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Speaker 5: mind of this particular garbage can. Dude, got a real
Speaker 5: barn burner on deck for you, folks here tonight and
Speaker 5: we're gonna go through a in a cult and or
Speaker 5: esoteric review of the nineteen eighty six cinematic masterpiece starring
Speaker 5: Eddie Murphy, The Golden Child. And joining me here tonight
Speaker 5: is Nick from the Occult Rejects. Nick, Welcome, Welcome, sir.
Speaker 8: What's going on? Man? Thank you very much?
Speaker 5: And fellow oh for sure, and fellow Occult rejects Cosmic Pete,
Speaker 5: Julia and Jen the Ninja.
Speaker 8: How what's up?
Speaker 5: Welcome back to Operation GCD. Jen and Julia Welcome. You've
Speaker 5: been on. We've done Fridays, I think together, and some
Speaker 5: other shows, but this is your your first Operation GCD experience,
Speaker 5: so welcome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the grass is greener over here. I think I
Speaker 1: like it. I like the air over here.
Speaker 5: Nice, I like green grass. I think Nick, Nick your
Speaker 5: graves me on that one. He knows what I'm talking about. Yes, yes,
Speaker 5: So I'm glad to hear this came together in an
Speaker 5: unofficial fashion and such a fantastic way, because quite honestly,
Speaker 5: this spun out of tonight's show reviewing The Golden Child.
Speaker 5: If folks aren't familiar with the film, I will be
Speaker 5: playing a brief trailer here for us, and before we
Speaker 5: dive into any of the details that I found the
Speaker 5: original trailer that was the I guess it was from
Speaker 5: early nineteen eighty six because it came out in December
Speaker 5: of eighty six. I believe the film did. So it's
Speaker 5: a it's a great it's a great trailer from It's
Speaker 5: a perfect eighties trailer. So, and it does a great job.
Speaker 5: It actually explains the story in the narrative of the plotline,
Speaker 5: whereas today's trailers do none of that. There's so many
Speaker 5: trailers I watched today, I'm like, what the fuck's this move?
Speaker 5: Even about? Man?
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, sure everything trailer.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's quite honestly, I think it's the
Speaker 5: formula in which Hollywood makes films today. And that's one example.
Speaker 5: Don't want to go off on too big of a tangent,
Speaker 5: but one example. There was a film about ten years ago.
Speaker 5: It was a Spanish language film even and it was
Speaker 5: supposed to be a trauma film, and it was apparently
Speaker 5: this you know, they put a lot of money into it,
Speaker 5: so for some reason they wanted to try to save it.
Speaker 5: So it was gonna be completely shit canned in the
Speaker 5: studio called in. I believe it was Keanu Reeves to
Speaker 5: come in for two weeks from a bunch of sea.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, listen, throws on your own show My.
Speaker 5: Back, My Back, where I cut out romance drama Keu Reeves. Yeah,
Speaker 5: they called in Keanu to film, like two weeks of
Speaker 5: ship and they changed into a crime, some sort of
Speaker 5: crime thriller. They went from romance drama to crime thriller
Speaker 5: from two different languages. As I'm just saying, a lot
Speaker 5: of films are very formulaic, and this in this day
Speaker 5: and age, when they can pull off of something like that,
Speaker 5: I don't like anyone solid in the theaters anyway, But nonetheless,
Speaker 5: like you know, until the last two weeks of filming,
Speaker 5: it was a it was a Spanish language romance, you know, film,
Speaker 5: and then they brought in Keanu and made it some
Speaker 5: sort of crime thriller, you know, and in English speaking,
Speaker 5: so again you know they don't. You know what I'm
Speaker 5: getting at is, you know, I think there was a
Speaker 5: certain craft to filmmaking still in the eighties, not only
Speaker 5: just the writing as I'm pointing out, and plot lines
Speaker 5: and the trailers even described these fucking films, but the
Speaker 5: you're rubbing off on me, Julia with with all your
Speaker 5: cursing like a sailor, I feel like I have to
Speaker 5: curse the uh the I mean, I'm an old retired
Speaker 5: senior master sartant, so I'm sorry, master start senior and
Speaker 5: CEO from the Air Force, so it doesn't take me much.
Speaker 5: But I'm not a sailor. But you know, it's about
Speaker 5: the same language, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I barely had to push you in that direction, That's.
Speaker 5: What That's what I'm saying. I didn't I did that
Speaker 5: between years in the Air Force, right, it wasn't it
Speaker 5: wasn't a Navy. But it's the same difference, I suppose.
Speaker 5: But so also I think this this film was great
Speaker 5: in the special effects.
Speaker 1: Right m For the eighties, it was I think, so.
Speaker 5: Pretty monumental, you know, achievements I think they did with
Speaker 5: some real time special effects.
Speaker 9: Yeah, like when the guy goes to like meditate and
Speaker 9: the bad guy shows up and like everything blows away
Speaker 9: and it's just yeah, I thought that was pretty impressive.
Speaker 5: Then there's yeah, there's a lot of those scenes right well.
Speaker 10: To riff off your point, JJ, which I think is
Speaker 10: really good, is there's a technical aspect of filmmaking, obviously,
Speaker 10: because they were using actual cameras, actual celluloid and I
Speaker 10: think that that plays a big part in technical craftsmanship
Speaker 10: because if you don't do something, how would you know
Speaker 10: how to do it? So if you're relying on digital,
Speaker 10: and I'm not an anti digital, especially for the early
Speaker 10: two thousands, I think it was really cool. Like there's
Speaker 10: a lot of shows that like have that interesting like
Speaker 10: darker blue kind of filter that you can only really
Speaker 10: do with digital, like handicams, and I think that that
Speaker 10: was innovative. But I think, really, this is something totally different.
Speaker 10: This is like that. I think this is why you
Speaker 10: like it. I think this is why I like it,
Speaker 10: and it's I think it's Julia likes that and also
Speaker 10: Nick because it's like something classic. It's something that we
Speaker 10: all can refer to. There's a grammar, it's very coherent
Speaker 10: as a film language.
Speaker 5: Oh for sure. I'm anti CGA, so I definitely do.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, you know what I would compare it to.
Speaker 1: It's like a lot of the movies that come out recently.
Speaker 1: It's like I think I heard somebody else say this too,
Speaker 1: but the Marvel movies and stuff like that, it's like
Speaker 1: it's like going to a theme park and you ride
Speaker 1: the rides and you woo and then it's over with.
Speaker 1: Whereas movies in the eighties and before that, obviously, and
Speaker 1: even some movies in the nineties, maybe early two thousands,
Speaker 1: they were more like a story. They were more like
Speaker 1: an experience, like a you get like enthralled with it,
Speaker 1: you and it's like it takes you on a journey,
Speaker 1: whereas now it's like kind of just bread and circusy
Speaker 1: type stuff. It's like, just fill your mind with this
Speaker 1: garbage and be happy with it.
Speaker 5: I mean, oh, for sure, it's terrible, right they just
Speaker 5: call it in with writing. Yeah, that's what I was
Speaker 5: getting that when you can just call on Keanu and
Speaker 5: change your entire language of your film and genre of
Speaker 5: your film in two weeks, Like clearly there's a formula
Speaker 5: these films, right, great?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think the comedy was better back then.
Speaker 1: Like don't get me wrong, I like super Bad and
Speaker 1: like Jet Appatole movies. I like that kind of comedy
Speaker 1: because I'll watch that stuff too, Pineapple Express. But there
Speaker 1: was something about like the eighties comedy that was like
Speaker 1: a full belly laugh. Like I hate to even say it,
Speaker 1: but eighties movies that I grew up on were like
Speaker 1: The Burbs and Money Pit. I know Tom Jinks is
Speaker 1: a shithead, but like those movies made me laugh so hard.
Speaker 1: All Eddie Murphy movies made me laugh so hard. And
Speaker 1: when I go back and watch them again. Even now,
Speaker 1: I'm still laughing at this same like five jokes, just
Speaker 1: over and over again, like they're still so funny.
Speaker 5: That's one of the things I love about this movie
Speaker 5: is that he plays Axel Foley basically, so it's like
Speaker 5: Beverly Hills cop, but he's an LA private detective solving
Speaker 5: satanic you know, you know, kidnapping by a satanic cold
Speaker 5: of a young girl. He has some fighting demons, this
Speaker 5: little Tibetan kid that turns out to be a girl.
Speaker 5: I thought that was a a boy in the film
Speaker 5: terms of be a girl, not trances.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a girl.
Speaker 5: That's a girl. That's a girl. I don't want to
Speaker 5: I want to spoiler alert. They don't tell you that
Speaker 5: in the film though. I just found that out actually
Speaker 5: not that long ago. I pop up my YouTube feed, like,
Speaker 5: you know, where are they now? You know, Golden Golden Child,
Speaker 5: you know, and Eddie Murphy's looking rough, but I like
Speaker 5: Eddie Murphy in the early eighties, you know. And then
Speaker 5: again they're like they were like, hey, this is the
Speaker 5: boy from the Golden Child. I'm like, that's a girl.
Speaker 5: They're like yeah, And I was like, oh, that's trans
Speaker 5: he was a girl the entire time. I'm like, well,
Speaker 5: that's bizarre.
Speaker 1: I didn't know whoa Okay, well I did not know that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a fun fact. I could have swore it was
Speaker 1: a boy.
Speaker 5: But before I before I played the trailer and uh
Speaker 5: turned it over before I turned over to off for
Speaker 5: any any other comments here to start off the show,
Speaker 5: did you?
Speaker 9: Uh?
Speaker 5: I just want to point out, this is my favorite
Speaker 5: era of Murphy, like you were saying there, Julia, like
Speaker 5: later Murphy I could do without, you know, pre pre
Speaker 5: trans hooker Murphy. You know, I remember that incident in
Speaker 5: the nineties were suddenly Eddie Murphy's associated with all these
Speaker 5: transgendered hookers on the streets of l A. And then
Speaker 5: he gets busted by the tabloids. Actually he gets busted
Speaker 5: by Entrew Breitbart. He's the one he busted. They broke
Speaker 5: that story. And then suddenly these uh is Eddie's friends,
Speaker 5: eddies transgendered hooker friends are getting thrown off the tops
Speaker 5: of buildings all of a sudden, strange tale strange, I mean,
Speaker 5: was the uh.
Speaker 1: Time that like Boomerang and Vampire in Brooklyn and like.
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, it was every everything but I'm good with everything.
Speaker 1: Before that, Okay, okay, whatever.
Speaker 5: He got into around that time. And to be honest
Speaker 5: with you, I think the reason a lot of eighties films,
Speaker 5: a lot of eighties comedies were so good is cocaine.
Speaker 1: Maybe Harlom Knights.
Speaker 5: Very cocaine Field. No, I think all these productions like
Speaker 5: very cocaine field. In fact, Tonight's Tonight's production The Golden
Speaker 5: Child is only you have a one degree of separation
Speaker 5: from Bob Cocaine Evans the production of this film. So
Speaker 5: you're talking Hollywood and you're talking cocaine field nineteen eighties films.
Speaker 5: This is right in the epicenter of that wheelhouse because,
Speaker 5: like I said, it's it's ultimately the green it's the
Speaker 5: green light of the film. From Paramount Pictures is the
Speaker 5: guy that Bob Evans hires to replace him there when
Speaker 5: he gets he gets his independent producer role on the
Speaker 5: lot until eighty one when he gets popped for them
Speaker 5: cocaine trafficking charges and then his buddy buried or throws
Speaker 5: them off a lot as the legend goes, And Barry
Speaker 5: Diyler is a very important character, but yeah, he's uh,
Speaker 5: he was Bob Bob co cocaine Bob's underling.
Speaker 1: So well, I before you play the trailer there, I
Speaker 1: just have to say two things. I get exactly what
Speaker 1: you're saying. But there is a movie he made later
Speaker 1: in life that's called Life. Do you remember that one
Speaker 1: he was older, I think.
Speaker 5: With Martin Lawrence.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's still one of my Yeah, still one of
Speaker 1: my faves. I know he was kind of on his
Speaker 1: way out at the time, but I still love that
Speaker 1: movie and unpopular opinion, I actually think his brother is
Speaker 1: funnier than he is. Charlie Murphy, Charlie Murphy, Charlie Murphy.
Speaker 5: Well please, while you're still there talking to Julie, please
Speaker 5: introduce your show since I didn't give you the proper
Speaker 5: time here to do that thus far.
Speaker 1: Oh well thanks. Yeah. I have Cosmic Peach podcasts available wherever.
Speaker 1: I'm really happy to be here tonight because I've been
Speaker 1: looking for somebody to cover this movie with me for
Speaker 1: two years now, and either no one's interested, or they
Speaker 1: haven't seen it, or they don't understand why I think
Speaker 1: it's significant. But so when you mentioned it the other night,
Speaker 1: I was like, if you don't let me on that one,
Speaker 1: I'm going to cry and just be in the comments
Speaker 1: shitting on you guys the whole time. I should have
Speaker 1: been on this one. Fuck you guys.
Speaker 5: I was excited to see that you were so into
Speaker 5: it because this is one of my favorite films, and
Speaker 5: we kind of we did Big Trouble a Little China
Speaker 5: a few months ago, and the kind of the spinoff
Speaker 5: of that is we decided to do this because this
Speaker 5: was the competing Hollywood project too, Big Trouble, Little China
Speaker 5: and share some of the same actors as Big Trouble,
Speaker 5: Little China, not just Victor Wong, who had a very
Speaker 5: great year. He might have had the best year in
Speaker 5: Hollywood for an Asian actor north of fifty years old.
Speaker 5: He he won that year that category.
Speaker 1: Isn't he chang in the in Trimmors?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, he's the grandfather in the Three Ninjas trilogy,
Speaker 5: which was a big part of my childhood.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I loved Trimors when I was little. And then
Speaker 1: when I was doing the notes today, I was like,
Speaker 1: I put in the side note, I said, did anyone
Speaker 1: else realize that the old guy is changed from Trimmers?
Speaker 5: That old guy, ma'am is egg Chen. Egg Chen's a legend.
Speaker 5: He did, and he killed it in this one too.
Speaker 1: Right, Oh yeah, for sure one hundred.
Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying he was. He was killing it
Speaker 5: in nineteen eighty six, a big year that year. So
Speaker 5: and Nick, Jen before we play the trailer and start
Speaker 5: to start the show here and he may offer you
Speaker 5: any comments. And what are you all working on over
Speaker 5: there at the Occult Rejects, Nick, I know you're you're
Speaker 5: pumping out new shows every day of the Occult All
Speaker 5: was just out today.
Speaker 8: Uh yeah, yeah, yeah, they cult Elvis. That was fun. Actually,
Speaker 8: that was really interesting. Julia was there for that as well.
Speaker 8: Yeah weren't you? Yeah you were there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, fuck, I was there. I've seen too.
Speaker 8: Yeah, totally forgot. I'm burnt. Yeah, we had that.
Speaker 5: That's a good show though, I really I really enjoyed that.
Speaker 5: I haven't got a chance to re listen to, but the
Speaker 5: first time I listened to when I was there, it
Speaker 5: was a good show.
Speaker 2: Yea.
Speaker 8: It spread off to Tuesday World, that's.
Speaker 5: Right, that is Tuesday Weld. I really liked that show.
Speaker 5: That was a good one. I was just as excited
Speaker 5: when you brought up Tuesday Weld as you were sounding
Speaker 5: like as you were excited when I brought up the
Speaker 5: Golden Child.
Speaker 1: It's a full circle moment here, really Occult reject. It's
Speaker 1: a full circle. We're the dream team at this point.
Speaker 8: I like that. I like that. We got some Red
Speaker 8: Hefer stuff coming out this week.
Speaker 5: So nice.
Speaker 8: Yeah, some stuff. What you did with broadcasting seeds.
Speaker 9: We got that coming out Friday for people listening now,
Speaker 9: and over the weekend we will have for audio listeners.
Speaker 8: Uh, then you probably wouldn't be watching now. But got
Speaker 8: morm and Mafia Part four dropping audio.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that's a great series. Jen. Jen's involved in
Speaker 5: that one, Archie Jen, What's what's going on over there?
Speaker 3: Gen?
Speaker 5: You haid? Now is a ninja you're doing ninja stuff.
Speaker 10: Nie, JJ, But thank you so much for inviting you.
Speaker 10: I'd love to do, especially sir, cinema Ocult reviews. This
Speaker 10: is obviously our second one, and of course my boss
Speaker 10: Nick mister ninety three. Yeah, thirty three, but I'll give
Speaker 10: I'll upgrade this time.
Speaker 5: There you go.
Speaker 10: So I have a I have two notes actually, so
Speaker 10: I'll do those at the end. So this is one
Speaker 10: is about sure Elds. I think it's very interesting. I
Speaker 10: think Julia will be actually interested in it, and if
Speaker 10: Heidi's listening, so shout out Heidi. I think she'll actually
Speaker 10: find it interesting to you. And then I have a
Speaker 10: note about the cutting your hair on waxing and waning
Speaker 10: moon because we talked about this literally yesterday or the
Speaker 10: other night.
Speaker 5: I was just say that that just came up, right.
Speaker 10: That's right, So I have note about that, so I
Speaker 10: will come back to that. But I have a show,
Speaker 10: Threshold Saints. It's speculative ontology. We're exploring metaphysics through pop culture.
Speaker 10: But it's not like Julia if you watch Julia's show,
Speaker 10: and I obviously want everyone to watch Julia's show, but
Speaker 10: it's a different We approach it from different ways. I
Speaker 10: look at everything through parafection and through like a technical
Speaker 10: kind of cabala contra mixture, crazy wild wisdom. So if
Speaker 10: you're interested in that, you can definitely subscribe. And I
Speaker 10: just dropped a three part episode on Ralph Blacksheet and
Speaker 10: then I'm also dropping another episode this week, so yeah, big,
Speaker 10: thanks for that. But okay, so note about Tuesday Welds.
Speaker 10: So I think what this is. When I was watching
Speaker 10: the episode, I was so excited. Best episode. I think
Speaker 10: one of my favorites, personal favorites. I thought it was
Speaker 10: so phenomenal. Okay, So for Tuesday, I actually think she
Speaker 10: embodied this concept called the ichef Zenu name. So this
Speaker 10: is the sometimes that's translated as the virgin horror, but
Speaker 10: it can also be trans understood as the princess of
Speaker 10: the klipus.
Speaker 5: So there's a that's not a literal virgin, right Jen.
Speaker 10: Yes, Like yeah, because it was all about sex magic, right,
Speaker 10: So you had, but Tuesday would have never participated physically.
Speaker 10: If I'm just saying if she fills that archetype, there's.
Speaker 5: No I hear you. I was just being a smart ass,
Speaker 5: So this is a.
Speaker 10: Totally right, You're totally right. No, No, you're totally right.
Speaker 10: I just was meaning that if she embodies that concept,
Speaker 10: that's why she remained. One reason. Maybe you could say,
Speaker 10: then the other ones did end.
Speaker 5: Would you would you say, this is a powerful position
Speaker 5: within a occult network what you're describing.
Speaker 10: Yeah, she would have. It would have been like the
Speaker 10: highest of the highest. Interesting, it would have been like
Speaker 10: the person who channeled whatever they're channeling.
Speaker 9: Would you be like considering it, like I'm trying to
Speaker 9: understand the it's the type of feminine. Would it be
Speaker 9: more of like an empress card instead of netsuck is
Speaker 9: kind of getting.
Speaker 10: In, Yes, yes, it's more eusotic with a little hode maybe.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that would be like all right, it's released.
Speaker 10: Well, I think that until she got married, she had
Speaker 10: to maintain a like degree of virginity. I'm not saying
Speaker 10: that she wasn't involved in sexual things. I'm sure that
Speaker 10: what she did I actually kind of knows. I'll just
Speaker 10: say it is that I think what she was directed
Speaker 10: the sexual activities of other people. That's how I would
Speaker 10: understand it in a more technical way. Obviously, I don't
Speaker 10: think of things as sex magic or whatever. I just
Speaker 10: am looking at it more technically. So I think she
Speaker 10: would sort of channel the daikini or whatever they're doing,
Speaker 10: the feminine divine force. But her mind is virginal, so
Speaker 10: she doesn't, you know, she's not the horror. Particularly, she's
Speaker 10: a virgin horror. So she'd maybe direct sexual actions of
Speaker 10: people around her, but she's not herself. Well, that engaged.
Speaker 5: Didn't describe Tuesday Well's activity. She's very much the director.
Speaker 8: As did his buddy.
Speaker 5: It's like how cocaine Bob evans Uh brought together the
Speaker 5: Lovely couple of Room and Polanski and Sharon Tate in
Speaker 5: nuptials only for Sharon Tate to you know her on
Speaker 5: timely demise. I often wonder was that the plan going in.
Speaker 1: Somebody pulling the strings behind.
Speaker 5: And that that is correct? Man, And I would say
Speaker 5: that's Tuesday. Well, And I'm glad you brought that up there, Jen,
Speaker 5: because tonight's discussion includes satannic cold activity in and around
Speaker 5: Los Angeles, California, which is where she'd be pulling them
Speaker 5: strings from. So and I think there's a good tie
Speaker 5: into that to that whole scene with this whole film,
Speaker 5: not as much as the comparison and I just did
Speaker 5: here with a dragonet and the comparison of the processed
Speaker 5: church activities around Los Angeles SIRCRA nineteen eighties. I highly
Speaker 5: recommend that, but there'll be more satanic old activity and
Speaker 5: weird blood rituals. But on that note, we will watch
Speaker 5: the trailer here and get back to uh unpacking these
Speaker 5: ideas here.
Speaker 11: In one moment, every thousand generations, a perfect child is born,
Speaker 11: a child with magical powers, a child sent to bring
Speaker 11: good into the.
Speaker 10: World, a golden child.
Speaker 11: And now this child has been kidnapped by the forces
Speaker 11: of evil, as foretold by the Nietzschung Oracle. Only one
Speaker 11: man can find him, only one man can rescue him.
Speaker 2: He is a man from the city enjoys.
Speaker 11: He is a man who does what he's writing to,
Speaker 11: A brave man, a true man.
Speaker 2: It is his destiny to save the Golden Child. He
Speaker 2: is the chosen plot.
Speaker 6: If I'm the chosen one, how come I'm freezing while
Speaker 6: you're sitting in a one movie theater, I'm going back
Speaker 6: to la and kicking somebody's bahar.
Speaker 5: This isn't supposed to be happening to me, chosen one,
Speaker 5: my behar.
Speaker 10: Why can somebody choose me to go to the Bahamas?
Speaker 5: Hawaii?
Speaker 2: Is nice?
Speaker 5: You could send me to Vegas the Chosen way. I
Speaker 5: love it right, it describes the whole movie and the
Speaker 5: plotline of the film, and and he breaks the fourth wall,
Speaker 5: which is which I thought was great.
Speaker 11: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: But it's also like when it starts at the beginning
Speaker 1: and all the serious stuff, like wouldn't who wouldn't want
Speaker 1: to watch that movie?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Very Yeah, it's so mysterious you want to see more.
Speaker 1: And then it's in with the comedy. I mean, geez,
Speaker 1: what else can you.
Speaker 5: Ask for definitely grasp your attention to Meily right, m m.
Speaker 5: It turns out that's not too bad. That's Mammoth Lakes, California.
Speaker 5: But strangely enough they did a great job of that too.
Speaker 12: Mm hmm.
Speaker 10: Well, I do want to point out this is obviously
Speaker 10: one of my notes, but the idea of the Golden Child,
Speaker 10: right off the bat, this is this is an actual
Speaker 10: Buddhist idea, but it is also a theosophical idea. So
Speaker 10: I just want to be very clear that when I'm
Speaker 10: going to discuss that, I'm going to refer to actual
Speaker 10: Buddhist ideas, but I'm aware of the theosophical ideas as well.
Speaker 10: And I'm not saying it's bad because it's theosophical. I
Speaker 10: think we're a way, we're all kind of past that,
Speaker 10: you know, we we can look at things for you know,
Speaker 10: the values are truth that they may hold or the false.
Speaker 5: Said sure, sure, but obviously a lot of this falls
Speaker 5: around the ideas of Tibetan Buddhism. As the main character here,
Speaker 5: Axel Foley, they call actual, they call them you know
Speaker 5: something else in this film, but it's clearly Axle Fully
Speaker 5: and Chandler Jerl Chandler Jerald right, which is a nod.
Speaker 5: I guess to the the story that this is kind
Speaker 5: of based off of this crime noir story that involves Tibet.
Speaker 5: So I guess he went through some rewrites in Hollywood
Speaker 5: but end up including which I think is interesting because
Speaker 5: it didn't initially include a Satanic cult. That was something
Speaker 5: they added on along the way.
Speaker 1: Well, this is what's interesting to me. And when I
Speaker 1: cover movies, I usually try to like go from the
Speaker 1: opening scene all the way through the body of the
Speaker 1: movie to the title or the end sequence whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so my first note is that it opens up
Speaker 1: in Tibet, and the significance of Tibet. I feel like
Speaker 1: it's kind of obvious, just because there have been so
Speaker 1: many occultists who were inspired or channeled beings that were
Speaker 1: from Tibet, including Madam Blovotsky, Alster Crowley, Alice Bailey. They
Speaker 1: all said that they channeled beings, Tibetan beings, and there
Speaker 1: was even an expedition. Hitler actually put together this expedition
Speaker 1: and it was like some of the best soldiers he
Speaker 1: had and he sent them to Tibet and that's where
Speaker 1: they brought back the sigill Er symbol of the swastika,
Speaker 1: and they hijacked it to do what they did with it.
Speaker 1: But so Hitler, Madam Blovotsky, Alster Crowley, and Alice Bailey
Speaker 1: all had an obsession with Tibet.
Speaker 5: Don't forget rich Peg. The list goes on, right, the
Speaker 5: list goes on. Yes, there is the strangeascination with the
Speaker 5: you know it's a bet.
Speaker 10: Well, I'll add this because obviously I practiced paultrana, so
Speaker 10: I will say it's it's sorcery. I mean, like, if
Speaker 10: you're interested in magic, it's a it's a real right system,
Speaker 10: and it combined Buddhist but it's all Buddhist ideas, so
Speaker 10: you're not really judas wizards, right, So you're you're using
Speaker 10: your mind. You're using the conceptual ideas of sorcery, especially
Speaker 10: like that. You know, every we always laugh, I always tease,
Speaker 10: like the dharma practitioners who aren't Asian because obviously I'm
Speaker 10: half half, so we call them Westoids. So I'm just
Speaker 10: gonna use that really quickly. But it's not in a
Speaker 10: pejorative but there.
Speaker 5: Is sounds like, bro, what are you talking about that pejorative?
Speaker 10: Well, it's because I'm a westjoyd too, really right, because like.
Speaker 5: You know, your self identified Westward. It just sounds it
Speaker 5: sounds like a negative, you know, some sort of negative
Speaker 5: derogatory statement.
Speaker 10: Right, you're absolutely, but I think that we that I
Speaker 10: like the idea that it could be, like you could say,
Speaker 10: the word is like just a vessel that it can contain,
Speaker 10: like any idea that we want. So I'm like being
Speaker 10: very discordion I guess by self referentially using it.
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna lie to you, jen you could convince
Speaker 5: me you just made that word up. I have no idea.
Speaker 5: I have the first time I've.
Speaker 10: Ever heard it, so it's very online. It's very like
Speaker 10: probably is it ken It isn't keno keino? It definitely
Speaker 10: to me that word too recently. I still I haven't
Speaker 10: really grasped the concept. That's what to keep asking, is
Speaker 10: that keno? You know? So you know, you always say
Speaker 10: it's like it's true keino. That's the real that's the
Speaker 10: real way to do it. And if you're really cool
Speaker 10: like me, you do the U you do with a V,
Speaker 10: so you do like true keino, but it's all lowercase,
Speaker 10: and then you do like ko ki n o.
Speaker 5: I appreciate, but I'm not sure if I'm many closer
Speaker 5: to understanding what is or is not kenus. I probably
Speaker 5: can contain to ask these questions.
Speaker 10: It just means is it really aesthetic? Is it beautiful?
Speaker 10: Is it like capture ring? I kind of the light
Speaker 10: has to be captured in a specific way, you can
Speaker 10: almost say, a realistic way. There's like filtered through, like
Speaker 10: layers of maybe their gradients of color on the screen.
Speaker 10: So it's like anything that's really beautiful, like a sunset,
Speaker 10: can be very keen. Now that doesn't have to be
Speaker 10: on screen.
Speaker 5: I think I'd be cracking. I have a very keynote
Speaker 5: scene on deck here force in a few minutes from
Speaker 5: the film. I think, I think when I bring it up,
Speaker 5: I think you'll know what I'm talking about. So this
Speaker 5: the film goes into bed right, so we already automatically
Speaker 5: right at the start of the film, we see this
Speaker 5: Tibetan Buddhism is the is the root of this the
Speaker 5: story with this this young child, right they you know,
Speaker 5: they're they're they're he's hanging out in the temple right
Speaker 5: when we get when he gets uh, what do we
Speaker 5: call it kidnapped or budden appt what do we call
Speaker 5: on this?
Speaker 1: Yeah, kidnapped.
Speaker 5: It's not a Buddha alert on everyone's cell phones.
Speaker 1: Golden napped?
Speaker 5: Well, get my deities mixed up?
Speaker 3: Jen?
Speaker 5: Is it not at alert?
Speaker 10: He You could say he's a he's like a tolku,
Speaker 10: which Tolku is like a reincarnated lama. It's like a
Speaker 10: lama from a previous rebirth or or a saint or
Speaker 10: a Maha sitter or an accomplished master. And so not
Speaker 10: all schools of Tibetan Buddhism believe in it, but this
Speaker 10: film in particular is very syncretic. Now it is really
Speaker 10: important to know that the consultant Ken McLeod wrote a
Speaker 10: like it's famous in Badriana circle. So he wrote the
Speaker 10: magic of Adriana. So he he gets it. He even
Speaker 10: says like I have the wisdom and understanding like he
Speaker 10: that's the exact words he uses. So he gets it,
Speaker 10: like he's like he's in that clear view whatever he
Speaker 10: calls it like a lot of the time anyway, So
Speaker 10: he he did not train in the specific school that
Speaker 10: practices excuse me, sorry, that believes in Tolku's But obviously
Speaker 10: it's drawing from multiple different schools of Buddhism. So you
Speaker 10: can see this in the first scene with the yellow hats,
Speaker 10: So this is the majority sect, this is the Golupus school.
Speaker 10: So when they're wearing the yellow tall yellow hats, that
Speaker 10: signifies usually what school they belong to. And it's also
Speaker 10: interesting to note that the yellow hats, the yellow hat
Speaker 10: Shamans are also a faction of Shamans in Mongolia. So
Speaker 10: a lot of this has like Mongolian kind of like
Speaker 10: central it's very Central Asian the whole thing. It's not
Speaker 10: just Tibetan, Like Tibet used to be a huge empire
Speaker 10: right at one time, so that's why it's kind of
Speaker 10: like it was a large land like that range really
Speaker 10: from Mongolia, Manchuria well into almost Western Asia.
Speaker 5: So is this a yellow hats you speak of? Anything
Speaker 5: new with the yellow dragons, Well, it is interesting the
Speaker 5: gang we see later in the film, it certainly could have.
Speaker 5: You know, Temmy Tongs runs the place down at the restaurant.
Speaker 10: Well, there's is clearly like an overlap. I think I
Speaker 10: think there's like a motif like dragons are not they're
Speaker 10: they're they're usually auspicious, meaning like lucky. So they're not inauspicious,
Speaker 10: but there are a symbol of like power and strength,
Speaker 10: and so yeah, dragons.
Speaker 5: And so we've got a lot of dragons here, and
Speaker 5: I don't we a lot of naugas for sure. You
Speaker 5: even have a half dragon half lady.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, there is one. Well, you know what it
Speaker 1: reminded me of actually, just hearing Gin talk about it
Speaker 1: a little bit, I'm like halfway retarded when it comes
Speaker 1: to like anything other than just like the basics of
Speaker 1: like Buddhism, this that like I studied, like the surface
Speaker 1: level of stuff. But what it reminded me of was,
Speaker 1: did you ever watch Avatar The Last Airbender? And it's
Speaker 1: like this kid that keeps getting reincarnated and he's got
Speaker 1: like all the power and they have to train him
Speaker 1: and he's born every like one hundred years or something
Speaker 1: like that. It reminded me a lot of the story
Speaker 1: of the Golden Child. For anybody else who watched that show.
Speaker 1: I liked it when it was like a nineties Nickelodeon thing.
Speaker 10: Yeah I'm doing right now, Julia, that's so really yeah,
Speaker 10: but yeah, that is what he is. That's a very
Speaker 10: good understanding of like he was an Airbender's he's like
Speaker 10: a rebirth of someone who had you could say, quote
Speaker 10: unquote magical powers. We would call them like cities or
Speaker 10: like spiritual accomplishments more than magic powers. And so he's
Speaker 10: reincarnated into a Golden Child. So that's worth exploring. But
Speaker 10: I'll let I'll let you decide where you want to
Speaker 10: take a JJ but I'm ready with that when you
Speaker 10: want to go there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we'll get back for sure. I appreciate that, Jim.
Speaker 5: We'll get back to Tibet and chronological order from the film.
Speaker 5: I think because they kidnap, we don't really understand who
Speaker 5: this child is, the Golden Child, right, we just see him.
Speaker 5: We go there. It starts off into Bet like you
Speaker 5: point out, Julia, and then this kid gets kid he
Speaker 5: gets booed and apt and then next thing you know,
Speaker 5: he's in Los.
Speaker 1: Angeles and that's where we get introduced to Chandler Jerrell,
Speaker 1: who is Eddie Murphy. And yeah, well I do have
Speaker 1: a just I like to point out though, some of
Speaker 1: the funniest parts in the movie as we go along
Speaker 1: and the opening of you know it shows like the
Speaker 1: Hollywood Sign and you know, like, okay, we're no longer
Speaker 1: in Tibet. This is the transition. Now we're in Hollywood,
Speaker 1: and it just shows him walking down the street and
Speaker 1: he comes up behind a guy reading chunky Asses at the.
Speaker 13: Y.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we don't have those anywhere doing the old newsstands.
Speaker 12: Right.
Speaker 1: I just thought I've always thought that was one of
Speaker 1: the funniest parts of the movie. He's like ass pie, right.
Speaker 8: I was like, yo. When I watched it recently, I
Speaker 8: was like, I don't remember that.
Speaker 1: Chunky Asses.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I didn't remember that.
Speaker 1: Because this is the moment where we first meet Chandler Jerrel.
Speaker 1: I have in my notes here. I looked at all
Speaker 1: the names, but this is the only name that kind
Speaker 1: of stood out to me. Chandler. That name means candle maker,
Speaker 1: so I don't know if that's significant, but maybe. But
Speaker 1: his last name, Jerrel means spear ruler or rule by
Speaker 1: the spear, So we have two different things. That kind
Speaker 1: of makes sense for why his name might be Chandler
Speaker 1: Jerrel because he's like the chosen one. Maybe he's like
Speaker 1: the light in the dark place. He's, you know, the
Speaker 1: candle and then he's the spear ruler and then we
Speaker 1: get in we see the spear later on in the movie.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think, you know, even down to the names,
Speaker 1: you can kind of pull cool stuff out of that.
Speaker 10: So to Piggyback or to Riff, I'll call it reffing
Speaker 10: our but it was a great point. And so the
Speaker 10: spear wielding thing is really interesting because I also noted that,
Speaker 10: and because that is the Golden Child, so in especially
Speaker 10: in theosophy, So the Golden Child is based off of
Speaker 10: the Puranic figure. So when I'm saying Piranhas, that's a
Speaker 10: kind of Hindu scripture that was written between about the
Speaker 10: first century eighty till about the tenth century. See, so
Speaker 10: these aren't the vitas, but this is what more, this
Speaker 10: is what modern Hinduism really is based on. So what
Speaker 10: people call Hinduism now is not really Vedic. It's really
Speaker 10: based on Puranas, which is fine, nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 10: So there's a Shiva, so everybody knows Shiva. He's he's blue,
Speaker 10: he's ferocious, he has three lines on his forehead. They
Speaker 10: worship him usually with a lingam meaning like it's kind
Speaker 10: of a phallic stone. Anyways, he has a son with
Speaker 10: his wife, whose name is Shakti sometimes and they have
Speaker 10: a son named Kumara, which literally means the sun. So
Speaker 10: he wields a spear in his right hand. Now, the
Speaker 10: reason why he does this is very important because he
Speaker 10: throws away the left hand texts into sort of the
Speaker 10: primordial water where they get swallowed by a giant whale.
Speaker 10: So there's an idea here that the Kumara, so a
Speaker 10: person who is thus reborn but it's really an avatar
Speaker 10: of this deity, can retrieve these left hand path texts,
Speaker 10: thus unifying synthesizing you could say the world tree or
Speaker 10: the universe, or conceptual mind with like nonconceptual thinking. Like
Speaker 10: it's like a theosophical kind of like christ consciousness sort
Speaker 10: of idea, Like they're talking about it like it could
Speaker 10: be literal, but then there's also an idea that it
Speaker 10: could also be maybe just a process of consciousness.
Speaker 5: Sure, sure, you know again, what's this theosophical stuff? You
Speaker 5: guys keep coming on? I saw you shake your head, Nick,
Speaker 5: What was this? What's all this business about?
Speaker 8: And I just thought that was interesting getting into narcissism.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what do you think it's interesting about that?
Speaker 8: So thinking about covering that myself recently, what.
Speaker 5: Do you think about that's interesting? Let's give to the
Speaker 5: story here. The narrative of the tales of the Golden Child.
Speaker 5: You know, it's a cult understanding of these things, right,
Speaker 5: because that is this concept of a golden child, is
Speaker 5: that in the theosophical folklore.
Speaker 8: I'm like you talking here, Well, this stuff is I
Speaker 8: would think the.
Speaker 10: Jin Well, it's definitely in theosophy, like it's sheep bulbots heats, definitely.
Speaker 10: Alice Bailey definitely talks about it like Nick Suit Golden Town. Yeah,
Speaker 10: and there's a it's a gnostic idea too, it's the
Speaker 10: seth or the atom, although in this case it's really
Speaker 10: the Seth because Seth is the sun. Right, So this
Speaker 10: is like a child, so they can't be generative, meaning
Speaker 10: that like a father is a fully masculine force, he's generative,
Speaker 10: but a son isn't necessarily generative depending on their age.
Speaker 10: So that's why they that's why they call it a child.
Speaker 10: So I mean, when when you guys have covered like
Speaker 10: the you know, we always talk about archetypes and how
Speaker 10: it's so important in magic that people embody certain traits.
Speaker 10: While child can be both male and female, in a way,
Speaker 10: it's heard they're hermetic by themselves because they're not generative,
Speaker 10: because they're child. So it's kind of like the perfect
Speaker 10: vessel if you want to think of it in a
Speaker 10: really theosophical way. The golden vessel is like if you
Speaker 10: look at Catholic images. I've talked to Nick about the
Speaker 10: million times, but like the Sacred Heart images. I talked
Speaker 10: to you JJ million times about this, But the sacred
Speaker 10: Heart image is the perfect idea of it. It's the
Speaker 10: golden heart. So that's the golden vessel, the golden child,
Speaker 10: and the Kumara. So the idea is that you have.
Speaker 5: You're talking like a rosen Krucian heart. Does that what
Speaker 5: we're come on?
Speaker 8: The roads the heart?
Speaker 10: Very similar? It's all very interrelated, like there's a I
Speaker 10: think there's deep connections to all these things. I mean,
Speaker 10: I personally look at everything more axial or I don't
Speaker 10: like the word perennial, but sometimes people understand what I'm
Speaker 10: talking about. What if I call it that? So yeah,
Speaker 10: I think they're all interrelated, and I think theosophy's lifting
Speaker 10: like a superficial layer and they're making connections. I don't
Speaker 10: all agree with them, but I don't fully discard it either,
Speaker 10: because I think that they're also talking about some really
Speaker 10: interesting and something also they are talking about like gnostic ideas,
Speaker 10: but they're also ideas, and you know they go beyond that.
Speaker 10: There's obviously this whole film is about TNTRA, but you
Speaker 10: could read it in a very sort of like theosophical
Speaker 10: Buddhist kind of way, like a sort of mixture of
Speaker 10: the two, and that would totally make sense too. And
Speaker 10: because there they all, all of them see this kind
Speaker 10: of backdrop as very similar, and obviously theosophy lays like
Speaker 10: a kind of narrative groundwork for them to build off of. Now,
Speaker 10: Ken McLeod was one of the who is the consultant
Speaker 10: for this film, very famous dharma author.
Speaker 5: Well, I can already he's a Scot's irishman.
Speaker 10: He is he is. He even has an accent JJ,
Speaker 10: but he he is. He was one of the last
Speaker 10: people to be trained in the pre modern Tibetan way.
Speaker 10: So he was like, there aren't very many teachers that
Speaker 10: were trained like that, like before or the advent of
Speaker 10: like cell phones, Like his teacher didn't even know what
Speaker 10: those things really were. They were told it.
Speaker 5: Was more of a genuine source instead of a kind
Speaker 5: of the bastardization of some of the concepts. I suppose what.
Speaker 10: You're saying right right, So he is drawing from like
Speaker 10: a real layer. Now he as most vent Buddhists are
Speaker 10: open to looking at seeds and other places, but it
Speaker 10: requires a high degree of discernment, just like it would
Speaker 10: in a cabalistic way. So you the whole idea is
Speaker 10: like rectify the words as they are or as you
Speaker 10: make them. And so I'm saying words and I know
Speaker 10: that's kind of meta, but the words are really important.
Speaker 10: And so this comes up a lot in the film obviously,
Speaker 10: because you see like the sigils, the Tibetan seed syllables,
Speaker 10: you see soundscript writing covering the walls. Obviously this is like,
Speaker 10: this is a big part of Buddhist magic is the word.
Speaker 10: So you can even hear right away there's even a
Speaker 10: relationship with shanity. So there's no there's really there's something
Speaker 10: similar between all the different kinds of magic, because that's
Speaker 10: really all it is.
Speaker 5: Sure, No, I have a couple I have a couple
Speaker 5: of scenes with some of that the schedules you're talking about,
Speaker 5: we can see some of that stuff. I know what
Speaker 5: you mean, Julie about the names and stuff. I definitely
Speaker 5: agree with you. One of the weird names in this
Speaker 5: film though, is the the valain here that the demon
Speaker 5: devil fellow old Sardo Numsa? Right? Does that? Does that
Speaker 5: name have any gnostic meanings in this Golden Child references? Nick?
Speaker 5: What do you what is his name? What do you
Speaker 5: make of the name Sardo Numsa.
Speaker 9: One thing I did look up is specifically with that name,
Speaker 9: is that him's his name in Chandler Jerrell. Both equal
Speaker 9: the same, both equal one English Jamatra.
Speaker 5: Oh that's interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was interesting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, some deep trimatria there in comparison thing, because that's
Speaker 5: a that's a weird ass name, right, Sarto Noomsa.
Speaker 9: Yeah, real, real quick, just to like even get some
Speaker 9: of my stuff out that. Yeah, you're talking. There's just
Speaker 9: certain things that got brought up that I want to
Speaker 9: try to cover. When you mentioned the I guess theosophy
Speaker 9: I started one of the things. The reason for that
Speaker 9: that piqued my interest is because I do think this
Speaker 9: movie has Cabbalistic attributes to it, and I do think
Speaker 9: if you're into that, if you're into the Hamitaka Bala,
Speaker 9: especially like put put it this way, if you're into
Speaker 9: Thalima or kind of like looking at the way Crowley
Speaker 9: would do.
Speaker 8: Stuff.
Speaker 9: You'll pull from different areas. So it's like you could
Speaker 9: use Buddhism as an image because you can still convey
Speaker 9: the message with the way things match up on the
Speaker 9: Tree of Life, you know, hermetically and cabbalistically. So I
Speaker 9: do think like you could, you know, be you could
Speaker 9: be using the Tree of Life and using Norse gods
Speaker 9: to tell the story or Greek gods tell the story.
Speaker 8: Sure, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: I put that in my notes to Nick. I think
Speaker 1: the exact same.
Speaker 8: Thing, And I do think what you're saying. Yeah, And
Speaker 8: I do think it might.
Speaker 5: Be today starring Keanu Reeves inspired possibly itself like the movie.
Speaker 8: One of the reasons is yeah.
Speaker 9: And one of the reasons yeah why I wanted to
Speaker 9: mention that you had mentioned it, you know, Jin had
Speaker 9: mentioned it earlier.
Speaker 8: And I was like, fuck it.
Speaker 9: Maybe I should have just got my jamatri and stuff
Speaker 9: off at the beginning because sometimes it can get boring.
Speaker 9: But he called me missed ninety three and then thirty three. Uh,
Speaker 9: golden Child in English equals ninety three. It also Saturn
Speaker 9: Vishnu moonshot, right, yeah, it equals cash. But tell, I
Speaker 9: found this interesting and I tried telling people this, this
Speaker 9: is why people were so obsessed with it. Hawked tua
Speaker 9: also equals ninety three? Uh it really yeah?
Speaker 5: And even hawked to it out of existence.
Speaker 9: Of society and Golden Child in Hebrew equals one to seventy.
Speaker 8: I found that interesting.
Speaker 9: You still get a seventeen and then in ninety three
Speaker 9: in a sense, and that does an equal moon lamb
Speaker 9: of God in hand of God in April. And I
Speaker 9: do find that interesting going with golden Child when it
Speaker 9: comes to.
Speaker 5: With the what's the significance there with April and the
Speaker 5: golden Child?
Speaker 9: Well, the golden child in my opinion, even when it
Speaker 9: comes to you Kabbala, this fhear of tifferent matches gold
Speaker 9: You know that's related with the sun.
Speaker 8: And the specific image that you can even use for
Speaker 8: that is a child.
Speaker 5: So I was gonna ask about images because what's going
Speaker 5: on here?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 5: I didn't want interrupt you, but I feel like there's
Speaker 5: a lot going on with this image.
Speaker 1: I said the same thing.
Speaker 10: It's really interesting, JJ, because you can say that throughout
Speaker 10: the film, they also refer to Eddie Murphy as the
Speaker 10: chosen One, So who really is the Golden Child? Like
Speaker 10: who really is the Golden Child? Is it just like
Speaker 10: a production outwards? Is that with that little Asian kid
Speaker 10: who is Filipino by the way, not even Tibetan, but.
Speaker 5: And and not a boy, that's definitely a girl.
Speaker 10: Well, it's very hermetic. I think it feels it almost
Speaker 10: to me is someone who's interested in like hermetic kabala.
Speaker 10: It does feel like a deliberate choice a girl who appears.
Speaker 5: As a boy. Oh oh, I see no, I wasn't
Speaker 5: even thinking of that, Nick nicks chacking? What do you
Speaker 5: all got on? What do you all got on?
Speaker 9: That would be very old like you know, I mean
Speaker 9: even even even the old man with you know, wiping
Speaker 9: the booger on his ship when he was outside to
Speaker 9: dud I think was it at one point?
Speaker 8: Was he wearing like orange at some point? That's even
Speaker 8: to watch it.
Speaker 5: I got that clip right here.
Speaker 9: I would even say, that's kind of like where jokes
Speaker 9: that would land to as well on whod.
Speaker 5: He's a trickster character?
Speaker 8: Yeah, well they've already he's a magician.
Speaker 9: He's gone there and came back, so he kind of realizes,
Speaker 9: like the world is a joke to a sense.
Speaker 5: This is the first This is the first time old
Speaker 5: actual Axle Foley meets this old wizard man Victor Wong.
Speaker 5: But you're right, he does have some o engine here.
Speaker 5: I think he's got some red. But which is it's
Speaker 5: kind of the same color as I was thinking of
Speaker 5: this back background of this image right of the.
Speaker 8: Left to that would orange black and uh red.
Speaker 5: Let's let's watch this this quick clip of when these
Speaker 5: two meet in the film. It's quite comical.
Speaker 6: Hey, wait a second. You take a hundred You took
Speaker 6: the hundred. No, that's no seed one dollar. See one
Speaker 6: dollars for you see the George Washington, that's Benjamin Franklin.
Speaker 6: That's not happening. You've just you got the wrong money.
Speaker 6: Can I have my money back? And you gave me
Speaker 6: the wrong necklace too, breaking my hot ass wipe?
Speaker 5: Well you speak English just fine, so a lot of it.
Speaker 6: Hey listen, man, give me one hundred back, take this
Speaker 6: down and take this to give me the right.
Speaker 10: One monkey breast puke face eat of turtles time.
Speaker 6: Uh, okay, tell you what, Just give me my shit.
Speaker 5: You take your ship.
Speaker 10: I watch Scotch pocket. Okay, you slick.
Speaker 8: Shit hits.
Speaker 5: That Victor Wong, he's a character.
Speaker 8: At some point when he's wearing his hat. I'm pretty
Speaker 8: sure he's an orange, like an orange.
Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe in this side of the Temple.
Speaker 1: I have that.
Speaker 5: I have that clip as well. He turns into a
Speaker 5: bird there, right, which I don't know all this bird
Speaker 5: stuff with the cultism or not or any esoterically, but
Speaker 5: there's a bird guide in this film and then that
Speaker 5: dude turns into a bird at one point, So I
Speaker 5: thought that was kind of strange, you know what.
Speaker 1: The first miracle though, that he performs at the very
Speaker 1: beginning of the movie is resurrect there's a bird, the
Speaker 1: dead parrot, but it's that parrot, the same parrot that
Speaker 1: follows him throughout the movie that the Wong guy transforms into.
Speaker 1: So he's actually the parrot from the beginning of the
Speaker 1: movie because if you, yeah, if you notice, like right
Speaker 1: as they kidnap him, that parrot fly out the door
Speaker 1: and then it follows him throughout the movie, and then
Speaker 1: he turns into the little Asian guy at the market,
Speaker 1: and that's the first time you realize the parrot is
Speaker 1: actually this shaman guy. If for lack of a better term,
Speaker 1: but I was gonna say, it's interesting that they chose
Speaker 1: a girl to play a boy in this movie, or
Speaker 1: however you want to think about it, because and then
Speaker 1: Jen said that she was Filipino and not even whatever
Speaker 1: Tibetan or whatever. There's whatever he's supposed to be. But
Speaker 1: m Night Shamalan did that same shit when he did
Speaker 1: the live action version of Avatar the Last Airbender, because
Speaker 1: it was supposed to be an Asian boy and the
Speaker 1: cartoon is like an Asian cartoon. I don't think it's Japanese,
Speaker 1: but it might be. But anyways, he picked a white kid,
Speaker 1: and he also changed the race of like all the
Speaker 1: different tribes and like made one tribe like people from India,
Speaker 1: and he made another tribe like all Caucasians. And he
Speaker 1: basically took the idea and he like switched it all
Speaker 1: up and made it weird, and people hated that because
Speaker 1: it didn't follow the story like the cartoon. But I
Speaker 1: do think it's interesting because it's like the same idea
Speaker 1: of this Last Airbender, you know, the Avatar, and he's
Speaker 1: supposed to be this, and that he took the character,
Speaker 1: made it a white kid, and then changed all the
Speaker 1: other races throughout the tribes. So I don't know, it
Speaker 1: could be significant in some way.
Speaker 10: Yeah, right, yeah, for sure. I wanted that's a great point, Julia.
Speaker 10: I want to just hit you up or riff off
Speaker 10: that and and talk about the parrot for a moment.
Speaker 10: And this is a really significant contric kind of bird
Speaker 10: because it is one of the well in Tandre at
Speaker 10: least it is considered to be the only bird that
Speaker 10: can mimic human speech. So it is the if you
Speaker 10: want to liken it to like a goddess that you
Speaker 10: can then google or look up an image of her.
Speaker 10: It's called Matongi. Interestingly, the rap artist m i A
Speaker 10: also had an album called Matonghi. So it is the
Speaker 10: goddess who is very tipperatic. So there's another tipperatic element
Speaker 10: actually in the naga kanya. So you guys were talking
Speaker 10: about before the snake woman or the snake princess, that's
Speaker 10: what she was, the dragon lady. She's anten. So this
Speaker 10: is like, this is a traditional ideas that a naga
Speaker 10: kanya can tell is like a prophet or a seer,
Speaker 10: like someone who has like because they're in both worlds.
Speaker 10: A naga lives in the subtle world, meaning like the
Speaker 10: spirit world, but lives or a person lives in the
Speaker 10: human world in the animal world, so she's like half
Speaker 10: and half, so she's like liminal, so she's able to
Speaker 10: access maybe more spiritual knowledge.
Speaker 5: Interesting, what are your thoughts on this? Common here we
Speaker 5: got Golden Child brings to mind the Golden Boy and
Speaker 5: Jade Girl of Chinese miss servants of the Jade Emperor
Speaker 5: who said to Guy the good people to paradise.
Speaker 10: This is a great Yeah, this is a book comment. Sorry,
Speaker 10: it's very it's very keyo. Yeah, well, okay, So the
Speaker 10: Buddhist idea is that it's they're the servants of guan Yin.
Speaker 10: So if you look at Daoist depictions, not Buddhist depictions,
Speaker 10: but Diaoist depictions of her, she'll be with the two children.
Speaker 10: So the Jade Girl is obviously that's the stone of us,
Speaker 10: stone of nut SoC and the and then the Golden
Speaker 10: Boy he is tiporetic, but because he's a child, he's
Speaker 10: it's like a ono for a ship like that, I mean,
Speaker 10: that's what that's what it is. He's like, he's he's
Speaker 10: going on the path from hoad to the Sun, from
Speaker 10: hoad to tifferent basically nice, you.
Speaker 8: Know, since we were speaking Cabala, real quick. I just
Speaker 8: was in there. Jj uh.
Speaker 9: At some point later on in the movie, this lady Keenang,
Speaker 9: however you say her name, she does have like a
Speaker 9: green I don't know if it's jade, but she does
Speaker 9: have like a green necklace on at some point. And
Speaker 9: I do think again because of the child, I think
Speaker 9: is is Tifferate. I do think that some point he
Speaker 9: Eddie Murphy is playing Hoad, and I do think she's
Speaker 9: playing Netsuck. And I do think you actually see like
Speaker 9: in a sense throughout the movie. I do think it's
Speaker 9: actually crossing the ambiss and coming back, you know, and
Speaker 9: fighting the demons as part of it.
Speaker 5: You know that story in Greens associated with that the
Speaker 5: color of green or the stone of or jade or something.
Speaker 9: Yeah, Well, to show, yeah, she would be Netsuck, which
Speaker 9: would be the which would be a female green sphere
Speaker 9: at the bottom of the tree, right underneath the golden child.
Speaker 9: And then you have Eddie Murphy, I think would be
Speaker 9: the guy on the left, the black pillar, but the
Speaker 9: orange guy, you know, the orange fear, you know.
Speaker 8: And I do think they throughout the story. I think
Speaker 8: they go up the tree.
Speaker 9: I think you see a progression going up the tree
Speaker 9: and I do think like the parrot or whatever that
Speaker 9: bird is, that rainbow bird could possibly be the rainbow
Speaker 9: that emanates from NETSC to Hoad. There was a that
Speaker 9: and I also, like from my own experience, I had
Speaker 9: wondered if, if it is a story of crossing the
Speaker 9: abyss and going up the tree of life, could that
Speaker 9: be like the rainbow bridge that you will witness before
Speaker 9: you bless off.
Speaker 7: You're following that the whole way.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a rainbow bird, very rainbowie mm hmmm.
Speaker 5: So we're talking dragon ladies, we're talking all this Eastern
Speaker 5: mysticism stuff. I got a clip relative to the film
Speaker 5: Her nineties one. In fact, it is indeed a clip
Speaker 5: from the film, and it describes all these things, the
Speaker 5: Golden childs, the chosen Ones, the dragon ladies. And I'll
Speaker 5: bring that up for us, right meow.
Speaker 13: So if something happens to the kid, the whole world
Speaker 13: goes to hell.
Speaker 2: The world will become hell.
Speaker 6: Ah not far from that.
Speaker 5: Now, listen, who we want to take the kid anyway?
Speaker 10: Those who want evil rather than good?
Speaker 6: Can you be a little bit more specific?
Speaker 2: We do not know what took him.
Speaker 10: Well, could you.
Speaker 13: Tell me why the people that took him and trying
Speaker 13: to make him eat blood.
Speaker 2: Nothing in this world will hurt him. But if you
Speaker 2: were to pollute himself with anything impure, he would become vulnerable.
Speaker 13: Okay, so if they if he eats the blood, they
Speaker 13: could kill him.
Speaker 2: Yes, Oh, do you have any other questions?
Speaker 13: As a matter of fact, I do. What are you
Speaker 13: doing this weekend? Because your silhouette is kicking Tibb plays
Speaker 13: in maraccas too.
Speaker 2: This is the Chosen One?
Speaker 5: Yes, I mean people certainly do put on a good show.
Speaker 5: Where'd you find her at?
Speaker 2: She's the labrarian of the city repository at Percossin.
Speaker 5: She was blown him to help us. She's at three
Speaker 5: hundred years old.
Speaker 10: How she managed that.
Speaker 6: One of her ancestors draped by a dragon?
Speaker 5: Does that happen a lot with your front? So three
Speaker 5: hundred year dragon? You know, three hundred year old dragon
Speaker 5: rapes aside? You know, we we got a good, good
Speaker 5: slight picture there on what's going on with this narrative
Speaker 5: here with the Golden Child and the Chosen One? And
Speaker 5: how how old the number three?
Speaker 13: Though?
Speaker 10: JJ?
Speaker 5: Like what's that with the number of stories? Yeah?
Speaker 10: Like when they're saying like three hundred she's three hundred
Speaker 10: years old. You could say that they're talking about Bena,
Speaker 10: or you could also say that time as I was
Speaker 10: divided by three.
Speaker 5: See, you had a good lifespan for a half dragon
Speaker 5: half human. What's the average lifespan there?
Speaker 10: I mean it could be like a thousand years could
Speaker 10: be I was gonna say.
Speaker 5: I feel like I feel like they came in. They
Speaker 5: feel like they came in short with the three hundred,
Speaker 5: So I feel like that might mean something right with
Speaker 5: the you know, they may have intentionally put it as
Speaker 5: three hundred for some reason, right, I had thought, so
Speaker 5: you're and your dragon should be much older in my opinion,
Speaker 5: so I'm on an older dragon.
Speaker 9: Even with her, I look at her aspect as almost
Speaker 9: being like gym Pa, you see this too, be Nah,
Speaker 9: You never really get to see her except for that
Speaker 9: one point. And again it's because she's more of like
Speaker 9: a voice in your mind or an idea. She's not
Speaker 9: really an actual image until you do see her. And
Speaker 9: then in my opinion, a lot of either sometimes some
Speaker 9: dragon or maybe a reptile like symbolism. I even think
Speaker 9: some of the aliens from the Alien movie is like
Speaker 9: part of the brain, possibly the hippo campus. So you know,
Speaker 9: then then again that would be the mind. You know,
Speaker 9: you're really just to get thoughts. You're not like an
Speaker 9: actual thing yet again you're she's behind something, you're just
Speaker 9: hearing something.
Speaker 8: Just what does that call?
Speaker 9: You don't have nothing to attach that to except for
Speaker 9: that silhouette that he found that he thought was banging
Speaker 9: or whatever he said? Right, and she plays the maracas
Speaker 9: literal is you gonna sub later around naked all day
Speaker 9: watching soap opera, smoking cigarettes?
Speaker 8: Associated?
Speaker 5: Yeah, he gets upset and he gets all about hurt, right,
Speaker 5: because he doesn't want to be the chosen one, right,
Speaker 5: he goes to take it out on the dragon lady
Speaker 5: amongst other folks. But right, this is just the picture
Speaker 5: of her upper torso, yeah, we never.
Speaker 1: Get to we never get to see the dragon tail.
Speaker 5: Well they show it, right, but it's like because he
Speaker 5: knocks down the thing at one point, right.
Speaker 1: Yes, right, did we get to see the hotel?
Speaker 5: It's pretty good, right, yeap?
Speaker 1: Yeap, Yeah, there we go the.
Speaker 5: Best image I can get. It's kind of grainy, but
Speaker 5: mm hmmm.
Speaker 10: So she reveals like who she is? Like that was
Speaker 10: really good, nick, I appreciate that.
Speaker 5: So what's the dragon mean for for Eastern stuff there?
Speaker 10: Jim, Well, it goes with what Nick was saying about
Speaker 10: being on like how it's like it brings you good seductive,
Speaker 10: so it like brings you closer and then it reveals
Speaker 10: what it really is behind the veil. That's how you
Speaker 10: could maybe describe it. And so she she's like a
Speaker 10: she would say that she's the wife of Rahu, who
Speaker 10: is the dragon of the eclipse. So there's a common
Speaker 10: misconception on astrology Twitter that somehow that worshiping deities of
Speaker 10: Saturn are related to side and like Collie remove Rahu
Speaker 10: from a birth chart. That's actually not true. I don't
Speaker 10: even know who came up with that. It actually densifies
Speaker 10: his presence in a chart that's like a very basic
Speaker 10: contract knowledge. So I just want to point that out.
Speaker 10: Is that where he's where he sort of So what
Speaker 10: I'm trying to say is that at Saturn, like if
Speaker 10: he has a Saturnian sort of vibration, he would actually appear,
Speaker 10: it would appear a lot more snakelike, it would be
Speaker 10: very serpentine, but.
Speaker 5: More sneak stuff than dragon stuff.
Speaker 10: Kind of, Yes, that's exactly that's that's a really good
Speaker 10: way to put it, JJ is that you would see
Speaker 10: more of a serpent, and then once you move away
Speaker 10: from Bena, you would maybe it would make more sense
Speaker 10: as more of a cosmic or mythical.
Speaker 5: Being because he's got a rattler on the back end
Speaker 5: of this thing. I was going to say that, mm hmm,
Speaker 5: what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: That shaker deal on the back. But you know what,
Speaker 1: I think that they use colors and weird stuff like
Speaker 1: that this entire movie. And I I'm not I'm not
Speaker 1: good enough with occultism to tell you what it means.
Speaker 1: But it's always like Yellow Dragon, biker gang and then
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, and then it's like I feel like
Speaker 1: they mispronounced things on purpose, and I don't know why
Speaker 1: that might be significant. Like the main bad guy, Sarto numpspah,
Speaker 1: he can't say, he can't say he's like miss d
Speaker 1: Yarral anything that already, but he he also can't you know,
Speaker 1: it says like he's supposed to find the cross dagger
Speaker 1: of a Jaunty and he goes the cross dagger of
Speaker 1: a Yanti. Like he can't say, he can't say.
Speaker 5: Gang should have you are correct about that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so I thought that was agree.
Speaker 5: He's pretty he's pretty uh you know, as far as
Speaker 5: villains go, he's a pretty good villain.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a ginger. Of course, they make the ginger
Speaker 1: the bad guy every single freaking time.
Speaker 5: Gingers have no soult, So I mean it makes sense
Speaker 5: he would play.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, JJ, I take that personally.
Speaker 5: But I'm half ginger, Julia, I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, like, you know, it's a perfect role
Speaker 5: for him, right, he's.
Speaker 1: A ginger, right right, Yeah, But so I think to
Speaker 1: back up a little bit, like Sure Chandler, he's like
Speaker 1: on this talk show and he says he's looking for
Speaker 1: this sixteen year old girl. And that's another moment. Okay,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, like, that's at the beginning of
Speaker 1: the movie, but the rest of it, like the blood
Speaker 1: sacrificing and all that stuff, won't make sense until we
Speaker 1: mentioned the part where he's like, that's how he gets
Speaker 1: in introduce it to the stories. He goes on this
Speaker 1: talk show and he says he's looking for Eryl Moseley
Speaker 1: or whatever her name is.
Speaker 5: Yes, ma'am, yeah, and if I, if I may, I
Speaker 5: thank you for kicking this off. I got that clip
Speaker 5: right here if we can, we can watch that here
Speaker 5: for the folks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so hilarious.
Speaker 5: Pack some of this because this is the cross section, right.
Speaker 5: So they came from Tibet to Los Angeles and they
Speaker 5: were just talking about not eating not eating blood. This
Speaker 5: is the cross section of the boot Tibetan Buddhism and
Speaker 5: the Satanism here in America. Cross section here in Los Angeles.
Speaker 5: Here with this clip. Now, let's let's talk about tortoises. Judy,
Speaker 5: what have we got here? This is great.
Speaker 10: Oh, this is Teddy and he's eighty years old. We're
Speaker 10: eighty dark.
Speaker 5: He's one man.
Speaker 4: Teddy can kissed my ass.
Speaker 3: Listen.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to find this girl.
Speaker 10: Okay. Her name is Cheryl Mosley.
Speaker 4: She was last seen on Violin down in North Floud
Speaker 4: with you out in a sweater and a skirt. I'd
Speaker 4: appreciate if you're contacting me at four sixteight eight point
Speaker 4: nine two. I could come shut up man, if she
Speaker 4: had any information that leads to the finding of this girl.
Speaker 8: I'd appreciated your contact me.
Speaker 5: Yo.
Speaker 4: Hey, if you don't put the camera out, bust your
Speaker 4: ass man. Lead the camera on show Mosley Chandler Joe
Speaker 4: twenty Files the eight point nine two that you can
Speaker 4: talk about whatever you want to talk about with the
Speaker 4: toy set and when that excuse.
Speaker 5: So that's that's how Chandler Jerald gets ripped in here
Speaker 5: as the chosen One because homegirl there, martial arts expert
Speaker 5: and mysterious wizard lady. She's a finds them.
Speaker 10: She's a zacchini.
Speaker 5: What is this?
Speaker 7: What is it?
Speaker 5: A zucchini?
Speaker 10: She's a jicchini. She's like a yoga practitioner. And she's
Speaker 10: obviously like gained some cities, like some accomplishments.
Speaker 5: She's got skill sets. You got some skills.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's a real badass and you know when I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's time for me to say it
Speaker 1: just yet, but in classic eighties style, one of the
Speaker 1: first scenes where she's like going off with her bad
Speaker 1: ass ory, of course, she has to kick a fucking
Speaker 1: pipe down in her tit they're all wet and flopping
Speaker 1: around and stuff, and her nips are showing through her shirt.
Speaker 1: Is like classic eighties uh, you know, but she's actually
Speaker 1: was that.
Speaker 5: The Yellow Dragons fight?
Speaker 11: Was that?
Speaker 10: Was? That? Was that?
Speaker 5: The same fight when they give the Yellow Dragons.
Speaker 1: Yes, but I actually yeah, had you seen her in
Speaker 1: any other movies?
Speaker 5: No, I don't think I have sense either, quite honestly.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 10: And she's so cute.
Speaker 5: She's so cute, The Golden Boy Girl, the Golden Child
Speaker 5: that they didn't act again either, apparently this was their
Speaker 5: only film.
Speaker 1: Sure, But so I was gonna mention because I said, like,
Speaker 1: I feel like they use colors a lot, like with
Speaker 1: the Yellow Dragon and.
Speaker 13: This and that.
Speaker 1: If you really go back and watch the movie and
Speaker 1: you count how many times they use blue, it just
Speaker 1: is weird to me because like even that clip you
Speaker 1: just showed the talk show, the curtain in the background
Speaker 1: is blue. He's wearing a blue blue shirt. And then
Speaker 1: at the end the well, there's a lot of blue
Speaker 1: in the middle, but like at the end, like two
Speaker 1: or three of the characters are all wearing blue shirts.
Speaker 1: And so I don't know if that's significant in some way,
Speaker 1: but I think the colors are a big deal.
Speaker 5: No, I'm truly are sure.
Speaker 10: Sorry, JJ, go ahead, Jane, that was great noticing Julia.
Speaker 10: Let me just say, even when he says bring the
Speaker 10: camera back over here, like look at me, and he's
Speaker 10: wearing that black leather jacket that really stood out to me.
Speaker 10: It's very bana. But he's also in the blue. Like
Speaker 10: Julia said, she's really pulling focus towards him, and she's
Speaker 10: wearing like red. It's very geberratic, like Marshall, but she's
Speaker 10: perceiving him. And as Julia said, it's not just him
Speaker 10: that has the blue shirt, but it's also the background
Speaker 10: of the talk show. And then when it zooms out
Speaker 10: you can see it and it's like, so it's like
Speaker 10: the whole idea is like you're standing at Gaba, you're
Speaker 10: looking at you're in the fire, but then you're looking
Speaker 10: at the ocean and you can see yourself and then
Speaker 10: you're look you can you acknowledge what it is, but
Speaker 10: it doesn't necessarily appear as you right, And that's sort
Speaker 10: of the that's a very magic I'm sorry that was
Speaker 10: very meta, but that is kind of what it's like.
Speaker 10: It's like there's an interaction with perception that happens between
Speaker 10: the ocean and the water and the fire. You could
Speaker 10: say that. So that's kind of what they represent, and
Speaker 10: but they reverse the poles. You see that usually you
Speaker 10: would have a more masculine figure at Mars or goeverra
Speaker 10: and a feminine figure has said, but not, you don't
Speaker 10: have to, so.
Speaker 5: You're playing they're playing gender games like the Day with
Speaker 5: the Golden Child. Is that what you're telling me?
Speaker 10: Well, it's interesting because it's like she's the one in perception.
Speaker 10: He's just saying, you know, bring the camera towards me,
Speaker 10: let me be amplify or magnetize this girl's story like
Speaker 10: outward and but she's like, but what she's focused on
Speaker 10: is him, So she's singular in her view, where he's
Speaker 10: expanded sev very much.
Speaker 9: If you want to think about it, JJ a really
Speaker 9: good way to explain it. I think even with this,
Speaker 9: if you want to make it cabalistically, which I think
Speaker 9: Gin is doing a real good job, I would you know,
Speaker 9: include the chess head again. Even a projecting or expansive
Speaker 9: if you took a light bulb, the light that shining
Speaker 9: out of it would be kind of like male energy,
Speaker 9: and the light bulb itself will kind of be the
Speaker 9: feminine energy and the male energy sound sight is coming
Speaker 9: out of it. It's a good analogy, projective projective that
Speaker 9: that would be like a so I I even think
Speaker 9: when he was saying about him in a sense if
Speaker 9: you think about it. She sees him then, and I
Speaker 9: would say he is very much chested at that point,
Speaker 9: very expansive, very powerful, loud being seen you know by
Speaker 9: a lot.
Speaker 8: It's on TV.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 9: She sees him, She sees him, and then basically she
Speaker 9: takes him and brings him wherever he's got to go.
Speaker 8: It's very magnetic.
Speaker 9: Well, well, playing the side of the yeah, well she
Speaker 9: chose him, She chose him. Yeah, and then she pulls
Speaker 9: him very very magnetically like the left pillar. She now
Speaker 9: fucking pulls him all the way to her side.
Speaker 1: So what.
Speaker 10: We're supposed to Julia ahead, I just want to say,
Speaker 10: what next? Thing is really profound because that is even
Speaker 10: the idea is that Takini will lead you through experiences
Speaker 10: you as the witness or the perceiver, rather than it's
Speaker 10: not just all your will. It's like there's part of
Speaker 10: it that is a little bit other power is what
Speaker 10: we would call it. So it's like generative outside of you.
Speaker 10: Maybe it is you, but maybe it isn't. It's kind
Speaker 10: of like an inter social moment. So I don't know.
Speaker 5: This is how it happens. Right, she signs him up
Speaker 5: for all these things, right, because she sees on the TV.
Speaker 10: Right, Yeah, she has to select him as a partner
Speaker 10: as the one right exactly.
Speaker 8: And sorry I was interrupting. You go ahead. I just
Speaker 8: want to don't want to forget.
Speaker 10: No, no, no, please please, I'm done.
Speaker 8: What I was saying before.
Speaker 9: In the video, I do think that they both play
Speaker 9: the princess and the and the prince the hod and
Speaker 9: that suck, but they both are going to play the
Speaker 9: king and the queen at one point. And I do
Speaker 9: think at Chessa, when she's seeing him, she's seeing the
Speaker 9: king in that that that hold is going to become
Speaker 9: going up the tree. She already sees it in him,
Speaker 9: so that's why she picks him. That sounds a little
Speaker 9: a little much, but I do think that's the kind
Speaker 9: of part of it that makes total sound.
Speaker 5: His old nooms is he pronounced the stuff and Hebrew
Speaker 5: stuff kabala wise.
Speaker 8: I was wondering about that. But the whole reason why
Speaker 8: he doesn't say the jay.
Speaker 10: Well, there's no there's no ja in Hebrew, so you wouldn't.
Speaker 10: That's that's even a thing in magic.
Speaker 5: Like That's why it's mister pronouncing Yero, right, he's got
Speaker 5: instead of Gerald.
Speaker 10: Well, you could say it's like the electification of the
Speaker 10: Jay almost like you could say it's like how they
Speaker 10: say Ihovah instead of Jehovah, so that you can even
Speaker 10: hear in that there's a distinction obviously, and like maybe
Speaker 10: what God you're referring to, I'm not saying that. I'm
Speaker 10: just saying that's how people think of it, or like
Speaker 10: what like Covenant and hold, like that's obviously very mythric,
Speaker 10: but I think, yeah, I think that's kind of in
Speaker 10: line with the general magical sort of orders and how
Speaker 10: they view the world.
Speaker 1: We put out just really quick, they pointed out because
Speaker 1: the two things. And this is why it's important because
Speaker 1: when you when you watch this movie and I said, oh, Luke,
Speaker 1: there he's wearing a blue shirt and he's got the
Speaker 1: blue curtain behind him him and you know she's wearing
Speaker 1: the red or whatever. And Jen did a great job
Speaker 1: explaining that. But if you if you listen to like
Speaker 1: the dialogue in these scenes, it's on purpose they because
Speaker 1: the talk show hosts comments on what he's wearing and
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, look at your outfit. I love your hats,
Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, attention to what he's wearing. And
Speaker 1: then in another scene, Chandler Jerrel calls Sarto out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: He's like, why do you purpose mispronounce my name when
Speaker 1: you know it's Jeral? And he said, I know. So
Speaker 1: he's like acknowledging that I'm mispronouncing it on purpose. So
Speaker 1: that's why I think, like, yeah, could we be looking
Speaker 1: into it too far or whatever? Maybe, but I think
Speaker 1: the reason they put those little lines in the movie
Speaker 1: is because it is intentional.
Speaker 6: It's like the.
Speaker 1: Wardrobe choices, the way that he mispronounces the name, like
Speaker 1: they even included it into the dialogue, is like, why
Speaker 1: do you insist on mispronouncing my name? You know it's
Speaker 1: Jerald And he's like, yeah, I know, I do.
Speaker 5: Boys, Julia, that's a very solid point. They have some
Speaker 5: great dialogue between old nupsy and uh channeler Gerald there,
Speaker 5: mister Gerrol. That is you know, there are some back
Speaker 5: you know some as far as the antagonist protagonist, they're
Speaker 5: not really doing a lot of duke in and out,
Speaker 5: but they are doing a lot. I mean, there's a
Speaker 5: little bit of that, but they do a lot of
Speaker 5: back and forth, just you know, gelling at each other.
Speaker 5: So they got some classic dialogue.
Speaker 10: Well, I do that sometimes, like feel I've I've discussed
Speaker 10: it on lives before that it's a it's an old
Speaker 10: discordinging like a chaos magician trick. You mispronounce things or
Speaker 10: you create. Something I'm more fond of is you create
Speaker 10: compound words that are totally brand new for your use.
Speaker 10: So an example of that, Westoid is that what you
Speaker 10: did to me with western up with that. That's something
Speaker 10: from the Zoomer Twitter. I'm about ten years too old
Speaker 10: to use technically, but I'll give you an example like clipolithic.
Speaker 10: People think that I just mispronounced it, but it actually
Speaker 10: makes sense because you're talking about like a stone aggregate.
Speaker 10: So that's like a compound word that you can just make,
Speaker 10: but it has to there has to be a logic,
Speaker 10: And I go heerent. So you can do that instead
Speaker 10: of saying like kleepa, which I don't have a prom saying.
Speaker 10: But sometimes there's an idea that the things that you
Speaker 10: say are the things you invoke, so depending on the
Speaker 10: context you're using at.
Speaker 5: So, well, that's interesting. I appreciate that. Jen is that
Speaker 5: also kenu?
Speaker 10: Is that kenu that is considered true keno?
Speaker 5: I would assume it would be. I'm catching on. I'm
Speaker 5: catching on. So we we were talking to Yellow Dragon
Speaker 5: Stuff and the crossover with intersection with Satan Satanic Cold
Speaker 5: Stuff in around Los Angeles. It's spoiler alert. We find
Speaker 5: out Tommy Tong, who works you know, is running this
Speaker 5: outlaw blacker gang who kidnapped this young girl that the
Speaker 5: channel Chaneral Yarrel is looking for. Well, he works for
Speaker 5: old Numcy. So we're about to find that out here
Speaker 5: right now.
Speaker 12: Oh Cheryl, Yeah, we sold her, I mean you sold
Speaker 12: you sold a cool to Tommy tom He got that
Speaker 12: restaurant down on Broadway and we traded her case of
Speaker 12: cigarettes and a quarter of pork fried rice.
Speaker 10: I would somebody want to buy somebody? He needed a
Speaker 10: girl what worked the steel out with the devil said
Speaker 10: he needed her blood.
Speaker 1: So much to say, I have so much to say.
Speaker 5: Please, I did forget that the parent clip which I'll play.
Speaker 5: He wants me to discuss this one with the you know,
Speaker 5: the parrot guy. That is how they got there. Was
Speaker 5: Victor Wong, the revived parent from the Golden Child, is
Speaker 5: the one who led them to that.
Speaker 8: How yes, m hm.
Speaker 1: So they do find Cheryl a little bit before this scene,
Speaker 1: and that's where he finds the bucket of oatmeal with
Speaker 1: the blood in it. Yeah, and so again I say
Speaker 1: this because I think it's important they chose an actress
Speaker 1: to play Cheryl, even though she's in it for five
Speaker 1: seconds and she's just a dead body. It's a ginger girl,
Speaker 1: and she's the innocent one. She's the sacrifice. But also
Speaker 1: the devil is the ginger guy. And it's like the
Speaker 1: masculine and the feminine, but they're both red haired ginger people,
Speaker 1: and like one's the innocent one, one's the devil. He
Speaker 1: kills her, sacrifices or uses her blood in this ritual
Speaker 1: to kill this kid. And you know, it's like an
Speaker 1: innocent ginger girl, and then the devil is a ginger guy.
Speaker 1: I think they do that stuff on purpose. And the
Speaker 1: only other thing I have to say about this scene
Speaker 1: is that at the very beginning, when they break into
Speaker 1: the house, they're playing a really specific song. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you caught it. It's by Rat. You know
Speaker 1: that body tar.
Speaker 5: I did not catch it, but please tell us.
Speaker 1: Okay, So the album that that song is on. It
Speaker 1: was Rat's debut album, and it featured themes of witchcraft,
Speaker 1: nuclear war, and global destruction, and that is the song
Speaker 1: that's playing as that scene opens up. So, as I say,
Speaker 1: if you look in the background, everything is on purpose,
Speaker 1: even a dead girl that's laying in the movie for
Speaker 1: five minutes that happens to be a ginger girl with
Speaker 1: this yellow dragon tattoo. And then you know the devil's
Speaker 1: a red haired guy. I think all the little tiny
Speaker 1: details actually matter in the long run.
Speaker 5: I agree.
Speaker 10: I agree as well, Julia, and I will say that
Speaker 10: sometimes in contra the deity and his car are depicted
Speaker 10: as red hair, but if you kind of understand, you
Speaker 10: realize it doesn't have to be red hair, because it
Speaker 10: can just be the sort of appearance of red from
Speaker 10: wisdom fire. So the wisdom fire would make the hair
Speaker 10: peer red, so it could be blonde or even block.
Speaker 10: And sometimes it is also depicted us up. But I
Speaker 10: think that was also a really good point.
Speaker 1: Somebody got the song right. Yeah, I couldn't remember the
Speaker 1: title of it, but I remembered the U lyrics. But yes,
Speaker 1: that's that's the song too, that's playing in the background.
Speaker 1: And I only and what struck me the first time
Speaker 1: I watched it, before I even decided I wanted to
Speaker 1: cover it, on a conspiracy episode is I hate that
Speaker 1: song and every time that scene plays, I'm like, somebody
Speaker 1: shoot me in the face. I hate rat shit.
Speaker 5: You're not my scene for sure. So before we get
Speaker 5: into the oatmeal blood stuff tall or before we let's
Speaker 5: talk about the oatmeal and the blood stuff. I got
Speaker 5: a video clip to tie that into the Golden Child
Speaker 5: here in a minute. It's what are your all thoughts?
Speaker 5: What's all that about? What's feeding all this blood stuff?
Speaker 5: About neotmeal?
Speaker 10: Well, before we do a blood and oatmeal, which I
Speaker 10: will obviously discuss a little, is that.
Speaker 5: And you've got to watch out. Victor Wong has got
Speaker 5: his wand out, buddy, What do you want to talk
Speaker 5: about before blood oaemeal? What are we talking here?
Speaker 10: Well, Victor Wong? Of course.
Speaker 5: So the orange red, that's what I brought this picture of.
Speaker 10: It's perfect, It's perfect.
Speaker 5: JJ did the orange of the Rednick was talking about earlier?
Speaker 10: Yes, So orange is a really important color in Buddhism.
Speaker 10: You could almost say it's the most important color. If
Speaker 10: you were to compare it to the tree, you would
Speaker 10: definitely say that Buddhism really likes hod as a starting
Speaker 10: position for anupasaka. Or someone who practices Buddhism. So I
Speaker 10: set at the beginning that the monks depicted were of
Speaker 10: the Gealaghpa, so the Gaellic school. He is actually a Nagapa,
Speaker 10: so he is a sorcerer. He belongs to the ning Musk,
Speaker 10: so the it's the old school or the ancient school.
Speaker 10: So they're allowed sort of more. They give themselves a
Speaker 10: little more conceptual leeway with ideas. And he can also
Speaker 10: be a householder, so he's not restricted by monastic vows.
Speaker 10: That's why later on spoiler alert, he gets called like
Speaker 10: a paternal name. So, but that's even what his red
Speaker 10: hat means. It's kind of like he wears the orange robe.
Speaker 10: Sometimes he would be a black coat with an orange robe.
Speaker 10: He would obviously be in turquoise jewelry Lapis Lazuli jewelry,
Speaker 10: and then he would wear the red hat, and that
Speaker 10: would indicate that he is also a Buddhist. He's not
Speaker 10: just a sorcerer. So there's just an idea.
Speaker 5: There, So sorry, let me flipped it on him. Where
Speaker 5: the they're trying to feed the Golden hilt some of
Speaker 5: this blood out meal here, it's got some of those
Speaker 5: schedules we were talking about earlier Jen with the there's
Speaker 5: probably a lot of stuff you're all going to see
Speaker 5: that I don't don't. I don't have the foggiest idea
Speaker 5: about so stand by police.
Speaker 8: That's a.
Speaker 5: I there's name, see you will eat.
Speaker 10: So I think it's really interesting JJ that the sigil
Speaker 10: in things like. I don't read to that, and I've
Speaker 10: never I cannot, but.
Speaker 5: I can, right well, I want second, J, hold on
Speaker 5: one second, hold up one second. I always want to
Speaker 5: see him do his telepathic powers here or I guess
Speaker 5: technically she the Golden Child said fuck your meal? H
Speaker 5: What were you saying there?
Speaker 1: Jin?
Speaker 10: I apologize, JJ, and I mean you're good for a second. Okay,
Speaker 10: So I apologize to that, but I can't even remember.
Speaker 10: But I'll just I'll start with the oatmeal in blood
Speaker 10: because that's obviously, you know what people want to give
Speaker 10: the people.
Speaker 8: What they want.
Speaker 5: So obviously that's a big part of the story here, right,
Speaker 5: That's right. They got a weeken the Golden style to
Speaker 5: kill it.
Speaker 7: So it is.
Speaker 10: It is a tontric idea, just like it is in Telima,
Speaker 10: like cakes of Light that obviously comes from Tibetan Buddhism.
Speaker 10: It's obviously like our trauma cakes. Interestingly that they use oatmeal,
Speaker 10: that's obviously a nod to I don't know how they
Speaker 10: make cakes of light in the in the Oto or
Speaker 10: any of the other orders, but in Tibetan Buddhism, it's
Speaker 10: made with barley powder. So it's barley powder starfire. So
Speaker 10: it's not the blood of a virgin, just to be
Speaker 10: very clear, and it's not even starfire as you would
Speaker 10: understand it. It's made it's like a homeopathic like eight
Speaker 10: times version, made into tiny little nectar pills. So and yes,
Speaker 10: it can also be other substances. And so the transgressive
Speaker 10: substances change the offering from like a peaceful offering into
Speaker 10: a wrathful offering. But and to end Buddhism, nothing is
Speaker 10: ever sacrifice except yourself, like not yourself, but kind of
Speaker 10: like who you think you are. That's the only that's
Speaker 10: just their symbolic offerings to represent sort of mental or uh,
Speaker 10: sort of like obstacles of consciousness. So you offer those
Speaker 10: obstacles of consciousness, but you put it in a in
Speaker 10: a vessel. That is the transgressive or wrathful offering. But
Speaker 10: the in and of itself is just a container it's
Speaker 10: not like the real thing. You're just using that as
Speaker 10: a vehicle to remove the obstacle. But the obstacle always
Speaker 10: comes from yourself, it's not from external source.
Speaker 5: Interesting, So what are your thoughts Nick on all this blood, oatmeal,
Speaker 5: weakening of this child, the golden child, to immortal mortal situations?
Speaker 8: Uh oh, look at a couple of different different ways here.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 9: Well, even when like Chin was going there with it too,
Speaker 9: I guess, like you know, kick of Lights that does
Speaker 9: have blood in it stuff, he was talking at his blood.
Speaker 8: In it wheat.
Speaker 9: I think it's just used in general or something like that.
Speaker 9: Grain is used symbolically. I think a lot, you know,
Speaker 9: just because it's cooked oatmeal, you know, think about it
Speaker 9: in the real sense, you know, you see stuff like
Speaker 9: that a lot.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 8: And then even with health uh huh heart healthy, probably blood.
Speaker 9: I And another interesting thing with that too, even in
Speaker 9: in Hebrew it matches golden and fool.
Speaker 8: There was something else.
Speaker 9: I was gonna bring it up before, but uh, I
Speaker 9: didn't want to get too much on the numbers. So
Speaker 9: like I even thought, like how that seemed interesting, how
Speaker 9: that like even matches like Eddie Murphy's character.
Speaker 8: But then also the kid itself.
Speaker 5: Again, and and then even in crossing never again right.
Speaker 9: And then even a blood and then in English matches
Speaker 9: this might be a stretch, matches Luna, but that chick's
Speaker 9: name also matches moon.
Speaker 5: I am one of the reverse of the symbolism of
Speaker 5: the sun too right at that right right, and.
Speaker 9: It matches full all the way around, and matches full
Speaker 9: uh in Hebrew and English and simple.
Speaker 8: All the way around.
Speaker 1: I read some theories about the Golden Child online, and
Speaker 1: also every every time before I do an episode like this,
Speaker 1: I like to check Reddit and see what people have
Speaker 1: said about it, and they did. To Nick's point, they
Speaker 1: always referenced that girl, I think her name is King
Speaker 1: Key Nung or something like that. In the movie, they
Speaker 1: reference her as as supposed to be a moon deity,
Speaker 1: and I read that several times in a lot of
Speaker 1: the Reddit chats, that she was supposed to be like
Speaker 1: a moon deity. So I just wanted to throw that
Speaker 1: in there.
Speaker 5: That's not my.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was that wasn't my conclusions. But I did
Speaker 1: see that several times on Reddit, people talking about this
Speaker 1: movie and what it could mean and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: That got brod a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I couldn't find anything on that specifically, But the
Speaker 1: blood and the oatmeal, I think it could be another
Speaker 1: thing obviously with Jin and Nick are saying, and just
Speaker 1: the colors, the white and the red, I think could
Speaker 1: be significant because out of all things to choose oatmeal,
Speaker 1: I feel like that's a little specific because you could
Speaker 1: put blood. I feel like if I was going to
Speaker 1: try to feed somebody something with blood in it, more
Speaker 1: creative about it, like vegetable soup, then you couldn't.
Speaker 5: You gotta sneak it in there. You gotta find a
Speaker 5: better source to transport that blood.
Speaker 1: That's like, why why oatmeal?
Speaker 5: You know, Yeah, it seems of importance, right the grain
Speaker 5: the oats, there's something's important.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like when he first digs the spoon into
Speaker 1: it and there's that scene where it's just oatmeal on
Speaker 1: the top and then boom, blood comes squirting out of it,
Speaker 1: and it's like very cinematic how they did, like the
Speaker 1: white oatmeal with the red blood squirting out so and
Speaker 1: then he even like takes a polaroid steincture of it.
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, the colors could be significant
Speaker 1: also if you want to get real surface level, like
Speaker 1: with the red hair and the white skin, the oatmeal
Speaker 1: and the blood. It's like, literally all the colors in
Speaker 1: this movie mean something.
Speaker 5: I mean, I like it. You got a lot of
Speaker 5: that red stuff going on in just the movie poster
Speaker 5: write the official imagery for the film, right, I mean
Speaker 5: some deep reds going on, deep reds.
Speaker 10: Well, I can offer a little something is that that
Speaker 10: was great to do because the white, red, and blue
Speaker 10: are the most significant colors. Like I said, orange is
Speaker 10: a really important color. Yeah, green is a really important color, yes,
Speaker 10: but the real primordial colors are white, red, and blue
Speaker 10: in that order. So obviously the pepsi can has like
Speaker 10: multiple layers of significance just through that. It's also you
Speaker 10: could say, like a sort of an agent of synthesen
Speaker 10: away because it's like bringing it's obviously a tin can
Speaker 10: kind of thing or aluminum, so maybe even has mercurialness.
Speaker 10: But then it's white, so it's kind of heeather. But
Speaker 10: you need other things to get there. So you have
Speaker 10: the hesset and the Gevra, the water and the fire
Speaker 10: coming together, and then the little bow boy at Hoed,
Speaker 10: that little golden prince, he's making it alive with his mind.
Speaker 10: So yeah, there's something very magic about that, And I
Speaker 10: think that the other I'd have forgot my other point,
Speaker 10: but you know, that was a great point, Julia and
Speaker 10: I agree. Also, you can you can make turma turma
Speaker 10: like rathul offerings. You can make them very gory like
Speaker 10: look because you you just like mold a cake basically
Speaker 10: out of barley powder and like little substance pills, and
Speaker 10: then you can make them like have eyeballs or tongues
Speaker 10: or like any of the wrathful kind of offering. So,
Speaker 10: like what Julie is saying, it's like a perfect simulcra
Speaker 10: like a you know, it's not quite real, and it's
Speaker 10: also cinematic, so it's like a crazy offering that spirting
Speaker 10: blood that they're telling us is real, but we also
Speaker 10: know as an audience is not really real. So it
Speaker 10: is kind of like a perfect contraed offering in a
Speaker 10: way because it's kind of like a lie of truth
Speaker 10: at the same time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think the three colors I noticed the
Speaker 1: most in this movie were red, white, and blue. And
Speaker 1: the Golden Child wears a traditional like little Buddhist looking
Speaker 1: robe throughout the entire movie, except for the very last
Speaker 1: scene of the movie where they put a red, white
Speaker 1: and blue shirt on him, and then Eddie Murphy gives
Speaker 1: him a hat that's blue and white, and so yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that they I mean, the whole movie, he's
Speaker 1: like got the traditional you know, garb and then at
Speaker 1: the very last scene of the movie, he's red, white
Speaker 1: and blue stripe shirt with a blue and white hat,
Speaker 1: and so yeah, I think that stands out, Like I
Speaker 1: don't even know why they put that on him, honestly.
Speaker 5: Because excellent point, though, excellent point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're wearing blue again. Yeah, the red, white and
Speaker 1: blue stripes in the blue and white hat, and yeah,
Speaker 1: I think the colors definitely mean something I.
Speaker 5: Don't want to miss. I don't want to miss gender
Speaker 5: this individual, not even in a translate, but that is
Speaker 5: just remind you that is a girl that's so crazy
Speaker 5: to me, isn't it wild. I was shocked to learn that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess they did that with the little
Speaker 1: girl what's her face from fucking such stranger things. So
Speaker 1: it's not the first time they shaved a girl's head,
Speaker 1: and you know, but they let her still.
Speaker 5: Be a girl in that, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: Like we're like Jen was and Nick were discussing earlier
Speaker 5: when he's playing in the gender role games within this
Speaker 5: occult you know, philosophies. You know, I kind of see
Speaker 5: the same thing from you know, like a surface level,
Speaker 5: like you were saying, Julia, When I look at Satanism,
Speaker 5: I'm like, well, they like to play this gender game
Speaker 5: a lot, and Satanism and old noopsy here. They call
Speaker 5: him the devil, but he's he's an oopsy, but he's
Speaker 5: kind of is the devil, right, I mean they don't
Speaker 5: classify it.
Speaker 3: But.
Speaker 1: He's a demon for sure because he meditates and then
Speaker 1: he speaks to the devil.
Speaker 5: Not even the top devil. He's like a like a
Speaker 5: lower tier devil.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like a like a like a ha the devil.
Speaker 14: Yeah, he's middle managment for Satan because he can't even
Speaker 14: figure out what the fuck to do.
Speaker 1: He's gotta go back and ask advice. Like I thought
Speaker 1: you were supposed to be a demon with all your
Speaker 1: demony knowledge and shit, and you got to go back
Speaker 1: and refer back to the devil all the time, Like
Speaker 1: you're retard.
Speaker 5: Like what am I supposed to do? How do I
Speaker 5: kill him?
Speaker 1: I don't know, stab him in the fucking face.
Speaker 5: No, that's a that's a great that's a great point
Speaker 5: because if you're some sort of criminal mastermind and you work,
Speaker 5: you know, this demon thing, you hire Tommy Tong, who
Speaker 5: pays some chow Maine to these bikers to kidnap a girl,
Speaker 5: what are what are these negotiations and logistics you're going through,
Speaker 5: your buddy demon? You can do better. Look at hold on.
Speaker 5: Let me let me just show you who Tommy Tong
Speaker 5: is here, because he much like Victor Wong, and they
Speaker 5: also start in Big Trouble Little China, the guy who
Speaker 5: played Tommy Tong here, But Tommy Tong was a liability
Speaker 5: and old Nimsey wasn't having it. Speaking role is more
Speaker 5: of a dying role, but that was Tommy Tongue.
Speaker 1: What is the rat significant for? Because they're listening your
Speaker 1: rat song and then Noopsy just turned into a rat, So.
Speaker 13: What is it?
Speaker 5: Beat me to it? You beat me to it, Julia,
Speaker 5: and I feel like Asian cultures have a different significance
Speaker 5: of rats than we do here in America. But I'm
Speaker 5: sure Jenny can add to that.
Speaker 10: Well. If you wanted to give it a really Buddhist layer,
Speaker 10: you could say the rat is the vehicle of the
Speaker 10: Lord of hosts or the lord of aggregates. So it
Speaker 10: could maybe give him like a materialistic Klepolithic, maybe even Satanic.
Speaker 10: But of course you don't have to I'm just saying conceptually,
Speaker 10: you don't have to take it like that, right, but
Speaker 10: you could say that it gives it that element. But
Speaker 10: there's also a really interesting element that's universe. All is
Speaker 10: that in almost every culture that I've ever encountered talking
Speaker 10: about magic, they will always discuss sorcerers being able to
Speaker 10: transform into black animals, so like a rat, like a dog,
Speaker 10: like a horse. All uh, it's cat is actually rare.
Speaker 10: It's actually quite rare as an idea that only women.
Speaker 10: It's more women can turn into cats, or they will
Speaker 10: say cat spirits, especially in a Chinese contact. They'll say
Speaker 10: cat spirits can live a very long time, and eventually,
Speaker 10: if they can live long enough, they'll turn into women
Speaker 10: that can like marry men and et cetera.
Speaker 5: So it's a lot of thoughts that in my process
Speaker 5: inspect But I mean, I like it. Just some wild
Speaker 5: stuffy just threw out their bud.
Speaker 1: I think that happened to me though. I think I
Speaker 1: was born a cat and I slowly born into Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I've always just identified as a cat. Like
Speaker 1: I'm always like, go far yourself, you know. People come
Speaker 1: around and I'm like and then I go hide somewhere.
Speaker 1: I'm better as an online presence. Yeah, I'm just offline presence.
Speaker 1: Don't come to my house though.
Speaker 5: You want to do online vampiing like celest the Vampire we.
Speaker 14: Just had on instead, I would totally do it as
Speaker 14: much as I don't have to meet a motherfucker and like, yeah,
Speaker 14: but oh so I was gonna say, I feel like
Speaker 14: there are undertones of like the Christianity story inside this movie,
Speaker 14: because the biker gang that sells the young girl for.
Speaker 1: Pork fried rice or like whatever, that's like the Judas
Speaker 1: couple of egg rolls, you know, and then you have
Speaker 1: you know, Sarto's is trying to offer a deal to Jerald,
Speaker 1: so it's like making a deal with the devil and.
Speaker 5: They chosen and all this clip was deal with the devil.
Speaker 5: That's yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I do think there are like the like
Speaker 1: Christian aspects of this, like someone betraying you and selling
Speaker 1: you for pork fried rice and making a deal with
Speaker 1: the devil, and you know, the whole kind.
Speaker 5: Of making a joke of the Satanic panic at the time, right,
Speaker 5: this is kind of the hotest Satanic panic, right, sure,
Speaker 5: I would say, so, yeah, what's funny because I didn't
Speaker 5: I don't I don't know what i'd put the clip.
Speaker 5: I was just looking for it. But speaking of all
Speaker 5: this satanic stuff, right, So in the satanic panic business,
Speaker 5: So Eddie Murphy did a show I think it was
Speaker 5: at coffee with cars Jerry Seinfeld, and he's talking about
Speaker 5: how he met Sammy Davis Junior there around the same
Speaker 5: time made this film sub mid eighties, So and Sammy
Speaker 5: day old Sammy d was trying to get him to
Speaker 5: join the Church of Satan, join the dark Side? Is
Speaker 5: he as held that he was talking?
Speaker 10: Well, hmmm, I think it's important to just note really
Speaker 10: quick that we don't have a Satan figure per se. Well,
Speaker 10: maybe that's not accurate.
Speaker 8: Don't have equal Satan. I meant to tell you that
Speaker 8: johnt equal Satan.
Speaker 5: Okay, the dagger, yeah, Johnty dagger, Yes, the Satan dagger. Oh,
Speaker 5: that's interesting, that's right.
Speaker 1: Do you remember what they said about it when when
Speaker 1: Noopsy meditates to speak with the devil and he says,
Speaker 1: the jaunty dagger is not of this world and it
Speaker 1: came from hell, so they could kill the Golden Child.
Speaker 1: Like it's literally from hell.
Speaker 5: And to make this hell, right, he had to eat
Speaker 5: the bloody oatmeal and make this hell, which kind of
Speaker 5: sounds like vampirism.
Speaker 10: Well, he's bringing the carnival ground to the little boy.
Speaker 5: The online's gone more of.
Speaker 10: Heaven, you could say. And so there's something really interesting
Speaker 10: even about the dagger since Nick brought it up, is
Speaker 10: that that dagger is actually a magical implement, but it's
Speaker 10: also a deity. That deity name is vajora Kumara. That's
Speaker 10: an older version of text, but or older.
Speaker 5: That's not a dagger, Jim. This is a dagger, Yes,
Speaker 5: that dagger.
Speaker 10: So it's a three pointed dagger, and it also is
Speaker 10: called vajor Kumara, just like the Golden Boy. So the
Speaker 10: dagger can also be a deity like it can also.
Speaker 5: This is also the Golden Child, right, but then you be.
Speaker 10: Then the whole point is like to proceed, like to
Speaker 10: not have a distinction between like object and perceiver. So
Speaker 10: you're kind of unified in the dagger and you can
Speaker 10: even see there's like a figure eight sort of thing
Speaker 10: that's a vajra. So like everyone always loves the vadra
Speaker 10: whenever I bring it up, So that's a vadra in
Speaker 10: the middle. But then it comes down to a single point.
Speaker 10: So at the single point should be your like will,
Speaker 10: but it's your will in complete emptiness. So it's what
Speaker 10: I'm really trying to say, is it's just it's a
Speaker 10: wand you could say, or a dagger. It can be
Speaker 10: both things, really, but it it can also be you,
Speaker 10: but it is not you, just like when you're holding it, playing.
Speaker 5: With it, like it's a dagger that identifies as a.
Speaker 10: Yes, like you could say, you could say the apotheosis
Speaker 10: of a person is the golden child. I think that's
Speaker 10: a very Christian cabalistic way to kind of look at it,
Speaker 10: or even a theosophical way, Like I think that's what
Speaker 10: Nick and I have both been like getting at is
Speaker 10: that it's like someone rising through the tree. But it
Speaker 10: could be like a real person, maybe a magician.
Speaker 5: Okay, pretty well, dagger.
Speaker 9: Even I don't want to try to get into it
Speaker 9: too much. I explained it a couple of well, a
Speaker 9: couple of years ago I had covered Michael Myers Halloween
Speaker 9: in the Nightmare and Elm Street, how I both thought
Speaker 9: they kind of both represented beasts in the both like
Speaker 9: possibly like Janice. And again they both you know, Freddy
Speaker 9: has the daggers kind of finger daggers, and the other
Speaker 9: guy is known for a knife as well. And I
Speaker 9: do see, you know, even when I was showing there's
Speaker 9: something in I think line two, in line seventeen, I
Speaker 9: think both associate with like Janus in a Crawley seven
Speaker 9: seven seven, and somewhere like I think a knife for
Speaker 9: like a crusser. Something along those lines comes up associated
Speaker 9: with that. And that was like another thing I was
Speaker 9: showing that I was trying to explain. And if you
Speaker 9: think about it in a sense, if you look.
Speaker 8: At the dagger now, it's already got the two face
Speaker 8: got right at the bottom.
Speaker 5: That's what I was just gonna say, right says that
Speaker 5: Yanus the two faces you see, they're right.
Speaker 10: So he technically he has five faces, but sometimes I
Speaker 10: vers three or one with a face above it, so
Speaker 10: it'll be like a little he'll kind of like a pot.
Speaker 10: It'll like represent like his higher consciousness the face above it.
Speaker 10: And interestingly, to go off, next comment is that when
Speaker 10: you look at him in art, so just Buddhist art,
Speaker 10: although sometimes they make daggers like this, he will be
Speaker 10: depicted in full form and he'll have wings, so all
Speaker 10: in it will look like very much like a cross
Speaker 10: or a crucifix. Maybe maybe not as it looks like
Speaker 10: it taw anyway, and that is kind of the idea.
Speaker 10: And so like Julia was saying, like raising something from hell,
Speaker 10: that he is the Adamantine's son, So that's another way
Speaker 10: to understand it, Like he's forged in hell fire, but
Speaker 10: he's a little more powerful than that. So you can
Speaker 10: see there's like a redemptive you could call it like
Speaker 10: a Buddhist arc or a theosophical arc, but I think
Speaker 10: that also parallels like the guy has to draw his path,
Speaker 10: the evil sorcerer has to draw his powers from like
Speaker 10: a worldly spirit. A spirit that doesn't is not omnipotent,
Speaker 10: is not omnipresent, just has a goal to become like
Speaker 10: I don't know more of this earth or whatever. But
Speaker 10: the Golden Child he sort of transcends all that. He's
Speaker 10: sort of above it. He's not worldly. So that's kind
Speaker 10: of what the dagger also represents.
Speaker 5: You could say, real quick and the chosen one can
Speaker 5: wield the dagger too, right.
Speaker 8: I don't know, Yeah, you can't ms.
Speaker 5: The whole measurement, right, Old Victor Wong's like, well we'll
Speaker 5: find out if you can get that dagger, buddon. You're
Speaker 5: up to the challenge.
Speaker 8: Real quick too.
Speaker 9: Even when I had covered the movie from hell, I
Speaker 9: showed symbolism in that about Janice and that's you know
Speaker 9: all about slice some motherfuckers up too with shit.
Speaker 1: That's a good one to do a breakdown on because
Speaker 1: there's a kind of stuff in there. One of my
Speaker 1: favorite Johnny Depps actually I love that one. So what
Speaker 1: do you guys think about him eating those little twigs
Speaker 1: throughout the whole movie? Do you think that's significant in
Speaker 1: a way.
Speaker 9: Yes, one thing I was going to bring up to
Speaker 9: with the whole blood stuff. It even goes back to uh,
Speaker 9: some guy in Pedocles from like five hundred PC. He
Speaker 9: was even stating that you if you want to do
Speaker 9: magical stuff, you're gonna have to stop taking him blood.
Speaker 9: You're gonna have to start like kind of eating like
Speaker 9: a vegetarian, and blood blood would be like it would
Speaker 9: just be a bad thing.
Speaker 8: It would be make you dirty. I can't think of
Speaker 8: the word right now that well.
Speaker 5: That's what makes it, that's what that's what they here, right,
Speaker 5: would make him dirty, he would be immortal, right he would,
Speaker 5: he would be of the earth.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and he he he goes on about eating like
Speaker 9: you know, stuff like that. So it makes sense that
Speaker 9: the kids like eating a plant. You know, it's it's nice.
Speaker 9: He's eating a vegetarian die my opinion.
Speaker 1: And the blood literally eating like one leaf a day
Speaker 1: for several days.
Speaker 5: And he could really do a lot of things to
Speaker 5: solve that problem with his magical wizard abilities. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 5: I saw him make a dancing PEPSI can come on,
Speaker 5: get out of here. This guy can find some food.
Speaker 8: About that too. With the eating.
Speaker 9: If in my opinion, like your I would think that
Speaker 9: maybe your senses this is hard to explain, but like
Speaker 9: your body's gonna have to start paying it, Like if
Speaker 9: to have a magical experience, you're gonna have to slip
Speaker 9: out a little bit. And I guess, like what if,
Speaker 9: like if you're thinking about if you're putting stuff back
Speaker 9: into you a body, it's gonna have to pay attention.
Speaker 9: Your stomach's gonna have to pay attention to the food.
Speaker 9: This is really hard and deep what I'm trying to
Speaker 9: explain here. But I do think like maybe they can't
Speaker 9: make fast. Yeah, it's almost like you're there's nothing there
Speaker 9: for your bidy to have to actually spend any energy.
Speaker 5: Sure, so you can concentrate the energy on magical stuff. Yes,
Speaker 5: it makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that does make sense. I didn't I put in
Speaker 1: my notes to ask you guys about it because I
Speaker 1: couldn't figure out what it meant because I I forgot
Speaker 1: about that little twig thing in his pocket and you
Speaker 1: pull it out and you just eat a twig a day.
Speaker 8: It was like a midleaf as a kid, right, I
Speaker 8: was like, this is all.
Speaker 5: Bear right.
Speaker 8: They put in gum to.
Speaker 5: Make it, you know, so we uh, we haven't. He
Speaker 5: went on quite a journey to get that dagger. I'm
Speaker 5: assuming there's some some elements of the journey that has
Speaker 5: some deeper understandings. So Old uh Chandler gar Old there
Speaker 5: goes to to bet. Well, technically it was again Mammoth Lakes, California.
Speaker 5: But you know, they did a good job and make
Speaker 5: it look like Tibet. But you got a clip for
Speaker 5: us here in that in that journey on to get
Speaker 5: this your dagger, my money. We have come to ask
Speaker 5: for the sacred Cross dagger.
Speaker 2: Over Jaunty for what reason?
Speaker 1: For the Golden Child. So that's the second Christ, right
Speaker 1: before a funny part.
Speaker 5: No, I got I got that coming up. I want
Speaker 5: I want to talk. I got that coming up, Julia,
Speaker 5: don't worry about it. So that's the Segret Cross dagger
Speaker 5: of Satan.
Speaker 10: Huh, Well, he's only Satan when he's like all over
Speaker 10: the place, when he's single pointed in his will. Then
Speaker 10: he reaches apotheosis. He becomes like you could Okay, I'm
Speaker 10: gonna use like a word. It's gonna get me in trouble,
Speaker 10: but it I'm just gonna say. Anyway, can he becomes
Speaker 10: Christ like if you want to say it like that,
Speaker 10: you can say it like that.
Speaker 5: It's okay, Sure, it's okay, Yeah, it's okay. So what
Speaker 5: are we looking at here with this whole scene before
Speaker 5: we get to that. I didn't leave out the funny part, Julia,
Speaker 5: trust me, I got that here. What are we looking
Speaker 5: at here with this whole scene? He's walking into spending
Speaker 5: these uh these pillars and you know, talking to this
Speaker 5: guy who's this wizard fellow slash bird. What are you
Speaker 5: all thoughts on that? Say that again, the whole scene
Speaker 5: he walks into here with his temple and he's got
Speaker 5: to spend his pillars and he's talking to the wizard
Speaker 5: bird fella, you know, egg shin, mm hmm. What's all
Speaker 5: this about? And then why would this why would this
Speaker 5: knife the house there? You know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 5: why are these are the keepers of the knife? Is
Speaker 5: that we're looking at here? These monks?
Speaker 13: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Uh, I don't know. I saw that part of like
Speaker 8: the Hero's journey.
Speaker 1: I put that it was the Hero's journey in my notes,
Speaker 1: but I grouped this scene in with like him having
Speaker 1: to carry the water and.
Speaker 5: The Yeah, that's what I was getting at. Yep, that's
Speaker 5: going across.
Speaker 1: The bridge and doing all. So I mean I grouped
Speaker 1: this scene in with the scene that follows as the
Speaker 1: hero's journey part of the story, which the Hero's journey.
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, Christ falls into the hero's journey things, right,
Speaker 1: So I don't think it's bad to say that.
Speaker 5: I think it's like an Archetec say that, Julia, you
Speaker 5: and Jen both can make Christ references here on Operation GCD.
Speaker 5: It's it's not banned, it's not censored.
Speaker 1: Well, say that dead?
Speaker 5: I think, huh, I said, even Numcy won't mind he's dead.
Speaker 1: I think, oh really, I always thought he was a
Speaker 1: good looking guy. I didn't know he was dead.
Speaker 5: Well, the actor, I think is alive. He played a
Speaker 5: villain last section hero as well. But yeah, here in
Speaker 5: the film does not need a good end. And again
Speaker 5: when we're I know there's a lot of Easter mysticism stuff,
Speaker 5: but I mean, it's hard to not see this through
Speaker 5: a you know, very Christian Satanic lens of the Satanic
Speaker 5: Panic era.
Speaker 1: Well, I am a Christian, so I feel like that's
Speaker 1: the only lens that I look through a lot of times.
Speaker 1: But I mean, I always love to talk to people
Speaker 1: like Jin and Nick because they get me to look
Speaker 1: outside of my own perspective on things and to understand
Speaker 1: like we can all be right at the same time.
Speaker 1: But it's like I always say, it's like a five
Speaker 1: layer burrito, and there's many layers to it. There's like
Speaker 1: many things a is that does that?
Speaker 5: Does that work out well in this In this perspectives,
Speaker 5: you can map it all to the tree for formerly.
Speaker 10: It doesn't really matter. You can honestly look at everything
Speaker 10: like Kabala, like you like what Julia is said, you
Speaker 10: can just understand that Kabbala is sickly and then there's
Speaker 10: no problems. So you can kind of look at all
Speaker 10: the systems and say like, Okay, this is what this prefers,
Speaker 10: and this is how to get there. But you don't
Speaker 10: have to agree. It's just just like you can look
Speaker 10: at it and say, yeah, this is the relative truth,
Speaker 10: so you're sure fine with that. So that's how I
Speaker 10: feel about like most other religions, not all of them,
Speaker 10: but like Christianity for sure, Like it's a Christian Kabala
Speaker 10: makes perfect sense to me. There's it's no problem.
Speaker 5: Joe's aside and dragon rapes aside. I think you know
Speaker 5: what I was getting at with the Satan figure here,
Speaker 5: nupsy here, you know, he he's They obviously have these
Speaker 5: satanic cold elements, you know, tied in here, like like
Speaker 5: we were talking about before with the Blacker gangs, the kidnappings,
Speaker 5: the you know, these these common tropes and understandings of this,
Speaker 5: these real world said euations that that transpired but are
Speaker 5: depicted here in this film. But what I always like
Speaker 5: to say also in those regards is like those people
Speaker 5: that are doing these things, they don't believe in Satan
Speaker 5: also was one thing I was. That's what I was,
Speaker 5: That's what I was getting at. That's what I was.
Speaker 2: Good.
Speaker 1: So you really aren't. You really aren't an alien Christian or.
Speaker 5: Whatever formally formally, what does that mean.
Speaker 1: That Jesus was terrestrial or what that?
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, you know, God loves on colop. That's a
Speaker 5: different story altogether. It's near the Star series.
Speaker 1: A serious guy.
Speaker 5: Huh, yeah, very very much.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 5: Now that was the first twenty two years of my life.
Speaker 5: I recently just surpassed the you know, I've now longer
Speaker 5: been not a Mormon than I was a Mormon.
Speaker 1: So, oh, Mormonism, huh, let's see christ.
Speaker 5: Sorry, j You're a good dude.
Speaker 1: That's good.
Speaker 10: I just want to say that Heidi already knows this,
Speaker 10: but like I kind of I'm very fascinated by like
Speaker 10: how Mormons think of like the tree and like what
Speaker 10: they're doing. I'm not I don't want to be a Mormon.
Speaker 10: I'm not a Mormon or anything like that.
Speaker 5: Sign up right now, Jane, let's get let's make it happen.
Speaker 10: I don't know enough. I don't know anything about it,
Speaker 10: but I'm just I just like it for the Cabala.
Speaker 8: The mothership.
Speaker 1: All right, let's ship.
Speaker 5: Let's last off. Let's let's check out that phony scene
Speaker 5: here though from where he to do another scene.
Speaker 2: There, said him, ask it, I see.
Speaker 1: What the night.
Speaker 7: Letty mask again, Kah, I want the knife.
Speaker 5: Please.
Speaker 7: Only a man whose heart is pure can wield a knife,
Speaker 7: and if you're such a man, you will have it.
Speaker 1: I love you did clips too, by the way, because
Speaker 1: that's what makes the movie breakdowns the best.
Speaker 5: I agree, I totally agree. Apparently YouTube does not agree, though,
Speaker 5: YouTube is not liking the the use of the clips.
Speaker 5: But I agree with you the clips.
Speaker 1: I was hoping you would include the clip where he's
Speaker 1: at that medicinal shop and looking at all the herbs
Speaker 1: and he's like, oh yeah, that's good to keep the
Speaker 1: yang up. And he's like, nothing wrong with my yang.
Speaker 5: No I didn't. I didn't. I didn't get that one.
Speaker 5: I know the one you're talking I know this team
Speaker 5: you're talking about, though. No, it's a classic Gatees Murphy, right,
Speaker 5: it's some classic Gateatees Murphy. But the this idea though,
Speaker 5: of this machination of this kind of satanic elements cult
Speaker 5: stuff in Los Angeles. With this Tibetan Buddhism stuff to
Speaker 5: me just rings the rings back to my you know, uh,
Speaker 5: digging through the thoughts of my brain.
Speaker 7: Oile.
Speaker 5: Here I recall at Sanders files, you know, the author
Speaker 5: of the family there, the Manson Family, the actual good
Speaker 5: book on the Manson family, contemporary to the actual crime
Speaker 5: there's not the Bogleos nonsense. But Ed Sanders wrote his
Speaker 5: you know, at the same time was writing writing his
Speaker 5: book there in the early seventies, and I think it
Speaker 5: was published in seventy four. But sanders investigation was yielding
Speaker 5: some results that seemed to indicate there was a imagination
Speaker 5: of Buddhist ideas, telemic ideas and theosophical ideas I believe,
Speaker 5: into a into a cold faction that was also a
Speaker 5: Cali worshiping cold faction out of Japan called the shing
Speaker 5: Gong cult, not Chin Gon, but Shin gone with the s.
Speaker 10: So this totally correlates to what I know of, like
Speaker 10: certain we'll call them like I guess they would have
Speaker 10: been like process offshoots or whatever, and so like Michelson's.
Speaker 5: What this was supposedly right, The Foe Pie allegedly was
Speaker 5: was this four gone cult.
Speaker 10: That's right, So I mean, I you know, this is
Speaker 10: the thing is that there was there were in Nepal
Speaker 10: during this whole postwar period. There have been Collie kind
Speaker 10: of cults that are like parts Tuima, just like you're saying,
Speaker 10: they're like parts of Adriana. They're parts Hindu like Tontra,
Speaker 10: they're parts like Satanism, their parts process like it's kind
Speaker 10: of a weird blend, but it's like taking the most
Speaker 10: transgressive elements of all of them. So pretty much that's
Speaker 10: what I kind of understand of them is that they're
Speaker 10: just like really so Collie in Tntra is related to Saturn,
Speaker 10: so that would immediately place her in Bana. So if
Speaker 10: you're looking at the tree as like a ten or
Speaker 10: eleven spheared structure, she would never go at Keather. She
Speaker 10: would always go at Bana, if you're really understanding what
Speaker 10: she is. So they're looking at it as like this
Speaker 10: this way to like it's kind of like the black
Speaker 10: cube matrix, Like everybody loves that kind of like thing.
Speaker 10: That's kind of what it is. But you're putting yourself
Speaker 10: in the box like you're putting yourself in the cube
Speaker 10: you're densifying the world around you. And so Nick brought
Speaker 10: up at the very beginning, like we were talking about
Speaker 10: Golden Child and like, I don't know, he said to
Speaker 10: Jamatri or something, and he said it was related to Vishnu.
Speaker 10: So Vishnu is related to Banah and related to Saturn
Speaker 10: very closely. So there's this relationship that you can sort
Speaker 10: of in Viishnavism, which is a kind of Hinduism, you
Speaker 10: pray to Vishnu through Bakhdi. So it's like considered to
Speaker 10: be like devotional love. You pray so hard that eventually
Speaker 10: it will liberate you or eject you from the cube
Speaker 10: or whatever it is, but it will take it supposedly
Speaker 10: will take you millions of lifetimes. So in a more
Speaker 10: tonic way, you would never get stuck here. But obviously
Speaker 10: these people, you know, they're really fixated on Calli, So
Speaker 10: that would be obviously a big problem from a Buddhist perspective,
Speaker 10: because you wouldn't just fixate on a deity or their
Speaker 10: name or you know, their ferocious presentation. Those are just
Speaker 10: conceptual ideas.
Speaker 5: You're saying. This is a unique, more of an extremist
Speaker 5: view of these situations.
Speaker 10: Right, Yeah, it's an annihilationist. Very dream is very very
Speaker 10: if you will, non Keno because it's not about embracing
Speaker 10: love or like the beauty of Maya, the beauty of
Speaker 10: the garden, or like you know, connections with other people.
Speaker 10: It's like kind of the tracking gin.
Speaker 5: I'm catching on to this Kino business. I'll get there eventually, but.
Speaker 10: You're you're so the Keno thing is to love the
Speaker 10: world and like accept it for what it is. And
Speaker 10: then their view is to like they're kind of calvinist
Speaker 10: almost in their way. They're like, we're going to degrade
Speaker 10: the world. We're going to do all the sin in
Speaker 10: the world, and we're going to make it like from
Speaker 10: the ashes. We're going to remake it. But you don't
Speaker 10: really get to control the cosmic cycle. That's a more
Speaker 10: Buddhist view. Obviously, they do believe that they can like
Speaker 10: influence the cosmic cycle, but I I don't personally believe
Speaker 10: they can.
Speaker 5: JJ.
Speaker 1: Have you heard of the Thuggy cult that was doing
Speaker 1: all the Cali worshiping stuff.
Speaker 5: I think you told me about that somebody I thought
Speaker 5: I did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just covered them. I'm doing a new series
Speaker 1: on different cults. It's called Into the CULTI Verse and
Speaker 1: I covered the Thuggie cult and they were like Cali
Speaker 1: worshipers whatever, whatever. But if you really look into it,
Speaker 1: because like I always say, there's like a five l
Speaker 1: a burrito, the Thuds getting real hungry, dude, I love
Speaker 1: Taco bell ship. If you look go all the way
Speaker 1: back into history with the Thuggie cults, they could have
Speaker 1: possibly been assassins under the employee of the Brahmin family.
Speaker 1: And I know we just spoke to about the Brahmin
Speaker 1: family in connection with Tuesday Weld and the Boston Brahmins,
Speaker 1: and so like.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's we're talking Indian Brahmins because that's Kamala Harris's
Speaker 5: people right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the that's the same Brahmins that I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: So yeah, there's a level of like Cali worshiping or whatever.
Speaker 1: But if you really look under the surface, the it's
Speaker 1: all tied up in these weird royal bloodline families and stuff.
Speaker 1: So it's like you said about the Manson thing, it's
Speaker 1: more than just like the Buglios. Oh they hated cops
Speaker 1: or whatever the fuck he was trying. Its starting a
Speaker 1: race war. It's like, no, let's let's really look at
Speaker 1: this peel the layers back and look at.
Speaker 5: I think was they were too much Petchuli oil.
Speaker 1: Oh my, guess it went mad.
Speaker 5: From the Petulia oil. They had Madelio oil disease.
Speaker 1: They had Peculi oil.
Speaker 10: Bo stink, I like Peli, So I'll send up for it.
Speaker 10: Oh no, it's all okay. I actually like Betty verbetto,
Speaker 10: so I'll but no, you I mean, you're totally right,
Speaker 10: both of you, guys, Like you know, there is there's
Speaker 10: like deeper connections, Like Vagiana has a lot of connections
Speaker 10: to some of these obviously nexium and other things. And
Speaker 10: it's kind of like the old ideas that we lived
Speaker 10: in the Caliyuga. Like bringing up this idea of Collie.
Speaker 10: It's not directly one to one related to the goddess,
Speaker 10: but you can use it as an archetypal metaphor. So
Speaker 10: she's like very destructive. She's destroying the old system kind of,
Speaker 10: but it's also bringing things in. So her power is
Speaker 10: really magnetization, but it's the destruction through time. So you
Speaker 10: can think of it like traveling through space. You're degrading,
Speaker 10: you're getting older, exactly that same thing, and then you're
Speaker 10: gonna go to the carnal ground and become a skeleton
Speaker 10: and you know, like take on a new rebirth eventually.
Speaker 10: So that's what she's doing. It's kind of like bringing
Speaker 10: you through the cosmic cycle. So that Julia was talking
Speaker 10: about these like Brahmin families, a lot of the Brahmin casts,
Speaker 10: so it's like a birth cast that you're born into.
Speaker 10: They do believe in this Vishnu figure, so they will
Speaker 10: outwardly pray to the vish New figure, but there is
Speaker 10: also a secret true that that you will do a
Speaker 10: Shokta Tontra or Goddess Tontra secretly at night, even though
Speaker 10: you pray to this like very orthodox heroic kind of
Speaker 10: like good guy. You know, he's the hero of the
Speaker 10: Bogo Gita. He's like, you know, he's the king of heaven.
Speaker 10: But at night you're doing something more transgressive, more contric
Speaker 10: more secret mystery called stuff. So yeah, I think there's
Speaker 10: a really interesting idea with that what Julia was saying.
Speaker 10: It's like kind of always like the ad, there's an
Speaker 10: inverse and then there's like it depends on how you
Speaker 10: look at it, like from what perspective, you mean, you.
Speaker 5: Got to look at it.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm both ways.
Speaker 5: Yeah, look at it. No, I think it's a it's
Speaker 5: an interesting when I was just looking. We're still up
Speaker 5: on YouTube there, Nick, did they kick us off? Just
Speaker 5: in case?
Speaker 8: I'll probably pull it down after this the left of
Speaker 8: the live.
Speaker 1: Though, because of the clips those bitches little one.
Speaker 5: No I said I won't. I was going to if
Speaker 5: we weren't. But yeah, I'm looking on both of our channels.
Speaker 5: We're still up yea programming there here. But let's uh,
Speaker 5: it's a good it's a good point to wrap this up.
Speaker 5: So what may I thank you all for your time
Speaker 5: this evening. First and foremost, I appreciate y'all joining me
Speaker 5: to do a and the cold and and or esoteric
Speaker 5: review of The Golden Child. Obviously I kind of gave
Speaker 5: the spoiler alert earlier Old Nipsy Dies courtesy of that
Speaker 5: dagger and uh, and any any closing contents I can
Speaker 5: pass off to y'all. Starting starry with you there, Julia,
Speaker 5: I appreciate your time, ma'am, great conversation, Thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just have a few closing ideas for the movie,
Speaker 1: and thanks for Yeah.
Speaker 5: Don't feel rushed. Don't feel rushed at all. But absolutely.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I was just gonna say I noticed that
Speaker 1: the movie begins with him resurrecting a bird, and then
Speaker 1: the movie or the movie begins with a resurrection, and
Speaker 1: it ends with a resurrection because he brings back the
Speaker 1: Moon deity if you will, or the moon goddess. He
Speaker 1: brings her back, so it starts and ends with a resurrection. Also,
Speaker 1: at the end of.
Speaker 5: The Moon he is.
Speaker 1: Bringing monarch butterflies back to life, So I don't know
Speaker 1: if anybody else caught that, but of course, you know
Speaker 1: the whole monarch thing, so I thought that was pretty significant.
Speaker 1: And then the house where they're keeping the Golden Child
Speaker 1: has black and white tile floors, So those were some
Speaker 1: of the main things at the end of the movie
Speaker 1: that I thought would be cool to mention for this breakdown.
Speaker 1: But yeah, like I said, I've been looking for somebody
Speaker 1: to want to talk about this for a couple of
Speaker 1: years now, just because I feel like there's so many
Speaker 1: litted bits in there that are cool and it's a
Speaker 1: hilarious movie, and it's for me. I like to cover
Speaker 1: nostalgic childhood movies that I loved, and this is one
Speaker 1: of them for sure. I watched it all the time
Speaker 1: when I was a kid. So thanks for having me.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, thank you for joining us. I feel the same
Speaker 5: way about the nostalgic movies of my childhood, you know,
Speaker 5: and this is up there with Goonies.
Speaker 1: For me, this one is I love Goonies.
Speaker 10: For sure.
Speaker 5: Now, thanks again, Nick. Do you have any closing statements
Speaker 5: on the on your review of the film, or any
Speaker 5: any thoughts or any plugs you'd like to to discuss your.
Speaker 8: H No, I mean I was.
Speaker 9: I was excited we got to do it because I
Speaker 9: definitely think it's a deeply occulted movie for sure.
Speaker 8: Uh yeah, I thought this was great. It was great.
Speaker 8: Everybody had great stuff to say. Uh yeah.
Speaker 9: Uh. Besides that, for me, the one thing that I
Speaker 9: just do want to push is in which I think
Speaker 9: we're all probably saying it anyway, I do think there's
Speaker 9: a cabalistic tale, and you know, there's cabalistic symbolism in
Speaker 9: this movie for sure, and I think you can if
Speaker 9: you pay attention and look at it with the colors
Speaker 9: and certain symbols and the male and female characters, I
Speaker 9: think you'll see it.
Speaker 8: That's it.
Speaker 5: Nice anything coming up on the occult rejects.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, again.
Speaker 9: Let's see, I can tell you a few things that
Speaker 9: are coming out. Oh yeah, we got the MoMA Mafia
Speaker 9: coming out on audio Red Helfer this Friday. We got
Speaker 9: to Marian Deities next week with Gray Pilled and the
Speaker 9: Coral Castle with Library the Untold coming out soon.
Speaker 5: So don't don't forget about Vampire Lady. Yes, yeah, that's
Speaker 5: the vampire. Yes, she was a nice vampire. She didn't
Speaker 5: try to eat anybody.
Speaker 9: Yeah, that will drop on audio as well for people
Speaker 9: who have not heard that yet, that's already been done
Speaker 9: and I think it's still out on the live so
Speaker 9: check it out now.
Speaker 5: Nice.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm leaving that up.
Speaker 5: All right. Well for share your time, sir Jen for
Speaker 5: sare your time, sir any closing thoughts on the the
Speaker 5: nineteen eighty six cinematic masterpiece, The Golden Child.
Speaker 10: So if you research Ken McLeod, he wrote a new book.
Speaker 10: I mentioned it right at the beginning, Magic of Adriana.
Speaker 10: He talks about all the stuff that Nick and I
Speaker 10: just discussed, like a lot. He understands Kabala as well,
Speaker 10: like or he just he's able to like the system
Speaker 10: doesn't matter. He just kind of gets he's had the
Speaker 10: experience or it doesn't really matter. He's just describing something
Speaker 10: so every he can. I'm not recommending him necessarily, but
Speaker 10: if you look into his background, he actually has a
Speaker 10: really interesting teacher. I'm sure JJ would find it really fascinating,
Speaker 10: and who was sort of the object of his own
Speaker 10: perhaps a scandal, will say, in the past. But I'm
Speaker 10: not casting his versions on anyone. I'm just saying it
Speaker 10: is kind of interesting. But he is a very interesting teacher,
Speaker 10: and I think he has some profound things to say.
Speaker 10: And I think he obviously consulted. I think he taught,
Speaker 10: like showed them how to use the couplistic ideas, but
Speaker 10: like make sure it was as much as it is syncretic.
Speaker 10: I think it keeps too like it's a Vazra film.
Speaker 10: You could say it like really has that aesthetic, but
Speaker 10: it also keeps true to a lot of the ideas.
Speaker 10: So I want to just say thank you so much
Speaker 10: to JJ, thank you so much to Nick always bringing
Speaker 10: me on. Nick really appreciate it, and of course Julia.
Speaker 10: I've we've worked together. I think this is our fourth time,
Speaker 10: but we've never we spoke a little of this celest
Speaker 10: So I will end on this I told you waning,
Speaker 10: So waning is more my thinking. Whereas like you're trying
Speaker 10: to like cast the sort of like the bad luck
Speaker 10: into the past.
Speaker 5: That's why the barber tips.
Speaker 1: Yeah, these tips. I love these tips.
Speaker 10: So if it's waning moon, you cut your hair and
Speaker 10: then you burn, like as I said, can burn it.
Speaker 10: So that's like casting the old you into the past.
Speaker 10: Or if you want, like to feel more beautiful, that's
Speaker 10: a good maybe word to use. You could do it
Speaker 10: on a waxing moon because I would like sort of
Speaker 10: empower you. So it's like either idea. I'm more of
Speaker 10: a waning person just because I always think like that,
Speaker 10: but maybe it was good. It's good to consider balance.
Speaker 1: Well, I will say this, and I'm so glad you
Speaker 1: brought it up again. God bless you because my appointments
Speaker 1: tomorrow and it is a waning moon.
Speaker 10: I uh.
Speaker 1: Over the last year. I've been through a lot, divorced
Speaker 1: and all kinds of stuff, and so like my ex
Speaker 1: husband touched this hair and I want it off my head.
Speaker 1: I want to cut. I want it gone off of me.
Speaker 1: I want a new fresh start. So I think the weave. No,
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking it's all at least half of it's
Speaker 1: got to go. It's got to go.
Speaker 5: So I there Julia, pretty frightened, looking like very intimidating.
Speaker 5: No one want to with you. She's got mohawk.
Speaker 1: I could be a ginger mohawk kind of gal.
Speaker 7: I might.
Speaker 8: I might do that.
Speaker 1: I don't know, we'll see, but I'm going to go
Speaker 1: with the waning moon on this one, Jin, because I
Speaker 1: need a new me, a new year.
Speaker 4: Knew me.
Speaker 10: Well, I'm glad that I could rectify that, because I did.
Speaker 10: I felt bad leaving you on the waiting thing knowing
Speaker 10: that there was two, but I didn't really think of
Speaker 10: it at first, so I'm glad I could correct it.
Speaker 10: So thank you for giving me that, And of course,
Speaker 10: thank you to JJ for inviting me to do these
Speaker 10: uh ocall film reviews. Everybody knows it's my favorite. I
Speaker 10: love the Agitator podcast as well with j David Osborne,
Speaker 10: and he's going to come on my show and you
Speaker 10: know they talk about Japanese movies. Obviously, doing cinema reviews
Speaker 10: is kind of my secret dream as a podcaster, but
Speaker 10: I'm more of an occultist really, so very keen stick,
Speaker 10: thank you so much.
Speaker 5: Now I appreciate you all. It's one of my favorite films.
Speaker 5: I'm glad we got a chance to discuss it. Definitely
Speaker 5: a big fan of the Golden Child, and thanks to
Speaker 5: all folks of the interwebs for joining us again. J. J.
Speaker 5: Vance not the vice president host of Operations g c D,
Speaker 5: also co host of Fridays There with Nick from the
Speaker 5: The Cult Rejects Operations g c D mash up there.
Speaker 5: So thanks again everyone having good even.
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