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<v Speaker 1>How are you, mate, I'm good. I'm good, just uh,

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<v Speaker 1>just hanging out. Heard that, Yeah, too much, got too

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<v Speaker 1>much to do, should do all this shit around the house.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh yeah, And summer is always weird because the kid

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<v Speaker 1>is in camps and I have to go get her

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<v Speaker 1>at various times and I'm a very big creature of

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<v Speaker 1>habit and uh yeah, it's it throws me off a bit,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, it's uh, it's cool. It's cool. Have you

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<v Speaker 1>have you heard anything or had any response on the series.

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<v Speaker 2>I have heard people who were saying that they're stoked

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<v Speaker 2>about it. Yeah. I think that a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>are in a position because of events. Shall we just

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<v Speaker 2>say that. Everyone's like, actually, it's a it's a good

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<v Speaker 2>chance to sit down and learn a little bit about

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<v Speaker 2>the Crusades. And I'm like, yeah, I didn't quite understand

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<v Speaker 2>how pressient we were being decided. I was like, you know, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>everybody likes the Crusades. Always good to know about this,

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<v Speaker 2>blah blah blah. You know, everyone knows the term crusade,

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<v Speaker 2>but they don't know shit about the Crusade, So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>this will be smart, like that's where the smart money

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<v Speaker 2>is or whatever. I didn't quite realize that we would

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<v Speaker 2>be like this bogged down with a bunch of psychopaths essentially,

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<v Speaker 2>So you know there's that, there's that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's something. Uh well, look I know

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<v Speaker 1>you have to uh go hear the sounds of silver.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah makes you want to feel like a teenager.

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<v Speaker 1>Luke and Daft Punk will be playing near your house.

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<v Speaker 2>I well, I hope that they played that because I

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<v Speaker 2>saw them last week. Obviously, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Be honest, I really don't like that song. I love

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<v Speaker 1>LCD sounds such that song drives me insane, so I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know why.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, go ahead, totally fine. You know, we all have

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<v Speaker 2>our one where we're like not really you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, but not not not mine.

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<v Speaker 2>But like I got almost my perfect playlist last week.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the major thing that was missing off of

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<v Speaker 2>it was get innocuous. But they played North American Scum,

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<v Speaker 2>which for you, just for me. But but it was

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<v Speaker 2>also funny because I was like, there's like a stolen

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<v Speaker 2>North American scum valor in the Brixton Academy right now.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you motherfuckers are not all North Americans. Stop it.

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<v Speaker 2>This is this belongs to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah only nor it would be really funny if he

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<v Speaker 1>was like only North Americans could say along and it's

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<v Speaker 1>like you and three other people.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, whoa, finally this is working out for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but that was good.

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<v Speaker 2>They played tonight, which is like my personal favorite, like

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<v Speaker 2>my personal number one. I played American Dream, which it

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<v Speaker 2>was very funny. You realize very quickly when you're a

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<v Speaker 2>giant LCD sound system nerd that apparently not everybody else

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<v Speaker 2>is the crowd did not know American Dream. Like the

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<v Speaker 2>crowd did not know, you know, Like there's certain things

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<v Speaker 2>that I was like, oh, I see, I see. But

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<v Speaker 2>like they played on Moving My Edge, which I hadn't

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<v Speaker 2>got to see before live and things of this nature.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's a that's a big one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah for sure. So I don't know what we're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna get tonight. It would be nice to get get inocuous,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, we'll see, we'll see. At this point

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<v Speaker 2>in time, all of this is just a bonus. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna get zooted and booted. I'm gonna go down there.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna be an old person, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, I'm a huge uh someone great New York. I

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<v Speaker 1>love you, but you're bringing me down. Both of those

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<v Speaker 1>we got to see so bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we got both of those last week.

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<v Speaker 1>I love drunk Girls. I think it's such a fun.

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<v Speaker 2>I love drunk girls. I would love to fucking hear

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<v Speaker 2>drunk girls.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh the one you If you have time before you go,

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<v Speaker 1>you should listen to the drunk girls. They do on

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<v Speaker 1>uh whatever it is, the Last Goodbye or whatever, Live

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<v Speaker 1>the Longer. You should just listen to that because it's

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<v Speaker 1>like they do like they kind of like they change

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<v Speaker 1>like a little bit of it slightly. It's very fun.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was listening to it in the car a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of years ago, and I just wasn't thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>it because it's just like such a fun, peppy song.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't thinking about it. And then in the background,

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<v Speaker 1>I hear my daughter singing She's a drunk, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh god, and started and my wife heard it. She's like,

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<v Speaker 1>do you realize she's singing a song called drunk. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, yeah, it's fine, it's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>It's called it's called popular culture. Baby.

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<v Speaker 1>As long as you as long as she doesn't do

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<v Speaker 1>it in front of like t like you know, as

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<v Speaker 1>long as she doesn't do it in front of people

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<v Speaker 1>who you know.

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<v Speaker 2>People be like, oh no, this kid whips.

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<v Speaker 1>This fucking rules. She heard dad cool. Her dad has

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<v Speaker 1>has given her a disease where she's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>the only person under like sixty five at an LCD

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<v Speaker 1>sound System show in a few years, or or a

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<v Speaker 1>whole Steady show in a few years.

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<v Speaker 2>She's going to tell you what. One thing that had

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<v Speaker 2>me really fucked up last week though, was like the

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<v Speaker 2>number of people who were there with their like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen year old kids, and I was like, oh no, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>which it was very sweet. It was very sweet, but

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<v Speaker 2>there was a lot there's a lot of like dad's

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<v Speaker 2>taken their sons to the LCD sound System show, which

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<v Speaker 2>is sweet, but it's like, you know, for me, I

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<v Speaker 2>guess I was saying this last week. For me, they're

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like the band of my adulthood because like

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<v Speaker 2>They're the first album came out right after I had

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<v Speaker 2>graduated from undergrad and like moved to Australia, and Australian

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<v Speaker 2>being such like a dance music led culture at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>it was like the biggest fucking deal. So like they're

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<v Speaker 2>the band that I've kind of been following since I

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<v Speaker 2>became an actual fully fledged human being, and so now

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm like, no, like the there are fifteen year

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<v Speaker 2>olds here, I'm like no, no, like a fuck like

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<v Speaker 2>this came out when you're a baby. I hate this. No,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's awful, but uh yeah. But on the

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<v Speaker 2>other hand, it's like damn so like for them is

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<v Speaker 2>like sound of silver, like what Paul Simon's Graceland is

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<v Speaker 2>to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably probably yeah, oh all right, oh that's all right.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, these kids today they don't know how good.

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<v Speaker 1>They have it, No, they don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, right, yeah, but in which case we should probably

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<v Speaker 2>we should probably get to answer in some quistiums.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, we probably should. Yeah, good, good, Look at

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<v Speaker 1>the show of thanks.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna sweat everywhere, like if I managed to not

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<v Speaker 2>pass out, it will be a goddamn miracle. But once

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<v Speaker 2>more into the reach my friend.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, all right, let's do this. Hello, and welcome back

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<v Speaker 1>to We're Not So Different, a podcast about how we've

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<v Speaker 1>always been idiots. My name is Luke and I'm an

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<v Speaker 1>amateurs historian, and as always I am joined by doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Eleanor Yanniga, who is anything but Hey, folks, we are

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<v Speaker 1>all those out and it's fun. In the meantime, let's

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<v Speaker 1>open some mail. First up, we got a question from

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<v Speaker 1>our patron dog Spotter, who says, do we have any

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<v Speaker 1>understanding of what people smell like?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>Did peasants smell like onion and garlic and farm animals

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<v Speaker 1>like myself? Or did they smell bad helly like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna go ahead and get this out of the way.

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<v Speaker 1>I know it's smell crazy in there. Doctor Ali Lukes

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<v Speaker 1>can come on here and debate, or she wants it's

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<v Speaker 1>still smoke crazy. They're like, ellen, little please like the

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<v Speaker 1>bo it must have been.

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<v Speaker 2>Yea.

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<v Speaker 1>The persistent smell of farm animals, which like has its

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<v Speaker 1>and I mean, you know, that's what they're supposed to do,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's smell like it does stink, And you didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have the you didn't have the irrigation and not irrigation,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so, you didn't have the plumbing systems that we

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<v Speaker 1>have now, so there was more waste around. It wasn't necessary.

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<v Speaker 1>People weren't like standing in it, but it was still there,

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<v Speaker 1>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like I'm gonna be so real with you. Basically,

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<v Speaker 2>until the mid twentieth century, everybody's stink like that's that.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a fact. I read a great history of cleanliness. God,

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<v Speaker 2>this must have been five years ago now, which is

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<v Speaker 2>really excellent kind of talking about how bathing habits used

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<v Speaker 2>to work. And like basically, before we got reliable indoor

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<v Speaker 2>plumbing for everyone, you had one bath a week and

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<v Speaker 2>you then kind of like washed in between, and that

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<v Speaker 2>was the normal way that things were done. Like that

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<v Speaker 2>just fundamentally is what things were like until we invented antiperspirant,

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<v Speaker 2>which is again a really recent thing. You know, people

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<v Speaker 2>smelled like bo until we invented a toothpaste that has

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<v Speaker 2>fluoride in it, which is again mid twentieth century, like

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<v Speaker 2>that shit didn't work. Like you could make your brusht

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<v Speaker 2>smell minty, but you can't stop your teeth from rotting

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<v Speaker 2>until you have fluoride in it. Now, Medieval people, obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they adhere to these same rules that everybody

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<v Speaker 2>sort of did before the nineteen fifties. They tend to

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<v Speaker 2>bathe once a week, maybe more if you're rich, Like

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<v Speaker 2>if you're rich, you might be going for it, and

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<v Speaker 2>in between you sort of like scrub down every day,

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<v Speaker 2>like you get in from the fields. You're gonna like

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<v Speaker 2>get a pail of water, you're gonna heat it up.

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<v Speaker 2>You're gonna like scrub your face, your armpits, your feet,

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<v Speaker 2>your ass, right, And they definitely like perfume their soaps

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<v Speaker 2>and things. We know this because we see recipes for them.

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<v Speaker 2>They also wear perfume. You know, they make perfume. We

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<v Speaker 2>be kind of like floral in nature for men's stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>with a lot of bay leaves in it, things like this.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, they also when they wash their soap

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes they put they put floral things in like their

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<v Speaker 2>all right, but you know, it just does smell crazy

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<v Speaker 2>in there. That that is true, right, like until you

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<v Speaker 2>have I mean it's here in the UK. It's the

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<v Speaker 2>Victorians who invent like the super system, right and until then,

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<v Speaker 2>like London smelled like a toilet like that, that is

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<v Speaker 2>that is true, yeah right, and that is true of

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<v Speaker 2>basically every major city in the world. So medieval people

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<v Speaker 2>are exactly the same as everybody else in that respect.

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<v Speaker 2>There just does tend to be this situation where people

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<v Speaker 2>which is not true. It's just that we are massively

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<v Speaker 2>time when it's easy to get a shower now, and.

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<v Speaker 1>That's good because showers are good.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it mate. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like if just think about if you have at

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<v Speaker 1>clean up for a while, like you're doing a job,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't you can't get off the job for a

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<v Speaker 1>imagine just like how you kind of start to smell

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<v Speaker 1>like just a little like deodorant wears off your clone

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<v Speaker 1>or perfume is clearly gone by this point. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>your breaths probably smelling haggard because you're thirsty, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and everything. You know, yea, that's how it is. Now

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<v Speaker 1>imagine that, but you couldn't you do that literally for

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<v Speaker 1>most of these people, they do that every day. Like

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<v Speaker 1>they are walking around, they are working the fields, they

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<v Speaker 1>are they are sewing, they are smithing, you know, all

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<v Speaker 1>of the medieval jobs. Unless you are a noble, you

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<v Speaker 1>are busting your ass and sweating every day. And the

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<v Speaker 1>nobles are probably just sweating every day. But because it's

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<v Speaker 1>gross in all those fucking clothes. But like that's going

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<v Speaker 1>to smell. We start to smell through all of our

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<v Speaker 1>like showers and cleanliness and deodorants and perfumes after a

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<v Speaker 1>few hours of work. Imagine that you wear. Imagine that

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<v Speaker 1>most of the people around you don't have access to

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<v Speaker 1>most of that stuff other than a basin of water,

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<v Speaker 1>and as Eleanor said, you know, like a real bath,

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<v Speaker 1>like in a you know, every once in a while,

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<v Speaker 1>or in the the creek or the lake or whatever it's.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's it's gonna smell. It's just uh, And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad the world doesn't smell like that any words.

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<v Speaker 1>Very good.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a good thing. I've got one more point about this, though,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess which is which it gets brought up in

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<v Speaker 2>the Clean Body of this book that I read, which

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<v Speaker 2>is excellent because the guy who wrote it, he's Canadian,

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<v Speaker 2>and he'd like interviewed his granddad about like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>how they did things sort of in like the nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>tens or something, and his granddad, you know, was saying, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like once a week bath blah blah blahlah blah,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's like, you know, we must have smelled really badly,

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<v Speaker 2>but we didn't notice. Yeah, right, So there is also

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<v Speaker 2>this thing where because that's normal to them, they probably

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't have noticed it as much, like, you know, there

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<v Speaker 2>is such a thing as sent you know. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>how like you don't know what your house smells like,

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<v Speaker 2>but other people do. Right, So we would be like,

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<v Speaker 2>these are the stinkiest humans who ever lived, and they

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<v Speaker 2>would be like, what are you talking about? You know,

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<v Speaker 2>like I can't, I can't come up with this. Although occasionally,

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<v Speaker 2>hilariously you do get medieval people talking about which cities

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<v Speaker 2>stink in particular, apparently Avignon really raked.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that they had. They had the arbitrary city

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like we do. I fucking love that. Like it

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<v Speaker 1>was like Philly and Pittsburgh like barking at each other

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<v Speaker 1>for these towns that both smelled like absolute shit. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>especially towns where there is a huge population density, it's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna smell awful during the summer. Imagine like the baking

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<v Speaker 1>southern Italian peninsula during the summer and you're in some

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<v Speaker 1>city state with like seventy eighty thousand other people. No,

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<v Speaker 1>like no real plumbing. I mean obviously they have, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>ways to bring in water and stuff like that, but

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<v Speaker 1>they don't have the same ways to get waste out

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<v Speaker 1>as we do. And just baking in it. Yeah, they

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<v Speaker 1>sink the high the high equilibrium trap of stench, and

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<v Speaker 1>that everything smelled so bad you just didn't notice. You're

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<v Speaker 1>just like, yeah, that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>People would leave cities every summer. They would be like goodbye.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, imagine what they thought, like how bad the things

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<v Speaker 1>that that they thought smelled awful? How bad that would

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<v Speaker 1>be to us, Like how eye wateringly nausey.

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<v Speaker 2>Like we wouldn't be able to handle it?

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<v Speaker 1>No, No, not at all. They as as our modern

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<v Speaker 1>weed would destroy these people and their medieval stench. Absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>not not your your nose hair are just rotting off anyway, Yeah, completely,

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<v Speaker 1>dog spotter, thank you for the question. Next, we got

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<v Speaker 1>one from T. Delfos, and basically what he's asking is like,

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<v Speaker 1>we talk about we're not so different, but then we

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the way the things that did change. So

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<v Speaker 1>from like the medieval period, from like fourteen hundred to

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<v Speaker 1>about sixteen hundred, what were the noticeable changes that these

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<v Speaker 1>people in Europe would have seen, like you know, whether

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<v Speaker 1>it be in London or Prague or just some villain,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, what would be the differences they would see?

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, I mean, and obviously one of them would

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<v Speaker 1>be the Reformation stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, yeah, yeah, obviously yeah, so yeah, Reformation stuff

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<v Speaker 2>is kind of like obviously that's the obvious one, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's got all sorts of knock on effects. So for example,

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<v Speaker 2>you see a real rise in misogyny in this period,

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<v Speaker 2>so you know what, yeah, all right, right, so so

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<v Speaker 2>you know things like, for example, the invention of the

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<v Speaker 2>witch panics, you get that, you get that one, real,

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<v Speaker 2>real fucking hard right, So suddenly there's a lot more

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like swing on your neighbors and like routing

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<v Speaker 2>them out to the ecclesiastical court or to the well, sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>not the ecclesiastical court, you know, to the witch Finder

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<v Speaker 2>General or like the actual fucking court here in England,

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<v Speaker 2>which is which is fun, which is cute. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like a lot more chance of like getting killed for

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<v Speaker 2>being a witch, which is not really a medieval thing

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<v Speaker 2>at all whatsoever. One of the big things that you

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<v Speaker 2>see is a big influx of people to the cities

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<v Speaker 2>is a result of enclosure. So as people are kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like booted off of the land out in the countryside.

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<v Speaker 2>When the nobility consolidates power over the countryside, you have

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<v Speaker 2>more and more people move into towns because there's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of nowhere else to go, right, So a big explosion

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<v Speaker 2>of population within the cities. And also as a result

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a change in labor practices, so you know,

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<v Speaker 2>more people doing jobs like being builders and things like that,

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<v Speaker 2>unless just being dedicated peasants. You do see like influxes

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<v Speaker 2>of new foods, so it's like homest want potato and tomato,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, so the food gets better. I would say,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean simply love cane sugar, simply love tomatoes, et cetera,

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera. So to an extent, there are also some

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<v Speaker 2>pluses in terms of what foods are being grown, and like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, potatoes are a really big deal for Europeans

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<v Speaker 2>because they pack a whole lot of nutrition for not

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<v Speaker 2>a whole lot of work. Like, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>you've ever grow potatoes. I grow potatoes, even though I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not the world's biggest potato pan but I grow potatoes

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<v Speaker 2>because they're fucking easy, Like you just dump them in

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<v Speaker 2>a bag and it's like all right, done, but you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and you can have potato. So really way of getting

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<v Speaker 2>more nutrition that's brilliant. Everybody loves that. In terms of

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<v Speaker 2>things like culture, we do see kind of like a

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<v Speaker 2>big explosion of theata, right, so you know, like you

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<v Speaker 2>would go see mystery plays, and you would go see like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, silly little japes, you know, like incredibly body

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<v Speaker 2>plays that are kind of like put on in the

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<v Speaker 2>local marketplace. But you know, you wouldn't really have like

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<v Speaker 2>a theata to go see Shakespeare in And then you

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<v Speaker 2>begin to have that and that that's around. There are

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<v Speaker 2>also a lot more wars of religion. Obviously, a lot

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<v Speaker 2>more kind of like killing each other back and forth

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<v Speaker 2>for being Christian or Protestant rather, a lot of that

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<v Speaker 2>going down, but also a general kind of outward looking.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is the rise of colonialism, right, so,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean you might be looking at leaving Europe and

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<v Speaker 2>going somewhere else entirely. So there are all these fucking

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<v Speaker 2>things that really change in terms of what the status

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<v Speaker 2>quo is. You know, the introduction of cotton clothing, that's

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<v Speaker 2>a really big one. So and indeed the factory system

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<v Speaker 2>begins at this point in time, so I mean, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>like in terms of there's this kind of tendency to

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<v Speaker 2>think like, well, I mean, I guess we're talking fourteen

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<v Speaker 2>hundred to sixteen hundred, so early. You know, we're being

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<v Speaker 2>very like early modern about it. But there's a kind

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<v Speaker 2>of tendency to think, oh, yeah, and then the Enlightenment

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<v Speaker 2>happened and people start being religious, absolutely fucking not right.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, people are still like religious fanatics. It's very

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<v Speaker 2>very weird.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. The earliest you can state that people start that,

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<v Speaker 1>like people begin to start being I guess noticeably less

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<v Speaker 1>religious than they were in the Middle Ages is like

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<v Speaker 1>the very earliest you could do that is the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the Thirty Years War, and even then it's still

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<v Speaker 1>it's still a little while before the philosophical groundwork for

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<v Speaker 1>that comes into being really but yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, But you know, it's interesting because a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of the stuff that we consider to be like cultural

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<v Speaker 2>or or traditional, it's actually kind of like formed around

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<v Speaker 2>this time. So you know, like sitting around and saying

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<v Speaker 2>chow while drinking coffee, like that's invented at this point

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<v Speaker 2>in time, right, you know, because there was no there

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<v Speaker 2>was no coffee. You know, English people didn't have tea

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<v Speaker 2>until this point in time, and that and this is

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<v Speaker 2>when you get it, you know, consumer goods becoming more

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<v Speaker 2>of a thing, and just like the construction of consumerism

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<v Speaker 2>and the construction of like the bourgeoisie as a political

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<v Speaker 2>group certainly happens at this point in time. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>people having like porcelain from China becomes more common at

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<v Speaker 2>this point in time, and like a you know, a

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<v Speaker 2>real a real thing that they want. Also, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not that it doesn't exist in Europe before this,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just that like only like kings have it, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>So now it's kind of like there's a lot more

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<v Speaker 2>of it, you know, the introduction of opium. How about

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<v Speaker 2>us coming in and coming in and like people being like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like suddenly there were a lot more consequences. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the French disease as well, which is very funny, but like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>all sorts of things like this. It's all the kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like weird little cultural things that we really tend

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<v Speaker 2>to think have always been they start kicking off around now.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, anything that whenever you think about like

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<v Speaker 2>Italian food, well actually a lot of that was invented

417
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<v Speaker 2>in the nineteen seventies. But you know when you're like, oh, yeah,

418
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<v Speaker 2>they like pasta with the red sauce, it's like not

419
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<v Speaker 2>until this point, babe.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, yeah, this is the first time anyone in

421
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<v Speaker 1>England had ever said po tatoo tato, mash them, stick

422
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<v Speaker 1>them in a stew. Yeah. A couple of other things

423
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<v Speaker 1>that are just going to be really uh like would

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<v Speaker 1>be more noticeable. If you like time travel from from

425
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<v Speaker 1>fourteen hundred to sixteen hundred, it's going to be noticeably colder,

426
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<v Speaker 1>especially northern European states, Like I mean even down in

427
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<v Speaker 1>it was colder everywhere, but it was much more noticeable

428
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<v Speaker 1>like in your England, Scandinavia, Northern Germany kind of areas,

429
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<v Speaker 1>and then obviously into eastern Europe and Russia. That's one

430
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<v Speaker 1>thing monetization is going to shock you if you because

431
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<v Speaker 1>with the influx of gold and silver from the New World,

432
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<v Speaker 1>as Spain extracted those resources and brought them over, Europe's

433
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<v Speaker 1>economy became monetized. It wasn't overnight, but by sixteen hundred

434
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<v Speaker 1>it had been happening for over a century. And you

435
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<v Speaker 1>know there, I mean, obviously a lot of people were

436
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<v Speaker 1>still using barter and trading kind and stuff like that,

437
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<v Speaker 1>but this is like, this is a huge thing. And

438
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<v Speaker 1>then I guess the last thing would be like there

439
00:26:02.839 --> 00:26:09.279
<v Speaker 1>are little signs of industrialization. They are industry like. We're

440
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<v Speaker 1>starting to see like as the lands get transferred between

441
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<v Speaker 1>from the state or from the church to private landowners

442
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<v Speaker 1>during the wars of religion, especially in England and Germany,

443
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<v Speaker 1>you know, the piece of Augsburg and all that happens

444
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<v Speaker 1>in fifteen fifty five. When that starts happening, you start

445
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<v Speaker 1>to see like the land being put to this very

446
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<v Speaker 1>specific corporate use that we will later you know, we

447
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<v Speaker 1>will now see as the first shoots of industrialization and

448
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<v Speaker 1>a lot of stuff's going to be enclosed a lot

449
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<v Speaker 1>more like than it had been in fourteen hundred. So yeah,

450
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<v Speaker 1>it's there's little stuff and then there's big stuff. You're like,

451
00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:56.200
<v Speaker 1>are all these leaflets everywhere? What the fuck is the leaflet? Yeah?

452
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<v Speaker 1>We make these like every paper.

453
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<v Speaker 2>I guess, like a paper paper.

454
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<v Speaker 1>In Europe is a big thing. China's like we've had

455
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<v Speaker 1>that for like, okay, whatever, well done. Yeah, thanks guys,

456
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<v Speaker 1>uh T del fos, thank you for the question. Next

457
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<v Speaker 1>week got a fun one from fouked Base. Who is

458
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<v Speaker 1>your favorite medieval bisexual ruler?

459
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<v Speaker 2>Gosh, you know there's so many in to juice from

460
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<v Speaker 2>uh you know, like, I think the obvious answer here

461
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<v Speaker 2>is h Richard the lion Heart, But I don't actually

462
00:27:30.400 --> 00:27:32.160
<v Speaker 2>like him, you know, I think he's a prick. But

463
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, can I say that he isn't a bikon? No, No,

464
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<v Speaker 2>I can't say that. My homie loved the d I

465
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<v Speaker 2>mean it's gonna be, it's gonna be temagen in its kan.

466
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<v Speaker 2>I wish, I wish I could do like the Mongolian

467
00:27:48.400 --> 00:27:50.000
<v Speaker 2>throat singing, because if I could, I would do it

468
00:27:50.079 --> 00:27:53.160
<v Speaker 2>right now, just like hell yeah, my boy was going

469
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<v Speaker 2>to town on the d he's he was.

470
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<v Speaker 1>He was doing some throat singing.

471
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like I mean he's a type of dome destroy

472
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<v Speaker 2>your city, uh and lay it to waste, you know,

473
00:28:06.519 --> 00:28:09.720
<v Speaker 2>et cetera, et cetera. But yeah, he's he's a real

474
00:28:09.799 --> 00:28:13.480
<v Speaker 2>good one for for obvious reasons. I think my best

475
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<v Speaker 2>to ever do it most likely, you know.

476
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I would never go against a friend

477
00:28:21.160 --> 00:28:25.400
<v Speaker 1>of the show, Timmy Jin. But I would also say

478
00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:29.200
<v Speaker 1>that William Rufus, I've always loved him. I always just

479
00:28:29.240 --> 00:28:33.720
<v Speaker 1>wanted them to call him Rufus the first He's fun

480
00:28:35.680 --> 00:28:37.400
<v Speaker 1>was he Do we know if he was by sexual

481
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<v Speaker 1>or is he just straight up gay?

482
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, well, the thing is, it's always hard with

483
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<v Speaker 2>all these guys because a lot of them like lie

484
00:28:43.680 --> 00:28:48.319
<v Speaker 2>back and think of England, right, so they can't queer. Okay,

485
00:28:48.440 --> 00:28:50.920
<v Speaker 2>like we can one hundred percent say that they're queer, right.

486
00:28:51.880 --> 00:28:54.359
<v Speaker 2>I mean, so the thing is like, for example, I

487
00:28:54.400 --> 00:28:58.640
<v Speaker 2>have an easy time calling Richard Lionheart bye because he's

488
00:28:58.839 --> 00:29:02.720
<v Speaker 2>fucking dudes. Also like he's got illegitimate children. Yeah, and

489
00:29:02.759 --> 00:29:04.480
<v Speaker 2>so it's like that that is not a situation in

490
00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:07.480
<v Speaker 2>which he's like oh yeah, like for the crown, right, It's.

491
00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:10.480
<v Speaker 1>Like I'm not doing these bastards for the crown. Yeah,

492
00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:13.599
<v Speaker 1>Eleanor is like you fucking.

493
00:29:15.799 --> 00:29:17.200
<v Speaker 2>Terrible wastereul sons.

494
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<v Speaker 1>Why couldn't you be more like John? And John's like

495
00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:27.799
<v Speaker 1>I suck mom anyway? Yeah, uh yeah, fruit based Uh

496
00:29:27.839 --> 00:29:29.799
<v Speaker 1>it's Timmy j. We we love it, we know and

497
00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:30.400
<v Speaker 1>we love you.

498
00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:32.480
<v Speaker 2>Know what's up? You absolutely knew what we would say.

499
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, we played a type next we got one

500
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<v Speaker 1>from Gaffzie. In chivalric romances, medieval authors love to talk

501
00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:47.319
<v Speaker 1>about legendary swords such as Excalibur, Durandal, and Fusberta. Are

502
00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:51.279
<v Speaker 1>there any examples of actual swords which receive the same

503
00:29:51.480 --> 00:29:54.160
<v Speaker 1>and got names that were handed down to us either

504
00:29:54.200 --> 00:29:57.200
<v Speaker 1>because of their quality or by their association with famous warriors?

505
00:29:57.279 --> 00:30:02.920
<v Speaker 1>And there are some not uh that there aren't as

506
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<v Speaker 1>many as you would think, given its prevalence in fiction,

507
00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:12.079
<v Speaker 1>because every fantasy story that has swords in it, the

508
00:30:12.079 --> 00:30:15.480
<v Speaker 1>swords have names, every RPG, every video game, all that,

509
00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:18.559
<v Speaker 1>you know, all that stuff. So yeah, I'm a big

510
00:30:18.599 --> 00:30:22.200
<v Speaker 1>fan of Uh fuck, I lost it? Where is it?

511
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<v Speaker 1>Where's el Seed's sword? Oh? Tizona? El Seed? Uh had

512
00:30:28.400 --> 00:30:30.720
<v Speaker 1>his own personal sword and you can go see it

513
00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:32.960
<v Speaker 1>in the Museum of Burgos.

514
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I really just to eat by pudding. But like

515
00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:41.799
<v Speaker 2>it's it's it's fine storm.

516
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Uh what else what else we got there? Are there?

517
00:30:48.519 --> 00:30:54.000
<v Speaker 1>There is a a fragment, an alleged fragment of Durandal,

518
00:30:54.240 --> 00:30:59.160
<v Speaker 1>the sword wielded by Roland uh in France. And I

519
00:30:59.279 --> 00:31:03.440
<v Speaker 1>always think that's funny because it's just like, you know,

520
00:31:03.480 --> 00:31:06.319
<v Speaker 1>it was like sure the shards of like the shards

521
00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:09.359
<v Speaker 1>of Narsil over here, like okay, man cool.

522
00:31:09.640 --> 00:31:13.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sure, absolutely, like a thing that definitely happened, right,

523
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<v Speaker 2>very much.

524
00:31:15.799 --> 00:31:16.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's all these.

525
00:31:16.640 --> 00:31:18.599
<v Speaker 2>Things where I think a lot of people did name

526
00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:20.519
<v Speaker 2>their swords, but a lot of the time it just

527
00:31:20.519 --> 00:31:23.079
<v Speaker 2>doesn't survive to us, Like I think, you know much

528
00:31:23.079 --> 00:31:24.880
<v Speaker 2>in the way that like we don't fucking know what

529
00:31:24.920 --> 00:31:28.200
<v Speaker 2>people's wives names are. Yeah, sometimes you know, like a

530
00:31:28.279 --> 00:31:29.720
<v Speaker 2>level one their fucking swords, right.

531
00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:33.599
<v Speaker 1>And Japan, I mean Japan does have a lot of those.

532
00:31:33.640 --> 00:31:38.480
<v Speaker 1>That is definitely uh something that we have. Uh. And

533
00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:43.039
<v Speaker 1>I mean they you know, range everything. Uh, I can't.

534
00:31:43.079 --> 00:31:45.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm not even gonna pronounce all these they date. I'm

535
00:31:45.400 --> 00:31:47.039
<v Speaker 1>not going to try to they date back you know,

536
00:31:47.119 --> 00:31:49.960
<v Speaker 1>to the sixth seventh century some of them, and they

537
00:31:50.079 --> 00:31:56.400
<v Speaker 1>are you know, Katana's personal swords, chateaus, things of that nature,

538
00:31:57.599 --> 00:32:04.400
<v Speaker 1>and uh hotel room are which is firefly, uh Cogarasu Maru,

539
00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:10.039
<v Speaker 1>which is little crow kotetsu. It's like there, there are

540
00:32:10.359 --> 00:32:16.079
<v Speaker 1>a lot of them. It's just like they don't they

541
00:32:16.119 --> 00:32:19.599
<v Speaker 1>don't have the same presence in reality that they do

542
00:32:19.720 --> 00:32:22.720
<v Speaker 1>in fiction, which does suck. I agree, like it does

543
00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:26.720
<v Speaker 1>suck because like every like every weapon that gets made

544
00:32:26.759 --> 00:32:29.640
<v Speaker 1>should have some stupid fucking like name like this I

545
00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:32.759
<v Speaker 1>don't even like oh yeah right now, like yeah, like

546
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<v Speaker 1>some dagger you've got it like a mal kiosk and

547
00:32:35.559 --> 00:32:39.359
<v Speaker 1>you're like it is the dagger of truth and you're like, okay, whatever,

548
00:32:39.400 --> 00:32:40.000
<v Speaker 1>I should.

549
00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:41.559
<v Speaker 2>Really name my sword. I guess I have a sword

550
00:32:41.799 --> 00:32:42.880
<v Speaker 2>and I just don't have a name.

551
00:32:43.039 --> 00:32:47.079
<v Speaker 1>So you it doesn't have a Yeah, I get on that.

552
00:32:47.279 --> 00:32:49.480
<v Speaker 2>I gotta say, you know, before before fucking Kiras star

553
00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:52.960
<v Speaker 2>War takes it away from me, like this motherfucker like

554
00:32:53.240 --> 00:32:56.799
<v Speaker 2>has a passed a law to outlaw quote unquote samurai swords,

555
00:32:56.799 --> 00:32:57.960
<v Speaker 2>where I'm like, serve, does that even me?

556
00:32:58.680 --> 00:32:58.799
<v Speaker 1>Right?

557
00:32:59.079 --> 00:33:01.319
<v Speaker 2>And like now talking yeah and my sword is Chinese.

558
00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:05.839
<v Speaker 2>I've got a scholar's sword, and it's like, yeah, my

559
00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:07.799
<v Speaker 2>dad got it for me when I got my PhD.

560
00:33:08.039 --> 00:33:11.680
<v Speaker 2>Thank you. Uh and uh. I'm like, so do you

561
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<v Speaker 2>mean me because I'm like, because well, look, this is

562
00:33:13.880 --> 00:33:15.720
<v Speaker 2>a Chinese sword. There's no such thing as this samarai

563
00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:19.279
<v Speaker 2>in China being a little bit racist kres starmer and

564
00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:21.599
<v Speaker 2>I know you like doing that, but like, hands off

565
00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:23.920
<v Speaker 2>my sword, right, So I should come up with a

566
00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:25.880
<v Speaker 2>name for it so that if they take it from me,

567
00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:30.119
<v Speaker 2>I can like bemoan it and bewail it. Yeah, it'd

568
00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:37.319
<v Speaker 2>be really good. No, yeah, weed, we knew? Well, okay,

569
00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:39.480
<v Speaker 2>like right in with what I should name my sword?

570
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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, uh Yan you call it y.

571
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<v Speaker 2>That's Yan.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, guessie. Thank you for the question. We got

573
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<v Speaker 1>one now from MG in your face. I watched Medieval

574
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<v Speaker 1>last night and I will.

575
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<v Speaker 2>Read Oh, I'm so sorry, but.

576
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<v Speaker 1>I think you didn't discuss why is Yanziska a national

577
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<v Speaker 1>hero when the Czech Republic remained largely Catholic in the

578
00:34:11.400 --> 00:34:13.599
<v Speaker 1>grand scheme of history? Was he not ultimately on the

579
00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:17.440
<v Speaker 1>losing side. It may be that they won enough, or

580
00:34:17.559 --> 00:34:20.079
<v Speaker 1>is it that he was an individual was badass, and

581
00:34:20.119 --> 00:34:22.840
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't matter that the Hissites didn't, you know, fully

582
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<v Speaker 1>win well.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the way that checks relate to this is

584
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<v Speaker 2>a yes, he is incredibly bad ass, but b the

585
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<v Speaker 2>Recatholization of the Czech Lands is understood quite rightly, I

586
00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:39.199
<v Speaker 2>would argue, as a result of the counter Reformation, it

587
00:34:39.320 --> 00:34:42.719
<v Speaker 2>was incredibly an extraordinarily violent and bloody and done against

588
00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:46.639
<v Speaker 2>the will of check people. This is the Habspertska like

589
00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:51.239
<v Speaker 2>all over, like just like coming in here and violently,

590
00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:57.679
<v Speaker 2>violently oppressing people. And so you know, it is one

591
00:34:57.719 --> 00:35:00.639
<v Speaker 2>hundred percent brought back at the bare of a gun.

592
00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:04.679
<v Speaker 2>And you know, you have to also understand that a

593
00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:07.039
<v Speaker 2>lot of this comes out of the nord Leo Borgeni,

594
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<v Speaker 2>which is the nineteenth century drive to define checknus. You know,

595
00:35:12.599 --> 00:35:16.199
<v Speaker 2>this idea to say, okay, like this is this is

596
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<v Speaker 2>why we are a nation, This is why we deserve

597
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<v Speaker 2>to have an identity apart from the Austro Hungarian Empire.

598
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<v Speaker 2>And very much so. Thinkers at this time imagine the

599
00:35:31.480 --> 00:35:34.880
<v Speaker 2>conception of Checknis and check identity and check religion as

600
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<v Speaker 2>being expressly tied to hosteitism, and among this Catholicism is

601
00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:47.880
<v Speaker 2>seen as an incursion very specifically from German speaking oppressors.

602
00:35:49.159 --> 00:35:53.280
<v Speaker 2>So this certainly exists from the nineteenth century onwards. It

603
00:35:53.320 --> 00:35:56.920
<v Speaker 2>is also very much the understanding under communism. And now

604
00:35:56.960 --> 00:35:59.320
<v Speaker 2>most Czech people are not religious, you know, it's one

605
00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:02.519
<v Speaker 2>of the most religious countries in the world, and so

606
00:36:02.559 --> 00:36:04.920
<v Speaker 2>they just like, you just go, this is a fucking badass,

607
00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:08.280
<v Speaker 2>you know. And so it's very much tied to not

608
00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:13.599
<v Speaker 2>even necessarily the fight for hosteitism, but they fight for

609
00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:17.760
<v Speaker 2>a form of cultural identity that is not forced upon

610
00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:22.440
<v Speaker 2>them by German speaking outsiders. So for them, like and

611
00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:26.559
<v Speaker 2>they say this very expressly, they're like, what is it homage.

612
00:36:26.639 --> 00:36:31.639
<v Speaker 2>Magerk wrote a speech when he was talking about Jon

613
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<v Speaker 2>huss at a conference in Switzerland, and he says, I

614
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<v Speaker 2>can't believe I can quote this off the top of

615
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<v Speaker 2>my head. Every Czech who is aware of his nation

616
00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:44.519
<v Speaker 2>needs to either decide for the concept of Checknis and

617
00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:50.360
<v Speaker 2>Housietism or Catholicism and German nah, right, Like this is

618
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<v Speaker 2>like one hundred percent something that they say out loud.

619
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<v Speaker 2>So it's really easy when you understand it that way, right.

620
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I mean I think I think he can

621
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<v Speaker 1>look at it as like it's just a it's a

622
00:37:03.199 --> 00:37:07.159
<v Speaker 1>fully like it's a state trying to embrace a national

623
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<v Speaker 1>hero for a state that was I mean it was,

624
00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:17.000
<v Speaker 1>it was very independent, it was very powerful, but after

625
00:37:18.840 --> 00:37:26.679
<v Speaker 1>the Reformation, it was annihilated by by the Ferinance. I

626
00:37:26.760 --> 00:37:30.159
<v Speaker 1>heard them so much like they they destroy it. Like

627
00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:33.400
<v Speaker 1>the thing like when people talk about re christianizing something

628
00:37:33.519 --> 00:37:35.519
<v Speaker 1>or going back or whatever, the only way to do

629
00:37:35.559 --> 00:37:39.960
<v Speaker 1>that is like this, which is tantamount to like localize genoside,

630
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<v Speaker 1>like you know, close enough to it if you're calling

631
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<v Speaker 1>all of these people the same, the same thing, and

632
00:37:44.679 --> 00:37:49.199
<v Speaker 1>it's that that's what you have to do. And it

633
00:37:49.360 --> 00:37:55.880
<v Speaker 1>breeds this internal like desire to have national heroes, which

634
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<v Speaker 1>all nations that are conquered from without have, all of

635
00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:04.360
<v Speaker 1>them do. And it marries it with the fact that

636
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<v Speaker 1>after a certain number of years they came to saw

637
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<v Speaker 1>this German incursion as oppression and just divorced themselves from

638
00:38:18.039 --> 00:38:21.519
<v Speaker 1>that religion to this degree. And so now when they

639
00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:23.719
<v Speaker 1>look back on these people, they have to kind of

640
00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:30.320
<v Speaker 1>like this, they they have to pick and choose. And

641
00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:33.079
<v Speaker 1>this is a very confusing time because it was Catholic

642
00:38:33.079 --> 00:38:35.679
<v Speaker 1>and then it was Huside and then it was decidedly

643
00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:40.519
<v Speaker 1>Catholic again and now it's I guess agnostic to a degree.

644
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<v Speaker 1>And when you have to go when you're trying to

645
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<v Speaker 1>find a national hero in a nation that's still that

646
00:38:48.440 --> 00:38:49.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, it was part of Yugoslavia, it was part

647
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<v Speaker 1>of the USSR. You know, when you're still trying to

648
00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:54.880
<v Speaker 1>define yourself at this point, you have to reach back

649
00:38:54.920 --> 00:38:56.360
<v Speaker 1>and you have to find wherever you can find. And

650
00:38:56.400 --> 00:38:59.400
<v Speaker 1>you got this badass and even though he died and

651
00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:02.960
<v Speaker 1>the husides got crushed, like, he's still a freedom fighter.

652
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<v Speaker 1>Like yeah, I mean in in their sense, he's a

653
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<v Speaker 1>freedom fighter, so you know, yeah.

654
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And like you know, it's incredibly important to text.

655
00:39:13.519 --> 00:39:17.360
<v Speaker 2>So for example, if you go to the tinskram in

656
00:39:17.480 --> 00:39:22.400
<v Speaker 2>Prague now the Tin Cathedral, which is on Old Town Square,

657
00:39:23.119 --> 00:39:25.840
<v Speaker 2>up on the very top of it, they have a chalice.

658
00:39:26.079 --> 00:39:29.199
<v Speaker 2>They've got like the symbol of the Utriquists up top,

659
00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:32.599
<v Speaker 2>and they have it up there because when the Hobsprokes

660
00:39:32.599 --> 00:39:35.920
<v Speaker 2>took back over, they took that down and put up

661
00:39:36.119 --> 00:39:37.840
<v Speaker 2>I think it was an image of the Virgin Mary

662
00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:39.480
<v Speaker 2>or something. And this went back and forth and back

663
00:39:39.519 --> 00:39:42.119
<v Speaker 2>and forth, over and over again. And it's very pointedly

664
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<v Speaker 2>back up there again, because they are talking about, like,

665
00:39:46.360 --> 00:39:49.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, the story about what this unique Czech religion is,

666
00:39:49.400 --> 00:39:52.960
<v Speaker 2>and it's very powerful. It's right across from a location

667
00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:58.000
<v Speaker 2>where a bunch of the initial Whosite rebels were executed,

668
00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:02.320
<v Speaker 2>and that is denoted by having a series of crosses

669
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<v Speaker 2>that are in the cobblestones there. So you know, you've

670
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<v Speaker 2>got to really understand this as a story that checks

671
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<v Speaker 2>tell about themselves and the way that they think of

672
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<v Speaker 2>themselves and their desire essentially to be autonomous, so you know,

673
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<v Speaker 2>and who the fuck wants to be told what's of

674
00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:29.320
<v Speaker 2>worship by a fucking habsburg. You know, it's a ridiculous

675
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<v Speaker 2>It's a ridiculous notion.

676
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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, uh yeah, that's uh yeah

677
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<v Speaker 1>injun your face. Thank you very much for the question.

678
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<v Speaker 1>Next with one question, Kelly, I'm curious about medieval footwear.

679
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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it was covered already, but I've been but I've

680
00:40:44.760 --> 00:40:48.159
<v Speaker 1>been on a barefoot shoe journey and it's got me

681
00:40:48.239 --> 00:40:50.760
<v Speaker 1>wondering what kind of shoes people have been wearing for?

682
00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:54.960
<v Speaker 1>How long? Was arch support a thing? Were shoes made

683
00:40:55.079 --> 00:40:58.559
<v Speaker 1>to the individual's foot size and shape? Are there any

684
00:40:58.719 --> 00:41:02.599
<v Speaker 1>crucial footwear factoids we'd find fascinating.

685
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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, so most peasants are kind of walking

686
00:41:05.559 --> 00:41:09.119
<v Speaker 2>around in clogs a lot a lot of those time

687
00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:12.280
<v Speaker 2>is the answer. So you kind of have like soft

688
00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:14.719
<v Speaker 2>shoes that are just sort of made out of leather

689
00:41:14.920 --> 00:41:16.679
<v Speaker 2>or something like that, and then when you go out

690
00:41:16.719 --> 00:41:18.920
<v Speaker 2>to the field or whatever, you just jam those into

691
00:41:18.920 --> 00:41:21.679
<v Speaker 2>your clog and then and then you kind of go

692
00:41:21.760 --> 00:41:24.519
<v Speaker 2>from there. Uh, you probably have a nice pair of

693
00:41:24.559 --> 00:41:27.000
<v Speaker 2>shoes for wearing to church or something like that, you

694
00:41:27.039 --> 00:41:31.960
<v Speaker 2>know that has more of a reinforced leather base. And

695
00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:36.079
<v Speaker 2>we definitely know that people are into shoes right, especially

696
00:41:36.079 --> 00:41:39.000
<v Speaker 2>in the later medieval period, there is rather a lot

697
00:41:39.079 --> 00:41:41.840
<v Speaker 2>of talking about how pointy shoes are sexy, and everybody

698
00:41:41.920 --> 00:41:45.679
<v Speaker 2>likes pointy shoes, and you know, like the point here

699
00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:47.599
<v Speaker 2>it is, the fancy er it is, and they'll have

700
00:41:47.639 --> 00:41:50.320
<v Speaker 2>these incredibly long points that go for ages and ages

701
00:41:50.360 --> 00:41:53.880
<v Speaker 2>and ages, and the church is like, these shoes are

702
00:41:53.920 --> 00:41:56.519
<v Speaker 2>too sexy. Someone's gotta someone's got to put a stop

703
00:41:56.559 --> 00:42:00.239
<v Speaker 2>to it. Which is very very funny, but all so

704
00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:03.440
<v Speaker 2>like if you go see, there's a great painting you

705
00:42:03.440 --> 00:42:06.480
<v Speaker 2>can look up called Delay Benzalba. This is also in

706
00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:09.719
<v Speaker 2>my book, and it's a picture of a naked sexy

707
00:42:09.760 --> 00:42:13.599
<v Speaker 2>witch casting love spells and she's wearing the cutest pair

708
00:42:13.880 --> 00:42:18.000
<v Speaker 2>of kitten heels that I would absolutely fucking love to

709
00:42:18.039 --> 00:42:19.880
<v Speaker 2>have that that got little. They're kind of like pink

710
00:42:19.960 --> 00:42:23.079
<v Speaker 2>with like pointsy toes and a little little heel on

711
00:42:23.119 --> 00:42:26.159
<v Speaker 2>the back of their like mules. So there's like a

712
00:42:26.199 --> 00:42:29.239
<v Speaker 2>little slip on action. So we definitely see that. The

713
00:42:29.239 --> 00:42:31.679
<v Speaker 2>best way that you can get information about them is

714
00:42:31.719 --> 00:42:36.079
<v Speaker 2>by going to look at actual medieval images of clothing

715
00:42:36.119 --> 00:42:38.159
<v Speaker 2>and just like have a look at people's shoes. So

716
00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:40.519
<v Speaker 2>I mean, yeah, you do tend to have them made

717
00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:43.760
<v Speaker 2>for you. You know, a cobbler will measure your foot up

718
00:42:44.360 --> 00:42:48.320
<v Speaker 2>and like cobble away. But art support I think less,

719
00:42:48.360 --> 00:42:51.519
<v Speaker 2>so at least in examples that I've seen. But it's

720
00:42:51.519 --> 00:42:54.639
<v Speaker 2>also difficult to say. You know, maybe they do put

721
00:42:54.679 --> 00:42:58.400
<v Speaker 2>things in, but yeah, you know, it tends to be

722
00:42:58.480 --> 00:43:02.480
<v Speaker 2>kind of leather souls that are re enforced. But then

723
00:43:03.079 --> 00:43:05.039
<v Speaker 2>you wear clogs when you're doing dirty work.

724
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:11.400
<v Speaker 1>I have flat feet. Uh, this sounds terrible, Like my

725
00:43:11.679 --> 00:43:16.239
<v Speaker 1>feet would be like I wouldn't be able to walk,

726
00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:20.519
<v Speaker 1>Like this is not getting drafted, Okay, not only am

727
00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:23.280
<v Speaker 1>I not getting drafted like I was, like they were

728
00:43:23.320 --> 00:43:25.239
<v Speaker 1>like sticking me in front of the gate in the

729
00:43:25.239 --> 00:43:29.280
<v Speaker 1>Middle Ages and being like, give this man with mangled

730
00:43:29.280 --> 00:43:34.280
<v Speaker 1>feet change like like ten minutes in a clog, like

731
00:43:34.719 --> 00:43:36.400
<v Speaker 1>you might as well take you might as well take

732
00:43:36.400 --> 00:43:40.719
<v Speaker 1>a fucking hammer to my feet, like Jesus H Kelly.

733
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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for the question. Question from the final valve,

734
00:43:45.079 --> 00:43:48.320
<v Speaker 1>which is a good name. Uh I'm I'm kind of

735
00:43:48.360 --> 00:43:50.760
<v Speaker 1>wondering about how people in the medieval era thought about

736
00:43:50.800 --> 00:43:54.960
<v Speaker 1>animals and what we now call animal welfare. Did they

737
00:43:54.960 --> 00:43:57.880
<v Speaker 1>think of animals as having souls or personalities at least

738
00:43:57.960 --> 00:44:00.440
<v Speaker 1>some people must have with stories of like saying for it.

739
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:03.480
<v Speaker 1>Did people have pets beside the obvious cats and dogs?

740
00:44:03.599 --> 00:44:06.159
<v Speaker 1>Is there a concept of animal abuse or mistreating animals

741
00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:08.159
<v Speaker 1>or were they usually seen as a tool that needs

742
00:44:08.159 --> 00:44:09.280
<v Speaker 1>to eat and sleep? Thank you.

743
00:44:10.119 --> 00:44:12.239
<v Speaker 2>It really depends on who you're asking about. One of

744
00:44:12.320 --> 00:44:15.280
<v Speaker 2>my favorite facts though, is that a very very popular

745
00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:19.039
<v Speaker 2>pet in the medieval period is squirrels. Yes, yeah, so

746
00:44:19.039 --> 00:44:21.280
<v Speaker 2>they have those little you know, the acutie little red

747
00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:25.199
<v Speaker 2>European squirrels. People would have squirrels as pets, really really

748
00:44:25.199 --> 00:44:29.719
<v Speaker 2>commonly a huge huge thing. They definitely also have cats

749
00:44:29.719 --> 00:44:33.719
<v Speaker 2>and dogs, and when if you are a very fancy person,

750
00:44:33.960 --> 00:44:37.639
<v Speaker 2>you might have like parrots that have been imported or

751
00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:40.239
<v Speaker 2>monkeys that have been imported. Are those are like big

752
00:44:40.320 --> 00:44:42.719
<v Speaker 2>high ticket items and we certainly see rather a lot

753
00:44:42.760 --> 00:44:46.400
<v Speaker 2>of that. And people also keep birds really regularly, not

754
00:44:46.920 --> 00:44:51.239
<v Speaker 2>even necessarily like what we would consider to be exotic birds,

755
00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:55.039
<v Speaker 2>but all sorts. Like it's very common, for example, for

756
00:44:55.199 --> 00:44:59.079
<v Speaker 2>people to keep nightingales because they sing nicely, so like

757
00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:03.599
<v Speaker 2>essentially having p sogbirds is a really big thing. There

758
00:45:03.840 --> 00:45:08.039
<v Speaker 2>is some concept of animal welfare. Yeah, Like I've actually

759
00:45:08.079 --> 00:45:11.199
<v Speaker 2>written about this over at my blog in the past,

760
00:45:11.880 --> 00:45:14.760
<v Speaker 2>which was probably an article I wrote about the bull

761
00:45:14.800 --> 00:45:18.960
<v Speaker 2>Semen explosion which happened several years back, and basically I

762
00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:20.679
<v Speaker 2>was like, I got to write a blog and my

763
00:45:20.719 --> 00:45:22.320
<v Speaker 2>friend as a dare, was like, you should write about

764
00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:24.760
<v Speaker 2>the bull Semen explosion. I was like, guess what bitch.

765
00:45:26.079 --> 00:45:26.280
<v Speaker 1>Die?

766
00:45:26.320 --> 00:45:28.679
<v Speaker 2>And about a way to do it? So, yeah, there

767
00:45:28.760 --> 00:45:31.360
<v Speaker 2>is kind of a concept of what the bare minimum

768
00:45:31.519 --> 00:45:34.880
<v Speaker 2>is for treating animals in a particular way. Now grinded,

769
00:45:34.920 --> 00:45:38.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean, they're eating them all the time, but you know,

770
00:45:39.079 --> 00:45:40.880
<v Speaker 2>the animals are important to them because it's kind of

771
00:45:40.880 --> 00:45:42.920
<v Speaker 2>like a form of livelihood. So you need to treat

772
00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:47.119
<v Speaker 2>your livestock really well. And fundamentally, most people have a cow,

773
00:45:48.199 --> 00:45:50.239
<v Speaker 2>and you want to keep your cow in the best

774
00:45:50.280 --> 00:45:53.320
<v Speaker 2>possible condition because you're gonna want it to keep giving

775
00:45:53.320 --> 00:45:55.239
<v Speaker 2>you milk for as long as you possibly can. Right,

776
00:45:55.320 --> 00:45:57.440
<v Speaker 2>So these guys are pretty pampered. I mean a lot

777
00:45:57.480 --> 00:45:59.639
<v Speaker 2>of time they live in your house with you during

778
00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:03.119
<v Speaker 2>the winter. You know that that is a whole thing.

779
00:46:03.159 --> 00:46:04.880
<v Speaker 2>But then on the other hand, there'll be stuff like

780
00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:06.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, people have kind of like trained bears. There's

781
00:46:06.920 --> 00:46:08.840
<v Speaker 2>rather a lot of dancing bears, and I shuddered to

782
00:46:08.840 --> 00:46:12.119
<v Speaker 2>think how those poor guys were treated, you know, like

783
00:46:12.280 --> 00:46:14.280
<v Speaker 2>they've always got like a little chain around their neck.

784
00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:17.800
<v Speaker 2>And then when you get into the early modern period,

785
00:46:17.840 --> 00:46:20.559
<v Speaker 2>there is like rather a lot of like torturing animals

786
00:46:20.559 --> 00:46:21.039
<v Speaker 2>for fun.

787
00:46:21.679 --> 00:46:26.079
<v Speaker 1>So here the name of science, Like here.

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00:46:25.760 --> 00:46:29.360
<v Speaker 2>In London, right next to where the Globe Theater was,

789
00:46:29.920 --> 00:46:33.320
<v Speaker 2>there is a specific theater for bull baiting and another

790
00:46:33.320 --> 00:46:36.239
<v Speaker 2>one for bear baiting, where they're like, yeah, just poking

791
00:46:36.280 --> 00:46:38.400
<v Speaker 2>this bull, setting a bunch of dogs on him, poking

792
00:46:38.440 --> 00:46:39.920
<v Speaker 2>this bear, setting a bunch of dogs on him, and

793
00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:41.760
<v Speaker 2>then you'd go and like watch a bear get torn

794
00:46:41.760 --> 00:46:45.280
<v Speaker 2>apart by dogs, because you know, after the Renaissance everything

795
00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:50.800
<v Speaker 2>got so much better. So yeah, so there is there

796
00:46:50.840 --> 00:46:54.199
<v Speaker 2>is horrifying stuff like that. But yeah, and certainly we

797
00:46:54.320 --> 00:46:56.880
<v Speaker 2>do see that there is some consideration on the part

798
00:46:56.960 --> 00:47:01.039
<v Speaker 2>of ordinary people of like that animals have souls. The

799
00:47:01.159 --> 00:47:05.239
<v Speaker 2>Church is really down on this. The Church doesn't like it,

800
00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:10.280
<v Speaker 2>jerks and they don't. They don't like to think of

801
00:47:10.920 --> 00:47:14.559
<v Speaker 2>animals as having souls. And you know, the idea here

802
00:47:14.679 --> 00:47:16.840
<v Speaker 2>is that man who has been given to minion over

803
00:47:16.960 --> 00:47:19.679
<v Speaker 2>animals by God in the garden of Eden, and so

804
00:47:20.079 --> 00:47:21.679
<v Speaker 2>you know you're supposed to kind of think about it

805
00:47:21.760 --> 00:47:23.840
<v Speaker 2>that way. No, like your dog is not gonna see

806
00:47:23.840 --> 00:47:26.159
<v Speaker 2>you in heaven or whatever, which I believe is still

807
00:47:26.199 --> 00:47:29.440
<v Speaker 2>kind of like the line from Christians is that animals

808
00:47:29.440 --> 00:47:34.920
<v Speaker 2>don't have souls. But yeah, people still love animals, and

809
00:47:35.039 --> 00:47:37.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, as we can see with Queen Ford, the

810
00:47:37.360 --> 00:47:41.480
<v Speaker 2>way that people relate to them is really different to

811
00:47:41.760 --> 00:47:46.599
<v Speaker 2>how Yeah, the governing bodies tell you too, I.

812
00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:52.639
<v Speaker 1>Suppose, yeah, yeah, the church is teaching on animals not

813
00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:55.159
<v Speaker 1>having souls as stupid. I don't believe in heaven, but

814
00:47:55.159 --> 00:48:00.239
<v Speaker 1>it's still stupid. That's funny. Why wouldn't It's fine? I

815
00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:00.679
<v Speaker 1>don't care.

816
00:48:00.679 --> 00:48:02.519
<v Speaker 2>I have a little hedgehogs pet. That's another one. I

817
00:48:02.559 --> 00:48:05.119
<v Speaker 2>forgot about that hedgehog pet. Oh adorable.

818
00:48:05.760 --> 00:48:09.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, talk the final vowel. Thank you very much for

819
00:48:09.639 --> 00:48:12.480
<v Speaker 1>the question. Next we got one from Dummy thick Ner

820
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<v Speaker 1>ad din U versus.

821
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<v Speaker 2>Hello.

822
00:48:16.280 --> 00:48:19.760
<v Speaker 1>Hello. So the epidemic of sports betting in the US

823
00:48:19.960 --> 00:48:23.280
<v Speaker 1>made me wonder about medieval gambling. I know soldiers did it,

824
00:48:23.320 --> 00:48:25.599
<v Speaker 1>and playing cards developed towards the end of the period,

825
00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:29.639
<v Speaker 1>but how socially acceptable was it broadly, how pervasive was it?

826
00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:32.559
<v Speaker 1>What form did it usually take?

827
00:48:33.239 --> 00:48:34.519
<v Speaker 2>It's oh, it's prices.

828
00:48:34.800 --> 00:48:37.719
<v Speaker 1>I got bad news. So if you're the kind of

829
00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:40.519
<v Speaker 1>person now you watch like sports or something and you're like,

830
00:48:40.679 --> 00:48:45.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm tired of these fucking commercials about sports gambling apps

831
00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:48.719
<v Speaker 1>and everything like that, I think most people are. I

832
00:48:48.719 --> 00:48:51.000
<v Speaker 1>think I think most people really hate that, and for

833
00:48:51.079 --> 00:48:56.480
<v Speaker 1>good reason. But now, imagine if you didn't have ten

834
00:48:56.559 --> 00:49:01.320
<v Speaker 1>different sporting game, you didn't have ten different games a

835
00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:04.199
<v Speaker 1>night that you could watch on various streaming services and

836
00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:09.320
<v Speaker 1>everything like that. Imagine instead that, and you also don't

837
00:49:09.360 --> 00:49:14.679
<v Speaker 1>have like mass popular culture like recycling stuff into your

838
00:49:14.800 --> 00:49:17.960
<v Speaker 1>into you all the time. You're not getting like new

839
00:49:18.440 --> 00:49:22.440
<v Speaker 1>uh new novels aren't coming into the town every day

840
00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:25.119
<v Speaker 1>or something like that. You know, they that's not how

841
00:49:25.119 --> 00:49:29.400
<v Speaker 1>it works. Now, imagine how pervasive the gambling must have

842
00:49:29.480 --> 00:49:33.519
<v Speaker 1>been for like the one of the few activity the

843
00:49:33.599 --> 00:49:36.559
<v Speaker 1>few like big activities that they actually had. If you're

844
00:49:36.559 --> 00:49:41.000
<v Speaker 1>going to a hippodrome to watch uh, to to watch

845
00:49:41.079 --> 00:49:45.440
<v Speaker 1>the races, to watch the watch anything. Uh, if you're

846
00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:50.039
<v Speaker 1>going to the tilts to watch a joust or a melee,

847
00:49:50.760 --> 00:49:54.800
<v Speaker 1>everyone there is gambling on everything. They were taking odds,

848
00:49:54.840 --> 00:49:58.840
<v Speaker 1>they were taking bets. They they there were bookies, there

849
00:49:58.840 --> 00:50:01.800
<v Speaker 1>were sharks. It's I mean, it's the same practice. So

850
00:50:02.960 --> 00:50:05.719
<v Speaker 1>it would have been insanely pervasive, you know.

851
00:50:05.920 --> 00:50:06.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

852
00:50:06.239 --> 00:50:08.960
<v Speaker 1>And I completely agree about the way that the way

853
00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:13.679
<v Speaker 1>that uh sports gambling has taken over TV and how

854
00:50:13.719 --> 00:50:17.239
<v Speaker 1>awful it is, But I mean, yeah, it was somehow

855
00:50:17.280 --> 00:50:19.159
<v Speaker 1>more pervasive back then somehow.

856
00:50:19.400 --> 00:50:21.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. It's it's really interesting because it's something I really

857
00:50:21.559 --> 00:50:24.440
<v Speaker 2>noticed when I go back to the States now, I'm like, oh,

858
00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:27.599
<v Speaker 2>this is new, right, you know, because because when I

859
00:50:27.719 --> 00:50:29.400
<v Speaker 2>was a kid growing up, we didn't we didn't have

860
00:50:29.440 --> 00:50:32.840
<v Speaker 2>things like that, and so it's like, definitely is something

861
00:50:32.880 --> 00:50:35.519
<v Speaker 2>that I notice as a cultural change. But yeah, I

862
00:50:35.559 --> 00:50:40.320
<v Speaker 2>mean you're you're exactly right, Luke, all kinds of betting

863
00:50:40.320 --> 00:50:42.159
<v Speaker 2>on whatever the fuck, like, including by the time you

864
00:50:42.199 --> 00:50:44.519
<v Speaker 2>get the tutor period, whether whether or not the bear

865
00:50:44.639 --> 00:50:47.079
<v Speaker 2>is going to survive or the dogs aren't right. Uh.

866
00:50:47.239 --> 00:50:49.280
<v Speaker 2>But then also I guess that the di y one

867
00:50:49.320 --> 00:50:52.679
<v Speaker 2>is they played dice a lot. Yes, they're like constantly,

868
00:50:52.840 --> 00:50:57.400
<v Speaker 2>like they're constantly playing dice. And it's a big complaint

869
00:50:57.760 --> 00:51:00.960
<v Speaker 2>that moralists have. So so you know, when they complain

870
00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:03.320
<v Speaker 2>about brothels, they're also complaining that people are like in

871
00:51:03.360 --> 00:51:06.719
<v Speaker 2>the brothels gambling with dice or if they're complaining about

872
00:51:06.719 --> 00:51:10.280
<v Speaker 2>it particularly rowdy tavern, in the tavern, there's gambling with dice.

873
00:51:11.119 --> 00:51:15.000
<v Speaker 2>If a woman is like being called suspect, it's because

874
00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:17.199
<v Speaker 2>she also goes to the tavern and gambles with dice.

875
00:51:17.239 --> 00:51:20.400
<v Speaker 2>It's just over and over and over again, the gambling

876
00:51:20.480 --> 00:51:20.920
<v Speaker 2>with dice.

877
00:51:21.360 --> 00:51:23.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, with the dice. Yeah, I mean they love it.

878
00:51:23.400 --> 00:51:23.840
<v Speaker 2>They love it.

879
00:51:23.920 --> 00:51:28.280
<v Speaker 1>How yeah, whatever, It's very hard to imagine, but like,

880
00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:34.679
<v Speaker 1>gambling is one of the few pastime activities these people

881
00:51:35.519 --> 00:51:40.320
<v Speaker 1>can have in their free time, because it doesn't require

882
00:51:40.360 --> 00:51:45.480
<v Speaker 1>anything but a stupid game of chance and some coin

883
00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:51.079
<v Speaker 1>or something people value. And you know, you can do

884
00:51:51.119 --> 00:51:52.679
<v Speaker 1>that at the pub. You can do that down at

885
00:51:52.719 --> 00:51:56.320
<v Speaker 1>the pub. You can do that like with some people

886
00:51:56.679 --> 00:51:59.280
<v Speaker 1>you know on the big farm that your master owns

887
00:51:59.360 --> 00:52:02.320
<v Speaker 1>or whatever. You know, it's just a thing you can do,

888
00:52:02.599 --> 00:52:08.800
<v Speaker 1>like fucking that drinking. Uh m hmm. Yeah, I don't know.

889
00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:13.199
<v Speaker 2>Surviving like the gambler or the gambling demon has always

890
00:52:13.199 --> 00:52:16.519
<v Speaker 2>been with us, you know, whether or not he's ensnared

891
00:52:16.639 --> 00:52:19.840
<v Speaker 2>your mother. That's that's just true.

892
00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:24.719
<v Speaker 1>The man, that whole thing is just the whole thing

893
00:52:24.760 --> 00:52:28.199
<v Speaker 1>from him going like I'm not a state, I'm a

894
00:52:28.239 --> 00:52:33.119
<v Speaker 1>monster to him, like the gambling running in there and

895
00:52:33.159 --> 00:52:39.039
<v Speaker 1>the like as.

896
00:52:41.320 --> 00:52:48.639
<v Speaker 2>A boogeyman or Boogieyman, classic app what an app incredible Yeah,

897
00:52:49.159 --> 00:52:50.480
<v Speaker 2>shout out, shout out.

898
00:52:50.800 --> 00:52:55.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Uh. Anyway, Uh, my opinion on any vice is

899
00:52:55.840 --> 00:52:59.960
<v Speaker 1>that it should remain legal because puritanical banning of things

900
00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:03.119
<v Speaker 1>it sucks and is evil. But society should have safeguards

901
00:53:03.119 --> 00:53:04.960
<v Speaker 1>in place to help people so they don't fall into

902
00:53:05.000 --> 00:53:08.800
<v Speaker 1>these problems, uh, like like we're falling into right now,

903
00:53:08.840 --> 00:53:11.400
<v Speaker 1>like gambling addictions. So if they want to out off

904
00:53:11.480 --> 00:53:17.000
<v Speaker 1>gambling apps, fine by me, yeah, even though yeah, otherwise

905
00:53:17.079 --> 00:53:19.159
<v Speaker 1>I'm not on board with full banning. I don't do

906
00:53:19.199 --> 00:53:20.320
<v Speaker 1>that teetotal or bullshit.

907
00:53:20.840 --> 00:53:23.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah exactly, I'm the same. I think it's bad, but

908
00:53:23.400 --> 00:53:25.400
<v Speaker 2>like if you ban it, it's still gonna happen. And

909
00:53:25.599 --> 00:53:27.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, there's also Simpsons episode about that.

910
00:53:27.559 --> 00:53:31.519
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, you out gambling. And I think gambling is fun,

911
00:53:31.760 --> 00:53:34.639
<v Speaker 1>and I don't do it much because I know that,

912
00:53:34.800 --> 00:53:37.320
<v Speaker 1>like I don't have enough money to like to do it,

913
00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:39.599
<v Speaker 1>and I don't you know, I don't want to ruin

914
00:53:39.760 --> 00:53:44.679
<v Speaker 1>like finances or anything, but like you can't. It can't

915
00:53:44.760 --> 00:53:47.159
<v Speaker 1>just be like this at a time when like all

916
00:53:47.239 --> 00:53:50.239
<v Speaker 1>of the social and communal safeguards we have are just

917
00:53:51.039 --> 00:53:56.119
<v Speaker 1>fucking ground into dust. Anyway, Uh, dummy thick Ner, I did.

918
00:53:56.159 --> 00:53:58.920
<v Speaker 1>Thank you very much for the question. We got one

919
00:53:59.079 --> 00:54:05.039
<v Speaker 1>from Fluffy. Got a couple more thinking about shifting baseline syndrome.

920
00:54:05.119 --> 00:54:07.719
<v Speaker 1>I am wondering what we nevil accounts there are that

921
00:54:07.760 --> 00:54:09.800
<v Speaker 1>can give us an idea of the abundance of wildlife

922
00:54:09.800 --> 00:54:13.079
<v Speaker 1>in the medieval era, like how teeming with life or

923
00:54:13.119 --> 00:54:16.079
<v Speaker 1>the oceans did the countryside have more wildlife? And real

924
00:54:16.159 --> 00:54:21.280
<v Speaker 1>quick shifting baseline is like it's how a system is

925
00:54:21.360 --> 00:54:26.760
<v Speaker 1>measured against previous reference points. And the problem with measuring

926
00:54:27.519 --> 00:54:31.159
<v Speaker 1>wildlife against previous reference points is that wildlife has dropped

927
00:54:31.199 --> 00:54:36.159
<v Speaker 1>off so dramatically since industrialization really started going full steam

928
00:54:36.159 --> 00:54:39.079
<v Speaker 1>ahead in the seventeen hundreds that I mean like we're

929
00:54:39.159 --> 00:54:46.639
<v Speaker 1>like we've lost seventy eighty percent of the wildlife. Not

930
00:54:46.800 --> 00:54:48.760
<v Speaker 1>this not of the total species, but just of the

931
00:54:48.840 --> 00:54:52.480
<v Speaker 1>amount of wildlife that we had. And that's before you

932
00:54:52.480 --> 00:54:55.719
<v Speaker 1>even get into stuff like all the trees and everything.

933
00:54:55.760 --> 00:54:58.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean, England used to be lush with forests.

934
00:54:59.000 --> 00:55:01.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, we used to be forested. And I think

935
00:55:01.079 --> 00:55:02.760
<v Speaker 2>that this is another thing to kind of keep in

936
00:55:02.800 --> 00:55:05.679
<v Speaker 2>mind here is it's not just animals, because yeah, the

937
00:55:05.840 --> 00:55:10.480
<v Speaker 2>population of animals drops incredibly abruptly, but it's also plants

938
00:55:10.760 --> 00:55:15.719
<v Speaker 2>because before you have monocultures, right, you know, and industrialized farming,

939
00:55:15.760 --> 00:55:18.039
<v Speaker 2>that's like all we have is just like a bunch

940
00:55:18.079 --> 00:55:20.079
<v Speaker 2>of sugar beats. Like you know, you'll go to parts

941
00:55:20.079 --> 00:55:23.320
<v Speaker 2>of here, you know, I'll go up to like Hampshire

942
00:55:23.360 --> 00:55:24.480
<v Speaker 2>or something, and I'll go on a walk and it's

943
00:55:24.480 --> 00:55:26.440
<v Speaker 2>just fields and fields and fields and fields and fields

944
00:55:26.480 --> 00:55:28.159
<v Speaker 2>and sugar beets and the like. That's it, you know,

945
00:55:28.199 --> 00:55:33.920
<v Speaker 2>And so when you don't have that, then you have

946
00:55:34.079 --> 00:55:35.679
<v Speaker 2>like a greater abundance of things that you know, so

947
00:55:36.079 --> 00:55:38.559
<v Speaker 2>for example, just having like fallow fields that are gonna

948
00:55:39.199 --> 00:55:43.000
<v Speaker 2>grab whatever wildlife is. That's a really big thing. And

949
00:55:43.119 --> 00:55:46.639
<v Speaker 2>also things like, for example, regularly mowing, you know, like

950
00:55:46.679 --> 00:55:49.320
<v Speaker 2>how we we mow lawns and things all the time.

951
00:55:49.320 --> 00:55:52.840
<v Speaker 2>It's like here, there's kind of like a movement away

952
00:55:52.880 --> 00:55:56.000
<v Speaker 2>from that. In especially May. There's this thing that they

953
00:55:56.039 --> 00:55:58.239
<v Speaker 2>call it no mo May where they're like, don't please,

954
00:55:58.280 --> 00:56:01.480
<v Speaker 2>don't like mow your lawn in May because because it's

955
00:56:01.519 --> 00:56:03.400
<v Speaker 2>really bad for the environment, and there's like a lot

956
00:56:03.440 --> 00:56:05.840
<v Speaker 2>of pollinators and things that require all the plants that

957
00:56:05.840 --> 00:56:08.159
<v Speaker 2>would grow. And if you don't mow your lawn all

958
00:56:08.199 --> 00:56:11.880
<v Speaker 2>the time, turns out it's full of fucking flowers. Yeah,

959
00:56:11.920 --> 00:56:13.360
<v Speaker 2>And it's just like but if you do it all

960
00:56:13.360 --> 00:56:15.440
<v Speaker 2>the time, then they never they never develop, right, And

961
00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:22.400
<v Speaker 2>so that that privileges grass, which is terrible for the environment.

962
00:56:22.719 --> 00:56:26.800
<v Speaker 2>And you know, there are all these kinds of knock

963
00:56:26.840 --> 00:56:28.360
<v Speaker 2>on effects in terms of I think one of the

964
00:56:28.360 --> 00:56:30.559
<v Speaker 2>ones that people don't think about a lot, it's just

965
00:56:30.559 --> 00:56:35.119
<v Speaker 2>bugs there are a lot more bugs, little insect guys

966
00:56:35.199 --> 00:56:39.440
<v Speaker 2>hanging out like doing doing various things. But yeah, way, way,

967
00:56:39.519 --> 00:56:43.599
<v Speaker 2>way more birds. You know, basically you could go to

968
00:56:43.599 --> 00:56:46.519
<v Speaker 2>any river and get fish out of it or eels,

969
00:56:46.559 --> 00:56:50.159
<v Speaker 2>eels being a really big one to eat here. It's

970
00:56:50.519 --> 00:56:53.039
<v Speaker 2>you probably wouldn't find like bears in every forest. Like

971
00:56:53.079 --> 00:56:55.880
<v Speaker 2>that's probably going too far, but there are going to

972
00:56:55.880 --> 00:56:58.119
<v Speaker 2>be a lot of deer or a lot of things

973
00:56:58.119 --> 00:56:58.800
<v Speaker 2>of this nature.

974
00:56:58.920 --> 00:57:02.480
<v Speaker 1>But just imagine like the like doing like medieval like

975
00:57:02.760 --> 00:57:05.960
<v Speaker 1>uh like death statistics and you know, like okay, you

976
00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:10.199
<v Speaker 1>know this week or you know this year, ten people

977
00:57:10.440 --> 00:57:15.599
<v Speaker 1>were killed by stabbing in London and you know, seventeen

978
00:57:15.639 --> 00:57:18.840
<v Speaker 1>people died of pneumonia or whatever, and oh my god,

979
00:57:19.039 --> 00:57:22.280
<v Speaker 1>ten thousand people died of bear deaths just wandering the

980
00:57:22.400 --> 00:57:25.440
<v Speaker 1>edge of the forest because there's so many fucking bears.

981
00:57:25.480 --> 00:57:28.599
<v Speaker 2>Like oh yeah, you know, you know people used to

982
00:57:28.719 --> 00:57:29.880
<v Speaker 2>hut wild boar all the time.

983
00:57:30.199 --> 00:57:33.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, wild board, they used to roam England,

984
00:57:33.679 --> 00:57:36.559
<v Speaker 1>they used to they fucking roamed Germany. They were a

985
00:57:36.760 --> 00:57:39.920
<v Speaker 1>menace in Germany literally, yeah yeah, And that doesn't mean

986
00:57:39.920 --> 00:57:41.320
<v Speaker 1>they should have been killed off, but.

987
00:57:41.599 --> 00:57:43.920
<v Speaker 2>They still are. I think we've all seen the picture

988
00:57:43.920 --> 00:57:47.639
<v Speaker 2>of the naked German. Yeah whose got stolen?

989
00:57:47.719 --> 00:57:49.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was sure, and that the other day that

990
00:57:49.199 --> 00:57:49.800
<v Speaker 1>was great.

991
00:57:50.599 --> 00:57:52.280
<v Speaker 2>Image for the show, just put that.

992
00:57:52.559 --> 00:57:57.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's you know, I think it's hard for us

993
00:57:57.000 --> 00:58:04.119
<v Speaker 1>to imagine because it's so different. But like a count

994
00:58:04.280 --> 00:58:08.599
<v Speaker 1>historical accounts of like even the Vikings just going when

995
00:58:08.599 --> 00:58:11.880
<v Speaker 1>they got to like Canada, when they went to Vinland,

996
00:58:11.960 --> 00:58:16.159
<v Speaker 1>like they like they were they they were talking about

997
00:58:16.199 --> 00:58:20.400
<v Speaker 1>how the lands were so teeming with wildlife and the

998
00:58:20.440 --> 00:58:22.679
<v Speaker 1>oceans were so teeming with fish that they could have

999
00:58:23.320 --> 00:58:27.280
<v Speaker 1>walked from their boats onto the land by stepping on fish.

1000
00:58:27.400 --> 00:58:33.639
<v Speaker 1>Like it's just like we don't have any we don't

1001
00:58:33.639 --> 00:58:36.559
<v Speaker 1>have any concept of it, and there's really no way

1002
00:58:36.599 --> 00:58:43.239
<v Speaker 1>to give a concept of it because like where like

1003
00:58:43.280 --> 00:58:45.679
<v Speaker 1>where would all those animals go, How would they feed?

1004
00:58:45.760 --> 00:58:50.760
<v Speaker 1>Where would they live? Like we don't have enough warrens

1005
00:58:50.920 --> 00:58:55.360
<v Speaker 1>and forests and rainforests and glacier Like we don't have

1006
00:58:55.480 --> 00:58:58.280
<v Speaker 1>enough natural habitats that exist for these things anymore. And

1007
00:58:58.280 --> 00:59:01.440
<v Speaker 1>it's we just live in a different world and like

1008
00:59:04.079 --> 00:59:06.280
<v Speaker 1>this is one of the things where like you know,

1009
00:59:06.800 --> 00:59:09.320
<v Speaker 1>we need to go back because we're killing all species.

1010
00:59:09.360 --> 00:59:12.719
<v Speaker 1>Like I don't like bugs, but there are far fewer

1011
00:59:12.760 --> 00:59:15.559
<v Speaker 1>bugs in Florida than they used to be, and that's

1012
00:59:15.639 --> 00:59:17.639
<v Speaker 1>not good. Like it's just not.

1013
00:59:19.000 --> 00:59:22.320
<v Speaker 2>Bugs are necessary for keeping things together except mosquitoes.

1014
00:59:22.360 --> 00:59:25.880
<v Speaker 1>If you if you try to be like THEO.

1015
00:59:25.159 --> 00:59:27.039
<v Speaker 2>Don't fuck you, don't give a shit.

1016
00:59:27.559 --> 00:59:32.159
<v Speaker 1>Eradicate them all the world as a fuck one billion

1017
00:59:32.239 --> 00:59:34.760
<v Speaker 1>dead mosquitoes, and it still wouldn't put a fucking dentt

1018
00:59:34.760 --> 00:59:37.960
<v Speaker 1>in there. Now. I'm trying to wipe We've been trying

1019
00:59:37.960 --> 00:59:40.679
<v Speaker 1>to wipe those fucking things out for three hundred thousand years,

1020
00:59:40.679 --> 00:59:44.079
<v Speaker 1>and we are not one step closer. We are even

1021
00:59:44.119 --> 00:59:47.679
<v Speaker 1>with the Adam Baum. Yeah, last one for today, question

1022
00:59:47.719 --> 00:59:50.079
<v Speaker 1>from may Day. Was there any connection between the claim

1023
00:59:50.199 --> 00:59:52.480
<v Speaker 1>King Arthur would return in Britain's hour of need and

1024
00:59:52.519 --> 00:59:55.000
<v Speaker 1>the myth of Constantine the eleventh didn't die, but we'll

1025
00:59:55.000 --> 00:59:59.599
<v Speaker 1>return to restore or yeah, to restore Christendom to Constantine city.

1026
01:00:00.199 --> 01:00:02.400
<v Speaker 1>Woo king in the mountain, let's fucking go.

1027
01:00:03.000 --> 01:00:05.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yo, there are so many of these, just so

1028
01:00:05.440 --> 01:00:07.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, we got there's a version of this where

1029
01:00:08.039 --> 01:00:11.239
<v Speaker 2>Frederick Barbarossa yep is in a mountain and he's going

1030
01:00:11.280 --> 01:00:16.280
<v Speaker 2>to return, obviously with the Czechs. Saint Frentislaus is in

1031
01:00:16.360 --> 01:00:19.960
<v Speaker 2>a mountain and he's going to return. Although I'll tell

1032
01:00:19.960 --> 01:00:21.559
<v Speaker 2>you what, the Chech's greatest hour of need I think

1033
01:00:21.559 --> 01:00:25.880
<v Speaker 2>has come and gone several times. When the Nazis took over,

1034
01:00:26.079 --> 01:00:28.880
<v Speaker 2>it would have been then, But what about.

1035
01:00:28.599 --> 01:00:33.719
<v Speaker 1>What about when when the Habsburgs were like just slaughtering, like, yeah,

1036
01:00:34.880 --> 01:00:38.039
<v Speaker 1>I just want wine with the with the.

1037
01:00:41.480 --> 01:00:44.880
<v Speaker 2>No no wine for plebs. Yeah, so I would have

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<v Speaker 2>thought that homeboy would have come back. So yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 2>just an incredibly prevalent European myth. Everybody's got their own

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01:00:51.880 --> 01:00:54.440
<v Speaker 2>guy that is waiting in a mountain and is going

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01:00:54.519 --> 01:00:56.360
<v Speaker 2>to come back. And we just tend to know more

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01:00:56.360 --> 01:00:58.880
<v Speaker 2>about King Arthur because we're all here speaking English, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Like that's the one as a result of what happens

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01:01:02.920 --> 01:01:05.920
<v Speaker 2>as a result of colonialism and imperialism. You know, you

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<v Speaker 2>got you get King Arthur. But yeah, like people have

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<v Speaker 2>this just as it's it's a fun story they like

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01:01:13.039 --> 01:01:16.639
<v Speaker 2>to tell themselves, and it all kind of depends on

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<v Speaker 2>who you ask. So like the Nazis like to the

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<v Speaker 2>Barbarossa one right, so that they would bring that up.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, like I'm not going to go through

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<v Speaker 1>all of them, because there are a ton. But like

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<v Speaker 1>you can look at Wikipedia and search for King of

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01:01:33.719 --> 01:01:36.400
<v Speaker 1>sleep in the Mountain and just see how many of

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<v Speaker 1>them there are. They are from every state, every culture,

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01:01:43.239 --> 01:01:46.639
<v Speaker 1>most world relig most, if not all, world religions. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>there's the idea that King David's going to come back

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<v Speaker 1>and save the Jews. There's the idea that who was

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01:01:54.519 --> 01:01:58.280
<v Speaker 1>it John the evangelist is going to come back, that

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<v Speaker 1>whole golden legend thing. Yeah, yeah, I mean, but but

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<v Speaker 1>I will point out two of these because they are funny.

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<v Speaker 1>One you mentioned Constantini eleventh, who is the least like

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<v Speaker 1>all of these other people are. Many of them are

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<v Speaker 1>like are like, uh, powerful rulers who maybe were cut

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<v Speaker 1>down too early by you know, the happenstances of life

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01:02:23.960 --> 01:02:29.119
<v Speaker 1>or whatever. And uh. But then you get Constantini eleventh,

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<v Speaker 1>who's just this guy who's like the Imperial Crown has

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01:02:32.239 --> 01:02:36.119
<v Speaker 1>devolved down to this shithead. He's a pale imitation of everything.

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<v Speaker 1>He can't get any friends in, he can't stop this.

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<v Speaker 1>He's just kind of hapless. He either commits suicide or

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<v Speaker 1>dies in the fighting. Like it's just it's so funny

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<v Speaker 1>to make that your guy when you've got You've got Justinian,

1072
01:02:54.920 --> 01:02:57.719
<v Speaker 1>You've got basled a second, you've got you.

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<v Speaker 2>At constant.

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<v Speaker 1>In the first Alexia, she got all these guys. Nope,

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01:03:03.760 --> 01:03:08.440
<v Speaker 1>constantin the eleventh. And then of course Genghis Khan and

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<v Speaker 1>his is So he's sleeping in the Sacred Mountain where

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<v Speaker 1>he legend says he is buried and he's gonna come back.

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<v Speaker 1>But the reason I find this one so interesting is

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<v Speaker 1>is two things. Number One, there are still people there

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<v Speaker 1>who believe it, like or there were like in the

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<v Speaker 1>seventies and eighties, like part of the like quasi nomadic

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01:03:32.760 --> 01:03:35.199
<v Speaker 1>tribes that still live there who definitely believe it. But

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<v Speaker 1>also there's still basically a Mongolian gag order on talking

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01:03:41.239 --> 01:03:43.719
<v Speaker 1>to outsiders about where Ginghis Khan is buried.

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<v Speaker 2>Fucking yeah, that's so fucking cool.

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<v Speaker 1>It really is, like that they just keep it there,

1087
01:03:50.280 --> 01:03:52.599
<v Speaker 1>like even if they don't actually believe he's coming back,

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01:03:52.840 --> 01:03:54.800
<v Speaker 1>it's really cool that they're just like, no, you're not

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01:03:55.079 --> 01:03:55.440
<v Speaker 1>you're not.

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<v Speaker 2>Gonna it's not for you.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not gonna fuck with Timmys and stuff, you assholes. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>I absolutely love that. You know, if it wouldn't be

1094
01:04:06.079 --> 01:04:08.360
<v Speaker 2>we're not so different if we didn't repeatedly talk about

1095
01:04:08.400 --> 01:04:09.599
<v Speaker 2>how temaging whips.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I love a key can sleep in the mountain.

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<v Speaker 1>And I would note here that this is just really funny.

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<v Speaker 1>But the fact that Walt Disney has been quite supposedly

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<v Speaker 1>crgenically frozen and hidden at Disney Disneyland is cited as

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<v Speaker 1>an example of this. And I don't know who put

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<v Speaker 1>that in here, but.

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<v Speaker 2>That's really good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you are an amazing Wikipedia, Like I.

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<v Speaker 2>Mean, shout out to Wikipedia. We love the work they do.

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<v Speaker 2>What can I say?

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<v Speaker 1>I love it? Oh man, that's great. Yeah, folks, that's

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01:04:45.480 --> 01:04:49.000
<v Speaker 1>going to do it for us today. We we would

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<v Speaker 1>be back next time with the mailbag for July. Actually

1109
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<v Speaker 1>is coming next week because we're both traveling on on

1110
01:04:58.760 --> 01:05:02.239
<v Speaker 1>hiatus for a bit. And yeah, and we'll be back

1111
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<v Speaker 1>this Friday with our book Club series episode on the Cameron.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe it is day four, So yeah, look forward

1113
01:05:09.719 --> 01:05:14.440
<v Speaker 1>to that. Patrons, uh Patreon dot com, slash w nsdpod

1114
01:05:14.920 --> 01:05:17.760
<v Speaker 1>it's five dollars a month, sign up. It'll be great,

1115
01:05:18.199 --> 01:05:20.400
<v Speaker 1>eleanor you got anything else jesus.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, there's we're here, there and everywhere, aren't

1117
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<v Speaker 2>we at the top of the show. You already said

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<v Speaker 2>all the places you can find us. I think, yeah

1119
01:05:28.360 --> 01:05:32.440
<v Speaker 2>that we can keep you real busy this month. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you you can listen.

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01:05:33.639 --> 01:05:37.079
<v Speaker 1>You can listen to a lot of us, you know,

1122
01:05:39.039 --> 01:05:41.920
<v Speaker 1>check that out. Check out the new series Welcome to

1123
01:05:41.920 --> 01:05:44.079
<v Speaker 1>the Crusades dot Com. It's it's a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I guess I want one one small request. I guess,

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01:05:47.679 --> 01:05:51.400
<v Speaker 2>like over over at by work podcast Gone Medieval. I

1126
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<v Speaker 2>did a whole episode on the host site wars and

1127
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<v Speaker 2>I want to and I want to prove to them

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<v Speaker 2>that people like hoistsite things. So if you could go

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<v Speaker 2>give that a lesson, listen to it and like pump

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<v Speaker 2>those numbers up, that'd be great. And also I had

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<v Speaker 2>to write like eight thousand words for it, so please

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<v Speaker 2>reward my work. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and listen to Gone Medieval. It's fun. You would

1134
01:06:13.159 --> 01:06:15.599
<v Speaker 1>like it. Yeah, you guys know where to find us.

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<v Speaker 1>Eleanor is at Going Medieval in the socials. I'm at

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<v Speaker 1>Luca's amazing on the socials. You guys know the deal.

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<v Speaker 1>We're getting out of here, everybody. Thank you all so

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<v Speaker 1>much for listening, and we'll see you next time.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi,