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Hi everybody, Welcome to trans Dimensional Realities, where we talk
about everything strange and unusual that happens in the world
all around us. I'm your host, Melissa Lee, and this
is our fifth episode. I highly recommend if you haven't
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shows as well. I'm really excited to talk to my
guests today because I've known her for almost twenty years
and she has worked with me on several cases over
the years of my paranormal investigations and we've become very
good friends, and I asked her to come on the
show to talk about herself what she does as a
psychic medium. So I want to welcome Patty Lehman to
the program. Hi Patty, how are you.
Speaker 2: How are you doing?
Speaker 1: I'm doing well, Thank you, Thanks for coming on I've
been wanting to do an interview with you for a
while since we've worked together for so long on many
different things, and just give you a chance to let
people get to know who.
Speaker 3: You are and what you do.
Speaker 1: So if you could just start off, just tell us
a bit about your background. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, I've been doing this work for close to thirty
years now professionally, and it all started out in you know,
it was in the nineties and I was actually going
through a depression at the time, going through a lot
of stuff, going through a divorce, things like that, which
I find a lot of people tend to start looking
for their spiritual selves in these times, you know, in
the darker times or the shadow times as we call them.
And my aunt, weirdly enough, I never knew, was an astrologer,
and she had said to me, why don't you go
to this place in Wayne called the Journey Within? This
woman at Jena and Nohavok, God rest her soul. You know,
she's was a reverend and blah blah blah. So I
went to the church and I just you know, I
felt like I finally found a place where I belonged,
you know, So I decided to take a class with her,
and I took a psychic development class and she was
like impressed with me and said, why don't you take
the mediumship class? So I was like, well, you know,
and at the time, I was like, okay, so this
this person's just promoting their stuff. You know, I didn't
know her at the time. I didn't realize how ethical
she was and everything. And so I did that. I
took the class and did really well, and she right
away she was like, you know, will you please, you know,
join my church with me and you know, do all
the stuff. She was in the very beginning stages of
the journey within at the time, and I did. And
I was like a very shy person. I you know,
I really wasn't somebody that would speak in public or whatever.
And then I started doing my work there and I
just kind of honed in my skills. I didn't know
I was a medium. I didn't realize honestly, Like as
a child, I've always had this gift, so you know,
you don't always know like what's happening. I was the
only one in my family that had it to that degree.
People not to that degree. So that's basically how I
started my whole business. And I was with the Journey
Within for probably twelve years, you know, consistently, and then
my business got so busy, and I have my kids,
you know, I have my sons. So it was just
like so busy that I ended up kind of stepping
away from that for a while and just like joining
here and there. But yeah, that's basically how I got started.
Speaker 1: Now, I've been to the Journey Within, I've been to
the church there. When did Janet? When did she pass?
Speaker 2: She just passed in It was like two years ago, I.
Speaker 1: Believe, okay, because I remember meeting her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, an amazing woman. God rest her. So I mean,
what a loss. You know, the church is still going,
they're still doing everything, but yeah, she was the heart
of it, you know. And then, you know, that was
a pretty interesting thing too, because we had gone through
a lot, right, spirituality and things like this. We're not
all the rage the way that they are now, so
back then it was like, you know, you were dealing
with people calling you all kinds of names and you know,
all that kind of stuff, and we had to fight
through the town of Pompton Lakes. They didn't want to
give us a space, and you know, it was crazy,
and she would like get very upset and then she
would say, you know what, it's all going to work out.
I need to stay positive and just think think about
what I want. You know, the universe doesn't always know
the difference between what you want and what you fear.
So she did that. And she used to always say
I'm going to have a little because at that time
we had offices in a little basement like by the
bakery and Pompton Lakes and we did the services at
the wise Man bookstore that was there back then, and
over time we went to different places, but she would
always say, I see a little chapel like a little
church for myself. And don't you know, like I don't
know how many years into it was, it had to
be like at least ten years into our work that
this woman actually donated the VFW I think it was
a VFW in Pompton Lakes on car Street and gave
it to her. She passed away and she donated that
to her, so she turned it into little white chapel
that she always wanted. So she manifested herds.
Speaker 1: You know that's fantastic. Yeah, yeah, I've attended there a
few times over the years. Yeah, I took a mediumship
class there as well. That was a long time ago,
but yeah, I had good energy, really good energy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they really do, and so you know, I'm happy
to say that I'm one of you know, very few
people that have actually taken those classes, like you know,
and worked. I worked side by side with Janet from
the beginning, and the ethics are just what's so important
to me, you know, being an ethical reader, being somebody
who you know, cares about your clients and you're not
just popping up on the side of the street like oh,
I'm a psychic, you know, Like I did my time,
and I've learned how to behave with people, how to
get my words out, how to approach things. You know,
there's a psychological component to it, you know. So yeah,
it's it's been a really fun journey for me. I
love it awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, we met again about twenty years ago when I
was doing the beginning of my paranormal research and we
had a couple of cases that you came on. Yeh.
The one was where we first really worked with you,
and I was impressed with you because you nailed something
that nobody knew about was that remember that store and
andover that tile and stone.
Speaker 2: Oh I did? I do remember that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they they had they were seeing a ghost
of a little girl and they just started calling her Sally.
I never told you that, No, And when you were
walking through you picked up on you seeing a little girl.
I'm getting it as I think it's like Sally or something,
and it's like bingo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember that. I do remember that because I
remember at the end they were like, oh my god,
we call her Sally, you know, like really funny like,
and you wonder like, is her name Sally like literally
or did she just know that that's what her name was? Now,
you know, that's a very good question.
Speaker 1: You never know. People get a ghost or spirit in
their house or wherever business and they start calling you
a name. Are they sensing the spirit's former name or
does the spirit just go along with whatever they're calling them?
Speaker 2: Right, it's true. And you know either way, if you're
picking up that energy from the spirit, you know that
the spirit is aware of what's happening in the environment.
So it's really it's such a fun, cool job. I
love what I do so and you know, I love
it because I'm helping people every day, you know. I
love that I can give and stories of my own,
you know, like I have a story. When my dad
passed away, I was just I was with him the
entire time. I stayed with him in the hospital. I
slept there and everything. My dad was very afraid of death.
And we would talk to him and say like, well,
what do you want when you die? You know, my
mom wanted to be cremated, and he would say, no,
I'm not going to die. And we'd be like, well, hypothetically,
just say you do someday, you know, and he wouldn't
talk about it. So he was very afraid of death
and he had a lot of experiences. He was in
a drug induced coma for a little while because he
was sepsis. He had sepsis, and when he came out
of it, he told us about three spinning vortexes. We
told me that there were three spinning vortexes that he
could go through, and he was like there was somebody
in each one of those vortexes with like going like this.
And I was like, well, what did they want? And
he was like, oh, I knew what they wanted. I'm like, well,
were you afraid? He's like no. I'm like, were they nice?
He was like yeah. I'm like, well, why didn't you go?
He's like, because I knew what they wanted. So he
was basically saying that he could choose which tunnel he
wanted to go down. I guess, but none of it
was scary to him, so it didn't sound like the
heaven Purgatory hell story. It was more like which direction
did he want to go in? And he was like
none because he didn't want to pass away. So that
was a pretty cool story. Hyperspace later and I wish
I had the card in front of me that I'm
doing card readings, and there was a dream deck that
my friend gave me, and I open up the deck
and it was so wild because there's like these three
spinning vortex is in it, and you can see this
picture of this person that is it looks like half
male half female, looks just like me and my dad,
and it's like a whole light in front of them.
It's very wild. Never noticed it before. I was like, whoa,
what is that? You know, some kind of past life
stuff there. So it's pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: That's why I love this because there were, you know,
the synchronicities coming into play is fascinating. It's all part
of this the weird things that happen in our reality
every day, and a lot of people don't pick up
on it, but it's there, and this is why I
love talking about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is. It's like you know, and people
will say things like my mom was always very skeptical.
My dad was more open, but he e didn't really
talk about it, but he was more into like the
macabre like I was, and like scary movies and like
anything to do with like you know, Twilight Zone stuff,
and you know, he was into Halloween, you know, like
he he had that.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: My mom was whatever. She was like, Noah, none of
this makes sense. And I remember doing a radio show
and Harvey and like because she would say to me
she lost her son, you know, she lost a baby stillborn.
She lost my brother to suicide. So she was like
and her dad was her love, and she was like,
why wouldn't you know if this is real? Why aren't
they coming to me? And I'd be like, I don't know,
Like are you just missing it? Like is the dream
you're having a visit and you don't recognize it, you know?
And then I was doing a radio show and she
was listening from home, and when I came home, she
was like teared up and she was like, how do
you do that? And I'm like, I don't know, I
just do that.
Speaker 1: It's like a muscle, you know, the more you use it,
the more it works out, it gets bigger.
Speaker 2: And it's true. It's really true because I've noticed that
even in my career at times where I'm not doing
as much of the mediumship, like say gallery style mediumship stuff,
it's like I have to really work myself back into
doing just the mediumship for that period of time. So
I have learned that absolutely you have to kind of
work out a little bit that whole week. You get
yourself ready for that amount of spirit activity. Like I
do spirit activity every day, so they come through in
readings and that's fine, but to sit with the spirit
world for a good hour or two hours through a
gallery style event, you kind of really got to like
work yourself into that. It's the same thing with the
psychic stuff too, because if you get too caught up
in the material world and you're worried about money and
you're worried about survivor and you're worried about all these
different things. We separate ourselves from that inner knowing that
it's all happening for a reason. It's okay, We're going
to be okay. And I tell people all the time,
you think about people that are ninety ninety five, one
hundred and how many things they went through in their
lives where they're like, oh my god, what if this?
What if that? And some of those things actually happened,
but they're still here and they made it through.
Speaker 1: You know, I know that all too well.
Speaker 2: Yes you do, Yes you do. Yeah, it's hard.
Speaker 1: Well, would you classify yourself or the information that you
get as like clairvoyant, Claire audience, Claire sentient? I mean,
do you just get a knowing? Do you actually hear
things being downloaded? I mean, how do you get your information?
Speaker 2: So all of those ways. I was doing a reading
the other day and I said to the girl, I
actually her mom showed me cherry blossoms, and I said,
she's putting cherry blossoms in my face, like a tree
with cherry blossoms, I said, And I'm smelling peppermint for
some reason. So I don't know if this is something
that was happening, you know, at that time or whatever.
At the same time, I heard the name Edward pop
out at me, and like she's also mentioning Edward, and
all of those things made sense. She showed me a
plate with all the cherry blossoms that her daughter had
just made three weeks earlier. That was in her kitchen,
you know. The flag that showed me in the chair
was right in her house. Like and but I was
smelling the peppermint and I heard the name Edward. Her
uncle just died a few weeks ago. His name was Edward.
Her mom was the only one and her aunt that
called him Edward. Everybody else called him Eddie. So it
was just it's everything, like it could just be like
coming at me in all the different ways. So I
have all of it. I smell, I hear, I see,
and I do get downloads and I get downloads. This
is another interesting thing that you know when you start
out like for people, because I wrote a book on
like psychic standards, I'll show it to you on how
to find or be an ethical reader. And it's basically
because the ethics are so important to me. But one
of the things is being able to you know, make
sure that what was I totally lost my train of
thought of what we were just talking about.
Speaker 1: Uh, you were you were talking about how you connect
and yeah.
Speaker 2: And I was going to say something that the book
took me to and it wasn't about the the about.
Speaker 1: How you receive information you were.
Speaker 2: Reading Steve it and it'll come back to me, but
in general, like how sometimes when you start out, That's
what I was going to say, sometimes when you start out,
you're looking to other teachers to teach you, like you're
looking for people to tell you, like what you're seeing
means this, or you know what you're hearing whatever, and
and and you know, we read the books like The
Conversations with God or all the things where someone else downloaded.
And then I started to realize that I was downloading,
like I was downloading a lot of information that maybe
somebody else didn't get. But that doesn't make it wrong.
I'm the next person getting the downloads to teach the person.
So I think anybody that's doing this kind of work too,
you want to pay attention to information that you get
that's like stuff for the future, you know, So I do,
and I call those downloads I just get like all
of a sudden, I'll be like or like even with
a client, like I'll get it download. And this is
interesting because I don't know where this comes from, if
it's coming from another energy force, it doesn't feel like
it's spirit necessarily I get downloads that I kind of
I know it's off topic a little, but it's like
almost like an like an alien like it's coming from
some other dimension or some other life form. Let's put
it that way, some other knowing.
Speaker 1: Do you think some of it could be coming from
your higher self?
Speaker 2: Sometimes? But sometimes I feel like it's it's a different energy.
It feels like because I can kind of differentiate between
when my higher self I think, let's put it this way.
I do think it's higher self, but I think there's
a connection or a link to something else that fees
that information. Whether it's like the Acashak records can speak
for themselves, or if someone's there with them or whatever
it is. It's like, it's yes, I feel to some
degree it's my higher self, but someone's plopping it in
or pushing a button to remind me. It's hard to
explain it. It's not just like when I do higher
self work and I'm working with inner child or I'm
going higher into you know, a past life. For myself,
it's different, it's a different energy. And that's all the
different energies that you can feel when you're doing the work.
You know, it's wild.
Speaker 1: Well, the downloaded information what I was going to tell
for some people to realize if they're looking for signs,
if they're looking.
Speaker 3: For to pay attention to what your thoughts are.
Speaker 1: If something pops in your head, don't just dismiss it
out of hand, think about it. If you're with someone,
if you feel like the information is for them, you
can give that to them.
Speaker 3: But yeah, you have.
Speaker 1: To kind of train yourself to pay attention because you know,
I have a busy brain. My brain goes all over
the place and sometimes I have to sort through what
I feel at times. But every now and then there'll
be a download and I like sit back and go, WHOA, Yeah,
I was not expecting.
Speaker 2: That, And that's what happens. It's like out of nowhere
and when we still ourselves right, Meditation is key. I'm
also a certified hypnotherapist. I went to school for that
around the same time I was starting my journey with
everything and That is the most important thing, if you
ask me, getting into meditative states, sitting in nature, you know,
getting close to nature. You know, you think about animals
and how like they sense things and they know things,
and you know, you see a cat staring up at
the you know, the corner of the wall or something.
They see things, they know things. If we were more
quiet in our minds, I think more people would see
and feel and know and have better judgment for themselves, right.
I Mean we talk about psychic mediumship and working for
others as I do for a living, but it's so
important to have your own intuition and to be able
to like get inside yourself and know what's best for you,
because really no one knows what's best for you but you,
I mean you know better than anybody. You have all
of that information ready to download at any moment, you know.
But when we're so busy in this material world, it
makes it tough. So yeah, definitely pay attention, pay attention.
Speaker 1: You know with meditation, Like for someone like me. Again,
it's hard when I have busy brain to quiet my
mind and be able to get into a meditative state.
But yes, that's the thing is when people don't realize
we're condition from a very early age that this is
what what's real, this is what you believe. I remember
growing up and I had things happening. I would hear
my name being called and it sounded like my mother.
I'd go in the other room, I go, what do
you want because I didn't call you? Yeah, and I well,
I I heard you call me, And she goes, oh,
you're just hearing things or it's just your imagination.
Speaker 2: I heard.
Speaker 1: I heard those two sentences so often.
Speaker 2: Correct, I'm sure you did, because we all do.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: It's like, no, that's not really happening. I would say
to my mom, I hear aunt so and so. We
call them zizzy In Italian, I'd say, i'd hear dizzy
and whoever upstairs again, they're not upstairs. There were people
that passed away. I would hear them and they would
like laugh and they'd be like, I'm like, I'm having
a party again. That's what I should say, They're having
a party again. Because I would just hear all this scattered,
you know, information coming in and I sometimes couldn't even
understand what they were saying. It was like being in
a party and just hearing all the distant chatter around you,
you know, and you know, Look, I've said I wanted
to write a book even about like between, like the
line between like being psychic schizophrenic, Like what's what is
there such a thing as schizophrenic? Is it all spirit?
What is it? But either way, if you're doing this work,
you need to stay in the light. You need to
stay positive. You shouldn't be doing this work when you're sick.
You don't want to do this kind of work when
you're feeling like, you know, very anxious or negative thoughts
or anything that you want to stay away from that
and keep yourself in a higher space, high vibration, so
that you know what you're attracting. You know, you shouldn't
have fear doing this. You're having fear, you probably shouldn't
do it. Not saying you shouldn't have fear of your ability.
Some people are the best mediums because they're so concerned
with getting the right information. But being afraid of what
you're drawing in or being afraid of this type of work,
don't do it because you want to stay in the
light and you want to make sure that the thoughts
are pure, you know, and if you have thoughts that
come in that are and you want to get that.
I always tell people all about checking yourself out with
a doctor too. You know, I've been under doctor's care
forever for different things. My family suffers with anxiety. You know,
I have nothing like schizophrenia, but I've had doctors all
my life, so I know that. You know, it's not
an issue. But just tell people, especially with kids like
you know, make sure you know what they're you know,
not saying there's anything wrong, because there's probably not, but
it's always good to watch and not assume one way
or the other, not to assume there's mental illness, and
not to assume that it's all psychic mediumship. There's and
there's a fine line that we don't I mean, really,
how much do we know about all of it? You know,
there's so much we just don't know about the mind,
which is.
Speaker 1: About the mind, about our reality, what comes in and
out of what we think of as reality. That's why
I'm doing this show, is to talk about what we
think of as reality and what's really going on.
Speaker 3: That we will turn a blind eye to.
Speaker 1: And there's so many people out there that poo poop,
you know, psychics or people people getting downloads or picking
up on information. They just don't want to hear it, right.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, it's.
Speaker 1: One thing I wanted to bring up. You're talking about
being positive.
Speaker 3: When you're getting into.
Speaker 1: This work, but sometimes there is some things out there
that can be less than positive. Sure, and wondering if
you could talk a little bit about that and if
any experiences you.
Speaker 2: Might have had so I for me, I find having
a very strong boundary as you would have with anyone.
You know, you don't want spirit coming into your bed
at night waking you up because you have to work.
You still have your physical body here, so if you're
working with spirit, you still need to stay human. Right,
So if your neighbor walked into your house at midnight
and was keeping you awake, you would throw them out.
So I think when there's there there are some things
like that. But if you keep your vibration high, you're
less likely to be attracting the lower vibration. It's kind
of like we have to help people understand. We have
to put it into our dimension in our world. If
you are walking through a mall and you're a young
woman and you're friendly and you're approachable, or you're vulnerable,
looking you are more likely to be a victim of someone.
Same thing with the spirit world. If you're coming across
strong like here's the work I do, do not come
near me, you know, and you kind of have that presence,
you have a lot less chance of having to encounter. Now,
not saying like, because if I do power normal work,
obviously I'm in a realm where I'm open to whatever's there.
But my boundary is what keeps them from actually being
able to affect my life and my energy. So you
but when you are in a depressed state and a
very anxious thing. And I'm not saying on and off
we all have that, I'm saying, if you're really in
a dark space, that's not a good time to be
opening yourself up to this kind of work. You want
to get yourself cleared out, work on you psychologically, spiritually,
get your vibration up, and then work with it. So, yeah,
we're going to encounter things, you know, There's always going
to be that. And I've had some experiences where I
had a woman that passed away and this wasn't even
a negative entity or anything. It was just someone that
passed away and I felt her more than saw her.
And I was doing like a group at the time,
and she had drowned, and then I was in I
came home and I did a cleansing bath and I
closed my eyes and I was relaxing, and as I
started to meditate, her face just jumped in front of me,
and it was it was not a pretty sight, you know.
So I was like, whoa, Okay, I'm like, okay, you know,
let's not I need to let you go, you know whatever,
which is part of why I do the cleansing, so
that if anything's still there, I can release it. But
a negative energy. I'm trying to think if I've had
any kind of huh, you know, I'm sure I have,
but because I don't really give it energy, I'm not
really thinking about it at the moment because that's my
whole thing. I just don't give it energy. So even
if it happened, it's like, Okay, that happened, and now
I've gotten rid of you. You're gone, and I'm done.
But I know I've had some little things here and
there are just not that much because I've such a
strong boundary about how I'm going to allow anything into
my energy.
Speaker 1: You know, And the investigations I've done. I haven't ever
come across anything so dark that I don't like the
word demon or demonic.
Speaker 2: I dam, I don't use it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a yeah, it's more complex than that. But
there are there are some entities or even human spirits
who maybe a human spirit hasn't passed over, maybe they
weren't the most pleasant person in life right and while
they're sticking around after they've died, there's still not the
most pleasant person. I've walked into a couple of homes
where all of a sudden I was feeling oppressed. I
was feeling my heart started pounding. It was almost felt
like a pennic attack, and it took me a minute
to realize that the spirit didn't like me for some
reason out of everybody else there, and was trying to
get me to leave. The very first time it happened,
I had to walk outside gathering my thoughts. When I
walked back inside, it started again, but I kind of
knew what I was up against, and I was able
to pretty much mentally say back off, I'm not going anywhere,
and continue the rest of the investigation.
Speaker 2: That's the kind of boundary you want to have, because
you are going to deal with that, especially when we
do the paranormal work. And I do remember, as we're
talking about this, I did an event with you at
a house and in that space, I remember as I
was feeling the spirit in the corner of a bedroom,
I think it was one of the detectors went off.
I think it was the heat and cold sensor or
whatever that area. And then as it came, I said,
I feel it leaving, and it like pushed me back.
And I've never had that happen before, but it like
pushed me back a bit, like physically forced me back
against the dresser a little bit as it left. And
then and the meter had also dropped off at the
same time, it like, you know, so I we do
remember that feeling like whoa, that was like not pleasant,
and I think I was getting the sensation of being
pushed down the stairs and it ended up that that
was one of the issues I think they were having
in that house. So I had you know, I have
had some some stuff like that, but I think I don't.
It's like I said, I keep myself in a higher vibration,
so those things happen, you know, in psychic work. This
is one of the things that scares people about psychic
work is that we do usually have a tendency to
think about the negatives. It's how life is, you know,
our fears are strong, so we have a tendency a
lot of times to remember the things that happened that
we predicted a death, or we predicted you know, where
we dreamt this was going to happen, and then we
saw it, and it's like, oh my god, I don't
want this. You know. Some people would even blame the
psychics for it and say, like, well, they said this
was going to happen, and then it happened. It's like, no,
you're you're just seeing what's about to happen. So people
get afraid to actually delve in because they don't want
all the negativity. But I don't really even remember it
because I've learned from Janet to just kind of stay
in the light. So when those things happen, they're going
to happen. I've predicted things, I've seen things, and you know,
and you can kind of control that too. Like I
just had a client of mine who I've known for
a while. She's young, and I've asked spirit to stop
showing me if someone's going to pass away, and I
have and I can't help them. Show me only if
there's something that I can do, because I do a
lot of medical mediumship. And so I had said to
her she was thinking of moving to Florida, and I said,
you know, I don't know. I'm not sure, I said,
And then I said, you know what I do see
an estate sale. I feel like you're going to be
selling everything like someone's She's like, how, I'm a hoarder.
I have things everywhere. I said, Well, I can always
help you clear things out. I said, but you're you know,
it's like an estate so you're just going to have
somebody come in and they're just going to come through
the house. And then I found out from her mother
she passed away like a few weeks later, and she
was talking to me about doing an estate sale, and
I was just like, oh my god, I talked to
her about this, so and so of course you're going
to remember that, like, oh no, And then you know,
I didn't see. Why didn't I see she passed? Like, well,
because you asked not to, you know, but I saw
what was coming. And it's just a matter of not
not focusing on all of those things. And seeing all
of the things that you say, because you might get
a message to not go to the left and you
don't even pay attention to it. Don't go left, go right,
or don't go that way, take the highway, and all
of those things are psychic messages that we're getting that
are saving our lives or putting us on the right path,
and we don't pay attention to those as much because
they don't stand out the same way.
Speaker 1: So well, when people are trying to approach or find
a psychic medium, is there anything that they can do
to make sure they're picking the right person? Because I'm
sorry to say it, there are a lot of people
in this in this business that shouldn't be doing it. Yeah,
either they're outright frauds or they maybe have a little
bit of ability, but they're nowhere near as good as
they think they are. Right now, I've been around a
few people like that. You know, what advice would you
have for anybody who's seeking out a psychic medium for
reading or for any other type of work.
Speaker 2: Well, so the first thing I always say is to
get a referral. I've been all referrals for thirty years.
So now I'm on Facebook, a little bit. But I
just have my little group of people of my friends,
you know, and whoever refers, and they want to join
my Facebook page. And so I really don't promote. I
don't have a website. I don't do any of that.
People will say, where's your website. I'm like, I'm a
hidden gem, you know, excuse me. But with that said,
you also want to find somebody that's not ego, you know, driven.
It's not about ego. And again Janet as my mentor,
it's not about ego. We all have gifts. Everybody has gifts.
Whether you're an artist, a singer, you can cook well,
you're the best at cleaning, you're you know, you're a
great animal person, whatever you have to offer the world,
we all have gifts. So just because you're a psychic
medium doesn't mean you're like something. You know, so above
and beyond, it's it's just that's your gift. So one
of the things is to find somebody who's very down
to earth, who's not trying to like prove themselves to
you or you know. And and also I would say,
so always a referral, I think, you know, go to
somebody who says to you, I went to this person,
they were great. You know, you should not going to
say you can't leave there you're not feeling great, because
sometimes I have to give information that you don't like.
You know, you don't want to hear it. But you
shouldn't be leaving there feeling like you have a dark cloud.
And if you don't buy the candle for five hundred
dollars something's good. That is not real, it's not true.
We have the power of prayer, we have God within us,
like we can push away negative energy on our own.
So I think making sure that you're with somebody who
someone you know has gone to or has you've seen
like a lot of referrals and things like that from
would be the number one thing I would say.
Speaker 3: I would also tell people go with your gut.
Speaker 1: If let's say you whether you're meeting someone you're trying
to figure them out if they're good or not, or
even if you're in the middle of a reading, and
if you're not feeling good about it, if something feels
off it is, yeah, that's your intuition telling you that no,
this isn't good. There was a psychic medium who share
you one to one time, and she said you have
this negative attachment around you. I can get rid of
it for two hundred dollars. It's like no, so yeah,
you use your own discernment, listen to what your body
tells you. But I tell people all the time your
body gives you signals, and don't just blow it off.
You know, whether you're getting a tingling in your scalp,
which I get all the time, yeah, or anything else,
shortness of breath oring, you know, little anxiety or whatever
that seems out of place, then listen to that, look
at the situation you're in, and then make a decision.
Because your body, or your intuition, spirit or even spirit
is trying to give you a message.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. I tell my clients all the time. I always
say take it with a grain of salt. And they're like, well,
you're always right. I'm not always right. It may and again,
because it blows people's minds, I say, even if I'm
seventy percent right, I'm still not always right. I'm thirty
percent not right. You know what I mean, You're not
going to be one hundred percent. And we get things
in signs and symbols. So sometimes I'm seeing a sign
and it might be Florida to me, or maybe it
has to like say, I see a dolphin, let's just
for me. A dolphin might mean breath, breath work, breathing,
or it could mean Florida. It could mean a lot
of somebody collected them. And I have to like mind
map it as I call it and go further with it.
But what if I'm getting it wrong and so I
missed something. You know, trust your instincts, because maybe it's
that there's somebody in Florida that's going to invite, you know,
send you an invite, or maybe there's something with your breathing.
But also if it's scary, I tell people too, like listen,
take it in, hear what I'm saying, keep it in
the back of your head, don't dwell on it, because
again I'm a certified hypnotherapist, so I know what the
brain can do. I also don't want to give people
information that's going to create a problem. So take it in,
take it with a grain of salt, or write it
down and leave it there and pay attention to you
and how you're feeling. And if something comes up that
feels like it makes sense to what I was saying,
then you know, that that's something that's accurate for you
to you know, heed the advice. But I always tell
people trust your instincts over mind. I do this for
a living, and yet still I say the same thing
with doctors. Advocate for yourself. You can go to a
doctor and this person has all this schooling to tell
him what's wrong or her what's wrong, but they might
be wrong. I've saved many a life saying I'm sorry,
but I don't feel that, and I think you need
to still address this. No, they said, no, I'm telling you.
I have all the cardiac exams. I'm telling you like
I'm not trying to scare you, but this is what
I feel, and I tell them. And if you're still
feeling that, then heed my advice and trust your body.
Like you said, you know when something feels right or
feels wrong to you. So regardless of what a psychic says,
regardless regardless of anything, we're not God either, you know, So.
Speaker 1: It's trusting you in your own intuition. Wait, everybody has it,
whether they want to admit it or not.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I but no, you go ahead. I also
think that's why we don't read ourselves right, because we
could we could very easily not be listening to our
instincts and getting caught up in fears or what we
hope to be true. So when we're pulling cards for ourselves,
not saying we don't do it, but we have to
be very careful of what we're seeing, Like, really look
at that and say, is this something I want to
see or is this something I'm so afraid of that
I'm seeing that in the cards. Because when I do readings,
even if I do a phone reading a lot of
times I'll send pictures of the cards to people and
I'm looking at a card yesterday and this girl's like, oh,
this card looks like this, that and the other. I'm like, oh,
I'm not getting that at all. But because she was
afraid of that, she picked something out in the picture
to her that was scary. So then you have to ask,
you know, do you do this work often? Do you meditate?
Are you are you very in two with your intuition
or are you basing this on your fears? You know?
So it's a complicated, complex world, you know that we
work in.
Speaker 1: Absolutely I wanted to throw a scenario at you and
get your thoughts on it. For anybody else who might
be in the situation. And again getting back more to
paranormal experiences. The very first house I lived in when
I moved here to New Jersey twenty six years ago,
time flies, and you know, it was an old nineteen
thirties converted cabin in a lake community, Okay, and I
when I moved in, I started having experiences. I would
hear my name being called. I started. I had a
video camera, and this is what got me into the
paranormal research is I would film things that should not
have been there, okay, But then the one thing that
happened several times was I would get sleep paralysis. I've
never had sleep paralysis in my life, and since then
I've only ever had sleep paralysis in that house. Never
again interesting, and so I would with people who have it.
I mean, my experience was I would wake up, I
was conscious, I couldn't move, I couldn't move, and then
it would feel like there was this energy floating like
above my chest around me, and I couldn't speak, I
couldn't move. But for me, I never get scared with
these things.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So I was trying to think in my head, what
do you want? And then the energy would get more intense,
to the point where I say, okay, no, you're done,
go way, go away. I'd throw up my own lighter
protection or whatnot. It would go away. And the the
last time I had one, I was lying in bed
and I woke up and I was paralyzed again. And
then I kept hearing a man's voice whispering in my
right ear, okay, whispering desperately. I couldn't understand what he
was saying, okay, and so in my head again I'm
not afraid, I was trying to tell whoever this was, look,
you need to slow down. I can't understand you. But
every time I said that, he seemed to get more
and more agitated, till finally the last time I felt
I never saw it, but it felt like he was
in front of this far in front of my face,
screaming at the top of his lungs. And that's when
again I said, Okay, that's it, You're done, and I
imagine pushing him out the window behind me, and he
went away. And then oh, I mean, I just came
out of it. But again, it never frightens me well.
Speaker 2: Which just goes to show with the imagining you pushed
him out the window, right. I always say that you're
imagination is real. So when we talk about hypnosis doing
past life aggressions, and I say to people, if you're
imagining it, it's real. So I think I'm just imagining.
Just tell me what you see, because that is your
subconscious You're going in there and you're you know, so
you're feeling like you're imagining it, but what you were
really doing is your energy was pushing that energy out.
So with sleep prouses, I am not a fan, and
I've had it on and off throughout my life and
there are different feelings that I've gotten from this. One
of them is what sounds like was happening to you
is spirit gets way too close to our energy. We
need to keep a boundary from them. And when they
we're vulnerable when we're sleeping, so they come in so
close that they actually affect our energy field. So what
happens is it almost kind of creates a vortex of energy.
It pulls our energy out. So when mediums try to
like mediums that go in the cabinet and which you know,
people will try to manifest like the know, the plasm plasma,
whatever you call it, the mist or try to manifest
a rose to fall or whatever you would have to
allow in that circle for energy to come from your
body to manifest that energy, because the spirit cannot do
that alone. They need to pull energy from whether it's
your lights. That's why sometimes lights will go out and things.
It's not like they're always trying to create a problem
for you. They're just pulling the energy from what's going
on around them, whether it's you or the circuits, you know,
the energy around So with that said, it sounds to
me like someone was desperate for you to like, you know,
help them, and so they were just kind of like
pulling on your energy. They may have even wanted to
manifest physically for some reason, to get back onto the
earth plane or to do something. They needed more energy
to physically get something done. So I think that sounds
like someone really trying to get your attention. One of
the other things that could happen, which could also be
is the the walk ins as they call it, which
you know, whether you believe in that or not, but
pulling your soul out to get their soul in. So
and then I don't know a whole lot about that
because I don't like you know, work with that so much.
But like they say that, like they can walk in
and then your soul gets kind of left here. So
was that someone's walk in, That someone walked into their
body and their soul got pulled out, so they're trying
to get back into another body to get back into
the world.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's it's a complicated thing. But that's another theory.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, walkins, I'm trying to interrupt you with walkins.
I've heard different theories on it. One is that the soul,
your soul for whatever reason, is just done and doesn't
want to continue. So another soul on the other side
agrees to take over for you and literally walks in,
you walk out, and they take over your life. And
people have noticed that some people's personalities have changed, usually
for the better, and they just notice the differences. But
that walk in just continues to live that other person's
life while the soul goes back to source. That's one
version of it, anyway, it is, Yeah, and then there's
possession is a different story.
Speaker 2: Right, And I was going to say, and then the
other version is you didn't necessarily agree to it. They've
decided to come in and say I'm going to take
over now, which to me is still like I see
them both as walk ins, even if we don't call
it that way, because there, you know, again, how we
get downloads. One person gets it this way, someone else
gets it another way. But to me, they're both like
on that same string of how that is happening. And
that's one of the things that can happen for me
when I have not every time, but there were a
lot of times when I would have sleep paralysis, and
so doctors didn't understand it. When I was a kid.
I'd explain it and they'd say, it's sleep paralysis. And
then they I'd say, but like, what is all the
humming that I hear? And they're like, We've never heard
of that. So I've said this a million times because
there's always this very loud, high humming, and to this day,
as much as I love crystal singing balls, there are
vibrations that I'm like, I can't. I don't like the
way it feels. It almost feels like it's taking it's
going to take me literally away. I can't explain it.
And then I had an alien not an alien encounter,
but a UFO encounter when I was in the eighties
with my dad and my sister. We literally saw this
big thing hanging overhead and it had that same humming sound.
So I was up at my It was my husband,
I think he was my boyfriend at the time, up
on Greenwood Lake and in the middle of the night,
this was in the nineties now, there was this huge
light shining in the window and this wow humming and
he was like, what the heck is that? And I
was sleeping and I didn't remember saying it until the morning,
and I said, Oh, it's just it's the UFOs. They're
coming to get water. You know, they'll be gone in
a minute or whatever. I said, And I went and
I slept through it. The next morning, He's like, what
were you talking about. I'm like, what are you talking?
And then I remembered and I'm like, oh my god.
And it just came to me like it was so natural, like, oh,
it's just the because it was that same humming. So
then I wonder, with some of my sleep paralysis, is
it again? How many dimensions are there? How many things
are we dealing with? How many energies? There isn't necessarily
one type of walking, There isn't one reason for sleep paralysis.
There isn't one way of getting information, you know, we
just don't know everything.
Speaker 1: There's another form sleep paralysis can be. A part of
this is when some people are ready to have an
out of body experience, right, you know, the body is
shut down, the mind is still awake, and the buzzing.
A lot of people do report hearing a buzzing. Whitley
Straeber was talking about some of his experiences and would
hear this buzzing sound just before he was able to
leave his body right and have those types of experiences.
So maybe the buzzing again, everything is energy, is vibration,
everything's vibration, so maybe that has maybe that has something
to do with it.
Speaker 2: I have had at of body experiences which I also
don't like. You know, people like buy stones and things
to ashor project. I'm like, I like to stay where
I am, thank you, But I have had and I
have to think back, if I believe I've always had
the humming no matter what, even if I didn't leave
my body, if I just did had the same experiences
like you've had where you feel the pressure and you
can't and I'll actually feel like I can't breathe, like
I feel like I'm suffocating at times, which is the
only time the fear comes in, and then I just
remind myself what's happening so I can walk myself back
out of it. But yeah, i feel like I've always
had the humming no matter what, even if I'm not
leaving the body and I'm totally aware of what's happening
and something is just oppressive. So I'm not sure I've
always had the humming no matter what the experience was.
Speaker 1: So going back to when you talked about your hypnotherapy,
how did you get in for training for hypnotherapy and
specifically doing past life regressions?
Speaker 2: So it was another you know, synchronicities. I was working
with Janet. It was just Herrah and a couple of
handful of people that were working at the church. And
I had offered to help paint our offices while my
kids were in school because they were little, and so
it was just her and I and we were painting
and we were talking, and I had had this interest
in hypnosis. I was reading a lot of books and
reading like many Masters, many Lives or whatever it was,
Many Lives, many Masters, and I was very interested and
she had just brought up that she was going to
this woman in Ringwood for these classes, and I was like,
oh my god, you know that's crazy because I've been
thinking about doing this, so a long story longer, I
decided to get in touch with her and I took
classes with her as well, and that was one of
the things I really wanted to do. So initially, when
you get certified, you're doing more of the clinical work,
so you're working more with anxiety and smoking and you know,
weight loss and stress and whatever. And then I took
the advanced classes with her to do more of the
spiritual work, soul retrieval and past life regression and cord
cuttings and things like that. So that's how I got started.
Speaker 1: Without of course mentioning anybody. Was there someone that you
took through a past life regression that you remember the most?
Speaker 2: One that is really really cool was a young man
that was probably a teenager, and I was friends with
his mom, and he kept having like night terrors all
through his life. He was having night terrors and fear
of dying young. So he had this like anxiety that
was getting overwhelming for him. And I said, why don't
we do a past life regression. Let's see what's going
on here. You know, he's had this since he was
a little boy, and it was a certain age, right,
So like when you come into this life and you
like feel like at this point in time, this might happen.
Sometimes it's because that happened in another lifetime. You have
cell memory or you have you know, energetic memories that
are happening, and you think it's going to happen again.
So I did this whole regression with him, and he
came up with all of this stuff about an airplane,
and I think we had the flight number, like there
was like between the two of us, because when I
do a past life regression, sometimes I'm also getting information
for this person on that life or a different one.
And so we walked him through and I took him
into the light to look down on his life. What
did you learn in that lifetime that you needed to
take into this life so you can release that experience.
And so he came out of it. He came to
and he went home and he researched and apparently there
was a plane crash that he in that timeframe in
New York where we came up with all this information
and that was it. I think he had one more
episode of like fear of dying and that was it.
And now he's in his twenties, maybe thirty, and never
again had another issue.
Speaker 3: So that's why I.
Speaker 1: Honestly feel that's where a lot of phobias come from.
Speaker 3: Either.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you can have trauma when you're young
and then have phobias later. But some of it are
also can be attributed to a past life experience too.
That's bleeding over. Maybe that's something that that person has
to work out now in this lifetime, right because of
whatever trauma.
Speaker 2: That was absolutely and sometimes with a past life regression, right,
I mean, we're working with the mind again, we're working
with energies. Maybe you are going to your childhood. Maybe
there's something you saw, maybe you read about this, maybe
you saw it on the news, and you you know,
you're having that memory still and so we're doing a
past life regression. And maybe it's this life regression that
you just didn't go into a past life. You saw
these things happening, but it could still be just what
was in your cell memory. You could have been watching
this at one year old, or maybe your grandfather experience
something and it's in your cells. You know. Again I'm
very open to you know, I call it past life regression,
But is it this life regression? Is it cell memory?
Because there's so many things that are happening, you know,
kind of like all the different dimensions happening at once
that I don't like to just like, well it's this.
So it's that, you know, like maybe it's not past life,
but still the past life regression is what brings you
to that healing. So to me, that's all that really matters.
You know, I don't care how we get there, as
long as we get to the healing exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: Well, we're coming up towards the end of the program here.
Now you are on Facebook and people you know, you
work with referrals.
Speaker 3: There so no website.
Speaker 1: But your book is it still available that people can
purchase it is?
Speaker 2: It's available on Amazon and I believe it's Amazon dot
com and Barnes Andnobles dot com. And it's what it
is is it's actually a workbook. So it's actually done
in a way that it talks a little bit about me.
And then there's questions and answers, like all the questions
that people have asked me in my life about this work.
I answer them. So I put the question, I answer
to my best ability. And then there's pages that you
can write your own experiences and things on so that
you can work with your own because it's finding or
being an ethical reader.
Speaker 1: So fantastic. Well, Patty, thank you so much for coming on.
Really excited to have you on here. And you know
we've got to talk about doing some of these investigations
here soon.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm doing something at a theater up in Sussex
Friday that I here is haunted, so I'll have to
talk to the owner and see maybe if it's something
we can get into.
Speaker 2: Very fun. Can I tell you one quick story before
we end? Or you absolutely the one more story. When
my dad was passing, he was passing away and he
couldn't speak, and he was in on hospice, on the
medications and he wasn't speaking anymore, and out of nowhere,
I said, Dad just told me he's going to show
me a metal anchor to let us know that he's okay.
My whole family was around. So the next morning he
passed in the evening, in the middle of the night,
and the next morning we're going through pictures and things,
and my niece was here and I said, can you
grab me that black folder over there, that's Grandpa's artwork.
I want to put it out for the memorial service.
Well she grabs the wrong one and out falls a
metal anchor, and my sister is sitting My sister, my
mother was sitting in the chair like stunned because she
doesn't believe any of this. This is what fell out
of the book that she picked up. Not only is
it a metal anchor, but it's a medal from my
nephew in the service that my add pictures of him
and the medal with the anchor in the book. So
literally within twelve hours of him passing, and my whole
family knew because I told them straight out what was
going to happen. So that was like one of the
best pieces of evidence ever.
Speaker 1: So fantastic, pretty cool. I love when things like that happened.
Speaker 2: It was wild.
Speaker 1: Okay, well we will be going, but we'll talk with
you soon. I'll probably have to have you back again
in the near future.
Speaker 2: Sure sounds great, Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well that was Patty Lehman Ellie h m a
n And you know, like I said, before. Patty's a
really good friend of mine. You could tell them the
way we're talking. I wanted to clarify something the way
I was talking in this show with her. I do
not consider myself a psychic medium. I realized I was
talking like.
Speaker 3: One with her.
Speaker 1: I have had many experiences in my life. I've been
kind of training on some things. I do read cards
and whatnot, but it is not a full time thing
for me yet. So I just wanted to clarify that
a little bit. Patty's been doing it, like she said,
for thirty years, so I just wanted to say that.
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