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<v Speaker 1>Here's your Channel nine weather. It's going to be dry

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<v Speaker 1>sixty nine. It's fifty eight degrees right now. Time for traffic.

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<v Speaker 2>slowed through the cut to an accident on eastbound Fort

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<v Speaker 2>Chuck Ingram on fifty five care seen the talksatock.

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<v Speaker 1>Krc DE talk station. Very happy Wednesday too, Donald and

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<v Speaker 1>Neil Americans for Prosperity can give us the info and

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<v Speaker 1>low down on Ohio's energy bill which apparently is coming

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<v Speaker 1>up for a vote. Dona, what's the story on this one?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, you know, we've had for a number of years,

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<v Speaker 3>and I've been on your show talking about it. Brian,

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<v Speaker 3>the many, many bad ideas coming out of Columbus when

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<v Speaker 3>it comes to energy policy.

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<v Speaker 1>Continuing a theme bad ideas, anyway, go ahead, there you go.

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<v Speaker 3>But there's some good stuff on the horizon, right And

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<v Speaker 3>we missed something we had heard a lot from folks,

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<v Speaker 3>and we had actually released a study alongside the Buckeye

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<v Speaker 3>Institute earlier this year outlining better energy policy for Ohio.

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<v Speaker 3>The good news is today, yesterday the Senate voted out

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<v Speaker 3>of commenial send of the floor today a bill from

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<v Speaker 3>the House to increase energy generation here in the state,

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<v Speaker 3>eliminate subsidies and make it easier and more accessible to

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<v Speaker 3>the marketplace for both consumers and the way that the

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<v Speaker 3>energy distribution utilities make their their rates. That we pay

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<v Speaker 3>on our utility bills. Ideally that goes to the House

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<v Speaker 3>later today and we'll have this to the Governor's desk

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<v Speaker 3>here in the coming weeks assigned into law. It's the

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<v Speaker 3>biggest in twenty five years since the deregulation efforts of

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<v Speaker 3>the late nineties. One of the most free market piece

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<v Speaker 3>of legislation on energy policy the state has seen in

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<v Speaker 3>a quarter of a decade. And we're really excited to

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<v Speaker 3>see this thing follow through and move.

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<v Speaker 1>By the end of the day to day. Well kind

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<v Speaker 1>of to the chase. What does this mean for the

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<v Speaker 1>rate payers or what do you anticipate this will mean

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<v Speaker 1>for ratepayers?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, right out of the gate, we're going to eliminate

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<v Speaker 3>subsidies that you're paying on your bill eighty million dollars

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<v Speaker 3>according to the Manufacturers Association of State of Ohio, eighty

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<v Speaker 3>million dollars this year's forecasted if these subsidies remained in place,

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<v Speaker 3>that rate payers you and I Brian on our home

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<v Speaker 3>util bills would be paying in.

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<v Speaker 1>For what kind of what kind of activities, what subs

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<v Speaker 1>What is being subsidized.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's being subsidized. Are two coal plants, one in

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<v Speaker 3>the state of Ohio. I understand in the state of

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<v Speaker 3>Indiana that are held over from Cold War era that

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<v Speaker 3>we continue to subsidize through what's going as the OVX

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<v Speaker 3>subsidies that we're at the heart of the Hospital six scandal.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting, So a subsidy is something that that's that runs

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<v Speaker 1>along with obviously runs along with the money we pay

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<v Speaker 1>for the power generation. I mean, aren't we already paying

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<v Speaker 1>for the power generation? Why do they need to be subsidized?

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<v Speaker 1>And I guess how did this thing end up hanging

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<v Speaker 1>around for so many years and decades?

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<v Speaker 3>Actually, well, like a lot of pieces of energy, and

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<v Speaker 3>the way that energy policy has often been done right

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<v Speaker 3>is that we'll, you know, assettle, lawmakers will identify a

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<v Speaker 3>favored energy generation. Our friends in the left love wind

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<v Speaker 3>and solar, some of our friends on the right love

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<v Speaker 3>big nuclear and coal. And that what when I say

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<v Speaker 3>all that, right, I'm not slashing any one of those,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm slashing the idea that, hey, in order to do

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<v Speaker 3>energy policy, I have to do good for my friends

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<v Speaker 3>and the other guys be damned, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotcha.

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<v Speaker 3>In this case, what we're doing is saying, let's create

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<v Speaker 3>a fair market, let's not subsidize one favorite industry over

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<v Speaker 3>the other. Let's let the market decide and consumers will win.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. Now, I note in the notes that this

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<v Speaker 1>legislation will ensure market forces and not bureaucrats and utility

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<v Speaker 1>lawyers decide energy prices. That means there's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>some semblance of reality related to how much it costs

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<v Speaker 1>to generate the power to what we're going to be

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<v Speaker 3>That's right well, And part of what this does is

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<v Speaker 3>when we deregulated back in the late nineties, the idea

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<v Speaker 3>was is that the distribution utilities, the duke energy is

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<v Speaker 3>the first energy is the world AP's of the world

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<v Speaker 3>would go out to the market and build their service

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<v Speaker 3>offerings based around real world prices. But they failed to

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<v Speaker 3>do that because they're clever and they they're they're looking

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<v Speaker 3>out for their bottom line, and so they went out

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<v Speaker 3>and they started creating doing it in other ways and

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<v Speaker 3>working with the regulators to do that. This makes very

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<v Speaker 3>clear that the only way State of Ohio you can

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<v Speaker 3>determine energy prices is through market rate offers, market service offers.

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<v Speaker 3>And so what that's going to enable us to do,

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<v Speaker 3>right is really see the real price of energy and

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<v Speaker 3>what it's going to cost to get it delivered to

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<v Speaker 3>our homes, ensuring that again the market decides and consumers

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<v Speaker 3>win well.

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<v Speaker 1>And finally, I note that it's supposed to be it'll

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<v Speaker 1>speed up new energy generation in Ohio. And I'm one

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<v Speaker 1>of those big fans of modular nuclear plants, and I've

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<v Speaker 1>already talked with the veak Ramaswami about his perception of

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<v Speaker 1>nuclear and he embraces it wholeheartedly and believes that we

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<v Speaker 1>should be the number one, you know, a state in

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<v Speaker 1>the Union for modular nuclear because it provides consistent, reliable,

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<v Speaker 1>carbon free energy if people care about carbon. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know why we've always stood in the way of these

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<v Speaker 1>moving forward on this. Are we going to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to have that and will it be able to be

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<v Speaker 1>actually an achievable goal or is this just something that's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be put on paper and delayed for decades.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think that's the idea. One of the things here, right,

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<v Speaker 3>I think we've got to remember is there's a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of layers. You've got the state and then you've got

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<v Speaker 3>the federal government. Right that we've got to work through

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<v Speaker 3>on the state level. This solves that problem. We still

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<v Speaker 3>need the federal government in the Trump administration in Congress

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<v Speaker 3>to do some of its work to make sure that

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<v Speaker 3>we can approve things like like like these small modular

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<v Speaker 3>nuclear reactors and most importantly, improvem in a timely manner.

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<v Speaker 3>Here in Ohio. What I think we got that's going

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<v Speaker 3>for us on that front is they speed up the

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<v Speaker 3>power sighting board process. If you want to put a

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<v Speaker 3>small modular clear reactor in one of these identified brownfield zones,

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<v Speaker 3>they're going to be to get an answer on that

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<v Speaker 3>within forty five days. So you're waiting three years, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>forty five days the bureaucrats have to get you an

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<v Speaker 3>answer back. In other cases it's less than a year.

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<v Speaker 3>And so the legislature is making very clear you can't

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<v Speaker 3>slow walk new projects. You really get if this generation

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<v Speaker 3>is the application is complete and filed, you've got to

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<v Speaker 3>give these folks an answer, as well as lowering tangible

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<v Speaker 3>personal property taxes to make sure that you know, folks

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<v Speaker 3>are incentivized to build their energy projects here in Ohio,

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<v Speaker 3>not in other states. And so I think this sends

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<v Speaker 3>a big signal and makes all how a big bright

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<v Speaker 3>shining light and saying, hey, if we need if we're

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<v Speaker 3>going to need to solve our energy generation problem in

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<v Speaker 3>this country to handle the jobs we're trying to bring

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<v Speaker 3>back to this country. Ohio is the place to cite

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<v Speaker 3>your energy projects, and we're going to do it in

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<v Speaker 3>a free market manner that rewards puts consumers at the

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<v Speaker 3>top of the pyramid, not energy companies.

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<v Speaker 1>Well I like that, Okay, So forty five days to

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<v Speaker 1>approve it or deny it. Now, if they fail to

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<v Speaker 1>approve within forty five days and get provided answers, that

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<v Speaker 1>means it's automatically approved. Is it the default that that

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<v Speaker 1>will be approved? Because I know, in spite of the

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<v Speaker 1>rules and what are they're obligated to do, quite often

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<v Speaker 1>they ignore them. Maybe they're gonna have to run into

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<v Speaker 1>court to get a decision made. Or is there is

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<v Speaker 1>it built in there that it's just going to be

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<v Speaker 1>approved that they failed to do it in a timely fashion.

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<v Speaker 3>My understanding is that if the if the regulators fail

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<v Speaker 3>to act, the project will be defaulted to an approval.

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<v Speaker 2>Good.

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<v Speaker 3>So this keeps these things moving, and that's that's the idea.

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<v Speaker 3>And you think about things like the Keystone Excel pipeline, right,

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<v Speaker 3>that's constantly a topic of debate in national politics. The

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<v Speaker 3>problem there was you have one party in power for

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of years who slow walk it, and the

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<v Speaker 3>other who tries to get it done, and then they

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<v Speaker 3>slow walk. Their parties switch and they slow walk it.

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<v Speaker 3>We just need to make these decisions, Brian, so that

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<v Speaker 3>we can get energy, you know, energy generation onto the

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<v Speaker 3>grid and running oh other thing on the micro on

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<v Speaker 3>the small modular reactors behind the meter. So there's going

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<v Speaker 3>to be increased opportunities for folks like the big data

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<v Speaker 3>centers that are large consumers of energy to create their

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<v Speaker 3>own energy generation without putting taxpayers on the hook.

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<v Speaker 1>Good.

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<v Speaker 3>The other problem we see there is getting interconnected into PGM,

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<v Speaker 3>And so if we can speed up the ability for

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<v Speaker 3>data centers or other big users to generate their own energy,

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<v Speaker 3>they can get their energy online, get their jobs going,

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<v Speaker 3>get their production moving, and then figure out the interconnection

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<v Speaker 3>to PGM so the rest of the grid can access

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<v Speaker 3>that energy down the line. I think that's important again

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<v Speaker 3>to one protect rate payers and two speed up the

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<v Speaker 3>necessary generation of new energy we want in the state.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they have the demand. If they can be free

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<v Speaker 1>to generate that electricity, you know, the general population is

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<v Speaker 1>probably going to be able to glom onto that because

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<v Speaker 1>they don't need all electricity generated by a small nuclear reactor.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's sound policy right there, Donovan and Neil,

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<v Speaker 1>Americans for Prosperity. What is anything we can do to

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<v Speaker 1>help this process along? Or is it a foregone conclusion

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<v Speaker 1>at this point?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we're hoping it's a foregone conclusion, and that's rare, right,

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<v Speaker 3>Usually we're fighting bad ideas, but we believe this is

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<v Speaker 3>going to move through today. What we're gonna need listeners

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<v Speaker 3>to do is once this gets done later today, we're

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<v Speaker 3>gonna have a call to action to thank your lawmakers

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<v Speaker 3>because they've been up against a lot of heavy pressure

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<v Speaker 3>from the utilities. So we're gonna have folks reaching out

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<v Speaker 3>to thank lawmakers. I'll follow back up next time I'm

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<v Speaker 3>on the show and give folks that call to action.

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<v Speaker 1>If that's all right with you, No, that's wonderful. Praise

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<v Speaker 1>them when they're doing the right job, and give them

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<v Speaker 1>hell all the time when they're doing the wrong job,

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<v Speaker 1>because nine times out of ten it falls into the

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<v Speaker 1>latter category, which is why we have Americans for Prosperity.

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<v Speaker 1>Donald and Neil, keep up the great work. I'll look

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<v Speaker 1>forward to our conversation next week. My friend Brian always

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<v Speaker 1>Color Electric, heck yeah, Colin Electric, that's who I rely on.

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<v Speaker 1>I have for years and years. They'll do great work

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<v Speaker 1>for you, great customer service. You can't beat Color Electric

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<v Speaker 1>for all residential electric projects. They are the one to

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<v Speaker 1>when you do that customer services I mentioned is fantastic.

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<v Speaker 1>I always think of Lily. She's just an awesome electrician,

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<v Speaker 1>is a firecracker, keeping the crew in line, in in order.

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<v Speaker 1>They're all licensed obviously electricians, and of course cullen enjoys

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<v Speaker 1>an A plus with a better business bureau. You get

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<v Speaker 1>a ten year wiring warranty on anything they do for

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<v Speaker 1>you from an outlet installed, rewiring your entire house, getting

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<v Speaker 1>rid of the old knob and tube or aluminum wiring.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you got an electric project in your home,

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<v Speaker 1>So you had a solid retirement dream.

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