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Speaker 4: You're in the right place. Okay, Ali, you say down word.
Speaker 4: We love snail funerals and coyote ghosts. But let's bump
Speaker 4: this into the age of the World Wide Web, shall we?
Speaker 4: So we are today, I get my head out of
Speaker 4: the annals of dusty natural history books, into the ones,
Speaker 4: into the zeros, and into the head of a genius
Speaker 4: programmer and designer and entrepreneur. Buckle up to hear your
Speaker 4: old dad out of her comfort zone and into the
Speaker 4: matrix so architectural technology. I know you are definitely thinking
Speaker 4: that this is an episode about how arches are built
Speaker 4: or glass buildings with solar panel windows. I know, but
Speaker 4: watch out, that is not it at all at all.
Speaker 4: So archie means having or conceived of is having a single,
Speaker 4: unified overall design and texture comes from the Greek for
Speaker 4: chief weaver or builder, and then technology is also from
Speaker 4: the Greek meaning art or craft, coming from weave. So
Speaker 4: the tech in architect and technology are the same tech.
Speaker 4: So archetechnology. You'll hear more on that now. Okay, I
Speaker 4: don't know beans about programming, and when things start to
Speaker 4: get over the average or in my case, below average
Speaker 4: person's head, I'm going to stop and just clue us
Speaker 4: all in for a second, just to get up to
Speaker 4: speed so no one's left behind. Now, this ologist is
Speaker 4: just about to become your new hero for the week.
Speaker 4: Leading up to this interview, I just had notts in
Speaker 4: my stomach about how cool he was and how little
Speaker 4: I understood about programming and just want to ask him.
Speaker 4: But he is as patient and as gracious as a
Speaker 4: genius could possibly be, and we chatted all about the
Speaker 4: value of hands on tinkering and different programming languages and
Speaker 4: what they do and how to start coding at any age,
Speaker 4: advice he gives kiddos and grown ups, and being part
Speaker 4: of technological movements, how he's worked with everyone from Kanye
Speaker 4: to Rihana and more, what the future will look like,
Speaker 4: and why being flexible and collecting varied life experiences is
Speaker 4: the key to excellence. So cozy up and get ready
Speaker 4: for your mind to be blown and your heart to
Speaker 4: be warmed. By architectural technologist Idris Sandus Bold algy knowlogy, Okay,
Speaker 4: let's get right into it. And how would you define
Speaker 4: an architectural technologist or someone who doesn't know?
Speaker 5: Yeah, so architectural technologists or more like you know important
Speaker 5: like digital architect is really this like term that I
Speaker 5: coined around applying the concepts, the ideations and the design
Speaker 5: thinking that goes into you know, architecture and applying those
Speaker 5: two digital systems. Right, So it's about understanding like data
Speaker 5: rams ten principles of designs.
Speaker 4: Side note the ten principles of design by Data Rams,
Speaker 4: which I will list very quickly for context for this episode.
Speaker 4: Good design is innovative. Good design makes a product useful.
Speaker 4: Good design is aesthetic. Good design makes a product understandable.
Speaker 4: Good design is unobtrusive. Good design is honest. Good design
Speaker 4: is long lasting. Good design is throw down to the
Speaker 4: last detail. Good design is environmentally friendly, and good design
Speaker 4: is as little design as possible, so less is more
Speaker 4: something to consider before adding a bunch of glittering clip
Speaker 4: art and comic sans headers to your web patress. Clutter
Speaker 4: be gone? And when did you become so curious? Oh?
Speaker 5: I think I have always been a curious kid, you know.
Speaker 5: I remember being six seven eight, you know, growing up,
Speaker 5: we were, you know, financially deprived, and my mom would
Speaker 5: always have to buy new controllers because I would always
Speaker 5: break them. And you know, just look at oh, okay, cool,
Speaker 5: these are what transistors are. And I would look at
Speaker 5: a PCB board PS.
Speaker 4: PCB is a printed circuit board and no, I have
Speaker 4: never taken one apart myself. And yes, I just had
Speaker 4: to look up what a PCB was. I'm not a shaped.
Speaker 5: I would look at it and reroute everything and connect
Speaker 5: this to the USB and then take the USB to
Speaker 5: this and then I remember this one time I created
Speaker 5: a I took a remote and then I basically re
Speaker 5: routed and reprogrammed in Java the abnity for me to
Speaker 5: point that at our ceiling fan and I could change
Speaker 5: the speed of the fad right and so like I
Speaker 5: had always been curious.
Speaker 4: Well, when did you go from you know, hardware and
Speaker 4: taking apart controllers and changing their frequency and into coding
Speaker 4: and into kind of software, Like when did you make
Speaker 4: that jump?
Speaker 5: I started learning how to code in fact, at the
Speaker 5: age of eleven and went to a library for almost
Speaker 5: two years straight, only missed three days and learned everything.
Speaker 5: And I saw the differences. When I was in Compton,
Speaker 5: I was reading legacy programming languages.
Speaker 4: Okay, I wasn't sure if legacy was the actual name
Speaker 4: of a programming language, so I had to look it
Speaker 4: up and wow, okay, No, So a legacy language as
Speaker 4: opposed to a modern one is older and usually not
Speaker 4: the base for today's coding. But it's really important to
Speaker 4: know because new technology sometimes has to interact with a
Speaker 4: legacy language that may be the base for other programs. Also,
Speaker 4: please pardon this aside up top, but I just want
Speaker 4: to get some programming basics just out of the way
Speaker 4: for context so no one feels lost, and also full
Speaker 4: disclosure because I needed to look it up to understand it. Also,
Speaker 4: I'm going to go quick, So first off, machine language
Speaker 4: is chattering via binary code, so ones and zeros, and
Speaker 4: those are expressed via tens of thousands of transistors that
Speaker 4: flip on and off to relay those ones and zeros. Now,
Speaker 4: a programming language is a way for us to tell
Speaker 4: those ones and zeros how to behave and what to
Speaker 4: accomplish for us. So just remember the task of a
Speaker 4: thousand steps begins with a single beat boop. Life is
Speaker 4: just a series of tiny beat boops that can change
Speaker 4: the world. Now, some of the first programming trivia alert
Speaker 4: was around the year eight hundred in modern day Baghdad
Speaker 4: and involved an automata, which was a programmable steam flute.
Speaker 4: Priorities got to get those flute jams in. Now. In
Speaker 4: the seventeen hundreds, we had punch cards that helped operate
Speaker 4: jackhard textile looms. Some of the first computers in NASA's
Speaker 4: history were women crunching numbers behind the scenes to figure
Speaker 4: out flight paths and fuel needs and programming the first
Speaker 4: electronic general purpose digital computer for the US Army in
Speaker 4: the nineteen forties. Fast forwarding to the last couple of decades,
Speaker 4: let's have a very brief simplification of what a programming
Speaker 4: language is. It essentially means how plain text or what's
Speaker 4: called source code is formatted and written to tell the
Speaker 4: machine how to flip those transistors making all those ones
Speaker 4: and zeros to get stuff done. So anyway, thank you
Speaker 4: for bearing with that history and context. Idris was at
Speaker 4: the library at the age of eleven, feeding his hungry
Speaker 4: brain with legacy programming languages, as one does.
Speaker 5: I just started going to library and read and read
Speaker 5: and read to the universe. In God's grace. I would
Speaker 5: end up meeting a Google engineer that happened to be
Speaker 5: there that day and saw me reading my books, and
Speaker 5: that was really the start for me in this space.
Speaker 4: I know you were in the library, you're studying code,
Speaker 4: you were what maybe thirteen at the time, and you
Speaker 4: started entering for Google.
Speaker 5: Yes, various points in my life I was being allowed
Speaker 5: to be in spaces that I normally wouldn't have been in. Right,
Speaker 5: So me being a thirteen year old kid with somebody
Speaker 5: that you know, believed in me so much and saw
Speaker 5: what I was doing to let me have an opportunity
Speaker 5: to see how things actually worked, and being able to
Speaker 5: go into the Google building and go in and see
Speaker 5: how ideas. Then went to the drawing board, and the
Speaker 5: drawing board then went on the interface designers, and then
Speaker 5: from there it going to like the programmers and the
Speaker 5: programmers working with the marketing team, and the marketing team
Speaker 5: distributing the app that was built. I just got to
Speaker 5: see so much and I was like, oh wow. It
Speaker 5: was like being a Willy Wonkers factory. And I was like, Wow,
Speaker 5: this is how it works. I want to create this.
Speaker 5: How did you like the Chocolate Factor, Charlie.
Speaker 4: I think it's the most wonderful place in the whole world.
Speaker 5: And that would basically shape my whole life around ownership.
Speaker 5: And one thing that I practiced a lo is vertical integration.
Speaker 5: Right now, Vertical integration is a form of business in
Speaker 5: which a business owner or entity controls the whole product
Speaker 5: life cycle of their creation. Right That's what Apple does.
Speaker 5: Right So, Apple as a company has a multitude of
Speaker 5: different devices right now, for every one of those devices
Speaker 5: that they have, there's an integrated operating system that they
Speaker 5: created for each of those products. Right So, if you
Speaker 5: have an Apple Watch, it runs what watch os. If
Speaker 5: you have an iPhone it runs iOS. If you which
Speaker 5: they own these two which they own. If you have
Speaker 5: a Mac computer, you're running mac os, which they also own,
Speaker 5: and if you have a TV, it runs what Apple
Speaker 5: at exactly aos? Right, Okay, cool. That's why everything always
Speaker 5: came down to me. So when you ask you, I
Speaker 5: have to give that preference before answering your question in
Speaker 5: regards to how does that light bulb moment go to
Speaker 5: an actual product? You know? For like me, I divide
Speaker 5: things I do into two states. Right, there's I came
Speaker 5: up with this term called aspirational necessitation. Now, aspirational necessitation
Speaker 5: just simply means if you look around you, you would
Speaker 5: notice that the products that are aspirational, the stuff you
Speaker 5: do not need, are the most highly priced and are
Speaker 5: in fact the most beautiful design things that you can
Speaker 5: lay your eyes on. Whereas the products that are a
Speaker 5: necessity and to you roadblock street sides, pedestrian buttons, parking meters,
Speaker 5: all of these things are designed very very poorly and
Speaker 5: with very little design thing. And in fact, the moment
Speaker 5: that these systems are installed, they're already depreciating in value.
Speaker 5: Whereas on your phone, if you really think about it,
Speaker 5: it appreciates in value. Why because there's software updates. So
Speaker 5: why haven't we designed city infrastructure and things that are
Speaker 5: a necessity around us with the same thing. Could you
Speaker 5: imagine all these tech companies making new cars all the time,
Speaker 5: making a car be smaller, faster, more fit, but no
Speaker 5: one is thinking about the road on which the car
Speaker 5: is drive to. Yeah, that hasn't been change. How about
Speaker 5: we just make efficient more roads.
Speaker 4: Right, so aspirational necessitation, making the things that we all
Speaker 4: use as nice as the things only five percent of
Speaker 4: people can afford. Can you imagine that world of just
Speaker 4: beautiful efficiency? Something that is really striking about you as
Speaker 4: you are so obviously like focused and passionate about what
Speaker 4: you do, and you're also so good at having an
Speaker 4: opportunity and taking full advantage of it, you know, of
Speaker 4: showing up when the opportunity kind of knocks. And are
Speaker 4: you ever called to give advice to people who you
Speaker 4: know are have less confidence or aren't sure that they
Speaker 4: could accomplish anything near what you have? Asking for myself
Speaker 4: because I will shamelessly take any and all advice this
Speaker 4: dude has to offer, but also for you know, the youth.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think even now, Like I was
Speaker 5: just reading a Wall Street Journal article earlier about how
Speaker 5: like the coronavirus is going to literally shift the paradigm
Speaker 5: for an unfinished generation social skills gen C. Like these
Speaker 5: kids that are now eight and nine, ten or even
Speaker 5: like five or six, they're going to grow up in
Speaker 5: a completely different world now because of coronavirus, you know,
Speaker 5: And so what it means to be social is going
Speaker 5: to be different. What it means to interact facetiming or
Speaker 5: video calling or even volumetric like you know, certain things
Speaker 5: have to happen for us to go into new ages
Speaker 5: of time, right, scientists have to try and get us
Speaker 5: to the moon, and you know, create a new technology
Speaker 5: and mistakenly create microwave, and now we all have microwaves
Speaker 5: in our house. That scene in Star Wars and New
Speaker 5: Hope where you have Princess Leiah, you know R two
Speaker 5: D two projecting her hologram and her to obi Wan
Speaker 5: can help obi Wan Kanumbi, You're our only hope for
Speaker 5: us to get to that level, for us to get
Speaker 5: to the shift, certain things needed to take place in
Speaker 5: the world. And so ultimately, like I'm a huge spiritualist
Speaker 5: and stuff. So what I tell like people around me,
Speaker 5: whether it's now in terms of advice or whatever, or
Speaker 5: in the past, is like there's always a blessing behind
Speaker 5: every single thing that happens. And when we talk about
Speaker 5: what's going on in the world, what's happening right now
Speaker 5: is going to force that to happen now because we're
Speaker 5: going to have to rethink media. When you know, I
Speaker 5: asked me, like, what advice do I give to people?
Speaker 5: It's that advice is simply just be dynamic. Even when
Speaker 5: I have like kids come up to me like what
Speaker 5: programming languages? I feel that if I tell children, if
Speaker 5: I tell young kids what programming languages they should they
Speaker 5: shouldn't force Especially when those kids coming out to me
Speaker 5: are like minorities, I feel like I'm not giving them
Speaker 5: the right information, the right information for me to say
Speaker 5: that those kids would be learn how to be dyna
Speaker 5: because one programming language is not going to be it.
Speaker 5: You know, new programming language will be created, but you
Speaker 5: know what won't be new, Your ability to dynamically think,
Speaker 5: train that muscle in your brain to be able to
Speaker 5: be adaptable. Information of the current is by default already
Speaker 5: information of the past. As we're communicating right now, the
Speaker 5: things we're saying, things we're talking about right now even
Speaker 5: involves to mention a new technology that has a six
Speaker 5: week shelf life. A year from now, we got on
Speaker 5: new iPhones and then we're talking about something else. My
Speaker 5: advice to any kid or anyone, really I feel like
Speaker 5: we're all kids.
Speaker 4: I says that we must all accept that we are
Speaker 4: children and keep learning and asking questions, which you know
Speaker 4: I love. Now, speaking of asking questions, we're about to
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Speaker 4: Okay, n your questions. Can I ask you a few
Speaker 4: questions from listeners who knew that you were coming on? Yes,
Speaker 4: of course, please, yes, I'll run through like lightning around.
Speaker 4: Michelle Jacobs wants to know if you have a favorite
Speaker 4: programming language and why.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean personally, I mean I started off with Java,
Speaker 5: and Java is one of the most you know, it's
Speaker 5: not only just one of the oldest programming languages that
Speaker 5: we I still currently use today, but more importantly, it's
Speaker 5: a programming language that is like the grandfather of all
Speaker 5: other programming languages. Right, there's different forms of programming languages.
Speaker 5: There's different languages, and then there's different like broken versions
Speaker 5: of those languages. Right, So you think of like English,
Speaker 5: and then there's like the British English, then there's the
Speaker 5: American English. Then there's like Patois, you know, and then
Speaker 5: there's like Broke Pichon English. Right. And in programming, there's
Speaker 5: a very wide array for a different application of what
Speaker 5: you're doing. There are like array languages, they're like assembly.
Speaker 5: There's just so many there's compiled languages.
Speaker 4: Okay, I looked it up in Wikipedia lists over fifty
Speaker 4: types of programming languages. How exciting. Why are there so many?
Speaker 5: It depends on what you're doing. But personally, my one
Speaker 5: of my favorite programming languages is not Java. Actually that's
Speaker 5: just a language I started with. I really love c
Speaker 5: I love c sharp, And the reason why I love
Speaker 5: c sharp is obviously it has way more memory advantages
Speaker 5: and speed improvements over Java. But the thing I love
Speaker 5: about c more most important is because it's really widely accepted.
Speaker 5: I can compile that on my map computer running like
Speaker 5: Bootcamp or running parallel desktop, side by side with the
Speaker 5: computer and platforms that I in the past that I've
Speaker 5: used a lot of Unity, which is a game engine.
Speaker 5: For a lot of visualizations we've created in the past,
Speaker 5: we've built them in Unity using c sharp. So I love, love,
Speaker 5: love c sharp. C sharp is one of my favorite languages.
Speaker 5: But there's a new programming language that Google created called
Speaker 5: Flutter that I love so much because I've been using
Speaker 5: a lot of Facebook React Native. So the Facebook has
Speaker 5: two major programming languages. One is called React and one
Speaker 5: is called React Native. And by the way, before people
Speaker 5: grow me, because I know this is going to happen.
Speaker 5: Let me just reiterate and say, I know that Facebook
Speaker 5: React is not a programming language, and it's a library,
Speaker 5: but it's pretty much a programming language. We can agree
Speaker 5: to disagree. It's pretty much a language. It's a JavaScript library,
Speaker 5: but it is a programming language and as it's currently used.
Speaker 4: Okay, from what I gather. Boot camp side note is
Speaker 4: that helps install Windows OS on Macintosh computers, which, like
Speaker 4: other types of boot Camp, sounds like a sweaty endeavor.
Speaker 4: And a library is a bunch of reusable programming routines
Speaker 4: that a coder can grab so they don't have to
Speaker 4: physically type all of that source code out like they
Speaker 4: know what it does and what to use, so you know,
Speaker 4: you can copy and paste the basics to avoid needing
Speaker 4: like bionic risks to peck out all those ding dank
Speaker 4: backslashes and such. So these shortcuts are valuable given that
Speaker 4: experienced programmers can make upward of one hundred bucks an hour.
Speaker 4: In case you're interested in learning to code.
Speaker 5: There's never been a more exciting time to get into
Speaker 5: programming like there is now. You know, I'm twenty two,
Speaker 5: but I remember being eleven years old having to go
Speaker 5: to a library and read books there. And now there's
Speaker 5: so many free courses online. There's platforms like you to Me,
Speaker 5: there's con Academy, there's Treehouse that teach you Java from
Speaker 5: start to finish, that teach you Swift, which is Apple's
Speaker 5: official programming language that I think a lot of people
Speaker 5: should start learning the reality of being a programmer is
Speaker 5: you're always learning, just like the English language. You're learning
Speaker 5: new words all day and I'm learning a lot. I
Speaker 5: even sometimes google things or go on YouTube.
Speaker 4: Heads up this question and answer killed me dead. And
Speaker 4: last list question Mad's Clement wants to know what's the
Speaker 4: silliest thing that you've ever coded, Like a ridiculous website,
Speaker 4: just something that you just really wanted to make.
Speaker 5: I remember this one time I was developing an app
Speaker 5: for a client and then I put an Easter egg
Speaker 5: in the right corner, so you would have to, like
Speaker 5: I think you would long press it, tap or twice again,
Speaker 5: and then long press it again. And it was just
Speaker 5: like this Kanye meme that would pop up and He'll
Speaker 5: be like, it was just so funny to me. But yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean, I think what I love about programming is like,
Speaker 5: no matter what language, you're using the ability to like
Speaker 5: comment in line. That's what I feel like I'm here
Speaker 5: to do. I'm here to show people that, like I'm
Speaker 5: a jack of so many different trades, I am a
Speaker 5: jack of many trades and confined by none. You know,
Speaker 5: I don't desire to be a master of any, but
Speaker 5: I neither decide to be confined by none. So, like,
Speaker 5: you know, I feel like I've been put on this
Speaker 5: earth to show people like, yes, I'm an architect that
Speaker 5: can design like an experience for Kanye and do stage
Speaker 5: designs and build Snoop Dogg store. But I can collaborate
Speaker 5: with Fency and Prada and IBM on other projects and
Speaker 5: make it okay, make that the new norm. I know
Speaker 5: I'm not. Then there's people that might be listening to
Speaker 5: this and be like, he's not a conventional programmer or
Speaker 5: you know, whatever they might like say about this, But
Speaker 5: one thing that they can't say is wow, he's so
Speaker 5: multi crafted and multifaceted. He is, you know, part of
Speaker 5: the new renaissance of being you know, multifaceted. And I
Speaker 5: should be too, right. Let we can talk about music,
Speaker 5: but go to tech and then from tech go to art.
Speaker 5: That should be a norm right, artists, music artist, fashion
Speaker 5: designer should be working with programmers. In fact, for the
Speaker 5: last twenty years, what I've personally like seen, you know,
Speaker 5: like that being twenty two and so in terms of
Speaker 5: just history is that the people that are making the
Speaker 5: most impact are the people that started off doing something
Speaker 5: and did something completely different. Tak Her hat Field designed
Speaker 5: pretty much every popular Jordan's shoe that ever came out.
Speaker 5: He has an architecture background. Virgil Oblow, Yeah, Virgil Ablo
Speaker 5: has an architecture background, you know, just to be a
Speaker 5: renaissance like.
Speaker 4: It's okay, that's such good advice.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm very My science teacher in high school,
Speaker 5: she would she always to tell me that the brain
Speaker 5: was not meant to multitask. According to what she said,
Speaker 5: you know, it's like we're only good at efficiently doing
Speaker 5: things one time. And the truth to that is realizing
Speaker 5: that sometimes we just be trying to do so much
Speaker 5: and then we forget to focus on one thing and
Speaker 5: complete and go on to the next, not because we
Speaker 5: were confining ourselves and because we're not capable of processing
Speaker 5: all that information, but because when we get to focus
Speaker 5: and then create something, our brain is operating within its
Speaker 5: highest peak. So yeah, I mean for me, it's understanding, Like,
Speaker 5: you know, I have a lot of time in this world,
Speaker 5: like to do a lot of things, you know, So yeah,
Speaker 5: like I would rather work hard now so later I
Speaker 5: don't have to you know, I'm twenty two now. In
Speaker 5: eight years, I want to retire, just go around the
Speaker 5: world building more schools, like what we're working on in
Speaker 5: Ghana right now, and you know, building shelters and changing
Speaker 5: how cities are built from an infrastructural level, using and
Speaker 5: leveraging AI, you know, in agriculture to be able to
Speaker 5: you know, let farmers know what seeds or what crop
Speaker 5: should be in rotation using AI metrics. You know, these
Speaker 5: are things that I want to do later in life.
Speaker 5: So I'm working my butt off now so I don't
Speaker 5: have to like later.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, that's amazing. And this is always my
Speaker 4: last question, but it's going to be hard for you
Speaker 4: to answer. Thing, But what is your favorite thing about
Speaker 4: what you do? Like, what do you love the most
Speaker 4: about your career and your job and your.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the connection to God and the universe to me
Speaker 5: is really important and really how every single thing that
Speaker 5: I'm doing in my life is for the next person,
Speaker 5: because I know that's why I'm here.
Speaker 4: You're doing so much just amazing stuff. You're such an inspiration.
Speaker 4: I mean. I also, here's where I confess that I
Speaker 4: was petrified to interview him because I know nothing about programming,
Speaker 4: and in terms of cool factor, he might be the
Speaker 4: coolest person literally on planet Earth, just objectively scientifically speaking.
Speaker 4: He's so smart, he's so accomplished. I don't even know
Speaker 4: what to ask.
Speaker 5: So thank you for min I'm so gracious, thank you,
Speaker 5: and thank you. I really appreciate these moments too, because
Speaker 5: it humanizes technology.
Speaker 4: So ask smart people just the stupidest questions because that
Speaker 4: is the only way we learn. And also, look, they're
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Speaker 4: thank you Mercedes Maitland of Maitland Audio and shared Sleeper
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Speaker 4: show notes And if you stick around to the end
Speaker 4: of the episode, I give you a piece of advice
Speaker 4: for free. And this piece of advice comes courtesy of
Speaker 4: my husband's mom. And once my husband said when he
Speaker 4: was a kid that he was sad that none of
Speaker 4: his friends had reached out to hang out with him.
Speaker 4: And his mom said, well, have you reached out to them?
Speaker 4: And he said, well, shoot, that's great advice. So if
Speaker 4: you're lonely and you haven't heard from a friend, reach
Speaker 4: out to them. They might be sitting around lonely too,
Speaker 4: thinking no one's reached out to them. So don't be
Speaker 4: afraid to make the first move. It might be exactly
Speaker 4: what someone else needs. Okay, have a good one. Good bye.
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