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Speaker 2: to you on a special Sunday night Monday. Uh from Hawthorne, California,
Speaker 2: I m P D Camrio and he is Kenneth Barry.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So a bit of a slow news week this week,
Speaker 2: especially compared to the last few weeks. But still a
Speaker 2: few updates that we're going to get through and break
Speaker 2: down for you over the.
Speaker 3: Course of the show.
Speaker 1: But otherwise, uh, I was weak any uh pretty solid. Actually,
Speaker 1: I made a made a last second decision. Actually that
Speaker 1: it wasn't really the last seconds. I know I was
Speaker 1: gonna do it for about two months, but I went
Speaker 1: down to Oakland and surprised my whole family for my
Speaker 1: grandma's eighty fifth birthday.
Speaker 3: Shout out to Grandma, shout out up Birthday Grandma.
Speaker 1: Hip shout out to my mama Mary and to her
Speaker 1: birthday was like two weeks ago. I took a greathound
Speaker 1: out there like Tuesday night, got there Wednesday morning, told
Speaker 1: my mom like, hey, I ordered something of my Famazon
Speaker 1: and the guys downstairs he needs you to let him
Speaker 1: in so Grandma can sign for the package. I get there,
Speaker 1: susan excuse me. She just starts crying beest. I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh shit, don't have a heart attack and die. Because
Speaker 1: last year I I surprised my grandma on her birthday
Speaker 1: or on the eighty fourth birthday, and me and my mom
Speaker 1: and my sister were in on it, and like she
Speaker 1: clutched her chest when she saw me and started crying.
Speaker 1: I was like, fuck, I can't. I can't surprise pop
Speaker 1: up on the family no more they can. I got
Speaker 1: like a WrestleMania level pop in the living room. That
Speaker 1: shit was kind of funny. My nephew, I say, it
Speaker 1: just runs up, jumps on me, Court Chelsea runs out
Speaker 1: the room with her with Nico, and like Nico, he's
Speaker 1: just turned four months so he can turn his neck now.
Speaker 1: He has actually surprisingly really good control of his neck
Speaker 1: and he can like turn over on the sides. So
Speaker 1: as Chelsea's running with the baby in her arms, he's
Speaker 1: looking at her like, slow down, bitch. It was the
Speaker 1: funniest thing. But yeah, it was good to good to
Speaker 1: see everybody.
Speaker 3: I only was.
Speaker 1: I was out there one day. I got there like
Speaker 1: seven after at eight in the morning, and I left
Speaker 1: at like eleven twenty that night and got back to
Speaker 1: Cali at like eight in the morning. Then I had
Speaker 1: to go run a bunch of errands and work, and yeah, mom,
Speaker 1: my boss of who's been at the NFL Network for
Speaker 1: like fifteen years, he's, uh, he's leaving. He got a
Speaker 1: job at the Atlanta Braves. He's moving back to Georgia.
Speaker 1: Family got a house out there. He's like, I never
Speaker 1: would have got a house out here, and we're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right. So it was good to kind of just
Speaker 1: pull up on him yesterday before I went to work,
Speaker 1: say my goodbyes because I'm probably not gonna see him
Speaker 1: this week. He gave me my first shot. He's the
Speaker 1: one who hired me an NFL Network three years ago.
Speaker 1: He's like, man, salute to you. I love all the
Speaker 1: work you do. Shouted out the pod too. It was dope.
Speaker 1: It's been a very like emotionally fulfilling week for me.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's what's up. That's dope for me.
Speaker 2: I just got back from a Vegas a few days ago,
Speaker 2: which was cool, just to get out the city for
Speaker 2: a little bit fuck around. I went to the Clipper
Speaker 2: game Hell Kitty Night with my girl, which was cool.
Speaker 2: She bought me there James Harden jersey, so that was dope.
Speaker 2: And uh yeah, man, I had my first five month
Speaker 2: five tournament today which was cool.
Speaker 3: My eight year olds went to and oh so that
Speaker 3: was that was cool.
Speaker 2: I didn't really have high expectations, but my guys are gamers.
Speaker 2: Apparently they hit the switch, so I was great. I
Speaker 2: mean even my little seven year olds, who I've only
Speaker 2: been working with for like a week or so, they
Speaker 2: really got out there and.
Speaker 3: Competed the end of the day, Like the end of
Speaker 3: the day.
Speaker 2: Things like this, they're just like tests that just kind
Speaker 2: of you know, mark where you're at at that moment
Speaker 2: in time, you know.
Speaker 3: So it's not.
Speaker 2: It's not the end all be all, obviously, you know,
Speaker 2: we're trying to get to fall, trying to win and tackle.
Speaker 2: But for now it's a nice little confidence booster to
Speaker 2: know we're on the right track. So I was happy
Speaker 2: about that. Otherwise, man, yeah, I guess do you want
Speaker 2: to talk about as far as college football.
Speaker 3: So salute.
Speaker 1: Salute to Fran Brown, Syracuse head coach. He talked about
Speaker 1: how program that's mandatory for all Syracuse players, that it's
Speaker 1: like the Syracuse sixty like sixty days after they graduate
Speaker 1: or whatever, these guys get jobs, they get placed somewhere,
Speaker 1: which is really dope as a coach, as a college coach,
Speaker 1: you know, cats go play football at Syracuse and they're
Speaker 1: guaranteed the job somewhere. Like that's a great recruiting sales pitch.
Speaker 1: And that's what I would want a coach to do
Speaker 1: for my kid, if I'm going to play football for
Speaker 1: you for four years or five years, or six years
Speaker 1: or seven years. Because LSU running back John Emery, who
Speaker 1: tours ACL against USC last year, he's trying to get
Speaker 1: a seventh year of eligibility. But Brian Kelly's like, we're
Speaker 1: good at running back, but we'll support now wherever it goes.
Speaker 1: So hopefully he can find somewhere we can play, you know,
Speaker 1: for seventh year. Kind of crazy, Like I remember when
Speaker 1: this dude came out of college and he was one
Speaker 1: of the top running backs in the country, five star prospects.
Speaker 1: He's just had so many injuries. It's kind of sad.
Speaker 1: Hopefully he gets to play somewhere. It's just not gonna
Speaker 1: be at LSU.
Speaker 2: Also, everybody's just Chris Winky these days. Shit, it's not
Speaker 2: even bro Chris Wink. At least went to play baseball.
Speaker 1: These cats are in college seven eight, nine years. I
Speaker 1: need to go back to college.
Speaker 3: Shit.
Speaker 1: I know I got my degree, but I'm pretty I
Speaker 1: got I played at a juwe I was at a
Speaker 1: Juco for three years, so I'm pretty sure I'm old smeligibility.
Speaker 1: Back in CEA Sports announced that the payments for players
Speaker 1: in the game is gonna go from six hundred fifteen
Speaker 1: hundred dollars. Not only that.
Speaker 3: Adds it's quite lovely.
Speaker 1: I'll take that. From teen hundred, that's a stadium check
Speaker 1: right there.
Speaker 2: Not only that, hopefully we get all the players in
Speaker 2: there next year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I'd opted for fifteen hundred kawhi. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So let's the other news. USC Michigan had their pro day.
Speaker 1: Johnson Ron I think allegedly he ran a slow time
Speaker 1: a lot of them guys didn't run forties.
Speaker 3: A lot of people say he's falling down boards.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he allegedly didn't run a fast forty allegedly,
Speaker 1: But I'm like, okay, he can play safety. He's a
Speaker 1: functionally great corner. Wouldn't be surprised if we ended up
Speaker 1: on the raiders. I'm just being honest. But uh, I
Speaker 1: mean you think he falls another first. No, he's not
Speaker 1: falling out the first. That's that's too crazy. I see
Speaker 1: a Michigan corner like, that's not.
Speaker 3: Nah.
Speaker 1: But uh, let's see Cooper Lovelace, no Colon Love, I
Speaker 1: forget his first name. But the tight end for Michigan,
Speaker 1: Mason Graham, Kenneth Grant, A lot of these, A lot
Speaker 1: of these guys from Michigan. They mostly just did position testing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of cats just who are already locked in
Speaker 1: the first round picks. It's like, why run a forty
Speaker 1: and remove all doubt? I guess that's one of those
Speaker 1: type things. Also, Alabama's Pro day, Jalen mill Road. They
Speaker 1: said initially he ran a four three seven. Officially he
Speaker 1: was clocked like a four to four with a one
Speaker 1: four ten yard one four four ten yard split, which
Speaker 1: is insanely fast.
Speaker 3: I didn't have to do the Braxton Milly.
Speaker 1: They're they're saying he's gotta They're saying he has the
Speaker 1: first round.
Speaker 2: Gread now what they're saying he's ability.
Speaker 3: It looked like he had never thrown the rock before.
Speaker 1: They say, well he got his hands were regard bigger
Speaker 1: at the combine.
Speaker 2: Not even I'm not even talking about that hands. I'm
Speaker 2: talking about just the way he was throwing the ball.
Speaker 2: He did not have a good week, bro Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, they're saying that, uh, he's he could go as
Speaker 1: early as twenty one. They're saying he has with Anthony
Speaker 1: richards I'm saying he's having an Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 3: No fucking way, Broe run.
Speaker 2: Those are the same people that say said that Hayten
Speaker 2: Noogart was going to go in the first round a
Speaker 2: few years ago.
Speaker 1: Richardson went fifth overall, didn't he?
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I don't know, it's different.
Speaker 2: Richardson looks like he's a quarterback, even if he didn't
Speaker 2: do it at Florida. He looked like a quarterback in workouts.
Speaker 2: Melroe looks like an athlete who can throw.
Speaker 1: They loved his Pro day workout crazy. They left his workout.
Speaker 1: A couple other guys ran pretty much.
Speaker 2: All those SEC dudes you'd be chatting with the water cooler.
Speaker 2: That is the saying he's got a first round grade
Speaker 2: Renos SEC blogs. You know it's true, dude, that's why
Speaker 2: you laughing.
Speaker 1: There's a consensus. There's definitely a Bamba bias. So he's
Speaker 1: definitely already seen as like he could go to the
Speaker 1: Steelers because really he just needs a good quarterback coach.
Speaker 3: He can be good.
Speaker 1: He's a dynamic athlete. And I think if he commits,
Speaker 1: but he ain't starting his rookie year, tell you that.
Speaker 3: Much for sure. Not no way, there's no way he
Speaker 3: starts his rookie year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just don't see it. And then also Deonne
Speaker 1: Sanders and Fran Brown, we're talking about having the first
Speaker 1: ever joint spring spring game Syracuse, Colorado. They're working on
Speaker 1: they're working on that. That's taking the next steps.
Speaker 2: I think that's a good move. I think that's a
Speaker 2: good future way to do with these spring games. I mean,
Speaker 2: we've been talking about how they're kind of relevant or
Speaker 2: at least, you know, less important to these schools.
Speaker 3: So I think that's a good way to go about it.
Speaker 1: Well, the the petition to allow it, it's it hasn't
Speaker 1: been denied, so it would actually be on April nineteenth.
Speaker 1: That's the crazy part. Because Colorado spring game is scheduled
Speaker 1: for April nineteenth. They're gonna meet on April tenth to
Speaker 1: see if the waiver should be allowed. And it's like
Speaker 1: it'd be the first one. It would be the first
Speaker 1: thing of its kind, and the first two people to
Speaker 1: do it are two black coaches, So that's that's definitely.
Speaker 1: It's definitely something that people are really hyped about. And
Speaker 1: there's another story and she can stay canceled their spring
Speaker 1: game and coach Jonathan Smith he said they're gonna take
Speaker 1: advantage of the practice time. There's multiple factors, but there's
Speaker 1: gonna it's better for them to just take advantage of
Speaker 1: the practice time. That's what they were pretty much saying.
Speaker 3: And then.
Speaker 1: Also, shit, there's one more that's actually really important that
Speaker 1: I keep forgetting to me sure I keep pushing it
Speaker 1: down the line. So in regards to it's like a
Speaker 1: hold on shit. I had the story pin marks because
Speaker 1: it made me laugh when.
Speaker 3: I saw it.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, cal got like nineteen transfers one of them
Speaker 1: was the Oregon QB who's a five star. And literally,
Speaker 1: like all these schools that all these schools that are
Speaker 1: gearing up recruiting wise, connection for them cancing their spring
Speaker 1: games and them getting a bunch of transfers is kind
Speaker 1: of like spooking some of the smaller schools because like
Speaker 1: Sack State, they've been on a roll. They they already
Speaker 1: are on the verge of getting one hundred million dollars
Speaker 1: in money, Like they already met their fifty million dollar goal.
Speaker 1: Now they have like a seventy five million dollar and
Speaker 1: one hundred million dollar goal. They got a bunch of transfers.
Speaker 1: They have like the number one FCS class in the country,
Speaker 1: and they had a top twenty five recruiting class. So
Speaker 1: all these coaches are coming out on North Carolina State
Speaker 1: head coach and a couple of the coaches are like,
Speaker 1: I didn't get into coaching for ni L. It's really
Speaker 1: killing the sport of target to build culture because they
Speaker 1: in all know this other shit. And my thing is, don't.
Speaker 3: You get paid handsomely?
Speaker 1: Yeah that's fair. Why are y'all all why are you
Speaker 1: complaining like hoes? Like just straight up bitches, like and
Speaker 1: then kids, Like there's a story coming out there's these
Speaker 1: coaches are mad that like kids is what guy said.
Speaker 1: Oh these kids care more about NIL then they do football.
Speaker 1: And I'm like it's crazy. Everybody wants to be all
Speaker 1: conservative when it comes to finances and their money and
Speaker 1: want to talk what the fuck shot was that? That
Speaker 1: was awful? They deserve to lose. So everybody's talking about
Speaker 1: how like these kids don't appreciate it. Il Sonny Dyke said,
Speaker 1: these kids want NFL money coming into college. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: do too. If I hit if I hit the lottery
Speaker 1: and win a billion dollars, yeah, I would want that.
Speaker 1: If you're telling me I'm eighteen years old and could
Speaker 1: make six figures generational life changing well to my family.
Speaker 3: To play football, Yeah, I'm an exhaustion. Whin fucking boys
Speaker 3: are wearing aps.
Speaker 1: Oh that a got a paddy, that's make me state.
Speaker 1: He's going he's going to North Carolina State with the
Speaker 1: coach and he already has like.
Speaker 2: Twelve in il deals red lightning wak. So these guys
Speaker 2: could run. He ran, so these guys could fly. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because Buddy, I was like, you can't play a
Speaker 1: liquor basketball and you out here getting I'm a you
Speaker 1: get more than the players. That's crazy. That's just like
Speaker 1: an overarching college football thing. Yeah, Matt Wise, former Michigan coach,
Speaker 1: got charged with fourteen council unauthorized computer access and ten
Speaker 1: council identity theft. So you know, take that how you will.
Speaker 1: And then the NAA changed.
Speaker 3: In IL rule.
Speaker 1: NBA is a lot of athletes to negotiating IL contracts
Speaker 1: before they commit to a school after a settlement was
Speaker 1: reached per Dann Murphy. So they yeah, they agreed to
Speaker 1: permanently eliminate a rule that prohibits athletes from negotiating in
Speaker 1: IL deals until after they enroll in college. So literally
Speaker 1: they can secure a bag before they commit. I mean
Speaker 1: that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Why wouldn't you want to have financial reassurance before you
Speaker 2: make the commit.
Speaker 1: Would love to see it. These coaches are gonna be
Speaker 1: mad that the kids make more than I was like
Speaker 1: well as opposed to when it was a slavery system
Speaker 1: to where you're working for free and you never have
Speaker 1: the opportunity to make any money and they can pull
Speaker 1: your scholarship at any time. Do you want to talk
Speaker 1: to some walk ons about how they're being treated like.
Speaker 1: It's just I think it's great that the money's in
Speaker 1: these kids' hands. And I love what fran Brown and
Speaker 1: Tyracus is doing. He enrolls them every week, the entire
Speaker 1: team in financial literacy classes, and every everybody on the
Speaker 1: team with Crusoe would block a shot. That's hilarious. Everybody
Speaker 1: on the team has to say of their nil mandatory.
Speaker 2: I think there's just a lot of resentment from these
Speaker 2: old heads that are like, hey, we didn't get shipped
Speaker 2: when we played, or we only got this amount.
Speaker 3: So these white coaches it I think. I don't think
Speaker 3: it's just the white coaches.
Speaker 1: I think it's a lot.
Speaker 3: I think it's a.
Speaker 2: Lot of the old heads, even though the assistant coaches
Speaker 2: and things like that, because I mean, you never make back.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter how much money you make in your life,
Speaker 2: you never make back the money you didn't make exactly. Like,
Speaker 2: so for these players to be getting this right now,
Speaker 2: like that's sitting in their foundation, regardless if they make
Speaker 2: it or not. You know, they're getting a nice little
Speaker 2: nest egg in the foundation to build upon and they
Speaker 2: can build businesses and help their families out. I mean, shit,
Speaker 2: even Michael Vick has talked about it. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I was on every magazine, but I had no money
Speaker 2: in my pocket and my family was still in Newport News. Like,
Speaker 2: you know how much of a stress that was on
Speaker 2: my mental Like I'm sure he feels like he probably
Speaker 2: could have, you know, made his younger brother's life easier
Speaker 2: if he had would have had money and been able
Speaker 2: to get him out of that situation.
Speaker 3: You know, So whatever the case, I get it, I
Speaker 3: get I get the resistance to change.
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, like you know,
Speaker 2: if if the lowest man on the roster is making
Speaker 2: more than it than he was fifty years ago, eventually
Speaker 2: the coaches are going to catch up. Eventually all these
Speaker 2: players are, all these players and assistants, Like, eventually everyone's
Speaker 2: going to start making more bread. But right now, it's
Speaker 2: just they're trying to catch up because the players were
Speaker 2: so far behind for so long.
Speaker 1: But yeah, uh yep. One two last things, Iron Leftwich
Speaker 1: is now coaching at Colorado. What's your staff? It's great
Speaker 1: because it's crazy how he just couldn't get a job
Speaker 1: anywhere in the NFL. It's kind of weird to me.
Speaker 1: And then uh, yeah, since Eddie George took the job
Speaker 1: at Bowling Green. Kevin Barlow, who's the coach of the
Speaker 1: DC Defenders, is now the new head coach at Tennessee State.
Speaker 1: And that's it for control bother's that's all I got.
Speaker 1: The Clippers just blew this game.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, the coaching and coaching and the refs really
Speaker 2: killed that game for them, and just overall temperament. It
Speaker 2: really just kind of they really just kind of lost
Speaker 2: their mental toughness after a couple of calls and go
Speaker 2: their way, and the whole fucking bottom just fell out.
Speaker 1: Josh, James, Harden and Fred to take the last shot
Speaker 1: because what the fuck was that?
Speaker 2: I mean, I get Kawhi well because he Kawhi was
Speaker 2: bowing up Cruise a long night, I get it, But yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know Cruci had help.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, get the game winning three pretty
Speaker 1: much that kept him ahead and he had the game
Speaker 1: winning block.
Speaker 3: All right, yeah, man, take your tangent. I'll just start
Speaker 3: with this one.
Speaker 2: I'll I'll allow you to recluse yourself from this conversation.
Speaker 2: But rumors are heating up again that ESPN is ready
Speaker 2: to buy NFL Network once again. These rumors have been
Speaker 2: going on for about six years, seven years.
Speaker 3: They heat it up probably like three years.
Speaker 2: Ago, two years ago, and they kind of died down.
Speaker 2: Nothing happened, and now it looks like it's going to
Speaker 2: happen again.
Speaker 3: I'll just say this.
Speaker 2: Consolidation in any industry is not great. You know, you
Speaker 2: never want to see two become one, regardless of what
Speaker 2: people will say like, oh, you know that's gonna give
Speaker 2: us more power to do X and X, or do
Speaker 2: X and y, or you know that's gonna give us
Speaker 2: more longevity and more runway and more resources.
Speaker 3: At the end of the day, like.
Speaker 2: You never you never want to take a pie, and uh,
Speaker 2: you never want to have less less you never want
Speaker 2: to take you never want to have one dessert instead
Speaker 2: of two.
Speaker 3: Like so.
Speaker 2: Sucks for really all of the sports industry because even
Speaker 2: though NFL Network is you know, grossly underpaid, and uh,
Speaker 2: they don't have benefits and they don't have enough black people,
Speaker 2: and they don't have enough you know, basic benefits. Like
Speaker 2: it's a good entry level position for a lot of folks.
Speaker 2: Like that's where a lot of people get their start
Speaker 2: because they do do a lot for you know, entry
Speaker 2: level and younger employees. It's just they kind of have
Speaker 2: a bottle neck as you move up. But either way,
Speaker 2: like that's.
Speaker 3: Just a whole a whole.
Speaker 2: Arm that's going to just get smaller, which kind of sucks.
Speaker 2: But yeah, we'll see. I mean, I guess it's for
Speaker 2: the ESPN world. What they're really after is just all
Speaker 2: the content. They want to relaunch their streaming app and
Speaker 2: have NFL films and all the NFL archives to really
Speaker 2: kind of anchor it. And NFL Plus was a total bust.
Speaker 2: So NFL Networks like, yeah, we don't really know what
Speaker 2: we're doing. We just know that we print money. But like,
Speaker 2: technically we print money anyway, so we really don't need
Speaker 2: this extra arm to keep printing money. We can just
Speaker 2: you know, ride it off and just do what we
Speaker 2: do anyways. Just one less headache, one less thing they
Speaker 2: have to look over for them. But yeah, man, sucks
Speaker 2: for all the sports media out there. But it's nothing new.
Speaker 2: I guess it's just another day for us. Uh, moving
Speaker 2: on some something on the same theme, but everyone's been talking.
Speaker 3: About what Aaron Rodgers is gonna do.
Speaker 2: Reportedly, the Giants are still interested, the Steelers are still
Speaker 2: being aggressive. He's still kind of taking away and see approach. Nonetheless,
Speaker 2: they are a rumors saying that all the media companies
Speaker 2: are not interested in Aaron Rodgers potentially taking on a
Speaker 2: broadcast role like Tony Romo, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, et cetera.
Speaker 2: So take her tangent on Aaron Rodgers potentially being in
Speaker 2: the media post his career.
Speaker 1: Kenny, I mean he might end up on out Kick
Speaker 1: or somewhere like that, like RG three's trying to do,
Speaker 1: because cooning is embarrassed. Like, Bro, we get it, you
Speaker 1: love white people, but like, at some point, at some point,
Speaker 1: you gotta stop saying shit that makes klansmen and people
Speaker 1: who like that, black people from trees happy. Too much
Speaker 1: of your talking points and lines with motherfuckers who hate you,
Speaker 1: and it's weird to me but public if we say that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, when you break it down, Aaron Rodgers is
Speaker 1: not of a great Q rating, his popularity is not high,
Speaker 1: and he'd have to stick with McAfee or do his
Speaker 1: own thing. But uh, I mean, just sign the contract
Speaker 1: with the Steelers, Bro, there's nowhere else for you to play.
Speaker 1: Russ can at least like pigeonhole into another team. But
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, your last chance to start is Pittsburgh, and
Speaker 1: honestly he might be the one person who can calm
Speaker 1: down that wide receiver room full of crashouts.
Speaker 3: Yeah uh yeah.
Speaker 2: On that note of every one was asking Cam Hayward, like,
Speaker 2: how would you feel if Aaron Rodgers became your quarterback?
Speaker 2: Because he made that comment, like, well, I'm not going
Speaker 2: on darkness retreat.
Speaker 3: He's like, I didn't call him out.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying like I literally wouldn't go up, like
Speaker 2: it's not my thing, Like I wouldn't go with him.
Speaker 2: Like I'm not saying I don't want him to be
Speaker 2: my teammate. I'm not saying he's a shit he guy.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying like, like.
Speaker 1: Missed me with all the performative shit, and let's just
Speaker 1: get to playing football. Basically pretty much what he said.
Speaker 2: But yeah, man, I think for me, I mean, I
Speaker 2: think eventually the kind of negative sentiment around him will
Speaker 2: kind of die down a little bit and people will want.
Speaker 3: To hear from him. I think.
Speaker 2: Right now, it's just the narrative around him is so
Speaker 2: convoluted between the you know, a uasca, between the you know,
Speaker 2: retirement shit, like just a lot around him, and I
Speaker 2: think it's hard for people to really understand them they
Speaker 2: feel about him. But I think once he does actual
Speaker 2: she call it quid quits and maybe takes a year
Speaker 2: off and isn't around, there's gonna be a lot of
Speaker 2: people that are gonna miss him and there gonna want
Speaker 2: him around the game. So yeah, who knows, maybe he
Speaker 2: would do something for fucking cal football.
Speaker 1: I don't know, probably not. He was up there and
Speaker 1: Rob River is the general manager.
Speaker 2: Vera's salary was somebody's Some of those alumni are giving
Speaker 2: back because who got resources, don't win, but they still
Speaker 2: got resources.
Speaker 1: He might go shoot, tell their athletics. Tell tell the
Speaker 1: academic side of that. M hm, cause you know, let's
Speaker 1: talk about the the UC system and never mind, that's
Speaker 1: a whole different podcast. We got to mention, by the way,
Speaker 1: since we're just talking about U S schools, to bring
Speaker 1: it back football letters, there's a specific.
Speaker 3: That's cool. Did they get rid of occidental football?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think they're trying to bring that back to
Speaker 1: but they're bringing back specific D three. I'm about to
Speaker 1: hit him up and see he's good.
Speaker 3: Oh uh, you didn't talk about that whole.
Speaker 2: Stanford situation, Stanford situation, the coach getting getting another allegation
Speaker 2: of bullying like Trey Taylor, Yeah he got another one
Speaker 2: after he had one last year, and they're like, Andrew Luck,
Speaker 2: your silence is kind of deafening.
Speaker 1: I mean define bullying because Stanford was kind of looking
Speaker 1: soft at times.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: But the assistance, not the players, the assistants and the
Speaker 2: admins and like the toxic of work culture.
Speaker 1: Stanford, bro I don't even care. It's power. Danford doesn't
Speaker 1: even consider itself part of the Bay, so fuck them.
Speaker 3: That's when they're literally on the bay.
Speaker 1: They're literally into the.
Speaker 2: Bay there, literally in there. It's literally like a fucking island.
Speaker 3: You're twenty minutes from fucking cow.
Speaker 2: Probably depending which way you go in the traffic and
Speaker 2: the tol Fee.
Speaker 1: Okay, you're very close to sanse State. San Jose is
Speaker 1: entirely in the Bay.
Speaker 2: It's a crazy take from you, because when I first met.
Speaker 3: You, you wouldn't have agreed with that.
Speaker 1: Nah, I said.
Speaker 2: You would have been like, yeah, they're kind of our stepsister.
Speaker 3: We ignowledge them.
Speaker 1: They got their own little weird shit going on in
Speaker 1: their own pocket. They're not cool enough. They're not cool
Speaker 1: enough and not historic enough to be Long Beach, but
Speaker 1: we fun with them. They're like the Lakewood of the
Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, they're na, Like what I was gonna.
Speaker 3: Say, It wasn't linked with like a sundown down in
Speaker 3: one win.
Speaker 1: It was and then all the pollies and black people
Speaker 1: moved in and they're like, you know, you can't get
Speaker 1: away from us now. They all all some of the
Speaker 1: racist hide out in Crito's. But we don't talk about
Speaker 1: Crito's because Crito's fucking sucks. Even people who live in
Speaker 1: Torito's are like, we're just we're just want to be
Speaker 1: left alone.
Speaker 2: What about Westminister, Westminster? Yeah with the dog show, No Westminister.
Speaker 1: I don't Westminster whatever. I don't think about it. I
Speaker 1: think about Westchester. I don't think about west white area.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like a white area, but it's kind
Speaker 1: of hood like. So that's why I'm like, I don't
Speaker 1: know how it feels confusing. It's like a confusing little area.
Speaker 2: It's like, uh, it's like the midpoint between Long Beach
Speaker 2: and the OC. Basically, it's like the gateway between those
Speaker 2: two areas.
Speaker 1: It's like, how, you know, how people don't people don't
Speaker 1: realize how close Carson, Compton and Guardina are to each other.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like that they're all family.
Speaker 1: They will jump you, like.
Speaker 2: Honestly, Like I know Anaheim and Irvin o the OC,
Speaker 2: but I don't realize how close they are because there's
Speaker 2: so much traffic.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, it's like Artisia is a city. Yeah, people forget,
Speaker 1: but you don't look at our Tiesia as a city.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Pretty much. To get Pioneer Chicken, it's.
Speaker 1: The loading screen to get to Long Beach.
Speaker 2: Which Pioneer Chicken is having to comeback. Shout out to
Speaker 2: my dad, that's his favorite chicken spot. Shout outs to tequila.
Speaker 2: Is it tequila Jacks?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think it's tequila Jacks. Whiskey not whiskey pets, but
Speaker 1: it's I think it's tequila Jacks. Don't either way?
Speaker 2: All right, Uh moving on, touchdown to turn over here,
Speaker 2: I got one for you.
Speaker 3: Hold on, let me play the sound.
Speaker 1: So Michael Vick offered Donovan McNabb junior scholarship. He's a
Speaker 1: wide receiver who has offered from Arizona, Syracusan the Iowa State.
Speaker 2: So fucking crazy ass a moment like that's fucking wild
Speaker 2: that you said that. That kind of brings me to tears, bro, Like,
Speaker 2: that's fucking crazy. Waited for this one because Donovanue now
Speaker 2: like literally recruited Michael Vig like and then Vic took
Speaker 2: his job, and then Vic took his job. Now he's
Speaker 2: extending in all the branch his son. Like that's crazy
Speaker 2: at an HBC, you know, last but the epilogue of
Speaker 2: the Black Quarterbacks just it's amazing, Like the.
Speaker 1: Landing is just crazy.
Speaker 2: Uh but yeah, man, I hope he lends him. That'd
Speaker 2: be dope. But yeah, that's that's that's fucking wild because
Speaker 2: like Syracuse was literally like a big second choice. He
Speaker 2: just wanted to stay closer to home because of his family.
Speaker 2: But yeah, he pretty much turned around Junior Tech from
Speaker 2: tik to.
Speaker 1: A print of power. Yeah, you can say he started
Speaker 1: the lineage of black quarterbacks a vigiona tech.
Speaker 2: He really did, He really did. All right, Uh, let's
Speaker 2: start off with the obvious one. Jamis Winston to the Giants,
Speaker 2: touchdown or turnover. It's gonna be both because Jais, it's
Speaker 2: a split, it's a push, it's gonna be touchdown.
Speaker 1: You're in a casino, That's what we call a push. Yeah,
Speaker 1: everybody's saying Millie Neighbors is gonna have the greatest season
Speaker 1: of all time one hundred and forty six receptions, twenty
Speaker 1: four hundred yards and twenty touchdowns.
Speaker 2: But they're gonna go three and fourteen. I mean, they're
Speaker 2: not wrong. James has made a cast some money, bro.
Speaker 2: He has made a lot of receivers money, bro. He
Speaker 2: made jer Judy. He saved j Judy's career for.
Speaker 1: Being ship.
Speaker 3: Hunch yourself?
Speaker 1: How did you not see her?
Speaker 3: I didn't even hear the door overn.
Speaker 2: You have, No, I could have just got splinterself and
Speaker 2: not even known it, like the fact that you didn't
Speaker 2: even flinch, Like damn, I could have just got murdered.
Speaker 3: I saw her walking crazy you have. This is why
Speaker 3: you can't.
Speaker 1: Be a lookout. You wouldn't have survived the Yellow Jackets.
Speaker 1: I got your season two. You already know what or whatever?
Speaker 3: Kenny, we talked about this. Do I need to call
Speaker 3: Nikki stop reading about shows before you finish them. I
Speaker 3: don't even go already? Fuck?
Speaker 1: How dare you? Yeah? First off, Niki, Nikki finish took
Speaker 1: seven years to fucking see that show. Yeah, No, I
Speaker 1: beat those allegations. That's on her anyway, she probably already
Speaker 1: watched it. She probably don't remember what happened.
Speaker 2: Anyways, I'm gonna say it's a touchdown because it was
Speaker 2: one of the last few jobs. I mean, the Giants
Speaker 2: will probably be mad, but at least probably be mad.
Speaker 2: At least they'll be more exciting than when they had
Speaker 2: Tommy DeVito or whatever.
Speaker 1: I think they still have him on the roster.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean they got it's Slaton left right,
Speaker 2: Slatan' still there, so they still got Slatin, and they
Speaker 2: got neighbors, they got receivers, they can push the ball downfield.
Speaker 4: They signed Zach Pascal. That's solid. I mean he's not good.
Speaker 4: I said solid. I didn't say that's good. I said
Speaker 4: that's solid.
Speaker 1: Imagine getting hired and saying, yeah, you're not great, you're
Speaker 1: not good, but it's a solid higher. That's wild. I'll
Speaker 1: take that head. That's better than saying, yeah, you suck.
Speaker 1: So it's like you're an adequate higher. We don't regret
Speaker 1: hiring you. You're just not special.
Speaker 2: But yeah, man, I think it's a touchdown for Jamis something.
Speaker 2: He's a touchdown for the Giants. I mean, if if anything.
Speaker 2: If they end up drafting a quarterback and he ends
Speaker 2: up starting, you can always just trade Jamis for a uh,
Speaker 2: you know, middle round pick.
Speaker 3: Whatever. I'm sure the starting quarterback is gonna get hurt.
Speaker 1: They see and well.
Speaker 3: We'll see the Kirk Cousins Domino move at the draft.
Speaker 1: I think to see where mil Row goes.
Speaker 3: This is the most you've talked about Milroe all year.
Speaker 3: I said you, I told her kicking sec guys, but
Speaker 3: I told her.
Speaker 1: The producers at work.
Speaker 2: I think you should have went back to college. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you've been saying that that's been your boy.
Speaker 1: And the shaman did him no favors. Yeah he had
Speaker 1: you had twenty rushing touchdowns. That's cool, but like you
Speaker 1: can't play any other position. We knew you ran a
Speaker 1: four to four. We watched you for three years. We
Speaker 1: knew you were fast. Like, should have stuck with that,
Speaker 1: should have stuck with the head coach that was teaching
Speaker 1: you how to be a quarterback. And you could have
Speaker 1: thrown a sophomore Ryan Williams for one more year. I mean,
Speaker 1: I would have took the extra year. It's not like
Speaker 1: he wasn't better than any quarterback in this class. He
Speaker 1: probably I mean, you got quinn Ewers is probably not
Speaker 1: make a like fifth round. I'm saying, like it's a
Speaker 1: if you're not in the top three, it's not looking
Speaker 1: great for you. At quarterback.
Speaker 2: Jerome Baker lands with the Browns touchdown or turnover, that's
Speaker 2: a touchdown.
Speaker 1: He's a hometown kid. He was actually a quarterback on
Speaker 1: the state title in high school, multi purpose athlete, won
Speaker 1: a national title at Ohio State. Now gets to come home.
Speaker 1: I wanted the Raiders to get him because he's a
Speaker 1: great cover drawing backer. But you know, it's too much.
Speaker 1: It's too much like asking for too much, like asking
Speaker 1: for a condiment playing parent dus.
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 2: Say it's a touchdown because he's on the right side
Speaker 2: of thirty. I mean, the hometown story is a great addition,
Speaker 2: cheap deal, and I mean the Browns really haven't done
Speaker 2: shit use in free agencies.
Speaker 1: So they got Tivin Jenkins the guard young.
Speaker 2: He's young though, That's what I'm saying, Like he's cool,
Speaker 2: which actually he feels a void for them. He does,
Speaker 2: but it's not like a earth shattering move. I mean, hey,
Speaker 2: it's a good move. It's not an elite it's better
Speaker 2: than Zach Pascal's iron exactly. That's why I didn't say
Speaker 2: solid guy's good for.
Speaker 3: Uh, you know, one, he's a good number four.
Speaker 2: One big time clutch fucking catch every six game.
Speaker 1: Like he's a good number four.
Speaker 2: He's good for an eighteen point fantasy outing randomly for.
Speaker 3: Two years some shit like that.
Speaker 2: All right, Uh, the Rams sign Nate Landman and a
Speaker 2: Kilo Witherspoon.
Speaker 1: Touchdown The Rams did at the Falcons resign Natel that
Speaker 1: the Falcons signed him? Did they they did resign Heilo Witherspoon. Now, no,
Speaker 1: they signed they signed him. Oh so now they just
Speaker 1: have three guys who can play the rud and not
Speaker 1: pass very well.
Speaker 3: Sounds like the Rams. The Alabama's a.
Speaker 2: Bunch of their safeties of coverage back. So touchdown and turnover.
Speaker 2: I guess how call it a touchdown? Almost say it's
Speaker 2: a touchdown Witherspoon because I feel like last year he
Speaker 2: wasn't signed. They added him lately just as kind of
Speaker 2: filler played good enough. But he played good enough exactly.
Speaker 2: He made a I think he had like a pick
Speaker 2: six that was big for them. At some point in
Speaker 2: the season.
Speaker 1: It feel like they're gonna take a corner. They're gonna
Speaker 1: get a corner or line back.
Speaker 3: I mean they kind of should.
Speaker 1: They're in the perfect spot. They're good. It's somebody really good.
Speaker 2: I think they really have after the corner since, like
Speaker 2: what since they were taking corners every year and they
Speaker 2: were all busting like in the second.
Speaker 1: Round, Like yeah, Jermaine Johnson tight Hill. Fuhill was fifteenth overall.
Speaker 3: Hill was the original Clemson bust corner.
Speaker 1: He was.
Speaker 2: He watched all these these other corners could could bust.
Speaker 2: The boy couldn't tackle at all, just fast. Rock Husson
Speaker 2: signed with the Lions touchdown and turnover.
Speaker 1: They also signed to another guy, Alight. They sounded like
Speaker 1: two corners. I mean, he'll be good and then you know.
Speaker 3: It'd be a good like special team slash emergency option. Yeah, touchdown.
Speaker 1: They really already have their dB room set. You got
Speaker 1: Kirby Joseph and Brian Branch at safety, then you got
Speaker 1: Rake Straw, you got Arnold and I don't I don't
Speaker 1: know who the other corner.
Speaker 3: Is, but that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I think he fits their culture in terms of just
Speaker 2: being a physical guy who likes to tackle, who does
Speaker 2: a back down from anyone.
Speaker 1: So you know, al he's gotta play like four games
Speaker 1: a year because he gets hurt. Yeah, or he's well
Speaker 1: last year to get hurt. He was just didn't play
Speaker 1: a lot.
Speaker 2: He was mostly on special teams, but at the very least,
Speaker 2: you know, he had a solid special teamer.
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna say it's a touchdown for them. Yeah,
Speaker 3: uh u.
Speaker 2: Channon and Wilsu restructured his contract. Touchdown or turnover, touchdown.
Speaker 2: They need him, They need all the edge russers they
Speaker 2: can get. I'm gonna say it's a touchdown too. He's
Speaker 2: coming off injury. They needed some exposingness off the edge
Speaker 2: are they?
Speaker 1: Also the lines also got a Vonte Maddocks so that helps.
Speaker 3: The Raiders restructured Christian Wilkins.
Speaker 2: Contract, freeing up another like nine million in cap space
Speaker 2: touchdown or.
Speaker 1: Turnover anything to say money, because why the fuck would
Speaker 1: you give Malcolm Coon's twelve millions. I'm not even pocket
Speaker 1: watching or hayting. I just wouldn't give that dude twelve million.
Speaker 1: Yeah I wouldn't either. I was a waste.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna say it's touchdown too, because I don't even.
Speaker 1: Know if I would have restructured my deal. I was like, wait,
Speaker 1: you gave Coons twelve million and you want me to
Speaker 1: restructure my bag? Fuck out of mynd.
Speaker 2: I think I tell you got more money. I think
Speaker 2: you got more money, guaranteed money.
Speaker 1: I would learn how to say suck my dick in
Speaker 1: like fifty different languages and then just have somebody have
Speaker 1: like Bill Burr say it to you, because I.
Speaker 3: Think what they do is they take some money off
Speaker 3: this year and they added on them last year. Well yeah,
Speaker 3: like with what's his face?
Speaker 1: Uh, Daniel Hunter, he's making thirty five and a half
Speaker 1: million dollars just she was gonna get to Oh shit, sorry, sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm just sorry, My bad. I jumped the gun.
Speaker 4: Ummm.
Speaker 3: A lot of these catchers getting their contracts front loaded.
Speaker 2: But yeah, touchdown and turnover Hunter. I think he's the
Speaker 2: second highest paid defensive end. Yeah, he's turnover. He's gonna
Speaker 2: get paid way more than Max on that next contract.
Speaker 2: I'll take that much.
Speaker 3: He's older though, he's older than Max.
Speaker 1: You sure, I'm pretty sure he is. They're about almost
Speaker 1: the savage. I think he might be like a year older.
Speaker 1: Though Neil Hunter actually had like ten sacks last year.
Speaker 1: Daniel Hunter producer. Yeah, Crosby is like three years younger.
Speaker 1: I mean Hunter is thirty and Crosby is twenty seven.
Speaker 1: He's still in his prime. Could have been a rand
Speaker 1: By the way, had twelve sacks this year.
Speaker 2: I mean he could have really went anyway because he's
Speaker 2: franchised for like two years and then traded for.
Speaker 1: Like a third round. He has ninety nine and a
Speaker 1: half career sacks.
Speaker 3: Yeah I saw that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm gonna say it's a touchdown because the
Speaker 2: Texans need drushers too. Well, No, they got like I
Speaker 2: said he got he had ten sacks, they got him,
Speaker 2: No twelve he had him and Will Anderson. Yeah it's good,
Speaker 2: so they're solid. It's a good dude.
Speaker 3: Commanders add Michael gellup touchdown and turnover.
Speaker 1: He unretired. I guess she said his heads back in
Speaker 1: the game now he was going through some ship. Good
Speaker 1: for him. I mean they're probably gonna take a receiver
Speaker 1: in the draft anyway.
Speaker 2: He gives them another possession option. So I'm gonna say
Speaker 2: it's a touchdown.
Speaker 1: Why not do Browdley side? So it's really just getting
Speaker 1: lined behind Scary Terry and zach Ertz.
Speaker 3: Tyler returned to the Cowboys. Touchdown or turnover.
Speaker 1: Good for Fowler. They need ad dreshers secure. Your bag
Speaker 1: didn't have like ten sacks for Miami or ten and a.
Speaker 3: Half something like that. I mean not Miami. Oh yeah, Washington,
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Washington. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say it's a touchdown too. I still feel
Speaker 2: like the Cowboys need to do more in free agency.
Speaker 2: But Adak, a solid veteran like that doesn't hurt Jerry, don't.
Speaker 2: Brandon Cooks returned to the Saints. Touchdown and turnover.
Speaker 1: That's a supern That offense is loaded.
Speaker 2: I feel like Brandon could kind of repetitive with what
Speaker 2: they already got there, though.
Speaker 1: He can still produce like a number one when he
Speaker 1: gets the fucking ball.
Speaker 3: Fair enough, uh.
Speaker 2: Kyle Josekee returned to the San Francisco forty nine ers
Speaker 2: on a two year deal. Touchdown or turnover. Who Seki
Speaker 2: returns to the Niners? You mean coyle juice check, juice check? Whatever?
Speaker 1: You know, bro, Mike Gseki. They're not even spelled.
Speaker 3: I didn't say it with the good I said. It's
Speaker 3: not even the same word.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like Kendrick.
Speaker 4: Jit z.
Speaker 2: Kyle juice check anyways, juice check, Just say juice check,
Speaker 2: it's a touchdown?
Speaker 3: Who else has anyways?
Speaker 1: He's an h back technically he was a running back
Speaker 1: in college who can play full back.
Speaker 2: And lastly, the Falcons ad Morgan Fox touchdown or turnover?
Speaker 1: Good for the.
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Fox has actually was actually pretty good for the Chargers
Speaker 2: last couple of years.
Speaker 1: So good depth pick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good, good depth option out of the rotation.
Speaker 2: I almost say it's a touchdown. Any other ones you
Speaker 2: want to say? I got one for fair Faid? Uh
Speaker 2: I think jumps out at you.
Speaker 3: Then I'm just gonna move on.
Speaker 1: Oh, the Niners got know the Falcons got Jamal Agnew.
Speaker 1: Special teams extraordinary, Loki. The Falcons might have the most
Speaker 1: lit special teams unit because they resigned Clip Corduile Hodge
Speaker 1: and now Agnew who has kick return touchdowns like their
Speaker 1: special team?
Speaker 3: Stay lit, Loki. I'm gonna say it's a touchdown, all right?
Speaker 1: Uh, fair Fade McCole Hartman signed with the Packers.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say that's a turnover because all Packers receivers
Speaker 2: are turnovers, and Harder benefits nicely because he'll probably get
Speaker 2: open and then drop fucking crucial pass and.
Speaker 1: Darby went to Detexans and Jeff Acuda went to the Vikings.
Speaker 2: Okuda, I'm gonna say it's a touchdown because why not?
Speaker 3: Uh, former number three overall pick had a decent.
Speaker 2: Year like two years ago. Last year didn't really play,
Speaker 2: so why not? And who's the other one, you say,
Speaker 2: between him and someone else? Ronald Darby to the Texas.
Speaker 2: I don't know how Ronald Darby still stays around the league.
Speaker 2: He got picks on someone naked pictures of God?
Speaker 1: Or yeah, Charles the men who shot re signed with
Speaker 1: the Chiefs for seven million dollars? Bro, How does he
Speaker 1: only get seven million but Malcolm Coots gets twelve?
Speaker 3: That's crazy. That's not even me hating.
Speaker 1: That's a legitimate question.
Speaker 2: Did the Giants end sign anywhere with the crazy name
Speaker 2: one of the dudes with the crazy name a G's
Speaker 2: or whatever?
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, it's j Yeah, he signed with the Eagles.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's when a touchdown.
Speaker 1: Tyler Conklin signed with the Chargers, obvious, that's that's that's no,
Speaker 1: it's not a touchdown because literally he just kinda is
Speaker 1: more faster than Will Disley and he drops half as
Speaker 1: many passes, but they're really the same.
Speaker 3: Dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like that's a waste of like that's just an
Speaker 1: extra body. Yeah you could have just that's Big ten football.
Speaker 1: Though he went to Central Michigan.
Speaker 3: Isn't that in the Big Ten?
Speaker 1: No, that's the mac dough.
Speaker 3: I thought he went to Central Michigan State for some reason.
Speaker 1: He played basketball or some height at some school and
Speaker 1: then went to Central Michigan to play time. He's the
Speaker 1: brother of the other Conlent I think so, not Jack Conklin.
Speaker 1: They might be cousins. There's a lot of Conklins in
Speaker 1: the league, all.
Speaker 2: Right, fair fade Sante Samuel and Dion Sanders beefing over
Speaker 2: the tea step.
Speaker 1: Tea step versus traditional backpilling. This is interesting because Antonio
Speaker 1: Carmarti came in and said, look, the quickest way into
Speaker 1: the ball is the technique your best at or something
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 3: So they heard some coaches say that.
Speaker 1: Too, like bro, because not every body type is the same.
Speaker 1: So in some aspects, like Nandi was not his own corner.
Speaker 1: He was the same who bumped down the corner, who
Speaker 1: could play man, had great ball skills.
Speaker 3: What you put him in his own he was lost.
Speaker 1: So my thing is like there's certain running back, Like
Speaker 1: every player has a certain style that they excel at,
Speaker 1: so I like it. Sante Samuel only has two less
Speaker 1: interceptions to Deon Sanders and more Super Bowl rings, So
Speaker 1: what are we saying? And he was like a six
Speaker 1: round pick. He wasn't even that Harvard pick.
Speaker 2: Yes, Samuel Samuel pretty much said like, of course Dion's
Speaker 2: gonna hate it because his athleticism is so outside of
Speaker 2: the era that he played. He didn't even really need
Speaker 2: any technique, Like, but yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's a great because they talked
Speaker 1: about it on the Raw Room and like Jalen Collins
Speaker 1: talked about it, and I'm like good because I feel
Speaker 1: like we need more of this, more of these conversations,
Speaker 1: like the pros need to settle on. Okay, what techniques
Speaker 1: should like a five year old be practicing right now?
Speaker 1: Do you want to get t stepping at five and seven?
Speaker 1: Like if you teach great habits young, then you won't
Speaker 1: see all these bullshit like this cornerback who's at a
Speaker 1: camp punching on a receiver and it's like, bro, that's
Speaker 1: you would get ejected. So I have penalty.
Speaker 2: I'll think about this in two ways, Like one like
Speaker 2: I'm I'm pro technique, so I'm pro like, hey, you
Speaker 2: should do the technique. But also I know there's outliers
Speaker 2: and exceptions that don't need the technique or can compensate
Speaker 2: for not having the best technique. But if you teach
Speaker 2: them the technique, in theory, it should they should just
Speaker 2: make them better anyways.
Speaker 3: I mean also with that, you know some things that are.
Speaker 2: Just learned, Like you're talking about pros, like they've made
Speaker 2: it to where they've made it doing what they do,
Speaker 2: like you don't want them to think about it. So
Speaker 2: I also understand what people are saying, like just do
Speaker 2: the best technique that works for you. With linebackers, I
Speaker 2: hear this a lot about false stepping. Yeah, Like some
Speaker 2: people say like, oh, hey, you shouldn't take a false
Speaker 2: set because all your steps should you know, be coordinated
Speaker 2: towards the ball, you know, doing what you need to do,
Speaker 2: versus other people are like, if that's like that's your
Speaker 2: natural instinct is to take a step, then you should
Speaker 2: take the step because otherwise you're gonna hold yourself back
Speaker 2: and think. More So, if anything, like I think Darius
Speaker 2: lenderd have talked about this, like if anything your alignment,
Speaker 2: you take a step back in your alignment, so that
Speaker 2: way you can take a false step and being in
Speaker 2: your alignment once the play goes. So there's different schools
Speaker 2: of thought as far as like being alignment coach. I
Speaker 2: see it with zone stepping, like some people take a
Speaker 2: zone step out of forty five like forward up versus
Speaker 2: some people take a more just flat, you know, kind
Speaker 2: of just straight lateral zone step.
Speaker 3: Honestly, I think they.
Speaker 2: I think you need to have both, Like I think
Speaker 2: they're two different kind of tools to have in your belt,
Speaker 2: right And I think I don't think it hurts to
Speaker 2: know the T step.
Speaker 3: But again, I'm not a DV. I don't know much
Speaker 3: about being DB's.
Speaker 2: I purposely don't look at dv's just because I concentrate
Speaker 2: on the linemen.
Speaker 1: I look at DB's because like, I won't puint this kid.
Speaker 1: I thought I was going to be a corner, but
Speaker 1: then I realized that no speed. But I lock up
Speaker 1: some ship at the at the line of scrimmage, Like
Speaker 1: those first five yards are going to be hell for
Speaker 1: you and you're not getting the ball off because I
Speaker 1: used to play basketball, so like, and it was funny,
Speaker 1: like the receivers and our team and ask.
Speaker 3: My boy Josh where he weis it on this argument.
Speaker 1: Like that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: It's almost like what guy though, So I feel like
Speaker 3: he's gonna say that.
Speaker 1: Chromarty was like both work because his son is like
Speaker 1: a top it's like a five star corner.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I remember Josh was a charger.
Speaker 1: By Like what the fuck the Chromarty's just produced elite
Speaker 1: corners for his son is a five star corner. His
Speaker 1: cousin was a five star corner that's just carried a
Speaker 1: first round pick Like this shit crazy and Chromarty like
Speaker 1: he can still play. But that's just me.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I agree with you as this kid to
Speaker 3: have these kinds of conversations.
Speaker 1: It's like running backs with past blocking and jump cuts.
Speaker 1: Some coaches don't like running backs jump cutting, yeah for sure.
Speaker 1: So with linemen, like especially spins, like it's almost like
Speaker 1: you got to teach a technique that a kid can
Speaker 1: win with. That's my thing. You can win with this technique.
Speaker 1: I can't bull rush or I can't speed rush, knowing
Speaker 1: I'm not fast. I have to set you up with
Speaker 1: power moves and then throwing a little finesse. I can't
Speaker 1: start with finesse moves and I'm strong as ship. That
Speaker 1: would be stupid. That's why, like when I was telling you,
Speaker 1: like bro, a bull rush isn't illegal.
Speaker 3: But for something tournament today.
Speaker 1: But that's not real football.
Speaker 3: I'm talking about in a game.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna tell me you're not bull rushing. Get
Speaker 1: the fuck out of here. So I'm only talking about
Speaker 1: I only practice how I would play. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: do some shit in a game and practice that I
Speaker 1: know I'm not gonna do in a game like you
Speaker 1: just don't do that. That's where I think it's coming from. Hey,
Speaker 1: like Patrick Ewing with that famoue, He's like, did you
Speaker 1: teach who taught you that shot? How did you practice
Speaker 1: that shot? Who showed who saw you shoot that shot
Speaker 1: in practice? Do you ever shoot that shot? Why would
Speaker 1: you take that shot in the game. So you tell somebody, hey,
Speaker 1: don't practice this. Even I look at that in wrestling,
Speaker 1: you can see that. Like Dusty road used to say,
Speaker 1: don't because Jim Cornett you said. Dusty road S would
Speaker 1: be like, don't do some shit you don't know how to.
Speaker 3: Do for sure.
Speaker 1: Don't do some shit in the ring you ain't never
Speaker 1: done before. Did you practice this, motherfucker? Why are you
Speaker 1: doing a shooting star press? You've never done a shooting
Speaker 1: star press? Break shoulder fucking brock Lesnar did it that
Speaker 1: mania and almost killed himself because Kurt Angle was too
Speaker 1: far away.
Speaker 3: But that stema you call.
Speaker 1: He's like a high He was a hybrid, one of
Speaker 1: the greatest athletes that ever walked the planet. Brock Lester
Speaker 1: was doing shooting star presses in OVW. So it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you have the athletic ability to do a thing, but
Speaker 1: you're never gonna be able to do that in the
Speaker 1: game because your role in the game is different. If
Speaker 1: I know I'm playing nose tackle on a three four,
Speaker 1: I am not practicing swim moves in practice. Can I
Speaker 1: do a swim move? You goddamn right, I can? But
Speaker 1: am I how much how many those tackles are practicing
Speaker 1: swim moves? You tell me that? So yes, I have
Speaker 1: to blorush you all fucking day. That's my natural incarnation.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm naturally gonna do because that's the quickest
Speaker 1: way for me to win. That's how I bridge the
Speaker 1: gap between a guy who's fastest. Shit, like if you're
Speaker 1: going there against offive line, and like when I was
Speaker 1: in high school, we got the shit kicked out of
Speaker 1: us by Santa Maria and their d tackles or wide
Speaker 1: receivers who are fast as shit and skinny and shooting
Speaker 1: the gaps on us. Well, power ain't going to power
Speaker 1: versus speed. You got to close the gap somehow. So
Speaker 1: you gotta cheat a little bit. Our coaches would tell my.
Speaker 1: Lite coaches tell me, Barry, you're not fast the quick
Speaker 1: and small spaces, but you're not fast long term. You
Speaker 1: gotta cheat your ass up field. So you take that
Speaker 1: taking this step a fire step. You need to just
Speaker 1: go straight up field. Ain't for that safety.
Speaker 3: Well, I've seen it, see anything in that line. I've
Speaker 3: seen it too.
Speaker 2: With the kickside Like, okay, I've seen the kickside tip
Speaker 2: where you kick side out of forty five. I've seen
Speaker 2: it taught where you kick it straight back. I've seen
Speaker 2: coach Jackie Slater teach me to kick side with the
Speaker 2: front foot first. So there's just a number of different
Speaker 2: ways to do different things. But again for me, like,
Speaker 2: but that's also just my kind of archetype as a
Speaker 2: player like in Matten, Like that's who I would have been.
Speaker 2: It's just like you know, the versatile player or like
Speaker 2: the technician or like whatever, Like I had all three
Speaker 2: techniques because I knew, Okay, this guy's a three technique,
Speaker 2: he's super fast. I need to kick like a tackle, right,
Speaker 2: but versus you know, a bigger guy like you, Like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to give up ground. I'm gonna just
Speaker 2: give up ground gradually and kick with my front foot
Speaker 2: like Jackie taught me.
Speaker 1: And if he and if you lose to a strong
Speaker 1: dude who you didn't think was quick, you got to
Speaker 1: live with that. You can't let him beat you with
Speaker 1: his best move exactly. That's the one thing, coach, Hey,
Speaker 1: this dude runs a four to three flat. You can't
Speaker 1: let him beat you with the one thing he's.
Speaker 2: Good because because at that point then he's just great
Speaker 2: and he's probably just better than you, and your coach
Speaker 2: has got to pine around that, or you gotta at
Speaker 2: that point, you gotta start doing some gray area and
Speaker 2: ship to kind of even the score.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're gonna have to. Besides the point, Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: why I don't really hate I'm glad they they're having
Speaker 1: that conversation because that needs to be the conversation because
Speaker 1: I'm seeing a lot of bullshit at these camps that
Speaker 1: is not realistic in a game.
Speaker 2: That's a fair point, all right, Uh, I mean we
Speaker 2: kind of started the show with the rants, but uh,
Speaker 2: let's go ahead and just say anything else you want
Speaker 2: to get off your chest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, glad I had some rest today because man, it's
Speaker 1: like you don't realize how tired you are until you
Speaker 1: have the chance to go do some shit and you
Speaker 1: just fall back to sleep. So that was fun, crazy week.
Speaker 1: Plus I really didn't get a lot of sleep last week.
Speaker 2: I mean that's the thing they don't tell you about
Speaker 2: getting older, is like it's fun to do stuff, but
Speaker 2: doing stuff still takes energy.
Speaker 3: So it's like, you know, if you work five days a.
Speaker 2: Week or four days a week and you're doing errands
Speaker 2: on one day or you got social events on the
Speaker 2: other days, it's like.
Speaker 3: All that shit still takes a toll on you. You know.
Speaker 3: It's like you are in these lazy days where you
Speaker 3: just got to sleep.
Speaker 2: And mosy around, play some video games, watch a game,
Speaker 2: whatever the fuck, Like you know that like those are
Speaker 2: earned and sometimes it's what you need.
Speaker 1: Plus, like my nephew punched the ship out of me
Speaker 1: when we were in Oakland, Like Isaiah, like, I feel
Speaker 1: like Coco Melon for these young kids is like our
Speaker 1: world star. Because he had he yelled out Coco Melon
Speaker 1: and then just fucking swung on me and he made contact.
Speaker 1: He punched me in the side of my head as
Speaker 1: I was half asleep, and my sister was just like,
Speaker 1: oh my god. So it's cool because when Isaiah get older,
Speaker 1: when he just gets twelve, I'm wait till hit puberty.
Speaker 2: You gotta start bearing that up because he's about to
Speaker 2: be in school and he can't be doing that ship
Speaker 2: in school.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I'm I almost super kicked his ass through
Speaker 3: the window.
Speaker 1: I thought about it. I was I was like, no,
Speaker 1: what I'd be okay with that, But nah, I love
Speaker 1: my nephew. It's just he has a lot of energy,
Speaker 1: and it's like, all right, you just.
Speaker 3: Because I being that make him out to be like
Speaker 3: the well thornberry. He's a little brother. That's what I
Speaker 3: think about what he does.
Speaker 1: Ship, and it reminds me of ship I used to
Speaker 1: do as a kid. I used to just crash out.
Speaker 3: Not out of maliciousness to another degree. Yeah, but like he's.
Speaker 1: Different because he don't talk, but when he does, I
Speaker 1: never shut the fuck up as a kid. Like now,
Speaker 1: it's like it's just funny seeing him and dealing with him,
Speaker 1: and my mom and my grandma telling me like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: you're getting your payback for what you did to us.
Speaker 1: Kids are funny, man.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, I don't have much to say, but
Speaker 2: yeah and Isaiah, yeah, my grandma to the little ones.
Speaker 3: But yeah, man's just looking forward to this week.
Speaker 2: I got some interesting job opportunities lined up, so hopefully
Speaker 2: something progressive, but we'll see it will progress.
Speaker 3: In the meantime, I'm enjoying.
Speaker 2: I'm a little bit more bandwidth and uh yeah, man,
Speaker 2: helping getting these these coaches, these eight year olds ready
Speaker 2: and shout out to the Spectrum because that fifty dollars.
Speaker 1: Fifty dollars deal is kind of nice. I'm gonna lie.
Speaker 3: All right, man, Well this's touchdowns and tangents. We're out.
Speaker 3: See you next week. Eas