1 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: And we are back with another edition of the Federalist 2 00:00:22,199 --> 00:00:25,960 Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle, Senior Elections correspondent at the 3 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:30,879 Federalist and your experience Shirpa on today's Quest for Knowledge. 4 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:34,439 As always, you can email the show at radio at 5 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:39,200 the Federalist dot com, follow us on x at FDR LST, 6 00:00:39,799 --> 00:00:42,640 make sure to subscribe wherever you download your podcast, and 7 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:46,240 of course to the premium version of our website as well. 8 00:00:46,799 --> 00:00:51,520 Our guest today is Parker Thayer, investigative researcher at Capital 9 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:55,600 Research Center. The folks that bring you influence, watch the 10 00:00:55,719 --> 00:01:03,240 trackers of the nonprofit organizations across the country, across the 11 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:07,439 globe and what they do and who funds them. On 12 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:12,760 that line, who's behind the political theater of no Kings 13 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,799 and is it working? Parker, Thank you so much for 14 00:01:16,879 --> 00:01:19,280 joining us in this edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. 15 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 2: Oh it's good to be back, Matt. 16 00:01:21,439 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: Always glad to have you along with us here as 17 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:29,280 we break down where the money is coming from, where 18 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:33,680 it's going and so many places, Oh yeah, so many places. Indeed, 19 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:39,640 before we get started, though, on today's Quest for Knowledge, 20 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,439 I did want to recognize an individual. I had an 21 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:48,599 opportunity to talk to over the weekend in Phoenix, Arizona, 22 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,879 late last week, I should say, a very nice gentleman. 23 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:55,040 If he's listening in today, he said, he and his 24 00:01:55,400 --> 00:02:02,959 son tune in dutifully to the Federalist Radio Hour. And 25 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:08,439 they always consider themselves to be sherpas, experience sherpas as well. 26 00:02:08,479 --> 00:02:11,439 It's always good to have an experienced sherpa along with us, 27 00:02:12,039 --> 00:02:15,879 and I think Parker there is that experienced sherpa when 28 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:19,960 it comes to tracking these nonprofits. So let's begin with 29 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,759 what we saw over the weekend. Of course, what the 30 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:30,240 accomplice media pandered to the big crowds of No Kings, 31 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:36,680 the Democrat politicians across the country who turned out for 32 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:41,960 this political theater. Who is really behind this, Parker's let's 33 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:42,479 begin there. 34 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,199 Speaker 2: That is a great question, I think, is it. I 35 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:46,960 like to number them as if they're movies. I think 36 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,360 we're in like No Kings, five six. There seem to 37 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:51,680 be as many of them as there are fast and 38 00:02:51,719 --> 00:02:52,759 furious movies. 39 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: That's right. 40 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:59,719 Speaker 2: So No Kings is a complicated question when you're talking 41 00:02:59,719 --> 00:03:06,280 about out funding flows. Traditionally, when you see, you know, 42 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:10,840 protests happening, it's usually you know, in one place, maybe 43 00:03:11,319 --> 00:03:15,280 you know, some group wants the university that they're at 44 00:03:15,319 --> 00:03:18,319 to divest from fossil fuels or something like that, and 45 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,719 so they go and they, you know, march around one 46 00:03:21,199 --> 00:03:26,439 location with one clear goal. No kings has no clear goal. 47 00:03:26,719 --> 00:03:30,479 They don't like kings, and they all protest about it, 48 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,840 except I mean, ironically, one of the things that they 49 00:03:33,879 --> 00:03:37,960 protest mainly over, especially this past weekend, was the removal 50 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,759 of kings. They have kind of morphed into this anti 51 00:03:40,879 --> 00:03:45,520 war movement. Not even there's not even a necessarily an 52 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:47,919 indication that the US is involved in a war right now, 53 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:51,000 but that you know, that point is neither here nor there. 54 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,159 One of the things that they don't like is that 55 00:03:54,199 --> 00:03:58,000 we have removed Maduro, who was essentially the king of Venezuela, 56 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,719 and that we blew up Kamane, who was essentially the 57 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:02,599 king of Iran. They don't like that we blew up 58 00:04:02,599 --> 00:04:06,400 these kings. They're against kings except when we remove them. 59 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,919 But the goal of no kings is very vague. It 60 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:14,840 is mostly a protest movement of being non conservative and 61 00:04:14,879 --> 00:04:18,199 against Donald Trump. That is that those are about the 62 00:04:18,199 --> 00:04:22,519 two most clear goals of no Kings, and since it's 63 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:27,160 so wide in scope and wide in location, No King's 64 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:32,240 protests happen all over the country, there's not a very 65 00:04:32,319 --> 00:04:35,480 clear you know, this group was behind the protest. But 66 00:04:35,879 --> 00:04:37,399 in the case of No Kings, I think the most 67 00:04:37,399 --> 00:04:41,439 clear group behind it is a group called Indivisible. Indivisible 68 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,720 is a kind of a professional organizing group. It's one 69 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:49,079 of the members of what you might call the protest 70 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:52,439 industrial complex. I've seen some people call it. I usually 71 00:04:52,519 --> 00:04:57,040 call it megaphone philanthropy, which is there are It's a 72 00:04:57,079 --> 00:04:59,879 nonprofit group has five or one C three status. Indivisible 73 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,920 Civics is the official legal name of it, although they 74 00:05:02,959 --> 00:05:05,600 also have a dark money quote dark money five oh 75 00:05:05,639 --> 00:05:09,160 one C four that they operate alongside. And I think 76 00:05:09,199 --> 00:05:13,959 they also have pack divisions, which is Political Action committee. 77 00:05:14,639 --> 00:05:18,720 So it's a network, but it is essentially one nonprofit. Uh. 78 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:22,199 It's run by a lady by the name of Leah Greenberg. 79 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:26,399 I think there's also they have a decent sized staff, 80 00:05:26,439 --> 00:05:30,399 but these are all professional organizers. Ezra Levin is another 81 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,439 name you might remember or recognize who is running indivisible 82 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,000 and what Indivisible is doing is a set They're not 83 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:41,680 really running the protests they are in that they're setting 84 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,319 you know, they are working with people on the ground 85 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:48,079 to set up you know, locations and times and maybe 86 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,720 conduct trainings with one or two people to actually run 87 00:05:50,759 --> 00:05:56,439 these protests and you know, kind of shepherd the protesters around. 88 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,639 But in a lot of ways, No Kings is kind 89 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:04,839 of an amalgamation of all of the left leaning activism 90 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:08,120 groups in the country, kind of all screaming in rage 91 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,240 all at the same time. No Kings works with a 92 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:15,920 coalition of I think hundreds of different nonprofit and some 93 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:23,079 for profit and some pack organizations that are have you know, combined. 94 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:26,519 I think Fox News just reported the other day. Az 95 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:31,480 Renomani reported that there's a coalition of five hundred groups 96 00:06:31,519 --> 00:06:34,839 behind this, with something like billions in revenues. Now, is 97 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,680 all of that revenue going to No Kings? Definitely not. 98 00:06:39,079 --> 00:06:43,560 But the scope of that of the network of groups 99 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,079 that's behind No Kings makes it very hard to actually 100 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:49,360 trace what is and isn't funding for No Kings. It 101 00:06:49,439 --> 00:06:52,319 can be confusing for the person who's not you know, 102 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:57,560 plugged into money and politics in this way. So it 103 00:06:57,639 --> 00:07:04,000 is run by Indivisible, but there's dozens hundreds of groups 104 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:08,240 involved with it, and essentially there are the professional organizers 105 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,879 who work for these groups who make a living in 106 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,959 megaphone point per or the protest industrial conflex, whatever you 107 00:07:14,959 --> 00:07:19,680 want to call it. And then, as we saw from 108 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,319 this weekend, and as we've seen it No King's Protest repeatedly, 109 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,920 there's not exactly a lot of enthusiasm. Most of the 110 00:07:25,959 --> 00:07:30,040 people showing up to these protests are how to put 111 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:33,600 this delicately, well, let's not put it delicately. They're old. 112 00:07:33,759 --> 00:07:35,319 They're really old. 113 00:07:35,439 --> 00:07:38,639 Speaker 1: Right, most of them are. Most of them are baby boomers, 114 00:07:39,639 --> 00:07:44,079 and who don't seem to have, like to quote from 115 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,560 an officer and a gentleman, they have no place else 116 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:52,000 to go, and this seems to be it. Let's delve 117 00:07:52,079 --> 00:07:55,639 into that a little bit more. But to me, I 118 00:07:55,720 --> 00:08:00,959 would define this movement and these protests as a gathering 119 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:06,920 of the profoundly mentally ill. A lot of these folks. 120 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:12,160 Most of these folks, though some are just really truly 121 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:16,120 are paid to be there in protest. They don't really 122 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,279 have a dog in the fight other than they're cashing 123 00:08:18,319 --> 00:08:22,079 a check at the end of the day. But that said, 124 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:27,839 this is just a mass concentration of Trump derangement syndrome, 125 00:08:28,399 --> 00:08:33,159 a group of people that really don't understand what a 126 00:08:33,279 --> 00:08:38,320 constitutional republic is. And as you mentioned before, there are 127 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:43,120 people who really don't understand what a king is. 128 00:08:43,279 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 2: Yes, they're opposed to it, but they don't really understand it. 129 00:08:46,399 --> 00:08:50,600 And when we removed two actual as close to actual 130 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:52,639 kings as you can get, and they didn't like it 131 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:58,840 at all. Yeah, it's there are As you mentioned that, 132 00:08:58,879 --> 00:09:01,639 the average age of these protests is like sixty. I mean, 133 00:09:02,759 --> 00:09:05,120 this is not what we saw in the For example, 134 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:09,639 everyone remembers the Summer of Love quote in twenty twenty. Sure, 135 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:14,240 horrible time to be in America. Things were not safe. 136 00:09:14,879 --> 00:09:17,480 There were protests it seemed like every other day. And 137 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:22,000 these protests were mostly populated by young people. Angry young people. 138 00:09:22,159 --> 00:09:25,000 That was who was at these protests. The angry young 139 00:09:25,039 --> 00:09:29,200 people aren't angry anymore. They seem to be actually relatively content. 140 00:09:29,799 --> 00:09:33,080 They're not showing up these demonstrations in nearly the same 141 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:37,000 way or the same numbers. There's no you know, these 142 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:42,080 no King's protests aren't evolving into riots almost for the 143 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,440 most part. I think there's a few rare exceptions in 144 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,039 these cases, which is good not to, don't get me wrong, 145 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,399 that's good, right, but I think the left probably would 146 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,679 prefer that there were more riots. They seem to historically, 147 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,480 they like the tactic of the riot, and they don't 148 00:09:55,519 --> 00:09:57,519 seem to be able to marshal those forces into the 149 00:09:57,519 --> 00:10:00,639 field anymore. And it's because they have. As I mentioned, 150 00:10:00,639 --> 00:10:03,600 there there's no enthusiasm for these protests. It is very 151 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:07,919 much AstroTurf, and they're relying upon essentially people who don't 152 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,919 have anything better to do. You know, you and I 153 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:14,279 we don't really understand, you know. And lots of people 154 00:10:14,279 --> 00:10:16,759 in the conservative movement see these, you know, large protests 155 00:10:16,759 --> 00:10:19,759 and they you know, they say clearly these protesters must 156 00:10:19,759 --> 00:10:21,559 be being paid, and some of them are. I don't 157 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:23,960 want to I don't want to give any misleip. There 158 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,919 is a massive industry for paying people to organize and 159 00:10:26,919 --> 00:10:29,679 show up to protest. That's a huge industry. But most 160 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:31,360 of the people at the No King's protests simply have 161 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:33,480 nothing better to do. And people in the conservative movement 162 00:10:33,519 --> 00:10:35,879 often have jobs to go to, they have important things 163 00:10:35,919 --> 00:10:38,519 to do, they have families to raise. The people at 164 00:10:38,519 --> 00:10:41,200 the No King's protest visually you can see they don't 165 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:44,440 have any of those things going on, and there's a 166 00:10:44,519 --> 00:10:46,720 lot of mental illness, and among the young people who 167 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:48,639 are showing up, and there's a lot of nothing better 168 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:50,480 to do among the older people who are showing up, 169 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:54,759 and Indivisible Civics and the nonprofit networks that are kind 170 00:10:54,799 --> 00:10:58,360 of orchestrating the whole thing, and you know, providing the 171 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,480 small amounts of funding here and there around the country 172 00:11:01,519 --> 00:11:04,679 that are needed to make these things happen. They're more 173 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:08,039 than willing to catch in on whatever amount of enthusiasm 174 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:13,320 they can, as small as it is. So you know, 175 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:19,960 it's you end up with this huge for lack of 176 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,879 a better word, maybe Star Trek fans will get the reference, 177 00:11:22,879 --> 00:11:25,360 but you end up with a board. It's a giant, 178 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,279 hive mind organization. That's what That's what No Kings is. 179 00:11:28,879 --> 00:11:32,840 It's hard to point to one leader aside from Indivisible, 180 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,080 It's hard to point to one leader or one mastermind. 181 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:38,879 It's kind of the collective outrage of a large, a 182 00:11:38,919 --> 00:11:42,440 professional class of left leaning activists who have been totally 183 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:46,000 shot out from the control rooms of power in America 184 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,399 for several years now, and they're very angry about. 185 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: It, very angry indeed. I mean that's what marks this 186 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:59,159 movement in general. And that's I guess, as you mentioned 187 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:03,200 that there's there's not a lot of violence that we've seen, 188 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:09,240 although we saw some of that once again in Los Angeles. 189 00:12:10,039 --> 00:12:16,320 Perhaps a different crowd, different string string of this group. 190 00:12:16,639 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 2: If there are there are a lot of the hard left, 191 00:12:20,279 --> 00:12:23,639 the hard left, you know, kind of people for Socialism 192 00:12:23,759 --> 00:12:30,840 and Liberation, which is an organization types those groups. They 193 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,639 loved the Summer of Love, they love twenty twenty. They 194 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:36,440 are desperately hoping that that sort of thing happens again. 195 00:12:36,519 --> 00:12:39,759 But you know, the younger people that they relied on 196 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,600 to make those things happen just aren't here. They're not there, 197 00:12:42,639 --> 00:12:44,960 and so these protests are very boring, and they happen, 198 00:12:45,759 --> 00:12:49,279 I don't I think most people probably didn't even realize 199 00:12:49,279 --> 00:12:53,360 that the No King's protests were happening this weekend. You know, 200 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:57,360 it is interesting to see that the hard left groups 201 00:12:57,399 --> 00:13:01,360 are starting to try and make something happen as their 202 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:05,840 favorite dictators all get either kidnapped or blown up. 203 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:10,039 Speaker 1: Yes, well, I guess that's the question. Then, ultimately, as 204 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:15,159 I asked before, I mean, is this stuff working? Clearly 205 00:13:15,519 --> 00:13:18,960 the usual suspects in corporate media are all on board. 206 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,600 Look at these huge crowds, and I guess that's another 207 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:23,679 question too. I don't know if you've tracked that. You 208 00:13:23,759 --> 00:13:26,120 certainly do track the people behind it and the money, 209 00:13:26,159 --> 00:13:32,440 But are these crowds that they're showing. I have seen 210 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:39,480 some indication that in some places AI manipulation is involved. 211 00:13:40,759 --> 00:13:47,039 Are these getting through, these no Kings demonstrations really getting 212 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:52,000 through to actual Americans with jobs? 213 00:13:53,639 --> 00:13:55,879 Speaker 2: I don't think so. And you know, I'm a very 214 00:13:57,039 --> 00:14:02,279 plugged in person, you and I both are, and I 215 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,960 didn't and you know, I'm also doing a trying to 216 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:06,919 stay away from social media for lent this year. But 217 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:12,159 even with their things going on, with those things going on, 218 00:14:14,279 --> 00:14:17,159 I don't think I heard about these. I knew that 219 00:14:17,159 --> 00:14:19,799 they were happening, I didn't hear any details about them. 220 00:14:20,039 --> 00:14:22,519 I saw a few photos that was about the extent 221 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:27,960 of it. These crowds. Are they big relative to you know, 222 00:14:28,039 --> 00:14:32,159 other political crowds of the past. Potentially, But even if 223 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:36,200 they are, it doesn't seem like anyone's particularly excited about them. 224 00:14:36,879 --> 00:14:40,000 It's it's frankly, it's a little disappointing. You know, it 225 00:14:40,039 --> 00:14:44,120 would give me more to write about. So I do 226 00:14:44,159 --> 00:14:46,960 think there's a huge interest in, you know, inflating these 227 00:14:47,039 --> 00:14:51,240 numbers and this, you know is it would not be 228 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,639 the first time that left leaning groups have tried to, 229 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:58,480 you know, inflate the appearance of public support when they 230 00:14:58,519 --> 00:14:59,399 don't really have it. 231 00:15:00,759 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, amazing sorrows money. Is there a lot of sorrows 232 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:07,080 money involved in. 233 00:15:07,039 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 2: This sore at we at Capital Research Center, we have 234 00:15:11,039 --> 00:15:14,000 a saying there we like to say we do love 235 00:15:14,039 --> 00:15:16,360 talking about George Soros. I'm probably the one of the 236 00:15:16,399 --> 00:15:21,360 leading experts on George Sorros in the world. The left 237 00:15:21,399 --> 00:15:25,440 has many soros Is. They have many people who are 238 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:27,440 funding all of the same stuff as him, who have 239 00:15:27,639 --> 00:15:31,200 just as much money as him, probably more, who are 240 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:37,799 also funding these things. For example, with Indivisible Civics, you 241 00:15:37,879 --> 00:15:43,279 have one of their biggest donors is what's called the 242 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,799 Fidelity Investment's Charitable Gift Fund, which has given them something 243 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:52,799 like ten million dollars over the years. These are anonymous donors, 244 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:57,120 usually extremely high wealth are high net worth people. This 245 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:00,480 is a Fidelity Charitable Investment or Fidelity Investments Charitable Gift 246 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:02,639 Fund is what's called a donor advised fund. Some of 247 00:16:02,679 --> 00:16:06,159 your listeners might be familiar with it. It's essentially just 248 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:10,480 a bank account that you can direct your charitable giving through. 249 00:16:10,799 --> 00:16:13,679 So you deposit your charitable donation in a DAFT, which 250 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,720 is a charity, You get your charitable deduction for that contribution, 251 00:16:17,279 --> 00:16:19,879 and then whenever you like, you tell the DAFT to 252 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:23,679 administer that money to whoever you want. So a lot 253 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:27,120 of the money behind Indivisible is coming from donor advised 254 00:16:27,159 --> 00:16:30,039 funds like this, so it's really hard to trace who 255 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,759 the money is coming from. This goes back to those 256 00:16:32,799 --> 00:16:35,440 many Soros as I was talking about. There's a lot 257 00:16:35,519 --> 00:16:38,159 of donors, but Soros is also involved in this deeply, 258 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,360 lots of money to Indivisible, specifically in the past. But 259 00:16:41,399 --> 00:16:44,960 then we talk about the board and the network of 260 00:16:45,039 --> 00:16:50,080 organizations surrounding No Kings and surrounding it invisible. That is 261 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,960 kind of that was already there and is being used 262 00:16:54,799 --> 00:16:58,759 because the Left has a professional organizing infrastructure already in place, 263 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:03,320 something that the Right really doesn't have, not nearly at 264 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:06,720 the scale at least. The Left kind of just used 265 00:17:06,759 --> 00:17:09,720 the existing infrastructure and kind of stapled No Kings onto 266 00:17:09,759 --> 00:17:12,000 that and said, hey, look, this is No Kings now 267 00:17:12,039 --> 00:17:15,440 this nationwide network, this is no Kings, even though you know, 268 00:17:15,519 --> 00:17:18,920 two years ago it was a vast network of very 269 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:22,240 disparate organizations that had many different goals. Now they all 270 00:17:22,279 --> 00:17:24,640 have one goal, which is no Kings, which isn't really 271 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:28,559 a goal, that's just something you say. But yes, Soros money. 272 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,680 It's people who have heard of the Arabell Advisors network before. 273 00:17:31,759 --> 00:17:34,559 That is all over the No Kings protests. The people 274 00:17:34,559 --> 00:17:38,599 who are doing the local organizing, they all have various 275 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:44,519 state affiliate organizations which are all funded by large network, 276 00:17:44,559 --> 00:17:47,759 all of the usual suspects. So basically everyone is funding 277 00:17:47,799 --> 00:17:51,599 No Kings in some way or another, which makes it 278 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,279 very hard to trace what actually is being spent on 279 00:17:54,279 --> 00:17:58,200 this protest. But I would guess it is, you know, 280 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:00,640 a not insubstantial amount of money, thing like tens of 281 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:01,480 millions of dollars. 282 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 3: Why is home sales hit the slowest pace in four years? 283 00:18:08,519 --> 00:18:11,319 The Watched Out on Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski. 284 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:14,240 Every day Chris helps unpack the connection between politics and 285 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,640 the economy and how it affects your wallet. Sales have 286 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:20,200 newly built homes dropped seventeen point six percent, even with 287 00:18:20,279 --> 00:18:24,160 building prices coming down Why are young home buyers so anxious? 288 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,480 Is this another housing market warning sign? Whether it's happening 289 00:18:27,519 --> 00:18:30,039 in DC or down on Wall Street, it's affecting you financially. 290 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:30,640 Speaker 2: Be informed. 291 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:32,559 Speaker 3: Check out the Watch Dot on Wall Street podcast with 292 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,799 Chris Markowski on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. 293 00:18:38,599 --> 00:18:43,640 Speaker 1: I'm curious too, how many of the very wealthy Ola 294 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:47,559 Garks in the phrasey Island she of the Bernie Sanders 295 00:18:47,599 --> 00:18:52,079 of the world. I'm talking about the JB. Pritzkers, people 296 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:54,920 who have a lot of money on the left, who 297 00:18:54,960 --> 00:19:00,640 also have very big aspirations about higher political office. Is 298 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,640 there any money coming from the Pritzkers and crews out there? 299 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 2: I don't know about the Pritzkers. Let's see, I have 300 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,519 a short list of organizations here. We have money from 301 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,359 the Sandler Foundation, which is the money of the late 302 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,839 Herb Sandler. I think his wife may also have now passed, 303 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:22,160 but the Herb Sandler gave them lots of money in 304 00:19:22,799 --> 00:19:27,240 past years and he was essentially he made his money 305 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:33,559 off of the madeoff scam. Really wow, So I believe 306 00:19:33,599 --> 00:19:34,920 it was the made off scam. I'd have been one 307 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:36,279 of the other scams, but I know that they had 308 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:39,039 a I'm fairly confident it was them. 309 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,839 Speaker 1: Well, we do know Bernie made off, made off with 310 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,279 a lot of Americans money, of course. 311 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 2: Yes, Let's see. In recent years though, we've got some 312 00:19:49,519 --> 00:19:52,920 of the top donors. The Schmidt Family Foundation, which I 313 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:57,559 believe and I should verify here real quick, but I 314 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:01,400 believe is the family of foundation of Ron Schmidt or 315 00:20:01,519 --> 00:20:05,920 Rob Schmidt. Let me see, I can confirm this really quick. 316 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:12,160 But he is one of the investors in Google. So 317 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:16,920 we've got the Schmidt Family Foundation behind this. We also 318 00:20:17,039 --> 00:20:22,359 have the Merle Chambers Fund, another you know, kind of 319 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:27,480 a more famous big money pocket. Also, everyone has heard 320 00:20:27,519 --> 00:20:31,839 of the Tides Foundation before. They're giving Indivisibal Civics twenty 321 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:33,920 thousand dollars in twenty twenty four, which isn't you know, 322 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,839 is an enormous amount of money, but that is they 323 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,880 are funding it. And again, the way that nonprofit financing works, 324 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,920 you'll often not hear about the story until after it 325 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,839 has already happened. You might notice this trend with, for example, 326 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,160 the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, which bought all 327 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,200 the mansions. We didn't find out they were buying the 328 00:20:51,279 --> 00:20:55,440 mansions until after because form nine nineties or IRS disclosures 329 00:20:55,440 --> 00:21:00,839 for nonprofits are backdated by two years, So what's happening 330 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,119 now in twenty twenty six, we won't actually see the 331 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:08,559 finances of those organizations unless they voluntarily disclose it until 332 00:21:08,559 --> 00:21:12,160 twenty twenty eight. So it's you know, Indivisible could be 333 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,319 getting one hundred million dollars right now as opposed to 334 00:21:14,319 --> 00:21:16,920 the five million dollars they received last year or not 335 00:21:17,039 --> 00:21:20,279 last year in twenty twenty four, and we just wouldn't 336 00:21:20,519 --> 00:21:23,039 we wouldn't know about it. So it's a little bit 337 00:21:23,079 --> 00:21:26,680 hard to trace funding flows in nonprofits because of that. 338 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:33,480 But in twenty twenty four, let's see some other big donors. 339 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,440 Obviously Fidelity Charitable Investments Give Fund, which I mentioned at 340 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:41,039 Donor Advised Fund. They also have a decent amount of 341 00:21:41,039 --> 00:21:44,640 money coming to them from the Freedom Together Foundation, which 342 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:48,640 I don't know the donor behind that one actually, but 343 00:21:49,039 --> 00:21:51,680 they got six hundred thousand dollars from the Freedom Together Foundation, 344 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:57,559 which is based in New York and seems to be 345 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,400 Oh it's Barbara pickour Is on the board, who is 346 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:07,400 a more famous donor on the left, and lots of 347 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:11,400 other people who I think deep Hok Pergarva, who used 348 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,559 to be in the Biden administration if I'm remember incorrectly, 349 00:22:13,599 --> 00:22:14,640 but I could be wrong about that. 350 00:22:14,759 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 1: No, I think you're right. 351 00:22:15,519 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's on the board of this of the Freedom 352 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:22,160 Together Foundation. It was formerly known as the JPB Foundation, 353 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:27,960 which so it is the Barbara Pickour Foundation. Essentially JPB 354 00:22:28,039 --> 00:22:32,160 stood for I think it was John Paul Barbara or 355 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,839 pick Hour something like that, so that that is the 356 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:39,960 donor behind the foundation. But there's a lot There are 357 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,759 a lot of donors giving various amounts of money, and 358 00:22:44,039 --> 00:22:45,960 a lot of them are also just doing it anonymously, 359 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,839 so it's impossible to tell who is funding no counts. 360 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's has been the difficult part about tracking that, 361 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,759 and it takes time, no doubt about that. As you mentioned, 362 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,079 we don't have this in real time time, and so 363 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:06,160 it becomes extremely difficult. But we do know about a 364 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,799 lot of these groups in their past and where their 365 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,839 commitments have been, and it is safe to assume that 366 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,640 they are back again in many of these cases. Our 367 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:19,599 guest today is Parker Thayer, investigative researcher at Capital Research Center. 368 00:23:19,599 --> 00:23:24,680 They're the great group behind my go to in tracking 369 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:30,599 the nonprofit charity sector, and that is called influence. Watch 370 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,359 whatever you're looking for online, you can follow the money 371 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:38,559 there and the connections the associations, and you'll find that 372 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,839 a lot of these groups have ties on the left 373 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:48,759 to the Obama administration, which is the Biden administration. The 374 00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:50,839 Biden administration, of course, took in a lot of the 375 00:23:50,839 --> 00:23:54,240 folks from the Obama administration, because some would say that 376 00:23:54,319 --> 00:23:58,200 it was really just Barack Obama's third term and in 377 00:23:58,279 --> 00:24:01,559 the auto pen presidency era. I don't think that is 378 00:24:02,799 --> 00:24:07,920 a conspiracy theory by any means. How much of this 379 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:12,319 really is astro turfing. And again, I know it's impossible 380 00:24:12,319 --> 00:24:16,759 to track the money, but there are Indeed, the left 381 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,960 keeps saying, no, this is not the case at all, 382 00:24:20,079 --> 00:24:23,000 and then of course you get the fact checkers from 383 00:24:23,039 --> 00:24:25,920 the media. But you do know you have tracked some 384 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:30,319 of this money going to wages for people to protest. 385 00:24:30,799 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean there is a whole industry they 386 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:42,359 like to call it community organizing that essentially they exist 387 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:47,200 to a big portion of what their work is is 388 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:52,000 doing get out the vote work. But in order to 389 00:24:52,319 --> 00:24:54,559 get people to get out the vote, they have to 390 00:24:54,799 --> 00:24:56,640 get them to show up to a protest, or they 391 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:01,240 can be registered to vote. They can go, can give 392 00:25:01,279 --> 00:25:05,680 their information, their phone number, their emails to people who 393 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,559 can then use put that information into databases where all 394 00:25:09,559 --> 00:25:14,559 these people can be tracked and make you know, they 395 00:25:14,559 --> 00:25:17,960 can make sure that that person votes. They can bombard 396 00:25:18,039 --> 00:25:22,039 them with text messages and calls until they do. You know, 397 00:25:22,079 --> 00:25:24,079 this is a big part of what the No King's 398 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,680 Protest is doing. I'm actually signed up for just for 399 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,799 research purposes. I'm suffering so all of you don't have to. 400 00:25:31,839 --> 00:25:34,799 I am signed up for the No Kings Protest text messages. 401 00:25:35,519 --> 00:25:38,960 So I have been invited numerous times to come out 402 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:43,119 to the No King's protest in my area. I did 403 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:48,599 not decide to go, believe it or not. But yeah, 404 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:53,680 there are these the community organizers, the protest industrial complex, 405 00:25:53,839 --> 00:25:57,799 the megaphone philanthropy industry. It's a very real thing. People 406 00:25:57,839 --> 00:26:00,599 do get paid to show up to protest. Now, it's 407 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,839 not always at the scale that some people assume that 408 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,480 it must be. Because, you know, us being productive members 409 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,279 of society, we have jobs and things to do and 410 00:26:08,319 --> 00:26:11,880 families to raise. We don't understand how people could just 411 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:13,759 take a whole day and go and protest and not 412 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:18,039 think about it twice. But you know, these people, for them, 413 00:26:18,319 --> 00:26:22,640 protesting is a free source of entertainment. You know, this 414 00:26:22,759 --> 00:26:26,200 is I mean we've already commented about the you know, 415 00:26:26,279 --> 00:26:30,039 the average age of these protests this past weekend and 416 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:35,200 the No Kings movement as a whole. For them, I mean, 417 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,559 this is essentially just a retirement home outing. 418 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 1: Like bowling. 419 00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:44,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is this is free bowling night, except instead 420 00:26:44,079 --> 00:26:46,920 of bowling, you go and you stand around and wave 421 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:53,079 signs at things. So you know, it's it is there 422 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:57,119 is there? The truth is always kind of in between 423 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,519 what the left and the right. We'll say about things often, 424 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,119 and you know, some more conspiratoryly minded people assume that 425 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:06,960 all of the note Kings protesters are getting paid and 426 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,680 they're all, you know, everyone's handing out fifty dollars checks. 427 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,240 It's not quite that, but it's also not anything near 428 00:27:13,279 --> 00:27:16,440 what the media insisted is that this is all some organic, 429 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:21,880 you know, organic protest movement that just emerged from the 430 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:26,559 ashes of people's tiers and spoiled hopes because you know, 431 00:27:26,599 --> 00:27:29,359 Trump is so evil. That's not what's happening here. This 432 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,440 is a professional organization led by professional people. Who make 433 00:27:33,519 --> 00:27:38,599 their livings organizing protests or organizing you know, get out 434 00:27:38,599 --> 00:27:43,519 the vote groups, organizing demonstrations. That is, that is an 435 00:27:43,559 --> 00:27:45,519 industry for the left. That is a there is a 436 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,599 group of people who exist and that is they you know, 437 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,559 they study the tactics of this. They have there are 438 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,200 think tanks that come up with strategies for them. These 439 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,640 are not just people, you know, out on a limb. 440 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,480 There's a support system. There's of funding, their funding funding channels, 441 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:07,440 and they are you know, kind of the shepherds of 442 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,240 the left's moms. That's about the closest analogy you can 443 00:28:11,279 --> 00:28:11,839 come up with. 444 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, I think that's a good way of 445 00:28:15,279 --> 00:28:19,559 saying that. And for those who remember their recent history, 446 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,119 the forty fourth president of the United States started out 447 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:27,119 in this business. Barack Obama was a community organizer and 448 00:28:27,599 --> 00:28:30,759 you worked in a project vote. He certainly did. And 449 00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:33,079 and that leads us to the other point when we 450 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:37,359 talk about the efficacy of this or or not. My 451 00:28:37,559 --> 00:28:42,160 colleague this week Breonna Lyman wrote a piece and the 452 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:47,240 headline is the only mid term strategy lamer than no 453 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:52,920 Kings is Goop's plan to do literally nothing. So she 454 00:28:53,039 --> 00:28:55,720 goes into the But one of the things that is 455 00:28:55,759 --> 00:29:00,359 noted is this, you know, is looks for possible stress 456 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,599 to a lot of Americans, you know, a lot of 457 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,000 common sense, rational human beings, like are you kidding off? 458 00:29:06,039 --> 00:29:07,920 For all the things we talked about, they look at 459 00:29:08,319 --> 00:29:10,880 you know, what has gone on in Iran over the 460 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,920 last nearly fifty years, and these people are talking about 461 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,960 no Kings. What has gone on in Venezuela with Maduro 462 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,279 and these people are talking about no Kings. You know, 463 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:27,440 we have a leftist elite in this country that live 464 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:33,720 like kings and they're saying no Kings. But this is 465 00:29:33,799 --> 00:29:38,640 a pretty good way to get people to register to vote, 466 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,400 to tap into their anger. And that's really what this 467 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,519 is at the end of the day, isn't it. Maybe 468 00:29:44,519 --> 00:29:48,200 they'd like a few more riots, but ultimately this is 469 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,400 about November twenty twenty six and the desperate move from 470 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:57,000 the left to do anything they can to weaken Donald 471 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,759 Trump in the MAGA movement this country. 472 00:29:59,519 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, the No Kings movement seems heavily focused on 473 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:10,640 shall we say data collection? Uh. When you sign up 474 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,279 for your no Kings protests, you hand in your phone 475 00:30:13,359 --> 00:30:16,079 number and you tell them you know your address and 476 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,920 et cetera, and all this information. You know that they don't. 477 00:30:20,279 --> 00:30:22,799 They're collecting that information to make sure that you're registered 478 00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:24,440 to vote, and if you're not, they're going to harass 479 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,559 you until you do. And once you're registered, they're going 480 00:30:26,599 --> 00:30:30,440 to harass you until you vote. You know, data collection 481 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,079 is a huge part of all of the you know, 482 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,319 the reason that this one of the reasons that this 483 00:30:35,319 --> 00:30:40,240 this protest industrial complex exists is just data collection because 484 00:30:41,079 --> 00:30:45,319 the Left relies upon kind of lower propensity voters when 485 00:30:45,359 --> 00:30:48,960 it comes to election cycles, and so they have a 486 00:30:49,119 --> 00:30:56,599 vast network logistically to kind of wrangle their their they're 487 00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:01,000 voter herders or their their voter wranglers. They have propensity voters. 488 00:31:01,039 --> 00:31:04,319 You know, people who are younger often really don't vote 489 00:31:04,359 --> 00:31:07,839 at the same rates. But the No Kings movement, as 490 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,559 we've seen, it's not reaching those same people. So I 491 00:31:10,559 --> 00:31:15,920 think they're really I think they're very much interested in 492 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,680 getting out the vote with these protests, and obviously, you know, 493 00:31:19,759 --> 00:31:24,119 they're starting to appeal to kind of older liberal voters 494 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:28,519 and trying to which is a very hyperpensity base, and 495 00:31:28,559 --> 00:31:31,680 trying to reach them with these nonprofits, which you know, 496 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,559 it makes an interesting question about the purpose of the 497 00:31:34,599 --> 00:31:36,799 nonprofit sector, which is supposed to be nonpartisan, but that's 498 00:31:36,839 --> 00:31:37,799 a whole nother discussion. 499 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, but. 500 00:31:42,519 --> 00:31:45,279 Speaker 2: Without the ability to you know, you just mentioned the rights, 501 00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:47,920 without the ability to get that enthusiasm and to get 502 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,200 the you know, the the violent agitators that we saw 503 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:56,720 in the Summer of Love out and mobilized. You know, 504 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,559 No Kings ends up being basically a PR operation. And 505 00:32:00,599 --> 00:32:02,759 this is why they're so insistent on the size of 506 00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:05,680 the crowds. They're so insistent that this is the biggest 507 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,119 protests ever to happen, even though it's just kind of 508 00:32:08,119 --> 00:32:10,680 a whole bunch of very small protests happening at a 509 00:32:10,759 --> 00:32:16,960 thousand different locations. For the most part, you know, No 510 00:32:17,119 --> 00:32:19,480 King seems to be a PR operation, and and that's 511 00:32:19,759 --> 00:32:22,119 they have a catchy slogan, No Kings is catchy, but 512 00:32:22,359 --> 00:32:25,799 it doesn't mean anything. It really they really don't have 513 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:27,519 much of a goal. They're only one of their main 514 00:32:27,559 --> 00:32:30,480 goals seems to be opposing the removal of kings like 515 00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:35,799 Maduro and and the Iyatola as you just mentioned. So 516 00:32:35,839 --> 00:32:39,240 it's it's confusing, and they're they're doing they're doing their 517 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,200 best to do their data collection and their usual, their 518 00:32:41,279 --> 00:32:44,039 usual you know, kind of get out the vote minded activities. 519 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:46,720 But the problem is they're not reaching the people that 520 00:32:46,759 --> 00:32:49,240 they want to. And so I think that we're going 521 00:32:49,319 --> 00:32:52,480 to see soon in the in the near future, I 522 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,880 think No Kings is going to jump the shark. I 523 00:32:54,880 --> 00:33:01,039 think they're going to start reaching a level of on authenticness. 524 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,599 If that's a word. I don't think that's actually a word, 525 00:33:03,599 --> 00:33:04,400 but I'm going to use it. 526 00:33:05,759 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 1: I authentically think it is a word. 527 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,039 Speaker 2: Yes, I think it would be inauthentic. Well here we 528 00:33:10,079 --> 00:33:18,480 are debating grammar anyway, inauthenticness the astro turf aspect of 529 00:33:18,519 --> 00:33:20,720 it is going to shine through more and more the 530 00:33:20,799 --> 00:33:25,759 closer and closer we get to midterms, and they're going 531 00:33:25,839 --> 00:33:28,839 to be trying to kind of reclaim some of that 532 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,440 momentum that they feel they had back in twenty twenty, 533 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,039 and it's just it's not going to be there. And 534 00:33:35,079 --> 00:33:36,839 so it's the tactics are going to get more and 535 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,559 more preposterous, you know, the rhetoric is going to get 536 00:33:39,599 --> 00:33:42,440 more and more over the top, if that's even possible. 537 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,960 So it's going to be interesting to see what happens 538 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,160 with No Kings in the near future. But my guess 539 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:55,599 is they get more shrill, they get more more obviously 540 00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,359 astro turf, they get more obviously artificial. 541 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 1: How how is that possible? How can how can they 542 00:34:05,039 --> 00:34:09,159 be more shrill? Oh and one day and how many? 543 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,840 How many cats were left at home during the past 544 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,400 weekend for these poor people. 545 00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 2: But you know, maybe that's what this is. Maybe No 546 00:34:17,039 --> 00:34:21,559 Kings is just an operation by the Cat Sitters Union 547 00:34:21,559 --> 00:34:25,599 of America to try to try and beef up their 548 00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:26,199 own business. 549 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 1: Follow the money, that's right. 550 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,320 Speaker 2: You know. One thing I've I've learned studying the left. 551 00:34:34,599 --> 00:34:36,719 You know, I read what they write every day. I 552 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,039 read I follow their social media's, I sign up for 553 00:34:39,079 --> 00:34:43,199 all their email campaigns, I read their tax forms. The 554 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,199 thing that I've learned is to never underestimate how insane 555 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,000 they can be. Every time I think I have found 556 00:34:49,079 --> 00:34:51,960 the most ridiculous thing that I will read that day, 557 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,840 I usually find something even more insane. And No Kings 558 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:57,559 is going to be no exception to that. 559 00:34:58,599 --> 00:35:01,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt about that. Well, you had me at 560 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,679 Fonsie in a leather jacket. You talked about jumping the shark. 561 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:09,199 That's where that phrase comes from. Actually, though, to set 562 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:14,039 the record straight, when Phonsie in Happy Days jumped the 563 00:35:14,119 --> 00:35:20,480 shark in his leather jacket and briefs, that was at 564 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,800 the height of the show's popularity, and it stayed popular 565 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,519 for a while. This really, though, is I can see 566 00:35:27,519 --> 00:35:30,159 this on the way down. Yeah, I think this is 567 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:34,840 definitely descending. But so is it just a matter of 568 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:39,760 time before the left and the scientists, the experts were 569 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:44,199 supposed to follow religiously faithfully, they're going to release some 570 00:35:44,519 --> 00:35:48,840 sort of virus again. I mean this twenty twenty six, 571 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,320 of course, smacks of twenty twenty and I mean that 572 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,840 by the desperation. Maybe there's not the cover of COVID 573 00:35:55,880 --> 00:36:01,039 to act under, but the leftist movement in America is 574 00:36:01,119 --> 00:36:05,679 doing whatever it can by any means to make sure 575 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:11,719 that they a cripple the Trump administration and ultimately put 576 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:16,519 it in prison and thereby taking out the MAGA movement 577 00:36:16,639 --> 00:36:20,440 so that they can, you know, regain power again. Do 578 00:36:20,519 --> 00:36:26,920 you see this movement becoming increasingly desperate, increasingly theatrical, of course, 579 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,400 as we get closer and closer to the November mid terms. 580 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:36,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, definitely increasingly theatrical. That is one of the 581 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,360 I've been shocked. Since twenty twenty four, the nonprofit industry 582 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,599 has frankly been a little disappointing. I mean, these are 583 00:36:42,599 --> 00:36:45,239 the people we saw that materialize the Summer of Love 584 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,840 out of thin air in twenty twenty, right, you know, 585 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:54,159 they were leading media and PR operations like we've never 586 00:36:54,199 --> 00:36:58,119 seen before now, you know, partially because there are one 587 00:36:58,159 --> 00:37:01,480 of the main new social media platforms, of course, Twitter 588 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,199 or x formerly Twitter is now not owned by someone 589 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:09,400 who will censor everyone. That seems to have kind of 590 00:37:09,679 --> 00:37:15,400 stymied their efforts to replicate that. But yeah, the nonprofits, 591 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,360 they got desperate in twenty twenty four. One of the 592 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:19,920 things that I write about a lot is the get 593 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,119 out the vote operations, and you know, Capital Research Center, 594 00:37:23,159 --> 00:37:27,760 we have a forthcoming report on what happened with nonprofits 595 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:32,159 and elections and just with you know, election related advocacy 596 00:37:32,199 --> 00:37:34,599 in general in twenty twenty four. And one of the 597 00:37:34,599 --> 00:37:36,800 things I found was that from twenty twenty to twenty 598 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,519 twenty four, the get out the vote industry, the nonprofit 599 00:37:39,519 --> 00:37:42,440 get out the vote industry, got bigger, It got much bigger, 600 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:47,000 while even while traditional pack spending actually declined during those years. 601 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:51,079 So the left, they have not given up on the 602 00:37:51,159 --> 00:37:53,559 tactics that worked for them in the past. The problem 603 00:37:53,639 --> 00:37:57,039 is just that people aren't buying it anymore. You know, 604 00:37:57,679 --> 00:38:00,360 we met the enthusiasms, not there people, so aw what 605 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,719 happened in twenty twenty They lived through the fervor of 606 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,039 it all. Some people were taken up by it, you know, 607 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:14,960 and kind of consumed by the rage campaign that kind 608 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,280 of dominated the country for months on end. And then 609 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:22,800 afterwards nothing changed, and then there was a democratic administration 610 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,920 and the problems that they wanted fixed weren't really fixed. 611 00:38:27,039 --> 00:38:29,079 It turns out that they were being lied to and 612 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,280 they now they know this. So the left is still 613 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,480 pour all the left's donors are still convinced that the 614 00:38:35,519 --> 00:38:38,039 same tactics they used in the past will continue to work, 615 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,159 and they're pouring In twenty twenty four, they poured money 616 00:38:41,159 --> 00:38:43,880 into the same old tactics, and then Donald Trump won 617 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:51,639 the popular vote. So there, we haven't seen their tax 618 00:38:51,679 --> 00:38:53,920 forms from post twenty twenty four yet. Twenty twenty five 619 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:55,920 will be the next year, and then the year after 620 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:57,840 that will be twenty twenty six. We'll finally see their 621 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,000 tax forms from that year. So it's hard to say 622 00:39:00,159 --> 00:39:02,599 what's going on in those board meetings and in those 623 00:39:02,679 --> 00:39:07,000 you know, in those zoom calls, but you have to 624 00:39:07,039 --> 00:39:09,719 imagine that they're trying. They're trying to rewrite the playbook, 625 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,400 but they just don't know how because they've been relying 626 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:17,920 on the same playbook since the nineteen sixties. So it's 627 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,079 it's going to be really interesting to see what happens 628 00:39:21,079 --> 00:39:26,119 with No Kings, and you know, they will get more 629 00:39:26,159 --> 00:39:31,159 theatrical and even more you'll see that they really don't 630 00:39:31,199 --> 00:39:35,079 have any they're so they're so rattled by their loss 631 00:39:35,079 --> 00:39:37,480 in twenty twenty four that they just I don't think 632 00:39:37,519 --> 00:39:40,320 they really know what to do yet. And No Kings 633 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,840 is kind of there, you know, their first step back 634 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,960 into being the machine that they once were. They're still 635 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,800 trying to reclaim their former glory as it were, or 636 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,760 you know, I would say disign, but. 637 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,079 Speaker 1: Let me play consultant for a moment for the. 638 00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,599 Speaker 2: Let's let's advise them. Let's let's tell those things what 639 00:39:59,639 --> 00:39:59,920 they can do. 640 00:40:00,039 --> 00:40:03,800 Speaker 1: You better exactly here you go. And I'm really serious 641 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,480 that they won't listen to me, of course, because because 642 00:40:06,519 --> 00:40:11,239 I'm a conservative and I believe in making America great again, 643 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,360 and so they don't want anything to do with that. 644 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,239 But here's the thing that they ought to do. They 645 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,559 ought to shut the hell up stop this nonsense of 646 00:40:19,639 --> 00:40:22,920 no kings, because I think that hurts their cause ultimately 647 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,880 with the average person, because they're looking at these nuts 648 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:27,440 out in the street going, oh my god, I don't 649 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,719 want to go back to that again. That's why twenty 650 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,119 twenty four happened. What they should talk about keep concentrating 651 00:40:33,199 --> 00:40:36,800 on is affordability, which is a huge lie because they're 652 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,239 Marxist and they're never going to make anything affordable. 653 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,519 Speaker 2: They're going to make at least lie about it. 654 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:46,159 Speaker 1: And they have and that part is effective. And really 655 00:40:46,199 --> 00:40:50,119 what they need to do is just rely on the 656 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:54,840 Rhino Republicans that control Congress right now, particularly in the Senate, 657 00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,840 to not do a damn thing, and then what you 658 00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,559 would have is you would have what you have right 659 00:41:00,599 --> 00:41:04,440 now a growing number of conservatives who say, listen, I 660 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,400 was all in on twenty twenty four. I saw the vision, 661 00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:12,000 I saw the change, I saw the possibilities, and once 662 00:41:12,039 --> 00:41:15,639 again we have bought and paid for rhinos who won't 663 00:41:15,679 --> 00:41:19,480 do anything, just like the left found out in two 664 00:41:19,559 --> 00:41:22,400 thousand to a far you know, radical left found out 665 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:27,320 in twenty twenty. So you lose engagement and that's where 666 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,880 you win at the polls. And that's what happens oftentimes 667 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,719 in midterms, the disillusionment, do you. But they won't do that, 668 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:39,079 will they, because they're just so tied into this, you know, 669 00:41:39,159 --> 00:41:42,480 this chaos. And you can only keep an anarchy going, 670 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,880 a really good anarchy going, for so long, can't you. 671 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,320 Speaker 2: Exactly? Yeah, great. You raise a great point here, which 672 00:41:50,559 --> 00:41:54,760 about the confusion of the No Kings movement and the 673 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,360 discord in their message, which you know, though on the 674 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,559 one hand, you would think that it would be an 675 00:42:00,639 --> 00:42:05,639 enormously electorally, you know, beneficial strategy to focus on. You know, 676 00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,599 there is gridlock in Washington, d C. The current administration 677 00:42:08,679 --> 00:42:10,760 isn't getting things done that they said they were going to, 678 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,880 you know, and there are they could try and you know, 679 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,960 tell all kinds of lies and spin a big story 680 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:23,960 about that, but they can't because they're also simultaneously trying 681 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,320 to present the idea that Donald Trump is acting as 682 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:30,559 a king and a dictator and is unilaterally declaring things 683 00:42:30,599 --> 00:42:35,719 into being, and you know, is a one man show 684 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,440 running the country and we must oppose Kings. So you know, 685 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:44,199 they've kind of, you know, they've walked themselves into a 686 00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,559 corner that they really don't know how to get out of. 687 00:42:46,599 --> 00:42:50,239 And they have you know, this No King's message, which 688 00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:54,559 is not really I don't think going to be you know, 689 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,840 very compelling for many people, especially when it comes to 690 00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:04,760 actually voting. But it does get the older, you know, 691 00:43:05,079 --> 00:43:08,199 the older liberal demographic out. They seem to like it 692 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:12,960 for whatever reason. So they've you know, they could be 693 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,719 focusing on other things, but the No Kings has soaked 694 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,559 up so much of their attention and their their messaging 695 00:43:20,639 --> 00:43:23,760 and their focus that they they're kind of stuck with 696 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:28,119 one path one you know, one central point of their 697 00:43:28,159 --> 00:43:33,599 message now, which is that they don't like Kings. But again, 698 00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,000 I don't think the average person actually thinks that Donald 699 00:43:37,039 --> 00:43:39,159 Trump thinks that he's a king. I don't think anyone 700 00:43:39,199 --> 00:43:42,119 really thinks that. But they like saying it, and so 701 00:43:42,159 --> 00:43:43,199 they're going to keep saying it. 702 00:43:43,679 --> 00:43:47,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, the consistency of message is very 703 00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:52,480 very important obviously, But you know, as we have found 704 00:43:52,519 --> 00:43:56,159 out over the last several years in this country, once 705 00:43:56,199 --> 00:44:01,000 again as conservatives, you got to Thank god the unhinged left, 706 00:44:01,039 --> 00:44:05,119 because without the unhinged left and what they are doing 707 00:44:05,159 --> 00:44:09,119 to turn off voters, Republicans may never have a chance 708 00:44:09,199 --> 00:44:12,679 to win electorally. It's just the sad state of affairs 709 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,960 going on in America today. Thanks to my guest today, 710 00:44:16,159 --> 00:44:21,719 Parker Thayer, Investigative Research excellent investigative researcher at Capital Research Center, 711 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,920 you've been listening to another edition of the Federalist Radio out. 712 00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:29,039 I'm Matt Kittle, Senior elections correspondent at the Federalist. We'll 713 00:44:29,079 --> 00:44:31,960 be back soon with more. Until then, stay lovers of 714 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:33,960 freedom and anxious for the fray.