Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, Welcome back to another episode of the Poker
Go Podcast. My name is Donnie Peters. His name is
Tim Duckworth. Big, big, Big PLO episode. That's pretty much
all we're going to be talking about today on the show.
We got PGT PLO series coming up. We got Super
High rollerble PLO, we got the PLO roundup down in Texas.
I mean, it's just plo plo plo. It's everywhere. It
really is beautiful. Some would say the great game. Shout
out to Joey Ingram, who I think you saw yesterday.
What was that for?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 1: Just the Joey Ingram sign.
Speaker 2: I don't know if Joey listens, and if he does,
he's probably gonna yell on me.
Speaker 1: But well, he puts you on his Instagram story and
called you the commission.
Speaker 2: So but he always, like I see him at these
CPT events. I walk past him like five times and
he says like the same thing every time, like, haw's
a going commission. I'm like, it's going, Like.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's like when I say to you, like, what's.
Speaker 2: Up, like five times in like ninety minutes.
Speaker 1: Though, Yeah, you know he's just checking in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fine. Maybe I'm just a bit withered when
it comes to the CPT events. I don't know, you
know what can I look, I'm one more event. Okay,
these CPT events that have been sponsored by Jing, which
is a really like fancy sushi place in Vegas. I've
heard it's excellent. What I've tried for free isn't by you.
I don't know, No, I thought it was on the strip,
no idea. It's sensational. Yesterday, you know, my wife goes,
do you want to think? What do you want for?
Do you want anything for dinner? And I go, no,
I'm going to the studio. They have Jing tonight. I
was looking forward to a little bit of sushi. I
get there. No, Jing, They're just like ruined my evel.
Speaker 1: In Downtown Summerline.
Speaker 2: Okay, ruin my evening.
Speaker 1: That's how you say, by you, budd, I mean you
can just you know, you can take the white.
Speaker 2: I kind of forging. That's where That's what I'm kind of.
That's what I'm going to pull up the menu.
Speaker 1: I am right now. I mean there's no prices, so.
Speaker 2: Well, that shows how expensive it is. When there's no prices,
that means expensive.
Speaker 1: I don't think it I probably don't think it's that bad.
I mean, it's probably pricier than like, you know, the
places where we go to two ship. It's not gonna
it's not going to break the bank. I mean, I
think it's all right.
Speaker 2: Might not break yells, but it might break mine.
Speaker 1: Definitely gonna break mine. This episode of the Poker Girl
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Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: P l O baby, I mean the PGT might as
well the PLO GT. I mean it's NonStop.
Speaker 2: We have the next one six.
Speaker 1: Weeks, seven weeks something like that.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: So first off we have the PGT PLO series, then
we have Super high Rollable PLO. Then we have the
Texas PLO roundup. Those are for the series. Sprinkled in
there are two events on the NAPT Las Vegas schedule
that are no holding that do count for the PGT,
but the for the foreseeable future, it is all pot
limit Omaha dominating the month of October for sure. On
the PGT. First up, we have this PGT PLO Series
two presented by PLO Mastermind. And the reason that it's
PLO Series two is because we already had one earlier
in the year. This time around nine tournaments, all of
them are PGT qualifying. I personally feel like it's a
much better schedule flow this time around, where we have
the PLO Series first and then that leads into the
super high Rollable PLO. For you, sir, how do you
feel about the schedule that you've put together? Is it
different than last time? Has anything changed? Like, look, run
me through it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've definitely made some changes. The biggest one we
did was we removed the cap on the re entries
excluding the main event. So in series past, the bounties
unlimited entries, the other events all had two re entries,
so you could be in for three bullets total. This
year it's gone. These guys are coming into Vegas from
Finland and Europe and Brazil, wherever they're coming from. They
want to gamble, they want to play, so we remove
the cap off the re entries. I don't think it's
going to affect anything too much. You know, if you're
in for three, you want to gamble that last one.
Now you can. You know, we see a very heavy
you're in for all of them, or you're in for
just one kind of way at the studio. So that's
probably the biggest change religive to the whole schedule. But
I do, like you mentioned, I like this flow a
little better. You know, we have three to five k's
to open. We bring in the tens, then the fifteen
and the main event, and we conclude with a five
K boundary. I love it. I love the schedule. It's
you know, one event shorter than last time. It's all
plo high. We've done some you know, we've experimented in
the past. We've had we've had a high low. Last
year we did the concluding event. Sorry not last year
in March. We closed with a five thousand buy in
Dealer's Choice, so that included double board and included high
Low included High. Wasn't that good, didn't get a great turnout,
So we said, you know what, We're just we're sticking
to a nose. We know what works PLO high only
that's what this series is. Come gamble, come dejenet up,
Come make some prop bets and win a lot of money.
Speaker 1: This is the only series that I would ever suggest
this for, so I'm going to suggest it. Okay, you
should get a special trophy made for the player that
fires the most entries.
Speaker 2: We could just send it to Finland because every time.
Speaker 1: I mean, but it would just be funny for you
to like walk out, like during the last day and
like present this to the person who had the most.
Speaker 2: It should be like a wheelbarrow of cash, like a
like a little bronze wheelbarrow or something.
Speaker 1: No, it should be maybe like like I mean, well,
it's hard to tell because you don't necessarily know how
they're doing. They might fire fifty bullets and actually win money.
If not, you could just have like a pile of
money that's lit on fire. That would be cool. Or
you could just have a pile of money and then
like you could light it out, you know, they let
like maybe a Jing the restaurant that you love so much.
Maybe they bring out like some sort of flaming dish,
you know, like you can have this flaming pile of
money you can walk out with it. I'm not sure
if that would be some sort of fire hazard a studio,
but I think we can. They bring out cakes that
are lit by the candles and stuff come.
Speaker 2: On sandal soared paper on fire.
Speaker 1: It's not paper, It's like you would have it be metal,
but you would put like, you know, gasoline on it
or something and just light that part of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that would be fun. All I can
think of is the the Batman picture of the joke
heat Leisure's joker standing in front of that cash that
he lit on fire. Maybe we can turn that into
some painted artwork or something. But the one last thing before,
you know, I just want to add to this for
the first time. You know, we're not We're putting Aria
is putting a five seat guarantee. I'm both the satellites
running on October twelfth and thirteenth. It's a five hundred
sixty dollars buying. You can win entry into the one
of the first three events. Five seat guarantee. Make sure
you get down to Aria. They kick off a one
pm from the poker room. Yeah, big ups the Aria
for putting the five seat guarantee on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's very cool. To be honest, it might
entice me to come down there and fire one of
those satellites. I mean, I'm not really a PLO guy, but.
Speaker 2: You might think there's some overlay, some value there.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I just you know, it just kind
of it sets an expectation. There's a floor there, right,
so I know that, you know, even it's just just
you know, you don't you don't know when there's no guarantee.
With a guarantee, you know, you know it's going to
be that that that baseline of what you're getting at. So,
I don't know, we'll see how it goes. Maybe if
I kick this sore throat, I'll be down there putting
my five sixty in. What's your expectation for the turnout?
Have you been talking to these guys you mentioned, those
guys from Finland. I mean they always come over with
a group, they make a golf trip out of it,
the whole thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm always going to expect those ones
I know obviously two of them recently had kids, so
that throws a little wrinkle. I don't know why you
can't come for nine days, but whatever. PIOLO is a
hot one to predict because we every series we see
people we don't expect, you know, whether it's high role
of players that we've never seen in the studio. We
just see a bunch of randoms that come out from
nowhere and win the whole thing, like Daniel Jing did
in PGTPLO Series two of Lost You. So I'm always
bullish on PLO. It seems to be the game that's
kind of really taking off of us as you know,
mixed games or anything else. Honestly, you just want everyone
to come down and we can hit some you know,
can we break one of the records we've set in
previous PGTPLO Series two.
Speaker 1: Questions One is on like, you know, who do you
expect to be there? Somebody that I see on the
PGT leaderboard, Ellie Nakash, Would you expect him to come
because he's the one who probably not on our radar
before the World Series of Poker. Yeah, and he goes
to the World Series of Poker as so many players
do like you just have a breakout time in poker
at the World Series because it's so big, everyone's kind
of shot taking there, all that sort of stuff. He
won the ten k POO for over one point three
million dollars. He cashed in the twenty five k PLO,
so he's sitting currently in twenty fourth on the PGT leaderboard.
And yes, that is within the top forty. So yes,
it does currently qualify him for the million dollar free roll.
Speaker 2: No it doesn't, okay, but.
Speaker 1: He needs to finish in the top forty and get
his third cash. You'll let me finish their buddy.
Speaker 2: Sorry, my bad?
Speaker 1: Yeah cash? Does you need three? So is he someone
who like is this on his radar? He comes out
like he's from France, it says, so you know, it
could be a long trip. Who knows.
Speaker 2: That's the problem. We obviously have WSP Europe going right now.
I don't have a contact for him, so he's not
in the email list or anything, so it's hard for
me to make him aware unless he's not aware himself.
And obviously, if he's in Europe, he's probably playing the
PLO events at King's Casino with some of the other.
Speaker 1: Have you put this, uh this beef to bed with
Sean Deep because he's in Europe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not coming.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you could tell him to tell Ellie he
could be your guy. Are you guys still beefing?
Speaker 2: He's still dead to He's still dead to me. You know,
he's he's gotten fat again. So I don't really worry
about him. But I am confident that if Ellie is
playing PLO events at King's Casino or playing cash games,
I would bet that you know Yam, Peter Yutman, Richard Greicho,
Yoni Elias, all these guys are there playing and it
would come up, where are you going next? Oh, I'm
going to Vegas for the PLO series. PLO series? What's that?
And then it kind of goes that way. So I
would hope to see him there in that same boat
that you've mentioned. Another guy just outside the top forty
and needing two cashes, Joshua Adkins. He is aware because
I spoke to him at Aria when he played one
of the Aria high Rollers during the summer. I said, hey,
you know, congrats one, I think you finished second. Congrats
on second. I actually covered your best bet when on
the WPT a few years ago. But hey, by the
way you were, I think he was like twentieth at
the time. You're twentieth on the leader board, have a
big PLO series coming up, blah blah blah, and I
kind of filled him in on all the details of that,
so I hope we see him there. Same with another
PLO winner. I think he won the twenty five K
David Eldridge sitting forty fifth on the lead of board.
He's obviously played in nas studio before for other No
Limit Hold the events as well, so you know it's
promoting this series is tough and we kind of do
our best to get it out there. But yeah, for
some of these non for the people not aware of
the studio or have never played in there, it is
it is a little tougher to make sure they're aware
of the series.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Atkins did finish second that ten kpolo behind Nikash
and Eldridge did win the twenty five kp O high Roller.
He'd bet Brian rast In heads up play more than
two point two million dollars for David Eldridge there. My
other question to you is do you think it would
have been better to do the Texas PLO Roundup first,
then do Plo series, then do Super High Roll. Well,
the thinking is that you get some like lower buy
in players who might you know, play into the thirty
three hundred dollars main event that we'll talk about as
part of that roundup series, hit a big score and
they'd be like, Okay, I'm going to Vegas type of thing,
you know, shout out Mike mcdee from Rounders.
Speaker 2: That was actually the original plan. The original plan was
to have it. Well what happened, well, we had worked
with our partner and they didn't feel like they had
enough time to promote it and hit the guarantee. Plus
they already had a fall series scheduled, so it's a
little bit of a conflict. You know. If we could
have started planning this at the start of the year,
it definitely would have fallen before we could have synced
up everything, promotion of the series on their streams, et cetera,
maybe work on some satellite packages to get people coming
to Vegas. But yeah, it was the original plan didn't
work out, but it's something we definitely want to kind
of really look to do next year is make sure this,
you know, the Texas Roundup if it happens again falls
before the PLO series.
Speaker 1: So you mentioned how these these turnouts are always really good,
and they are for the PLO stuff. The first ever
PGTPLO series holds the record for largest owned and our
rated PGT event had two hundred entries in that opening
five K event. The twenty five K finale that's always
part of these series always draws very well eighty three,
seventy five and seventy two entries for the three that
have been held so far, so pretty safe to say
it'll be right around the same this time around. You
have great points opportunities for Stephen Chidwick, Sammy Sippola, Ronald Kaiser,
Alex Foxen, Tyler Brown, Bryce Jockey, samso Overall and Sean Troja.
And the reason why I mentioned that group of players
is because they are outside of the top forty currently
but within the top seventy five, so within striking distance
of getting into the top forty. Siple, I believe is
one of the two that just had a baby, so questionable.
I guess if he's going to come out. And then Chidwick,
I mean he missed Poker Masters. I think he's you know,
currently moving, so you know who knows if he's going
to come, so we'll see, but I would expect all
the other guys to be there for sure. They usually are,
so yeah, and then it's also a great spot for
the leader on the PGT leader board, Jeremy Osmas. You know,
he's obviously extremely well versed when it comes to pot
limit omaha, and he's going to have a bunch of
events here that he's going to be playing. He's also
playing the Super High Rollable PLO for sure. He has
action listed on poker Stick. I don't know if it's
still available, might have sold out recently, but Daniel Legron,
you did a ad action. He added two bullets, Josh,
so did josh Ari. So that's that's very cool. If
you guys want to sweat that, you can head over
to poker stick dot com and just navigate to that
event and pick up some action there. But yeah, Jeremy
Osmas currently leads the PGT leader ward two thousand, three
hundred and sixty nine points twenty one cash is just
under five point four million dollars in winnings, but no
wins yet. I'm going to say he gets his first
win in the PLO series. That's what I'm going to say.
I mean, he's due for hey, he's in enough, second, third,
fourth place finishes like you know he's gonna get one.
Speaker 2: Of course he's due. But i mean, come on, let's
precedence being set doesn't know how to close.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's funny. This is kind of like that
stretch of time that at Negron you went through for
so long, where you know, Doug Polk's out there making
videos and saying like he's losing all this money. He's
losing all this money. Where's the Jeremy Osmas losing all
this money video? Wow? Because Jeremie Alisma's is crushing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's crushing.
Speaker 1: Maybe he likes Jami Osmas more.
Speaker 2: It's probably that too.
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into the Super High Roller Bowl PLO. Is it still
the biggest buy and PLO event in the world. It's
not tied Tide, but it's that still means it's number one,
t Dash one, okay, Tide, Sure, I mean it's side.
Speaker 2: I mean I was. I'm just trying to look up
the rake of the of the WSP one because that
kind of matters.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think there's a Triton one.
Speaker 2: Is it China WSP Well, I.
Speaker 1: Think there's there might be one in Paradise, But then
I also think that there's there was a Triton one
that already happened. But then I think there's one coming
up at Paradises.
Speaker 2: And it's the same rakes the same So Tide, we'll
keep it with Tide.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, whatever quickly. The the PGT PLO series is
October fourteenth through twenty second through twenty second, and then
there's a day off which is actually going to be
a satellite day NK satellite for the one hundred thousand
dollars buying Super High Rollable PLO and then Super High
Rollable PEO three days October twenty fourth through twenty sixth
All three days are going to be streamed. Last year
had thirty eight entries. Jared Blessnick won it for just
under one point three million dollars. It was a pretty
wild ride if you took the If you took the
Blesnick show, you know, he's opening packs of cards, He's
just being full on Blessnick the whole time he was on.
He goes on to win the tournament.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: It was pretty incredible. Final table took I don't know,
felt like thirty hours, felt like day. Yeah forever. So
thirty eight entries last year more or less this year.
I mean, what's your expectation turnout wise? You have a
better finger on the pulse here than I do for
this sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Obviously we had some issues last year with the timing.
Like you mentioned earlier in the episode, it was before
the PLO series, so that actually hurts it. We had
several players say I'm not playing it. I'll play the
plot series, but you know, I'm not going to just
be minus one hundred thousand or two hundred thousand to
start the PLO series. So first of all, that change
should be positive. Second change we made was day two entry.
That should also now give up players options that are
traveling that maybe skip the PGTPLO series to come, you know,
on day two register with. I believe it is a
lot of big mines. That's all that matters. That should
help the problem is if you've only got one hundred
thousand dollars to play one PLO event for the year
and you have to choose between ours or the one
in Paradise, if you're going to Paradise, I feel like
people are going to lean to WSP Paradise, So that
actually may hurt us a little bit, or that may
hurt the re entries. You know, someone's in for one bullet,
they're like, you know what, I'll save one hundred k
for Paradise. So I think that will hurt. But I'm
hoping we can beat the thirty eight entrance we had
last ye. Don't care about how many. I just hope
we beat it.
Speaker 1: I think we will beat it. I think we'll be
into the forties. I don't know about how much, but
I think we'll beat it. I'm not so sure that
how much it applies, you know, picking between this and
the Paradise one. I mean, I feel like if you
have the money, you have the money. I mean, if
you have the money for one, you have the money
for both. Is kind of my my opinion there, you know,
like who's who's kind of taking their shot, you know,
and yeah, if not.
Speaker 2: Well, I guess the downside is if you have a
bad PGTPLO series, maybe you skip this one and hold
it for the Bahamas where you maybe expect a few
more few more fish, few more whales compared to what
we have.
Speaker 1: So how many did the satellite get last year?
Speaker 2: We gave way two seats exactly, so twenty.
Speaker 1: I think the satellite will do better this year given
the timing. Hopefully went off that PLO series and they're
like okay, like I'll just you know, maybe I wasn't
going to play it, but it's only ten K to
play the satellite and then I'll go from there.
Speaker 2: Type of thing. We just need to run better in
these some of these satellites. Because last year Lou Gaza
and China Reim won a seat, China Reem was unlikely
to play, so that was good, but Lou Gaza was
slammed down playing every day of the week, so we
don't really want Lou winning the seat. We want, you know,
some guy taking a real shot to win the seat,
so that it just builds on that field, like any variants,
any satellite variants.
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, of course, I mean China reing Uh.
He ended up turning that satetleite and went into a
seventh place finish in the event Top seven cash again.
Blezsnik won it for just under one point three million.
He beat Isaac Hackson, Stephen Chidwick got third, Isaac Kempton
and feels like we haven't seen that guy much recently
for PLO, So is is he going to be back
out for PLO?
Speaker 2: That's his game, one hundred percent. He'll play every event
for Max Bullets.
Speaker 1: Aaron Katz, you know, don't often see Aaron Katz in
any form of tournament anywhere other than maybe like the
fifty k PPC that it is ACE, maybe a few
OTHERBSITP events, and then we were able to get him
out for this one, so maybe he'll return. He took fifth,
Frank Cravello got six, and then China reim as I
mentioned got seventh, so I mean, I think it'll be
good again. I think we'll get over the thirty eight
last year. You know, it's a tough field, but I
think it's you know, one of those ones where you're
gonna build off the momentum coming from the PGTPLO series.
You know, maybe you have some people who hit some
big scores throughout that series, maybe in the twenty five
K finale whatever, they parlay it into the hundred K
and we go from there. So I'll say forty three,
that's my number.
Speaker 2: Fourteen, I love it. I just hold for thirty nine.
Speaker 1: I mean last year was even with thirty eight. I mean,
I know it doesn't sound massive. You know, I always
gotta got to keep it relative here, you know, because
we are talking about the PGT and the numbers are
you know, they trend a little bit smaller than some
of the big field tournaments around the world, and you
know that's that's just what we're dealing with. But still,
you know, very good turnout overall. I did think that
it was going to be much bigger last year, but
ultimately I think the timing did not work in favor
of that happening. So this year. I think it's gonna
be a bit better. Yeah, well, we'll see how it goes,
you know. I would expect, also, you know, all the
big guys to come out for the Hunter K. You know,
the Isaac Axs and the Jared Blesnicks. We mentioned negran
neu osmas Aria. I expect Sean Winter in there. I
expect Alex Foxon in there. I expect Sam's overall in there.
Who else we got? Does Jim Collaby play the Hunter K?
Speaker 2: Probably not, but you'll probably find him in a satellite,
so he's running good maybe.
Speaker 1: I mean obviously all the finish guys you know, of course,
So yeah, I mean it'll be good. It'll be a
good turnout. I'm looking for the Texas Plo roundup PGT
is heading back there to the lone Star State champions Club.
Baby you love it? How many stakes?
Speaker 2: At least four? I mean, look at least stakes are
healthy compared to some of the other stuff I normally,
but they have a really good salmon, so I try
and alternate steak and salmon.
Speaker 1: Steak and salmon sounds like sounds like a good Uh, it's.
Speaker 2: A good eating place. I mean, if you like your food,
come down to Champions Club. That's all I'll say.
Speaker 1: It's a full PLO series is headlined by the thirty
three hundred dollars buying million dollars guaranteed main event. I
don't know that there's been a PLO guaranteed this large ever,
I could be wrong. I just maybe I haven't heard it,
have you?
Speaker 2: Like we looked, we couldn't find anything. Doesn't mean it
doesn't exist. Maybe it doesn't. It's not on hand in mom,
but we couldn't really find anything that rivals this.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I mean Champions Club is swinging big with this.
The buying's you know, nice and big. Nine total events
three hundred dollars up to fifty one hundred dollars. Not
all of the events as part of the nine on
the series count for the PGT, but the thirty three
hundred dollars main event counts. And then there are three
fifty one hundred dollars buy in high rollers. All those
events count for the PGT. So there's gonna be plenty
of big names I would expect, and also you know,
plenty of new faces. Everything I've seen and everything I've
heard out of not only Champions Club but Texas in general,
as it pertains to potlom and Omaha is it's like
the freaking wild wild West down there. Yeah, so I
can imagine I could you. You would not surprise me
if you told me that this main event had a
four million dollar prize. I would not be surprised. The
way that these guys play po Yeah, I'm not surprised
at all. Like I think the guarantee is a safe guarantee,
you know, I think it you know, you could probably
even make the arguments on the low end.
Speaker 2: I think it's on the low end. But the fact
it's never been done before anywhere, at least with the
no limit hold on one. When we said a two
million guarantee, we had previous events where with the same
buying or similar buyings in the region, So we had data.
This is this is called fresh. We got nothing on this.
We're just kind of guessing. So it could have it
could have thirty plays in the field, or it could
have three thousand plays in the field. We have no idea.
Speaker 1: I think I would have sprung for one point five
million to start. I think that would have been a
little bit you know, more robust. But but I understand
the argument of like you kind of don't know what's
going to happen, but yeah, it'll probably end I would
say around two million. I don't know. I mean it
just you know, it goes down to the marketing and
to the satellites to what's happening. There's there's a ton
of starting flights. You know, people are going to be
in there blasting and again if if anything that I've
seen in the past coming out of Texas, coming out
of Champions Colby and they have you know, they have
streams that are PLO, Like these guys are just all in,
all in, all in like it's just it's insane. So
I can only imagine people are going to be in
for like twelve bolts in this fricking thing. So it's wild.
I mean when when we went there for the Texas
pok are open, you know, a lot of the PGT
regulars came back and were like it's just different there.
Like these guys are firing in, you know, bullet after
bullet with like second pair, like it doesn't matter. So
I can only imagine that you're going to get that
times six for PLO just because of how crazy it is.
You know, these people love to gamble, so so yeah,
I'll say the prize school comes in around two million.
If you're a if you're a PLO enthusiasts, you know,
I'm looking at someone like our good friend mon Nouara
for example, who you know you might not come out
to play the PGT PLO series just due to the
the higher level of competition. I would certainly say get
down to Champions Club and try and get into this
main event because I think it's you know, I think
it's going to be that good. There are plenty of
opportunities to play with multiple starting fights. There's a bunch
of other events on the schedule as well. Champions Club
is a great place to play. Has that hotel right
attached to the property? Do you know of any players coming? Going?
Speaker 2: Going?
Speaker 1: Is he coming?
Speaker 2: I don't think. I don't think he's coming. Two players.
One of our close friends, Arthur Morris, said he's coming.
He's firing hard. Is he coming for the coming for
some of it? He has a family thing that he's
taken care of so well. He said he's going to
come down, hopefully play one hundred K, but definitely playing
the hat. Yeah, he better bring the hat. That's the
lucky hat. But I'll tell you who is coming, mister
w s P himself.
Speaker 1: Phil Hellmuth. You just said he wasn't coming.
Speaker 2: No, the main event champion has two Yeah he has,
maybe he's allowed to. He's got two cash's remember he
needs one more. He is very aware that he needs
one more. He was upset that we killed the Bounty series.
But obviously he's I don't think he lives in Houston,
but I think he's close.
Speaker 1: I think he lives in the like the greater Houston area.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Houston's huge, so I didn't really that could
be a three hour drive. Yeah, I don't know. Take
me an hour. It took me ninety minutes to get
to the airport the other day when I was there.
He's coming, and I wouldn't be surprised if he is
Max late registering these main event flights, just trying to
sneak into the money, maybe playing Max late the high rollers,
just to lock up that one extra cash so he
can qualify for the free roll. And you know there's
other events obviously NPT will probably see him at and
you know, if he breaks all of these, we've got,
you know, our end of season events in January, So
but yeah, he's definitely going to be there trying to
get that cash and obviously just trying to win another
another main event because he did final table the one
back in April as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we'll see if we'll see if Tomao can
rip off the third cash. I would say yes, just
given the number of starting flights that there are. Yeah,
I think your favorite to get that third cash. I
mean it's good, it's a good This is a good
tournament for anyone looking for their third cash, even if
you don't necessarily consider yourself like a big PLO player,
just because of the way that like it sets up
structure wise with all the lights. Like if you just
like you said, if you basically just max late reg
and just kind of knit it up to you getting
that money, like you can in a way kind of
finagle the system.
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially fight so you could put in three hours
of work less qualify for a million dollars free row.
That's exactly pretty way to do it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know that, like Brian Kim is still
looking for his third cash. He was messaging me about
the PLO Series roundup, and I don't think he's ever
played PLO so what I mean, you know that that
sort of thing you could you could see that for
this series, so we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: So those are the three big PLO series that we
have coming or well one of them is in event,
but but yeah, PGT PLO Series October fourteenth through twenty second,
Super High Rollerbowl PLO October twenty fourth through twenty six,
lots of streaming from those two. Every PGT PLO series
Foul Table will be live streamed. I believe it's going
to be Remco and myself on the call for that,
and then Super High Roleble PLO three days of live
streaming for that, and then I haven't seen the live
streaming schedule for Texas PLO Round Up yet, but I'm
assuming there is one the out live stream from there.
We're just ironing out those details so you know, everyone
can stay tuned.
Speaker 2: But that's kind of configure Cash Game Festival beforehand leading
into main events stuff like that. So we'll be coming
out soon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then the Texas PLO Round Up series kicks
off on November sixteenth, so stay tuned for all that.
Of course, all your PGT information PGT dot com go ahead.
Speaker 2: The one beauty about this series is if you're a
Vegas local and you don't want to be on the
strip for the F one, you want to just leave
town for F one.
Speaker 1: That's huge. I didn't even think about that. Get this
lot of here, go to Texas exactly.
Speaker 2: This is the perfect time. The main event runs over
the F one weekend, so you can leave the city
for a few days, win some money playing plow, earn
some PGT points, and then come back to them taking
down the grum Prix annoyance that bothers us for so
much time.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe I should come to Texas even now,
just driving? Can I ask you a question? By the way,
this is completely off topic, but whatever, because like the
way I go to the studio, I go on the Highway,
I get off on Harmon the new exit, and I
go that way. When you drive down Harmon, do you
know what I'm talking about? Yeah, Well, there's on the
right there's like this like entrance to something, but it's
like it says like the address the addresses I don't know.
Let's say it's three thousand, nine and fifteen Harmon. But
then right above it there's a spinning sign of sixty three,
like the play spots left place. No that like the
place is called like sixty three or something, but like
the address doesn't match it. So I'm extremely confused what's
happening like and why they decided to call it like
sixty three or sixty three or whatever.
Speaker 2: I've literally never noticed that.
Speaker 1: I drive out every day and I always mean to
ask you.
Speaker 2: Or before you like before you turn right, do you mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like on that first the first light, like
if you if you stop at that light and you
were to go this is great podcasting. By the way,
Rich Ryan shot up producer for trans probably ripping his
hair out. But if you stop at that light, you
go left into Cosmo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking at the Google maps of it, but
I don't know. I have no idea.
Speaker 1: Sixty three city Center that's what it's called. I looked
it up sixty three Las Vegas dot com, Las Vegas
Boulevard and Harmon Avenue. Yeah, sixty three city Center. The
address is three seven one six South Las Vegas Boulevard.
So I'm just confused, why like you would name something
a number that.
Speaker 2: Is not I think, Yeah, I guess that's the parking
for city Center for the shops. It's got to be.
Speaker 1: Sixty three City Center is an exciting nation for dynamic
retail attraction and hospitality experience. Is located at the heart
of the Las Vegas Strip, at the intersection of Las
Vegas Boulevard and Harmon Harmon Avenue. I just don't understand
the name, and I drive by it all the time,
and I'm like, because if I was telling you, hey,
meet me at this place, and I said, like, meet
me at sixty three Las Vegas, yeah, you might think
that that's the address. Yeah, it's confusing, whereas like, no,
actually the address is three seven one six South Las
Vegas Bullard, Like, so it's just very confusing to me.
I don't know who did this, but I don't like
that person, and I have no reason for this other
than just annoys me every single time I tried.
Speaker 2: But you know, it's actually pretty cool. If you're on
I'm assuming you're on the website like I am. They
have a tab at the Toughness as Earthcam and it's
like a live viewing of that corner so you can say, oh, look,
lots of traffic. I'm not going to go that way
right now.
Speaker 1: Well, pretty this way is better than a lot of
other ways. I'll tell you that much.
Speaker 2: Well, right now, with the f one, it's I get
off on Flamingo, head down Flamingo, turn right dry past
Bilage here. But that's all cut down to like two
lanes now, so that's horrible.
Speaker 1: Well you can't, because but I can.
Speaker 2: I can do the harmony if I get off on
Flamingo West, head towards the Rio and turn down like
Value View or whatever street that is, I can do
like the backdoor method, but it's the same I measure,
it's like the same amount of time.
Speaker 1: It's also interesting that that Vegas has highlighted by like
this section, this corner here. I mean everyone is redoing
their digital LEDs. Yeah everyone. I mean it's unbelievable. But
maybe maybe on that corner is what we can they
can put next PLO Mount Rushmore, because that's what I
want to talk about, Okay, you know, just it's a
big PLO episode. So like my question is, like who's
on your PLO Mount rush More? You know, we often
talked about like who's on Poker's Mount Rushmore, Who's on
who's on the PLO Mount Rushmore. I think I think
we're at the point now with potlam and Omaha that
it's it deserves its own Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 2: Mister PLO is up there first. L E. S Passinian
number one drop pick for the PLO Mount Rushball. I
also believe he is the all time money winner in PLO.
Speaker 1: So he is the all time money winner.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's up there.
Speaker 1: He's not on mine.
Speaker 2: Just wow, do you want to trade pix here? Do
you want to do? You do one of yours?
Speaker 1: Sure? Okay, I got Phil Gelfund.
Speaker 2: Okay he was he was going to be online. Yeah, okay,
he's not my number one.
Speaker 1: I mean number one, isn't he widely regarded as the
PLO goat.
Speaker 2: Sure, then stop playing some more, Phil, instead of grinding
fucking one to two PLO online, come play the pg
T PLO series.
Speaker 1: And I heard I heard he's playing some events in the.
Speaker 2: Super playing the Hunter.
Speaker 1: K Oh, well whatever, he's I mean, he's too rich, he's.
Speaker 2: Not good enough. Yeah, he's watched them. But yes, I
think when you think PLO, you think of you think
of Phil Galfond. Obviously you have the runner once trainee
side as well. So yeah, he's on my list too.
Speaker 1: I'll go next Yen's kiling in I'll take the Finn
before your finessentially what I'm doing. There's no Elis Parson
and if there's not a YenS killing.
Speaker 2: In, sure, but that doesn't mean Yen's is better than
Elias Elis whatever.
Speaker 1: Man. Yeah, but this is like Mount Rushmore, so like
there's some historical aspect to it all. Like, you know, so,
I mean, one of the most successful Pilo players ever,
especially when it comes to online where he just absolutely
dominated cash games for so long, A bit of a pioneer.
I would say killing in was you know, just uh
for like the super aggression that he brought to the game.
He seemed like the guy just had limitless talent. So so, yeah,
somewhat ahead of his time in a lot of ways.
You know. It's also tricky, you know, because he's out
of the game right, you know. But but still I
think he would be deserving to a spot on PLO
Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think you and me would probably put
this guy on, but he probably doesn't deserve to be
on Tommy Legend, so.
Speaker 1: Does he don't even make my list?
Speaker 2: I'm but like I feel like, you know, when we
think PLO, you and me think about Tommy Lee, you know,
obviously last few years bracelets and coming to our series.
But I kind of in the same way you think
of Phil Galfon as PELO, I also think of Ben Lamb,
you know, like he doesn't play that much anymore. It
doesn't have like as much as much of the chops
as some of the other guys. But when I think PLO,
he's one of the names I I think of.
Speaker 1: Yeah, whenever I think of PLOW, I always snap think
of Ben Lamb, you know, amongst others. But he didn't.
He didn't make my list, made the short list was
it was in debate. But I put another Ben on there,
Ben Tolraene, I mean, just a absolute online PLO crusher,
super super consistent, Like in a lot of ways, I
feel like Toleraine is the model of a perfect PLO player,
Like he's extremely calm, resilient, I said, consistent, just I
don't know, kind of robotic, which isn't necessarily sexy, but
it gets the job done, and in the case of Toleraine,
it gets the job done in an extremely successful way.
So I think I would put him on there, although
I do need to say and I should have said
this before I said Tolraine's name, but Galfon and kilan
In snap wrote them down in my notes too easily
the next two spots. Because there's four spots on Mount Rushmore,
I basically had three players trying to vie for this.
So I guess I picked Tollerine now because I went
off what you said where you said Ben Lamps I
went into so but there's a case to be made
that I would have left them off this as well,
So it's it's tricky.
Speaker 2: My last one is obviously the obvious pick. The greatest
player in the world right now, Dylan Weisman, Okay, I
believe he's second or third on the PLO all time
moneyless as well, just you know, PELO bracelets, PLO titles.
He's not like kind of like Eliason and some of
these names I've mentioned, except for I guess Toleraine are
known for PLO. You know that feels like that's the
only thing they play. Obviously, some of these guys are
branching out. Weisman's playing a lot more of the PGT events,
but his bread and butter is is omaha, and that's
what he's known for. I think he's probably considered in that.
You know, Daniel always talks about the tiers of OMAHA
players and how he thinks he's like tier two or
tier three or something. You know, he always says Elis
is tier one. I mean, I'm I'm guessing Wiseman is
up there as well in some people's minds. So also
a massive advocate for PLO. You know, he's one of
the reasons we are kind of pushing these series now
because of the popularity and the demand and play a
player request. So yeah, he would, he would stinking But
like you could name a bunch of other people that
could easily take that false spot for me.
Speaker 1: So my fourth spot, I'm gonna go with Patrick Antonius
forever has played the largest games, obvious crusher, massive cash
game success, He's had successful live and online. He's super,
super consistent, kind of like the same thing I said
about Tolerain. Whereas if you were to build a model
poker player, I think you would probably spit out Patrick
Antonius just how it is. So so yeah, I think
I would put him on, and I would ultimately go
with galvon Keilan and Antonius and total, although I had
Victor Blom right there.
Speaker 2: Oh, I wonder if we'll see him.
Speaker 1: I mean the thing about Yeah, he's been playing more recently,
so we could very well see him for the series.
I mean, I'm not sure. The thing with Victor Blom
is the argument for Victor Blom is that I'm not
sure anyone reached the height when they were at the
height of their powers that Victor Blom did. But I'm
also not sure that he's done it for as long
as the others, right, Yeah, but like the others probably
don't have the ceiling that Victor Blom reached. I mean
he was the po en boss when he was at
the height of his powers, Like.
Speaker 2: He was the guy.
Speaker 1: I mean, you made it to the top of the
top on full to a poker at the time, like
you were playing it's older one, that's what you were doing.
Another argument for Blom is like I think he just
really shifted the high stakes landscape during that time. I'm
just really pushing the levels of aggression to things we've
never seen before, you know, pushing the stakes to ridiculous heights,
absolutely fearless. I mean, I just remember those days when
he was battling Antonio's heads up so many times. I mean,
his style, you know, aggressive fearless, high variants, all that
sort of stuff. It really did shape how I think
many people think of PLO. Now, I would say that
PLO is probably changed and isn't as aggressive or as
high variance as it's publicly conceit perceived to be. Right,
But I still think that Victor Blom is a lot
of reasons why people think like action action action when
they think of PLO, So could very well be an
argument to put him on there. And then someone that's
very similar to like a Victor Blom is Tom Dwant.
You know, I know he's My dogs are going crazy,
hold on.
Speaker 2: And they didn't like you, Tom Dwan. Picked That's that's
what it was, because I think it's horrible.
Speaker 1: Well, the thing is is like he I know, you
could say everything I just said about Tom Dwan for
nola At hold him for sure, right. He also did
dabble in PLO quite a bit, so there's some case
to be made. I think ultimately he's a pretty clear
stay off the Mount Rushmore. But I did just want
to bring his name up and then somebody else that
I I kind of struggled with looking over results. This
person was like popped into my mind, like initially, and
then I was like, well, I don't know, it's Sammy Farha.
Speaker 2: Oh gots a great one.
Speaker 1: But the thing is is like I feel like Sammy
Faraha is more Omaha high Low than just plo. He's
so I know. That's why, Like initially he popped in
my mind. I was like, Sammy Farha for sure, right, yeah,
you know, plus you got like the history element, like
all that sort of stuff. So I think I ultimately
push him off, although I don't, I don't know. I mean,
it's it's hard. It's hard to get down to like
a final four for sure. Like there's arguments for a
lot of different people. I mean, for me, I have Galfond,
I have Keeling in in there for sure, but you
know I can I can kind of move people in
and out for the for the rest of it.
Speaker 2: We need a new like statue is there an We
need to build something that's Mount rushmoo, but with like
seven people falls hard man for anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's the point.
Speaker 2: I know, But like, you know, just give me a
Mount rushmore two seven people.
Speaker 1: I mean, it is is Sean deeve in the consideration
at all? Is Jeremy oustmas in the consideration at.
Speaker 2: All, Osmos is inconsideration. I think Osmos is. It's gonna
say it's Ozma's closer than Dave.
Speaker 1: But what about someone like Daniel Lahi. I mean, he
has had a lot of low.
Speaker 2: Racists, right, one might be a highlight of more.
Speaker 1: I think one is a high low for sure.
Speaker 2: Okay, so he has Okay, we may need to revisit
this Mount Rushmore. He has two PLO Championship racelets ten
k's ten K eight bracelets. He needs to be up.
Speaker 1: There, yeah, I know, But like it for him, it
comes down to like where is he at in the
cash game section of PLO Because all these other guys
that I've named, you know, Galfond, Quielan and Antonio's Blomb Toleraine,
they all had PLO dominance in cash games as well,
in addition to doing extremely well in tournaments. Right, So
it's it's tricky. I mean, I guess, I guess going
to your point, we need more than four spots in here.
Well that's our PLO Mount Rushmore. Not that we necessarily
locked in on a Mount Rushmore, but you know, just
talking about some.
Speaker 2: Of the he's one more name, Scott Clements leads the
all time Omaha High Low moneyless.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's all that's like a different game.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like, but like that's where Sam far
has fourth. You know, Bryce Yaki fifth, Daniel Lahi's six.
There's some josh Aria ninth. Big names on this list though.
Speaker 1: And then I just want to bring this this name up,
not that he's the name that that people don't know,
but Daniel Granny I will. I've said it before, I'll
say it again. I think that he is pretty underrated
when it comes to PLO, and I think he's got
a very good understanding of potlom and Omaha has had
a lot of success in it.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I think that people just associate Daniel with like nolam
At hold him and and probably mixed games and then
kind of forget about the PLO stuff with him. But
I think he's extremely good at PLO. You know, like
if he were to go on to win the PGT
PLO series, I would not be shocked in the slightest
and no one should be, you know, is that good
at PLO. I think he does very much understand it,
so maybe doesn't have you know, some of the big
flashy results the true that some other players have. You know,
maybe hasn't played the massive cash games that other players have,
but you know, I would say, don't sleep on Danieligranu
when it comes to potlam and Omaha. All right, So
last thing we're gonna do here, we're gonna play some
fantasy poker. Buddy, you and me are gonna draft six
players each. We're gonna the teams are going to cover
the PLO series Super High Rollable Poo. We're gonna include
the two NAPT events because they're on the PGT schedule
during this time, and then also the Texas PLO Roundup.
And then we're gonna have three categories, most cashes, most
total money won, and then wins and wins are like,
you know, if every every time one of your player wins,
you get whatever we're betting. I would say we bet coffees,
because we always bet coffee.
Speaker 2: So let's just show.
Speaker 1: Now, after the PLO series, which I'm assuming we're going
to have a podcast after that, we'll do a drop ad. Okay,
you can drop one player and add someone in that
person's place, but the player you can drop has to
have zero cashes. So if everyone on your team cash
is during PLO. You ain't dropping anyone, okay, rules, Okay,
So this is what we're gonna do, and we're gonna
see how good you and I are at drafting players.
What do you want to do? Do you want the
first one or second two?
Speaker 2: Second two?
Speaker 1: Of course? I mean I'm taking Helis Parson. God damn it.
I mean what did you think I was gonna do?
I mean the thing is because he might you know,
he might not. He might not show up for the
Texas PLOS so I might definitely not.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm taking taking Ozmas second, man, do I want it?
Can I get this guy in the next round? I
think I can. I'm gonna take Ozmus and Josh a good,
very good picks.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna go with I mean, I gotta
go with NEGRONI of course, and then Bryce Yockey.
Speaker 2: Good one, very good. Pick two guys I wanted. There's
three guys I want right now.
Speaker 1: Well you can only take two, buddy.
Speaker 2: Taking Jim call up me next. Wow. See, I know
this guy is skipping the PLOS series the Texas I'm
gonna take wait, wait, just to clarify Texas PELO around
up PGT qualifying events only at count with Okay, I
had to check. I had to check. I'm gonna take
I have to take him Dan Weisseman.
Speaker 1: Also, I'm changing most total money one to most.
Speaker 2: PGT points because yeah, most money one is Yeah, that's better.
Speaker 1: I am going with Alex Foxen. And I mean, there's
a chance that this guy doesn't play stuff. I have
no idea. Sean Troja, I'm taking.
Speaker 2: And josaml.
Speaker 1: Wowow he's coming. Huh.
Speaker 2: I don't see why not. He always plays the Felis
and he could go to Texas. He's probably playing the
n apt might escape the hundred.
Speaker 1: But I got no idea.
Speaker 2: Actually, wait, no, don't you need Wait how many do
you have? I have five?
Speaker 1: You you were done?
Speaker 2: I thought we're only seven. God damn, I've left my
last one. I should have taken it.
Speaker 1: All right, well then we can do We'll do seven.
I'll give you the benefit of do all right, I'm
gonna do Team drip Jesse Lois d damn it. I
go ahead, loans yours.
Speaker 2: That was who I was going to. Well, too bad, buddy,
you got one more? No, you got two more?
Speaker 1: No, I'm done. Okay, I have Parson in Negra and
you Yockey Fox and Troja, Lonus and Shulman. You have
Osmas Aria. I just said Lonus and Shulman, huh. And
I have ari and I'm done. You have ari A, Osmas, Kalipie, Wiseman,
Kaijer and Samow and you need one more. So this
is the final pick.
Speaker 2: Okay, here are the names I'm considering since the droft
is over. Got King John Okay, Adam Hendrix Okay, Saval Chino,
Cliff Josephy, Bradley Rubin. No, we know who'll play in Texas.
But some of those guys, you know, whatever, they may
be be a flaky on the hundred. We've got the Tyler,
the Goat, and we got our boy, Alan Lee. This
is really tough. I'm just oh my god, any wants
so good. He just always crashes the studio. I have
to take Alan Lee. Gota do it?
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 2: I want to play possibly, but like I mean, I'm
pull up some stats right now. He's the one on
the Alan Lee.
Speaker 1: Well, he's got three hundred and forty nine PGT points,
one hundred and thirty sixth place, so well.
Speaker 2: He gosh, he goshed four times in March the PLO series, right,
he cashed four times in October last year, and then
in the March one he cashed five times. So and
he's got one win from those thirteen cashes. I don't know.
It's a gamble. You know. He missed out on Nacho.
Nacho could have been a good one. Kempton, I have
no idea I was going to winner Max Coleman, Tyler.
Speaker 1: Brown, Kempton in seven months.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he only plays Pelon now, Okay, God, if I
had lonas I was at that at the best team,
If I got Lonis thought he might have slipped through
the crack.
Speaker 1: All right, Well let's go okay, all right, Yeah, so
we'll check in on that and uh, let's see how
we go. I think I'm gonna win for sure, and
you're gonna be owing me coffees for like a fucking year.
He can't wait. You got anything else for me? Or
what Toki was?
Speaker 2: No? I don't think I die.
Speaker 1: Do you have anything else at all? Family thought?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Not really? Okay either do I either do?
Speaker 2: Hi?
Speaker 1: All right? So next up for us? What I'm gonna
try and grab an interview or two during PO series.
Speaker 2: That's my goal.
Speaker 1: I would love to sit down with Jesse Lonis, so
I'm gonna put that out there.
Speaker 2: May or may not have broken his finger on Monday
playing basketball with me.
Speaker 1: Wow, did you break the fingers?
Speaker 2: I did not. I was I was not on that court.
Was not. I was actually sitting out in that game. Yeah,
he left. Ellie had fingerproping. He'll be right. He could
just check with a different finger.
Speaker 1: Yes, it could could affect things when it comes to
you know, peeling cards, throwing in the middle, all of
that sort of stuff. All right, As I mentioned, I
go over to poker steak dot com if you guys
want action on some players playing in the pg T
PLO series. I believe Jonathan Little even has some stuff
he listing on there, as does Hailey Hannah for the
PLO series. Stephanie Chung is on there, Cheris Andrews is
on there. I mentioned Dan and mcgronney for the Super
high Roller role. Ozma still has two percent left Ozma's
mcgranney's got his two bullets up there, Harrie has got
a bullet up there. So plenty of action to be
had on poker steak dot com for the upcoming PGT events.
That's gonna do it for us. My name is Donnie Peters,
his name is Tim Duckworth. Talk to you guys next time.
Speaker 2: So yeah, night. The Change Express