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in paranormal talk radio in the UK and around the world.

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Hi everybody, Welcome to trans Dimensional Realities, where we talk

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about everything strange and unusual that happens in the world

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all around us. I'm your host, Melissa Lee, and this

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is our fifth episode. I highly recommend if you haven't

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shows as well. I'm really excited to talk to my

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guests today because I've known her for almost twenty years

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and she has worked with me on several cases over

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the years of my paranormal investigations and we've become very

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good friends, and I asked her to come on the

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show to talk about herself what she does as a

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psychic medium. So I want to welcome Patty Lehman to

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the program. Hi Patty, how are you.

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Speaker 2: How are you doing?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing well, Thank you, Thanks for coming on I've

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been wanting to do an interview with you for a

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while since we've worked together for so long on many

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different things, and just give you a chance to let

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people get to know who.

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Speaker 3: You are and what you do.

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Speaker 1: So if you could just start off, just tell us

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a bit about your background. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So, I've been doing this work for close to thirty

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years now professionally, and it all started out in you know,

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it was in the nineties and I was actually going

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through a depression at the time, going through a lot

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of stuff, going through a divorce, things like that, which

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I find a lot of people tend to start looking

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for their spiritual selves in these times, you know, in

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the darker times or the shadow times as we call them.

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And my aunt, weirdly enough, I never knew, was an astrologer,

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and she had said to me, why don't you go

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to this place in Wayne called the Journey Within? This

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woman at Jena and Nohavok, God rest her soul. You know,

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she's was a reverend and blah blah blah. So I

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went to the church and I just you know, I

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felt like I finally found a place where I belonged,

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you know, So I decided to take a class with her,

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and I took a psychic development class and she was

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like impressed with me and said, why don't you take

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the mediumship class? So I was like, well, you know,

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and at the time, I was like, okay, so this

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this person's just promoting their stuff. You know, I didn't

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know her at the time. I didn't realize how ethical

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she was and everything. And so I did that. I

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took the class and did really well, and she right

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away she was like, you know, will you please, you know,

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join my church with me and you know, do all

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the stuff. She was in the very beginning stages of

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the journey within at the time, and I did. And

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I was like a very shy person. I you know,

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I really wasn't somebody that would speak in public or whatever.

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And then I started doing my work there and I

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just kind of honed in my skills. I didn't know

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I was a medium. I didn't realize honestly, Like as

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a child, I've always had this gift, so you know,

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you don't always know like what's happening. I was the

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only one in my family that had it to that degree.

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People not to that degree. So that's basically how I

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started my whole business. And I was with the Journey

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my business got so busy, and I have my kids,

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you know, I have my sons. So it was just

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like so busy that I ended up kind of stepping

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away from that for a while and just like joining

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here and there. But yeah, that's basically how I got started.

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Speaker 1: Now, I've been to the Journey Within, I've been to

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the church there. When did Janet? When did she pass?

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Speaker 2: She just passed in It was like two years ago, I.

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Speaker 1: Believe, okay, because I remember meeting her.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, an amazing woman. God rest her. So I mean,

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what a loss. You know, the church is still going,

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they're still doing everything, but yeah, she was the heart

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of it, you know. And then, you know, that was

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a pretty interesting thing too, because we had gone through

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a lot, right, spirituality and things like this. We're not

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all the rage the way that they are now, so

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back then it was like, you know, you were dealing

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with people calling you all kinds of names and you know,

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all that kind of stuff, and we had to fight

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through the town of Pompton Lakes. They didn't want to

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give us a space, and you know, it was crazy,

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and she would like get very upset and then she

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would say, you know what, it's all going to work out.

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I need to stay positive and just think think about

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what I want. You know, the universe doesn't always know

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the difference between what you want and what you fear.

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So she did that. And she used to always say

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I'm going to have a little because at that time

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bakery and Pompton Lakes and we did the services at

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the wise Man bookstore that was there back then, and

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always say, I see a little chapel like a little

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church for myself. And don't you know, like I don't

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know how many years into it was, it had to

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be like at least ten years into our work that

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this woman actually donated the VFW I think it was

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a VFW in Pompton Lakes on car Street and gave

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it to her. She passed away and she donated that

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to her, so she turned it into little white chapel

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that she always wanted. So she manifested herds.

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Speaker 1: You know that's fantastic. Yeah, yeah, I've attended there a

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few times over the years. Yeah, I took a mediumship

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class there as well. That was a long time ago,

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but yeah, I had good energy, really good energy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they really do, and so you know, I'm happy

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to say that I'm one of you know, very few

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people that have actually taken those classes, like you know,

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and worked. I worked side by side with Janet from

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the beginning, and the ethics are just what's so important

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to me, you know, being an ethical reader, being somebody

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who you know, cares about your clients and you're not

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just popping up on the side of the street like oh,

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I'm a psychic, you know, Like I did my time,

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and I've learned how to behave with people, how to

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get my words out, how to approach things. You know,

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there's a psychological component to it, you know. So yeah,

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it's it's been a really fun journey for me. I

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love it awesome. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, we met again about twenty years ago when I

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was doing the beginning of my paranormal research and we

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had a couple of cases that you came on. Yeh.

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The one was where we first really worked with you,

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and I was impressed with you because you nailed something

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that nobody knew about was that remember that store and

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andover that tile and stone.

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Speaker 2: Oh I did? I do remember that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because they they had they were seeing a ghost

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of a little girl and they just started calling her Sally.

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I never told you that, No, And when you were

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walking through you picked up on you seeing a little girl.

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I'm getting it as I think it's like Sally or something,

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and it's like bingo.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember that. I do remember that because I

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remember at the end they were like, oh my god,

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we call her Sally, you know, like really funny like,

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and you wonder like, is her name Sally like literally

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or did she just know that that's what her name was? Now,

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you know, that's a very good question.

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Speaker 1: You never know. People get a ghost or spirit in

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their house or wherever business and they start calling you

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a name. Are they sensing the spirit's former name or

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does the spirit just go along with whatever they're calling them?

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Speaker 2: Right, it's true. And you know either way, if you're

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picking up that energy from the spirit, you know that

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the spirit is aware of what's happening in the environment.

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So it's really it's such a fun, cool job. I

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love what I do so and you know, I love

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it because I'm helping people every day, you know. I

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love that I can give and stories of my own,

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you know, like I have a story. When my dad

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passed away, I was just I was with him the

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entire time. I stayed with him in the hospital. I

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slept there and everything. My dad was very afraid of death.

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what do you want when you die? You know, my

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mom wanted to be cremated, and he would say, no,

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I'm not going to die. And we'd be like, well, hypothetically,

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just say you do someday, you know, and he wouldn't

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talk about it. So he was very afraid of death

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and he had a lot of experiences. He was in

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a drug induced coma for a little while because he

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was sepsis. He had sepsis, and when he came out

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of it, he told us about three spinning vortexes. We

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told me that there were three spinning vortexes that he

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could go through, and he was like there was somebody

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in each one of those vortexes with like going like this.

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he was like, oh, I knew what they wanted. I'm like, well,

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were you afraid? He's like no. I'm like, were they nice?

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He was like yeah. I'm like, well, why didn't you go?

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He's like, because I knew what they wanted. So he

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was basically saying that he could choose which tunnel he

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wanted to go down. I guess, but none of it

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was scary to him, so it didn't sound like the

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heaven Purgatory hell story. It was more like which direction

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did he want to go in? And he was like

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none because he didn't want to pass away. So that

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was a pretty cool story. Hyperspace later and I wish

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I had the card in front of me that I'm

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doing card readings, and there was a dream deck that

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my friend gave me, and I open up the deck

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and it was so wild because there's like these three

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spinning vortex is in it, and you can see this

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picture of this person that is it looks like half

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male half female, looks just like me and my dad,

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and it's like a whole light in front of them.

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It's very wild. Never noticed it before. I was like, whoa,

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what is that? You know, some kind of past life

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stuff there. So it's pretty interesting.

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Speaker 1: That's why I love this because there were, you know,

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the synchronicities coming into play is fascinating. It's all part

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of this the weird things that happen in our reality

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every day, and a lot of people don't pick up

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on it, but it's there, and this is why I

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love talking about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is. It's like you know, and people

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will say things like my mom was always very skeptical.

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talk about it, but he was more into like the

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macabre like I was, and like scary movies and like

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anything to do with like you know, Twilight Zone stuff,

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he he had that.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: My mom was whatever. She was like, Noah, none of

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this makes sense. And I remember doing a radio show

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and Harvey and like because she would say to me

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she lost her son, you know, she lost a baby stillborn.

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She lost my brother to suicide. So she was like

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and her dad was her love, and she was like,

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why wouldn't you know if this is real? Why aren't

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they coming to me? And I'd be like, I don't know,

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you're having a visit and you don't recognize it, you know?

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was listening from home, and when I came home, she

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was like teared up and she was like, how do

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you do that? And I'm like, I don't know, I

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Speaker 1: It's like a muscle, you know, the more you use it,

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the more it works out, it gets bigger.

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Speaker 2: And it's true. It's really true because I've noticed that

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yourself ready for that amount of spirit activity. Like I

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do spirit activity every day, so they come through in

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readings and that's fine, but to sit with the spirit

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world for a good hour or two hours through a

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gallery style event, you kind of really got to like

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work yourself into that. It's the same thing with the

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psychic stuff too, because if you get too caught up

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in the material world and you're worried about money and

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you're worried about survivor and you're worried about all these

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different things. We separate ourselves from that inner knowing that

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it's all happening for a reason. It's okay, We're going

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to be okay. And I tell people all the time,

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you think about people that are ninety ninety five, one

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hundred and how many things they went through in their

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lives where they're like, oh my god, what if this?

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What if that? And some of those things actually happened,

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but they're still here and they made it through.

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Speaker 1: You know, I know that all too well.

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Speaker 2: Yes you do, Yes you do. Yeah, it's hard.

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Speaker 1: Well, would you classify yourself or the information that you

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get as like clairvoyant, Claire audience, Claire sentient? I mean,

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do you just get a knowing? Do you actually hear

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things being downloaded? I mean, how do you get your information?

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Speaker 2: So all of those ways. I was doing a reading

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the other day and I said to the girl, I

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actually her mom showed me cherry blossoms, and I said,

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she's putting cherry blossoms in my face, like a tree

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with cherry blossoms, I said, And I'm smelling peppermint for

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some reason. So I don't know if this is something

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that was happening, you know, at that time or whatever.

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out at me, and like she's also mentioning Edward, and

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all of those things made sense. She showed me a

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plate with all the cherry blossoms that her daughter had

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just made three weeks earlier. That was in her kitchen,

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you know. The flag that showed me in the chair

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was right in her house. Like and but I was

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smelling the peppermint and I heard the name Edward. Her

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uncle just died a few weeks ago. His name was Edward.

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Her mom was the only one and her aunt that

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called him Edward. Everybody else called him Eddie. So it

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was just it's everything, like it could just be like

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coming at me in all the different ways. So I

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have all of it. I smell, I hear, I see,

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and I do get downloads and I get downloads. This

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is another interesting thing that you know when you start

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out like for people, because I wrote a book on

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like psychic standards, I'll show it to you on how

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to find or be an ethical reader. And it's basically

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because the ethics are so important to me. But one

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of the things is being able to you know, make

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sure that what was I totally lost my train of

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thought of what we were just talking about.

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Speaker 1: Uh, you were you were talking about how you connect

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and yeah.

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Speaker 2: And I was going to say something that the book

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took me to and it wasn't about the the about.

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Speaker 1: How you receive information you were.

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Speaker 2: Reading Steve it and it'll come back to me, but

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in general, like how sometimes when you start out, That's

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what I was going to say, sometimes when you start out,

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you're looking to other teachers to teach you, like you're

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looking for people to tell you, like what you're seeing

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means this, or you know what you're hearing whatever, and

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and and you know, we read the books like The

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Conversations with God or all the things where someone else downloaded.

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And then I started to realize that I was downloading,

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like I was downloading a lot of information that maybe

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somebody else didn't get. But that doesn't make it wrong.

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I'm the next person getting the downloads to teach the person.

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So I think anybody that's doing this kind of work too,

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you want to pay attention to information that you get

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that's like stuff for the future, you know, So I do,

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and I call those downloads I just get like all

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of a sudden, I'll be like or like even with

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a client, like I'll get it download. And this is

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interesting because I don't know where this comes from, if

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it's coming from another energy force, it doesn't feel like

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it's spirit necessarily I get downloads that I kind of

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I know it's off topic a little, but it's like

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almost like an like an alien like it's coming from

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some other dimension or some other life form. Let's put

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it that way, some other knowing.

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Speaker 1: Do you think some of it could be coming from

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your higher self?

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Speaker 2: Sometimes? But sometimes I feel like it's it's a different energy.

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It feels like because I can kind of differentiate between

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when my higher self I think, let's put it this way.

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I do think it's higher self, but I think there's

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a connection or a link to something else that fees

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that information. Whether it's like the Acashak records can speak

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for themselves, or if someone's there with them or whatever

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it is. It's like, it's yes, I feel to some

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degree it's my higher self, but someone's plopping it in

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or pushing a button to remind me. It's hard to

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explain it. It's not just like when I do higher

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self work and I'm working with inner child or I'm

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going higher into you know, a past life. For myself,

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it's different, it's a different energy. And that's all the

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different energies that you can feel when you're doing the work.

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You know, it's wild.

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Speaker 1: Well, the downloaded information what I was going to tell

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for some people to realize if they're looking for signs,

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if they're looking.

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Speaker 3: For to pay attention to what your thoughts are.

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Speaker 1: If something pops in your head, don't just dismiss it

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out of hand, think about it. If you're with someone,

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if you feel like the information is for them, you

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can give that to them.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, you have.

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Speaker 1: To kind of train yourself to pay attention because you know,

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I have a busy brain. My brain goes all over

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the place and sometimes I have to sort through what

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I feel at times. But every now and then there'll

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be a download and I like sit back and go, WHOA, Yeah,

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I was not expecting.

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Speaker 2: That, And that's what happens. It's like out of nowhere

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and when we still ourselves right, Meditation is key. I'm

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also a certified hypnotherapist. I went to school for that

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around the same time I was starting my journey with

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everything and That is the most important thing, if you

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ask me, getting into meditative states, sitting in nature, you know,

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getting close to nature. You know, you think about animals

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and how like they sense things and they know things,

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and you know, you see a cat staring up at

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the you know, the corner of the wall or something.

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They see things, they know things. If we were more

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quiet in our minds, I think more people would see

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and feel and know and have better judgment for themselves, right.

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I Mean we talk about psychic mediumship and working for

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others as I do for a living, but it's so

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important to have your own intuition and to be able

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to like get inside yourself and know what's best for you,

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because really no one knows what's best for you but you,

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I mean you know better than anybody. You have all

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of that information ready to download at any moment, you know.

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But when we're so busy in this material world, it

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makes it tough. So yeah, definitely pay attention, pay attention.

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Speaker 1: You know with meditation, Like for someone like me. Again,

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it's hard when I have busy brain to quiet my

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mind and be able to get into a meditative state.

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But yes, that's the thing is when people don't realize

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we're condition from a very early age that this is

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what what's real, this is what you believe. I remember

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growing up and I had things happening. I would hear

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my name being called and it sounded like my mother.

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I'd go in the other room, I go, what do

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you want because I didn't call you? Yeah, and I well,

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I I heard you call me, And she goes, oh,

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you're just hearing things or it's just your imagination.

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Speaker 2: I heard.

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Speaker 1: I heard those two sentences so often.

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Speaker 2: Correct, I'm sure you did, because we all do.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: It's like, no, that's not really happening. I would say

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to my mom, I hear aunt so and so. We

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call them zizzy In Italian, I'd say, i'd hear dizzy

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and whoever upstairs again, they're not upstairs. There were people

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that passed away. I would hear them and they would

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like laugh and they'd be like, I'm like, I'm having

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a party again. That's what I should say, They're having

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a party again. Because I would just hear all this scattered,

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you know, information coming in and I sometimes couldn't even

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understand what they were saying. It was like being in

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a party and just hearing all the distant chatter around you,

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you know, and you know, Look, I've said I wanted

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to write a book even about like between, like the

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line between like being psychic schizophrenic, Like what's what is

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there such a thing as schizophrenic? Is it all spirit?

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What is it? But either way, if you're doing this work,

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you need to stay in the light. You need to

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stay positive. You shouldn't be doing this work when you're sick.

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You don't want to do this kind of work when

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you're feeling like, you know, very anxious or negative thoughts

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or anything that you want to stay away from that

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and keep yourself in a higher space, high vibration, so

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that you know what you're attracting. You know, you shouldn't

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have fear doing this. You're having fear, you probably shouldn't

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do it. Not saying you shouldn't have fear of your ability.

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Some people are the best mediums because they're so concerned

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with getting the right information. But being afraid of what

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you're drawing in or being afraid of this type of work,

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don't do it because you want to stay in the

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light and you want to make sure that the thoughts

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are pure, you know, and if you have thoughts that

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come in that are and you want to get that.

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I always tell people all about checking yourself out with

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a doctor too. You know, I've been under doctor's care

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forever for different things. My family suffers with anxiety. You know,

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I have nothing like schizophrenia, but I've had doctors all

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my life, so I know that. You know, it's not

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an issue. But just tell people, especially with kids like

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you know, make sure you know what they're you know,

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not saying there's anything wrong, because there's probably not, but

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it's always good to watch and not assume one way

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or the other, not to assume there's mental illness, and

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not to assume that it's all psychic mediumship. There's and

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there's a fine line that we don't I mean, really,

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how much do we know about all of it? You know,

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there's so much we just don't know about the mind,

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which is.

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Speaker 1: About the mind, about our reality, what comes in and

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out of what we think of as reality. That's why

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I'm doing this show, is to talk about what we

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think of as reality and what's really going on.

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Speaker 3: That we will turn a blind eye to.

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Speaker 1: And there's so many people out there that poo poop,

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you know, psychics or people people getting downloads or picking

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up on information. They just don't want to hear it, right.

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Speaker 3: So, yeah, it's.

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Speaker 1: One thing I wanted to bring up. You're talking about

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being positive.

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Speaker 3: When you're getting into.

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Speaker 1: This work, but sometimes there is some things out there

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that can be less than positive. Sure, and wondering if

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you could talk a little bit about that and if

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any experiences you.

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Speaker 2: Might have had so I for me, I find having

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a very strong boundary as you would have with anyone.

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You know, you don't want spirit coming into your bed

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at night waking you up because you have to work.

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You still have your physical body here, so if you're

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working with spirit, you still need to stay human. Right,

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So if your neighbor walked into your house at midnight

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and was keeping you awake, you would throw them out.

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So I think when there's there there are some things

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like that. But if you keep your vibration high, you're

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less likely to be attracting the lower vibration. It's kind

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of like we have to help people understand. We have

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to put it into our dimension in our world. If

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you are walking through a mall and you're a young

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woman and you're friendly and you're approachable, or you're vulnerable,

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looking you are more likely to be a victim of someone.

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Same thing with the spirit world. If you're coming across

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strong like here's the work I do, do not come

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near me, you know, and you kind of have that presence,

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you have a lot less chance of having to encounter. Now,

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not saying like, because if I do power normal work,

475
00:24:39,559 --> 00:24:42,960
obviously I'm in a realm where I'm open to whatever's there.

476
00:24:43,319 --> 00:24:46,960
But my boundary is what keeps them from actually being

477
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,720
able to affect my life and my energy. So you

478
00:24:50,599 --> 00:24:53,759
but when you are in a depressed state and a

479
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,039
very anxious thing. And I'm not saying on and off

480
00:24:56,079 --> 00:24:58,000
we all have that, I'm saying, if you're really in

481
00:24:58,039 --> 00:25:00,599
a dark space, that's not a good time to be

482
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,119
opening yourself up to this kind of work. You want

483
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:07,240
to get yourself cleared out, work on you psychologically, spiritually,

484
00:25:07,279 --> 00:25:10,559
get your vibration up, and then work with it. So, yeah,

485
00:25:10,559 --> 00:25:12,640
we're going to encounter things, you know, There's always going

486
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:17,599
to be that. And I've had some experiences where I

487
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,839
had a woman that passed away and this wasn't even

488
00:25:20,839 --> 00:25:22,920
a negative entity or anything. It was just someone that

489
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,079
passed away and I felt her more than saw her.

490
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,799
And I was doing like a group at the time,

491
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,559
and she had drowned, and then I was in I

492
00:25:31,599 --> 00:25:33,640
came home and I did a cleansing bath and I

493
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,079
closed my eyes and I was relaxing, and as I

494
00:25:36,079 --> 00:25:38,799
started to meditate, her face just jumped in front of me,

495
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,279
and it was it was not a pretty sight, you know.

496
00:25:41,839 --> 00:25:45,359
So I was like, whoa, Okay, I'm like, okay, you know,

497
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,640
let's not I need to let you go, you know whatever,

498
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,720
which is part of why I do the cleansing, so

499
00:25:50,759 --> 00:25:53,839
that if anything's still there, I can release it. But

500
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,680
a negative energy. I'm trying to think if I've had

501
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,480
any kind of huh, you know, I'm sure I have,

502
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,160
but because I don't really give it energy, I'm not

503
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,200
really thinking about it at the moment because that's my

504
00:26:08,279 --> 00:26:10,839
whole thing. I just don't give it energy. So even

505
00:26:10,839 --> 00:26:12,720
if it happened, it's like, Okay, that happened, and now

506
00:26:12,759 --> 00:26:14,759
I've gotten rid of you. You're gone, and I'm done.

507
00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:17,359
But I know I've had some little things here and

508
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,200
there are just not that much because I've such a

509
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,319
strong boundary about how I'm going to allow anything into

510
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:23,400
my energy.

511
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 1: You know, And the investigations I've done. I haven't ever

512
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,119
come across anything so dark that I don't like the

513
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:33,640
word demon or demonic.

514
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:35,319
Speaker 2: I dam, I don't use it.

515
00:26:35,799 --> 00:26:42,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a yeah, it's more complex than that. But

516
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:46,079
there are there are some entities or even human spirits

517
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:51,039
who maybe a human spirit hasn't passed over, maybe they

518
00:26:51,039 --> 00:26:54,799
weren't the most pleasant person in life right and while

519
00:26:54,799 --> 00:26:57,319
they're sticking around after they've died, there's still not the

520
00:26:57,319 --> 00:27:00,599
most pleasant person. I've walked into a couple of homes

521
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,160
where all of a sudden I was feeling oppressed. I

522
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,079
was feeling my heart started pounding. It was almost felt

523
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,079
like a pennic attack, and it took me a minute

524
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,720
to realize that the spirit didn't like me for some

525
00:27:12,759 --> 00:27:15,279
reason out of everybody else there, and was trying to

526
00:27:15,279 --> 00:27:18,759
get me to leave. The very first time it happened,

527
00:27:18,759 --> 00:27:22,200
I had to walk outside gathering my thoughts. When I

528
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,759
walked back inside, it started again, but I kind of

529
00:27:25,839 --> 00:27:27,640
knew what I was up against, and I was able

530
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,519
to pretty much mentally say back off, I'm not going anywhere,

531
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,559
and continue the rest of the investigation.

532
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 2: That's the kind of boundary you want to have, because

533
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,279
you are going to deal with that, especially when we

534
00:27:39,319 --> 00:27:41,720
do the paranormal work. And I do remember, as we're

535
00:27:41,759 --> 00:27:44,000
talking about this, I did an event with you at

536
00:27:44,039 --> 00:27:48,400
a house and in that space, I remember as I

537
00:27:48,519 --> 00:27:52,799
was feeling the spirit in the corner of a bedroom,

538
00:27:53,319 --> 00:27:55,880
I think it was one of the detectors went off.

539
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,119
I think it was the heat and cold sensor or

540
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:03,039
whatever that area. And then as it came, I said,

541
00:28:03,039 --> 00:28:05,720
I feel it leaving, and it like pushed me back.

542
00:28:05,759 --> 00:28:08,119
And I've never had that happen before, but it like

543
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,200
pushed me back a bit, like physically forced me back

544
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,400
against the dresser a little bit as it left. And

545
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,839
then and the meter had also dropped off at the

546
00:28:16,839 --> 00:28:19,200
same time, it like, you know, so I we do

547
00:28:19,319 --> 00:28:22,720
remember that feeling like whoa, that was like not pleasant,

548
00:28:22,759 --> 00:28:25,240
and I think I was getting the sensation of being

549
00:28:25,279 --> 00:28:27,599
pushed down the stairs and it ended up that that

550
00:28:27,839 --> 00:28:29,960
was one of the issues I think they were having

551
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,279
in that house. So I had you know, I have

552
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,599
had some some stuff like that, but I think I don't.

553
00:28:37,319 --> 00:28:40,160
It's like I said, I keep myself in a higher vibration,

554
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,960
so those things happen, you know, in psychic work. This

555
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,279
is one of the things that scares people about psychic

556
00:28:47,319 --> 00:28:50,119
work is that we do usually have a tendency to

557
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,559
think about the negatives. It's how life is, you know,

558
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,319
our fears are strong, so we have a tendency a

559
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,440
lot of times to remember the things that happened that

560
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,079
we predicted a death, or we predicted you know, where

561
00:29:01,079 --> 00:29:02,480
we dreamt this was going to happen, and then we

562
00:29:02,519 --> 00:29:04,200
saw it, and it's like, oh my god, I don't

563
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,440
want this. You know. Some people would even blame the

564
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,960
psychics for it and say, like, well, they said this

565
00:29:10,119 --> 00:29:12,119
was going to happen, and then it happened. It's like, no,

566
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,200
you're you're just seeing what's about to happen. So people

567
00:29:15,279 --> 00:29:18,079
get afraid to actually delve in because they don't want

568
00:29:18,119 --> 00:29:21,880
all the negativity. But I don't really even remember it

569
00:29:22,079 --> 00:29:25,119
because I've learned from Janet to just kind of stay

570
00:29:25,119 --> 00:29:27,559
in the light. So when those things happen, they're going

571
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,759
to happen. I've predicted things, I've seen things, and you know,

572
00:29:31,799 --> 00:29:34,079
and you can kind of control that too. Like I

573
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:35,960
just had a client of mine who I've known for

574
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,200
a while. She's young, and I've asked spirit to stop

575
00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:41,680
showing me if someone's going to pass away, and I

576
00:29:41,759 --> 00:29:44,680
have and I can't help them. Show me only if

577
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,519
there's something that I can do, because I do a

578
00:29:46,559 --> 00:29:50,000
lot of medical mediumship. And so I had said to

579
00:29:50,079 --> 00:29:53,160
her she was thinking of moving to Florida, and I said,

580
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,279
you know, I don't know. I'm not sure, I said,

581
00:29:55,279 --> 00:29:56,720
And then I said, you know what I do see

582
00:29:56,759 --> 00:29:58,519
an estate sale. I feel like you're going to be

583
00:29:58,559 --> 00:30:01,839
selling everything like someone's She's like, how, I'm a hoarder.

584
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,960
I have things everywhere. I said, Well, I can always

585
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,519
help you clear things out. I said, but you're you know,

586
00:30:06,559 --> 00:30:08,119
it's like an estate so you're just going to have

587
00:30:08,119 --> 00:30:09,920
somebody come in and they're just going to come through

588
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,000
the house. And then I found out from her mother

589
00:30:13,079 --> 00:30:15,599
she passed away like a few weeks later, and she

590
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,079
was talking to me about doing an estate sale, and

591
00:30:18,119 --> 00:30:19,680
I was just like, oh my god, I talked to

592
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,640
her about this, so and so of course you're going

593
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,640
to remember that, like, oh no, And then you know,

594
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,759
I didn't see. Why didn't I see she passed? Like, well,

595
00:30:27,799 --> 00:30:30,480
because you asked not to, you know, but I saw

596
00:30:30,519 --> 00:30:34,440
what was coming. And it's just a matter of not

597
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,839
not focusing on all of those things. And seeing all

598
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,680
of the things that you say, because you might get

599
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,000
a message to not go to the left and you

600
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,759
don't even pay attention to it. Don't go left, go right,

601
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,319
or don't go that way, take the highway, and all

602
00:30:50,319 --> 00:30:53,559
of those things are psychic messages that we're getting that

603
00:30:53,599 --> 00:30:56,400
are saving our lives or putting us on the right path,

604
00:30:56,519 --> 00:30:58,759
and we don't pay attention to those as much because

605
00:30:59,119 --> 00:31:00,799
they don't stand out the same way.

606
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: So well, when people are trying to approach or find

607
00:31:11,359 --> 00:31:14,400
a psychic medium, is there anything that they can do

608
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:20,759
to make sure they're picking the right person? Because I'm

609
00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:22,599
sorry to say it, there are a lot of people

610
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:27,640
in this in this business that shouldn't be doing it. Yeah,

611
00:31:27,839 --> 00:31:32,640
either they're outright frauds or they maybe have a little

612
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,039
bit of ability, but they're nowhere near as good as

613
00:31:35,039 --> 00:31:37,640
they think they are. Right now, I've been around a

614
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,720
few people like that. You know, what advice would you

615
00:31:41,759 --> 00:31:45,880
have for anybody who's seeking out a psychic medium for

616
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,319
reading or for any other type of work.

617
00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:51,359
Speaker 2: Well, so the first thing I always say is to

618
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,960
get a referral. I've been all referrals for thirty years.

619
00:31:55,319 --> 00:31:57,960
So now I'm on Facebook, a little bit. But I

620
00:31:58,119 --> 00:32:00,440
just have my little group of people of my friends,

621
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,799
you know, and whoever refers, and they want to join

622
00:32:02,839 --> 00:32:05,640
my Facebook page. And so I really don't promote. I

623
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,559
don't have a website. I don't do any of that.

624
00:32:07,599 --> 00:32:09,440
People will say, where's your website. I'm like, I'm a

625
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,920
hidden gem, you know, excuse me. But with that said,

626
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,599
you also want to find somebody that's not ego, you know, driven.

627
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,480
It's not about ego. And again Janet as my mentor,

628
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,400
it's not about ego. We all have gifts. Everybody has gifts.

629
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,960
Whether you're an artist, a singer, you can cook well,

630
00:32:27,039 --> 00:32:29,279
you're the best at cleaning, you're you know, you're a

631
00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:32,160
great animal person, whatever you have to offer the world,

632
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,319
we all have gifts. So just because you're a psychic

633
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,759
medium doesn't mean you're like something. You know, so above

634
00:32:38,839 --> 00:32:42,599
and beyond, it's it's just that's your gift. So one

635
00:32:42,599 --> 00:32:44,680
of the things is to find somebody who's very down

636
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,200
to earth, who's not trying to like prove themselves to

637
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,960
you or you know. And and also I would say,

638
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,359
so always a referral, I think, you know, go to

639
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,559
somebody who says to you, I went to this person,

640
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,920
they were great. You know, you should not going to

641
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,559
say you can't leave there you're not feeling great, because

642
00:33:01,599 --> 00:33:03,680
sometimes I have to give information that you don't like.

643
00:33:03,839 --> 00:33:05,480
You know, you don't want to hear it. But you

644
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,960
shouldn't be leaving there feeling like you have a dark cloud.

645
00:33:08,039 --> 00:33:09,920
And if you don't buy the candle for five hundred

646
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,160
dollars something's good. That is not real, it's not true.

647
00:33:13,759 --> 00:33:16,359
We have the power of prayer, we have God within us,

648
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,160
like we can push away negative energy on our own.

649
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,519
So I think making sure that you're with somebody who

650
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,359
someone you know has gone to or has you've seen

651
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,880
like a lot of referrals and things like that from

652
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,839
would be the number one thing I would say.

653
00:33:31,799 --> 00:33:34,599
Speaker 3: I would also tell people go with your gut.

654
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:39,279
Speaker 1: If let's say you whether you're meeting someone you're trying

655
00:33:39,319 --> 00:33:42,640
to figure them out if they're good or not, or

656
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,799
even if you're in the middle of a reading, and

657
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,119
if you're not feeling good about it, if something feels

658
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:53,119
off it is, yeah, that's your intuition telling you that no,

659
00:33:53,319 --> 00:33:59,359
this isn't good. There was a psychic medium who share

660
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,400
you one to one time, and she said you have

661
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,880
this negative attachment around you. I can get rid of

662
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:10,960
it for two hundred dollars. It's like no, so yeah,

663
00:34:11,079 --> 00:34:14,119
you use your own discernment, listen to what your body

664
00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:16,679
tells you. But I tell people all the time your

665
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:20,239
body gives you signals, and don't just blow it off.

666
00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:22,920
You know, whether you're getting a tingling in your scalp,

667
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,559
which I get all the time, yeah, or anything else,

668
00:34:26,559 --> 00:34:29,960
shortness of breath oring, you know, little anxiety or whatever

669
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,400
that seems out of place, then listen to that, look

670
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,280
at the situation you're in, and then make a decision.

671
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:41,840
Because your body, or your intuition, spirit or even spirit

672
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,159
is trying to give you a message.

673
00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 2: Absolutely. I tell my clients all the time. I always

674
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,760
say take it with a grain of salt. And they're like, well,

675
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,320
you're always right. I'm not always right. It may and again,

676
00:34:54,519 --> 00:34:57,519
because it blows people's minds, I say, even if I'm

677
00:34:57,559 --> 00:35:00,480
seventy percent right, I'm still not always right. I'm thirty

678
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,360
percent not right. You know what I mean, You're not

679
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,320
going to be one hundred percent. And we get things

680
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,360
in signs and symbols. So sometimes I'm seeing a sign

681
00:35:08,519 --> 00:35:10,480
and it might be Florida to me, or maybe it

682
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,400
has to like say, I see a dolphin, let's just

683
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,239
for me. A dolphin might mean breath, breath work, breathing,

684
00:35:16,559 --> 00:35:19,559
or it could mean Florida. It could mean a lot

685
00:35:19,599 --> 00:35:22,280
of somebody collected them. And I have to like mind

686
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,400
map it as I call it and go further with it.

687
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,760
But what if I'm getting it wrong and so I

688
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,719
missed something. You know, trust your instincts, because maybe it's

689
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,000
that there's somebody in Florida that's going to invite, you know,

690
00:35:34,039 --> 00:35:36,320
send you an invite, or maybe there's something with your breathing.

691
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,320
But also if it's scary, I tell people too, like listen,

692
00:35:40,559 --> 00:35:43,239
take it in, hear what I'm saying, keep it in

693
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,119
the back of your head, don't dwell on it, because

694
00:35:45,119 --> 00:35:47,280
again I'm a certified hypnotherapist, so I know what the

695
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,639
brain can do. I also don't want to give people

696
00:35:49,679 --> 00:35:53,320
information that's going to create a problem. So take it in,

697
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:54,920
take it with a grain of salt, or write it

698
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,599
down and leave it there and pay attention to you

699
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,280
and how you're feeling. And if something comes up that

700
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,360
feels like it makes sense to what I was saying,

701
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,840
then you know, that that's something that's accurate for you

702
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,679
to you know, heed the advice. But I always tell

703
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,280
people trust your instincts over mind. I do this for

704
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,480
a living, and yet still I say the same thing

705
00:36:13,519 --> 00:36:16,639
with doctors. Advocate for yourself. You can go to a

706
00:36:16,679 --> 00:36:19,800
doctor and this person has all this schooling to tell

707
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,480
him what's wrong or her what's wrong, but they might

708
00:36:23,519 --> 00:36:26,480
be wrong. I've saved many a life saying I'm sorry,

709
00:36:26,519 --> 00:36:28,880
but I don't feel that, and I think you need

710
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,639
to still address this. No, they said, no, I'm telling you.

711
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,800
I have all the cardiac exams. I'm telling you like

712
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,360
I'm not trying to scare you, but this is what

713
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,039
I feel, and I tell them. And if you're still

714
00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:44,519
feeling that, then heed my advice and trust your body.

715
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,760
Like you said, you know when something feels right or

716
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,280
feels wrong to you. So regardless of what a psychic says,

717
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:55,599
regardless regardless of anything, we're not God either, you know, So.

718
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: It's trusting you in your own intuition. Wait, everybody has it,

719
00:37:02,199 --> 00:37:04,280
whether they want to admit it or not.

720
00:37:05,159 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I but no, you go ahead. I also

721
00:37:10,559 --> 00:37:13,719
think that's why we don't read ourselves right, because we

722
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,880
could we could very easily not be listening to our

723
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,679
instincts and getting caught up in fears or what we

724
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,519
hope to be true. So when we're pulling cards for ourselves,

725
00:37:22,639 --> 00:37:24,639
not saying we don't do it, but we have to

726
00:37:24,679 --> 00:37:27,960
be very careful of what we're seeing, Like, really look

727
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,840
at that and say, is this something I want to

728
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,440
see or is this something I'm so afraid of that

729
00:37:32,559 --> 00:37:35,639
I'm seeing that in the cards. Because when I do readings,

730
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:37,679
even if I do a phone reading a lot of

731
00:37:37,679 --> 00:37:40,239
times I'll send pictures of the cards to people and

732
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,960
I'm looking at a card yesterday and this girl's like, oh,

733
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,199
this card looks like this, that and the other. I'm like, oh,

734
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,440
I'm not getting that at all. But because she was

735
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,320
afraid of that, she picked something out in the picture

736
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,960
to her that was scary. So then you have to ask,

737
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,559
you know, do you do this work often? Do you meditate?

738
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,960
Are you are you very in two with your intuition

739
00:38:01,519 --> 00:38:04,000
or are you basing this on your fears? You know?

740
00:38:04,559 --> 00:38:08,480
So it's a complicated, complex world, you know that we

741
00:38:08,559 --> 00:38:09,000
work in.

742
00:38:10,679 --> 00:38:14,519
Speaker 1: Absolutely I wanted to throw a scenario at you and

743
00:38:14,559 --> 00:38:17,800
get your thoughts on it. For anybody else who might

744
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,639
be in the situation. And again getting back more to

745
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:26,000
paranormal experiences. The very first house I lived in when

746
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,719
I moved here to New Jersey twenty six years ago,

747
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:34,079
time flies, and you know, it was an old nineteen

748
00:38:34,119 --> 00:38:38,639
thirties converted cabin in a lake community, Okay, and I

749
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,800
when I moved in, I started having experiences. I would

750
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,679
hear my name being called. I started. I had a

751
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:48,639
video camera, and this is what got me into the

752
00:38:48,679 --> 00:38:53,440
paranormal research is I would film things that should not

753
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:57,960
have been there, okay, But then the one thing that

754
00:38:58,119 --> 00:39:04,239
happened several times was I would get sleep paralysis. I've

755
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:08,920
never had sleep paralysis in my life, and since then

756
00:39:09,119 --> 00:39:13,159
I've only ever had sleep paralysis in that house. Never

757
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,280
again interesting, and so I would with people who have it.

758
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:23,199
I mean, my experience was I would wake up, I

759
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,880
was conscious, I couldn't move, I couldn't move, and then

760
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,480
it would feel like there was this energy floating like

761
00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:34,480
above my chest around me, and I couldn't speak, I

762
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:38,760
couldn't move. But for me, I never get scared with

763
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:39,400
these things.

764
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:40,119
Speaker 2: Okay.

765
00:39:41,119 --> 00:39:43,039
Speaker 1: So I was trying to think in my head, what

766
00:39:43,079 --> 00:39:47,360
do you want? And then the energy would get more intense,

767
00:39:47,679 --> 00:39:50,119
to the point where I say, okay, no, you're done,

768
00:39:50,199 --> 00:39:53,920
go way, go away. I'd throw up my own lighter

769
00:39:53,960 --> 00:40:00,039
protection or whatnot. It would go away. And the the

770
00:40:00,159 --> 00:40:03,119
last time I had one, I was lying in bed

771
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,679
and I woke up and I was paralyzed again. And

772
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:12,320
then I kept hearing a man's voice whispering in my

773
00:40:12,559 --> 00:40:17,079
right ear, okay, whispering desperately. I couldn't understand what he

774
00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:20,480
was saying, okay, and so in my head again I'm

775
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:24,239
not afraid, I was trying to tell whoever this was, look,

776
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,239
you need to slow down. I can't understand you. But

777
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,320
every time I said that, he seemed to get more

778
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:33,360
and more agitated, till finally the last time I felt

779
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,719
I never saw it, but it felt like he was

780
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,320
in front of this far in front of my face,

781
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,480
screaming at the top of his lungs. And that's when

782
00:40:40,519 --> 00:40:43,239
again I said, Okay, that's it, You're done, and I

783
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,960
imagine pushing him out the window behind me, and he

784
00:40:47,039 --> 00:40:51,039
went away. And then oh, I mean, I just came

785
00:40:51,079 --> 00:40:55,119
out of it. But again, it never frightens me well.

786
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,760
Speaker 2: Which just goes to show with the imagining you pushed

787
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,760
him out the window, right. I always say that you're

788
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,519
imagination is real. So when we talk about hypnosis doing

789
00:41:03,559 --> 00:41:06,400
past life aggressions, and I say to people, if you're

790
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,599
imagining it, it's real. So I think I'm just imagining.

791
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,880
Just tell me what you see, because that is your

792
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,280
subconscious You're going in there and you're you know, so

793
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,719
you're feeling like you're imagining it, but what you were

794
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,599
really doing is your energy was pushing that energy out.

795
00:41:20,199 --> 00:41:23,320
So with sleep prouses, I am not a fan, and

796
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,280
I've had it on and off throughout my life and

797
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:31,480
there are different feelings that I've gotten from this. One

798
00:41:31,519 --> 00:41:33,719
of them is what sounds like was happening to you

799
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,320
is spirit gets way too close to our energy. We

800
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,480
need to keep a boundary from them. And when they

801
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,519
we're vulnerable when we're sleeping, so they come in so

802
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:47,599
close that they actually affect our energy field. So what

803
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,760
happens is it almost kind of creates a vortex of energy.

804
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,880
It pulls our energy out. So when mediums try to

805
00:41:54,079 --> 00:41:56,440
like mediums that go in the cabinet and which you know,

806
00:41:56,519 --> 00:42:02,440
people will try to manifest like the know, the plasm plasma,

807
00:42:02,559 --> 00:42:05,920
whatever you call it, the mist or try to manifest

808
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,320
a rose to fall or whatever you would have to

809
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:13,679
allow in that circle for energy to come from your

810
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,079
body to manifest that energy, because the spirit cannot do

811
00:42:17,199 --> 00:42:19,440
that alone. They need to pull energy from whether it's

812
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,119
your lights. That's why sometimes lights will go out and things.

813
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,960
It's not like they're always trying to create a problem

814
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,280
for you. They're just pulling the energy from what's going

815
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,639
on around them, whether it's you or the circuits, you know,

816
00:42:31,159 --> 00:42:34,800
the energy around So with that said, it sounds to

817
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,199
me like someone was desperate for you to like, you know,

818
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,599
help them, and so they were just kind of like

819
00:42:40,679 --> 00:42:44,119
pulling on your energy. They may have even wanted to

820
00:42:44,199 --> 00:42:47,239
manifest physically for some reason, to get back onto the

821
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:51,880
earth plane or to do something. They needed more energy

822
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,800
to physically get something done. So I think that sounds

823
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,800
like someone really trying to get your attention. One of

824
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,719
the other things that could happen, which could also be

825
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,880
is the the walk ins as they call it, which

826
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,039
you know, whether you believe in that or not, but

827
00:43:08,159 --> 00:43:11,239
pulling your soul out to get their soul in. So

828
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,159
and then I don't know a whole lot about that

829
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,800
because I don't like you know, work with that so much.

830
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:18,719
But like they say that, like they can walk in

831
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,440
and then your soul gets kind of left here. So

832
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,360
was that someone's walk in, That someone walked into their

833
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,559
body and their soul got pulled out, so they're trying

834
00:43:26,559 --> 00:43:28,760
to get back into another body to get back into

835
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:29,079
the world.

836
00:43:29,159 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 1: You know.

837
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,119
Speaker 2: It's it's a complicated thing. But that's another theory.

838
00:43:33,559 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, walkins, I'm trying to interrupt you with walkins.

839
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:42,920
I've heard different theories on it. One is that the soul,

840
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:48,800
your soul for whatever reason, is just done and doesn't

841
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:53,079
want to continue. So another soul on the other side

842
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:57,559
agrees to take over for you and literally walks in,

843
00:43:57,679 --> 00:44:00,519
you walk out, and they take over your life. And

844
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:06,960
people have noticed that some people's personalities have changed, usually

845
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:12,000
for the better, and they just notice the differences. But

846
00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:15,559
that walk in just continues to live that other person's

847
00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:19,920
life while the soul goes back to source. That's one

848
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,719
version of it, anyway, it is, Yeah, and then there's

849
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,719
possession is a different story.

850
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 2: Right, And I was going to say, and then the

851
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:32,480
other version is you didn't necessarily agree to it. They've

852
00:44:32,519 --> 00:44:35,079
decided to come in and say I'm going to take

853
00:44:35,119 --> 00:44:38,320
over now, which to me is still like I see

854
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,480
them both as walk ins, even if we don't call

855
00:44:40,519 --> 00:44:43,000
it that way, because there, you know, again, how we

856
00:44:43,079 --> 00:44:45,599
get downloads. One person gets it this way, someone else

857
00:44:45,639 --> 00:44:48,000
gets it another way. But to me, they're both like

858
00:44:48,159 --> 00:44:51,639
on that same string of how that is happening. And

859
00:44:51,679 --> 00:44:53,840
that's one of the things that can happen for me

860
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,480
when I have not every time, but there were a

861
00:44:59,519 --> 00:45:02,880
lot of times when I would have sleep paralysis, and

862
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,559
so doctors didn't understand it. When I was a kid.

863
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,599
I'd explain it and they'd say, it's sleep paralysis. And

864
00:45:08,639 --> 00:45:10,440
then they I'd say, but like, what is all the

865
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,239
humming that I hear? And they're like, We've never heard

866
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,079
of that. So I've said this a million times because

867
00:45:16,119 --> 00:45:19,639
there's always this very loud, high humming, and to this day,

868
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,719
as much as I love crystal singing balls, there are

869
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,000
vibrations that I'm like, I can't. I don't like the

870
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,880
way it feels. It almost feels like it's taking it's

871
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,679
going to take me literally away. I can't explain it.

872
00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:34,760
And then I had an alien not an alien encounter,

873
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,800
but a UFO encounter when I was in the eighties

874
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,079
with my dad and my sister. We literally saw this

875
00:45:40,119 --> 00:45:43,639
big thing hanging overhead and it had that same humming sound.

876
00:45:44,119 --> 00:45:47,360
So I was up at my It was my husband,

877
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,119
I think he was my boyfriend at the time, up

878
00:45:49,199 --> 00:45:51,719
on Greenwood Lake and in the middle of the night,

879
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:56,360
this was in the nineties now, there was this huge

880
00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:00,960
light shining in the window and this wow humming and

881
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:02,800
he was like, what the heck is that? And I

882
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,480
was sleeping and I didn't remember saying it until the morning,

883
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,159
and I said, Oh, it's just it's the UFOs. They're

884
00:46:08,199 --> 00:46:11,119
coming to get water. You know, they'll be gone in

885
00:46:11,159 --> 00:46:12,760
a minute or whatever. I said, And I went and

886
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,119
I slept through it. The next morning, He's like, what

887
00:46:15,159 --> 00:46:16,800
were you talking about. I'm like, what are you talking?

888
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,719
And then I remembered and I'm like, oh my god.

889
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,199
And it just came to me like it was so natural, like, oh,

890
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,880
it's just the because it was that same humming. So

891
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,920
then I wonder, with some of my sleep paralysis, is

892
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:33,320
it again? How many dimensions are there? How many things

893
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:37,519
are we dealing with? How many energies? There isn't necessarily

894
00:46:37,559 --> 00:46:40,639
one type of walking, There isn't one reason for sleep paralysis.

895
00:46:40,679 --> 00:46:43,519
There isn't one way of getting information, you know, we

896
00:46:43,599 --> 00:46:44,719
just don't know everything.

897
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:51,159
Speaker 1: There's another form sleep paralysis can be. A part of

898
00:46:51,199 --> 00:46:54,480
this is when some people are ready to have an

899
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:58,079
out of body experience, right, you know, the body is

900
00:46:58,119 --> 00:47:02,280
shut down, the mind is still awake, and the buzzing.

901
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:06,079
A lot of people do report hearing a buzzing. Whitley

902
00:47:06,079 --> 00:47:09,239
Straeber was talking about some of his experiences and would

903
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,559
hear this buzzing sound just before he was able to

904
00:47:12,639 --> 00:47:16,599
leave his body right and have those types of experiences.

905
00:47:16,679 --> 00:47:21,760
So maybe the buzzing again, everything is energy, is vibration,

906
00:47:23,079 --> 00:47:29,559
everything's vibration, so maybe that has maybe that has something

907
00:47:29,559 --> 00:47:30,119
to do with it.

908
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 2: I have had at of body experiences which I also

909
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,639
don't like. You know, people like buy stones and things

910
00:47:35,679 --> 00:47:38,000
to ashor project. I'm like, I like to stay where

911
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,639
I am, thank you, But I have had and I

912
00:47:41,679 --> 00:47:44,119
have to think back, if I believe I've always had

913
00:47:44,119 --> 00:47:46,760
the humming no matter what, even if I didn't leave

914
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,079
my body, if I just did had the same experiences

915
00:47:49,119 --> 00:47:51,679
like you've had where you feel the pressure and you

916
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,440
can't and I'll actually feel like I can't breathe, like

917
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,559
I feel like I'm suffocating at times, which is the

918
00:47:56,559 --> 00:47:58,280
only time the fear comes in, and then I just

919
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:02,280
remind myself what's happening so I can walk myself back

920
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,800
out of it. But yeah, i feel like I've always

921
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:07,719
had the humming no matter what, even if I'm not

922
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,280
leaving the body and I'm totally aware of what's happening

923
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,320
and something is just oppressive. So I'm not sure I've

924
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,320
always had the humming no matter what the experience was.

925
00:48:16,559 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: So going back to when you talked about your hypnotherapy,

926
00:48:23,039 --> 00:48:26,239
how did you get in for training for hypnotherapy and

927
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,400
specifically doing past life regressions?

928
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:34,559
Speaker 2: So it was another you know, synchronicities. I was working

929
00:48:34,559 --> 00:48:36,679
with Janet. It was just Herrah and a couple of

930
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,599
handful of people that were working at the church. And

931
00:48:39,679 --> 00:48:42,920
I had offered to help paint our offices while my

932
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,039
kids were in school because they were little, and so

933
00:48:45,079 --> 00:48:46,599
it was just her and I and we were painting

934
00:48:46,599 --> 00:48:49,480
and we were talking, and I had had this interest

935
00:48:49,679 --> 00:48:53,880
in hypnosis. I was reading a lot of books and

936
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,119
reading like many Masters, many Lives or whatever it was,

937
00:48:57,159 --> 00:49:00,440
Many Lives, many Masters, and I was very interested and

938
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,880
she had just brought up that she was going to

939
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:07,519
this woman in Ringwood for these classes, and I was like,

940
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,239
oh my god, you know that's crazy because I've been

941
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,519
thinking about doing this, so a long story longer, I

942
00:49:13,599 --> 00:49:15,960
decided to get in touch with her and I took

943
00:49:16,559 --> 00:49:19,199
classes with her as well, and that was one of

944
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the things I really wanted to do. So initially, when

945
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,920
you get certified, you're doing more of the clinical work,

946
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,760
so you're working more with anxiety and smoking and you know,

947
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,960
weight loss and stress and whatever. And then I took

948
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the advanced classes with her to do more of the

949
00:49:32,679 --> 00:49:37,599
spiritual work, soul retrieval and past life regression and cord

950
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cuttings and things like that. So that's how I got started.

951
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Speaker 1: Without of course mentioning anybody. Was there someone that you

952
00:49:47,559 --> 00:49:51,079
took through a past life regression that you remember the most?

953
00:49:52,519 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 2: One that is really really cool was a young man

954
00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:00,760
that was probably a teenager, and I was friends with

955
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,559
his mom, and he kept having like night terrors all

956
00:50:04,599 --> 00:50:07,199
through his life. He was having night terrors and fear

957
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:10,079
of dying young. So he had this like anxiety that

958
00:50:10,199 --> 00:50:13,519
was getting overwhelming for him. And I said, why don't

959
00:50:13,519 --> 00:50:16,199
we do a past life regression. Let's see what's going

960
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:17,840
on here. You know, he's had this since he was

961
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:19,960
a little boy, and it was a certain age, right,

962
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So like when you come into this life and you

963
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,559
like feel like at this point in time, this might happen.

964
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Sometimes it's because that happened in another lifetime. You have

965
00:50:27,599 --> 00:50:30,719
cell memory or you have you know, energetic memories that

966
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:32,960
are happening, and you think it's going to happen again.

967
00:50:33,599 --> 00:50:37,760
So I did this whole regression with him, and he

968
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,039
came up with all of this stuff about an airplane,

969
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,400
and I think we had the flight number, like there

970
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,280
was like between the two of us, because when I

971
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do a past life regression, sometimes I'm also getting information

972
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,519
for this person on that life or a different one.

973
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And so we walked him through and I took him

974
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into the light to look down on his life. What

975
00:50:57,559 --> 00:50:59,760
did you learn in that lifetime that you needed to

976
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take into this life so you can release that experience.

977
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And so he came out of it. He came to

978
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and he went home and he researched and apparently there

979
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was a plane crash that he in that timeframe in

980
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:18,199
New York where we came up with all this information

981
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:20,960
and that was it. I think he had one more

982
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,840
episode of like fear of dying and that was it.

983
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:31,519
And now he's in his twenties, maybe thirty, and never

984
00:51:31,559 --> 00:51:33,440
again had another issue.

985
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Speaker 3: So that's why I.

986
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 1: Honestly feel that's where a lot of phobias come from.

987
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:39,760
Speaker 3: Either.

988
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:43,519
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you can have trauma when you're young

989
00:51:43,679 --> 00:51:46,599
and then have phobias later. But some of it are

990
00:51:46,679 --> 00:51:51,440
also can be attributed to a past life experience too.

991
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,960
That's bleeding over. Maybe that's something that that person has

992
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:58,199
to work out now in this lifetime, right because of

993
00:51:58,239 --> 00:51:59,320
whatever trauma.

994
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,599
Speaker 2: That was absolutely and sometimes with a past life regression, right,

995
00:52:02,599 --> 00:52:04,320
I mean, we're working with the mind again, we're working

996
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,599
with energies. Maybe you are going to your childhood. Maybe

997
00:52:07,639 --> 00:52:10,559
there's something you saw, maybe you read about this, maybe

998
00:52:10,599 --> 00:52:12,639
you saw it on the news, and you you know,

999
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:16,280
you're having that memory still and so we're doing a

1000
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:19,039
past life regression. And maybe it's this life regression that

1001
00:52:19,199 --> 00:52:21,199
you just didn't go into a past life. You saw

1002
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:24,119
these things happening, but it could still be just what

1003
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,679
was in your cell memory. You could have been watching

1004
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:30,639
this at one year old, or maybe your grandfather experience

1005
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:34,000
something and it's in your cells. You know. Again I'm

1006
00:52:34,119 --> 00:52:37,119
very open to you know, I call it past life regression,

1007
00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:40,199
But is it this life regression? Is it cell memory?

1008
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,840
Because there's so many things that are happening, you know,

1009
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,840
kind of like all the different dimensions happening at once

1010
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:50,199
that I don't like to just like, well it's this.

1011
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,920
So it's that, you know, like maybe it's not past life,

1012
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,639
but still the past life regression is what brings you

1013
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:00,559
to that healing. So to me, that's all that really matters.

1014
00:53:00,679 --> 00:53:02,800
You know, I don't care how we get there, as

1015
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,079
long as we get to the healing exactly exactly.

1016
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Speaker 1: Well, we're coming up towards the end of the program here.

1017
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:15,920
Now you are on Facebook and people you know, you

1018
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:17,039
work with referrals.

1019
00:53:17,039 --> 00:53:18,159
Speaker 3: There so no website.

1020
00:53:18,159 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 1: But your book is it still available that people can

1021
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:22,519
purchase it is?

1022
00:53:22,559 --> 00:53:25,760
Speaker 2: It's available on Amazon and I believe it's Amazon dot

1023
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:29,320
com and Barnes Andnobles dot com. And it's what it

1024
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:33,880
is is it's actually a workbook. So it's actually done

1025
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,719
in a way that it talks a little bit about me.

1026
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,280
And then there's questions and answers, like all the questions

1027
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:43,119
that people have asked me in my life about this work.

1028
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,840
I answer them. So I put the question, I answer

1029
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:47,920
to my best ability. And then there's pages that you

1030
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,039
can write your own experiences and things on so that

1031
00:53:50,039 --> 00:53:52,960
you can work with your own because it's finding or

1032
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:54,920
being an ethical reader.

1033
00:53:55,119 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: So fantastic. Well, Patty, thank you so much for coming on.

1034
00:54:00,159 --> 00:54:02,800
Really excited to have you on here. And you know

1035
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,400
we've got to talk about doing some of these investigations

1036
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:05,880
here soon.

1037
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:07,039
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

1038
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Speaker 1: Well, I'm doing something at a theater up in Sussex

1039
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,920
Friday that I here is haunted, so I'll have to

1040
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,320
talk to the owner and see maybe if it's something

1041
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:17,119
we can get into.

1042
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,320
Speaker 2: Very fun. Can I tell you one quick story before

1043
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,760
we end? Or you absolutely the one more story. When

1044
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:27,039
my dad was passing, he was passing away and he

1045
00:54:27,039 --> 00:54:30,280
couldn't speak, and he was in on hospice, on the

1046
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:33,719
medications and he wasn't speaking anymore, and out of nowhere,

1047
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,320
I said, Dad just told me he's going to show

1048
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,480
me a metal anchor to let us know that he's okay.

1049
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,679
My whole family was around. So the next morning he

1050
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:43,960
passed in the evening, in the middle of the night,

1051
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,719
and the next morning we're going through pictures and things,

1052
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:48,840
and my niece was here and I said, can you

1053
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,480
grab me that black folder over there, that's Grandpa's artwork.

1054
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:53,199
I want to put it out for the memorial service.

1055
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,679
Well she grabs the wrong one and out falls a

1056
00:54:56,679 --> 00:55:00,159
metal anchor, and my sister is sitting My sister, my

1057
00:55:00,199 --> 00:55:03,280
mother was sitting in the chair like stunned because she

1058
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:07,199
doesn't believe any of this. This is what fell out

1059
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,800
of the book that she picked up. Not only is

1060
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,840
it a metal anchor, but it's a medal from my

1061
00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:18,000
nephew in the service that my add pictures of him

1062
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:23,559
and the medal with the anchor in the book. So

1063
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:27,119
literally within twelve hours of him passing, and my whole

1064
00:55:27,159 --> 00:55:29,519
family knew because I told them straight out what was

1065
00:55:29,559 --> 00:55:31,320
going to happen. So that was like one of the

1066
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:33,400
best pieces of evidence ever.

1067
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 1: So fantastic, pretty cool. I love when things like that happened.

1068
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:39,079
Speaker 2: It was wild.

1069
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,519
Speaker 1: Okay, well we will be going, but we'll talk with

1070
00:55:43,599 --> 00:55:46,039
you soon. I'll probably have to have you back again

1071
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:47,199
in the near future.

1072
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:49,519
Speaker 2: Sure sounds great, Thank you so much.

1073
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:53,679
Speaker 1: Okay, Well that was Patty Lehman Ellie h m a

1074
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:57,119
n And you know, like I said, before. Patty's a

1075
00:55:57,159 --> 00:55:58,880
really good friend of mine. You could tell them the

1076
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:05,000
way we're talking. I wanted to clarify something the way

1077
00:56:05,159 --> 00:56:10,159
I was talking in this show with her. I do

1078
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:14,320
not consider myself a psychic medium. I realized I was

1079
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,360
talking like.

1080
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 3: One with her.

1081
00:56:17,599 --> 00:56:20,679
Speaker 1: I have had many experiences in my life. I've been

1082
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,880
kind of training on some things. I do read cards

1083
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:27,119
and whatnot, but it is not a full time thing

1084
00:56:27,199 --> 00:56:31,440
for me yet. So I just wanted to clarify that

1085
00:56:31,639 --> 00:56:34,679
a little bit. Patty's been doing it, like she said,

1086
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:38,360
for thirty years, so I just wanted to say that.

1087
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:42,960
And next time we're going to have some great guests.

1088
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:46,480
So please keep tuning in and you listen to the

1089
00:56:46,519 --> 00:56:51,400
audio version on the Paranormal UK Network. PAUK Radio dot

1090
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:58,320
com goes out on Applespreaker, Podbean, Samsung, Google, every major

1091
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:02,599
platform even Amazon Audio, and of course this video is

1092
00:57:02,639 --> 00:57:06,079
on my YouTube channel, Melissa Lee. Thank you for all

1093
00:57:06,079 --> 00:57:09,280
tuning in and we will catch you next time. In

1094
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:12,000
the meanwhile, be good humans. We'll talk to you soon.