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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of You Were Wrong with

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Molly Hemingway, editor in chief of The Federalist and David Harsani,

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senior writer at The Washington Examiner. Just as a reminder,

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if you'd like to email the show, please do so

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at radio at the Federalist dot com. We love to

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hear from you. I haven't heard from you in a while, Molly,

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but I'm back to the week off. I got a

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lot of good feedback on last week with wonderful Mark Hemingway.

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Speaker 2: Is the best.

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Speaker 1: He is the best. We got a lot to cover

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this week, as usual, and I think we should start

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with the news broken by Fox that John Brennan and

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James Comey are under or have are under investigation by

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the federal government for their role I think specifically in

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propagating I guess the Russia collusion hoax. I you know,

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I I'm less secure in saying this about James Comy,

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but I'm fully secure in saying that I believe, and

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have believed for almost ten years now, that Brendan belongs

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in prison. I think he's one of the most corrupt

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high officials in American history, probably, but certainly, you know,

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in a long time.

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Speaker 2: You know, we've known for a long time that these

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are two of the bad actors in the Russia collusion hoax,

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which I do believe was one of the worst crimes

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perpetrated against the American people in its history, in our history.

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So but nothing's ever happened to any of them, and

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a lot of people are thinking that that will continue

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to be true, that just because an investigation has been opened,

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that nothing will happen. What I found interesting about out

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the story as reported by Fox, and I should just

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mention that Margot Cleveland and I were also trying to

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run down this story, although we were trying to run

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down the part not about Komy having an investigation opened

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on him, but Brennan. So the Fox story was very

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interesting to me because I didn't even know about the

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Komy part. And what I think is interesting is that

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people say, well, of course they should be investigated. Well,

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it's not so simple. You actually have to open an investigation.

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And in order to open an investigation, you have to

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have a predicate a reason for opening it. And so

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there were some clues in the story from Fox and

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also in my reporting that I thought were interesting, namely,

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the investigation is about a conspiracy, and the conspiracy, by

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the way, is ongoing. You still have people perpetrating the

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Russia collusion hoax as we speak, and having it being

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looking into the conspiracy. We know it's the conspiracy. We

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know that it involved a wide range of characters and people.

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Wasn't just Brennan, Clapper and Komi, but a whole sea

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of leakers and liars, and the Democrat Party higher ups,

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Hillary Clinton of course, paid for the Russia collusion hoax

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and then had it incepted into the intel community. We

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know that Obama was briefed that there was a Russia

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collusion hoax before any of us even had an inkling

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of it, in the summer of twenty sixteen, and then

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he asks the CIA to do that intelligence assessment verifying

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that there was Russia collusion. And there are a lot

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of players here, and it goes very high and it

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goes very low, and in order to investigate it properly,

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you need to open an investigation with the proper questions

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being asked. So I hope that instead of just saying

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did Brennan perger himself? You know when he testified in

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front of Congress on such and such date, that it

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looks much deeper at the issue of how very powerful

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and important people in our country's government perpetrated a known

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fraud against the American people with the goal of unseating

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a duly elected president. I mean, it's a high crime.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just want to interject that, yes, there's a

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conspiracy here that one or two people can't do this,

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but underlings will only act or we'll be in bold

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intact when they see that this former CIA director is involved.

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Do you know what I mean? Like it, I think

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the guilt like we already know from what we I

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don't know what they're investigating exactly, but we do know,

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and we shouldn't diminish that John Brennan lied to Congress, Like,

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for instance, he had said that he didn't include or

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care very much about the dossier, the Steele dossier. That's

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what he told Congress in like twenty seventeen or something.

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the CIA was very much opposed to having any reference

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or inclusion of the Steele dossier in the Intelligence Community assessment.

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But now we know that in emails that he literally

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pushed to have it included. My bottom line is that

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I believe that the information warrant seclusionist reports that is

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a blatant lie. That's not any you know, that's not

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even shaded or it can't be misunderstood. And he does

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this over and over again, so we already know he's

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a liar. We know that he told in the Muller

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Muellers forgot to pronounce it a orry interviews, he said

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that he was told there was no conspiracy and didn't

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believe there was any conspiracy, and yet when on TV

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day after day saying there was, now that I don't

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know if that's a criminal. I mean, it's corrupt. I

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know he's corrupt, but I mean, so I don't know.

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they're investigating? So there is already know about that? Or

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is there something we don't even know out there? Do

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Speaker 2: There are a couple issues. One would be that the

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thing you just mentioned that Brennan said to Congress, I

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believe happened in May of twenty twenty, which means that

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it is prior, it's past the five year statute of limitations.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay.

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Speaker 2: Now, he did testify to Congress again on a later

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date I think also in twenty twenty, that would still

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be within the Statute of Limitations. But to unravel what

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all went on, I mean, this crime was committed in

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twenty sixteen through twenty eighteen, that's all past the statute,

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except in so far as it's ongoing. His crimes are

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still being committed. So looking at the conspiracy enables them

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to have just much more leeway in what they're looking into,

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rather than something very specific prior to the Statute of Limitations,

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which would maybe not even work as an investigation. But

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and I want people to understand, because the people are

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so freaked out, like nobody has ever been held accountable

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for this horrific thing that happened, Like it's it's horrific,

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it's horrible. A majority of Democrats still believe the Russia

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colusion hoax, and elites still perpetuate it. It's a very

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bad thing that no one's been held accountable for. But

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in order to hold people accountable now, you have to

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be somewhat creative. I mean, even let's say they get

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all the goods on Brennan, a very bad actor, and

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they charge him in Washington, d C. Do you think

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that any jury in Washington, d C. No matter how

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egregious the crimes, no matter how definitive the proof, do

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you think any jury in Washington, d C. Would ever

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convict their guy Brennan.

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Speaker 1: It's very highly unlikely that he will ever be convicted

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of anything.

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Speaker 2: I agree, well, it is very unlikely, but it's it's

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for sure not going to happen in Washington, DC. So

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where you bring charges is going to be important to

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see if you can get a real jury, not a

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DC jury, which I just want to remind people convicted

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every single J sixer they saw within minutes, no matter

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how like, no matter what, no matter if it was

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a granny wandering in or if it was a violent rioter.

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Even the J six or sorry, even the Russia collusion

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hoaxers who were tried were quickly acquitted in both DC

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Speaker 1: So well, I mean, yeah, I know, I just would say,

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I mean, I don't know what will happen, how creative

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they can get convictions, Probably unlikely, but I would hope

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that we could tarnish because he deserves at his reputation

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for the historical record. I mean, for me, I just

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want people to know that he was one of the

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most corrupt people in the American government in a long time.

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any of this, this guy oversaw CII operation spying on

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the US, the legislative branch of the United States. When

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he was found out, I think it was forgot what

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senator it was, but it was over documents having to

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do with torture and so on. It doesn't really matter

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what the documents were about. He lied to the American public,

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he lied to the Senate. He never apologized, never had

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to publicly admit it. This was during Obama. He has

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been a bad actor for a long time. God knows

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what else he's done.

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Speaker 2: There's also the issue of if you look at how

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Democrats have used lawfair and hoaxes in the last ten years,

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I'm not sure people realize how destructive it is to

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the people that are targeted. So let's remember the Russia

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collusion hoax was entirely invented by the Hillary Clinton campaign.

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They funneled money, threw a law firm to pay for

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the dossier that was used to sort of legitimize this

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campaign talking point that Donald Trump was too close to Russia.

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It was one of the most successful and massive info

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ops in our country's history. And it was made up,

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completely made up. I mean, whether it's the tape from

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the hotel with the prostitutes part made up, or banks

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communicating with Trump made up, or high level Trump operatives

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secretly meeting in Prague with Russian officials. It was all

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just completely made up. And there was the Steele dossier,

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and there was another dossier that was fed through the

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State Department just to make sure and the amount of

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money spent investigating that. So they open up a criminal

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investigator accounter and intelligence investigation slash criminal investgation. Oh my gosh,

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I've forgotten all the details because it's been eight years.

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They open up an investigation into Trump kind of try

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to claim it's not into Trump, but it's obviously into Trump,

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and everyone within a million miles of Trump's orbit has

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to lawyer the heck up, spend tons of money on

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on lawyers on They have to be very careful about

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what they're doing. For years to people go to jail

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for unrelated things because once the FBI starts looking into you,

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you know, they can come after you for any number

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of reasons, they have to testify in front of Congress,

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they have to deal with the media. I mean, it's

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it was a nightmare. And then when Trump loses the

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twenty twenty election, every single Republican official up to and

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including Trump starts getting law faired within an inch of

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their lives again, lawyers, very expensive disbarments. Like it's just

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massive efforts. And what has happened to James Brennan and

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James Clapper? And do they all have the same name?

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Speaker 1: Nothing?

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Speaker 2: They're like getting paid by CNN to lie. CNN was

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like you lie, we lie. We would love to hire

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you as contributors. Please come, We'll give you lots of

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money to thank you for what you did to the country.

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They get book deals, they get like parades. It's just

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nothing has happened, no real investigation. You had Michael Horowitz,

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the corrupt Inspector General of the Department of Justice who

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recently left to become an inspector general elsewhere, supposedly do

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an investigation into the Russia collusion investigation gation, and he

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kind of was like, I mean, I guess, like we

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broke all the laws that DOJ going after it, but

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no worries. We'll do a light criminal referral of one lawyer,

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and then John Durham, special counsel, is supposed to look

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into things, dealing with a small staff, nobody working with

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him at DOJ, you know, to sort of make it

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go well, and trying everything in Virginia and DC again

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in very difficult circumstances. I'm not elated with how Durham

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ran the investigation, but it was also a difficult task.

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first time we're really going to look at it with

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an eye toward Oh yeah, I guess. I guess this

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criminal conspiracy, seditious criminal conspiracy is something that we shouldn't

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let happen. So I'm just glad the investigation will happen.

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Speaker 1: It'll be framed as a you know, as revenge and

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stuff like that, but if the evidence is there, I

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don't care. If it's for revenge, I don't care at all.

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But also just quick say that it was so crazy.

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but that was when we accelerated the corrosion of trust

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and media, you know, and the trust in high officials.

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you don't. Now no one believes anything. And I don't

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she said, hey, you don't want to piss off John Brennan.

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Do you remember this little thing? And because someone's I

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think Trump said something about him. So why wouldn't I

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want to piss off John Brennan? Why are you saying

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that he would use his power to hurt someone or

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that's exactly what she was saying. And that's exactly what

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Speaker 2: I mean, do you remember Chuck Schumer when Trump was

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questioning the integrity of certain parts of the Intel agencies,

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suggesting that they were doing things like the Russia collusion hoax,

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and Chuck Schumer's said, don't go after the Intel agencies.

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They have six ways from Sunday for going after you.

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Speaker 1: And they do. He's right, they do. And obviously those

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agencies and law enforcement have a kind of power over

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people that is very hard to check if they want

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to abuse it, and they did. I mean, like you say,

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James Clapper lie to Congress blatantly, and yet he's held

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he was held up as this like paragon of virtue

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and stuff on CNN or wherever the hell he was,

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you know, on every week. Comy is a little bit

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different these much more of a weasel, meaning like he

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just doesn't blaze. I don't understand what he's talking about

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half the time. It's just so opaque, but he is

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I don't think as clear cut a case unless we're

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missing something as Brennan and like Clapper, as far as

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line goes, I don't know, I could maybe my impression

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is wrong.

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Speaker 2: Well, the issue with Comy is that behind closed doors

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with the Gang of Eight, no what do you call

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the the eight intel people that you meet with when

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you're briefing just eight members of Congress for senators, four reps,

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he would always be quite honest that there was nothing

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going on with Russia collusion. He would walk out of

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those meetings, go in front of the cameras and say,

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involved with Russia Trump is, and we've gotten under a

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criminal investigation or whatever it is, you know, counterintelligence investigation.

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We're digging into it, and I can't really talk about

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all of the corruption of the Russians and Trump. You know,

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he would he would completely be honest with the members themselves,

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and then he would come out and give everyone credence

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to believe. Do you remember the time that Jake Tapper

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reported that James Comy was going to say that what

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Trump had said about so when Trump fired Komy, he

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said that Komy had told him three times that he

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was not a target of the investigation, I think, and

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Koma leaks to Tapper team Comey leaks to you know,

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Tapper that he's going to refute that, and then in

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the testimony he's like, yep, I did it three times.

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Three times I admitted that Trump was not the target

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of the investigation.

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Speaker 1: It was like there were like five bylines on that story.

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But yeah, I mean that was just I just remember

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constantly I was at the Federalist making lists of all

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the stories that turned out wrong. You know, remember CNN

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had that kind of ad campaign with this is an

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apple and this is a banana, you know, in meanwhile,

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like everything they were writing was wrong. They didn't even

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correct those stories. They update them in a way that

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undermines the entire thesis, you know, but then they pretend

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it's not a correction. I mean, it's one after the other.

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Speaker 2: And I think our favorite one about the claim that

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Donald Trump Junior had early access to Wiki leaks, and

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then it turned out that just A Rando had emailed

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a public listing of Wiki leaks to Donald Trump Junior's

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just like public email account. Story I think is still up.

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Speaker 1: Two anonymous intelligence officials gave Manu Raju and some other

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reporter is that his name the same exact wrong dates somehow,

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That's weird how that happened. Yeah, So I know, I

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was thinking a senior correspondent, now, it only gets you

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bigger jobs.

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Speaker 2: So I was mentioning that Margot and I were working

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on this story about a criminal investigation, like a criminal

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referral from John Ratcliffe, the CIA director, to the Department

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of Justice, and that it had been opened, that the

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investigation had been opened, and so then Fox reports it

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and I'm looking and I was thinking, you know, I'd

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like to write this ourselves, because we were working so

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hard on this story and we just hadn't quite gotten

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the level of sourcing that we needed to feel comfortable

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with running it. But I was joking that I would

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write one of those federalists has confirmed Fox News reporting,

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and Sean Davis was making fun of me for that.

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But we're not confirming their reporting. We're just saying we've

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found it out in our reporting too, but we haven't yet.

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We only have the not that I in any way

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doubt the story is true given what we know about it.

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But you don't just confirm reporting by talking to the

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same anonymous source that someone else did. And I will

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just say I know for enough from the story of

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Brooks that we were talking to different people.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, it'll be interesting to see how this unfolds,

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I mean, and for me, it's more the public record

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that matters. I want to know what happened. I think

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we basically know what happened, but I want to know

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who was involved, and I want their names tarnish. We'll see.

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very well much do, it was kind of like a

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spiraling of paranoia that went on where people lived in

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this bubble and thought that I think many people actually

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believe Donald Trump was a Manchurian candidate or some kind

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of spy. Remember Jonathan Chait's story where he said that,

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in actuality, Donald Trump had likely been a Russian asset

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since nineteen eighty seven. I feel a very similar, but

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in much smaller way, something like that going on right

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now on Twitter and in social media over this Epstein

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file stuff. I don't know if you've been following it.

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I know we both don't care very much in general

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about it. I would say if that's correct in any event, yesterday,

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I guess, or the other day Attorney General Pam Bondi

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said there was basically no Epstein list. It's hard for

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a lot of people to believe. I understand why we

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don't really trust officials anymore. The obsession I see on

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this online at least is incredible, especially among you know,

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so called MAGA influencers. I just don't think most people

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in America, most voters. I mean, maybe they have a

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passing curiosity over it because it's such a weird story,

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but I just don't think that they care very much.

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But I will say I think I think that in

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many ways the administration brought this on themselves. I mean,

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Bondi had that absolutely ridiculous bress engagement with all these

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so called influence. It's just my view some of the

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worst actors out there who had these binders and Epstein's

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Epstein files file one. I mean, the idea that this guy, listen,

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there's no debate. I think that this was a degenerate

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and a criminal. But the idea that there's some that

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there was some list out there that he kept of

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every criminal and all the things that went on is

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just completely a conspiracy theory. People don't work that way.

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And you know, and of course that you know that

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he was a foreign agent and all this. I mean,

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I just think it's it's it seems preposterous to me

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from the beginning, and a lot of people make a

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living these days, you know, monetizing social media hits talking

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about this kind of stuff, and I just think it's

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a really big distraction from a lot of important stuff

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that's going on.

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Speaker 2: Would okay, I thought we would agree much more than

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we do on this. First off, it's hard to blame

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people for thinking there's a list of Epstein clients. When

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the Attorney General of the United States said there was

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such a list, yeah, yeah, yeah, only to later not

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say it the I always feel badly about how much

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I dismissed claims from readers that there was a pedophile

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named Jeffrey Epstein who was trafficking girls with powerful people.

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You know, they would they would send the emails to me,

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and I'd be like, that's insane, this person's crazy. And

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then it turned out we turned out that's true. Right,

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We at least know in the case of Prince Andrew,

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that Jeffrey Epstein was taking high school girls, young girls.

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You know, what do we know for a fact, like

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drugging them, trafficking them, and preparing them.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that we know all that for effect. Honestly,

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I'm not saying that we don't know that there was

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something like that going on, But you know, yesterday I

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took like a semi deeper dive into it, and I

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was kind of surprised at how little we actually know

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about these things and how much has become just this lore.

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I'm not saying anyone's innocent there, trust me, this is

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whenever you talk about this, people just go bananas. I'm

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not saying that, saying we don't know, and we also

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accidentally he pled guilty.

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Speaker 2: He pled guilty to prostituting miners. Okay, okay, and then

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we have from a lot of people pictures of said

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miners with Prince Andrew, you know, and Prince Andrew was

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kind of written out of the royal family for his

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involvement with Jeffrey Epstein.

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Speaker 1: So we don't feel like we have one picture we

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have one picture of any of that. But go on, Yes,

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I'm not being pedantic here. I'm just saying that we're

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just accusing people of pad a few left and right

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because their names aren't some log being on a plane.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I get that. So I do

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not have the same level of interest in this story

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that many other people do. But I actually disagree with you,

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even on the part about the level of interest. Do

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you remember when he killed himself or was found dead

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in his prison cell. All over the country you were

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seeing people say or produce signage Epstein didn't kill himself.

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I mean, it became quite a popular meme to question

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the story from the Bureau of Prisons, because you know,

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he ends up dead in prison after everyone's been like,

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this guy is running a child sex trafficking ring, and

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then it turns out that the guards were asleep and

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the videotape to the hallway of his cell didn't work,

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and like, and people are like, there's no way that's true.

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I remember this part because I was on Fox News

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Tucker Win and I said I'd seen no evidence to

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conclude that he hadn't killed himself. Truly, to this day,

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the most email I have ever gotten from Fox viewers,

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and it was all angry. It was like, you think

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you're smart. I used to think you were smart, and

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you're stupid, Like, you know, how stupid do you have

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to believe? How stupid you have to be to believe

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he would kill himself. I'm not even saying he didn't

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like pay off the guards to let him kill himself.

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But it's not the craziest thing in the world that

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a guy who's facing federal charges of child sex trafficking

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might kill himself, right, Like, that's it's not the first

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time that's happened.

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Speaker 1: It's the most obvious thing that would happen in that case. Right.

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Speaker 2: People were angry about it, of course, So now I

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want to defend the people who aren't satisfied with the answers,

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because I actually am not satisfied with the answers too.

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My number one question is how did this school teach

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or become so wealthy. I don't know what the answer is,

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and I would just love any answer. He was a

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school teacher and then he owns an island and he's

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hobnobbing with some of the most powerful and wealthy people

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in the world. So that's one question. The second question

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is after he was convicted or plied guilty, pleaded guilty

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to the child sex trafficking, he's hanging out with a

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lot of powerful people after that. I think that's weird.

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I have had acquaintances who've done very bad things and

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it affects whether you publicly hang out with them or not. Right,

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and you still have all of these powerful people after that.

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They're still going. The flight logs still show that they're

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headed to the island and they're doing all this stuff,

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and it's like, why that's weird. These are powerful people,

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do they really need to be hanging out with Jeffrey

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Epstein child sex traffic. So I'm not saying that there

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aren't satisfactory answers to both of those questions. In fact,

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I bet there are, but we haven't gotten them.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm not an expert on it, but I think

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he made his money in the market, and that happens

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all the time. He pled to account of a soliciting

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prostitution and one from a minor. You know, it does

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not surprise me that someone who in two thousand and

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eight pled to those things would then continue to be

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to you know, have powerful people hang around him. I mean,

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there are a lot of bad people around who have

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a lot of money, who still can attract friends. You

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know what I mean? I mean, what are you saying?

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You say, you know, what does the what do answering

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those questions answer for you? Meaning like you think someone

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just gave him the money and then he's what blackmailing people.

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I mean, there's no evidence of any of the kind

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of conspiracy theories passed the idea that he was a

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degenerate and some rich people were degenerates and went to

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his island, right, I mean, what is I mean? I

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know a lot of these people talker types whatever, you know,

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that it's Mosad and they're manipulating the American government and

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00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,240
this and that. None of that. I mean, that's just

477
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,519
you know, into the rest.

478
00:28:16,319 --> 00:28:19,039
Speaker 2: Of the Yeah, I've talked with some people in the

479
00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:24,160
federal investigation area who say, first off, that he was

480
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:29,240
not spying for us, that they don't have, you know,

481
00:28:29,319 --> 00:28:33,559
solid information of spying for a different government. But that's

482
00:28:33,559 --> 00:28:35,920
not crazy to think that that might have been going on.

483
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,799
I mean, that's precisely how this kind of stuff works.

484
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,160
You take people who have you take shady people who

485
00:28:42,279 --> 00:28:44,799
have information on other people that could be used to

486
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,400
the advantage of a powerful interest, whether it's a moneyed

487
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,319
interest or a governmental interest, and you work together. I

488
00:28:51,359 --> 00:28:55,240
mean that's not unheard of. That's pretty common. So I

489
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:59,079
think sometimes people are claiming things are more conspiratorial than

490
00:28:59,079 --> 00:29:01,920
they are not. Everything adds up with this. Do I

491
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:07,480
think it's some grand, you know, massive conspiracy. I don't know,

492
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,039
could be. I haven't seen enough to go down that direction.

493
00:29:11,119 --> 00:29:13,680
And more than anything, unfortunately, I don't have the time

494
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,160
to dig deep into this. It's hard enough, like you

495
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,160
heard me forgetting details about the Russia colusion hoaks and

496
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,400
it's something that I know very well. I just there

497
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,119
are so many other people who have like a natural

498
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,960
interest in this that I just let them do the

499
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:27,680
work on.

500
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,759
Speaker 1: It, then, you know. I mean that's the problem. We

501
00:29:30,839 --> 00:29:33,440
don't get any And I think, by the way, the

502
00:29:33,759 --> 00:29:37,200
Epstein stories were a big part of kind of left

503
00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:39,880
wing media before Trump. You know, like Trump's on one

504
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,440
of the logs his wife, you know, is former. So

505
00:29:44,119 --> 00:29:46,960
it's both sides doing this with Epstein. But I think,

506
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,000
can I say this conspiratorial way of viewing the world

507
00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:53,799
these days? I just think it's accentuated in a really

508
00:29:53,839 --> 00:29:56,480
weird way, Like for instance, it was bonding. You know,

509
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,680
they did the same thing with JFK and RFK files.

510
00:29:58,680 --> 00:29:59,839
You know, it's going to be a big bomb show

511
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:01,839
with to finally find out what did we find out?

512
00:30:01,839 --> 00:30:06,759
We found out that one person killed, a Kami killed JFK,

513
00:30:07,119 --> 00:30:10,640
a Palestanding killed RFK, and Epstein killed himself. Why would

514
00:30:10,759 --> 00:30:13,960
the people cash Ptel and others in the government lie

515
00:30:14,079 --> 00:30:18,400
about Epstein killing himself. Why these are the people who

516
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,319
be went into government wanting to I think, wanting to

517
00:30:21,359 --> 00:30:21,960
see more.

518
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,319
Speaker 2: Okay, now, yeah, this actually gets to what I think

519
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:30,240
is a really big issue that enrages me. How stupid

520
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,799
do you have to be to believe that there's like

521
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,920
a file that gives all the answers for either of

522
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:42,319
these things? Oh, Jeffrey Epstein kept a file in his

523
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,640
file cabinet and said here are the clients and here's

524
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,000
what I'm blackmailing them on, or do you just have

525
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,279
or do you have a phone with contacts? And he

526
00:30:51,359 --> 00:30:53,519
kind of knew who he was working with, you know

527
00:30:53,559 --> 00:30:56,880
what I mean, Like, Nope, it's not like a James

528
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,319
Bond movie or whatever, where there's like, oh, here's the

529
00:30:59,359 --> 00:31:02,839
secret file. Ditto on the JFK thing. I'm at this

530
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,839
another area that I'm not at the same level on

531
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,200
with other people's level of devotion to the topic. Do

532
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,799
I think that the government was more involved in the

533
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:18,160
JFK thing than has been reported and also had a

534
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,440
little like here's how we did it file? No? Absolutely not.

535
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:27,039
Do I think the CIA, we're just talking about Brennan

536
00:31:28,039 --> 00:31:30,559
or any of its predecessors or the type of people

537
00:31:30,599 --> 00:31:32,160
to be like, we want to make sure we're being

538
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,559
really honest about all the operations were running. No, like,

539
00:31:35,799 --> 00:31:38,240
there's no file but answers everything. And then I want

540
00:31:38,279 --> 00:31:40,839
to say further that having said that, I actually do

541
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,359
think the JFK files were really interesting and I do

542
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:49,440
think they corroborate. You know, there's a whole you can't

543
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,480
just paint the people who are at the fringes of

544
00:31:51,559 --> 00:31:56,960
a conspiracy theory and say that everybody who has concerns

545
00:31:57,119 --> 00:32:00,799
or disagreement with an official government story is at that level.

546
00:32:01,599 --> 00:32:04,960
There are many legitimate people, people who worked on the

547
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:10,200
investigation in JFK, people who knew players involved, also just

548
00:32:10,319 --> 00:32:13,440
thoughtful researchers and analysts who have said things like that,

549
00:32:13,559 --> 00:32:18,440
you know, obviously the US government was tracking Lee Harvey Oswald.

550
00:32:18,599 --> 00:32:21,480
The files confirm that, you know, we knew.

551
00:32:21,359 --> 00:32:23,279
Speaker 1: That from the war and report on that's not that

552
00:32:23,319 --> 00:32:25,319
he literally I mean, sorry, I don't want to get

553
00:32:25,319 --> 00:32:26,559
into this too deeply, but go on.

554
00:32:26,759 --> 00:32:33,839
Speaker 2: Yes, but people expect too much from files. It's like

555
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:38,000
the Russia collusion hoax, the official files on that the

556
00:32:38,079 --> 00:32:41,720
story they tell is a complete lie. The official files

557
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,599
are about taking someone saying yeah, I heard Donald Trump

558
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,319
say the word dah once and writing it up as

559
00:32:48,319 --> 00:32:50,519
if Donald Trump is a Russian asset. What would it

560
00:32:50,559 --> 00:32:52,400
do to release those files? It would do nothing to

561
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,559
tell us about the Russia collusion hoax. Like the hoax

562
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,240
is not in the files, the conspiracy is not in

563
00:32:59,279 --> 00:33:04,079
the file. And do I don't even believe there's a

564
00:33:04,079 --> 00:33:08,440
big conspiracy, but I hate all the rhetoric around it,

565
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,599
like whether it's the people believing it or the people

566
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,920
supposedly debunking it. Like it's okay to say I think

567
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,720
there's something very fishy about Jeffrey Epstein. If you don't

568
00:33:18,759 --> 00:33:22,720
say that, I'm actually concerned because there's something very fishy

569
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,359
about the whole thing. What it is, I don't know.

570
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,839
Speaker 1: I think that people's first instinct these days, not all people,

571
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:34,160
many people is to read into things that are relatively obvious.

572
00:33:35,039 --> 00:33:36,960
Of course, he had a lot of money. There was

573
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,720
something fishy. He liked to be round powerful people, so

574
00:33:39,799 --> 00:33:42,599
you start thinking things. But this idea that like you

575
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,680
said that there's a list, but even the log everyone

576
00:33:44,759 --> 00:33:48,839
keeps throwing pictures of people's names on his plane logs

577
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,160
that first of all, that plane went all over the place.

578
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,640
People use it. I think they were incredibly poor judgment

579
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,079
in using it. By the way, but you think Bill

580
00:33:58,079 --> 00:34:01,559
Clinton doesn't hasn't used poor judgment his whole life. I

581
00:34:01,559 --> 00:34:03,720
think Bill Clinton would go to an island where they

582
00:34:03,759 --> 00:34:06,000
were young women because he's a degenerate and it has

583
00:34:06,079 --> 00:34:10,679
been always. But that doesn't mean that like Ivanka Trump,

584
00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:12,880
who was on a plane was going to that island,

585
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,840
or you know, a billion other people. I think I

586
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,880
forget what the number is. It's huge. I just think

587
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:23,039
people like to read into things more. We're not being

588
00:34:23,119 --> 00:34:25,760
rational anymore online, That's all I'm saying. And it creates

589
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:30,199
this bubble where people are constantly inflating the irrationality. And

590
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:31,960
this is how a lot of people make money because

591
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,599
it attracts hits and everything else and not.

592
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,199
Speaker 2: I want to agree with you on something else too,

593
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,440
which is you were too kind when you said that

594
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,079
you thought that Trump administration had not handled this well

595
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:49,880
polute debacle. Like I don't know Pamboni, I don't dislike

596
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:56,960
her or anything like that, but what happened there was unprofessional, immature, inappropriate.

597
00:34:58,679 --> 00:35:01,880
She kind of got if you saw the cabinet press conferent,

598
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,199
not press conference, but a cabinet meeting that was televised yesterday,

599
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,440
she kind of gave an explanation of her mess up,

600
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,159
and it seemed almost like the other cabinet members were

601
00:35:12,199 --> 00:35:17,159
just displeased. They're all doing great work enacting the agenda,

602
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,239
not having mess ups and not caring so much about

603
00:35:22,159 --> 00:35:23,920
press talp. I mean, not that they're not all on

604
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,719
the media, but they're I mean, they just it was

605
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,519
a huge embarrassing mess up that is well below the

606
00:35:28,559 --> 00:35:31,840
standard set by the second Trump administration. It was kind

607
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,079
of first administration level.

608
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 1: I mean mistake in the old days. I think someone

609
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,800
like her making this mistake, and it's kind of an

610
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,559
ongoing mistake. She talked about a client list, she had

611
00:35:44,559 --> 00:35:47,159
that dumb press conference. What was with those binders? We

612
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,320
never got even to the bottom of how stupid that is.

613
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,760
Bringing can I don't know what to call them con

614
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,119
artists into the White House to show that, by whatever

615
00:35:57,159 --> 00:35:59,559
it is, she should be fired, right, I mean, I

616
00:35:59,679 --> 00:36:04,480
I don't know that anyone else messing up this badly

617
00:36:04,519 --> 00:36:07,280
and undermining the administration really and making them look silly

618
00:36:07,639 --> 00:36:11,000
would survive very long. Especially you'd think Trump wouldn't allow it. Now.

619
00:36:11,039 --> 00:36:13,599
I don't know her, or maybe she's doing good work

620
00:36:13,599 --> 00:36:16,559
in other areas or not, but doesn't seem like she's

621
00:36:16,599 --> 00:36:20,159
been impressive at all compared to let me say, someone

622
00:36:20,159 --> 00:36:22,719
who I don't particularly love all the time, Marco Ruby,

623
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,559
Like that guy's just been incredibly impressive. I think he's

624
00:36:26,639 --> 00:36:29,679
always prepared, he always has a sharp answer for the press,

625
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,519
and I think he's actually better at this job than

626
00:36:33,559 --> 00:36:36,440
being a senator. Pam BONDI does not seem like she's

627
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:37,719
doing a good job to me at all.

628
00:36:38,119 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 2: And what's weird is she was pretty well regarded as

629
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,559
Attorney General of Florida. You know, she has the relevant

630
00:36:44,599 --> 00:36:45,920
experience you'd want for someone.

631
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 1: I mean, my question is, is someone I don't know,

632
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,159
Donald Trump, someone else saying, listen, we want you to

633
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,800
do this Epstein thing because we promised, you know, because

634
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,239
it's true. JD. Vance talked about it, Trump talked, was

635
00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:00,519
asked about it, even though they over state what Trump said.

636
00:37:00,519 --> 00:37:02,639
Trump Said's like, yeah, whatever you want to release it,

637
00:37:02,639 --> 00:37:06,119
I'll release it. He doesn't know that that file exists

638
00:37:06,199 --> 00:37:08,199
or not, or you know whatever people think that file

639
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:12,440
is supposed to be made up of. So I don't know,

640
00:37:12,519 --> 00:37:14,599
I mean, as someone telling her to do these things

641
00:37:14,639 --> 00:37:16,360
and she's just trying to make it work, you know,

642
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,400
that could be a factor in this. I don't who knows,

643
00:37:20,119 --> 00:37:20,519
I don't know.

644
00:37:20,599 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 2: But I also want to add one more thing about

645
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,719
believing too much in how files are going to show

646
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:31,639
you everything. We're talking about an FBI that does not

647
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:36,360
do a lot of things well, and the failure to

648
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:41,519
find helpful, clarifying information in the files could be because

649
00:37:41,519 --> 00:37:45,280
it's just impossible to have clarifying information about this man

650
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,880
and his operation. It's also possible that it was just

651
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,960
a very shoddy investigation by the FBI. Or heck, we

652
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,480
also learned in the last couple of months that the

653
00:37:54,519 --> 00:37:58,400
FBI puts things in secret hideaways that nobody can find

654
00:37:58,599 --> 00:38:02,119
or even search for, you know, in this separate like

655
00:38:02,159 --> 00:38:04,960
off the books file system. So there could be stuff

656
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,719
there like we don't even know at all, and.

657
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,519
Speaker 1: People people don't get though that That how these files

658
00:38:12,559 --> 00:38:16,440
often work, especially with CIA and other intelligence agencies. Not

659
00:38:16,559 --> 00:38:19,159
everything you write down is something you believe is true.

660
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:23,079
Sometimes you're theorizing. Sometimes you're throwing things out there. You

661
00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:25,559
want to make sure to interview everyone. You ask questions

662
00:38:25,559 --> 00:38:29,199
that aren't even you know that you don't believe are true.

663
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,159
You're trying to just suss out what's going on. There's

664
00:38:31,159 --> 00:38:33,400
all kinds of things that go on in investigation. But

665
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,840
then someone, you know, some online person gets their hand

666
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,679
on something. I don't want to gay key people, but

667
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:41,360
I do want someone who understands the issue to look

668
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,119
at files and they'll see a sentence that says something

669
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,159
like someone's theorizing, Oh maybe the Russians got to Kennedy

670
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,719
or whatever, and all of a sudden for them, that's

671
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,559
some kind of evidence, some kind of cover up, and

672
00:38:52,559 --> 00:38:54,960
that's how all these things bloom, you know. I mean,

673
00:38:55,519 --> 00:38:57,320
there's what is it called in Israel they have this,

674
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,960
where I'm sure other countries do. There's someone in intellig

675
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:04,199
agencies who's always just challenging what everyone says. That happens

676
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,719
as well. So I don't know that you know, so that.

677
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,079
Speaker 2: We've talked before about this book that Mark made me

678
00:39:09,119 --> 00:39:12,800
read last summer, called Chaos about the Manson Murders. Yeah,

679
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:13,519
did you read it?

680
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:15,599
Speaker 1: I have it, but I have not yet read it.

681
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 2: Well, it's an interesting story about the Manson murders, the investigation,

682
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:27,239
the reported history or the reported police investigation, the deficiencies

683
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:31,880
with that. But the subtitle actually mentions the CIA Chaos,

684
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,320
Charles Manson, the CIA and the secret history of the sixties.

685
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,039
And the guy who wrote the book it kind of

686
00:39:38,039 --> 00:39:43,159
recently had a renaissance last year. I guess Tom O'Neill.

687
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:49,280
He spent decades trying to unravel stuff about the Manson murders,

688
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,199
and at the end of the day he doesn't really

689
00:39:52,639 --> 00:39:58,239
he makes an absolutely air tight, excellent case that the

690
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,039
story as you know it is not true. But he

691
00:40:02,159 --> 00:40:04,079
has to admit at some point, like literally has to

692
00:40:04,079 --> 00:40:07,719
move on with his life that he doesn't have conclusive

693
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,920
answers about what was going on exactly with the Mansons.

694
00:40:11,199 --> 00:40:13,639
I mean, there is so much interesting detail, but it

695
00:40:13,679 --> 00:40:19,440
doesn't create like a prosecutable case for certain people. It

696
00:40:19,519 --> 00:40:22,280
is therefore one of the most honest books I think

697
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:26,159
about what it's like to investigate something. It can be

698
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,400
very frustrating. You have to hold on to threads that

699
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,320
may go nowhere until they do.

700
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 1: You have to.

701
00:40:32,559 --> 00:40:34,159
Speaker 2: You know, you might have what you think is a

702
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,679
very strong theory of the case and then it falls

703
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:43,840
apart conclusively and you're just heartbroken over it. Investigation takes time, energy,

704
00:40:44,199 --> 00:40:48,199
and prudence, and you're pointing out these people. They'll be like, see,

705
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,960
I told you, and it turns out it's just someone

706
00:40:51,039 --> 00:40:54,679
saying something that they heard from someone. It's not in

707
00:40:54,760 --> 00:41:00,159
any way, you know, operational. But I think I think

708
00:41:00,199 --> 00:41:01,639
the best way to handle this is just to take

709
00:41:01,679 --> 00:41:04,800
people you trust and follow their lead. You know, take

710
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,920
people who you've seen them do good investigative work. You

711
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,679
kind of trust them, and the other thing is a

712
00:41:09,679 --> 00:41:12,119
little bit hard. You do have to be a little

713
00:41:12,119 --> 00:41:15,519
bit crazy to be a good investigator. You have to

714
00:41:15,559 --> 00:41:18,159
like go in your mind into all these different places,

715
00:41:18,199 --> 00:41:20,719
you know, you have to kind of like test theories

716
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,599
and the type of people we're into that are going

717
00:41:24,639 --> 00:41:27,000
to be the type of thinkers that aren't always the

718
00:41:27,039 --> 00:41:28,400
most traditional.

719
00:41:29,519 --> 00:41:32,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. Even when you have two witnesses to

720
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:36,320
a crime, they'll have different understandings, So it's very difficult.

721
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,039
But the problem for me is when everyone or a

722
00:41:40,119 --> 00:41:43,280
large group of people are buying into some kind of

723
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:48,960
cartoonishly cinematic ending to it. Sometimes and most times, actually,

724
00:41:49,559 --> 00:41:52,960
I think that maybe the police over dramatize what goes on,

725
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,400
and it's actually quite boring what goes on, And most

726
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,760
of the time, the most obvious thing is what happened,

727
00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:00,119
and that's something we have to understand and live with.

728
00:42:00,199 --> 00:42:02,880
I've read books on the jfk assassination, a lot of them.

729
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,199
I spent too much time on it, and we're never

730
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,519
going to know everything. But I think the cartoonish cinematic

731
00:42:09,639 --> 00:42:13,400
version is probably incorrect, and the more boring version is

732
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,559
more or less correct. And I just want to say,

733
00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:18,880
like with other things, We have been bombarded with cultural depictions.

734
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,519
Think about Oliver Stone's JFK. We had stuff where where

735
00:42:22,519 --> 00:42:26,719
everyone's in on it, big business, Johnson, the Conservatives, Joan Burt, society,

736
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,320
you know, I mean, and that kind of like I

737
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,920
think people don't read enough actual history, and those things

738
00:42:32,039 --> 00:42:34,679
kind of form their understanding of history, which is not real.

739
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,920
It is not real anyway, I'm just ranting now. I

740
00:42:39,079 --> 00:42:39,400
liked it.

741
00:42:46,199 --> 00:42:49,599
Speaker 3: Why has the housing market absolutely tanked? The watched at

742
00:42:49,679 --> 00:42:52,639
on Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski. Every day Chris

743
00:42:52,639 --> 00:42:55,440
helps unpack the connection between politics and the economy and

744
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,880
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745
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:02,840
to buy a house? Market uncertain is everywhere, including AI tariffs?

746
00:43:03,079 --> 00:43:06,079
Is the Fed lowering interest rates? Don't expect the housing

747
00:43:06,079 --> 00:43:08,920
market to recover anytime soon. Whether it's happening in DC

748
00:43:09,079 --> 00:43:11,119
or down on Wall Street, it's affecting you financially.

749
00:43:11,159 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: Be informed.

750
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 3: Check out the Watchdot on Wall Street podcast with Chris

751
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:21,679
Markowski on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

752
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:28,199
Speaker 1: Can we talk about Benjamin Neataanna who was in town

753
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:34,239
meeting with Trump. I think they're talking mostly probably about

754
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,559
some kind of end to the Gaza thing. There are

755
00:43:36,599 --> 00:43:38,880
reports that they're going to be sort of some kind

756
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,000
of deal where four urb nations are going to administer.

757
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:43,599
I don't know if it's true or not that I

758
00:43:43,639 --> 00:43:46,960
read a report that they will administer Gaza strip and

759
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,840
govern it instead of the Israelis doing it. But what

760
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:56,960
I liked was Netagna, who uh trolling the whole international

761
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,320
community by nominating Donald Trump for a Nobel Peace Now.

762
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,159
I say trolling not because Donald Trump doesn't deserve it,

763
00:44:03,199 --> 00:44:07,400
but because most often a person who actually attains more

764
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:11,000
peace does not get the award. To diet a little research,

765
00:44:11,559 --> 00:44:15,320
four American presidents have won the Nobel Peace Prize. Three

766
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,519
of them are probably one of our three of our

767
00:44:18,559 --> 00:44:21,760
worst presidents. One I guess is debatable, but it's Teddy Roosevelt,

768
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:26,639
Woodrow Wilson, Jimmy Carter, and Barack Obama. Barack Obama famously

769
00:44:26,679 --> 00:44:31,119
won it it. He was nominated for it eleven or

770
00:44:31,159 --> 00:44:35,000
twelve days into his first term, which made me laugh

771
00:44:35,079 --> 00:44:39,159
because much of Obama's presidency was just like imbuing him

772
00:44:39,199 --> 00:44:41,480
with all your hopes and dreams but not actually seeing

773
00:44:41,519 --> 00:44:45,880
him do anything. And I thought about what I tried

774
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:51,920
to think about what was his most celebrated foreign policy accomplishment?

775
00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:55,760
And I would say that destabilizing Libya for no reason,

776
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,960
I think would be what is most remembered. Messing up Syria.

777
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,000
What else did they do trying to give you Iran

778
00:45:01,079 --> 00:45:06,480
a bomb, the Paris a corridor agreement or whatever, which

779
00:45:06,599 --> 00:45:09,159
was nothing and was overturned. See, he's literally one of

780
00:45:09,159 --> 00:45:12,880
the worst. Jimmy Carter obviously was I would say, the

781
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,960
worst ex president in history. Just loved every commed dictator

782
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:17,440
in the world.

783
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,119
Speaker 2: You would say that if you don't love North Korea

784
00:45:20,199 --> 00:45:21,239
having nuke.

785
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,039
Speaker 1: Or I have a list somewhere of every time he

786
00:45:25,079 --> 00:45:27,960
said something nice about a communist dictator, and there's like

787
00:45:28,119 --> 00:45:33,079
ten instances. He is the one who went and legitimized

788
00:45:33,119 --> 00:45:38,199
Hugo Chavez's reign in Venezuela more than one time. He

789
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,920
was a terrible person. He said, he had a fondness

790
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,400
for Yasir Arafat. He told us for decades he wanted

791
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:49,239
us treat Haramas like a legitimate government. Just a terrible person.

792
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,280
He want to know Abelt Prize, you know, so I

793
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,400
went through him. There are Nobel Prizes for good people.

794
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,760
Last or two years ago, they gave it to some

795
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:00,599
an activist. I wish I could remember her name. Iranian

796
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,000
champion of human rights who's and jail stuff. But when

797
00:46:03,039 --> 00:46:06,360
it comes to like political people, it's all about esthetics

798
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,840
and like you know, posture, it's not about results. Donald

799
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:13,800
Trump and Natagna, who deserve a Nobel Peace Prize. I mean,

800
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:18,400
I just quickly go through this. Hamas attacks right, Middle

801
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:22,800
East looks a certain way since then Hamas's weekend, Hesbaala

802
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:27,960
is gone, Lebanon may reportedly joined the Abraham Accords, Asada

803
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:32,199
is in Syria. Syria might join the Abraham Accords. Iran

804
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,440
doesn't have a nuclear program. I don't care what anyone

805
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,480
tells me right now. And this is all because of

806
00:46:37,559 --> 00:46:40,079
Netta Nayu first, but because Trump allowed him to do it.

807
00:46:40,119 --> 00:46:43,039
Biden did not allow him to do these things. Another

808
00:46:43,119 --> 00:46:46,639
quick thing, Trump the other day got NATO nations to

809
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:51,519
increase their spending to five percent of their military budget,

810
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,840
which is something Obama and every other president wanted to do. Now.

811
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:56,760
I have a lot of criticisms of Donald Trump, but

812
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:58,920
I think he's the best foreign policy president I can

813
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:03,079
think of since Reagan. Maybe, you know, going farther back

814
00:47:03,119 --> 00:47:04,800
than that, I just I just think he's done a

815
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,679
tremendous job and deserves a Nobel Peace Prize. Anyway, thank

816
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:10,719
you for hearing me out there. That's my Nobel Peace

817
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:11,880
Prize nomination speech.

818
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:17,639
Speaker 2: So I don't take the Nobel Peace Prize seriously because

819
00:47:17,639 --> 00:47:20,199
of Obama. There were lots of problems prior to that

820
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:21,159
and since then.

821
00:47:21,039 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: But yes there are fat one. You think that was

822
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:27,119
a problem.

823
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:31,320
Speaker 2: Well, at the time that kind of made sense, right.

824
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. He is the godfather of modern terrorism.

825
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:40,159
Speaker 2: He was then and when they signed the peace agreement.

826
00:47:42,039 --> 00:47:44,320
Speaker 1: Even at the time it was nothing. I mean, it

827
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,599
was just blown up within a few years into fat

828
00:47:46,599 --> 00:47:48,719
a start. If he never was going to accept the

829
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,320
Palestinian State agreement anyway, I don't argue about that. It

830
00:47:51,519 --> 00:47:52,559
should never have gotten one.

831
00:47:52,679 --> 00:47:55,599
Speaker 2: It's like aspirational, but based on at least something that

832
00:47:55,639 --> 00:47:56,280
had happened.

833
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: I think aspirational is a good word.

834
00:47:58,559 --> 00:48:02,119
Speaker 2: For it accords with Obama getting it just days after

835
00:48:02,159 --> 00:48:08,039
his inauguration. That so delegitimized the entire Nobel Peace Prize

836
00:48:08,039 --> 00:48:10,519
that I don't care about it anymore at all, except

837
00:48:10,559 --> 00:48:16,079
as an indicator of a bad person. And I like

838
00:48:16,119 --> 00:48:19,079
when you have clarifying moments. I remember waking up Mark

839
00:48:20,559 --> 00:48:22,760
that morning that the news came out that he had

840
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,679
been nominated or won. Did he win it really early?

841
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:27,320
I don't remember.

842
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: He was nominated early, so you're nominated, it's like until then,

843
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,639
what you've done from the nomination on. That was twelve

844
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:35,760
days after inauguration. They gave it to him later in

845
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:36,119
the year.

846
00:48:36,639 --> 00:48:40,199
Speaker 2: But when he won it, I woke Mark up and

847
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,000
I was like, guess who won the Nobel Peace Prize.

848
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,280
And he's like, no, you know, because you don't wake

849
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,199
someone up and do that. And I was like, no,

850
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,719
you have to guess, and he was by the time

851
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,559
he by the time I told him who it was,

852
00:48:52,639 --> 00:48:58,519
he was so angry. But it was so absurd and ludicrous,

853
00:48:58,679 --> 00:49:01,440
absolutely ludicrous that I don't care about anymore. So what

854
00:49:01,559 --> 00:49:06,840
is BB doing by nominating Trump? Nothing could hurt like

855
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,920
a legitimate effort to get Trump the Nobel Peace Prize

856
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,800
more probably than BB NETANYAHUO being the person to nominate him.

857
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:18,960
It is to me it was a little clumsy and silly.

858
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:25,000
It's a I don't know. It just seemed a little

859
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,880
too cute, like, oh, I have nominated you for a

860
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:32,239
Nobel Peace Prize. It's like believing what you hear, and

861
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,519
it might be true, but believing what you hear about

862
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,960
Trump being easily flattered and doing whatever easily flattered people,

863
00:49:39,159 --> 00:49:41,920
easily flattering people ask him to do.

864
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: Of course, that's what it is, but it was like

865
00:49:46,039 --> 00:49:46,719
it was unctious.

866
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 2: Here we're talking about real people, real wars, real.

867
00:49:49,679 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 1: Lives, loves that stuff. Trump loves that stuff though, right, That's.

868
00:49:53,679 --> 00:49:55,280
Speaker 2: What it seemed like. It was like there was a

869
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:57,360
meeting of people being like, oh, Trump will love this,

870
00:49:57,519 --> 00:50:02,119
Let's do this. It just is silly, well and inappropriate

871
00:50:02,119 --> 00:50:04,199
in a way too, like it's not a real thing,

872
00:50:04,199 --> 00:50:07,039
and so I don't love talking about it. But I

873
00:50:07,079 --> 00:50:10,039
wanted to just say something about Nan Yahoo being here.

874
00:50:11,079 --> 00:50:16,840
So I was able to meet with him. Oh gosh,

875
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:18,679
I don't remember what it was a few months ago

876
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,559
with other it. It was kind of an interesting meeting

877
00:50:22,519 --> 00:50:26,159
and it was quasi off the record, but it's been

878
00:50:26,199 --> 00:50:29,079
reported about and you're allowed to say that you were there.

879
00:50:29,599 --> 00:50:32,199
Speaker 1: Some of the people who are there are ridiculous. I'm sorry,

880
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,639
you're a serious person, and some of those people were ridiculous. Sorry,

881
00:50:35,679 --> 00:50:36,960
that is not at all.

882
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 2: What I'm saying. What I'm saying is it was two

883
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:42,880
different classes of people, reporters and then like influencers.

884
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,599
Speaker 1: I'm saying David Harsani is saying that the influencers, some

885
00:50:46,639 --> 00:50:48,719
of them were ridiculous, people should not have been there,

886
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:49,360
but go on, please.

887
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,559
Speaker 2: In my experience in the meeting, everyone was completely appropriate

888
00:50:52,599 --> 00:50:55,920
and asked good questions and stuff like that. But it's

889
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,920
just journalists do different things than influencers like that. You

890
00:50:59,039 --> 00:51:01,199
just you're it's just a different type of meetings. So

891
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,199
that was a little frustrating. But anyway, when he came

892
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:08,199
last time, I assumed that when you come to the

893
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,760
United States, like when you do a in person meeting,

894
00:51:12,559 --> 00:51:15,679
it's because you need an in person meeting, that you

895
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:19,119
do not trust anything other than an in person meeting.

896
00:51:19,679 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 1: And at that time, explain that, what do you mean?

897
00:51:23,559 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 2: I guess what I'm saying is at that time, we'd

898
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:31,079
already moved some of our ships into the region Israel

899
00:51:31,199 --> 00:51:33,280
was talking about, was beginning to talk a little bit

900
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,679
more about Iran. They'd taken care of they'd taken most

901
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,599
care of the Gaza strip, they had taken care of

902
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,519
the problems to the north his Bola, and it was

903
00:51:43,559 --> 00:51:46,760
like Okay, Well, Iran was really behind this October seventh attack,

904
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:48,800
so that's going to be next. So in my mind,

905
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:52,400
I'm like, he's coming to tell Trump he's he's going

906
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:57,639
in and he wants his support and so as has

907
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:00,719
previously been reported. That's what I asked about, kind of

908
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:02,480
like what are you doing? What's what's going on in

909
00:52:02,559 --> 00:52:04,079
terms of what are you trying to get from the

910
00:52:04,159 --> 00:52:07,599
US here? So when he comes again, I'm like, oh, okay,

911
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,599
so what's next, Like he's trying to do another round

912
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:14,679
of this? Is it with Iran? Is it about finishing

913
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:16,519
the Gaza strip thing? Is it about like a long

914
00:52:16,639 --> 00:52:19,599
term accord. It's just clear that Boebe does not trust

915
00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:23,039
communications that are not like in person like that.

916
00:52:24,079 --> 00:52:30,119
Speaker 1: I suspect this was about Abraham accord stuff and Gaza

917
00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:33,159
reconstruction stuff. But who knows. Maybe he's going to attack

918
00:52:33,159 --> 00:52:34,960
Turkey tomorrow. I don't know Israel is going to do

919
00:52:35,039 --> 00:52:41,360
it stuff. Yeah, I actually I think I've said this before.

920
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:46,400
People misunder misunderstand Nataigne who he is not as hawkish

921
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:51,800
as people think he's. He's far more careful and anyway, but.

922
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:56,519
Speaker 2: Oh I cannot I still cannot wait to read the

923
00:52:56,559 --> 00:52:58,960
books like I hope that they start coming out in

924
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,159
a couple of years about out everything. How do you mean,

925
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:07,559
I want to read more about the Beeper operation. I

926
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:09,760
mostly the Beeper operation. I just think that was like

927
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:14,159
so impressive. Also the embedding people in Iran. I find

928
00:53:14,159 --> 00:53:16,239
stuff like that super interesting. And I just can't wait

929
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,599
to like get some substantiation for some of the claims

930
00:53:19,599 --> 00:53:21,199
that have been out there or not, you know, just

931
00:53:21,199 --> 00:53:22,199
find out what happened.

932
00:53:23,199 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean sometimes I was a few years ago

933
00:53:26,519 --> 00:53:28,480
working on a story from a long time ago about

934
00:53:28,519 --> 00:53:32,079
some Mosad spy ring thing that happened in the fifties,

935
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,039
and they still haven't released, you know, all the information

936
00:53:35,199 --> 00:53:38,920
about it. So you know, it might it might never happen.

937
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:42,159
I don't know Israel. Israel relies more heavily on that

938
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,440
sort of thing than I think any country does, just

939
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:45,480
because of its size.

940
00:53:45,639 --> 00:53:48,079
Speaker 2: Okay, I do want to say about what you just said.

941
00:53:48,559 --> 00:53:53,360
There are people in the administration who are less focused

942
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,639
on Israel than Bibi. Was that what you were saying,

943
00:53:55,679 --> 00:53:58,320
that they don't everything BB wants to do. I should

944
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:02,280
hope so, because no, for not his true.

945
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,320
Speaker 1: But I mean, we have a policy in regards to Israel.

946
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And that's what I'm talking about where I think that

947
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people there are some people were more skeptical who I

948
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just don't think would have signed off, for instance, if

949
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they were president, on the bombing of the nuclear reactors.

950
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I don't, you know. I just think they're non interventionists.

951
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,039
They don't want to be part of that sort of thing.

952
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They think there's blowback involved, et cetera, et cetera. And

953
00:54:25,159 --> 00:54:27,000
that's a good debate to have, for sure. I'm not

954
00:54:27,039 --> 00:54:30,480
saying that they're not have that debate, but I.

955
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Speaker 2: Did kind of want to talk about that issue, just

956
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,519
even though we weren't planning on I was thinking about

957
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it about my concerns when we first started talking about

958
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:46,360
about bombing Iran, and I think we did a podcast

959
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:48,280
where I said I was going to anger everybody on

960
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both sides, and I'm pretty sure I achieved that, Like

961
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I was too much in the mushy middle for a

962
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:59,920
lot of people, meaning I did think that there's a

963
00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:05,440
definite case that Iran cannot have nuclear weapons and that

964
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,599
it's in our interest to make sure that they can't.

965
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And also I was like pretty terrified obviously that we

966
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were going to have like every other time we do

967
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something big like this, an entrance into an intractable war.

968
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:26,079
And I just want to say I am obviously quite

969
00:55:26,079 --> 00:55:31,440
pleased with how it went right, right like we did it,

970
00:55:31,519 --> 00:55:35,320
we got out. It's what I always say. I wanted

971
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to do an Afghanistan right, just carpet bomb and then

972
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,599
come back without without landing the plane. That's literally what

973
00:55:42,679 --> 00:55:49,599
we did. We bombed and came back without landing the plane.

974
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:54,119
But and I think, Okay, of course, you know how

975
00:55:54,159 --> 00:55:56,760
Trump is, you know what he says. You know that

976
00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:00,960
he's not like a neo con interventionist. You should just

977
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:05,000
trust him. And so was I wrong to be like, no,

978
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:10,480
don't do a footprint war. I don't know. Maybe, but I,

979
00:56:10,599 --> 00:56:13,760
whatever the case is, I am pleased with how it's gone. Now.

980
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:17,079
If ya who was like, no, really, we've got to

981
00:56:17,119 --> 00:56:19,440
do a much bigger thing here, and here's why you

982
00:56:19,559 --> 00:56:21,280
have to be the one to do it, you know,

983
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:23,920
then I'll look foolish again for thinking that it wasn't

984
00:56:24,159 --> 00:56:27,079
that we could do this without getting super involved. But

985
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:34,199
there's a difference between people who are worried about how

986
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:38,440
neocons destroy almost everything that they touch and people who

987
00:56:38,519 --> 00:56:43,039
are you know, non interventionists like you can support intervention

988
00:56:43,199 --> 00:56:45,719
and still oppose the Neokon approach.

989
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I don't know. I don't view foreign

990
00:56:49,119 --> 00:56:51,360
policy like that. I don't think it's ideological in that way.

991
00:56:51,559 --> 00:56:54,239
I'm reading a book by Andrew Roberts about World War Two,

992
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,280
for instance. Right, So the fight against Japan, we had

993
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,079
to be interventionist or you would have had to come

994
00:56:59,119 --> 00:57:01,800
back and fight another world again. And that's why we

995
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:03,800
did what we did and it worked out actually, and

996
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:05,840
it didn't work out well because it's terrible war we

997
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:09,119
didn't start, but it worked. The postwar years with Japan

998
00:57:09,159 --> 00:57:12,639
turned out well. But any run, we have no reason

999
00:57:12,679 --> 00:57:14,480
to do that. Donald Trump never said we were going

1000
00:57:14,519 --> 00:57:16,880
to do that. There was really no will to do

1001
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:20,800
that in the public and what we did, David, there

1002
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,760
is no will to put boots on the ground and

1003
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regime change by our force Iran. There is none, Okay,

1004
00:57:29,159 --> 00:57:32,360
And that is just a fantasy created by isolationists at

1005
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:35,880
the American Conservative and talker. There was no will for.

1006
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:37,119
Speaker 2: That, David. That's insane.

1007
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 1: No, it's not.

1008
00:57:38,679 --> 00:57:44,719
Speaker 2: But go on, take the story of the Ukraine War, right, Yeah,

1009
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:48,440
we were told that we will support Ukraine and we

1010
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,639
can take care of Russia in short order. We are

1011
00:57:51,719 --> 00:57:52,239
in year.

1012
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: No one said that. No one said we could take.

1013
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 2: The Wall Street Journal in New York Post which had

1014
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,039
a flag of Ukraine on its cover.

1015
00:58:01,119 --> 00:58:02,519
Speaker 1: By the way, fine, that's the different.

1016
00:58:02,519 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 2: So Ukraine is on the march, Ukraine is doing great,

1017
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:08,360
Ukraine is defeating Russia. We're bleeding Russia dry. And then

1018
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:10,079
like all of a sudden, I'm sorry, are we in

1019
00:58:10,159 --> 00:58:12,639
your We're in near four of that war, right.

1020
00:58:13,079 --> 00:58:15,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, But the other side was saying that that Ukraine

1021
00:58:15,639 --> 00:58:18,159
can't stand up to Russia. It's not worth helping them.

1022
00:58:18,199 --> 00:58:20,039
We need to just make a deal this and that,

1023
00:58:20,119 --> 00:58:22,400
and Ukrainians have a right to fight for themselves, and

1024
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:24,360
we help them, and they are doing a relatively good

1025
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,800
job in general, you know, as far as war goes.

1026
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:30,519
So both sides are propagandists on this. Look.

1027
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:33,239
Speaker 2: You were saying, there's like no reason why anyone would

1028
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:36,639
worry about a longer term commitment than a single day

1029
00:58:36,679 --> 00:58:37,239
of bombing.

1030
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 1: No, you're changing what I said. I said that there

1031
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:43,360
is no public will, and Donald Trump never said, and

1032
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,360
no one other than some fringe voices ever said that

1033
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:48,320
we were going to put boots on the ground in Iran.

1034
00:58:48,639 --> 00:58:52,079
There was That was just a scare mongering effort on

1035
00:58:52,119 --> 00:58:53,719
the right of isolationists.

1036
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 2: Hillis David.

1037
00:58:54,519 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 1: That's not Nami the person who said we're landing boots

1038
00:58:57,039 --> 00:58:58,039
on the ground to change what.

1039
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:01,079
Speaker 2: I'm saying, is that to call it scare You know,

1040
00:59:01,159 --> 00:59:03,679
we have people in Ukraine. We don't we claim that

1041
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:06,239
somehow there are people, but they're in like they're in

1042
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:11,880
like ankle boots instead of full boots. So once you're

1043
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:13,280
sorry you had.

1044
00:59:13,159 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 1: To stop because you said something naughty but gone.

1045
00:59:17,519 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 2: But once the nose of the camel is into the tent,

1046
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:25,480
all of a sudden, you get years of conflict, massive

1047
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:30,320
amounts of funding, like massive amounts of funding, treasure attention.

1048
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:34,199
You get attention in places that aren't in the best

1049
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:38,400
national interest. You know, there there is nothing but precedent

1050
00:59:38,719 --> 00:59:43,960
for not trusting the warmongers to keep their word that

1051
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:45,719
they that they don't want this to take long.

1052
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 1: Let me can I quickly say I don't actually like

1053
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:51,119
this argument, Well I should just trust Donald Trump. No,

1054
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:53,760
we don't trust politicians. They make mistakes. Even if Donald

1055
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,440
Trump is great and has been great, he can make

1056
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:58,840
a mistake. He can get us into a quagmire. We

1057
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:02,360
shouldn't think about it that way. Like I see people

1058
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:05,880
change their position on Iran because of whatever Donald Trump's doing.

1059
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:09,159
You should not be doing that. But every war is

1060
01:00:09,199 --> 01:00:12,559
also different. Ukraine is not Iran. We have different interests.

1061
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,960
I think we have a much stronger interest in ensuring

1062
01:00:16,039 --> 01:00:18,599
that Iran doesn't have nuclear weapons than I do worrying

1063
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:22,280
about the eastern provinces of Ukraine. You know what I mean.

1064
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,760
I think it's a different Historically, it's different. There's different, Oh,

1065
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:28,239
just involved and all of that. So I want to

1066
01:00:28,239 --> 01:00:31,360
talk about them separately. And I'm just saying that there

1067
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:34,719
was the idea that Iran was this nation that could

1068
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,159
pull us into a world war, that China and Russia

1069
01:00:37,159 --> 01:00:40,960
were coming in. It was just never true. And we

1070
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:44,239
did a very surgical I know, we use these giant bums,

1071
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:46,320
but in many sense, in one sense, it was a

1072
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:53,199
very surgical strike on Iran to achieve a very specific mission, right,

1073
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:56,519
and we did that. And you know, so I don't

1074
01:00:56,559 --> 01:00:58,480
understand what we get to say that Neo kons were

1075
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:00,280
wrong about all this stuff. But we never get to

1076
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:03,760
say that the isolation is scare mongers were wrong about

1077
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:09,119
Iran in every way. Tucker Carlson was away at all. Yeah,

1078
01:01:09,119 --> 01:01:11,639
all right, so you I'm talking about you then, so

1079
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:13,960
you say, oh, they have a right to be worried,

1080
01:01:14,519 --> 01:01:15,880
but I don't have a right to point out that

1081
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:17,960
they were wrong about everything. I pointed out that I

1082
01:01:18,039 --> 01:01:20,960
was wrong about Iraq and this. You know, I changed

1083
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,039
my mind pretty quickly, but I was wrong and these

1084
01:01:23,039 --> 01:01:25,800
people were wrong about Iran. So far, We'll see what happens.

1085
01:01:26,039 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think also some of them were saying

1086
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:34,440
stuff like, if we bomb within minutes, it will be,

1087
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:40,199
you know, a catastrophic response. People should just be more

1088
01:01:40,239 --> 01:01:43,400
prudent in how they talk about it. It's possible that

1089
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:46,039
this will turn It is totally possible that striking Ron

1090
01:01:46,119 --> 01:01:48,639
in this manner will turn out to have had some

1091
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:50,920
long term effects that are bad that have not been

1092
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:53,480
put into the calculation. I am totally open to that.

1093
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:56,480
But when you say things like the moment we do this,

1094
01:01:57,239 --> 01:02:00,800
everything changes, or the moment we do this immediately this

1095
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:03,519
will be the response just seems unwise.

1096
01:02:04,239 --> 01:02:09,159
Speaker 1: I also just you know, tying it into our earlier conversation.

1097
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:14,079
This brings about peace because people I believe at least

1098
01:02:14,079 --> 01:02:16,360
other rogue nations whatever are going to take America a

1099
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:17,239
little more seriously.

1100
01:02:17,639 --> 01:02:20,519
Speaker 2: Yes, it is actually a better way to preserve life

1101
01:02:20,519 --> 01:02:23,440
sometimes to do this type of very strong strike. It's like,

1102
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:26,440
don't mess around. We are not joking, We're quite serious.

1103
01:02:26,599 --> 01:02:29,039
Speaker 1: So Donald Trump, I mean, Donald Trump says a lot

1104
01:02:29,079 --> 01:02:31,079
of stuff, right, but if Donald Trump says sixty days

1105
01:02:31,119 --> 01:02:34,360
to do something, do it. I'm sick of this bs

1106
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:37,280
where this moral relativism, where we treat the United States

1107
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:39,559
like it's just some other country. We're not. I'm not

1108
01:02:39,599 --> 01:02:41,639
saying we need to dictate what everyone does in the

1109
01:02:41,639 --> 01:02:44,159
world and be everyone's parent, but we are a superpower

1110
01:02:44,199 --> 01:02:46,239
and that's what we are, and we have interests around

1111
01:02:46,239 --> 01:02:48,159
the world, and people shouldn't mess with the United States.

1112
01:02:48,159 --> 01:02:49,960
I don't want to sound like some kind of jingoists.

1113
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,440
You know, if you're going to mess with us, we

1114
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:54,239
may hurt you, and we should. And if you kill

1115
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:56,840
six hundred American soldiers, I know people don't like to

1116
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,559
talk about this. You should be very careful moving forward

1117
01:02:59,599 --> 01:03:01,719
and how you deal with the United States because maybe

1118
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:04,719
we're going to hurt you. And I think Donald Trump

1119
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:07,800
hitting solemony doing this, I think he you know, I

1120
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:10,639
think he's handled it well. It's not like he's some warmonger.

1121
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:12,559
You know, he was going to bomb in his frid

1122
01:03:12,599 --> 01:03:15,480
and forget all the specifics, but his first term, there

1123
01:03:15,519 --> 01:03:18,400
was a bombing mission on the table. He pulled it

1124
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:20,400
back because civilians were going to die in Iran.

1125
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 2: Actually, that's not why he pulled it back, Okay, I

1126
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:27,440
talked to him about this. It is true that he

1127
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:30,280
pulled it back sort of related to how there would

1128
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:33,159
be people who died, but it was more than that

1129
01:03:33,159 --> 01:03:35,159
that it was in response to something for which we

1130
01:03:35,239 --> 01:03:38,719
lost no lives. Right, they targeted one of our drones,

1131
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:42,599
and it was it was something they shouldn't have done.

1132
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:45,599
But to do to kill a bunch of people in

1133
01:03:45,639 --> 01:03:48,639
response to something for which none of our people died

1134
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:52,960
was something Trump felt was inappropriate. So that's why he

1135
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:53,519
pulled back.

1136
01:03:54,199 --> 01:03:57,119
Speaker 1: And incidentally, on the regime change stuff, if Israel really

1137
01:03:57,119 --> 01:03:59,679
wanted a regime change in Iran, I'm not sure they

1138
01:03:59,679 --> 01:04:02,760
actually do. They'll say it publicly and maybe they want

1139
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,920
some some you know, on ease there. They did not

1140
01:04:06,079 --> 01:04:10,039
even they could have destroyed Iran's oil production and they

1141
01:04:10,079 --> 01:04:12,400
didn't even touch any of that. The whole economy would

1142
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:15,960
have collapsed. They had complete air superiority, and they never

1143
01:04:16,039 --> 01:04:19,360
did that. They never targeted political actors. They could have

1144
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:22,239
done that as well. They knew where everyone was. They

1145
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:25,480
went after the nuclear program and the ballistics program mostly

1146
01:04:25,519 --> 01:04:31,199
and other military installations, and you know, I know civilians died,

1147
01:04:31,239 --> 01:04:36,280
but considering how war goes, it was relatively few. And

1148
01:04:36,519 --> 01:04:40,800
the last thing on the political front, there was a

1149
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:47,719
story about I believe was it eleven Antifa members who

1150
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:51,280
were plotting to kill a bunch of ice and you know,

1151
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:59,519
ice federal officers, immigration officials. Yeah, barely barely covered by

1152
01:04:59,519 --> 01:05:01,360
the mediam and I've man sure if any major media

1153
01:05:02,519 --> 01:05:04,159
outlet even covered it at all.

1154
01:05:04,199 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 2: Do you know, I would say, just art like we

1155
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:07,800
actually looked at this yesterday and so like you'd get

1156
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:11,000
the slightest of mention on page thirty seven of Section

1157
01:05:11,159 --> 01:05:12,480
C and then moving on.

1158
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 1: Like you remember, during the Trump year, as we constantly were,

1159
01:05:18,119 --> 01:05:20,679
everyone was talking about right wing terrorism that didn't come

1160
01:05:20,679 --> 01:05:24,679
to fruition. For the most part, left wing terrorism and

1161
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:28,039
violence is just a staple of American life. You know,

1162
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:30,719
a few months ago or maybe even just I don't

1163
01:05:30,719 --> 01:05:34,360
even know when had happened. You had these Palestinian pro

1164
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:39,400
Palestinian people murdering diplomats, you had one throwing a firebomb

1165
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:43,639
at Holocaust survivor and so on, just what they did

1166
01:05:43,639 --> 01:05:47,559
at Colombian elsewhere. And now they moved on to their

1167
01:05:47,679 --> 01:05:54,719
new charge, which is to attack riot, you know, against

1168
01:05:55,000 --> 01:06:01,519
people who are enforcing federal law. Ice agents aren't Nazi stormtroopers.

1169
01:06:01,639 --> 01:06:05,559
They're enforcing law, and they were going to kill they

1170
01:06:05,559 --> 01:06:07,639
were going to kill this cop or a few of them.

1171
01:06:07,679 --> 01:06:10,679
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, first off, I want to say

1172
01:06:10,679 --> 01:06:15,559
that Antifa and other left wing groups have been targeting

1173
01:06:15,719 --> 01:06:19,559
ICE facilities for a long time. They this is not

1174
01:06:19,719 --> 01:06:22,400
a this week thing, this is not a this year thing.

1175
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:25,400
You had even I think there was like a shooting

1176
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:27,920
outside of an ICE facility in Denver, like a murder

1177
01:06:28,679 --> 01:06:31,159
of someone if I can, if I recall correctly during

1178
01:06:31,199 --> 01:06:34,320
the first Trump administration. But they've definitely been targeting ICE

1179
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:40,079
facilities and ICE agents or anybody who's enforcing borders and immigration.

1180
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:45,000
It has definitely taken a step up, and we see

1181
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:47,679
it in a few different ways. So in Portland, I

1182
01:06:47,719 --> 01:06:50,800
don't know if it's a detention facility or what, but

1183
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:55,000
Antifa has been targeting. Antifa got its start out in

1184
01:06:55,039 --> 01:06:57,719
the Pacific Northwest in America. I mean it's a global

1185
01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:02,760
organization obviously, but in the United States, it's kind of

1186
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:06,920
headquartered in the Pacific Northwest. And during the twenty twenty

1187
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:13,440
BLM riots, Antifa successfully besieged and caused major damage to

1188
01:07:13,519 --> 01:07:18,519
the people and buildings of the mark O. Hatfield Federal Courthouse.

1189
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:22,920
Media generally supported this. Any effort to bring in law

1190
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:25,920
and order was met with fierce resistance from Democrats and

1191
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:29,480
Mitt Romney type Republicans, and it just went on for

1192
01:07:29,639 --> 01:07:32,000
months and months and months. Well, now they're going after

1193
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:35,199
I think it's a detention facility and they're doing these

1194
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:39,679
like the sound terrorism. Have you heard of that, where

1195
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:44,039
you have this improvised sound device that makes it impossible

1196
01:07:44,119 --> 01:07:48,400
to think, to sleep, to operate, and the facility is

1197
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:51,159
in a residential area, and so you've got the residents

1198
01:07:51,199 --> 01:07:54,039
of that area just losing their minds. And very little

1199
01:07:54,039 --> 01:07:58,599
has been done, although on Independence Day I do believe

1200
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:03,719
an unlawful gathering was determined and they did start making

1201
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:07,159
arrests on that one. Okay, you had the shooting of

1202
01:08:07,199 --> 01:08:09,760
the officer in the neck and the ten people arrested

1203
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:13,599
for that right in McCallen, Texas. You also had people

1204
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:19,680
trying to interrupt a law enforcement proceeding by flattening the

1205
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:23,199
tires of vehicles yesterday in the LA area. I think,

1206
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:27,039
and I'm not sure if that was Antifa, but it was. Oh,

1207
01:08:27,119 --> 01:08:29,000
in fact, it was that sheer Laga or what is

1208
01:08:29,039 --> 01:08:33,800
that called some kind of like illegal immigrant group rights group,

1209
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:38,439
I believe, a group that's also gotten taxpayer funding. So

1210
01:08:39,399 --> 01:08:42,119
things are heating up. People are trying to you know,

1211
01:08:42,159 --> 01:08:45,560
you saw the Axio story where Democrat members of Congress

1212
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:48,800
said that their base wants blood, they want people to

1213
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:52,079
get shot, they want more attention brought to the issue

1214
01:08:52,159 --> 01:08:56,439
of whether to have borders that are meaningful. And so

1215
01:08:57,399 --> 01:09:02,159
it's yes, a major story and one that has not

1216
01:09:02,239 --> 01:09:05,720
gotten appropriate or proper response from the media or from

1217
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:08,439
the Trump administration. I would say they need to take

1218
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:14,560
this much more seriously when you have a domestic terrorist group,

1219
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:16,399
but I don't think that's like a real designation, But

1220
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:21,239
that's what, you know, that's what they are working this

1221
01:09:21,319 --> 01:09:24,800
hard and being this coordinated. I pray that they are

1222
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:27,640
going that they're going after them and not like during

1223
01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:30,800
the twenty twenty BLM riots when you had Department of

1224
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:33,159
Justice people saying that they couldn't go after the people

1225
01:09:33,199 --> 01:09:36,319
targeting the Marco Hatfield Federal Courthouse because it was happening

1226
01:09:36,359 --> 01:09:39,720
at night. Remember that. They were like, yeah, just hard

1227
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:41,840
to go after them because it's happening at night. Well,

1228
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:43,600
that's why you get paid the big bucks.

1229
01:09:44,119 --> 01:09:47,399
Speaker 1: Do you remember all the apologists for this, for Antifa,

1230
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:50,159
and like the first term of Trump's first term, they

1231
01:09:50,159 --> 01:09:52,760
were like, you know, they're anti fascist. I think CNN

1232
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:56,199
don lemon all these people. The group's named after a

1233
01:09:56,199 --> 01:09:59,359
Stalinist Germans German organization, but people tell me, you know,

1234
01:09:59,359 --> 01:10:03,319
they're anti fa fascist. Aren't you anti fascist? This is like, yeah,

1235
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:07,159
stalin was anti fascist too. To me, I honestly don't

1236
01:10:07,159 --> 01:10:10,720
even make much distinctions between the BLM terrorists, Antifa terrorists,

1237
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:13,479
the propoused Indian terrorists. And I bet you a lot

1238
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:16,600
of these people obviously aligned ideologically, but actually are just

1239
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:19,199
a big blob of And maybe this is wrong of

1240
01:10:19,319 --> 01:10:20,640
me to do. I don't know. Maybe it should be

1241
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:23,199
more fair to terrorist groups, but I think it's just

1242
01:10:23,199 --> 01:10:29,119
a big blob of violent un American action. It's pretty

1243
01:10:29,119 --> 01:10:31,359
scary stuff. I think because I just love like.

1244
01:10:31,319 --> 01:10:34,199
Speaker 2: You're allowed to attack the White House, you're allowed to

1245
01:10:34,239 --> 01:10:37,479
attack the Federal Courthouse. So you can go after Article

1246
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:42,880
two branches, an Article three branches buildings, but you can't

1247
01:10:43,079 --> 01:10:48,439
go after Article ones building. Apparently that's when they'll investigate you.

1248
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 1: I think that's different news.

1249
01:10:52,079 --> 01:10:55,239
Speaker 2: Right, Let's do culture. How was your culture during your

1250
01:10:55,279 --> 01:10:57,720
week off? You should have lots to say since it's

1251
01:10:57,760 --> 01:10:58,680
been two weeks.

1252
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:02,239
Speaker 1: Well, I was sick, people can hear. So I did

1253
01:11:02,239 --> 01:11:06,600
a lot of sleeping second half of my vacation. But

1254
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:07,920
I do have so. I mean, I went up to

1255
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:10,920
New York. It was a lot of fun, you know

1256
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:12,479
where I'm from. I saw a family. Then I went

1257
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:16,680
up to the upstate to Saratoga Springs area, and you're all, Benny,

1258
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:19,239
I don't know you've been up there Lake George, stuff

1259
01:11:19,279 --> 01:11:21,880
like that. When sailing, which is very nice. I hit

1260
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:24,479
a record store in Saratoga which I don't remember the

1261
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:27,319
name of. But you know when there's like white whale records,

1262
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:30,000
you know what I mean, Like you don't see them

1263
01:11:30,039 --> 01:11:32,279
in the wild, and when you do, well, yeah, I

1264
01:11:32,319 --> 01:11:34,960
found one of those. It was like super exciting. It's

1265
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:38,399
just a I collect this SST Records from the eighties.

1266
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:41,359
It's just a band called Angst. I couldn't believe my eyes.

1267
01:11:41,399 --> 01:11:44,520
It's like so rare and it was right there, and

1268
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:47,479
I had to talk to the guy, the record store owner.

1269
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:49,239
I'm like, this is an amazing record. I can't believe

1270
01:11:49,279 --> 01:11:50,600
you have it. He's like, I played this on my

1271
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:53,279
show the other day and it is amazing. I bought

1272
01:11:53,319 --> 01:11:57,079
it very happy, just trying to stretch this out. Nothing

1273
01:11:57,079 --> 01:11:59,720
else happened. And also a I saw one movie Heads

1274
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:05,479
of Date. Is it on your list? Are you laughing?

1275
01:12:06,039 --> 01:12:07,520
Speaker 2: Oh man, I'm not laughing.

1276
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:12,119
Speaker 1: What'd you get? It was so bad that I started

1277
01:12:12,119 --> 01:12:15,880
thinking that maybe it's Idris Alba plays the Prime Minister

1278
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:19,720
of Britain. What's his name? John Senna is his name?

1279
01:12:20,279 --> 01:12:24,119
Plays the American President. Just a bit of a stretch.

1280
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:27,399
It was so bad that I thought it was kind

1281
01:12:27,399 --> 01:12:30,359
of like satirical or something like it was mocking how

1282
01:12:30,399 --> 01:12:33,439
bad movies can be. But apparently that's not the case.

1283
01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:34,960
So I did not really enjoy it.

1284
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:39,600
Speaker 2: So I showed Independence Day to the kids the movie,

1285
01:12:40,279 --> 01:12:43,000
and apart from the name, it has basically nothing to

1286
01:12:43,039 --> 01:12:45,119
do with Independence Day at all, and in fact, the

1287
01:12:45,159 --> 01:12:48,399
messaging might be hostile to Independence Day. Do you like

1288
01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:48,880
that movie?

1289
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:52,840
Speaker 1: Not? I mean I don't. When I saw it, I

1290
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:55,119
liked it because I was happy just to see space

1291
01:12:55,279 --> 01:12:58,239
aliens or whatever, But no, I am not. Subsequently, I'm

1292
01:12:58,319 --> 01:13:00,600
kind of wondering why it's that pop. I just don't

1293
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:01,520
think it's very good.

1294
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:05,039
Speaker 2: Right, So I had decided to I thought it would

1295
01:13:05,039 --> 01:13:06,800
be a good idea to watch it. We're always looking

1296
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:09,319
for things that work for the whole family, and I

1297
01:13:09,359 --> 01:13:11,920
suggested it to Mark. He said he hated that movie

1298
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:14,159
and thought it was really stupid. So I just showed

1299
01:13:14,159 --> 01:13:16,479
it to the kids myself and we thought it was fun,

1300
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:19,000
but it has nothing. It really should be watched like

1301
01:13:19,079 --> 01:13:22,760
at Christmas, not on Independence Day because it's not there.

1302
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:27,760
And then yes, I also watched Heads of State and

1303
01:13:28,039 --> 01:13:31,399
it was I think the worst movie I've ever seen.

1304
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:34,920
I could be wrong, like there could be worse. For

1305
01:13:35,119 --> 01:13:37,720
everything you said is exactly right. Actually, I wanted to

1306
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:41,319
say about the satire point that my brother and I

1307
01:13:41,399 --> 01:13:44,479
in high school watched an entire season of Beverly Hills

1308
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:47,319
nine O two one zero and thought it was brilliant,

1309
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:51,000
and only at the end did we realize it wasn't satire.

1310
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:54,560
We were like, this is this is amazing, Like the

1311
01:13:55,119 --> 01:13:58,119
critique of the American high school and the wealth class

1312
01:13:58,199 --> 01:14:00,439
is just amazing. And then at the end we were like, oh,

1313
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:03,119
we're idiots. It was just supposed to be something you enjoyed.

1314
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:09,920
So I do love Idris Elba, loved Luther, loved the Wire,

1315
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:13,319
and he's got chops and so on the strength of

1316
01:14:13,359 --> 01:14:16,000
that alone, because I do not like John Sana Sina

1317
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:19,520
how you say his name. I think he's dumb and

1318
01:14:20,119 --> 01:14:22,960
not a good actor and not handsome, and so there's

1319
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:27,319
like nothing really going for him, harsh but interesting. I

1320
01:14:27,319 --> 01:14:29,239
was like, Okay, well I'm gonna can't be too bad

1321
01:14:29,239 --> 01:14:36,840
if he's there, and some devastating the hands I was appalled.

1322
01:14:37,039 --> 01:14:39,000
I mean, first of all, it was written as anti

1323
01:14:39,119 --> 01:14:43,479
American slop. You know, yeah, it's Elba versus an idiot

1324
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:48,920
for the president. The tonal shifts in the script were insane.

1325
01:14:49,399 --> 01:14:53,520
It would go from everybody literally spoiler alert, everybody on

1326
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:57,760
Air Force one dying to then them being like petty

1327
01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:01,359
jokesters on the ground, like nobody who had just lost

1328
01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:05,560
hundreds of their key staff and people like trying to

1329
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:08,840
protect them would be being petty on the ground with

1330
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:14,000
Idris elbat like. It just was ludicrously stupid. And then

1331
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:17,039
the fight scenes could have been good, and in some

1332
01:15:17,079 --> 01:15:21,039
cases even were good, but the CGI was so clumsy

1333
01:15:21,079 --> 01:15:23,920
and junkie. It looked like they told a junior high

1334
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:26,840
school class, you get to do the CGI for this movie.

1335
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:30,000
I mean, sometimes there's a There was the hot lady

1336
01:15:30,039 --> 01:15:32,279
who of course is the strongest of them.

1337
01:15:32,119 --> 01:15:34,479
Speaker 1: All I wanted to talk about's.

1338
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:38,159
Speaker 2: We and they would forget to replace her, her stunt

1339
01:15:38,239 --> 01:15:41,479
doubles face with hers in the scenes.

1340
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:42,800
Speaker 1: I was like, is this a.

1341
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:49,119
Speaker 2: Major Hollywood production or not? Like it was so bad,

1342
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:53,399
so bad, I couldn't believe it. And I don't even

1343
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:54,720
know why I've stayed.

1344
01:15:54,359 --> 01:15:57,560
Speaker 1: Through to the end. It's like screwball comedy, you know, thriller,

1345
01:15:58,319 --> 01:16:00,359
you know, a mystery, all these things and they just

1346
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:04,600
is so ridiculously cobble together. Yeah, I'm sick of this.

1347
01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:06,960
I want to talk about this. Every movie there's a

1348
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:09,279
five to two women, a very attractive woman who's a

1349
01:16:09,359 --> 01:16:13,039
very good shape beating the living you know what, out

1350
01:16:13,039 --> 01:16:17,159
of six five bodyguards and all that. I'm so sick

1351
01:16:17,199 --> 01:16:19,319
of it. They can they not make a So did

1352
01:16:19,319 --> 01:16:22,800
you see Charlie Theoron talking about how they won't let

1353
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:26,239
women make action movies. You know, they fail once, they

1354
01:16:26,279 --> 01:16:28,159
can't come back. Meanwhile, she's been in like a ton

1355
01:16:28,199 --> 01:16:31,159
of them, and honestly, she pulls it off better than

1356
01:16:31,159 --> 01:16:33,520
most because she's you know, she's a large, large, and

1357
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:35,920
I don't mean large woman. She's in shape and everything.

1358
01:16:36,239 --> 01:16:38,399
She's a big woman, like you know, five to eleven

1359
01:16:38,479 --> 01:16:42,079
whatever she is, and it looks like she's in great shape.

1360
01:16:42,159 --> 01:16:45,960
But I'm just so sick of it. It's ridiculous. It's

1361
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:47,880
not trust me. It's not because I have anything against women.

1362
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:50,199
I mean, it's just people. Me in that movie beating

1363
01:16:50,279 --> 01:16:52,000
up people would be ridiculous, you know what I mean.

1364
01:16:52,039 --> 01:16:52,760
I'm an old man.

1365
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:55,800
Speaker 2: I'm going to say something else about heads of state.

1366
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:58,920
But your mention of Shirley's thereon reminded me that in

1367
01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:03,520
this video she did, which was on this like podcast

1368
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:08,600
sex podcast, Yeah, she was bragging about how and I

1369
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:10,920
think she's like trans to some of her kids. I

1370
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:15,720
could have her confused with all the cha and sort

1371
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:18,960
of famously not married and rejects marriage. And she was

1372
01:17:19,079 --> 01:17:22,000
bragging about how she had recently had a one night

1373
01:17:22,119 --> 01:17:24,239
stand with a twenty six year old male, and I

1374
01:17:24,239 --> 01:17:30,800
think she's like fifty, And I think if she had

1375
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:33,600
been married, maybe she would have a little more insight

1376
01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:36,760
into the male psyche and would realize that having a

1377
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:40,680
one night stand with any male of any age is

1378
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:43,640
literally nothing to brag about if you're a woman, much

1379
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:46,960
less a super hot woman. Like, how hard is it

1380
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:54,199
to secure a partner when the partner is a man.

1381
01:17:54,359 --> 01:17:56,520
Speaker 1: It's not, I would say, the least difficult thing on

1382
01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:59,159
earth that you could possibly do right, or among.

1383
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:02,760
Speaker 2: Them me be like, oh, that girl has super low

1384
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:05,960
self esteem, Like she thought she did something great by

1385
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:09,279
having sex with a twenty six year old Like, wow,

1386
01:18:10,119 --> 01:18:14,479
it's sad. It's really sad. Anyway, Okay, back to heads

1387
01:18:14,479 --> 01:18:18,560
of state. In addition to all the other inconsistencies, did

1388
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:21,880
you get the part about how NATO was simultaneously the

1389
01:18:22,039 --> 01:18:25,680
bad guy and then also everybody had to sacrifice everything

1390
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:29,279
to save it, right, Like the whole motivation of the

1391
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:31,880
of the supposed bad guy we later find out that

1392
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:34,319
he's just kind of a you know, sub bad guy,

1393
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:38,960
is that NATO had wrongly killed his son, and then

1394
01:18:39,239 --> 01:18:43,920
they all have to go to defend NATO. I was like,

1395
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:47,119
this doesn't even make sense within its own convoluted story.

1396
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:49,560
Speaker 1: Three things on this that I will love. Thank you

1397
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:53,199
for allowing me to dissect this movie. I didn't think

1398
01:18:53,239 --> 01:18:56,279
that this would happen. So one, the idea that the

1399
01:18:56,319 --> 01:18:59,319
British Prime Minister is like ordering around the US President

1400
01:18:59,399 --> 01:19:02,840
is insane. He's begging the US President to do things

1401
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:06,399
for him. The other thing with NATO is the idea

1402
01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:09,279
that people are just leaving NATO and America high and

1403
01:19:09,359 --> 01:19:11,840
dry is so dumb. It's they can't even they haven't

1404
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:14,399
even been paying three we pay for the whole thing.

1405
01:19:15,039 --> 01:19:18,399
It's completely for them to protect them. The idea that

1406
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:21,399
France is like standing up to the US President like

1407
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:24,720
shaking his finger at him, it was just ridiculous. Thirdly,

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did you notice that the Vice president spoiler alert, who's

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the bad guy or one of the bad guys was

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America first person? In the beginning she says like she's

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anti interventionist or whatever.

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Speaker 2: No, they literally call her America first and so the

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actual story and I'm sorry, I don't care that I'm

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ruining it for everybody. It needs to be ruined because

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nobody should ever watch this film ever, and also everyone

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involved in the making of the film, Idris Elba included,

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should just not make any more movies. That's how bad

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it is.

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Speaker 1: It's been a great run.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the actual bad guy of the movie is Maga

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for real. And that's not even why I hated the movie.

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That was like at the end, by which time I

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had already hated it for two hours. But yeah, they

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said that, like, if you care about American interests, then

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you're a villain and you would lead to the potential

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destruction of the entire world in order to achieve your

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America first objectives, like.

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Speaker 1: Her her scheme is to undo NATO. It's funny because

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I watched it literally the day I read that Donald

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Trump was like being praised by all the NATO leaders

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for like bringing them together. It was just so ham

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fisted and ridiculous. Anyway, do not watch that movie unless

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you maybe for a laugh.

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Speaker 2: But no, no, I am a connoisseur of bad movies,

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like I like certain movies precisely as they're bad. This

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was not that. This is this was tonal, and it

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was the tonal thing more than anything. What is that

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really famous bad movie.

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Speaker 1: The Room?

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Speaker 2: What the Room?

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I'm not recommending anyone see it, but that was much

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better than this bad movie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, movies can be bad where to the extent that

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they're funny and interesting to watch. This was not one

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of them. Anything else culture wise, that's it, that's it. Okay.

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