys can
Speaker 6: start having guinness as soon as you get out of preschool.
Speaker 6: I think when the pub is open and the conferences
Speaker 6: are closed, and you too, Chris, maybe you can attest this.
Speaker 6: We can all raise a pint to the truth, and
Speaker 6: I think that's where you're going to find the truth
Speaker 6: is at the pub.
Speaker 1: I've definitely had those experiences at multiple conferences in the past.
Speaker 1: It all happens after the conference is over. I'm going
Speaker 1: to go to Chris and let Chris squeak into question here.
Speaker 3: I have an observation for those people on this side
Speaker 3: of the pond about your knee print where you estimated
Speaker 3: forteen hundred pounds six hundred and thirty five kilogram. So
Speaker 3: we called callus life the.
Speaker 6: Night, and that wouldn't put it out of the possibility
Speaker 6: for a very unusual angula or elk. There's roaming cattle
Speaker 6: in around that area. We found out later, however, there
Speaker 6: was no other disturbance and there was mud from the
Speaker 6: same substrate fourteen feet up in a tree. So whatever
Speaker 6: it was seemed to be related to the weight displacement
Speaker 6: of fourteen hundred pounds done by Boeing engineer Scott Taylor
Speaker 6: and Cindy Dosons, who study the hair to say, when
Speaker 6: you find knee impressions, they might be inbound to something elevated.
Speaker 6: Go look in a nearby tree. Is there a tree?
Speaker 6: And I said, there was a tree above those knee impressions.
Speaker 6: We'll go back and look, and we ended up finding
Speaker 6: this very distinct red clay. The knees were left in
Speaker 6: the bark of the tree with a single hair coming
Speaker 6: out of the mud. Now, unfortunately it was windy and
Speaker 6: we didn't get the hair and time I don't even
Speaker 6: think it was on camera, but we got so much
Speaker 6: on camera. And that's the cool thing about the book
Speaker 6: is really the barcodes and it takes you to the
Speaker 6: field evidence. All the audio fourteen hundred hours worth of
Speaker 6: audio we collected from this area. Now, you're not going
Speaker 6: to listen to all fourteen hundred hours of clicks, taps
Speaker 6: and stuff, but there are sounds in there, including language.
Speaker 6: These beings speak. They use what are called morphine streams
Speaker 6: and cognates in order to have utterances and conversations. And
Speaker 6: they do so, and my research only when they're with another,
Speaker 6: so never really alone. They're always when they're speaking, there's
Speaker 6: more than one and so you can hear a back
Speaker 6: and forth exchange. At least on I believe two of
Speaker 6: the sound clips from the property. And by the way,
Speaker 6: the rural area this was people were talking about Bigfoot.
Speaker 6: We had the farmers next door talking about a blue
Speaker 6: eyed bear on two legs coming down to the farmhouse,
Speaker 6: leaving weird toys in front of their step, a gallon
Speaker 6: of yurk, getting pine cones, throw an adder, a cat
Speaker 6: that was smashed and delivered to the back door of
Speaker 6: a farmer's house on an elevated deck. Really strange stuff.
Speaker 1: You mentioned a flash of beauty earlier Bigfoot revealed there
Speaker 1: was one thing that I found, Well, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of things that we're intriguing about that documentary, but one
Speaker 1: thing in particular that you were involved in was a
Speaker 1: scene where you guys were out looking at some tree structures.
Speaker 1: Those things have always been something that has fascinated me
Speaker 1: when it comes to Bigfoot, because they're found almost everywhere,
Speaker 1: weird things over in the United Kingdom. When we went
Speaker 1: out to Daniel's research area when we were there a
Speaker 1: couple of months ago, I found them here on my
Speaker 1: property in North Carolina. I found them in the Pacific Northwest.
Speaker 1: They're everywhere. It's a common thing when it comes to bigfoot,
Speaker 1: or it seems to be. I went out an expedition
Speaker 1: with Todd Standing last year in October. I was up
Speaker 1: there for a week. One of the most interesting things
Speaker 1: outside of the thousands, literally thousands of tree breaks that
Speaker 1: are in and around that area, that appeared to be
Speaker 1: something other than natural. I'll say that we found this
Speaker 1: amazing what I considered to be a tree structure. There
Speaker 1: was probably a three hundred, three hundred and thirty year
Speaker 1: old tree, and there were these huge trees that were
Speaker 1: probably eighty feet long, maybe twelve to fourteen inches in diameter.
Speaker 1: There were three of them that came together at a point,
Speaker 1: perfectly within inches of each other. At the apex of
Speaker 1: these three trees. We did some quick analysis found that
Speaker 1: there was no rootball. Todd actually went back later on
Speaker 1: and did some reconnaissance with the next group of folks
Speaker 1: that came in after I left and found for sure
Speaker 1: they dug down there was no rootball to these trees.
Speaker 1: They were placed there. The interesting thing that is a
Speaker 1: correlation that I want to tie into the documentary Flash
Speaker 1: of Beauty, is you pulled out a compass and this
Speaker 1: thing was exactly due north. Multiple things were stacked up
Speaker 1: pointing exactly due north. That is the correlation that we
Speaker 1: found in Canada with this particular trees. There was one
Speaker 1: exactly due north, the other one was exactly due south.
Speaker 1: The third one was a little bit off. It didn't
Speaker 1: make a whole lot of sense. But just to be
Speaker 1: able to play something within an inch or so eighty
Speaker 1: feet tall in this huge tree and it be exactly
Speaker 1: due north cannot be a coincidence. In my opinion. You'd
Speaker 1: have to have heavy equipment out there with all the
Speaker 1: dead fall that was around this tree. How do you
Speaker 1: handling that in your research? As far as these tree structures,
Speaker 1: I know it's obviously subjective, but what is your theory
Speaker 1: if you have one on is it Bigfoot related? Are
Speaker 1: they doing these things? And if so, why and what
Speaker 1: is the possible reason behind these things, because that's really
Speaker 1: the burning question for me.
Speaker 6: Gosh, one's really documented sasquatch building these things. There seems
Speaker 6: to be trace evidence of E DNA around nesting sites.
Speaker 6: The Olympic Project has a whole nesting site out here
Speaker 6: in the op Nesser. Obviously a little different than what
Speaker 6: we're talking about here, especially with compasses, although I'd be
Speaker 6: curious to see if there's some kind of anomaly associated
Speaker 6: with compasses. In general, there's strange things that happen electronically
Speaker 6: with the phenomena, much like looking into poltergeist and stuff here.
Speaker 6: But let's just back up here. Maybe it's something simple
Speaker 6: to a direction of Doe North, do to the fact
Speaker 6: that there's a travel area that they're suggesting another do
Speaker 6: maybe in this case, when we're in the documentary, there
Speaker 6: was a creek right down the way where the waterfall
Speaker 6: pointed in that area. The reason I put my compass
Speaker 6: on that reported tree structure was to see if there
Speaker 6: is any kind of artifact that would happen to the compasses,
Speaker 6: though maybe it would spin in circles or something like that.
Speaker 6: Maybe it was, as I mentioned, an expedition Bigfoot is
Speaker 6: geomants to create some kind of power spot or something
Speaker 6: like that. I don't think that's necessarily the case. These
Speaker 6: things are weird. They're not only brute for strength types
Speaker 6: of things that make them. Although snowload can do a
Speaker 6: lot of this. The forest is just a damned place
Speaker 6: where stuff falls all over. It makes no sense at times.
Speaker 6: But when you see whole root balls carried to different
Speaker 6: locations or are laid in front of an old logging road,
Speaker 6: that's a brute force kind of thing happening there. I'm
Speaker 6: more interested in the nuanced stuff, like the little tiny
Speaker 6: stuff they seem to do, really minute weavings to vine
Speaker 6: maple that continue to happen in the cottage grove area
Speaker 6: and up here vine maple seems to be the plant
Speaker 6: of choice, and we're talking about taking little branches and
Speaker 6: doing like Native American braid style stuff all the way
Speaker 6: up the vine. And these are living trees that are
Speaker 6: brought together to work on these things. Small low areas
Speaker 6: to high up areas as well. That dis points to
Speaker 6: a type of almost like autistic nature of what we're
Speaker 6: looking into here. Very specific details into what we're looking
Speaker 6: at to the degree where the average person wouldn't spend
Speaker 6: the time doing that.
Speaker 1: And stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll
Speaker 1: be right back after these messages. Go ahead, Daniel.
Speaker 4: My last question, we're in the big world.
Speaker 5: There's always two different camps, Parallemal and the Blessing Book. Now,
Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure I know this answer, but maybe some
Speaker 5: people out there, what could you tell us number one?
Speaker 4: With one you full in?
Speaker 6: I was pushed down the rabbit hole of the paranormal
Speaker 6: as a young kid, and I'd never crawled out. Maybe
Speaker 6: it's the fact that I was the only child, but
Speaker 6: for me, it just seemed a whole lot more fun.
Speaker 6: If you're not having fun doing this, you should just
Speaker 6: get out because you're never going to really make anything
Speaker 6: off of it. It's all about friendships, relationships. My girlfriend
Speaker 6: I met at a big Foot conference, right, obviously I
Speaker 6: scored big time. That's the first thing that you need
Speaker 6: to make sure that your ladies into this, because, let's
Speaker 6: face it, we're male dominated category here. If you're into cryptids,
Speaker 6: find a cryptid hunterest. This is a weird topic. I'm
Speaker 6: just saying, it's a little more weird than maybe the public.
Speaker 6: Ronnie to his credit and RPG to their credit, and
Speaker 6: even Bobo and the Finding Bigfoot Days to his credit.
Speaker 6: These were all the people leaning on. There was that
Speaker 6: one story. There is this cross contamination issue of what's
Speaker 6: going on with the paranormal. But now we're in the mainstream,
Speaker 6: Daniel to where this phenomena is being talked about with
Speaker 6: the X Files music in the background, and we need
Speaker 6: to prepare ourselves because there are people that have been
Speaker 6: really damaged by ridicule, ruined by ridicule for seeing what
Speaker 6: they saw, not just Bigfoot, for the fact that they've
Speaker 6: seen the supernatural present itself with this phenomena. We talk
Speaker 6: about that in our documentary as well, this idea of
Speaker 6: what's called a hidden event. How you compartmentalize this type
Speaker 6: of trauma in your life, because it is a type
Speaker 6: of rewiring and trauma to your worldview that can really
Speaker 6: hose up your everyday reality.
Speaker 1: Definitely true. Before we get out of here, we've mentioned
Speaker 1: it a couple of times. We've talked about the book,
Speaker 1: We've talked about some of your television stuff. Tell everybody
Speaker 1: where they can get the book. Where's the best place
Speaker 1: to pick that up, what they can expect when they
Speaker 1: get it, and talk about any other projects that you're
Speaker 1: working on or you have coming.
Speaker 6: Up to So you can check out the book on
Speaker 6: Hangar one Publishing or Amazon, The Almoon Lab, a Paranormal Experiment.
Speaker 6: I would send everybody over to our YouTube channel over
Speaker 6: at A Flash of Beauty, the podcast where we do
Speaker 6: weekly live shows as well with Jill Remenschneider, the producer
Speaker 6: and Brett Eichenberger, the director of A Flash of Beauty.
Speaker 6: We're under pre production wrapping up the voices in the wilderness,
Speaker 6: the whole story about what happened in the Sierras. It's
Speaker 6: going to blow people away, a piece of the American Northwest,
Speaker 6: a Western story really of a supernatural kind. And of
Speaker 6: course you can go check out all our free stuff
Speaker 6: over at the YouTube channel, including A Flash of Beauty,
Speaker 6: Bigfoot Revealed and Paranormal Bigfoot, and a lot of interviews.
Speaker 6: We have a lot of behind the scene interviews that
Speaker 6: get into this witness testimony and people are really responding
Speaker 6: to them.
Speaker 5: I would like to say find you to everyone in
Speaker 5: the chat. Whilst the podcast has been going on, I
Speaker 5: have been paying attention to it and We have some
Speaker 5: great people in chats, including the Alaska Big Cruise.
Speaker 4: It leaves tomorrow, so good luck to you guys.
Speaker 5: Time it's been amazing and I hope we can continue
Speaker 5: working together at some point.
Speaker 4: My last words will be keep searching. Stamentical as they
Speaker 4: say about be sure.
Speaker 7: They say you don't have a go, but you guessay.
Speaker 7: And I don't want to feel a world happen. Science
Speaker 7: trying to try that chart everything.
Speaker 8: Call it ride back, pride back joy from me, joy
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