WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:02.120 Baby, You're my game statue. 2 00:00:02.720 --> 00:00:04.200 It takes a lot of tangle. 3 00:00:04.759 --> 00:00:08.240 You don't want mess with me, mess with me my 4 00:00:08.359 --> 00:00:16.359 gangsta touch Baby, You're a game statoo. 5 00:00:23.800 --> 00:00:26.800 For good warnings, this podcast is designed to take you 6 00:00:26.800 --> 00:00:29.839 outside of your comfort zone and make you question reality. 7 00:00:30.239 --> 00:00:35.880 Listening Discretion is a vibe. 8 00:00:38.600 --> 00:00:39.640 What the fellas? 9 00:00:41.600 --> 00:00:44.079 This ain't my first time at the rodeos. 10 00:01:15.760 --> 00:01:18.319 Howdy folks, your host Double J back here coming at 11 00:01:18.840 --> 00:01:24.760 Live slash Live from my studio Slash r V dining 12 00:01:24.840 --> 00:01:29.879 Room located directly outside the city of Little Port of Prince, Ohio, 13 00:01:31.079 --> 00:01:36.040 the city formerly known as Springfield, Ohio. You know, apparently 14 00:01:36.120 --> 00:01:41.599 the place where they're eating the cats they're eating the dogs. Anyhow, Folks, 15 00:01:42.000 --> 00:01:45.159 once again your host Double J here, I will be 16 00:01:45.159 --> 00:01:49.120 your pilot navigator for tonight's Shenanigan infused journey into the 17 00:01:49.120 --> 00:01:53.120 mind of this particular garbage can. Dude, got a real 18 00:01:53.239 --> 00:01:56.359 barn burner on deck for you, folks here tonight and 19 00:01:56.400 --> 00:01:59.799 we're gonna go through a in a cult and or 20 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:06.640 esoteric review of the nineteen eighty six cinematic masterpiece starring 21 00:02:06.760 --> 00:02:10.400 Eddie Murphy, The Golden Child. And joining me here tonight 22 00:02:10.719 --> 00:02:14.680 is Nick from the Occult Rejects. Nick, Welcome, Welcome, sir. 23 00:02:14.639 --> 00:02:16.400 What's going on? Man? Thank you very much? 24 00:02:17.439 --> 00:02:20.919 And fellow oh for sure, and fellow Occult rejects Cosmic Pete, 25 00:02:21.039 --> 00:02:22.960 Julia and Jen the Ninja. 26 00:02:23.840 --> 00:02:26.000 How what's up? 27 00:02:27.080 --> 00:02:31.360 Welcome back to Operation GCD. Jen and Julia Welcome. You've 28 00:02:31.360 --> 00:02:33.599 been on. We've done Fridays, I think together, and some 29 00:02:33.639 --> 00:02:37.919 other shows, but this is your your first Operation GCD experience, 30 00:02:37.960 --> 00:02:39.360 so welcome. 31 00:02:39.520 --> 00:02:42.759 Yeah, the grass is greener over here. I think I 32 00:02:42.919 --> 00:02:44.879 like it. I like the air over here. 33 00:02:45.639 --> 00:02:48.879 Nice, I like green grass. I think Nick, Nick your 34 00:02:48.919 --> 00:02:53.080 graves me on that one. He knows what I'm talking about. Yes, yes, 35 00:02:54.479 --> 00:02:57.960 So I'm glad to hear this came together in an 36 00:02:58.039 --> 00:03:03.159 unofficial fashion and such a fantastic way, because quite honestly, 37 00:03:03.520 --> 00:03:07.400 this spun out of tonight's show reviewing The Golden Child. 38 00:03:07.400 --> 00:03:09.719 If folks aren't familiar with the film, I will be 39 00:03:09.759 --> 00:03:14.759 playing a brief trailer here for us, and before we 40 00:03:15.080 --> 00:03:16.639 dive into any of the details that I found the 41 00:03:16.639 --> 00:03:20.879 original trailer that was the I guess it was from 42 00:03:20.919 --> 00:03:23.199 early nineteen eighty six because it came out in December 43 00:03:23.199 --> 00:03:26.039 of eighty six. I believe the film did. So it's 44 00:03:26.080 --> 00:03:28.599 a it's a great it's a great trailer from It's 45 00:03:28.599 --> 00:03:31.360 a perfect eighties trailer. So, and it does a great job. 46 00:03:31.560 --> 00:03:34.360 It actually explains the story in the narrative of the plotline, 47 00:03:34.439 --> 00:03:37.080 whereas today's trailers do none of that. There's so many 48 00:03:37.080 --> 00:03:40.000 trailers I watched today, I'm like, what the fuck's this move? 49 00:03:40.039 --> 00:03:40.800 Even about? Man? 50 00:03:42.319 --> 00:03:44.719 Yeah, yeah, sure everything trailer. 51 00:03:45.280 --> 00:03:48.759 Yeah, I mean it's quite honestly, I think it's the 52 00:03:48.759 --> 00:03:52.120 formula in which Hollywood makes films today. And that's one example. 53 00:03:52.719 --> 00:03:54.400 Don't want to go off on too big of a tangent, 54 00:03:54.400 --> 00:03:57.360 but one example. There was a film about ten years ago. 55 00:03:58.039 --> 00:04:00.199 It was a Spanish language film even and it was 56 00:04:00.199 --> 00:04:03.560 supposed to be a trauma film, and it was apparently 57 00:04:03.639 --> 00:04:05.759 this you know, they put a lot of money into it, 58 00:04:05.840 --> 00:04:08.199 so for some reason they wanted to try to save it. 59 00:04:08.280 --> 00:04:11.639 So it was gonna be completely shit canned in the 60 00:04:11.680 --> 00:04:14.680 studio called in. I believe it was Keanu Reeves to 61 00:04:14.719 --> 00:04:16.800 come in for two weeks from a bunch of sea. 62 00:04:20.560 --> 00:04:28.519 Oh shit, listen, throws on your own show My. 63 00:04:28.480 --> 00:04:36.160 Back, My Back, where I cut out romance drama Keu Reeves. Yeah, 64 00:04:36.160 --> 00:04:38.120 they called in Keanu to film, like two weeks of 65 00:04:38.160 --> 00:04:40.560 ship and they changed into a crime, some sort of 66 00:04:40.680 --> 00:04:44.040 crime thriller. They went from romance drama to crime thriller 67 00:04:44.720 --> 00:04:46.720 from two different languages. As I'm just saying, a lot 68 00:04:46.720 --> 00:04:49.399 of films are very formulaic, and this in this day 69 00:04:49.399 --> 00:04:51.040 and age, when they can pull off of something like that, 70 00:04:51.639 --> 00:04:54.240 I don't like anyone solid in the theaters anyway, But nonetheless, 71 00:04:54.279 --> 00:04:57.600 like you know, until the last two weeks of filming, 72 00:04:57.639 --> 00:05:02.079 it was a it was a Spanish language romance, you know, film, 73 00:05:02.399 --> 00:05:04.000 and then they brought in Keanu and made it some 74 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:06.680 sort of crime thriller, you know, and in English speaking, 75 00:05:06.720 --> 00:05:09.360 so again you know they don't. You know what I'm 76 00:05:09.399 --> 00:05:11.319 getting at is, you know, I think there was a 77 00:05:11.360 --> 00:05:14.560 certain craft to filmmaking still in the eighties, not only 78 00:05:14.600 --> 00:05:17.079 just the writing as I'm pointing out, and plot lines 79 00:05:17.079 --> 00:05:20.279 and the trailers even described these fucking films, but the 80 00:05:21.199 --> 00:05:23.240 you're rubbing off on me, Julia with with all your 81 00:05:23.439 --> 00:05:24.959 cursing like a sailor, I feel like I have to 82 00:05:25.040 --> 00:05:30.199 curse the uh the I mean, I'm an old retired 83 00:05:30.360 --> 00:05:33.040 senior master sartant, so I'm sorry, master start senior and 84 00:05:33.120 --> 00:05:35.040 CEO from the Air Force, so it doesn't take me much. 85 00:05:35.079 --> 00:05:36.920 But I'm not a sailor. But you know, it's about 86 00:05:36.920 --> 00:05:38.120 the same language, you know what I mean. 87 00:05:38.240 --> 00:05:41.000 I barely had to push you in that direction, That's. 88 00:05:40.879 --> 00:05:44.879 What That's what I'm saying. I didn't I did that 89 00:05:44.920 --> 00:05:46.920 between years in the Air Force, right, it wasn't it 90 00:05:46.920 --> 00:05:48.920 wasn't a Navy. But it's the same difference, I suppose. 91 00:05:52.439 --> 00:05:54.959 But so also I think this this film was great 92 00:05:54.959 --> 00:05:56.399 in the special effects. 93 00:05:56.040 --> 00:06:01.040 Right m For the eighties, it was I think, so. 94 00:06:01.959 --> 00:06:04.959 Pretty monumental, you know, achievements I think they did with 95 00:06:05.000 --> 00:06:06.160 some real time special effects. 96 00:06:06.240 --> 00:06:08.000 Yeah, like when the guy goes to like meditate and 97 00:06:08.040 --> 00:06:10.079 the bad guy shows up and like everything blows away 98 00:06:10.160 --> 00:06:12.279 and it's just yeah, I thought that was pretty impressive. 99 00:06:12.279 --> 00:06:17.079 Then there's yeah, there's a lot of those scenes right well. 100 00:06:17.160 --> 00:06:19.360 To riff off your point, JJ, which I think is 101 00:06:19.399 --> 00:06:22.920 really good, is there's a technical aspect of filmmaking, obviously, 102 00:06:22.959 --> 00:06:27.399 because they were using actual cameras, actual celluloid and I 103 00:06:27.399 --> 00:06:31.000 think that that plays a big part in technical craftsmanship 104 00:06:31.040 --> 00:06:33.759 because if you don't do something, how would you know 105 00:06:33.800 --> 00:06:37.839 how to do it? So if you're relying on digital, 106 00:06:37.879 --> 00:06:40.480 and I'm not an anti digital, especially for the early 107 00:06:40.519 --> 00:06:42.800 two thousands, I think it was really cool. Like there's 108 00:06:42.800 --> 00:06:45.319 a lot of shows that like have that interesting like 109 00:06:45.439 --> 00:06:49.439 darker blue kind of filter that you can only really 110 00:06:49.439 --> 00:06:52.839 do with digital, like handicams, and I think that that 111 00:06:52.920 --> 00:06:56.439 was innovative. But I think, really, this is something totally different. 112 00:06:56.480 --> 00:06:58.519 This is like that. I think this is why you 113 00:06:58.600 --> 00:06:59.959 like it. I think this is why I like it, 114 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:02.759 and it's I think it's Julia likes that and also 115 00:07:02.839 --> 00:07:05.399 Nick because it's like something classic. It's something that we 116 00:07:05.480 --> 00:07:08.480 all can refer to. There's a grammar, it's very coherent 117 00:07:08.720 --> 00:07:10.000 as a film language. 118 00:07:12.199 --> 00:07:15.279 Oh for sure. I'm anti CGA, so I definitely do. 119 00:07:15.480 --> 00:07:17.480 Yeah. I mean, you know what I would compare it to. 120 00:07:17.600 --> 00:07:20.079 It's like a lot of the movies that come out recently. 121 00:07:20.120 --> 00:07:22.680 It's like I think I heard somebody else say this too, 122 00:07:22.759 --> 00:07:26.319 but the Marvel movies and stuff like that, it's like 123 00:07:26.800 --> 00:07:30.160 it's like going to a theme park and you ride 124 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:32.720 the rides and you woo and then it's over with. 125 00:07:33.319 --> 00:07:36.959 Whereas movies in the eighties and before that, obviously, and 126 00:07:37.199 --> 00:07:40.800 even some movies in the nineties, maybe early two thousands, 127 00:07:41.079 --> 00:07:43.720 they were more like a story. They were more like 128 00:07:43.759 --> 00:07:49.000 an experience, like a you get like enthralled with it, 129 00:07:49.120 --> 00:07:52.199 you and it's like it takes you on a journey, 130 00:07:52.519 --> 00:07:56.920 whereas now it's like kind of just bread and circusy 131 00:07:57.040 --> 00:08:00.040 type stuff. It's like, just fill your mind with this 132 00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:02.639 garbage and be happy with it. 133 00:08:03.240 --> 00:08:05.560 I mean, oh, for sure, it's terrible, right they just 134 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:08.879 call it in with writing. Yeah, that's what I was 135 00:08:08.879 --> 00:08:10.680 getting that when you can just call on Keanu and 136 00:08:11.040 --> 00:08:13.160 change your entire language of your film and genre of 137 00:08:13.199 --> 00:08:15.959 your film in two weeks, Like clearly there's a formula 138 00:08:16.079 --> 00:08:17.720 these films, right, great? 139 00:08:18.040 --> 00:08:21.839 Yeah, And I think the comedy was better back then. 140 00:08:22.360 --> 00:08:25.720 Like don't get me wrong, I like super Bad and 141 00:08:25.800 --> 00:08:28.519 like Jet Appatole movies. I like that kind of comedy 142 00:08:28.519 --> 00:08:32.000 because I'll watch that stuff too, Pineapple Express. But there 143 00:08:32.120 --> 00:08:35.639 was something about like the eighties comedy that was like 144 00:08:35.720 --> 00:08:40.519 a full belly laugh. Like I hate to even say it, 145 00:08:40.519 --> 00:08:43.320 but eighties movies that I grew up on were like 146 00:08:43.399 --> 00:08:47.879 The Burbs and Money Pit. I know Tom Jinks is 147 00:08:47.919 --> 00:08:51.759 a shithead, but like those movies made me laugh so hard. 148 00:08:51.879 --> 00:08:55.519 All Eddie Murphy movies made me laugh so hard. And 149 00:08:55.720 --> 00:08:58.440 when I go back and watch them again. Even now, 150 00:08:58.559 --> 00:09:01.720 I'm still laughing at this same like five jokes, just 151 00:09:02.200 --> 00:09:05.519 over and over again, like they're still so funny. 152 00:09:06.200 --> 00:09:08.039 That's one of the things I love about this movie 153 00:09:08.080 --> 00:09:10.360 is that he plays Axel Foley basically, so it's like 154 00:09:10.399 --> 00:09:14.080 Beverly Hills cop, but he's an LA private detective solving 155 00:09:14.080 --> 00:09:17.600 satanic you know, you know, kidnapping by a satanic cold 156 00:09:17.600 --> 00:09:19.960 of a young girl. He has some fighting demons, this 157 00:09:20.120 --> 00:09:22.279 little Tibetan kid that turns out to be a girl. 158 00:09:22.360 --> 00:09:24.240 I thought that was a a boy in the film 159 00:09:24.399 --> 00:09:26.360 terms of be a girl, not trances. 160 00:09:27.039 --> 00:09:28.080 Yeah, it's a girl. 161 00:09:28.759 --> 00:09:31.000 That's a girl. That's a girl. I don't want to 162 00:09:31.320 --> 00:09:32.799 I want to spoiler alert. They don't tell you that 163 00:09:32.799 --> 00:09:34.440 in the film though. I just found that out actually 164 00:09:35.039 --> 00:09:37.759 not that long ago. I pop up my YouTube feed, like, 165 00:09:38.080 --> 00:09:41.039 you know, where are they now? You know, Golden Golden Child, 166 00:09:41.200 --> 00:09:43.879 you know, and Eddie Murphy's looking rough, but I like 167 00:09:44.000 --> 00:09:46.559 Eddie Murphy in the early eighties, you know. And then 168 00:09:46.759 --> 00:09:48.399 again they're like they were like, hey, this is the 169 00:09:48.679 --> 00:09:50.279 boy from the Golden Child. I'm like, that's a girl. 170 00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:52.639 They're like yeah, And I was like, oh, that's trans 171 00:09:53.120 --> 00:09:54.639 he was a girl the entire time. I'm like, well, 172 00:09:54.679 --> 00:09:55.279 that's bizarre. 173 00:09:55.639 --> 00:10:00.600 I didn't know whoa Okay, well I did not know that. Yeah, 174 00:10:00.840 --> 00:10:03.440 that's a fun fact. I could have swore it was 175 00:10:03.440 --> 00:10:03.840 a boy. 176 00:10:05.279 --> 00:10:08.559 But before I before I played the trailer and uh 177 00:10:08.799 --> 00:10:10.440 turned it over before I turned over to off for 178 00:10:10.480 --> 00:10:12.360 any any other comments here to start off the show, 179 00:10:14.039 --> 00:10:14.399 did you? 180 00:10:14.600 --> 00:10:14.759 Uh? 181 00:10:14.919 --> 00:10:16.879 I just want to point out, this is my favorite 182 00:10:16.919 --> 00:10:19.679 era of Murphy, like you were saying there, Julia, like 183 00:10:20.240 --> 00:10:23.399 later Murphy I could do without, you know, pre pre 184 00:10:23.600 --> 00:10:26.799 trans hooker Murphy. You know, I remember that incident in 185 00:10:27.159 --> 00:10:30.200 the nineties were suddenly Eddie Murphy's associated with all these 186 00:10:30.519 --> 00:10:34.000 transgendered hookers on the streets of l A. And then 187 00:10:34.240 --> 00:10:36.679 he gets busted by the tabloids. Actually he gets busted 188 00:10:36.720 --> 00:10:38.879 by Entrew Breitbart. He's the one he busted. They broke 189 00:10:38.960 --> 00:10:42.279 that story. And then suddenly these uh is Eddie's friends, 190 00:10:42.360 --> 00:10:44.840 eddies transgendered hooker friends are getting thrown off the tops 191 00:10:44.840 --> 00:10:49.240 of buildings all of a sudden, strange tale strange, I mean, 192 00:10:49.440 --> 00:10:50.519 was the uh. 193 00:10:50.879 --> 00:10:55.360 Time that like Boomerang and Vampire in Brooklyn and like. 194 00:10:55.559 --> 00:11:01.080 Yeah, exactly, it was every everything but I'm good with everything. 195 00:11:00.759 --> 00:11:05.840 Before that, Okay, okay, whatever. 196 00:11:05.639 --> 00:11:07.879 He got into around that time. And to be honest 197 00:11:07.879 --> 00:11:09.720 with you, I think the reason a lot of eighties films, 198 00:11:09.759 --> 00:11:12.639 a lot of eighties comedies were so good is cocaine. 199 00:11:15.440 --> 00:11:18.600 Maybe Harlom Knights. 200 00:11:18.440 --> 00:11:21.440 Very cocaine Field. No, I think all these productions like 201 00:11:21.879 --> 00:11:25.279 very cocaine field. In fact, Tonight's Tonight's production The Golden 202 00:11:25.360 --> 00:11:28.799 Child is only you have a one degree of separation 203 00:11:29.120 --> 00:11:34.120 from Bob Cocaine Evans the production of this film. So 204 00:11:34.720 --> 00:11:38.399 you're talking Hollywood and you're talking cocaine field nineteen eighties films. 205 00:11:38.720 --> 00:11:40.879 This is right in the epicenter of that wheelhouse because, 206 00:11:41.279 --> 00:11:44.120 like I said, it's it's ultimately the green it's the 207 00:11:44.120 --> 00:11:47.080 green light of the film. From Paramount Pictures is the 208 00:11:47.080 --> 00:11:50.559 guy that Bob Evans hires to replace him there when 209 00:11:50.559 --> 00:11:53.759 he gets he gets his independent producer role on the 210 00:11:53.799 --> 00:11:56.360 lot until eighty one when he gets popped for them 211 00:11:56.879 --> 00:12:01.120 cocaine trafficking charges and then his buddy buried or throws 212 00:12:01.159 --> 00:12:03.399 them off a lot as the legend goes, And Barry 213 00:12:03.440 --> 00:12:07.559 Diyler is a very important character, but yeah, he's uh, 214 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:10.519 he was Bob Bob co cocaine Bob's underling. 215 00:12:10.720 --> 00:12:14.600 So well, I before you play the trailer there, I 216 00:12:14.679 --> 00:12:16.720 just have to say two things. I get exactly what 217 00:12:16.759 --> 00:12:19.080 you're saying. But there is a movie he made later 218 00:12:19.120 --> 00:12:23.279 in life that's called Life. Do you remember that one 219 00:12:23.440 --> 00:12:24.919 he was older, I think. 220 00:12:25.200 --> 00:12:25.960 With Martin Lawrence. 221 00:12:26.559 --> 00:12:29.799 Yeah, that's still one of my Yeah, still one of 222 00:12:29.840 --> 00:12:33.720 my faves. I know he was kind of on his 223 00:12:33.759 --> 00:12:36.000 way out at the time, but I still love that 224 00:12:36.080 --> 00:12:40.480 movie and unpopular opinion, I actually think his brother is 225 00:12:40.559 --> 00:12:45.720 funnier than he is. Charlie Murphy, Charlie Murphy, Charlie Murphy. 226 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:49.600 Well please, while you're still there talking to Julie, please 227 00:12:49.600 --> 00:12:51.279 introduce your show since I didn't give you the proper 228 00:12:51.320 --> 00:12:52.679 time here to do that thus far. 229 00:12:52.919 --> 00:12:57.440 Oh well thanks. Yeah. I have Cosmic Peach podcasts available wherever. 230 00:12:58.120 --> 00:13:00.960 I'm really happy to be here tonight because I've been 231 00:13:01.000 --> 00:13:04.279 looking for somebody to cover this movie with me for 232 00:13:04.360 --> 00:13:09.000 two years now, and either no one's interested, or they 233 00:13:09.039 --> 00:13:12.639 haven't seen it, or they don't understand why I think 234 00:13:12.679 --> 00:13:17.159 it's significant. But so when you mentioned it the other night, 235 00:13:17.200 --> 00:13:18.919 I was like, if you don't let me on that one, 236 00:13:19.039 --> 00:13:24.080 I'm going to cry and just be in the comments 237 00:13:24.240 --> 00:13:26.799 shitting on you guys the whole time. I should have 238 00:13:26.879 --> 00:13:29.120 been on this one. Fuck you guys. 239 00:13:29.720 --> 00:13:31.360 I was excited to see that you were so into 240 00:13:31.360 --> 00:13:32.879 it because this is one of my favorite films, and 241 00:13:32.879 --> 00:13:35.120 we kind of we did Big Trouble a Little China 242 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:37.759 a few months ago, and the kind of the spinoff 243 00:13:37.799 --> 00:13:39.600 of that is we decided to do this because this 244 00:13:39.639 --> 00:13:42.960 was the competing Hollywood project too, Big Trouble, Little China 245 00:13:43.519 --> 00:13:45.600 and share some of the same actors as Big Trouble, 246 00:13:45.639 --> 00:13:48.960 Little China, not just Victor Wong, who had a very 247 00:13:48.960 --> 00:13:51.120 great year. He might have had the best year in 248 00:13:51.159 --> 00:13:55.240 Hollywood for an Asian actor north of fifty years old. 249 00:13:55.519 --> 00:14:00.080 He he won that year that category. 250 00:14:00.879 --> 00:14:04.399 Isn't he chang in the in Trimmors? 251 00:14:04.759 --> 00:14:09.200 Yeah? Yeah, he's the grandfather in the Three Ninjas trilogy, 252 00:14:09.200 --> 00:14:10.720 which was a big part of my childhood. 253 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:14.600 Yeah. I loved Trimors when I was little. And then 254 00:14:14.759 --> 00:14:16.639 when I was doing the notes today, I was like, 255 00:14:17.159 --> 00:14:19.320 I put in the side note, I said, did anyone 256 00:14:19.320 --> 00:14:24.679 else realize that the old guy is changed from Trimmers? 257 00:14:24.879 --> 00:14:27.759 That old guy, ma'am is egg Chen. Egg Chen's a legend. 258 00:14:30.919 --> 00:14:32.559 He did, and he killed it in this one too. 259 00:14:32.440 --> 00:14:35.639 Right, Oh yeah, for sure one hundred. 260 00:14:36.159 --> 00:14:37.879 That's what I'm saying he was. He was killing it 261 00:14:37.919 --> 00:14:43.080 in nineteen eighty six, a big year that year. So 262 00:14:43.279 --> 00:14:46.240 and Nick, Jen before we play the trailer and start 263 00:14:46.240 --> 00:14:48.919 to start the show here and he may offer you 264 00:14:48.919 --> 00:14:50.720 any comments. And what are you all working on over 265 00:14:50.720 --> 00:14:53.240 there at the Occult Rejects, Nick, I know you're you're 266 00:14:53.240 --> 00:14:55.639 pumping out new shows every day of the Occult All 267 00:14:55.799 --> 00:14:56.720 was just out today. 268 00:14:56.840 --> 00:15:00.399 Uh yeah, yeah, yeah, they cult Elvis. That was fun. Actually, 269 00:15:00.440 --> 00:15:03.240 that was really interesting. Julia was there for that as well. 270 00:15:03.600 --> 00:15:05.080 Yeah weren't you? Yeah you were there. 271 00:15:05.559 --> 00:15:07.600 Yeah, fuck, I was there. I've seen too. 272 00:15:07.799 --> 00:15:13.960 Yeah, totally forgot. I'm burnt. Yeah, we had that. 273 00:15:13.960 --> 00:15:15.840 That's a good show though, I really I really enjoyed that. 274 00:15:15.879 --> 00:15:18.039 I haven't got a chance to re listen to, but the 275 00:15:18.080 --> 00:15:20.159 first time I listened to when I was there, it 276 00:15:20.200 --> 00:15:20.679 was a good show. 277 00:15:20.720 --> 00:15:20.840 Yea. 278 00:15:20.879 --> 00:15:25.240 It spread off to Tuesday World, that's. 279 00:15:24.440 --> 00:15:26.919 Right, that is Tuesday Weld. I really liked that show. 280 00:15:26.960 --> 00:15:29.279 That was a good one. I was just as excited 281 00:15:29.279 --> 00:15:31.480 when you brought up Tuesday Weld as you were sounding 282 00:15:31.519 --> 00:15:33.519 like as you were excited when I brought up the 283 00:15:33.519 --> 00:15:34.279 Golden Child. 284 00:15:34.639 --> 00:15:38.799 It's a full circle moment here, really Occult reject. It's 285 00:15:38.840 --> 00:15:42.360 a full circle. We're the dream team at this point. 286 00:15:43.480 --> 00:15:46.919 I like that. I like that. We got some Red 287 00:15:46.960 --> 00:15:48.279 Hefer stuff coming out this week. 288 00:15:49.000 --> 00:15:50.720 So nice. 289 00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:53.039 Yeah, some stuff. What you did with broadcasting seeds. 290 00:15:53.440 --> 00:15:56.039 We got that coming out Friday for people listening now, 291 00:15:56.120 --> 00:15:59.039 and over the weekend we will have for audio listeners. 292 00:15:59.320 --> 00:16:02.080 Uh, then you probably wouldn't be watching now. But got 293 00:16:02.080 --> 00:16:04.440 morm and Mafia Part four dropping audio. 294 00:16:05.320 --> 00:16:09.440 Oh yeah, that's a great series. Jen. Jen's involved in 295 00:16:09.480 --> 00:16:11.200 that one, Archie Jen, What's what's going on over there? 296 00:16:11.240 --> 00:16:11.360 Gen? 297 00:16:11.399 --> 00:16:14.080 You haid? Now is a ninja you're doing ninja stuff. 298 00:16:13.919 --> 00:16:16.360 Nie, JJ, But thank you so much for inviting you. 299 00:16:16.840 --> 00:16:20.960 I'd love to do, especially sir, cinema Ocult reviews. This 300 00:16:21.039 --> 00:16:24.000 is obviously our second one, and of course my boss 301 00:16:24.120 --> 00:16:28.000 Nick mister ninety three. Yeah, thirty three, but I'll give 302 00:16:28.080 --> 00:16:29.600 I'll upgrade this time. 303 00:16:29.879 --> 00:16:30.399 There you go. 304 00:16:31.200 --> 00:16:34.440 So I have a I have two notes actually, so 305 00:16:34.840 --> 00:16:37.320 I'll do those at the end. So this is one 306 00:16:37.399 --> 00:16:40.159 is about sure Elds. I think it's very interesting. I 307 00:16:40.159 --> 00:16:43.159 think Julia will be actually interested in it, and if 308 00:16:43.200 --> 00:16:45.679 Heidi's listening, so shout out Heidi. I think she'll actually 309 00:16:45.720 --> 00:16:49.000 find it interesting to you. And then I have a 310 00:16:49.080 --> 00:16:51.879 note about the cutting your hair on waxing and waning 311 00:16:53.399 --> 00:16:56.240 moon because we talked about this literally yesterday or the 312 00:16:56.279 --> 00:16:56.639 other night. 313 00:16:56.720 --> 00:16:58.679 I was just say that that just came up, right. 314 00:16:58.960 --> 00:17:01.000 That's right, So I have note about that, so I 315 00:17:01.039 --> 00:17:03.240 will come back to that. But I have a show, 316 00:17:03.399 --> 00:17:10.240 Threshold Saints. It's speculative ontology. We're exploring metaphysics through pop culture. 317 00:17:10.319 --> 00:17:13.599 But it's not like Julia if you watch Julia's show, 318 00:17:13.599 --> 00:17:17.319 and I obviously want everyone to watch Julia's show, but 319 00:17:17.559 --> 00:17:20.240 it's a different We approach it from different ways. I 320 00:17:20.279 --> 00:17:23.359 look at everything through parafection and through like a technical 321 00:17:23.839 --> 00:17:29.000 kind of cabala contra mixture, crazy wild wisdom. So if 322 00:17:29.000 --> 00:17:33.359 you're interested in that, you can definitely subscribe. And I 323 00:17:33.400 --> 00:17:36.240 just dropped a three part episode on Ralph Blacksheet and 324 00:17:36.279 --> 00:17:40.279 then I'm also dropping another episode this week, so yeah, big, 325 00:17:40.319 --> 00:17:46.519 thanks for that. But okay, so note about Tuesday Welds. 326 00:17:46.599 --> 00:17:48.839 So I think what this is. When I was watching 327 00:17:48.839 --> 00:17:51.240 the episode, I was so excited. Best episode. I think 328 00:17:51.319 --> 00:17:53.519 one of my favorites, personal favorites. I thought it was 329 00:17:53.559 --> 00:17:58.839 so phenomenal. Okay, So for Tuesday, I actually think she 330 00:17:59.240 --> 00:18:03.200 embodied this concept called the ichef Zenu name. So this 331 00:18:03.440 --> 00:18:07.599 is the sometimes that's translated as the virgin horror, but 332 00:18:07.640 --> 00:18:10.519 it can also be trans understood as the princess of 333 00:18:10.559 --> 00:18:11.200 the klipus. 334 00:18:11.880 --> 00:18:15.279 So there's a that's not a literal virgin, right Jen. 335 00:18:15.440 --> 00:18:19.599 Yes, Like yeah, because it was all about sex magic, right, 336 00:18:19.680 --> 00:18:24.200 So you had, but Tuesday would have never participated physically. 337 00:18:24.880 --> 00:18:28.359 If I'm just saying if she fills that archetype, there's. 338 00:18:28.200 --> 00:18:30.119 No I hear you. I was just being a smart ass, 339 00:18:30.119 --> 00:18:31.160 So this is a. 340 00:18:31.480 --> 00:18:33.799 Totally right, You're totally right. No, No, you're totally right. 341 00:18:34.519 --> 00:18:37.559 I just was meaning that if she embodies that concept, 342 00:18:37.720 --> 00:18:41.240 that's why she remained. One reason. Maybe you could say, 343 00:18:41.920 --> 00:18:43.079 then the other ones did end. 344 00:18:43.839 --> 00:18:45.920 Would you would you say, this is a powerful position 345 00:18:45.960 --> 00:18:48.279 within a occult network what you're describing. 346 00:18:48.440 --> 00:18:50.319 Yeah, she would have. It would have been like the 347 00:18:50.440 --> 00:18:53.920 highest of the highest. Interesting, it would have been like 348 00:18:53.960 --> 00:18:56.519 the person who channeled whatever they're channeling. 349 00:18:57.160 --> 00:18:59.200 Would you be like considering it, like I'm trying to 350 00:18:59.279 --> 00:19:02.000 understand the it's the type of feminine. Would it be 351 00:19:02.039 --> 00:19:04.359 more of like an empress card instead of netsuck is 352 00:19:04.960 --> 00:19:05.680 kind of getting. 353 00:19:05.480 --> 00:19:10.440 In, Yes, yes, it's more eusotic with a little hode maybe. 354 00:19:11.559 --> 00:19:14.079 Yeah, that would be like all right, it's released. 355 00:19:17.920 --> 00:19:20.799 Well, I think that until she got married, she had 356 00:19:20.839 --> 00:19:23.880 to maintain a like degree of virginity. I'm not saying 357 00:19:23.880 --> 00:19:27.799 that she wasn't involved in sexual things. I'm sure that 358 00:19:27.839 --> 00:19:30.160 what she did I actually kind of knows. I'll just 359 00:19:30.200 --> 00:19:34.200 say it is that I think what she was directed 360 00:19:34.599 --> 00:19:38.759 the sexual activities of other people. That's how I would 361 00:19:38.799 --> 00:19:41.279 understand it in a more technical way. Obviously, I don't 362 00:19:41.279 --> 00:19:43.880 think of things as sex magic or whatever. I just 363 00:19:43.920 --> 00:19:46.480 am looking at it more technically. So I think she 364 00:19:46.519 --> 00:19:49.680 would sort of channel the daikini or whatever they're doing, 365 00:19:50.000 --> 00:19:53.839 the feminine divine force. But her mind is virginal, so 366 00:19:53.880 --> 00:19:57.279 she doesn't, you know, she's not the horror. Particularly, she's 367 00:19:57.279 --> 00:20:00.839 a virgin horror. So she'd maybe direct sexual actions of 368 00:20:01.119 --> 00:20:06.960 people around her, but she's not herself. Well, that engaged. 369 00:20:07.279 --> 00:20:11.759 Didn't describe Tuesday Well's activity. She's very much the director. 370 00:20:11.799 --> 00:20:14.720 As did his buddy. 371 00:20:15.839 --> 00:20:19.319 It's like how cocaine Bob evans Uh brought together the 372 00:20:19.440 --> 00:20:22.119 Lovely couple of Room and Polanski and Sharon Tate in 373 00:20:22.200 --> 00:20:26.000 nuptials only for Sharon Tate to you know her on 374 00:20:26.119 --> 00:20:29.440 timely demise. I often wonder was that the plan going in. 375 00:20:31.359 --> 00:20:35.480 Somebody pulling the strings behind. 376 00:20:35.680 --> 00:20:37.559 And that that is correct? Man, And I would say 377 00:20:37.559 --> 00:20:39.640 that's Tuesday. Well, And I'm glad you brought that up there, Jen, 378 00:20:39.759 --> 00:20:43.799 because tonight's discussion includes satannic cold activity in and around 379 00:20:43.960 --> 00:20:47.720 Los Angeles, California, which is where she'd be pulling them 380 00:20:47.759 --> 00:20:50.200 strings from. So and I think there's a good tie 381 00:20:50.200 --> 00:20:52.759 into that to that whole scene with this whole film, 382 00:20:52.920 --> 00:20:55.559 not as much as the comparison and I just did 383 00:20:55.599 --> 00:20:58.319 here with a dragonet and the comparison of the processed 384 00:20:58.400 --> 00:21:03.880 church activities around Los Angeles SIRCRA nineteen eighties. I highly 385 00:21:03.960 --> 00:21:07.000 recommend that, but there'll be more satanic old activity and 386 00:21:07.119 --> 00:21:10.400 weird blood rituals. But on that note, we will watch 387 00:21:10.440 --> 00:21:14.000 the trailer here and get back to uh unpacking these 388 00:21:14.039 --> 00:21:14.880 ideas here. 389 00:21:14.920 --> 00:21:32.200 In one moment, every thousand generations, a perfect child is born, 390 00:21:33.039 --> 00:21:38.039 a child with magical powers, a child sent to bring 391 00:21:38.079 --> 00:21:38.920 good into the. 392 00:21:38.880 --> 00:21:42.200 World, a golden child. 393 00:21:44.680 --> 00:21:47.759 And now this child has been kidnapped by the forces 394 00:21:47.799 --> 00:21:53.440 of evil, as foretold by the Nietzschung Oracle. Only one 395 00:21:53.480 --> 00:21:58.160 man can find him, only one man can rescue him. 396 00:21:58.839 --> 00:22:01.039 He is a man from the city enjoys. 397 00:22:01.759 --> 00:22:03.559 He is a man who does what he's writing to, 398 00:22:04.160 --> 00:22:06.480 A brave man, a true man. 399 00:22:07.440 --> 00:22:12.759 It is his destiny to save the Golden Child. He 400 00:22:13.240 --> 00:22:16.359 is the chosen plot. 401 00:22:17.359 --> 00:22:20.319 If I'm the chosen one, how come I'm freezing while 402 00:22:20.359 --> 00:22:22.599 you're sitting in a one movie theater, I'm going back 403 00:22:22.640 --> 00:22:24.400 to la and kicking somebody's bahar. 404 00:22:25.200 --> 00:22:27.720 This isn't supposed to be happening to me, chosen one, 405 00:22:27.759 --> 00:22:28.480 my behar. 406 00:22:29.839 --> 00:22:31.759 Why can somebody choose me to go to the Bahamas? 407 00:22:32.440 --> 00:22:32.839 Hawaii? 408 00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:33.559 Is nice? 409 00:22:33.880 --> 00:22:40.519 You could send me to Vegas the Chosen way. I 410 00:22:40.839 --> 00:22:45.359 love it right, it describes the whole movie and the 411 00:22:45.400 --> 00:22:48.079 plotline of the film, and and he breaks the fourth wall, 412 00:22:48.079 --> 00:22:49.240 which is which I thought was great. 413 00:22:50.000 --> 00:22:50.400 Mm hmm. 414 00:22:50.960 --> 00:22:55.240 But it's also like when it starts at the beginning 415 00:22:55.279 --> 00:22:58.200 and all the serious stuff, like wouldn't who wouldn't want 416 00:22:58.240 --> 00:22:59.279 to watch that movie? 417 00:23:00.119 --> 00:23:00.240 Right? 418 00:23:00.480 --> 00:23:05.319 Very Yeah, it's so mysterious you want to see more. 419 00:23:05.440 --> 00:23:08.440 And then it's in with the comedy. I mean, geez, 420 00:23:08.519 --> 00:23:09.240 what else can you. 421 00:23:09.200 --> 00:23:13.640 Ask for definitely grasp your attention to Meily right, m m. 422 00:23:14.599 --> 00:23:17.519 It turns out that's not too bad. That's Mammoth Lakes, California. 423 00:23:17.599 --> 00:23:20.000 But strangely enough they did a great job of that too. 424 00:23:20.720 --> 00:23:21.160 Mm hmm. 425 00:23:22.400 --> 00:23:24.640 Well, I do want to point out this is obviously 426 00:23:24.640 --> 00:23:27.559 one of my notes, but the idea of the Golden Child, 427 00:23:27.759 --> 00:23:30.640 right off the bat, this is this is an actual 428 00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:34.799 Buddhist idea, but it is also a theosophical idea. So 429 00:23:35.079 --> 00:23:37.279 I just want to be very clear that when I'm 430 00:23:37.319 --> 00:23:39.640 going to discuss that, I'm going to refer to actual 431 00:23:39.640 --> 00:23:43.440 Buddhist ideas, but I'm aware of the theosophical ideas as well. 432 00:23:43.599 --> 00:23:46.160 And I'm not saying it's bad because it's theosophical. I 433 00:23:46.160 --> 00:23:48.640 think we're a way, we're all kind of past that, 434 00:23:48.920 --> 00:23:52.119 you know, we we can look at things for you know, 435 00:23:52.599 --> 00:23:55.759 the values are truth that they may hold or the false. 436 00:23:55.799 --> 00:24:00.960 Said sure, sure, but obviously a lot of this falls 437 00:24:01.000 --> 00:24:05.640 around the ideas of Tibetan Buddhism. As the main character here, 438 00:24:05.799 --> 00:24:09.319 Axel Foley, they call actual, they call them you know 439 00:24:09.359 --> 00:24:11.240 something else in this film, but it's clearly Axle Fully 440 00:24:11.880 --> 00:24:16.680 and Chandler Jerl Chandler Jerald right, which is a nod. 441 00:24:16.680 --> 00:24:19.440 I guess to the the story that this is kind 442 00:24:19.440 --> 00:24:23.559 of based off of this crime noir story that involves Tibet. 443 00:24:23.720 --> 00:24:26.359 So I guess he went through some rewrites in Hollywood 444 00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:29.119 but end up including which I think is interesting because 445 00:24:29.119 --> 00:24:32.680 it didn't initially include a Satanic cult. That was something 446 00:24:32.680 --> 00:24:33.880 they added on along the way. 447 00:24:34.680 --> 00:24:38.000 Well, this is what's interesting to me. And when I 448 00:24:38.079 --> 00:24:41.000 cover movies, I usually try to like go from the 449 00:24:41.119 --> 00:24:43.400 opening scene all the way through the body of the 450 00:24:43.440 --> 00:24:48.799 movie to the title or the end sequence whatever. Yeah, 451 00:24:48.839 --> 00:24:52.599 and so my first note is that it opens up 452 00:24:52.599 --> 00:24:57.079 in Tibet, and the significance of Tibet. I feel like 453 00:24:57.119 --> 00:25:00.480 it's kind of obvious, just because there have been so 454 00:25:00.559 --> 00:25:05.039 many occultists who were inspired or channeled beings that were 455 00:25:05.079 --> 00:25:12.519 from Tibet, including Madam Blovotsky, Alster Crowley, Alice Bailey. They 456 00:25:12.720 --> 00:25:19.880 all said that they channeled beings, Tibetan beings, and there 457 00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:26.079 was even an expedition. Hitler actually put together this expedition 458 00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:29.279 and it was like some of the best soldiers he 459 00:25:29.359 --> 00:25:33.440 had and he sent them to Tibet and that's where 460 00:25:33.480 --> 00:25:37.759 they brought back the sigill Er symbol of the swastika, 461 00:25:38.400 --> 00:25:42.039 and they hijacked it to do what they did with it. 462 00:25:42.079 --> 00:25:47.000 But so Hitler, Madam Blovotsky, Alster Crowley, and Alice Bailey 463 00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:49.559 all had an obsession with Tibet. 464 00:25:50.160 --> 00:25:55.519 Don't forget rich Peg. The list goes on, right, the 465 00:25:55.559 --> 00:26:00.799 list goes on. Yes, there is the strangeascination with the 466 00:26:01.559 --> 00:26:02.200 you know it's a bet. 467 00:26:02.759 --> 00:26:09.359 Well, I'll add this because obviously I practiced paultrana, so 468 00:26:09.839 --> 00:26:13.039 I will say it's it's sorcery. I mean, like, if 469 00:26:13.079 --> 00:26:16.039 you're interested in magic, it's a it's a real right system, 470 00:26:16.319 --> 00:26:19.480 and it combined Buddhist but it's all Buddhist ideas, so 471 00:26:19.480 --> 00:26:23.039 you're not really judas wizards, right, So you're you're using 472 00:26:23.079 --> 00:26:27.440 your mind. You're using the conceptual ideas of sorcery, especially 473 00:26:27.480 --> 00:26:31.039 like that. You know, every we always laugh, I always tease, 474 00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:34.400 like the dharma practitioners who aren't Asian because obviously I'm 475 00:26:34.400 --> 00:26:37.440 half half, so we call them Westoids. So I'm just 476 00:26:37.480 --> 00:26:39.680 gonna use that really quickly. But it's not in a 477 00:26:39.720 --> 00:26:41.480 pejorative but there. 478 00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:44.519 Is sounds like, bro, what are you talking about that pejorative? 479 00:26:45.160 --> 00:26:48.680 Well, it's because I'm a westjoyd too, really right, because like. 480 00:26:49.240 --> 00:26:53.440 You know, your self identified Westward. It just sounds it 481 00:26:53.519 --> 00:26:55.960 sounds like a negative, you know, some sort of negative 482 00:26:56.160 --> 00:26:57.119 derogatory statement. 483 00:26:57.200 --> 00:27:00.599 Right, you're absolutely, but I think that we that I 484 00:27:00.759 --> 00:27:03.720 like the idea that it could be, like you could say, 485 00:27:03.759 --> 00:27:07.079 the word is like just a vessel that it can contain, 486 00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:09.319 like any idea that we want. So I'm like being 487 00:27:09.440 --> 00:27:13.079 very discordion I guess by self referentially using it. 488 00:27:13.559 --> 00:27:15.079 I'm not gonna lie to you, jen you could convince 489 00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:16.880 me you just made that word up. I have no idea. 490 00:27:16.920 --> 00:27:17.720 I have the first time I've. 491 00:27:17.640 --> 00:27:21.559 Ever heard it, so it's very online. It's very like 492 00:27:21.680 --> 00:27:26.319 probably is it ken It isn't keno keino? It definitely 493 00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:28.759 to me that word too recently. I still I haven't 494 00:27:28.759 --> 00:27:30.799 really grasped the concept. That's what to keep asking, is 495 00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:32.759 that keno? You know? So you know, you always say 496 00:27:32.799 --> 00:27:35.519 it's like it's true keino. That's the real that's the 497 00:27:35.559 --> 00:27:37.240 real way to do it. And if you're really cool 498 00:27:37.359 --> 00:27:40.119 like me, you do the U you do with a V, 499 00:27:40.720 --> 00:27:43.599 so you do like true keino, but it's all lowercase, 500 00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:46.079 and then you do like ko ki n o. 501 00:27:48.319 --> 00:27:50.000 I appreciate, but I'm not sure if I'm many closer 502 00:27:50.039 --> 00:27:52.680 to understanding what is or is not kenus. I probably 503 00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:54.279 can contain to ask these questions. 504 00:27:55.960 --> 00:27:58.880 It just means is it really aesthetic? Is it beautiful? 505 00:27:59.119 --> 00:28:03.119 Is it like capture ring? I kind of the light 506 00:28:03.240 --> 00:28:05.200 has to be captured in a specific way, you can 507 00:28:05.240 --> 00:28:08.400 almost say, a realistic way. There's like filtered through, like 508 00:28:08.559 --> 00:28:12.359 layers of maybe their gradients of color on the screen. 509 00:28:12.400 --> 00:28:15.000 So it's like anything that's really beautiful, like a sunset, 510 00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:16.799 can be very keen. Now that doesn't have to be 511 00:28:16.839 --> 00:28:17.599 on screen. 512 00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:20.880 I think I'd be cracking. I have a very keynote 513 00:28:20.880 --> 00:28:22.799 scene on deck here force in a few minutes from 514 00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:24.480 the film. I think, I think when I bring it up, 515 00:28:24.480 --> 00:28:28.640 I think you'll know what I'm talking about. So this 516 00:28:29.000 --> 00:28:32.640 the film goes into bed right, so we already automatically 517 00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:34.839 right at the start of the film, we see this 518 00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:38.559 Tibetan Buddhism is the is the root of this the 519 00:28:38.640 --> 00:28:41.559 story with this this young child, right they you know, 520 00:28:41.599 --> 00:28:45.799 they're they're they're he's hanging out in the temple right 521 00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:48.559 when we get when he gets uh, what do we 522 00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:50.480 call it kidnapped or budden appt what do we call 523 00:28:50.519 --> 00:28:50.720 on this? 524 00:28:51.640 --> 00:28:52.640 Yeah, kidnapped. 525 00:28:54.480 --> 00:28:56.559 It's not a Buddha alert on everyone's cell phones. 526 00:28:59.519 --> 00:29:00.599 Golden napped? 527 00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:05.240 Well, get my deities mixed up? 528 00:29:05.319 --> 00:29:05.440 Jen? 529 00:29:06.079 --> 00:29:07.599 Is it not at alert? 530 00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:10.759 He You could say he's a he's like a tolku, 531 00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:16.640 which Tolku is like a reincarnated lama. It's like a 532 00:29:16.720 --> 00:29:20.240 lama from a previous rebirth or or a saint or 533 00:29:20.279 --> 00:29:25.440 a Maha sitter or an accomplished master. And so not 534 00:29:25.559 --> 00:29:28.400 all schools of Tibetan Buddhism believe in it, but this 535 00:29:28.640 --> 00:29:31.240 film in particular is very syncretic. Now it is really 536 00:29:31.279 --> 00:29:35.680 important to know that the consultant Ken McLeod wrote a 537 00:29:36.200 --> 00:29:39.759 like it's famous in Badriana circle. So he wrote the 538 00:29:39.799 --> 00:29:43.680 magic of Adriana. So he he gets it. He even 539 00:29:43.759 --> 00:29:46.160 says like I have the wisdom and understanding like he 540 00:29:46.319 --> 00:29:49.279 that's the exact words he uses. So he gets it, 541 00:29:49.359 --> 00:29:52.519 like he's like he's in that clear view whatever he 542 00:29:52.599 --> 00:29:55.079 calls it like a lot of the time anyway, So 543 00:29:55.400 --> 00:29:59.720 he he did not train in the specific school that 544 00:30:01.920 --> 00:30:07.160 practices excuse me, sorry, that believes in Tolku's But obviously 545 00:30:07.279 --> 00:30:09.799 it's drawing from multiple different schools of Buddhism. So you 546 00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:12.599 can see this in the first scene with the yellow hats, 547 00:30:12.920 --> 00:30:16.319 So this is the majority sect, this is the Golupus school. 548 00:30:16.720 --> 00:30:19.880 So when they're wearing the yellow tall yellow hats, that 549 00:30:20.359 --> 00:30:24.799 signifies usually what school they belong to. And it's also 550 00:30:24.880 --> 00:30:27.599 interesting to note that the yellow hats, the yellow hat 551 00:30:28.039 --> 00:30:32.400 Shamans are also a faction of Shamans in Mongolia. So 552 00:30:32.480 --> 00:30:35.319 a lot of this has like Mongolian kind of like 553 00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:38.079 central it's very Central Asian the whole thing. It's not 554 00:30:38.200 --> 00:30:41.359 just Tibetan, Like Tibet used to be a huge empire 555 00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:44.839 right at one time, so that's why it's kind of 556 00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:49.160 like it was a large land like that range really 557 00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:55.240 from Mongolia, Manchuria well into almost Western Asia. 558 00:30:55.440 --> 00:30:58.799 So is this a yellow hats you speak of? Anything 559 00:30:58.839 --> 00:31:03.039 new with the yellow dragons, Well, it is interesting the 560 00:31:03.079 --> 00:31:07.640 gang we see later in the film, it certainly could have. 561 00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:11.359 You know, Temmy Tongs runs the place down at the restaurant. 562 00:31:13.440 --> 00:31:16.119 Well, there's is clearly like an overlap. I think I 563 00:31:16.119 --> 00:31:19.079 think there's like a motif like dragons are not they're 564 00:31:19.240 --> 00:31:23.799 they're they're usually auspicious, meaning like lucky. So they're not inauspicious, 565 00:31:23.799 --> 00:31:26.119 but there are a symbol of like power and strength, 566 00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:29.160 and so yeah, dragons. 567 00:31:28.680 --> 00:31:30.200 And so we've got a lot of dragons here, and 568 00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:33.680 I don't we a lot of naugas for sure. You 569 00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:35.599 even have a half dragon half lady. 570 00:31:36.759 --> 00:31:40.839 Right, yeah, there is one. Well, you know what it 571 00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:44.000 reminded me of actually, just hearing Gin talk about it 572 00:31:44.039 --> 00:31:51.279 a little bit, I'm like halfway retarded when it comes 573 00:31:51.319 --> 00:31:56.319 to like anything other than just like the basics of 574 00:31:56.400 --> 00:31:59.000 like Buddhism, this that like I studied, like the surface 575 00:31:59.079 --> 00:32:01.759 level of stuff. But what it reminded me of was, 576 00:32:02.359 --> 00:32:06.240 did you ever watch Avatar The Last Airbender? And it's 577 00:32:06.559 --> 00:32:10.319 like this kid that keeps getting reincarnated and he's got 578 00:32:10.400 --> 00:32:13.519 like all the power and they have to train him 579 00:32:13.599 --> 00:32:16.279 and he's born every like one hundred years or something 580 00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:18.799 like that. It reminded me a lot of the story 581 00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:22.119 of the Golden Child. For anybody else who watched that show. 582 00:32:22.480 --> 00:32:25.599 I liked it when it was like a nineties Nickelodeon thing. 583 00:32:26.279 --> 00:32:33.000 Yeah I'm doing right now, Julia, that's so really yeah, 584 00:32:33.039 --> 00:32:35.480 but yeah, that is what he is. That's a very 585 00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:39.599 good understanding of like he was an Airbender's he's like 586 00:32:39.640 --> 00:32:42.920 a rebirth of someone who had you could say, quote 587 00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:47.000 unquote magical powers. We would call them like cities or 588 00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:51.000 like spiritual accomplishments more than magic powers. And so he's 589 00:32:51.039 --> 00:32:54.960 reincarnated into a Golden Child. So that's worth exploring. But 590 00:32:55.279 --> 00:32:57.599 I'll let I'll let you decide where you want to 591 00:32:57.640 --> 00:33:00.000 take a JJ but I'm ready with that when you 592 00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:01.000 want to go there. 593 00:33:01.720 --> 00:33:03.559 Yeah, we'll get back for sure. I appreciate that, Jim. 594 00:33:03.559 --> 00:33:05.920 We'll get back to Tibet and chronological order from the film. 595 00:33:05.960 --> 00:33:08.400 I think because they kidnap, we don't really understand who 596 00:33:08.440 --> 00:33:11.640 this child is, the Golden Child, right, we just see him. 597 00:33:11.799 --> 00:33:13.599 We go there. It starts off into Bet like you 598 00:33:13.640 --> 00:33:16.240 point out, Julia, and then this kid gets kid he 599 00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:19.720 gets booed and apt and then next thing you know, 600 00:33:20.119 --> 00:33:21.799 he's in Los. 601 00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:27.440 Angeles and that's where we get introduced to Chandler Jerrell, 602 00:33:28.759 --> 00:33:35.559 who is Eddie Murphy. And yeah, well I do have 603 00:33:35.680 --> 00:33:38.119 a just I like to point out though, some of 604 00:33:38.119 --> 00:33:40.359 the funniest parts in the movie as we go along 605 00:33:40.880 --> 00:33:44.400 and the opening of you know it shows like the 606 00:33:44.440 --> 00:33:47.240 Hollywood Sign and you know, like, okay, we're no longer 607 00:33:47.279 --> 00:33:49.920 in Tibet. This is the transition. Now we're in Hollywood, 608 00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:53.400 and it just shows him walking down the street and 609 00:33:53.559 --> 00:33:58.519 he comes up behind a guy reading chunky Asses at the. 610 00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:00.160 Y. 611 00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:04.319 Yeah, we don't have those anywhere doing the old newsstands. 612 00:34:04.400 --> 00:34:04.559 Right. 613 00:34:06.759 --> 00:34:08.800 I just thought I've always thought that was one of 614 00:34:08.840 --> 00:34:14.760 the funniest parts of the movie. He's like ass pie, right. 615 00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:21.360 I was like, yo. When I watched it recently, I 616 00:34:21.400 --> 00:34:22.559 was like, I don't remember that. 617 00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:24.880 Chunky Asses. 618 00:34:25.039 --> 00:34:26.079 Yeah, I didn't remember that. 619 00:34:29.639 --> 00:34:34.239 Because this is the moment where we first meet Chandler Jerrel. 620 00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:37.639 I have in my notes here. I looked at all 621 00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:40.519 the names, but this is the only name that kind 622 00:34:40.519 --> 00:34:46.679 of stood out to me. Chandler. That name means candle maker, 623 00:34:47.079 --> 00:34:50.559 so I don't know if that's significant, but maybe. But 624 00:34:50.679 --> 00:34:56.119 his last name, Jerrel means spear ruler or rule by 625 00:34:56.199 --> 00:35:00.239 the spear, So we have two different things. That kind 626 00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:03.280 of makes sense for why his name might be Chandler 627 00:35:03.760 --> 00:35:07.360 Jerrel because he's like the chosen one. Maybe he's like 628 00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:10.039 the light in the dark place. He's, you know, the 629 00:35:10.159 --> 00:35:13.599 candle and then he's the spear ruler and then we 630 00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:16.639 get in we see the spear later on in the movie. 631 00:35:17.679 --> 00:35:20.960 But yeah, I think, you know, even down to the names, 632 00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:25.199 you can kind of pull cool stuff out of that. 633 00:35:27.079 --> 00:35:30.039 So to Piggyback or to Riff, I'll call it reffing 634 00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:34.719 our but it was a great point. And so the 635 00:35:34.760 --> 00:35:38.079 spear wielding thing is really interesting because I also noted that, 636 00:35:38.599 --> 00:35:41.320 and because that is the Golden Child, so in especially 637 00:35:41.360 --> 00:35:44.639 in theosophy, So the Golden Child is based off of 638 00:35:44.719 --> 00:35:47.880 the Puranic figure. So when I'm saying Piranhas, that's a 639 00:35:48.079 --> 00:35:53.840 kind of Hindu scripture that was written between about the 640 00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:57.840 first century eighty till about the tenth century. See, so 641 00:35:58.360 --> 00:36:01.480 these aren't the vitas, but this is what more, this 642 00:36:01.599 --> 00:36:04.719 is what modern Hinduism really is based on. So what 643 00:36:04.719 --> 00:36:08.440 people call Hinduism now is not really Vedic. It's really 644 00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:11.280 based on Puranas, which is fine, nothing wrong with that. 645 00:36:11.679 --> 00:36:17.440 So there's a Shiva, so everybody knows Shiva. He's he's blue, 646 00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:21.119 he's ferocious, he has three lines on his forehead. They 647 00:36:21.159 --> 00:36:24.360 worship him usually with a lingam meaning like it's kind 648 00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:27.920 of a phallic stone. Anyways, he has a son with 649 00:36:28.039 --> 00:36:31.360 his wife, whose name is Shakti sometimes and they have 650 00:36:31.400 --> 00:36:35.360 a son named Kumara, which literally means the sun. So 651 00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:39.199 he wields a spear in his right hand. Now, the 652 00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:41.920 reason why he does this is very important because he 653 00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:46.960 throws away the left hand texts into sort of the 654 00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:50.599 primordial water where they get swallowed by a giant whale. 655 00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:56.880 So there's an idea here that the Kumara, so a 656 00:36:56.920 --> 00:37:00.719 person who is thus reborn but it's really an avatar 657 00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:05.360 of this deity, can retrieve these left hand path texts, 658 00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:09.800 thus unifying synthesizing you could say the world tree or 659 00:37:09.800 --> 00:37:14.960 the universe, or conceptual mind with like nonconceptual thinking. Like 660 00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:19.079 it's like a theosophical kind of like christ consciousness sort 661 00:37:19.119 --> 00:37:21.239 of idea, Like they're talking about it like it could 662 00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:23.679 be literal, but then there's also an idea that it 663 00:37:23.719 --> 00:37:27.239 could also be maybe just a process of consciousness. 664 00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:33.079 Sure, sure, you know again, what's this theosophical stuff? You 665 00:37:33.119 --> 00:37:34.920 guys keep coming on? I saw you shake your head, Nick, 666 00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:36.920 What was this? What's all this business about? 667 00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:39.880 And I just thought that was interesting getting into narcissism. 668 00:37:41.000 --> 00:37:43.119 Yeah, what do you think it's interesting about that? 669 00:37:43.960 --> 00:37:47.480 So thinking about covering that myself recently, what. 670 00:37:48.320 --> 00:37:50.239 Do you think about that's interesting? Let's give to the 671 00:37:50.280 --> 00:37:53.719 story here. The narrative of the tales of the Golden Child. 672 00:37:54.719 --> 00:37:57.280 You know, it's a cult understanding of these things, right, 673 00:37:57.320 --> 00:38:00.440 because that is this concept of a golden child, is 674 00:38:00.440 --> 00:38:05.119 that in the theosophical folklore. 675 00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:08.639 I'm like you talking here, Well, this stuff is I 676 00:38:08.679 --> 00:38:09.360 would think the. 677 00:38:11.079 --> 00:38:16.679 Jin Well, it's definitely in theosophy, like it's sheep bulbots heats, definitely. 678 00:38:16.719 --> 00:38:20.559 Alice Bailey definitely talks about it like Nick Suit Golden Town. Yeah, 679 00:38:20.599 --> 00:38:22.519 and there's a it's a gnostic idea too, it's the 680 00:38:22.639 --> 00:38:25.239 seth or the atom, although in this case it's really 681 00:38:25.320 --> 00:38:28.320 the Seth because Seth is the sun. Right, So this 682 00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:31.639 is like a child, so they can't be generative, meaning 683 00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:35.559 that like a father is a fully masculine force, he's generative, 684 00:38:36.440 --> 00:38:39.599 but a son isn't necessarily generative depending on their age. 685 00:38:39.920 --> 00:38:43.400 So that's why they that's why they call it a child. 686 00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:47.280 So I mean, when when you guys have covered like 687 00:38:47.480 --> 00:38:50.519 the you know, we always talk about archetypes and how 688 00:38:50.760 --> 00:38:53.599 it's so important in magic that people embody certain traits. 689 00:38:53.599 --> 00:38:57.159 While child can be both male and female, in a way, 690 00:38:57.519 --> 00:39:00.639 it's heard they're hermetic by themselves because they're not generative, 691 00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:03.480 because they're child. So it's kind of like the perfect 692 00:39:03.559 --> 00:39:05.559 vessel if you want to think of it in a 693 00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:08.960 really theosophical way. The golden vessel is like if you 694 00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:11.440 look at Catholic images. I've talked to Nick about the 695 00:39:11.559 --> 00:39:15.800 million times, but like the Sacred Heart images. I talked 696 00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:17.599 to you JJ million times about this, But the sacred 697 00:39:17.639 --> 00:39:20.519 Heart image is the perfect idea of it. It's the 698 00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:24.320 golden heart. So that's the golden vessel, the golden child, 699 00:39:24.719 --> 00:39:28.079 and the Kumara. So the idea is that you have. 700 00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:29.960 You're talking like a rosen Krucian heart. Does that what 701 00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:30.320 we're come on? 702 00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:30.880 The roads the heart? 703 00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:35.360 Very similar? It's all very interrelated, like there's a I 704 00:39:35.360 --> 00:39:38.039 think there's deep connections to all these things. I mean, 705 00:39:38.079 --> 00:39:41.440 I personally look at everything more axial or I don't 706 00:39:41.480 --> 00:39:45.599 like the word perennial, but sometimes people understand what I'm 707 00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:48.639 talking about. What if I call it that? So yeah, 708 00:39:48.679 --> 00:39:51.559 I think they're all interrelated, and I think theosophy's lifting 709 00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:54.920 like a superficial layer and they're making connections. I don't 710 00:39:54.920 --> 00:39:58.440 all agree with them, but I don't fully discard it either, 711 00:39:58.519 --> 00:40:00.440 because I think that they're also talking about some really 712 00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:04.400 interesting and something also they are talking about like gnostic ideas, 713 00:40:04.599 --> 00:40:08.199 but they're also ideas, and you know they go beyond that. 714 00:40:08.239 --> 00:40:11.239 There's obviously this whole film is about TNTRA, but you 715 00:40:11.239 --> 00:40:15.679 could read it in a very sort of like theosophical 716 00:40:15.679 --> 00:40:18.280 Buddhist kind of way, like a sort of mixture of 717 00:40:18.320 --> 00:40:21.079 the two, and that would totally make sense too. And 718 00:40:21.320 --> 00:40:24.280 because there they all, all of them see this kind 719 00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:29.679 of backdrop as very similar, and obviously theosophy lays like 720 00:40:29.719 --> 00:40:33.280 a kind of narrative groundwork for them to build off of. Now, 721 00:40:33.360 --> 00:40:36.679 Ken McLeod was one of the who is the consultant 722 00:40:36.719 --> 00:40:39.079 for this film, very famous dharma author. 723 00:40:39.719 --> 00:40:41.639 Well, I can already he's a Scot's irishman. 724 00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:44.480 He is he is. He even has an accent JJ, 725 00:40:46.679 --> 00:40:50.440 but he he is. He was one of the last 726 00:40:50.559 --> 00:40:54.039 people to be trained in the pre modern Tibetan way. 727 00:40:54.880 --> 00:40:58.320 So he was like, there aren't very many teachers that 728 00:40:58.360 --> 00:41:01.000 were trained like that, like before or the advent of 729 00:41:01.039 --> 00:41:04.880 like cell phones, Like his teacher didn't even know what 730 00:41:04.920 --> 00:41:08.000 those things really were. They were told it. 731 00:41:08.119 --> 00:41:11.760 Was more of a genuine source instead of a kind 732 00:41:11.800 --> 00:41:15.360 of the bastardization of some of the concepts. I suppose what. 733 00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:18.119 You're saying right right, So he is drawing from like 734 00:41:18.159 --> 00:41:21.960 a real layer. Now he as most vent Buddhists are 735 00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:27.679 open to looking at seeds and other places, but it 736 00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:31.199 requires a high degree of discernment, just like it would 737 00:41:31.320 --> 00:41:34.239 in a cabalistic way. So you the whole idea is 738 00:41:34.239 --> 00:41:37.239 like rectify the words as they are or as you 739 00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:40.519 make them. And so I'm saying words and I know 740 00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:43.840 that's kind of meta, but the words are really important. 741 00:41:43.880 --> 00:41:46.119 And so this comes up a lot in the film obviously, 742 00:41:46.159 --> 00:41:49.679 because you see like the sigils, the Tibetan seed syllables, 743 00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:53.840 you see soundscript writing covering the walls. Obviously this is like, 744 00:41:54.280 --> 00:41:56.719 this is a big part of Buddhist magic is the word. 745 00:41:57.039 --> 00:41:59.119 So you can even hear right away there's even a 746 00:41:59.159 --> 00:42:03.360 relationship with shanity. So there's no there's really there's something 747 00:42:03.400 --> 00:42:06.480 similar between all the different kinds of magic, because that's 748 00:42:06.519 --> 00:42:07.280 really all it is. 749 00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:09.840 Sure, No, I have a couple I have a couple 750 00:42:09.840 --> 00:42:11.880 of scenes with some of that the schedules you're talking about, 751 00:42:12.360 --> 00:42:14.480 we can see some of that stuff. I know what 752 00:42:14.559 --> 00:42:16.719 you mean, Julie about the names and stuff. I definitely 753 00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:19.039 agree with you. One of the weird names in this 754 00:42:19.400 --> 00:42:22.840 film though, is the the valain here that the demon 755 00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:29.320 devil fellow old Sardo Numsa? Right? Does that? Does that 756 00:42:29.400 --> 00:42:32.239 name have any gnostic meanings in this Golden Child references? Nick? 757 00:42:32.280 --> 00:42:33.559 What do you what is his name? What do you 758 00:42:33.559 --> 00:42:36.000 make of the name Sardo Numsa. 759 00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:40.559 One thing I did look up is specifically with that name, 760 00:42:40.639 --> 00:42:46.239 is that him's his name in Chandler Jerrell. Both equal 761 00:42:46.280 --> 00:42:50.360 the same, both equal one English Jamatra. 762 00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:53.800 Oh that's interesting. 763 00:42:53.880 --> 00:42:55.880 Yeah, that was interesting. 764 00:42:56.599 --> 00:42:59.199 Yeah, some deep trimatria there in comparison thing, because that's 765 00:42:59.199 --> 00:43:02.079 a that's a weird ass name, right, Sarto Noomsa. 766 00:43:01.960 --> 00:43:05.199 Yeah, real, real quick, just to like even get some 767 00:43:05.239 --> 00:43:09.440 of my stuff out that. Yeah, you're talking. There's just 768 00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:11.119 certain things that got brought up that I want to 769 00:43:11.119 --> 00:43:16.239 try to cover. When you mentioned the I guess theosophy 770 00:43:16.719 --> 00:43:19.519 I started one of the things. The reason for that 771 00:43:19.519 --> 00:43:21.599 that piqued my interest is because I do think this 772 00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:26.599 movie has Cabbalistic attributes to it, and I do think 773 00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:30.280 if you're into that, if you're into the Hamitaka Bala, 774 00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:33.440 especially like put put it this way, if you're into 775 00:43:33.559 --> 00:43:37.599 Thalima or kind of like looking at the way Crowley 776 00:43:37.599 --> 00:43:37.920 would do. 777 00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:38.360 Stuff. 778 00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:41.519 You'll pull from different areas. So it's like you could 779 00:43:41.599 --> 00:43:46.119 use Buddhism as an image because you can still convey 780 00:43:46.159 --> 00:43:48.639 the message with the way things match up on the 781 00:43:48.639 --> 00:43:53.000 Tree of Life, you know, hermetically and cabbalistically. So I 782 00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:57.360 do think like you could, you know, be you could 783 00:43:57.400 --> 00:43:59.320 be using the Tree of Life and using Norse gods 784 00:43:59.360 --> 00:44:02.559 to tell the story or Greek gods tell the story. 785 00:44:02.760 --> 00:44:03.800 Sure, it doesn't matter. 786 00:44:03.880 --> 00:44:06.920 I put that in my notes to Nick. I think 787 00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:08.320 the exact same. 788 00:44:08.039 --> 00:44:11.199 Thing, And I do think what you're saying. Yeah, And 789 00:44:11.239 --> 00:44:12.239 I do think it might. 790 00:44:12.119 --> 00:44:18.960 Be today starring Keanu Reeves inspired possibly itself like the movie. 791 00:44:20.239 --> 00:44:21.679 One of the reasons is yeah. 792 00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:23.920 And one of the reasons yeah why I wanted to 793 00:44:24.320 --> 00:44:27.199 mention that you had mentioned it, you know, Jin had 794 00:44:27.199 --> 00:44:28.199 mentioned it earlier. 795 00:44:27.960 --> 00:44:28.639 And I was like, fuck it. 796 00:44:28.760 --> 00:44:30.800 Maybe I should have just got my jamatri and stuff 797 00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:33.000 off at the beginning because sometimes it can get boring. 798 00:44:33.079 --> 00:44:36.400 But he called me missed ninety three and then thirty three. Uh, 799 00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:43.000 golden Child in English equals ninety three. It also Saturn 800 00:44:43.480 --> 00:44:49.280 Vishnu moonshot, right, yeah, it equals cash. But tell, I 801 00:44:49.280 --> 00:44:51.280 found this interesting and I tried telling people this, this 802 00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:53.719 is why people were so obsessed with it. Hawked tua 803 00:44:54.280 --> 00:44:59.920 also equals ninety three? Uh it really yeah? 804 00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:02.920 And even hawked to it out of existence. 805 00:45:02.480 --> 00:45:06.679 Of society and Golden Child in Hebrew equals one to seventy. 806 00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:08.000 I found that interesting. 807 00:45:08.039 --> 00:45:09.920 You still get a seventeen and then in ninety three 808 00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:13.239 in a sense, and that does an equal moon lamb 809 00:45:13.280 --> 00:45:15.800 of God in hand of God in April. And I 810 00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:19.719 do find that interesting going with golden Child when it 811 00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:20.400 comes to. 812 00:45:20.480 --> 00:45:22.679 With the what's the significance there with April and the 813 00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:23.360 golden Child? 814 00:45:23.880 --> 00:45:26.960 Well, the golden child in my opinion, even when it 815 00:45:26.960 --> 00:45:31.800 comes to you Kabbala, this fhear of tifferent matches gold 816 00:45:31.840 --> 00:45:33.079 You know that's related with the sun. 817 00:45:33.280 --> 00:45:35.719 And the specific image that you can even use for 818 00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:36.599 that is a child. 819 00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:40.400 So I was gonna ask about images because what's going 820 00:45:40.440 --> 00:45:40.760 on here? 821 00:45:40.840 --> 00:45:40.960 Right? 822 00:45:41.400 --> 00:45:43.239 I didn't want interrupt you, but I feel like there's 823 00:45:43.239 --> 00:45:44.480 a lot going on with this image. 824 00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:46.599 I said the same thing. 825 00:45:47.679 --> 00:45:52.159 It's really interesting, JJ, because you can say that throughout 826 00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:54.679 the film, they also refer to Eddie Murphy as the 827 00:45:54.760 --> 00:45:58.559 chosen One, So who really is the Golden Child? Like 828 00:45:58.639 --> 00:46:01.000 who really is the Golden Child? Is it just like 829 00:46:01.039 --> 00:46:04.679 a production outwards? Is that with that little Asian kid 830 00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:07.599 who is Filipino by the way, not even Tibetan, but. 831 00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:10.440 And and not a boy, that's definitely a girl. 832 00:46:11.920 --> 00:46:16.599 Well, it's very hermetic. I think it feels it almost 833 00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:19.880 to me is someone who's interested in like hermetic kabala. 834 00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:25.519 It does feel like a deliberate choice a girl who appears. 835 00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:27.800 As a boy. Oh oh, I see no, I wasn't 836 00:46:27.800 --> 00:46:31.519 even thinking of that, Nick nicks chacking? What do you 837 00:46:31.559 --> 00:46:32.599 all got on? What do you all got on? 838 00:46:32.639 --> 00:46:35.119 That would be very old like you know, I mean 839 00:46:35.199 --> 00:46:37.880 even even even the old man with you know, wiping 840 00:46:37.880 --> 00:46:40.320 the booger on his ship when he was outside to 841 00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:42.199 dud I think was it at one point? 842 00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:45.400 Was he wearing like orange at some point? That's even 843 00:46:46.039 --> 00:46:46.400 to watch it. 844 00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:47.199 I got that clip right here. 845 00:46:47.639 --> 00:46:49.360 I would even say, that's kind of like where jokes 846 00:46:49.360 --> 00:46:51.199 that would land to as well on whod. 847 00:46:51.559 --> 00:46:52.599 He's a trickster character? 848 00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:54.480 Yeah, well they've already he's a magician. 849 00:46:54.480 --> 00:46:56.679 He's gone there and came back, so he kind of realizes, 850 00:46:56.719 --> 00:46:58.159 like the world is a joke to a sense. 851 00:46:59.199 --> 00:47:01.119 This is the first This is the first time old 852 00:47:01.159 --> 00:47:05.480 actual Axle Foley meets this old wizard man Victor Wong. 853 00:47:06.119 --> 00:47:08.119 But you're right, he does have some o engine here. 854 00:47:08.119 --> 00:47:10.199 I think he's got some red. But which is it's 855 00:47:10.280 --> 00:47:11.639 kind of the same color as I was thinking of 856 00:47:11.679 --> 00:47:13.679 this back background of this image right of the. 857 00:47:14.559 --> 00:47:18.039 Left to that would orange black and uh red. 858 00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:21.800 Let's let's watch this this quick clip of when these 859 00:47:21.800 --> 00:47:23.440 two meet in the film. It's quite comical. 860 00:47:25.920 --> 00:47:28.320 Hey, wait a second. You take a hundred You took 861 00:47:28.360 --> 00:47:31.800 the hundred. No, that's no seed one dollar. See one 862 00:47:31.840 --> 00:47:35.360 dollars for you see the George Washington, that's Benjamin Franklin. 863 00:47:35.400 --> 00:47:42.559 That's not happening. You've just you got the wrong money. 864 00:47:43.199 --> 00:47:47.920 Can I have my money back? And you gave me 865 00:47:47.920 --> 00:47:51.480 the wrong necklace too, breaking my hot ass wipe? 866 00:47:53.199 --> 00:47:56.239 Well you speak English just fine, so a lot of it. 867 00:47:58.039 --> 00:48:00.159 Hey listen, man, give me one hundred back, take this 868 00:48:00.199 --> 00:48:01.800 down and take this to give me the right. 869 00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:04.679 One monkey breast puke face eat of turtles time. 870 00:48:06.559 --> 00:48:09.760 Uh, okay, tell you what, Just give me my shit. 871 00:48:09.880 --> 00:48:10.440 You take your ship. 872 00:48:10.559 --> 00:48:13.119 I watch Scotch pocket. Okay, you slick. 873 00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:13.840 Shit hits. 874 00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:18.400 That Victor Wong, he's a character. 875 00:48:20.599 --> 00:48:22.360 At some point when he's wearing his hat. I'm pretty 876 00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:24.119 sure he's an orange, like an orange. 877 00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:25.559 Yeah, maybe in this side of the Temple. 878 00:48:25.599 --> 00:48:25.880 I have that. 879 00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:27.400 I have that clip as well. He turns into a 880 00:48:27.400 --> 00:48:29.920 bird there, right, which I don't know all this bird 881 00:48:29.960 --> 00:48:33.360 stuff with the cultism or not or any esoterically, but 882 00:48:33.800 --> 00:48:35.519 there's a bird guide in this film and then that 883 00:48:35.559 --> 00:48:37.360 dude turns into a bird at one point, So I 884 00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:39.000 thought that was kind of strange, you know what. 885 00:48:39.199 --> 00:48:42.800 The first miracle though, that he performs at the very 886 00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:46.440 beginning of the movie is resurrect there's a bird, the 887 00:48:46.599 --> 00:48:50.639 dead parrot, but it's that parrot, the same parrot that 888 00:48:50.719 --> 00:48:56.159 follows him throughout the movie that the Wong guy transforms into. 889 00:48:56.239 --> 00:48:59.440 So he's actually the parrot from the beginning of the 890 00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:03.639 movie because if you, yeah, if you notice, like right 891 00:49:03.719 --> 00:49:07.000 as they kidnap him, that parrot fly out the door 892 00:49:07.159 --> 00:49:09.599 and then it follows him throughout the movie, and then 893 00:49:09.639 --> 00:49:13.719 he turns into the little Asian guy at the market, 894 00:49:13.840 --> 00:49:16.239 and that's the first time you realize the parrot is 895 00:49:16.280 --> 00:49:20.440 actually this shaman guy. If for lack of a better term, 896 00:49:20.519 --> 00:49:24.000 but I was gonna say, it's interesting that they chose 897 00:49:24.039 --> 00:49:28.159 a girl to play a boy in this movie, or 898 00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:31.679 however you want to think about it, because and then 899 00:49:32.039 --> 00:49:37.599 Jen said that she was Filipino and not even whatever 900 00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:43.199 Tibetan or whatever. There's whatever he's supposed to be. But 901 00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:48.880 m Night Shamalan did that same shit when he did 902 00:49:48.920 --> 00:49:52.199 the live action version of Avatar the Last Airbender, because 903 00:49:52.239 --> 00:49:55.719 it was supposed to be an Asian boy and the 904 00:49:55.760 --> 00:50:01.400 cartoon is like an Asian cartoon. I don't think it's Japanese, 905 00:50:01.480 --> 00:50:04.480 but it might be. But anyways, he picked a white kid, 906 00:50:05.360 --> 00:50:10.199 and he also changed the race of like all the 907 00:50:10.320 --> 00:50:16.199 different tribes and like made one tribe like people from India, 908 00:50:16.239 --> 00:50:21.519 and he made another tribe like all Caucasians. And he 909 00:50:21.639 --> 00:50:25.079 basically took the idea and he like switched it all 910 00:50:25.159 --> 00:50:27.400 up and made it weird, and people hated that because 911 00:50:27.400 --> 00:50:31.400 it didn't follow the story like the cartoon. But I 912 00:50:31.440 --> 00:50:33.880 do think it's interesting because it's like the same idea 913 00:50:33.880 --> 00:50:39.199 of this Last Airbender, you know, the Avatar, and he's 914 00:50:39.199 --> 00:50:42.039 supposed to be this, and that he took the character, 915 00:50:42.199 --> 00:50:45.920 made it a white kid, and then changed all the 916 00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:49.719 other races throughout the tribes. So I don't know, it 917 00:50:49.719 --> 00:50:51.400 could be significant in some way. 918 00:50:52.760 --> 00:50:58.639 Yeah, right, yeah, for sure. I wanted that's a great point, Julia. 919 00:50:58.800 --> 00:51:00.960 I want to just hit you up or riff off 920 00:51:00.960 --> 00:51:03.199 that and and talk about the parrot for a moment. 921 00:51:03.280 --> 00:51:07.000 And this is a really significant contric kind of bird 922 00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:10.119 because it is one of the well in Tandre at 923 00:51:10.159 --> 00:51:11.840 least it is considered to be the only bird that 924 00:51:11.880 --> 00:51:16.000 can mimic human speech. So it is the if you 925 00:51:16.039 --> 00:51:18.000 want to liken it to like a goddess that you 926 00:51:18.079 --> 00:51:20.480 can then google or look up an image of her. 927 00:51:20.719 --> 00:51:24.880 It's called Matongi. Interestingly, the rap artist m i A 928 00:51:24.880 --> 00:51:28.480 also had an album called Matonghi. So it is the 929 00:51:28.519 --> 00:51:33.480 goddess who is very tipperatic. So there's another tipperatic element 930 00:51:33.559 --> 00:51:35.920 actually in the naga kanya. So you guys were talking 931 00:51:35.920 --> 00:51:40.039 about before the snake woman or the snake princess, that's 932 00:51:40.119 --> 00:51:44.719 what she was, the dragon lady. She's anten. So this 933 00:51:44.880 --> 00:51:49.480 is like, this is a traditional ideas that a naga 934 00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:52.119 kanya can tell is like a prophet or a seer, 935 00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:56.079 like someone who has like because they're in both worlds. 936 00:51:56.079 --> 00:51:58.480 A naga lives in the subtle world, meaning like the 937 00:51:58.519 --> 00:52:02.559 spirit world, but lives or a person lives in the 938 00:52:02.639 --> 00:52:05.719 human world in the animal world, so she's like half 939 00:52:05.719 --> 00:52:08.159 and half, so she's like liminal, so she's able to 940 00:52:08.239 --> 00:52:10.800 access maybe more spiritual knowledge. 941 00:52:12.199 --> 00:52:14.119 Interesting, what are your thoughts on this? Common here we 942 00:52:14.199 --> 00:52:17.440 got Golden Child brings to mind the Golden Boy and 943 00:52:17.599 --> 00:52:20.920 Jade Girl of Chinese miss servants of the Jade Emperor 944 00:52:20.960 --> 00:52:23.239 who said to Guy the good people to paradise. 945 00:52:23.719 --> 00:52:28.000 This is a great Yeah, this is a book comment. Sorry, 946 00:52:29.320 --> 00:52:33.480 it's very it's very keyo. Yeah, well, okay, So the 947 00:52:33.519 --> 00:52:36.320 Buddhist idea is that it's they're the servants of guan Yin. 948 00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:40.039 So if you look at Daoist depictions, not Buddhist depictions, 949 00:52:40.079 --> 00:52:42.679 but Diaoist depictions of her, she'll be with the two children. 950 00:52:43.119 --> 00:52:46.519 So the Jade Girl is obviously that's the stone of us, 951 00:52:46.559 --> 00:52:49.559 stone of nut SoC and the and then the Golden 952 00:52:49.599 --> 00:52:53.000 Boy he is tiporetic, but because he's a child, he's 953 00:52:53.320 --> 00:52:55.639 it's like a ono for a ship like that, I mean, 954 00:52:55.679 --> 00:52:58.480 that's what that's what it is. He's like, he's he's 955 00:52:58.519 --> 00:53:01.639 going on the path from hoad to the Sun, from 956 00:53:01.719 --> 00:53:05.199 hoad to tifferent basically nice, you. 957 00:53:05.159 --> 00:53:07.880 Know, since we were speaking Cabala, real quick. I just 958 00:53:09.559 --> 00:53:11.280 was in there. Jj uh. 959 00:53:11.519 --> 00:53:14.760 At some point later on in the movie, this lady Keenang, 960 00:53:14.800 --> 00:53:17.480 however you say her name, she does have like a 961 00:53:17.519 --> 00:53:19.800 green I don't know if it's jade, but she does 962 00:53:19.840 --> 00:53:22.159 have like a green necklace on at some point. And 963 00:53:23.079 --> 00:53:24.960 I do think again because of the child, I think 964 00:53:25.079 --> 00:53:29.159 is is Tifferate. I do think that some point he 965 00:53:29.679 --> 00:53:32.760 Eddie Murphy is playing Hoad, and I do think she's 966 00:53:32.760 --> 00:53:35.719 playing Netsuck. And I do think you actually see like 967 00:53:36.360 --> 00:53:38.039 in a sense throughout the movie. I do think it's 968 00:53:38.079 --> 00:53:40.960 actually crossing the ambiss and coming back, you know, and 969 00:53:40.960 --> 00:53:42.440 fighting the demons as part of it. 970 00:53:42.760 --> 00:53:45.320 You know that story in Greens associated with that the 971 00:53:45.360 --> 00:53:47.679 color of green or the stone of or jade or something. 972 00:53:47.960 --> 00:53:50.599 Yeah, Well, to show, yeah, she would be Netsuck, which 973 00:53:50.599 --> 00:53:52.800 would be the which would be a female green sphere 974 00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:55.639 at the bottom of the tree, right underneath the golden child. 975 00:53:55.719 --> 00:53:57.880 And then you have Eddie Murphy, I think would be 976 00:53:57.960 --> 00:54:03.000 the guy on the left, the black pillar, but the 977 00:54:03.079 --> 00:54:06.320 orange guy, you know, the orange fear, you know. 978 00:54:06.360 --> 00:54:08.800 And I do think they throughout the story. I think 979 00:54:08.840 --> 00:54:10.320 they go up the tree. 980 00:54:10.559 --> 00:54:12.360 I think you see a progression going up the tree 981 00:54:12.360 --> 00:54:15.039 and I do think like the parrot or whatever that 982 00:54:15.039 --> 00:54:18.519 bird is, that rainbow bird could possibly be the rainbow 983 00:54:18.519 --> 00:54:22.679 that emanates from NETSC to Hoad. There was a that 984 00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:25.119 and I also, like from my own experience, I had 985 00:54:25.159 --> 00:54:27.480 wondered if, if it is a story of crossing the 986 00:54:27.519 --> 00:54:30.039 abyss and going up the tree of life, could that 987 00:54:30.119 --> 00:54:32.360 be like the rainbow bridge that you will witness before 988 00:54:32.360 --> 00:54:33.119 you bless off. 989 00:54:36.199 --> 00:54:37.800 You're following that the whole way. 990 00:54:37.920 --> 00:54:39.199 Yeah. 991 00:54:39.280 --> 00:54:43.800 Yeah, it is a rainbow bird, very rainbowie mm hmmm. 992 00:54:44.440 --> 00:54:47.320 So we're talking dragon ladies, we're talking all this Eastern 993 00:54:47.440 --> 00:54:51.480 mysticism stuff. I got a clip relative to the film 994 00:54:51.519 --> 00:54:53.320 Her nineties one. In fact, it is indeed a clip 995 00:54:53.360 --> 00:54:56.880 from the film, and it describes all these things, the 996 00:54:56.920 --> 00:55:01.440 Golden childs, the chosen Ones, the dragon ladies. And I'll 997 00:55:01.440 --> 00:55:03.000 bring that up for us, right meow. 998 00:55:03.760 --> 00:55:05.719 So if something happens to the kid, the whole world 999 00:55:05.719 --> 00:55:06.199 goes to hell. 1000 00:55:06.519 --> 00:55:07.880 The world will become hell. 1001 00:55:08.480 --> 00:55:11.639 Ah not far from that. 1002 00:55:11.800 --> 00:55:14.360 Now, listen, who we want to take the kid anyway? 1003 00:55:14.719 --> 00:55:17.679 Those who want evil rather than good? 1004 00:55:21.719 --> 00:55:23.239 Can you be a little bit more specific? 1005 00:55:23.519 --> 00:55:25.199 We do not know what took him. 1006 00:55:26.119 --> 00:55:26.960 Well, could you. 1007 00:55:26.880 --> 00:55:28.480 Tell me why the people that took him and trying 1008 00:55:28.480 --> 00:55:29.280 to make him eat blood. 1009 00:55:29.800 --> 00:55:33.559 Nothing in this world will hurt him. But if you 1010 00:55:33.599 --> 00:55:38.840 were to pollute himself with anything impure, he would become vulnerable. 1011 00:55:40.280 --> 00:55:45.639 Okay, so if they if he eats the blood, they 1012 00:55:45.679 --> 00:55:46.280 could kill him. 1013 00:55:46.840 --> 00:55:51.559 Yes, Oh, do you have any other questions? 1014 00:55:54.119 --> 00:55:57.360 As a matter of fact, I do. What are you 1015 00:55:57.440 --> 00:56:06.480 doing this weekend? Because your silhouette is kicking Tibb plays 1016 00:56:06.519 --> 00:56:07.199 in maraccas too. 1017 00:56:10.039 --> 00:56:11.360 This is the Chosen One? 1018 00:56:13.159 --> 00:56:16.039 Yes, I mean people certainly do put on a good show. 1019 00:56:16.079 --> 00:56:16.960 Where'd you find her at? 1020 00:56:17.440 --> 00:56:19.960 She's the labrarian of the city repository at Percossin. 1021 00:56:20.480 --> 00:56:22.719 She was blown him to help us. She's at three 1022 00:56:22.800 --> 00:56:23.519 hundred years old. 1023 00:56:24.960 --> 00:56:25.719 How she managed that. 1024 00:56:25.800 --> 00:56:28.440 One of her ancestors draped by a dragon? 1025 00:56:32.079 --> 00:56:38.639 Does that happen a lot with your front? So three 1026 00:56:38.760 --> 00:56:42.039 hundred year dragon? You know, three hundred year old dragon 1027 00:56:42.119 --> 00:56:45.679 rapes aside? You know, we we got a good, good 1028 00:56:45.760 --> 00:56:47.760 slight picture there on what's going on with this narrative 1029 00:56:47.800 --> 00:56:51.079 here with the Golden Child and the Chosen One? And 1030 00:56:51.559 --> 00:56:53.400 how how old the number three? 1031 00:56:53.480 --> 00:56:53.599 Though? 1032 00:56:53.679 --> 00:56:53.920 JJ? 1033 00:56:54.679 --> 00:56:56.760 Like what's that with the number of stories? Yeah? 1034 00:56:56.920 --> 00:56:59.280 Like when they're saying like three hundred she's three hundred 1035 00:56:59.400 --> 00:57:03.280 years old. You could say that they're talking about Bena, 1036 00:57:03.480 --> 00:57:05.440 or you could also say that time as I was 1037 00:57:05.480 --> 00:57:06.239 divided by three. 1038 00:57:06.719 --> 00:57:08.880 See, you had a good lifespan for a half dragon 1039 00:57:08.960 --> 00:57:12.400 half human. What's the average lifespan there? 1040 00:57:14.159 --> 00:57:16.079 I mean it could be like a thousand years could 1041 00:57:16.119 --> 00:57:17.519 be I was gonna say. 1042 00:57:18.320 --> 00:57:19.559 I feel like I feel like they came in. They 1043 00:57:19.599 --> 00:57:21.079 feel like they came in short with the three hundred, 1044 00:57:21.079 --> 00:57:22.480 So I feel like that might mean something right with 1045 00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:24.679 the you know, they may have intentionally put it as 1046 00:57:24.719 --> 00:57:27.840 three hundred for some reason, right, I had thought, so 1047 00:57:28.119 --> 00:57:30.360 you're and your dragon should be much older in my opinion, 1048 00:57:30.679 --> 00:57:31.719 so I'm on an older dragon. 1049 00:57:32.400 --> 00:57:35.840 Even with her, I look at her aspect as almost 1050 00:57:35.920 --> 00:57:38.840 being like gym Pa, you see this too, be Nah, 1051 00:57:39.800 --> 00:57:41.599 You never really get to see her except for that 1052 00:57:41.679 --> 00:57:43.840 one point. And again it's because she's more of like 1053 00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:46.639 a voice in your mind or an idea. She's not 1054 00:57:46.760 --> 00:57:49.880 really an actual image until you do see her. And 1055 00:57:50.000 --> 00:57:54.000 then in my opinion, a lot of either sometimes some 1056 00:57:54.559 --> 00:57:59.119 dragon or maybe a reptile like symbolism. I even think 1057 00:57:59.199 --> 00:58:03.000 some of the aliens from the Alien movie is like 1058 00:58:03.280 --> 00:58:08.920 part of the brain, possibly the hippo campus. So you know, 1059 00:58:09.079 --> 00:58:12.000 then then again that would be the mind. You know, 1060 00:58:12.119 --> 00:58:14.400 you're really just to get thoughts. You're not like an 1061 00:58:14.440 --> 00:58:19.320 actual thing yet again you're she's behind something, you're just 1062 00:58:19.400 --> 00:58:20.079 hearing something. 1063 00:58:20.599 --> 00:58:21.400 Just what does that call? 1064 00:58:21.440 --> 00:58:24.400 You don't have nothing to attach that to except for 1065 00:58:24.440 --> 00:58:26.360 that silhouette that he found that he thought was banging 1066 00:58:26.440 --> 00:58:30.239 or whatever he said? Right, and she plays the maracas 1067 00:58:30.880 --> 00:58:32.880 literal is you gonna sub later around naked all day 1068 00:58:32.920 --> 00:58:34.480 watching soap opera, smoking cigarettes? 1069 00:58:34.519 --> 00:58:35.039 Associated? 1070 00:58:36.360 --> 00:58:41.039 Yeah, he gets upset and he gets all about hurt, right, 1071 00:58:41.079 --> 00:58:42.960 because he doesn't want to be the chosen one, right, 1072 00:58:43.880 --> 00:58:46.039 he goes to take it out on the dragon lady 1073 00:58:46.079 --> 00:58:51.679 amongst other folks. But right, this is just the picture 1074 00:58:51.760 --> 00:58:55.480 of her upper torso, yeah, we never. 1075 00:58:55.440 --> 00:58:58.199 Get to we never get to see the dragon tail. 1076 00:58:59.039 --> 00:59:04.360 Well they show it, right, but it's like because he 1077 00:59:04.440 --> 00:59:06.320 knocks down the thing at one point, right. 1078 00:59:06.920 --> 00:59:09.719 Yes, right, did we get to see the hotel? 1079 00:59:10.639 --> 00:59:13.960 It's pretty good, right, yeap? 1080 00:59:14.440 --> 00:59:16.159 Yeap, Yeah, there we go the. 1081 00:59:16.119 --> 00:59:17.840 Best image I can get. It's kind of grainy, but 1082 00:59:18.679 --> 00:59:19.440 mm hmmm. 1083 00:59:20.760 --> 00:59:23.159 So she reveals like who she is? Like that was 1084 00:59:23.239 --> 00:59:24.719 really good, nick, I appreciate that. 1085 00:59:25.559 --> 00:59:28.280 So what's the dragon mean for for Eastern stuff there? 1086 00:59:28.400 --> 00:59:31.960 Jim, Well, it goes with what Nick was saying about 1087 00:59:32.000 --> 00:59:36.480 being on like how it's like it brings you good seductive, 1088 00:59:36.679 --> 00:59:39.199 so it like brings you closer and then it reveals 1089 00:59:39.239 --> 00:59:42.320 what it really is behind the veil. That's how you 1090 00:59:42.400 --> 00:59:46.239 could maybe describe it. And so she she's like a 1091 00:59:46.880 --> 00:59:50.599 she would say that she's the wife of Rahu, who 1092 00:59:50.719 --> 00:59:53.760 is the dragon of the eclipse. So there's a common 1093 00:59:53.880 --> 00:59:58.519 misconception on astrology Twitter that somehow that worshiping deities of 1094 00:59:58.679 --> 01:00:03.400 Saturn are related to side and like Collie remove Rahu 1095 01:00:03.599 --> 01:00:06.519 from a birth chart. That's actually not true. I don't 1096 01:00:06.519 --> 01:00:09.199 even know who came up with that. It actually densifies 1097 01:00:09.639 --> 01:00:12.360 his presence in a chart that's like a very basic 1098 01:00:12.480 --> 01:00:16.079 contract knowledge. So I just want to point that out. 1099 01:00:16.159 --> 01:00:19.559 Is that where he's where he sort of So what 1100 01:00:19.679 --> 01:00:22.440 I'm trying to say is that at Saturn, like if 1101 01:00:22.440 --> 01:00:27.480 he has a Saturnian sort of vibration, he would actually appear, 1102 01:00:27.719 --> 01:00:29.960 it would appear a lot more snakelike, it would be 1103 01:00:30.159 --> 01:00:31.840 very serpentine, but. 1104 01:00:32.719 --> 01:00:34.360 More sneak stuff than dragon stuff. 1105 01:00:34.440 --> 01:00:36.920 Kind of, Yes, that's exactly that's that's a really good 1106 01:00:36.960 --> 01:00:39.000 way to put it, JJ is that you would see 1107 01:00:39.039 --> 01:00:41.960 more of a serpent, and then once you move away 1108 01:00:42.039 --> 01:00:45.800 from Bena, you would maybe it would make more sense 1109 01:00:45.800 --> 01:00:47.840 as more of a cosmic or mythical. 1110 01:00:47.559 --> 01:00:50.559 Being because he's got a rattler on the back end 1111 01:00:50.599 --> 01:00:53.880 of this thing. I was going to say that, mm hmm, 1112 01:00:54.880 --> 01:00:55.840 what I'm talking about. 1113 01:00:56.159 --> 01:00:59.400 That shaker deal on the back. But you know what, 1114 01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:05.800 I think that they use colors and weird stuff like 1115 01:01:05.920 --> 01:01:09.599 that this entire movie. And I I'm not I'm not 1116 01:01:09.920 --> 01:01:13.159 good enough with occultism to tell you what it means. 1117 01:01:13.239 --> 01:01:19.840 But it's always like Yellow Dragon, biker gang and then 1118 01:01:20.480 --> 01:01:24.880 you know, yeah, and then it's like I feel like 1119 01:01:24.960 --> 01:01:29.239 they mispronounced things on purpose, and I don't know why 1120 01:01:29.400 --> 01:01:34.519 that might be significant. Like the main bad guy, Sarto numpspah, 1121 01:01:35.280 --> 01:01:41.079 he can't say, he can't say he's like miss d 1122 01:01:41.239 --> 01:01:49.159 Yarral anything that already, but he he also can't you know, 1123 01:01:49.280 --> 01:01:52.719 it says like he's supposed to find the cross dagger 1124 01:01:52.800 --> 01:01:56.000 of a Jaunty and he goes the cross dagger of 1125 01:01:56.119 --> 01:01:59.840 a Yanti. Like he can't say, he can't say. 1126 01:01:59.760 --> 01:02:02.159 Gang should have you are correct about that? 1127 01:02:02.960 --> 01:02:06.239 Yeah, And so I thought that was agree. 1128 01:02:06.239 --> 01:02:09.480 He's pretty he's pretty uh you know, as far as 1129 01:02:09.559 --> 01:02:11.199 villains go, he's a pretty good villain. 1130 01:02:11.960 --> 01:02:14.800 Yeah, he's a ginger. Of course, they make the ginger 1131 01:02:14.920 --> 01:02:17.679 the bad guy every single freaking time. 1132 01:02:18.360 --> 01:02:20.320 Gingers have no soult, So I mean it makes sense 1133 01:02:20.480 --> 01:02:21.079 he would play. 1134 01:02:21.119 --> 01:02:24.719 Well, you know, JJ, I take that personally. 1135 01:02:25.239 --> 01:02:28.079 But I'm half ginger, Julia, I understand what you're saying. 1136 01:02:28.079 --> 01:02:30.639 I'm just saying, like, you know, it's a perfect role 1137 01:02:30.719 --> 01:02:31.480 for him, right, he's. 1138 01:02:31.320 --> 01:02:36.400 A ginger, right right, Yeah, But so I think to 1139 01:02:36.599 --> 01:02:40.679 back up a little bit, like Sure Chandler, he's like 1140 01:02:40.800 --> 01:02:42.760 on this talk show and he says he's looking for 1141 01:02:42.880 --> 01:02:47.599 this sixteen year old girl. And that's another moment. Okay, 1142 01:02:47.719 --> 01:02:50.320 I was gonna say, like, that's at the beginning of 1143 01:02:50.400 --> 01:02:53.079 the movie, but the rest of it, like the blood 1144 01:02:53.159 --> 01:02:56.840 sacrificing and all that stuff, won't make sense until we 1145 01:02:57.039 --> 01:02:59.840 mentioned the part where he's like, that's how he gets 1146 01:02:59.880 --> 01:03:01.880 in introduce it to the stories. He goes on this 1147 01:03:02.079 --> 01:03:07.280 talk show and he says he's looking for Eryl Moseley 1148 01:03:07.679 --> 01:03:09.000 or whatever her name is. 1149 01:03:09.320 --> 01:03:13.199 Yes, ma'am, yeah, and if I, if I may, I 1150 01:03:13.280 --> 01:03:14.840 thank you for kicking this off. I got that clip 1151 01:03:14.920 --> 01:03:16.480 right here if we can, we can watch that here 1152 01:03:16.559 --> 01:03:17.000 for the folks. 1153 01:03:17.159 --> 01:03:18.480 Yeah, it's so hilarious. 1154 01:03:18.679 --> 01:03:21.440 Pack some of this because this is the cross section, right. 1155 01:03:21.480 --> 01:03:24.920 So they came from Tibet to Los Angeles and they 1156 01:03:24.960 --> 01:03:27.400 were just talking about not eating not eating blood. This 1157 01:03:27.559 --> 01:03:30.360 is the cross section of the boot Tibetan Buddhism and 1158 01:03:30.440 --> 01:03:33.920 the Satanism here in America. Cross section here in Los Angeles. 1159 01:03:33.960 --> 01:03:41.519 Here with this clip. Now, let's let's talk about tortoises. Judy, 1160 01:03:41.559 --> 01:03:42.679 what have we got here? This is great. 1161 01:03:42.760 --> 01:03:45.000 Oh, this is Teddy and he's eighty years old. We're 1162 01:03:45.079 --> 01:03:46.360 eighty dark. 1163 01:03:46.519 --> 01:03:47.239 He's one man. 1164 01:03:47.400 --> 01:03:48.440 Teddy can kissed my ass. 1165 01:03:48.480 --> 01:03:48.679 Listen. 1166 01:03:48.719 --> 01:03:49.920 I'm trying to find this girl. 1167 01:03:50.159 --> 01:03:51.639 Okay. Her name is Cheryl Mosley. 1168 01:03:51.800 --> 01:03:54.360 She was last seen on Violin down in North Floud 1169 01:03:54.440 --> 01:03:56.199 with you out in a sweater and a skirt. I'd 1170 01:03:56.239 --> 01:03:58.760 appreciate if you're contacting me at four sixteight eight point 1171 01:03:58.840 --> 01:04:01.000 nine two. I could come shut up man, if she 1172 01:04:01.079 --> 01:04:03.079 had any information that leads to the finding of this girl. 1173 01:04:03.199 --> 01:04:04.679 I'd appreciated your contact me. 1174 01:04:04.880 --> 01:04:05.000 Yo. 1175 01:04:05.159 --> 01:04:07.280 Hey, if you don't put the camera out, bust your 1176 01:04:07.320 --> 01:04:10.519 ass man. Lead the camera on show Mosley Chandler Joe 1177 01:04:10.599 --> 01:04:13.239 twenty Files the eight point nine two that you can 1178 01:04:13.280 --> 01:04:14.760 talk about whatever you want to talk about with the 1179 01:04:14.840 --> 01:04:16.599 toy set and when that excuse. 1180 01:04:18.199 --> 01:04:20.679 So that's that's how Chandler Jerald gets ripped in here 1181 01:04:20.719 --> 01:04:24.159 as the chosen One because homegirl there, martial arts expert 1182 01:04:24.280 --> 01:04:27.239 and mysterious wizard lady. She's a finds them. 1183 01:04:27.400 --> 01:04:28.159 She's a zacchini. 1184 01:04:29.119 --> 01:04:29.480 What is this? 1185 01:04:29.840 --> 01:04:30.079 What is it? 1186 01:04:30.159 --> 01:04:30.760 A zucchini? 1187 01:04:31.800 --> 01:04:35.360 She's a jicchini. She's like a yoga practitioner. And she's 1188 01:04:35.400 --> 01:04:38.599 obviously like gained some cities, like some accomplishments. 1189 01:04:40.239 --> 01:04:42.519 She's got skill sets. You got some skills. 1190 01:04:43.239 --> 01:04:46.199 Yeah, she's a real badass and you know when I 1191 01:04:46.920 --> 01:04:48.719 don't know if it's time for me to say it 1192 01:04:48.920 --> 01:04:53.360 just yet, but in classic eighties style, one of the 1193 01:04:53.559 --> 01:04:56.280 first scenes where she's like going off with her bad 1194 01:04:56.360 --> 01:04:58.679 ass ory, of course, she has to kick a fucking 1195 01:04:58.800 --> 01:05:01.480 pipe down in her tit they're all wet and flopping 1196 01:05:01.559 --> 01:05:04.719 around and stuff, and her nips are showing through her shirt. 1197 01:05:05.199 --> 01:05:11.320 Is like classic eighties uh, you know, but she's actually 1198 01:05:11.960 --> 01:05:12.079 was that. 1199 01:05:12.119 --> 01:05:13.199 The Yellow Dragons fight? 1200 01:05:13.360 --> 01:05:13.480 Was that? 1201 01:05:13.719 --> 01:05:14.159 Was? That? Was that? 1202 01:05:14.239 --> 01:05:16.440 The same fight when they give the Yellow Dragons. 1203 01:05:16.840 --> 01:05:22.920 Yes, but I actually yeah, had you seen her in 1204 01:05:22.960 --> 01:05:23.760 any other movies? 1205 01:05:25.079 --> 01:05:27.719 No, I don't think I have sense either, quite honestly. 1206 01:05:27.880 --> 01:05:27.920 No. 1207 01:05:28.119 --> 01:05:29.239 And she's so cute. 1208 01:05:29.920 --> 01:05:34.639 She's so cute, The Golden Boy Girl, the Golden Child 1209 01:05:34.920 --> 01:05:37.000 that they didn't act again either, apparently this was their 1210 01:05:37.039 --> 01:05:37.519 only film. 1211 01:05:37.920 --> 01:05:42.000 Sure, But so I was gonna mention because I said, like, 1212 01:05:42.079 --> 01:05:44.239 I feel like they use colors a lot, like with 1213 01:05:44.360 --> 01:05:45.519 the Yellow Dragon and. 1214 01:05:45.559 --> 01:05:45.880 This and that. 1215 01:05:46.320 --> 01:05:48.679 If you really go back and watch the movie and 1216 01:05:48.760 --> 01:05:52.320 you count how many times they use blue, it just 1217 01:05:52.519 --> 01:05:56.039 is weird to me because like even that clip you 1218 01:05:56.199 --> 01:05:58.480 just showed the talk show, the curtain in the background 1219 01:05:58.639 --> 01:06:01.559 is blue. He's wearing a blue blue shirt. And then 1220 01:06:01.639 --> 01:06:04.039 at the end the well, there's a lot of blue 1221 01:06:04.079 --> 01:06:06.880 in the middle, but like at the end, like two 1222 01:06:07.079 --> 01:06:10.119 or three of the characters are all wearing blue shirts. 1223 01:06:10.440 --> 01:06:13.199 And so I don't know if that's significant in some way, 1224 01:06:13.320 --> 01:06:15.679 but I think the colors are a big deal. 1225 01:06:16.639 --> 01:06:17.840 No, I'm truly are sure. 1226 01:06:18.360 --> 01:06:22.400 Sorry, JJ, go ahead, Jane, that was great noticing Julia. 1227 01:06:22.519 --> 01:06:26.800 Let me just say, even when he says bring the 1228 01:06:26.880 --> 01:06:29.760 camera back over here, like look at me, and he's 1229 01:06:29.800 --> 01:06:32.519 wearing that black leather jacket that really stood out to me. 1230 01:06:32.599 --> 01:06:34.760 It's very bana. But he's also in the blue. Like 1231 01:06:34.880 --> 01:06:39.840 Julia said, she's really pulling focus towards him, and she's 1232 01:06:39.880 --> 01:06:43.320 wearing like red. It's very geberratic, like Marshall, but she's 1233 01:06:43.400 --> 01:06:46.360 perceiving him. And as Julia said, it's not just him 1234 01:06:46.480 --> 01:06:48.800 that has the blue shirt, but it's also the background 1235 01:06:48.880 --> 01:06:51.320 of the talk show. And then when it zooms out 1236 01:06:52.159 --> 01:06:54.239 you can see it and it's like, so it's like 1237 01:06:54.679 --> 01:06:58.159 the whole idea is like you're standing at Gaba, you're 1238 01:06:58.199 --> 01:07:00.599 looking at you're in the fire, but then you're looking 1239 01:07:00.719 --> 01:07:03.079 at the ocean and you can see yourself and then 1240 01:07:03.159 --> 01:07:06.480 you're look you can you acknowledge what it is, but 1241 01:07:06.519 --> 01:07:09.639 it doesn't necessarily appear as you right, And that's sort 1242 01:07:09.679 --> 01:07:11.800 of the that's a very magic I'm sorry that was 1243 01:07:11.960 --> 01:07:14.440 very meta, but that is kind of what it's like. 1244 01:07:14.559 --> 01:07:18.039 It's like there's an interaction with perception that happens between 1245 01:07:18.079 --> 01:07:20.519 the ocean and the water and the fire. You could 1246 01:07:20.559 --> 01:07:23.440 say that. So that's kind of what they represent, and 1247 01:07:23.559 --> 01:07:26.400 but they reverse the poles. You see that usually you 1248 01:07:26.440 --> 01:07:30.559 would have a more masculine figure at Mars or goeverra 1249 01:07:30.760 --> 01:07:33.559 and a feminine figure has said, but not, you don't 1250 01:07:33.639 --> 01:07:34.440 have to, so. 1251 01:07:34.519 --> 01:07:36.519 You're playing they're playing gender games like the Day with 1252 01:07:36.599 --> 01:07:38.920 the Golden Child. Is that what you're telling me? 1253 01:07:40.239 --> 01:07:43.760 Well, it's interesting because it's like she's the one in perception. 1254 01:07:45.000 --> 01:07:47.639 He's just saying, you know, bring the camera towards me, 1255 01:07:47.800 --> 01:07:51.920 let me be amplify or magnetize this girl's story like 1256 01:07:52.039 --> 01:07:55.920 outward and but she's like, but what she's focused on 1257 01:07:56.119 --> 01:07:59.280 is him, So she's singular in her view, where he's 1258 01:07:59.440 --> 01:08:01.320 expanded sev very much. 1259 01:08:02.480 --> 01:08:04.360 If you want to think about it, JJ a really 1260 01:08:04.400 --> 01:08:06.920 good way to explain it. I think even with this, 1261 01:08:07.519 --> 01:08:10.039 if you want to make it cabalistically, which I think 1262 01:08:11.559 --> 01:08:13.280 Gin is doing a real good job, I would you know, 1263 01:08:13.440 --> 01:08:17.439 include the chess head again. Even a projecting or expansive 1264 01:08:17.960 --> 01:08:20.199 if you took a light bulb, the light that shining 1265 01:08:20.239 --> 01:08:23.039 out of it would be kind of like male energy, 1266 01:08:23.520 --> 01:08:25.520 and the light bulb itself will kind of be the 1267 01:08:25.600 --> 01:08:30.600 feminine energy and the male energy sound sight is coming 1268 01:08:30.640 --> 01:08:35.760 out of it. It's a good analogy, projective projective that 1269 01:08:35.960 --> 01:08:38.880 that would be like a so I I even think 1270 01:08:38.880 --> 01:08:41.800 when he was saying about him in a sense if 1271 01:08:41.840 --> 01:08:45.920 you think about it. She sees him then, and I 1272 01:08:46.000 --> 01:08:48.600 would say he is very much chested at that point, 1273 01:08:48.800 --> 01:08:53.960 very expansive, very powerful, loud being seen you know by 1274 01:08:54.000 --> 01:08:54.279 a lot. 1275 01:08:54.720 --> 01:08:55.399 It's on TV. 1276 01:08:56.720 --> 01:08:56.840 Uh. 1277 01:08:57.439 --> 01:09:01.119 She sees him, She sees him, and then basically she 1278 01:09:01.359 --> 01:09:05.800 takes him and brings him wherever he's got to go. 1279 01:09:06.000 --> 01:09:07.680 It's very magnetic. 1280 01:09:09.439 --> 01:09:13.880 Well, well, playing the side of the yeah, well she 1281 01:09:14.079 --> 01:09:18.000 chose him, She chose him. Yeah, and then she pulls 1282 01:09:18.119 --> 01:09:21.159 him very very magnetically like the left pillar. She now 1283 01:09:21.359 --> 01:09:23.079 fucking pulls him all the way to her side. 1284 01:09:24.000 --> 01:09:24.239 So what. 1285 01:09:25.760 --> 01:09:30.239 We're supposed to Julia ahead, I just want to say, 1286 01:09:30.439 --> 01:09:32.880 what next? Thing is really profound because that is even 1287 01:09:32.960 --> 01:09:36.119 the idea is that Takini will lead you through experiences 1288 01:09:36.479 --> 01:09:40.800 you as the witness or the perceiver, rather than it's 1289 01:09:40.840 --> 01:09:43.279 not just all your will. It's like there's part of 1290 01:09:43.359 --> 01:09:45.640 it that is a little bit other power is what 1291 01:09:45.760 --> 01:09:49.000 we would call it. So it's like generative outside of you. 1292 01:09:50.600 --> 01:09:52.960 Maybe it is you, but maybe it isn't. It's kind 1293 01:09:53.000 --> 01:09:55.600 of like an inter social moment. So I don't know. 1294 01:09:56.479 --> 01:09:58.399 This is how it happens. Right, she signs him up 1295 01:09:58.399 --> 01:10:00.520 for all these things, right, because she sees on the TV. 1296 01:10:00.760 --> 01:10:04.319 Right, Yeah, she has to select him as a partner 1297 01:10:04.680 --> 01:10:06.720 as the one right exactly. 1298 01:10:07.119 --> 01:10:11.239 And sorry I was interrupting. You go ahead. I just 1299 01:10:11.319 --> 01:10:12.399 want to don't want to forget. 1300 01:10:12.920 --> 01:10:14.840 No, no, no, please please, I'm done. 1301 01:10:15.079 --> 01:10:16.159 What I was saying before. 1302 01:10:16.319 --> 01:10:18.880 In the video, I do think that they both play 1303 01:10:19.359 --> 01:10:21.960 the princess and the and the prince the hod and 1304 01:10:22.039 --> 01:10:24.159 that suck, but they both are going to play the 1305 01:10:24.239 --> 01:10:26.000 king and the queen at one point. And I do 1306 01:10:26.119 --> 01:10:28.960 think at Chessa, when she's seeing him, she's seeing the 1307 01:10:29.119 --> 01:10:34.600 king in that that that hold is going to become 1308 01:10:35.119 --> 01:10:37.199 going up the tree. She already sees it in him, 1309 01:10:37.560 --> 01:10:39.880 so that's why she picks him. That sounds a little 1310 01:10:39.960 --> 01:10:42.279 a little much, but I do think that's the kind 1311 01:10:42.279 --> 01:10:43.840 of part of it that makes total sound. 1312 01:10:45.199 --> 01:10:47.680 His old nooms is he pronounced the stuff and Hebrew 1313 01:10:47.760 --> 01:10:48.720 stuff kabala wise. 1314 01:10:49.600 --> 01:10:52.399 I was wondering about that. But the whole reason why 1315 01:10:52.479 --> 01:10:53.560 he doesn't say the jay. 1316 01:10:54.239 --> 01:10:59.840 Well, there's no there's no ja in Hebrew, so you wouldn't. 1317 01:11:00.760 --> 01:11:03.199 That's that's even a thing in magic. 1318 01:11:03.039 --> 01:11:05.479 Like That's why it's mister pronouncing Yero, right, he's got 1319 01:11:05.960 --> 01:11:06.720 instead of Gerald. 1320 01:11:07.039 --> 01:11:09.640 Well, you could say it's like the electification of the 1321 01:11:09.760 --> 01:11:12.439 Jay almost like you could say it's like how they 1322 01:11:12.479 --> 01:11:17.239 say Ihovah instead of Jehovah, so that you can even 1323 01:11:17.279 --> 01:11:20.560 hear in that there's a distinction obviously, and like maybe 1324 01:11:20.680 --> 01:11:23.359 what God you're referring to, I'm not saying that. I'm 1325 01:11:23.399 --> 01:11:26.439 just saying that's how people think of it, or like 1326 01:11:27.560 --> 01:11:30.760 what like Covenant and hold, like that's obviously very mythric, 1327 01:11:30.920 --> 01:11:32.640 but I think, yeah, I think that's kind of in 1328 01:11:32.760 --> 01:11:37.039 line with the general magical sort of orders and how 1329 01:11:37.079 --> 01:11:38.039 they view the world. 1330 01:11:41.279 --> 01:11:45.119 We put out just really quick, they pointed out because 1331 01:11:45.359 --> 01:11:48.920 the two things. And this is why it's important because 1332 01:11:48.920 --> 01:11:55.479 when you when you watch this movie and I said, oh, Luke, 1333 01:11:55.560 --> 01:11:58.720 there he's wearing a blue shirt and he's got the 1334 01:11:58.800 --> 01:12:03.520 blue curtain behind him him and you know she's wearing 1335 01:12:03.600 --> 01:12:05.600 the red or whatever. And Jen did a great job 1336 01:12:05.680 --> 01:12:08.800 explaining that. But if you if you listen to like 1337 01:12:08.880 --> 01:12:12.560 the dialogue in these scenes, it's on purpose they because 1338 01:12:12.720 --> 01:12:15.399 the talk show hosts comments on what he's wearing and 1339 01:12:15.479 --> 01:12:18.199 he's like, oh, look at your outfit. I love your hats, 1340 01:12:18.279 --> 01:12:22.000 and it's like, okay, attention to what he's wearing. And 1341 01:12:22.159 --> 01:12:30.279 then in another scene, Chandler Jerrel calls Sarto out. Yeah, 1342 01:12:30.399 --> 01:12:33.640 He's like, why do you purpose mispronounce my name when 1343 01:12:33.680 --> 01:12:37.680 you know it's Jeral? And he said, I know. So 1344 01:12:37.840 --> 01:12:41.880 he's like acknowledging that I'm mispronouncing it on purpose. So 1345 01:12:42.000 --> 01:12:45.119 that's why I think, like, yeah, could we be looking 1346 01:12:45.199 --> 01:12:48.359 into it too far or whatever? Maybe, but I think 1347 01:12:48.439 --> 01:12:50.800 the reason they put those little lines in the movie 1348 01:12:50.920 --> 01:12:52.359 is because it is intentional. 1349 01:12:52.760 --> 01:12:53.239 It's like the. 1350 01:12:53.319 --> 01:12:57.800 Wardrobe choices, the way that he mispronounces the name, like 1351 01:12:57.960 --> 01:13:00.840 they even included it into the dialogue, is like, why 1352 01:13:00.880 --> 01:13:03.760 do you insist on mispronouncing my name? You know it's 1353 01:13:03.880 --> 01:13:06.520 Jerald And he's like, yeah, I know, I do. 1354 01:13:06.920 --> 01:13:08.920 Boys, Julia, that's a very solid point. They have some 1355 01:13:09.039 --> 01:13:12.560 great dialogue between old nupsy and uh channeler Gerald there, 1356 01:13:12.920 --> 01:13:15.199 mister Gerrol. That is you know, there are some back 1357 01:13:15.399 --> 01:13:17.960 you know some as far as the antagonist protagonist, they're 1358 01:13:17.960 --> 01:13:19.359 not really doing a lot of duke in and out, 1359 01:13:19.399 --> 01:13:21.079 but they are doing a lot. I mean, there's a 1360 01:13:21.079 --> 01:13:23.119 little bit of that, but they do a lot of 1361 01:13:23.159 --> 01:13:25.039 back and forth, just you know, gelling at each other. 1362 01:13:25.119 --> 01:13:26.840 So they got some classic dialogue. 1363 01:13:27.119 --> 01:13:30.319 Well, I do that sometimes, like feel I've I've discussed 1364 01:13:30.359 --> 01:13:33.039 it on lives before that it's a it's an old 1365 01:13:33.119 --> 01:13:37.399 discordinging like a chaos magician trick. You mispronounce things or 1366 01:13:37.479 --> 01:13:40.439 you create. Something I'm more fond of is you create 1367 01:13:40.520 --> 01:13:43.800 compound words that are totally brand new for your use. 1368 01:13:45.000 --> 01:13:47.439 So an example of that, Westoid is that what you 1369 01:13:47.479 --> 01:13:50.520 did to me with western up with that. That's something 1370 01:13:50.600 --> 01:13:53.119 from the Zoomer Twitter. I'm about ten years too old 1371 01:13:53.199 --> 01:13:59.239 to use technically, but I'll give you an example like clipolithic. 1372 01:14:00.159 --> 01:14:02.479 People think that I just mispronounced it, but it actually 1373 01:14:02.560 --> 01:14:05.359 makes sense because you're talking about like a stone aggregate. 1374 01:14:06.079 --> 01:14:08.920 So that's like a compound word that you can just make, 1375 01:14:09.039 --> 01:14:10.800 but it has to there has to be a logic, 1376 01:14:10.920 --> 01:14:13.479 And I go heerent. So you can do that instead 1377 01:14:13.520 --> 01:14:16.520 of saying like kleepa, which I don't have a prom saying. 1378 01:14:16.600 --> 01:14:19.079 But sometimes there's an idea that the things that you 1379 01:14:19.239 --> 01:14:23.680 say are the things you invoke, so depending on the 1380 01:14:23.760 --> 01:14:24.880 context you're using at. 1381 01:14:25.680 --> 01:14:29.560 So, well, that's interesting. I appreciate that. Jen is that 1382 01:14:29.640 --> 01:14:30.279 also kenu? 1383 01:14:30.640 --> 01:14:33.239 Is that kenu that is considered true keno? 1384 01:14:33.720 --> 01:14:35.800 I would assume it would be. I'm catching on. I'm 1385 01:14:35.840 --> 01:14:38.560 catching on. So we we were talking to Yellow Dragon 1386 01:14:38.600 --> 01:14:41.960 Stuff and the crossover with intersection with Satan Satanic Cold 1387 01:14:42.039 --> 01:14:45.760 Stuff in around Los Angeles. It's spoiler alert. We find 1388 01:14:45.800 --> 01:14:48.479 out Tommy Tong, who works you know, is running this 1389 01:14:48.520 --> 01:14:51.680 outlaw blacker gang who kidnapped this young girl that the 1390 01:14:51.800 --> 01:14:54.720 channel Chaneral Yarrel is looking for. Well, he works for 1391 01:14:54.880 --> 01:14:57.399 old Numcy. So we're about to find that out here 1392 01:14:57.520 --> 01:14:57.800 right now. 1393 01:15:01.399 --> 01:15:11.239 Oh Cheryl, Yeah, we sold her, I mean you sold 1394 01:15:11.279 --> 01:15:15.520 you sold a cool to Tommy tom He got that 1395 01:15:15.640 --> 01:15:21.079 restaurant down on Broadway and we traded her case of 1396 01:15:21.119 --> 01:15:23.960 cigarettes and a quarter of pork fried rice. 1397 01:15:24.399 --> 01:15:28.239 I would somebody want to buy somebody? He needed a 1398 01:15:28.319 --> 01:15:33.600 girl what worked the steel out with the devil said 1399 01:15:33.640 --> 01:15:34.960 he needed her blood. 1400 01:15:42.159 --> 01:15:45.239 So much to say, I have so much to say. 1401 01:15:46.079 --> 01:15:50.640 Please, I did forget that the parent clip which I'll play. 1402 01:15:50.680 --> 01:15:52.560 He wants me to discuss this one with the you know, 1403 01:15:52.640 --> 01:15:54.520 the parrot guy. That is how they got there. Was 1404 01:15:55.279 --> 01:15:58.760 Victor Wong, the revived parent from the Golden Child, is 1405 01:15:58.800 --> 01:15:59.640 the one who led them to that. 1406 01:15:59.760 --> 01:16:01.239 How yes, m hm. 1407 01:16:02.399 --> 01:16:05.720 So they do find Cheryl a little bit before this scene, 1408 01:16:05.760 --> 01:16:07.920 and that's where he finds the bucket of oatmeal with 1409 01:16:08.000 --> 01:16:12.720 the blood in it. Yeah, and so again I say 1410 01:16:12.800 --> 01:16:18.319 this because I think it's important they chose an actress 1411 01:16:18.399 --> 01:16:20.720 to play Cheryl, even though she's in it for five 1412 01:16:20.840 --> 01:16:23.880 seconds and she's just a dead body. It's a ginger girl, 1413 01:16:24.520 --> 01:16:28.359 and she's the innocent one. She's the sacrifice. But also 1414 01:16:28.520 --> 01:16:31.359 the devil is the ginger guy. And it's like the 1415 01:16:31.560 --> 01:16:36.159 masculine and the feminine, but they're both red haired ginger people, 1416 01:16:36.640 --> 01:16:39.760 and like one's the innocent one, one's the devil. He 1417 01:16:40.000 --> 01:16:43.560 kills her, sacrifices or uses her blood in this ritual 1418 01:16:43.720 --> 01:16:47.079 to kill this kid. And you know, it's like an 1419 01:16:47.199 --> 01:16:50.560 innocent ginger girl, and then the devil is a ginger guy. 1420 01:16:50.760 --> 01:16:55.840 I think they do that stuff on purpose. And the 1421 01:16:56.039 --> 01:16:57.960 only other thing I have to say about this scene 1422 01:16:58.079 --> 01:17:02.000 is that at the very beginning, when they break into 1423 01:17:02.079 --> 01:17:05.279 the house, they're playing a really specific song. I don't 1424 01:17:05.279 --> 01:17:10.039 know if you caught it. It's by Rat. You know 1425 01:17:10.159 --> 01:17:12.159 that body tar. 1426 01:17:12.520 --> 01:17:14.119 I did not catch it, but please tell us. 1427 01:17:14.880 --> 01:17:18.760 Okay, So the album that that song is on. It 1428 01:17:19.039 --> 01:17:23.439 was Rat's debut album, and it featured themes of witchcraft, 1429 01:17:23.640 --> 01:17:27.920 nuclear war, and global destruction, and that is the song 1430 01:17:28.039 --> 01:17:32.600 that's playing as that scene opens up. So, as I say, 1431 01:17:32.760 --> 01:17:35.479 if you look in the background, everything is on purpose, 1432 01:17:35.560 --> 01:17:37.760 even a dead girl that's laying in the movie for 1433 01:17:37.920 --> 01:17:40.439 five minutes that happens to be a ginger girl with 1434 01:17:40.600 --> 01:17:44.359 this yellow dragon tattoo. And then you know the devil's 1435 01:17:44.359 --> 01:17:47.279 a red haired guy. I think all the little tiny 1436 01:17:47.399 --> 01:17:49.960 details actually matter in the long run. 1437 01:17:52.920 --> 01:17:53.399 I agree. 1438 01:17:54.159 --> 01:17:56.319 I agree as well, Julia, and I will say that 1439 01:17:56.439 --> 01:18:01.560 sometimes in contra the deity and his car are depicted 1440 01:18:01.680 --> 01:18:04.000 as red hair, but if you kind of understand, you 1441 01:18:04.079 --> 01:18:06.239 realize it doesn't have to be red hair, because it 1442 01:18:06.279 --> 01:18:09.680 can just be the sort of appearance of red from 1443 01:18:09.840 --> 01:18:13.000 wisdom fire. So the wisdom fire would make the hair 1444 01:18:13.199 --> 01:18:15.600 peer red, so it could be blonde or even block. 1445 01:18:15.680 --> 01:18:18.279 And sometimes it is also depicted us up. But I 1446 01:18:18.359 --> 01:18:19.920 think that was also a really good point. 1447 01:18:22.239 --> 01:18:25.319 Somebody got the song right. Yeah, I couldn't remember the 1448 01:18:25.399 --> 01:18:29.000 title of it, but I remembered the U lyrics. But yes, 1449 01:18:29.199 --> 01:18:32.119 that's that's the song too, that's playing in the background. 1450 01:18:33.000 --> 01:18:35.960 And I only and what struck me the first time 1451 01:18:36.000 --> 01:18:39.000 I watched it, before I even decided I wanted to 1452 01:18:39.079 --> 01:18:41.600 cover it, on a conspiracy episode is I hate that 1453 01:18:41.800 --> 01:18:44.720 song and every time that scene plays, I'm like, somebody 1454 01:18:44.800 --> 01:18:49.079 shoot me in the face. I hate rat shit. 1455 01:18:50.720 --> 01:18:53.199 You're not my scene for sure. So before we get 1456 01:18:53.239 --> 01:18:55.239 into the oatmeal blood stuff tall or before we let's 1457 01:18:55.239 --> 01:18:57.399 talk about the oatmeal and the blood stuff. I got 1458 01:18:57.439 --> 01:18:59.279 a video clip to tie that into the Golden Child 1459 01:18:59.279 --> 01:19:01.439 here in a minute. It's what are your all thoughts? 1460 01:19:01.479 --> 01:19:03.600 What's all that about? What's feeding all this blood stuff? 1461 01:19:03.600 --> 01:19:04.319 About neotmeal? 1462 01:19:05.600 --> 01:19:08.199 Well, before we do a blood and oatmeal, which I 1463 01:19:08.520 --> 01:19:10.560 will obviously discuss a little, is that. 1464 01:19:10.760 --> 01:19:12.199 And you've got to watch out. Victor Wong has got 1465 01:19:12.239 --> 01:19:13.880 his wand out, buddy, What do you want to talk 1466 01:19:13.880 --> 01:19:15.760 about before blood oaemeal? What are we talking here? 1467 01:19:16.000 --> 01:19:17.279 Well, Victor Wong? Of course. 1468 01:19:17.600 --> 01:19:20.680 So the orange red, that's what I brought this picture of. 1469 01:19:21.760 --> 01:19:22.880 It's perfect, It's perfect. 1470 01:19:22.920 --> 01:19:25.399 JJ did the orange of the Rednick was talking about earlier? 1471 01:19:25.840 --> 01:19:28.720 Yes, So orange is a really important color in Buddhism. 1472 01:19:28.800 --> 01:19:31.039 You could almost say it's the most important color. If 1473 01:19:31.079 --> 01:19:32.800 you were to compare it to the tree, you would 1474 01:19:32.800 --> 01:19:36.399 definitely say that Buddhism really likes hod as a starting 1475 01:19:36.479 --> 01:19:42.239 position for anupasaka. Or someone who practices Buddhism. So I 1476 01:19:42.279 --> 01:19:44.680 set at the beginning that the monks depicted were of 1477 01:19:44.800 --> 01:19:49.319 the Gealaghpa, so the Gaellic school. He is actually a Nagapa, 1478 01:19:49.760 --> 01:19:53.399 so he is a sorcerer. He belongs to the ning Musk, 1479 01:19:53.920 --> 01:19:57.319 so the it's the old school or the ancient school. 1480 01:19:57.840 --> 01:20:00.760 So they're allowed sort of more. They give themselves a 1481 01:20:00.800 --> 01:20:04.560 little more conceptual leeway with ideas. And he can also 1482 01:20:04.600 --> 01:20:08.600 be a householder, so he's not restricted by monastic vows. 1483 01:20:08.720 --> 01:20:12.640 That's why later on spoiler alert, he gets called like 1484 01:20:12.760 --> 01:20:16.439 a paternal name. So, but that's even what his red 1485 01:20:16.520 --> 01:20:19.319 hat means. It's kind of like he wears the orange robe. 1486 01:20:19.640 --> 01:20:22.359 Sometimes he would be a black coat with an orange robe. 1487 01:20:22.399 --> 01:20:27.000 He would obviously be in turquoise jewelry Lapis Lazuli jewelry, 1488 01:20:27.319 --> 01:20:28.920 and then he would wear the red hat, and that 1489 01:20:28.960 --> 01:20:31.960 would indicate that he is also a Buddhist. He's not 1490 01:20:32.279 --> 01:20:35.960 just a sorcerer. So there's just an idea. 1491 01:20:35.680 --> 01:20:41.880 There, So sorry, let me flipped it on him. Where 1492 01:20:41.880 --> 01:20:43.800 the they're trying to feed the Golden hilt some of 1493 01:20:43.840 --> 01:20:47.399 this blood out meal here, it's got some of those 1494 01:20:47.399 --> 01:20:50.399 schedules we were talking about earlier Jen with the there's 1495 01:20:50.399 --> 01:20:51.760 probably a lot of stuff you're all going to see 1496 01:20:51.800 --> 01:20:53.840 that I don't don't. I don't have the foggiest idea 1497 01:20:53.840 --> 01:20:56.319 about so stand by police. 1498 01:21:54.239 --> 01:21:54.720 That's a. 1499 01:21:58.159 --> 01:22:18.079 I there's name, see you will eat. 1500 01:22:19.680 --> 01:22:23.600 So I think it's really interesting JJ that the sigil 1501 01:22:24.039 --> 01:22:26.840 in things like. I don't read to that, and I've 1502 01:22:26.880 --> 01:22:28.439 never I cannot, but. 1503 01:22:28.479 --> 01:22:30.119 I can, right well, I want second, J, hold on 1504 01:22:30.199 --> 01:22:34.399 one second, hold up one second. I always want to 1505 01:22:34.439 --> 01:22:45.880 see him do his telepathic powers here or I guess 1506 01:22:45.920 --> 01:22:51.399 technically she the Golden Child said fuck your meal? H 1507 01:22:53.359 --> 01:22:54.079 What were you saying there? 1508 01:22:54.159 --> 01:22:54.279 Jin? 1509 01:22:54.840 --> 01:22:58.600 I apologize, JJ, and I mean you're good for a second. Okay, 1510 01:22:58.760 --> 01:23:02.399 So I apologize to that, but I can't even remember. 1511 01:23:02.439 --> 01:23:04.279 But I'll just I'll start with the oatmeal in blood 1512 01:23:04.319 --> 01:23:06.840 because that's obviously, you know what people want to give 1513 01:23:06.880 --> 01:23:07.439 the people. 1514 01:23:07.239 --> 01:23:07.720 What they want. 1515 01:23:08.159 --> 01:23:10.479 So obviously that's a big part of the story here, right, 1516 01:23:10.600 --> 01:23:13.159 That's right. They got a weeken the Golden style to 1517 01:23:13.279 --> 01:23:13.560 kill it. 1518 01:23:14.399 --> 01:23:15.079 So it is. 1519 01:23:15.319 --> 01:23:17.920 It is a tontric idea, just like it is in Telima, 1520 01:23:18.439 --> 01:23:21.279 like cakes of Light that obviously comes from Tibetan Buddhism. 1521 01:23:21.359 --> 01:23:25.199 It's obviously like our trauma cakes. Interestingly that they use oatmeal, 1522 01:23:25.399 --> 01:23:27.560 that's obviously a nod to I don't know how they 1523 01:23:27.680 --> 01:23:29.920 make cakes of light in the in the Oto or 1524 01:23:29.960 --> 01:23:33.079 any of the other orders, but in Tibetan Buddhism, it's 1525 01:23:33.159 --> 01:23:37.319 made with barley powder. So it's barley powder starfire. So 1526 01:23:37.439 --> 01:23:39.880 it's not the blood of a virgin, just to be 1527 01:23:40.079 --> 01:23:43.439 very clear, and it's not even starfire as you would 1528 01:23:43.600 --> 01:23:47.119 understand it. It's made it's like a homeopathic like eight 1529 01:23:47.239 --> 01:23:52.439 times version, made into tiny little nectar pills. So and yes, 1530 01:23:52.560 --> 01:23:56.159 it can also be other substances. And so the transgressive 1531 01:23:56.199 --> 01:24:00.640 substances change the offering from like a peaceful offering into 1532 01:24:00.720 --> 01:24:03.920 a wrathful offering. But and to end Buddhism, nothing is 1533 01:24:04.039 --> 01:24:09.520 ever sacrifice except yourself, like not yourself, but kind of 1534 01:24:10.079 --> 01:24:12.479 like who you think you are. That's the only that's 1535 01:24:12.560 --> 01:24:18.239 just their symbolic offerings to represent sort of mental or uh, 1536 01:24:18.720 --> 01:24:22.159 sort of like obstacles of consciousness. So you offer those 1537 01:24:22.239 --> 01:24:25.520 obstacles of consciousness, but you put it in a in 1538 01:24:25.640 --> 01:24:29.159 a vessel. That is the transgressive or wrathful offering. But 1539 01:24:29.279 --> 01:24:31.960 the in and of itself is just a container it's 1540 01:24:32.039 --> 01:24:34.880 not like the real thing. You're just using that as 1541 01:24:34.960 --> 01:24:39.399 a vehicle to remove the obstacle. But the obstacle always 1542 01:24:39.640 --> 01:24:42.319 comes from yourself, it's not from external source. 1543 01:24:46.760 --> 01:24:50.439 Interesting, So what are your thoughts Nick on all this blood, oatmeal, 1544 01:24:51.279 --> 01:24:55.800 weakening of this child, the golden child, to immortal mortal situations? 1545 01:24:56.880 --> 01:25:00.680 Uh oh, look at a couple of different different ways here. 1546 01:25:00.920 --> 01:25:01.000 Uh. 1547 01:25:02.199 --> 01:25:05.039 Well, even when like Chin was going there with it too, 1548 01:25:05.159 --> 01:25:06.960 I guess, like you know, kick of Lights that does 1549 01:25:07.039 --> 01:25:09.279 have blood in it stuff, he was talking at his blood. 1550 01:25:09.000 --> 01:25:10.359 In it wheat. 1551 01:25:10.600 --> 01:25:14.840 I think it's just used in general or something like that. 1552 01:25:15.680 --> 01:25:20.479 Grain is used symbolically. I think a lot, you know, 1553 01:25:20.600 --> 01:25:22.720 just because it's cooked oatmeal, you know, think about it 1554 01:25:22.800 --> 01:25:24.600 in the real sense, you know, you see stuff like 1555 01:25:24.680 --> 01:25:25.079 that a lot. 1556 01:25:25.279 --> 01:25:25.439 Uh. 1557 01:25:26.640 --> 01:25:35.439 And then even with health uh huh heart healthy, probably blood. 1558 01:25:35.640 --> 01:25:38.439 I And another interesting thing with that too, even in 1559 01:25:39.720 --> 01:25:43.079 in Hebrew it matches golden and fool. 1560 01:25:44.159 --> 01:25:44.760 There was something else. 1561 01:25:44.760 --> 01:25:46.520 I was gonna bring it up before, but uh, I 1562 01:25:46.560 --> 01:25:48.640 didn't want to get too much on the numbers. So 1563 01:25:48.800 --> 01:25:51.039 like I even thought, like how that seemed interesting, how 1564 01:25:51.079 --> 01:25:53.439 that like even matches like Eddie Murphy's character. 1565 01:25:53.640 --> 01:25:55.399 But then also the kid itself. 1566 01:25:55.079 --> 01:25:59.880 Again, and and then even in crossing never again right. 1567 01:26:00.159 --> 01:26:03.000 And then even a blood and then in English matches 1568 01:26:03.439 --> 01:26:06.479 this might be a stretch, matches Luna, but that chick's 1569 01:26:06.600 --> 01:26:07.800 name also matches moon. 1570 01:26:12.279 --> 01:26:14.319 I am one of the reverse of the symbolism of 1571 01:26:14.319 --> 01:26:16.600 the sun too right at that right right, and. 1572 01:26:16.800 --> 01:26:19.600 It matches full all the way around, and matches full 1573 01:26:20.199 --> 01:26:23.439 uh in Hebrew and English and simple. 1574 01:26:24.960 --> 01:26:25.640 All the way around. 1575 01:26:26.760 --> 01:26:30.079 I read some theories about the Golden Child online, and 1576 01:26:30.319 --> 01:26:34.279 also every every time before I do an episode like this, 1577 01:26:34.439 --> 01:26:36.640 I like to check Reddit and see what people have 1578 01:26:36.760 --> 01:26:40.359 said about it, and they did. To Nick's point, they 1579 01:26:40.520 --> 01:26:44.039 always referenced that girl, I think her name is King 1580 01:26:44.399 --> 01:26:48.199 Key Nung or something like that. In the movie, they 1581 01:26:48.319 --> 01:26:52.319 reference her as as supposed to be a moon deity, 1582 01:26:52.880 --> 01:26:55.479 and I read that several times in a lot of 1583 01:26:55.520 --> 01:26:58.000 the Reddit chats, that she was supposed to be like 1584 01:26:58.079 --> 01:27:01.399 a moon deity. So I just wanted to throw that 1585 01:27:01.560 --> 01:27:01.880 in there. 1586 01:27:02.000 --> 01:27:02.640 That's not my. 1587 01:27:04.359 --> 01:27:08.119 Yeah, that was that wasn't my conclusions. But I did 1588 01:27:08.239 --> 01:27:10.600 see that several times on Reddit, people talking about this 1589 01:27:10.760 --> 01:27:12.720 movie and what it could mean and stuff like that. 1590 01:27:13.359 --> 01:27:14.520 That got brod a lot. 1591 01:27:15.600 --> 01:27:23.039 Yeah, I couldn't find anything on that specifically, But the 1592 01:27:23.119 --> 01:27:25.319 blood and the oatmeal, I think it could be another 1593 01:27:25.439 --> 01:27:29.479 thing obviously with Jin and Nick are saying, and just 1594 01:27:29.600 --> 01:27:34.520 the colors, the white and the red, I think could 1595 01:27:34.560 --> 01:27:37.840 be significant because out of all things to choose oatmeal, 1596 01:27:38.119 --> 01:27:40.520 I feel like that's a little specific because you could 1597 01:27:40.640 --> 01:27:42.680 put blood. I feel like if I was going to 1598 01:27:42.720 --> 01:27:45.720 try to feed somebody something with blood in it, more 1599 01:27:45.880 --> 01:27:49.479 creative about it, like vegetable soup, then you couldn't. 1600 01:27:49.800 --> 01:27:51.720 You gotta sneak it in there. You gotta find a 1601 01:27:51.920 --> 01:27:53.800 better source to transport that blood. 1602 01:27:53.800 --> 01:27:55.880 That's like, why why oatmeal? 1603 01:27:56.119 --> 01:27:59.920 You know, Yeah, it seems of importance, right the grain 1604 01:28:00.199 --> 01:28:01.880 the oats, there's something's important. 1605 01:28:03.039 --> 01:28:06.359 Yeah, And like when he first digs the spoon into 1606 01:28:06.520 --> 01:28:09.079 it and there's that scene where it's just oatmeal on 1607 01:28:09.159 --> 01:28:11.680 the top and then boom, blood comes squirting out of it, 1608 01:28:12.119 --> 01:28:14.920 and it's like very cinematic how they did, like the 1609 01:28:15.039 --> 01:28:18.600 white oatmeal with the red blood squirting out so and 1610 01:28:18.680 --> 01:28:21.000 then he even like takes a polaroid steincture of it. 1611 01:28:22.199 --> 01:28:26.079 So I think, you know, the colors could be significant 1612 01:28:26.159 --> 01:28:30.479 also if you want to get real surface level, like 1613 01:28:30.600 --> 01:28:33.159 with the red hair and the white skin, the oatmeal 1614 01:28:33.239 --> 01:28:37.000 and the blood. It's like, literally all the colors in 1615 01:28:37.079 --> 01:28:38.520 this movie mean something. 1616 01:28:39.920 --> 01:28:41.199 I mean, I like it. You got a lot of 1617 01:28:41.239 --> 01:28:43.079 that red stuff going on in just the movie poster 1618 01:28:43.199 --> 01:28:45.960 write the official imagery for the film, right, I mean 1619 01:28:46.680 --> 01:28:49.119 some deep reds going on, deep reds. 1620 01:28:49.720 --> 01:28:52.760 Well, I can offer a little something is that that 1621 01:28:52.920 --> 01:28:56.159 was great to do because the white, red, and blue 1622 01:28:56.279 --> 01:28:59.039 are the most significant colors. Like I said, orange is 1623 01:28:59.039 --> 01:29:01.920 a really important color. Yeah, green is a really important color, yes, 1624 01:29:02.479 --> 01:29:07.239 but the real primordial colors are white, red, and blue 1625 01:29:07.359 --> 01:29:10.560 in that order. So obviously the pepsi can has like 1626 01:29:10.720 --> 01:29:14.159 multiple layers of significance just through that. It's also you 1627 01:29:14.239 --> 01:29:18.319 could say, like a sort of an agent of synthesen 1628 01:29:18.520 --> 01:29:22.520 away because it's like bringing it's obviously a tin can 1629 01:29:22.760 --> 01:29:26.199 kind of thing or aluminum, so maybe even has mercurialness. 1630 01:29:26.319 --> 01:29:29.720 But then it's white, so it's kind of heeather. But 1631 01:29:30.800 --> 01:29:32.600 you need other things to get there. So you have 1632 01:29:32.760 --> 01:29:35.439 the hesset and the Gevra, the water and the fire 1633 01:29:35.520 --> 01:29:38.439 coming together, and then the little bow boy at Hoed, 1634 01:29:38.520 --> 01:29:42.039 that little golden prince, he's making it alive with his mind. 1635 01:29:42.439 --> 01:29:47.479 So yeah, there's something very magic about that, And I 1636 01:29:47.600 --> 01:29:50.039 think that the other I'd have forgot my other point, 1637 01:29:50.079 --> 01:29:52.159 but you know, that was a great point, Julia and 1638 01:29:52.479 --> 01:29:56.199 I agree. Also, you can you can make turma turma 1639 01:29:56.600 --> 01:29:59.640 like rathul offerings. You can make them very gory like 1640 01:29:59.760 --> 01:30:03.560 look because you you just like mold a cake basically 1641 01:30:03.800 --> 01:30:07.640 out of barley powder and like little substance pills, and 1642 01:30:07.800 --> 01:30:11.119 then you can make them like have eyeballs or tongues 1643 01:30:11.199 --> 01:30:13.840 or like any of the wrathful kind of offering. So, 1644 01:30:14.000 --> 01:30:17.000 like what Julie is saying, it's like a perfect simulcra 1645 01:30:17.640 --> 01:30:20.199 like a you know, it's not quite real, and it's 1646 01:30:20.199 --> 01:30:24.079 also cinematic, so it's like a crazy offering that spirting 1647 01:30:24.159 --> 01:30:26.920 blood that they're telling us is real, but we also 1648 01:30:27.039 --> 01:30:29.319 know as an audience is not really real. So it 1649 01:30:29.479 --> 01:30:31.600 is kind of like a perfect contraed offering in a 1650 01:30:31.640 --> 01:30:33.399 way because it's kind of like a lie of truth 1651 01:30:33.439 --> 01:30:34.119 at the same time. 1652 01:30:35.840 --> 01:30:38.720 Yeah, and I think the three colors I noticed the 1653 01:30:38.880 --> 01:30:42.840 most in this movie were red, white, and blue. And 1654 01:30:43.479 --> 01:30:50.279 the Golden Child wears a traditional like little Buddhist looking 1655 01:30:50.439 --> 01:30:54.079 robe throughout the entire movie, except for the very last 1656 01:30:54.199 --> 01:30:58.239 scene of the movie where they put a red, white 1657 01:30:58.279 --> 01:31:02.920 and blue shirt on him, and then Eddie Murphy gives 1658 01:31:03.039 --> 01:31:08.319 him a hat that's blue and white, and so yeah, 1659 01:31:08.439 --> 01:31:11.000 I think that they I mean, the whole movie, he's 1660 01:31:11.319 --> 01:31:15.680 like got the traditional you know, garb and then at 1661 01:31:15.760 --> 01:31:18.479 the very last scene of the movie, he's red, white 1662 01:31:18.520 --> 01:31:22.279 and blue stripe shirt with a blue and white hat, 1663 01:31:22.399 --> 01:31:27.039 and so yeah, I think that stands out, Like I 1664 01:31:27.119 --> 01:31:30.000 don't even know why they put that on him, honestly. 1665 01:31:29.640 --> 01:31:32.760 Because excellent point, though, excellent point. 1666 01:31:33.560 --> 01:31:42.039 Yeah, they're wearing blue again. Yeah, the red, white and 1667 01:31:42.119 --> 01:31:47.159 blue stripes in the blue and white hat, and yeah, 1668 01:31:47.199 --> 01:31:50.199 I think the colors definitely mean something I. 1669 01:31:50.199 --> 01:31:51.920 Don't want to miss. I don't want to miss gender 1670 01:31:52.000 --> 01:31:54.000 this individual, not even in a translate, but that is 1671 01:31:54.199 --> 01:31:57.439 just remind you that is a girl that's so crazy 1672 01:31:57.520 --> 01:32:01.159 to me, isn't it wild. I was shocked to learn that. 1673 01:32:02.159 --> 01:32:04.039 I mean, I guess they did that with the little 1674 01:32:04.079 --> 01:32:09.600 girl what's her face from fucking such stranger things. So 1675 01:32:09.720 --> 01:32:12.479 it's not the first time they shaved a girl's head, 1676 01:32:12.560 --> 01:32:15.000 and you know, but they let her still. 1677 01:32:14.760 --> 01:32:16.880 Be a girl in that, you know what I'm saying, 1678 01:32:17.960 --> 01:32:20.199 Like we're like Jen was and Nick were discussing earlier 1679 01:32:20.239 --> 01:32:22.279 when he's playing in the gender role games within this 1680 01:32:22.359 --> 01:32:25.479 occult you know, philosophies. You know, I kind of see 1681 01:32:25.520 --> 01:32:27.680 the same thing from you know, like a surface level, 1682 01:32:27.720 --> 01:32:30.079 like you were saying, Julia, When I look at Satanism, 1683 01:32:30.119 --> 01:32:31.720 I'm like, well, they like to play this gender game 1684 01:32:31.760 --> 01:32:34.159 a lot, and Satanism and old noopsy here. They call 1685 01:32:34.239 --> 01:32:36.840 him the devil, but he's he's an oopsy, but he's 1686 01:32:37.119 --> 01:32:39.000 kind of is the devil, right, I mean they don't 1687 01:32:39.279 --> 01:32:39.960 classify it. 1688 01:32:40.079 --> 01:32:40.159 But. 1689 01:32:41.720 --> 01:32:45.760 He's a demon for sure because he meditates and then 1690 01:32:45.840 --> 01:32:47.680 he speaks to the devil. 1691 01:32:51.119 --> 01:32:52.920 Not even the top devil. He's like a like a 1692 01:32:52.960 --> 01:32:53.840 lower tier devil. 1693 01:32:54.199 --> 01:32:58.439 Yeah, he's like a like a like a ha the devil. 1694 01:32:59.600 --> 01:33:04.199 Yeah, he's middle managment for Satan because he can't even 1695 01:33:04.279 --> 01:33:05.520 figure out what the fuck to do. 1696 01:33:05.720 --> 01:33:08.760 He's gotta go back and ask advice. Like I thought 1697 01:33:08.760 --> 01:33:10.680 you were supposed to be a demon with all your 1698 01:33:10.760 --> 01:33:13.079 demony knowledge and shit, and you got to go back 1699 01:33:13.159 --> 01:33:15.279 and refer back to the devil all the time, Like 1700 01:33:15.399 --> 01:33:16.119 you're retard. 1701 01:33:16.479 --> 01:33:18.720 Like what am I supposed to do? How do I 1702 01:33:18.920 --> 01:33:19.359 kill him? 1703 01:33:19.399 --> 01:33:21.479 I don't know, stab him in the fucking face. 1704 01:33:22.680 --> 01:33:24.479 No, that's a that's a great that's a great point 1705 01:33:24.479 --> 01:33:26.560 because if you're some sort of criminal mastermind and you work, 1706 01:33:26.640 --> 01:33:29.199 you know, this demon thing, you hire Tommy Tong, who 1707 01:33:29.239 --> 01:33:32.279 pays some chow Maine to these bikers to kidnap a girl, 1708 01:33:32.439 --> 01:33:34.960 what are what are these negotiations and logistics you're going through, 1709 01:33:34.960 --> 01:33:38.479 your buddy demon? You can do better. Look at hold on. 1710 01:33:38.560 --> 01:33:40.520 Let me let me just show you who Tommy Tong 1711 01:33:40.680 --> 01:33:43.000 is here, because he much like Victor Wong, and they 1712 01:33:43.039 --> 01:33:45.880 also start in Big Trouble Little China, the guy who 1713 01:33:45.920 --> 01:33:48.359 played Tommy Tong here, But Tommy Tong was a liability 1714 01:33:48.359 --> 01:34:15.920 and old Nimsey wasn't having it. Speaking role is more 1715 01:34:15.920 --> 01:34:17.640 of a dying role, but that was Tommy Tongue. 1716 01:34:18.279 --> 01:34:21.920 What is the rat significant for? Because they're listening your 1717 01:34:22.119 --> 01:34:25.520 rat song and then Noopsy just turned into a rat, So. 1718 01:34:25.640 --> 01:34:26.039 What is it? 1719 01:34:26.279 --> 01:34:28.199 Beat me to it? You beat me to it, Julia, 1720 01:34:29.319 --> 01:34:32.039 and I feel like Asian cultures have a different significance 1721 01:34:32.039 --> 01:34:34.039 of rats than we do here in America. But I'm 1722 01:34:34.039 --> 01:34:35.039 sure Jenny can add to that. 1723 01:34:35.680 --> 01:34:37.800 Well. If you wanted to give it a really Buddhist layer, 1724 01:34:37.880 --> 01:34:40.199 you could say the rat is the vehicle of the 1725 01:34:40.399 --> 01:34:44.039 Lord of hosts or the lord of aggregates. So it 1726 01:34:44.079 --> 01:34:50.000 could maybe give him like a materialistic Klepolithic, maybe even Satanic. 1727 01:34:50.119 --> 01:34:52.880 But of course you don't have to I'm just saying conceptually, 1728 01:34:52.920 --> 01:34:55.319 you don't have to take it like that, right, but 1729 01:34:55.560 --> 01:34:57.359 you could say that it gives it that element. But 1730 01:34:57.399 --> 01:35:01.720 there's also a really interesting element that's universe. All is 1731 01:35:01.760 --> 01:35:06.319 that in almost every culture that I've ever encountered talking 1732 01:35:06.359 --> 01:35:10.239 about magic, they will always discuss sorcerers being able to 1733 01:35:10.359 --> 01:35:16.079 transform into black animals, so like a rat, like a dog, 1734 01:35:16.760 --> 01:35:21.720 like a horse. All uh, it's cat is actually rare. 1735 01:35:22.359 --> 01:35:26.159 It's actually quite rare as an idea that only women. 1736 01:35:26.399 --> 01:35:29.520 It's more women can turn into cats, or they will 1737 01:35:29.560 --> 01:35:32.479 say cat spirits, especially in a Chinese contact. They'll say 1738 01:35:32.560 --> 01:35:35.840 cat spirits can live a very long time, and eventually, 1739 01:35:35.960 --> 01:35:38.279 if they can live long enough, they'll turn into women 1740 01:35:39.079 --> 01:35:41.600 that can like marry men and et cetera. 1741 01:35:42.760 --> 01:35:44.640 So it's a lot of thoughts that in my process 1742 01:35:45.239 --> 01:35:48.760 inspect But I mean, I like it. Just some wild 1743 01:35:48.800 --> 01:35:49.920 stuffy just threw out their bud. 1744 01:35:50.600 --> 01:35:52.600 I think that happened to me though. I think I 1745 01:35:52.800 --> 01:35:56.439 was born a cat and I slowly born into Yeah. 1746 01:35:56.479 --> 01:35:58.960 I mean I've always just identified as a cat. Like 1747 01:35:59.039 --> 01:36:02.399 I'm always like, go far yourself, you know. People come 1748 01:36:02.479 --> 01:36:05.399 around and I'm like and then I go hide somewhere. 1749 01:36:06.680 --> 01:36:11.720 I'm better as an online presence. Yeah, I'm just offline presence. 1750 01:36:11.840 --> 01:36:13.359 Don't come to my house though. 1751 01:36:14.359 --> 01:36:17.359 You want to do online vampiing like celest the Vampire we. 1752 01:36:17.399 --> 01:36:21.000 Just had on instead, I would totally do it as 1753 01:36:21.079 --> 01:36:26.640 much as I don't have to meet a motherfucker and like, yeah, 1754 01:36:27.279 --> 01:36:29.920 but oh so I was gonna say, I feel like 1755 01:36:30.000 --> 01:36:34.199 there are undertones of like the Christianity story inside this movie, 1756 01:36:34.319 --> 01:36:38.319 because the biker gang that sells the young girl for. 1757 01:36:40.800 --> 01:36:44.439 Pork fried rice or like whatever, that's like the Judas 1758 01:36:46.399 --> 01:36:48.920 couple of egg rolls, you know, and then you have 1759 01:36:50.279 --> 01:36:55.439 you know, Sarto's is trying to offer a deal to Jerald, 1760 01:36:55.600 --> 01:36:57.920 so it's like making a deal with the devil and. 1761 01:36:58.560 --> 01:37:01.079 They chosen and all this clip was deal with the devil. 1762 01:37:01.319 --> 01:37:02.000 That's yeah. 1763 01:37:02.199 --> 01:37:06.880 Yeah, So I do think there are like the like 1764 01:37:07.079 --> 01:37:11.000 Christian aspects of this, like someone betraying you and selling 1765 01:37:11.079 --> 01:37:13.399 you for pork fried rice and making a deal with 1766 01:37:13.520 --> 01:37:15.479 the devil, and you know, the whole kind. 1767 01:37:15.319 --> 01:37:17.560 Of making a joke of the Satanic panic at the time, right, 1768 01:37:17.960 --> 01:37:20.279 this is kind of the hotest Satanic panic, right, sure, 1769 01:37:20.800 --> 01:37:26.159 I would say, so, yeah, what's funny because I didn't 1770 01:37:26.199 --> 01:37:27.479 I don't I don't know what i'd put the clip. 1771 01:37:27.520 --> 01:37:30.079 I was just looking for it. But speaking of all 1772 01:37:30.079 --> 01:37:35.039 this satanic stuff, right, So in the satanic panic business, 1773 01:37:36.000 --> 01:37:38.560 So Eddie Murphy did a show I think it was 1774 01:37:38.560 --> 01:37:42.039 at coffee with cars Jerry Seinfeld, and he's talking about 1775 01:37:42.079 --> 01:37:44.199 how he met Sammy Davis Junior there around the same 1776 01:37:44.279 --> 01:37:47.119 time made this film sub mid eighties, So and Sammy 1777 01:37:47.199 --> 01:37:48.920 day old Sammy d was trying to get him to 1778 01:37:49.239 --> 01:37:51.720 join the Church of Satan, join the dark Side? Is 1779 01:37:52.119 --> 01:37:53.319 he as held that he was talking? 1780 01:37:53.399 --> 01:37:59.000 Well, hmmm, I think it's important to just note really 1781 01:37:59.039 --> 01:38:03.520 quick that we don't have a Satan figure per se. Well, 1782 01:38:03.600 --> 01:38:04.760 maybe that's not accurate. 1783 01:38:05.359 --> 01:38:08.239 Don't have equal Satan. I meant to tell you that 1784 01:38:08.760 --> 01:38:09.800 johnt equal Satan. 1785 01:38:09.960 --> 01:38:16.239 Okay, the dagger, yeah, Johnty dagger, Yes, the Satan dagger. Oh, 1786 01:38:16.319 --> 01:38:17.359 that's interesting, that's right. 1787 01:38:18.199 --> 01:38:21.640 Do you remember what they said about it when when 1788 01:38:22.720 --> 01:38:26.680 Noopsy meditates to speak with the devil and he says, 1789 01:38:26.840 --> 01:38:30.319 the jaunty dagger is not of this world and it 1790 01:38:30.439 --> 01:38:34.560 came from hell, so they could kill the Golden Child. 1791 01:38:34.720 --> 01:38:36.479 Like it's literally from hell. 1792 01:38:37.560 --> 01:38:41.720 And to make this hell, right, he had to eat 1793 01:38:41.800 --> 01:38:43.680 the bloody oatmeal and make this hell, which kind of 1794 01:38:43.720 --> 01:38:44.840 sounds like vampirism. 1795 01:38:45.920 --> 01:38:48.319 Well, he's bringing the carnival ground to the little boy. 1796 01:38:48.560 --> 01:38:49.880 The online's gone more of. 1797 01:38:50.000 --> 01:38:53.319 Heaven, you could say. And so there's something really interesting 1798 01:38:53.359 --> 01:38:55.439 even about the dagger since Nick brought it up, is 1799 01:38:55.479 --> 01:38:58.960 that that dagger is actually a magical implement, but it's 1800 01:38:59.039 --> 01:39:03.239 also a deity. That deity name is vajora Kumara. That's 1801 01:39:03.279 --> 01:39:06.680 an older version of text, but or older. 1802 01:39:06.680 --> 01:39:10.800 That's not a dagger, Jim. This is a dagger, Yes, 1803 01:39:11.000 --> 01:39:11.680 that dagger. 1804 01:39:12.760 --> 01:39:15.840 So it's a three pointed dagger, and it also is 1805 01:39:15.880 --> 01:39:18.680 called vajor Kumara, just like the Golden Boy. So the 1806 01:39:18.840 --> 01:39:22.159 dagger can also be a deity like it can also. 1807 01:39:22.920 --> 01:39:26.199 This is also the Golden Child, right, but then you be. 1808 01:39:26.479 --> 01:39:28.600 Then the whole point is like to proceed, like to 1809 01:39:28.720 --> 01:39:32.800 not have a distinction between like object and perceiver. So 1810 01:39:32.920 --> 01:39:35.560 you're kind of unified in the dagger and you can 1811 01:39:35.640 --> 01:39:38.000 even see there's like a figure eight sort of thing 1812 01:39:38.079 --> 01:39:41.880 that's a vajra. So like everyone always loves the vadra 1813 01:39:42.199 --> 01:39:44.399 whenever I bring it up, So that's a vadra in 1814 01:39:44.479 --> 01:39:47.000 the middle. But then it comes down to a single point. 1815 01:39:47.079 --> 01:39:49.159 So at the single point should be your like will, 1816 01:39:49.279 --> 01:39:52.920 but it's your will in complete emptiness. So it's what 1817 01:39:53.000 --> 01:39:54.920 I'm really trying to say, is it's just it's a 1818 01:39:55.079 --> 01:39:57.359 wand you could say, or a dagger. It can be 1819 01:39:57.439 --> 01:40:01.119 both things, really, but it it can also be you, 1820 01:40:01.720 --> 01:40:04.720 but it is not you, just like when you're holding it, playing. 1821 01:40:04.479 --> 01:40:07.239 With it, like it's a dagger that identifies as a. 1822 01:40:08.479 --> 01:40:11.359 Yes, like you could say, you could say the apotheosis 1823 01:40:11.439 --> 01:40:14.000 of a person is the golden child. I think that's 1824 01:40:14.039 --> 01:40:16.640 a very Christian cabalistic way to kind of look at it, 1825 01:40:16.760 --> 01:40:19.000 or even a theosophical way, Like I think that's what 1826 01:40:19.199 --> 01:40:20.880 Nick and I have both been like getting at is 1827 01:40:21.000 --> 01:40:23.319 that it's like someone rising through the tree. But it 1828 01:40:23.359 --> 01:40:25.520 could be like a real person, maybe a magician. 1829 01:40:27.079 --> 01:40:31.439 Okay, pretty well, dagger. 1830 01:40:31.279 --> 01:40:33.760 Even I don't want to try to get into it 1831 01:40:33.920 --> 01:40:37.239 too much. I explained it a couple of well, a 1832 01:40:37.319 --> 01:40:41.760 couple of years ago I had covered Michael Myers Halloween 1833 01:40:42.039 --> 01:40:44.479 in the Nightmare and Elm Street, how I both thought 1834 01:40:44.640 --> 01:40:48.039 they kind of both represented beasts in the both like 1835 01:40:48.239 --> 01:40:53.039 possibly like Janice. And again they both you know, Freddy 1836 01:40:53.079 --> 01:40:56.600 has the daggers kind of finger daggers, and the other 1837 01:40:56.680 --> 01:40:59.199 guy is known for a knife as well. And I 1838 01:40:59.319 --> 01:41:01.720 do see, you know, even when I was showing there's 1839 01:41:01.760 --> 01:41:04.640 something in I think line two, in line seventeen, I 1840 01:41:04.720 --> 01:41:09.039 think both associate with like Janus in a Crawley seven 1841 01:41:09.159 --> 01:41:12.239 seven seven, and somewhere like I think a knife for 1842 01:41:12.359 --> 01:41:16.880 like a crusser. Something along those lines comes up associated 1843 01:41:16.920 --> 01:41:18.680 with that. And that was like another thing I was 1844 01:41:18.720 --> 01:41:20.920 showing that I was trying to explain. And if you 1845 01:41:21.000 --> 01:41:22.439 think about it in a sense, if you look. 1846 01:41:22.319 --> 01:41:24.439 At the dagger now, it's already got the two face 1847 01:41:24.520 --> 01:41:25.439 got right at the bottom. 1848 01:41:26.800 --> 01:41:28.279 That's what I was just gonna say, right says that 1849 01:41:28.479 --> 01:41:30.479 Yanus the two faces you see, they're right. 1850 01:41:32.920 --> 01:41:37.119 So he technically he has five faces, but sometimes I 1851 01:41:37.279 --> 01:41:40.840 vers three or one with a face above it, so 1852 01:41:40.960 --> 01:41:43.199 it'll be like a little he'll kind of like a pot. 1853 01:41:43.279 --> 01:41:46.560 It'll like represent like his higher consciousness the face above it. 1854 01:41:47.199 --> 01:41:49.920 And interestingly, to go off, next comment is that when 1855 01:41:49.960 --> 01:41:52.760 you look at him in art, so just Buddhist art, 1856 01:41:52.840 --> 01:41:56.039 although sometimes they make daggers like this, he will be 1857 01:41:56.119 --> 01:42:00.239 depicted in full form and he'll have wings, so all 1858 01:42:00.800 --> 01:42:03.079 in it will look like very much like a cross 1859 01:42:03.199 --> 01:42:06.199 or a crucifix. Maybe maybe not as it looks like 1860 01:42:06.319 --> 01:42:09.199 it taw anyway, and that is kind of the idea. 1861 01:42:09.399 --> 01:42:13.199 And so like Julia was saying, like raising something from hell, 1862 01:42:13.640 --> 01:42:17.359 that he is the Adamantine's son, So that's another way 1863 01:42:17.359 --> 01:42:19.720 to understand it, Like he's forged in hell fire, but 1864 01:42:19.840 --> 01:42:22.199 he's a little more powerful than that. So you can 1865 01:42:22.279 --> 01:42:25.159 see there's like a redemptive you could call it like 1866 01:42:25.199 --> 01:42:27.800 a Buddhist arc or a theosophical arc, but I think 1867 01:42:27.840 --> 01:42:31.359 that also parallels like the guy has to draw his path, 1868 01:42:31.399 --> 01:42:33.600 the evil sorcerer has to draw his powers from like 1869 01:42:33.680 --> 01:42:37.159 a worldly spirit. A spirit that doesn't is not omnipotent, 1870 01:42:37.399 --> 01:42:41.600 is not omnipresent, just has a goal to become like 1871 01:42:42.359 --> 01:42:44.560 I don't know more of this earth or whatever. But 1872 01:42:44.720 --> 01:42:48.479 the Golden Child he sort of transcends all that. He's 1873 01:42:48.479 --> 01:42:51.199 sort of above it. He's not worldly. So that's kind 1874 01:42:51.239 --> 01:42:52.760 of what the dagger also represents. 1875 01:42:52.800 --> 01:42:55.600 You could say, real quick and the chosen one can 1876 01:42:55.640 --> 01:42:56.920 wield the dagger too, right. 1877 01:42:58.159 --> 01:43:02.600 I don't know, Yeah, you can't ms. 1878 01:43:01.640 --> 01:43:04.560 The whole measurement, right, Old Victor Wong's like, well we'll 1879 01:43:04.600 --> 01:43:07.079 find out if you can get that dagger, buddon. You're 1880 01:43:07.119 --> 01:43:08.199 up to the challenge. 1881 01:43:09.720 --> 01:43:10.359 Real quick too. 1882 01:43:10.640 --> 01:43:12.520 Even when I had covered the movie from hell, I 1883 01:43:12.560 --> 01:43:17.760 showed symbolism in that about Janice and that's you know 1884 01:43:17.800 --> 01:43:20.439 all about slice some motherfuckers up too with shit. 1885 01:43:22.079 --> 01:43:24.600 That's a good one to do a breakdown on because 1886 01:43:24.600 --> 01:43:27.840 there's a kind of stuff in there. One of my 1887 01:43:28.319 --> 01:43:33.000 favorite Johnny Depps actually I love that one. So what 1888 01:43:33.079 --> 01:43:36.239 do you guys think about him eating those little twigs 1889 01:43:36.720 --> 01:43:39.560 throughout the whole movie? Do you think that's significant in 1890 01:43:39.680 --> 01:43:39.960 a way. 1891 01:43:40.680 --> 01:43:42.560 Yes, one thing I was going to bring up to 1892 01:43:42.640 --> 01:43:45.560 with the whole blood stuff. It even goes back to uh, 1893 01:43:45.840 --> 01:43:48.279 some guy in Pedocles from like five hundred PC. He 1894 01:43:48.439 --> 01:43:50.960 was even stating that you if you want to do 1895 01:43:51.079 --> 01:43:54.039 magical stuff, you're gonna have to stop taking him blood. 1896 01:43:54.640 --> 01:43:56.399 You're gonna have to start like kind of eating like 1897 01:43:56.479 --> 01:44:00.800 a vegetarian, and blood blood would be like it would 1898 01:44:00.800 --> 01:44:01.600 just be a bad thing. 1899 01:44:01.680 --> 01:44:04.640 It would be make you dirty. I can't think of 1900 01:44:04.720 --> 01:44:07.199 the word right now that well. 1901 01:44:07.079 --> 01:44:09.840 That's what makes it, that's what that's what they here, right, 1902 01:44:09.880 --> 01:44:12.039 would make him dirty, he would be immortal, right he would, 1903 01:44:12.119 --> 01:44:12.920 he would be of the earth. 1904 01:44:13.119 --> 01:44:16.399 Yeah, and he he he goes on about eating like 1905 01:44:16.520 --> 01:44:18.520 you know, stuff like that. So it makes sense that 1906 01:44:18.600 --> 01:44:20.840 the kids like eating a plant. You know, it's it's nice. 1907 01:44:20.920 --> 01:44:23.720 He's eating a vegetarian die my opinion. 1908 01:44:24.000 --> 01:44:26.920 And the blood literally eating like one leaf a day 1909 01:44:27.720 --> 01:44:28.960 for several days. 1910 01:44:30.520 --> 01:44:32.119 And he could really do a lot of things to 1911 01:44:32.279 --> 01:44:35.000 solve that problem with his magical wizard abilities. Right, Yeah, 1912 01:44:35.279 --> 01:44:37.720 I saw him make a dancing PEPSI can come on, 1913 01:44:37.760 --> 01:44:39.119 get out of here. This guy can find some food. 1914 01:44:40.680 --> 01:44:42.279 About that too. With the eating. 1915 01:44:44.279 --> 01:44:47.960 If in my opinion, like your I would think that 1916 01:44:48.119 --> 01:44:51.760 maybe your senses this is hard to explain, but like 1917 01:44:51.800 --> 01:44:53.720 your body's gonna have to start paying it, Like if 1918 01:44:53.800 --> 01:44:55.720 to have a magical experience, you're gonna have to slip 1919 01:44:55.760 --> 01:44:57.840 out a little bit. And I guess, like what if, 1920 01:44:57.920 --> 01:44:59.640 like if you're thinking about if you're putting stuff back 1921 01:44:59.680 --> 01:45:02.039 into you a body, it's gonna have to pay attention. 1922 01:45:02.600 --> 01:45:04.960 Your stomach's gonna have to pay attention to the food. 1923 01:45:05.840 --> 01:45:07.399 This is really hard and deep what I'm trying to 1924 01:45:07.439 --> 01:45:10.000 explain here. But I do think like maybe they can't 1925 01:45:10.039 --> 01:45:13.720 make fast. Yeah, it's almost like you're there's nothing there 1926 01:45:13.800 --> 01:45:16.520 for your bidy to have to actually spend any energy. 1927 01:45:16.760 --> 01:45:20.319 Sure, so you can concentrate the energy on magical stuff. Yes, 1928 01:45:22.119 --> 01:45:22.680 it makes sense. 1929 01:45:23.560 --> 01:45:26.520 Yeah, that does make sense. I didn't I put in 1930 01:45:26.640 --> 01:45:28.720 my notes to ask you guys about it because I 1931 01:45:28.760 --> 01:45:32.199 couldn't figure out what it meant because I I forgot 1932 01:45:32.239 --> 01:45:35.560 about that little twig thing in his pocket and you 1933 01:45:35.760 --> 01:45:37.720 pull it out and you just eat a twig a day. 1934 01:45:37.800 --> 01:45:41.640 It was like a midleaf as a kid, right, I 1935 01:45:41.800 --> 01:45:42.800 was like, this is all. 1936 01:45:44.399 --> 01:45:44.800 Bear right. 1937 01:45:47.600 --> 01:45:48.479 They put in gum to. 1938 01:45:48.520 --> 01:45:55.000 Make it, you know, so we uh, we haven't. He 1939 01:45:55.079 --> 01:45:57.239 went on quite a journey to get that dagger. I'm 1940 01:45:57.279 --> 01:46:02.800 assuming there's some some elements of the journey that has 1941 01:46:02.840 --> 01:46:06.560 some deeper understandings. So Old uh Chandler gar Old there 1942 01:46:06.680 --> 01:46:10.159 goes to to bet. Well, technically it was again Mammoth Lakes, California. 1943 01:46:10.279 --> 01:46:11.760 But you know, they did a good job and make 1944 01:46:11.760 --> 01:46:14.079 it look like Tibet. But you got a clip for 1945 01:46:14.199 --> 01:46:16.079 us here in that in that journey on to get 1946 01:46:16.159 --> 01:46:45.760 this your dagger, my money. We have come to ask 1947 01:46:45.920 --> 01:46:47.760 for the sacred Cross dagger. 1948 01:46:47.520 --> 01:46:50.159 Over Jaunty for what reason? 1949 01:46:51.760 --> 01:46:59.399 For the Golden Child. So that's the second Christ, right 1950 01:46:59.479 --> 01:47:01.000 before a funny part. 1951 01:47:02.000 --> 01:47:03.359 No, I got I got that coming up. I want 1952 01:47:03.399 --> 01:47:05.600 I want to talk. I got that coming up, Julia, 1953 01:47:05.680 --> 01:47:08.960 don't worry about it. So that's the Segret Cross dagger 1954 01:47:08.960 --> 01:47:09.359 of Satan. 1955 01:47:09.479 --> 01:47:14.680 Huh, Well, he's only Satan when he's like all over 1956 01:47:14.760 --> 01:47:17.760 the place, when he's single pointed in his will. Then 1957 01:47:17.880 --> 01:47:21.680 he reaches apotheosis. He becomes like you could Okay, I'm 1958 01:47:21.680 --> 01:47:23.560 gonna use like a word. It's gonna get me in trouble, 1959 01:47:23.640 --> 01:47:25.840 but it I'm just gonna say. Anyway, can he becomes 1960 01:47:25.960 --> 01:47:28.399 Christ like if you want to say it like that, 1961 01:47:28.840 --> 01:47:29.640 you can say it like that. 1962 01:47:29.720 --> 01:47:32.800 It's okay, Sure, it's okay, Yeah, it's okay. So what 1963 01:47:32.880 --> 01:47:35.079 are we looking at here with this whole scene before 1964 01:47:35.119 --> 01:47:37.039 we get to that. I didn't leave out the funny part, Julia, 1965 01:47:37.079 --> 01:47:38.960 trust me, I got that here. What are we looking 1966 01:47:39.000 --> 01:47:40.960 at here with this whole scene? He's walking into spending 1967 01:47:41.039 --> 01:47:44.079 these uh these pillars and you know, talking to this 1968 01:47:44.159 --> 01:47:50.479 guy who's this wizard fellow slash bird. What are you 1969 01:47:50.479 --> 01:47:54.840 all thoughts on that? Say that again, the whole scene 1970 01:47:54.840 --> 01:47:56.840 he walks into here with his temple and he's got 1971 01:47:56.960 --> 01:47:59.319 to spend his pillars and he's talking to the wizard 1972 01:47:59.359 --> 01:48:04.079 bird fella, you know, egg shin, mm hmm. What's all 1973 01:48:04.159 --> 01:48:05.840 this about? And then why would this why would this 1974 01:48:05.920 --> 01:48:07.359 knife the house there? You know what I mean? Like, 1975 01:48:07.399 --> 01:48:08.760 why are these are the keepers of the knife? Is 1976 01:48:08.840 --> 01:48:11.159 that we're looking at here? These monks? 1977 01:48:13.359 --> 01:48:13.560 Yeah? 1978 01:48:14.159 --> 01:48:15.920 Uh, I don't know. I saw that part of like 1979 01:48:15.960 --> 01:48:16.760 the Hero's journey. 1980 01:48:17.199 --> 01:48:21.920 I put that it was the Hero's journey in my notes, 1981 01:48:22.319 --> 01:48:26.439 but I grouped this scene in with like him having 1982 01:48:26.479 --> 01:48:27.760 to carry the water and. 1983 01:48:27.880 --> 01:48:30.680 The Yeah, that's what I was getting at. Yep, that's 1984 01:48:30.800 --> 01:48:31.800 going across. 1985 01:48:31.640 --> 01:48:34.520 The bridge and doing all. So I mean I grouped 1986 01:48:34.600 --> 01:48:38.359 this scene in with the scene that follows as the 1987 01:48:38.520 --> 01:48:43.880 hero's journey part of the story, which the Hero's journey. 1988 01:48:43.920 --> 01:48:48.640 I mean, honestly, Christ falls into the hero's journey things, right, 1989 01:48:49.119 --> 01:48:51.840 So I don't think it's bad to say that. 1990 01:48:52.039 --> 01:48:55.119 I think it's like an Archetec say that, Julia, you 1991 01:48:55.159 --> 01:48:58.000 and Jen both can make Christ references here on Operation GCD. 1992 01:48:58.079 --> 01:48:59.920 It's it's not banned, it's not censored. 1993 01:49:00.680 --> 01:49:03.439 Well, say that dead? 1994 01:49:03.520 --> 01:49:07.760 I think, huh, I said, even Numcy won't mind he's dead. 1995 01:49:07.800 --> 01:49:10.479 I think, oh really, I always thought he was a 1996 01:49:10.520 --> 01:49:12.439 good looking guy. I didn't know he was dead. 1997 01:49:12.920 --> 01:49:14.880 Well, the actor, I think is alive. He played a 1998 01:49:15.239 --> 01:49:18.000 villain last section hero as well. But yeah, here in 1999 01:49:18.039 --> 01:49:21.520 the film does not need a good end. And again 2000 01:49:21.640 --> 01:49:24.239 when we're I know there's a lot of Easter mysticism stuff, 2001 01:49:24.239 --> 01:49:26.119 but I mean, it's hard to not see this through 2002 01:49:26.199 --> 01:49:29.920 a you know, very Christian Satanic lens of the Satanic 2003 01:49:30.000 --> 01:49:30.520 Panic era. 2004 01:49:31.359 --> 01:49:34.199 Well, I am a Christian, so I feel like that's 2005 01:49:34.239 --> 01:49:37.000 the only lens that I look through a lot of times. 2006 01:49:37.479 --> 01:49:40.359 But I mean, I always love to talk to people 2007 01:49:40.439 --> 01:49:42.560 like Jin and Nick because they get me to look 2008 01:49:42.640 --> 01:49:46.920 outside of my own perspective on things and to understand 2009 01:49:47.079 --> 01:49:50.319 like we can all be right at the same time. 2010 01:49:50.800 --> 01:49:52.600 But it's like I always say, it's like a five 2011 01:49:52.720 --> 01:49:58.199 layer burrito, and there's many layers to it. There's like 2012 01:49:58.560 --> 01:50:01.039 many things a is that does that? 2013 01:50:01.119 --> 01:50:03.840 Does that work out well in this In this perspectives, 2014 01:50:04.119 --> 01:50:07.359 you can map it all to the tree for formerly. 2015 01:50:08.600 --> 01:50:11.319 It doesn't really matter. You can honestly look at everything 2016 01:50:11.399 --> 01:50:14.000 like Kabala, like you like what Julia is said, you 2017 01:50:14.079 --> 01:50:16.239 can just understand that Kabbala is sickly and then there's 2018 01:50:16.319 --> 01:50:18.279 no problems. So you can kind of look at all 2019 01:50:18.319 --> 01:50:21.359 the systems and say like, Okay, this is what this prefers, 2020 01:50:21.399 --> 01:50:23.520 and this is how to get there. But you don't 2021 01:50:23.520 --> 01:50:25.279 have to agree. It's just just like you can look 2022 01:50:25.319 --> 01:50:27.199 at it and say, yeah, this is the relative truth, 2023 01:50:27.319 --> 01:50:30.479 so you're sure fine with that. So that's how I 2024 01:50:30.560 --> 01:50:32.920 feel about like most other religions, not all of them, 2025 01:50:32.960 --> 01:50:36.119 but like Christianity for sure, Like it's a Christian Kabala 2026 01:50:36.199 --> 01:50:38.479 makes perfect sense to me. There's it's no problem. 2027 01:50:39.960 --> 01:50:42.680 Joe's aside and dragon rapes aside. I think you know 2028 01:50:42.960 --> 01:50:45.399 what I was getting at with the Satan figure here, 2029 01:50:45.840 --> 01:50:48.960 nupsy here, you know, he he's They obviously have these 2030 01:50:48.960 --> 01:50:51.039 satanic cold elements, you know, tied in here, like like 2031 01:50:51.079 --> 01:50:54.239 we were talking about before with the Blacker gangs, the kidnappings, 2032 01:50:54.279 --> 01:50:58.000 the you know, these these common tropes and understandings of this, 2033 01:50:59.000 --> 01:51:02.399 these real world said euations that that transpired but are 2034 01:51:02.439 --> 01:51:05.000 depicted here in this film. But what I always like 2035 01:51:05.079 --> 01:51:07.159 to say also in those regards is like those people 2036 01:51:07.199 --> 01:51:09.119 that are doing these things, they don't believe in Satan 2037 01:51:09.279 --> 01:51:11.600 also was one thing I was. That's what I was, 2038 01:51:11.760 --> 01:51:13.319 That's what I was getting at. That's what I was. 2039 01:51:13.359 --> 01:51:13.520 Good. 2040 01:51:14.359 --> 01:51:19.640 So you really aren't. You really aren't an alien Christian or. 2041 01:51:19.640 --> 01:51:23.199 Whatever formally formally, what does that mean. 2042 01:51:23.079 --> 01:51:25.840 That Jesus was terrestrial or what that? 2043 01:51:27.199 --> 01:51:29.359 Yeah, well, you know, God loves on colop. That's a 2044 01:51:29.359 --> 01:51:31.600 different story altogether. It's near the Star series. 2045 01:51:33.760 --> 01:51:34.840 A serious guy. 2046 01:51:35.079 --> 01:51:37.399 Huh, yeah, very very much. 2047 01:51:37.439 --> 01:51:37.479 So. 2048 01:51:38.039 --> 01:51:40.680 Now that was the first twenty two years of my life. 2049 01:51:40.680 --> 01:51:44.520 I recently just surpassed the you know, I've now longer 2050 01:51:44.600 --> 01:51:46.199 been not a Mormon than I was a Mormon. 2051 01:51:46.319 --> 01:51:52.760 So, oh, Mormonism, huh, let's see christ. 2052 01:51:53.039 --> 01:51:55.560 Sorry, j You're a good dude. 2053 01:51:55.600 --> 01:51:56.000 That's good. 2054 01:51:56.279 --> 01:51:58.359 I just want to say that Heidi already knows this, 2055 01:51:58.520 --> 01:52:01.600 but like I kind of I'm very fascinated by like 2056 01:52:01.720 --> 01:52:04.920 how Mormons think of like the tree and like what 2057 01:52:05.039 --> 01:52:07.199 they're doing. I'm not I don't want to be a Mormon. 2058 01:52:07.319 --> 01:52:09.159 I'm not a Mormon or anything like that. 2059 01:52:09.720 --> 01:52:12.119 Sign up right now, Jane, let's get let's make it happen. 2060 01:52:14.079 --> 01:52:16.199 I don't know enough. I don't know anything about it, 2061 01:52:16.279 --> 01:52:20.279 but I'm just I just like it for the Cabala. 2062 01:52:23.319 --> 01:52:23.840 The mothership. 2063 01:52:26.199 --> 01:52:27.680 All right, let's ship. 2064 01:52:29.000 --> 01:52:31.600 Let's last off. Let's let's check out that phony scene 2065 01:52:31.640 --> 01:52:34.239 here though from where he to do another scene. 2066 01:52:37.119 --> 01:52:52.880 There, said him, ask it, I see. 2067 01:52:54.760 --> 01:52:55.560 What the night. 2068 01:53:03.880 --> 01:53:21.720 Letty mask again, Kah, I want the knife. 2069 01:53:25.039 --> 01:53:25.439 Please. 2070 01:53:42.920 --> 01:53:45.439 Only a man whose heart is pure can wield a knife, 2071 01:53:45.760 --> 01:53:47.880 and if you're such a man, you will have it. 2072 01:53:52.800 --> 01:53:56.039 I love you did clips too, by the way, because 2073 01:53:56.079 --> 01:53:58.800 that's what makes the movie breakdowns the best. 2074 01:53:59.399 --> 01:54:02.239 I agree, I totally agree. Apparently YouTube does not agree, though, 2075 01:54:03.399 --> 01:54:05.680 YouTube is not liking the the use of the clips. 2076 01:54:05.960 --> 01:54:08.800 But I agree with you the clips. 2077 01:54:09.319 --> 01:54:11.760 I was hoping you would include the clip where he's 2078 01:54:11.840 --> 01:54:15.840 at that medicinal shop and looking at all the herbs 2079 01:54:15.920 --> 01:54:19.039 and he's like, oh yeah, that's good to keep the 2080 01:54:19.159 --> 01:54:22.600 yang up. And he's like, nothing wrong with my yang. 2081 01:54:24.319 --> 01:54:25.960 No I didn't. I didn't. I didn't get that one. 2082 01:54:25.960 --> 01:54:27.159 I know the one you're talking I know this team 2083 01:54:27.199 --> 01:54:31.079 you're talking about, though. No, it's a classic Gatees Murphy, right, 2084 01:54:31.199 --> 01:54:35.039 it's some classic Gateatees Murphy. But the this idea though, 2085 01:54:35.079 --> 01:54:38.800 of this machination of this kind of satanic elements cult 2086 01:54:38.840 --> 01:54:42.119 stuff in Los Angeles. With this Tibetan Buddhism stuff to 2087 01:54:42.239 --> 01:54:46.239 me just rings the rings back to my you know, uh, 2088 01:54:46.560 --> 01:54:48.319 digging through the thoughts of my brain. 2089 01:54:48.399 --> 01:54:48.560 Oile. 2090 01:54:48.600 --> 01:54:52.600 Here I recall at Sanders files, you know, the author 2091 01:54:52.720 --> 01:54:56.920 of the family there, the Manson Family, the actual good 2092 01:54:56.960 --> 01:54:59.880 book on the Manson family, contemporary to the actual crime 2093 01:55:00.039 --> 01:55:03.199 there's not the Bogleos nonsense. But Ed Sanders wrote his 2094 01:55:03.359 --> 01:55:05.359 you know, at the same time was writing writing his 2095 01:55:05.479 --> 01:55:07.760 book there in the early seventies, and I think it 2096 01:55:07.840 --> 01:55:12.279 was published in seventy four. But sanders investigation was yielding 2097 01:55:12.359 --> 01:55:16.439 some results that seemed to indicate there was a imagination 2098 01:55:16.600 --> 01:55:25.000 of Buddhist ideas, telemic ideas and theosophical ideas I believe, 2099 01:55:25.560 --> 01:55:28.199 into a into a cold faction that was also a 2100 01:55:28.319 --> 01:55:31.000 Cali worshiping cold faction out of Japan called the shing 2101 01:55:31.079 --> 01:55:33.880 Gong cult, not Chin Gon, but Shin gone with the s. 2102 01:55:35.359 --> 01:55:38.880 So this totally correlates to what I know of, like 2103 01:55:39.039 --> 01:55:42.359 certain we'll call them like I guess they would have 2104 01:55:42.399 --> 01:55:46.319 been like process offshoots or whatever, and so like Michelson's. 2105 01:55:45.720 --> 01:55:47.840 What this was supposedly right, The Foe Pie allegedly was 2106 01:55:48.159 --> 01:55:50.039 was this four gone cult. 2107 01:55:50.119 --> 01:55:54.560 That's right, So I mean, I you know, this is 2108 01:55:54.600 --> 01:55:57.960 the thing is that there was there were in Nepal 2109 01:55:58.399 --> 01:56:02.039 during this whole postwar period. There have been Collie kind 2110 01:56:02.079 --> 01:56:05.159 of cults that are like parts Tuima, just like you're saying, 2111 01:56:05.239 --> 01:56:09.279 they're like parts of Adriana. They're parts Hindu like Tontra, 2112 01:56:09.479 --> 01:56:13.279 they're parts like Satanism, their parts process like it's kind 2113 01:56:13.319 --> 01:56:16.199 of a weird blend, but it's like taking the most 2114 01:56:16.279 --> 01:56:19.880 transgressive elements of all of them. So pretty much that's 2115 01:56:19.960 --> 01:56:22.960 what I kind of understand of them is that they're 2116 01:56:23.079 --> 01:56:27.079 just like really so Collie in Tntra is related to Saturn, 2117 01:56:27.399 --> 01:56:30.960 so that would immediately place her in Bana. So if 2118 01:56:31.000 --> 01:56:33.159 you're looking at the tree as like a ten or 2119 01:56:33.199 --> 01:56:37.239 eleven spheared structure, she would never go at Keather. She 2120 01:56:37.279 --> 01:56:40.319 would always go at Bana, if you're really understanding what 2121 01:56:40.479 --> 01:56:43.359 she is. So they're looking at it as like this 2122 01:56:43.880 --> 01:56:46.800 this way to like it's kind of like the black 2123 01:56:46.840 --> 01:56:49.600 cube matrix, Like everybody loves that kind of like thing. 2124 01:56:49.960 --> 01:56:51.920 That's kind of what it is. But you're putting yourself 2125 01:56:52.000 --> 01:56:54.439 in the box like you're putting yourself in the cube 2126 01:56:54.760 --> 01:56:57.920 you're densifying the world around you. And so Nick brought 2127 01:56:58.000 --> 01:56:59.960 up at the very beginning, like we were talking about 2128 01:57:00.159 --> 01:57:02.359 Golden Child and like, I don't know, he said to 2129 01:57:02.479 --> 01:57:05.359 Jamatri or something, and he said it was related to Vishnu. 2130 01:57:05.720 --> 01:57:09.239 So Vishnu is related to Banah and related to Saturn 2131 01:57:09.399 --> 01:57:13.720 very closely. So there's this relationship that you can sort 2132 01:57:13.720 --> 01:57:17.600 of in Viishnavism, which is a kind of Hinduism, you 2133 01:57:17.800 --> 01:57:22.039 pray to Vishnu through Bakhdi. So it's like considered to 2134 01:57:22.119 --> 01:57:26.199 be like devotional love. You pray so hard that eventually 2135 01:57:26.319 --> 01:57:29.079 it will liberate you or eject you from the cube 2136 01:57:29.159 --> 01:57:31.680 or whatever it is, but it will take it supposedly 2137 01:57:31.720 --> 01:57:34.720 will take you millions of lifetimes. So in a more 2138 01:57:34.800 --> 01:57:38.159 tonic way, you would never get stuck here. But obviously 2139 01:57:38.319 --> 01:57:42.720 these people, you know, they're really fixated on Calli, So 2140 01:57:42.880 --> 01:57:46.239 that would be obviously a big problem from a Buddhist perspective, 2141 01:57:46.239 --> 01:57:48.600 because you wouldn't just fixate on a deity or their 2142 01:57:48.720 --> 01:57:51.600 name or you know, their ferocious presentation. Those are just 2143 01:57:51.720 --> 01:57:52.760 conceptual ideas. 2144 01:57:53.239 --> 01:57:55.159 You're saying. This is a unique, more of an extremist 2145 01:57:55.239 --> 01:57:57.119 view of these situations. 2146 01:57:56.680 --> 01:58:02.000 Right, Yeah, it's an annihilationist. Very dream is very very 2147 01:58:03.199 --> 01:58:06.119 if you will, non Keno because it's not about embracing 2148 01:58:06.279 --> 01:58:09.439 love or like the beauty of Maya, the beauty of 2149 01:58:09.520 --> 01:58:12.279 the garden, or like you know, connections with other people. 2150 01:58:12.560 --> 01:58:13.920 It's like kind of the tracking gin. 2151 01:58:13.960 --> 01:58:16.600 I'm catching on to this Kino business. I'll get there eventually, but. 2152 01:58:16.840 --> 01:58:20.640 You're you're so the Keno thing is to love the 2153 01:58:20.720 --> 01:58:23.520 world and like accept it for what it is. And 2154 01:58:23.600 --> 01:58:26.399 then their view is to like they're kind of calvinist 2155 01:58:26.479 --> 01:58:28.399 almost in their way. They're like, we're going to degrade 2156 01:58:28.439 --> 01:58:30.039 the world. We're going to do all the sin in 2157 01:58:30.119 --> 01:58:32.840 the world, and we're going to make it like from 2158 01:58:32.920 --> 01:58:35.239 the ashes. We're going to remake it. But you don't 2159 01:58:35.239 --> 01:58:37.680 really get to control the cosmic cycle. That's a more 2160 01:58:37.960 --> 01:58:40.920 Buddhist view. Obviously, they do believe that they can like 2161 01:58:41.119 --> 01:58:43.720 influence the cosmic cycle, but I I don't personally believe 2162 01:58:43.760 --> 01:58:44.039 they can. 2163 01:58:45.840 --> 01:58:46.119 JJ. 2164 01:58:46.359 --> 01:58:50.119 Have you heard of the Thuggy cult that was doing 2165 01:58:50.159 --> 01:58:52.039 all the Cali worshiping stuff. 2166 01:58:52.920 --> 01:58:56.760 I think you told me about that somebody I thought 2167 01:58:56.800 --> 01:58:57.119 I did. 2168 01:58:57.720 --> 01:59:00.640 Yeah, I just covered them. I'm doing a new series 2169 01:59:01.000 --> 01:59:06.359 on different cults. It's called Into the CULTI Verse and 2170 01:59:06.880 --> 01:59:10.600 I covered the Thuggie cult and they were like Cali 2171 01:59:10.720 --> 01:59:13.479 worshipers whatever, whatever. But if you really look into it, 2172 01:59:14.119 --> 01:59:16.600 because like I always say, there's like a five l 2173 01:59:16.600 --> 01:59:22.000 a burrito, the Thuds getting real hungry, dude, I love 2174 01:59:22.119 --> 01:59:27.039 Taco bell ship. If you look go all the way 2175 01:59:27.119 --> 01:59:30.239 back into history with the Thuggie cults, they could have 2176 01:59:30.560 --> 01:59:36.600 possibly been assassins under the employee of the Brahmin family. 2177 01:59:37.399 --> 01:59:39.560 And I know we just spoke to about the Brahmin 2178 01:59:39.640 --> 01:59:43.800 family in connection with Tuesday Weld and the Boston Brahmins, 2179 01:59:44.079 --> 01:59:44.880 and so like. 2180 01:59:45.239 --> 01:59:48.880 Yeah, there's we're talking Indian Brahmins because that's Kamala Harris's 2181 01:59:48.880 --> 01:59:49.479 people right now. 2182 01:59:49.640 --> 01:59:53.239 Yeah, that's the that's the same Brahmins that I'm talking about. 2183 01:59:53.479 --> 01:59:56.840 So yeah, there's a level of like Cali worshiping or whatever. 2184 01:59:56.960 --> 02:00:00.159 But if you really look under the surface, the it's 2185 02:00:00.159 --> 02:00:03.640 all tied up in these weird royal bloodline families and stuff. 2186 02:00:03.760 --> 02:00:08.319 So it's like you said about the Manson thing, it's 2187 02:00:08.479 --> 02:00:11.760 more than just like the Buglios. Oh they hated cops 2188 02:00:11.880 --> 02:00:14.000 or whatever the fuck he was trying. Its starting a 2189 02:00:14.119 --> 02:00:17.479 race war. It's like, no, let's let's really look at 2190 02:00:17.520 --> 02:00:20.159 this peel the layers back and look at. 2191 02:00:20.960 --> 02:00:24.239 I think was they were too much Petchuli oil. 2192 02:00:28.640 --> 02:00:30.840 Oh my, guess it went mad. 2193 02:00:30.720 --> 02:00:33.760 From the Petulia oil. They had Madelio oil disease. 2194 02:00:34.319 --> 02:00:35.600 They had Peculi oil. 2195 02:00:35.880 --> 02:00:42.800 Bo stink, I like Peli, So I'll send up for it. 2196 02:00:43.399 --> 02:00:48.800 Oh no, it's all okay. I actually like Betty verbetto, 2197 02:00:48.960 --> 02:00:54.680 so I'll but no, you I mean, you're totally right, 2198 02:00:54.760 --> 02:00:57.079 both of you, guys, Like you know, there is there's 2199 02:00:57.239 --> 02:01:00.000 like deeper connections, Like Vagiana has a lot of connections 2200 02:01:00.199 --> 02:01:03.119 to some of these obviously nexium and other things. And 2201 02:01:03.239 --> 02:01:06.840 it's kind of like the old ideas that we lived 2202 02:01:06.840 --> 02:01:09.239 in the Caliyuga. Like bringing up this idea of Collie. 2203 02:01:09.279 --> 02:01:11.640 It's not directly one to one related to the goddess, 2204 02:01:11.720 --> 02:01:15.439 but you can use it as an archetypal metaphor. So 2205 02:01:15.720 --> 02:01:19.600 she's like very destructive. She's destroying the old system kind of, 2206 02:01:20.159 --> 02:01:22.920 but it's also bringing things in. So her power is 2207 02:01:23.000 --> 02:01:27.399 really magnetization, but it's the destruction through time. So you 2208 02:01:27.479 --> 02:01:30.600 can think of it like traveling through space. You're degrading, 2209 02:01:30.680 --> 02:01:33.119 you're getting older, exactly that same thing, and then you're 2210 02:01:33.159 --> 02:01:36.279 gonna go to the carnal ground and become a skeleton 2211 02:01:36.399 --> 02:01:39.479 and you know, like take on a new rebirth eventually. 2212 02:01:39.920 --> 02:01:42.079 So that's what she's doing. It's kind of like bringing 2213 02:01:42.119 --> 02:01:44.399 you through the cosmic cycle. So that Julia was talking 2214 02:01:44.399 --> 02:01:48.159 about these like Brahmin families, a lot of the Brahmin casts, 2215 02:01:48.279 --> 02:01:51.159 so it's like a birth cast that you're born into. 2216 02:01:51.960 --> 02:01:55.880 They do believe in this Vishnu figure, so they will 2217 02:01:56.000 --> 02:01:58.199 outwardly pray to the vish New figure, but there is 2218 02:01:58.319 --> 02:02:02.399 also a secret true that that you will do a 2219 02:02:02.560 --> 02:02:07.439 Shokta Tontra or Goddess Tontra secretly at night, even though 2220 02:02:07.560 --> 02:02:12.279 you pray to this like very orthodox heroic kind of 2221 02:02:12.439 --> 02:02:15.600 like good guy. You know, he's the hero of the 2222 02:02:15.840 --> 02:02:18.960 Bogo Gita. He's like, you know, he's the king of heaven. 2223 02:02:19.439 --> 02:02:23.760 But at night you're doing something more transgressive, more contric 2224 02:02:23.960 --> 02:02:27.159 more secret mystery called stuff. So yeah, I think there's 2225 02:02:27.199 --> 02:02:29.600 a really interesting idea with that what Julia was saying. 2226 02:02:29.840 --> 02:02:31.680 It's like kind of always like the ad, there's an 2227 02:02:31.760 --> 02:02:33.800 inverse and then there's like it depends on how you 2228 02:02:33.880 --> 02:02:36.439 look at it, like from what perspective, you mean, you. 2229 02:02:36.479 --> 02:02:37.199 Got to look at it. 2230 02:02:38.920 --> 02:02:40.439 Mm hmm both ways. 2231 02:02:41.800 --> 02:02:45.439 Yeah, look at it. No, I think it's a it's 2232 02:02:45.439 --> 02:02:47.079 an interesting when I was just looking. We're still up 2233 02:02:47.119 --> 02:02:57.439 on YouTube there, Nick, did they kick us off? Just 2234 02:02:57.479 --> 02:02:57.880 in case? 2235 02:02:58.079 --> 02:03:00.439 I'll probably pull it down after this the left of 2236 02:03:00.479 --> 02:03:00.920 the live. 2237 02:03:00.880 --> 02:03:05.600 Though, because of the clips those bitches little one. 2238 02:03:06.680 --> 02:03:09.039 No I said I won't. I was going to if 2239 02:03:09.039 --> 02:03:11.439 we weren't. But yeah, I'm looking on both of our channels. 2240 02:03:11.439 --> 02:03:16.279 We're still up yea programming there here. But let's uh, 2241 02:03:16.520 --> 02:03:18.239 it's a good it's a good point to wrap this up. 2242 02:03:18.359 --> 02:03:23.319 So what may I thank you all for your time 2243 02:03:23.399 --> 02:03:26.439 this evening. First and foremost, I appreciate y'all joining me 2244 02:03:26.479 --> 02:03:29.239 to do a and the cold and and or esoteric 2245 02:03:29.319 --> 02:03:33.600 review of The Golden Child. Obviously I kind of gave 2246 02:03:33.640 --> 02:03:36.840 the spoiler alert earlier Old Nipsy Dies courtesy of that 2247 02:03:36.960 --> 02:03:41.479 dagger and uh, and any any closing contents I can 2248 02:03:41.520 --> 02:03:43.920 pass off to y'all. Starting starry with you there, Julia, 2249 02:03:44.359 --> 02:03:47.560 I appreciate your time, ma'am, great conversation, Thank you. 2250 02:03:47.960 --> 02:03:51.439 Yeah, I just have a few closing ideas for the movie, 2251 02:03:52.159 --> 02:03:53.880 and thanks for Yeah. 2252 02:03:53.960 --> 02:03:56.920 Don't feel rushed. Don't feel rushed at all. But absolutely. 2253 02:03:57.720 --> 02:04:02.800 Oh yeah, I was just gonna say I noticed that 2254 02:04:03.279 --> 02:04:07.159 the movie begins with him resurrecting a bird, and then 2255 02:04:07.199 --> 02:04:10.079 the movie or the movie begins with a resurrection, and 2256 02:04:10.159 --> 02:04:13.600 it ends with a resurrection because he brings back the 2257 02:04:13.720 --> 02:04:16.359 Moon deity if you will, or the moon goddess. He 2258 02:04:16.520 --> 02:04:22.560 brings her back, so it starts and ends with a resurrection. Also, 2259 02:04:22.920 --> 02:04:24.560 at the end of. 2260 02:04:24.600 --> 02:04:26.199 The Moon he is. 2261 02:04:28.119 --> 02:04:33.399 Bringing monarch butterflies back to life, So I don't know 2262 02:04:33.439 --> 02:04:36.159 if anybody else caught that, but of course, you know 2263 02:04:36.319 --> 02:04:40.159 the whole monarch thing, so I thought that was pretty significant. 2264 02:04:41.000 --> 02:04:44.720 And then the house where they're keeping the Golden Child 2265 02:04:45.439 --> 02:04:49.000 has black and white tile floors, So those were some 2266 02:04:49.159 --> 02:04:52.119 of the main things at the end of the movie 2267 02:04:52.239 --> 02:04:55.720 that I thought would be cool to mention for this breakdown. 2268 02:04:56.319 --> 02:04:59.760 But yeah, like I said, I've been looking for somebody 2269 02:05:00.159 --> 02:05:01.960 to want to talk about this for a couple of 2270 02:05:02.079 --> 02:05:05.840 years now, just because I feel like there's so many 2271 02:05:06.000 --> 02:05:09.680 litted bits in there that are cool and it's a 2272 02:05:09.840 --> 02:05:13.479 hilarious movie, and it's for me. I like to cover 2273 02:05:13.640 --> 02:05:17.159 nostalgic childhood movies that I loved, and this is one 2274 02:05:17.239 --> 02:05:19.119 of them for sure. I watched it all the time 2275 02:05:19.640 --> 02:05:22.079 when I was a kid. So thanks for having me. 2276 02:05:23.239 --> 02:05:26.680 Absolutely, thank you for joining us. I feel the same 2277 02:05:26.720 --> 02:05:29.560 way about the nostalgic movies of my childhood, you know, 2278 02:05:29.640 --> 02:05:31.199 and this is up there with Goonies. 2279 02:05:30.840 --> 02:05:34.199 For me, this one is I love Goonies. 2280 02:05:36.359 --> 02:05:36.880 For sure. 2281 02:05:38.239 --> 02:05:42.920 Now, thanks again, Nick. Do you have any closing statements 2282 02:05:43.079 --> 02:05:45.039 on the on your review of the film, or any 2283 02:05:45.760 --> 02:05:49.239 any thoughts or any plugs you'd like to to discuss your. 2284 02:05:50.119 --> 02:05:51.359 H No, I mean I was. 2285 02:05:51.560 --> 02:05:53.079 I was excited we got to do it because I 2286 02:05:53.119 --> 02:05:55.399 definitely think it's a deeply occulted movie for sure. 2287 02:05:56.279 --> 02:05:59.319 Uh yeah, I thought this was great. It was great. 2288 02:05:59.520 --> 02:06:02.600 Everybody had great stuff to say. Uh yeah. 2289 02:06:03.079 --> 02:06:07.199 Uh. Besides that, for me, the one thing that I 2290 02:06:07.319 --> 02:06:08.960 just do want to push is in which I think 2291 02:06:09.159 --> 02:06:11.439 we're all probably saying it anyway, I do think there's 2292 02:06:11.439 --> 02:06:14.399 a cabalistic tale, and you know, there's cabalistic symbolism in 2293 02:06:14.439 --> 02:06:17.600 this movie for sure, and I think you can if 2294 02:06:17.600 --> 02:06:19.680 you pay attention and look at it with the colors 2295 02:06:19.720 --> 02:06:22.720 and certain symbols and the male and female characters, I 2296 02:06:22.760 --> 02:06:23.319 think you'll see it. 2297 02:06:25.520 --> 02:06:25.760 That's it. 2298 02:06:27.159 --> 02:06:31.039 Nice anything coming up on the occult rejects. 2299 02:06:31.119 --> 02:06:31.840 Oh yeah, again. 2300 02:06:32.680 --> 02:06:34.279 Let's see, I can tell you a few things that 2301 02:06:34.319 --> 02:06:36.159 are coming out. Oh yeah, we got the MoMA Mafia 2302 02:06:36.279 --> 02:06:39.680 coming out on audio Red Helfer this Friday. We got 2303 02:06:39.720 --> 02:06:43.439 to Marian Deities next week with Gray Pilled and the 2304 02:06:43.520 --> 02:06:46.279 Coral Castle with Library the Untold coming out soon. 2305 02:06:46.399 --> 02:06:50.039 So don't don't forget about Vampire Lady. Yes, yeah, that's 2306 02:06:50.079 --> 02:06:53.239 the vampire. Yes, she was a nice vampire. She didn't 2307 02:06:53.239 --> 02:06:53.960 try to eat anybody. 2308 02:06:54.079 --> 02:06:56.600 Yeah, that will drop on audio as well for people 2309 02:06:56.600 --> 02:06:59.279 who have not heard that yet, that's already been done 2310 02:06:59.319 --> 02:07:01.479 and I think it's still out on the live so 2311 02:07:01.920 --> 02:07:02.600 check it out now. 2312 02:07:03.479 --> 02:07:03.760 Nice. 2313 02:07:03.960 --> 02:07:04.960 Yeah, I'm leaving that up. 2314 02:07:08.720 --> 02:07:11.039 All right. Well for share your time, sir Jen for 2315 02:07:11.119 --> 02:07:13.880 sare your time, sir any closing thoughts on the the 2316 02:07:13.960 --> 02:07:17.159 nineteen eighty six cinematic masterpiece, The Golden Child. 2317 02:07:17.760 --> 02:07:22.199 So if you research Ken McLeod, he wrote a new book. 2318 02:07:22.319 --> 02:07:24.479 I mentioned it right at the beginning, Magic of Adriana. 2319 02:07:24.560 --> 02:07:26.840 He talks about all the stuff that Nick and I 2320 02:07:27.199 --> 02:07:30.119 just discussed, like a lot. He understands Kabala as well, 2321 02:07:30.279 --> 02:07:34.439 like or he just he's able to like the system 2322 02:07:34.520 --> 02:07:37.000 doesn't matter. He just kind of gets he's had the 2323 02:07:37.119 --> 02:07:40.199 experience or it doesn't really matter. He's just describing something 2324 02:07:40.239 --> 02:07:42.880 so every he can. I'm not recommending him necessarily, but 2325 02:07:42.960 --> 02:07:45.640 if you look into his background, he actually has a 2326 02:07:45.680 --> 02:07:49.039 really interesting teacher. I'm sure JJ would find it really fascinating, 2327 02:07:49.640 --> 02:07:53.039 and who was sort of the object of his own 2328 02:07:53.680 --> 02:07:57.119 perhaps a scandal, will say, in the past. But I'm 2329 02:07:57.159 --> 02:07:59.760 not casting his versions on anyone. I'm just saying it 2330 02:07:59.920 --> 02:08:03.520 is kind of interesting. But he is a very interesting teacher, 2331 02:08:03.560 --> 02:08:05.800 and I think he has some profound things to say. 2332 02:08:05.840 --> 02:08:09.079 And I think he obviously consulted. I think he taught, 2333 02:08:09.239 --> 02:08:12.560 like showed them how to use the couplistic ideas, but 2334 02:08:12.760 --> 02:08:15.880 like make sure it was as much as it is syncretic. 2335 02:08:16.000 --> 02:08:18.199 I think it keeps too like it's a Vazra film. 2336 02:08:18.479 --> 02:08:21.319 You could say it like really has that aesthetic, but 2337 02:08:21.399 --> 02:08:23.760 it also keeps true to a lot of the ideas. 2338 02:08:24.319 --> 02:08:26.199 So I want to just say thank you so much 2339 02:08:26.319 --> 02:08:29.720 to JJ, thank you so much to Nick always bringing 2340 02:08:29.760 --> 02:08:32.560 me on. Nick really appreciate it, and of course Julia. 2341 02:08:32.720 --> 02:08:35.279 I've we've worked together. I think this is our fourth time, 2342 02:08:35.359 --> 02:08:38.359 but we've never we spoke a little of this celest 2343 02:08:38.439 --> 02:08:41.960 So I will end on this I told you waning, 2344 02:08:42.319 --> 02:08:44.880 So waning is more my thinking. Whereas like you're trying 2345 02:08:44.880 --> 02:08:48.560 to like cast the sort of like the bad luck 2346 02:08:48.600 --> 02:08:49.359 into the past. 2347 02:08:49.680 --> 02:08:51.159 That's why the barber tips. 2348 02:08:51.840 --> 02:08:55.239 Yeah, these tips. I love these tips. 2349 02:08:55.720 --> 02:08:58.079 So if it's waning moon, you cut your hair and 2350 02:08:58.199 --> 02:09:00.600 then you burn, like as I said, can burn it. 2351 02:09:00.880 --> 02:09:03.880 So that's like casting the old you into the past. 2352 02:09:04.840 --> 02:09:07.520 Or if you want, like to feel more beautiful, that's 2353 02:09:07.560 --> 02:09:10.039 a good maybe word to use. You could do it 2354 02:09:10.159 --> 02:09:12.039 on a waxing moon because I would like sort of 2355 02:09:12.279 --> 02:09:15.680 empower you. So it's like either idea. I'm more of 2356 02:09:15.720 --> 02:09:17.920 a waning person just because I always think like that, 2357 02:09:18.119 --> 02:09:20.760 but maybe it was good. It's good to consider balance. 2358 02:09:21.439 --> 02:09:24.199 Well, I will say this, and I'm so glad you 2359 02:09:24.279 --> 02:09:28.319 brought it up again. God bless you because my appointments 2360 02:09:28.359 --> 02:09:30.920 tomorrow and it is a waning moon. 2361 02:09:32.720 --> 02:09:33.760 I uh. 2362 02:09:35.159 --> 02:09:37.560 Over the last year. I've been through a lot, divorced 2363 02:09:37.600 --> 02:09:41.079 and all kinds of stuff, and so like my ex 2364 02:09:41.199 --> 02:09:44.520 husband touched this hair and I want it off my head. 2365 02:09:44.640 --> 02:09:47.359 I want to cut. I want it gone off of me. 2366 02:09:47.560 --> 02:09:52.199 I want a new fresh start. So I think the weave. No, 2367 02:09:52.640 --> 02:09:56.039 I'm just thinking it's all at least half of it's 2368 02:09:56.079 --> 02:09:58.039 got to go. It's got to go. 2369 02:09:58.920 --> 02:10:03.079 So I there Julia, pretty frightened, looking like very intimidating. 2370 02:10:03.640 --> 02:10:05.840 No one want to with you. She's got mohawk. 2371 02:10:06.680 --> 02:10:09.239 I could be a ginger mohawk kind of gal. 2372 02:10:09.359 --> 02:10:09.680 I might. 2373 02:10:09.880 --> 02:10:10.600 I might do that. 2374 02:10:10.880 --> 02:10:13.840 I don't know, we'll see, but I'm going to go 2375 02:10:13.880 --> 02:10:16.640 with the waning moon on this one, Jin, because I 2376 02:10:16.760 --> 02:10:19.239 need a new me, a new year. 2377 02:10:19.479 --> 02:10:19.920 Knew me. 2378 02:10:23.039 --> 02:10:26.079 Well, I'm glad that I could rectify that, because I did. 2379 02:10:26.159 --> 02:10:28.600 I felt bad leaving you on the waiting thing knowing 2380 02:10:28.720 --> 02:10:30.479 that there was two, but I didn't really think of 2381 02:10:30.560 --> 02:10:33.479 it at first, so I'm glad I could correct it. 2382 02:10:33.600 --> 02:10:35.439 So thank you for giving me that, And of course, 2383 02:10:35.520 --> 02:10:38.439 thank you to JJ for inviting me to do these 2384 02:10:38.680 --> 02:10:42.439 uh ocall film reviews. Everybody knows it's my favorite. I 2385 02:10:42.560 --> 02:10:46.319 love the Agitator podcast as well with j David Osborne, 2386 02:10:46.399 --> 02:10:48.560 and he's going to come on my show and you 2387 02:10:48.640 --> 02:10:52.600 know they talk about Japanese movies. Obviously, doing cinema reviews 2388 02:10:52.720 --> 02:10:55.039 is kind of my secret dream as a podcaster, but 2389 02:10:55.600 --> 02:11:00.319 I'm more of an occultist really, so very keen stick, 2390 02:11:01.960 --> 02:11:02.840 thank you so much. 2391 02:11:05.000 --> 02:11:06.960 Now I appreciate you all. It's one of my favorite films. 2392 02:11:06.960 --> 02:11:09.359 I'm glad we got a chance to discuss it. Definitely 2393 02:11:09.359 --> 02:11:11.439 a big fan of the Golden Child, and thanks to 2394 02:11:11.439 --> 02:11:14.079 all folks of the interwebs for joining us again. J. J. 2395 02:11:14.319 --> 02:11:17.680 Vance not the vice president host of Operations g c D, 2396 02:11:18.279 --> 02:11:21.399 also co host of Fridays There with Nick from the 2397 02:11:21.880 --> 02:11:24.640 The Cult Rejects Operations g c D mash up there. 2398 02:11:25.199 --> 02:11:28.359 So thanks again everyone having good even. 2399 02:12:00.279 --> 02:12:01.720 The compt. 2400 02:12:03.920 --> 02:12:05.119 Tlpical spot 2401 02:12:11.159 --> 02:12:11.199 That