Speaker 1: Batting lead off with one of our favorites, and I'm
Speaker 1: told he's in the heart of New York City, in
Speaker 1: midtown Manhattan is where we find our friend Lee Ellis
Speaker 1: on a Tuesday afternoon.
Speaker 2: Lee, Happy Tuesday, sir. How are you fine?
Speaker 3: Thanks Bence, Thanks very much for having me.
Speaker 1: How's the how's the weather? How's how are the conditions
Speaker 1: out in New York City?
Speaker 3: Actually beautiful? Really nice sunny day. Not too human as well.
Speaker 3: I live in Atlanta, so we're already sinking hot in
Speaker 3: the humidity, but it's nice and breezy. The streets are alive,
Speaker 3: and you can sort of feel, you know, a bit
Speaker 3: of energy. The Nicks haven't been in a position like
Speaker 3: this before, and so I was down at Madison Square
Speaker 3: Garden before, and you know, you can sort of tell
Speaker 3: everyone's pretty excited and looking forward to Game one tomorrow night.
Speaker 2: Oh, I've got the forecast up. It does look lovely
Speaker 2: in midtown Manhattan. Good for you.
Speaker 1: So you reference that you can kind of feel the
Speaker 1: buzz in the city. Are Are you noticing people wearing
Speaker 1: Nick jerseys and hats and such? Are you are you
Speaker 1: seeing a lot of Nick paraphernalia out about New York.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, and even one Devin book Sun's jersey which
Speaker 3: sort of slid up to me a little bit. But
Speaker 3: other than that, yeah, I mean again, just the energy
Speaker 3: around the garden there, you know, just before, like everyone's
Speaker 3: sort of excited and they can't wait for it to
Speaker 3: happen here tomorrow. And I because, as I said, they
Speaker 3: just haven't been in this position, this far into the
Speaker 3: playoffs for so long. And not only that, but I
Speaker 3: think they are a real chance too, because you know,
Speaker 3: I don't think anyone realistically had them beating the Celtics,
Speaker 3: and they did that quite comfortably and quite impressively. And
Speaker 3: now they go from having, you know, go from being
Speaker 3: underdog in the conference semifinals to being favorite in the finals.
Speaker 3: So it's quite a remarkable position that the Knicks find
Speaker 3: themselves in right now.
Speaker 1: You know, lee the last team to win a championship
Speaker 1: with a ball dominant, smallish guard as the best player
Speaker 1: really was Detroit back in the Isaiah Thomas you know,
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty eight, nineteen eighty nine days. And that's who
Speaker 1: the Necks are now. It's not just Jalen, but if
Speaker 1: we're honest, he really is the engine that makes them
Speaker 1: go What stands out most you about how Jalen Brunson
Speaker 1: has answered every question that's been thrown at him. A
Speaker 1: lot of people, as you probably recall, were very skeptical
Speaker 1: that the next decided to go all in on him,
Speaker 1: and I'll admit that he's better than I ever thought
Speaker 1: he could be.
Speaker 2: What stands out most to you about his growth?
Speaker 3: I think it's that continual clutch performances. If you go
Speaker 3: back to the Piston series, he'd really deliver it on
Speaker 3: the road in Detroit. He closed out that series with
Speaker 3: a huge three Remember they were down seven or eight
Speaker 3: points with about a minute togo in Game six and
Speaker 3: Brunton stepped up and knocked down the shot. And then
Speaker 3: the same thing in the Celtics series. And again I've
Speaker 3: got to give so much respect and admiration to sib
Speaker 3: Tom Thibodeaux and the entire team because they were getting
Speaker 3: smoked by the Celtics in that second round, you know,
Speaker 3: down twenty in three games and came back and won.
Speaker 3: And so it's not like that was you know, that
Speaker 3: can happen once and you can say that was an anomaly,
Speaker 3: But then when it happened a couple of times and
Speaker 3: then when it goes back to the other previous series,
Speaker 3: it's like this team has got some real resilience and
Speaker 3: some real spot to them, And it starts with Brunson
Speaker 3: because he's never afraid to take the shot. He's never
Speaker 3: afraid to put the ball in his hands. He's had
Speaker 3: some really good defenders on him too. I start Thompson
Speaker 3: while only young, very athletic, very fast, and you know,
Speaker 3: we've right up in Brunson's grill a lot. And then
Speaker 3: the Celtics have multiple guys they can throw it in,
Speaker 3: Jalen Brown and Derek White, you know, all those goes
Speaker 3: through holidays, another one, really good high quality defenders. But
Speaker 3: every time Brunson has a chance, he wants the ball
Speaker 3: in his hands. And sometimes he makes the right pass,
Speaker 3: sometimes he hits the right shot. He doesn't, you know,
Speaker 3: nail every shot. But I like the fact that he doesn't,
Speaker 3: you know, miss the shot, and then all of a
Speaker 3: sudden go into his shell. He won't be afraid of
Speaker 3: missing a shot. He just wants to take it because
Speaker 3: that's what they employ him to do. That's what he's
Speaker 3: paid to do. And he was a Clutch Player of
Speaker 3: the Year in the regular season and then he's gone
Speaker 3: on and proven that in the playoffs. So you know,
Speaker 3: this is why I'm sort of in this position now
Speaker 3: where I look at the Knicks and I think they
Speaker 3: haven't you know, they didn't get lucky in the playoffs.
Speaker 3: Now the Pistons, of course, weren't that experience. Then they
Speaker 3: had to go out and beat the defense champs on
Speaker 3: the road, and they did that so well. And now
Speaker 3: even if they get down big, it's like they've got
Speaker 3: guys who can get them back into it. Mcal Bridges
Speaker 3: his offense in the last quarters has been really good.
Speaker 3: Karl Anthony Towns has been, you know good most of
Speaker 3: the time. He's had a few down games, but they've
Speaker 3: got options, they've got weapons, and then when the game
Speaker 3: is there to be won, the ball goes into Bruntson's
Speaker 3: hands every time, and everyone on that team is confident
Speaker 3: he's going to make the right decision. So I think
Speaker 3: that comparison to Isaiah Thomas is actually very very good
Speaker 3: because they're about the same size. You know, they're tough,
Speaker 3: they're resilience, and now Brunton has got, you know, a
Speaker 3: catalog of big shots to sort of prove that he's
Speaker 3: up to the moment, So.
Speaker 1: Away from Jalen and even Kat for a moment, because
Speaker 1: I think it's safe to say more often than not
Speaker 1: those two. Certainly, Jalen's going to get his, and you
Speaker 1: know Kat has a complex and kind of varied history
Speaker 1: and big games is some good, some bad, and that's
Speaker 1: you know, I can't have the way goes. But the
Speaker 1: three headed monster on the wing, you know some of
Speaker 1: Cal Bridges who they traded five first round picks for
Speaker 1: Josh Art, who I kind of feel like is the
Speaker 1: heart beats I didn't even mean to do that of
Speaker 1: that team. And then you know og Is, even though
Speaker 1: you know at times the shot can get loose, he
Speaker 1: was so good against the Wings for the Celtics and
Speaker 1: the playoffs and has been one of the best perimeter
Speaker 1: defenders in the NBA all year long. So what do
Speaker 1: you make of what they need to get from those
Speaker 1: three against the pacer team that just has a bunch
Speaker 1: of pit bulls and they want to fight everybody.
Speaker 3: Well, they can all defend, like you mentioned there, they're
Speaker 3: all sort of Tom Thibodeau guys. You know, they know
Speaker 3: that they're expected to put in on the defensive end primarily,
Speaker 3: and they do that, but all of them can also
Speaker 3: hit those threes, which is really the modern game the
Speaker 3: way it is. You need to be able to shoot,
Speaker 3: and you need to be able to at least be
Speaker 3: relied on to knockdown some shots. Now, some games you
Speaker 3: might have Josh Hart gone for twenty five or thirty
Speaker 3: points sport og even Bridges can get that. It's usually
Speaker 3: not all three of them, but it's usually they almost
Speaker 3: rotate that around, which is again, it's great for the
Speaker 3: Knicks because they've got options and they know they're going
Speaker 3: to get it out mostly of one of those guys
Speaker 3: every game. Now, when I look at Bridges, I don't
Speaker 3: love his shot selection at times, and I don't love
Speaker 3: his shooting mechanics, but he's effective. And again he did
Speaker 3: that really well in fourth quarters against the Boston Celtics.
Speaker 3: So you know, I don't think the Knicks are super deep,
Speaker 3: but they've got by. If you throw in Mitchell, Robinson
Speaker 3: and deuci Guide, they've got seven players pretty much is
Speaker 3: the length of the rotation, but all of them go
Speaker 3: out there and contribute primarily on the defensive end. But
Speaker 3: McBride is not as good as those guys, but certainly
Speaker 3: Mitchell Robinson is as well, so everyone who plays, you know,
Speaker 3: you just sort of know that that's what Tom Tibodeau
Speaker 3: is looking for. Firstly, can you go out there and
Speaker 3: defend more than one position? And pretty much all of
Speaker 3: those guys can, so, you know, the Paces, this is
Speaker 3: a really interesting matchup because the Paces have got so
Speaker 3: many guys as well who can go and get their
Speaker 3: own bucket. You know, Pascal Siakham and Tyrese Haliburton. You know,
Speaker 3: Niece Smith's been shooting the ball really well from three,
Speaker 3: and then Myles Turner as well, he's going to the floor.
Speaker 3: So everyone's kind of got a good matchup. Everyone can
Speaker 3: kind of hurt each other. And that's why I think
Speaker 3: we're really set up for a great series here because
Speaker 3: it should be tough, it should be tight, but honestly,
Speaker 3: we should see some really good, high quality basketball because
Speaker 3: you're going to see defense from both ins. And I
Speaker 3: think that's the word I keep coming back to you
Speaker 3: because for so long when the Knicks stunk, they just
Speaker 3: look bad defensively, and I think now Tom Thibodeaux has
Speaker 3: finally got to that point where he's been able to
Speaker 3: implement his style and everyone's brought into it and everyone
Speaker 3: understands what their job is and now we're seeing the
Speaker 3: results of that.
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting. One more thing on the next,
Speaker 1: and I do want to ask you about the pacers specifically,
Speaker 1: because they deserve a lot of credit for what they've
Speaker 1: been doing. And you know, I've known Tom Thibodeau for
Speaker 1: a number of years. He was an assistant in New
Speaker 1: York for Jeff Van Gundy, and I certainly respect the man.
Speaker 1: But when you're up one hundred and ten to seventy
Speaker 1: four with five minutes left in the fourth, isn't it
Speaker 1: time to pull your players?
Speaker 3: Well, yes, that's the one area that I think care.
Speaker 3: And you know I've noticed because I've been at a
Speaker 3: lot of the Knicks games and here in the playoffs
Speaker 3: and in the regular season. I saw it too. When
Speaker 3: the Knicks are in Atlanta, Rip Brunson is often the
Speaker 3: guy who has to go up and say to him,
Speaker 3: come on, this is enough enough, because you know, it's
Speaker 3: the one stubborn trait that Tibbs has that he's still
Speaker 3: is very reluctant to give up. And that is to
Speaker 3: you know, basically acknowledge when a game is in hand,
Speaker 3: and you know, if you go back to last season
Speaker 3: in the playoffs, you know, Jalen Brunson broke down, and
Speaker 3: if you go back to when he's in the Chicago
Speaker 3: Bulls day, Joki Noah still talks about it on podcasts now,
Speaker 3: like those guys you know, got ran into the ground
Speaker 3: by Tibbs, and so I think he has loosened up
Speaker 3: a little over the years, but he still could improve
Speaker 3: on that. Because I was watching that the other night
Speaker 3: with the closeout game, and Tad was on the bench
Speaker 3: and they were up you know, shirt whatever it was,
Speaker 3: and he came back in and I was like, what
Speaker 3: are you doing. You're just playing with fire at this point.
Speaker 3: But fortunately everyone survived, and you know, by closing it
Speaker 3: out in six they've got an extra couple of days
Speaker 3: of rest. But yeah, it's one of those things that
Speaker 3: I think Gibbs still needs to really work on.
Speaker 1: So Lee, as you know, the Cleveland Cavaliers, led by
Speaker 1: our old buddy Donovan Mitchell, had a historic regular season
Speaker 1: and you know, the favorites to play in the Eastern
Speaker 1: Conference Finals were the Calves and the Celtics. We've already
Speaker 1: discussed the next beating Boston and I'm sure if you're
Speaker 1: a Cavs fan, you can lean into we weren't fully
Speaker 1: healthy Donovan go saw him after the second round once again,
Speaker 1: and of course it's not all his fault. When he
Speaker 1: is really cooking, he's as dynamic as any ball in
Speaker 1: hand offensive generator in the league. Now, I do think
Speaker 1: and I've always believed this because I saw it out
Speaker 1: here when Donovan tends to put blinders on and do
Speaker 1: his own thing, while it's really dynamic and very effective,
Speaker 1: I just I've never believed that's conducive to winning team
Speaker 1: basketball because other teammates kind of get a little bit
Speaker 1: in the mode where they're watching him do his thing
Speaker 1: and they're not boxing out, they're not playing defense the
Speaker 1: way they need to.
Speaker 2: I've always more of a fan of a.
Speaker 1: Team overall approach, but Indiana deserves a lot of credit.
Speaker 1: And I found it really interestingly after the final game
Speaker 1: to hear Kenny Atkinson just admit like they're a level
Speaker 1: ahead of us, they're better than we are right now.
Speaker 1: And Rick Carlisle echo like it was interesting to hear
Speaker 1: him say, we're just on fire. We're just we've got
Speaker 1: it clicking at the right time. So what stands out
Speaker 1: most to you about the way the Pacers beat the
Speaker 1: Calves and if you're a Cavs fan, what are you
Speaker 1: hoping for this offseason?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think with the Pacers, they kind of
Speaker 3: snuck up on pretty much everyone because they started off
Speaker 3: the season badly, and Tyrese Halliburton was bad and maybe
Speaker 3: there was a bit of an Olympic hangover for him.
Speaker 3: But I think we sort of thought we saw the
Speaker 3: Pacers in the conference finals last year they got swept,
Speaker 3: and the way they started this season was like, oh,
Speaker 3: maybe they aren't that good. But their record closing the
Speaker 3: season was forty two and fourteen, so they've been playing
Speaker 3: really well. But because the Celtics and the Caves and
Speaker 3: the Knicks were so far ahead of them, I think
Speaker 3: everyone just thought we go on Boston and Cleveland in
Speaker 3: the Eastern Conference finals here and didn't really give anyone
Speaker 3: else much of a chance. But you're right. I mean,
Speaker 3: Rick Carlyle, you know, he's a pretty good coach, and
Speaker 3: you know, he's a pretty consistent coach. He might not be,
Speaker 3: you know, the most charismatic coach out there, but he
Speaker 3: certainly gets guys to play to a high level. And
Speaker 3: that's what I noticed about the Pacers is once tyri
Speaker 3: Is Haliburton got to go, and because he wasn't an
Speaker 3: All Star this season, but he certainly picked his game
Speaker 3: up in the second half of the season. But also
Speaker 3: guys like Nemhard and Nie Smith, as I mentioned earlier,
Speaker 3: really really important role players. You know, they can hit
Speaker 3: those threes, you know, they play hard defense, they don't
Speaker 3: need the ball in their hands all that much. And
Speaker 3: then Pascal Siakam, who was an All Star this season,
Speaker 3: he was also fantastic in the second part. So Indiana
Speaker 3: had one of those seasons that was pretty much idea
Speaker 3: where people were overlooking you and dismissing him, and then
Speaker 3: they come into the playoffs and they cruise along, you know,
Speaker 3: and they beat the Bucks, who you know, Lillard obviously
Speaker 3: was banged up somewhat there, but even if he wasn't,
Speaker 3: I think the Pacers still win that series. And then yeah,
Speaker 3: the you know, it was called an upset because they
Speaker 3: took down the Cleveland Cattle is, but they beat the
Speaker 3: Cash three to one in the regular season, so it's
Speaker 3: probably not that much of an upset really. It was
Speaker 3: more just that the Pacers matched up well. There was
Speaker 3: some injury concerns of course there with the Cads, but
Speaker 3: I think that was really only for one game when MOBILEI,
Speaker 3: Hunter and Garland were out glad Mister first game though
Speaker 3: as well, But ultimately we saw, yeah, you know, Donovan
Speaker 3: is a great playoff performer. You know, he's had some
Speaker 3: huge moments, but he hasn't been able to turn those
Speaker 3: into playoff success. He's never gone past the second round,
Speaker 3: so there is something that's not quite working there that
Speaker 3: even if Donovan goes for forty I think he finished
Speaker 3: averaging forty one in that series, but what good is
Speaker 3: that if you're losing five games, you know. So the
Speaker 3: Cabs a really disappointing end to a very promising season
Speaker 3: and where they go in the off season from here now,
Speaker 3: I don't think they make too many changes because I
Speaker 3: think overall they probably just look back at what they
Speaker 3: did wrong and they think, Okay, you know, we need
Speaker 3: to sort of make some improved from within, because overall,
Speaker 3: I think they've got a good roster. Evan Mobley Defensive
Speaker 3: Player of the Year. Donovan, we've already talked about him,
Speaker 3: and Darius was an All Star this year. Jared Allen
Speaker 3: has been an All Star, you know, they're well balanced,
Speaker 3: they've got three point shooting. They picked up DeAndre Hunter
Speaker 3: for their six man at the trade deadline here, so
Speaker 3: that you know they've got all the pieces. Maybe it
Speaker 3: was just one of those seasons where you know, they
Speaker 3: were caught looking ahead a little bit and thought that
Speaker 3: they sort of leave their own height where it was like, hey,
Speaker 3: we're going straight back to the conference finals the year
Speaker 3: and you know, didn't really give the Paces the respect
Speaker 3: they deserve. Kenny Atkinson remember, Coach of the Year, well
Speaker 3: deserving as well. I mean he I thought I saw,
Speaker 3: you know, watching the Cavs this season, they were a
Speaker 3: lot like those Brooklyn Nets teams that Kenny Atkinson had, Remember,
Speaker 3: they were fun to watch. They really seemed to be
Speaker 3: all on the same page and cheering each other on.
Speaker 3: And it felt like, you know, the Cavs were on
Speaker 3: the path here to the conference finals before before sort
Speaker 3: of you know that they couldn't quite get it done
Speaker 3: there in the conference. Semi so very interesting season. Again,
Speaker 3: I don't think they'll decide to blow it up or
Speaker 3: anything like that. I think they'll just try to take
Speaker 3: care of business a little bit better next season, because
Speaker 3: overall a lot of their guys are under contract. I
Speaker 3: think they're a better team than they performed in the playoffs,
Speaker 3: and maybe sometimes a loss like this can actually help
Speaker 3: you in the future, so we'll find out. But you know,
Speaker 3: Indiana again, they the way they ended the season was
Speaker 3: just so impressive that they find themselves in this position.
Speaker 3: And I think, you know, a lot of people around
Speaker 3: the league may see this a surprise, but I don't
Speaker 3: think the Indiana Pacers themselves are all that surprise that
Speaker 3: they're in this position.
Speaker 1: Moving out this way, Lee, I was surprised to learn
Speaker 1: this morning when I was doing little reading a prep
Speaker 1: for the show, that the two best records in pro
Speaker 1: basketball since March first belonged to Oklahoma City, who has
Speaker 1: the best record, and then the Minnesota Timberwolves, who have
Speaker 1: the second best record. Let's start with the Minnesota side
Speaker 1: of things, and this is a team that's been together
Speaker 1: now for a few years, and they had a nice
Speaker 1: little playoff run last year. Of course, you need good
Speaker 1: fortune in the NBA playoffs, and you always hate injuries.
Speaker 1: It was a bumber to see Tatum go down, and
Speaker 1: nobody wants to watch Golden's stay without watching Stephen Curry.
Speaker 1: But Minnesota won't apologize. What do you make of their
Speaker 1: route to the Western Conference Finals? What stands out?
Speaker 3: Yeah, honestly a little bit like the Paces in that
Speaker 3: when they made that trade at the start of the
Speaker 3: season for Towns, you know, trading him away. I thought
Speaker 3: that was a bad move. I thought Towns has been there,
Speaker 3: they're finally having some success, and then they blow it up.
Speaker 3: I think for a weaker move in bringing Devincenzo and
Speaker 3: Julius Randall. But after that sluggish start, and remember they
Speaker 3: had to basically win on the last day of the
Speaker 3: season just to avoid the play in, they've really gotten
Speaker 3: them together and been super impressive. And I think Chris
Speaker 3: Finch deserves a lot of credit because he's got them
Speaker 3: playing at this high level where they were really convincing
Speaker 3: against the Warriors. Of course you mentioned no Steph Curry,
Speaker 3: but even still they lost that first came remember at
Speaker 3: home when Steph left early on, so there was more
Speaker 3: that pressure of expectation like, oh, you can't lose possibly
Speaker 3: now to the Warriors without Steph. And they went out
Speaker 3: and won the next four games. And Anthony Edwards, I mean,
Speaker 3: he's ready, he's ready for the hype. He loves being
Speaker 3: the center of attention, and he's gone out there and delivered.
Speaker 3: And so you know, last season against the Mavericks, I
Speaker 3: saw Anthony Edwards on a podcast somewhere basically just sort
Speaker 3: of shaking his head at what Luca was able to do.
Speaker 3: But you could sort of see that fight in the
Speaker 3: eyes of Edwards, in the way that he spoke was
Speaker 3: like he wasn't feeling sorry for himself. Instead he realized
Speaker 3: what it took to get to the next level. And
Speaker 3: so now he's back here and I think last season,
Speaker 3: of course, with Team USA in Paris, he showed, you know,
Speaker 3: he learned from those guys like Kevin Durant and like
Speaker 3: Steph and Lebron. Being around those guys really helped him
Speaker 3: understand how important it is to take care of your
Speaker 3: body and to be ready and to embrace those moments
Speaker 3: when they come. So, you know, really good stuff here
Speaker 3: from the Timberwolves. I mean, you guys of course know
Speaker 3: Rudy very well there in Utah as well. I mean,
Speaker 3: he has been excellent at time. You know, he sort
Speaker 3: of fluctuates a little bit, but when he's good, he's
Speaker 3: very very good. And you know, Rudy's he's been in
Speaker 3: the playoffs, like, he's an experienced veteran and he plays
Speaker 3: such a role and he's going to have a huge
Speaker 3: role in this series now against the Thunder because they
Speaker 3: have the big guys Chet, Holmgren and Hartenstein. So he's
Speaker 3: going to have his work cut out for him. But
Speaker 3: as we saw again against the Warriors, if you are
Speaker 3: able to really utilize Rudy on the offensive end, I
Speaker 3: think he grows even more on the defensive end and
Speaker 3: there'll be opportunities there for him. And you know, the
Speaker 3: Timberwolves are ready. I think they're in a really good spot.
Speaker 3: It's going to be a great series. I mean, obviously
Speaker 3: the Thunder have the best records, so they start at
Speaker 3: home and they were great, but they closed out their
Speaker 3: series only what two days ago? So does that favor
Speaker 3: you know, is rhythm more important than rest? Will find
Speaker 3: out because usually that's what the result of game one is.
Speaker 3: If the Thunder winners like see, you better to be
Speaker 3: a rhythm. If the Wolves winners like see an extra
Speaker 3: couple of days, rest always up. So there's no scientific
Speaker 3: proof of either aend, but it should be a fascinating
Speaker 3: game one either way.
Speaker 1: Makes you wonderly what a team would look like with Donovan, Mitchell,
Speaker 1: Rudy Gobert and their prime and a Mike Conley maybe
Speaker 1: and maybe a Joe Ingles.
Speaker 2: And it makes you wonder what that team would look like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does, it does. And you know, the Atlanta
Speaker 3: Hawks coach, Queen's Knight is a pretty good coach too,
Speaker 3: so I wonder how he would go with those sort
Speaker 3: of guys.
Speaker 2: Yes he is.
Speaker 1: And before I set you loose, I will take advantage
Speaker 1: of the space just to ask you about the Jazz
Speaker 1: because you know, ultimately it's tough to see any forward
Speaker 1: progress at this point, and this will be four years
Speaker 1: coming up since they made the decision to break that
Speaker 1: team down. We all gather around our television to watch
Speaker 1: the NBA Draft lottery and we all felt like we
Speaker 1: were punched in the gut when they fell to five.
Speaker 2: But what do you make of where we find ourselves
Speaker 2: around here?
Speaker 1: Before I set you loose with this rebuild that hasn't
Speaker 1: really brought a lot of hope to the fan base yet, Well,
Speaker 1: all I.
Speaker 3: Will say, and I'll just preface this by saying, I'm
Speaker 3: not a draft expert, but I've heard and from what
Speaker 3: I read and understand, it's a fairly deep draft, so
Speaker 3: I think you could still get a very good player
Speaker 3: there at number five, but obviously the sites were set
Speaker 3: much higher. I mean, when you have a guy like
Speaker 3: Cooper Flagg, who's been the number one pick all season,
Speaker 3: that's the sort of you know, franchise altering player that
Speaker 3: you would ultimately hope to get your hands on. Now
Speaker 3: he goes to the Dallas Public somehow. I don't know
Speaker 3: how that happened, but it did, and the Jazz fall back.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's taking a little bit longer. And you know, look,
Speaker 3: Dannie Angels is acquiring a lot of draft capital, so
Speaker 3: you expect to see some move here soon. But I
Speaker 3: know it's frustrating. I lived in Toronto for nine years,
Speaker 3: and when your team sort of, you know, year in,
Speaker 3: year out, feels like they're either rebuilding or they're you know,
Speaker 3: waiting for the next draft or the next season, it
Speaker 3: becomes pretty frustrating because it doesn't have to be like that.
Speaker 3: You know, things don't always necessarily turn around after one
Speaker 3: or two seasons, But when it gets up to that
Speaker 3: four and five mark, you just like, come on, man,
Speaker 3: do something here. We want to see some wins again.
Speaker 3: Here we don't want to be continually looking down the
Speaker 3: road at the next you know, two, three, four seasons away.
Speaker 3: So I get the frustration, but I will say, I
Speaker 3: mean Utah when they're playing well, it's it's one of
Speaker 3: the most fascinating home court advantages I think in the league.
Speaker 3: I talked to Quinn Snyder a lot about this this
Speaker 3: year when I was down at Horse Games, and you know,
Speaker 3: he said, like that home ground, that home court there
Speaker 3: was so important for you know, you know, securing home
Speaker 3: court in the in the playoffs, and so you know,
Speaker 3: he knows what it's like. And as a fan, I've
Speaker 3: never been to Utah, but I've seen it, and I
Speaker 3: think and I hope the Jazz fans that it's not
Speaker 3: too long before we see that environment again, because it
Speaker 3: is certainly one of the most exciting to watch for
Speaker 3: fans on TV.
Speaker 1: Got some good pickup hoops out here, Lee, you should
Speaker 1: make your way out of here before I set you loose.
Speaker 2: Tell all of our listeners where they can go find
Speaker 2: your work.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just on the socials. My name Lee ls L
Speaker 3: E I G H E L L I F I
Speaker 3: mean New York City. For these games, I'll be in
Speaker 3: Indiana for the for the entire series. I'll be where
Speaker 3: however long it goes. So if anyone is in New York,
Speaker 3: I may head up to rock A Park on Thursday
Speaker 3: to shoot around and have some fun up there, and
Speaker 3: then it happ in Indiana the same thing. I'll I'll
Speaker 3: looking for a few outdoor courts to play on while
Speaker 3: I'm out there, So hopefully if there's any fans listening,
Speaker 3: they can hit me up and we'll connect and have
Speaker 3: some fun.
Speaker 2: Thank you, sir, always a pleasure, save travels and we'll
Speaker 2: do it again anytime.
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me. Spence.
Speaker 2: The Great Lee ellis one of the nice guys in
Speaker 2: this business. I always appreciate his time.
Speaker 1: We're going to bring in Tim McMahon coming up on
Speaker 1: the other side, but before we catch a break, we
Speaker 1: welcome in my guy Corey from Courtland Roofing once again.
Speaker 2: Corey, Happy Tuesday man. How you doing Yeah, I'm doing great.
Speaker 4: How are you, Spence?
Speaker 2: I'm well.
Speaker 1: So give us a little background on your company. Let's
Speaker 1: start there. Tell us about Courtland Roofing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so, Cortland Roofing. We've been around for over twenty years.
Speaker 4: We're family owned and operated we're here local, we're licensed
Speaker 4: and insured, we employ our own crews, and so that's
Speaker 4: a little bit about us.
Speaker 2: Well, I was thinking about this during the break.
Speaker 1: It's nice today, it's about to get insanely hot. If
Speaker 1: somebody's out there questioning whether or not they need their
Speaker 1: roof replaced, why is it important to do this before
Speaker 1: we're dealing with the summer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so obviously you want to nip it in the
Speaker 4: bud right now. Where if you do have some roofing damage,
Speaker 4: or if you notice some shingles missing or shingles in
Speaker 4: the yard, you want to get us out there to
Speaker 4: take a look and to inspect the roof because obviously
Speaker 4: the next problem is the roof leaking it going into
Speaker 4: the house, and that's really where the price tag goes up.
Speaker 4: So you know, do we offer free inspections and we'll
Speaker 4: come out do a free inspection, take a look at
Speaker 4: the roof, let you know how much life has left
Speaker 4: or if there is any type of damage. We can
Speaker 4: help you out with filing an insurance claim or just
Speaker 4: getting a repair done.
Speaker 1: I noticed that you only have five star Google reviews,
Speaker 1: so people obviously appreciate the way you go about your business.
Speaker 2: Because you have zero reviews that aren't sparkling.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, so don't take our word for it. Go
Speaker 4: to go google Courtland Roofing and take a look at
Speaker 4: our reviews. We have all five star reviews, which truly
Speaker 4: just shows that people want quality and they trust us
Speaker 4: and that we'll do a good job for them.
Speaker 2: All Right.
Speaker 1: Finally, Corey, one of my favorite things that I like
Speaker 1: to do for my listeners is save them a lot
Speaker 1: of money, which is where you come in. We've got
Speaker 1: a spring special going on, let's hear about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we got a killer deal going on right now.
Speaker 4: So there's a couple parts of this offer. The first
Speaker 4: is if if you need a new roof and we
Speaker 4: do the roof replacement, you get fifteen hundred dollars off
Speaker 4: that price. If you are in need of new rain gutters,
Speaker 4: we'll do We'll do free rank free seamless rain gutters
Speaker 4: for a new roof replacement as well.
Speaker 2: All right, there you go.
Speaker 1: So if you are questioning whether or not you need
Speaker 1: your roof replaced, you might as well call Courtland Roofing today.
Speaker 1: Get this done, because you're gonna save it grip of
Speaker 1: money and it's limited time. It's their Spring special, so
Speaker 1: here's the number. Pick up the phone and dial eight
Speaker 1: oh one six one five five five six zero. That's
Speaker 1: eight oh one six one five five five six zero
Speaker 1: eight oh one six one five five five six zero.
Speaker 2: Also online at Cortland Roofing dot com