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So very intrigued by what Kelly Pepinkann accomplishes the defense
coordinator real quick though, just to kind of recap Kelly's
trajectory as a coach there at BYU, he was a
fantastic football player, team captain, led the team in tackles
in two thousand and seven, and I believe that single
season productivity put him placed him thirty ninth overall and
total tackles in a single season. I mean, there were
some remarkable seasons from some of these these linebackers back
in the day.
Speaker 1: I believe Schad Hansen, I.
Speaker 3: Guess had one hundred and ninety three tackles one season
in nineteen ninety one.
Speaker 1: That's an insane number. Anyway.
Speaker 3: K Pop comes in at number thirty nine, one of
the best Mike linebackers in the modern era for BYU
in a legacy name that you guys all know on
Love in two thousand and nine.
Speaker 1: After his NFL career, After he played for a.
Speaker 3: Multitude of teams in the NFL, he became a defensive
intern got into coaching, and then became a defensive graduate
assistant and interim outside linebackers coach in twenty ten. From
two thousand eleven twenty twelve, he was at BYU's outside.
Speaker 1: Linebackers coach full time.
Speaker 3: From twenty thirteen to twenty fifteen BYU Special Teams Coordinator
and outside linebackers coach. Then took his talents to Virginia
with coach men in all two thousand sixteen to twenty
twenty Virginia outside linebackers coach, and also in twenty twenty
one was the just the linebackers coach so the entire
unit and by the way, in twenty sixteen, two thousy
seventeen Virginia Special teams coordinator coach, twenty eighteen to twenty
twenty one Virginia coach, defensive coordinator and edge position coach.
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty two, took.
Speaker 3: His towns to Boise State, was coach special teams coordinator
and edge position coach, and then came back home twenty
twenty two to twenty twenty five Bill your special teams
coordinator and defensive ends coach and now twenty twenty six
to present BYU Defensive coordinator so a couple other coaching notes.
He returned to BU to be on Kalini Satake staff
in December twenty twenty two, after serving as the as
the co special teams coordinator and exposition coach at Boys
to State for the twenty twenty two seasons. Since taking
over that group, the special teams unit has been the
best unit in my opinion for ESPN ESPN sp plus metric,
They've been the most effective and efficient group comparative.
Speaker 1: To the offensive defense.
Speaker 3: Not to take anything away from the offensive defense, They've
been fantastic over this three year period or so. But man,
I've been impressed with a special teams unit. I can't
wait to see what k Pop can do with this defense.
Without further ado, let's get out to the hot line
and welcome in. You know he's gonna love This stat
ranked thirty ninth all time in BYU football history in
season a single season total tackles. Uh, just just behind
let's see here, You're just behind Aaron Francisco, who was
a tremendous linebacker.
Speaker 2: I'll take that one.
Speaker 3: I'll you know what I mean, You're right there next
to Aaron Francis, which was pretty impressive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I'll let Aaron have that one. That's okay.
He's a great player. If you're gonna tell me somebody
like Brian Kiel or something like that, I would have
been serious.
Speaker 3: No, man, you you had one hundred and thirteen tackles
that season in two thousand and seven, leading our defense.
Speaker 1: Obviously, it was a great defense.
Speaker 3: Everyone thinks that that seventeen was all offense. It's a
bunch of malarkey. That defense was fantastic.
Speaker 1: K Popper.
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, we had some really good players, man, and
we learned from a really good defense from the year
before and built off of those guys. And yeah, that's
we had. We had great players from you know yourself
and kill and Nixon and Markel Staffieri. You had a
good noseguard line Ethan Molly Butler, Luna was a freshman
that came in and played. I mean that was Yeah,
there's a lot of really good players on that team
that ended up becoming even better players as the years
went on.
Speaker 3: When you think of like the great defenses that you
were a part of, the great defenses that you've been
able to coach, uh, the great defenses that you've been
able to oversee in your your career, What are some
of the qualities of a great defense?
Speaker 2: Would you say, you know, we just hit this, we
just hit this yesterday. As the defense, and I believe
it all starts with an edge. Man, Great defenses play
with an edge like they play with this this confidence
and this swagger that everybody can feel. And I think
we've seen that the last couple of years. That edge
comes with you know, relentless pursuit and effort. You know,
there's physicality and violence that's played with it. There's this
you know, swagger. I don't want to say cockyness. It's
like right on the edge of being cocky, like everybody
knows they're good, but they you know, it's right to
the point where we're not going to go around. I'm
telling everybody that we're good. But I just I've felt
that here the last couple of years. For sure. It's
something that that twenty twelve team had. I think those
defenses was Danny, Danny Sorenson and you know, Kyle van
Oi and Ziggy and those guys. I felt that in
seven when I was here. There's a year at Virginia
we were really really good and felt the same way.
But it's I think it all starts with that. Man,
there's the swagger of this edge that that you play
with that comes from confidence of you you knowing what
to do and doing it at a high level.
Speaker 3: That h does that swagger? Is that kind of a negative?
Is it developed? Is it due to like position mastery?
Speaker 1: Is it dud?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: I think you got Yeah, I think you got to
earn it. I think you got to show it. You
got to earn it. And yeah, there was there's an
example I showed yesterday of Glasger of him playing with
this edge, and uh, and I told everybody it just
didn't happen overnight, Like Glasger just didn't show up and
all of a sudden that he had to He had
to go through it his first year in twenty twenty three, right,
he had to go through being a backup and you know,
going and making mistakes and learning the hard way a
couple of times. And then he gained more of that
as he played more in twenty four and then you
know last year in twenty five. But it just yeah,
it's turned over time. Man. It doesn't just happen. You've
got to earn that through not just hard work in
the weight room and on the field, but also just
knowing what to do and you got to make plays.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 3: Humans are creatures of habit, right, No one likes change
in the human, you know, amongst Homo sapiens, and so
there were some changes, right. You get an opportunity to
be DC and we've brought in some new coaches. Tell
us about some of the coaches that are coming in
and why they were the right fit for you and
your defense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll start with Chad Kaha. Like Chad's been with us,
Chad is a season season that when it comes to
coaching defensive ends and outside backers, and he's coaching big
time guys from his time at Utah Wisconsin to when
he went to USC and UCLA. And so he's been
with us the last three years and he's his role
what increased each each year. Last year he's kind of
like our past rush specialist and really you know, helped
kind of our our whole entire defense go to the
next level and get I think we got over thirty
sacks a year ago. And you know it was a
lot with just the work that he put in with
those guys. And so now he's he's going to be
over those outside backers and edge guys that I had
over the last couple of years, and and I think
he's I think he's exceptional with that. And so I
really like just his experience and just his attention to
detail in the way that he does things with those guys.
And then the two the two back end guys, I'm
extremely excited about, being very impressed. We've all been together
as a staff now for two weeks and uh and
really three weeks. I would say we've been together for
three weeks. And and Louis Walker coming from North Dakota
State that was at Mamath, that has some Utah tiys.
He has great energy, great detailed, very smart. He's a
guy that was that's been a coordinator before, right, so
he he knows defensive football. And he's not not just
the back end, he knows front play. And and then
the Mario Warren that's, you know, the guy that I
very first hired, that I told myself a long time
ago if I could ever hire anybody as a coordinator,
he probably my first started just how how impressed I
was with him when I was at Boise State. And
a guy that has head coaching experience, he's also called
defenses before, and he'll he'll be heavily, heavily involved in
our past game and uh calling the shots of how
things are going to be done on the back end,
and uh, you know this has been new for him.
It's uh, you know, he's been more of a two
high cover two, cover four type of guy and playing
more one high, you know, man free cover three and
some of this one high stuff that we do here.
It's been new for him and he's had to adjust
and he's been uncomfortable. So uh, it's it's been There's
been a change for a lot of us. But I
think that's where growth happens. Growth happens when you have
to go through that change. And so yeah, it's exciting.
I'm excited about the staff that we have, and I
think we've messed really well together over the last couple
of weeks that we've been together. And yeah, we started
spring ball here in a couple of days and we're
ready to rock and roll and get this thing going.
Speaker 3: Love that breakdown, Kelly pinga defensive coordinator here on your
Utah ESPN Radio Network. A couple of things I want
to ask you. You broke down the coaching staff and
maybe the skill sets that they provide to the team,
the roster, and uh one of the things I thought
was interesting. So initially to Mario Warren was maybe hired
to be the cornerbacks coach. But then you know, something changed, right,
I don't know if what the what was that process
like to figure out skill sets and best best personnel
to oversee your defense from a position group standpoint.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I you know when I when I try to
think of the best way it is when Gennaro decided
to leave and go to Michigan, I thought for sure
to Mario was going to be going to be our
corners coach. And then the more I was around him
and then just seeing his understanding of the back end
as we were talking through our defense. So there was
about a week or two there where we were just
all alone. We didn't have anybody else hired. Soon I
was here still, but we were talking more coverage stuff
and we were as we were going through that and
I was teaching them the defense, I just thought, man,
it would be it would be great if we could
find a great corners coach and to make this guy
a safeties coach, because I think you can coordinate the
back end in the pass game a lot better from
a safety position coach rather than a corners position coach.
I just think they they the safeties a lot of
times in the back end, they're making the calls and
telling the corners what to do, right, So I found
it would be a lot better if that was coming
from the safeties coach rather than him, you know, being
the corners coach. And so as I went through the
interview process and started interviewing all these different guys, that's
when I found Lewis and I was like, holy cow,
we can get this guy to coach our corners and
at the Mario coach the safeties. That's that's the combination
that we had. And we had a lot of really
good candidates. There was a lot of really good guys,
guys that I'd worked with before and guys that I
coached with before that are all really good coaches. And
I had never coached with Lewis, and so it was hard.
It was really that was a really hard to say
for me to make because I had some really good
friends and guys that had worked with before that were
very good, and really the hire a guy that I'd
never worked with before and really didn't know that was
that came highly recommended, and as we went through the
interview processes and we talked, I thought Lewis would be
he'd be an exceptional fit here. I thought he'd fit
really well with de Mario. And I knew that he
was also going to be loyal to Kilwey and to
a Rod and to the staff because he's been with
those guys from day one when he was a player
at the University of Utah. So I just felt like
there was a lot of positives. And then just with
his Utah ties, I just thought there was a lot
of things that he brought to the table. East Coast
recruiting he's got. I mean, we're already recruiting guys from
the East Coast now just because of his ties that
he had when he was at Mama Thing, when he
was at North Dakota State recruiting out there. So there
was just a ton of positives that came from hiring him.
And at the end of the day, you know, me
and Clonie talking it through, I just thought it was
a no brainer. I thought he, for sure, far and
away was the best candidate for us in this moment,
right and nothing against any of those other coaches. I
think those other coaches that interview were great and are
gonna be very successful whatever they do. But at this moment,
in this time of where our program was and what
our staff needed, I thought Louis was the best best
fit with tomorrow and you know the rest of our staff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for cornerbacks, you know, it seems like they're always
looking for like a technician to give me all the techniques,
give me all the footwork, what expound maybe on what
maybe Lewis can provide there, because Gennaro was always uh
labeled as that technician and developer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think Lewis there's you know you and
Lewis's he's pretty young dude man, and he's I think
he can mesh really well with our players. I think
he relates to him really well. And I think, you know,
immediately he's gained their respect as he's come in, and
I think, you know, I think as soon as a coach.
So players players are funny now, they know they know
immediately if you can coach or not. You sit in
one meeting for five minutes and you're like, oh, yeah,
this guy can coach or he can't coach, right, And
so day one he came out of their first meeting
and first walked through, and and you know, the DVS
were like, oh, yeah, goes, this is this is the
guy right here. This is who we needed, This is
who we wanted. And I think, you know, nothing against General.
General was a great coach and they did a great
job with those guys. But this is you know, like
you said, sometimes a new voice brings new ideas and
challenges guys in different ways. And you know, he just
coaches guys different Everybody coaches in different ways and has
different styles, and so this style of coaching and the
way that Lewis is going to do it, I think
is gonna sit really with our players. And at least
the feedback from the a couple of weeks that he's
been here has been really good for the players. And
so we'll see how it goes. Man, everybody's kind of
in the honeymoon phase right now. You know, when we
get on the field, when we get on the field
on Friday, and then we'll see when the bullets start
being a little live out there and actually, you know,
play football, we'll see how it goes. But as far
as walkthroughs and meetings and those things have gone, I
think we're right where we want to be at this point.
Speaker 3: A couple other things as it relates to the coaching
staff that I find intriguing everyone. All the Boa fans,
they love pressure, You love pressure being a linebacker, and
and uh, you know, just getting after quarterbacks, et cetera.
Chad K he's been there, he's been a part of
the squad. But what does he bring maybe to the
outside edge guys and the techniques that he employs and
the coaching at the form of fashion which he coaches.
Speaker 1: Uh, and and what type of impact do you think
coach Chad k can make?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's between the outside backers and the
inside backers that we have. I think we've I think
we've done a really good job as the staff recruiting
and so I think there's really good talent at both
of those positions. And I think Chad is going to
bring an opportunity to be able to We're gonna be
more versatile, I think than we've been, meaning in that way,
I think there's gonna be times kind of like how
we use glass at times where there's times where it
looks like he's outside backer at times where he's inside backer.
But now we're gonna be able to do that with
multiple guys, and I think that's gonna be uh you know,
that's a big part of why I moved the inside
backers because of my experience with outside backer and the
inside backers being able to do that too as well,
being able to go back and forth. And that's when
it gets hard for offenses when they can't identify whosho,
who's the inside backers the outside backer. And if you
watch the NFL and and if you looked and saw
what kind of the Patriots do with Kyle Banoay, it's
kind of a similar similar concept, right where what is
Kyle is then outside backer, he's an inside backers kind
of like what we did to Kyle with Kyle back
in the day. And we were doing that with Glassger
last year and Nucie at the end of the year.
So it's nothing new, but I think we're now going
to be able to do that with more guys and
be able to hide guys in positions that typically you know,
offensives might think they're, you know, an inside backer, but
they're an outside backer. Hey, this guy was an outside
backer's played four now he's an inside backer. So being
able to have that versatility. I think Chad brings that,
but I mean his specialties as rush and h I
think those guys are you know, from Hunter Klegg to
the new seed, the tall Seely. I think those guys
that played force last year, I think are going to
have just a new way to hear. I mean, you know, obviously,
you know, you know I'm leaving that room, but I
think a new voice going in there for those guys
is going to be doing It's going to help those guys,
you know, hopefully take the next step to be great
football players.
Speaker 3: Justin Ena taking over a special teams coordinator, and I
mean up to this point, I haven't seen anything official,
but he's not He's just coaching special teams. He's not
taking a position, correct, Yeah, yep.
Speaker 1: So co why.
Speaker 2: Coach Enna's playing are doing special teams because I think
we wanted to just get to a guy that just
coached special teams. So I think that probably was gonna
end up being my role. If every everything ended up
staying the same as my guests to where and you
could hire another assistant coach, right, So instead of having
ten full time assistant coaches, now we have eleven plus
the head coach, which makes you know, twelve full time
guys and and really, you know more with the unlimited
amount of coaching positions that the NCA has given us. Now,
I think that's going to even get bigger. I think
there's going to be other roles that are going to
continue to increase, increase your on my, on my, our staff,
and so we'll see, Yeah we're goes. But yeah, Justin's
a great coach. He's done a great job. But I
think he's kind of the same deal. I think he's
excited for you know, I don't want to speak for him,
but kind of the same deal, excited for kind of
a new adventure and a new way to learn and
grow as a coach.
Speaker 3: From a schematic standpoint, defensively, over the last few years,
how would you describe the defense?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 3: Is it a three four? Is it a four to three?
Is it a three three five? Is it multiple?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: How is it? By forget a BUYU?
Speaker 3: Fans are always asking me these questions, and I'm like, Hey,
this is what it looks like to me, and what
will it be?
Speaker 1: What will it look like going forward?
Speaker 2: Do you think the best way that I can describe
it is klan all right.
Speaker 1: I just know that, all right.
Speaker 2: I don't know how other way to say it. But
something in that, something in the middle of that, something
right in the middle of that is what it'll be,
something like that. So it'll be it'll be a mixture
of a bunch of stuff I've I've learned over the years.
But we're not going to depart, you know, too far
from our base of what we've done here the last
couple of years. And that's just that's just who Klanie is.
And you know, Coach as with us, and that's who
he is. And and they've taught me a ton over
the last couple of years. And Coach Hill I got it.
I mean I get a good that guy credit. He's
taught me a ton and just the scheme of things
and and and you know, just to I think everybody
just needs to understand, like at the end of the day,
you know, Coach Will leaves and he left this place
in a great spot. But Coach Will learned this defense
from Coach Anderson, he learned it from Kilanie. They all
learned it from Kyle Whittingham, right, So it's it's that
whole tree, right, So It's not like because Coach Hill
left and all of a sudden, this this whole defense
is gone. Like two of the main creators of this
defense are still in this building, right, and so getting
feedback from those guys every single day. Coach Anderson's in
our staff meetings every single day. Kilanie is in meetings
when he can when he's not doing head coach stuff.
I mean, he was in my position meeting all day
to day with the linebackers, right, So he's super passionate
about that. So having him that voice in there with
me is awesome and we see things very very similar,
which is good. And so just that involvement and they're
voices and their experiences that they have in this defense,
I think just gives gives myself as a new decordinator
of an advantage from two guys that have done the
scheme in the system for a very long time.
Speaker 3: Before we get to kind of an overarching kind of
going into the off season training, uh, you know, springball conversation.
Who stood out to you in the off season? I
know that hey, champions can be made in the weight
room and in the strength and conditioning room. Who's stood
out to you on the human performance side of things.
After all, you were going to be a human performance
coach before you got roped into this college football coaching game.
Speaker 2: I know, yeah so, And I think As has been
great man. He's strong, super strong kid, great leader. He
stood out to me probably more than anybody. But I
think even even our other leaders like our corners positions.
I've been really impressed with Evan. Evan Johnson's put on
some weight and some strength and some speed. He's looked
really good, and leadership qualities have been awesome. Raider to
Mooney on follat Ou saying, like the guys that you
thought were going to be that are great per ut
players for so those guys, those guys have had great
off seasons. And so I would say if I were
to pick one guy that's come out of nowhere and
as surprised the heck out of us as far as
just being ready to play in good shape, is uh.
Jake Clifton are the transfer from Kansas State, just came
home off a mission, got home in December, was here
eager to go in January. And he is He is
impressive man, and he moves well. He's big, he's strong,
he's fast. He just power clean. He just I mean,
he's been home a mission from a mission three months
and he's just power cleean the other day three thirty five,
which is really really hard to do for anybody, but
especially the guys that's just been home off a mission
for two months, three months. So I'm excited to see
him continue to progress and just the few things that
we've been able to do with them so far. I'm
excited about his movements and his leadership and his personality,
like he fits in really really well with what we
do here. And yeah, just you know, one of those
one of the surprises. Man, you usually think a missionary
is going to take about a year or so to
be able to clean you know what. He cleaned the
other dat power clean that. And he made it look
easy too as well. So I'm excited about that new guy.
Speaker 3: Overarching questions, this is a team question that I think
you guys.
Speaker 1: Talk about a lot. Continual consistent success.
Speaker 3: How do you balance the success eleven to two, twelve
and two back to back seasons. You try to leverage
that positive positively recruiting public relations, getting fans and donors engaged,
et cetera.
Speaker 1: But from a.
Speaker 3: Team standpoint, you know, still instilling like this, humble, hungry,
you know, compartmentalizing that these seasons are siloed in, they
are individual. You have to create the championship season in
the success right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you said it already, man, Look at that's
Kalanie's message, that's one of our core guys in Principal's years.
To stay humble and stay hungry. And honestly, it doesn't
matter what we've done in the past, nothing, none of
that matters. Nobody cares, I promise you right now, nobody
in the big twelve pairs how good we were the
last years. What matters is the work that we put
in right now, the belief and confidence we build with
each other over the next couple of months as we
get ready for the season, and we got to prepare
and we got to go earn it, and it's not
going to be given to us. And so I think
our guys are hungry, and I think they're anxious. I
think they're anxious to prove that we're better than what
we showed, you know, especially in those two games against
Texas Tech. But those games I think we were necessary.
They were necessary. We had to go through that to
be able to learn and grow to get to where
we want to now. And so if we handle it
the right way, then I believe it's going to help
us take us to the next level. And so I
tell our guys all the time, Man, we don't we
don't need to go around and tell everybody how good
we think we're going to be. All we need to
do is go talk or go do the work and
not do any talking. There's no talking necessary. And that's
that's one thing that I think in the past here,
not just any team, but I just think people get
so overhyped about the offseason and just all this guy's
coming back and this guy's coming back. It doesn't matter
who's coming back. At the end of the day, everybody
still has to put in the work and go through
the process to be great. There's been there's been great
teams here in the past that have had great depth
that went eating five or went you know whatever, nine
to four or whatever. So we want to take this
this depth that we have, in this experience that we
have and take it to a whole other level. And
we got to go earn it every single day, right,
And so Friday is kind of that first step and
really in the next phase, right, We're moving from the
off season winter phase conditioning into now springball. That's the
next phase. And we gotta we gotta win, win the
day every single day.
Speaker 3: And uh, and they're putting in the work just so
everybody knows, uh full transparency. The band of brothers tried
to get together and like do a little lunch with
K Pop and he's like, guys, I have to cancel.
Speaker 1: I'm way too busy.
Speaker 3: I'm like, the only way we're gonna be able to
get together and celebrate a K Pop becoming the defense
coring is if we meet at the y Mountain at
four thirty am for a quick run up the hill
like old.
Speaker 2: Times, only only if Bronco Menenham meets us there and
meets That's the only way. That's the only way we're
doing it. So we got to get we gotta get
an invite from Bronco. You gotta try to beat us,
because I guarantee you all of us are gonna be
able to beat them to the top.
Speaker 1: Yes we will be, Yes we will be the only time.
Speaker 3: This might be the only time in our lives that
we can see that Yep, amen to that cape appreciate
you hopping on. Congratulations on becoming the defensive coordinat Excited
to look at the defense at springball.
Speaker 2: Thank you all right, guys, appreciate you.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 3: That's Kelly Pavina, defensive coordinator BYU Cougar Football. Let's call
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