WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.360 --> 00:00:03.480 Joining me live in studio a fourteen year old teenage girl? 2 00:00:03.839 --> 00:00:05.240 Uh, what what is this? Porter? 3 00:00:05.320 --> 00:00:05.519 What? 4 00:00:05.519 --> 00:00:06.879 What did he make you play? What is this? 5 00:00:08.279 --> 00:00:08.320 So? 6 00:00:08.480 --> 00:00:09.480 Madison beer? 7 00:00:09.800 --> 00:00:12.919 Madison Beer? Also, what do we want familiar? What are 8 00:00:12.919 --> 00:00:14.000 we watching on television? 9 00:00:14.759 --> 00:00:16.760 I don't know. It was John Cena hosting wipe Out 10 00:00:16.800 --> 00:00:17.480 a minute ago. 11 00:00:17.800 --> 00:00:20.000 Which was no better than what we're watching now. It's 12 00:00:20.000 --> 00:00:25.039 some TNT movie. Dave Fox You okay with the headphones, with. 13 00:00:25.000 --> 00:00:27.359 The headphones, but I'm making it work. You think this 14 00:00:27.440 --> 00:00:28.359 place could afford? 15 00:00:29.160 --> 00:00:31.000 Okay? Did you say I got half an ear in 16 00:00:31.199 --> 00:00:32.759 Madison beer? Madison Beer? 17 00:00:32.840 --> 00:00:35.880 Yeah, fifteen minutes was the name of that song, all right, 18 00:00:36.039 --> 00:00:37.679 which is about how long I'm Gonna lie? 19 00:00:37.920 --> 00:00:41.079 That sounded like like Sabrina Carpenter like pop? 20 00:00:41.399 --> 00:00:42.159 What is that? 21 00:00:42.240 --> 00:00:44.520 Well, it's I mean it's it's basically d M. But 22 00:00:44.840 --> 00:00:49.000 she's yeah, she's a pop artist. It's still got a 23 00:00:49.000 --> 00:00:49.960 couple of really good songs. 24 00:00:50.000 --> 00:00:51.640 When did you get into ed M music? 25 00:00:51.640 --> 00:00:54.840 I've been in my entire life really so weird. I 26 00:00:54.880 --> 00:00:55.840 mean possible. 27 00:00:56.479 --> 00:00:58.799 It was new it was called new wave. They didn't 28 00:00:58.840 --> 00:01:02.960 have EDM. Well, disguise is a different name. Okay, that's funny. 29 00:01:02.960 --> 00:01:03.920 That's a good point. 30 00:01:03.960 --> 00:01:06.599 Now, So you've you've always been in like house music. Yeah, 31 00:01:06.640 --> 00:01:08.799 I like house music when you were DJ Dave Fox. 32 00:01:09.079 --> 00:01:12.319 And I also like like, you know, eclectic me like 33 00:01:12.560 --> 00:01:14.840 ny that kind of thing. 34 00:01:14.920 --> 00:01:17.200 Let's rock a little before you get out of it. 35 00:01:17.400 --> 00:01:19.599 I don't ever give you that you know, or or 36 00:01:21.400 --> 00:01:24.040 I'm a big enigma. Yeah, I'm a big enigma guy too. 37 00:01:24.760 --> 00:01:26.359 Okay, so you just run the spectrum. 38 00:01:26.439 --> 00:01:30.000 Yeah, Moby Moby, he does a little bit of everything. 39 00:01:30.040 --> 00:01:32.959 And and to be clear, you're not constantly taking molly 40 00:01:33.000 --> 00:01:34.680 and listening to DM house music. 41 00:01:34.799 --> 00:01:36.200 You are drug free? 42 00:01:36.560 --> 00:01:39.000 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, I'm just making sure because 43 00:01:39.040 --> 00:01:40.040 most people love E d M. 44 00:01:40.079 --> 00:01:42.239 They like the glow sticks and you know all that stuff. 45 00:01:42.280 --> 00:01:43.840 I just like I like the beat. I like the 46 00:01:43.879 --> 00:01:44.280 sound of it. 47 00:01:44.480 --> 00:01:44.640 You know. 48 00:01:44.920 --> 00:01:46.719 That's what I'm rocking when I'm driving down the screen. 49 00:01:46.760 --> 00:01:50.560 Well, you're an upbeat, positive guy. I've always been a 50 00:01:50.640 --> 00:01:53.920 glass half full, always have you? 51 00:01:54.400 --> 00:01:55.959 Sure? All right? So are you? 52 00:01:56.000 --> 00:01:57.159 I'm always looking forward? 53 00:01:57.719 --> 00:01:59.000 Are you glass full? 54 00:01:59.280 --> 00:02:03.400 About the Utah Jazz offseason project with a new basketball 55 00:02:03.480 --> 00:02:04.640 decision maker in charge? 56 00:02:04.840 --> 00:02:06.879 Well, if you're asking me about the hire, I think 57 00:02:06.920 --> 00:02:08.639 it's good. I think it's too you know what. 58 00:02:08.759 --> 00:02:11.400 We spent hours after this announcement trying to figure out 59 00:02:11.439 --> 00:02:14.680 exactly what the hierarchy was, and Ryan Smith made it 60 00:02:14.840 --> 00:02:19.560 very clear that Austin Age is the guy. He an 61 00:02:19.599 --> 00:02:22.159 Ange even you know, mentions that he did, you know, 62 00:02:22.280 --> 00:02:25.879 wisely mention that everything runs through Ryan. Ultimately he is, 63 00:02:26.159 --> 00:02:30.159 you know, after all, the governor of the team. So 64 00:02:30.400 --> 00:02:33.319 I and you know, it's not like anybody wants to 65 00:02:33.439 --> 00:02:36.319 throw out the old nepotism thing. Maybe he got a 66 00:02:36.360 --> 00:02:39.000 little help to this kicking off his career, but he's 67 00:02:39.080 --> 00:02:41.240 made a name for himself, we know that, and he's 68 00:02:41.240 --> 00:02:43.240 done a very good job of that. And if he 69 00:02:43.319 --> 00:02:45.560 hadn't gotten this job, he was sooner or later he's 70 00:02:45.599 --> 00:02:48.319 going to be a team president somewhere. It was just 71 00:02:48.439 --> 00:02:51.400 gonna happen. That's the trajectory he's on. And I think 72 00:02:51.520 --> 00:02:54.319 Ryan even mentioned that that he thought that that might 73 00:02:54.400 --> 00:02:56.520 have happened last year and that he missed his opportunities. 74 00:02:56.599 --> 00:02:58.840 So I think it's a good hire. It gives the 75 00:02:58.960 --> 00:03:02.879 organization even more voices, which they probably need. 76 00:03:03.000 --> 00:03:03.719 I don't know how much. 77 00:03:03.759 --> 00:03:05.639 I think we all know Danny doesn't want to, you know, 78 00:03:05.800 --> 00:03:09.080 kill himself working and he shouldn't. He's earned you know, 79 00:03:09.240 --> 00:03:12.879 whatever semi retirement you want to call it. Xana's been 80 00:03:12.919 --> 00:03:15.280 through some health things, so there's a lot of I mean, 81 00:03:15.599 --> 00:03:17.479 this is good, This is really good. 82 00:03:17.560 --> 00:03:18.759 Yeah, I mean the nepotism thing. 83 00:03:18.800 --> 00:03:21.080 In fact, Porter, since Dave brought it up, I want 84 00:03:21.120 --> 00:03:23.800 you to take the opportunity to remind Dave and our 85 00:03:24.039 --> 00:03:26.840 audience what the official stance is of the Drive as 86 00:03:26.879 --> 00:03:28.080 it pertains to nepotism. 87 00:03:28.400 --> 00:03:35.400 Yeah, officially from this show. They tell your sudden this too, Dave. No, 88 00:03:35.560 --> 00:03:36.800 nepotism can't win with him? 89 00:03:37.319 --> 00:03:37.840 Don't like it? 90 00:03:38.759 --> 00:03:41.159 Are we are anti nepotism on the show? Okay, but 91 00:03:41.240 --> 00:03:44.159 that's fine. But that's what I just said. By the way, 92 00:03:44.199 --> 00:03:46.400 my son's an attorney. He's not even in the media, 93 00:03:46.840 --> 00:03:47.599 so that's never. 94 00:03:47.560 --> 00:03:49.599 Going to choosing you of nepotism. 95 00:03:49.719 --> 00:03:52.000 I don't think your son's Walton in here anytime. So no, 96 00:03:52.360 --> 00:03:54.319 I've seen Andrew on the sideline before. 97 00:03:55.039 --> 00:03:57.479 With some sidelines, Fox not a box. 98 00:03:58.680 --> 00:04:01.240 I just want to be clear that the audience knows 99 00:04:01.319 --> 00:04:04.199 the official stance of the Drive as we are anti neputibes. 100 00:04:04.199 --> 00:04:05.919 Well, then I'm guessing you agree with me that there 101 00:04:06.000 --> 00:04:10.039 isn't a blatant piece of nepotism on this or do 102 00:04:10.159 --> 00:04:10.840 you not agree with me? 103 00:04:10.919 --> 00:04:11.759 No, Dave, it's a bit. 104 00:04:12.360 --> 00:04:14.759 It's a bit because our textures don't really understand that 105 00:04:14.800 --> 00:04:16.839 I'm being facetious because I have a famous father. 106 00:04:17.040 --> 00:04:19.279 It's a bit that we do on the show. But no, 107 00:04:19.360 --> 00:04:19.800 here's the deal. 108 00:04:19.920 --> 00:04:22.279 Like in my case, I am the famous, you are. 109 00:04:22.480 --> 00:04:23.199 No, here's the deal. 110 00:04:23.399 --> 00:04:26.720 Like Danny's pedigree speaks for itself. He doesn't need me 111 00:04:26.759 --> 00:04:29.199 to stand up for him, and Austin's pedigree speaks for itself. 112 00:04:29.240 --> 00:04:32.240 He worked for the Boston Celtics for seventeen years. The 113 00:04:32.319 --> 00:04:34.759 Boston Celtics have been the pre eminent franchise in pro 114 00:04:34.879 --> 00:04:37.639 basketball along with the Lakers, well really forever, but certainly 115 00:04:37.759 --> 00:04:41.279 the modern day edition of the Boston Celtics after they 116 00:04:41.360 --> 00:04:43.560 made it out of that weird like an Swan Walker 117 00:04:43.720 --> 00:04:47.240 phase and started winning championships, Austin's had a front row 118 00:04:47.279 --> 00:04:48.920 seat for all of it. Brad Stevens is one of 119 00:04:48.920 --> 00:04:54.439 the most respected basketball people period, and Danny's been out 120 00:04:54.480 --> 00:04:56.279 of Boston now for I think four and a half 121 00:04:56.560 --> 00:04:59.519 almost five years. If Austin wasn't good at his job, 122 00:04:59.519 --> 00:05:01.959 they wouldn't let him stick around just because he was 123 00:05:02.040 --> 00:05:02.560 Danny's kid. 124 00:05:02.639 --> 00:05:03.160 He left. 125 00:05:04.240 --> 00:05:08.480 He he has a resume that indicates he has qualified 126 00:05:08.519 --> 00:05:11.120 for the job he's been hired for. I find it 127 00:05:11.199 --> 00:05:15.759 interesting that apparently Danny and Justin are reporting to Austin. Yeah, 128 00:05:15.800 --> 00:05:18.800 that part's interesting. But if he just fires his dad, Dad, 129 00:05:19.160 --> 00:05:20.160 you're playing too much golf. 130 00:05:20.399 --> 00:05:22.399 Here's the part I don't get is how and I 131 00:05:22.439 --> 00:05:26.160 don't know that much about how companies, you know, break 132 00:05:26.279 --> 00:05:29.360 down their levels of leadership. But is it the CEO 133 00:05:29.639 --> 00:05:32.920 generally the top guy? Yeah, I had the president. Yeah, 134 00:05:32.920 --> 00:05:34.040 but look, here's here's the deal. 135 00:05:34.120 --> 00:05:34.920 Like, get that. 136 00:05:35.000 --> 00:05:37.920 And Porter brought this up earlier. You know, Danny technically 137 00:05:38.160 --> 00:05:39.800 retired when he left the Celtics. 138 00:05:39.879 --> 00:05:40.519 That's true, he did. 139 00:05:40.680 --> 00:05:43.360 He wanted to move out here, so you know, I've 140 00:05:43.399 --> 00:05:45.079 known the ages of my entire life. Okay, So the 141 00:05:45.399 --> 00:05:49.079 deal with Danny is he's not one of these guys 142 00:05:49.240 --> 00:05:51.319 that just says, you know, I want time to spend 143 00:05:51.399 --> 00:05:53.879 with my family and then goes and travels to Europe 144 00:05:53.920 --> 00:05:54.879 for six months out of the year. 145 00:05:54.959 --> 00:05:57.079 Danny is a committed. 146 00:05:56.759 --> 00:06:00.319 Father and grandfather and wanted to move out to Utah 147 00:06:00.399 --> 00:06:02.839 because the majority of his kids are here, so he 148 00:06:02.959 --> 00:06:06.839 retires from Boston. And also remember he definitely had one 149 00:06:06.879 --> 00:06:08.959 heart attack, and I think he may have had two. 150 00:06:09.879 --> 00:06:12.000 He had heart issues at the end of his time 151 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:15.800 with Boston, so he left to retire to take care 152 00:06:15.839 --> 00:06:18.800 of himself, to move out here to be with his family, 153 00:06:19.759 --> 00:06:22.319 and he did not move out here with a plan 154 00:06:22.439 --> 00:06:29.399 of working for Ryan. Ryan recruited Danny for months before 155 00:06:29.519 --> 00:06:33.240 this transaction actually became official, because Danny made it very clear, 156 00:06:34.040 --> 00:06:36.639 I want freedom to see my grandkids. I like my 157 00:06:36.720 --> 00:06:39.560 tea times at Riverside. I'm going to play golf, okay, 158 00:06:39.680 --> 00:06:42.600 so if you want me involved. It really has been 159 00:06:43.519 --> 00:06:49.560 more or less a quasi senior advisor role. The title 160 00:06:49.639 --> 00:06:53.519 is CEO, but Danny's not a Desions Bank basketball center. 161 00:06:53.519 --> 00:06:57.759 Every day at seven am. He's present for games. I'm 162 00:06:57.759 --> 00:07:00.360 sure he's present for these workouts. I'm sure he's president 163 00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:04.439 draft rooms. But I think this is even a further 164 00:07:04.519 --> 00:07:07.879 indication that Danny might take another step in the direction 165 00:07:08.040 --> 00:07:09.639 of just living the rest of his life the way 166 00:07:09.680 --> 00:07:12.399 he wants to live his life. And I don't begrudge 167 00:07:12.399 --> 00:07:15.519 anybody for paving a pat like if you don't know 168 00:07:15.639 --> 00:07:19.360 what it's like to be a parent, and how badly 169 00:07:19.439 --> 00:07:21.959 you would do anything to make sure your children have 170 00:07:22.120 --> 00:07:23.199 a good path in life. 171 00:07:23.800 --> 00:07:24.639 I don't know what to tell you. 172 00:07:25.120 --> 00:07:29.360 I don't have an issue like so Ryan said, I 173 00:07:29.519 --> 00:07:32.040 didn't tell Danny that I was hiring Austin. No part 174 00:07:32.079 --> 00:07:34.040 of me believes that. No part of me believes that 175 00:07:34.120 --> 00:07:35.639 for a second. We'll get to the other parts of 176 00:07:35.680 --> 00:07:38.399 the stuff. I don't believe either. But if Danny even 177 00:07:38.480 --> 00:07:41.000 had a small part to play in this decision, I 178 00:07:41.040 --> 00:07:42.839 don't have an issue with it at all, because he 179 00:07:42.959 --> 00:07:46.800 is going to potentially step away at some point entirely, 180 00:07:47.439 --> 00:07:49.839 and he knows that his kid's got a great opportunity 181 00:07:49.920 --> 00:07:52.680 to build a team with a job that will take 182 00:07:52.720 --> 00:07:54.000 care of he and his family forever. 183 00:07:54.319 --> 00:07:56.000 It's a great thing altogether. 184 00:07:56.079 --> 00:07:58.079 But again, the bottom line is Austin has a resume 185 00:07:58.199 --> 00:07:59.920 that indicates he has qualified for the job. 186 00:08:00.079 --> 00:08:02.720 Yes, and maybe in Danny's case, we're reading too much 187 00:08:02.800 --> 00:08:05.439 into the title of CEO. Now They'll take, for instance, 188 00:08:05.639 --> 00:08:08.000 a lot of guys who owned big companies, big corporations. 189 00:08:08.160 --> 00:08:09.600 The first thing they do when they retire is they 190 00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:12.319 become what the chairman of the board. Maybe, well, there 191 00:08:12.399 --> 00:08:14.319 isn't a chairman of the board for the Jazz. So 192 00:08:14.920 --> 00:08:18.560 maybe CEO is that version of chairman of the board 193 00:08:19.240 --> 00:08:21.800 in the case of you know how Ryan sets everything up. 194 00:08:22.160 --> 00:08:25.040 But again, getting back to your point, Austin's proven himself, 195 00:08:25.319 --> 00:08:29.399 and he's proven himself repeatedly this year. They stumbled towards 196 00:08:29.439 --> 00:08:32.240 the end, but they didn't panic, like, oh, a certain 197 00:08:32.279 --> 00:08:33.639 team in New York did? 198 00:08:34.320 --> 00:08:34.480 Uh? 199 00:08:35.279 --> 00:08:38.200 Did they did? The Knicks? Did they fire their coach? 200 00:08:38.679 --> 00:08:38.960 Knicks? 201 00:08:39.039 --> 00:08:39.679 And the Jets? 202 00:08:39.720 --> 00:08:41.759 They fired my guy? They fired my guy? 203 00:08:41.840 --> 00:08:43.200 How much did you really like that guy? 204 00:08:43.240 --> 00:08:46.559 Though? Tom? I love them? Okay? Oh yeah, Tom? Forever 205 00:08:46.639 --> 00:08:47.600 he was just assistant. 206 00:08:47.679 --> 00:08:49.080 Why don't they bring back Van Gundy? 207 00:08:49.879 --> 00:08:52.840 He's on the Vegas list of the Vegas released a 208 00:08:52.879 --> 00:08:55.840 list of sads, and Jeff is like, but Malone is 209 00:08:55.879 --> 00:08:56.320 the highest. 210 00:08:56.519 --> 00:08:58.360 Malone is one and one. He's a New York guy too. 211 00:08:59.440 --> 00:09:00.919 I didn't mean to turn right there on that. 212 00:09:01.080 --> 00:09:04.480 No, no, But ultimately I just think it was a 213 00:09:04.519 --> 00:09:07.679 scenario where Danny didn't agree to come work for Ryan 214 00:09:07.759 --> 00:09:09.799 unless Ryan agreed that Danny was going to be able 215 00:09:09.799 --> 00:09:12.759 to have freedom. And I think that that kind of 216 00:09:12.960 --> 00:09:15.360 remains in place, and I think Austin's hiring indicates that 217 00:09:15.440 --> 00:09:18.799 freedom might be something Danny wants. Even more so, Austin 218 00:09:18.919 --> 00:09:21.559 has a reputation in pro basketball is somebody that understands 219 00:09:21.600 --> 00:09:25.200 a cap, somebody that's drafted well, somebody that's conducted workouts 220 00:09:25.200 --> 00:09:27.320 and has been able to find bit pieces to surround 221 00:09:27.320 --> 00:09:28.919 the star players that Boston. 222 00:09:28.600 --> 00:09:30.120 Had and won championships. 223 00:09:30.360 --> 00:09:33.720 Austin Ainge has a championship bring okay, So like his 224 00:09:33.840 --> 00:09:35.080 pedigree speaks for itself. 225 00:09:35.799 --> 00:09:39.159 I do wonder where Xanak is with this entire thing, 226 00:09:39.279 --> 00:09:40.080 and honestly don't know. 227 00:09:40.240 --> 00:09:42.639 But I think I feel like Xanik after his last 228 00:09:44.080 --> 00:09:47.840 medical situation kind of referred to I didn't say he 229 00:09:47.919 --> 00:09:50.480 wanted to step back, but he's he's been through a 230 00:09:50.519 --> 00:09:52.799 lot as well, and maybe maybe this will help him. 231 00:09:53.200 --> 00:09:55.919 Maybe it's not such a bad thing to you know, 232 00:09:56.039 --> 00:09:59.279 you there's a lot that goes into this when you're 233 00:10:00.120 --> 00:10:02.799 looking for players and you're scouting, and you're in you're 234 00:10:02.879 --> 00:10:05.240 in Europe, and you're all over the world, and hey, 235 00:10:05.279 --> 00:10:07.080 the more eyeballs you have, the better. 236 00:10:07.399 --> 00:10:09.120 So but I can't, I don't know. 237 00:10:09.159 --> 00:10:11.120 I've never neither of us have had a conversation with 238 00:10:11.360 --> 00:10:13.080 Justin to ask him exactly what he feel about that. 239 00:10:13.080 --> 00:10:15.279 I thought it was interesting that, well, Danny Ainge was 240 00:10:15.919 --> 00:10:18.200 at the press conference yesterday, but he was kind of 241 00:10:18.279 --> 00:10:20.399 just in the back. He wasn't up on the podium, 242 00:10:21.320 --> 00:10:22.919 and that's the way it should have been. I mean, 243 00:10:22.960 --> 00:10:25.759 it was, you know, the guy that hired Austin and Austin. 244 00:10:25.840 --> 00:10:29.080 But that's a good question. But I'm not as cynical 245 00:10:29.080 --> 00:10:32.519 as you to believe that maybe Ryan didn't tell Danny 246 00:10:32.600 --> 00:10:34.559 he had hired his son. Maybe no, wait, wait a second, 247 00:10:34.600 --> 00:10:37.159 maybe he told him, I'm hey, I'm having some conversation 248 00:10:37.240 --> 00:10:39.799 with your son, but didn't flat out tell him, oh, 249 00:10:39.879 --> 00:10:42.919 I hired him until after he had hired it, or 250 00:10:42.960 --> 00:10:44.000 I'm going to hire him. 251 00:10:44.039 --> 00:10:46.559 Yeah, okay, But again it gets back to the glass 252 00:10:46.600 --> 00:10:47.320 half full. That's me. 253 00:10:47.960 --> 00:10:53.679 I'm you know, you're more America's guests, and you know 254 00:10:53.679 --> 00:10:54.399 there's nothing wrong with that. 255 00:10:54.440 --> 00:10:56.360 We all have our I wish I believe, we all 256 00:10:56.399 --> 00:10:58.840 have our suspicions that Disneyland was a real place and 257 00:10:58.919 --> 00:10:59.919 not a theme park day. 258 00:11:00.399 --> 00:11:02.559 I wish I believed in children's fairy tales too. 259 00:11:02.679 --> 00:11:04.360 I just what do you mean it's not a real place. 260 00:11:04.600 --> 00:11:06.279 I've been going there my whole life. It is a 261 00:11:06.399 --> 00:11:09.120 real place, and it's a lot of fun. I live 262 00:11:09.159 --> 00:11:09.919 in the real world. 263 00:11:10.039 --> 00:11:13.320 Okay, so the other part of me will exist where 264 00:11:13.440 --> 00:11:15.279 I'm a cynic and you're a glass at full. 265 00:11:15.440 --> 00:11:18.879 Yeah, you think they're not gonna tank next year? You 266 00:11:18.960 --> 00:11:22.960 know your buddy asked that question and the answer let 267 00:11:23.039 --> 00:11:27.200 me Yeah. I think Austin's answer was like three words, 268 00:11:27.279 --> 00:11:28.639 you know, it said, you want to see that, you 269 00:11:28.679 --> 00:11:31.039 want to see this here? What's he supposed to say? 270 00:11:31.240 --> 00:11:33.919 He can't literally answer a question that's phrased that way 271 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:36.000 with yeah, we're gonna tank again, let's go. 272 00:11:36.360 --> 00:11:38.600 They got fined for taking they're not. 273 00:11:39.000 --> 00:11:42.919 The question that was asked was asked in such a 274 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:46.440 way that that's the only possible response he could have gotten. 275 00:11:46.559 --> 00:11:48.200 Well, I'm not as cynical as you to believe that 276 00:11:48.279 --> 00:11:49.480 he had to say what he had to say. 277 00:11:49.960 --> 00:11:51.279 He can't say yeah, we're tanking. 278 00:11:51.519 --> 00:11:54.879 So so, ultimately, just no part of me believes that 279 00:11:55.200 --> 00:11:57.279 they are going to put their best foot forward to 280 00:11:57.320 --> 00:11:59.080 try to win as many games as they can next year. 281 00:11:59.639 --> 00:12:03.960 It would actually be the direct wrong line to take. 282 00:12:04.120 --> 00:12:06.639 Hey, that part, I agree with you, but I don't 283 00:12:06.720 --> 00:12:08.320 begrudge Austin's answer. 284 00:12:08.720 --> 00:12:10.600 No, first of all, I thought it was an awesome SoundBite. 285 00:12:10.639 --> 00:12:11.399 I thought it was great. 286 00:12:11.440 --> 00:12:12.919 It was like I dropped them like you're not going 287 00:12:12.960 --> 00:12:14.919 to see that next year, and then boom silence, and 288 00:12:14.919 --> 00:12:16.879 everybody's like, okay, good a new direction. 289 00:12:17.080 --> 00:12:19.279 But the fact that he invoked the word tanking into 290 00:12:19.320 --> 00:12:23.159 the question that made that answer perfectly honest in a way, 291 00:12:23.240 --> 00:12:26.240 because there are so many different ways to manipulate your record. 292 00:12:26.440 --> 00:12:27.840 And by the way, didn't we learn this year you 293 00:12:27.879 --> 00:12:30.159 don't have to finish dead last. Let's be honest. 294 00:12:30.200 --> 00:12:32.039 They just need to be in the bottom eight, right, Yeah, 295 00:12:32.120 --> 00:12:33.039 to preserve well. 296 00:12:33.080 --> 00:12:36.759 And that's the issue, I mean, as much as anything 297 00:12:36.799 --> 00:12:40.000 else this year, based off of where they're at, based 298 00:12:40.039 --> 00:12:42.440 off of what they need, and based off of how 299 00:12:42.559 --> 00:12:46.279 far away they are from not just the top teams 300 00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:48.399 in the West. I mean, there's not a move they 301 00:12:48.440 --> 00:12:52.159 could make to move them from like fifteen to eleven, 302 00:12:52.519 --> 00:12:56.000 let alone fifteen to five. It doesn't exist. So based 303 00:12:56.080 --> 00:12:58.559 off of how far away they are and how much 304 00:12:58.600 --> 00:13:02.399 they need, keeping that draft capital for next year's draft 305 00:13:02.480 --> 00:13:03.679 cycle is as big. 306 00:13:03.600 --> 00:13:06.960 Of a priority as anything else that they do this year. 307 00:13:07.039 --> 00:13:08.960 It just is, I agree, But there's other ways to 308 00:13:09.000 --> 00:13:10.799 do it. First of all, you play every single one 309 00:13:10.840 --> 00:13:14.279 of your young guys like they have been the one 310 00:13:14.440 --> 00:13:16.600 caveat in all this is what do you do with 311 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:21.080 market Because if Marketing is playing every game and these 312 00:13:21.159 --> 00:13:23.039 veterans are playing every game, it's going to be really 313 00:13:23.080 --> 00:13:25.879 hard to stay below eight. I'm'm saying that they're going 314 00:13:25.919 --> 00:13:27.279 to be a playoff team, but that's going to be 315 00:13:27.360 --> 00:13:28.879 more difficult. So they're going to have to kind of 316 00:13:28.919 --> 00:13:32.519 massage that a little bit. Well, that's manipulating minutes, or 317 00:13:32.639 --> 00:13:33.080 trade them. 318 00:13:33.600 --> 00:13:36.879 That's the only So if we're going to say that 319 00:13:37.000 --> 00:13:40.279 what Austin Ams said yesterday was truthful and he meant it. 320 00:13:41.120 --> 00:13:43.879 And the approach now that there's a new boss, okay, 321 00:13:44.000 --> 00:13:46.799 because Ryan told us all he's the boss, and the 322 00:13:47.039 --> 00:13:50.279 edict from the boss is we are no longer unseerious 323 00:13:50.279 --> 00:13:52.919 about competition. We are going to approach this with integrity. 324 00:13:53.000 --> 00:13:57.399 We're going to try our best. This roster is too 325 00:13:57.559 --> 00:14:00.759 good to be one of the bottom four five teams. Now, 326 00:14:01.320 --> 00:14:03.919 if you move off of Marketing and you can get 327 00:14:03.919 --> 00:14:06.039 a lot for lowry, you can't you can't get you know, 328 00:14:07.039 --> 00:14:10.039 a Paul George Donovan Mitchell type haul, but you can 329 00:14:10.120 --> 00:14:13.000 get probably three to four picks, maybe a couple of 330 00:14:13.039 --> 00:14:13.720 young players. 331 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:15.240 I don't even know if you want players, you just 332 00:14:15.360 --> 00:14:17.879 want picks, really well, you have to really young players. 333 00:14:17.879 --> 00:14:18.440 You're right, you have to. 334 00:14:18.679 --> 00:14:20.679 You have to acquire players because you have to match salaries. 335 00:14:20.759 --> 00:14:24.559 But it also wave them. They're good at that wave 336 00:14:24.679 --> 00:14:27.639 lowry no, no, no no. The players that you bring 337 00:14:27.720 --> 00:14:31.919 in a giant package of things, players, draft picks, other assets, 338 00:14:32.120 --> 00:14:33.799 and then you wave the player you don't want. 339 00:14:33.759 --> 00:14:36.480 Well, okay, but he's he's good enough that you can 340 00:14:36.519 --> 00:14:38.519 get three to four picks and probably two to three 341 00:14:38.600 --> 00:14:42.159 young players you want to learn about perfect and who 342 00:14:42.279 --> 00:14:44.679 knows who the young players are. But if the NBA 343 00:14:44.840 --> 00:14:46.600 finds out that the Jazz are willing to move off 344 00:14:46.639 --> 00:14:49.879 of lowry marketing, Austin Ainge will receive multiple phone calls 345 00:14:49.919 --> 00:14:51.960 from other general managers saying, okay, what do you want? 346 00:14:52.679 --> 00:14:56.799 And if if Austin says, okay, let's we'll do four picks, 347 00:14:56.960 --> 00:14:59.480 we'll do three unprotected in one swap, and then we 348 00:14:59.600 --> 00:15:02.480 want these three young players. And all these players are 349 00:15:02.480 --> 00:15:04.559 between eighteen and twenty two, and they're a lot like 350 00:15:04.639 --> 00:15:05.960 the other young players the Jazz have. 351 00:15:06.799 --> 00:15:09.440 You might have to do something with Walker as well. 352 00:15:09.720 --> 00:15:11.360 I don't think there's any chance they do that. 353 00:15:11.720 --> 00:15:11.879 Well. 354 00:15:12.399 --> 00:15:15.399 Walker's good, Walker's really good. He impacts winning. 355 00:15:15.679 --> 00:15:17.960 So if you're going to do the thing where we 356 00:15:18.080 --> 00:15:20.159 are playing our best players every night and we're not 357 00:15:20.320 --> 00:15:23.279 making up injuries and we're not after we get fine, 358 00:15:23.320 --> 00:15:25.759 we're not saying, okay, watch this Walker Kesseler shooting ten 359 00:15:25.840 --> 00:15:27.440 threes a night. If we're not doing any of those 360 00:15:27.519 --> 00:15:31.120 corny things anymore and you're trying your best to win 361 00:15:31.240 --> 00:15:33.840 games based off the personnel you have, you have to 362 00:15:33.919 --> 00:15:34.720 change your personnel. 363 00:15:34.799 --> 00:15:35.399 You're too good. 364 00:15:35.720 --> 00:15:38.679 Because if we are sitting here, Dave, next year at 365 00:15:38.720 --> 00:15:41.960 this time and the Jazz have won thirty four games, 366 00:15:42.080 --> 00:15:44.320 they're in trouble. And Mark Tatum gets up to the 367 00:15:44.360 --> 00:15:47.120 podium and says, and the ninth pick in the NBA 368 00:15:47.279 --> 00:15:49.840 draft goes to the Utah Jazz, and that goes to 369 00:15:49.919 --> 00:15:52.080 the team that's about to win the title because the 370 00:15:52.159 --> 00:15:54.720 Jazz decided they wanted to try really hard this year. 371 00:15:55.200 --> 00:15:55.919 It will step. 372 00:15:56.080 --> 00:15:58.080 It will take the Jazz a couple of steps in 373 00:15:58.120 --> 00:16:01.480 the wrong direction. That is first case scenario is what 374 00:16:01.600 --> 00:16:01.799 it is. 375 00:16:01.879 --> 00:16:04.679 I completely agree with you on that. And whether we 376 00:16:04.799 --> 00:16:08.120 want to call it tanking or roster manipulation. That's gonna 377 00:16:08.120 --> 00:16:09.879 be have to be the way they do this because 378 00:16:09.879 --> 00:16:12.399 they do not want to go through what they had 379 00:16:12.440 --> 00:16:14.639 to do last year, where we all sat there and 380 00:16:14.759 --> 00:16:19.279 looked at Larry Mark and looking perfectly healthy and not playing. 381 00:16:20.399 --> 00:16:23.559 They have to approach it's a completely different way. And 382 00:16:23.720 --> 00:16:26.759 one way would be your right to move him. But 383 00:16:26.879 --> 00:16:28.519 it's not just him, by the way. I mean, John 384 00:16:28.600 --> 00:16:31.720 Collins helps you win games. Colin Sexton helps you win games. 385 00:16:31.759 --> 00:16:32.320 That's my point. 386 00:16:32.440 --> 00:16:35.840 All these veterans, honestly, they in some respects, a lot 387 00:16:35.879 --> 00:16:36.679 of these guys got to go. 388 00:16:37.000 --> 00:16:40.320 I think finally you can move off of Collins and Sexton. 389 00:16:41.399 --> 00:16:43.840 I don't know about Clarkson just because he's not good anymore. 390 00:16:43.879 --> 00:16:46.919 I know everyone loves him, show love, nice guy painted on. 391 00:16:46.919 --> 00:16:48.679 The locker, throw him in, or just keep him on 392 00:16:48.759 --> 00:16:49.440 the team for fun. 393 00:16:49.600 --> 00:16:51.000 But his best years are behind him. 394 00:16:51.080 --> 00:16:53.919 But what changes this year And that's why I continue 395 00:16:53.960 --> 00:16:57.840 to look at the summer of twenty twenty six as 396 00:16:57.879 --> 00:16:59.720 far as the off season that makes sense for them 397 00:17:00.320 --> 00:17:05.319 to actually get in play is this year. Collins, Sexton 398 00:17:05.759 --> 00:17:10.599 Clarkson are on expiring deals. It's the final year their deal, 399 00:17:10.920 --> 00:17:12.960 so instead, like a GM last year is like, wait, 400 00:17:13.079 --> 00:17:15.000 you want me to trade for John Collins, I have 401 00:17:15.039 --> 00:17:17.240