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Speaker 1: Let's get out to the hotline.

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Speaker 4: Welcome and former b YU Great, the Brazilian bomber uh

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the line JT for three. What's up, buddy?

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Speaker 3: We ought to add we ought to add x twitter. Uh.

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Speaker 5: I don't know, tro, but we got to add something

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Speaker 4: Definitely, they add a whole lot of enrichment. JT takes

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Speaker 1: Some of the best in the business.

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Speaker 4: Know if answer butts about it, JT uh biggest news

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probably of the day for BYU basketball. I hate to

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start off on a bad note, but Myron Medcalf earlier

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today pen to piece entitled by US, Cannard Davis Junior

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cited for duy clarification here marijuana possession. Cited for marijuana

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position and driving under the influence following a car crash

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in subsequent of resid in Provo, Utah, according to a

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redacted police report obtained by ESPN on Tuesday through an

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open records request. Now, we don't know if this is

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medicinal marijuana, if it was prescribed, I don't know if

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they would actually like list that on the report. Anyway,

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BYU has made an official statement, you know, after the

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the case we have looking into the situation from the

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b YU sid side of things, and then Kevin Young

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in his postgame essentially said that Cannard Davis Junior had

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had broken team rules and he is out for an

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undetermined amount of time.

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Speaker 1: We don't know.

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Speaker 4: So a standard field sobriety test was performed due to

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the assumption or the you know, the the the w

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one of the officers thought that he could be impaired,

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and he was later arrested for possession of marijuana. So

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your reaction to this news, what you think about it?

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The impact of the BOU basketball team, how long he

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could be out for this season.

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Speaker 5: Well, listen, I you know, it doesn't matter how big

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of a view I u fen is. I think we

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would all agree that, you know, driving under the influence,

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driving while impaired. You know, it's an irresponsible team to do,

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first and foremost, Ben, I don't care.

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Speaker 3: How big of a fan you are.

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Speaker 5: I highly doubt someone would disagree with me. So that's

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number one, right, not a smart thing to do. Number

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two in terms of uh the statement in YU put

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out as you as you know more and better than

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comes to these issues. There are a lot of things

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in play here, right, it's a private institution, you know,

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there's also you know, the standards of the church.

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Speaker 3: But then there's also hip ho laws.

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Speaker 5: Now in no way, shape or form, I am trying

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to condone Canard's actions, you know, there is also the

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that the medication was going to impaired to her the

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way you did it, and and you just you know,

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you kind of figured that out. And again not not

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saying that this is right, but I seen it, I

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went through it. I I was there in the locker

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room as all these things happening, and it became public information.

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While I have an extremely hard time believing that a

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BUYU doctor would prescribe marijuana as a source of medication

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for a situation, you know, the church has put out

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a few different statements on it. And so with all

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of that being said, you obviously have to wait for everything

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that that's going to come out. And you know a

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BUYU is going to play safe and play it, you know,

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playing things close to the chest how they all have done,

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you know. But again a few things, you know, stating

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the obvious here, right, and you know a d U

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Speaker 3: That's number one. Number two, the honor.

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Speaker 5: Code is extremely clear and open, and you know in

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terms of you know where you're signing up for when

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you get here, and then you know less but not least,

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did you know could this possibly be you know, for

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this is there a world where this would be you know,

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medically prescribed. I know the chances are small, slim to none,

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you know, so let's just wait to find out more.

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And so not gonna donate the situation, just kind of

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presenting the facts that they are. Nonetheless, you know, turning

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the wheels a little bit more to basketball. Bind extremely disappointing,

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right because Canard was a starter, you know, he was

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looking to be a big addition this year for the team,

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especially with the amount of time that he had left

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in his career, and so, you know, definitely a big blow,

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you know to just the way things are, you know,

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to unrevering, unraveling.

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Speaker 3: Excuse me.

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Speaker 5: One thing that I will say is my freshman year,

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like this, if you remember with Rashaan Brotus and so

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you know, there are unfortunate events, for sure, you know, thankfully,

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uh you know, the university worked with Rashawn and he

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was able to get his degree and graduate. You know,

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in this day and age of nil and transferring and

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so on, and how early it is in in.

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Speaker 3: Canard's career, I don't know how that's going to unravel.

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Speaker 5: I know I shared a lot then, but you know,

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just trying to be as clear as I can, as

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objective as I can, but also you know, trying to

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to say, hey, let's let's seem two we have all

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the facts, so so none as the thearity, we can

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make a judgment, but we can see, you know, so

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we can have you know, hindsight is twenty twenty and

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then when you have all the information, you know.

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Speaker 3: But but that's how I feel about it, Ben.

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and t UTC and marijuana use, as well as the

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on on the use of medical or just and even

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recreational marijuanas. So obviously this is a a serious issue,

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taken a certain stance on cannabis and this is recent.

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Speaker 4: College athletes must comply with their own schools policies on

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drug use and testing in addition to the NC double as. Historically,

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the n C Double a's and even like professional athletes,

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be where you'd get suspended for legal use or improper

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use of THC, cannabis, marijuana, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: But now they've been a little bit more lax in.

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Speaker 4: The n C Double A also recently has been a

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bit more lax on this. During the twenty fourteen NCAA Tournament,

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be suspended for the upcoming twenty fourteen fifteen season as

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a result of a positive marijuana test. Rather than to

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sit out the season, Vigary declared for the NBA Draft

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and joined the Oklahoma City Thunder. In twenty nineteen, the

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positive for, but players were still suspended for multiple games

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and important championships due to cannabis usage. The decision taken

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last June by the NCAA this is back in twenty

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twenty five, applied retroactively, so college athletes suspended due to

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marijuana usage were allowed to rejoin their teams. So there's

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growth in permissible cannabis consumption. Once again, like you cannot

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get behind the wheel after you consume THHD based cannabis Merijuana.

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Speaker 1: You can't do that.

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Speaker 4: This is it's illegal and you're putting other people in

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harmon way, there needs to be accountability there.

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Speaker 1: But we have seen a going trend even within the.

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Speaker 4: Church of Jesus Christ the Lattery Saints, where in nineteen

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fifteen they the Church explicitly banned cannabis, but the Church

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acknowledge is a distinction for medical youth, supporting legal framework

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that allow for medical cannabis when prescribed by a doctor.

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really severe on the youth, in the young minds and

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bodies that end up consuming it due to the legalization.

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So there's got to be accountability here JT. And as

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much as I want Cannar Davis Junior to have a great, lovely,

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awesome experience at BYU, this is the first, in my opinion,

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true adversity of a pro style programs like this Venture

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into pro style program like this is the first true adversity.

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as it relates to the LDS b YU institutional policies

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that for many years have been the impediment of going

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indulge in Uh what seemingly is culturally acceptable but not

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acceptable here in Utah, not in at b YU.

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Speaker 5: So I and and you know, I love you like

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a brother, and we're extremely close.

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Speaker 3: We've known each other longer than we've known our wives.

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Speaker 5: And so let me put it this way, I would

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adjust a little bit to what you're saying as to

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this is the first Kevin Young challenge that he's facings.

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Speaker 4: That like honor code right, like where you're losing eligibility

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of players you recruited, right like Dave Rose, Yes it right, Uh,

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Steve Cleveland, I mean, come on.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's got it, man.

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Speaker 4: We but Bronco experienced it like it's it's inevitable no

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matter how you recruit, where you recruit. It seems like

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it's inevitable even from an LDS standpoint. I mean we

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can go into Spencer Hadley, Uh, in his situation in

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Vegas getting caught, you know, partying in Vegas and then

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the University of Utah giving it over to the honoricle. Anyway,

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there's a lot there to to unpack.

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Speaker 5: But well, and and what I would say to disband

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the way you presented that because under Kevin Young, who

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Speaker 4: Recruited, Yegor Gelemen, Yegor Geoman and a j De Bonsa.

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Speaker 3: And Uh, I think we all run.

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Speaker 5: I think we all ritweet it InCred you know reposted

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including you from your personal account and also from you know. Uh.

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The ESPN's accout look at Yegor stated about buy uh

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go just hang out and go get some food and

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Speaker 5: Can we talk about this Young man and just like

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shower him with praise, my guy. I mean just uh,

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the amount of of of situations that this kid puts

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himself in to do good, to do the right thing,

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to you know, to just grow his brand is very

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Lebron asked. Lebron has never had you know, drama in

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situations and you know intention and issues and you know

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that have exposed him, exposed them. And so to be

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able to say that AJA is on that trajectory and

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the biggest supporter of the mau about BYU, I agree

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with you, Ben, it is the biggest challenge that the

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Kevin Young era of basketball is facing. None oftheless Kevin

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Young can go and say, look, guys, you know, is

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it a different place?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's a different place.

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Speaker 5: Is it a different type of situation where you know,

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talk about you know having to be you know more

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like clean and you can you know, you can have

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sexual relations with women and you have to maintain you

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can drink alcohol, you can you know, partake on recreational

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drugs that are allowed elsewhere.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely you can do that.

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Speaker 5: Nonetheless, let's look at AJ and Yegork and so I

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got to tell you I work in sales. I have

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to spin up all different sorts of situations to say,

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you know, our competitor does this, but you know, how

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can you compare that to X, Y and D. And

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let me tell you, Ben that if I had to

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pitch those two guys versus the honor code and the

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issues that we are just talking about, I have a

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hard time believing that top prospects that their goal is

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to go to the NBA and their families are going

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to have a hard time saying no to b YU.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Like so, I've had this discussion with Riker Matthews, former

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BYU offensive tackle play in the NFL, played in the CFL,

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and something he brought up was very intriguing to me.

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He said, look, look, when you get drafted by the

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New York Yankees, you become a part of their family

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and you gain access to the Yankees organizations. It's resources

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all that comes with it, the access to the fans,

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lot of money off the baseball diamond and on the

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baseball diamond, right and we've seen legacy players just I

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mean just do tremendous things off the baseball diamond, and

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so you gain access with that comes their honor code.

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You know, facial hair, right, I know they've listened to

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that a little bit. You have to dress and act

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a certain way. There's essentially things that if you want

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to be a part of our program, you want to

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be a part of our business, you want to be

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a part of.

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Speaker 1: Our brand, you got to buide.

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Speaker 4: And I think in this transition from so called amateurism

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to professionalism BYU has to take a pretty ardent stance

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about what you're signing up for and like, yeah, the

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nil offering is going to be competitive, it's going to

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be great, but you must abide, like you're a part

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of our brand now, and you get access to that brand,

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you get access to that network, you get access to

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that corporate monster, one of the best economies, if not

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the best economy in the United States of America here

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in the state of Utah.

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Speaker 1: You get access to all of that.

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Speaker 4: But with that, you have to engage in impulse control

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in a non traditional sense, right, You have to engage

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in an impulse control within you know, this framework that

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other people in the United States of America and other

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universities are not engaged in. And that's just a part

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of it. Once again, let me clarify. Do you why

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taking any sort of substance and getting behind the wheel

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like there is no like.

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Speaker 1: He's got to be held accountable like you. But I

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think we.

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Speaker 4: Got to do a better job of gatekeeping here with

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h and kids are gonna be kids, but we gotta

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be if we're gonna do this, I feel like we

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need to have more babysitters.

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Speaker 1: We gotta have more mentors. We got to have more people.

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Speaker 4: Engaged in leading, guiding, walking beside these kids that make

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bad decisions. I made bad decisions. I needed mentorship. Yeah,

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I need my handheld. And I was. I grew up

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in a two parent household and in Arizona active church members. Okay,

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Like I had great friends around me, socioeconomically stable, all

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those things, and a great war to attend all these

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institute and early morning seminary teachers over that, and I

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made bad decisions. So like you know what I mean,

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Like like, if you want to stay out of the

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negative public limelight, then then we probably need to invest

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in more infrastructure, more framework to protect people from making

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bad decisions.

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Speaker 5: I will say this, and again what I'm gonna say

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can be interpreted as a dig at u y U

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basketball and Kevin Young, but it is not what I

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want to highlight is Colony does an amazing job at

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this Colony does an amazing job with having former players

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who excelled at U y U and that were and

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excelled not only on the field, on and off the field.

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Colony does a great job on bringing those guys back. Okay,

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And this is something that you know, even dating back

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to to Mark Pope, it wasn't you know, on the

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basketball program. It wasn't extremely you know, it's not something

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that is done now. I will be the first to

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say I'm down at BUYU a lot because of the

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work that I do with Uyu TV. In the list

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of things that I would want to do is be

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a basketball coach, a collegiate basketball coach.

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Speaker 3: Definitely one of the last things that I would want

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to do.

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Speaker 5: Ben And so I'm not saying that Kevin Young needs

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to put more basketball players on his staff. I'm not

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saying that at all, you know, But you know, I'm

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gonna to your point about mentors. You know, Charles Abuo

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is there, Nate Austin is there, and I think that's

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a great start to the situation.

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Speaker 3: Justin Hamilton, for as great of a player.

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Speaker 5: As he was, as successful of a professional a professional

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basketball player that he was, wasn't a BUYU guy. Now,

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what Justin brings to the team is phenomenal, right, What

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Chris Burgess brings to buy U is phenomenal right. You know,

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but living that honor code life and knowing how to

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move and how to navigate things. And I'm not just saying, oh,

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so you just got to teach them how to avoid

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and not get caught. It's absolutely the contrary. And you

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are teaching them how to live with the honor code,

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how to understand the honor code. Now we're not talking

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about we're going to teach them even furthermore.

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Speaker 4: Like it's like culturally, like where can Oar Davis Junior

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comes from or any of my Like I remember talking

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about this with my teams, where they came from. It

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was perfectly fine culturally morally to engage in marijuana use,

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like in multiple like a very young age, like, they

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don't connect, they don't connect that to immorality. And so

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you have to have very frank and forthright conversations about what.

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Speaker 1: Needs to change.

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Speaker 4: And these are difficult conversations because they infringe culturally and

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even morally from where they come from.

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Speaker 6: That's it, right, I mean it's throw a JT just

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to throw this.

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Speaker 7: You guys know, like from Chicago, primarily black community with

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an all black boys' school, you think that that I

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had convert.

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Speaker 6: Convert.

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Speaker 7: I'm a convert reminder, right, like my mom and my

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dad who wasn't around, but when he was, they pushed like, hey,

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like this is socially acceptable. Like I remember after school,

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like people doing that at sixteen seventeen, it was a

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normal thing.

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Speaker 6: I remember. I hate to even say this is my

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Hopefully this doesn't go.

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Speaker 7: Too far coaches, like I remember off days like practice

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on a Saturday, like it was socially acceptable. So it

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just add to that. That doesn't make it right. I'm

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not saying that, but this is something like you just said,

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been can infringe culturally. Like I remember, this is a

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normal thing. So when people bring up, oh, marijuana, I

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just second atre I keep going because it was a

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normal thing. It wasn't like oh but in the terms

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of BYU, yes, it does affect that brand.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I guarantee you this is not the first time

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that that Cannard Davis Junior and maybe I'm I'm stepping

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out of pocket here, but I highly doubt this is

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the first time that he's taken any sort of TC

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cannabis marijuana and driven the vehicle. Like there's no way

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that this is the first time. So like it's I

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will be wake up call for him too.

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Speaker 5: Oh so, And I will say this, Ben, like that

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is total Like that's a total assumption, right, I mean,

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I want to make it clear. Nobody here is saying

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that you know Cannard Davis has done this before, or

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you know this is not his first time. You know,

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this is a massive assumption, and I want to make

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sure that we're careful navigating that. The one thing that

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I will say is, I'm going to give you a

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perfect example, a perfect example. When I was at BUYU

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for all my first year, I will be in the

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dorms after that. I lived with Lamont Morgan, with Archie

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Archie Rose, and with Michael Lloyd Jr. Right, Mike, Mike

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Lloyd is one of my absolute best friends. I was

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just in Vega this Vegas this week, and every time

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I even drive by Vegas, I see Mike, I give

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him a hug, I get to see his family. We

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got to spend time together. Mike's one of my all

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time best friends. We live together, like we you know,

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like we know things about each other that like probably

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the only other people that know are Heavenly Father and

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our lives and so like, Mike and I are extremely close.

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And you know, I was there for Mike on a

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lot of situations where he needed a mentorship, he needed guidance, yep.

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And you know, like, and so what I'm saying is

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I know exactly what that's happening.

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Speaker 3: Am I volunteering to become a mentor? I don't know.

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I never had that conversation.

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Speaker 5: But you know, this is something that Kloney does, so well,

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what a man, Kloney. And you know, again, you don't

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have to put someone down to put someone else up.

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Speaker 3: But Colone's an amazing man.

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Speaker 5: And I think Coloney Navi gave these part better than most,

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you know, and I think there's a lot to.

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Speaker 3: Learn overall about these situations. And so but yeah, an

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unfortunate thing. No one is condoning and saying that.

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Speaker 5: A d U Y d w Y is okay, the

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w YU athletes cat special treatment. You know, we're here

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to say that you know what he did wasn't right.

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And let's wait until all of the facts come out

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before we understand where Buyu is going to be coming

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from when their decision is made about his future.

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Speaker 4: Jonathan, let's talk about on the on the hardwood, right,

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So Nate Pickens Junior, sorry, Nate Pickens is out for

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the season due to injury. You have Canar Davis Junior.

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He may be out for the foreseeable future. With what's

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occurred this past week, how does that impact this team

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in their quest to not only get back to a

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Sweet sixteam, but advance past that and get to an

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Elite eight Final four compete for a national championship. Aj

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Debonsa said, if they don't win a Nattie, it's a

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failed season. No one remembers the runner up. That's the

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standard he set. He's essentially, along with Richie and Rob,

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the face of the program. What say you, how does

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this impact b Yu's quest to UH to once again

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make a deep run in the NCAA tournament.

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Speaker 5: In full transparency, I would say that this is like

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the Chicago Bulls going from John Paxton to Steve Kerr

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and which is you know, not that big of a difference,

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and the reason Why I say that is because can

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was Canard going to be a massive, huge, importantly piece

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for this team.

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Speaker 3: I would say that he would have been a.

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Speaker 5: Secondary, a secondary or in my honest opinion, I think

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you know the role of Canard Davis was going to

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be a tertiary you know of of you know of

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a third or fourth tier in terms of important Sorry

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my you know, my English third language got got stuck

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over there. And here's why I would put it as

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a third or fourth you know in your level of importance.

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Number one is, you know, will aj Aj, Ritchie and

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Rob stay healthy and you know, staying able to score

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sixty plus seventy plus percent I'll view I use points.

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Speaker 3: That's number one by a mile.

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Speaker 5: Number two is are we going to be able to

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get Keba to stay healthy?

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Speaker 3: And then along with Keba, are we going.

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Speaker 5: To be able to get cadem and or Xavion to

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help Keba on that situation? Number three, are we going

481
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to be able to.

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Speaker 3: Get Mahi Loo Mahi Loo and Tyler and.

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Speaker 5: Baker and potentially Brody coach Lawsky when he starts playing

484
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to become high level shooters and be able to come

485
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to between the three the four, the three four of

486
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them to average forty from three and then I would

487
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say that the question becomes, is Canard and Dominique going.

488
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Speaker 3: To be able to be that defensive three and D specialist?

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Speaker 5: And so as I look at the at the at

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the primary concerns for this basketball team, you know, on

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the packing order of me as an outsider.

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Speaker 3: Now you know, do I know a lot of things

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going on in the program?

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Speaker 5: I do, right, But as an expect an ex spectators,

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as an analyst, as you know the work that I

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do for ESPN and b y U TV and so on,

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what do I think about this?

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Speaker 3: This is the way that I break.

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Speaker 5: Down the priority I don't think that Carnard's performance was

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going to.

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Speaker 3: Move the needle more been all.

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Speaker 5: Of these other three four things that I mentioned to you.

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And again that's my personal opinion. You know, the coaches

504
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may not agree with it, the rest of the world

505
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may not agree in it, but you are having me

506
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come on the show, so I get to share my opinion,

507
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and so that to me, Ben becomes the packing order

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off priorities for BUYU basketball. And that's how I feel about,

509
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you know, Kurnard not being available.

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Speaker 3: That's how you pack the rest of the team.

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Speaker 1: Love your perspective.

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Speaker 6: JT.

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Speaker 4: Always appreciate our time, and unfortunately we got to talk about,

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you know, off court, things that impact on court, things

515
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that we truly like to break down. But appreciate your

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perspective today, Jonathan Tavornari. Make sure you're following you on

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x for all of his hot takes and commentaries. We

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appreciate you, JT. Thanks wropping off for a college basketball segment.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it always and forever.

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Always good to come off a win. You know, I

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hate talking to you when we've lost. I'm like, ah,

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Speaker 7: We got just one loss day.

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Speaker 1: No, I got an attitude of gratitude.

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Speaker 6: Know that about it?

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Speaker 4: Uh? B, why you had their best performance of the season.

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It came at home versus a a very well respected

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six and three TCU team that was hovering right outside

587
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I thought the top twenty five. Had they beaten Ioway stayed,

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I think they would have been in the top twenty five.

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Their average scoring loss margin was six and a half

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points prior to this game. And B, why you opped

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forty four on them or forty plus points on them?

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Speaker 1: And it was? It was awesome. It was awesome to watch.

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Give me a reaction to watching this game.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, No, I really enjoyed it. I felt like we

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came out and established momentum right from the beginning and

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there It's not that often that you you're able to

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watch a game where the momentum felt one side of

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the entire game. There there really wasn't a moment in

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the game where I felt like TCU had some momentum

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going their way. So just a messed up punt, I

601
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was like, oh crap, Yeah, yeah, and that was already

602
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way well beyond.

603
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Speaker 1: They couldn't get back into the game.

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Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, and but yeah, I felt like it was

605
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it was just we had the momentum going and and

606
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there wasn't a whole lot that TCU could do to

607
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stop that. And that's what I say every week. Then

608
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the momentum in these games is everything. And if you

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whoever holds more momentum throughout the game typically comes out

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on top. And and you know, you have big plays

611
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and games and you've got to capitalize on those big plays.

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And I feel like we did a really good job

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of that for the entirety of the game.

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Speaker 4: Who do you give your game balls to? Who were

615
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you most impressed by? From a personnel standpoint? Any when

616
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you want to highlight the individually, I mean.

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Speaker 6: Will you know, I thought he had an excellent game.

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Uh in field goals, I thought I thought that was

619
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a I think he needed a game like that, you know,

620
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where he just hit everything, you know, and everything was

621
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was was on target for him. Bear Bachmeyer, what a

622
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great game, you know. L J. Martin had a great game.

623
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The safety room in general had a great game.

624
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I felt like they all did a did a

626
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really good job. And then, uh, our tight end Carson R.

627
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Did you see his touchdown? Did you see his dance?

628
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He did his did you see John behind him doing

629
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the same thing?

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Speaker 3: Was great?

631
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Speaker 6: Yeah, But it was fun to see him get out

632
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and get some pass passes and open up a new

633
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aspect of what we've always known he's had, but we've

634
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used him so much more in the running game. It

635
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was good to see him get some pass it and

636
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that's going to open up and I feel like there's

637
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gonna be a lot more play with him, especially if

638
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,719
we make it against Texas Tech again. I think there's

639
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gonna be where you know that that d line is

640
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so good, but if you can get a quick release

641
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:25,039
kind of a pop pass type deal to Carson, I

642
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think that there's there are ways and I feel like

643
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Aaron Roddson's got some stuff drawn up already if we

644
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get to face him again. But yeah, I think he'll

645
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be a bigger have a much bigger role for the

646
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next few games that we have.

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Speaker 4: Jared b Yu is in the driver's seat. They're the

648
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master of their own destiny right now. They can they

649
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if a number of things you know happen, b Yu

650
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can clinch their birth in the Big Twelve Championship. Do

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you feel like BYU is going to meet the expectation

652
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heading on the road versus Cincinnati, get the win, versus Cincy,

653
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and uh and uh finally get over the hump, get

654
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into the Big Twelve Championship game and hopefully finger Scross

655
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get into the College football playoffs.

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Speaker 6: Is this the year it feels like it is? Yeah,

657
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definitely more than it did even last year. Yeah, I uh,

658
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,880
I kind of wish Cincinnati would have won that last game.

659
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Would have been nice, just just going into it, just

660
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for a for a better game.

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Speaker 1: Uh, no, Ki to be there again.

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Speaker 6: They're gonna be hungry, it's gonna be a it's gonna

663
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be a battle. It's gonna be a much more difficult

664
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game than the Case State I'm sorry, than the TCU

665
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game was this past week. I think they're gonna be

666
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more ready to play. But yeah, I mean, looking at

667
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at what's ahead of us, the best part about it

668
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is it's it's all in our hands.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 6: The team has everything in front of them. If you win,

671
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you go to that championship game. And I think if

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we get there, we play Texas Tech a whole lot better,

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uh than than the score showed the last game, and

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uh will will the will they give us a playoff

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berth even if we lose to Texas Tech, and that's

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competitive probably not, I mean, unfortunately, even though your your

677
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your losses are to a team that might win the

678
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national championship, you know, versus you know, I get real

679
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frustrated when you look at some of those it you know,

680
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and Notre Dame. They played well this last week. They

681
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you know, but the losses just don't make sense to

682
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me to keep these guys up ahead of BYU who

683
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lost to a potential national champion. All these other losses

684
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that's a lot of these teams had are to not

685
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very good schools. So uh, it's exciting to see the

686
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opportunity is ahead of us and and that there's no

687
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we win we're in there's no uh, well, this team

688
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has to do this and and Utah has to beat

689
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,760
this and you know it's it's simply win this game,

690
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beat UCF and it's an automatic.

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Speaker 7: But to add, you can clinch though if you get

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a victory. I don't know if you saw discuss it.

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Beat Cincinnati and Arizona State, by the way, we talked

694
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about this earlier in the show. But Sam Levitt Perponchos

695
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doesn't look like he's coming back like that was kind

696
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of crazy. So, but if Arizona State loses to Colorado

697
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this weekend, and if Houston also loses to TCU, who

698
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you just played bo, you clinches if they beat Cincinnati.

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Speaker 6: The point I bring it up is if you lose.

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Speaker 7: The Cincinnati, which I don't think they will, then it's

701
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a five way time. And now you're talking about the

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School of North potentially getting in. And Stuart Mendel was

703
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the one that said that. Just an interesting thing with Levitt.

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Speaker 6: So would you if you were if you were the coach,

705
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would you play him for the rest of the season.

706
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I thought I thought he was out for surgery.

707
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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, no, yeah, dealing him announced that's okay.

708
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Speaker 6: I'd be surprised. I'm gonna say, why would you before

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the season?

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Speaker 7: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, yeah no, I think

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he had season ending.

712
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 6: I think it was ankle surgery. He'd been doing the

713
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:48,400
foot into ankle.

714
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, he's, uh, he's gonna go get that

715
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:54,039
that bag.

716
00:37:54,559 --> 00:37:57,079
Speaker 6: Yeah, get that and he can Yeah and he can.

717
00:37:57,079 --> 00:37:59,519
There's gonna be some schools that offer him a great

718
00:37:59,599 --> 00:37:59,960
going out.

719
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 7: So so Big ten or SEC I'll ask you then

720
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,280
and I'll stop talking, so Big can get back to it,

721
00:38:04,559 --> 00:38:06,039
SEC or Big ten school.

722
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,679
Speaker 6: I would I would assume it's open whoever gives the

723
00:38:11,679 --> 00:38:14,719
biggest bag, okay, the best opportunity to win and and

724
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,679
uh and set himself up going into his NFL career.

725
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, what year is Trinidad Chambliss.

726
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 6: It's a good question. Let me check on does he

727
00:38:23,559 --> 00:38:28,519
if he's a senior, he's going oh miss, oh right,

728
00:38:28,599 --> 00:38:30,199
following right after Jackson Dart.

729
00:38:30,519 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's not that's oh yeah, man, I mean he's

730
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:35,199
a senior.

731
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:43,039
Speaker 8: Trinidad's place. The bet on that does does that keep

732
00:38:43,039 --> 00:38:45,360
a Lane kiffing at old Miss? You know you said

733
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,239
f I don't think Lane wants to go away. I

734
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,280
mean he's said he's he's super happy there.

735
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:56,280
Speaker 4: And in the new ni L World, robust A very

736
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,760
wealthy donor base. I mean they've been sighted in the

737
00:39:00,119 --> 00:39:03,039
an era for cheating, right, and so the other SEC

738
00:39:03,079 --> 00:39:06,719
schools who cheat better than ole Miss were ticked off

739
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,599
at him, and yeah ole Miss got caught.

740
00:39:10,199 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 6: Come on, better than that. We don't get caught.

741
00:39:12,039 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 4: But like they've been waiting to, Like you, look at

742
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:18,920
these teams that that have elevated their status in the

743
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:23,199
modern era. Transfer Portal NI l No Guardrails college football

744
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:31,199
capitalism model SMU, b YU all elevated, right. Yeah, SMU

745
00:39:31,199 --> 00:39:34,039
had gotten the death penalty in the eighties. B YU

746
00:39:34,159 --> 00:39:37,119
always doing what's right, you know, and not you know,

747
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:38,280
circumventing people.

748
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: Oh what about the Volkswagen and Nick what aout you?

749
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh my gosh, just a bunch of imbeciles

750
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,599
that have no idea what's going on at these other schools.

751
00:39:49,639 --> 00:39:53,440
I remember after the LSU game in twenty seventeen, they're

752
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,679
starting running back posted like three weeks later, he got

753
00:39:56,679 --> 00:39:58,480
like a range Rover that he gave to his mom.

754
00:39:58,519 --> 00:40:00,199
I'm like, how in the hell does he have enough

755
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,280
fun to buy a lane rubber for his mom? And

756
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,159
then he subsequently took it off. I'm like, you numb schools,

757
00:40:05,199 --> 00:40:07,320
Like like I'm not even talking about the kid. I'm

758
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,800
talking about like anyone that thinks that everybody else is

759
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,239
not cheating, that Nick Saban's donor base was not cheating

760
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,039
for him, you know, and now everyone's leveling up.

761
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:17,159
Speaker 1: Ole Miss is one.

762
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,639
Speaker 4: Of those right that was was was reprimanded for, you know,

763
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,639
you know, cheating right in the former standard type of way.

764
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,960
And now they're they're willing to go out and get guys.

765
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,239
They're gonna go, They're gonna pay Sam. I almost guarantee

766
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,559
he's going to If you're I'm on the badragon. Absolutely,

767
00:40:35,559 --> 00:40:40,800
if you're a quarterback, you you love Ole Miss, you

768
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,280
love Lane Kiffin, you love what they're doing of their defense.

769
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they're doing great things, especially if Lane's

770
00:40:46,679 --> 00:40:47,119
gonna be there.

771
00:40:47,119 --> 00:40:48,679
Speaker 7: So he's like, and he's a red chart sophomore, so

772
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:50,199
he would be a rich shirt junior, still have two

773
00:40:50,199 --> 00:40:53,480
Morios eligibility. He's a six two quarterback two five, so

774
00:40:53,519 --> 00:40:56,400
he's bigger than Trinidad, So like, you get everything that

775
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:56,760
you need.

776
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 6: He look, he's a four starstar.

777
00:40:58,559 --> 00:41:01,119
Speaker 7: Literally, he's a four star transfer or Jared and being

778
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,320
he was the number one player in organ and he

779
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,320
was a gatorad organ player like look is.

780
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,760
Speaker 4: K Michigan State played a little bit, went the issue

781
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:08,280
balled out.

782
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 1: Now he's gonna go probably.

783
00:41:11,039 --> 00:41:14,639
Speaker 6: Once you transfer, once it gets addicted to transfer again.

784
00:41:14,559 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 7: Can I give you the I looked up to study. No, yeah,

785
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,239
they say, I looked it up. I went back. I

786
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:19,880
looked to look at Darius and look at Keelan. Look

787
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:23,119
at everybody, and it's been on point. College athletes now

788
00:41:23,159 --> 00:41:25,760
transfer two times to an average of like one point eight,

789
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,519
so about two times now in their college career. Look

790
00:41:28,519 --> 00:41:31,159
at everybody, Sam Levitt now because he's not going to

791
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,679
come back Darius.

792
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 6: To start the transferring process. Then your mind is continually

793
00:41:39,199 --> 00:41:43,480
what's better, what's next where instead of you know where?

794
00:41:43,519 --> 00:41:45,599
I think Kilani has done a really good job at

795
00:41:45,679 --> 00:41:49,599
maintaining and keeping his players, you know, because a lot

796
00:41:49,599 --> 00:41:51,840
of those look like an Evan Johnson or something you know,

797
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,000
who could have left and gone somewhere else, and he

798
00:41:54,039 --> 00:41:57,360
has stayed here his whole career, Like it's not common anymore,

799
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,559
but you have. I wouldn't be interested in see on

800
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:05,639
how many players from BYU who stay throughout their entirety

801
00:42:06,599 --> 00:42:09,880
of their playing career. Versus the transferring. But it always

802
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,519
it's just once they start the transfer I feel like

803
00:42:12,519 --> 00:42:14,679
their mind always has that in the back of their head,

804
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,320
well it's not quite working out with this coach, or

805
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,480
maybe I'm not getting the time here, so I maybe

806
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,079
I'll just open it up again, you know. But if

807
00:42:22,079 --> 00:42:25,000
they don't start that process ever, they tend to be

808
00:42:25,079 --> 00:42:26,960
more focused than staying in the program.

809
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 4: Man well BYU is going to be in a position

810
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,920
now with back to back seasons double digit wins, to

811
00:42:36,039 --> 00:42:39,880
be able to acquire some pretty good talent too, and

812
00:42:40,159 --> 00:42:46,280
they'll be competitive in IL. I'm sure that the biggest

813
00:42:46,559 --> 00:42:53,119
to me, the biggest benefit to this is being able

814
00:42:53,159 --> 00:43:00,639
to retain, recruit develop the Initially Taucilia Khanna and Nu C.

815
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:01,760
Speaker 1: Tumwaypeyo's right.

816
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,199
Speaker 4: Both of those guys went to other schools initially Stamford

817
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:06,360
and Texas respectively.

818
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: Now they're at b YU.

819
00:43:08,519 --> 00:43:11,159
Speaker 4: You hope that you can get him into b YU

820
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,320
initially and that initial product offering because you have P

821
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,079
four affiliation, you have competitive nil and you can say,

822
00:43:17,119 --> 00:43:21,239
hey be a part of our system. Stability Kloni's stability,

823
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,800
a rod stability. You hope j Hill sticks around. I

824
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,719
think he turned down offers last year. If a P

825
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,519
four institution that that he's really interested in comes knocking,

826
00:43:32,039 --> 00:43:35,639
then he could go. But you do have two guys

827
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,199
in the mix in my opinion that would internally be

828
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,199
great candidates to become your next DC if j Hill

829
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,119
were to take off, And that's Kelly Piping and Gary

830
00:43:45,159 --> 00:43:47,480
Anderson and even Gennaro.

831
00:43:47,559 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 1: Shoot Gennaro.

832
00:43:48,599 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 4: You know, he's gotten the passing game coordinator, you know,

833
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:57,920
maybe he's been kind of you know from from Jay's standpoint,

834
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,280
giving him that title kind of ushered into that next

835
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:00,760
spot too.

836
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:02,039
Speaker 1: So you have options.

837
00:44:02,079 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 4: There's what I'm getting at internally, and you can look

838
00:44:05,079 --> 00:44:07,000
external as well, But I think you have some good

839
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,400
options internally. So it's a really strong pitch right now.

840
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,320
For BYU, it's a really strong pitch, and you just

841
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,639
don't want to miss out on those. I don't know

842
00:44:16,679 --> 00:44:18,920
how often you want to go get the mercenary, is

843
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,519
what I'm getting at. Like, I think there's a time

844
00:44:21,559 --> 00:44:24,320
and a place for the mercenary. Do I think we

845
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,960
should have been able to retain Keelan Marion and not

846
00:44:27,039 --> 00:44:29,119
get mercenaried by Miami.

847
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,639
Speaker 1: Yes, you know, I think Keilan was a good fit.

848
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 4: But I also wonder how internally they feel about like

849
00:44:40,199 --> 00:44:43,159
going out and getting you know, what they may deem

850
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:47,159
is a mercenary, you know, to pay them if they're

851
00:44:47,159 --> 00:44:49,679
not like the long term fit. They don't want to

852
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,719
get into a bidding war again the following year.

853
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, I kind of feel like once they start

854
00:44:56,039 --> 00:45:00,840
that process with certain players and a their players are

855
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,280
going to see it. Because the players talk, they know

856
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,960
what you know. So when when when Keilan was getting

857
00:45:06,039 --> 00:45:09,639
offered out B why he wasn't even negotiating on that one?

858
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:11,880
I think and there was so there's there was more

859
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,480
to that. I talked to Kilan about it, and my

860
00:45:14,559 --> 00:45:17,079
first question was as he was looking at other schools

861
00:45:17,199 --> 00:45:19,480
of what is b why you offering and he said

862
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:23,440
they're not right now. So it was they. And when

863
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,360
I talked to Aaron Roderick about it too, I think

864
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,760
that they knew he was. He was on his way

865
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,360
out already and what he was seeking wasn't something that

866
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,760
B Why you could do. And Miami gave him a

867
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:35,559
really good deal.

868
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 3: You know.

869
00:45:36,039 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 6: I was talking to one of the other players' moms

870
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,880
and I let's keep them. Yeah, I'm saying, but when

871
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,000
we were discussing Keelan and she was letting me know

872
00:45:45,079 --> 00:45:50,119
that that Keilan's this is Keelan's family. This was a

873
00:45:50,199 --> 00:45:52,599
huge deal for his family and where he comes from,

874
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,239
and it was almost a generational change in finances for

875
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,199
him and his family. So there's so much more that

876
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,559
goes into it from where the kids come from, what

877
00:46:01,639 --> 00:46:05,239
their backgrounds are, what their financial situation is, and standing

878
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,199
in their family and their community. So it had a

879
00:46:08,199 --> 00:46:10,599
lot more there. Now, do I think that Kelan made

880
00:46:10,639 --> 00:46:13,639
the right decision if I'm looking at stats and things like,

881
00:46:13,679 --> 00:46:15,760
he's come on the last couple of games and he's

882
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,199
done really well, but he hasn't had the season that

883
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,159
I think he would have had Hattie stayed at by U.

884
00:46:20,639 --> 00:46:22,159
I think he would have had he would have been

885
00:46:22,199 --> 00:46:25,039
a team leader, he would have probably been a captain.

886
00:46:26,079 --> 00:46:29,480
He would have had a lot more opportunity in the

887
00:46:29,559 --> 00:46:32,800
program and been singled out as a number one guy

888
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,880
along with I mean with Chase and and Parker.

889
00:46:36,039 --> 00:46:38,039
Speaker 4: Well, I think the reps that you're seeing Parker and

890
00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:41,760
the targets Parker's getting the last game are what.

891
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,639
Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree, I think you know, and I hope

892
00:46:45,639 --> 00:46:46,840
that that his decision.

893
00:46:48,639 --> 00:46:51,760
Speaker 4: I think Chase would would have more single coverage, more

894
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,920
opportunities with Keelan on the football, everyone would have been

895
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,480
better with Yeah, yeah, a great.

896
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 6: Player, great kid, and uh wish are the best. And

897
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,079
I hope that that his decision pays off and it

898
00:47:03,159 --> 00:47:05,559
wasn't a one year payout, and you know, I hope

899
00:47:05,559 --> 00:47:07,159
he has a shot next year in the league. And

900
00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:09,599
but yeah, it's it's uh, there's a lot that goes

901
00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:14,039
into that, but yeah, there's Yeah, it's a different era

902
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:15,519
of football, no doubt.

903
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,280
Speaker 4: By you only a two and a half point favorite

904
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,840
on the road versus Cincinnati, is that disrespect especially considering

905
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,159
that Cincinnati has gotten beaten up the last two weeks

906
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,719
and Bows coming off of almost a thirty point victory

907
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:27,519
versus TCU.

908
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 6: Gosh, I don't know that I buy into some of that.

909
00:47:30,079 --> 00:47:33,559
You know, I think that the reasoning behind it, in

910
00:47:33,599 --> 00:47:35,960
my opinion, is that Cincinnati is a is a good

911
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,920
football team, and having lost two games in a row,

912
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:43,360
they're gonna come out ready to play this week. With

913
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,920
that being said, if BYU picks up the momentum from

914
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:47,800
the beginning, I think they'll be able to put them

915
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,719
in in the place just like that we did with TCU.

916
00:47:50,679 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 3: Uh.

917
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 6: If we allow Cincinnati to gain momentum at their home

918
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:58,159
field where they've lost two games and they start getting

919
00:47:58,159 --> 00:48:00,639
that confidence back, we're gonna have a on our hands.

920
00:48:00,639 --> 00:48:03,800
And that's where that two point spread I think comes

921
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:05,679
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922
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,760
depend on where our momentum starts and if we're able

923
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924
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,679
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