Speaker 1: Hell, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the October eighth
edition of Tras Told You twenty twenty five. I guess
should dive the year twenty twenty five. Here we are
almost over. We're getting near the end of it. But
I am your host, Tras Snail. Very messy here right now,
late shower day. My hair part has to be different
because the way it's part of being all over the place.
Don't have any time, you get producted. But you know,
chis is life right. Luckily, that's the only problem I
got going. Today works good, Life's good. Next week, you know,
canain Thanksgivings coming up, spend some time off there, so
that's good. So I hope everyone is doing well. And yeah,
it's October. It's been fun. We got some couple of
questions there on today about Halloween, creepy stuff and everything,
and I enjoy that. Keep them coming. This is the
month of October, Hellen, my favorite month the year. Anything
Halloween related or related. I know we'll do an actual
episode on yeek first that's like a Halloween episode. But
anything that is that I can never get enough of.
So I appreciate that, and I appreciate all you that
listened to, whether you watch live or listen to the reenplay,
I thank you very much. And yeah, we got a
bunch of random stuff to talk today. So that's where
it's gonna be fun. We're talking about Heat two, We're
talking about Ocean's fourteen, we're gonna talk about that final,
that fast and furious stuff going on, Dexter Resurrection season
two renewed. And then I said some good Halloween questions.
So yeah, that's what we'll be doing today, just a
fun little one here. Who knows this low one. I'll
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who knows. But yeah, we're gonna go to this for
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So then the rest of the week, we got the
gen V review that's happening tonight, which will also release tomorrow,
and then the Peacemaker finale. Tron are so lots of fun.
That's a fun three days coming up right now. So
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what I'm doing right now. So yeah, let's talk about
let's see why should I start off with Let's let's
talk about Heat. You know, so this is a movie
that I'm hopefully at some point, you know, I imagine, well, now,
especially with this movie coming out now, Heat Too, looks
like it's a go, right because what happened was which
is a super weird thing where Okay, they write our
God Michael Mann writes the book for Heat two. I've
never I've never read it. I've heard mixed things. I
talked out to Clay told me it was great. There's
someone else I know that told me was great. But
then I've heard of it. It's okay. So I've never
gone around to rushing to it. And I think there
was part of me that when they've talked about, oh,
I might make this a movie just because it was
the movie first. I might watch the movie first and
then go to the book. But if it's Michael Man,
I imagine most of the stuff is gonna be pretty similar, right.
I think that's gonna carry over. And Heat itself was
almost three hours, so I don't really worry about run time.
So Amazon is doing this. There was part of this
report that so Warnbros. Had the right they put them
up for sale because they just couldn't come to agreement
and they were gonna give Man the budget, but they
supposedly wanted Heat three as well. So I guess that
just shows where we are. And we'll talk about all
these other sequels and whatnot in this episode, but that's
where we are in Hollywood and whatnot, where it's like, well,
we need a guaranteed franchise, and even the idea of
Heat two is already like, well what are we doing here? Right?
So it's it's to me not the same as like
like the comedies, the comedies they they are. That's a
bit more risky to do like one twenty years later,
fifteen years later hang on. Uh So it's a little
more risky because we've seen Zoolanda, we've seen Anchorman. There's
tons of other ones where it is something that we've
seen them just crash out, and with Heat too. It's
just I read the synopsis of Okay, so it is.
I'll just say, in case you haven't seen it, there
is a character that escapes, you know, in the crew,
and it's I guess there's two parts where it's a
prequel sequel where part of it is about that character.
I guess it's not gonna matter. I'm gonna have talk
about the character anyways with the casting, right. But so,
if you don't want any Heat spoilers, jump ahead three minutes.
But so Chris aka Vel Kilmer's character, he escapes and
it's kind of him on the run. Now what I've
read from the synopsis, it seems like it happens right
after the fact of the movie where he escapes and
then he's on the run. Right. I don't think they'll
do that. I feel like they'll put some separation between
it because the thing was so okay. Warner Bus said,
we'll give you the budget about we want Heat two
and three, and it sounds like other things they just
couldn't agree on. They put them up to sale rights,
and then I think it's United artists I think is
the company, but that also Amazon bought the rights for
Heat too. They're gonna be making that. They have not
said if it's gonna be going theatrical. I would imagine
it would be. I'd be very disappointed. If not. That's
still movie I've never seen in the theaters. I would
like to at some point. So I hope they do
a re release with this one, even those different companies,
Warner Brothers should get the money and you know easily, Hey,
He two's coming out, here's Heat one. So for me
I and then attached to Michael Man, Yeah, he's attached
to he Row he's gonna direct it great. And then
the four actors which we've heard Butler and Driver for
a while, that's been talked about and it sounds like
he had talked to him around Ferrari time, so and
to me that made sense of it sounds and we
don't know for sure, but the idea is that Denaro
or young Denaro is gonna be Driver, which at first
when I had heard that one, that's kind of an
odd fit. I can see how in Ferrari like even
his hair, he looks like he could be a young Denaro, right,
so for me, I can see the demeanor he can
give off, even though IM not sure the age. I
guess probably I feel like his age is similar to
what de Naro because how old is driver now? So
Adam driver, he's like forty something, I'm gonna say he's
like forty six. He's wary one. Okay, so he's forty one.
Robert Denaro heat age, I feel like he was fifty two. Okay,
So I guess if you say like they say younger
even I guess technically ten years is younger. Right. So
again I don't see the jump from the driver to
look like to narrow, but that that's fine me not
being a one to one, I think that's a better
route to go than a what we saw with the
Irishman with the dh stuff, right, that didn't exactly work.
Especially with Heat. I'm imagining we're gonna have some heightst
We're gonna have some action. If you think about to me,
one of the greatest scenes of all time, the heist
in the third act for Heat. If that were to
happen and you have an older gentleman who can't run around,
it's not really gonna work, you know, It's it's gonna
something's going to feel off, So I think for myself
that it's best to go with the young actors. So
Driver's been like this for a while and sounds like
he's being to narrow. I'm butler. It seems like he's
gonna be a young Kilmer, which is pretty perfect casting.
I feel like they they are comparable to just their
just kind of status and careers where they are as
far as just at the times. I yeah, I think
I think it's honestly just overall careers too, and I
just think energy to that matches. But then we had
heard the Leo rumors a little while back, and I
can't remember it was before one bat after another came out,
because it was like, what's he doing next? Right, because
it was He's doing Evil can Eevil Chazelle And that
doesn't sound like it's happening at all, because that movie's
not happening at all at all. Like it's not because
Leo's not in it, it's because it was it was
him and Adrian Brody, right, Yeah, And then it sounds
like now a Damian Chazelle is doing a prison drama
with killing Murphy Daniel, Greg Craig and somebody else. I
think it's an actress. That's good, So that's cool. I'm
excited for that. But sounds like he's off that. And
then there was rumblings that he might have a role
in the Cliff Boof movie. It's kind of gone back
and forth. It kind of sounds like he was a
money thing as far as like he obviously he's work
with Netflix before, so the rumor was was kind of like, hey,
if they pay up, they'll be here. But it's like,
is he worth it? I think for that movie it
is to have a scene or a segment with him.
I do think he is worth whatever it is. I
think that would help it tremendously, especially without Tarantino there.
But there's just been this talk what's he doing next?
And then the Scorcese project. He's doing kind of a
horror thriller with Jennifer Lawrence. But it sounds like this
maybe's not next, but one maybe after this course ses
He project. And that was a rinkle where it's like, Okay,
who's he playing, because then it was like is he
playing young Neil? Which is the narrow character? Right? There's
also I think a villain, like a big bad that's
in the past, because the two things are it's Kilmer
on the run, and then it's I imagine him reflecting
because Pacino's character is still after my I guess in
the book, and then those characters reflected the past. It's
Pacino's early days of being a cop, I imagine, and
then Chris's early days of meaning Denara on the other crew. Right,
So there's always gonna be that. I think in the
flashbacks is told there's like another type of villain or
big bath. Some sorts of people thought that would be Leo,
that could be Cooper, even though I think Cooper can
bring the energy and that's the room right now that
Leo is playing Kilmer's character. They've not said anything about
Denara or Driver and Butler. I think it's a lot
of us just assuming our things we've heard before. To me,
that makes where if Leo's playing the modern day, because
obviously Kilmer's not around, and unfortunately, if Kilmer was around,
he couldn't have done it right he with his voice
and everything. I guess you could have done it in
a very different sort away, and you could have you
could have had that character not talk as much. But again,
I don't know. If the book he's talking all over
you gotta make some changes for the movie. But if
he has a lot of dialogue, that'd be very tough
to do, right And Leo, to me, I think it's
a good comparison for like, Okay, if it's Chris's character
later on, I can see him playing that and stepping
into those shoes and doing well. Leo's won the best
of all time, right, So no whorry there for I
was a little worried at points when it looked like
which we still had confirmed, but atas I had not
read the book, I wasn't sure how much Chris is
a like a current day Chris val Kilmer was in it.
So when the rumors at first were looking like he's
playing like a young val Kilmer was like, oh no,
like you can't. Leo's older than Valas and he and
he's playing the young version. But it sounds like he's
playing a version that, like I said, it picks up
right after. But I don't think they'll do that. I
think they'll have it years later in a sense, or
maybe there's some kind of a slight daging there or makeup.
Who knows, Butler's good cast in there, and then Cooper
that's the one where is he this bad guy? And
then also could he be Paccino? Paccino's the tough one.
And that's where comes down to the actual topic here
of like is this a good idea? I really don't
know for the book. I've just heard mixed things, so
that's tough for me to say. Like, if everyone like
raised about the book, I would say, Okay, do it.
But I've heard mix things about book, so I'm not
completely on board there. Man, it has been a minute
since and I mean man and m A N n
as in Michael Mann. It's been a minute since he's
directed something to me. That's been really great because Clay
was asked me yesterday my thoughts on Ferrari, which I
watched about half an hour last year and I just
didn't get into didn't dislike it, thought it was still
like good enough, but I just I watched some of
it and never went back to right. And I love
Adam Driver, so I shouldn't give it another chance. But like,
what has he done to that last little bit black
hat which wasn't gray ast Let's see it is tv
TV public enemies. I like a lot more than other people.
I do think it didn't live up to the potential
of you had Bail at the height of his powers,
you had depth that's pretty close to there. Mary Cultiard,
I think it's a very good movie, but it should
have it had the bones to be a great movie.
Miami Vice. The update one I have not seen since
I was a wee lad, so I can't give a
coming from that. Collateral to me, I honestly, he is
his best movie. But Collateral is Man That's Cruise's best performance.
I love Collateral. I will die at the stake for
Collateral being a fantastic movie. And then yeah, Heat inside
the last weekends. After that, it's like kind of like Collateral.
On Ali he is a bunch of like Man Hunter,
he is a bunch of great, great stuff going on, right,
So obviously it's so i'd say, like even public enemies,
Let's say, if I were to say that's very good
at times, that's oh nine, that's still god what almost
twenty years right by the time this movie comes out,
almostwing years since there's been something that's been like great. Awestly, though,
he doesn't like direct a bunch of stuff right. Two
of the other things in there were TV shows, so
it's not like a like an Eastwood or a Scorse
who's directing all the time. It's just like the last
few things haven't been the great or even in the
Scott right where it's like he's a better fifty to
fifty where because he directs so much. Some that' stufssary map,
but some of the stuff is great, so you got
a better idea. So my man, we don't really know
what we're gonna get here, but I'm it's gonna be tough,
I think, to tackle because you can make the case that, oh,
this is the perfect guy to do it. But at
the same time, is it maybe the era and even
some of the because that movie, even though they're like fifties,
like they're in their fifties and forties, it has a
youth at times, fuck the man type of vibe, and
it's like, does Michael Man still have that gear? And
he might, right, he might. It hasn't been something for
a while since he's directed. That's kind of like this, like,
of course it comes out not that good. It's not
going to affect my love That first one, that to
me is one of the greatest movies ever made. I
don't know, I it's top tenor but it could be
up there. It is fantastic. Yeah, we just watched it
earlier this year, Emily. I made her watch for the
first time. She actually enjoyed it. And that's a movie
like The Shine we talked about in the review, Like
I could watch Heat right away the second it's over,
even though it's an almost three hour movie, doesn't matter.
I could watch it instantly and it just it just
it just rips in so good performances everything. And that's
the thing where drivers to narrow. I can buy Butler
and Leo as you know Kilmer, I can buy Cooper
as Pacino, I can kind of buy I think I've
seen some people be like, oh really, but it's like
think about even the last one, like my show, when
he gets like really worked up, like I'm writing at it,
like he has those isms he could do. Pacino is
the toughest one, especially that era of Pacino or early Pacino,
not as much because I feel like he was there's
a certain style that Pacino doesn't think people say like
I can't remember what the breaking point is. There's kind
of like it's almost like a singer like when Steven
Tyler changed his voice. There's a certain time where Pacino
just changes his perform They're still great, but he's always
a bit more bombastic, where I think in his early
years was a bit more quiet. Right, Like you look
at Pacino and Godfather versus Pacino in Heat, two very
different guys, but I think Heat still has that he
and he might have been in Heat has the perfect
amount of that solemn great best actor, you know, type
of godfather vibe. And then it's the scarface devil advocate,
really loud a mask, you know, like it's the perfect alglamation.
Very tough to do that. That to me, like Paccino
is very much like a Nick Cage or someone where
it's just denaro I can see. Butchino, that's a very
tough nut to crack. And if Cooper is doing that,
that's like good on him. I wish him the best
of luck and I hope he can do it. But
that's uh yeah, that that that to me is a
that's a hard mountain to climb. And even that too,
if Hannah, who is Pachina's character, is in the book,
I hope he is back, so I will be there.
I'll see this, I'll have all the hope. I hope
it's not on Amazon. I just there is something where
it is semi risky, right because like, to me, Heat
is in the sense of I'm sure there's some connuity
or this that, but a perfect movie and not that
you have to make a perfect movie to be a
good Fall, but it can still be lesser than Like
I'm somebody that constantly defends the Dark Knight Rises, but
I just think it's there's so much kind of space
in between it. And it's not like a remake in
a sense that, oh, we're gonna use the book like
we're gonna remake Heat and then make Heat to the book.
It is gonna be a sequel, So it's yeah, I
don't I don't know. I'm curious to see how it goes,
and I hope that it can live up story wise
and the action scenes wise, like some of those moments,
the sound design, how loud it is, like it's a
it's a tough one. It's luckily I guess I'm not
gonna have the same hype. I'm gonna go in with
being cautious about it. And again he too, you know,
if it and that's the other thing too, how is
it gonna do? Right? Because what did the first Heat do? Heat?
Cause I think it was like a hit, but it
became more of a bigger hit as time went on.
So me at a bunch of sixty million and seven,
so you know five that's a hit, and then overall
time it's definitely come like I wouldn't even say a
cult thing, just like a just a inspiration for filmmakers
and whatnot. Right, So we'll see. I'm I'm cautious of it,
but I wish them. I wish them the best a
lot here and I just I think it's just catching
lightning in a bottle. Don't know if they're gonna be
doing speaking of a lightning in a bottle. Ocean's fourteen,
so they've talked about this if I can get the
actual quote here. But because George Clooney is promoting that
Netflix movie, I think it's j Kelly right, that's the
one with Adam Sandler's an old bomb back movie and everything.
So I hate that with the first time I searched
on ex George Clooney, like the third one down is
like George Clooney like AI, So I don't know what
they're doing or what's happening. But George Clean reveals that
Ocean's fourteen is moving forward and there's plans to begin
filming next year. So obviously there's I got three questions here.
The biggest one to me is what's going on soda Burg.
Soda Berg directed all three of those. Obviously he retired,
but then he came back. He said, like a pretty
good run. He's somebody like, uh like really Scott where
he's been working consistently since he came back. But let's
see Steven Soberk and he like, I feel like there's
a right amount of time. I guess just what, I
guess I'll ask all these questions to get them all
in here, and says I'm still witting on that. Dan Margot,
Robbie and Goss like Ocean's prequel. I think that's dead
if this happens, unless they do something where they have
a scene of those parents and they have them in there,
I just uh, where they're Danny's is the theory? Is
that the theory? Or I thought that was just legitimately
the plot. Maybe it's something where people have read the
script and it's out there, but they haven't officially said,
but I think that is what it is, that they're
the parents. I don't think they can coexist. It's kind
of the same way as as Margot Robbie Pirates movie.
It's like, I think you just got they everybody. We
need to just finally decide here if you're doing a
Pirates movie, is debt back or not? Right? Because debt
being back changes so much. But if this movie happens,
which I think it's going to, I think that one's
gonna be dead. And I can kind of get that.
This is Ocean's nine, right was it? What the hell
was it? Or is just Ocean's ten? It's Ocean's eight.
I don't know why did they call it Ocean's eight?
So what they could do three? So they go nine, ten,
and then you eleven twelfth. I guess that's what they're
hoping for. But I thought it did relatively well, the
all female one. Let's see here, Yeah, seventy million budget
and then box office of two ninety seven, so almost
three hundred million. That's that's really good. Dakota Fannings in
this movie, Why do I not remember that at all?
Is this true? That can't be true? It is Dakota
Fanning in Ocean's eight. Oh my god, she is for
like a scene, okay, just like a scene or something. Okay,
But so I guess I'll put this all together if
Soda burned back because it's the male version, right, is
it still the male version? Because we had Julie Roberts
in the first one, well the first two, we had
Catherine Za Jones in there, and they kind of were
part of the in a bit, right, And then also,
what is the because obviously a couple of actors have
passed not with us, they have to add more people, right,
and that's like, who are those crop of people? I'm
not gonna do that because that cast could go on forever,
but I would like them to try and find I
think it'd be tough, but they should try to, Like,
I would love it if the fourteen is you have,
you need the three right, you need Damon Pitt and
Clooney to me, because all like even Cheetle now is
a bit more expensive now right, like here, let me
pull up the original eleven because obviously we don't have
Bernie Mack anymore, which is unfortunate, right because he was
a great part of that series. Let's see director fifty
four things, so to burg look at that, which you'll
get back into a second. Holy shit, he's just got
so much stuff here. It's not like easy to find
kay Ocean's eleven, great poster, by way, I love the
color scheme. Let's see everybody. Uh of course, i'mb's not
gonna just fucking give me a great It's gonna give
me like a who played the board member number two?
So I guess that's a good experiment of here go,
thank you for the poster. Or Ocean's thirteen. I guess
you could get Garcia back, right, so what you have?
That's the thing. I think you need most of them back,
but you do need the three. If they are making
this movie without the three of them, to me, it's
a unless it's a reboot, right, If they're say, I
guess there's I guess a few ways you could do
it if it's a reboot, which is not. But or
it's just Danny, it's just George Clooney and the entire
cruise new I could see that. I don't think that's
what people are necessarily wanting. I think they would want
to be out for all of them, right, George, Brad
Damien just Damon Damon and Cheatle. I feel like those
ones you have to obviously got, like Scott con which
is you know fine, you got? Which is it Casey Affleck? Right,
it is Casey Affleck, which I don't know, it depends,
but I think he's fine. I guess if you're here Becau.
Obviously he's had some issues past couple of years, but
I guess if he's an Oppenheimer, he's probably deemed as safe.
And you know that's somebody I would That's my been
my pitch for a while when they talk about villains,
because the first one had Andy Rcilla, and then you
had I can't remember the guy of Vincent Cassell and
other people of Vincent Cassel, and then you had al Pacino.
I really the fact that they're working together production company.
Get them involved. I would really like Affleck to be
in this movie. I'd particularly love him to be the villain.
I think that'd be great. But what I would pitch is,
you get a crop of the old crew. He had
a crop of the eight crew, so Sandra Bowle at
Cate Blanche like even right there, like obviously this is
like old Hollywood speaking went up, But like, think about
that movie, George Clooney, Brad Pitt, Matt Damion, Julia Roberts,
Catherine zied To Jones, Sandra boll At, Kate Planchette, Helm
Bott Carter, Like just even putting in That's what I'd
hope they did at some point, even putting the two
Oceans cast together, that's a st cat. You don't need
everybody back. You maybe don't need Rihanna back, who I
still like, right, Anne Hathaway, get her back. But my
pitch and maybe gets too expensive them, right, is do
the men the women and then a new crew, and
I think you need and if the women aren't in,
I get that because they would be more expensive if
the and I guess they have to explain some things
about Danny Oscehan's fate in some of these movies. But
I think what you want to do, it's tough because
do I think there's like an Ocean's fifteen. Do I
think there's a version of this where they make a
movie and the new three Trinity of the Oceans and
we go on and make their own I don't I think
people would want to see, you know, at least Damon
Pitt and Cluoning together. But if you want to shaw that,
you need three other Powerhouses's the same way we hear
there's rumors about Miami Vice and it's Glenn Peal Michael B. Jordan.
That's a statement right there. That's something where for me,
who doesn't really care if they're making new Miami Vice
other than sure, what's kazinskianting to do with it? You
get those two, I'm interested. Right, It's the same thing
that we saw with the Wolves movie, like that didn't
really poll much, right, and Brad Pitt's movies like What's
the Last like Once upon a Time Hollywood poll. But
other than that, that's that's more like a Tarantino thing, right,
But let me pull up this and then I want
to go down Soda Burg. And that's the other thing too,
is like, is Soda Burke back? And that's I don't know.
I really don't know if he would come back or not.
I would hope he's back, you know. I he has
that sy work with them all three for some reason.
I think I'm gonna say he's he's not bad, But like,
what's he been working recently? Like Black Bag he just
made that was great one of my favorites this year.
Like a lot of the people presence, I haven't seen,
but I've heard, you know, some good things about Kimmy.
I have missed that one. I've missed I think a
lat of the ones that he has directed to like unsane.
I never saw that Logan Lucky's great. Uh side Effects,
I never is that. No, that's not the Contagen's the
one contagent. That one's good. Uh magic Mike. I've actually
never seen any of them. Uh so he he's got
it all over the place. But yeah, so no, it's
just a question of would he come back? And I
hope so I can see this is this movie coming
out called The Christopher's that's happening, So we'll see. I
lean to know. For some reason, I don't know if
it's him. I don't know if I feel like the
studio would want to go a different way. Side effects
is pretty great, Okay, So I don't know if I
could get to the point where I'm trying to do
like a Steven Soberg rewatch right now. I'm I'm in
a tough spot because I'm doing Halloween watches. I'm trying
to watch one Pta movie a week. Most of them
seeing that. I'm just trying so I can do my
ranking and then I want to watch after I'm done
Pta Qubrick because I haven't seen a lot, not like
I haven't seen a lot of stuff. I haven't seen
a lot of stuff lately because I feel like just
what it's the shining or there' stuff like Berry Lindon
where I gotta give another chance. You e can doctor
strange love. So Soderburgh's probably a back half. But I
do want to watch presence, so we'll see about that.
But yeah, I wonder if he would come back or not.
I'm gonna lean to know, but I hope that's part
of the dealon I'd like the whole crew to be
back together. And will it work, I don't know, because
that's always gonna work up. The last thing I bring
up with for the Brad Pitt thing. Let's always a
producer of Enemy or on a mia on a mia
on a mona, whatever the fucking Daniel Day movie is.
That's the acting wise though, well, no, I guess that's
something the box office is man right, because you could
look at everything. So because I feel like takeout Once
upon Time Hollwood, that's a Hollywood hit or that's a
Tarantina one. Right. At Astra was a pretty I think
disappointing as far as boxes, I think didn't do anything amazing.
I think Bolt Train did, like fine, right, let's let
let me just quickly look at Astra, which I'm a
big defender of. I know Golden Geek's time when we
did that. I think me and Taylor big Fan and
Kirkland and Dylan, we're not look at this review scores
on Google two point six out of five. You gotta
be fucking kid me. At Astra is amazing, But I
digress that movie, and I get why they wouldn't pull
too much because it's kind of head But so a
budget of eighty one hundred million made one hundred and
thirty five million, so not great, right, And then Bullet
Trained to me it wasn't hit, but I thought it
was just kind of like a modest hit right with
the budget that it had, because it was radar. I
love Bullet Train, could watch it all time. No even better.
I feel like maybe it's starred modest, but like eighty
five to ninety million. But then a box sauice of
two forty, so that's pretty good. But then after that,
with that you have Babylon, which we all know about
was a big loss, and then Wolves was a big
loss as well too, where it just obviously was still
going to Apple but still didn't perform at all because
his next movie, F one was also going to Apple,
and I think something with Wolves, they didn't push it
as much as they were initially going to do that thing.
It was supposed to be a longer one. But that's
where F one you can argue that is the F
one audience that's pulling that ahead right but still hit
and still the pit name. So it's the thing of
like will this movie poll people? I really don't know,
And that's why I think you need the the nostalage
of them together. You definitely would like jul opportunity, even
saying that you should get Julia back, and then you
do need I think another big three, at least a
big two. You need someone the equivalent of the Clooney
and a Brad Pitt together and that' stuff, because there's
not necessarily like movie stars now, but I will be
Joran and Glenn Pale that would be in a good option.
But if they're doing Miami Vice, then you don't do that.
Like I think Glenn Powell is like obviously all the
obviously the easy one. He probably will in a couple
years becoming like Jenner Lawrence where people are sick of them.
But to me, it's like he just fits that as
set of what Ocean's eleven would type of be. But yeah,
I really don't know who I would put in there,
So we'll see. F one got a boost from the
peal that made the top gun Maverick marketing absolutely right,
and that's why I kind of put like multiple asterisks
on on F one, but still it was a hit, right.
But I'm just trying to think of actors because George Clooney,
how old was he was in his early forties, right,
George Clooney Ocean's eleven age, he was forty forty ran
the Dot. And even Glenn Powell, right, he's about to
be forty or he is forty. He kind of broke later.
He's thirty six, so even he's even younger then. I
just like I'm having a tough time of stars those
age just a lot like younger stars coming up. But
like I would never say Timthy Schalomey should be in
Ocean's eleven right, like, let's see let's see what Google
gives us Ocean elevens fan cast for let's say reboot.
Let's see what people come up with here. And that's
where honestly too, when I supposed to bring that up,
I think that like Gosling would fit here. Officely's part
of that prequel, but I would love it. They just said, ah,
we're gonna kill that, but let's put you two in that.
I don't think Margot would go for it, but Gossling
would work. You were about to say, Schallo may yeah,
I don't think. I think Charalam is gonna be a
different lovel Shalom looks like he's going to be he
like it sounds like he's been an Oscar for what
is that for Mario Supreme? Which is kind of funny
because like there's a talk of which saft you have
the town. I don't think it's that. I think Smash
Machine has a lot of good stuff. So I think
Benny Saftie is still very talented. But Alvisosly, the other
Safti is getting the bigger praise, and it's it's curious
if it's gonna happen, right, because I agree with people
where the Academy is weird. It is a new academy,
but it was like, are they gonna make Timmy do
the Leo thing where they're gonna make them really work
for it? But it feels like the people that have
seen these movies a lot of them have been like no,
like it's so undeniable this movie, which is gonna be
interesting because I think is Sham can win this now
he's not somebody like they're like, I'm trying to think
of somebody recently. Oh God, Like I'm just I'm blanking.
I'm not pulling. Because even the candor, but I'll use
I know who's a better a person uses Rammy Mallick,
right because the candor I think is a little bit different.
Malick wins that he's coming off mister Robot be Human Rhapsody,
and then he's really up until Oppenheimer, which is a
small role. He's not anything academy wise out right. Sometimes
it's just the perfect timing. Shame does not shrike me?
Is that shall may like? And I know we talk
about this already on the Oscars cast. I no problem
with his speech of the whole, Like I want to
be one of the greats like Lebron. I look at
Daniel Day and y old days. I had no problem
whatsoever him make that speech, you know, feel like, oh
he's pomp, is arrogant, no man, like he knows what
he's got and he's working hard and like that. I
understood what he meant. I was always like, fucking yeah,
go get like to me, like you should want actors
like that where he says he's striving to be better
and up there with the greats. If he wins, like
I I do, I want to Traust told you, well,
wait till after Marie Supreme. I think he could break
the record. Now, obviously Daniel Day could break the record,
I guess because he's back now, right, and he has
that movie. I think Daniel Day's gonna get nominated. But
I think if Shallo May wins to Marie Supreme, there's
a good chance he's going to break that record because
how old is he now? He's twenty something, right, Timothy Shallomy.
Let's see, he's twenty nine, he's supposed to be thirty.
Oh my god, times flies. But like when in Meryl
Street Meryl Streep first oscar Win Age, we're doing a
lot of age uh at this time. Let's see, so
she was thirty, which that's kind of funny, hey, because
he would be probably by time this all comes around
because when's his birthday? Uh it's uh, he's December, so
he's turned thirty this year, So that's kind of funny, right,
So maybe I won't say it's a shooing to break
the record. He just feels a lot younger to me,
but obviously be tons of times, like now he's already
been nominated. But it'll be funny if he kind of
wins it faster than Leo because he ever makes that comparison.
And I agree, I don't think he's gonna do this
type of stuff. Now. Granted he did do Wonka and
done to me is different because doing this to knee
that is a franchise, but it's a franchise in Wave.
We're really doing it for the first time. He did
do Wonka, so I guess you could see the pitch like,
could you, you know, get him into oceans maybe? And
Steuerman Mike says, ingla, is Glenn Pelle really that big
of a name yet? Know it's talk about his football
name or football show. I agree, with you and I
other than him getting money. I thought that was a
bad idea doing that football show. I think it's not
always true, but I I do think that quote of
I think he's off social media or he only posts
every once a while. Michael me Jordan said, like, the
reason he doesn't do much with social media because Denzel
told him like, if they see you on the weekdays,
they're not going to pay for you in the weekends, right,
And I agree with that. Not to everybody, because obviously
their extent of promotion whatnot, like social media is a
huge aspect, right. But I think there is a degree
of when Running Man comes out, and I've seen this Emily,
if people are busier, don't a basis, don't have the money.
It's like, I really would like to see this Glenn
Pal picture and then you go, ahwa, it's a show
on Disney Plus, allright, own, I'll just watch this and
I'll watch Running Man when it comes to X, Y
and Z, right, I think the time in that show
is really bad. I think though the problem is is
he really that big of a name yet? Who is
a big name now? There is Like I know it's
something we've talked about before. But it's like, there is
no like Brad Pitt, George Clooney movie stars. To me,
it is two things. It is a well liked star,
it is okay, there's three things. There's the director, right,
Tarantino Nolan uh Eanscore says he's over. I don't think
you can put there anymore, unfortunately, Denise hopefully building up
to me, that's the thing where it's like, there's this
is the Nolan event, this is the Tarantino event, right.
So there's the director, which is a you know, we're
seeing something because I know this guy's work, which is great.
And then to me, there's two other parents where I
don't think there's anybody. It's just I am Glenn Pale,
I'm Tinndy Shallomey, I am the rock. I'm doing this
movie look a smash machine and it's gonna be a
big hit. Right, even ten years ago that was starting
to die out, right. But I think there's two pairings.
There is star we love with ip we like, or
stars we love together. I think the ensemble helps, which
again with Oceans, with other thing with the Nolan movies,
with Dune, there's and I'm using Ocean as an example
what they should do. We all know a dune and Oppenheimer,
those actors took pay cuts. That's how you get all
those people together, right. I'm sure that probably happens with
Knives out as well. Like that's where it is to
me is the draw. There's no one that's just a
single draw. Unfortunately. I think there's a lot of things
that have changed that. Let's see espost as Running Man
will be the bait to see this for the pad
Land sweep. Yeah, it is like, honestly, that is the
test as dumb as that sounds because it is another ip.
But like anyone but you big hit romance great and
we kind of thought these are the two next big stars,
right Sidney Sweeney and Maccola did real because that small budget,
but the rest of stuff hasn't been the greatest. We'll
have to see how Christy does with Glenn pal Hugh
was also in Twisters, right, which is an old EP
but still an eyepiece, so it's still some help. Running
Man is an EYEP but there are so many people
that don't know about the Arnold wan Er, Like it's
a whole genera different generation, right, So I don't think
it's in that sense where Twisters need a more mainstream
and comes up a lot more. And that was a
bit more of an ensemble where who is in Running Man?
There's who's the joke character? Fuck? Who is it? There's
somebody that's in there for comedic relief? Is it Michael Sarah?
Is that it? It's somebody like that. Let me see
it's somebody that's like, so it's man, leave, it is
Michael Sarah. He's a comedic character. Man Lee paces in this.
That's great. Josh Brolin, William h Macy, Colin Domingo, and
David zayas Batista from Dexter. Sean Hayes, what a stack
fucking cast. Good for Running Man, good for Eggar right there,
but still that feels like it's a vehicle on him.
That is the test. Yeah, Mike, you did beat me.
I'll say, I suppose with the delay you got me.
I think that's the thing. Right, Let's see Sumer Mike
sense if you have to described them with the it's
the guy from X. They aren't a big name. Uh.
And then you say Austin Butler, a guy I go
by who my parents know, and they know Butler and
not Glenn. I would have to check about Butler. I'll
have to ask my mom. She knows Glenn because she
saw her and my whole family. I didn't go see,
but my sister, her and Emily went to go see
anyone but you. I don't know but Butler. I'll have
to ask, right, my dad. I think my dad is
almost all like guy from X. You know, so I
think it depends. I think the thing I think the
thing with Butler is I don't think he has been
the star of uh and and I'm in the middle
of watching Cott Stealing. I think that didn't perform the greatest, right.
I'm not saying you're biased, mikeuse you just watching and
really liked it. I'm enjoying it so far. I don't
think as much as you, but like I'm enjoying it.
I don't think Butler has been I wouldn't consider him
why Dune two was success orl right, Like, let's see,
I think I'm I know I'm missing one in here,
but let me tick awesome Buttle and don't be wrong.
I think he is the same thing that is the
I guess Elvis right? How was how did Elvis do?
Elvis movie? And that definitely built him and he's great
in that. Uh definitely shouldn't want over Brendan Fraser. Glad
that happened. But let's see that was eighty five million,
twenty eight million or two hundred and eighty eight million,
so like, yeah, but that's the same thing of like
it's you know, and yeah, Elvis was a huge army paranoio.
It's apsolut And that's what I was gonna say. Did
Austin Butler sell that? No, that was because it was
a well made movie bos Lerhman and it was the
Elvis Dame, right, So I'm just trying to think of
let me pull up, let me take a look and
see of movies. Uh, he was in he's in Eddington
for a little bit. He's in Master's there the whole
My man say, bike Riders. Yeah, like he doesn't have
that right, So that's that's toughing. I think it's you know,
all the pen we are because it's once point in
Hollywood Elvis, which got up big Bike Riders did nothing
right because I think Bike Riders was kind of because
between let me just pull it up here. I feel
like now people have written him off as a big
star because the bike Riders was off of Elvis and
then Codd Stealing. Those are two ones that did not
perform well, right, I'm pretty sure under like underwhelming. So
Bike Riders, what budget of thirty to forty million? Thirty
six million? Not good? Cod Stealing budget of forty million,
box off was thirty two million. So that's thing I
don't disagreem like that. There's definitely some people that would
think he's a star, but he didn't have the track
record that the Powell does. But Pal's also been ip stuff, right,
and that's what I just think. I don't think there
is anybody I think same things. Sweeny looked like she
could be that and it wasn't. That wasn't the case, right,
Margot quality, same thing, substance super hot after that, I'm
not talking not talking physical appearances. Yeah, she's gorgeous in
that movie, same as Demi. But after that Memes Oscars,
Substance was even tall like that started to people watch
us like a gross up movie or started to go everywhere, right,
and that the honey you don't know. Obviously not the
greatest reviewed movie. But that doesn't matter, right, because fucking
Minecraft and other movies that are not good review movies,
break box office records or do this. I'm not saying
Honey Don't should have had Minecraft. I'm just saying that
that was sold on Margaret quality and nothing happened. Right.
That was another one that God, what did that come
out to you? Right? And I feel like it's probably
like a budget of like twenty thirty million a Maine
about under that Honey Don't. Let's see so budget was
a box office six point seven million? Ay ya yay
geez a wheeze uh. And I agree yeah with this one.
He's parents certified and he's speaking of Michael B. Jordan.
Might be Jordan is a star. Michael B. Jordan's been
in multiple franchises. I know, again they're ips, but with
Black Panther, Creed Sinners, I think he is one of
the bigger names. Now again, who knows what happens is
you just put him in at rom com or a drama.
It's all about timing, right, So there's nobody that's a guaranteed.
So that's why for me it is a you need
there you go, there's your three awesome Butler, Glenn pal Uh,
Michael B. Jordan and then you get either Mark quality
or Sidney Sweeney as the female lead. You get Sidney
Sweeney because you can go with that AMM but you hype,
you know, and maybe not not Michael B. Jordan or
Glen Pucket's got the movie going, but those that's where
you should kind of aim for, right. So it's just
that there is no movie star, There is no that.
It's it's concepts, right. It's a and same thing we
talked about anime doing great lately or something like the conjuring,
Like the box office is all over the place right now,
so we'll see. And that's why I talk about this
where so I'm gonna talk about fast, talk about Dexter quickly,
I'm gonna talk about uh, Charlie's patront question Mike, I'm
gonna which I almost had this idea already. I think
your question because Mike asked me, what is the mount
rushmore of the horror directors, I honestly think, unless there's
something that breaks, my hope is to do a bonus
episode this week. I think that's gonna be the main
topic because I was looking at that and I think
I have three solidified, but one I want to talk
through it. And I also don't think that's like a
I can do that in a flat like five minutes.
I think there's a lot of contenders, especially like I
have two solidified too, I share with you, Mike, and
then there's the third Stobi. Oh, I'm pretty sure, and
then the foreslot can go all over. So there's a
tease that whether it's this week, next week. I think
I'm gonna do main topic based on Mike's question of
what's the mount rushmore of the twenty first century horror directors?
Because I can't just knock that out quickly, and because
if we didn't talk too much today then sure. But yeah,
so Mike, I will do that question. But I think
we can make that a main topic one, So look
out for that and send in more if people have,
If you have your picks, send them in before I
do them. You know, i'd say Thursday, Friday something like that.
Might not be a live episode, but still or even
next week. We'll see. My schedule is all over the place,
but I will do that probably is a main topic,
if not a second main topic, because that that there's
a lot of contenders for the best horror directors right now.
But then speaking with the box office fast and Furious.
There's and this is old news out because it came
out like on the Friday, which is just this weird
stuff where Vin Diesel says, oh, they come to him,
they want a new movie, which could be true, and
then he's posting photos of him on the set. He's
talking about being back on the street and all this stuff.
And then we find out that they're not even shooting
this movie, and that Universal it's kind of like, hey,
we we want you to bring down the budget to
do this right, and now there's it kind of sounds
like it's stalled. And here's the thing. I think that
Universal has all the fucking power here because obviously the
last Fast and Furious movie made quite a bit of money, right,
but it had a budget. What was the final budget
on that Fast X? Like it's part one, right, but
like it has like a budget of four hundred five
like it see yeah, and even then it's this three
seventy eight, but we know it's more than that on
lots of reports. And then I boxed us as a
seven fourteen made to a point where it made seven
fourteen not profitable. So I understand them saying, hey, you
gotta bring this down and I also just don't think
the demand is there. And I know people might be, oh,
they made so many of them, that is part of it.
But I think there was a layer, and I talked
about this in the last movie, and there's a couple
more I think it was. If it wasn't the one
before nine it was, I think it was not. I
think eight started to Obviously they go very much over
the top five and all on, right, but there's still
like a level of various familitude there where it feels like, Okay,
it's in the world, but quite heightened. Then we start
to obviousely you start to go to space, but then
you start to get really really big. But I think
the other thing too is they just lost the stakes
of almost every character that's died they bring back. So
it's just like that was the thing where it felt
like this evolving chapter and song, like what's gonna do?
Like what's gonna happen? Who were gonna lose? But it's
the abundancene that hams with the MC you know too, right,
the buncy to bring these people back, and the dumb
ways they do it. It just feels like there's no
point of really watching anymore. And that's why I felt
last one where that's the thing where most of the time,
even the things aren't great, I would prefer them to
have an ending. So if people haven't seen Last Fast,
fear is it's a bunch of Cliffaners, which I'm not
gonna get into because that, to me is the worst
one that's a bad movie other than My Moa. That's
a bad movie. To me. It's this thing of most
of the time, I want there to be an ending.
I want to know what's going on. So whenever I
watch this series again, I can go, Okay, I have
the X, Y and Z point A to point B,
but they kind admit it that I don't really care,
Like they got so far off the path that I
don't really care whether the any of these characters are
because it's not that big song anymore. Because again, these
characters just come back alive. They're here, they're there. It's
just it is. And again I can be fine with
that in a comic book world. In this world which
was supposed to be realistic, you know, to an extent,
I don't care. So and that's the thing where I
feel that's something that don't get me wrong. I think
people fast furus won't bomb. It could come out make money,
of course, but I don't think there is a fever
pitch wanting it. And I think that is because of
what they've done in the franchis and people move on.
There's too much time now. It's like twenty so if
this movie comes out, probably what twenty twenty seven, that's
four years. Sometimes, you know, asses makes the heart grow fonder.
But there's other stuff too where they're like, oh, we
got to reunite Domb and Brian. No we don't, No,
we don't. All these other deaths in the movies are
bad that they back and just went back on the
whole perfect ending of the two cars driving off and
see you again, all that stuff. If they just do
bring them back, it's like, well, what's the It makes
that movie feel lesser than right, And that's what a
lot of these other ones have made these movies feel
lesser than, which is not good. So it's weird where
for myself, who always likes to have a ending point,
and I feel like me and Emily every couple years
like like to watch them all together because she was
a big fan of them. And then I walked by
Oh yeah, these are fun. We haven't done that in
a well because we just haven't felt knee the last one.
Same thing for her, I was this is this isn't
the greatest, right, So they've kind of gone to that
part where we don't care. And that's where for me
it's crazy, where it's on a cliffhanger and usually want
it ending even if it's bad, like let's end it off.
I don't care if we never see them again. Right.
So that's where I think Universal very much has the power,
and that's where it's so funny. Then Diesel, it's all
about these movies about family. It's about the crew and
how close they are, et cetera. Right, And it's the
thing of well how close are you really? Are you
willing to take a pay cut? Because I imagine that's
what loss of it is, right, Yeah. And when they
were making money hand over fists, absolutely you can get
everyone in there, but when they're not less to go around.
So the thing of hey, either you do the Oppenheimer
Doom thing were we all work together make a bunch
of money but take cuts at the start, or I
guess you can be greedy. But then there's like a
less chance of success or they just don't make it right.
So I don't know sure if they make it all
be there, I would enjoy seeing the ending, and I think, yes,
you should cap this off, and I do think it
will happen. I think they will find a way to
get it to Doe because it just it's odd if
you do nothing with it. And I don't think it's
something that they go, Okay, we're rebooting with new actors.
I don't. I do think it is tied. At least
people's enjoyment is a lot tied to Ben die'zell and
Paul Walker, Michelle Roriguez and the Rock and Tyreese like
I think it is. Then I'm not saying you can
never do that again. But it's not like Spider Man
where you reboot right away and yeah, people love Tobin Kursten,
but it's you can get a whole fresh coat of
pain on that right, No pun intended with Fast. I
think what built the house was not the character. It
was the actors in there. But at the same time,
they're not worth the about that. You could be losing, right,
so we'll see. It doesn't matter mean they if they
don't do it. That's all right, because I think last
movie before oh before ten, did it just end with
like Brian pulling up to the cooker, so like I
could end in and watch them and be fine with it. Right,
So we'll see. I suppose don't forget to the solo
hobbspin off set between Fast X and lemn Yeah, that
was again. I I don't want that. I like the
Hobbes character. The two things I want is Hobbs and
Shaw too, which there was like rumors that they made
didn't get along, which wouldn't surprise me, but that's what
i'd want, or I want Rock with the crew. I
don't need them to be on his own and I
definitely don't need that. I'm not saying it could be awful,
but I just when he came back, I was like,
oh cool, they figured out he can be at the
Fast Team. And then it's like, not know, he's actually
it might just be his own movie and that's it.
It's like, well that's lame, That's not what I'm looking
for here. So but yes, I did forget about it.
We'll see me the Rocks more down to do it
after the Smashing Machine, right, I hope It's gonna be
interesting these next six months for Hollywood fans see how
the auscars go to right for Hollywood fans and wrestling fans.
Gonna be very interesting to see see the Rocks trajectory. Right,
Ryan Reynolds is the villain for Hobbs and Shaw, who's
still waiting for that payoff. I don't think he is
the villain, right. I thought the rumor that was that
was Kelanu who was the voice and they couldn't nail
down a deal. I think that. I thought that's what
it was. He was the voice and they just couldn't
nail down before the movie came out, so they left
it open by I guess was there something with Reynolds
being the villain. You'd have to explain that to me
because I forgot, but I remember Keanu. That thing is
true at least. I don't know if he was the
main big bad, but that's what sounds like. I feel
like they would just make Momoa the main big bat
now that was in Hobbs's shot right, like the secret device.
Mike says. I think the time of making remarking those
movies is part one. I'm part two is over, or
if as is over backfire form mission possible too. Yeah,
I agree. How do you feel about that for Wicked though,
Mike right, is it just different because that's not really
a big franchise is one and part two, so I
could see that. But I agree. I think for the
most part, I think Avengers could still kind of get
away with it, but I think for most franchises, Yeah,
people are kind of done with that. So he's in
the movie, and I thought I remembered Reynolds also being
the voice. He might have done the voice, but I
don't know if he's the actual film, but yes, he
is in that movie. Another character that just brandly pops up.
But yeah, we'll see. And then Dexter resurrected, resurrected, Resurrection
renewed for season two. There you go, that's happening. Yeah,
I sure, I obviously did well enough. I think from
a business they are smart to kind of ditch Original Sin,
which was not good. Not say Resurrection is good, but
to ditch that, and then the Triny Killer show. Will see,
they didn't give a date. They were doing the right
room now. I hope it is the only way to go.
But up, they did a lot of damage with Resurrection,
and I'm more excited for the reviews to do the
memes or we had the chat GPT of Dexter being
Mission Impossible, which was one of our best ones. We
were done. That was tons of there's The reviews are
fun and people still listen to them, so we will
still do them, but it's not the way where oh man,
I'm so excited to talk about Dexter. I'm excited to
talk about Dexter and kind of a laughing amount, but
not in a way where I once was, especially after
new Blood. So very disappointing, but it's good to I
guess here, and I think this is locked in right
because technically Dexter original sin got renewed for a season two,
but they chopped that. The word has all those changes
happened because of new leadership. I think now if the
new leadership is taken over and Dexter season two has
been renewed, I think that's a good sign, like it's
actually happened, barring the show runners or writers not getting
along and not working it out right. So we'll see.
But yeah, let's go to Charlie's Patreon question. Who Yeah,
thanks Charlie for message I passed on the boys for
the uh your view on the shot, which I'll read
a bit of it here. I'm glad you like them,
glad you like the movie and some other stuff you
picked up on for for the Substance. But yeah, no,
I'm glad you enjoyed the episode. It was very, very
fun one I've been waiting to do for a long time.
Surprised we got it. But and then, like I said, Mike,
I'm gonna do yours is a full topic because that
could be a bit longer. But Charlie Randell says, you
got two questions this week. Sorry if it's a little long,
and never never people, if you worry about this is
the time to send a long ones because there's many
times where there'll be lighter shows or nothing to talk about.
And even then I'll just always do it the next episode, right,
so I'll always make good uh It says Shining review
is a lot of fun. Love the movie like you,
the twisted them. The photo really stuck with me. Also,
never saw the cool comparisons with some of the shots
from the Substance. Yeah, that that's one of those things
where I watched it and then I love the Substance
and then people talk about, and I thought, oh, it
must be like a unconscious like within my consciousness of
another reason why I love the substance because Shining for me,
you know, minor spoilers people I think already knows, but
greatest horror me all time masterpiece. So seeing similar images
in the substance like, oh, okay, yeah, that's why I
enjoy it, right, And I love all those kind of
tributes and Easter eggs. I don't think it's you know,
too much. Some people might argue that the carpet and everything.
I get the point, but you know, that's fun. You know,
people are inspired by that stuff. As I've said before
in that same review, there's a show on our second
film that is just not ripped from the Shining, but
it is a tribut because I wanted to do it,
and let's take it on its head and change a
little bit. But that movie inspired a lot of people. Ah,
let's see. Okay, So he says, I've been trying to
watch all the old horror movies that I've never seen.
Just in the last months, I've seen signs of Lambs,
twentieth or twenty fiftieth, fiftieth anniversary for Jaws, and Theater nice.
I wanted to see them, didn't get around to it. Halloween,
The Thing, Psycho, Texas, Chainsaw, sixth Sense, The Shining, and Misery.
What are a couple more I should watch? Based on
the list, you could assume I haven't seen anything earlier
than the two thousands. Also, what are your favorite three
movies online? List? My top or The Thing, Halloween, SNS
of Lamb, not The Shining, my god, but yeah, that
would be where mine is there, So that let's say
that you've seen Shining's number one for sure. Halloween would
be number two, I think. And then I have to
rewatch The Thing Psycho in sixth sense because I've not
seen them in a very long time. I love Misery.
Misery is probably that there because I know April's probably
mad somewhere. She's probably waking up with her chainsaw. I
don't Texas Chainsaw. I hold in high regard for the
impact and what it did for horror community and film
and going forward, and it's defin inspired a bunch of people, right,
I don't have it in that high steem for me,
like if I'm making them out rushmore my favorites all time,
my top ten, I don't have it there. I think
at times it's a little I don't know, meandering. I
don't really I love all the characters. I think you
could cut some of that stuff out. I think there's
some horrifying stuff, don't You're wrong. There's some great shots
in there, some great moments, but it just it's never
hit me the same way as it has some other people.
And I think we all have those, right. I think
we all have a hot I knew April is on there.
I always got me chains are ready, she says. I
think we all have There's so many people that feel
way about the Shining right of Like when I don't
hear people, which if anyone's there, there's no disrespect is fine.
But when I hear people go like, oh, you know,
I like the Shining a lot, but Doctor Sleep's better,
I'm like, fucking what, no way. I love Doctor Sleep,
but like, there's absolutely no way right. So for me,
I think everyone has those top ten horror movies that
there's one on the list where you go, h not
necessary for me. I think what you should do is
you got to knock off the big three. You did
Halloween Offuly. You could keep watching them and chat. I
see you know April and their spos and Mike if
you want to go into it too, what is your
guys's next that you'd put for Halloween? Right, because it's
tough for me to say with what I'm saying with
the Trinity is to me, it's Michael, Freddie and Jason.
You should watch a few of those. I think with
Freddie it's very easy because watch the first one. You
could watch the first one be done. The first one
to me is as like a horror masterpiece, where the
shine of Me is a film masterpiece. There's some stuff
where like the acting of Nightmare is not gonna be
what Jack Nicholson is doing, right, But I the concept
that performance, especially from Robert England, absolutely love. So for me,
you should at least knock off that. And then I
could say like, oh, if you like that, but don't
want to watch them all right, because you watched Halloween, Charlie,
I'm not sure now are you playing like, oh you
want to watch all them? Two? Three, four? Halloween to
me is harder. They live there's another good one. Yeah,
Jason character wise is in the trendy in terms of
movie Hell no, I yes, I that's a tough thing, right.
So that's where I'm getting before I get to your
point there, Mike. Where Freddie I can easily say, and
that's why to me, Freddy is the best one. Freddy
has the best quality out of Michael, out of the
horror icons, I think all of them, right, he has
the best. He'd watch the thing, so he's got that
covered down. He has to me easy ones where I
could say, okay with Freddy, it's the first one, three
and New Nightmare. Those are ones that I think are
great horror movies. There's lots of people that defend for
But if you, Charlie, because I'm not sure if you're
just watching the classic, because some people might, Oh, I've
watched this and then that's good enough. I'm gonna move
on watch some other stuff. If you're gonna watch the
entire series of them, all great and there's some fun stuff,
there's some bad stuff, there's some good stuff. Oh, you're
probably gonna fight you on that, but I need, I
do need to rewatch. So I think with Freddie, if
you were to say so, I say, definitely Nightmare and
elm Street add that, watch the first one and if
you like them, oh yeah, I agree there. Yeah, Freddy
versus Jason, that's another one, what I But I do
think you kind of need some of the context of
them all. But I think with Freddy, I can easily
say first third, New Nightmare, and even Free versus Jason.
But that's kind of a side tangent, right, Halloween and Jason,
I have a tougher time saying that. I think those
go into a schlocky have a good time thing. Like
even the first Friday thirteenth not really the greatest movie.
I am in the camp that I think it's kind
of sacrilegious for me to say, but I think from
a film quality standpoint, I think it's missing a lot
of stuff. It's missing some of the charm. But as
a film start to finish, the remake for Friday thirteenth
might be the best one. Where the remake for night
Man Elm Street is the worst one in that series,
even though Jackie Rohley is very underutilized as Freddy. Right so,
and same thing so with Halloween. That's a tough thing
because here we have some so I suppose it's Halloween.
I would say the original twentyeen despite the other ones
there in there, I like and I think I'm kind
of the same. I do really enjoy Halloween, for I
think Halley, fuck, it's a little men. But how April,
I'm gonna get to you got some hot takes going here.
We've got three minutes. I don't have time to break
down all these hot takes. And I see Mike's there, Mike,
I don't think that's a hot take. He's this hot
take is the best John Carpenter, I don't think so.
I have to watch the thing again. It's been a while,
but I from what I remember, I don't think that's
a hot take. I know you're saying that cause probably
most people say Halloween, but I feel like the Thing
might be better overall because a Halloween like, I think
it's a great first act and a great don't get
me wrong, it's all great. I give that a five. Five.
I'm saying, if you're looking at it versus the Thing,
I think the middle, like the Act two just slogs
down a little bit where it just gets a little repetitive,
and it's like, oh right, it's it's good. Where the Thing,
I think there's always intrigued. But again, I have to
rewatch it. It's been a long time, so maybe that's
an excellent list. But with Halloween, I agree with S. Bubbs,
where you could watch the original for sure, and then
twenty eighteen, which I do really enjoy, the rest of
the series, which I watch again this year not as great,
and even Halloween three or Halloween twenty eighteen, the third
act some bad stuff starts to happen. So I think
it's a really good legacy sequel. No, I think it's
a good legacy sequel. I think the third act does
really hurt it, but I think that's worth watching. And
then to me, Halloween four, I think that's fun. Oh no,
I'm seeing No, I'm wrong too. I'm a huge fan.
To me, the best sequel in Halloween's Halloween h two.
Oh I fucking love H two. Yeah, it's a little
scream quoted where that's another one Scream put on the list.
Just the original trilogy four I'm not like a huge
fan of, and the new sequel trilogy. There's some pros
and cons, but I think Charlie definitely the original Scream
trilogy you should knock off. But yeah, Halloween, I'm a
big resid or H two O fan, so I would
say for Halloween. Watch that watch H two O, because
you could literally watch H two oh, and you don't
have to watch the other ones. It's like a legacy. See,
it's like one of the first legacy sequels ever. And
then I think that's kind of it, and I do
have to end it. I hear though, But April you said, yeah,
I agree with everybody here, Evil Dead, those are ones
you should definitely put up. Especially with those Charlie, you
get a whole variety of comedic movies, scary movies if
you like orchard porn and not talking about very goryous movies.
Like there's a why variety. There's like almost parody with
Evil the three. So I agree it of all of them.
To me, I'm always gonna say nightmare. First, I'm gonna
say scream, and then I'm going to say Evil Dead.
I agreet them. You should get to Jason, but like
you know, even then and Aprils is Halloween three, I
didn't rewatch that not the biggest fan Halloween three. That's
Halloween without Michael. But then she also said Jason X
is the best f thirteen. I think I you can
take a case for that in some places, but not
to me. I think for comedic value, yes, you could
Black Christmas. Yeah, that's a good one to be in there,
asps as real sickles hit the original Halloween, Halloeen H
two and Resurrection line. I do not include Resurrection. I stop.
And I even like Halloween two, so I could go
Halleen one, two and h two. A resurrection does not
exist for me. That's a bad movie. That there's it's
so funny they've tried to correct the they try to
correct the lineage of those movies, right, like, let's fix
like Halloween comes out, and then they make two, and
then four and five because three does Michael Myers, and
then they have the Curse of Michael Myers. And then
with h twelve they're like, we're gonna ignore all the
movies that aren't Halloween one and two. Okay, they do that,
they get to Resurrection and they screw up again there.
So then Halloween twenty eighteen, which I hate, that's called that.
It says, okay, well, let's ignore all of them except
the first one. There is like a perfect to me,
if you were to somehow put all the movies together,
a perfect timeline. But none of the timelines are perfect
in itself right as it says, I love resurrection and
a so bad it's good. But if you ignore it
the way LORI Dying part, Sorry, I fucking butchered that
I love resurrection in a so bad it's good way.
I agree with efforting, I can get there. If we're
talking in fun sense then yes, or with Jason xamine
it's good. Uh if you ignore the way LORI Dying
part at the start, yeah, LORII Dying part is it's
some bad stuff. And maybe I just boiled that for Charlie.
But like again, there's multiple timelines, so it doesn't matter.
Chris the Chucky is a great later Chucky sequel to
my favorite in the franchise, Chris was that the one
that went to Netflix when They're in the Asylum because
I thought I did not Yeah, I I did not
enjoy that one. Mike, I can't. I can't get with
you that one. It's been a while. I think we
did on Netflix and fail. I was not a fan
of those, but uh, yeah, so Charlie. That's what I'd
say is Nightmare, elm Street, Scream, Evil Dead, a couple
of Halloween movies. I think Jason, you should knock some
of them off, but those are you gotta watch and
notes the one before Okay, then they had that one
I think was bad, the Asylum one that was iffy.
That was not a good one. But yeah, I think
with Jason, I'm not sure. If you're watching these alone,
you probably have less fun of your watching them alone.
But if you're ever watching them with people, then get
into the Friday thirteenth. But you should watch a couple.
I feel like Friday thirteenth. Watch the first one. I
would say one, two, four, and then the remake, but
you should probably just watch them all. But there you go.
That is travesty for today. That was fun. Like I said,
send him more Halloween stuff. I love Tomas. Maybe we'll
try to do the week of a how on Halloween episode.
But yeah, next next episode. Whenever I do record that,
whether it's on Friday or next week, the main topic
will be Mike's question one of the day's, or at
least be a subtopic of the mount Rushmore of hor
Directors in twenty first century. Thank you very much for
tuning in to this episode. I promise you when I'm
back next week it won't be boring. Oh hang on,
Charlie Randalls says, I've actually seen Evil dead on the screen,
but definitely gonna do Friday thirteen tonight. Yeah, do Nightmare first,
I'd say, because if you're just watching, if you have
a limited time, Nightmare is the one. I recommend. Friday's
My Guy, But Friday thirteenth, Yeah, there's some fun ones
in there, Child's play, even the old child's play, I
would recommend the two. Is there any other slasher ones?
I'm not sure we'll return do, but we've give you
some homework now, Charlie. So there you go, I promising,
hear from his next point,