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Speaker 2: Well, hello and welcome. Thank you forgetting your pun on.
Thanks for telling a friend. That's how we spread the
word about the pirate ship. Danny's been a while. I know, Hei, Gosh,
you're there and here. I can't see you. No, I
don't know what you do. I can't see you. I
can't see the Buffalo bills anymore. I can't see them.
We'll get into all that stuff because I know that
you've been chopping at the bit. We didn't get to
do the Kansas City game uh last week, which I'm
sure you had some serious thoughts about how bad they
sucked in that game. And we'll uh we'll hear all
that coming up with you and Peter and Juice will
be get on to tell us, uh what picks to
pick for?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: What are we week eleven?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Juice had a rough week last week. He sent
me his picks. Wow, and I bet some money. Oh No,
I lost like before one o'clock.
Speaker 2: Well, it was a bad it was a weird, it
was bad. It was a weekend. Yes, it was very strange,
bad football weekend, very strange, a lot of bad football,
particularly in Miami.
Speaker 4: But we'll get to that later.
Speaker 2: I am very excited about Uh. I like this, and
I'm gonna have to really discipline myself and try to
wait for the weekend or maybe Friday evening.
Speaker 4: Well that's what the adderall is for.
Speaker 2: To watch it well, to watch Uh. Sometimes I just go,
I break right through serious animal comes. I'm like, you've
already already. I can break through y adderall. Yeah, I've
had a up at a lot so yeah. Well, like honestly, uh,
today I had a lot of stuff to do and
I did not sleep well last night at all, Like
I was. I could not fall asleep. I don't think
I fell asleep till three, and then my alarm went
off at six thirty and I got up and I've
been powered through ever since.
Speaker 4: If you want to fall asleep, close your eyes and
then just dart your eyes back. And yeah, that was
as hard as you can, as long as you can.
It wasn't working for me, yester, did you try it?
Did you really try that the first time you're hearing this?
Speaker 2: Now, I had heard this before, because one I think
you've mentioned it, okay, and I think I had Usually
I try to read or something like that. I just
had a There's a lot that's happening that I'm waiting
a little bit of time to talk about. But uh so,
there's been.
Speaker 4: Tried doing homework that always puts me to sleep when
I was a kid.
Speaker 2: No, I did not. And I have a lot right
because now I'm coming up on crunch time.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, finals coming up?
Speaker 2: Yeah, finals, projects to just a lot.
Speaker 4: I had a woman tell me today that she's leaving
sales for three hundred thousand dollars a year job to
go into mental health counseling.
Speaker 2: Really.
Speaker 4: Yes, she think she's burned out from sales. She's been
doing it for thirty years. Yeah, and she's been taking
classes without her employer knowing, and that she is now
going into mental health counseling.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I can see that. I mean, I think that you
start to see the benefit of it. It can be rough.
I can tell you that it can be a rough
journey for yourself. You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, rough?
Speaker 2: Journey for your because.
Speaker 4: You're discovering things about you as you're learning about everyone else.
Speaker 2: You're discovering things about I'd be a wreck. No, not
by OCD, not because I got that. I got that.
I did an assessment. So you had to do a
personality assessment and there was like three hundred and sixty
five questions or something on there. And these tests are
really really incredible because they even have a section where
you're answering questions. You don't know this at the time,
but it's like is this likely very likely? Unlike you
know whatever, and you have to mark it in and
a lot of it is to how accurately and honestly
you're answering these questions, and they're like, what's that?
Speaker 4: Is each question of a point value?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, when you go back through and score it,
scoring is like it it took two classes to finish
the test and then and it so I think we
took an hour and a half and an hour and
a half another time, and then we did the scoring process.
But in this you come out and so other people
in my cohort are like, these young girls are going,
oh my god, I came out like schizophrenic, and they go,
what about what about you? And I said, I came
out really normal, like no elevated anything, except for in
the next level up from don't worry about this to hey,
you may be a little bit concerned, especially if you're
the upper end with anger. Not surprising, but this is
over a lifetime of stuff that we're talking about too, right,
and drinking, and so then what you have. You had
to go back and write a report on the test,
and you had to break down how it scored and
what this is and each section and what these things
mean and all that, and then do an analysis of
the results and come up with a diagnosis. Is there
a diagnosable anything here? You know, like people go, well,
they're schizophrenic. Schizophrenia has a real you gotta have. You
got to meet real criteria. Bipolar you got to meet
certain criteria. Yes, it's like a month long thing.
Speaker 4: So especially with those new drug commercials coming out.
Speaker 2: Oh there's different right, and like iipolar and one bipolar two,
and so people get all all twisted too. So I
found it to be. I felt great after that. I
was like yeah, and then and then said like slightly
elevated levels of stress. I go, yeah, this is over
a lifetime. I was married, I got molested. I mean,
what are you talking about it?
Speaker 4: Er?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, that way I got molested, married and
molested again. God, anybody around Saint Patrick, say a couple
of years ago the second time, fucking unrad.
Speaker 4: No, Like when I used to go to the psychiatrist,
the drug doctor, not the psychologist. You got to like
take a score test first when you walk in, and
they'd look at your points and go, okay, I'm gonna
up this or down this or whatever, right, and a
lot of it twenty sometimes I'd be in the fives.
Speaker 2: Well, the tough part with that is any given day
you're gonna feel differently. Oh yeah, And so you're trying
to look for something that's going to be sustained accuracy,
So you know, is it what's the validity of these tests?
And a lot of times they have you retake it
two weeks later to see do you score within at
least five point range.
Speaker 4: Of each other and consistently? Yeah, exactly, Yeah, they want
to establish a baseline. Right, So listen, it's a mental
health counsel. You you have to figure out yourself first
before you can help anybody else. Is that part of
the process.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Okay, I don't know. I've heard that.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that maybe, I mean it's probably good.
Here's what I would say. You want to be aware
of your blind spots, your prejudices, your biases, favor it
is that you kind of just know, like, hey, I'm
not great with this because I think it's overreaction and
people are a little bit of whiny or whatever. So
that's not my field, depending on what that is. But
it is interesting because what I'm starting to say is
I'm very excited because tonight the Eddie Murphy documentary drops
on Netflix. Oh I've been waiting and waiting for this.
Just just to give you a little.
Speaker 5: Taste, I've done so many different types of things.
Speaker 2: Good morning, my neighbor.
Speaker 1: You had that appointment, your destiny.
Speaker 4: He changed the way we I remember that scene. Yes
you too, Shrick, Shrick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it just looks great. It's called being Eddie,
and I think of like people in that line of work,
it's very hard to maintain a career. We see the
guys with the longevity, the Harrison Ford's right, the guys
that kind of made it and stayed but for comedy,
especially you know, the vehicle can run out, stick becomes old.
There's all this stuff. And Eddie Murphy didn't remember when
we sent my grandmother to see Norbit. Yeah, and she
reviewed it for us on the break room. Yeah, the
late Agnes Dolan. But I was really interested in this
and one of the big things, like I think the
Post had a big article today going Eddie Murphy was
so upset over David Spade's joke. I think it was
nineteen ninety five when he was doing Spade in America.
And here's a little bit of that. If you don't
remember around.
Speaker 5: Ladies and gentlemen stay in America with say.
Speaker 6: Alright, good crowd, thanks for staying up. Okay, Well, I
got a fan letter here from Indiana and I like
to read it to you. It says, dear David, why
are you such an idiot? Every time I see you,
I want to punch you in the face. Sincerely, Danny Minton. Ps,
why don't you ever do Hollywood minute anymore?
Speaker 5: Look? Children, it's a falling star.
Speaker 6: Make a wish it was.
Speaker 2: Eddie Murphy did that Vampires in Brooklyn movie, Yes, And
it had horrible reviews, and so he said he put
up a picture of that.
Speaker 4: He goes, hey, look, children, uh a former SNL cast member. Yeah,
and the first cast member I believe to host the show,
which I'm sure went over real well with the rest
of the cast.
Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing that's so strange. It is because
I always thought, like, well, Eddie got his feelings hurt,
and what a whiner, and why not just talk about that?
And I guess he does in this documentary. And what
he says is if there was a joke now about
a former SNL cast member about how fucked up their
career was, it would get shot down. Oh that's what
he's saying. And he goes, it went through all those
channels that a joke has to go through, and then
it was on the air. He's like, no one stopped it.
So he said, I wasn't like fuck David Spade. I
was like fuck SNL, you know. And he said, that's
why that's what you all think of me. Well, you're
dirty motherfuckers, and that's why I didn't go back for years.
Speaker 4: Lord Michael's allowed it. He stops with him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's a funny joke. It is because
you've got I mean, I get it. You're you're trying
to come up with the comedy on the spot. It's
a little bit shocking, any of these shocking that you
would roast one of your own.
Speaker 4: At the same time, though you are a comic. This
is what you do. If you could dish it out,
you should be able to take it too.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I like we had that rule of the breakroom. Man,
if you can't laugh at yourself, then don't make fun
of anybody else.
Speaker 2: Right, But when you were one of the guys that
made the show what it had become, like really carried
it through after the original cast.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and really it was the second generation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he was young. I think he was nineteen
when he joined the cast of 'sn L. I mean
that that's a baby.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Remember when you were nineteen what we were doing it
night Gosh, I was in college. Okay, I was an idiot. Yeah,
I was in college. I got on the radio and
I was doing that. I don't know. It's a funny
thing because one of the things that I'm finding, and
maybe it's something even in yourself as you sort of
do self exploration, is I have a real problem with
weak people and I think that a lot of people
who have had trauma in their lives, and trauma could
be at any level. But there are things that would
be traumatic to somebody and maybe not to somebody else.
So you can't really say, well, that's not trauma. Maybe
it is.
Speaker 4: I don't know, depends on who you are.
Speaker 2: So I would say though a lot of those people
do the classic avoidance of things, so when situations get sticky,
they try to just kind of avoid having to talk
about it, let it just die out and move on.
I certainly was somebody like that, but now at this
point in my life, I go, that is such a weak,
weak way to be as a human being. And I
think that there are so many and I've experienced it
with so many different people. When I look back, I go,
oh my god, a lot of it in you know,
relationships and things because people don't know how to communicate,
or they're afraid of what the reaction was. Putting the
reaction that they got in the past on the present
doesn't mean it's going to happen, right, And that's where
you got to go that stuff is bullshit. But there
is something where I think at one point you have
to be like genuinely honest with somebody. And there's a
lot of salespeople in the world, wonderful salespeople, but salespeople
are salespeople. And I will argue to the day I
leave this planet that they can't turn it off. They're
always selling you a line of complete and utter horseshit.
I really do. I think people who are great at sales,
they just they're selling in their lives all the time.
We all are to a certain extent. I mean, it
is it's all about sales. But the ones that do
it and and and can make a lot of money
at it, they're real slick, and they have a way
of manipulating in words and twists and stuff and I
and when you step back from that, you go, man,
that is such a fucked up human being. Own it.
Make a fucking opinion. Here's what I'm starting to realize.
Speaker 4: There used to be where people will go professional politicians.
Speaker 2: Uh maybe, but I think that but most of it
is I'm not sure about that with the.
Speaker 4: Like voting politicians. But just in general, what.
Speaker 2: I think for a lot of people is they don't
know who they are.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's off the top of my head
right now.
Speaker 2: I think that's a tough thing. I think when people
don't know who they are, they wishy washy, they're over here.
They can't really make a decision. They know that this
doesn't feel right, they don't know how to confront it.
They're not sure how to have a conversation, so they
kind of just dance and it and and you look
at that. I look at that now and I go, ooh,
I have done that, And that's weak.
Speaker 4: We've all done it.
Speaker 2: That is really really really weak. That says so much
about somebody. And especially then when you get someone who's
in sales who's gonna try to be real quick on
their it's like, WHOA, you're a I see what this is.
It's smoking mirrors. You're full of shit. Yeah, you don't
know who you are, but you're full of shit. That
that much. We know even you know you're full of shit.
And so I think those are some of the things.
And that was where I think for a long time
with the Edny thing, I thought he's full of shit
for exactly what you're saying. But then when you look
at it now and you go I wasn't mad at
David Space because I always thought it was David Spain,
Fuck you another comic ripping on me. You're a young
kid who hasn't had the career I've had. You didn't
get all the success I had by that point, you know,
all the Beverly Hills cop movies were out. Yeah, I'm
not sure if Coming to America was or was not.
Speaker 4: I was out. Yeah. He had just done Boomerang before that. Okay,
so Boomerang was also a bomb too, Okay, because I
actually I dated a woman who dated Eddie Murphy and
she was actually like in the movie he got cut.
But I remember because the soundtrack at the time was
bigger than the actual movie. It had two number one
hits on it. But Boomerang was a disaster at the
box office, right, And then I think he was in
another one too at that time that really didn't go well.
Then he did Vampire in Brooklyn, and all of a sudden,
like people are considering him for kid movies at one point.
I mean, eventually he did he did Shrek later on.
It wasn't until he did The Nutty Professor that people
started coming back around on him, and that was like
ninety seven.
Speaker 2: Well, it takes a while sometimes for people because you
get that little tarnish on you and then all of
sudden you become a superstar gan and now Eddie Murphy
is like, can do no wrong. But as they say
in this documentary, number one movie, number one soundtrack or
number one song, number one movie, number one stand up special,
I think at the same time, that's absolutely incredible. So
I'm excited to see this. I did think in that
moment it was sort of weak of him not to
address it. And now that I'm seeing and I go, oh,
I get it. It was the whole show. It wasn't
David spae It was the whole show. David could have
done that one on one and the thing he probably
would have confronted David this was I know the channels.
I did this show, I created many many I was
a star because of this show.
Speaker 4: So now that you mentioned that documentary, Whi's coming out?
Have you seen the John Candy documentary yet I did too.
They're very parallel. Then if John had lived beyond forty three,
he may have had that comeback that Eddie had. You
gotta remember at the end of his career, they talked
about how he was trying to carry everybody with them
on his success, and it just was failure. After they said,
you did a lot of turkeys. Well, I don't like
to call them turkeys. He's such a nice guy. He
didn't want to let anybody down.
Speaker 2: You don't even remember that.
Speaker 4: He did a cartoon called Camp Candy. He did a
few other movies. There was one where he caught a
knife with his hands, but there were yeah, like Uncle
Buck and Home Alone were his last great movies, and
he was just a side character in Home Alone. He's
the unsung hero of all the characters in the movie.
He got the mom home. But I mean, but goes
back to the avoidance thing. He's sitting there, like smoking
a cigarette. Ter his brother has a heart attack and
he's drinking. He goes My brother doesn't take care of himself.
But he goes back to his father, who died when
he was five years old, and they never addressed it.
The family never addressed it. And then his own kids,
who were really young when he died. His son had
to go back and investigate his father's life to figure
out who his father was.
Speaker 2: Wow, he died so young, well, he died forty three.
But when the kid was so young too.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, but even his father died when he was
really young, right too. But the avoidance, they never talked
about it. Had they maybe have talked about it, maybe
he would have taken better care of himself age.
Speaker 2: Possibly some of that stuff's genetica. I don't know. Uh, yeah,
it's interesting. I thought that documentary was a little bit slow.
I watched it over a series of days because I
found it to be slower than I enjoyed. No, I
liked it. I thought it was you know, it was great,
and I thought that all the interviews were were very interesting.
Speaker 4: I walked away from that like he had never left Candy. Yeah, yeah, like,
oh my gosh, he was just a wonderful, wonderful guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and all the.
Speaker 4: Things that he did and yet because but but he's
trying to carry everybody else with him, and sometimes, like
Bill Murray was saying, he goes, you could drag everybody
kicking and screaming, but sometimes they don't want to come along,
or they're not good enough to come along. And that
was part of this. I could so I could see
parallels between what you're describing with Eddie Murphy, John Canty
and a lot of guys go through that. Then they
have that career resurgeence like pulp fiction brought back the
career John Travolta and made Samuel L. Jackson a star.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, that's true. All Right, we'll take a moment.
Our friend Juice is on standby with Picks for weeks eleven.
Speaker 4: He says he wasn't here last week when he wants
to own his mistakes the Giants.
Speaker 2: Uh oh, he's got parting ways with with Brian Dable
and maybe he'll be back in Buffalo. It may be
a welcome thing to see him back up in the
booth and Buffalo.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I want to get Juice's thoughts on Dable because there's
already talk obviously who's going to replace them, And there's
some the Pickens are slim. Yeah yeah, but there's a
couple of interesting names.
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick being one of them.
Speaker 4: From possibly, but there's another one I think might actually
be a better choice.
Speaker 2: Okay, we'll get to all that right after this. Hey,
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Week eleven of the NFL season. Already the Bill's sitting
at six and three, the Patriots at eight and two.
Is that correct? A clear almost two games lead in
the AFCs. Hey, look, there's a lot of football left
to be played. That's all I'll say, although they do
have the Jets this weekend tonight or tonight is it
Thursday night? Yeah it is. It is a bit of
a snooze fest, right, I'm not sure if I like
that game.
Speaker 4: Patriots had three big plays against Tampa Bay that put
them over in that game. So like two big runs
in a big touchdown pass. I mean, I think it's
like Drake May hasn't been well protected, but he did
all right. I mean he's been playing well. Yeah, he's
playing well, don't get me wrong. I mean, but like
they're finding ways to win games on the road, and
Tampa Bay had a week off get to get ready
for that. They still couldn't figure it out.
Speaker 2: And here comes Tampa Bay.
Speaker 4: Here, they're getting their they're angry, and they possibly could
have Bucky Irving, Chris Godwin back and fight Avay. So meanwhile,
the Bills their their injury list is getting longer. It's
getting longer. Somebody may have said after Week one on
the show.
Speaker 2: The season is gonna be over. I mean it's over
for the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 4: Uh, well, you talk if you're talking about Super Bowl, Yes,
it's over.
Speaker 2: I think that it's just uh, I think it's kind
of done.
Speaker 4: I think they I have lowered my expectations to whatever
happens happens, and I have countless reasons, which which we'll
get into later.
Speaker 2: Our friend Juice is here with some picks. Juice, the
other guy who had a rough week your Giants, I
don't know. I mean Jackson, I told you, I told you,
I told you it was coming.
Speaker 7: You know, there was there was no way he was
going to last, uh next year, So they just they
cut the cord now and just said, why even bother
hanging around?
Speaker 8: And it's over.
Speaker 4: For four double digit four double digit fourth quarter deafest.
It's that they gave up four double digit leads and
they gave up in the fourth quarter this year. The
odds of that happening to one team is one in
sixty thousand.
Speaker 8: Yes, I heard that.
Speaker 7: Just I mean, the Giants in theory could be five
and five if, say, if those games didn't go the
way they did.
Speaker 8: And that's why Davil is no longer with us, do.
Speaker 2: You, uh, Jackson dark concussion? Yeah, yeah out.
Speaker 8: And that's part of the reason too.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Dave's was just he was reckless with him.
Speaker 7: He was encouraging him to take on and with the Giants,
brass is saying, they're telling Jackson to tone it down
a little bit, like, don't take these guys on head
on when you're running. Running's fine, but you got a
slide more and he like refused to slide. He wants
to like go, you know, take on these middle linebackers.
And that's why he's gonna nix missed the next game
and maybe one after that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they had the blue tent the entire state of
New Jersey to keep them off the field.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 7: Oh, and then what came in. Russ came in and
he is just fucking horrible. He is so bad, so good,
so he should never step on a football field again,
unless it's too volunteer to mow the grass at his
heights at his kids high school football field.
Speaker 4: It's very rare that a national pundit who's not known
for like taking shots, takes shots at a player. Scott
fan Pelt, who may be one of the nicest guys
in sports media, tweets out, mister limited.
Speaker 2: Ah, that's funny because they don't like Russ.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Russ is like as a phony when the camera's
are the guy's a phony and it's coming back to roost. Mean, well,
there's James and Jamis Winston holding court in New Jersey
today talking about I think he's gonna start a Yes.
Speaker 7: They announced that Mike Mike Kafkar already announced that Jamis
is starting, which he's already making the right decisions right
right off the bat, which is awesome. I mean, that
just gives us some hope, some fun. It's just gonna
be fun having him out there slinging. He'll throw four
touchdowns in three interceptions, but god damn it, he'll make
it fun.
Speaker 4: You'll have a chance to win, though.
Speaker 2: Well it's the Giants Packers, which was a snap. Packers
game was a snooze fan.
Speaker 4: I don't think Jordan Love is as good as everybody says.
Speaker 2: Don't either. I don't either. I never did. I don't
know why. I just never really did. Uh, Juice, who
do you like in some of these games? I mean,
last week there was some surprising blowouts along the way.
Speaker 8: And we got we got smacked. I hit.
Speaker 7: I know we didn't do the picks out here, which
I'm thankful for and nobody else. Didn't cost anybody else money.
But I text in privately and told them what we
were playing, and we lost every single one.
Speaker 8: We got absolutely whacked.
Speaker 2: All right, you're not. I can't win all of them,
and that's part of the Actually.
Speaker 3: It.
Speaker 7: Took ten weeks to have our first losing week, so
I'm okay with that. And we went ten nine weeks,
you know, in the in the black, and now we
finally go red. So that's all right, no problem. But
as I tell my friends, we're beat but not beaten.
We're going to be back this week.
Speaker 2: Okay, give me a We'll start with the Bucks and
the Bills only because here's what's interesting about this. You've
got two quarterbacks drafted in twenty eighteen who have taken
very different journeys in the NFL. Josh Allen has been
only in Buffalo. Hopefully he'll stay only in Buffalo. You
have Baker Mayfield who went Cleveland and then from Cleveland
to the Panthers, from the Panthers to the Rams, from
the Rams to the Bucks. Right, I think that's the trajectory.
That's like four teams in eight years. So it seems
like a lot, and he seems to have found a
landing spot. I'm not so sure I'm sold on Baker Mayfield.
Being an elite quarterback, he seems like a lot of
times he has to hop up as he's throwing the
ball to get it over the line. I don't know why.
And he's not that little.
Speaker 4: It's just that he's six foot yeah.
Speaker 2: Well that's short five inches, yeah, but how do you
But yet he has a will to win. There is
a tenacity about this guy. I mean, you feel like
you have him on your side, You've always got a
shot in the game. So I'm not I'm not feeling
great about this, to be quite honest, with the Bucks
and the Bills.
Speaker 7: No, I think what's gonna help the Bills, unfortunately, is
the loss. I don't see them losing two in a row.
So Allen's gonna be hungry and they're gonna get this
win on Sunday. I just don't see them losing again.
The weather is gonna be shitty, it's gonna be rainy,
so the Bills have got to run now. Also, unfortunately,
Tampa's run defense is pretty good, so the Bills are
gonna have to They're gonna have to grind this out.
But overall, I think with the weather conditions, I think
it's favors to Buffalo, and then I think the Buffalo
will get the win, and what is it? I think
five and a half. So I'm probably not staying away
from that, or I am staying away from that. I
look to maybe take the Bills live, you know, get it,
maybe under a field goal or something.
Speaker 2: But I don't.
Speaker 8: I don't like the I don't like five and a
half points.
Speaker 9: All right, I don't either. No, No, if I'm taking
Tampa Bay this one to cover, yes, to cover. Okay,
They're definitely not beating Houston the week after. I'm telling
you that right now, Buffalo. But that's another story from me.
Speaker 2: I mean, who knows they're not.
Speaker 4: Going to Houston beating Houston in three days? No, they're not.
Speaker 2: Uh, Chiefs Broncos, Chiefs really Okay, Dandy Reid go ahead.
Speaker 7: Off of by huge the Broncos last Thursday against the Raiders.
Speaker 8: That was another snooze fest. They were that was so.
Speaker 7: Bad they barely won that game. That game was fucking horrible.
I think the Chiefs come in there and get right,
They're they're gonna they're gonna smack them around. I'm Chiefs
minus four. That's our first, that's our first played the week.
Speaker 4: Usually quarterbacks take a step forward to their sophomore year. Yeah,
he's actually like the regress his request. He does not
look good. His decision making is it's like he's playing scared,
like he doesn't want to tick off Sean Payton.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well Sean Payton. I I have not heard nice
things about Sean Payton in his personal life.
Speaker 4: Oh, I think that.
Speaker 7: I think the Chiefs know that that division is, you know,
that in reach for them. Uh, they haven't played the
Broncos yet, so they're gonna knock them off twice and
get in. I think the Chargers are on the decline
with their offensive line. So I still think the Chiefs
went at division and I think that run that they
start starts on Sunday.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 2: Uh, Danny says the Texans are good.
Speaker 3: Give me some time.
Speaker 4: They're good. I say they're gonna beat the Bills because
it's a Thursday night game. I didn't say they're good.
They they shot their load like last week coming back
against James.
Speaker 2: Goodness. Uh, Texans, give me some locks of the week.
What do you got a game?
Speaker 7: Speaking of Houston, We're gonna take them minus seven against
the Tennessee Titans.
Speaker 8: Now, the player is the league's best.
Speaker 7: Defense versus the league's worst offense, and I'm gonna go
defense every time.
Speaker 8: Okay, Yes, Davis Mills is starting.
Speaker 6: C J.
Speaker 7: Stroud is out, which you know gives me a little
bit of pause. But I still don't see Tennessee doing
anything in this game. Uh, And I think that Houston
will do enough to cover. I mean, even if it's
ten three or seventeen seven or something, it's gonna be
low scoring. It's gonna be ugly, but Houston will win
by seven or more points.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I like that. You know what's another one?
Speaker 8: You got another big game which is actually.
Speaker 7: Potentially game of the game of the year so far.
You got the Rams versus the Seahawks.
Speaker 8: Awesome game.
Speaker 2: Yes as well, Rams great.
Speaker 4: Seattle is the sneakiest best team in the NFL. The
games are very close.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Got to remember who Seattle has at quarterback, and that's
Sam Donald and he has not really won a big
game yet.
Speaker 8: This is a big game.
Speaker 7: For him, and I just I've taken the Rams minus
three in this all day. I just think, well, he
hasn't really had that game yet, and I think we're
going to see that Sunday.
Speaker 4: Well, that game at the end of the season last
year when Minnesota went to Detroit on a Sunday night, right,
and that was Sam Donald's like maker break game. If
he wins that game, he's probably still the quarterback of
the Vikings.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he loses out with.
Speaker 4: The injured kid McCarthy. So now so he's in Seattle
and uh yeah, he's all world.
Speaker 2: They are looking good. I mean, it's unbelievable, man, I
think they did. They have how many points in the
first quarter?
Speaker 4: There's like twenty eight different I thought it was. They
had two defensive touchdowns Trip Sacks. I thought it was twenty.
Speaker 2: Not It's like I see it come across by phone.
I'm not even turning it.
Speaker 5: Not.
Speaker 2: I don't want to see that. But the Rams look
so good the other night, and that was a battle
between the forty nine ers and the Rams. But the
Rams look look good. And man, who would have thought
Stafford all those years in Detroit you looked at him
and went yeah.
Speaker 7: And I mean he is right now if you look,
he's the MVP Odds favorite Matt Stafford, is it? So
this is a huge game for him, and it's this
could put him if he wins this game, I think
he's exactly at five hundred for his career wins and losses,
and this game will put him over five hundred Sunday
because he was on so many you wouldn't think that,
but he was on so many.
Speaker 4: Yes, crazy, I think he was the last rookie quarterback
to get a big contract before they before they added
a rookie cap. Yeah, right before the lockout, but yeah,
he was. He was the one who said that huge
deal Detroit and that nothing happened.
Speaker 2: That's a four oh five game, I assume on Foxy
Game of the Week. Uh, and it'll be a West
coast game, so if there you happen to be traveling
on the West coast, you get to see that one
at about one o'clock West Coast time.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: That's nice, that's pretty I like that. What else you.
Speaker 8: Got all the game?
Speaker 2: We're taken.
Speaker 7: We're gonna take the Jaguiars plus three at home against
the banged up Los Angeles Chargers. And this is strictly
from Yes, I know the Chargers look good Sunday night
beating the Steelers, but I think that offensive line is
just too banged up and justin Herbert has got to
get the ball quick rid so fast that he's gonna
have no time in this. And the Jags had to
melt down Sunday against the Tech since so I think
they bounced back here at home. Will take the Jags
plus three at home for that one?
Speaker 5: All right?
Speaker 8: And what do you think of that?
Speaker 2: You like that?
Speaker 4: Actually? That's that's that's an interesting bet. That's an interesting
bet because they just had the huge letdown in the
fourth quarter against Houston, so and they just beat Pittsburgh
at home, but they are banged up. Yeah, I mean
that that that is a curious bet. So I may
take that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, I like it.
Speaker 4: Now when on coming to the East Coast to who's
coming Chargers.
Speaker 7: Coast team come to the East Coast? Is that one o'clock?
Speaker 4: That is.
Speaker 8: So it's you know, essentially a ten o'clock.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not even rested up enough. I like it.
Do we lose them? I heard him get digitized?
Speaker 10: Is that what that means? Take got to bring back juice?
Hey Froze, I get in the cruggle of death. Wait
he just there there you are? There?
Speaker 8: You sorry?
Speaker 4: That your fault.
Speaker 8: I don't know what happen Sienna. The Jerry mac namara
led Sienna.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, that's what I got.
Speaker 2: He's their coach over there.
Speaker 4: Watch you might become the head coach of Syracuse.
Speaker 2: He's only across the street. Sienna's Albany, Albany, It's just
down the throughway. I was thinking of what was I
thinking of? What's the lamo?
Speaker 4: They were the same colors they do, don't they? Dolphins?
You have the green gold?
Speaker 2: Because my kid got the Lemoyne Scholarship when he was
at mccuaid and goes, I'm not going there.
Speaker 8: Good choice.
Speaker 4: It was a junior. How many dolphins.
Speaker 2: It was a big deal because it was a big
deal because you know, you get this thing. Hey, hey
he won the one who's like fifty thousand dollars to
go toward college. He was I'm not going there. And
I remember my in laws being like, what are you
talking about? And they're looking at me and I go,
that's fine, No, I didn't.
Speaker 4: I just joke. I'm joking.
Speaker 2: You have no idea.
Speaker 4: I'm sure, all right, juice?
Speaker 2: What else? What else?
Speaker 8: We got?
Speaker 7: One more game we're going to. This is gonna sound ugly,
but it's the right play. We're going to Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 2: Stop it, stop it at.
Speaker 8: Home against the Baltimore.
Speaker 4: Race stops Funny. Those divisional games are weird between those
two games.
Speaker 2: But do you think they're.
Speaker 7: Gonna cover Cleveland? Cleveland at home? That defense?
Speaker 8: Defense is different.
Speaker 2: Miles Garrett looks nasty.
Speaker 4: Do you know why they lost to the Jets because
the kick off returning a punt? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Miles, didn't you have a great game?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: He was fantastic.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, I mean you're right, that could be something
against the Ravens. I just I looked at that and
I was like, well, I'm not touching that one. But
you're saying take take the Browns to cover. Yes, okay, So.
Speaker 8: Those games are close.
Speaker 7: They always play him close, and they're gonna be some
shitty weather there. I don't think Jackson, Uh, they're gonna
he's still kind of nursing. He didn't practice today. I
think there he's still not gonna have that explosion with
his hamstring. So I think they're gonna do just enough
to live by and get to win the Ravens. So
I think they will hang around here for sure.
Speaker 2: All Right. I like it.
Speaker 11: I like it juice train than the Lock of Sunday
the Lock of the Week Skull Viking minus three at
home against the Chicago Bears.
Speaker 8: The Bears have had some lucky wins the.
Speaker 4: Last two weeks.
Speaker 7: I think it's time for some regression. They are actually
negative point differential in all their games. They've actually scored
less points than their opponents. But the games they've won,
they've won. So we're gonna take the Vikings at home
against the Chicago Bears as the lock of Week eleven.
Speaker 4: All right, I like it a ten dollars bet with
those games, yes, sir, so a ten dollars bet. You
take the Jags or plus three, the Bucks plus five
and a half, the Vikings minus three, the Checksans minus
six and a half, and the Rams minus three, and
the Chiefs minus three and a half the Browns plus
seven and a half. If you put down ten dollars
at all those games, which you could also bet individually
on Faddel, you'll win eight hundred and ninety dollars.
Speaker 3: Damn.
Speaker 2: That's a nice little Christmas punch.
Speaker 4: Yeah right, right, little Chris dinner, and then you go
to mere Bau and that have your own have your
own tab.
Speaker 8: It's a bounce back. Week. Last week was just putrid.
So we're back for sure, all right.
Speaker 2: Well, good juice. I would never say putrid at all.
I think you're doing a hell of a job. And
you know, sometimes you win some, you lose some, but
you went ten weeks with a winning record. Amen. No
one thought the Bills were losing last week. No, no,
and not even.
Speaker 7: I took him twice live when they were down thirteen
to nothing. I popped up my phone. Let me see
what the line is. The money line was plus one
oh five. So I'm like, dude, this is like the Bills.
They're only down thirteen. That's two touchdowns.
Speaker 2: They can get that map, no problem.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so we we we bit that and not not
not Sunday was bad.
Speaker 8: Sunday we got we got kicked in. That's all right though,
That is all right.
Speaker 4: Go ask him about the Giants who think is gonna
be the next head coach?
Speaker 2: Yes, Danny's been very excited about this. He has somebody mind.
Speaker 7: Two days after they do something like this, you you
hear every fucking name come out of uh come out
of everybody. Every I've heard every name except Dan Bates
from McQuaid football be the head coach I heard.
Speaker 4: He's gonna be the quality control guy. I don't know
if you heard that, so I don't know.
Speaker 7: I you don't know what to believe. I mean, you
know how badly are they searching right now?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 7: Uh, Mike McCarthy Freeman from Notre Dame, I heard that
one too. I mean, honestly, I save no clue route
they're going to go. And honestly, I don't care. I
just I just want to start winning again. I want
the Giants. The Giants have players in place, they have
their quarterback, they have young nucleus of guys. We just
need to start winning. So I don't I don't care
who it is, just make the right call.
Speaker 3: Who.
Speaker 8: I mean, the last ten years is not sustainable.
Speaker 2: What do you like?
Speaker 4: I would love save him if I was. But the
problem is he's in his seventies. He's in his seventies, right,
So like, if they, if they, Here's so. So here's
what Albert Breer threw out with Connor or today, and
this is actually kind of fascinating. Bill Belichick has always
loved the Giants, loves the merits right, but his reputations
taking a huge hit. No one wants to hand him
the Keys. So the idea this is kind of this
is just just somebody Connor or goes. I would just
quit my job at s I and just go and
sign up to cover the Giants if they made this happen,
if Belichick became the head coach, or if Saved became
the head coach and brought Belichick a long to be
his defensive coordinator, just for the heck of it. Now,
it's ridiculous. It's a pipe dream, sure.
Speaker 2: But you're talking about like I think for I'm looking
at this and I would go Nick Saban. Nick Saban
was very, very disciplined. Yes, I feel like professional guys
today aren't going to respond that well to that.
Speaker 8: Miami with that, Yeah, he didn't even last the season
in Miami.
Speaker 4: He last two years, and he had a winning record
both seasons, but just with Dante Culpepper as his quarterback.
But he treated his players like like like Coughlin used to.
Speaker 2: Yes. And then on top of that, I look at
the I look at uh Belichick in the college ranks,
and he's not doing what Saban did because you're coming
from a different thing, and I don't know he's distracted.
So but I could see either one of those guys together,
that would be hilarious front page news, right. Oh, absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 4: But I mean I think that they're probably gonna go
with Clint, somebody like Clint Kubiak. I mean, there's not
a lot of great there's.
Speaker 2: Not a lot of great coaching choices, all right, Well.
Speaker 7: Or or the Packers defensive coordinator. Right now, he's a
he's a Rutgers guy, a Jersey guy. So I think
Jeff Hafley. I mean, if I had to pick, maybe him. Uh,
But honestly, I have no clue.
Speaker 4: Did he come out of Boston College too? Okay, So
there's a lot of Boston College guys running the Giants,
So that's why they like.
Speaker 2: Half Okay, that's a good point. Uh, juice always good stuff.
We'll see how it goes.
Speaker 8: Can I address one thing before I leave?
Speaker 2: Sure?
Speaker 7: Before I came on here, Danny, did I hear this correctly?
Are you Eskimo brothers with Eddie Murphy?
Speaker 2: No? I never.
Speaker 4: I dated No, no.
Speaker 8: No, No, that's that's insane. Dated Eddie Murphy.
Speaker 4: I dated a woman. I didn't have relations, but I
dated a woman. I dated a woman means you have
no that did not happen.
Speaker 2: All right. Well, I've had relations and not dated, so
that's pretty good.
Speaker 4: But I dated a woman who dated that Murphy.
Speaker 2: It's gorgeous.
Speaker 8: She was a model for the forty.
Speaker 2: What's that? Yeah? Oh god, all right, Deuice. Always good.
We'll talk to you next week. We will take a moment.
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Speaker 4: By phone?
Speaker 2: No, he's right here. I'm looking at him.
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Speaker 2: Why don't we get right to our friend Peter because
he is, Uh, it's some fancy. I don't know where
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Speaker 2: Very good. I like it. I like it, Peter. I
can't to hear the thoughts on the Buffalo Bills. I
thought the offense looked inept. I thought Josh Allen probably
had one of his worst games ever. But at some
points you go the receiving court, nobody's getting separation, and
there's there is your problem. Josh pulled out. I mean
that one play where he went around and around and
you're it's so exciting and any connects right, and who's
the best receiver they have Dalton Kincaid Right now, I
think it is. And then afterwards and maybe I'm jumping
the gun here, but then it didn't come out. Afterwards.
I happened to be in the studio here and then
going to watch just the first half of the game
while I drank ginger, all I just want you to know, yeah,
oh yeah, I know. It's a whole new me I'm
watching and it's the local CBS affiliate does a regional
Bill's thing before CBS NFL today, Right, So they're talking
and they're talking very, very enthusiastically that Brandon Bean had
seemed to go all in on trying to get that
receiver that we need, the missing piece that was the thing,
and he seemed to go all in. And you know,
Bill's mafia, we want you. He hears you. He know
they know they're thinking the same thing you're thinking. They
really wanted it, and it was who was a Jaden Waddle? Yeah,
Jayden Wattle. So they thought this was all going to
go down and you're hearing about it, and then Waddle
seems to scorch them a few times on the field.
But from what I'm understanding, and this is where people
started going, well, then this guy needs to be fired.
Brandon Bean. They wanted a twenty twenty six first round
draft pick and he said, no, I'll give you a
twenty twenty seven. I don't know if that's true. Again,
I always say to people, I go, I wasn't in
the meeting. I don't know who knows, like somebody could be.
Speaker 5: Who leaked at and why is it leaked exactly?
Speaker 4: That's thank you, thank you, and.
Speaker 5: Why was it leaked?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: But so it gets out there, so now everybody's like, well,
you're just wasting Josh Allen. And if this is true,
why wouldn't you try to win? Right now? You're off
to a pretty decent start at six and two, and
here we go. I don't know what. I'm sure both
you and Danny have maybe seen more, read more, or
dug a little deeper into that story. I'm not sure I.
Speaker 12: Haven't dug a little deeper into that if I can
rewind for a second. Sure I watched somebody all twenty two,
not all because it's two frustrated, but I will tell
you that Josh Allen made some pretty big errors. Oh yeah,
yeah on Sunday, Yeah, was wide open and he just
overthrew him or he underthrew them.
Speaker 5: It was a sideline round was a touchdown.
Speaker 12: Now, granted it was like Miami's fourth string cornerback, but
he was still open. There was another play where Dawson,
Knox still open. Nothing in Josh Allen. Josh Allen's sightline
at all, Knox was wide open. He was the first
progression in the route. Yet he checks down to the
fourth progression in.
Speaker 5: So Johnson.
Speaker 12: I think it was Johnson Johnson, No, yeah, no, not
Ty Johnson, the other one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, even whoever was still got fifteen yards on the play.
Speaker 12: But the question is, why wouldn't you throw your first
progression that would have given you fifteen yards in the air,
not five yards in ten yards after to catch. I
don't know what happened. I mean, I'm not in the film.
I'm not in their helmet. But gracious, there's some things
that are going on right now where no one knows,
no one knows which way is up, and it's it's really,
it's really concerning. Throwing into the Tampa Bay game coming
on the heels of a great Kansas City outing, right,
they looked like that?
Speaker 2: Okay, I thought the Kansas City outing looked really good.
I got nervous at the end of the game, but
because of Kansas City. But I thought they overall looked
pretty good. I did say to Danny before I go,
I'm sure you thought they had some awful moments in
that game, but I don't know, I thought they looked
pretty good. Well they did, yeah, but.
Speaker 4: They also took the ball away three times and only
won by a touchdown at the end of that one.
I mean, so it's like Kansas City, like on autopilot,
could give the Bills at their best game, right, and
then the Bills, Oh, yeah, so we just beat the Chiefs,
so we can put it on cruise control against Miami, right,
and then Allen after the game that you know they
wanted more than us, well why, I mean, their their
general managers just got fired. There were guys that were
rumored to be traded. Other guys did get traded. Your
head coaches, like, is the Walking dead right now? They
call a time out before the game even starts to
dispute an off sides call, and yeah, so they're starting
the game with two timeouts in the first half and
they can't even they can't even get it right, could.
Speaker 3: Get right.
Speaker 5: Based upon what it's up for opinion, and it's up
for discussion.
Speaker 12: But in the press conference on the back end of
the game, when McDermott was asked, your general manager said,
you have a championship roster.
Speaker 5: Do you have a championship roster answer? I love these players.
Speaker 2: Oh that is.
Speaker 4: When the head coach starts equivocating in a press conference,
that is not an answer.
Speaker 5: It I love these players, that's it, and that's it.
Speaker 12: He stopped short, he did pontificate, he died to coach speak,
he stopped.
Speaker 5: I love these players. End of answer.
Speaker 12: So there's something going on inside when Bill's drive that
is penetrating this team's enthusiasm, their drive. I said weeks
ago after the Panthers game, intentionally watching the sideline during
the game. Forget about the game, it's forty to nine, great.
I wanted to see how they acted on the sidelin
and it gave me concern that that, and I even
talked about it here on Billified, gave me concern that week.
There's no emotional leader, there's no one walking around the sideline.
Your head coach doesn't go up to the offensive side.
Speaker 5: Of the bench.
Speaker 12: Ever's there's something that's going on within that team right
now that I don't know if they could find their
way out of.
Speaker 5: And everybody's talk about it, they're gonna make the playoffs.
I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know either.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think we're at JIMA playoffs point. Yeah, and I
said this three weeks ago.
Speaker 5: You did.
Speaker 12: We've been talking since everybody's we have been talking on
this show for weeks. We've been pointing out the deficiencies.
No one wants to listen until it happens. Right, Oh,
there it is. It's been there all year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really did. I mean it looked ugly.
Speaker 4: It looked I watched the game again last night. It
was actually worse.
Speaker 2: Why why I love it?
Speaker 5: I love it.
Speaker 4: I got I gotta be prepared to come on the show.
Speaker 3: No, I understand it. But you watched it.
Speaker 2: I mean you knew how bad it was. Yeah, I'm
sure you read plenty of articles. I know you got the.
Speaker 12: You pick up a lot more when there's and and
the second time you watch it. Yeah, but in the
middle of a being a fan, and then you watch
on the second time and you kind.
Speaker 4: Of look built. They're predictable, they're unprepared. Yeah, like Adulton
kk ran on the field. Okay, we're gonna run a
pass play everyone knows it. With Dalton Kaka trots off
the field and they bring to Jackson Haws Okay, it's
probably gonna be a run until they run that stupid
trick play. We're gonna roll about, throw it fake and
fake the fourth and one push push when the drive
before you had a fourth and one the thirty four
You're like, yeah, I don't know. Okay, first they did
do that. I wish they did too. Okay, so now
we're gonna go for it. And and they give it up.
And then Miami comes back down the field. It scores,
and Cole Bishop, who was a hero on the previous drive,
all of a sudden gets a pushing out of pushing
the kid out of bound. So that's another fifteen yards.
They get thirty yards on that plate. Next thing, you know,
the balls in the air touchdown and we make too.
It look like a freaking hero because the defensive, the
secondary is just so banked up and so injured and
so old.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 12: Yeah, and and and even when I think mis Dawkins,
he said, yeah, well they came out and based defense.
If an NFL team that's two and seventh comes out,
they're playing base defense with three linebackers and not a
Nick l corner. They're saying, we're gonna stop your run.
You can't beat us in the passing game. That's what
that tells you, And that to me is alarming when
when you have you become one dimensional with your MVP quarterbacks.
Speaker 4: What's happened to you?
Speaker 5: Are one dimensional.
Speaker 4: Kean Coleman, whether they want to admit it or not,
and McDermott kind of alluded to it, so did Allen
after the game, Like they asked mcderbott about whether or
not I think they asked him on Monday about whether
or not like he's given no this effort. He goes, oh,
he knows when I'm not happy with him? Who says
like mcderbott said this basically and then the game the
day before, after the game they asked Alan about Coleman's effort,
he goes, well, he got his one today. Another word
he got he got He had his touchdown catch. That
was it. Now there are a couple of overthrows where
he missed Coleman. But Coleman's a receiver who's on the
field more than anybody else, uh in who who's a
skill position player, tight end, running back, receiver. Okay, so
either he's miscast as an ex receiver which means Miami
only or any opponent. He has to go one on
one with him, no safety, help, nothing, Try to beat us,
try to beat us, Kia Coleman.
Speaker 5: He can't do it. Yep. So everybody else gets the cover.
Speaker 4: Nobody's open.
Speaker 5: You know who.
Speaker 12: He reminds me of Dan And I found about this
when I saw they all twenty two. He's not running
his routes at full speed. No when possibly he's not
the first progression. You know who also did that? Chris
talked about that on your old radio show back in
the day. Sammy Watkins was this, Yeah, I'm the same
thing that Sammy does.
Speaker 4: So there's tells, there's tells, there's tells. But did you
realize that, like on that interception that Alan threw in
the end zones, that James Cook wasn't on the field,
so Miami knows pass is coming. You're taking your best
player off the field on third down? Why because it
can't pass block? It's your best player. It'side from Allen.
Speaker 2: Predictable right as you said. But do we worry about
like going forward? Is Is it a McDermot issue, Is
this a Josh issue? Is it a combination of the two.
Speaker 12: Been a McDermott issue from the jump from since thirteen seconds.
This is a McDermot issue. I know that Alan has
had his frustrations, but he's also a golden retriever. He's
not that emotional savior that this team needs. And that's okay.
Speaker 5: Danny talked about a couple of weeks ago, there's two
bad guys in every teams. Everyone has one. We don't
have one.
Speaker 4: No, they're all they're all one. They're all German shepherds.
There are no bad guys. Nobody wants to be a meanie.
Nobody wants to be the jerk. Nobody wants to be
the guy. And by the way, the last guy who
was that guy couldn't the reason nobody respected stuff on
digs and lockerrooms because he couldn't hold himself accountable. He
told everybody else accountable. But then when I screw up, Oh,
it's an accident, my bad, Right, you should throw the
ball a little bit closer, Josh. That's why nobody respected him.
So then when he leaves, all thank god he's gone.
Right now, everybody eats well, yeah, but now nobody's being accountable.
Speaker 12: Right right, Well, we can't keep throwing these three yard
bubble screens. I mean come on, gosh, an offensive coordinator,
if you know what the talent is, you've got to.
Speaker 5: Create a scheme around the talent.
Speaker 12: So if you can get these guys open with different
route concepts, get them open in space, doing legal picks,
rub routes, a bunch of different things you can do.
Use your damn running back out of the backfield, mess
with the eye discipline of the defense, run a lot
of pre snap motions. It's just the consistency, or the
lack thereof, is so concerning going into Tampa. The Texans
are going to be an incredibly hard game to win.
And the Steelers pre weeks, Oh yeah, grab a.
Speaker 4: Stickers, What what were you to say? So who we
all agree is the best receiver on the team? Consensus receiver,
not tight end receiver. Uh, easily right. They did a
heat map of all his catches. They're all like behind
the line of scribbage most of us, like sixty percent
of his catches are behind the line of scribbage. The
rest are within ten yards. Like there's no slants, there's
no outs, nothing, No hey squat can't throw it will
throw your screen. You take off, and it's like that's
that stuff wasn't working they know what's coming.
Speaker 2: Everybody.
Speaker 4: The Bills are tipping off their offensive plays the way
a pitcher tips his pitches.
Speaker 2: Uh, Peter, would you like to see Brian Dabele back?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: No, one. Bill's drive is the offensive corporator. No, No,
there's been some passed him.
Speaker 5: I know this conversation, but seeing.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah.
Speaker 5: If mcdermot's a head coach, no, no chance.
Speaker 4: He's not coming back.
Speaker 5: No chance.
Speaker 4: Tyler Dunn, whom we've had on this show, went on
is written about this, and he talked about it today
on a Buffalo station and he said, he goes. Sean
McDermott and him did not get along. McDermott may have,
in fact been threatened by the fact that Davil was
so close to the Pegulas before Kim you know, yeah,
and so that he was that mcdermy have been threatened.
They didn't get along. Filing the Tampa Bay game in
twenty twenty one, where the Bills came back in the
second half and almost beat Brady in the Bucks. Yes,
the reason that they the reason that they were able
to come back was because Dabel said, screw you, Sean,
I'm running my offense and they threw the ball over
the field and almost won the freaking game, if you
remember that. Yeah, and so that they had a disconnect.
They stopped like they'd even like talk for a while.
And the story was that even if the job wasn't
the Giants job wasn't on the table, David was gonna leaves.
He's not coming back this year. We know that he's
not coming back this year.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 4: Could he be rehired next year? Maybe? I doubt it,
though I really doubt it.
Speaker 12: I don't know if it was someone and Bell. Someone
has to get Na's ear. I don't know who that
might be, but I will tell you I'm a very
good source. It's ironclad, it's concrete. Paulian did meet Bill Paullian,
former GM of the Bills, GM of the Cold Super
Bowl champion, Hall of Famer, lives in Charlotte. Met with
Terry Pagula and Brandon Mean at the Panthers game. It
wasn't just a hey, stop by the suite for some snacks.
This was a sit down.
Speaker 5: But I don't know what the result of that meeting
was or the tenor of that conversation.
Speaker 12: I just know that it happened, and Bill Paullien does
a lot of consulting for a lot of teams throughout
the NFL. He's the reason why Ryan Poles is the
GM of the Bears. He made sure that the Bears
wouldn't let him leave the facility when he came to interview.
Speaker 5: So he has the year of a lot of people.
His credibility is so high in this league. I hope
that was a reach out by Pagoula to say where
do we go from here?
Speaker 4: Yeah, because Terry doesn't really know anybody else. No, No,
he doesn't like his Only other guy that he knows
is Pete Welly, who the grab from the Giants. He's
the new Russ Brandon. Yeah, do you want to go
that route again?
Speaker 2: The Russ Brandon?
Speaker 4: But Pete?
Speaker 2: I know Pete.
Speaker 4: No, I know Pete too, But I mean, but he's
not a football guy.
Speaker 2: It was just sport. He did sports radio back.
Speaker 4: Yes, okay, yeah, suld I make the decisions with the
Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 2: Absolutely not. He would lose your mind.
Speaker 4: Greg broke down in the corner, and then he'd be
like Peter and Greg Connors could get that franchise fixed.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'll say Peter and Greg Connors. But you will
be I think your head would explode. I think you
you'll be reaching just to sniffing Josh's jock just to
get I know I'm teasing, but I'm just saying, like,
you get so like worked up, like I'm on medication. Okay,
it's not working.
Speaker 4: It's not.
Speaker 2: Not for that gig. Not for that gig. They better
up it. I'm saying, Yes, I think you guys have
great ideas, but I I don't know, buddy.
Speaker 12: And that's the thing that Bill I think they they
and one Bill's drive especially Bean continuously condescends to the
fan base. Hey guys, this isn't fantasy football. Hey guys, way,
we know what fantasy football is. We know what your
role is.
Speaker 5: Stop talking down on Yeah, well now fantasy football.
Speaker 4: But now that radio show is getting national attention for
being right about that in April. And by the way,
like the ESPN and others are all over this gone
viral where like Brandon be went on their show and
criticized he did it himself. He volunteered it. They didn't
go after him. He went after them, right. And but
by the way, Peter and I have said this for
a couple of years on this podcast that they need
more receivers that they haven't done it, like, because the
real the decision maker that franchise is Sean mcderbott's not
Brandon Bean. It's Sean McDermott. Sean mcdermot's the decision maker.
Brandon Bean setting the table and pulling the tab, but
he's doing exactly what Sean McDermott wants. That's why you
have defensive player, defensive player, defensive player. And they reach.
They it's not just that they miss in the draft.
They trade up to miss.
Speaker 2: How bad is that?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 4: But I don't know, trade up for kyr Elan, traded
up for Cody.
Speaker 2: Ford, right, Bookie Bat would be somebody, Hey, look who's
the cornerback that's a rookie this year that was injured?
Speaker 4: Oh, Max Harriston.
Speaker 2: Harriston looks great. Yeah, he's really good.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying they're always wrong, but I'm saying, like
twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four, their drafts have
looked kind of And then so what happens is Bill,
once you once you start missing a lot, then you
got to sign the guys that you have to these
long term contracts and on a second contract. Most of
these guys after a year or two fall off the
face of the earth. But you still owed all that money.
Speaker 5: Good environment right now, every environment, everybody in the time turnaround. Yeah.
Still it's still festers, something festering within this team. I
don't know what it is.
Speaker 12: It's a lot of different things, I think, and I
don't think it's gonna be correctable.
Speaker 5: Like I said, I'm gonna say it again, this is
not a super Bowl roster. I said it before it
was asked to being last week. This is not a
championship roster period.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And anybody in that defense right now, as I said,
one is right now either injured, hurt or uninjured.
Speaker 2: Resorts right, Jesus, I got it. You said it the
first week.
Speaker 4: I want I want people to know we know what
we're talking about here.
Speaker 2: I know you do you do, and I love giving
you a hard time, but I wouldn't like, do you
think I'm gonna let people come on here who don't
know what they're talking about. I mean, maybe you're well
not man like Peter stuff. Peter Jews does a great job.
Juice is good what he does. Yes, I think Juice
does a great job. I honestly, and I'm not even
like a betting I'm not as deep as you guys.
That's why I said I'm not as deep a fan.
I'm a fan. I can get it all the wrong.
But I get such a kick out of you going
back and watching the game again, because I go, God,
I got like ninety nine things I'd rather do. Watching
the Bills game again is not one bitch whata no,
but the fact that you exactly the fact that you did.
Speaker 4: Okay, I gotta go back and watch the Tampa doing
the game.
Speaker 5: We're gonna watch last year's they won.
Speaker 4: They won three. They had three plays. Do we had
three plays that beat Tampa?
Speaker 2: Peter, Do we worry terribly about New England?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, just stop everybody. The division's over.
Speaker 4: Yeah over, that's a division over. But there's still a
cap jail. Imagine what's gonna happen at the end of
the season when they're out of cap jail. Yeah?
Speaker 2: But who who?
Speaker 4: The Patriots?
Speaker 2: Patriots? But I always feel like the cap is like
this you know sort of thing. It's like this mythilosophy math, Yeah,
the fuzzy math. I don't know. It's like people who
believe in God.
Speaker 3: Maybe he's there.
Speaker 2: I'm teasing I did that just for dating. I'm just
saying like, but honestly, like, well, we know, we know
that the cap is there, but it always seems like
the guys can manipulate.
Speaker 4: That to their favorite if they need to, right lit, No,
it's not. It's not a myth.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think it's a myth. But it's And
I can see why they would think it's a myth. Right,
we don't know that. I don't think most people understand
the inner workings of all that, but they seem to
manipul that. A Peter froze and his face is so
funny in the Frozen he was like starting to laugh
or something. Uh, all right, we'll uh. I don't know
that I'm gonna get him back.
Speaker 4: See is the wheel spinning?
Speaker 2: Uh No, he's just frozen.
Speaker 4: Is he just frozen?
Speaker 2: No? But that was great. He was from a live place,
an event in Charlotte.
Speaker 5: So there's that on.
Speaker 4: Location, on location, see twenty years ago, you need like
via satellite to do that.
Speaker 2: Is it so strange? Like this is the thing that
I often wonder about too, is uh, how fast all
this technology has come about and how cool it is,
you know, and I and I would always say, because
my uncle said that the world is designed by genius
to be run by idiots. My races say though, and
it is funny, right, because I would always go, what's
the number one thing that's happening nowadays?
Speaker 3: Porn?
Speaker 2: What's ruining marriages?
Speaker 3: Porn?
Speaker 2: Why are we not gonna have another great guitars?
Speaker 3: Porn?
Speaker 2: Because it's all right at the tip of our fingers.
But this was designed by genius. Is you now have
a device? You should never walk around and go who
was that guy that did that? That thing that you
got every answer ever if we only had a device, right,
we do. But I will say I do worry about
the constant barrage of information and that it comes at
you so fast that I do wonder about the our
mental capacity. I'm not gonna say mental health, as much
as just our mental capacity to hold it all, which
then would lead to a mental health issue potentially, And
we are seeing results of that. But I, I don't know,
it's just so fast. There's so much information out there, Yeah,
you know, like I mean, I can get most of
it's false, I can get every well, uh, yeah, what
did I say the other day because my kid came
out and said something to me, and I said, you
got to take that stuff with a grain of salt,
because you have to stop and think, would that person
really say that or do that? I think there was
even ones again, and I always worry about, like, you
know people, you always defended President Trump. Something came about
Trump and I go, there's no way that he did that, right,
he didn't.
Speaker 4: Well, well, that that phrase goes, if I were ever
to run for president from the nineties. Yeah, if I
were ever, if I would have ever run for president,
I would run as a Republican because their voters are
so stupid. Yeah, he never said that. It was a
meme that went around in twenty He never said it.
Speaker 2: Well, it never happened. But this was one where he
was quoted as I forget what it was now, it
was just recent and I went, for some reason, I'm
not buying that he would say that it certainly fit
the character of him in terms of the stuff, but
I don't think.
Speaker 4: Well, the story came out yesterday. Eli Lilly's CEO came
out and with the Army it's a huge medical drug company, right,
and they asked him. He goes, do you do you
use AI? And he goes, well, we've had to be
careful with AI because a lot of AI is false information,
and he goes, We've had to run things through in
double check and triple check found that, like, the only
ones that are really accurate are clawed Yeah, and XAI
or crock. You know that the rest of them, really,
like are are either geared.
Speaker 2: A certain what they're doing with I don't know they're
doing it. I don't know the specific because what the
most thing that I'll do with something is I always
write everything in my voice, and if I go, I know,
I just need to turn that phrase better. I'll go,
keep my voice, polish this up. It's all my thoughts.
Just make it a little bit better, and it can
turn that pretty quick. But I'll only do that to
a paragraph or so sometimes. Uh so, I don't I'm
not familiar enough with like people are having to build
apps for them, and people are having.
Speaker 4: To build yeah, yeah, assistance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all right there, it's all right there. Well,
anything else happened in Danny's world? Has been been a
week here that we haven't seen it.
Speaker 4: Good, I'm blessed.
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't mean to laugh at that. That was
terrible that I even chortled. I I know, nothing's good good,
I'm ver. Yeah, everything's fine, right, everything's really we're rocking
and rolling. Man, you're good making it all happen. Yeah.
Actually I should tell you something that we're done here.
Speaker 4: You're not pregnant, are you?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: No, no no no no no no no.
Speaker 4: Because you know, like the technology is moving fast. I
will want to make sure it's okay.
Speaker 2: Technology is moving fast. But yes, I will tell you
what we're what we're doing with the podcast. All good stuff, cool,
all good stuff, all good stuff. So I want to
rattle any feathers. But there will be uh more to
come on all that stuff we're looking forward to in
the near future.
Speaker 4: I love coming here, I love doing this. I appreciate
it well.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you, Dan Brillon, and I love when your
head gets on. Just love it.
Speaker 4: I know, my wife, because you don't really get mad
over football. You just act like it to be funny.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think if you were actually in
that front office, I think there would be like that's
a good role. I think you wouldn't sleep. I think
you wouldn't sleep. I think you'd be there. We'd find you,
like with your Fitbit going off at four am.
Speaker 4: Our owner an A fib.
Speaker 2: For Dan Barillo, for Juice Fields, Juice Fields for Peter Montemerno.
I'm Bill Moran. We'll see you next week.
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