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Speaker 1: When your old career gives you lemons throwing some ice

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mix in some vodka.

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Speaker 2: He call it a podcast from the Mac of All

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Trade studio in Fairport and driven by Victor Chrysler Dots

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Jeep Ram. It's Billified, the Bill Moran Podcast. Well, hello

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and welcome. Thank you for getting your pun on, Thanks

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for telling her friend and spreading the word about Billified.

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Dating's in the house, got his Mac of All Trades

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hat on and actually brought in a hammer of store.

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It's a massage gun. Yeah, I was very kind to you.

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Speaker 3: Well, I know Jamison's on the you know, he could

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be on the injury list for a while, so I

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want to make sure he's up and ready to go

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for basketball seasons.

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Speaker 2: So we want to work out the kinks, working out

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the kinks the way we like it. No, it's funny

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with all the stuff that goes on with D one

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athletes and you know, the nil deals and the trades

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and switching schools and all this.

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Speaker 3: Eight hundred different athletes switch schools last year. Can you

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believe that?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Well, I mean Syracuse football team certainly benefited from that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're good now, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean they really are, right, They got guys who are

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pretty good free to have it forty fours. Yeah. Well,

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see the thing is like you've got a free to

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have a forty fours, which is a bar down there.

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No what I'm thinking, you're getting that tuition paid for.

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I saw something.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they care about that.

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Speaker 2: They may not. Some might, they may not.

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Speaker 3: That's what the one dude's like the third string tackle

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who like it's going to become a doctor.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he'll care about that. Yeah, But the rest of

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them are like, I'm just give you my money.

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Speaker 2: Uh, there's something. The common app came out back in

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nineteen ninety eight.

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Speaker 1: When did you go to Fisher from ninety eight to

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two thousand and two?

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you had just been after the common app. Well,

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the common app does it's applying to multiple schools at once.

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Oh okay, so you send out kind of one thing

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and they all take take the.

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Speaker 1: Thing, so kind of like a resume.

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Speaker 2: Really yeah, in a sense, that's a great point. So

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I was reading this and I said. Stacker used the

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most recent data from the National Center for Education Statistics

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to rank the twenty five hardest colleges to get into

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across the United States and they're ranked by the twenty

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twenty two acceptance rates and supplementary test score. Data is

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included where available. Ranked colleges. So the bottom number twenty

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five school I'm not familiar with. Maybe you've heard of

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it Barnard College in New York City.

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Speaker 3: No, never heard of it.

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Speaker 2: Acceptance rate is eight point eight percent. They get twelve

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thousand nine applicants and they only admitted one fifty six.

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Speaker 1: Have never heard anybody on a TV show. You won't

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get into Barnard, right, Yeah, it's the matter with you.

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Speaker 2: What do you think the median SAT score, which is

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not the average median is different than average. It's like

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right the middle, yeah, yeah, the middle, the middle of

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the middle. Yes, what do you think the middle SAT

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score would be for that school? Umm?

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be a curve ball, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm thinking unless the SAT scores changed.

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Speaker 3: Well, now they're out of twenty four hundred points. When

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you and I were going to school, they were sixteen hundred.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's right, All right, Okay, then then this makes

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Speaker 1: So it makes me would it be like uh, fifteen hundred.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fifteen oh five is right in the middle.

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Speaker 3: Because there was there was matthe and verbal when you

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and I went to school, then there was a writing portion.

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Speaker 2: Yes, they added, Okay, I didn't know that. Uh. Rice

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University in Houston comes in number twenty four the top

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three hardest schools to get into in the country, and

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he guesses as to what will be in the top three. Daniel, Well, Harvard,

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Harvard is number two.

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Speaker 3: Is an easy one.

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Speaker 2: Harvard is number two. Median SAT score fifteen to fifty. Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: The writing portion. I think I could be s by way.

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Speaker 3: Like you or me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to see what are you writing about?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, acceptance rate there is three point two percent. Okay,

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any others in their top Harvard number two?

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Speaker 3: Massachusetts Institute of Technology MIT Is that up there?

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Speaker 2: No, but there is an Institute of Technology. But you're

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just on the wrong coast.

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Speaker 3: Okay, it's not orit then if I'm on the wrong coast, Yeah,

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is it somewhere in California.

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Speaker 2: It's the California Institute of Technology. The hardest to get

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into median SAT score is fifteen fifty. I've never heard

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of c ME, neither three point two percent acceptance rate.

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Speaker 2: And they admit just under two thousand and have a

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total enrollment they say one six hundred and forty six.

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So there must be a bunch of people who don't

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go those who are admitted. I don't I don't understand

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because the emission rate is higher than what I would

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think is the total enrollment, but I don't know if

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that's enrollment per class. And then Stanford was number three.

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Speaker 3: Tougher to get into than Princeton or Yale.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're on there, Oh, sure they are, but

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they're on their Stanford's because it's on the West coast

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and Palo Alto. Well, I was thinking about this chic Yes, yes,

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produced Zuckerberg. So I was thinking about Barry Bonds's muscles.

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All this stuff with colleges, because colleges are actually up

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by two point four percent in enrollment in twenty twenty

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four according to data, and I always think college is

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a privilege, and can you think about I think a

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great learning experience, like overall in life, just a great

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learning experience. But I thought, how do you think college

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benefited you? Because these are the hardest schools to get into,

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but there are other schools and you noticed Saint John

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Fisher not on the hardest list.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think college benefited me by well, it taught

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me the proper way to write as far as the

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academic is academics are concerned. It really clicked and clicked

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for me, and how to write at Fisher right, and

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to have a love for writing, because if you don't

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have a love for right, a love for the written word,

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you're not going to get good at it.

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Speaker 1: You're not going to care right.

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Speaker 3: As far as academics go, and looking at things, you know,

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from different perspectives, you know, as far as college as

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a whole, I think it prepared me because it got

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me out of a little Silver Creek, New York and

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got me to understand people differently, Like not everybody thinks

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the way you and your twelve friends think back home,

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you know, not even close.

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Speaker 1: There's all kinds of different perspectives.

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Speaker 2: Not even like in Pine Plains, Pine Plans, Silver Creek.

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I think you could swap them out right.

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Speaker 3: Like I did not know one single person that tipped

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a cow at s Fisher University to.

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Speaker 2: Still say it can't happen.

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Speaker 3: I still we never We never tipped any either.

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Speaker 2: But I I think it's a myth. I don't think

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you can do it. And everybody tells me I'm full

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of shit. Nah we did it, we did it.

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Speaker 1: I go, Okay, really, you actually wasted the time to.

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Speaker 2: Go Yeah, we tried. I'm not telling you that. I'm

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telling you we tried. I think it's.

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Speaker 1: Impossible telling me what you want to get between the

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utter and the two on two.

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Speaker 3: Uh, but I think like it kind of like got

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me to understand, you know that, like how other people

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can think and you the one thing about being a

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freshman is that that they don't tell you this. And

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I actually when I mentored some freshmen, I wrote them

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in my letter, hey listen, freshmen love to argue, so

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be ready because in my freshman class, everybody on halfy

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five love to treat everything.

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Speaker 1: As a debate.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, like they just play Devil's advocate and then

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we just have the end.

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Speaker 1: I'm like what the hell is withold these people?

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Speaker 3: It was just everyone to show off their intellect, even

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though they couldn't get like a two in class. But man,

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when it came to like drinking and and and and talking, man,

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they were they were brilliant. They were they were like

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the world's greatest philosophers.

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Speaker 2: Just to ask them, well, there you go. I was thinking,

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like I actually wrote. I wrote out an answer for

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this because I asked myself the question, how do you

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think college benefited you?

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Speaker 1: We should ask ai what they think?

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Speaker 2: Well, because I think that people often will go, well,

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is it worth it or not worth it? It is a

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huge expense, And I was surprised to see that enrollment's

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up a little bit. But I said, I believe college

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instilled within me a genuine appreciation for knowledge, like it

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just a and learning for its own sake, rather than

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any kind of means to an end, just to have

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the knowledge. It's kind of nice to know things or

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be able to figure things out. I said. It fostered

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a deep respect for the learning process itself and a

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kind of intellectual pedigree, which I go, that's kind of

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a that's kind of a snobby thing to say, But

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there is an intellectual pedigree. I think, oh yeah, bit.

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Speaker 3: I mean, think about it, like, if you know anybody

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who Let's put this way, if you probably know about

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ten people in your life, let's say that didn't go

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to college, and maybe three of two or three of

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them have done really well for themselves, exceptionally well. The

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middle group is probably done relatively well okay, and the

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bottom group is you know, still living with their parents,

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are doing whatever. But you could tell in conversation what

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they talk about, what they think about the difference between

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those types and people who you went to college with.

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Speaker 1: There's like a difference.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying one smarter than the other, but there's

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a difference in their conversations and the things that they

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care about.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is what I'm saying. And the ability to

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apply all that knowledge in a meaningful way, to think

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critically and to simply know things. I also think it

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nurtured to lifelong appreciation learning and the importance of never stopping. Additionally,

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and open the door to valuable connections both intellectually and socially.

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I think, but that's where I say a certain pedigree.

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And then I thought, but does college and the system

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make people sort of droids in a sense. Do you

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know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 2: Are you are we going meeting? You go to college,

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you get a degree, you get a job, you find

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your girl, you settle down, and that's it. And are

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we equipped when you go to college? Are you really

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equipped for the real struggle? Well, the school of hard

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knocks the things that come out of the oblivion, right,

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they come out of the oblivion.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, not at all.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not at all.

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Speaker 3: You're not even close.

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Speaker 2: No, Because it's sort of like and I don't mean

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to diminish, because I think education is important, but it's

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sort of your bubble wrapped in a way. You know.

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I don't know I would because I'm going things happen

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like would you be better off kind of scraping your

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knee a little bit having some skin in the game.

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to college with, that went to the Marines first, used

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that GI money to pay for college and stayed in

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the reserves, they seem to appreciate it a little bit

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more than people like me. Where I mean, you're going

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on mommy and daddy's month and your expenses are paid,

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Speaker 3: Do that yes, I did, I did do that.

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Speaker 2: I did too, But you, I think appreciated it more

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parents go to college.

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Speaker 3: My mother tried going to community college and she had

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to pay for it for herself, and you know, eventually,

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like in the seventies, it just wasn't a thing for her.

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a heck of an artist and so, but she just

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didn't shouldn't finish school.

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Speaker 1: So no, they didn't really.

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Speaker 2: Get to so my parents did. So it was sort

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of the expectation, and I think, like, I go, yeah,

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you know, in a way, you were sort of there,

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bubble wrapped, right.

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Speaker 3: My father had this Cold War approach with us, like

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Speaker 1: You have to go to college or the Russians will

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beat us. Okay, okay, yeah, But.

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Speaker 2: Then you look at the people who dropped out of college.

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Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg all dropped out, Richard

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Branson dropped out, started Virgin Records. Right then he goes

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against the Stones to the sex pistoles. Thomas Edison. I

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think Thomas Edison was kicked out of twelve schools to

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his I I no, No, Thomas Edison not kicked out

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at twelve schools. That that's wrong. I believe he dropped

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out of school at the age of twelve because the

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traditional learning didn't help. Clearly, the man's a genius. Went on,

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you know, we have the light bulb and all these

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things that just were groundbreaking, right.

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Speaker 1: And they are bored and they had to move on.

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Speaker 2: Right. So then I go, well, what about the party schools,

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the schools that are known for partying?

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Speaker 1: Alfred?

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Speaker 3: Sorry, sorry, sorry, Greg, I didn't I didn't see it there.

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Speaker 2: Let's say you don't have a genius on your hand.

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Speaker 3: Actually, I think it's the place across the street, but

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the state one.

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Speaker 2: But you got a social kid who you know, who

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thinks c's get degrees, does not worry about it.

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Speaker 1: George Bush type George Bush j Yeah.

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Speaker 2: W They come home and say I want to go

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to college, and I want to go to and I

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I think is pretty good school. According to research and

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ranking site niche. They released its round up of the

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top party schools in twenty twenty five. Azona State University

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no University of California, Santa Barbera number one, the couch

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shows yes Wow. And they to put this together five

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hundred thousand student reviews, and they the Nietzsches data scientists

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assigned scores based on the following factors. Student surveys, access

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to bars, athletics sounds like for Doonia State athletics, athletics grade,

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Greek life grade, and access to restaurants. And somebody writes,

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it's literally heaven on earth for an eighteen to twenty

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one year old at U see.

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Speaker 3: We got four taco bells. You see Santa barb five

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Starbucks across the street.

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Speaker 2: As long as you don't overdo it. You need to

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prioritize school over partying because the academic load is quite rigorous.

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But here's my question. Is this the better way for

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you to get ready for real life? A life boot camp?

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a study because they're you're always going to have in life,

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the things that you want to do and the things

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you have to do right. And if college is a

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way to ease into adulthood and get an education and

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all the nice things I don't know, I go are

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notorious party schools better. But I don't know. It's like

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playing Survivor with mom and Dad's money in a sense,

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like you're you know, you figure it out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think you do.

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Speaker 2: You do.

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Speaker 3: You do eventually have to figure it out because because

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you have to learn how.

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Speaker 1: To be an adult.

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Speaker 3: The thing is, though, is that I think college has

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gotten so watered down when the exception of the price

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tag that continues to go up that you got to

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be a real like even grunk got through college. Okay,

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I mean it's almost like a given that you're going

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to get through it. Yeah, I mean, I don't even

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know if it means anything anymore. They just like, like

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employers just want to see that you actually went through

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with it. Well, it does give me me to me,

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I wish there was some way that you could just

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truncate education, like like you said, a boot camp into

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real life, get rid of colleges and just I say

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this as a Fisher guy who's employed by two universities

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right now announcing football games, But I mean, I wish

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there was a way to truncate college and hey, what

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do you want to do? What do you want to

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go into? Okay, you're going to do a practicum. You

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want to be in sales, You're gonna do a sales practicum.

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We're gonna take you through all the steps to do it.

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for that, obviously, but you want to go into the

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arts or the sciences or whatever.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: I think if you have to be a doctor, you

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got to go a little bit longer than somebody who

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just wants to be, you know, an anchor on a

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television show.

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Speaker 2: Exactly.

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Speaker 3: Okay, But I think that we need to truncate school

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now because I think colleges have now just become just

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factories for mindlessness, and that's not what they're supposed to be.

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Speaker 1: They were supposed to be.

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Speaker 2: They're supposed to be like yeah, because I would say,

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like if my kids said to me, I'm going to Princeton,

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I don't think there's I'm not saying there's not a

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party scene there, but there's a probably a lot more

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rigorous academic you know, academia, and maybe that's part of

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the partying or do you you learn better to balance

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those things. I don't know. Syracuse University is one of

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the top five party schools, and uh, this may be

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the reason why the motto.

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Speaker 3: Another peer on your university, another another beer on your parents.

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Speaker 6: Fraternity one investigates what the chancellor calls repugnant conduct seen

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in a video circulating in social media in the Disturbut.

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Speaker 2: Two fraternities at Syracuse University shut down.

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Speaker 1: Like wait not just one?

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Speaker 2: No? No? Two? Two past week? Yeah two, here we.

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Speaker 3: Go, got a topic.

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Speaker 4: I go.

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Speaker 6: Two students are seeing vomiting on two others lying on

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the ground. Another tape to a poll with their mouth covered,

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arms stretched out.

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Speaker 2: Now this is the book camp I'm talking about.

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Speaker 4: You got yourself into that situation.

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Speaker 1: Motherfucker, get it. Get out.

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Speaker 2: You gotta get out. That's I'm I'm not look I

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am for education. I don't. I do think it's sometimes

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it's a little elitist. Yes it is. It's expensive. I

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can't deny that. But if you're able to go, or

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you can find a means to do it, I think

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it can benefit you in the long run and give

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you a greater appreciation for life. And like you said,

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you're exposed to more different people, different things. You don't

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have to agree with it. I'm telling you go in

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there and do that, but it will sharpen your mind,

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but it sharpens you as a person. I think, Okay, wonderful.

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it's unbridled kids with no real supervision. And then we've

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got somebody where you're fed drinks and then two guys

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have to In one story, the people laying on the ground,

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they didn't say it here, I'm going to back it up,

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but they were tied up. They were like had their

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hands tied behind their backs and they had to lay

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there while these guys and I'm assuming it's incoming people

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are puking on them from drinking too much. I don't

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don't know what this story.

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Speaker 3: They're pledging, yes, they're pledging yes, so, uh, you could

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trust us.

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Speaker 2: Some asshole took a video of this.

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Speaker 3: Brothers, bah, this is my thing.

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Speaker 2: It's like it's all part of yeah.

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Speaker 1: No, we could trust you.

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Speaker 2: Ba.

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Speaker 6: Repug conduct seen in a video circulating in social media.

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In the disturbing footage, two students are seen vomiting on

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two others lying on the ground. Another tape to a

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poll with their mouth covered, arms stretched out. The phi

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CAPA Side National office has also ordered the fraternity to

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stop all activities while police investigate new tonight the national

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chapter aside the home office.

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Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, broh Yeah, you might want to just take

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a little break from frattinis and bro because that's not

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what Bi Kappa Gemo stands for.

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Speaker 2: Bro Again, It's like, it's unreal, right we do.

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Speaker 3: That the privacy of our own frat in a.

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Speaker 1: Bathtub like a normal person.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, Fi Campus I will work closely with university

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officials to identify those responsible and ensure accountability. Hazing has

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no place in Phi Campasi or in society, and we

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remain committed to eradicating it from our organization. Syracuse University

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DPS is working with Syracuse Police. If you have any information.

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Speaker 3: Don't be a rat by the puck, crime stoppers, don't

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be a rat.

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Speaker 2: Okay, if you see.

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Speaker 3: Somewhat pledging a fraternity, please call crime stoppers. You could

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be eligible for a cash reward.

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Speaker 2: Does this give you the same? Okay, you go to

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Barnard College, right, you're one of the two persons. Are

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you're gonna get or are you're going to get a

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better chance of survival skills at Syracuse University where at

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a fraternity they're you're getting puked up. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: That is a great question.

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Speaker 2: Wonder where are you going to get the better? Where

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am I getting more bang for my body? I mean,

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look this ship. If you got a kid that likes

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to party, they're going to find a party at whatever

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college they go do. But I'm just saying those more

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rigorously academic or better known for that, the harder ones

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to get into that we talked about earlier. I wonder

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if Syracuse, which is not an easy pushover school, no,

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by any chance, you get into.

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Speaker 3: The new House program for calm man, you gotta work.

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Speaker 2: You got it. So I just wonder what is the deal?

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But when they when they turn their puke in Honya

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and they got two fraternities shut down, and that's where

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I go, I earn Okay, So I'm wondering, like, I

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got one more, one more guy who's going to go

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to college right probably in the next four or five years.

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Do I make him get a little skin in the game,

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maybe even delay a year or something.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, do r OTC or something.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying something to be a little more valuable.

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Because I know who your daddy was and I had

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a take another.

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Speaker 1: Year off your DNA. Well then but then you look

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at Jordan.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but Jordan's got ah, he's a lot like his

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mom's SOD.

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Speaker 3: Yeah her DNA.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's very smart.

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, Jackson didn't go to college.

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Speaker 2: Right, Jackson did not. Jackson did do some community college

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and was a very good writer, really good writer. But

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I think with jack Jackson had some yeah things going on,

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and so he's doing some other stuff.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, because like if you go to

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that Barnard College, I mean, I mean, I'm sure like

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stuff goes on, like stuff went on at Fisher, but

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nobody ever was close to death, right.

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Speaker 2: Like we didn't have frats or anything, right, And I thank.

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Speaker 3: God too, not just because of the safety, but because

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I think frats all due respect. If you've been in

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a frat and you got through a frat, good for you.

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I've never been a fan of frats. I could never

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put my finger on why. I just think it's just

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it's just I just it just doesn't do anything for me.

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And most women I've talked to like hate frat guys.

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But you go to you go to the U of

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a man. It's like they didn't even go to off

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campus parties. Everything's on campus.

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Speaker 5: It's all.

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Speaker 1: They all go to Greek life, that's their big thing.

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Speaker 3: But I mean, I I just I I'm glad we

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didn't have a frat at Fisher. But take all that aside.

475
00:22:12,799 --> 00:22:15,119
It was like the safest place in America. Nothing even

476
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,880
remotely dangerous ever happened there. Like the most dangerous thing

477
00:22:19,519 --> 00:22:23,559
was actually somebody having like an actual medical emergency, which

478
00:22:23,599 --> 00:22:25,759
could happen to anybody. No, there was no there was

479
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,039
never any foul play. The worst thing that ever happened

480
00:22:29,279 --> 00:22:33,039
was the scent of laundry coming from someone's room, because

481
00:22:33,039 --> 00:22:35,799
you knew they didn't have, you know, the the lawn

482
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,400
they're spoofed to it.

483
00:22:39,799 --> 00:22:42,559
Speaker 2: If you spell Dowdy coming out of two six, it's

484
00:22:42,559 --> 00:22:45,119
fabric soft and they blow the pots.

485
00:22:45,319 --> 00:22:47,200
Speaker 1: You knew some of it was smoke, could we right?

486
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,039
Speaker 3: And that was like the worst thing that could happen,

487
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,000
And it happened rarely, Like nobody did drugs.

488
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,400
Speaker 2: No, I just I just wonder, I you know, where

489
00:22:55,599 --> 00:22:58,200
where are you better off? If you're gonna do the

490
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,720
college things, a party school where you have to navigate

491
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:02,440
this stuff, or.

492
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,440
Speaker 3: You well, I mean if you come out with student loans.

493
00:23:05,759 --> 00:23:08,680
You're going to have to attack life. Yes, you're gonna

494
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:09,720
have to get a real job.

495
00:23:09,759 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 1: Maybe too.

496
00:23:10,559 --> 00:23:11,759
Speaker 2: Here's the thing that I if.

497
00:23:11,599 --> 00:23:13,839
Speaker 1: Mom and dad pay for everything, that could be different.

498
00:23:14,079 --> 00:23:17,119
Speaker 2: Here's the thing that I think is very very important

499
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,039
in life. And I think you saw it when I

500
00:23:19,079 --> 00:23:21,880
mentioned guys who did not finish college, although they all

501
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:27,640
went Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Zuckerberg, Richard Branson, they all

502
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,880
had a motor. And that's the thing that I've always

503
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,240
said about my guys. I don't care what you do

504
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,000
or what it is, but you have to have a

505
00:23:34,039 --> 00:23:36,440
motor to do something. You've got to have a motor

506
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,079
to do something. And I think like each one of

507
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,880
the guys has that, you know, And that's the part

508
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:43,839
that I think is the most important, because that's what's

509
00:23:43,839 --> 00:23:45,880
going to propel you through life. Look at guys like

510
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,400
Gary Vee, who's a big motivational speaker and an early

511
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,519
investor in Facebook and Twitter, multimillionaire wants to buy the Jets,

512
00:23:52,839 --> 00:23:55,920
didn't do well in school. I don't know much about

513
00:23:55,960 --> 00:24:01,359
his education beyond the requirements of high school and stuff

514
00:24:01,799 --> 00:24:04,400
I don't know. Would say that he didn't do well

515
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,640
in school. Great as an entrepreneur, right, Amazing has a motor,

516
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,519
has a motor that just doesn't stop, and that's the

517
00:24:10,519 --> 00:24:13,119
most important thing. So, you know, all I would say

518
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,599
to anybody is figure out what it is if you

519
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,200
can do the college thing and you like it. I

520
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,319
think even for kids who say who like I wasn't

521
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:25,759
very good in I didn't like school, I get bored, whatever.

522
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,920
But once I got to college it was more, you know, stimulating.

523
00:24:29,079 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 1: I did better in college and tell actually.

524
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 2: Stimulating, and I loved it. So I think that's the thing.

525
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,160
But I thought that was sort of interesting. And I

526
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:39,079
love the Syracuse getting in trouble losing two frats shut

527
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:39,559
down baby.

528
00:24:40,079 --> 00:24:41,799
Speaker 3: By the way, in the story they said one of

529
00:24:41,839 --> 00:24:44,200
the frats said, we do not tolerate Amazing.

530
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,880
Speaker 1: Yes, since when since today?

531
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,759
Speaker 2: Well, I say today. I think they've been really trying

532
00:24:50,799 --> 00:24:52,920
for the past couple of years to squash that down.

533
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,400
Don't forget. I don't know how many years ago, but

534
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:56,559
GENNESEU had a could die.

535
00:24:56,599 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 1: Yeah I remember that.

536
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So I think that the hazing thing, it

537
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:02,920
feels like it was more popular. I thought it was

538
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,519
sort of out. I just done with because there was

539
00:25:05,559 --> 00:25:09,079
such a thing on a taboo. But then I thought, man,

540
00:25:09,079 --> 00:25:10,119
they just went underground.

541
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, fraternity aren't the only thing down south.

542
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 3: A lot of schools like do you know why, Like

543
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,599
in college football and basketball, halftime is like twenty minutes,

544
00:25:19,599 --> 00:25:22,519
which is ridiculous. Like in the NFL, it's thirteen, they

545
00:25:22,519 --> 00:25:25,640
get back quick. In college football it's twenty minutes. The

546
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,039
reason is because of band scholarships, right, both bands have

547
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,440
to go perform in front of everybody. But those bands

548
00:25:32,519 --> 00:25:35,519
they have hazing that go I'm not joking, and they're

549
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:40,680
like esbing, like Outside the Lines and stones. Florida I

550
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,559
think it was Florida. A and M had like two

551
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,119
kids die on a bus, you know, in a hazing incident.

552
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:51,400
Speaker 2: I mean somebody puts your uh somebody uh put your

553
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:52,799
mouth piece up your ass.

554
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:54,799
Speaker 1: People have died.

555
00:25:54,839 --> 00:25:57,759
Speaker 2: We're getting a call here. Let me uh, okay, let's

556
00:25:57,799 --> 00:26:04,640
see call or can you hear me? Oh? Thank you?

557
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,799
There's no sound, no sound, No, it's okay, thank you,

558
00:26:09,279 --> 00:26:14,480
bye bye. There's no sound on the Why would that be.

559
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,480
There should be sound. I've got sound coming out here,

560
00:26:17,519 --> 00:26:19,839
and there should be sound going out there. I'm seeing

561
00:26:19,839 --> 00:26:23,400
it over here. I have to check.

562
00:26:23,799 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 3: I'm not hearing a thing, Billy, I'm just using mental telepathy. Community.

563
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 2: All right, Well, we'll take a moment. Steve Sercu is

564
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,480
gonna come in. I did a one on one with

565
00:26:33,559 --> 00:26:36,519
him earlier. We'll get to that. And when we come

566
00:26:36,559 --> 00:26:41,640
back after that, a real life groundhogs day. Oh yeah,

567
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,799
this is weird. We'll get to that right after this.

568
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I Know a.

602
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Speaker 4: Little baby on the appation Tree.

603
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 2: Six months old, Lead down, Free, musing jan Is this

604
00:28:52,279 --> 00:28:53,920
a song that made you want to become a defense?

605
00:28:57,119 --> 00:29:02,400
It was long after Outlaw p It was Folkesman. Name

606
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:11,400
is that love? Bruce? Would you see Bruce wearing?

607
00:29:11,799 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 3: So?

608
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 2: Bruce is the reason I think that a lot of

609
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,880
UH guys feel like now they've got to give longer shows.

610
00:29:20,359 --> 00:29:22,720
I think, I really do. I think that Bruce Springsteen.

611
00:29:22,759 --> 00:29:25,200
Not that he's the inventor of time or anything, but

612
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,680
he was one of the first that consistently does three

613
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:32,279
hour shows wherever he goes. And his reasoning, from what

614
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,839
I gather is people are paying a lot of money.

615
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,759
Speaker 5: He didn't stop. We were so it's a long story.

616
00:29:37,799 --> 00:29:42,319
But when we saw him, uh the year before, we

617
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,240
saw him in Buffalo, Yeah it was I didn't like

618
00:29:46,279 --> 00:29:50,640
the set list and his energy was bad for him.

619
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,359
And it turns out he had ulcers or some sort

620
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,319
of and he had to cancel the rest of his shows.

621
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 2: And so that's right. I remember this, and.

622
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 5: He was not one d per so it actually went

623
00:29:59,079 --> 00:30:01,279
through a little depression, like was over.

624
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:03,519
Speaker 2: Yeah right, right, we go.

625
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,359
Speaker 5: There in April and this guy comes out and he's

626
00:30:06,559 --> 00:30:09,279
jam in one of my favorite songs and he just

627
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,920
played rock for two hours and forty five minutes, no breaks.

628
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 2: It's amazing.

629
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 5: It's a seventy three years.

630
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,359
Speaker 2: It's amazing because I went to see the Stones the summer. Yeah,

631
00:30:17,599 --> 00:30:19,960
and they were but I don't but their show was

632
00:30:20,039 --> 00:30:23,519
more like ninety minutes or whatever for two hours. Yes see,

633
00:30:23,559 --> 00:30:26,599
that's what I'm saying. And I go that, that's pretty impressive.

634
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:27,759
That's really impressive.

635
00:30:28,279 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 5: Uh.

636
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 2: Steve Cercy from Circu and is it circu with Circu

637
00:30:31,799 --> 00:30:35,279
circus Circula circula. I did see. I drove by the

638
00:30:35,279 --> 00:30:38,640
other day the new offices Monroe Avenue in Pittsford. Correct,

639
00:30:38,759 --> 00:30:40,480
did someone hit a sign near there?

640
00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 5: No, there was a there was a win some wind. Damn.

641
00:30:44,039 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 2: Oh okay, there was a wind fifty You know.

642
00:30:48,319 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 5: I had a lot of friends, but he might have

643
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:50,480
a couple of enemies.

644
00:30:50,599 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 2: Suture client. No, No it wasn't so I wasn't sure.

645
00:30:54,079 --> 00:30:56,039
But I always think this is an interesting thing. Because

646
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,880
as a defense attorney, and I think a lot of

647
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,759
times people may look at it and go, well, why

648
00:31:00,759 --> 00:31:03,960
would you defend certain people? And I know this is

649
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,240
something we're sort of reiterating because we've talked about this

650
00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:10,279
in the past, But I always think the importance is

651
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,519
protecting the rights, but not just of the individual as

652
00:31:13,599 --> 00:31:16,480
much as everybody, because it could be any one of

653
00:31:16,559 --> 00:31:17,960
us at some point. Yeah.

654
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,599
Speaker 5: I mean, haven't been a prosecutor for twelve years. I

655
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:25,359
know the immense power, yeah, that the government has with

656
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,599
the police departments, and my experience as a prosecutor in

657
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,119
law enforcement was nothing but positive. With the players. Yeah,

658
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,680
you know, there's a good, hard working people that are

659
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,920
trying to do what they believe is right. And I've

660
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,359
always said that my job as a defense attorney is

661
00:31:39,359 --> 00:31:42,640
really to check a government. My job, like all of

662
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,559
us who are defense attorneys, is to not have an

663
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:53,039
unfettered government agency which could really be tyrannical on its citizens. Yes,

664
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,960
and it's in the community, so you know, I'm the

665
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,200
buffer between the government and one or more of its citizens.

666
00:31:59,359 --> 00:32:03,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an interesting thing because I was I wrote

667
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,960
you and I kind of exchanged texts about topics and

668
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,559
things to talk about. And I wrote you saying, I

669
00:32:09,599 --> 00:32:12,920
always feel like the government enjoys and maybe that's not

670
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:17,279
the right word, but a tremendous amount of resources that

671
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:22,799
go to prisons and taking putting bad people away, right,

672
00:32:23,519 --> 00:32:27,079
it would be the purpose. But sometimes in that and

673
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,000
in those resources, innocent people get swept up. And I

674
00:32:30,039 --> 00:32:33,799
had read something. I was reading something a while ago

675
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,200
about defense attorneys. It was making me think of you

676
00:32:36,279 --> 00:32:39,599
with some story might have been in Vulture or something

677
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,400
like that, and the story was about a couple that

678
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:47,200
was getting divorced and they had four daughters and the

679
00:32:47,319 --> 00:32:52,839
mother was claiming that the father had sexually molested the girls.

680
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 5: It happens all the time, it does, absolutely.

681
00:32:55,359 --> 00:32:59,799
Speaker 2: Okay, so they go into that. Now there's a trial.

682
00:33:00,279 --> 00:33:02,519
So the guy's on trial, and I think that the

683
00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:05,559
defense attorney's like, you know, I don't want to have

684
00:33:05,599 --> 00:33:09,920
to cross examine these young girls. He's like, but I

685
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,839
gotta do what I have to do, because he said,

686
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,400
nobody's gonna really, everybody's gonna look at this and go, wow,

687
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,799
it's a possibility, right, and it's a horrible thing. And

688
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,839
this is this guy's awful, and this is why they

689
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,839
got divorced, and it sort of fits a narrative, and

690
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:28,400
he said the fourth the daughter got up there, like

691
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,160
each girl got up and said their thing, and then

692
00:33:30,519 --> 00:33:32,559
the fourth one on pond questioning is broke down and

693
00:33:32,559 --> 00:33:34,400
cried and SA mom told us to do this, and

694
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,680
I really miss seeing my dad. And then they brought

695
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,880
all the girls back in. And the defense attorney's point was,

696
00:33:40,839 --> 00:33:45,039
if it wasn't for us defense attorneys, that guy's going

697
00:33:45,079 --> 00:33:49,279
away because there's a Norman. Yeah, because there's enormous resources

698
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,599
that are at the disposal of the government to put

699
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,839
people like this away, and you do want somebody like

700
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,920
that put away. That's not the point. But the point

701
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,599
is this guy kept saying, I never did this.

702
00:33:58,839 --> 00:34:02,799
Speaker 5: Well, I had a case County, and it really was

703
00:34:02,839 --> 00:34:04,519
an interesting case. And what happened was I get a

704
00:34:04,559 --> 00:34:07,279
phone call from a person, a gentleman who was charged

705
00:34:07,319 --> 00:34:10,320
out of county with what's called patronizing a prostitute. So

706
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,679
I bring him in and we're sitting down and he said,

707
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,639
well it actually started off as a rape case. I said,

708
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,760
what do you mean? And long story short, he had

709
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,480
met a person on a website and agreed to pay

710
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,599
this person an outrageous amount of money for sexual intercourse,

711
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,599
and they agreed to meet out of county in a motel.

712
00:34:30,039 --> 00:34:33,719
They go, they have sex. He says I'm gonna go

713
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,800
get the money from the car, and he drives off.

714
00:34:36,599 --> 00:34:40,559
Now he happened to be African American and the complainant

715
00:34:40,599 --> 00:34:45,000
who called the police immediately was white, and she said

716
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,800
that she had just been raped, raped forcibly raped. So

717
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,840
this out of county organization. Law enforcement did an all APB,

718
00:34:54,039 --> 00:34:56,800
all points bulletin for this car. They find him, and

719
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,519
it did not go well in the beginning. You know

720
00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:03,519
that you're a rapist. That's twenty five years, yeah, right right,

721
00:35:03,639 --> 00:35:06,639
and by the minimum of five and the most match

722
00:35:06,679 --> 00:35:08,960
of twenty five and you have to do six seven.

723
00:35:09,079 --> 00:35:11,440
So here's where I got six seven, six sevens eighty

724
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,519
five percent of the twenty four six seven six sevenths. Yeah,

725
00:35:14,559 --> 00:35:17,039
you don't get out in two three you whatever.

726
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:21,159
Speaker 2: Number you got to do, that would be okay. Why

727
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,239
seventeen even on good behavior? You know how we hear

728
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,000
if you get out of good behavior, it'll be whatever.

729
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:30,159
Speaker 5: Yeah, with violent felonies, it's called parole super Earth's it's

730
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,679
post release supervision. But you must serve at this point

731
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,480
eighty five percent of the number. But so what happens

732
00:35:35,519 --> 00:35:37,800
is he's in my office and I said, well what happened?

733
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,519
He goes, well, they were all over me. I'm a rapist.

734
00:35:41,559 --> 00:35:43,199
And I said, no, no, no, I got it on video.

735
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,960
What do you mean? So I videotaped.

736
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:49,320
Speaker 2: I'm sorry to left.

737
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 5: So thank god this jem had enough presence of mine,

738
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,559
or he'd be it'd be her word against him.

739
00:35:55,639 --> 00:35:59,119
Speaker 2: Now can I interject here? I have a funny feeling

740
00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:01,719
it wasn't president of mine for him to do that.

741
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,559
He's invested a lot of money in this. He was

742
00:36:03,559 --> 00:36:05,880
going to relivet this experience over and over. Had nothing

743
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:07,199
to do with protecting himself.

744
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 5: Maybe you know he never was going to pay her anything. Yeah,

745
00:36:10,559 --> 00:36:16,400
I mean, what's that of those uh deals? But I'm thinking,

746
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,280
you don't leave the you can't let him leave before

747
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:18,719
you pay.

748
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 2: You can't know that that's bad business.

749
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 5: But but that's just it. I mean, and that's where

750
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,079
he did his own investigation. And so criminal defense attorneys

751
00:36:26,119 --> 00:36:29,159
we don't have the luxury that that that the government has.

752
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:33,400
Right like the Rochester Police Department. I'm a great officer.

753
00:36:33,519 --> 00:36:34,519
There's eight hundred of them.

754
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:39,519
Speaker 2: Right, Well, look, the government has scientific Uh, you can

755
00:36:39,559 --> 00:36:42,079
do scientific testing at a whim, you know what I mean,

756
00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:44,079
You've got you've got the money, you can do scientific

757
00:36:44,119 --> 00:36:47,280
testing and am So that's where I think the defense

758
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:51,000
attorney is. So, I mean, it's got to become like

759
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:52,719
you're my best buddy.

760
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,039
Speaker 5: It's a lot of stress. I'm sure it is immensely

761
00:36:56,039 --> 00:36:58,800
because you have lives that are counting on you, and

762
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,960
you don't always have the ability to get science to

763
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:08,000
support your position. I mean, and so the talent of

764
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,679
great defense attorneys is the ability to cross examine, develop

765
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,800
a theory and a strategy that makes sense. Right, that

766
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,719
makes sense, and that is more than plausible. That's what happened.

767
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,480
Now we bear no burden of proof. The burdens entirely

768
00:37:20,519 --> 00:37:22,599
on the government, which is a very high burden beyond

769
00:37:22,639 --> 00:37:25,280
a reasonable doubt. But in the end, you know, if

770
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,679
they think your client did it, they're going to be convicted.

771
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think is it fair to say, and

772
00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:33,199
I know when they come to picking a jury, if

773
00:37:33,199 --> 00:37:36,760
you go to trial, that you're looking for people who

774
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,519
would be not partial in any way.

775
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,679
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, I no, no, no, But no, No,

776
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:43,559
that's the biggest liss.

777
00:37:43,559 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 2: Okay good. I'm glad because this is my thing I go.

778
00:37:46,039 --> 00:37:47,880
I think most people, if they know what the case is,

779
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,400
they kind of are already going in with it.

780
00:37:50,599 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 5: When I pick a jury, I want twelve jurors who

781
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:54,079
are going to do whatever I tell them to do.

782
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,760
If it's Thursday, and I tell them at the end

783
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,800
of the day during closing arguments that today's Wednesday, I

784
00:38:00,039 --> 00:38:01,960
want twelve Jersey. Go back, and when they vote, is

785
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,239
today Wednesday, I want twelve Jersey. Yeah, Circus said it

786
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:09,079
was twelve or that it was Thursday or Wednesday. That's

787
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,239
that's what I want. And the prosecution they want the

788
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:16,679
same thing. And so we get this hodgepodge of some

789
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,480
that are more supportive of the defense, some are more

790
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,360
inclined to be prosecution, but they all can be fair

791
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,280
and partial, and so you get a hodgepodge of group

792
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,880
of people that you're not going to have twelve straight

793
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,320
people that are going to side immediately with what Circus

794
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,880
says or what the DA says, Miss Doorley or anything

795
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,039
else like that. So that's probably one of the more

796
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:39,239
most important parts of any prosecution, as would be Jerry selection.

797
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would think because you know, as I'm thinking

798
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,679
about it, you mentioned the DA. They've got all these

799
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,519
resources that's sort of their fingertips in a way, and

800
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:55,519
they defendant has you Yeah, well, you know, which I

801
00:38:55,519 --> 00:38:56,159
think is great.

802
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,159
Speaker 5: But in all fairness though, where I might carry two

803
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,400
hundred cases, yeah, you know, the legal system from the

804
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:07,079
prosecution sides thousands, yes, right, right right, there's crimes that

805
00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:09,719
don't get solved, but that doesn't mean resources aren't being

806
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,239
expended to investigate them, right right, So you know it's

807
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,119
a double edged sword. Yes, they have all these immense resources,

808
00:39:16,119 --> 00:39:18,360
but they have a lot more responsibilities, a lot more

809
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,920
cases than say I have. I carry routinely one hundred

810
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:21,519
and seventy five to.

811
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,199
Speaker 2: Two hundred cases, two hundred cases at a time at

812
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,159
a time. Yeah, wow, that's a it's a whole lot.

813
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:32,519
So like, what case strategy development, all that stuff? How

814
00:39:32,519 --> 00:39:36,440
do you keep your head in terms of making sure

815
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,639
the each I mean, oh no, that I gotta think

816
00:39:38,639 --> 00:39:41,960
the hours of this, Steve, it's got to be immense.

817
00:39:42,159 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 5: If you drive by my office on Monroe Avenue, you'll

818
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,920
see my office. My my car is there almost every day.

819
00:39:48,599 --> 00:39:51,719
It's not forever, but almost every day I'm in my office.

820
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, but when you're not, I would assume that there's

821
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:54,800
also working at home.

822
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh.

823
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

824
00:39:56,079 --> 00:39:58,119
Speaker 5: We travel a little bit to Florida. Yeah, here and there.

825
00:39:58,159 --> 00:39:59,360
I work when I'm down there.

826
00:39:59,440 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. You know.

827
00:40:00,159 --> 00:40:02,159
Speaker 5: Some of the things that we do is you know,

828
00:40:02,599 --> 00:40:05,639
client service based. My clients want.

829
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:06,679
Speaker 2: To talk to me, yes, they do.

830
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 5: I have no problem calling them back. Sometimes I sit

831
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,199
on a beach a lot in Florida and I'll call them.

832
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,400
Gonna go listen, those are the waves in the background, right, mister,

833
00:40:15,559 --> 00:40:17,360
Are you calling me from the beach? I'm like, do

834
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,679
you need me? Yeah, I go, I'm calling you from

835
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,599
the beach. That's that's what.

836
00:40:21,519 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 2: I do, right, because a lot of this stuff is

837
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,559
I got to think probably one of the biggest parts

838
00:40:27,599 --> 00:40:29,519
of your job is trying to put somebody's mind at

839
00:40:29,519 --> 00:40:33,400
ease or explain things in a language that they're going

840
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,440
to understand. Which not to say that anybody's not smart,

841
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,079
it's just that legally's is confusing.

842
00:40:39,159 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 5: Well, the process, Yes, yes, there are a few people

843
00:40:42,199 --> 00:40:45,480
understand what the process is. And so I have found

844
00:40:46,039 --> 00:40:48,800
to be very beneficial for my clients that the more

845
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,119
I can explain to them. Certainly in the beginning of

846
00:40:51,159 --> 00:40:56,440
a case leads to less anxiety, less uncertainty. That doesn't

847
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,800
mean it's there's no anxiety and there's no uncertainty because

848
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,159
there is going to because there are different players that

849
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,039
Often when I meet with new clients, I said, look,

850
00:41:04,039 --> 00:41:06,440
you're gonna pay me all this money, whatever my reasonable

851
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,639
fee is, and you might lose. I'm not the judge.

852
00:41:09,679 --> 00:41:13,199
I'm not the I haven't even seen what they say happen, right,

853
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:14,760
But if I can't fix it, nobody can.

854
00:41:15,199 --> 00:41:15,800
Speaker 2: I believe that.

855
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 5: I that's what that's that's what I do.

856
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know that. Uh you know, there's a lot

857
00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:24,920
of high profile defense attorneys that will jump on TV

858
00:41:25,039 --> 00:41:27,360
and stuff, and I'll see Mark Garragos on there and

859
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:32,039
then some guys and I'm always not that. Do you

860
00:41:32,039 --> 00:41:34,239
look in the mirror, you could be on TV stuff.

861
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:35,639
Speaker 5: I don't do a lot of interviews.

862
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, because you don't.

863
00:41:38,159 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 5: It doesn't do my clients any good.

864
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:40,639
Speaker 8: You know.

865
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 5: The last thing I want to do is have the

866
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,400
media and then share that with the public and put

867
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:49,559
a magnifying glass on my case. That doesn't do the

868
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,519
more notoriety the more publicity that puts you put a

869
00:41:53,639 --> 00:41:55,079
mess amount of pressure on.

870
00:41:55,159 --> 00:41:58,159
Speaker 2: Well, you got there and the court of public opinion

871
00:41:58,239 --> 00:41:58,760
gets out there.

872
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,760
Speaker 5: You don't need any more pressure on the players that

873
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,039
I'm dealing with to try to make an example out

874
00:42:05,079 --> 00:42:05,559
of anybody.

875
00:42:05,559 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 2: Can you ever turn it off? And here's why I

876
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,280
asked that question before. I should have let up to

877
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,000
it a little bit. But there's so many things that

878
00:42:13,039 --> 00:42:15,440
happen in just the world and the news and pop

879
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,079
culture and things like the whole P. Diddy case. Do

880
00:42:18,159 --> 00:42:20,360
you ever just look at these things and in your

881
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:24,480
own head have a strategy that just sort of formulates sing. Yeah,

882
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,280
I kind of think because it's what you do and

883
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:27,639
actually who you are.

884
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:33,119
Speaker 5: That's what law school does that changes normal people into lawyers.

885
00:42:33,559 --> 00:42:38,559
We are constantly thinking strategy based and honestly, it affects

886
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,920
our effects. Whichever term you want to use in facts

887
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:42,800
would be a negative, of course, but it affects my

888
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,719
thought process and everything I do. Everything. It doesn't matter

889
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,639
if I'm going to a restaurant, I'm hanging out my buddies.

890
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:49,639
I think like a lawyer.

891
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's.

892
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 5: Not always a good thing.

893
00:42:52,679 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 2: We probably being able to save some people along the

894
00:42:55,039 --> 00:42:57,159
way stupid things.

895
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:02,039
Speaker 5: Yeah, you certainly, you certainly can look at something different

896
00:43:02,079 --> 00:43:03,039
than a normal person.

897
00:43:03,079 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing that when I think for a

898
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,159
lot of people in the for example, in the Sean

899
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:11,480
Combs case P Diddy, the racketeering, I don't know that

900
00:43:11,519 --> 00:43:16,360
most people understood what racketeering the charges are. Can you

901
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:17,519
explain that a little bit just now.

902
00:43:17,519 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 5: The racketeer I'm not all that familiar with because that's

903
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:20,280
a federal term.

904
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, of it sounds like it's.

905
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 5: A bunch of group of people with a common purpose. Yes,

906
00:43:24,519 --> 00:43:26,400
I mean they used to do that on the mob.

907
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 2: That was the mob, right, there was a lot of

908
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:29,239
racketeering charges.

909
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 5: There was a bunch of people that all get together

910
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,679
and they have the same a plan.

911
00:43:34,119 --> 00:43:36,119
Speaker 2: That's sort of what they're saying with this is that

912
00:43:36,159 --> 00:43:39,119
he had a bunch of people getting young ladies or

913
00:43:39,199 --> 00:43:41,159
home ever to come into to be sex workers.

914
00:43:41,159 --> 00:43:43,119
Speaker 5: You know, it's a lot like the Weinstein case. And

915
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:47,199
I have a real problem when we start prosecuting and

916
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,920
even when you start talking about civil cases where you're

917
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,280
where they're trying to lack of red term prosuit those kinds. Look,

918
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:57,039
I mean, do you know where you were January fifteenth

919
00:43:57,079 --> 00:44:00,719
of twenty twenty four. I go, and you get these

920
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:04,159
people that come forward twenty twenty five years later, right,

921
00:44:04,199 --> 00:44:06,719
And now we talked about the resources that a defense

922
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:10,280
attorney has are limited anyway. But you know, you're talking

923
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,320
about something that allegedly happened eighteen twenty twenty five, thirty

924
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,000
years ago, and somebody's going to come in and say

925
00:44:16,039 --> 00:44:18,920
this happened to me, and it's going to be egregious, right,

926
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,159
And you know, there's not a heck of a lot

927
00:44:21,159 --> 00:44:24,519
of defense corroboration, unless, of course, somehow you can prove

928
00:44:24,559 --> 00:44:30,159
you were in India up in the space station, so you're.

929
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,079
Speaker 2: In fact, then there weren't the cameras all, Like you mentioned.

930
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 5: We had a huge disadvantage. So as a defense attorney,

931
00:44:36,039 --> 00:44:38,519
I looked at some of these cases. Now, your best

932
00:44:38,519 --> 00:44:42,320
defense is that what they're saying is implausible and doesn't

933
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,559
make sense. Like I think one of the cases with Weinstein,

934
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,239
there was a woman who said he abused her once

935
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,280
in his room and then invited her back, and she

936
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,960
went and she went with her husband downstairs and a

937
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,679
car waiting for her. I mean, does that make any

938
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,639
sense to anybody if you're sexually abused on day one

939
00:44:59,199 --> 00:45:01,480
to go back eight days later, going to the room alone,

940
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:05,039
leaving your husband downstairs in a car to say I

941
00:45:05,079 --> 00:45:07,599
think I could be miss speaking about what her purpose was,

942
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:09,480
but just to say she was angry with them about

943
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,800
what happened. Yeah, yeah, well that'll make a lot of

944
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:12,199
sense to me.

945
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,760
Speaker 2: No, it's like walking back into the lions then, so

946
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:16,880
to speak, right, it sort of feels that way, like

947
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:17,639
you're going to the.

948
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:20,639
Speaker 5: Tiger stage and now you're talking about civil claims that

949
00:45:20,639 --> 00:45:23,480
are not criminals. You don't that the liabilities, not jail

950
00:45:23,559 --> 00:45:25,519
or prison for the rest of life. It's millions of dollars.

951
00:45:25,639 --> 00:45:29,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, what happens with you know, another high profile case,

952
00:45:29,599 --> 00:45:34,800
certainly of those along those lines was a Cosby. Right,

953
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,039
so here comes Cosby. But when you get and I

954
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:42,079
don't know, i'd say as a layman, I guess you

955
00:45:42,119 --> 00:45:44,880
look at this and you see a person after person.

956
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,719
Now there's sixty four women with a similar story, So

957
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,840
it almost feels like, well, there you go.

958
00:45:51,639 --> 00:45:55,519
Speaker 5: Well, the most dangerous adage is where there's smoke, there's fire, right, Yeah,

959
00:45:55,559 --> 00:45:57,960
where there's smoke, there's well, must be right, yeah, must

960
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,320
be well, sixty people came forward. Well sixty people are

961
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:01,159
hoping to get a payday.

962
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I do. And I will say that when

963
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:11,280
I think that way, I always think, uh, oh do

964
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,159
does that make me not a bad person? But should

965
00:46:14,159 --> 00:46:16,119
I not think that way? Because, like you want to

966
00:46:16,119 --> 00:46:19,360
be empathetic, somebody had something done or believe something was

967
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:23,239
done to them in some fashion. Uh you know, I

968
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:27,119
have a past, a history of something happened to me

969
00:46:27,159 --> 00:46:31,760
when I was a kid, and uh, you know, I've

970
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,760
never brought it up again. But for a long time,

971
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,639
you could write there was no statute of limitations I

972
00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:40,239
think from New York State for a certain period of time.

973
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 5: And they've extended it. Yeah, yeah, they made some changes.

974
00:46:43,199 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 2: So you can go back and you can do that stuff.

975
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,360
And I go, I'm not sure what good comes of it.

976
00:46:47,559 --> 00:46:49,199
You got to kind of live with it either way.

977
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,199
And so that's just I don't.

978
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:58,519
Speaker 5: Have any problem with advancing someone's harms. Okay, I have

979
00:46:58,519 --> 00:47:00,159
no problem with that. I just have a problem with

980
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,599
making it unfair to defend yourself. Yeah right, I mean,

981
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:06,360
you can't go back thirty years. Sorry, but they are

982
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,079
and they do. Yeah, and so how will that ever

983
00:47:09,159 --> 00:47:12,360
change is there energy? Well, actually, you know the I

984
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,159
think it's a New York Survivors actor. I think it's

985
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,320
lapsing now, so that now it's they gave a one

986
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:23,000
or two year open window. That's what retroactively ring cases

987
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:29,679
both civil and criminal go back retroactively for two years.

988
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,039
You could bring it right, But now that I think

989
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:34,199
that's lapsed, I want to say it lapsed in November

990
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:38,880
of last year. So now it's those rules extending the

991
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,159
statue limitations, which protects people from something coming up thirty

992
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,559
years later. They've changed it and now it's extended much

993
00:47:45,639 --> 00:47:48,159
longer than it is than it was before.

994
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:52,199
Speaker 2: Okay, but what happens in these civil cases? Civil versus

995
00:47:53,039 --> 00:47:56,639
criminal cases? So the civil cases, I think Diddy has

996
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:01,039
about one hundred and two against him, more coming and

997
00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:04,719
more coming. So how do you how do you prove

998
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,440
that because or does it become a case of I

999
00:48:07,519 --> 00:48:09,199
might as well jump on it as well. You were

1000
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,840
at the party, could say something happened even though it didn't.

1001
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,840
I don't know how you defend in those cases, do you?

1002
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 5: Well? I mean I think there's some well I think

1003
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,920
his defense is going to have to be consensual, right,

1004
00:48:20,119 --> 00:48:22,719
I mean, they did have what was it, ten thousand jars,

1005
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:25,159
So I mean it's not going to say it didn't

1006
00:48:25,199 --> 00:48:28,920
have something that was going on a slide, yeah, slipping slide.

1007
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:32,199
But but then you know, was it forced coerced? You know,

1008
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:36,800
the guys very very wealthy. Now he was a mover

1009
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,360
and a shaker back then, ye as he was. He

1010
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:43,840
was meteoric rise. You know, people want to be around that, right.

1011
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 2: They are attracted the attracted that not.

1012
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 5: Only because it's fun to be around perhaps in their mind,

1013
00:48:48,119 --> 00:48:49,719
but they may be able to get something. And you

1014
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:53,159
got a young musician, you know what I mean. So

1015
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,199
you have to look at somebody's motive to be with

1016
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,920
them back then. And you know, I always say, why

1017
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,920
don't you come forward a time a long time ago

1018
00:49:01,039 --> 00:49:03,440
while he threatened us with guns? Okay, well why a

1019
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,920
you're coming forward now? Then how about this? You don't

1020
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,280
want any money, right, this is just but you're asking

1021
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:09,159
for millions of dollars.

1022
00:49:09,199 --> 00:49:13,079
Speaker 2: There's people that feel like there's safety in numbers, you

1023
00:49:13,159 --> 00:49:15,360
know what I mean. And I do wonder if sometimes

1024
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:19,599
sometimes when you shine that light and one or two

1025
00:49:19,639 --> 00:49:21,440
come out, and then somebody else gets brave enough and

1026
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,519
brave enough and more. I don't know. I just wonder

1027
00:49:24,559 --> 00:49:26,559
with the civil cases though, that seems is that even

1028
00:49:26,639 --> 00:49:27,519
harder to defend.

1029
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,559
Speaker 5: Well, it's a lower standard of proof to be found by.

1030
00:49:29,559 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 2: It is a lower standard, much lower.

1031
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,519
Speaker 5: And but I don't want this to the listeners here podcasts.

1032
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:35,679
I'm not minimizing.

1033
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, it's a bad example. It's just an example.

1034
00:49:39,159 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 5: It could be anything. It just so happens that the

1035
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,000
law is being tailored in a different way for those

1036
00:49:45,039 --> 00:49:49,920
types of cases. But any accusations that go back twenty

1037
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:55,280
five years, that's very difficult to defend, right, very difficult

1038
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,360
to defend things like how consistent were their statements throughout

1039
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:04,599
the years. But again, that takes resources, right that most

1040
00:50:04,599 --> 00:50:07,679
people don't have. Most people don't have. So I'm left

1041
00:50:07,679 --> 00:50:10,199
with cross examining a witness who maybe spoke in the

1042
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:13,000
grand jury six months ago, spoke to the police eight

1043
00:50:13,039 --> 00:50:16,480
months ago, looking for inconsistencies or things that don't make sense.

1044
00:50:17,559 --> 00:50:21,679
And you know, my other opinion is most people think

1045
00:50:21,679 --> 00:50:24,440
it happens when they're jurors, but no one really wants

1046
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,199
to believe it because you have to trust your kids

1047
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,119
and family with strangers all the time, all the time,

1048
00:50:30,159 --> 00:50:32,400
and I think that my experience has been that not

1049
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:36,840
everyone wants to believe that it happened in this particular case. Yeah,

1050
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,679
we know what happens, but not in this particular case.

1051
00:50:40,119 --> 00:50:42,159
And maybe it's because the defense reat does a wonderful

1052
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,719
job of cross examining the witness and pointing out inconsistent

1053
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,119
statements and a virgion of events that doesn't really make sense.

1054
00:50:49,119 --> 00:50:52,679
Maybe there's other people present within three feet away, things

1055
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:54,400
like that, and then there's you know, there's counters to

1056
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,599
that that the prosecution has. So those are difficult cases

1057
00:50:57,599 --> 00:50:59,559
to prosecute, they're difficult cases to defend.

1058
00:51:00,599 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 2: But if you're looking for a defense attorney, I would

1059
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,960
say Steve is by far the best. And the great

1060
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,880
thing is go to their website Circuit Law se r

1061
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:13,039
CU law dot com and confidentially you can email absolutely right,

1062
00:51:13,039 --> 00:51:14,960
and so that way, you know, if you if you're

1063
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,000
worried about somebody, I don't know I've ever seen your

1064
00:51:17,039 --> 00:51:20,239
phone and it's ringing and whatever, what's this number you got?

1065
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,079
You got on the line of communication that can be

1066
00:51:22,199 --> 00:51:24,679
very very uh quiet.

1067
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, we get we receive many email inquiries.

1068
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure because I would think that a lot

1069
00:51:30,119 --> 00:51:33,559
of people get a little nervous with just hey man,

1070
00:51:33,599 --> 00:51:34,920
where am I at with this? And I don't want

1071
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,639
anybody to know? And could something happen here? And so

1072
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:39,280
that sort of thing. Have you ever been brought in

1073
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,719
by a team, let's say, a case you're not involved

1074
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,360
in at all, but the prosecution to see how a

1075
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:48,960
defense may go against them in a trial. I have

1076
00:51:49,039 --> 00:51:52,239
not had that to be a consultant. I didn't did

1077
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,199
that just to get in the mind of the opponent,

1078
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:54,719
so to speak.

1079
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 5: Not look at the prosecutors that I deal with are exceptional,

1080
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,400
I'm sure, And I would say the following that a

1081
00:52:02,519 --> 00:52:05,320
great lawyer, whether it's a prosecute defense attorney in a

1082
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:10,320
criminal setting or plaintiff defendant in a civil setting, right differences.

1083
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:14,079
Plaintiff brings the action, defense will defend it in a civil.

1084
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,320
Prosecution brings the action. Defense attorney will defend it in

1085
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,400
the criminal You got to understand both sides of the game.

1086
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,760
It's like a football game, right the offense has to

1087
00:52:23,199 --> 00:52:25,519
expect what the defense is going to do and vice versa.

1088
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:29,079
And so most of the prosecutors I deal with that,

1089
00:52:29,159 --> 00:52:31,360
you know, we got younger proscuers that are learning, but

1090
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,599
it doesn't take long for them to figure out, you know,

1091
00:52:33,639 --> 00:52:36,039
what's cirk you going to do? This is if these

1092
00:52:36,079 --> 00:52:37,800
are the issues, this is what I would point out.

1093
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:41,719
And they picked that up prett dark quick, right they do.

1094
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,400
And so it's a it's a game of cat and.

1095
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:45,079
Speaker 1: Mouse at times.

1096
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 2: I don't know if anybody knows this, but I went

1097
00:52:47,519 --> 00:52:51,519
to buy a Creola A pack from my kid the

1098
00:52:51,559 --> 00:52:53,920
other day and there's Circu blue is in there? Now

1099
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,639
that's it. There's like, that's Circu blue.

1100
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 5: This is Circu blue. Yeah, it's Circu blue, about fifteen different.

1101
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,199
I just picked up a new one today, all custom made,

1102
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:03,960
all customer.

1103
00:53:04,039 --> 00:53:06,639
Speaker 2: They look fantastic. Though they look like a million bucks.

1104
00:53:06,639 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 5: I think Bob bovi And is corat well, Bob Bovy.

1105
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,199
Speaker 2: Tell me a little bit about Bob Bovian and Brighton.

1106
00:53:11,559 --> 00:53:14,760
Oh right, the personal training only in that are they

1107
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,639
also doing physical therapy in a way they are? Okay,

1108
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:18,280
They're over.

1109
00:53:18,119 --> 00:53:22,119
Speaker 5: At the corner of West Fall and Monroe in a

1110
00:53:22,159 --> 00:53:24,119
little office complex and I think there's an army's right

1111
00:53:24,159 --> 00:53:26,440
next to them or across the street. And so I've

1112
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:28,400
known Bob for years what a great guy and just

1113
00:53:28,559 --> 00:53:31,639
extremely talented and begging me to come see him. Come on,

1114
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:33,599
come on, get again, and I can fix your shoulders.

1115
00:53:33,599 --> 00:53:35,519
I can do this, and so I'll break down thirty

1116
00:53:35,519 --> 00:53:37,960
seconds or last finally broke down. Couldn't swing a golf club,

1117
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,400
which made me miserable, couldn't lift my hands above my head,

1118
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,000
and it made me miserable. Really affected my workouts. I

1119
00:53:43,079 --> 00:53:45,320
love the workout. It's one of my favorite ways to distress.

1120
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:47,960
And it finally gets me in there in May first

1121
00:53:48,039 --> 00:53:51,000
of twenty twenty four, and inside of two weeks, I

1122
00:53:51,079 --> 00:53:54,480
was relatively pain free, getting some flexibility. And I was

1123
00:53:54,519 --> 00:53:58,280
telling you earlier off Mike that this week we started

1124
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:00,960
a new it's like a four week program every four weeks,

1125
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:04,079
so we switch up weights in different exercises. For the

1126
00:54:04,079 --> 00:54:07,360
first time in years, my shoulders became unfrozen to the

1127
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,840
point where I could actually bench press. Wow, and not

1128
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,079
just the wall, not just the uh, the bar.

1129
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 2: What is it that that gets Is it calcium deposits

1130
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:16,920
in the song?

1131
00:54:17,039 --> 00:54:19,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's a lot of an inflammation. The

1132
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:23,400
muscles get tight because they are being used the wrong way,

1133
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:28,039
and your mind is an unbelievable muscle. Your mind will

1134
00:54:28,079 --> 00:54:31,880
protect your body. So yeah, I had no scapular flection.

1135
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,000
I couldn't move, my neck was off. It was like,

1136
00:54:34,159 --> 00:54:36,760
he said, you're an absolute mess. He blamed it on overtraining,

1137
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,039
which is probably true. Only did that for like forty years.

1138
00:54:40,159 --> 00:54:41,800
And he's like, you do how much? And so we

1139
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,760
work out. It's an hour a day, five days a week.

1140
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,360
I got him right there with me, his son, Niki,

1141
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,360
and all the crew over there are awesome. They watch

1142
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:53,239
you like a hawk, and if you miss perform, they

1143
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,960
fix it. I love it. I had my wife who's

1144
00:54:56,039 --> 00:54:58,679
been been too many personally, she loves it. We're there

1145
00:54:58,679 --> 00:55:00,679
at seven am, done by Yeah.

1146
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 2: I know, I'm with your day. Yeah, but it's kind

1147
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,400
of nice having somebody see what you're doing and correcting

1148
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:09,920
it in the moment because that bad habits right. It's

1149
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,159
one of these things where I'm a great hout. I'm

1150
00:55:12,159 --> 00:55:13,840
going to the gym so many days week, but if

1151
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:17,800
you're doing the exercise wrong, you could be doing more

1152
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:18,679
harm to your body.

1153
00:55:19,159 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 5: Bodies taught me is very fragile. His term is inches

1154
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:24,679
and angles. Yeah, and just by moving something three inches

1155
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:28,400
this way, three inches that way, drop it down the angle. Hell,

1156
00:55:28,559 --> 00:55:31,599
he'll find the muscle and the way to work it.

1157
00:55:31,679 --> 00:55:33,079
So shameless plug for.

1158
00:55:33,079 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 2: The well, just say, Bob Bovi's giving you energy. And

1159
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,760
then look, if you need a defense attorney, this is

1160
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,360
the guy, Steve Circu. It's got lots of energy. He

1161
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,360
can now raise his hands above his shoulder when he's

1162
00:55:43,519 --> 00:55:45,840
like yelling and gesticulating in front of a jury. He

1163
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:49,800
can love hisself around. It's all perfect, and he's got

1164
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,360
Circu blue. We're gonna make that a thing.

1165
00:55:52,519 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 5: I love it.

1166
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 2: I gotta make that a thing. All right, we're gonna

1167
00:55:55,199 --> 00:55:57,239
we'll take a moment. Danny and I will be back

1168
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,639
and we'll be talking about a real life Groundhog's day.

1169
00:55:59,639 --> 00:56:01,920
Wait to hear what happened to this young girl while

1170
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,239
in high school. Thanks Steve for coming in. It was

1171
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,840
nice to see you. And we'll get to that right

1172
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:10,400
after this picture. This it's a crisp fall weekend night.

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Trotta the restaurant at the.

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Speaker 4: Armory, Alidnzan the audience slots Snowe's bathed and sweats.

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Speaker 2: He hasn't lost the style since you brought it up earlier, Zanzabar.

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I don't know what happened. Technically, we were on YouTube

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and stuff, and then people were saying there's no sound.

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I went and it does cut out. But I don't

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know why there's nothing on our end. And now the

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cameras aren't connecting to the software we use. I don't

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know what.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, things happen.

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Speaker 1: Technology going on my thing.

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Speaker 2: Well, the bad part is I wanted to talk about

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this real life Groundhowk's day and there's a whole video

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that I, uh, maybe I can pull it up some

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other way, but I wanted to. I love being able

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to show it on the screen. But imagine like having

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a where you relive the same day every day. That's

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not exactly the case here. But this girl in the Midwest,

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she was part of the FFA. You'll know what the

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FFA is. Okay, what is it? Oh? Maybe you don't.

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Did they have it in Silver Creek? I wondered if

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they have it?

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Speaker 3: Hell, I don't think so.

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Speaker 2: Future Farmers of America.

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Speaker 5: No, they didn't have it.

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Speaker 2: We had it, Okay, we had a whole agfare.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, yeah, okay, grape.

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Speaker 2: My brother's cow went into heat started mounting other cows.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So this girl is at an f FA convention.

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Some boy starts bodysurfing and they drop him and he

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lands on her and she has what they believe is

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a head injury, a concussion.

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Speaker 1: Was this like forty first dates?

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Speaker 2: Uh? No, not, well, I don't know, I really don't know. Okay,

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So she goes to the doctor and they say, yeah,

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you have a concussion, and you know, no big deal,

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and they and they leave her. Well after that, I

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think she had like thirty seizures or something. But she

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would wake up every day thinking it was June eleventh

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and she had to get ready for the day dance

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that night, like she just kept reliving that, going right

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back to that in her brain. And they finally took

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her to a brain specialist and they found out I

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don't know what they found out, but through therapy and

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things which made me go. Should we all be doing therapy,

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like like I'm talking about therapy, like where you sit

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with a shrink. I mean therapy where you're I don't know,

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talking about stuff here. This is what is. It's Riley's memory.

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Let me see if I can play this. So this

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is her I love.

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Speaker 9: It, sitting on a quiet, enjoying lunch.

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Speaker 2: I mean I have two things playing at once because

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I'm a technolological taking a wizard day.

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Speaker 1: There resisds a bar when you played it five minutes ago.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, nature, this.

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Speaker 9: Has been Riley's routine for the last seven days.

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Speaker 1: I will pack my things and live in the mountains.

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Speaker 9: But if you ask Riley, it's the first time I

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don't know where I'm at. This constant state of confusion

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is Riley's reality.

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Speaker 4: Like what happened?

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Speaker 1: Like why am I here?

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Speaker 10: Why are we in Utah?

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Speaker 9: Three thousand, eight hundred and forty hours gone?

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Speaker 1: When I try and look back at like not there,

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there's nothing there.

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Speaker 9: To understand Riley's story. We have to go back to

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June eleven at ffa convention and danced in Springfield, Illinois, and.

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Speaker 4: We went and we were like joining up with a

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whole bunch of video.

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Speaker 9: The kid crowdsurfing, he fell and landed on Riley. That's

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when everything went dark.

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Speaker 10: They took her straight to a hospital from the dance.

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They released her and said she was fine.

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Speaker 9: She wasn't.

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Speaker 10: But then once we picked up Riley, she started having

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seizures in our back seat, and obviously we knew something

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was not okay.

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Speaker 9: It was worse than they imagined. The sixteen year old

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had become stuck in a loop of reset. It's like

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I'm broken every two hours a fresh slate, and it's

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just like, what like what happened through five months?

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Speaker 10: He told us that she has a concussion and she'll

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be about her in a couple of days.

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Speaker 9: Five different hospitals and countless doctors.

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Speaker 10: He looked me straight in the face and said, I

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have no idea what's wrong with her?

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Speaker 9: Riley?

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Speaker 2: Like, and the thing is, here's the bad part. Was

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shit with your head? You're nuts? What are you talking about?

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You look normal, you look fine, You're fine, You're fine.

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You don't have a fever, you're not puking. We're not

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holding kids down enough vomiting animal like in Syracuse. That right,

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So that's really kind of the Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's forty first dates.

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Speaker 3: It's Drew Barrymore that whole situation where if you don't

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know that the premise of forty first dates, Adam Sandler

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is dating this woman who you know, her mother's gone,

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Her father and her brother have to repaint her room

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every day because she went and painted it the very

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day that she had this accident, and she has to

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go back and relive the same day over and over again. Well,

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Adam Sandler falls in love with her, so he has

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to reconvince her every day that he is who he

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is until they eventually get married, and all this other stuff.

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Speaker 1: But she has.

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Speaker 3: She wakes up expecting to do the same thing, paint

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her room, go to work this day, all this stuff.

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Speaker 2: You're right, that's that's exactly what it is.

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Speaker 9: You had turned into a medical anomaly.

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Speaker 10: There's no plan for this. It's horrible.

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Speaker 9: All the while, Riley's life had gone on without Riley.

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Speaker 10: People see her as normal and nothing's wrong with her.

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But I see that she's lost half of her junior

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year of high school. She's lost her junior homecoming, she's

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lost friends, she's lost her boyfriend.

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Speaker 9: Life felt hopeless. I'm not the same Riley until one day.

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Speaker 10: Her story went viral.

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Speaker 4: Hope.

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Speaker 10: You know, we've been through all this, We've seen all

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these doctors, we've been to two different states, and now

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we have somebody out in Utah that says they can

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fix her. When we walk through those doors. I said,

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those were the most important doors that she's ever going

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to walk through, because it's gonna be her future back.

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Speaker 9: Riley's mom called it the miracle in the Mountains. Everyone

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else calls it cognitive effects.

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Speaker 3: It's just basic science applied.

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01:04:39,679 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 2: So they do the scan of her brain and they

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find this stuff and she's doing different therapies and remembering things.

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Speaker 9: Here she is memories and I can move on from this.

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And Riley, we're in Utah.

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Speaker 2: She's waking up and her mom's asking her.

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01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:59,119
Speaker 9: You know, she gets her first memory.

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01:05:00,039 --> 01:05:02,079
Speaker 2: It's weird, right, Like we don't know enough about the

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human brain, and it is something where you got this

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healthy looking teenage kid and you go, Jesus Christ, they're

1353
01:05:07,559 --> 01:05:10,960
faking it. Remember when in Leroy when we were doing

1354
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radio they the Turets, Yeah, and you go.

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01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 3: They thought they had pandas or pans disease.

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01:05:16,159 --> 01:05:20,199
Speaker 2: Yes or disorder psychosomatic. Was it real? Was it not?

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And like these girls were probably thought of its crazy

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or making it up.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, all share the same locker room. They

1360
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thought there may have been leaks some toxin yea. And

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all these people on le Roy had women, not guys.

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01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:35,719
Women had some form of turets and they thought, well,

1363
01:05:35,719 --> 01:05:37,920
this is crazy and they said it became pandas And

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01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:39,599
now we haven't heard of the disease in a long

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we haven't.

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Speaker 2: It all just sort of went and went away, right,

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And so you think, is it? But like this, you

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would look at this kid and go, you're you're fucking crazy.

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01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:49,079
Speaker 3: Right, because they look normal. They're not missing an arm, right,

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they don't what I mean, like like you know, down

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01:05:51,199 --> 01:05:54,280
syndrome children have a look to them, you know, I

1372
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mean you someone with a disease who's withering was cancer

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01:05:57,559 --> 01:05:58,760
sometimes you could tell because of.

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Speaker 1: Their hair is not there or what ever.

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Speaker 3: But you don't notice anything when someone has mental illness.

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Speaker 1: No, And that's what's what's I mean.

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Speaker 3: That's the difficult thing.

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01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:10,639
Speaker 1: And this woman like she's lost the truck over.

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Speaker 3: She's getting older, but she's not getting any other in terms.

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Speaker 2: Every day she's getting up to get rid of everything.

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Speaker 3: She's sixteen years old. This big ball.

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01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 1: It's gonna be like four years. I mean it's almost like.

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01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:26,519
Speaker 2: Being it's like Alzheimer's in a way or something or dementia. Yeah, right,

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01:06:26,559 --> 01:06:29,079
all of a sudden you go back, Yeah, hey, tell

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01:06:29,119 --> 01:06:31,840
Bobby I'll be over by five point thirty to pick

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01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:34,199
him up. And don't be late. He's always running late

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and everything. Bobby's been dead for ten years.

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Speaker 3: Ye, Bobby doesn't show, where's Bobby?

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01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:38,519
Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: And your parents gotta explain this.

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01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:42,559
Speaker 3: Then eventually the parents aren't gonna be there to explain everything,

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and whoever is there, let next, has to explain what

1393
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:47,239
happened to the parents, what happened to Bobby, what happened

1394
01:06:47,239 --> 01:06:49,519
to all this other stuff? Yeah, I mean it's it's

1395
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freaking awful. And uh, it's so you know, it's funny

1396
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:56,679
how like this is. This is the first time, like.

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Speaker 1: You know, you see like they call predictive programming. I

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01:06:58,639 --> 01:06:59,800
doubt it's that, but you.

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Speaker 3: See in a movie you're like, oh, thank god, that

1400
01:07:01,719 --> 01:07:03,400
could never happen, and then it happened.

1401
01:07:03,599 --> 01:07:08,400
Speaker 2: I know. This is the thing. Yeah, fell had somebody

1402
01:07:08,639 --> 01:07:10,679
you know, fallen her, gave her a concussion and that's it.

1403
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:17,239
And I remember taking I I'm always very wary of

1404
01:07:18,519 --> 01:07:23,800
uh concussions after my son Jordan, had a couple of

1405
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:26,920
concussions and I wound up taking him to an eye

1406
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:31,039
specialist who specialized in concussions here in where we live.

1407
01:07:31,639 --> 01:07:34,599
And this woman's like, I can tell it's not healed

1408
01:07:34,639 --> 01:07:37,360
because the optic nerve is still damaged in the back.

1409
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:40,400
And they'd give you therapies and different classes and all that,

1410
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:47,039
and I go, there's no way that the NFL. You're

1411
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:50,360
I mean, a concussion does damage every time, but there's

1412
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:54,760
no way, right, Like, these guys are definitely not ready

1413
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:56,800
because this was like months and months and she's like,

1414
01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:58,400
you gotta wait for those optic nerves.

1415
01:07:59,159 --> 01:08:01,559
Speaker 3: Justin Mornell is a great example. Justin moore No played

1416
01:08:01,559 --> 01:08:04,039
for the Minnesota Twins. He played here in Rochester. His

1417
01:08:04,079 --> 01:08:05,800
first game as a red wing, he hit a ball

1418
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:08,639
four hundred and eighty feet foul, like it was amazing.

1419
01:08:08,679 --> 01:08:10,440
He almost hit the train. There was a foul ball,

1420
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:13,440
and he got a concussion stealing second base.

1421
01:08:14,039 --> 01:08:16,680
Speaker 1: He was never the same. His career was pretty much

1422
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:18,600
done at that moment, you know.

1423
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:21,359
Speaker 3: And the same thing happened with Anthony Rizzo last year.

1424
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:24,479
So his now teammate want Soto. It's a pickoff play.

1425
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:27,079
Rizzo is a first baseman. He goes to catch the

1426
01:08:27,119 --> 01:08:30,520
ball and and Soto at the times play for the Potterys.

1427
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:32,920
He accidentally needs him in the head. Right, here's the

1428
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:35,119
best part. He goes out and continues to play with

1429
01:08:35,159 --> 01:08:36,720
the Yankees for a month and a half and he's

1430
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:38,439
slumping and he can't hit the ball and nobody couldigure

1431
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:39,039
out what's wrong.

1432
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:41,039
Speaker 1: This is the New York Yankees.

1433
01:08:41,359 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 3: They have a medical staff, right, he had a concussion

1434
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:46,800
the whole time and they never figured it out.

1435
01:08:47,119 --> 01:08:50,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you look normal, right. Brain. It's like there's

1436
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:53,399
so much stuff I think about the human body that's

1437
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:56,960
being discovered now from DNA that is not coded in

1438
01:08:57,000 --> 01:08:59,960
your body that's there, and what goes on with it

1439
01:09:00,039 --> 01:09:02,279
and what is its purpose and all that stuff to

1440
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:04,279
the stuff with the brain. I just thought this was

1441
01:09:04,319 --> 01:09:05,920
really kind of interesting that you would.

1442
01:09:06,239 --> 01:09:07,880
Speaker 3: I mean, everybody this week is talking about to a

1443
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:09,880
tongue of Ilo coming back. Yeah, and he doesn't want

1444
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:12,399
to wear a skull cap, and everybody's like, I wish

1445
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:15,399
he just retired, and it's like it's his life. But yeah,

1446
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:17,319
I can understand where you're coming from. But it is

1447
01:09:17,359 --> 01:09:19,800
his life, right and who knows if the concussion is

1448
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:21,359
anything to do with the fact that he's made that decision.

1449
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:23,159
You know what I'm saying in other words like has

1450
01:09:23,159 --> 01:09:25,479
he been doing so many times? Yeah, I'm fine, I'm

1451
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:26,439
gonna go back out there.

1452
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1453
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:29,600
Speaker 1: We don't know because there's so much we don't know

1454
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:30,199
about this.

1455
01:09:30,279 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 2: It's crazy and this story is like amazing, and she's

1456
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:36,600
going through so they have her doing these therapies and

1457
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:39,279
memory games, and then they try to distract her, like

1458
01:09:39,319 --> 01:09:41,119
the guy's doing a hula hoop next to her or

1459
01:09:41,159 --> 01:09:44,520
playing music or while she's trying to you know, do

1460
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:48,439
these buttons on there. And I went maybe, like this

1461
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:50,520
shit is good for all of us to be doing.

1462
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:55,359
Like I remember this, I especially saying we we you know,

1463
01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:59,039
your body will compensate for certain things, but your you know,

1464
01:09:59,359 --> 01:10:01,520
your eye you're not looking the right way. It will

1465
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:04,720
affect your driving. If you you know, or you ever

1466
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:07,479
see somebody where they turn their head and the wheel

1467
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:09,560
goes with them, and they look a certain direction and

1468
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:12,720
the wheel goes that way. That's something that shouldn't happen.

1469
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:14,239
You should be able to turn your head and keep

1470
01:10:14,279 --> 01:10:16,479
your car here. But a lot of people do this

1471
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:20,399
with and the hands go. That's something that they can

1472
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:23,279
train you out of. But they have a whole name

1473
01:10:23,399 --> 01:10:26,640
for it. Yeah, and because so many people do m mcfuley.

1474
01:10:26,239 --> 01:10:29,680
Speaker 3: The wrestler who play Mankind right, Yeah, Okay. He says

1475
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:32,119
that his spine is starting to curve. A doctor told

1476
01:10:32,199 --> 01:10:35,439
him though, that the reason why, ope, your head's always

1477
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:37,359
going to be up is because your eyes have to

1478
01:10:37,359 --> 01:10:40,479
be up at all times according to nature. So that's

1479
01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:43,520
why your spine curves, but your head still stays up. Yeah,

1480
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:45,279
you're gonna say, well, howcke You don't just look straight

1481
01:10:45,319 --> 01:10:48,560
down because your eyes are always focused up. So that's

1482
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:50,600
why your body curves the way it does and your

1483
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:53,920
head's up and you have this awkward question mark looking position.

1484
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:56,560
As you age, when the more spinal injuries that you

1485
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:59,920
have and osteoporosis and everything else.

1486
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:02,640
Speaker 2: You gotta start stretching, baby, Yeah, start stretcher.

1487
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:04,760
Speaker 1: Or we're trying to use a what I call it

1488
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:05,600
gravity What is it?

1489
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:07,479
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, the anti gravity thing.

1490
01:11:07,399 --> 01:11:09,920
Speaker 1: Or yeah, the table, the gravity table.

1491
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll take a moment. We're going to try to

1492
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:15,800
get Peter Montmurno to join us. He may be on

1493
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:20,399
the phone. I don't know. We'll see our software reset.

1494
01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:24,079
I can't figure this out. But things in the NFL

1495
01:11:24,279 --> 01:11:28,000
another move with an AFC team. Do we like this?

1496
01:11:28,359 --> 01:11:33,159
Is this a concerning thing? And are the Raiders barking

1497
01:11:33,239 --> 01:11:35,199
up the wrong tree? Probably we'll get to all that

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We are always on to Seattle. That's We're on to Seattle. Uh,

1529
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Peter Monto is joining us?

1530
01:13:42,319 --> 01:13:44,920
Speaker 1: Did Peter Tosh died before or after Bob Marley.

1531
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Speaker 2: Uh after after Peter Tosha's sister, I believe lives in Canadagua.

1532
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Oh wowka, Peter Montemerno is on the line, and uh, Peter,

1533
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:59,920
I apologize for whatever technical difficulty. We normally can get

1534
01:14:00,119 --> 01:14:02,039
on the screen and we could see your handsome face

1535
01:14:02,079 --> 01:14:04,720
and talk that way. But I don't know what happened.

1536
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:07,840
All we were getting calls that are we You couldn't

1537
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:10,079
hear us anymore, and I don't know what happened. So

1538
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:13,239
here we are back. I don't know the old school way.

1539
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The old school way.

1540
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I had a kick hair and makeup out.

1541
01:14:17,119 --> 01:14:21,800
Speaker 2: But I'm sorry about that. In their union too. Anyway,

1542
01:14:22,359 --> 01:14:23,119
I had a fall.

1543
01:14:23,319 --> 01:14:24,319
Speaker 8: I had to pay them fall.

1544
01:14:24,199 --> 01:14:28,760
Speaker 2: The lighting and all that stuff. Uh So, Peter, last week,

1545
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:32,279
let's just take real quick. Did at any point when

1546
01:14:32,319 --> 01:14:34,600
they were down ten nothing and it looked pretty ugly,

1547
01:14:35,319 --> 01:14:37,279
did you ever doubt that they were going to come

1548
01:14:37,319 --> 01:14:40,119
back and pull it all together and kick the ship

1549
01:14:40,159 --> 01:14:41,119
out of Tennessee.

1550
01:14:42,159 --> 01:14:43,439
Speaker 8: I didn't think it was gonna be a kick the

1551
01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:44,840
sh out of it. I knew that I thought they

1552
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:46,399
were going to pull it out, but I didn't think

1553
01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:48,279
it was going to be the difference you saw on

1554
01:14:48,279 --> 01:14:50,760
the score. Everything you saw in the first half was

1555
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:55,199
just folly. It was like JV you know, what do

1556
01:14:55,279 --> 01:14:55,560
you think?

1557
01:14:59,079 --> 01:14:59,279
Speaker 2: You know?

1558
01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:01,800
Speaker 8: It was than anything that the Titans were doing, that's

1559
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:05,159
for sure. I mean the Bills were beating themselves a

1560
01:15:05,199 --> 01:15:08,520
little bit. I mean there's a lot of I don't know,

1561
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:12,560
it's just it seemed like they, uh that were ready.

1562
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:14,640
It was just it's just I don't want to say

1563
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:17,680
I'm prepared. It was just they were going through the motions.

1564
01:15:18,159 --> 01:15:20,199
That's what it felt like. You know, speaking of motion,

1565
01:15:20,359 --> 01:15:22,960
the thing that I was calling for during the first half,

1566
01:15:23,039 --> 01:15:25,960
every time that they come up to the ball and

1567
01:15:26,279 --> 01:15:28,479
Josh is going through the cadence, whether he's under center

1568
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:31,159
or whether he's in the shotgun, there was not a

1569
01:15:31,199 --> 01:15:35,000
lot of three snap motion. And that is important with

1570
01:15:35,079 --> 01:15:38,520
an offense like the Bills have. So you want to

1571
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:40,239
you want to get their defense out of their game.

1572
01:15:40,319 --> 01:15:42,520
You mess with the eye discipline of the linebackers and

1573
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:46,199
the cornerbacks and all those in the d linemen. And

1574
01:15:46,199 --> 01:15:48,359
it wasn't happening. But then I watched a little bit

1575
01:15:48,399 --> 01:15:53,159
of film and sometimes there's some subtle things that you see, uh,

1576
01:15:53,239 --> 01:15:55,000
that you see on the film that you don't see

1577
01:15:56,199 --> 01:15:58,199
h during the live game. They're like, okay that you know,

1578
01:15:58,239 --> 01:16:01,399
I consider that three snap movement and any type of

1579
01:16:01,439 --> 01:16:04,479
movement is going to make someone you know, second guess

1580
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:07,439
or think or have to switch responsibilities and things of

1581
01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:10,319
that nature. So uh, you know, it's just to me

1582
01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:13,880
going through the motions, Bill, I wasn't I wasn't particularly

1583
01:16:14,439 --> 01:16:16,560
fond of what was happening in the first half, but

1584
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:19,159
they did pull together, and you know, you look at

1585
01:16:19,159 --> 01:16:21,279
that one drop that Monti Cooper had in the first

1586
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:23,359
you know, the first drop he had that would have

1587
01:16:23,399 --> 01:16:25,840
extended the drive. Who knows what had happened after that,

1588
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:28,760
but just started off or nobody was on the same page.

1589
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:32,640
Speaker 2: Did you were you impressed with the Marik Cooper stuff

1590
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:34,439
that went on as as time went I on in

1591
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:34,800
the game?

1592
01:16:35,239 --> 01:16:37,119
Speaker 8: I did? I did? I liked it? You know, what

1593
01:16:37,359 --> 01:16:38,960
does he know? How are you going to read up up?

1594
01:16:39,199 --> 01:16:43,640
How are you going to get you know, comfortable with

1595
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:47,199
the playbook in that short amount of time without actually

1596
01:16:47,239 --> 01:16:50,600
having live reps and full speed reps and all those

1597
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:53,800
types of things in practice, you can only do so

1598
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:55,960
much in practice now as what the CBA does, and

1599
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:58,079
I have a whole theory about what how the CVA

1600
01:16:58,159 --> 01:17:02,560
is in football. But anyway, I think he did real

1601
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:05,520
good and I think Josh Allen's touchdown throw to him

1602
01:17:06,039 --> 01:17:10,640
was fantastic. And I watched the replay. On the television replay,

1603
01:17:11,399 --> 01:17:14,359
they did not get into how amazing that throw was

1604
01:17:14,399 --> 01:17:16,359
and why it was. When you look on the film,

1605
01:17:16,399 --> 01:17:20,039
man Allen is really good and delivering that football. And

1606
01:17:20,039 --> 01:17:21,880
there's a reason why I can definitely talk about it

1607
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:22,680
as we go through.

1608
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:26,159
Speaker 2: This is uh. I mean, it's kind of an exciting time.

1609
01:17:26,239 --> 01:17:27,239
Look would you see.

1610
01:17:27,079 --> 01:17:30,199
Speaker 3: On the touchdown, we're like where her body? Tour looks

1611
01:17:30,399 --> 01:17:34,159
the body tor Abotie Cooper looks at who's been in

1612
01:17:34,159 --> 01:17:35,439
the league maybe five minutes?

1613
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:36,600
Speaker 1: Hey what do I do?

1614
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:37,239
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1615
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 1: And he points it just runs just run straight, boom that.

1616
01:17:43,479 --> 01:17:43,640
Speaker 8: Lot.

1617
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:44,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

1618
01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:48,000
Speaker 8: And the and the best part of that uh play

1619
01:17:48,199 --> 01:17:51,840
for Allen was that they had Titan said they have

1620
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:54,119
a safety right, so it cover zero no safety in

1621
01:17:54,159 --> 01:17:56,239
the middle of the field, so everybody is in man coverage.

1622
01:17:56,920 --> 01:17:59,880
And what the defense did They were trying to abate

1623
01:18:00,159 --> 01:18:05,199
Allen to throw one of his rockets through the mid

1624
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:07,960
piss missiles through the middle of the field. Well, what

1625
01:18:08,039 --> 01:18:11,000
they did was they dropped their defensive line, a couple

1626
01:18:11,039 --> 01:18:12,760
of them back to the middle of the field. So

1627
01:18:13,079 --> 01:18:14,600
you think your D line is thinking to be in

1628
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:16,760
the middle of the field. So they brought some backers

1629
01:18:17,119 --> 01:18:18,920
and they dropped the d lineman in the middle of

1630
01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:23,159
the field, messing with Allen's eide discipline. But he saw

1631
01:18:23,199 --> 01:18:25,560
it and he floated that ball to Cooper. If he

1632
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:30,520
fires it, yeah, that's an interception that he's The timing

1633
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:33,720
on that throw was excellent by Alan excellent.

1634
01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:38,720
Speaker 2: It's amazing because I feel like the AFC now, I

1635
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:42,039
don't know that I thought this seven weeks ago or whatever,

1636
01:18:42,119 --> 01:18:44,800
five weeks or six weeks ageld that that they may

1637
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:51,199
be the toughest division. Again. We had the NFC was

1638
01:18:51,239 --> 01:18:54,199
pretty impressive in the first couple of games, but I

1639
01:18:54,359 --> 01:18:58,079
was like, damn, man, now you've got uh you had

1640
01:18:59,039 --> 01:19:03,239
the trade with the Mark right, but now DeAndre Hopkins

1641
01:19:03,319 --> 01:19:07,880
going to the Chiefs and the Chiefs are undefeated as

1642
01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:11,079
it is. I don't know if this makes them significantly

1643
01:19:11,119 --> 01:19:13,199
better or not. They seem to be a pretty good

1644
01:19:13,279 --> 01:19:16,000
defensive team, but this seems to be able to sort

1645
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:18,119
of keep their defense off the field a little bit.

1646
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:21,239
And DeAndre Hopkins as I was watching, I said to somebody,

1647
01:19:21,279 --> 01:19:24,319
as we're watching the game, man, there's DeAndre Hopkins. They go,

1648
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:27,840
what he's on the Titans? Like people didn't even remember? Yeah,

1649
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:30,680
people forgot, Yeah, and he was You never heard his name.

1650
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:33,039
You didn't hear his name in Buffalo, not much.

1651
01:19:34,239 --> 01:19:37,720
Speaker 8: So I don't know what that case. Game Mahomes did

1652
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:39,319
not have. The offense does not have a good game.

1653
01:19:39,399 --> 01:19:42,439
Mahomes didn't have a good game, no at all. It

1654
01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:44,800
was you have to highlight that thirty yard run. I

1655
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:45,960
still don't know how he got out of it.

1656
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:50,079
Speaker 3: The linebacker was afraid to hit him because if you

1657
01:19:50,159 --> 01:19:51,680
hit Mahomes or you get flagged.

1658
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:56,039
Speaker 2: Some people call them that an absolute trash play.

1659
01:19:56,319 --> 01:20:00,239
Speaker 3: Travesty Twight Freedi went off about him on his podcast.

1660
01:20:00,319 --> 01:20:03,720
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's you know, that was the one

1661
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:06,760
play he had, the one highlight. But he had bad interceptions,

1662
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:09,600
He wasn't seeing the field well and yeah, he did

1663
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:12,720
not look good. So the defense is running that Kansas

1664
01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:16,680
City team right now that their defense is winning football games,

1665
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:19,199
and that's the biggest difference. Deandrew Hopkins will make them

1666
01:20:19,199 --> 01:20:20,720
a little better, sure, but I don't know if it's

1667
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:24,000
going to be this drastic change. They're already six and zero.

1668
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:27,319
He has to distribute the football. It's just one guy,

1669
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:29,640
you know. I hate sounding like McDermott, but it is

1670
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:33,319
just one guy. Although he is great, he is just

1671
01:20:33,359 --> 01:20:34,560
one eleventh.

1672
01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:37,720
Speaker 2: So we saw one guy go to the Jets, and

1673
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:43,159
the Jets they were better, but they didn't win. Right,

1674
01:20:43,239 --> 01:20:45,920
DeVante Adams, Right, what we're you gonna say?

1675
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:48,319
Speaker 8: Go ahead?

1676
01:20:48,119 --> 01:20:48,720
Speaker 1: No, go ahead?

1677
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:53,399
Speaker 11: Perot Well with the Jets, I mean that that article

1678
01:20:53,399 --> 01:20:55,800
that came out in the Post this week about Aaron

1679
01:20:55,880 --> 01:21:00,720
Rodgers saying the team has to summon its darkest anger

1680
01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:03,399
to get over these.

1681
01:21:03,159 --> 01:21:06,560
Speaker 8: Anger issues, or they have to summon their darkest place

1682
01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:09,640
to get over these anger issues. I actually just looked

1683
01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:12,119
at the headline. I'm like, I'm not wasting time reading it.

1684
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:14,239
So I don't know what Batman.

1685
01:21:16,159 --> 01:21:18,880
Speaker 2: Well, there's something going Yeah, it sounds like they've they've

1686
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:20,079
got it their dysfunctional in.

1687
01:21:20,119 --> 01:21:22,960
Speaker 3: My darkness retreat, I learned you know, you know, you

1688
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:29,159
have to make yourself angry. So dan Orlosky tweeted this

1689
01:21:29,239 --> 01:21:32,000
out today, and you know, we have these advanced stats.

1690
01:21:32,079 --> 01:21:34,920
Everything appro like more stats now that we've ever had before,

1691
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:36,079
even five ten years ago.

1692
01:21:36,119 --> 01:21:38,479
Speaker 1: Pete right so Orlosky tweets this out.

1693
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:41,640
Speaker 3: This is pretty poignant because biggest question for me with

1694
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:45,960
the hop addition to Casey, how quickly Patrick Mahomes gets

1695
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:49,119
comfortable with throwing into a covered guy to make sure

1696
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:52,560
d Hop gets his one on one chances.

1697
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:53,199
Speaker 2: And here's what.

1698
01:21:53,319 --> 01:21:57,560
Speaker 3: Here's the stat throwing into tight windows this season attempts

1699
01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:00,720
per game two point one by Mahomes.

1700
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:02,039
Speaker 1: That's last in the NFL.

1701
01:22:02,319 --> 01:22:09,039
Speaker 3: Completion percentage fifteen percent, that's thirtieth. So you know, in

1702
01:22:09,079 --> 01:22:11,840
other words, like you know, de Hop's gonna want the ball,

1703
01:22:12,119 --> 01:22:15,520
but he's not getting separation and if he even if

1704
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:16,880
he so, are you gonna go to a war?

1705
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:17,239
Speaker 2: Are you so?

1706
01:22:17,319 --> 01:22:18,560
Speaker 1: Are you gonna throw to this dude?

1707
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:18,680
Speaker 11: Are you?

1708
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:20,680
Speaker 3: Are you gonna throw the double coverage of somebody else

1709
01:22:21,279 --> 01:22:23,079
if he's, if he's, if it's too tight?

1710
01:22:27,039 --> 01:22:30,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say that too. But is DeAndre Hopkins

1711
01:22:30,039 --> 01:22:31,800
one of these divas that get me the ball?

1712
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:32,199
Speaker 3: Yeah? He's.

1713
01:22:32,279 --> 01:22:34,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's gonna be one of the yea, yeah, I

1714
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:35,279
want the ball.

1715
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:38,840
Speaker 3: I mean, when when a receiver has been on multiple teams.

1716
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:42,520
You know, I'm not talking to like Tyreek Kell right now.

1717
01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:45,760
It's suffering in Miami because no one's getting him the football.

1718
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:47,680
I could feel for that guy. I don't love him

1719
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:49,680
as a person off the field. On the field, though,

1720
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:52,159
I understand what he's going through. De Hop is now

1721
01:22:52,159 --> 01:22:55,279
on what his fourth team. He's been on Houston, He's

1722
01:22:55,319 --> 01:22:59,640
been in Arizona, Tennessee, and like, by the way, he

1723
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:01,680
was al the last year and nobody wanted them.

1724
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:03,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought for sure the Bills were going to

1725
01:23:03,159 --> 01:23:04,119
take him. Yeah I did.

1726
01:23:04,199 --> 01:23:06,079
Speaker 1: They didn't want him no, like even though.

1727
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:07,840
Speaker 3: Dell Beckham junior, well he had the injury, but still

1728
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:09,520
he was like he was going from place to place

1729
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:11,720
because he could be a pain in the neck, you know.

1730
01:23:12,199 --> 01:23:14,600
So these were Now look at Stefan Diggs, right, he's

1731
01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:17,199
on his third team. He was causing problems last week

1732
01:23:17,239 --> 01:23:19,880
in Green Bay before the game, during the game, Well.

1733
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:22,039
Speaker 2: That whole thing, like I don't know what it never

1734
01:23:22,119 --> 01:23:26,520
said what that was, but he it was, yeah, go ahead.

1735
01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:28,800
Speaker 8: I think it was with the d back in Green Bay.

1736
01:23:29,079 --> 01:23:30,399
What's his name, DeAndre?

1737
01:23:32,319 --> 01:23:32,399
Speaker 3: Not?

1738
01:23:34,279 --> 01:23:36,439
Speaker 8: Oh goodness, anyway, then his name will come to me.

1739
01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:40,479
But it felt like it started between him and the

1740
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:41,720
Dbacco there.

1741
01:23:44,159 --> 01:23:49,880
Speaker 11: My tongue, Well it started wire Alexander Alexander.

1742
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:52,319
Speaker 2: What what what it was said to cause this? I

1743
01:23:52,319 --> 01:23:55,079
don't know. But he said afterwards, I don't give a fuck.

1744
01:23:55,159 --> 01:23:56,479
I'm not going to be the bigger man.

1745
01:23:56,680 --> 01:23:58,760
Speaker 1: I'm never the bigger man, never the bigger man.

1746
01:23:58,840 --> 01:23:59,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm never the bigger man.

1747
01:24:00,079 --> 01:24:01,319
Speaker 3: We're all like, yeah, we know, Oh.

1748
01:24:01,239 --> 01:24:05,399
Speaker 2: My gosh, we all know. Yeah, I'm never the bigger man.

1749
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:12,319
And I'm not for this tough this football tough guy bullshit. Okay,

1750
01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:14,960
So I don't know what that means. And uh, they

1751
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:17,279
want to, you know, basically fuck around. I'm gonna I'm

1752
01:24:17,319 --> 01:24:19,800
gonna show up. So I don't know if something was said.

1753
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:21,760
Now I thought there was a rumor there is. There

1754
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:25,000
is a rumor. There's a rumor about him drugging somebody.

1755
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:27,520
Speaker 3: Trying to drug a dude and the dude kind of like,

1756
01:24:27,560 --> 01:24:30,279
you know, you snapped out of it, and he's like

1757
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:32,520
like like like as if stephan On Diggs wants to

1758
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:35,159
like get with this guy and he prevented it from happening.

1759
01:24:35,319 --> 01:24:37,560
Speaker 2: And people were wondering if that was mentioned on the

1760
01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:39,439
field to him and that's what set him off. But

1761
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:42,079
then you've got the I don't think the head coach

1762
01:24:42,079 --> 01:24:44,159
of the Texans tolerates that kind of ship.

1763
01:24:44,279 --> 01:24:47,399
Speaker 1: Ryan's I don't think so, and he said, ry have receivers.

1764
01:24:47,399 --> 01:24:48,079
I don't need you.

1765
01:24:48,119 --> 01:24:52,319
Speaker 2: Well, he said right after the the incident, his side

1766
01:24:52,319 --> 01:24:54,239
of it was, this isn't what we do. We don't chirp,

1767
01:24:54,359 --> 01:24:56,960
we you know, take it out on the field. That's

1768
01:24:56,960 --> 01:24:59,319
how we play whatever, you know, what a coach you

1769
01:24:59,359 --> 01:25:01,560
would expect to coaches say. But the other thing is

1770
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:05,479
they're not scoring as many points. Look, you can say

1771
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:09,279
maybe the people defenses have figure them out. C J.

1772
01:25:09,439 --> 01:25:12,560
Stroud is in his sophomore season now, right, so you know,

1773
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:14,960
maybe there's some of that stuff. But they're saying he's

1774
01:25:15,279 --> 01:25:21,079
they're scoring less and throwing for shorter discards and distances.

1775
01:25:21,199 --> 01:25:22,880
Speaker 1: If you look at the Home of Stats this year,

1776
01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:23,840
they're not that good.

1777
01:25:23,880 --> 01:25:26,760
Speaker 2: Well, this is Stroud we're talking about. But you know, sorry,

1778
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:30,199
that's okay, it's just Stroud. That's what you meant, okay,

1779
01:25:30,239 --> 01:25:32,760
because Stroud is the quarterback for the Texas, And I

1780
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:37,079
go okay, And they're sort of saying, like, I guess

1781
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:41,800
that Stefan hasn't had the impact expected. I don't know.

1782
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:45,279
In other words, are they having buyers remorse.

1783
01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:49,920
Speaker 8: That he may have been to too many t didty

1784
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:52,600
parties with the whole drug thing. Hear that one. Wow,

1785
01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:57,760
that's I don't know if one, but yeah, that's the story.

1786
01:25:58,840 --> 01:26:01,479
But yeah, I don't.

1787
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:01,800
Speaker 2: I don't.

1788
01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:04,640
Speaker 8: Again, he's not sitting the world on fire. And his

1789
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:07,880
game is declined. I don't think it's just a quarterback.

1790
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:10,800
You know, we learned that in Buffalo. I think his

1791
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:12,800
game is just declined. I think he lost the step

1792
01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:19,000
I don't know, he's just not the the overtime catching

1793
01:26:19,079 --> 01:26:22,039
Minnesota to beat the Saints type of digs anymore. I

1794
01:26:22,079 --> 01:26:22,560
don't think so.

1795
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:24,960
Speaker 3: By the way, that was like six years five, six

1796
01:26:25,039 --> 01:26:27,920
years ago exactly, I mean that that was a long

1797
01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:30,279
time ago. I mean, Stephan, he's getting older. I mean

1798
01:26:30,319 --> 01:26:32,760
the second half of last year he wasn't getting open.

1799
01:26:33,199 --> 01:26:35,439
Speaker 1: That's not my fault. That's just the way things are going,

1800
01:26:36,359 --> 01:26:37,399
really really, Steph.

1801
01:26:37,439 --> 01:26:39,720
Speaker 3: So when you get your chance in that playoff game,

1802
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:42,640
the ball hits him in the hands and he looks

1803
01:26:42,680 --> 01:26:45,079
back at Alan, at the guy he's ripped on a

1804
01:26:45,159 --> 01:26:47,319
year earlier in that spot, and he holds his fingers

1805
01:26:47,319 --> 01:26:51,439
and close time ago. Time to go, Steph. Now you

1806
01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:55,239
got Cooper, who's a consummate professional. You know, everybody like

1807
01:26:55,640 --> 01:26:57,399
raves about what a pro this guy is. You know,

1808
01:26:57,439 --> 01:27:00,079
we'll see it unfold. It's only but one game. But

1809
01:27:00,199 --> 01:27:02,439
I mean, I think the Bills at at the very least,

1810
01:27:02,479 --> 01:27:04,760
are at least equal to what they were last year.

1811
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:07,520
With Stefon Diggs in the saddle. They might be a

1812
01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:09,600
little bit better because if you remember last couple of years,

1813
01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:13,159
they had to break John Brown and Cole Beasley back

1814
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:16,279
like basically out of retirement to come play wide receiver.

1815
01:27:16,279 --> 01:27:18,560
At least, now you got Coleman, he's young. You got

1816
01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:20,880
Dalton Kincaid's a big ten who. By the way, Peter

1817
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:24,079
had a nice game with Cooper there in the lineup too.

1818
01:27:24,399 --> 01:27:26,439
So I mean, if those are your two targets and.

1819
01:27:26,399 --> 01:27:29,640
Speaker 1: Then you got Coleman on the other side, this guy's

1820
01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:30,000
the limit.

1821
01:27:30,119 --> 01:27:31,279
Speaker 3: Now things have changed.

1822
01:27:31,399 --> 01:27:33,680
Speaker 8: I'll take it. I'll take it they're getting more Coman's

1823
01:27:33,720 --> 01:27:37,199
getting more confidence, you know, his first year, and that's

1824
01:27:37,239 --> 01:27:40,920
getting way more confidence with that receiver command that was him.

1825
01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:42,760
I'd be like, my god, I mean, playing with a

1826
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:45,600
guy named Cooper, who could teach me, you know, one

1827
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:49,399
of the great fun just the little intricacies that matter

1828
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:53,000
so much in games. And then you got Kinka, who's

1829
01:27:53,039 --> 01:27:54,760
going to be in a different spot now with Cooper

1830
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:57,079
out there in terms of getting open and now you

1831
01:27:57,199 --> 01:27:59,000
force the defense. What are we going to play here?

1832
01:27:59,039 --> 01:28:00,920
How are we going to do? He's own up on Cooper.

1833
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:02,680
Do we man him up? It's going to be, you know,

1834
01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:06,239
the whole scheme changes. Yes, it's only one guy. If

1835
01:28:06,319 --> 01:28:09,680
that one guy can change a lot of schemes, and uh,

1836
01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:13,279
you know, well we can't. I hate comparing to Kansas City,

1837
01:28:13,319 --> 01:28:15,760
but Andy Reeve is going to finally get the most

1838
01:28:15,800 --> 01:28:18,079
he can out of DeAndre Hopkins. He's going to we

1839
01:28:18,680 --> 01:28:20,680
just see it whenever. You know, it's almost like a

1840
01:28:20,680 --> 01:28:21,319
plug and play.

1841
01:28:21,560 --> 01:28:26,840
Speaker 2: But I'm laughing at you. I have thoughts, well because

1842
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:29,159
I wish this is why I wish Peter was on camera,

1843
01:28:29,239 --> 01:28:32,239
because he could see you, Danny. Danny gets all excited,

1844
01:28:32,239 --> 01:28:33,960
he gets all wound up, and he starts waving his

1845
01:28:33,960 --> 01:28:35,479
finger like and.

1846
01:28:35,319 --> 01:28:36,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's to Peter's point.

1847
01:28:37,279 --> 01:28:40,399
Speaker 2: I know. It's always when Danny's podcast Peter's point, and

1848
01:28:40,439 --> 01:28:43,920
he's always going wait, wait, one more thing I just

1849
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:44,560
made me laugh.

1850
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:48,199
Speaker 3: Well no, because okay, so take sure, yeah, I know right.

1851
01:28:48,239 --> 01:28:50,840
So they're playing they're playing Seattle this week. It's sales

1852
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:54,560
run defense. Ain't that good? It's it's just not And

1853
01:28:54,720 --> 01:28:56,920
I said to Peter last week via text, you know,

1854
01:28:57,199 --> 01:29:00,359
once they grabbed you know Mark Cooper, you like, Okay,

1855
01:29:00,399 --> 01:29:02,680
So you have Cooper and you have Coleman, right, and

1856
01:29:02,720 --> 01:29:04,760
you also you also have a tight end that everybody

1857
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:07,399
seems to forget because he has become forgettable. And that's

1858
01:29:07,439 --> 01:29:09,159
Dawson Knox and you're paying him an awful lot of

1859
01:29:09,159 --> 01:29:11,640
money to catch every other pass thrown to him, which he,

1860
01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:14,760
of course is still on pace doing. But can you imagine, Peter,

1861
01:29:15,119 --> 01:29:16,800
you have a rotation of running backs. Now you got

1862
01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:20,159
three solid running backs. You have Cook Davis has really emerged.

1863
01:29:20,640 --> 01:29:21,960
Speaker 1: Tim Jackson has.

1864
01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:23,600
Speaker 3: Been able to come out of the backfield and catch balls,

1865
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:25,560
and he's able to spell these guys too. Now can

1866
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:27,279
you imagine if they ran an offense with two tight

1867
01:29:27,359 --> 01:29:30,520
ends and two super wide receivers and then one of

1868
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:32,640
those three in the backfield going up against Seattle. You

1869
01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:34,319
don't know, Seattle's gonna be like, what are they gonna do.

1870
01:29:34,479 --> 01:29:36,359
They're gonna throw here. They're gonna because you could throw

1871
01:29:36,359 --> 01:29:38,359
a four different guys. You could stay in and block

1872
01:29:38,640 --> 01:29:41,319
and run the ball either way. I mean, I mean,

1873
01:29:41,960 --> 01:29:45,159
if Dawson Knox could catch the ball consistently, they have

1874
01:29:45,199 --> 01:29:47,359
the best offense in the league hands down.

1875
01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:49,039
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1876
01:29:49,239 --> 01:29:51,720
Speaker 8: Yeah. And I think Davis and No, No, he's a

1877
01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:54,560
guy that I mean, he's not gonna let up. This

1878
01:29:54,640 --> 01:29:58,279
guy just looks for contact, likes to run through, loves physicality.

1879
01:29:58,880 --> 01:30:01,239
You know, he's the Northwest guy, is the North South guy.

1880
01:30:01,279 --> 01:30:03,560
He's an East West guy, and that's the kind of

1881
01:30:03,560 --> 01:30:05,399
guy you need in that kind of offense. I think

1882
01:30:06,039 --> 01:30:08,640
he's not three down back, but man, he packs a

1883
01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:10,720
punch and you're not gonna be able to as as

1884
01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:13,079
tiny as he is in terms of height, you can't

1885
01:30:13,119 --> 01:30:15,880
take him down with with just by our tackle. He

1886
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:18,079
is really fierce. He's going to be getting better and

1887
01:30:18,159 --> 01:30:20,600
better each week. I'm really happy that guy. They don't

1888
01:30:20,640 --> 01:30:21,199
after that guy.

1889
01:30:21,880 --> 01:30:24,520
Speaker 2: It's amazing. And I know that we can talk about

1890
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:27,880
certain GMS, and maybe the GM for Kansas City is

1891
01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:29,359
maybe the best. I have no idea.

1892
01:30:29,399 --> 01:30:31,159
Speaker 3: I think it's Rosemen, not a Philadelphia to be honest

1893
01:30:31,159 --> 01:30:31,439
with you.

1894
01:30:31,439 --> 01:30:35,119
Speaker 2: But I'm watching. I mean, Bean is right there. He's

1895
01:30:35,159 --> 01:30:40,439
done some amazing moves, especially the drafts. Right when we're

1896
01:30:40,479 --> 01:30:42,600
talking about two guys that they drafted that are getting

1897
01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:45,479
better and better that Davis is like, I think he's.

1898
01:30:45,359 --> 01:30:47,439
Speaker 3: Done relatively well. And Peter, you might want to weigh

1899
01:30:47,439 --> 01:30:49,000
on this too. I think he's done relatively well at

1900
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:51,640
certain positions. And in other words, he sucked like a

1901
01:30:51,680 --> 01:30:54,920
wide receiver, he has a He's Coleman's the first real

1902
01:30:54,960 --> 01:30:56,039
wide receiver he's drafted.

1903
01:30:56,079 --> 01:30:57,479
Speaker 1: He insecure, right.

1904
01:30:57,479 --> 01:30:59,520
Speaker 3: Yes, he drafted Isaiah Hodgins, who isn't even I don't

1905
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:01,880
even know if he's playing right now. They haven't really

1906
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:04,199
succeeded drafting, you know, any other position now. The Bills

1907
01:31:04,239 --> 01:31:06,720
have been in position where they're drafting later, so it's

1908
01:31:06,720 --> 01:31:09,479
harder to find, you know, those skill positioned players. But

1909
01:31:09,560 --> 01:31:11,720
you gotta remember Stephan Diggs was actually a third or

1910
01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:13,279
fourth round pick or something like that.

1911
01:31:13,560 --> 01:31:14,760
Speaker 1: So they it can be done.

1912
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:17,479
Speaker 3: Gabe Davis was a fourth round pick, you know, but

1913
01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:18,800
they haven't succeeded it.

1914
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:22,239
Speaker 1: They've succeeded at sub positions and not others. I don't know, Pete,

1915
01:31:22,239 --> 01:31:22,760
what do you think.

1916
01:31:24,079 --> 01:31:26,600
Speaker 8: I mean, yeah, I mean they haven't hit on everything,

1917
01:31:26,640 --> 01:31:28,640
you know, And I always say that with the draft,

1918
01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:30,600
you gotta wait for three years. You got to wait

1919
01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:32,399
for three years to see how that draft three years

1920
01:31:32,439 --> 01:31:35,640
ago actually was. But yeah, I mean, so far there

1921
01:31:35,680 --> 01:31:38,840
have been some misses, completenesses. But then you know, he's

1922
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:40,560
done good in the trade market, and I have to

1923
01:31:40,560 --> 01:31:42,439
get that he's done good in the trade market. And

1924
01:31:43,560 --> 01:31:44,239
are they done?

1925
01:31:44,319 --> 01:31:44,760
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1926
01:31:45,359 --> 01:31:47,279
Speaker 8: I think there's still need someone defensively with all the

1927
01:31:47,279 --> 01:31:50,439
injuries that they have. Again, I don't know is Molano

1928
01:31:50,520 --> 01:31:52,560
coming back? Are they saying he's coming back, is he

1929
01:31:52,640 --> 01:31:55,159
progressing to come back, or is he out for the year.

1930
01:31:56,159 --> 01:31:58,439
Speaker 3: So I forgot who it was that there's a there's

1931
01:31:58,439 --> 01:32:01,239
a reporter from Fox saying the Bills we're looking around

1932
01:32:01,239 --> 01:32:03,399
the league for a tight end and a linebacker. And

1933
01:32:03,439 --> 01:32:05,279
I don't know if that spells that Mlonald's going to

1934
01:32:05,319 --> 01:32:07,039
come back or not going to come back.

1935
01:32:07,079 --> 01:32:09,399
Speaker 1: But if he does come back, it'll probably be December.

1936
01:32:11,119 --> 01:32:14,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I mean, yeah, but if the guy gets

1937
01:32:14,279 --> 01:32:16,920
hurt like early in the season, he's out like last year,

1938
01:32:17,079 --> 01:32:18,000
would you rather get him.

1939
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:19,720
Speaker 1: Hurt like early in the year like he did, and

1940
01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:20,840
then get him back late.

1941
01:32:21,039 --> 01:32:23,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean if he's but as long as there's

1942
01:32:23,399 --> 01:32:24,920
not too much rust, right.

1943
01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:27,119
Speaker 3: I mean he could he Yeah, he could theoretically come

1944
01:32:27,159 --> 01:32:29,840
back and just not be that good. Peop already talk

1945
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:31,079
about put him in the starting position.

1946
01:32:31,119 --> 01:32:32,640
Speaker 1: It's like, well, can he still go?

1947
01:32:33,800 --> 01:32:34,319
Speaker 2: Peter Wood?

1948
01:32:34,479 --> 01:32:36,560
Speaker 8: And I think that he looked for a safety too.

1949
01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:38,039
I don't. I don't think ham When I love the

1950
01:32:38,079 --> 01:32:40,960
Hamlin story, everybody does. It's real, but from a you know,

1951
01:32:41,439 --> 01:32:43,920
just from a football standpoint, I don't think he's just

1952
01:32:43,960 --> 01:32:47,359
starting safety in this in the NFL. Yes, he had

1953
01:32:47,399 --> 01:32:49,560
a he had an interception to give him that he's

1954
01:32:49,720 --> 01:32:53,359
too he's in the right spot. Well, yeah, he had

1955
01:32:53,359 --> 01:32:55,319
wanted to pastay.

1956
01:32:55,880 --> 01:32:59,600
Speaker 3: To this to this season, but he's the right place

1957
01:32:59,640 --> 01:33:03,439
at the time. Now people would say, oh, yeah, that's fantastical. No,

1958
01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:06,119
I mean according to the tape guys, they're all saying

1959
01:33:06,399 --> 01:33:08,760
he's playing solid football.

1960
01:33:08,439 --> 01:33:09,640
Speaker 1: Like he's making tackles.

1961
01:33:09,680 --> 01:33:12,000
Speaker 3: But like that one play against the Jets, if Taylor,

1962
01:33:12,039 --> 01:33:14,840
if Tyler Rapp doesn't show up and hit the receiver,

1963
01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:16,880
I think lazarn on that play, that's a touchdown.

1964
01:33:16,920 --> 01:33:17,199
Speaker 5: Hamone.

1965
01:33:17,199 --> 01:33:18,279
Speaker 1: Does it get to him in time.

1966
01:33:19,159 --> 01:33:22,039
Speaker 8: Yeah, the angles he's taken aren't great. And and you know,

1967
01:33:22,199 --> 01:33:24,960
I look at it where look at all these pieces

1968
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:27,560
they're going to be put together. I'm glad the trade

1969
01:33:27,560 --> 01:33:29,600
deadline is when it is they got. I'm glad they

1970
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:34,760
got Cooper when they did, because after this WEEKLI obviously

1971
01:33:34,840 --> 01:33:36,520
got Miami and the Colts, but then you got a

1972
01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:42,399
string of Casey, San Francisco, the Rams in Detroit. I mean,

1973
01:33:42,479 --> 01:33:45,640
my got going into four games in a row, mixing

1974
01:33:45,680 --> 01:33:48,079
a bye week in the middle of there. But man,

1975
01:33:48,119 --> 01:33:50,039
they got to be on all cylinders for those games.

1976
01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:53,000
They really do. And I know San Francisco is hurt,

1977
01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:56,239
but that's in December. People are gonna get healthy by them.

1978
01:33:56,520 --> 01:33:58,640
Speaker 3: I think they can win them all. But yeah, because

1979
01:33:58,680 --> 01:34:01,640
I think here here's the thing. They played down.

1980
01:34:02,199 --> 01:34:04,279
Speaker 1: They have a history of. They played down against Tennessee

1981
01:34:04,319 --> 01:34:05,039
in the first half.

1982
01:34:05,439 --> 01:34:07,720
Speaker 3: And by the way, if Tennessee doesn't execute that fourth

1983
01:34:07,720 --> 01:34:10,039
and one to start the second half, you know you,

1984
01:34:10,920 --> 01:34:13,600
I mean, they had a first down on that second down,

1985
01:34:14,079 --> 01:34:15,760
They may have had a first down on first down.

1986
01:34:15,920 --> 01:34:16,760
Speaker 1: They didn't give it to him.

1987
01:34:16,760 --> 01:34:18,199
Speaker 3: It was a horrible spot.

1988
01:34:18,079 --> 01:34:18,880
Speaker 1: And they took a chance.

1989
01:34:18,880 --> 01:34:20,560
Speaker 3: They threw the ball in second down didn't work, and

1990
01:34:20,640 --> 01:34:21,920
third down, and then all of a sudden they go

1991
01:34:21,960 --> 01:34:23,960
for a fourth down and they ran a running play

1992
01:34:23,960 --> 01:34:26,199
into the Bills defense and they stopped him. The Bills

1993
01:34:26,239 --> 01:34:28,039
score and then the wheels came off. That was the

1994
01:34:28,039 --> 01:34:30,279
turning point. But if they get that there, they might

1995
01:34:30,319 --> 01:34:31,039
drive down the field.

1996
01:34:31,079 --> 01:34:31,279
Speaker 2: Score.

1997
01:34:31,319 --> 01:34:33,359
Speaker 1: We got a different ball game, So the.

1998
01:34:33,359 --> 01:34:35,600
Speaker 3: Bill's got to stop they And by the way, they

1999
01:34:35,640 --> 01:34:37,039
won the toss and took the ball.

2000
01:34:37,079 --> 01:34:37,520
Speaker 1: Buffalo.

2001
01:34:37,800 --> 01:34:40,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, usually.

2002
01:34:41,720 --> 01:34:43,920
Speaker 3: They won the toss and took the ball. They gotta

2003
01:34:43,920 --> 01:34:46,439
stop playing down. I don't think they'll play down at Seattle.

2004
01:34:46,920 --> 01:34:49,560
I don't think I think they could play down against Indianapolis.

2005
01:34:49,760 --> 01:34:51,920
They won't play down against Kansas City. They won't play

2006
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:55,319
down against San Francisco. But you know, anybody could sneak

2007
01:34:55,359 --> 01:34:57,359
in there if they're not, if they don't have their

2008
01:34:57,359 --> 01:34:57,760
a game.

2009
01:34:58,199 --> 01:34:59,600
Speaker 2: How do you like him against Seattle?

2010
01:34:59,600 --> 01:35:03,399
Speaker 8: Peter, I like him against Seattle. I got momentum coming

2011
01:35:03,399 --> 01:35:07,079
out of this game. Uh yeah, I don't know Seattle.

2012
01:35:07,119 --> 01:35:09,159
I feel like they're conundrum. It's hard to play in

2013
01:35:09,159 --> 01:35:11,640
that building they are. I was there once to watch

2014
01:35:11,680 --> 01:35:13,600
the game of My God, it's the loudest building I've

2015
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:18,399
ever outdoor, outdoor venue, I've ever been out loudest. Yeah

2016
01:35:18,439 --> 01:35:21,039
it was years ago, but still loudst it was. You know,

2017
01:35:21,319 --> 01:35:22,880
the fans are right on top of you. But they

2018
01:35:22,920 --> 01:35:25,640
got momentum going into that game. He got another week

2019
01:35:25,680 --> 01:35:28,119
with Cooper learning to playbook and getting roughs in practice

2020
01:35:28,880 --> 01:35:33,000
with the number ones. They have momentum, They have themnum

2021
01:35:33,239 --> 01:35:36,159
and you know we'll see I like them, I like

2022
01:35:36,199 --> 01:35:39,000
them in a close game. You know, looking at the

2023
01:35:39,079 --> 01:35:43,000
schedule again, Bill, you guys you know it. Detroit's a

2024
01:35:43,039 --> 01:35:46,119
four twenty five game on December fifteenth. If both of

2025
01:35:46,199 --> 01:35:48,680
these teams keep playing what they're playing, how could you

2026
01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:50,479
not flex that game to a national game?

2027
01:35:50,600 --> 01:35:52,680
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, I don't know how.

2028
01:35:52,680 --> 01:35:55,800
Speaker 1: You know, revenge from that Thanksgiving game that they lost?

2029
01:35:55,840 --> 01:35:56,239
Speaker 2: You got it?

2030
01:35:56,319 --> 01:35:59,680
Speaker 8: Oh sure? Oh sure? By the ways, could catch Diggs

2031
01:35:59,720 --> 01:36:02,359
made whole u catch he made.

2032
01:36:02,439 --> 01:36:06,279
Speaker 3: But Jared Goff has more touchdowns than incompletions this year?

2033
01:36:06,279 --> 01:36:08,279
Can you believe that they like they have? They have

2034
01:36:08,399 --> 01:36:11,079
the best offense of the NFL. And it's funny because

2035
01:36:11,119 --> 01:36:14,560
last year in the playoffs it was golf versus versus Stafford.

2036
01:36:15,079 --> 01:36:17,000
Stafford used to play for the Lions. Golf played for

2037
01:36:17,039 --> 01:36:19,119
the Rams. And you know, McVeigh, the head coach of the Rams,

2038
01:36:19,159 --> 01:36:20,159
didn'tant anything to do with Goff.

2039
01:36:20,159 --> 01:36:22,399
Speaker 1: He'd written him off. I've done all I can with

2040
01:36:22,439 --> 01:36:22,920
these guys.

2041
01:36:22,920 --> 01:36:24,960
Speaker 3: I've done. He trades them off, He gets Stafford, he

2042
01:36:24,960 --> 01:36:27,079
wins the Super Bowl, Golf gets his revenge.

2043
01:36:27,119 --> 01:36:28,960
Speaker 1: Golf looks like the best quarterback of the league.

2044
01:36:29,039 --> 01:36:31,000
Speaker 2: Right now, here's a number one overall pick and he

2045
01:36:31,039 --> 01:36:34,520
again and yes they were. But he goes back to

2046
01:36:34,600 --> 01:36:36,880
coaching and being in the right system. And I'll tell you, man,

2047
01:36:36,920 --> 01:36:37,800
they got it going on.

2048
01:36:37,960 --> 01:36:40,640
Speaker 1: Well, Ben Johnson's gonna be a head coach next year somewhere.

2049
01:36:41,399 --> 01:36:42,640
Speaker 2: Now, I mean, the.

2050
01:36:42,680 --> 01:36:47,000
Speaker 3: Question is, well, yeah, we know that's not gonna happen,

2051
01:36:47,079 --> 01:36:47,680
but yeah, I know.

2052
01:36:47,800 --> 01:36:48,880
Speaker 2: I meanja about.

2053
01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:51,720
Speaker 3: McDermott, like saying after the game, the first thing he says, right, well,

2054
01:36:51,720 --> 01:36:55,039
that's what happens when you play complimentary football. Like shut up, Sean,

2055
01:36:55,880 --> 01:36:57,760
they didn't play complimentary football.

2056
01:36:58,399 --> 01:37:01,560
Speaker 2: Oh boy, well, Peter, you.

2057
01:37:01,560 --> 01:37:03,880
Speaker 8: Pay half football half a football. Yeah, my pleasure will

2058
01:37:03,920 --> 01:37:06,399
always always a pleasure, always, Like when you.

2059
01:37:06,399 --> 01:37:09,000
Speaker 2: Asked me to come on, I apologize for the technical

2060
01:37:09,319 --> 01:37:11,159
I was going to thank you for suffering through them

2061
01:37:11,199 --> 01:37:15,640
with us. And uh, but everybody's picking. See everybody's picking.

2062
01:37:15,680 --> 01:37:17,399
See everybody's picking the bills in Seattle.

2063
01:37:18,359 --> 01:37:20,520
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that's that's the right move. And and uh,

2064
01:37:20,640 --> 01:37:22,279
throw this out to here earlier bill. You know we

2065
01:37:22,319 --> 01:37:26,760
got down here in Charlotte. My neighbor built the abbots

2066
01:37:27,039 --> 01:37:28,800
opening abbots down here in Charlotte.

2067
01:37:28,920 --> 01:37:29,399
Speaker 2: Oh wow.

2068
01:37:29,600 --> 01:37:33,159
Speaker 8: And uh, and you guys want to come down the

2069
01:37:33,159 --> 01:37:35,600
winter do the show from Abbots. We will make that happen.

2070
01:37:35,880 --> 01:37:38,760
Speaker 2: Let's do it, well, let's do it. That would be fun. Yes,

2071
01:37:39,079 --> 01:37:42,359
that would be a blast. Charlotte's great city to fun city.

2072
01:37:42,439 --> 01:37:43,960
Speaker 1: One of our friends, our old buddies.

2073
01:37:45,359 --> 01:37:47,520
Speaker 2: You can go see you can go see him. I

2074
01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:49,680
I don't think you'd want to see me. Although I

2075
01:37:49,720 --> 01:37:52,840
helped him get the job. I know you did give

2076
01:37:52,880 --> 01:37:55,039
me one. He does because I called him and told.

2077
01:37:54,960 --> 01:37:56,760
Speaker 3: Him, Oh, did you all right?

2078
01:37:56,800 --> 01:37:59,960
Speaker 2: Three words that describe the guy. That's what they said,

2079
01:38:00,119 --> 01:38:02,840
built a wid I said, determined to win, Oh, determined

2080
01:38:02,840 --> 01:38:06,439
to win Ford tough. I didn't know what to say.

2081
01:38:06,640 --> 01:38:09,159
I was gonna go giant fucking pussy, but I didn't

2082
01:38:09,199 --> 01:38:11,239
say that. I didn't do so one ran through my

2083
01:38:11,279 --> 01:38:13,199
head first, and then I did I didn't say that,

2084
01:38:13,319 --> 01:38:15,840
and then I jet the other I.

2085
01:38:15,279 --> 01:38:16,520
Speaker 1: Think that was good on me.

2086
01:38:16,680 --> 01:38:18,920
Speaker 8: Thirty twenty seven.

2087
01:38:19,319 --> 01:38:23,439
Speaker 2: I was thinking something like a thirty five Buffalo and

2088
01:38:23,520 --> 01:38:26,319
I don't know, seventeen is what I had, Seattle lest

2089
01:38:26,359 --> 01:38:28,399
all right, yeah, what do you got, Danny.

2090
01:38:28,760 --> 01:38:31,680
Speaker 3: I think Buffalo's gonna win this one, like twenty seven

2091
01:38:31,680 --> 01:38:33,920
to thirteen, twenty seven thirteen. I mean, let's be let's

2092
01:38:33,960 --> 01:38:35,880
be honest. I mean, if you lose to Gino Smith,

2093
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that's like losing to EJ. Manual. I'm not kidding. EJ

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was taken before Gino. Gino just kind of EJ just

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kind of walked away from football. I'm not gonna try

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doing the backup quarterback thing.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm.

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Speaker 3: Done, whereas Gino just kind of stuck stuck around, yeah

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and hung out.

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Speaker 2: And I'll see his moments. He has flashes.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they got they got him to play where

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he needs to play.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. All right, well, Peter, thank you again, and we

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will talk to him maybe hopefully next week, and we'll

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see how our predictions do and uh, how the Bills

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continue their momentum. I like it.

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Speaker 8: I'll cook forward to it all right, thanks bro.

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Speaker 2: There we go. All we gotta figure out these technical

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issues after this. The hell, but we'll get back on there.

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I like our new software. I like being on all

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those different platforms. Yeah the heck, crazy crazy Danny crazy

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Yankees start the World Series on Friday, Friday night, Friday night. Yeah,

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this is a big one.

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Speaker 4: Dan.

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Speaker 1: My wife's like, oh joy, that's all right, all right.

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Speaker 2: For Dan Barilla, who says college helped him learn to

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write better, better, better. Uh, and I think it helped

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a critical thing. I'm Bill Moran. We'll see you tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: They were looking borrowd lagentinna see please