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<v Speaker 1>Live from the heart of the nation's capital. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a Jim Acosta Show special report. All right, welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>the Jim Acosta Show. It's another day that ends and why.

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<v Speaker 1>In the Natalie Harp saga at the White House, the

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<v Speaker 1>latest revelations include stories about the so called human printer,

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<v Speaker 1>hopping into a trunk in a Trump motorcade if you

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<v Speaker 1>can believe that, and leaving cringy letters behind for Trump

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<v Speaker 1>to read. Let's discuss with historian Heather Cox Richardson and Heather,

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<v Speaker 1>it's great to see you, Jim.

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<v Speaker 2>It's always a pleasure. What do you think about this

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<v Speaker 2>Natalie Harp thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I you know, it's funny because you know I covered

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<v Speaker 1>them during the first term, and there are lots of

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<v Speaker 1>people who will just fall over themselves to suck up

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<v Speaker 1>to him. And it's sort of like a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a cult apprentice, a game show that he runs over

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<v Speaker 1>there at the White House. But I've never seen anybody

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<v Speaker 1>go as Kathy Bates and misery like you know, Natalie

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<v Speaker 1>Harp has. She has exceeded every level of cult like

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<v Speaker 1>worship of Donald Trump, it seems to me. But I

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<v Speaker 1>know you recently wrote about this or maybe just finished

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<v Speaker 1>writing about this. I was begging your forgiveness before we start.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought this is sort of a lowbrow thing for

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<v Speaker 1>me to harp on today, no pun intent or maybe

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<v Speaker 1>pun intended. But I do think it speaks to a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of different things. I don't think it's lowbra. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it speaks to A. He is somebody who has

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<v Speaker 1>a very damaged psyche and needs constant you know, puffing up,

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<v Speaker 1>and and B you know this is weird. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard of presidents having a body man or a

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<v Speaker 1>body person. This is a this is a super fan

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<v Speaker 1>you know who works for basically well.

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<v Speaker 2>Maggie Haberman referred to her on a podcast as a

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<v Speaker 2>human binkie, And I think that's not a bad way

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<v Speaker 2>to think about her. But I'm way less interested in

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<v Speaker 2>what's actually happening with him and her, as in it

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<v Speaker 2>certainly seems as if he needs some kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>minder who makes him feel comforting with and said. And

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<v Speaker 2>she suggested that Walt Nauda, who had worked for him

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<v Speaker 2>at mar A Lago, had a similar relationship with him,

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<v Speaker 2>where he's comfortable with those people around him. And we know,

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<v Speaker 2>of course that he took Natalie Harp with him when

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<v Speaker 2>he got off the decoy plane, as well as Walt Nauda.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's what's happening with that. But I'm way more

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<v Speaker 2>interested in the reaction from right wing media, which went

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<v Speaker 2>just ballistic over the story, because what John Assoff, the governor,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, the senator from Georgia, actually said was incredibly

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<v Speaker 2>mild and not really related to Harp at all. He

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<v Speaker 2>said something like he golfs in trade stocks. See, he

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't want to do the job. He wants to build

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<v Speaker 2>his ballroom and travel with Natalie on their apparently defenseless

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<v Speaker 2>flying palace gifted by the Emrror of Cutter. Now, the

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<v Speaker 2>right wing turned this into a big thing about Natalie

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<v Speaker 2>Harp and to suggest that Asoff had been sexist and

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<v Speaker 2>suggested she was sleeping away to the top and all

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<v Speaker 2>those sorts of things that he didn't say in that.

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<v Speaker 2>So I read this and I looked at the reaction

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<v Speaker 2>and said, boy, this is a group of people who

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<v Speaker 2>is incredibly thrilled they have something to talk about that

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<v Speaker 2>they can put at least some sort of a positive

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<v Speaker 2>spin on for them compared to everything else that's in

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<v Speaker 2>the news. You think that's fair.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's very fair. No, there's no question about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they took a situation that was weird and

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<v Speaker 1>made it weirder. And you know, as an old gop

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<v Speaker 1>Hack told me many years ago, never let the staff

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<v Speaker 1>be the story. And the staff is the story. And

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<v Speaker 1>they've made her the story by the way they overreacted

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<v Speaker 1>to not only John Ossoff, but to my former colleague

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<v Speaker 1>Christen Holmes over at CNN, where the rapid response forty

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<v Speaker 1>seven people over the White House absolutely crossed the line

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<v Speaker 1>and said just absolutely horrific things, invoking Kristen's children and

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<v Speaker 1>going after her. I just thought that was absolutely important.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, and I'm curious what you think about that, Heather,

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, to me, the way they reacted over

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<v Speaker 1>to the White House makes it more of a story,

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<v Speaker 1>and it makes us need to cover it. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you're inviting the press to cover.

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<v Speaker 2>It well, which is exactly the point. I mean, if

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<v Speaker 2>we are talking about Natalie Harp, and I'm not suggesting

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<v Speaker 2>we shouldn't be, and certainly what they did for the

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<v Speaker 2>reporter Kristen Holmes is appalling as well, but that means

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<v Speaker 2>we're not talking about the fact that the USS Abraham

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<v Speaker 2>Lincoln couldn't be supplied because of the extraordinary Iranian attacks

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<v Speaker 2>which apparently is no longer able to function in such

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<v Speaker 2>a way that it protects our service people. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we're not talking about the fact that Trump says according

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<v Speaker 2>to Maggie Haberman again the New York Times reporter, she

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<v Speaker 2>says he's spending about seventy percent of his time in

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<v Speaker 2>the midst of a war that has changed the entire world.

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<v Speaker 2>He's spending most was time on his vanity projects in Washington.

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<v Speaker 1>D C.

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<v Speaker 2>That we know he's funding with taxpayer money that was

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<v Speaker 2>originally intended to go into our national parks. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>we're not paying attention to the fact that he's selling

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<v Speaker 2>access to true socials so people can speculate on stocks

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<v Speaker 3>You know, we're not.

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<v Speaker 2>Talking about the many ways in which the administration is

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<v Speaker 2>simply falling apart. You know, the national debt is going

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<v Speaker 2>over forty trillion dollars months before anyone expected it. He

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<v Speaker 2>said he was going to lower the deficit. It's gone

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<v Speaker 2>through the roof. I mean, that's why I say I

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<v Speaker 2>think the White House was like, oh, thank goodness, we

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<v Speaker 2>have something we can talk about that might draw eyeballs,

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<v Speaker 2>because if you were working for that White House, what

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<v Speaker 2>possible positive story can you put out there right now?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? No, there's no question about it. I mean, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's also Trump turning his back on some Korea

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<v Speaker 1>threatening to bomb ohman. I mean, the list goes on

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<v Speaker 1>and on, but I mean, it is. It is strange,

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<v Speaker 1>what is And I think it speaks to the cult

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<v Speaker 1>like nature of this White House and of the Trump team.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean Maggie Haberman and the New York Times, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna have Maggie on the show tomorrow. She wrote

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<v Speaker 1>weird letters that I guess she leaves behind. One of

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<v Speaker 1>these letters says, I want things to always be right

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<v Speaker 1>between us. I also know I've been distracted all week

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<v Speaker 1>forgetting to eat throughout the days, and even forgetting to

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<v Speaker 1>sleep and only catching a couple hours at a time.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the letter concludes with all my heart Natalie.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, Trump has basically told the staff, according

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<v Speaker 1>to reports, to back off that basically nobody understands him

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<v Speaker 1>like Natalie does. The whole thing is is very strange,

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<v Speaker 1>but you're absolutely right. I mean, it does distract the

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<v Speaker 1>public from the other kookie things that are going on

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<v Speaker 1>mental state. I mean today he was playing tour guide

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<v Speaker 1>around the White House. You probably were working on more

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<v Speaker 1>important things, but he was taking reporters and so on

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<v Speaker 1>on a tour of the new helopad that he's installed,

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<v Speaker 1>which I don't know. I guess you could just you

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<v Speaker 1>can just build whatever you want on the White House

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<v Speaker 1>grounds when you're President of the United States. That's what

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump is. A future presidents want to build an

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<v Speaker 1>amusement park, they can do that. But here's Trump show

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<v Speaker 3>He used this for a lot of different things. So

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<v Speaker 3>this is a helipad at the highest level.

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<v Speaker 4>It can lead any helicopter in the world, no matter

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<v Speaker 4>how big, no matter how powerful, no matter how strong

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<v Speaker 4>it would I was explaining for the constructed people. I

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<v Speaker 4>was explaining how when the big, the new big Sikorski's splendid,

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<v Speaker 4>the grass was completely wiped out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's talking about the grass. There's another sound bite.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll play very quickly not to bore everybody to tears

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<v Speaker 1>where he talks about he was almost philosophical about the

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<v Speaker 1>like a like a human being or something something a life.

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<v Speaker 3>Like humans have a life.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is all going to be right now, it's

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<v Speaker 4>If you come back in two weeks, three weeks, it's

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<v Speaker 4>in shock. But you come back in two or three weeks,

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<v Speaker 4>this has all been redone.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all been top soiled. In other words, Now, Heather,

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<v Speaker 1>if this was your grandfather and he was showing off

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<v Speaker 1>like the backyard, how he redid the backyard and put

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<v Speaker 1>in some nice plants and some hydrangeas and so on,

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<v Speaker 1>you be like, that's nice, that's very nice. This is

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<v Speaker 1>also worked at a plug for Scott's, which you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that was something that people should

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<v Speaker 1>go and buy Scotts today, I don't know, But he

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<v Speaker 1>does this. It's very strange.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, so what I see, actually there is somebody who

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<v Speaker 2>knows golf courses. I mean, actually grass is a thing

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<v Speaker 2>on golf courses and know how to manage it is

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<v Speaker 2>a thing. But and he's you can tell that he's

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<v Speaker 2>comfortable when he's working on development projects, and that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not trying to suggest that the Natalie Harp story is

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<v Speaker 2>not a real story. Before Natalie Harp was Laura Lumer.

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<v Speaker 1>If you recall, he.

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<v Speaker 2>Has people around him who give him comfortable mental space.

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<v Speaker 2>And I actually think if you look at the White

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<v Speaker 2>like mar A Lago, there there are very clearly ways

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<v Speaker 2>are constructing spaces in which he is very comfortable, but

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<v Speaker 2>which again, he's an eighty year old man. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>by all means it would be lovely for him to

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<v Speaker 2>be comfortable. But he's the president of the United States

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<v Speaker 2>of America and we're in a war in Iran up

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<v Speaker 2>to our freaking necks. The economy is stumbling along now,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, prices are going up. We're concerned about the

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<v Speaker 2>cost of diesel, which cost over one hundred dollars a

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<v Speaker 2>barrel the other day. You know, they're there. We have

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<v Speaker 2>we have which we should never normalize, masked people on

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<v Speaker 2>our streets who are taking our neighbors and throwing them

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<v Speaker 2>into unmarked vehicles and taking them way and incarcerating them

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<v Speaker 2>for long periods of time without access to the law.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there are many horrific things going on that

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<v Speaker 2>require the attention of the President of the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>And and you know, like we all have a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of information that maybe doesn't seem useful to other people,

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<v Speaker 2>like the life cycle of grass, for example, or I'm

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<v Speaker 2>really really good at certain kinds of baking, but you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not what our president of the United States should

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<v Speaker 1>You're so right, and the rollback of civil liberties in

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<v Speaker 1>this country, to me is an undercovered story. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>not just ice. You know, there's this this flock camera

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<v Speaker 1>controversy that I think could be a sleeper issue heading

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<v Speaker 1>into the fall. People. I mean, there are towns and

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<v Speaker 1>municipalities all over the United States who people are just

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<v Speaker 1>are so friggin pissed about these flock cameras everywhere being

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<v Speaker 2>Now let's go back go to Natalie Harp for a second,

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<v Speaker 2>because the other thing that I find really interesting about

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<v Speaker 2>are people in the White House who are incredibly frustrated

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<v Speaker 2>where the administration is, and they're taking out their anger

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<v Speaker 2>on each other. And that says something about what's happening

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<v Speaker 2>in the White House. And I would point out here

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<v Speaker 2>Grand jury instructions in one of the cases that the

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<v Speaker 2>presumption of regularity, the idea that the government can be

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<v Speaker 2>the window, which throws everything open. And then, of course

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<v Speaker 2>we have challenges to the Federal Communications Commission under its

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<v Speaker 2>director Brendan Carr, so you can see that. I think

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<v Speaker 2>this is one of the reasons that Harp has become

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<v Speaker 2>sort of this node that even though also just referred

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<v Speaker 2>to her, he'd rather be with Natalie. I mean that

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<v Speaker 2>was three words basically right, that that has become sort

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<v Speaker 2>of this tornado. I always think of it as kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like a whirlwind dragging everything into it because it

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<v Speaker 2>fell right into the middle of this period when the

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<v Speaker 2>administration is trying to exercise more power, but it's clearly

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<v Speaker 2>getting weaker and people are pushing back. And now, of

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<v Speaker 2>course we've got different primary election returns that the Republicans

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<v Speaker 2>really are in trouble for the midterms. So she's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of perhaps the epicenter completely, you know, without I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think anybody intended this when they stepped into this, but

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<v Speaker 2>she has become the epicenter of the choppy wins that

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with that she's totally a canary in the

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<v Speaker 1>coal mine right now for Donald Trump and MAGA And

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<v Speaker 1>you're so right. And I remember this from the first term,

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<v Speaker 1>when the staff starts knifing each other and leaking stories.

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<v Speaker 1>And apparently, in the case of Natalie Harp, that the

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<v Speaker 1>revelation that she was, you know, hiding or not hiding,

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<v Speaker 1>but jumping in the trunk or the way back of

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<v Speaker 1>an suv and a Trump motorcate a few years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>just so she could stay in the motorcate and stay

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<v Speaker 1>with Donald Trump at all times. Apparently somebody showed a

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<v Speaker 1>photograph to Kristen Holmes of CNN so she could report

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<v Speaker 1>on them. And so if staffers are doing this to

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<v Speaker 1>one another, it does tell you to some extent that

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<v Speaker 1>the wheels are coming off. You've got Caroline Levitt leaving

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<v Speaker 1>and so on. But you mentioned the primaries, and I

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<v Speaker 1>do want to know what you think about and this

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<v Speaker 1>was on my mind and I wanted to ask you

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<v Speaker 1>about this. Heather down in Florida, there was a progressive candidate,

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<v Speaker 1>I think she's been associated with the DSA. Angie Nixon,

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<v Speaker 1>defeated alex Vinman to be the Senate candidate in the

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<v Speaker 1>Florida Senate race down down there, we've seen some progressive

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<v Speaker 1>and sometimes DSA candidates do well. I personally think it's

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit overblown and it's been sort of like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, conventional wisdom Washington group think that, oh, this

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<v Speaker 1>is going to doom the Democrats this fall. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if Florida was evergettable as a Senate pick up,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in terms of turning that state blue on

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<v Speaker 1>the Senate side. But your thoughts on how these primaries

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<v Speaker 1>are shaking out, how the midterms are shaking out.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm really annoying person to ask this question too,

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<v Speaker 2>because what I see, and remember I'm a historian, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not a journalist, so I look for larger patterns, and

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<v Speaker 2>what I see is that we are in a period

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<v Speaker 2>that looks to me very much like the eighteen fifties

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<v Speaker 2>or the eighteen nineties, or even the nineteen twenties, late

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen twenties or early nineteen thirties, in which the vast

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<v Speaker 2>majority of Americans are extraordinarily unhappy with where the country

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<v Speaker 2>is right now, and they are coming together to push

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<v Speaker 2>back against that. And what they are doing as they

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<v Speaker 2>do that is representing, you know, almost the breaking of

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<v Speaker 2>a dam that has been holding water behind it for

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<v Speaker 2>many decades, more than two decades. And so one of

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<v Speaker 2>the words that you just saw a flash up there

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<v Speaker 2>that always makes me uncomfortable is this idea that there

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<v Speaker 2>is the left at work here in the United States

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<v Speaker 2>of America, because what even the people at the state

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<v Speaker 2>level now, the National Democratic Socialists are a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>more than that. They're a big different flavor. The people

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<v Speaker 2>that you were talking about, like Angie Nixon, are actually

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<v Speaker 2>embracing policies that in the nineteen fifties were Republican policies.

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<v Speaker 2>These are not the left in the sense that political

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<v Speaker 2>scientists understand it. The idea of destroying liberal democracy to

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<v Speaker 2>replace it with an entirely different socialist or communist system.

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<v Speaker 2>We just don't really have that many people in the

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<v Speaker 2>United States and certain positions of power who embrace that.

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<v Speaker 2>So the left doesn't really work in America the way

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<v Speaker 2>the right does right now, When you actually have people

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<v Speaker 2>replace it with a form of far right authoritarianism or fascism,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's just what's happening. So what I'm seeing

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<v Speaker 2>is all these people who are Democrats, yes, and independence

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<v Speaker 2>and even old fashioned Republicans saying, wait a minute, we

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<v Speaker 2>want things like healthcare and infrastructure, to protect our public lands,

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<v Speaker 2>have you know, we're taking care of our children, and

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<v Speaker 2>that we have education. Those are absolutely popular opinions and

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<v Speaker 2>positions that more than fifty percent of Americans want. So

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<v Speaker 2>when you look at what happened in Florida, I'm seeing

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<v Speaker 2>the same thing. Oh, you know, you can't somebody like

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<v Speaker 2>Angie Nixon can never win in Florida. And I'm like, really,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Because that's what I think. I agree with you.

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<v Speaker 2>You look at the people who back Trump in twenty sixteen,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what they were asking for. So, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>get a little bit uncomfortable with the labels we're using

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<v Speaker 2>because I think what we're seeing is a huge shakeup

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<v Speaker 2>I actually, if I had to take a bet, I

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<v Speaker 2>would say, we're going to have a renewed, small D

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<v Speaker 2>democracy to face the twenty first century and the issues

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<v Speaker 2>we have there. But you know, I think we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to look at We're going to see very different alignments

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<v Speaker 2>and causes than we have in the past, like data

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<v Speaker 1>Like.

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<v Speaker 2>Healthcare, the things that people really care about, regardless of

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<v Speaker 2>I or something altogether different after their names.

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<v Speaker 1>I totally agree with that. And I've been talking about this,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think you and I have maybe touched on

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<v Speaker 1>this a little bit here and there, and that I

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<v Speaker 1>think there's a voter revolt that is building in this country.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it is a reformist voter revolt. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that it's hard to pigeonhole this or put it in

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<v Speaker 1>going to be some on the reformist side who are

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<v Speaker 1>going to want to have more progressive policies pursued economically speaking,

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<v Speaker 1>they might want medicare for all and so on. But

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<v Speaker 1>there's also a huge swath of these voters who I

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<v Speaker 1>think want to see democracy make a comeback in this

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<v Speaker 1>country and that we not have a rollback of civil

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<v Speaker 1>liberties in this country. And that is a view shared

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<v Speaker 1>by people on left, right and center. So I think

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<v Speaker 1>I totally agree with you. What is coming soon to

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<v Speaker 1>a theater near you is something that the press is

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<v Speaker 1>gonna have a really tough time covering because this is

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<v Speaker 1>coming from the people, and the people are so I

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<v Speaker 1>think outraged over what is happening in this country right

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<v Speaker 1>now that you know, it might take our breath away

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<v Speaker 1>what we see come this fall. And I totally agree

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<v Speaker 1>with you. I know, I don't know if we did

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<v Speaker 1>keep seeing the flat camera stuff, but I totally agree

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<v Speaker 1>with you that Angie Nixon obviously has a chance to

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<v Speaker 1>win this fall. I think Abdulasat is getting written off

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<v Speaker 1>too soon. I think you could see pickups like in

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<v Speaker 1>Ohio and Iowa and places that we just didn't even

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<v Speaker 1>think all of that was lunacy. Seemed like lunacy maybe

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<v Speaker 1>two years ago, and it's very real now because people

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<v Speaker 2>Well they're pissed off. And also we're looking at the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that you got somebody like Natalie Harp advising the

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<v Speaker 2>in the Midwest is literally a Rhodes scholar, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>of the two, who would you like to have in

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<v Speaker 2>charge of your country? And of course in that case,

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<v Speaker 2>he would only be one member of one hundred in

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<v Speaker 2>the Senate. But can I just push back on that, Jim,

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<v Speaker 2>you said the media is going to have our time

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<v Speaker 2>covering it.

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<v Speaker 3>Literally, this is.

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<v Speaker 2>Why we have new media. We have people like you

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<v Speaker 2>because we're not in those old patterns and because I'm

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<v Speaker 2>totally going to go all historical on you here. That's

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<v Speaker 2>the same thing we saw in the eighteen fifties, eighteen nineties.

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<v Speaker 2>In the nineteen thirties, we saw the rise of a

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<v Speaker 2>new media to speak to these concerns that were not

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<v Speaker 2>being covered by legacy media at the time. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>where we got the enduring you know, newspapers that we

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<v Speaker 2>know now, but they all you know, things like the

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<v Speaker 2>was the Daily Alta, California. It becomes a major San

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<v Speaker 2>So you're seeing, I think, this large societal change, and

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<v Speaker 2>the larger sense of a real political, economic, and cultural

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<v Speaker 1>No, I so agree with you, And I remember one

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<v Speaker 1>of our first conversations. I think you mentioned the term

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<v Speaker 1>and independent news community, and that's what we're a part

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<v Speaker 1>of now. And yes, we can talk about the daily

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<v Speaker 1>distractions and we can dispense with those stories in a

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<v Speaker 1>few minutes and then move on to the big, meaty topics,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't have to cut to a commercial break.

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<v Speaker 1>We can just keep going here and talk about this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's absolutely what people are clamoring for everywhere. People

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<v Speaker 1>want to have these kinds of conversations because they're tired

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<v Speaker 1>of the legacy media sort of spoon feeding them the

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<v Speaker 1>day's headlines that are just so watered down and sinewashed

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm right there with you.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, that's that's one of those things like I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know how to do it because I'm not a

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<v Speaker 2>policy person, but how many Americans really oppose the idea

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<v Speaker 2>of having health care for everybody like other are?

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with them all have it.

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<v Speaker 2>And when people say, oh, that's you know, that's a

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<v Speaker 2>far left position, it's like, really, if you know more

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<v Speaker 2>than eighty percent of us thinks it's a great idea,

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<v Speaker 2>Like that's a that's a centrist position. And what we

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<v Speaker 2>really need to do is to remind people that the

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<v Speaker 2>definition of the things that we want good education, clean water,

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<v Speaker 2>save food. I mean we have safe food back on

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<v Speaker 2>the table. It is not a far left position to

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<v Speaker 2>say I would like to have faith that the food

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<v Speaker 2>that is on my table is actually not going to

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<v Speaker 2>kill me. And by the way, that's how we got

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<v Speaker 2>the first progressive era in the early twentieth century because

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<v Speaker 2>the fact we knew that the foods that were showing

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<v Speaker 2>up were completely adulterated because there were no regulations. So

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<v Speaker 2>that reworking of how we think about this moment, so

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<v Speaker 2>we center the things that, regardless of your political affiliation,

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<v Speaker 2>you actually want, actually is the route I think to

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<v Speaker 2>not only a healthier country but also a new political system.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I agree with you, and it has absolutely shaken

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<v Speaker 1>people's confidence in this government. When you can't buy a

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<v Speaker 1>salad without thinking twice about it, and when you hear

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<v Speaker 1>headlines about the measles coming back. And you see RFK

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<v Speaker 1>Junior just sounding like a total nut in the Oval office,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, prattling on about you know, all of

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<v Speaker 1>his vaccine cookie vaccine conspiracy theories. Well Donald Trump naps,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and with the human binkie not more than

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<v Speaker 1>a few feet away, it is. It is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a dog's breakfast these days. But Heather, great to see

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<v Speaker 1>as always. Thanks for again another stellar, just wonderful conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>Always appreciate our time together. Thanks for joining me.

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<v Speaker 2>Always a pleasure.

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<v Speaker 1>Jim all right, good to see it. Thank you the

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<v Speaker 1>great Heather Cox Richardson. Always appreciate it. And she was

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<v Speaker 1>talking about this new media infrastructure that we are seeing

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<v Speaker 1>emerge in this country, and it's emerging because of the

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<v Speaker 1>failures of the legacy, the name brand news media. We

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<v Speaker 1>talked about this on this program, I don't know a

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<v Speaker 1>gazillion times, and I've got the perfect guest to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about this because there are new headlines on that front.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've got Oliver. I think I have Oliver Darcy

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<v Speaker 1>with me. If not, we'll have to have him jump back. Oliver,

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<v Speaker 1>I think maybe you're saying you can't hear me.

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<v Speaker 3>Oliver, I can't hear you.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's all. Get We'll get the team on it here.

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<v Speaker 1>In just a second. Let me just have Oliver. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>have him jump out and jump back in. Uh, and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll get back to him in just a second.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. This happens from time to time. I do. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>move some of the stuff that I was going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about in the tag to now while we get

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<v Speaker 1>Oliver ready. This sometimes happens. I do want to show

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<v Speaker 1>this breathtaking clip from Fox News. I guess Fox had

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<v Speaker 1>screwed up the other day and said that gas prices

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<v Speaker 1>a year ago were four dollars and thirteen scent. Okay, No,

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<v Speaker 1>we got Oliver back. I'll do that later. I'll do

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<v Speaker 1>that later. Oliver, you're back. You can hear me. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I can hear you.

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<v Speaker 3>Jim, I'm sorry about that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's okay, that's okay. Ghosts in the machine, Gremlins in

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<v Speaker 1>the machine, thanks for joining me. I was just mentioning

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<v Speaker 1>a few moments ago that Heather Cox Richardson and I

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<v Speaker 1>were having this great conversation and she brought up the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that, you know, during there are certain periods in

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<v Speaker 1>American history where in addition to a cultural revolution or

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<v Speaker 1>a political revolution in this country, that you sometimes had

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<v Speaker 1>media revolutions and that we may be in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of one right now. And it is partly what we're

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<v Speaker 1>doing right now, which is independent media coming to the

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<v Speaker 1>forefront and some of this. And as I was setting

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<v Speaker 1>you up and you couldn't hear me as I was

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<v Speaker 1>setting this up, I was saying, part of this is

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<v Speaker 1>because of the failures of the legacy media in this

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<v Speaker 1>country and some of the times they've just stepped on

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<v Speaker 1>a rake and done stupid things like pay these extortion

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<v Speaker 1>payments to Donald Trump to settle ridiculous lawsuits and so on.

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<v Speaker 1>And here we have some brand new examples, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>on that topic. But Oliver, good to see you. What

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<v Speaker 1>do you think about that. Are we in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of kind of a revolution that's taking place when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to independent media right now?

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<v Speaker 3>I think so.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, I think that you're in the middle of

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<v Speaker 5>a revolution that is happening on or because of political

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<v Speaker 5>pressures and media organizations failing on political pressures and technology.

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<v Speaker 3>The way people just are able to consume contents.

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<v Speaker 5>And you know, ten years ago, Jim, I don't know

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<v Speaker 5>if you and I would have been able to have

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<v Speaker 5>this conversation as easily, for sure as we are today.

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<v Speaker 5>And I don't know if consumers would been as ready

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<v Speaker 5>to consume this kind of content via YouTube and substack

517
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<v Speaker 5>and behive and all the other platforms. But because of technology,

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<v Speaker 5>because the legacy media has failed to stand as a

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<v Speaker 5>bulwark against Trump's creeping authoritarianism. And then I think also

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<v Speaker 5>just general business pressures because of the technology disrupting how

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<v Speaker 5>people consume content and them cutting the core and these

522
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<v Speaker 5>you know, maybe no longer subscribing in print newspapers, the

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<v Speaker 5>business pressures on these companies have also accelerated. I think

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<v Speaker 5>some of that appeasement and decline and so you're the

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<v Speaker 5>confluence of factors has resulted in this huge revolution occurring.

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<v Speaker 5>I think we're still in the midst of it, and

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<v Speaker 5>I'm curious obviously where it ends.

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<v Speaker 3>But independent media is surging as a result.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's no question about it. And I think a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of this got supercharged right at the beginning of

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<v Speaker 1>the second term when you had ABC and CBS. There's awful,

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<v Speaker 1>ridiculous stories of them paying these these settlements to Donald Trump,

533
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<v Speaker 1>and then god knows where that money is has anybody

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<v Speaker 1>account of that, We I don't know, but ABC being

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<v Speaker 1>one of those companies and the and yet in the

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<v Speaker 1>last week, Oliver, we've seen a pretty u stark shining

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<v Speaker 1>example of ABC saying you know what, let's try something different.

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<v Speaker 1>They are taking Donald Trump in the administration to court.

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<v Speaker 1>They have filed a lawsuit against the SEC in an

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<v Speaker 1>effort to block this is, according to Ruters, to block

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<v Speaker 1>the agency's unusual early review of broadcast licenses for eight

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<v Speaker 1>Disney owned local TV stations. And I want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about this because one of the things that it says

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<v Speaker 1>in the story, Oliver, this, according to Ruters, their ABC

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<v Speaker 1>is accusing the administration of employee pressure tactics that have

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<v Speaker 1>forced the network to make programming compromises, such as refraining

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<v Speaker 1>from booking political candidates on popular daytime shows like The

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<v Speaker 1>View for fear of retaliation. That sounds an awful like

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was. It was a James tallerco on

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<v Speaker 1>the Late Show was Stephen Colbert where there was pressure there.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds like the same thing was happening at ABC.

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<v Speaker 5>And they and they'd even talk about ABC News Jim

553
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<v Speaker 5>streaming Donald Trump's unhinged, conspiratorial election security speech? Was it

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<v Speaker 5>last month because of that pressure? And they said, because

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<v Speaker 5>you know of the government pressure, they streamed and they

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<v Speaker 5>ordinarily would not.

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<v Speaker 3>Have done so.

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<v Speaker 5>So there have been some you know that the government

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<v Speaker 5>pressure when when you have it applied like this, it

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<v Speaker 5>does result in editorial changes. And ABC is conceding saying, look,

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<v Speaker 5>it has impacted our programming. I think it's I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's really remarkable for a few reasons. But

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<v Speaker 5>ABC and Disney are definitely taking a different tack now

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<v Speaker 5>that Donald Trump's two years in his tenure. I wonder

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<v Speaker 5>if they see him as a weaker politician. His approval

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<v Speaker 5>ratings and the toilets. Clearly the midterms are coming up.

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<v Speaker 5>He's a lamed president and he clearly doesn't have the

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<v Speaker 5>win that is back anymore. So I wonder if that's

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<v Speaker 5>part of the you know, the assessment as they as

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<v Speaker 5>they kind of figure out.

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<v Speaker 1>What to do.

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<v Speaker 5>But also they've tried doing everything they can to appease

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<v Speaker 5>this administration. They paid them the settlement, they produced over

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<v Speaker 5>thirteen thousand documents Jim to the FEC as they've launched

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<v Speaker 5>this bogus probe into their DEI practices, and they've tried

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<v Speaker 5>cooperating and it clearly has not worked, and so now

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<v Speaker 5>they're left with really no other choice but to file

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<v Speaker 5>a lawsuit.

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<v Speaker 3>And let's re see this week.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and Oliver, the coverage you guys have been doing

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<v Speaker 1>over at Status, we should mention the Status newsletter. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just been absolutely terrific reporting. But you know, the thing

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<v Speaker 1>that you mentioned there that I think was very important

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<v Speaker 1>is that, yes, ABC maybe putting their finger the wind

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<v Speaker 1>and saying Donald Trump, you're a lame duck president. You're

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<v Speaker 1>not very popular anymore. Now we could be more courageous. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that is that's not a great thing, So we can

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<v Speaker 1>put that to the side. But I will say it

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<v Speaker 1>is remarkable for ABC to have exposed this and to

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<v Speaker 1>have admitted that this has had a result on their

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<v Speaker 1>programming and editorial decision making. CBS has not done that.

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<v Speaker 1>We've needed to see people like Scott Pelley and Cecilia

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<v Speaker 1>Vega and Sharon Alfonsi. They've come out and blown the

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<v Speaker 1>whistle Barry Wise and what they've been doing over at

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<v Speaker 1>CBS and trying to meddle with sixty minutes to the

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<v Speaker 1>point where I don't know, should we even have faith

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<v Speaker 1>in what sixty minutes is going to look like this fall.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that that is a whole other question, but

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<v Speaker 1>ABC just revealing this to me is.

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<v Speaker 5>Very important, and they saided these as examples, and they

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<v Speaker 5>are clearly other examples.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, Jim government pressure.

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<v Speaker 5>When the President of the United States is saying, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>is making brazen threats to an organization like Disney, obviously

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<v Speaker 5>that's going to result in some editorial changes.

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<v Speaker 3>I think you're right.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's actually sort of nice that they've you know,

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<v Speaker 5>conceded that they had made these changes and are showcasing

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<v Speaker 5>for people that Donald Trump is chilling free speech in

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<v Speaker 5>this country. And here are a couple of examples of

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<v Speaker 5>where it's happened in our own backyard.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, you know.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, I don't think they should have ever obviously compromised,

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<v Speaker 5>and I think it's interesting that they they're admitting that

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<v Speaker 5>they have. But in same instance, it's kind of like,

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<v Speaker 5>here's a couple more examples of where this has happened.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, that's very true, and I guess maybe this

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<v Speaker 1>goes beyond where the reporting is right now, But I

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<v Speaker 1>sure as hell would love to know how this has

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<v Speaker 1>been going down, because I think this has been happening

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<v Speaker 1>at all the networks. I think it's happened at CNN.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's happened where there's been this government pressure.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been going on behind the scenes. I would love

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<v Speaker 1>to know what the phone calls have been, like, who's

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<v Speaker 1>been making the phone calls, who have they been talking to.

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<v Speaker 1>Are they getting through to network top executives and then

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<v Speaker 1>getting them on the phone, are their texts and emails?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I would love to know if any of

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of stuff exists, because you don't just all

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<v Speaker 1>of the sudden buckle the pressure.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, to me know, what was interesting too is the

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<v Speaker 5>speech that ABC is saying they carried on.

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<v Speaker 3>Their streaming platform.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, according to our reporting, CBS News was not planning

636
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<v Speaker 5>on carrying that on their broadcast linear channel, and they

637
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<v Speaker 5>had basically come up with a plan that they were

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<v Speaker 5>going to also stream it, and that that was something

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<v Speaker 5>Donald Trump did not want.

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<v Speaker 3>He wanted this to be carried on the broadcast channel.

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<v Speaker 5>And even as recently or as late as you know,

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<v Speaker 5>I think the speech air at nine o'clock. Tony Dakoppel

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<v Speaker 5>signed off the CBS Evening News at seven o'clock saying,

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<v Speaker 5>if you want to watch a speech, watch it on

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<v Speaker 5>CBS's streaming platform. Something happened between seven and eight pm

646
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<v Speaker 5>when at a PM they announced that they're going to

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<v Speaker 5>carry it live on a special and you know, ABC

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<v Speaker 5>is saying there was extraordinary government pressure. We never really

649
00:33:55.799 --> 00:33:59.559
<v Speaker 5>figured out why CBS carried it, and my suspicion is

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<v Speaker 5>that Dollar Trump probably was very unhappy when he got

651
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<v Speaker 5>word that they weren't planning on carrying it, and who

652
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<v Speaker 5>knows who he called, right or who his administration called.

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<v Speaker 5>There is a lot of government pressure on these outlets,

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<v Speaker 5>and a lot of it goes on behind the scenes,

655
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<v Speaker 5>and we never hear about it, and it has.

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<v Speaker 3>A chilling effect.

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<v Speaker 5>And I think that's why ABC is saying in their

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<v Speaker 5>lawsuit that if they lose this fight with the government,

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<v Speaker 5>then you can't say we have a free press anymore,

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00:34:26.920 --> 00:34:32.079
<v Speaker 5>because because the free press can't be free if government

661
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<v Speaker 5>is wielding its power to decide who gets to say

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<v Speaker 5>what on the air, how they get to say it,

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00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:41.599
<v Speaker 5>and the overall programming. I mean, we've seen Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 5>try censoring critics not only from news platforms but also

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<v Speaker 5>in comedy. Right and Stephen Colbert was canceled. Very interesting

666
00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:55.480
<v Speaker 5>cancelation there under David Ellison's tenure. Jimmy Kimmel, obviously there

667
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<v Speaker 5>was the instance where Donald Trump and his allies, we're

668
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<v Speaker 5>going after Jimmy Kimmel, wanting him fire, and he was

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<v Speaker 5>briefly placed on suspension at ABC. At ABC, and so

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<v Speaker 5>there's been all these instances and ABC is now basically saying,

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<v Speaker 5>you know what, We're going to stand up to the

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<v Speaker 5>school yard bully. We're not gonna try playing nice with

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<v Speaker 5>him anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>Hasn't worked.

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<v Speaker 5>And if we lose this battle, it's bigger than It's

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00:35:19.559 --> 00:35:23.840
<v Speaker 5>much bigger than us. It's about the entire idea and

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<v Speaker 5>concept of free speech in the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>That is so right. And if only we had organizations

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<v Speaker 1>in Washington, press organizations and Washington standing up for free

680
00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:36.440
<v Speaker 1>speech and standing up for freedom of the press. We

681
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<v Speaker 1>have dinners here that claim that we're standing up for

682
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<v Speaker 1>free press and so on, but they're not really putting

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<v Speaker 1>their money where their mouth is. I mean, one of

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<v Speaker 1>the things that happened this week at our old network

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<v Speaker 1>CNN is Kristen Holmes, the White House correspondent. She and

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<v Speaker 1>I used to work on the campaign trail together. I

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<v Speaker 1>think she's a good reporter, and you know, she was

688
00:35:56.719 --> 00:35:58.800
<v Speaker 1>just doing her job the other day trying to ask

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<v Speaker 1>Trump about you know what John Ossoff said about Natalie Harp,

690
00:36:02.920 --> 00:36:05.679
<v Speaker 1>but about North Korea. So totally legitimate questions. I mean,

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00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:08.880
<v Speaker 1>these are not out of out of nowhere, left field questions,

692
00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:12.079
<v Speaker 1>and Trump blows up, blows his top, which is not

693
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<v Speaker 1>totally out of the ordinary, but for the Rapid Response

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<v Speaker 1>Unit over at the White House, Rapid Response forty seven

695
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<v Speaker 1>to put out a tweet that says, someday your children

696
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<v Speaker 1>will come across your disgusting and inhumane question. They will

697
00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:27.039
<v Speaker 1>be sick and the embarrassed to have a parent be

698
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<v Speaker 1>so callous and dendictive. What did you think about this, Oliver,

699
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<v Speaker 1>Because I thought it was absolutely disgusting, absolutely appalling, shameful

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<v Speaker 1>behavior on the part of this White House.

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<v Speaker 3>And zep Warrant.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, I think you're exactly right, and you know,

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00:36:40.119 --> 00:36:43.880
<v Speaker 5>this White House would be very angry and upset if

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<v Speaker 5>anyone invoked any of Donald Trump's kids, you know, for

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<v Speaker 5>the most part in something like this. First of all,

706
00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:52.079
<v Speaker 5>her questions were totally legitimate. So the fact that they're

707
00:36:52.119 --> 00:36:56.000
<v Speaker 5>so triggered, you know, says something. These people rant against space,

708
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<v Speaker 5>safe spaces, and then they really want to safe space

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<v Speaker 5>a little safe bubble for Donald Trump because he's so

710
00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:03.599
<v Speaker 5>thin skinned. But the fact that the government, the United

711
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<v Speaker 5>States government, we're paying these people, by the way, right,

712
00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:08.119
<v Speaker 5>these are the people, these are public servants that we

713
00:37:08.159 --> 00:37:10.559
<v Speaker 5>are paying with our taxpayer fund of dollars, that they're

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00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:13.719
<v Speaker 5>putting out statements as reprehensible as that. Going after someone's

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<v Speaker 5>children and saying that she's a vindictive person or whatever

716
00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:21.599
<v Speaker 5>garbage they were floating is disgusting, and I think everyone

717
00:37:21.639 --> 00:37:23.039
<v Speaker 5>should be able to say that. And I thought it

718
00:37:23.079 --> 00:37:26.519
<v Speaker 5>was disgusting how Donald Trump was invited to the White

719
00:37:26.559 --> 00:37:31.519
<v Speaker 5>House Correspondence dinner and given a platform to smear reporters,

720
00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:37.880
<v Speaker 5>and he launched another really reprehensible attack against Kayling Collins, yeah,

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00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:41.760
<v Speaker 5>from CNN as well, at that dinner. And I didn't

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<v Speaker 5>hear the White House Correspondence Association say anything afterward about

723
00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:47.440
<v Speaker 5>the attacks that Donald Trump had launched with the platform

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<v Speaker 5>they had given him.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. Nothing is stacred with these people, and not

726
00:37:53.559 --> 00:37:56.360
<v Speaker 1>even people's children. And Donald Trump goes after Hunt, used

727
00:37:56.360 --> 00:37:58.079
<v Speaker 1>to go after Hunter Biden, all the time to the

728
00:37:58.079 --> 00:37:59.880
<v Speaker 1>point now people want to hear what Hunter Biden has

729
00:37:59.920 --> 00:38:02.159
<v Speaker 1>to say, so, I mean, there is that. But the

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<v Speaker 1>other thing too is and I was looking at this,

731
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<v Speaker 1>and I don't know, Oliver, if you covered this, but

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<v Speaker 1>I've been looking from time to time at the White

733
00:38:08.920 --> 00:38:13.519
<v Speaker 1>House Correspondence Association Twitter account and their website to see

734
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<v Speaker 1>if they had put out a statement or anything. Nothing

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<v Speaker 1>as of right now, as far as I know, you know,

736
00:38:19.280 --> 00:38:21.599
<v Speaker 1>four forty in the afternoon here on the East Coast, Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 1>August nineteenth, I haven't seen any kind of statement. Correct

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<v Speaker 1>me if I'm wrong. I think that's terrible. How can

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<v Speaker 1>you not, as an organization that represents White House journalists,

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<v Speaker 1>not say something like we condemn the White House invoking

741
00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:38.559
<v Speaker 1>the children of a reporter in attacking that that journalist questions.

742
00:38:38.920 --> 00:38:43.320
<v Speaker 1>I just it's it's such weak sauce. Where are we as?

743
00:38:43.519 --> 00:38:45.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I guess maybe I'm independent media now, so

744
00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:48.320
<v Speaker 1>I shouldn't think of myself as part of that we.

745
00:38:48.880 --> 00:38:50.760
<v Speaker 1>But I used to be part of that we, and

746
00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:53.760
<v Speaker 1>it's just so disappointing and sad.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't understand it, Jim,

748
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<v Speaker 5>I mean, yeah, here. I'm I'm as mystified as you

749
00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:06.239
<v Speaker 5>as why there aren't stronger statements when Donald Trump. I mean,

750
00:39:06.360 --> 00:39:10.880
<v Speaker 5>he has gone after the press in such terrible ways.

751
00:39:11.079 --> 00:39:14.079
<v Speaker 5>I mean from Miss Piggy to I mean, you just

752
00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:16.480
<v Speaker 5>go down the list, particularly female reporters who seem to

753
00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:21.280
<v Speaker 5>get under his skin in a particular way, and you

754
00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:24.800
<v Speaker 5>don't see, you know, often a strong response from the

755
00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:28.000
<v Speaker 5>White House Correspondence Association. I think they would say, you

756
00:39:28.039 --> 00:39:32.880
<v Speaker 5>know that their job is not to constantly respond to

757
00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:35.360
<v Speaker 5>Donald Trump's attacks, but I think these attacks across.

758
00:39:35.079 --> 00:39:38.559
<v Speaker 3>A very big, bright red line, and.

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<v Speaker 5>At some point, you know, you would like to see

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00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:45.440
<v Speaker 5>the White House Press Corps united and say something against,

761
00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:48.000
<v Speaker 5>you know, when these are things happen on their colleagues.

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00:39:48.679 --> 00:39:50.800
<v Speaker 5>And I think the Pentagon Press Corps has actually done

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<v Speaker 5>an excellent job standing together and saying, you know, we're

764
00:39:55.199 --> 00:39:57.559
<v Speaker 5>not going to stand for this sort of thing. And

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<v Speaker 5>they don't need to be in the in the Pentagon

766
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<v Speaker 5>to do tough reporting and really eye opening reporting on

767
00:40:03.599 --> 00:40:06.239
<v Speaker 5>what's happening in the Department of Defense with Pete haig

768
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<v Speaker 5>Seth and if the worry is that the White House

769
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<v Speaker 5>Press Corps is going to lose access to the White House.

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<v Speaker 5>Do they need to necessarily be on the lawn of

771
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<v Speaker 5>the White House podcasting? They can go outside those gates

772
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<v Speaker 5>and broadcast right outside those gates, And I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 5>a lot would change, you know, I don't know what

774
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<v Speaker 5>value there is sitting in a press briefing when the

775
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<v Speaker 5>Press Secretary is not answering questions, using the platform that

776
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<v Speaker 5>she's been given to launch attacks against the media and

777
00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:39.719
<v Speaker 5>villainize the press, and not answering any questions. It's not

778
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<v Speaker 5>like Caroline Levitt was getting up there and saying, oh,

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<v Speaker 5>you asked me this really important question on behalf of

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<v Speaker 5>the American people, let me now provide you the transparent answer.

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<v Speaker 5>She was saying, you are fake news? Why you should

782
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<v Speaker 5>be a shamed for answering that question?

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<v Speaker 1>Next? Right, that's right.

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00:40:53.320 --> 00:40:54.840
<v Speaker 3>So if you lose access to that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what are you losing access to?

786
00:40:57.800 --> 00:40:58.199
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm a daily punching bag.

788
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<v Speaker 3>We do a lot of.

789
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<v Speaker 5>Reporting on a lot of organizations. You know, right now,

790
00:41:05.239 --> 00:41:07.760
<v Speaker 5>we're doing a lot of reporting on CBS News. I

791
00:41:07.800 --> 00:41:12.320
<v Speaker 5>don't need to be inside CBS news halls to have

792
00:41:12.400 --> 00:41:16.159
<v Speaker 5>conversations with sources and to break news about that organization.

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00:41:16.239 --> 00:41:18.039
<v Speaker 3>And so if the worry.

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<v Speaker 5>Is that there's going to be a loss of access

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<v Speaker 5>to the White House grounds, I understand why they want

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00:41:23.039 --> 00:41:27.079
<v Speaker 5>that access, But at the same time, you know, do

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<v Speaker 5>you necessarily need it?

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<v Speaker 1>I know, well, it feels nice to walk through those

799
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<v Speaker 1>gates and have you know, the access and you know,

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00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:37.480
<v Speaker 1>cameras and lights and all that. People don't want to

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00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:39.679
<v Speaker 1>give that up. It's cushy gig and it's nice.

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<v Speaker 5>And I meant, Baberman has done some of the best

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<v Speaker 5>reporting on Donald Trump, and she often does it from

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<v Speaker 5>New York City.

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00:41:49.800 --> 00:41:52.119
<v Speaker 1>I rarely, I mean I used to rarely see her

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00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:54.480
<v Speaker 1>around the White House because she she would just get

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00:41:54.480 --> 00:41:55.760
<v Speaker 1>in touch with the people she needed to talk to

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00:41:55.800 --> 00:41:57.480
<v Speaker 1>you to find out what was going on. And you

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<v Speaker 1>do mention CBS Oliver and I mentioned it earlier. What

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<v Speaker 1>is going to happen with CBS ultimately? I mean, it

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00:42:03.360 --> 00:42:06.559
<v Speaker 1>is such a poster child for everything that has gone

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<v Speaker 1>wrong with the media in this second Trump term. And

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't know, are we gonna should we sit

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<v Speaker 1>around the living room and watch sixty minutes. I just

815
00:42:16.360 --> 00:42:18.639
<v Speaker 1>feel like we're It's not sixty minutes is not going

816
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<v Speaker 1>to be sixty minutes anymore, just like CBS News is

817
00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:24.559
<v Speaker 1>not CBS News anymore. And it's it is so god

818
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<v Speaker 1>awful and tragic. I've had CBS people reach out to me.

819
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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I can't obviously can't reveal who they are,

820
00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:33.119
<v Speaker 1>just like you can't reveal who you talk to. But

821
00:42:33.159 --> 00:42:37.320
<v Speaker 1>people are just absolutely panic stricken over what is going

822
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<v Speaker 1>on inside that news organization. And it's it's it's just awful.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you talked about earlier why people are turning to

824
00:42:44.320 --> 00:42:47.480
<v Speaker 5>independent media, and I think it's because the decisions being

825
00:42:47.559 --> 00:42:49.280
<v Speaker 5>made across the across the industry.

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00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:50.960
<v Speaker 3>The CBS News is a.

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<v Speaker 5>Good avatar for why people don't trust a lot of

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00:42:53.679 --> 00:42:56.280
<v Speaker 5>the corporate press anymore. And because they have an owner

829
00:42:56.360 --> 00:42:59.480
<v Speaker 5>who has decided to kowtow to Trump for a larger

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<v Speaker 5>business reason.

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<v Speaker 3>And uh and.

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<v Speaker 5>They've you know, I mean, made a lot of editorial

833
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<v Speaker 5>decisions that run counter to what you would expect from

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<v Speaker 5>a news organization.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 5>I think news organizations Jim at their cores, are supposed

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<v Speaker 5>to hold the powerful to account. They're supposed to say, uh,

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<v Speaker 5>speak truth to whomever, regardless of how powerful they are.

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<v Speaker 5>They're they are supposed to shine light in dark areas.

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<v Speaker 5>And they're not supposed to sign off the Evening News

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<v Speaker 5>saluting you know, Marco Ribio, Right, that's not They're not

842
00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:37.039
<v Speaker 5>supposed to do softball interviews with Donald Trump. They're not

843
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<v Speaker 5>supposed to hold dinners honoring Donald Trump with their you know,

844
00:43:40.880 --> 00:43:43.159
<v Speaker 5>with CBS News correspondence, there's a lot of things with

845
00:43:43.239 --> 00:43:46.599
<v Speaker 5>CBS News and paramounts have done that have destroyed trust

846
00:43:46.599 --> 00:43:47.320
<v Speaker 5>in that brand.

847
00:43:47.960 --> 00:43:52.079
<v Speaker 3>And you know, I mean then the even Jim inviting.

848
00:43:51.639 --> 00:43:53.679
<v Speaker 5>Pete Haigseth to sit at your table at the White

849
00:43:53.679 --> 00:43:56.960
<v Speaker 5>House correspondent syndiom. This is a man who has said

850
00:43:57.079 --> 00:44:01.000
<v Speaker 5>to the press, the entire press corps, including like Fox News,

851
00:44:01.480 --> 00:44:04.239
<v Speaker 5>that they are no longer to be allowed inside the Pentagon.

852
00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:06.119
<v Speaker 5>He expelled them from the Pentagon that used.

853
00:44:06.039 --> 00:44:08.840
<v Speaker 1>To America hating. He says, they hate America.

854
00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:11.599
<v Speaker 5>I mean, and you're going to invite him to your table.

855
00:44:12.159 --> 00:44:16.920
<v Speaker 5>I don't It makes it's it's insane, It makes no

856
00:44:16.960 --> 00:44:21.840
<v Speaker 5>sense in you you know, you talk about CBS News,

857
00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:23.840
<v Speaker 5>I think a lot of people inside that organization it's

858
00:44:23.840 --> 00:44:26.440
<v Speaker 5>a it's an organization with it an incredible legacy.

859
00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:27.559
<v Speaker 3>I mean, this is where Edward R.

860
00:44:27.679 --> 00:44:31.360
<v Speaker 5>Murrow was right, this was this is These are the

861
00:44:31.360 --> 00:44:34.679
<v Speaker 5>people who sit up against McCarthyism. The fact that they

862
00:44:34.719 --> 00:44:38.159
<v Speaker 5>are now taking the opposite position and turning their back

863
00:44:38.199 --> 00:44:42.159
<v Speaker 5>on their own legacy is extremely disturbing to a lot

864
00:44:42.239 --> 00:44:44.119
<v Speaker 5>of people who have worked at CBS News for their

865
00:44:44.239 --> 00:44:47.039
<v Speaker 5>entire lives or decades. I mean, I mean, it's not

866
00:44:47.119 --> 00:44:49.639
<v Speaker 5>just like people start at CBS News or sixty minutes

867
00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:51.440
<v Speaker 5>and they worked there for a few years and going.

868
00:44:51.559 --> 00:44:53.760
<v Speaker 5>A lot of these people have worked there their entire lives.

869
00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:56.559
<v Speaker 5>They poured their souls into this organization. They've gone to

870
00:44:56.639 --> 00:44:59.719
<v Speaker 5>war zones on behalf of this organization, and they really

871
00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:04.000
<v Speaker 5>belie in the mission of not only CBS News but

872
00:45:04.039 --> 00:45:08.639
<v Speaker 5>of the broader free press. And I think they are

873
00:45:09.280 --> 00:45:11.199
<v Speaker 5>you know, there's a lot of people in that organization

874
00:45:11.360 --> 00:45:14.880
<v Speaker 5>distraught about what's happening, what David Ellison wants to happen.

875
00:45:14.920 --> 00:45:17.239
<v Speaker 3>And the same goes for CNN.

876
00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:20.159
<v Speaker 5>A lot of people inside CNN are looking at what's

877
00:45:20.199 --> 00:45:25.239
<v Speaker 5>happening at CSNUE. It's almost like seeing like something mutilated

878
00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:26.960
<v Speaker 5>in front of you and you know you're next in line,

879
00:45:27.519 --> 00:45:30.079
<v Speaker 5>and you're just watching horror. And I think that's what's

880
00:45:30.079 --> 00:45:34.840
<v Speaker 5>happening also at CNN where they are really worried that.

881
00:45:34.760 --> 00:45:37.480
<v Speaker 3>David Ellison is going to take control so much so Jim.

882
00:45:37.639 --> 00:45:40.760
<v Speaker 5>We've reported that like Paula Reid, who is a chief

883
00:45:40.840 --> 00:45:46.119
<v Speaker 5>legal affairs correspondent at CNN, she decided to not renew

884
00:45:46.119 --> 00:45:49.400
<v Speaker 5>her contract because she in part, had a lot of

885
00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:50.440
<v Speaker 5>worries about this deal.

886
00:45:50.480 --> 00:45:52.159
<v Speaker 3>And David Ellison and Barry Wise and.

887
00:45:52.119 --> 00:45:54.880
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, and David Elison is playing hardball. He's saying,

888
00:45:54.920 --> 00:45:57.559
<v Speaker 1>if I don't get my way, we may just pull

889
00:45:57.639 --> 00:46:01.719
<v Speaker 1>Paramount out of Los Angeles. So now we're doing hostage taking.

890
00:46:01.760 --> 00:46:05.000
<v Speaker 1>I guess that's what's happening. He's gonna he wants to.

891
00:46:05.239 --> 00:46:08.360
<v Speaker 1>He may go ahead and just say we're going to

892
00:46:08.440 --> 00:46:12.440
<v Speaker 1>damage the local economy of Los Angeles. Uh, if you

893
00:46:12.440 --> 00:46:14.719
<v Speaker 1>don't give us what we want, that's hostage taking.

894
00:46:15.079 --> 00:46:17.239
<v Speaker 3>The California Attorney General said it's blackmail.

895
00:46:17.599 --> 00:46:18.280
<v Speaker 1>It's blackmail.

896
00:46:18.679 --> 00:46:20.880
<v Speaker 3>It's black one. He's not going to stand for it.

897
00:46:20.960 --> 00:46:23.079
<v Speaker 3>We'll see what happens. Happens to have a hard.

898
00:46:22.880 --> 00:46:26.559
<v Speaker 5>Time gym thinking they're going to close the iconic Paramount

899
00:46:26.599 --> 00:46:29.360
<v Speaker 5>lot or the Warner Brothers lot and and move. I mean,

900
00:46:29.360 --> 00:46:32.519
<v Speaker 5>that's going to be a hourriculum task alone and expensive

901
00:46:32.559 --> 00:46:32.920
<v Speaker 5>one too.

902
00:46:33.519 --> 00:46:35.800
<v Speaker 1>You have fun making movies in Austin, Texas when it's

903
00:46:35.800 --> 00:46:38.119
<v Speaker 1>one hundred and five degrees in July, you know.

904
00:46:38.159 --> 00:46:40.440
<v Speaker 5>Like hey, or in the South when it's swampy in

905
00:46:40.480 --> 00:46:43.039
<v Speaker 5>the summer and it's raining. I mean that there's a

906
00:46:43.079 --> 00:46:45.880
<v Speaker 5>reason they're in Hollywood. It's because it's actually pleasant weather

907
00:46:46.119 --> 00:46:48.599
<v Speaker 5>year around and you can kind of shoot whenever. And

908
00:46:48.639 --> 00:46:51.800
<v Speaker 5>also you're going to chase away talent. And there's a

909
00:46:51.800 --> 00:46:56.159
<v Speaker 5>whole host of reasons why this business is in California and.

910
00:46:56.159 --> 00:47:00.079
<v Speaker 3>Why every studio is there. But you know, this is this.

911
00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:01.039
<v Speaker 1>Is where we're at.

912
00:47:01.119 --> 00:47:03.440
<v Speaker 5>And these people, a lot of them have been empowered,

913
00:47:04.599 --> 00:47:06.559
<v Speaker 5>uh for a number of reasons, and they've you know,

914
00:47:06.920 --> 00:47:11.039
<v Speaker 5>not only has David Ellison given what Donald Trump wants.

915
00:47:11.320 --> 00:47:13.880
<v Speaker 5>You know, he's he's certainly said the right things to

916
00:47:13.920 --> 00:47:16.119
<v Speaker 5>Donald Trump, him and his father, because Donald Trump sings

917
00:47:16.159 --> 00:47:18.880
<v Speaker 5>their praises in public all the time and his administration

918
00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:20.719
<v Speaker 5>figures are saying we can't wait for them to take

919
00:47:20.760 --> 00:47:24.440
<v Speaker 5>over CNN. But Donald Trump has apparently scratched their back

920
00:47:24.480 --> 00:47:26.840
<v Speaker 5>as well. I mean, there was a report in the

921
00:47:26.880 --> 00:47:30.199
<v Speaker 5>Wall Street Journal that the Department of Justice the career

922
00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:33.920
<v Speaker 5>prosecutors looking at that merger had some real concerns and

923
00:47:34.360 --> 00:47:38.159
<v Speaker 5>might have sue to stop this this merger, and they

924
00:47:38.199 --> 00:47:42.199
<v Speaker 5>were overridden by by more senior people inside the DJ

925
00:47:42.320 --> 00:47:46.199
<v Speaker 5>and Sidney Trump's DOJ. So you know, that's these that's

926
00:47:46.280 --> 00:47:47.719
<v Speaker 5>kind of where we are in this country, and it's

927
00:47:48.079 --> 00:47:51.079
<v Speaker 5>you You think that this sort of thing can't happen

928
00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:53.719
<v Speaker 5>in the United States, but it's happening before ours.

929
00:47:54.599 --> 00:47:57.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's it's deeply disturbing. And I think what

930
00:47:57.119 --> 00:48:01.239
<v Speaker 1>you said earlier, Oliver is dead on it is absolutely right,

931
00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:03.679
<v Speaker 1>and that is we don't really have a free press

932
00:48:03.719 --> 00:48:06.280
<v Speaker 1>in this country right now as long as the government

933
00:48:06.400 --> 00:48:09.960
<v Speaker 1>has that kind of leverage over these media companies. I mean,

934
00:48:10.000 --> 00:48:14.719
<v Speaker 1>you mentioned the legacy of CBS. I mean David Ellison

935
00:48:14.760 --> 00:48:17.840
<v Speaker 1>has purchased the legacy of CBS and he's sold it

936
00:48:17.880 --> 00:48:21.199
<v Speaker 1>down the river and he's handed it over to Donald Trump.

937
00:48:21.280 --> 00:48:24.320
<v Speaker 1>So there, I mean, in essence, the legacy of CBS

938
00:48:24.400 --> 00:48:27.000
<v Speaker 1>is part of American television history, but it's not something

939
00:48:27.079 --> 00:48:31.599
<v Speaker 1>that is intact right now. Something else has happened at CBS,

940
00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:34.280
<v Speaker 1>and I think it is why you know, that is

941
00:48:34.320 --> 00:48:36.840
<v Speaker 1>part of the reason why independent media is emerging the

942
00:48:36.840 --> 00:48:39.760
<v Speaker 1>way it is right now, and hopefully collectively as a

943
00:48:39.840 --> 00:48:42.719
<v Speaker 1>as a as an institution, maybe we're becoming an institution.

944
00:48:42.760 --> 00:48:44.559
<v Speaker 1>We'll get our act together on a whole host of fronts.

945
00:48:44.599 --> 00:48:47.280
<v Speaker 1>We'll have news gathering capabilities that maybe we don't have

946
00:48:47.400 --> 00:48:49.159
<v Speaker 1>right now. In a couple of years from now, you

947
00:48:49.199 --> 00:48:52.920
<v Speaker 1>are obviously doing news gathering where you are. But I

948
00:48:53.320 --> 00:48:57.119
<v Speaker 1>do think that this, this this side of the of

949
00:48:57.199 --> 00:49:00.639
<v Speaker 1>the of the business is going to continue to evolve

950
00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:03.719
<v Speaker 1>in very positive ways that I think are going to

951
00:49:03.760 --> 00:49:05.360
<v Speaker 1>be a good thing. And it goes back to what

952
00:49:05.400 --> 00:49:08.000
<v Speaker 1>Heather was saying earlier in the earlier conversation. It's just

953
00:49:08.360 --> 00:49:11.280
<v Speaker 1>that maybe it's sort of like that old Jurassic Park line,

954
00:49:11.400 --> 00:49:12.400
<v Speaker 1>nature finds a way.

955
00:49:12.880 --> 00:49:14.679
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I was gonna say, the truth finds away, Jim,

956
00:49:14.880 --> 00:49:17.440
<v Speaker 5>the truth finds away. It finds a way, And even

957
00:49:17.480 --> 00:49:22.920
<v Speaker 5>in the most authoritarian places in the world, the truth

958
00:49:22.960 --> 00:49:25.159
<v Speaker 5>finds away. It might it might be, might not be

959
00:49:25.239 --> 00:49:27.800
<v Speaker 5>an easy way out, but it will, it will come out.

960
00:49:27.880 --> 00:49:32.360
<v Speaker 5>And I think, you know, regardless of whether it's disseminated

961
00:49:32.400 --> 00:49:35.679
<v Speaker 5>by legacy media or whether it's on YouTube, it has

962
00:49:35.719 --> 00:49:39.159
<v Speaker 5>an impact and the stuff spreads, and you know, even

963
00:49:39.159 --> 00:49:42.360
<v Speaker 5>with David Ellison. I think that's not normally a story

964
00:49:42.400 --> 00:49:44.320
<v Speaker 5>that the American public would pay a lot of attention to.

965
00:49:44.440 --> 00:49:45.960
<v Speaker 3>This is a this is a guy who should be

966
00:49:46.039 --> 00:49:46.960
<v Speaker 3>kind of invisible, right.

967
00:49:47.000 --> 00:49:50.320
<v Speaker 5>He's a he's the he shouldn't be He's not an actor,

968
00:49:50.320 --> 00:49:52.920
<v Speaker 5>he's not a major star. He shouldn't be visible to

969
00:49:52.920 --> 00:49:55.159
<v Speaker 5>the American people. People shouldn't know who Brendan Carr is.

970
00:49:55.199 --> 00:49:58.679
<v Speaker 3>He's an FCC chair like, that's not that's not someone

971
00:49:58.719 --> 00:49:59.920
<v Speaker 3>that's supposed to be from.

972
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:02.000
<v Speaker 1>We haven't cared about the SEC in like twenty years.

973
00:50:02.199 --> 00:50:04.519
<v Speaker 5>No, But the fact that people know who these people

974
00:50:04.519 --> 00:50:07.360
<v Speaker 5>are and they know what they're up to indicates to

975
00:50:07.480 --> 00:50:10.000
<v Speaker 5>me that it's seeped into the public consciousness. And they

976
00:50:10.000 --> 00:50:13.079
<v Speaker 5>can try stamping out critics all day long, and they

977
00:50:13.079 --> 00:50:16.519
<v Speaker 5>can try censoring comedians and going after the press and

978
00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:20.559
<v Speaker 5>filing lawsuits, but it's not going to work. And now

979
00:50:20.599 --> 00:50:24.320
<v Speaker 5>more than ever, people are more empowered to get the

980
00:50:24.360 --> 00:50:27.480
<v Speaker 5>truth out, get reporting out to the public.

981
00:50:27.559 --> 00:50:29.360
<v Speaker 3>And so while it can be maybe this is a

982
00:50:29.360 --> 00:50:29.920
<v Speaker 3>good note to.

983
00:50:29.920 --> 00:50:33.800
<v Speaker 5>End on Jim, it can't be disheartening to see some

984
00:50:33.960 --> 00:50:38.840
<v Speaker 5>organizations kaw taw and cave to pressure. There are a

985
00:50:38.920 --> 00:50:41.039
<v Speaker 5>lot of other people who are refusing to do that

986
00:50:41.760 --> 00:50:45.119
<v Speaker 5>and are finding homes in different places.

987
00:50:45.400 --> 00:50:49.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, very true, very good point. And Oliver, thank you

988
00:50:49.280 --> 00:50:51.760
<v Speaker 1>so much for joining us again against It's the Status Newsletter.

989
00:50:51.840 --> 00:50:55.239
<v Speaker 1>If you don't have the Status Newsletter, subscribe, it's terrific.

990
00:50:55.559 --> 00:50:57.920
<v Speaker 1>Oliver a former colleague of mind, I still feel like

991
00:50:57.920 --> 00:51:00.280
<v Speaker 1>we are kind of like colleagues, but you're the.

992
00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:01.440
<v Speaker 3>Found colleagues in a different sense.

993
00:51:01.480 --> 00:51:03.519
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, in a different sense. That's right. Part of

994
00:51:03.559 --> 00:51:07.199
<v Speaker 1>the revolution, vivl revolution. Oliver. Great to see you, man.

995
00:51:07.480 --> 00:51:08.079
<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much.

996
00:51:08.119 --> 00:51:11.519
<v Speaker 1>Jim, thank you man. Appreciate it. And I was going

997
00:51:11.559 --> 00:51:15.239
<v Speaker 1>to stall for time when we couldn't get Oliver ready

998
00:51:16.159 --> 00:51:19.639
<v Speaker 1>there on the spot by playing this clip on Fox

999
00:51:19.719 --> 00:51:23.239
<v Speaker 1>News where I guess they were trying to say that

1000
00:51:23.639 --> 00:51:25.880
<v Speaker 1>the gas prices right now aren't that bad because a

1001
00:51:25.960 --> 00:51:29.119
<v Speaker 1>year ago is roughly the same price, and it was

1002
00:51:29.119 --> 00:51:30.480
<v Speaker 1>complete worship. We should play U.

1003
00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:34.199
<v Speaker 6>Yesterday we heard a graphic that showed gas prices incorrectly

1004
00:51:34.519 --> 00:51:36.840
<v Speaker 6>last year were four dollars and thirteen cents a gallon.

1005
00:51:37.039 --> 00:51:38.199
<v Speaker 3>There in fact four dollars and.

1006
00:51:38.280 --> 00:51:42.239
<v Speaker 6>Thirteen three dollars and thirteen cents a gallon. That's ninety

1007
00:51:42.320 --> 00:51:45.480
<v Speaker 6>cents more in the past year. The Trump administration says

1008
00:51:45.679 --> 00:51:48.400
<v Speaker 6>those gas prices will fall quickly once the operations in

1009
00:51:48.400 --> 00:51:49.159
<v Speaker 6>Iran end.

1010
00:51:49.840 --> 00:51:52.440
<v Speaker 1>And there's the Fox cleanup they had to clean up

1011
00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:55.599
<v Speaker 1>on Aisle sixteen hundred, where that reporter there had to

1012
00:51:55.639 --> 00:51:57.480
<v Speaker 1>come on and say, no, no, no, it wasn't four

1013
00:51:57.519 --> 00:51:59.320
<v Speaker 1>dollars and thirteen cents a year is three dollars and

1014
00:51:59.360 --> 00:52:01.960
<v Speaker 1>thirteen cents a year ago. And now you're paying about

1015
00:52:02.000 --> 00:52:05.960
<v Speaker 1>ninety cents a gallon more for your gas. You know,

1016
00:52:06.039 --> 00:52:09.000
<v Speaker 1>forgive Fox or don't forgive Fox, I should say, for

1017
00:52:09.159 --> 00:52:11.159
<v Speaker 1>trying to pull the wool over your eyes and bullshit

1018
00:52:11.239 --> 00:52:12.880
<v Speaker 1>you about the state of the economy right now. The

1019
00:52:12.880 --> 00:52:15.079
<v Speaker 1>American people know exactly what the state of the economy

1020
00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:17.599
<v Speaker 1>is right now. They know they are getting the shaft

1021
00:52:17.719 --> 00:52:19.880
<v Speaker 1>at the gas pump. They know they're getting the shaft

1022
00:52:19.960 --> 00:52:22.159
<v Speaker 1>at the grocery store. And I'm going to tell you

1023
00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:24.400
<v Speaker 1>that you may be getting the shaft in ways that

1024
00:52:24.440 --> 00:52:27.480
<v Speaker 1>you hadn't thought about in some time, depending on how

1025
00:52:27.559 --> 00:52:30.880
<v Speaker 1>this economy is managed or mismanaged by Trump and his

1026
00:52:31.000 --> 00:52:32.760
<v Speaker 1>motley crew over at the White House. I'm just gonna

1027
00:52:32.760 --> 00:52:35.440
<v Speaker 1>read this because I don't typically do this during the show.

1028
00:52:35.679 --> 00:52:38.079
<v Speaker 1>On occasion when Sam is here, He'll be like, Jim,

1029
00:52:38.119 --> 00:52:40.320
<v Speaker 1>there's breaking news, and I'll say, well, you know, maybe

1030
00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:42.480
<v Speaker 1>we talk about this, maybe we won't. I do want

1031
00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:44.440
<v Speaker 1>to mention this one piece of breaking news before we go.

1032
00:52:45.159 --> 00:52:47.239
<v Speaker 1>The US debt. This, according to the New York Times,

1033
00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:49.599
<v Speaker 1>has just came out. The US debt. The national debt

1034
00:52:49.760 --> 00:52:55.079
<v Speaker 1>has hit forty trillion dollars. Forty trillion dollars. This just happened.

1035
00:52:55.320 --> 00:52:59.960
<v Speaker 1>Happened today. Apparently this is official. This courting New York Times,

1036
00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:03.239
<v Speaker 1>America's gross national debt has topped forty trillion dollars for

1037
00:53:03.280 --> 00:53:06.679
<v Speaker 1>the first time, in an ominous milestone for an economy

1038
00:53:06.719 --> 00:53:09.840
<v Speaker 1>that sits on a shaky fiscal foundation. After decades of

1039
00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:12.360
<v Speaker 1>borrowing to pay for the rising costs of the military,

1040
00:53:12.599 --> 00:53:15.400
<v Speaker 1>social safety net programs, and Donald Trump's tax cuts. This

1041
00:53:15.519 --> 00:53:17.639
<v Speaker 1>year alone, the United States is on track to borrow

1042
00:53:17.639 --> 00:53:21.119
<v Speaker 1>more than two trillion dollars to help pay for its obligations,

1043
00:53:21.119 --> 00:53:23.960
<v Speaker 1>including spending on the war in Iran and the sweeping

1044
00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:26.960
<v Speaker 1>tax cuts that Republicans enacted in twenty twenty five. So

1045
00:53:28.159 --> 00:53:30.760
<v Speaker 1>Fox News may fuck this up and not be able

1046
00:53:30.760 --> 00:53:32.679
<v Speaker 1>to tell you what the price of gallon is, which

1047
00:53:32.719 --> 00:53:35.639
<v Speaker 1>really any competent monkey would be able to do. But

1048
00:53:35.639 --> 00:53:37.880
<v Speaker 1>at Fox, it's too challenging to tell you what the

1049
00:53:37.920 --> 00:53:41.599
<v Speaker 1>exact price of gas is at any given moment. I mean,

1050
00:53:41.840 --> 00:53:45.119
<v Speaker 1>it's astounding what they do over there. But ladies and gentlemen,

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<v Speaker 1>I would love to know whether or not, by this

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<v Speaker 1>time tomorrow whether Fox is going to report that the

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<v Speaker 1>national debt has hit forty trillion dollars. Are we going

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<v Speaker 1>to report on how Donald Trump has crashed this economy

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<v Speaker 1>into the ground, because I mean, it seems to me

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<v Speaker 1>that that is what's coming down the pike and he

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<v Speaker 1>and and for folks I see Byron Donald's go on

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<v Speaker 1>the news and try to blame the state of the

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<v Speaker 1>economy on Joe Biden, who has been out of office

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<v Speaker 1>for two years. Get the fuck out of here, Get

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<v Speaker 1>the fuck out of here, Byron Donalds. Donald Trump is

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<v Speaker 1>the one who wanted to extend his tax cuts. Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump is the one who took this country into a

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<v Speaker 1>war of choice in the middle of something he said

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<v Speaker 1>he would never do, and then he did it. And

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<v Speaker 1>he was so confident because of his reality TV game

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<v Speaker 1>show magic, that he was going to get the country

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<v Speaker 1>out of this in five or six weeks and we're

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<v Speaker 1>still stuck in it. And all summer long, people took

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<v Speaker 1>their family vacations, loaded the kids into the car, and

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<v Speaker 1>got the shaft every time they went to the gas pump.

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<v Speaker 1>And now the national debt, because we have pete hexeth

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<v Speaker 1>over at the Pentagon, we can't manage a war, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're scaring off all the generals and they're firing confident generals.

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<v Speaker 1>They've screwed themselves with the war with Iran, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>going to continue to cost us money. And so, ladies

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<v Speaker 1>and gentlemen, the bills are starting to pile up. And

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<v Speaker 1>for those of us who are responsible adults and grown

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<v Speaker 1>ups and know something when it comes to managing a

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<v Speaker 1>family budget of our own, balancing our own checkbook at home,

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<v Speaker 1>taking care of our own fiscal affairs at home, we

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<v Speaker 1>all know what is coming down the pike. We all

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<v Speaker 1>know what is possibly coming down the pike. We've seen

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<v Speaker 1>we had a financial crisis. Was it eighteen years ago?

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<v Speaker 1>You think we're immune to that. Now when the national debt,

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<v Speaker 1>ladies and gentlemen, h's forty trillion dollars. We need to

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<v Speaker 1>be paying attention to a lot more than just the

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<v Speaker 1>human printer and Donald Trump's binky over at the White House.

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<v Speaker 1>Natalie Harp is not going to be able to leave

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<v Speaker 1>too many personal notes behind, in personal letters behind for

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump to cheer him up if he crashes this

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<v Speaker 1>economy into into the ground, which is the way it's

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<v Speaker 1>looking right now, and it's shaping up to be a

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<v Speaker 1>very serious situation on the fiscal front. I saw this

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<v Speaker 1>as Oliver and I were talking. A little thing flashed

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<v Speaker 1>up on my screen, and you know, this is what happens, ladies, gylemen.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what happens when you put the most incompetent

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<v Speaker 1>people in politics in charge of very important things in

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<v Speaker 1>American society. And I was just going to say one other,

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<v Speaker 1>one other thing before we go, because we were we've

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<v Speaker 1>been talking about I talked about vaccines, and we saw

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<v Speaker 1>Ran Paul and all these people going after doctor Fauci,

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<v Speaker 1>and you saw RFK June. You're talking about vaccines and

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<v Speaker 1>how terrible vaccines are. This was this is another thing

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<v Speaker 1>that happened today, and I just want to say I

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<v Speaker 1>think that you know, we need to we might need

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<v Speaker 1>to start trusting the scientists. I don't know, but this

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<v Speaker 1>is new York Times, an experimental m RNA vaccine allowing

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<v Speaker 1>people with high risk mellanoma to live longer cancer free,

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<v Speaker 1>and a large, closely watched trial the pharmaceutical companies Maderna

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<v Speaker 1>and Murk announced on Wednesday. For decades, cancer vaccines have

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<v Speaker 1>been one of the most tantalizing ideas in cancer treatment,

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<v Speaker 1>offering the hope of harnessing a person's own immune system

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<v Speaker 1>to attack tumors. A pediatric oncologist the University of Florida says, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a big deal. The results you said could

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<v Speaker 1>usher a whole new wave of new therapeutic treatments for

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<v Speaker 1>cancer ladies and gentlemen. Could we be on the cusp

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<v Speaker 1>of a cancer vaccine in this country? Do I know

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<v Speaker 1>the answer to that question. I don't know the answer

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<v Speaker 1>to that question. But maybe we should just stop demonizing

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<v Speaker 1>the scientists of this country. I don't know. There's just

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<v Speaker 1>a thought, maybe we could just stop doing that for

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<v Speaker 1>five seconds, because perhaps human ingenuity, the wonders of science,

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<v Speaker 1>the people who are on the case when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to developing these kinds of life saving vaccines, maybe we

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't turn them all into villains. It's just a thought

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<v Speaker 1>before we end the show, and maybe the people who

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<v Speaker 1>are running the government could spend more time tackling the

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<v Speaker 1>national debt and less time demonizing people like doctor Fauci.

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<v Speaker 1>Another thought, just another quick thought before we go. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I've freaked out maggot too much today. Who knows. But

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<v Speaker 1>I want to thank Heather Cox Richardson for joining me

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<v Speaker 1>today for a terrific conversation. I always love when we

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the idea of independent media and independent news

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<v Speaker 1>community in this country. Folks, whatever you can do to

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<v Speaker 1>support independent media in this country, you are doing the

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<v Speaker 1>right thing. Take it from your old Palajam. You are

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<v Speaker 1>doing the right thing. So anytime you can share this video,

1139
00:58:33.519 --> 00:58:37.280
<v Speaker 1>subscribe like it, any of those things you are supporting,

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<v Speaker 1>you were lifting up independent media in this country. And

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<v Speaker 1>you saw what happened on this program today. I had

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<v Speaker 1>Heather Cox Richardson, who is one of the deans of

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<v Speaker 1>independent media in this country. Right now on the program

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<v Speaker 1>had Oliver Darcy, who is one of the deans when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to reporting on the media in this country.

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<v Speaker 1>Both operating very successful enterprises in independent media. And so

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<v Speaker 1>you can feel to me, it feels like the pieces

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<v Speaker 1>of the puzzle are coming together. You could feel some

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<v Speaker 1>just forces of the universe coming together when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to lifting up independent media, and if you can be

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<v Speaker 1>a part of that, it's a great thing. Also, want

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<v Speaker 1>to say one quick thing before we go. Our new

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<v Speaker 1>proud of it. And we're also working on a daily

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<v Speaker 1>video newsletter. Put that out there today. We're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be doing more of that as the days go on here,

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<v Speaker 1>as we get close to these midterms. We're about what

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<v Speaker 1>seventy five days or so from the midterms this fall,

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<v Speaker 1>seventy five seventy six days ago. It's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>a sprint to the finish. But thanks everybody for tuning

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<v Speaker 1>in today. Really appreciate it. Still reporting from Washington. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Jimmy Coste. I'll see you next time.