Speaker 1: When your old career gives you lemons throwing some ice
mix in some vodka.
Speaker 2: He call it a podcast from the Mac of All
Trade studio in Fairport and driven by Victor Chrysler Dots
Jeep Ram. It's Billified, the Bill Moran Podcast. Well, hello
and welcome. Thank you for getting your pun on, Thanks
for telling her friend and spreading the word about Billified.
Dating's in the house, got his Mac of All Trades
hat on and actually brought in a hammer of store.
It's a massage gun. Yeah, I was very kind to you.
Speaker 3: Well, I know Jamison's on the you know, he could
be on the injury list for a while, so I
want to make sure he's up and ready to go
for basketball seasons.
Speaker 2: So we want to work out the kinks, working out
the kinks the way we like it. No, it's funny
with all the stuff that goes on with D one
athletes and you know, the nil deals and the trades
and switching schools and all this.
Speaker 3: Eight hundred different athletes switch schools last year. Can you
believe that?
Speaker 2: Oh? Well, I mean Syracuse football team certainly benefited from that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're good now, I.
Speaker 2: Mean they really are, right, They got guys who are
pretty good free to have it forty fours. Yeah. Well,
see the thing is like you've got a free to
have a forty fours, which is a bar down there.
No what I'm thinking, you're getting that tuition paid for.
I saw something.
Speaker 1: I don't think they care about that.
Speaker 2: They may not. Some might, they may not.
Speaker 3: That's what the one dude's like the third string tackle
who like it's going to become a doctor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he'll care about that. Yeah, But the rest of
them are like, I'm just give you my money.
Speaker 2: Uh, there's something. The common app came out back in
nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 1: When did you go to Fisher from ninety eight to
two thousand and two?
Speaker 2: Okay, so you had just been after the common app. Well,
the common app does it's applying to multiple schools at once.
Oh okay, so you send out kind of one thing
and they all take take the.
Speaker 1: Thing, so kind of like a resume.
Speaker 2: Really yeah, in a sense, that's a great point. So
I was reading this and I said. Stacker used the
most recent data from the National Center for Education Statistics
to rank the twenty five hardest colleges to get into
across the United States and they're ranked by the twenty
twenty two acceptance rates and supplementary test score. Data is
included where available. Ranked colleges. So the bottom number twenty
five school I'm not familiar with. Maybe you've heard of
it Barnard College in New York City.
Speaker 3: No, never heard of it.
Speaker 2: Acceptance rate is eight point eight percent. They get twelve
thousand nine applicants and they only admitted one fifty six.
Speaker 1: Have never heard anybody on a TV show. You won't
get into Barnard, right, Yeah, it's the matter with you.
Speaker 2: What do you think the median SAT score, which is
not the average median is different than average. It's like
right the middle, yeah, yeah, the middle, the middle of
the middle. Yes, what do you think the middle SAT
score would be for that school? Umm?
Speaker 3: It's gonna be a curve ball, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm thinking unless the SAT scores changed.
Speaker 3: Well, now they're out of twenty four hundred points. When
you and I were going to school, they were sixteen hundred.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's right, All right, Okay, then then this makes
more sense.
Speaker 1: So it makes me would it be like uh, fifteen hundred.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fifteen oh five is right in the middle.
Speaker 3: Because there was there was matthe and verbal when you
and I went to school, then there was a writing portion.
Speaker 2: Yes, they added, Okay, I didn't know that. Uh. Rice
University in Houston comes in number twenty four the top
three hardest schools to get into in the country, and
he guesses as to what will be in the top three. Daniel, Well, Harvard,
Harvard is number two.
Speaker 3: Is an easy one.
Speaker 2: Harvard is number two. Median SAT score fifteen to fifty. Okay, well,
I almost want to go take the n SAT with.
Speaker 1: The writing portion. I think I could be s by way.
That's like eight hundred free points for somebody.
Speaker 3: Like you or me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to see what are you writing about?
I don't know.
Speaker 1: I forgot I let's say great on cursive then I'm screwed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, acceptance rate there is three point two percent. Okay,
what do you think is the what else you got
any others in their top Harvard number two?
Speaker 3: Massachusetts Institute of Technology MIT Is that up there?
Speaker 2: No, but there is an Institute of Technology. But you're
just on the wrong coast.
Speaker 3: Okay, it's not orit then if I'm on the wrong coast, Yeah,
is it somewhere in California.
Speaker 2: It's the California Institute of Technology. The hardest to get
into median SAT score is fifteen fifty. I've never heard
of c ME, neither three point two percent acceptance rate.
They get sixty one thousand plus applicants.
Speaker 1: Mostly probably from overseas.
Speaker 2: And they admit just under two thousand and have a
total enrollment they say one six hundred and forty six.
So there must be a bunch of people who don't
go those who are admitted. I don't I don't understand
because the emission rate is higher than what I would
think is the total enrollment, but I don't know if
that's enrollment per class. And then Stanford was number three.
At Stanford is.
Speaker 3: Tougher to get into than Princeton or Yale.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're on there, Oh, sure they are, but
they're on their Stanford's because it's on the West coast
and Palo Alto. Well, I was thinking about this chic Yes, yes,
produced Zuckerberg. So I was thinking about Barry Bonds's muscles.
All this stuff with colleges, because colleges are actually up
by two point four percent in enrollment in twenty twenty
four according to data, and I always think college is
a privilege, and can you think about I think a
great learning experience, like overall in life, just a great
learning experience. But I thought, how do you think college
benefited you? Because these are the hardest schools to get into,
but there are other schools and you noticed Saint John
Fisher not on the hardest list.
Speaker 3: Well, I think college benefited me by well, it taught
me the proper way to write as far as the
academic is academics are concerned. It really clicked and clicked
for me, and how to write at Fisher right, and
to have a love for writing, because if you don't
have a love for right, a love for the written word,
you're not going to get good at it.
Speaker 1: You're not going to care right.
Speaker 3: As far as academics go, and looking at things, you know,
from different perspectives, you know, as far as college as
a whole, I think it prepared me because it got
me out of a little Silver Creek, New York and
got me to understand people differently, Like not everybody thinks
the way you and your twelve friends think back home,
you know, not even close.
Speaker 1: There's all kinds of different perspectives.
Speaker 2: Not even like in Pine Plains, Pine Plans, Silver Creek.
I think you could swap them out right.
Speaker 3: Like I did not know one single person that tipped
a cow at s Fisher University to.
Speaker 2: Still say it can't happen.
Speaker 3: I still we never We never tipped any either.
Speaker 2: But I I think it's a myth. I don't think
you can do it. And everybody tells me I'm full
of shit. Nah we did it, we did it.
Speaker 1: I go, Okay, really, you actually wasted the time to.
Speaker 2: Go Yeah, we tried. I'm not telling you that. I'm
telling you we tried. I think it's.
Speaker 1: Impossible telling me what you want to get between the
utter and the two on two.
Speaker 3: Uh, but I think like it kind of like got
me to understand, you know that, like how other people
can think and you the one thing about being a
freshman is that that they don't tell you this. And
I actually when I mentored some freshmen, I wrote them
in my letter, hey listen, freshmen love to argue, so
be ready because in my freshman class, everybody on halfy
five love to treat everything.
Speaker 1: As a debate.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, like they just play Devil's advocate and then
we just have the end.
Speaker 1: I'm like what the hell is withold these people?
Speaker 3: It was just everyone to show off their intellect, even
though they couldn't get like a two in class. But man,
when it came to like drinking and and and and talking, man,
they were they were brilliant. They were they were like
the world's greatest philosophers.
Speaker 2: Just to ask them, well, there you go. I was thinking,
like I actually wrote. I wrote out an answer for
this because I asked myself the question, how do you
think college benefited you?
Speaker 1: We should ask ai what they think?
Speaker 2: Well, because I think that people often will go, well,
is it worth it or not worth it? It is a
huge expense, And I was surprised to see that enrollment's
up a little bit. But I said, I believe college
instilled within me a genuine appreciation for knowledge, like it
just a and learning for its own sake, rather than
any kind of means to an end, just to have
the knowledge. It's kind of nice to know things or
be able to figure things out. I said. It fostered
a deep respect for the learning process itself and a
kind of intellectual pedigree, which I go, that's kind of
a that's kind of a snobby thing to say, But
there is an intellectual pedigree. I think, oh yeah, bit.
Speaker 3: I mean, think about it, like, if you know anybody
who Let's put this way, if you probably know about
ten people in your life, let's say that didn't go
to college, and maybe three of two or three of
them have done really well for themselves, exceptionally well. The
middle group is probably done relatively well okay, and the
bottom group is you know, still living with their parents,
are doing whatever. But you could tell in conversation what
they talk about, what they think about the difference between
those types and people who you went to college with.
Speaker 1: There's like a difference.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying one smarter than the other, but there's
a difference in their conversations and the things that they
care about.
Speaker 2: Well, this is what I'm saying. And the ability to
apply all that knowledge in a meaningful way, to think
critically and to simply know things. I also think it
nurtured to lifelong appreciation learning and the importance of never stopping. Additionally,
and open the door to valuable connections both intellectually and socially.
I think, but that's where I say a certain pedigree.
And then I thought, but does college and the system
make people sort of droids in a sense. Do you
know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 2: Are you are we going meeting? You go to college,
you get a degree, you get a job, you find
your girl, you settle down, and that's it. And are
we equipped when you go to college? Are you really
equipped for the real struggle? Well, the school of hard
knocks the things that come out of the oblivion, right,
they come out of the oblivion.
Speaker 1: Oh no, not at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not at all.
Speaker 3: You're not even close.
Speaker 2: No, Because it's sort of like and I don't mean
to diminish, because I think education is important, but it's
sort of your bubble wrapped in a way. You know.
I don't know I would because I'm going things happen
like would you be better off kind of scraping your
knee a little bit having some skin in the game.
Do you appreciate it more? The kids that I went
to college with, that went to the Marines first, used
that GI money to pay for college and stayed in
the reserves, they seem to appreciate it a little bit
more than people like me. Where I mean, you're going
on mommy and daddy's month and your expenses are paid,
And I have to say I did.
Speaker 3: Do that yes, I did, I did do that.
Speaker 2: I did too, But you, I think appreciated it more
because neither one of your did either one of your
parents go to college.
Speaker 3: My mother tried going to community college and she had
to pay for it for herself, and you know, eventually,
like in the seventies, it just wasn't a thing for her.
And she was she wanted to be a draftsman. She's
a heck of an artist and so, but she just
didn't shouldn't finish school.
Speaker 1: So no, they didn't really.
Speaker 2: Get to so my parents did. So it was sort
of the expectation, and I think, like, I go, yeah,
you know, in a way, you were sort of there,
bubble wrapped, right.
Speaker 3: My father had this Cold War approach with us, like
in other words.
Speaker 1: You have to go to college or the Russians will
beat us. Okay, okay, yeah, But.
Speaker 2: Then you look at the people who dropped out of college.
Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg all dropped out, Richard
Branson dropped out, started Virgin Records. Right then he goes
against the Stones to the sex pistoles. Thomas Edison. I
think Thomas Edison was kicked out of twelve schools to
his I I no, No, Thomas Edison not kicked out
at twelve schools. That that's wrong. I believe he dropped
out of school at the age of twelve because the
traditional learning didn't help. Clearly, the man's a genius. Went on,
you know, we have the light bulb and all these
things that just were groundbreaking, right.
Speaker 1: And they are bored and they had to move on.
Speaker 2: Right. So then I go, well, what about the party schools,
the schools that are known for partying?
Speaker 1: Alfred?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 3: Sorry, sorry, sorry, Greg, I didn't I didn't see it there.
Speaker 2: Let's say you don't have a genius on your hand.
Speaker 3: Actually, I think it's the place across the street, but
the state one.
Speaker 2: But you got a social kid who you know, who
thinks c's get degrees, does not worry about it.
Speaker 1: George Bush type George Bush j Yeah.
Speaker 2: W They come home and say I want to go
to college, and I want to go to and I
was trying to look up the number one party school. Actually,
I think is pretty good school. According to research and
ranking site niche. They released its round up of the
top party schools in twenty twenty five. Azona State University
no University of California, Santa Barbera number one, the couch
shows yes Wow. And they to put this together five
hundred thousand student reviews, and they the Nietzsches data scientists
assigned scores based on the following factors. Student surveys, access
to bars, athletics sounds like for Doonia State athletics, athletics grade,
Greek life grade, and access to restaurants. And somebody writes,
it's literally heaven on earth for an eighteen to twenty
one year old at U see.
Speaker 3: We got four taco bells. You see Santa barb five
Starbucks across the street.
Speaker 2: As long as you don't overdo it. You need to
prioritize school over partying because the academic load is quite rigorous.
But here's my question. Is this the better way for
you to get ready for real life? A life boot camp?
In a sense you got everything, every option, you get
a study because they're you're always going to have in life,
the things that you want to do and the things
you have to do right. And if college is a
way to ease into adulthood and get an education and
all the nice things I don't know, I go are
notorious party schools better. But I don't know. It's like
playing Survivor with mom and Dad's money in a sense,
like you're you know, you figure it out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think you do.
Speaker 2: You do.
Speaker 3: You do eventually have to figure it out because because
you have to learn how.
Speaker 1: To be an adult.
Speaker 3: The thing is, though, is that I think college has
gotten so watered down when the exception of the price
tag that continues to go up that you got to
be a real like even grunk got through college. Okay,
I mean it's almost like a given that you're going
to get through it. Yeah, I mean, I don't even
know if it means anything anymore. They just like, like
employers just want to see that you actually went through
with it. Well, it does give me me to me,
I wish there was some way that you could just
truncate education, like like you said, a boot camp into
real life, get rid of colleges and just I say
this as a Fisher guy who's employed by two universities
right now announcing football games, But I mean, I wish
there was a way to truncate college and hey, what
do you want to do? What do you want to
go into? Okay, you're going to do a practicum. You
want to be in sales, You're gonna do a sales practicum.
We're gonna take you through all the steps to do it.
You want to be a plumber, they have trade schools
for that, obviously, but you want to go into the
arts or the sciences or whatever.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I think if you have to be a doctor, you
got to go a little bit longer than somebody who
just wants to be, you know, an anchor on a
television show.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 3: Okay, But I think that we need to truncate school
now because I think colleges have now just become just
factories for mindlessness, and that's not what they're supposed to be.
Speaker 1: They were supposed to be.
Speaker 2: They're supposed to be like yeah, because I would say,
like if my kids said to me, I'm going to Princeton,
I don't think there's I'm not saying there's not a
party scene there, but there's a probably a lot more
rigorous academic you know, academia, and maybe that's part of
the partying or do you you learn better to balance
those things. I don't know. Syracuse University is one of
the top five party schools, and uh, this may be
the reason why the motto.
Speaker 3: Another peer on your university, another another beer on your parents.
Speaker 6: Fraternity one investigates what the chancellor calls repugnant conduct seen
in a video circulating in social media in the Disturbut.
Speaker 2: Two fraternities at Syracuse University shut down.
Speaker 1: Like wait not just one?
Speaker 2: No? No? Two? Two past week? Yeah two, here we.
Speaker 3: Go, got a topic.
Speaker 4: I go.
Speaker 6: Two students are seeing vomiting on two others lying on
the ground. Another tape to a poll with their mouth covered,
arms stretched out.
Speaker 2: Now this is the book camp I'm talking about.
Speaker 4: You got yourself into that situation.
Speaker 1: Motherfucker, get it. Get out.
Speaker 2: You gotta get out. That's I'm I'm not look I
am for education. I don't. I do think it's sometimes
it's a little elitist. Yes it is. It's expensive. I
can't deny that. But if you're able to go, or
you can find a means to do it, I think
it can benefit you in the long run and give
you a greater appreciation for life. And like you said,
you're exposed to more different people, different things. You don't
have to agree with it. I'm telling you go in
there and do that, but it will sharpen your mind,
but it sharpens you as a person. I think, Okay, wonderful.
Then there's this shit that goes on there right because
it's unbridled kids with no real supervision. And then we've
got somebody where you're fed drinks and then two guys
have to In one story, the people laying on the ground,
they didn't say it here, I'm going to back it up,
but they were tied up. They were like had their
hands tied behind their backs and they had to lay
there while these guys and I'm assuming it's incoming people
are puking on them from drinking too much. I don't
don't know what this story.
Speaker 3: They're pledging, yes, they're pledging yes, so, uh, you could
trust us.
Speaker 2: Some asshole took a video of this.
Speaker 3: Brothers, bah, this is my thing.
Speaker 2: It's like it's all part of yeah.
Speaker 1: No, we could trust you.
Speaker 2: Ba.
Speaker 6: Repug conduct seen in a video circulating in social media.
In the disturbing footage, two students are seen vomiting on
two others lying on the ground. Another tape to a
poll with their mouth covered, arms stretched out. The phi
CAPA Side National office has also ordered the fraternity to
stop all activities while police investigate new tonight the national
chapter aside the home office.
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, broh Yeah, you might want to just take
a little break from frattinis and bro because that's not
what Bi Kappa Gemo stands for.
Speaker 2: Bro Again, It's like, it's unreal, right we do.
Speaker 3: That the privacy of our own frat in a.
Speaker 1: Bathtub like a normal person.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, Fi Campus I will work closely with university
officials to identify those responsible and ensure accountability. Hazing has
no place in Phi Campasi or in society, and we
remain committed to eradicating it from our organization. Syracuse University
DPS is working with Syracuse Police. If you have any information.
Speaker 3: Don't be a rat by the puck, crime stoppers, don't
be a rat.
Speaker 2: Okay, if you see.
Speaker 3: Somewhat pledging a fraternity, please call crime stoppers. You could
be eligible for a cash reward.
Speaker 2: Does this give you the same? Okay, you go to
Barnard College, right, you're one of the two persons. Are
you're gonna get or are you're going to get a
better chance of survival skills at Syracuse University where at
a fraternity they're you're getting puked up. I don't know.
Speaker 1: That is a great question.
Speaker 2: Wonder where are you going to get the better? Where
am I getting more bang for my body? I mean,
look this ship. If you got a kid that likes
to party, they're going to find a party at whatever
college they go do. But I'm just saying those more
rigorously academic or better known for that, the harder ones
to get into that we talked about earlier. I wonder
if Syracuse, which is not an easy pushover school, no,
by any chance, you get into.
Speaker 3: The new House program for calm man, you gotta work.
Speaker 2: You got it. So I just wonder what is the deal?
But when they when they turn their puke in Honya
and they got two fraternities shut down, and that's where
I go, I earn Okay, So I'm wondering, like, I
got one more, one more guy who's going to go
to college right probably in the next four or five years.
Do I make him get a little skin in the game,
maybe even delay a year or something.
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, do r OTC or something.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying something to be a little more valuable.
Because I know who your daddy was and I had
a take another.
Speaker 1: Year off your DNA. Well then but then you look
at Jordan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Jordan's got ah, he's a lot like his
mom's SOD.
Speaker 3: Yeah her DNA.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's very smart.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, Jackson didn't go to college.
Speaker 2: Right, Jackson did not. Jackson did do some community college
and was a very good writer, really good writer. But
I think with jack Jackson had some yeah things going on,
and so he's doing some other stuff.
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, because like if you go to
that Barnard College, I mean, I mean, I'm sure like
stuff goes on, like stuff went on at Fisher, but
nobody ever was close to death, right.
Speaker 2: Like we didn't have frats or anything, right, And I thank.
Speaker 3: God too, not just because of the safety, but because
I think frats all due respect. If you've been in
a frat and you got through a frat, good for you.
I've never been a fan of frats. I could never
put my finger on why. I just think it's just
it's just I just it just doesn't do anything for me.
And most women I've talked to like hate frat guys.
But you go to you go to the U of
a man. It's like they didn't even go to off
campus parties. Everything's on campus.
Speaker 5: It's all.
Speaker 1: They all go to Greek life, that's their big thing.
Speaker 3: But I mean, I I just I I'm glad we
didn't have a frat at Fisher. But take all that aside.
It was like the safest place in America. Nothing even
remotely dangerous ever happened there. Like the most dangerous thing
was actually somebody having like an actual medical emergency, which
could happen to anybody. No, there was no there was
never any foul play. The worst thing that ever happened
was the scent of laundry coming from someone's room, because
you knew they didn't have, you know, the the lawn
they're spoofed to it.
Speaker 2: If you spell Dowdy coming out of two six, it's
fabric soft and they blow the pots.
Speaker 1: You knew some of it was smoke, could we right?
Speaker 3: And that was like the worst thing that could happen,
And it happened rarely, Like nobody did drugs.
Speaker 2: No, I just I just wonder, I you know, where
where are you better off? If you're gonna do the
college things, a party school where you have to navigate
this stuff, or.
Speaker 3: You well, I mean if you come out with student loans.
You're going to have to attack life. Yes, you're gonna
have to get a real job.
Speaker 1: Maybe too.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing that I if.
Speaker 1: Mom and dad pay for everything, that could be different.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing that I think is very very important
in life. And I think you saw it when I
mentioned guys who did not finish college, although they all
went Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Zuckerberg, Richard Branson, they all
had a motor. And that's the thing that I've always
said about my guys. I don't care what you do
or what it is, but you have to have a
motor to do something. You've got to have a motor
to do something. And I think like each one of
the guys has that, you know, And that's the part
that I think is the most important, because that's what's
going to propel you through life. Look at guys like
Gary Vee, who's a big motivational speaker and an early
investor in Facebook and Twitter, multimillionaire wants to buy the Jets,
didn't do well in school. I don't know much about
his education beyond the requirements of high school and stuff
I don't know. Would say that he didn't do well
in school. Great as an entrepreneur, right, Amazing has a motor,
has a motor that just doesn't stop, and that's the
most important thing. So, you know, all I would say
to anybody is figure out what it is if you
can do the college thing and you like it. I
think even for kids who say who like I wasn't
very good in I didn't like school, I get bored, whatever.
But once I got to college it was more, you know, stimulating.
Speaker 1: I did better in college and tell actually.
Speaker 2: Stimulating, and I loved it. So I think that's the thing.
But I thought that was sort of interesting. And I
love the Syracuse getting in trouble losing two frats shut
down baby.
Speaker 3: By the way, in the story they said one of
the frats said, we do not tolerate Amazing.
Speaker 1: Yes, since when since today?
Speaker 2: Well, I say today. I think they've been really trying
for the past couple of years to squash that down.
Don't forget. I don't know how many years ago, but
GENNESEU had a could die.
Speaker 1: Yeah I remember that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So I think that the hazing thing, it
feels like it was more popular. I thought it was
sort of out. I just done with because there was
such a thing on a taboo. But then I thought, man,
they just went underground.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fraternity aren't the only thing down south.
Speaker 3: A lot of schools like do you know why, Like
in college football and basketball, halftime is like twenty minutes,
which is ridiculous. Like in the NFL, it's thirteen, they
get back quick. In college football it's twenty minutes. The
reason is because of band scholarships, right, both bands have
to go perform in front of everybody. But those bands
they have hazing that go I'm not joking, and they're
like esbing, like Outside the Lines and stones. Florida I
think it was Florida. A and M had like two
kids die on a bus, you know, in a hazing incident.
Speaker 2: I mean somebody puts your uh somebody uh put your
mouth piece up your ass.
Speaker 1: People have died.
Speaker 2: We're getting a call here. Let me uh, okay, let's
see call or can you hear me? Oh? Thank you?
There's no sound, no sound, No, it's okay, thank you,
bye bye. There's no sound on the Why would that be.
There should be sound. I've got sound coming out here,
and there should be sound going out there. I'm seeing
it over here. I have to check.
Speaker 3: I'm not hearing a thing, Billy, I'm just using mental telepathy. Community.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, we'll take a moment. Steve Sercu is
gonna come in. I did a one on one with
him earlier. We'll get to that. And when we come
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Speaker 4: Little baby on the appation Tree.
Speaker 2: Six months old, Lead down, Free, musing jan Is this
a song that made you want to become a defense?
It was long after Outlaw p It was Folkesman. Name
is that love? Bruce? Would you see Bruce wearing?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 2: Bruce is the reason I think that a lot of
UH guys feel like now they've got to give longer shows.
I think, I really do. I think that Bruce Springsteen.
Not that he's the inventor of time or anything, but
he was one of the first that consistently does three
hour shows wherever he goes. And his reasoning, from what
I gather is people are paying a lot of money.
Speaker 5: He didn't stop. We were so it's a long story.
But when we saw him, uh the year before, we
saw him in Buffalo, Yeah it was I didn't like
the set list and his energy was bad for him.
And it turns out he had ulcers or some sort
of and he had to cancel the rest of his shows.
Speaker 2: And so that's right. I remember this, and.
Speaker 5: He was not one d per so it actually went
through a little depression, like was over.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, right, we go.
Speaker 5: There in April and this guy comes out and he's
jam in one of my favorite songs and he just
played rock for two hours and forty five minutes, no breaks.
Speaker 2: It's amazing.
Speaker 5: It's a seventy three years.
Speaker 2: It's amazing because I went to see the Stones the summer. Yeah,
and they were but I don't but their show was
more like ninety minutes or whatever for two hours. Yes see,
that's what I'm saying. And I go that, that's pretty impressive.
That's really impressive.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: Steve Cercy from Circu and is it circu with Circu
circus Circula circula. I did see. I drove by the
other day the new offices Monroe Avenue in Pittsford. Correct,
did someone hit a sign near there?
Speaker 5: No, there was a there was a win some wind. Damn.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, there was a wind fifty You know.
Speaker 5: I had a lot of friends, but he might have
a couple of enemies.
Speaker 2: Suture client. No, No it wasn't so I wasn't sure.
But I always think this is an interesting thing. Because
as a defense attorney, and I think a lot of
times people may look at it and go, well, why
would you defend certain people? And I know this is
something we're sort of reiterating because we've talked about this
in the past, But I always think the importance is
protecting the rights, but not just of the individual as
much as everybody, because it could be any one of
us at some point. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean, haven't been a prosecutor for twelve years. I
know the immense power, yeah, that the government has with
the police departments, and my experience as a prosecutor in
law enforcement was nothing but positive. With the players. Yeah,
you know, there's a good, hard working people that are
trying to do what they believe is right. And I've
always said that my job as a defense attorney is
really to check a government. My job, like all of
us who are defense attorneys, is to not have an
unfettered government agency which could really be tyrannical on its citizens. Yes,
and it's in the community, so you know, I'm the
buffer between the government and one or more of its citizens.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an interesting thing because I was I wrote
you and I kind of exchanged texts about topics and
things to talk about. And I wrote you saying, I
always feel like the government enjoys and maybe that's not
the right word, but a tremendous amount of resources that
go to prisons and taking putting bad people away, right,
it would be the purpose. But sometimes in that and
in those resources, innocent people get swept up. And I
had read something. I was reading something a while ago
about defense attorneys. It was making me think of you
with some story might have been in Vulture or something
like that, and the story was about a couple that
was getting divorced and they had four daughters and the
mother was claiming that the father had sexually molested the girls.
Speaker 5: It happens all the time, it does, absolutely.
Speaker 2: Okay, so they go into that. Now there's a trial.
So the guy's on trial, and I think that the
defense attorney's like, you know, I don't want to have
to cross examine these young girls. He's like, but I
gotta do what I have to do, because he said,
nobody's gonna really, everybody's gonna look at this and go, wow,
it's a possibility, right, and it's a horrible thing. And
this is this guy's awful, and this is why they
got divorced, and it sort of fits a narrative, and
he said the fourth the daughter got up there, like
each girl got up and said their thing, and then
the fourth one on pond questioning is broke down and
cried and SA mom told us to do this, and
I really miss seeing my dad. And then they brought
all the girls back in. And the defense attorney's point was,
if it wasn't for us defense attorneys, that guy's going
away because there's a Norman. Yeah, because there's enormous resources
that are at the disposal of the government to put
people like this away, and you do want somebody like
that put away. That's not the point. But the point
is this guy kept saying, I never did this.
Speaker 5: Well, I had a case County, and it really was
an interesting case. And what happened was I get a
phone call from a person, a gentleman who was charged
out of county with what's called patronizing a prostitute. So
I bring him in and we're sitting down and he said,
well it actually started off as a rape case. I said,
what do you mean? And long story short, he had
met a person on a website and agreed to pay
this person an outrageous amount of money for sexual intercourse,
and they agreed to meet out of county in a motel.
They go, they have sex. He says I'm gonna go
get the money from the car, and he drives off.
Now he happened to be African American and the complainant
who called the police immediately was white, and she said
that she had just been raped, raped forcibly raped. So
this out of county organization. Law enforcement did an all APB,
all points bulletin for this car. They find him, and
it did not go well in the beginning. You know
that you're a rapist. That's twenty five years, yeah, right right,
and by the minimum of five and the most match
of twenty five and you have to do six seven.
So here's where I got six seven, six sevens eighty
five percent of the twenty four six seven six sevenths. Yeah,
you don't get out in two three you whatever.
Speaker 2: Number you got to do, that would be okay. Why
seventeen even on good behavior? You know how we hear
if you get out of good behavior, it'll be whatever.
Speaker 5: Yeah, with violent felonies, it's called parole super Earth's it's
post release supervision. But you must serve at this point
eighty five percent of the number. But so what happens
is he's in my office and I said, well what happened?
He goes, well, they were all over me. I'm a rapist.
And I said, no, no, no, I got it on video.
What do you mean? So I videotaped.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry to left.
Speaker 5: So thank god this jem had enough presence of mine,
or he'd be it'd be her word against him.
Speaker 2: Now can I interject here? I have a funny feeling
it wasn't president of mine for him to do that.
He's invested a lot of money in this. He was
going to relivet this experience over and over. Had nothing
to do with protecting himself.
Speaker 5: Maybe you know he never was going to pay her anything. Yeah,
I mean, what's that of those uh deals? But I'm thinking,
you don't leave the you can't let him leave before
you pay.
Speaker 2: You can't know that that's bad business.
Speaker 5: But but that's just it. I mean, and that's where
he did his own investigation. And so criminal defense attorneys
we don't have the luxury that that that the government has.
Right like the Rochester Police Department. I'm a great officer.
There's eight hundred of them.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, look, the government has scientific Uh, you can
do scientific testing at a whim, you know what I mean,
You've got you've got the money, you can do scientific
testing and am So that's where I think the defense
attorney is. So, I mean, it's got to become like
you're my best buddy.
Speaker 5: It's a lot of stress. I'm sure it is immensely
because you have lives that are counting on you, and
you don't always have the ability to get science to
support your position. I mean, and so the talent of
great defense attorneys is the ability to cross examine, develop
a theory and a strategy that makes sense. Right, that
makes sense, and that is more than plausible. That's what happened.
Now we bear no burden of proof. The burdens entirely
on the government, which is a very high burden beyond
a reasonable doubt. But in the end, you know, if
they think your client did it, they're going to be convicted.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think is it fair to say, and
I know when they come to picking a jury, if
you go to trial, that you're looking for people who
would be not partial in any way.
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, I no, no, no, But no, No,
that's the biggest liss.
Speaker 2: Okay good. I'm glad because this is my thing I go.
I think most people, if they know what the case is,
they kind of are already going in with it.
Speaker 5: When I pick a jury, I want twelve jurors who
are going to do whatever I tell them to do.
If it's Thursday, and I tell them at the end
of the day during closing arguments that today's Wednesday, I
want twelve Jersey. Go back, and when they vote, is
today Wednesday, I want twelve Jersey. Yeah, Circus said it
was twelve or that it was Thursday or Wednesday. That's
that's what I want. And the prosecution they want the
same thing. And so we get this hodgepodge of some
that are more supportive of the defense, some are more
inclined to be prosecution, but they all can be fair
and partial, and so you get a hodgepodge of group
of people that you're not going to have twelve straight
people that are going to side immediately with what Circus
says or what the DA says, Miss Doorley or anything
else like that. So that's probably one of the more
most important parts of any prosecution, as would be Jerry selection.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would think because you know, as I'm thinking
about it, you mentioned the DA. They've got all these
resources that's sort of their fingertips in a way, and
they defendant has you Yeah, well, you know, which I
think is great.
Speaker 5: But in all fairness though, where I might carry two
hundred cases, yeah, you know, the legal system from the
prosecution sides thousands, yes, right, right right, there's crimes that
don't get solved, but that doesn't mean resources aren't being
expended to investigate them, right right, So you know it's
a double edged sword. Yes, they have all these immense resources,
but they have a lot more responsibilities, a lot more
cases than say I have. I carry routinely one hundred
and seventy five to.
Speaker 2: Two hundred cases, two hundred cases at a time at
a time. Yeah, wow, that's a it's a whole lot.
So like, what case strategy development, all that stuff? How
do you keep your head in terms of making sure
the each I mean, oh no, that I gotta think
the hours of this, Steve, it's got to be immense.
Speaker 5: If you drive by my office on Monroe Avenue, you'll
see my office. My my car is there almost every day.
It's not forever, but almost every day I'm in my office.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but when you're not, I would assume that there's
also working at home.
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: We travel a little bit to Florida. Yeah, here and there.
I work when I'm down there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. You know.
Speaker 5: Some of the things that we do is you know,
client service based. My clients want.
Speaker 2: To talk to me, yes, they do.
Speaker 5: I have no problem calling them back. Sometimes I sit
on a beach a lot in Florida and I'll call them.
Gonna go listen, those are the waves in the background, right, mister,
Are you calling me from the beach? I'm like, do
you need me? Yeah, I go, I'm calling you from
the beach. That's that's what.
Speaker 2: I do, right, because a lot of this stuff is
I got to think probably one of the biggest parts
of your job is trying to put somebody's mind at
ease or explain things in a language that they're going
to understand. Which not to say that anybody's not smart,
it's just that legally's is confusing.
Speaker 5: Well, the process, Yes, yes, there are a few people
understand what the process is. And so I have found
to be very beneficial for my clients that the more
I can explain to them. Certainly in the beginning of
a case leads to less anxiety, less uncertainty. That doesn't
mean it's there's no anxiety and there's no uncertainty because
there is going to because there are different players that
Often when I meet with new clients, I said, look,
you're gonna pay me all this money, whatever my reasonable
fee is, and you might lose. I'm not the judge.
I'm not the I haven't even seen what they say happen, right,
But if I can't fix it, nobody can.
Speaker 2: I believe that.
Speaker 5: I that's what that's that's what I do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know that. Uh you know, there's a lot
of high profile defense attorneys that will jump on TV
and stuff, and I'll see Mark Garragos on there and
then some guys and I'm always not that. Do you
look in the mirror, you could be on TV stuff.
Speaker 5: I don't do a lot of interviews.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, because you don't.
Speaker 5: It doesn't do my clients any good.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 5: The last thing I want to do is have the
media and then share that with the public and put
a magnifying glass on my case. That doesn't do the
more notoriety the more publicity that puts you put a
mess amount of pressure on.
Speaker 2: Well, you got there and the court of public opinion
gets out there.
Speaker 5: You don't need any more pressure on the players that
I'm dealing with to try to make an example out
of anybody.
Speaker 2: Can you ever turn it off? And here's why I
asked that question before. I should have let up to
it a little bit. But there's so many things that
happen in just the world and the news and pop
culture and things like the whole P. Diddy case. Do
you ever just look at these things and in your
own head have a strategy that just sort of formulates sing. Yeah,
I kind of think because it's what you do and
actually who you are.
Speaker 5: That's what law school does that changes normal people into lawyers.
We are constantly thinking strategy based and honestly, it affects
our effects. Whichever term you want to use in facts
would be a negative, of course, but it affects my
thought process and everything I do. Everything. It doesn't matter
if I'm going to a restaurant, I'm hanging out my buddies.
I think like a lawyer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's.
Speaker 5: Not always a good thing.
Speaker 2: We probably being able to save some people along the
way stupid things.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you certainly, you certainly can look at something different
than a normal person.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing that when I think for a
lot of people in the for example, in the Sean
Combs case P Diddy, the racketeering, I don't know that
most people understood what racketeering the charges are. Can you
explain that a little bit just now.
Speaker 5: The racketeer I'm not all that familiar with because that's
a federal term.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, of it sounds like it's.
Speaker 5: A bunch of group of people with a common purpose. Yes,
I mean they used to do that on the mob.
Speaker 2: That was the mob, right, there was a lot of
racketeering charges.
Speaker 5: There was a bunch of people that all get together
and they have the same a plan.
Speaker 2: That's sort of what they're saying with this is that
he had a bunch of people getting young ladies or
home ever to come into to be sex workers.
Speaker 5: You know, it's a lot like the Weinstein case. And
I have a real problem when we start prosecuting and
even when you start talking about civil cases where you're
where they're trying to lack of red term prosuit those kinds. Look,
I mean, do you know where you were January fifteenth
of twenty twenty four. I go, and you get these
people that come forward twenty twenty five years later, right,
And now we talked about the resources that a defense
attorney has are limited anyway. But you know, you're talking
about something that allegedly happened eighteen twenty twenty five, thirty
years ago, and somebody's going to come in and say
this happened to me, and it's going to be egregious, right,
And you know, there's not a heck of a lot
of defense corroboration, unless, of course, somehow you can prove
you were in India up in the space station, so you're.
Speaker 2: In fact, then there weren't the cameras all, Like you mentioned.
Speaker 5: We had a huge disadvantage. So as a defense attorney,
I looked at some of these cases. Now, your best
defense is that what they're saying is implausible and doesn't
make sense. Like I think one of the cases with Weinstein,
there was a woman who said he abused her once
in his room and then invited her back, and she
went and she went with her husband downstairs and a
car waiting for her. I mean, does that make any
sense to anybody if you're sexually abused on day one
to go back eight days later, going to the room alone,
leaving your husband downstairs in a car to say I
think I could be miss speaking about what her purpose was,
but just to say she was angry with them about
what happened. Yeah, yeah, well that'll make a lot of
sense to me.
Speaker 2: No, it's like walking back into the lions then, so
to speak, right, it sort of feels that way, like
you're going to the.
Speaker 5: Tiger stage and now you're talking about civil claims that
are not criminals. You don't that the liabilities, not jail
or prison for the rest of life. It's millions of dollars.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what happens with you know, another high profile case,
certainly of those along those lines was a Cosby. Right,
so here comes Cosby. But when you get and I
don't know, i'd say as a layman, I guess you
look at this and you see a person after person.
Now there's sixty four women with a similar story, So
it almost feels like, well, there you go.
Speaker 5: Well, the most dangerous adage is where there's smoke, there's fire, right, Yeah,
where there's smoke, there's well, must be right, yeah, must
be well, sixty people came forward. Well sixty people are
hoping to get a payday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I do. And I will say that when
I think that way, I always think, uh, oh do
does that make me not a bad person? But should
I not think that way? Because, like you want to
be empathetic, somebody had something done or believe something was
done to them in some fashion. Uh you know, I
have a past, a history of something happened to me
when I was a kid, and uh, you know, I've
never brought it up again. But for a long time,
you could write there was no statute of limitations I
think from New York State for a certain period of time.
Speaker 5: And they've extended it. Yeah, yeah, they made some changes.
Speaker 2: So you can go back and you can do that stuff.
And I go, I'm not sure what good comes of it.
You got to kind of live with it either way.
And so that's just I don't.
Speaker 5: Have any problem with advancing someone's harms. Okay, I have
no problem with that. I just have a problem with
making it unfair to defend yourself. Yeah right, I mean,
you can't go back thirty years. Sorry, but they are
and they do. Yeah, and so how will that ever
change is there energy? Well, actually, you know the I
think it's a New York Survivors actor. I think it's
lapsing now, so that now it's they gave a one
or two year open window. That's what retroactively ring cases
both civil and criminal go back retroactively for two years.
You could bring it right, But now that I think
that's lapsed, I want to say it lapsed in November
of last year. So now it's those rules extending the
statue limitations, which protects people from something coming up thirty
years later. They've changed it and now it's extended much
longer than it is than it was before.
Speaker 2: Okay, but what happens in these civil cases? Civil versus
criminal cases? So the civil cases, I think Diddy has
about one hundred and two against him, more coming and
more coming. So how do you how do you prove
that because or does it become a case of I
might as well jump on it as well. You were
at the party, could say something happened even though it didn't.
I don't know how you defend in those cases, do you?
Speaker 5: Well? I mean I think there's some well I think
his defense is going to have to be consensual, right,
I mean, they did have what was it, ten thousand jars,
So I mean it's not going to say it didn't
have something that was going on a slide, yeah, slipping slide.
But but then you know, was it forced coerced? You know,
the guys very very wealthy. Now he was a mover
and a shaker back then, ye as he was. He
was meteoric rise. You know, people want to be around that, right.
Speaker 2: They are attracted the attracted that not.
Speaker 5: Only because it's fun to be around perhaps in their mind,
but they may be able to get something. And you
got a young musician, you know what I mean. So
you have to look at somebody's motive to be with
them back then. And you know, I always say, why
don't you come forward a time a long time ago
while he threatened us with guns? Okay, well why a
you're coming forward now? Then how about this? You don't
want any money, right, this is just but you're asking
for millions of dollars.
Speaker 2: There's people that feel like there's safety in numbers, you
know what I mean. And I do wonder if sometimes
sometimes when you shine that light and one or two
come out, and then somebody else gets brave enough and
brave enough and more. I don't know. I just wonder
with the civil cases though, that seems is that even
harder to defend.
Speaker 5: Well, it's a lower standard of proof to be found by.
Speaker 2: It is a lower standard, much lower.
Speaker 5: And but I don't want this to the listeners here podcasts.
I'm not minimizing.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, it's a bad example. It's just an example.
Speaker 5: It could be anything. It just so happens that the
law is being tailored in a different way for those
types of cases. But any accusations that go back twenty
five years, that's very difficult to defend, right, very difficult
to defend things like how consistent were their statements throughout
the years. But again, that takes resources, right that most
people don't have. Most people don't have. So I'm left
with cross examining a witness who maybe spoke in the
grand jury six months ago, spoke to the police eight
months ago, looking for inconsistencies or things that don't make sense.
And you know, my other opinion is most people think
it happens when they're jurors, but no one really wants
to believe it because you have to trust your kids
and family with strangers all the time, all the time,
and I think that my experience has been that not
everyone wants to believe that it happened in this particular case. Yeah,
we know what happens, but not in this particular case.
And maybe it's because the defense reat does a wonderful
job of cross examining the witness and pointing out inconsistent
statements and a virgion of events that doesn't really make sense.
Maybe there's other people present within three feet away, things
like that, and then there's you know, there's counters to
that that the prosecution has. So those are difficult cases
to prosecute, they're difficult cases to defend.
Speaker 2: But if you're looking for a defense attorney, I would
say Steve is by far the best. And the great
thing is go to their website Circuit Law se r
CU law dot com and confidentially you can email absolutely right,
and so that way, you know, if you if you're
worried about somebody, I don't know I've ever seen your
phone and it's ringing and whatever, what's this number you got?
You got on the line of communication that can be
very very uh quiet.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we get we receive many email inquiries.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure because I would think that a lot
of people get a little nervous with just hey man,
where am I at with this? And I don't want
anybody to know? And could something happen here? And so
that sort of thing. Have you ever been brought in
by a team, let's say, a case you're not involved
in at all, but the prosecution to see how a
defense may go against them in a trial. I have
not had that to be a consultant. I didn't did
that just to get in the mind of the opponent,
so to speak.
Speaker 5: Not look at the prosecutors that I deal with are exceptional,
I'm sure, And I would say the following that a
great lawyer, whether it's a prosecute defense attorney in a
criminal setting or plaintiff defendant in a civil setting, right differences.
Plaintiff brings the action, defense will defend it in a civil.
Prosecution brings the action. Defense attorney will defend it in
the criminal You got to understand both sides of the game.
It's like a football game, right the offense has to
expect what the defense is going to do and vice versa.
And so most of the prosecutors I deal with that,
you know, we got younger proscuers that are learning, but
it doesn't take long for them to figure out, you know,
what's cirk you going to do? This is if these
are the issues, this is what I would point out.
And they picked that up prett dark quick, right they do.
And so it's a it's a game of cat and.
Speaker 1: Mouse at times.
Speaker 2: I don't know if anybody knows this, but I went
to buy a Creola A pack from my kid the
other day and there's Circu blue is in there? Now
that's it. There's like, that's Circu blue.
Speaker 5: This is Circu blue. Yeah, it's Circu blue, about fifteen different.
I just picked up a new one today, all custom made,
all customer.
Speaker 2: They look fantastic. Though they look like a million bucks.
Speaker 5: I think Bob bovi And is corat well, Bob Bovy.
Speaker 2: Tell me a little bit about Bob Bovian and Brighton.
Oh right, the personal training only in that are they
also doing physical therapy in a way they are? Okay,
They're over.
Speaker 5: At the corner of West Fall and Monroe in a
little office complex and I think there's an army's right
next to them or across the street. And so I've
known Bob for years what a great guy and just
extremely talented and begging me to come see him. Come on,
come on, get again, and I can fix your shoulders.
I can do this, and so I'll break down thirty
seconds or last finally broke down. Couldn't swing a golf club,
which made me miserable, couldn't lift my hands above my head,
and it made me miserable. Really affected my workouts. I
love the workout. It's one of my favorite ways to distress.
And it finally gets me in there in May first
of twenty twenty four, and inside of two weeks, I
was relatively pain free, getting some flexibility. And I was
telling you earlier off Mike that this week we started
a new it's like a four week program every four weeks,
so we switch up weights in different exercises. For the
first time in years, my shoulders became unfrozen to the
point where I could actually bench press. Wow, and not
just the wall, not just the uh, the bar.
Speaker 2: What is it that that gets Is it calcium deposits
in the song?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's a lot of an inflammation. The
muscles get tight because they are being used the wrong way,
and your mind is an unbelievable muscle. Your mind will
protect your body. So yeah, I had no scapular flection.
I couldn't move, my neck was off. It was like,
he said, you're an absolute mess. He blamed it on overtraining,
which is probably true. Only did that for like forty years.
And he's like, you do how much? And so we
work out. It's an hour a day, five days a week.
I got him right there with me, his son, Niki,
and all the crew over there are awesome. They watch
you like a hawk, and if you miss perform, they
fix it. I love it. I had my wife who's
been been too many personally, she loves it. We're there
at seven am, done by Yeah.
Speaker 2: I know, I'm with your day. Yeah, but it's kind
of nice having somebody see what you're doing and correcting
it in the moment because that bad habits right. It's
one of these things where I'm a great hout. I'm
going to the gym so many days week, but if
you're doing the exercise wrong, you could be doing more
harm to your body.
Speaker 5: Bodies taught me is very fragile. His term is inches
and angles. Yeah, and just by moving something three inches
this way, three inches that way, drop it down the angle. Hell,
he'll find the muscle and the way to work it.
So shameless plug for.
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then look, if you need a defense attorney, this is
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Circu blue. We're gonna make that a thing.
Speaker 5: I love it.
Speaker 2: I gotta make that a thing. All right, we're gonna
we'll take a moment. Danny and I will be back
and we'll be talking about a real life Groundhog's day.
Wait to hear what happened to this young girl while
in high school. Thanks Steve for coming in. It was
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Speaker 4: Armory, Alidnzan the audience slots Snowe's bathed and sweats.
Speaker 2: He hasn't lost the style since you brought it up earlier, Zanzabar.
I don't know what happened. Technically, we were on YouTube
and stuff, and then people were saying there's no sound.
I went and it does cut out. But I don't
know why there's nothing on our end. And now the
cameras aren't connecting to the software we use. I don't
know what.
Speaker 3: Yeah, things happen.
Speaker 1: Technology going on my thing.
Speaker 2: Well, the bad part is I wanted to talk about
this real life Groundhowk's day and there's a whole video
that I, uh, maybe I can pull it up some
other way, but I wanted to. I love being able
to show it on the screen. But imagine like having
a where you relive the same day every day. That's
not exactly the case here. But this girl in the Midwest,
she was part of the FFA. You'll know what the
FFA is. Okay, what is it? Oh? Maybe you don't.
Did they have it in Silver Creek? I wondered if
they have it?
Speaker 3: Hell, I don't think so.
Speaker 2: Future Farmers of America.
Speaker 5: No, they didn't have it.
Speaker 2: We had it, Okay, we had a whole agfare.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, yeah, okay, grape.
Speaker 2: My brother's cow went into heat started mounting other cows.
Speaker 3: Oh wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So this girl is at an f FA convention.
Some boy starts bodysurfing and they drop him and he
lands on her and she has what they believe is
a head injury, a concussion.
Speaker 1: Was this like forty first dates?
Speaker 2: Uh? No, not, well, I don't know, I really don't know. Okay,
So she goes to the doctor and they say, yeah,
you have a concussion, and you know, no big deal,
and they and they leave her. Well after that, I
think she had like thirty seizures or something. But she
would wake up every day thinking it was June eleventh
and she had to get ready for the day dance
that night, like she just kept reliving that, going right
back to that in her brain. And they finally took
her to a brain specialist and they found out I
don't know what they found out, but through therapy and
things which made me go. Should we all be doing therapy,
like like I'm talking about therapy, like where you sit
with a shrink. I mean therapy where you're I don't know,
talking about stuff here. This is what is. It's Riley's memory.
Let me see if I can play this. So this
is her I love.
Speaker 9: It, sitting on a quiet, enjoying lunch.
Speaker 2: I mean I have two things playing at once because
I'm a technolological taking a wizard day.
Speaker 1: There resisds a bar when you played it five minutes ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, nature, this.
Speaker 9: Has been Riley's routine for the last seven days.
Speaker 1: I will pack my things and live in the mountains.
Speaker 9: But if you ask Riley, it's the first time I
don't know where I'm at. This constant state of confusion
is Riley's reality.
Speaker 4: Like what happened?
Speaker 1: Like why am I here?
Speaker 10: Why are we in Utah?
Speaker 9: Three thousand, eight hundred and forty hours gone?
Speaker 1: When I try and look back at like not there,
there's nothing there.
Speaker 9: To understand Riley's story. We have to go back to
June eleven at ffa convention and danced in Springfield, Illinois, and.
Speaker 4: We went and we were like joining up with a
whole bunch of video.
Speaker 9: The kid crowdsurfing, he fell and landed on Riley. That's
when everything went dark.
Speaker 10: They took her straight to a hospital from the dance.
They released her and said she was fine.
Speaker 9: She wasn't.
Speaker 10: But then once we picked up Riley, she started having
seizures in our back seat, and obviously we knew something
was not okay.
Speaker 9: It was worse than they imagined. The sixteen year old
had become stuck in a loop of reset. It's like
I'm broken every two hours a fresh slate, and it's
just like, what like what happened through five months?
Speaker 10: He told us that she has a concussion and she'll
be about her in a couple of days.
Speaker 9: Five different hospitals and countless doctors.
Speaker 10: He looked me straight in the face and said, I
have no idea what's wrong with her?
Speaker 9: Riley?
Speaker 2: Like, and the thing is, here's the bad part. Was
shit with your head? You're nuts? What are you talking about?
You look normal, you look fine, You're fine, You're fine.
You don't have a fever, you're not puking. We're not
holding kids down enough vomiting animal like in Syracuse. That right,
So that's really kind of the Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's forty first dates.
Speaker 3: It's Drew Barrymore that whole situation where if you don't
know that the premise of forty first dates, Adam Sandler
is dating this woman who you know, her mother's gone,
Her father and her brother have to repaint her room
every day because she went and painted it the very
day that she had this accident, and she has to
go back and relive the same day over and over again. Well,
Adam Sandler falls in love with her, so he has
to reconvince her every day that he is who he
is until they eventually get married, and all this other stuff.
Speaker 1: But she has.
Speaker 3: She wakes up expecting to do the same thing, paint
her room, go to work this day, all this stuff.
Speaker 2: You're right, that's that's exactly what it is.
Speaker 9: You had turned into a medical anomaly.
Speaker 10: There's no plan for this. It's horrible.
Speaker 9: All the while, Riley's life had gone on without Riley.
Speaker 10: People see her as normal and nothing's wrong with her.
But I see that she's lost half of her junior
year of high school. She's lost her junior homecoming, she's
lost friends, she's lost her boyfriend.
Speaker 9: Life felt hopeless. I'm not the same Riley until one day.
Speaker 10: Her story went viral.
Speaker 4: Hope.
Speaker 10: You know, we've been through all this, We've seen all
these doctors, we've been to two different states, and now
we have somebody out in Utah that says they can
fix her. When we walk through those doors. I said,
those were the most important doors that she's ever going
to walk through, because it's gonna be her future back.
Speaker 9: Riley's mom called it the miracle in the Mountains. Everyone
else calls it cognitive effects.
Speaker 3: It's just basic science applied.
Speaker 2: So they do the scan of her brain and they
find this stuff and she's doing different therapies and remembering things.
Speaker 9: Here she is memories and I can move on from this.
And Riley, we're in Utah.
Speaker 2: She's waking up and her mom's asking her.
Speaker 9: You know, she gets her first memory.
Speaker 2: It's weird, right, Like we don't know enough about the
human brain, and it is something where you got this
healthy looking teenage kid and you go, Jesus Christ, they're
faking it. Remember when in Leroy when we were doing
radio they the Turets, Yeah, and you go.
Speaker 3: They thought they had pandas or pans disease.
Speaker 2: Yes or disorder psychosomatic. Was it real? Was it not?
And like these girls were probably thought of its crazy
or making it up.
Speaker 3: I don't know, all share the same locker room. They
thought there may have been leaks some toxin yea. And
all these people on le Roy had women, not guys.
Women had some form of turets and they thought, well,
this is crazy and they said it became pandas And
now we haven't heard of the disease in a long
we haven't.
Speaker 2: It all just sort of went and went away, right,
And so you think, is it? But like this, you
would look at this kid and go, you're you're fucking crazy.
Speaker 3: Right, because they look normal. They're not missing an arm, right,
they don't what I mean, like like you know, down
syndrome children have a look to them, you know, I
mean you someone with a disease who's withering was cancer
sometimes you could tell because of.
Speaker 1: Their hair is not there or what ever.
Speaker 3: But you don't notice anything when someone has mental illness.
Speaker 1: No, And that's what's what's I mean.
Speaker 3: That's the difficult thing.
Speaker 1: And this woman like she's lost the truck over.
Speaker 3: She's getting older, but she's not getting any other in terms.
Speaker 2: Every day she's getting up to get rid of everything.
Speaker 3: She's sixteen years old. This big ball.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be like four years. I mean it's almost like.
Speaker 2: Being it's like Alzheimer's in a way or something or dementia. Yeah, right,
all of a sudden you go back, Yeah, hey, tell
Bobby I'll be over by five point thirty to pick
him up. And don't be late. He's always running late
and everything. Bobby's been dead for ten years.
Speaker 3: Ye, Bobby doesn't show, where's Bobby?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: And your parents gotta explain this.
Speaker 3: Then eventually the parents aren't gonna be there to explain everything,
and whoever is there, let next, has to explain what
happened to the parents, what happened to Bobby, what happened
to all this other stuff? Yeah, I mean it's it's
freaking awful. And uh, it's so you know, it's funny
how like this is. This is the first time, like.
Speaker 1: You know, you see like they call predictive programming. I
doubt it's that, but you.
Speaker 3: See in a movie you're like, oh, thank god, that
could never happen, and then it happened.
Speaker 2: I know. This is the thing. Yeah, fell had somebody
you know, fallen her, gave her a concussion and that's it.
And I remember taking I I'm always very wary of
uh concussions after my son Jordan, had a couple of
concussions and I wound up taking him to an eye
specialist who specialized in concussions here in where we live.
And this woman's like, I can tell it's not healed
because the optic nerve is still damaged in the back.
And they'd give you therapies and different classes and all that,
and I go, there's no way that the NFL. You're
I mean, a concussion does damage every time, but there's
no way, right, Like, these guys are definitely not ready
because this was like months and months and she's like,
you gotta wait for those optic nerves.
Speaker 3: Justin Mornell is a great example. Justin moore No played
for the Minnesota Twins. He played here in Rochester. His
first game as a red wing, he hit a ball
four hundred and eighty feet foul, like it was amazing.
He almost hit the train. There was a foul ball,
and he got a concussion stealing second base.
Speaker 1: He was never the same. His career was pretty much
done at that moment, you know.
Speaker 3: And the same thing happened with Anthony Rizzo last year.
So his now teammate want Soto. It's a pickoff play.
Rizzo is a first baseman. He goes to catch the
ball and and Soto at the times play for the Potterys.
He accidentally needs him in the head. Right, here's the
best part. He goes out and continues to play with
the Yankees for a month and a half and he's
slumping and he can't hit the ball and nobody couldigure
out what's wrong.
Speaker 1: This is the New York Yankees.
Speaker 3: They have a medical staff, right, he had a concussion
the whole time and they never figured it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you look normal, right. Brain. It's like there's
so much stuff I think about the human body that's
being discovered now from DNA that is not coded in
your body that's there, and what goes on with it
and what is its purpose and all that stuff to
the stuff with the brain. I just thought this was
really kind of interesting that you would.
Speaker 3: I mean, everybody this week is talking about to a
tongue of Ilo coming back. Yeah, and he doesn't want
to wear a skull cap, and everybody's like, I wish
he just retired, and it's like it's his life. But yeah,
I can understand where you're coming from. But it is
his life, right and who knows if the concussion is
anything to do with the fact that he's made that decision.
You know what I'm saying in other words like has
he been doing so many times? Yeah, I'm fine, I'm
gonna go back out there.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: We don't know because there's so much we don't know
about this.
Speaker 2: It's crazy and this story is like amazing, and she's
going through so they have her doing these therapies and
memory games, and then they try to distract her, like
the guy's doing a hula hoop next to her or
playing music or while she's trying to you know, do
these buttons on there. And I went maybe, like this
shit is good for all of us to be doing.
Like I remember this, I especially saying we we you know,
your body will compensate for certain things, but your you know,
your eye you're not looking the right way. It will
affect your driving. If you you know, or you ever
see somebody where they turn their head and the wheel
goes with them, and they look a certain direction and
the wheel goes that way. That's something that shouldn't happen.
You should be able to turn your head and keep
your car here. But a lot of people do this
with and the hands go. That's something that they can
train you out of. But they have a whole name
for it. Yeah, and because so many people do m mcfuley.
Speaker 3: The wrestler who play Mankind right, Yeah, Okay. He says
that his spine is starting to curve. A doctor told
him though, that the reason why, ope, your head's always
going to be up is because your eyes have to
be up at all times according to nature. So that's
why your spine curves, but your head still stays up. Yeah,
you're gonna say, well, howcke You don't just look straight
down because your eyes are always focused up. So that's
why your body curves the way it does and your
head's up and you have this awkward question mark looking position.
As you age, when the more spinal injuries that you
have and osteoporosis and everything else.
Speaker 2: You gotta start stretching, baby, Yeah, start stretcher.
Speaker 1: Or we're trying to use a what I call it
gravity What is it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, the anti gravity thing.
Speaker 1: Or yeah, the table, the gravity table.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll take a moment. We're going to try to
get Peter Montmurno to join us. He may be on
the phone. I don't know. We'll see our software reset.
I can't figure this out. But things in the NFL
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Is this a concerning thing? And are the Raiders barking
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Peter Monto is joining us?
Speaker 1: Did Peter Tosh died before or after Bob Marley.
Speaker 2: Uh after after Peter Tosha's sister, I believe lives in Canadagua.
Oh wowka, Peter Montemerno is on the line, and uh, Peter,
I apologize for whatever technical difficulty. We normally can get
on the screen and we could see your handsome face
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I had a kick hair and makeup out.
Speaker 2: But I'm sorry about that. In their union too. Anyway,
I had a fall.
Speaker 8: I had to pay them fall.
Speaker 2: The lighting and all that stuff. Uh So, Peter, last week,
let's just take real quick. Did at any point when
they were down ten nothing and it looked pretty ugly,
did you ever doubt that they were going to come
back and pull it all together and kick the ship
out of Tennessee.
Speaker 8: I didn't think it was gonna be a kick the
sh out of it. I knew that I thought they
were going to pull it out, but I didn't think
it was going to be the difference you saw on
the score. Everything you saw in the first half was
just folly. It was like JV you know, what do
you think?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 8: It was than anything that the Titans were doing, that's
for sure. I mean the Bills were beating themselves a
little bit. I mean there's a lot of I don't know,
it's just it seemed like they, uh that were ready.
It was just it's just I don't want to say
I'm prepared. It was just they were going through the motions.
That's what it felt like. You know, speaking of motion,
the thing that I was calling for during the first half,
every time that they come up to the ball and
Josh is going through the cadence, whether he's under center
or whether he's in the shotgun, there was not a
lot of three snap motion. And that is important with
an offense like the Bills have. So you want to
you want to get their defense out of their game.
You mess with the eye discipline of the linebackers and
the cornerbacks and all those in the d linemen. And
it wasn't happening. But then I watched a little bit
of film and sometimes there's some subtle things that you see, uh,
that you see on the film that you don't see
h during the live game. They're like, okay that you know,
I consider that three snap movement and any type of
movement is going to make someone you know, second guess
or think or have to switch responsibilities and things of
that nature. So uh, you know, it's just to me
going through the motions, Bill, I wasn't I wasn't particularly
fond of what was happening in the first half, but
they did pull together, and you know, you look at
that one drop that Monti Cooper had in the first
you know, the first drop he had that would have
extended the drive. Who knows what had happened after that,
but just started off or nobody was on the same page.
Speaker 2: Did you were you impressed with the Marik Cooper stuff
that went on as as time went I on in
the game?
Speaker 8: I did? I did? I liked it? You know, what
does he know? How are you going to read up up?
How are you going to get you know, comfortable with
the playbook in that short amount of time without actually
having live reps and full speed reps and all those
types of things in practice, you can only do so
much in practice now as what the CBA does, and
I have a whole theory about what how the CVA
is in football. But anyway, I think he did real
good and I think Josh Allen's touchdown throw to him
was fantastic. And I watched the replay. On the television replay,
they did not get into how amazing that throw was
and why it was. When you look on the film,
man Allen is really good and delivering that football. And
there's a reason why I can definitely talk about it
as we go through.
Speaker 2: This is uh. I mean, it's kind of an exciting time.
Look would you see.
Speaker 3: On the touchdown, we're like where her body? Tour looks
the body tor Abotie Cooper looks at who's been in
the league maybe five minutes?
Speaker 1: Hey what do I do?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And he points it just runs just run straight, boom that.
Speaker 8: Lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 8: And the and the best part of that uh play
for Allen was that they had Titan said they have
a safety right, so it cover zero no safety in
the middle of the field, so everybody is in man coverage.
And what the defense did They were trying to abate
Allen to throw one of his rockets through the mid
piss missiles through the middle of the field. Well, what
they did was they dropped their defensive line, a couple
of them back to the middle of the field. So
you think your D line is thinking to be in
the middle of the field. So they brought some backers
and they dropped the d lineman in the middle of
the field, messing with Allen's eide discipline. But he saw
it and he floated that ball to Cooper. If he
fires it, yeah, that's an interception that he's The timing
on that throw was excellent by Alan excellent.
Speaker 2: It's amazing because I feel like the AFC now, I
don't know that I thought this seven weeks ago or whatever,
five weeks or six weeks ageld that that they may
be the toughest division. Again. We had the NFC was
pretty impressive in the first couple of games, but I
was like, damn, man, now you've got uh you had
the trade with the Mark right, but now DeAndre Hopkins
going to the Chiefs and the Chiefs are undefeated as
it is. I don't know if this makes them significantly
better or not. They seem to be a pretty good
defensive team, but this seems to be able to sort
of keep their defense off the field a little bit.
And DeAndre Hopkins as I was watching, I said to somebody,
as we're watching the game, man, there's DeAndre Hopkins. They go,
what he's on the Titans? Like people didn't even remember? Yeah,
people forgot, Yeah, and he was You never heard his name.
You didn't hear his name in Buffalo, not much.
Speaker 8: So I don't know what that case. Game Mahomes did
not have. The offense does not have a good game.
Mahomes didn't have a good game, no at all. It
was you have to highlight that thirty yard run. I
still don't know how he got out of it.
Speaker 3: The linebacker was afraid to hit him because if you
hit Mahomes or you get flagged.
Speaker 2: Some people call them that an absolute trash play.
Speaker 3: Travesty Twight Freedi went off about him on his podcast.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's you know, that was the one
play he had, the one highlight. But he had bad interceptions,
He wasn't seeing the field well and yeah, he did
not look good. So the defense is running that Kansas
City team right now that their defense is winning football games,
and that's the biggest difference. Deandrew Hopkins will make them
a little better, sure, but I don't know if it's
going to be this drastic change. They're already six and zero.
He has to distribute the football. It's just one guy,
you know. I hate sounding like McDermott, but it is
just one guy. Although he is great, he is just
one eleventh.
Speaker 2: So we saw one guy go to the Jets, and
the Jets they were better, but they didn't win. Right,
DeVante Adams, Right, what we're you gonna say?
Speaker 8: Go ahead?
Speaker 1: No, go ahead?
Speaker 11: Perot Well with the Jets, I mean that that article
that came out in the Post this week about Aaron
Rodgers saying the team has to summon its darkest anger
to get over these.
Speaker 8: Anger issues, or they have to summon their darkest place
to get over these anger issues. I actually just looked
at the headline. I'm like, I'm not wasting time reading it.
So I don't know what Batman.
Speaker 2: Well, there's something going Yeah, it sounds like they've they've
got it their dysfunctional in.
Speaker 3: My darkness retreat, I learned you know, you know, you
have to make yourself angry. So dan Orlosky tweeted this
out today, and you know, we have these advanced stats.
Everything appro like more stats now that we've ever had before,
even five ten years ago.
Speaker 1: Pete right so Orlosky tweets this out.
Speaker 3: This is pretty poignant because biggest question for me with
the hop addition to Casey, how quickly Patrick Mahomes gets
comfortable with throwing into a covered guy to make sure
d Hop gets his one on one chances.
Speaker 2: And here's what.
Speaker 3: Here's the stat throwing into tight windows this season attempts
per game two point one by Mahomes.
Speaker 1: That's last in the NFL.
Speaker 3: Completion percentage fifteen percent, that's thirtieth. So you know, in
other words, like you know, de Hop's gonna want the ball,
but he's not getting separation and if he even if
he so, are you gonna go to a war?
Speaker 2: Are you so?
Speaker 1: Are you gonna throw to this dude?
Speaker 11: Are you?
Speaker 3: Are you gonna throw the double coverage of somebody else
if he's, if he's, if it's too tight?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say that too. But is DeAndre Hopkins
one of these divas that get me the ball?
Speaker 3: Yeah? He's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's gonna be one of the yea, yeah, I
want the ball.
Speaker 3: I mean, when when a receiver has been on multiple teams.
You know, I'm not talking to like Tyreek Kell right now.
It's suffering in Miami because no one's getting him the football.
I could feel for that guy. I don't love him
as a person off the field. On the field, though,
I understand what he's going through. De Hop is now
on what his fourth team. He's been on Houston, He's
been in Arizona, Tennessee, and like, by the way, he
was al the last year and nobody wanted them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought for sure the Bills were going to
take him. Yeah I did.
Speaker 1: They didn't want him no, like even though.
Speaker 3: Dell Beckham junior, well he had the injury, but still
he was like he was going from place to place
because he could be a pain in the neck, you know.
So these were Now look at Stefan Diggs, right, he's
on his third team. He was causing problems last week
in Green Bay before the game, during the game, Well.
Speaker 2: That whole thing, like I don't know what it never
said what that was, but he it was, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 8: I think it was with the d back in Green Bay.
What's his name, DeAndre?
Speaker 3: Not?
Speaker 8: Oh goodness, anyway, then his name will come to me.
But it felt like it started between him and the
Dbacco there.
Speaker 11: My tongue, Well it started wire Alexander Alexander.
Speaker 2: What what what it was said to cause this? I
don't know. But he said afterwards, I don't give a fuck.
I'm not going to be the bigger man.
Speaker 1: I'm never the bigger man, never the bigger man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm never the bigger man.
Speaker 3: We're all like, yeah, we know, Oh.
Speaker 2: My gosh, we all know. Yeah, I'm never the bigger man.
And I'm not for this tough this football tough guy bullshit. Okay,
So I don't know what that means. And uh, they
want to, you know, basically fuck around. I'm gonna I'm
gonna show up. So I don't know if something was said.
Now I thought there was a rumor there is. There
is a rumor. There's a rumor about him drugging somebody.
Speaker 3: Trying to drug a dude and the dude kind of like,
you know, you snapped out of it, and he's like
like like like as if stephan On Diggs wants to
like get with this guy and he prevented it from happening.
Speaker 2: And people were wondering if that was mentioned on the
field to him and that's what set him off. But
then you've got the I don't think the head coach
of the Texans tolerates that kind of ship.
Speaker 1: Ryan's I don't think so, and he said, ry have receivers.
I don't need you.
Speaker 2: Well, he said right after the the incident, his side
of it was, this isn't what we do. We don't chirp,
we you know, take it out on the field. That's
how we play whatever, you know, what a coach you
would expect to coaches say. But the other thing is
they're not scoring as many points. Look, you can say
maybe the people defenses have figure them out. C J.
Stroud is in his sophomore season now, right, so you know,
maybe there's some of that stuff. But they're saying he's
they're scoring less and throwing for shorter discards and distances.
Speaker 1: If you look at the Home of Stats this year,
they're not that good.
Speaker 2: Well, this is Stroud we're talking about. But you know, sorry,
that's okay, it's just Stroud. That's what you meant, okay,
because Stroud is the quarterback for the Texas, And I
go okay, And they're sort of saying, like, I guess
that Stefan hasn't had the impact expected. I don't know.
In other words, are they having buyers remorse.
Speaker 8: That he may have been to too many t didty
parties with the whole drug thing. Hear that one. Wow,
that's I don't know if one, but yeah, that's the story.
But yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 8: Again, he's not sitting the world on fire. And his
game is declined. I don't think it's just a quarterback.
You know, we learned that in Buffalo. I think his
game is just declined. I think he lost the step
I don't know, he's just not the the overtime catching
Minnesota to beat the Saints type of digs anymore. I
don't think so.
Speaker 3: By the way, that was like six years five, six
years ago exactly, I mean that that was a long
time ago. I mean, Stephan, he's getting older. I mean
the second half of last year he wasn't getting open.
Speaker 1: That's not my fault. That's just the way things are going,
really really, Steph.
Speaker 3: So when you get your chance in that playoff game,
the ball hits him in the hands and he looks
back at Alan, at the guy he's ripped on a
year earlier in that spot, and he holds his fingers
and close time ago. Time to go, Steph. Now you
got Cooper, who's a consummate professional. You know, everybody like
raves about what a pro this guy is. You know,
we'll see it unfold. It's only but one game. But
I mean, I think the Bills at at the very least,
are at least equal to what they were last year.
With Stefon Diggs in the saddle. They might be a
little bit better because if you remember last couple of years,
they had to break John Brown and Cole Beasley back
like basically out of retirement to come play wide receiver.
At least, now you got Coleman, he's young. You got
Dalton Kincaid's a big ten who. By the way, Peter
had a nice game with Cooper there in the lineup too.
So I mean, if those are your two targets and.
Speaker 1: Then you got Coleman on the other side, this guy's
the limit.
Speaker 3: Now things have changed.
Speaker 8: I'll take it. I'll take it they're getting more Coman's
getting more confidence, you know, his first year, and that's
getting way more confidence with that receiver command that was him.
I'd be like, my god, I mean, playing with a
guy named Cooper, who could teach me, you know, one
of the great fun just the little intricacies that matter
so much in games. And then you got Kinka, who's
going to be in a different spot now with Cooper
out there in terms of getting open and now you
force the defense. What are we going to play here?
How are we going to do? He's own up on Cooper.
Do we man him up? It's going to be, you know,
the whole scheme changes. Yes, it's only one guy. If
that one guy can change a lot of schemes, and uh,
you know, well we can't. I hate comparing to Kansas City,
but Andy Reeve is going to finally get the most
he can out of DeAndre Hopkins. He's going to we
just see it whenever. You know, it's almost like a
plug and play.
Speaker 2: But I'm laughing at you. I have thoughts, well because
I wish this is why I wish Peter was on camera,
because he could see you, Danny. Danny gets all excited,
he gets all wound up, and he starts waving his
finger like and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's to Peter's point.
Speaker 2: I know. It's always when Danny's podcast Peter's point, and
he's always going wait, wait, one more thing I just
made me laugh.
Speaker 3: Well no, because okay, so take sure, yeah, I know right.
So they're playing they're playing Seattle this week. It's sales
run defense. Ain't that good? It's it's just not And
I said to Peter last week via text, you know,
once they grabbed you know Mark Cooper, you like, Okay,
So you have Cooper and you have Coleman, right, and
you also you also have a tight end that everybody
seems to forget because he has become forgettable. And that's
Dawson Knox and you're paying him an awful lot of
money to catch every other pass thrown to him, which he,
of course is still on pace doing. But can you imagine, Peter,
you have a rotation of running backs. Now you got
three solid running backs. You have Cook Davis has really emerged.
Speaker 1: Tim Jackson has.
Speaker 3: Been able to come out of the backfield and catch balls,
and he's able to spell these guys too. Now can
you imagine if they ran an offense with two tight
ends and two super wide receivers and then one of
those three in the backfield going up against Seattle. You
don't know, Seattle's gonna be like, what are they gonna do.
They're gonna throw here. They're gonna because you could throw
a four different guys. You could stay in and block
and run the ball either way. I mean, I mean,
if Dawson Knox could catch the ball consistently, they have
the best offense in the league hands down.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah. And I think Davis and No, No, he's a
guy that I mean, he's not gonna let up. This
guy just looks for contact, likes to run through, loves physicality.
You know, he's the Northwest guy, is the North South guy.
He's an East West guy, and that's the kind of
guy you need in that kind of offense. I think
he's not three down back, but man, he packs a
punch and you're not gonna be able to as as
tiny as he is in terms of height, you can't
take him down with with just by our tackle. He
is really fierce. He's going to be getting better and
better each week. I'm really happy that guy. They don't
after that guy.
Speaker 2: It's amazing. And I know that we can talk about
certain GMS, and maybe the GM for Kansas City is
maybe the best. I have no idea.
Speaker 3: I think it's Rosemen, not a Philadelphia to be honest
with you.
Speaker 2: But I'm watching. I mean, Bean is right there. He's
done some amazing moves, especially the drafts. Right when we're
talking about two guys that they drafted that are getting
better and better that Davis is like, I think he's.
Speaker 3: Done relatively well. And Peter, you might want to weigh
on this too. I think he's done relatively well at
certain positions. And in other words, he sucked like a
wide receiver, he has a He's Coleman's the first real
wide receiver he's drafted.
Speaker 1: He insecure, right.
Speaker 3: Yes, he drafted Isaiah Hodgins, who isn't even I don't
even know if he's playing right now. They haven't really
succeeded drafting, you know, any other position now. The Bills
have been in position where they're drafting later, so it's
harder to find, you know, those skill positioned players. But
you gotta remember Stephan Diggs was actually a third or
fourth round pick or something like that.
Speaker 1: So they it can be done.
Speaker 3: Gabe Davis was a fourth round pick, you know, but
they haven't succeeded it.
Speaker 1: They've succeeded at sub positions and not others. I don't know, Pete,
what do you think.
Speaker 8: I mean, yeah, I mean they haven't hit on everything,
you know, And I always say that with the draft,
you gotta wait for three years. You got to wait
for three years to see how that draft three years
ago actually was. But yeah, I mean, so far there
have been some misses, completenesses. But then you know, he's
done good in the trade market, and I have to
get that he's done good in the trade market. And
are they done?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 8: I think there's still need someone defensively with all the
injuries that they have. Again, I don't know is Molano
coming back? Are they saying he's coming back, is he
progressing to come back, or is he out for the year.
Speaker 3: So I forgot who it was that there's a there's
a reporter from Fox saying the Bills we're looking around
the league for a tight end and a linebacker. And
I don't know if that spells that Mlonald's going to
come back or not going to come back.
Speaker 1: But if he does come back, it'll probably be December.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I mean, yeah, but if the guy gets
hurt like early in the season, he's out like last year,
would you rather get him.
Speaker 1: Hurt like early in the year like he did, and
then get him back late.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean if he's but as long as there's
not too much rust, right.
Speaker 3: I mean he could he Yeah, he could theoretically come
back and just not be that good. Peop already talk
about put him in the starting position.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, can he still go?
Speaker 2: Peter Wood?
Speaker 8: And I think that he looked for a safety too.
I don't. I don't think ham When I love the
Hamlin story, everybody does. It's real, but from a you know,
just from a football standpoint, I don't think he's just
starting safety in this in the NFL. Yes, he had
a he had an interception to give him that he's
too he's in the right spot. Well, yeah, he had
wanted to pastay.
Speaker 3: To this to this season, but he's the right place
at the time. Now people would say, oh, yeah, that's fantastical. No,
I mean according to the tape guys, they're all saying
he's playing solid football.
Speaker 1: Like he's making tackles.
Speaker 3: But like that one play against the Jets, if Taylor,
if Tyler Rapp doesn't show up and hit the receiver,
I think lazarn on that play, that's a touchdown.
Speaker 5: Hamone.
Speaker 1: Does it get to him in time.
Speaker 8: Yeah, the angles he's taken aren't great. And and you know,
I look at it where look at all these pieces
they're going to be put together. I'm glad the trade
deadline is when it is they got. I'm glad they
got Cooper when they did, because after this WEEKLI obviously
got Miami and the Colts, but then you got a
string of Casey, San Francisco, the Rams in Detroit. I mean,
my got going into four games in a row, mixing
a bye week in the middle of there. But man,
they got to be on all cylinders for those games.
They really do. And I know San Francisco is hurt,
but that's in December. People are gonna get healthy by them.
Speaker 3: I think they can win them all. But yeah, because
I think here here's the thing. They played down.
Speaker 1: They have a history of. They played down against Tennessee
in the first half.
Speaker 3: And by the way, if Tennessee doesn't execute that fourth
and one to start the second half, you know you,
I mean, they had a first down on that second down,
They may have had a first down on first down.
Speaker 1: They didn't give it to him.
Speaker 3: It was a horrible spot.
Speaker 1: And they took a chance.
Speaker 3: They threw the ball in second down didn't work, and
third down, and then all of a sudden they go
for a fourth down and they ran a running play
into the Bills defense and they stopped him. The Bills
score and then the wheels came off. That was the
turning point. But if they get that there, they might
drive down the field.
Speaker 2: Score.
Speaker 1: We got a different ball game, So the.
Speaker 3: Bill's got to stop they And by the way, they
won the toss and took the ball.
Speaker 1: Buffalo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, usually.
Speaker 3: They won the toss and took the ball. They gotta
stop playing down. I don't think they'll play down at Seattle.
I don't think I think they could play down against Indianapolis.
They won't play down against Kansas City. They won't play
down against San Francisco. But you know, anybody could sneak
in there if they're not, if they don't have their
a game.
Speaker 2: How do you like him against Seattle?
Speaker 8: Peter, I like him against Seattle. I got momentum coming
out of this game. Uh yeah, I don't know Seattle.
I feel like they're conundrum. It's hard to play in
that building they are. I was there once to watch
the game of My God, it's the loudest building I've
ever outdoor, outdoor venue, I've ever been out loudest. Yeah
it was years ago, but still loudst it was. You know,
the fans are right on top of you. But they
got momentum going into that game. He got another week
with Cooper learning to playbook and getting roughs in practice
with the number ones. They have momentum, They have themnum
and you know we'll see I like them, I like
them in a close game. You know, looking at the
schedule again, Bill, you guys you know it. Detroit's a
four twenty five game on December fifteenth. If both of
these teams keep playing what they're playing, how could you
not flex that game to a national game?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, I don't know how.
Speaker 1: You know, revenge from that Thanksgiving game that they lost?
Speaker 2: You got it?
Speaker 8: Oh sure? Oh sure? By the ways, could catch Diggs
made whole u catch he made.
Speaker 3: But Jared Goff has more touchdowns than incompletions this year?
Can you believe that they like they have? They have
the best offense of the NFL. And it's funny because
last year in the playoffs it was golf versus versus Stafford.
Stafford used to play for the Lions. Golf played for
the Rams. And you know, McVeigh, the head coach of the Rams,
didn'tant anything to do with Goff.
Speaker 1: He'd written him off. I've done all I can with
these guys.
Speaker 3: I've done. He trades them off, He gets Stafford, he
wins the Super Bowl, Golf gets his revenge.
Speaker 1: Golf looks like the best quarterback of the league.
Speaker 2: Right now, here's a number one overall pick and he
again and yes they were. But he goes back to
coaching and being in the right system. And I'll tell you, man,
they got it going on.
Speaker 1: Well, Ben Johnson's gonna be a head coach next year somewhere.
Speaker 2: Now, I mean, the.
Speaker 3: Question is, well, yeah, we know that's not gonna happen,
but yeah, I know.
Speaker 2: I meanja about.
Speaker 3: McDermott, like saying after the game, the first thing he says, right, well,
that's what happens when you play complimentary football. Like shut up, Sean,
they didn't play complimentary football.
Speaker 2: Oh boy, well, Peter, you.
Speaker 8: Pay half football half a football. Yeah, my pleasure will
always always a pleasure, always, Like when you.
Speaker 2: Asked me to come on, I apologize for the technical
I was going to thank you for suffering through them
with us. And uh, but everybody's picking. See everybody's picking.
See everybody's picking the bills in Seattle.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that's that's the right move. And and uh,
throw this out to here earlier bill. You know we
got down here in Charlotte. My neighbor built the abbots
opening abbots down here in Charlotte.
Speaker 2: Oh wow.
Speaker 8: And uh, and you guys want to come down the
winter do the show from Abbots. We will make that happen.
Speaker 2: Let's do it, well, let's do it. That would be fun. Yes,
that would be a blast. Charlotte's great city to fun city.
Speaker 1: One of our friends, our old buddies.
Speaker 2: You can go see you can go see him. I
I don't think you'd want to see me. Although I
helped him get the job. I know you did give
me one. He does because I called him and told.
Speaker 3: Him, Oh, did you all right?
Speaker 2: Three words that describe the guy. That's what they said,
built a wid I said, determined to win, Oh, determined
to win Ford tough. I didn't know what to say.
I was gonna go giant fucking pussy, but I didn't
say that. I didn't do so one ran through my
head first, and then I did I didn't say that,
and then I jet the other I.
Speaker 1: Think that was good on me.
Speaker 8: Thirty twenty seven.
Speaker 2: I was thinking something like a thirty five Buffalo and
I don't know, seventeen is what I had, Seattle lest
all right, yeah, what do you got, Danny.
Speaker 3: I think Buffalo's gonna win this one, like twenty seven
to thirteen, twenty seven thirteen. I mean, let's be let's
be honest. I mean, if you lose to Gino Smith,
that's like losing to EJ. Manual. I'm not kidding. EJ
was taken before Gino. Gino just kind of EJ just
kind of walked away from football. I'm not gonna try
doing the backup quarterback thing.
Speaker 1: I think I'm.
Speaker 3: Done, whereas Gino just kind of stuck stuck around, yeah
and hung out.
Speaker 2: And I'll see his moments. He has flashes.
Speaker 3: I mean, they got they got him to play where
he needs to play.
Speaker 2: Yeah. All right, well, Peter, thank you again, and we
will talk to him maybe hopefully next week, and we'll
see how our predictions do and uh, how the Bills
continue their momentum. I like it.
Speaker 8: I'll cook forward to it all right, thanks bro.
Speaker 2: There we go. All we gotta figure out these technical
issues after this. The hell, but we'll get back on there.
I like our new software. I like being on all
those different platforms. Yeah the heck, crazy crazy Danny crazy
Yankees start the World Series on Friday, Friday night, Friday night. Yeah,
this is a big one.
Speaker 4: Dan.
Speaker 1: My wife's like, oh joy, that's all right, all right.
Speaker 2: For Dan Barilla, who says college helped him learn to
write better, better, better. Uh, and I think it helped
a critical thing. I'm Bill Moran. We'll see you tomorrow.
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