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Speaker 3: Here, Hi, and welcome back to another episode of Deplorable Nation.
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Speaker 1: my wonderful best friend Janet.
Speaker 3: I love doing these shows together because not only is
Speaker 3: it creepy, but it's also educational. So today, ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 3: of course, we are continuing our sideshow Attraction series and
Speaker 3: today it is Skeletons in Your Closet, And so today
Speaker 3: we're going to talk about all things wild and weird
Speaker 3: about skeletons and skeletal deformities. And again disclaimer, don't get
Speaker 3: your panties up in a bunch, because we are just
Speaker 3: stating back about people who used to be inside shows
Speaker 3: or could be considered a side show performer because of
Speaker 3: things that they had. A lot of these things you
Speaker 3: don't see so much anymore, but it was common back
Speaker 3: in the day.
Speaker 1: No, don't. Yeah, And look, I mean there's gonna be
Speaker 1: some pictures, like always, there's gonna be just warning, right,
Speaker 1: trigger alert. There's gonna be some medical nudity, not just
Speaker 1: weirdo nudity, medical nudity, and some little bit disturbing. There's
Speaker 1: a couple disturbing photos, so just you know, be aware
Speaker 1: if you don't like things like that. There's no gore
Speaker 1: per se, but there's some very strange things. And so
Speaker 1: there is one today that uh, I will preface when
Speaker 1: I get to that photo, I will give everybody a
Speaker 1: little trigger warning because there are external bouts visible, so
Speaker 1: that one might be traumatic for some people, so right,
Speaker 1: our babies and children.
Speaker 3: So yeah, and sorry if it offends anyone. But again,
Speaker 3: this is passing along medical information about conditions specific to
Speaker 3: people that were performers in side shows back in the day.
Speaker 3: You don't see these things anymore because it's considered exploitative
Speaker 3: or whatever you want to think.
Speaker 1: But but they do have shows like the Little People
Speaker 1: shows and all this stuff. They still exploit them. And
Speaker 1: guess what, I'm glad they do, because those people need
Speaker 1: a freaking job. Like, let's be real, they can't if
Speaker 1: you got brittle bone disease, which we're going to go into,
Speaker 1: you can't go work and be lifting things and hurt yourself. Like,
Speaker 1: let's be real. No, I'm glad they have a place
Speaker 1: to be and they should be able to choose. But regardless,
Speaker 1: we aren't weighing in on the morality part so much.
Speaker 1: We're just showing you what's real about real medical problems.
Speaker 3: But here's here's the flip side of that coin. Like
Speaker 3: you said, good thing this existed back in the day
Speaker 3: so that they would have an opportunity to work and
Speaker 3: earn money. And like you said, they're still exploiting people
Speaker 3: because of all the different things. But now it's on
Speaker 3: TV or on film, so it's okay, right.
Speaker 1: Ye, right, yeah, you know, I'll open this up and
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to be where you can talk,
Speaker 1: where it will follow along, I hope. So I think
Speaker 1: I did. I think I did.
Speaker 3: We're going to do whatever we're going to do.
Speaker 1: I try to go off of Miss Janet's notes that
Speaker 1: are very wonderful. So so we get to day.
Speaker 3: One of the first things we're going to talk about
Speaker 3: is human skeleton people. Right, they appeared to be extremely emaciated.
Speaker 3: They're very tall, they're very slender, they have uber long arms,
Speaker 3: uber long legs, some distortion in the chest, things of
Speaker 3: that nature. And so the most common condition that causes
Speaker 3: that is Marphan syndrome.
Speaker 1: Can you see this, Miss Janet?
Speaker 3: Oh, hold on, I got to bring it up. Oh
Speaker 3: you're good, Okay, So look at how long for people
Speaker 3: who are watching this guy's arms are literally down to
Speaker 3: his knees, that's how long his arms are. And so
Speaker 3: a lot of times this is a genetic connective tissue
Speaker 3: disorders that it affects like building the bony structures of
Speaker 3: the body. And so they have a whole lot of
Speaker 3: problems with this. But interesting side note on Marphins syndrome,
Speaker 3: there is speculation that President Abraham Lincoln actually had Marfan
Speaker 3: syndrome because he was abnormally shaped. Now this person, yes
Speaker 3: we're looking at now, not only does she have Marfan syndrome,
Speaker 3: but she also has scoliosis in her spine with you know,
Speaker 3: the sideways curvature in her spine, and she.
Speaker 1: Also has it common Yeah, he has.
Speaker 3: It in her lumbar and also in her cervical spine.
Speaker 1: So yes, yep, And this one was so I think
Speaker 1: this one just showed so perfectly because of the length
Speaker 1: of her fingers and everything. I just really liked this photo.
Speaker 1: Not that she's not for her like that's sad, but
Speaker 1: it just shows almost clinically like look at that picture
Speaker 1: versus like this guy, Like it looks the same same.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, exactly. And so one of the things, not
Speaker 3: only do they have really long arms, really long legs,
Speaker 3: they can have disproportionately long fingers, toes, things like that,
Speaker 3: but they also have very hyper flexible joints and like
Speaker 3: I said, scoliosis, but they can also have chyphosis, which
Speaker 3: means that the curvature in the spine is not sideways,
Speaker 3: it's outward, so hunchback, right, so hunchback name type people
Speaker 3: things like that, also the deformities and the chest where
Speaker 3: they can either have a sunken chest like the girl
Speaker 3: in the picture head or they can have what she
Speaker 3: calls a pigeon chest where it what bulges out instead
Speaker 3: of the pigeon. Pigeon for you, yeap, forgive me for
Speaker 3: saying this one. Wait wait, wait, pull that one picture
Speaker 3: back up again.
Speaker 1: Look at that one?
Speaker 3: Whoa pull the pull the previous Okay, I think it
Speaker 3: was this one. Oh it looks like a face.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh it does. Oh I see it. Oh it does.
Speaker 1: That looks like a mouths in the nose in the
Speaker 1: mouth and the ice. Sorry, no, I see it, dude,
Speaker 1: I see it. And these ones were crazy like the
Speaker 1: deviation of this and the pressure it puts on the heart.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Right, because the picture that we're looking at right now,
Speaker 3: they have a sunken chest. The chest is caved in,
Speaker 3: so it looks like the actual breastbone between the rib
Speaker 3: cage is missing, and so you have the you know,
Speaker 3: the the breast and then there's this deep con cave
Speaker 3: like hole in the chest.
Speaker 1: What would happen if we do CPR on them? Dude,
Speaker 1: that looks terrifying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. I would not want to touch a
Speaker 3: patient like that because it looks like the breastplate is
Speaker 3: not there.
Speaker 1: And this one is so dramatic and it looks like
Speaker 1: a bird. Look I I beak right, you call it
Speaker 1: the pigeon thing.
Speaker 3: And the picture that we're looking at right now, like
Speaker 3: the chest is protruding, but it also is kind of
Speaker 3: like in a triangular shape. So it's like the ribcage
Speaker 3: did not form properly and it's causing a very large.
Speaker 1: Severe Yes, and I try to find the most severe
Speaker 1: one speaking a plunch back, this one is very sad.
Speaker 1: And this is a woman, by the way, and it's just.
Speaker 3: Very severe case of cayphosis.
Speaker 1: And there's our most famous cauphosis.
Speaker 3: Second Notre Dame. So one of the things about this
Speaker 3: condition is some patients can have caiphos scoliosis, so they
Speaker 3: have skull and kyphosis both. And so not only do
Speaker 3: they have the sideways s curvature of this spine, but
Speaker 3: they also have the hunchback. That's what this child looks like.
Speaker 1: Yep, she has the both this and the side and
Speaker 1: they are able to surgically at least help these people, now,
Speaker 1: which I'm so grateful because this is so severe in
Speaker 1: some people that I mean, it's almost mind boggling.
Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, kind of it's kind of skit whow.
Speaker 1: That's the difference. So that was how she started and
Speaker 1: then down at the bottom after traction and surgery where
Speaker 1: she went to. So that's a huge difference.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that that spinal thing is very like disruptive to
Speaker 3: your organs, to your lungs because whenever you have like
Speaker 3: a massive curvature, this one, I would say is probably
Speaker 3: like well over twelve degrees of curvature because that's what's
Speaker 3: required for surgical intervention. But this particular girl, if you
Speaker 3: think about like what that does and how that shifts
Speaker 3: all the internal organs to different parts of the body
Speaker 3: or crams like the lungs up into the chest's cavity.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine the internal organs. Yeah, even here after surgery,
Speaker 1: you can still see there's a huge displacement still of
Speaker 1: the cayphosis. Yeah, but doesn't mean it's not as severe
Speaker 1: as it was.
Speaker 3: And the shoulders on this person that we're looking at
Speaker 3: are very deformed as well. So the shoulder bones on
Speaker 3: the back look like actual chicken wings because of like
Speaker 3: a thin yeah art sticking out just on one side
Speaker 3: on the right side. It's it's very much protruding past
Speaker 3: the rest of the body.
Speaker 1: And look, I think the reason why they couldn't fix
Speaker 1: it is I literally think this shoulder grew bigger, like
Speaker 1: it is big. Look at that.
Speaker 3: I'm clear now, And that's that's one of the things
Speaker 3: that we'll talk about later on, because that does happen
Speaker 3: in certain conditions where one side of the body grows
Speaker 3: bigger than the other side of the body, when there's
Speaker 3: spinal deformities like this.
Speaker 1: It's so sad. This guy was pretty famous. He's like
Speaker 1: a human skeleton one with mar Fan. He can't remember
Speaker 1: his name, but I thought his was very James Morris. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a definitely got So.
Speaker 3: He was considered either the ossified man or the living skeleton.
Speaker 3: And it said not only did he have Marfan syndrome,
Speaker 3: but they also think that he had other connective tissues
Speaker 3: as well. These people to me also like him especially
Speaker 3: looks like he has wasting syndrome where all of his
Speaker 3: musculature is missing, and so it literally looks like on
Speaker 3: his arm, just skin directly over the bone.
Speaker 1: It's terrifying. Like, actually, his face doesn't look bad. The
Speaker 1: face seems to not he's normal, yeah, but he just
Speaker 1: looks emaciated, like you said, but man, my husband was
Speaker 1: actually having a hard time with these.
Speaker 3: Look at how large his kneecaps are, though, like, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: look really huge. And then it looks like this, you know,
Speaker 3: like an oversized like in between a softball and a
Speaker 3: basketball or something. And then his legs are really tiny
Speaker 3: compared to the size of his knees.
Speaker 1: That's wild, super wild. He's in a lot of things,
Speaker 1: like when I looked up at him and this next
Speaker 1: guy that you had, this guy that was seven it's
Speaker 1: something that this is him. I can't remember his name,
Speaker 1: but he was next on the mar fam guys that
Speaker 1: was seven foot two. I think his last name was Alan.
Speaker 3: But yeah, And one of the things since we were
Speaker 3: talking about like organ displacement and stuff for people's bodies,
Speaker 3: because it's a skeletal deformity and we haven't seen it
Speaker 3: in the pictures that we've looked at yet, but a
Speaker 3: lot of times because the facial bones also don't form
Speaker 3: like they're supposed to. You can also have eye problems
Speaker 3: like a dislocation of your ocular lens, which causes a
Speaker 3: lot of problems because it distorts your cranial nerves. And
Speaker 3: then they're also really high at risk for aortic aneurysms
Speaker 3: or having those actually rupture or burst because their organs
Speaker 3: are moved around the body and the A order literally
Speaker 3: runs straight down the center line of the body. And
Speaker 3: so if you're shifting everything, especially with real severe scoliosis,
Speaker 3: cayphosis and the abnormalities and the you know, the chest,
Speaker 3: the chess plate, the you know, rib cage, all of
Speaker 3: that stuff.
Speaker 1: It seems like every picture I got too, they all
Speaker 1: have all of them if it's at the same level,
Speaker 1: because you can see sunken chess deviated also he's got
Speaker 1: a lot and scoliosis with the huge shoulder again.
Speaker 3: Yep, yep, And that's what they said. And a lot
Speaker 3: of times it wasn't just Marfans syndrome. There were performers
Speaker 3: that performed, you know, as as the Hell but as
Speaker 3: the living skeletons or human skeleton, whatever you want to
Speaker 3: call him. But it could have also been from herculosis,
Speaker 3: severe anorexia, or other wasting conditions that caused them to
Speaker 3: look you know, kind of like James Morris did where
Speaker 3: it looked like he had no muscle or ligature in
Speaker 3: his body. It just looked like droopy bones everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wild, this is so deep. I just I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I would not.
Speaker 3: I think I would take a pass on the CPR.
Speaker 1: I know, the where would the heart beat?
Speaker 3: Like, where is it right? And especially since there's no
Speaker 3: chest plate, where would you perform CPR Because the part
Speaker 3: of the breastbone, you know, is two fingertips or three.
Speaker 1: Fingertips above that hypoid.
Speaker 3: Process as the end of the breastbone, and the breastbone's missing.
Speaker 1: And I wouldn't want to do it on him either,
Speaker 1: because what if you break it?
Speaker 3: Like have you ever done CPR in a patient?
Speaker 1: Yes, lots, but not like that, not those people. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I have actually broken a rib on a patient before.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, we usually break ribs. I can fill the
Speaker 1: crunch usually if you're doing it right. I hate to
Speaker 1: see that you'll fill a crunch, yep.
Speaker 3: But some people are brail and brittle and all the stuff,
Speaker 3: all the things that goes along with it. So with
Speaker 3: these people because their organs are so like misplaced and
Speaker 3: you know, shifted and all of that stuff. It's really
Speaker 3: important for them, especially these days, to have regular heart
Speaker 3: monitoring done, and sometimes the surgery is needed because of
Speaker 3: that aortic problem where you know, they order shift it
Speaker 3: as well, so it makes it easier. Oh, John Ason.
Speaker 3: The next one is the one that you were talking
Speaker 3: about before that says he's he was over seven to
Speaker 3: some people, exaggerated a little bit, said he was eight
Speaker 3: of nine.
Speaker 1: He's pretty big. This guy was that owcified man too.
Speaker 1: You talk to another one, but I just don't want
Speaker 1: to put that up there. But he's frozen like that.
Speaker 1: Let me go back to that guy. I have a
Speaker 1: bunch of pictures of him because he is really tall.
Speaker 3: Right he is. And it said that he had possible scoliosis,
Speaker 3: which you can't tell from this picture, and skeletal deformities
Speaker 3: in addition to also being a giant and having gigantism
Speaker 3: and so yeah, like that's a whole host of problems.
Speaker 1: Because must not be too bad because his shoulders look
Speaker 1: pretty even like I see a slight upper on the right.
Speaker 3: I mean not terrible, yeah, but this I mean think
Speaker 3: about like the compounded problems from having multiple different kinds
Speaker 3: of things and so like on our series on you know,
Speaker 3: Dwarfs and Giants, we talked about all the complications and
Speaker 3: the problems that come along with having gigantism in the
Speaker 3: first place, and then throw in the scoliosis and.
Speaker 1: The heart problem.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the heart problems and everything on top of that.
Speaker 1: Did he die early because he looks I mean they
Speaker 1: usually die early.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it says eighteen ninety to nineteen thirty eight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, not very old. That's how it goes, you know,
Speaker 1: the gigantism. I mean, even though people would rather sometimes
Speaker 1: have height, I'm just seeing always that they have more
Speaker 1: problems than the dwarfism, like they live longer. Yeah, one
Speaker 1: hundred percent.
Speaker 3: And I think I'm at a happy height for Yes,
Speaker 3: I'm not a dwarf, you're not. I am pretty short
Speaker 3: and fun size. But yeah, like we don't have anybody
Speaker 3: super tall in my family, and I'm very glad for
Speaker 3: that because they're all they all have their they all
Speaker 3: have their own problems, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: My dad, everybody on my dad's side, I do think
Speaker 1: they had a slight mar Fan syndrome. Actual they have
Speaker 1: very long arms. Fair I should have chucked in a photo.
Speaker 1: But they look like like the kid that looked more
Speaker 1: normal ish this kid right here, but without the scoliosis.
Speaker 1: And honestly, it makes sense with all of the hypermobility
Speaker 1: and everything. Like oftentimes I'm like, do I really have
Speaker 1: that or is it just a product of this right? Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, because I have scoliosis, I have all the things.
Speaker 1: I have long arms not quite like that, but and
Speaker 1: I am tall for a woman, but thank heavens, my
Speaker 1: grandpa married very shortly and then my mom, you know,
Speaker 1: is short. So I think selectively they bred it out,
Speaker 1: I mean on accident.
Speaker 3: Or happily they bright for the rest of you who
Speaker 3: came afterwards.
Speaker 1: Think Kevin's yeah, because I don't want that happening. Where
Speaker 1: would my titties go, exactly? Can you?
Speaker 3: And see? I wonder if if they have anybody that
Speaker 3: has this condition that has the pigeon chest, the chest
Speaker 3: that sticks out, if they have any females that have.
Speaker 1: It, would be rough.
Speaker 3: They don't get it because it's a connective tissue disorder.
Speaker 1: Right right, or like maybe it seems less for them,
Speaker 1: so maybe they're not diagnosed. Same with sunken chest. I
Speaker 1: think you wouldn't know as much. If you were a
Speaker 1: woman not to this level, clearly you would know, But
Speaker 1: like if it was moderate like this and you just
Speaker 1: had big boobies, like would you know, Like, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I would think, especially with somebody that has the flail
Speaker 3: chest or the or not flail chest, the sunken chest,
Speaker 3: if you had breast tissue and a lot of breast tissue,
Speaker 3: I can't imagine the weight since the breastbone seems to
Speaker 3: be missing, right.
Speaker 1: That's true, it would probably hurt bad. I think they're
Speaker 1: always in pain for this syndrome. I will say, like
Speaker 1: with connective tissue disorders in general, they're very painful. So
Speaker 1: ealers downlow sucks, like if that's really what's going on
Speaker 1: or whatever is happening, but you're just hurting all the
Speaker 1: time because you accidentally do things that shouldn't happen, right, sleeping.
Speaker 3: One hundred percent. So one of the things. They also
Speaker 3: build people as a half man or frog boy because
Speaker 3: of uh other spinal malformations that happens that that end
Speaker 3: up in severe limb contracts and so some of them
Speaker 3: their their legs do go out like frog legs or
Speaker 3: some people, uh like they're unable to bend their joints.
Speaker 3: The anovial fluid is missing from from their knee joints
Speaker 3: and stuff, and so they wind up in wheelchairs. So
Speaker 3: they wind up walking on their hands or kind of
Speaker 3: like the hop emotion like a frog because they can't
Speaker 3: move their joints.
Speaker 1: There's this one's this one's good to show like a
Speaker 1: very severe he was pretty famous, you know in that scene.
Speaker 1: But you can definitely see like his limbs. He back
Speaker 1: then you couldn't cut them off because you die of infection.
Speaker 1: But nowadays it's almost better off, you know, right.
Speaker 3: And this guy has he's in a whell chair and
Speaker 3: he has very skinny legs. His arms look look normal,
Speaker 3: but he has really bad contortion of his lower leg
Speaker 3: bone and his ankle bones.
Speaker 1: Was so really bad. And there's a few others. Let's see,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw this one. This guy
Speaker 1: was pretty famous as frog boy m. And then there
Speaker 1: is a couple look at this janet. Yeah, and this.
Speaker 3: I just want to say, kind of what my knee does.
Speaker 3: Sometimes it will ben backwards, but this this picture that, yeah,
Speaker 3: this boy's knee joints are backwards on his body, and
Speaker 3: so the kneecap is actually on the back of the knee,
Speaker 3: so he the legs are bent backwards.
Speaker 1: It looks like a chair.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And I can't imagine the amount of people that
Speaker 3: would get whiplash looking at him. And I would say
Speaker 3: they would probably and this is guessing, but I would
Speaker 3: say they would probably build that as like Chicken Boy
Speaker 3: or you know, like dinosaur boy, like that was the
Speaker 3: way that the knees or backwards.
Speaker 1: And this one was crazy. I was like whoa, And
Speaker 1: especially since it's like nowadays, I was like, what on earth?
Speaker 1: But these ones are are the more small like little appendages,
Speaker 1: but they still work, you know. But I do have one.
Speaker 1: This is the imperfecto one, right, This is this.
Speaker 3: Is a very interesting thing. It's called osteogenesis imperfected. It's
Speaker 3: also called brittle bone disease. They are uber easy to fracture,
Speaker 3: like at any given time doing anything at all because
Speaker 3: it is another genetic connective tissue disorder. The body doesn't
Speaker 3: make enough quality type one collagen, which is what you
Speaker 3: have to have for strong bones and stuff, and this
Speaker 3: leads to easy fractures with sometimes little or no trauma.
Speaker 3: She has a picture of a infant up on the
Speaker 3: screen right now, where the baby's right leg is just
Speaker 3: for you, and it's bent up and backwards, so it's
Speaker 3: like the knee is folded up over each other. This
Speaker 3: is another case like the older boy was, where the
Speaker 3: legs are are bent in the absolute opposite direction.
Speaker 1: It's wild to me. That is like that. My husband
Speaker 1: was out. He was like, I can't look at these pictures.
Speaker 1: You're maybe, He's like, I'm sorry, I get sick. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So, not only do they have the ability to fracture
Speaker 3: really easy because the bones are are very dried out
Speaker 3: and and ossified, but also they have curved or bowed bones.
Speaker 3: Sometimes they're very short in stature just because the bones
Speaker 3: don't fuse properly at the epitheesial plates during growth. And
Speaker 3: so this kid definitely has uh looks like both legs,
Speaker 3: but his legs actually are flexed all the way up.
Speaker 1: Oh oh yeah, like in pretzel guys like that.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, so something really highly interesting about this. And
Speaker 3: I've only seen a case of this once in my
Speaker 3: entire life. But they also the whites of their eyes
Speaker 3: are bluish in color, and I would say probably because
Speaker 3: they haven't had. You know, they don't have that connective
Speaker 3: tissue and the collagen to actually help to form the
Speaker 3: whites of the eyes, and so it appears discolored. They
Speaker 3: also have progressive hearing loss dental issues because your teeth
Speaker 3: are made up the same stuff, so the teeth are
Speaker 3: also brittle. They can break off at any given moment.
Speaker 3: That is a very weird.
Speaker 1: I know I hadn't. I didn't know where to put
Speaker 1: it because I was like, is this a frog boy
Speaker 1: or not? But I put it here to explain something
Speaker 1: because as we're going through these photos, right and we're
Speaker 1: seeing all these dressed people and whatnot. Look, there are
Speaker 1: questions that people have when you see half of a man,
Speaker 1: and I know you're getting close to half of a man.
Speaker 1: And that's why I put it here instead of where
Speaker 1: you're going to talk about this particular syndrome. Because some
Speaker 1: people got junk and some people don't. And I know
Speaker 1: that the first question in my mind is it where
Speaker 1: is their penis and stuff right like or their vagina?
Speaker 1: Do they have one? Because of medical reasons, not because
Speaker 1: I'm a pervert. If you don't, you can't go to
Speaker 1: the bathroom.
Speaker 3: We got problems, right, and that's that's when you know,
Speaker 3: if the child lives long enough. This is a baby
Speaker 3: that has no arms and no legs and it I
Speaker 3: can't even tell what that is.
Speaker 1: It does have a penis. And so.
Speaker 3: You know, anytime you have a problem like that where
Speaker 3: where your genito urinary organs are not formed properly or
Speaker 3: are incomplete, if the child lives long enough, this is
Speaker 3: when you would have to do like a colostomy for
Speaker 3: you know, waste products, and you know, possibly surgeries on
Speaker 3: on the bladder and kidneys as well to be able
Speaker 3: to let them go.
Speaker 1: To the bathroom. Yeah, because it depends on how serious
Speaker 1: it is. And and this is another frog boy, but
Speaker 1: he clearly has a genital area. And then I know
Speaker 1: you mentioned the half people. You know, I don't know
Speaker 1: if that's now or what's next on our list.
Speaker 3: So let's see already covered caiphosis and scoliosis.
Speaker 1: So frog boy, and then I didn't know if half
Speaker 1: Boy was with that, but okay, so let me just
Speaker 1: talk about this really quick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so one of the things that they couldn't decide
Speaker 3: or that is up for debate and the side shows
Speaker 3: because they're you know, they've got the hunchbacks. They've got
Speaker 3: camelback man, they got frog boy, they got all these things,
Speaker 3: and so some of it leaned a little bit toward
Speaker 3: the gothic grotesque type stuff. But they didn't know, especially
Speaker 3: with crooked men, which this baby would be a crooked
Speaker 3: man or a pretzel boy. They don't know if a
Speaker 3: lot of these performers were actually contortioist or were actually
Speaker 3: born with the deformity. So contortionists like train their whole
Speaker 3: life to be able to move their body. A lot
Speaker 3: of contortionists also have eilers dammost because the hyper flexibility,
Speaker 3: the hyper mobility and the joints and things like that.
Speaker 3: But a lot of times they were actually questionable right
Speaker 3: in the in the world because people didn't know if
Speaker 3: these people were actually born that way or if they
Speaker 3: trained their bodies to.
Speaker 1: Do to stay that way.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, let's talk about rickets.
Speaker 1: Okay, I have that next, right perfect.
Speaker 3: So rickets is an extremely interesting disease. It is because
Speaker 3: of the loss or lack of vitamin D, and you
Speaker 3: really need vitamin D in your body for all kinds
Speaker 3: of processing. You can't you can't process vitamin C for
Speaker 3: your bone and calcium and things like that either. So
Speaker 3: a lot of people with rickets had boat legs as well,
Speaker 3: also could have the pigeon chest like we talked about
Speaker 3: just a little while ago. Their bellies are extended a
Speaker 3: lot of times.
Speaker 1: And so.
Speaker 3: Again like so many different kinds of complications, because even if,
Speaker 3: even if you could get vitamin D right from the
Speaker 3: sun and things like that, a lot of people don't
Speaker 3: have the ability to process vitamin D. And so even
Speaker 3: if you take copium amounts of supplements or you're on
Speaker 3: vitamin D drips or anything like that, their body can
Speaker 3: absorb it and can't change it from active and inactive
Speaker 3: vitamin D to do the things that it needs to do.
Speaker 1: Yes, and this one he had it, and they caught
Speaker 1: it early enough. I mean, there are some things that
Speaker 1: are not going to change, like his cranial features. I mean,
Speaker 1: his head is just going to be quite larger. But
Speaker 1: as you can see, the bowing of his legs calmed
Speaker 1: down as he got the help he needed medically.
Speaker 3: Right, And it's a some people that had Rickittson. Of course,
Speaker 3: scurvy was a thing back in the day too, and
Speaker 3: that's of course from a lack of vitamin C. But
Speaker 3: the boy that we're looking at right now, he again
Speaker 3: has the really swollen stomach. It looks like his arms
Speaker 3: and his hands and his knees and his ankle bones
Speaker 3: are all like severely deformed from the lack of vitamin
Speaker 3: D process.
Speaker 1: So sad. And I mean they can, like like she said,
Speaker 1: some people can't absorb it no matter what. Some people
Speaker 1: can be helped and have this reversed. So it depends
Speaker 1: on this one. Probably not, this is extensive.
Speaker 3: But I would say too that you know, surgical intervention
Speaker 3: with bracing and things of that nature or kind of
Speaker 3: it kind of made me think of like Forrest Gump
Speaker 3: right where he had the braces on his legs, and
Speaker 3: that definitely they would have to do like some kind
Speaker 3: of reconstructive surgery, especially like on the ankle joints where
Speaker 3: they're not formed properly, because I don't know how you
Speaker 3: would walk without that.
Speaker 1: And so you know, I did say if they get
Speaker 1: if they get it during childhood, this can be even
Speaker 1: the deformities can be improved or cured. And I have
Speaker 1: a stupid story, this is the Mormon story that it's real.
Speaker 1: So Saint George, Utah is in the southernmost part of Utah,
Speaker 1: and there was a guy guy named George, and he
Speaker 1: was big up in the church. Actually, you know, he
Speaker 1: he ends up like his son ends up going on
Speaker 1: to be one of the prophets. But I think he
Speaker 1: might have been too. But anyways, they named Saint George
Speaker 1: Saint George because he found out that the Mormons were
Speaker 1: having a terrible time with rickets and as they would
Speaker 1: come into town, he would give them all a potato
Speaker 1: and it like helped them so much with scurvy and
Speaker 1: ricketts that he they literally named him Saint George, and
Speaker 1: so as the town is named.
Speaker 3: So that's very interesting.
Speaker 1: Mormon story.
Speaker 3: And I don't know, you know, I'm not sure, like
Speaker 3: back in the day, like because the son has always
Speaker 3: been around, right, what would what would cause them so
Speaker 3: many people because this was a very common thing. Then
Speaker 3: what would cause them so many people to have this problem?
Speaker 1: He said? They said during the westward journey, so many
Speaker 1: pioneers suffered from this because of lack of food. So
Speaker 1: the grateful settlers recognized this life saving impact of Saint
Speaker 1: George George Smith aka related to just a Smith, and
Speaker 1: so called the name of Saint George Utah.
Speaker 3: So because especially if they're like prairie travelers, right, You're
Speaker 3: out in the sun all of the time. And granted,
Speaker 3: you know, if they had a long trek or whatever,
Speaker 3: food would be missing, but you're still absorbing vitamin D
Speaker 3: and your son and your skin.
Speaker 1: I guess it wasn't enough because they were starving. But
Speaker 1: and you know, they shouldn't have left in the middle
Speaker 1: of winter. But not the best best time, No, not
Speaker 1: a good time to travel with the you know, wagon
Speaker 1: trains and you know all that stuff. And this kid's
Speaker 1: looks not as severe, Like I'm not saying it's not severe.
Speaker 1: Possibly might be able to be cured. Like like we said,
Speaker 1: it's all dependent on when it happens, how it happens.
Speaker 1: The deformity like this one is pretty severe as well.
Speaker 3: So yeah, and this is this is another one where
Speaker 3: I'm not too sure that there's not more than one
Speaker 3: condition going on here, because you have the abnormal from
Speaker 3: the knees down right, the knees are bent outward, the
Speaker 3: legs are bent outward, and so could this just be
Speaker 3: Ricketts possibly, But I would say this this guy also
Speaker 3: suffers from some kind of other connective tissue scouttal deformity
Speaker 3: type thing.
Speaker 1: So sad because they're all kids. But I mean, we
Speaker 1: have to talk about it, you know, sad situation.
Speaker 3: And I'm very thankful that a lot of these conditions
Speaker 3: are not as prevalent now, especially here because we have
Speaker 3: access to medical care and you know, food and clean water.
Speaker 3: But I'm wondering if other countries have more incidents of
Speaker 3: these kind of skeletal deformities because they don't have access
Speaker 3: to the food, water or medical care.
Speaker 1: Yes, yep, sad. So next, I have tell me what
Speaker 1: you have a recorder sized guy, that's what they call him,
Speaker 1: and he doesn't have a penis. I had to look
Speaker 1: it up. I'm sorry, I am maca, but I have
Speaker 1: to know these things I don't know well.
Speaker 3: And it's interesting that you said that because when we
Speaker 3: get to the conjoined twins talk about overpopulation in one family,
Speaker 3: I was like, holy, Holy mother.
Speaker 1: God, I'm surprised this guy made it into like adulthood, right,
Speaker 1: like when you're when you do back then, think of
Speaker 1: back then, Like what what was it I got? I've
Speaker 1: got to find out. I don't even know what, Like
Speaker 1: I don't even know if there's a hole. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Well, and that's that's the thing, because I mean, how
Speaker 3: would how would we know that? Because especially with just
Speaker 3: this picture. But this is the half boy. So his
Speaker 3: name was Johnny Eckhart Junior, and he was known as
Speaker 3: the half boy because it's lower body was missing. He
Speaker 3: was born with sacral a genesis and it's uh, it's
Speaker 3: as often grouped with other limb deformity acts. But he
Speaker 3: was a handwalking an acrobatic person because his legs were missing.
Speaker 3: And so yeah, that's an interesting thing. And this is
Speaker 3: another picture where they almost look like they're twins.
Speaker 1: That's what I wondered. I they have all these pictures
Speaker 1: of him with this brother. Clearly it's a brother, and
Speaker 1: I wondered if they were twins or not, and maybe
Speaker 1: something happened there.
Speaker 3: And so one of these, yeah, he he is the
Speaker 3: half man and his brother is normal and regular.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so.
Speaker 3: I want to go to arthrogriphosis multiplexic congenita. It's called
Speaker 3: AMC for short. It's a rare condition where baby is
Speaker 3: born with multiple joint contractors kind of like that. The
Speaker 3: infant that we saw where his legs were like bent
Speaker 3: up over his shoulders comes from stiffness and lack of
Speaker 3: movement in two or more joints. So common is the knees,
Speaker 3: not so much in the hands that you don't see
Speaker 3: that very often. But this baby also and the hip
Speaker 3: joints along with the knees as a thing, said.
Speaker 1: Why this one too wild?
Speaker 3: What It's not a single disease per se. It's more
Speaker 3: of a clinical finding. You think, like if I delivered
Speaker 3: a baby and saw a baby that was contorted like that,
Speaker 3: I'd be like, okay, yeah, no, this is more than
Speaker 3: a clinical finding.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, kidding there. I did find that that was
Speaker 1: a twin. They were twins. But he lived a long time,
Speaker 1: like seventy somethings, so he must have clearly been able
Speaker 1: to take care of business some other way.
Speaker 3: You go up there must have been like a you know,
Speaker 3: something going on down there. So this thing with the
Speaker 3: with the anthrogripoposis multiplex, it says it's congingital so it's
Speaker 3: present at birth joint contracts everywhere, and they said it
Speaker 3: can be caused from decreased fetal movement in the womb.
Speaker 3: I didn't have a problem with that because I think
Speaker 3: my daughter was a gymnast when she was an infant.
Speaker 3: It can result from nerve muscle, connective tissue, or maternal
Speaker 3: conditions that cause the lack of fetal movement, any kind
Speaker 3: of genetic syndromes, or it can be a neurological problem
Speaker 3: that prevents normal muscle movement, which again would also restrict
Speaker 3: the blood flow.
Speaker 1: And so which looks like it might have caused some
Speaker 1: deformation to the foot there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. Like not only is the right
Speaker 3: leg bent u up sideways, it's up to the abdomen,
Speaker 3: but the ankle bone is also malformed, and so the
Speaker 3: foot curves under the body, which is crazy. It looks
Speaker 3: like possibly that the right arm the wrist joint.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I see that.
Speaker 3: Uh huh, it's like the genitals are Yeah, something's going
Speaker 3: on here misshaped or malformed or maybe like that, or
Speaker 3: they gotta hell of infection going on in that place. Yeah, jerkes,
Speaker 3: so conjoined twins.
Speaker 1: I'll show these last couple of these women. They are
Speaker 1: also Yeah, I forgot about the late and actually the women,
Speaker 1: this woman like they did. Some of them did have
Speaker 1: business like she did. This lady had her proper genitals.
Speaker 1: I don't think this one did. But some of them
Speaker 1: have had babies, so.
Speaker 3: The picture that we were just looking at. She has
Speaker 3: no arms and no legs.
Speaker 1: M she's so pretty, you guys, like, if you're not
Speaker 1: seeing it. Not to say that all deformations cause physical
Speaker 1: like in your face, but it's just very sad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so is this next lady. She's pretty too, Like she
Speaker 1: has arms at least.
Speaker 3: And this one, the lady that we were just looking at,
Speaker 3: she has arms. She has a normal face, and it
Speaker 3: looks like her hers goes down below her pelvision.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she has which I mean, people can say it's
Speaker 1: not important all day long. Look, let's get real. First
Speaker 1: of all, it's super important. Second of all, like to
Speaker 1: live your whole life and not have a regular sexual life.
Speaker 1: Not saying they didn't have sex, I'm just saying the
Speaker 1: typical sexual life. I'm sure they did what they needed
Speaker 1: to do, but you know it would be emotionally taxing,
Speaker 1: and let alone the infections. I can't imagine at this
Speaker 1: time how that guy how he lived. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: like look and see if they had a stoma placement,
Speaker 1: because I can't imagine how he lived all those years
Speaker 1: till seventy something, and it has nothing about how he eliminated.
Speaker 3: So the lady that we're looking at now, it looks
Speaker 3: like she's missing all of her fingers on both arms
Speaker 3: her and they're very short. They're like the length of
Speaker 3: the upper arm and that's it. And then it looks
Speaker 3: like maybe one finger on each arm.
Speaker 1: She has.
Speaker 3: One foot that's attached to her pelvic air without the
Speaker 3: leg bones, and the other one looks kind of like
Speaker 3: a flipper.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so some of these are wild. The way they
Speaker 1: hit like it is just whoa, you know. And then
Speaker 1: this is the last two I have on that before
Speaker 1: we run to the conjoined twins. This lady was so pretty.
Speaker 1: She didn't have any arms, but she did have legs,
Speaker 1: and she had all her businesses and she could do
Speaker 1: things with her feet, which I thought was bad ass.
Speaker 3: And I've seen that where there's some people that can
Speaker 3: like paint or do music or whatever just by using
Speaker 3: their feet.
Speaker 1: Yep, and that's crazy, I mean, and hers, I mean,
Speaker 1: her arms are like they're non existent, like there's not
Speaker 1: even there was nothing for Yeah, and so that is
Speaker 1: a it's a wild thing to see for sure, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just sad. So I got to mention this.
Speaker 3: So people are probably going to be like that is
Speaker 3: off color and awful. But going to the person that
Speaker 3: has no arms and no legs, you would literally have
Speaker 3: to pick them up and put them where you wanted
Speaker 3: them to be. Yep, I cannot imagine like just somebody
Speaker 3: picking me up and carrying me and setting me down
Speaker 3: like on the counter or whatever.
Speaker 1: Like not being able back then, like either to have
Speaker 1: any kind of like nowadays, maybe they'd have a wheelchair
Speaker 1: where you could blow in it or something, but like
Speaker 1: back then, they didn't have any of that. There was nothing,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't imagine that.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: So now we're going to move on to conjoin twins.
Speaker 3: And conjoin the twins share parts of their body due
Speaker 3: to incomplete cell division during the process. They're wonders of
Speaker 3: the world right. They're considered medical marbles or human marbles.
Speaker 3: The most famous are these two gentlemen, Chang and Aang Bunker.
Speaker 3: I heard about these guys when I was little. And
Speaker 3: why is that, I don't know because they died way
Speaker 3: before I was ever born, because they died in eighteen
Speaker 3: seventy four. But I thought that was the coolest thing
Speaker 3: when I was growing up. I'm like, what, really, they're
Speaker 3: like connected together and like I'd never heard of that,
Speaker 3: so couldn't. Joined twins are also quote unquote Siamese twins,
Speaker 3: if you've heard it in that way. But Chang and
Speaker 3: Aang were actually conjoined at the sternum, and they shared
Speaker 3: a liver.
Speaker 1: And I was separating it. Maybe nowadays they would split
Speaker 1: the liver.
Speaker 3: And so these are the ones that I was like, whoa.
Speaker 3: So they got really wealthy because of course they toured
Speaker 3: and and they were uber famous. Like I said, I
Speaker 3: heard of them when I was little, and I don't
Speaker 3: know why they married sisters and then they fathered twenty
Speaker 3: one children in between. Oh okay, now on a on
Speaker 3: a note, okay, so they're can joined at the sternum.
Speaker 3: They share a liver, but they both have separate man parts,
Speaker 3: separate legs.
Speaker 1: How in the world have a kink? Janet gotta have
Speaker 1: a kink? Them sisters got how how in.
Speaker 3: The world were they looking up with their wife gro
Speaker 3: creating while they're still attached to.
Speaker 1: They're sure, I'm sure that, like I hear a hole
Speaker 1: there for you, right.
Speaker 3: Because look at them in this picture, right, they're they're
Speaker 3: kind they almost face toward each other.
Speaker 1: So the one, for sure, this other guy he has
Speaker 1: a little bit more.
Speaker 3: This is going to be inappropriate and TMO where this
Speaker 3: looks like one would be on the bottom, she would
Speaker 3: be in the middle, and then the other one would
Speaker 3: sandwich her on the top because the way they're joined, And.
Speaker 1: I don't even want to discuss what kind of sandwich
Speaker 1: they made because also they have the same exact DNA,
Speaker 1: so no one would know whose kid it was anyways,
Speaker 1: exactly y'all know.
Speaker 3: And that's why like exact, because these two were are
Speaker 3: they're like facing each other, and so I'm trying to
Speaker 3: wrap my mind around going twenty one children between the
Speaker 3: two of them, and good time.
Speaker 1: It was a good time, sure remotely and they literally
Speaker 1: So for people that don't know this, I just assume
Speaker 1: most people do. But when you have twins like this,
Speaker 1: because that the cell is dividing, when you have an
Speaker 1: identical twin, it's not like two eggs drop and then
Speaker 1: the babies are made with two separates Ferm, That's not
Speaker 1: what happens here. This is a fusion problem. So when
Speaker 1: it's dividing and separating, it didn't do it correctly. So
Speaker 1: these people any identical twins by or triplets or I
Speaker 1: don't care what as long as they're identical, their DNA
Speaker 1: is exactly the same. So if one commits a murder,
Speaker 1: the others got to be worried.
Speaker 3: They're going to come and get both of them.
Speaker 1: Ah, and even if he wanted a DNA test. I mean, so,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying these wives they were they were probably
Speaker 1: into some kinks.
Speaker 3: I mean, oh, well, and two brothers, and they buried
Speaker 3: two sisters and had twenty one kids. I'm just saying
Speaker 3: what kind of.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 3: And they all obviously they all had to live together.
Speaker 1: Oh, and they had to be well, what is he
Speaker 1: going to do? Put on a fucking blindfold? Like, no, No,
Speaker 1: they're they're into it, you I mean, and I don't blambers.
Speaker 1: Here's too. Yeah, more power to you guys that you
Speaker 1: got it done. And and obviously we're urall produced a lot.
Speaker 3: They had their own army.
Speaker 1: Yep, they did.
Speaker 3: This one would be awful.
Speaker 1: Yep. How do you go? Pooh, I'm just curious.
Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing. It made me think of if
Speaker 3: anybody's ever seen a human centipede, but they're like joined
Speaker 3: at the buttalks.
Speaker 1: And I put this in here because I think it's
Speaker 1: similar to those girls and this is more graphic and
Speaker 1: shows you know.
Speaker 3: So this picture is too conjoined infants. They're joined at
Speaker 3: the hip bone and at the butt.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: They have normal upper bodies, but they share a butt
Speaker 3: and obviously gonna share rectum. And it looks like their
Speaker 3: pelvic bone is partially shared as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought it was similar to those girls maybe
Speaker 1: how they looked with the butt part not not downward.
Speaker 1: But I tried to put things in here that would
Speaker 1: kind of help us along, like to explain this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: mm hmmm. And they're I mean, they're super cute girls.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm, so hard.
Speaker 1: I don't know. So is this the it's the girls?
Speaker 1: I think it's next on your okay, the women.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is another uh, this is an African
Speaker 3: American Uh, twin girls and and again I don't I
Speaker 3: can't tell from this if it is their butt or
Speaker 3: kind of their side right, and maybe both where they're joined,
Speaker 3: but they're instead of being like Chang and Nang bunker,
Speaker 3: these two are facing outward. So at least if they
Speaker 3: were going to do something, because they have normal legs,
Speaker 3: normal arms, number, normal upper body, it's just looks like
Speaker 3: their butt, their hips and maybe part of their spine
Speaker 3: or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't tell on that one because they were
Speaker 1: careful to make sure they covered these guys up. But yeah, sad, but.
Speaker 3: At least they're outward facing and.
Speaker 1: So yeah, they can have some Privacyg's Louise. Their names
Speaker 1: are Millie and Christine McCoy. That's these ladies' names. So
Speaker 1: if anybody else, this is.
Speaker 3: The one that they build these two as the two
Speaker 3: headed nightingale. I don't know why, other than they're very pretty.
Speaker 3: They're like Victorian where, just like most of the pictures
Speaker 3: that we've seen. But I don't I don't really know
Speaker 3: why they called them the nightingale.
Speaker 1: I don't know. They just it does show. That's what
Speaker 1: they call them. That's just what. I don't know why
Speaker 1: they call them that. And they died up tuberculosis, and
Speaker 1: then of course the other one died right after twelve
Speaker 1: hours later, so must have been circulatory systems must have
Speaker 1: been shared there. This one I threw in there just
Speaker 1: because we were talking about the girls. It's not the
Speaker 1: next slide I have for you, but this one was
Speaker 1: like kind of like changin ing and it was wild,
Speaker 1: like it showed their bellies. I thought I'm gonna throw
Speaker 1: that in there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this one is two like toddler girls. I'm assuming
Speaker 3: they're both girls. They look like girls, yes, And it
Speaker 3: looks kind of like Chang and Nang's where they are
Speaker 3: actually joined like at the stomach and they're super close
Speaker 3: face in each other.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be so annoying. Oh my gosh, that
Speaker 1: would drive me crazy.
Speaker 3: That was another Victorian attached at the butt thing.
Speaker 1: There's another one of those ladies. And then here's another
Speaker 1: one of them as they got older, And then this
Speaker 1: one was kind of famousy she had a baby, and
Speaker 1: I thought this was hysterical because I guess inquiring minds
Speaker 1: like mine want to know. I didn't look this one
Speaker 1: up because I can clearly see they have their own pelvisies.
Speaker 1: But somebody else did and they were like, they only
Speaker 1: ever had sex once. This is on their medical documents.
Speaker 1: And then she clearly had a baby and they were
Speaker 1: both able to reach orgasm. I was like, oh, how
Speaker 1: nice of you to put that in. What the hell well?
Speaker 3: And that would make sense especially if they're sharing like
Speaker 3: partially the pelvic region or whatever.
Speaker 1: And they never told who who the dad was. They
Speaker 1: were like, nah, bro, so.
Speaker 3: Did they ever tell which one of them gave birth.
Speaker 1: It was this one. She she's the one. They have
Speaker 1: separate businesses, but yeah, but they both. I mean, it
Speaker 1: was a one man show.
Speaker 3: I can't imagine, especially for conjoint meents, like how it's rough,
Speaker 3: or who you would go to to make your clothes,
Speaker 3: because back in the day, like a lot of moms
Speaker 3: would sew they're in clothes, or they'd go down to
Speaker 3: the merchant deal right and buy something. But how do
Speaker 3: you go down there and be like, yeah, I need
Speaker 3: it because they're jos And how do you measure for that?
Speaker 1: I'm not I don't know. I don't even know, but
Speaker 1: I mean you would really just I guess since they've
Speaker 1: been together their whole lives. I mean, I guess you
Speaker 1: would just be used to things. I would think, I mean,
Speaker 1: you would either love them or hate them, right like
Speaker 1: and then hopefully it looks like maybe they've got two
Speaker 1: dresses and like sewdom together. I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 3: It seems like I don't know, and it's it. It
Speaker 3: would be awful if you like despise the person that
Speaker 3: was attached to you.
Speaker 1: Nipes and their son grew up and he's totally normal
Speaker 1: and he's super handsome. Ps I should have thrown that
Speaker 1: picture in there, but he's totally totally normal. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: one is I think next on your list.
Speaker 3: This is uh Giovanni. Yes, how the tasted says Italian twins.
Speaker 3: They shared a body below the waist, but they had
Speaker 3: two torsos and heads so they okay, so it looks
Speaker 3: like their arms are joined.
Speaker 1: It looks odd.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and uh, they only have they definitely are them
Speaker 3: and so they only have one set of legs and
Speaker 3: it looks like they share genitalia and.
Speaker 1: One big chest, like a heart shaped chest, and one
Speaker 1: you know, two arms and just and then they each
Speaker 1: have two arms, but the ones are toward the.
Speaker 3: Back, which is Yeah, it looks like it looks like
Speaker 3: they possibly could be the second pair could be fused.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, yeah, I'm not sure if it's
Speaker 1: fused or if that's how they always held them, maybe
Speaker 1: so they wouldn't hang.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: This would be rough. These guys hated being famous.
Speaker 3: Oh I sure, I can't and I can't imagine this because,
Speaker 3: like heights said, from their genitial area up to their head,
Speaker 3: it does look like a giant heart and the way
Speaker 3: that they're joined, so not only joined the stomach, but
Speaker 3: their chester fused together and stuff as well. So I
Speaker 3: can't imagine what the insides would look like. And and
Speaker 3: do they both have a heart? Do they share one heart?
Speaker 1: Are things.
Speaker 3: On opposite sides? Like where are the organs? That would
Speaker 3: be my question?
Speaker 1: And who gets to own it for the day, Like
Speaker 1: if he likes a girl today and he likes the
Speaker 1: girl tomorrow, they would have to literally make it agreement
Speaker 1: upon the organ, which is rough. Yeah, that would be
Speaker 1: awkward to have to discuss your sexual like at least chaining.
Speaker 1: And those guys had their own business, you know, like
Speaker 1: it's a little better. They did retire in their early
Speaker 1: twenties and like disappeared. They made a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: money and then that was all. And Mark Twain even
Speaker 1: mentioned these guys they were super famous.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I felt I feel bad for them. I think
Speaker 3: this is probably the worst one I've seen so far
Speaker 3: as far as twins go.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get even more interesting when we get to
Speaker 1: the other sets of twins that are coming up next
Speaker 1: on your list. But I think, let me see which
Speaker 1: ones else I have of just the regular Yep, that's it,
Speaker 1: except this one. This is much like the Tochi twins.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this one, this one would be awful as well,
Speaker 3: because it's like one chest cavity. So there's there's two nipples.
Speaker 3: There's two arms, but there's two heads that are growing
Speaker 3: literally out of the shoulder blades and one weird arm,
Speaker 3: very deformed extra hand.
Speaker 1: It's like two hands fused together.
Speaker 3: This kind of goes along with the next kind of
Speaker 3: twins too. I've got that creeps.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. All right, so let's see. I know
Speaker 1: you had some on Radica, so I've got some pictures
Speaker 1: for them. They're actually soup. I mean, they're all super cute,
Speaker 1: but yeah, this is them when they get a little
Speaker 1: bit older. So and Duda Duty, for sure, I would
Speaker 1: go buy Ika or anything else. Don't call me duty. Yikes.
Speaker 3: So it the I didn't have much information on them
Speaker 3: other than that they were conjoined and they were from India,
Speaker 3: so they were exhibited all over Europe and America. But
Speaker 3: I've honestly never.
Speaker 1: Heard of them. No, I haven't heard of them either.
Speaker 3: They're attached to the stomach as well.
Speaker 1: Some great photo. I mean, at least we can see
Speaker 1: exactly like changin Ing. I don't think they were pretty private.
Speaker 1: I don't think they liked to show, but this one
Speaker 1: they did, so that was kind of cool. But I mean,
Speaker 1: I wonder nowadays if they could have separated these two.
Speaker 1: It almost looks like they could have, but depending on
Speaker 1: the heart structure, so I don't know.
Speaker 3: So these two are joined at the stomach, but they
Speaker 3: the rest of them is normal. They have you know,
Speaker 3: they both have their their arms and their legs, they
Speaker 3: have their heads and stuff. It just looks like they're
Speaker 3: joined at the stomach, like below the breast line.
Speaker 1: They were sold, which is sad. They were sold to
Speaker 1: the circus.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it does not surprise me in the least.
Speaker 3: But and I imagine like and I can't remember. I
Speaker 3: think it was the Dwarf episode I think where there
Speaker 3: was somebody sold to the circus at like five years old.
Speaker 1: Wow, their mom at least looks like she went with them.
Speaker 1: And again these guys died of tuberculosis. Weird, a lot
Speaker 1: of TV going on up in there, living in close quarters.
Speaker 1: I guess.
Speaker 4: Right here we go, Wow, this is the worst, Like,
Speaker 4: I can't these these are rather have Okay, one that
Speaker 4: talks and is all up in your ship or this ship.
Speaker 3: I think I would rather have a could join twin.
Speaker 3: So the pictures that we're gonna get into now they
Speaker 3: might upset some people. These are called right, these are
Speaker 3: called parasitic twins. And these are different fricking joined twins,
Speaker 3: because this is when one twin is incompletely absorbed into another,
Speaker 3: leaving extra body arts on the twin that survived.
Speaker 1: And so this must be Laluyah.
Speaker 3: And he was looks like he was from India, but
Speaker 3: he had a parasitic twin attached to his chest with
Speaker 3: fully formed arms and legs but no head. He was
Speaker 3: a super famous Barnum attraction because of.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it comes insane.
Speaker 3: And I'm going to tell you from my view what
Speaker 3: this looks like for people who are not watching this.
Speaker 3: But it looks like, okay, the the regular man is standing,
Speaker 3: and it looks like somebody jumped through his body and
Speaker 3: bent over put it his face down toward his junk, right,
Speaker 3: And so you've got the butt facing up toward the head.
Speaker 3: You've got are those legs or arms?
Speaker 1: There's legs and arms, So the arms are first or
Speaker 1: the legs are first.
Speaker 3: Yes, the arms are coming out of this person's stomach
Speaker 3: as well, and it looks like they're trying to grab
Speaker 3: the butt. And then the legs are wrapped around the
Speaker 3: person's hips, so it literally looks like somebody jumped through
Speaker 3: this person.
Speaker 1: Like this one shows this is him as well, when
Speaker 1: he's younger. So this is like a better because then
Speaker 1: the legs were it was different. So I think the
Speaker 1: legs are hanging down in the arms are first. Yeah, goodness,
Speaker 1: poor baby, I can't these are all him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't, thank you guys.
Speaker 1: The twin grows as he grows, like, look at the
Speaker 1: leg of the thing attached to him. They get bigger
Speaker 1: as he gets bigger. Look that is bananas to me.
Speaker 3: I've never in all of my years actually seen anybody
Speaker 3: with us.
Speaker 1: No I'm not either, But guess what it happens kind
Speaker 1: of Oh she should have been another one. It happens
Speaker 1: kind of a lot. Check this out.
Speaker 3: So this is Franklin Tini. He was pretty famous. He
Speaker 3: was the three legged man. He was born with the
Speaker 3: third leg from a partially formed twin.
Speaker 1: Fourth league.
Speaker 3: Toes, Yeah, it does look like a fourth leg, it
Speaker 3: says extra toes. I think that might be so is
Speaker 3: that what's hanging out of the knee.
Speaker 1: I think they're toes. I don't know. It's so weird.
Speaker 1: It's so weird.
Speaker 3: I kind of like this guy's sense of humor though,
Speaker 3: because every time they would interview this guy, he always
Speaker 3: joked and liked to say that he always has a spare.
Speaker 1: Oh, I wonder if he had any other parts we
Speaker 1: can't see, like a hand or you know, like any
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: This is weird. So he's got his normal legs right,
Speaker 3: and then out of his right hip is a whole
Speaker 3: nother leg that's shorter, and so like he's standing posing
Speaker 3: for a picture. They had to put a box next
Speaker 3: to him so that he could bend his knee and
Speaker 3: put that other shorter leg up on the box.
Speaker 1: Weird, It's it's just crazy to me that like the
Speaker 1: division of human beings can actually go so awry. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: It's wild. And he lived till he was seventy seven,
Speaker 1: by the way, so he stayed. He stayed with it. Man,
Speaker 1: this one's worse.
Speaker 3: Oh, this one, this one would be terrible.
Speaker 1: That's worse.
Speaker 3: So is this Jeane.
Speaker 1: Let me look, I gotta make sure. But she's the
Speaker 1: four legged woman. I can't imagine, Like I also, I know,
Speaker 1: I'm morbid, engrossed.
Speaker 3: Ye that is It's She's a French performer with parasitic
Speaker 3: twins legs attached to the pelvis, so she has her
Speaker 3: regular two legs and then it looks like coming out
Speaker 3: of her hooter monkey business, she has a second pair
Speaker 3: of legs that are shorter, that are in between her
Speaker 3: normal legs.
Speaker 1: It's so strange, and I'm just like, okay, I have questions. Right,
Speaker 1: this would be this concouters.
Speaker 3: This would be an interesting Halloween costume.
Speaker 1: We're going to Hell.
Speaker 3: And I say that it looks like a shorter person
Speaker 3: was swallowed up.
Speaker 1: With no head. Yeah. Yeah, it's so crazy. And I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I want to know exactly what else, Like what does
Speaker 1: she have? It looks like to me she could possibly
Speaker 1: have two you know what I'm saying, like two businesses.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. And the oh she did,
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I found it. In addition to her
Speaker 1: duplicate pelvises and legs, she also had two separate fully
Speaker 1: bank functional but Jayj's holy shit, she could be pregnant
Speaker 1: twice at the same time that emversize the uber and.
Speaker 3: Whoa I feel And the spread between her normal legs
Speaker 3: is wide. And that's why I said this is it
Speaker 3: literally looked like something that sucked up in between because
Speaker 3: those other legs are just like shorter and dangling.
Speaker 1: And she had one baby from one uterus and three
Speaker 1: babies to the other uterus, and then I think one
Speaker 1: didn't make it so and she married her doctor way
Speaker 1: to go talk interesting double vaginas, and he was like,
Speaker 1: I'm into it.
Speaker 3: It's never in the hours of fun.
Speaker 1: She's not in the mood in one. Maybe the other
Speaker 1: one wants to who knows?
Speaker 3: We are so inappropriate.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you guys, look, tell me you don't have
Speaker 1: the same question.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, though, that the things that we
Speaker 3: think about from the nursing standpoint or whatever it leaves
Speaker 3: it does well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm like, that's kind of badass. But also,
Speaker 1: she has two periods. Can you imagine?
Speaker 3: Oh god, no, lord pass, I will pass on four
Speaker 3: legs if that's what that means.
Speaker 1: But you know that doctor was like, so you don't
Speaker 1: say you get too huh. Oh, my gosh, found her husband.
Speaker 1: She did found her husband.
Speaker 3: She I wonder what the age difference was between.
Speaker 1: Let's see, I'm gonna look it up because it just
Speaker 1: says doctor so and so says, let's see married doctor
Speaker 1: James Clinton Bicknell at age nineteen and so. It doesn't
Speaker 1: say how old he was, but if he was a doc,
Speaker 1: let's be real eight years at least, don't yea. So
Speaker 1: that's wild to me. But I just think that the
Speaker 1: full horror, the sheer horror of knowing you could be
Speaker 1: like four months pregnant and like two months pregnant in
Speaker 1: your uteruses and also women sometimes have two uteruses and
Speaker 1: this can happen like without this whole twin business. But
Speaker 1: it's bananas to me to be like, you could be
Speaker 1: pregnant and have your period at the same time. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: m m oh, what is enough? Probable?
Speaker 3: One and done?
Speaker 1: I will pass on the tail. No things, uh uh.
Speaker 1: I think that's in in your notes next, I hope,
Speaker 1: so tell me. If not, No, what.
Speaker 3: I have next is these are other ways I still have.
Speaker 3: Sorry inside shows.
Speaker 1: Okay, I do have to show this. Okay, this is
Speaker 1: the photo. Listen to me, people, You're not gonna like
Speaker 1: this if you get queasy or whatever. Easy, so just
Speaker 1: listen up because these are still the conjoined twins and
Speaker 1: and it it's weird. So these are the couple extras
Speaker 1: that I have. This is a non functional basically head
Speaker 1: stuck to this kid, okay, with one arm, with one arm,
Speaker 1: and it's not from.
Speaker 3: Part of a shoulder coming out coming out the other
Speaker 3: infant's side.
Speaker 1: And then this is the one that I knew my
Speaker 1: f people up a little. So this is kind of
Speaker 1: like the guy we saw right the other guy with
Speaker 1: the legs attached to him. But also this baby had
Speaker 1: external bowels and so bananas.
Speaker 3: Organs outside of the body and so on this on
Speaker 3: this baby, they've got upper limb. It says parasite, so
Speaker 3: they have an extra limb that grew like out of
Speaker 3: the chest and is wrapping around the shoulder of the
Speaker 3: baby they have. It's called lower limb and upper limb parasite.
Speaker 3: So same thing, same thing where the hip the leg
Speaker 3: ankle is growing out of the chest or stomach region
Speaker 3: wrapping around the baby's side. There's external genitalia, so there's
Speaker 3: a penis growing out of the stomach area as well.
Speaker 3: The umbilical cord is exposed, the bowel is exposed completely,
Speaker 3: and then there's another external genitalia, which I'm just gonna
Speaker 3: say for a baby, that one looks.
Speaker 1: He's got a big and also he has two so
Speaker 1: that's fascinating, but also really screwed up that his bowels
Speaker 1: are like and you can be born like that. In general,
Speaker 1: this one they're missing something.
Speaker 3: So this one is crazy.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 3: I'm going to explain this the best way I can.
Speaker 3: This is going to be graphic. However, follow me here
Speaker 3: if you have ever seen a two headed dil do right.
Speaker 3: The babies are look like they're scissoring each other. So
Speaker 3: there's a head and arms at both ends, and then
Speaker 3: it looks like there is another set of twins growing
Speaker 3: out of the middle.
Speaker 1: Of this, which is their legs, and they're couterer.
Speaker 3: Dildo and there's on legs on both sides of their
Speaker 3: abdomen and.
Speaker 1: No butt clearly because they've got a stomach, no bananas.
Speaker 1: I think this one might have a butt because it
Speaker 1: has a crotch.
Speaker 3: But this one they have an awesome to ma bag
Speaker 3: there and so.
Speaker 1: But this one might have a bum and this one
Speaker 1: might have a not So this.
Speaker 3: Looks like it was a set of four.
Speaker 1: That something shit got weird.
Speaker 3: Drastically went wrong.
Speaker 1: So these are his legs, and are her legs, and
Speaker 1: these are her legs. But the crotch is like sideways
Speaker 1: because it didn't have anywhere to go. And then there
Speaker 1: is no crotch or but on this side. So bananas.
Speaker 1: And I put that in there because I know you're
Speaker 1: going to that one girl and.
Speaker 3: That baby actually looked like some kind of like spider,
Speaker 3: like a spider.
Speaker 1: Yes. And in India, if you have babies, which we're
Speaker 1: going to get to because I got that picture of
Speaker 1: that girl, if you have a baby like this, they
Speaker 1: love it because of that goddess they worship with all
Speaker 1: the legs, which is bananas.
Speaker 3: This one, this one is very, very.
Speaker 1: So disturbing. Yeah, this one.
Speaker 3: Has a head up top, has shoulders and arms, but
Speaker 3: there's another set of arms also coming out of the shoulders.
Speaker 3: And then there are two different bodies coming out of
Speaker 3: the chest or stomach to the sides. They're both boys.
Speaker 3: What is the thing hanging down in the middle.
Speaker 1: I think it's maybe their belly button and bow. I
Speaker 1: think it's a little bit. I don't even I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe if that's a piece of bowl that didn't make
Speaker 1: it or the belly. It's got a clamp on it,
Speaker 1: so I'm guessing belly button.
Speaker 3: Very very strange. But yeah, this is like a baby
Speaker 3: with four sets of arms and our four arms and
Speaker 3: two different sets of legs.
Speaker 1: It's bananas. It's just almost yeah, it's almost unreal. WHOA,
Speaker 1: I guess my computer to do something crazy. There we go.
Speaker 1: You guys don't need another news for the day. Hello.
Speaker 1: And then this one is really revered and that's because
Speaker 1: Durga representing power and protection, and Collie are both shown
Speaker 1: with extra limbs and so in India it's like a
Speaker 1: big deal that she was born.
Speaker 3: So mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's got an arm, one leg too late, I
Speaker 1: don't know anx an extra leg and one extra arm.
Speaker 3: So it looks like her body is uber contorted because
Speaker 3: she's got her two normal arms. And then it looks
Speaker 3: like another set of legs coming out of her side,
Speaker 3: out of her right side, and then she has another
Speaker 3: leg on the left.
Speaker 1: And then.
Speaker 3: It looks like a hand possibly that's locked fingers, and
Speaker 3: I don't know what that other part is.
Speaker 1: It's like a part of a spine sort of. But
Speaker 1: I guess this is born to an Indian woman in
Speaker 1: twenty two thousand and five, and I got another picture
Speaker 1: where it does definitely show she has two sets of legs,
Speaker 1: so or I don't know, it says yeah, but I
Speaker 1: guess they finally fixed her eventually, and it took thirty dogs.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say that would take a long, long,
Speaker 3: long time and lots of surgeries to be able to
Speaker 3: correct all the deformed Her ankle bones again are very deformed,
Speaker 3: and so the foot curves like inward upward the limb difference,
Speaker 3: they're shorter, one shorter than the other one, and then
Speaker 3: it looks like an arm with claws at the end.
Speaker 3: So that's next to the set of legs.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just I mean, at least they
Speaker 1: were able to separate, because I mean, there's blood supplies
Speaker 1: on this particular girl, just to give an example, going
Speaker 1: to this parasitic body from her aorda. So we're not
Speaker 1: talking about a small vein here, right, We're talking about
Speaker 1: serious business like your aorda. I mean yeah, so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would think they would be very dangerous, very
Speaker 3: very rescue risky, risky surgeries to perform because of that.
Speaker 1: Her hips. Now, I should have included a picture afterward
Speaker 1: but her hips are really really weird. Now she does
Speaker 1: look normal, but her hips spread is like twice that
Speaker 1: of a normal human because of look at where her
Speaker 1: legs are and then that whole girlth in between, so
Speaker 1: she looks like a little child and then has these
Speaker 1: huge chips. So but better than that, better than that business. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll take it.
Speaker 3: She's a cute little girl too, I know.
Speaker 1: Luckily they were able to fix it up, and it
Speaker 1: looks like she was pretty young by the time they did.
Speaker 1: She only looks about five years old or so, so
Speaker 1: that's good, Thank heavens.
Speaker 3: Woh, that one foot looks bloody, I know.
Speaker 1: And there's something going on here, so I don't know
Speaker 1: what's happening there, but maybe she's at the doctors. I
Speaker 1: don't know what you got next on the list there?
Speaker 3: And all I have polyph Okay, somebody with two heads. Okay,
Speaker 3: so this is very rare in humans, but it's more
Speaker 3: commonly seen in animals, and so animals were actually added
Speaker 3: to the side show because of the polycephaly.
Speaker 1: This is the closest I got that.
Speaker 3: Well, that one does have two heads, but yeah, it's
Speaker 3: not the same. So the next thing I have is
Speaker 3: ectopia or skeletal fusion. So some acts had fuse lower
Speaker 3: bodies or shared pelvic structures, often presented as mermaids or
Speaker 3: fish children.
Speaker 1: So that was this one. Yep, yeah, which is sad, hope.
Speaker 1: Most of them had arms that this poor baby.
Speaker 3: So the next thing we talked about or is polymeilia,
Speaker 3: and we actually covered this I think it was on
Speaker 3: the first one extra her arms or legs often underdeveloped,
Speaker 3: seen in a handful of humans.
Speaker 1: And then.
Speaker 3: Cyroh and omelia. That was the mermaid syndrome, so we
Speaker 3: covered that on episode one, where the legs are fused
Speaker 3: together at birth and it looks like a tail and.
Speaker 1: The human pretzel thing. I didn't know where to put
Speaker 1: this picture, so I'm just gonna show you, guys, but
Speaker 1: this one is a severe case of this is how
Speaker 1: he's stuck. His head doesn't come up. He's a He
Speaker 1: actually does inspirational speaking and so that's nice and good too,
Speaker 1: but like good for.
Speaker 3: Him because I can't imagine having this condition. So this
Speaker 3: is a guy looks like he's nailing on the ground,
Speaker 3: as you know, legs are behind him like normal, his
Speaker 3: arms are contracted up to his chest, and his head
Speaker 3: is literally hyper extended backwards and it is on his back, yes,
Speaker 3: so his neck is over.
Speaker 1: It's almost scary. Yeah, it's a little bit scary, you
Speaker 1: know when you I mean, if you just saw it,
Speaker 1: you would be afraid, you know.
Speaker 3: So because this is not I've never seen anybody with
Speaker 3: us either.
Speaker 1: M m. I put it in there because it was
Speaker 1: with a skeletal disorder. But I didn't know what to
Speaker 1: do with that one.
Speaker 3: So so the next thing I have is macrodactyle, and
Speaker 3: it's a rare congenital condition characterized by abnormal overgrowth of
Speaker 3: one or more fingers or toes. It involves all the tissues,
Speaker 3: including the bone, the fat that nerves the skin, and
Speaker 3: it says it is rare and sporadic, which means it
Speaker 3: literally just happens, they don't know why. Not typically associated
Speaker 3: with any kind of illness or anything like that, but
Speaker 3: can affect hand or foot function if untreated.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I didn't get a picture of that one.
Speaker 1: That one's crazy.
Speaker 3: So that is very interesting.
Speaker 1: Pin pins, if you got those. That's the last of
Speaker 1: the photos I have, is the pinned heads. I think
Speaker 1: you are towards the end. Mhmm. I don't know. You're like,
Speaker 1: where they went.
Speaker 3: There's so much, there's so many.
Speaker 1: This one was really big.
Speaker 3: Yes, Okay, well I can't find it at the moment.
Speaker 1: So do you want to talk about this? The Pinheads?
Speaker 1: I mean, people people know this is you know, kind
Speaker 1: of been a big, a big thing, I guess in
Speaker 1: American horror story and whatnot. You know, lately they they've
Speaker 1: kind of gone off on the pinhead people. They usually
Speaker 1: do have a lower IQ, which is sad. And they
Speaker 1: were definitely exploited. There's multiple ones that were exploited. And
Speaker 1: I don't even know if they were truly twins. I
Speaker 1: think they may have just made them said that, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: so uh, but it's a real thing, and it seems
Speaker 1: like it always affects. Uh this is Pip and Flip snow,
Speaker 1: So maybe they really were. And I mean it's something
Speaker 1: that continues to be, like I said, in horror stories
Speaker 1: and stuff. But it's where you have microcephaly. Your head
Speaker 1: is abnormally small and it is a genetic mutation. Infections
Speaker 1: during pregnancy aka zeca virus and toxoplasmosis, radiation and other
Speaker 1: unknown causes cause this. So it causes the intellectual disabilities
Speaker 1: and seizures. I mean, because it would put pressure on
Speaker 1: your brain, you know.
Speaker 3: Well, and it looks like the head is misshaped and
Speaker 3: kind of like instead of like being more around, they're
Speaker 3: very like oval shaped.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah. And I don't know why their hair
Speaker 1: doesn't grow, but all of them have the same hair growth.
Speaker 1: So for whatever reason, I have no idea why that happens,
Speaker 1: but it it seems to be a thing because all
Speaker 1: of them have the same hairdoo like.
Speaker 3: All of them like well, and I know that Pip
Speaker 3: and Flip we're in that American horror story freak show series.
Speaker 1: They were marketed on there, so oh that went crazy
Speaker 1: And this guy was really famous for I think you
Speaker 1: mentioned him specifically when we find it, but I know
Speaker 1: his name was mentioned specifically because I looked it up.
Speaker 1: But anyway, yeah, I don't know, I still can't. That's
Speaker 1: him well done. They they obviously toured. I mean, they
Speaker 1: would have to have people take care of them a
Speaker 1: lot of times. He looks like he's maybe more functional.
Speaker 3: Just is it zip the what is it? Yes, William
Speaker 3: Henry Johnson. Yeah, I had microcephale and skeletal thickness. And
Speaker 3: his stage name was zip the pin head.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, and so he seems a little more functional.
Speaker 1: And this other one that I showed was Skitzy. That's
Speaker 1: this one's name, Skitzy, And yeah, that would piss me off.
Speaker 1: It's not a very nice name. But no, or Schlitzy.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's Schlitzy the way they name it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Schlitzy was also part of freak show series.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep. And so this one also you know, neurodevelopmental disorders,
Speaker 1: brain and skull. So these people the only thing that
Speaker 1: I have a problem with the pinheads touring. This is
Speaker 1: where I do say, Okay, it's fine if freak shows
Speaker 1: want to do freak shows, not with these guys. She
Speaker 1: has the intellect of a three year old, so unless
Speaker 1: her family goes with or she has a guardian that's
Speaker 1: appointed for her, I don't agree on this particular one,
Speaker 1: just because it's not something that you know, you can
Speaker 1: choose yourself to be exploited. They're literally they're.
Speaker 3: Three, right, and they have childhood behavior because their brain
Speaker 3: is underdeveloped and small, so.
Speaker 1: And so the fact that they could be hurt, you know,
Speaker 1: just think of like a three year old. You wouldn't
Speaker 1: just send them off on their way. So yeah, So.
Speaker 3: There's a couple of other ones that are interesting. So
Speaker 3: we have fibro dysplasia osipa can's progress EVA and it's
Speaker 3: called stone man disease. So soft tissue gradually turns into
Speaker 3: bone uh and locks the joints and so uh, these
Speaker 3: people look like stone, which is uber strange.
Speaker 1: I've I've seen this one. I had an aunt that
Speaker 1: married a guy and it didn't happen until later. He
Speaker 1: didn't get it till like after they had kids and
Speaker 1: after and he started turning to stone, like literal and
Speaker 1: it was horrible and like digits would break off.
Speaker 3: And I can imagine like how because it's it's just
Speaker 3: soft tissue that's turning into bone, so like your skin
Speaker 3: looks bony and stuff. That's very strange.
Speaker 1: And it was super painful. And he was the nicest person.
Speaker 1: So that's tow.
Speaker 3: So this one is called cleodocranial dystosis, and it's missing
Speaker 3: collar bones. Shoulders could be brought together in front of
Speaker 3: the chest and so like your shoulders would come all
Speaker 3: the way across like your breastbone. And so that's who
Speaker 3: that would be something else.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: They also not only like had these people in side shows,
Speaker 3: but they often had him do this like on the
Speaker 3: street corners or whatever, because it was considered a side
Speaker 3: show trick. So a lot of things that we talked
Speaker 3: about as far as disfigurement and stuff like that we
Speaker 3: did on other episodes. And so we talked about a chondro,
Speaker 3: a chondro dyspleasia, which is the classic dwarfism. We talked
Speaker 3: about uh ectrodactyle, which was the lobster call. So other
Speaker 3: muscle and connective tissue disorders that we also talked about
Speaker 3: was the Eeler's Dammos contractor syndrome, which is different for
Speaker 3: the arthrogrypsosis because these are where muscles or connective tissue
Speaker 3: lock joints into bent positions and they cannot straighten them out.
Speaker 3: I have seen people with contractors of the hand before.
Speaker 3: If you watch late night TV dupertures contractors on there.
Speaker 3: They have a commercial on there where the hands are
Speaker 3: like the fingers are contracted down into the palm. So
Speaker 3: I have seen a lot of people with a lot
Speaker 3: of very strange contracture stuff. Also polio survivors because they
Speaker 3: often had limb atrophy, Scolios's twisted postures, so they were
Speaker 3: marketed and put in sideshows as crippled wonders. So that's
Speaker 3: not very nice. But we have growth and symmetry disorders,
Speaker 3: so hemi hyperplasia is one side of the body grows
Speaker 3: larger than the other. We talked about that earlier.
Speaker 1: Kind of with the shoulder, think of the shoulders.
Speaker 3: And so it's like one side of the body is
Speaker 3: much bigger than the other side of the body. You
Speaker 3: can have like bigger muscles and stuff on one side.
Speaker 3: The bones are bigger on that side. It's very strange.
Speaker 1: I think you might have used to do the I'm
Speaker 1: a man woman when those people.
Speaker 3: Have that yes, one hundred percent, yep, one hundred percent,
Speaker 3: and that was famous not just inside shows but also
Speaker 3: on Late nine TV stuff. This is growth and oh,
Speaker 3: proteus syndrome, which we already talked about on the previous
Speaker 3: episode with Joseph Merrick, which was the Elephant Man. They
Speaker 3: believed that he had proteus syndrome along with neurofibromatosis and scoliosis,
Speaker 3: so he had a whole list of things going on.
Speaker 3: There's micromelia, which is abnormally short arms and legs, and
Speaker 3: this is a very just thing from other types of dwarf.
Speaker 3: For them, it's like you ever seen like the weird
Speaker 3: animals that they've been breeding that, like the cats that
Speaker 3: have the eaty teeny legs and stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, so that's what.
Speaker 3: Micromelia is like. So then we have congenital skeletal fusions
Speaker 3: and that's syndactyly, which is fused fingers or toes. Sometimes
Speaker 3: the whole hands and feet could be that way and
Speaker 3: also be wibbed, so they look like duck feet. Oh wow.
Speaker 3: Sacral a genesis which we talked about briefly earlier. It's
Speaker 3: or it's also called Coudle regression syndrome, and it means
Speaker 3: missing or malformed lower spine and pelvis uh, sometimes leading
Speaker 3: to the half body performers like Johnny Et that we
Speaker 3: saw earlier, which was the half boy. Yes, yeah, that's
Speaker 3: he's the one that had that. And so when you
Speaker 3: don't have that, obviously you also don't have very good
Speaker 3: flection in your spine because you don't have that ability.
Speaker 3: They also classify spina biffity with deformity, and this as
Speaker 3: well occasionally produced visible curvatures, club foot and complete lower
Speaker 3: body development.
Speaker 1: And the spina biffita is sad. Yeah, that one. I
Speaker 1: didn't do pictures for some of it. Well, first of all,
Speaker 1: there's so many, but second of all, I think most
Speaker 1: people know what spina bifitted it is. But like if
Speaker 1: they hadn't gone forward with the things they know how
Speaker 1: to treat nowadays, oh my gosh. Like back then, I
Speaker 1: just it was a direct death sentence because absolutely infection
Speaker 1: straight to the spinal cord. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I've only had one spine a bit for a patient
Speaker 3: in my life, so hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So it says that when they were marketed as living
Speaker 3: skeleton performers in the sideshows, it didn't mean they always
Speaker 3: had mar fans or osteogenesis imperfecta. Sometimes, like I said earlier,
Speaker 3: they had tuberculosis, which Heidi mentioned a lot of these
Speaker 3: performers actually died of tuberculosis. They also had cancer, so
Speaker 3: they had muscle astrophe, atrophy, wasting, syndrome, the whole nine yards, anorexia,
Speaker 3: and so that seems to be a problem still nowadays
Speaker 3: with anorexia, not just in other countries but in the
Speaker 3: teen population. Or intocrine disorders can also cause this. So
Speaker 3: when you're everything that you produce from your pituitary gland,
Speaker 3: your thyroid, all of that stuff can actually cause uh,
Speaker 3: the muscle wasting, the bone wasting, joint deformities, all of
Speaker 3: those kind of things as well. So they often were
Speaker 3: called bones of glass or starving marbles.
Speaker 1: Isn't that sad? Well? And back at the day, like
Speaker 1: fixing that is not not like now.
Speaker 3: No, And I can't imagine like a lot of the
Speaker 3: like treatments that were necessary because healthcare back then was
Speaker 3: not what they are now.
Speaker 1: They put some on it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what the here's the magic post magical water?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like.
Speaker 3: It's a tonic. Yes, So I can't imagine like the
Speaker 3: care or that doctors would be trained enough to Number
Speaker 3: one dyke notes these people or number two.
Speaker 1: Know what to do, how to train just marry them.
Speaker 1: They just married him, you know. No, that was and.
Speaker 3: Had fun in the two day days.
Speaker 1: I'm the worst. Yeah, but no, really honestly, like think
Speaker 1: about it, back then, they really didn't know what the
Speaker 1: hell to do with this. They're just like carry your
Speaker 1: half dead twin around like or freaking enjoy your seventh finger,
Speaker 1: webbed up crap, like what I can't imagine like nowadays,
Speaker 1: you pretty much know if something happens like that. Even
Speaker 1: the spider girl that had like eight supposedly eight legs,
Speaker 1: they fixed her, Like we're fixing stuff. Now, we're fixing shit.
Speaker 3: But yeah, and so even like even like minimally invasive stuff,
Speaker 3: you know, or or basic stuff like braces and whatever,
Speaker 3: I can't imagine that the treatments would have been that beneficial.
Speaker 1: Then no, probably not helpful and or probably hurtful. I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, wooh, abbey, guys, it's heavy. That's it's a.
Speaker 3: Crazy business out there.
Speaker 1: And join twins are just fascinating. I mean, there's so
Speaker 1: many of them, you know. They they had the two
Speaker 1: headed girl one that wasn't she's like a newer one
Speaker 1: like in the last I don't know, twenty years probably
Speaker 1: and they did separate them.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, I don't remember who it was,
Speaker 3: but I remembered that they did separate one set of
Speaker 3: conjoined twins in my lifetime, one that I know.
Speaker 1: And you would kind of hate that girl because like
Speaker 1: one of them ended up with no arm and like
Speaker 1: she's kind of jacked up, but the other one's like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm just fine now, Like I don't know, they seem
Speaker 1: okay about it, but shit, I'd be mad. I'd be like,
Speaker 1: you took my arm? Can I have passed that.
Speaker 3: Of her leg?
Speaker 1: No kidding? Like if she hits the arm, I get
Speaker 1: the leg. I don't know what do you know?
Speaker 3: When that was because I'm thinking.
Speaker 1: I was gonna throw her picture on here, but since
Speaker 1: she wasn't technically in the circus and stuff, I was like, well,
Speaker 1: but I should have just done it because it was fascinating,
Speaker 1: like hers come up right away like nineties. It was
Speaker 1: because I see them on Oprah, you know what. That's
Speaker 1: why I remember this, which is so funny. Okay, let
Speaker 1: me look. Let's see Siamese twin separated, and it's it's
Speaker 1: been like not that long ago, and it kind of
Speaker 1: looked like she wasn't going to be able to because
Speaker 1: she had a crazy head. Like they're like together, but
Speaker 1: the one girl, she looks great, so says telling their
Speaker 1: story eighteen years later. It happened on April nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 1: And these twins are let me tell you their names
Speaker 1: if it will tell me their names. Uh, Caitlin Copperfield home,
Speaker 1: so must be Kitlyn Copperfield and like Emily, I think
Speaker 1: Emily and Caitlin. So they started school, like they've gone
Speaker 1: to college. Now they're like very pretty normal now, Like
Speaker 1: you wouldn't think it because they were the ones that
Speaker 1: were actually shocking. I should have thrown this one in
Speaker 1: when I seen it on Oprah. And now they look great,
Speaker 1: they really do. The one girl's missing an arm, but
Speaker 1: she still looks pretty freaking good. Like they look there's
Speaker 1: no weird like how the one girl they took off
Speaker 1: the weird stuff, but like she still has this abnormal
Speaker 1: it looks like bowed legs, like crazy. No, these girls
Speaker 1: look normal.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, that's that's literally the only one I
Speaker 3: can remember in my lifetime that I've ever heard of.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, I remember them, and I remember thinking I
Speaker 1: just remember it because I was I was so startled.
Speaker 1: I think when I saw it back in the day,
Speaker 1: I was like, how does this even happen? Like how
Speaker 1: does this even work? Like I was just shocked, you know,
Speaker 1: like being I was younger, so I was like, ah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, they're fixed, so they can do some
Speaker 1: pretty amazing things nowadays. Like even those babies that had
Speaker 1: the same butt they were going in to be separated.
Speaker 1: So I think this just gets like taking care of
Speaker 1: more often now. And as far as a parasitic twin, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, there's that weird story. What the hell is
Speaker 1: that story where the guy had to live? It's a
Speaker 1: famous one with the tiny head in the back or something.
Speaker 1: Do you remember this creepy story? This is like I
Speaker 1: should have looked it up. This is like a creepy
Speaker 1: horror story. And the guy like had an evil twin
Speaker 1: in the back of his head, kind of like Voldemort.
Speaker 1: But thank you.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't that be fascinating?
Speaker 1: I am not serious enough for this. But anyways, this guy,
Speaker 1: he was a writer. People are gonna call me out
Speaker 1: on it, but this is like a core memory I
Speaker 1: have just of this creepy guy that had this supposedly
Speaker 1: weird twin and it was evil and he was not evil.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna find it. Why we talked.
Speaker 3: I think if I was, if I was gonna have
Speaker 3: like a twin thing, I honestly I'm not sure I
Speaker 3: might want to be a conjoined twin instead of a parasitic.
Speaker 1: Parasitic but the parasitic nowadays? Right, Oh, it's in the
Speaker 1: Stephen King novel The Dark Half. I knew I had
Speaker 1: this in my brain because I was like, where the
Speaker 1: hell did I hear this from? But I used to
Speaker 1: read somewhere. Oh and Edward Moore Drake. That's the one
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. So some searches also bring up nineteenth
Speaker 1: century legend of Edward Moore Drake, the man who was
Speaker 1: said to have a second evil face parasitic twin on
Speaker 1: the back of his head. Could you even ef you imagine? Okay? So,
Speaker 1: and they made this movie about it in twenty twenty
Speaker 1: one called Malignant, and it's it's like this myth of
Speaker 1: this evil but like, let's be real, nobody's making that
Speaker 1: shit up. That fucking happened. You cannot tell me that
Speaker 1: this more Drake guy didn't have something weird going on,
Speaker 1: because I don't think you would, literally, like, no, no.
Speaker 1: They even call him the man with two faces, and
Speaker 1: he called it his devil twin. And it's such a
Speaker 1: scary story, Janet. He's like, he makes me do evil things.
Speaker 3: Well, oh if I had, if I had a parasitic twin,
Speaker 3: it would probably be an evil twin. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, or are we evil twins? Oh no, no,
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be us.
Speaker 3: We're the fun twin.
Speaker 1: Dan, You're a fun one. And I'm just being silly
Speaker 1: because I do core remember that, and I can't remember
Speaker 1: where I heard it in English class, and I remember thinking,
Speaker 1: what the hell, Like that's terrifying, Like you just lift
Speaker 1: and I guess he like grew his hair over it
Speaker 1: and like so nobody would know. And then you just
Speaker 1: what one day your wife like goes to get you
Speaker 1: a hug and gets around your head your evil twins'
Speaker 1: mouth or something. I think it bites you. Yeah, could happen,
Speaker 1: gary as shit, But I mean weird, definitely weird. Yeah.
Speaker 3: You know what's impressive though about all these strange things
Speaker 3: is I don't think the incidents of these are very
Speaker 3: common anymore for anything that we've talked about.
Speaker 1: And then I wonder, like part of me is like
Speaker 1: because they were doing weird shit right, Like definitely on
Speaker 1: the people being born with no arms and stuff. If
Speaker 1: you guys research into that, A lot of times that's
Speaker 1: a drug problem, like not not doing drugs, like a
Speaker 1: medical medicine that caused the babies to not have that
Speaker 1: that one. They're smarter now they're like, oh, don't give
Speaker 1: that antibiotic. Which one? Is it a super toxic to
Speaker 1: pregnant women? I can't remember right now. A long legs
Speaker 1: the worst one, the worst one, and they gave all
Speaker 1: the time in the seventies and I can't remember. But
Speaker 1: they quit doing shit like that right, like they're like,
Speaker 1: stop that, and it's the one that they give for
Speaker 1: uh acne. You cannot have this if you're pregnant, and
Speaker 1: so girls, listen up. If you're antibiotic, yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: a really, it's really it's tetracycling. Tetracycling, and so that
Speaker 1: one will screw up kids. So listen girls, if you're
Speaker 1: out there messing around, you ain't perfect it up and
Speaker 1: you're on some of that for your acne. Watch yourself.
Speaker 1: But also you're probably not watching my show hopefully. I
Speaker 1: don't know why you would want to learn about this
Speaker 1: weird stuff, but yeah, I was a weird teenager whatever.
Speaker 1: Long story short, A wear club, right, and I worry,
Speaker 1: like are they killing them though? Like are they are
Speaker 1: the people? Like, uh, same as twins. Get it out
Speaker 1: of there, Like, I hope that's not the case, you.
Speaker 3: Know well, and that that's why like that fatal maternal
Speaker 3: screening that they offer you at so many weeks or whatever,
Speaker 3: those can have very false results.
Speaker 1: Yes, you know.
Speaker 3: But but again it's fair porn, it's fair pedling, and
Speaker 3: oh my god, where your child could be born with X,
Speaker 3: Y and Z, you better abort right now.
Speaker 1: Right that happened to my cousin his son. They said
Speaker 1: it was going to be some horrible thing, and all
Speaker 1: it was was where their soft spots close. And he
Speaker 1: I mean not to say that that's not serious. It's serious, okay,
Speaker 1: but but he's fine, Like he's smart and happy and
Speaker 1: healthy and handsome now and all the things that he's fine. See,
Speaker 1: I told you guys, I had blood. Hear all the
Speaker 1: shit that's going on in my family. Anyway, you were
Speaker 1: an experiment family. Oh my gosh. And I'm just thinking, like,
Speaker 1: I hope that people realize that because it wasn't nearly
Speaker 1: as serious as they made it out.
Speaker 3: Right right right, And we have a mutual person that
Speaker 3: we know that that they kept offering that screen and
Speaker 3: they kept turning it down, and they're like, oh, well,
Speaker 3: you really need to have it because with your history,
Speaker 3: you need to have this test done because chances are
Speaker 3: your baby's going to have the same thing that you have,
Speaker 3: which she has a limb difference and stuff, but she's
Speaker 3: her mom was using prescription medication that caused the birth effect.
Speaker 1: And highly unlikely.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, and it's not a genetic thing. It
Speaker 3: was damnage caused by medication.
Speaker 1: And I guess for the Siamese twins. I just looked
Speaker 1: it up. It did say the incidence of conjoined twins
Speaker 1: has remained relatively consistent over time, one in fifty thousand
Speaker 1: to one in one hundred thousand berths. So past prognosis,
Speaker 1: of course, was poor. Currently it's way better. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it makes you wonder, like.
Speaker 3: Well, I wonder if that's like common in other countries, right, yeah,
Speaker 3: and it's not so much here because I've never and
Speaker 3: I don't think you've ever seen it either.
Speaker 1: No, I've never, Nope. Just it's always just curious, like
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe I'm a nurse because this is real,
Speaker 1: my biology teacher, and look, I'm sure he's not alive anymore.
Speaker 1: But mister Childs, if you were out there, you made
Speaker 1: me a nurse because you had a baby in a
Speaker 1: jar and it was the weirdest shit. I was his
Speaker 1: ta and I was like supposed to organize all the
Speaker 1: shelves and I'm like going through do to doom. I'm
Speaker 1: cleaning it out because I've always been a little cleaner,
Speaker 1: and he's like, yeah, you're great at that. Go do
Speaker 1: that and get away from me. Like because he didn't
Speaker 1: like to talk. He was very quiet and stoic and everything.
Speaker 1: So I pull this shit out and there's these jars
Speaker 1: and he's like, don't break any of the jars. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, because there's a baby in there, you are crazy.
Speaker 1: Like I remember looking at it and it was just
Speaker 1: it was an accidental death. You could see the little
Speaker 1: cord wrapped around its snack and so it was born
Speaker 1: this way. But this baby was only like this big
Speaker 1: janet and it did make like a huge impact on
Speaker 1: my life. When people are like, it's not a baby yet,
Speaker 1: that baby was less than twelve weeks old. It had
Speaker 1: a dinger, it was a boy. Everything that they say
Speaker 1: is not supposed to already be there. I think it
Speaker 1: might have been thirteen weeks instead of twelve. Maybe it
Speaker 1: was mislabeled. I don't know, but I know this that
Speaker 1: was a human baby. Like you could tell it was
Speaker 1: a baby just look like it would fit, you know,
Speaker 1: in your little hand. But it was a perfect It's
Speaker 1: little fingers were and it used to make me so sad.
Speaker 1: This is so stupid that I'm telling this, but I
Speaker 1: used to look at it all the time and be like,
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry baby, like I don't know about it.
Speaker 3: Well, and it's not stupid that you said that, because
Speaker 3: it's I think it's those things that move us to
Speaker 3: do what we do.
Speaker 1: Yes, you know, I guess, yeah, something like that, And.
Speaker 3: You don't have emotion. Nursing is absolute and right per mission.
Speaker 1: Be the librarian like, oh, I don't know what. That's fine.
Speaker 1: Not all of us are the same, but like that
Speaker 1: really did change my life, and it changed my life
Speaker 1: on ever getting rid of a baby, like if it
Speaker 1: had a problem, like I knew I never would And
Speaker 1: that's a personal decision. I'm not putting out there for
Speaker 1: to be like, oh, I'm so much better. I just
Speaker 1: knew for me that was my decision that I would not.
Speaker 1: So I never had those scans done because I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can keep your stuff, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah no, And I don't say a point in it
Speaker 3: because if I know I would never harm the baby anyway,
Speaker 3: why does the test Yeah, yep, and they're very they're
Speaker 3: very very inaccurate anyway.
Speaker 1: So yeah, my daughter's even the little heart thing that
Speaker 1: she had in her little skin spots, and they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: she could have you should probably have extensive, you know,
Speaker 1: because they give you the basic screen and then they're
Speaker 1: like you should do this or not. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: no way, I'm not getting rid of her, like she's
Speaker 1: in there, that's where she belongs, like that, we're finishing
Speaker 1: this through. You know, the only time I think that
Speaker 1: it's really unfortunate on the laws that we have is
Speaker 1: two things is as a Christian. It's so hard for
Speaker 1: me to even say this, but like, if it isn't available,
Speaker 1: people hurt themselves, okay, And so I do think it
Speaker 1: should be an available choice for people. And I don't
Speaker 1: think they should outlaw it because it's it's terrifying to
Speaker 1: see what happens. And I have seen that and and
Speaker 1: I don't ever want to see that again. Okay, Right,
Speaker 1: people will harm themselves permanently forever trying to have an
Speaker 1: illegal abortion, and that's just wrong too, really and fair
Speaker 1: because this lady's body was literally keeping this baby alive
Speaker 1: and it didn't have any kidneys. Sorry, I cannot live
Speaker 1: without kidneys. Can't do a trend nothing, You can absolutely do.
Speaker 1: And I took care of her for four months. Why
Speaker 1: she was there because we had to tap her. He
Speaker 1: breathed it was gonna die, and it did. I was
Speaker 1: there when it was born. And I sometimes you're just
Speaker 1: like are you stupid? Utah, Like you know that this
Speaker 1: isn't viable, like you she's not killing anything. Well, you
Speaker 1: just let her be induced so she can have this
Speaker 1: misery end. But no, you're carrying it out till eight months.
Speaker 1: Like that's just wrong. Well sort of intervention. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And we had like a similar patient in our practice
Speaker 3: and her ob doctor the baby was deceased, but her
Speaker 3: ob doctor made her carry the full term and delivered
Speaker 3: knowing that the baby was deceased and had been for months.
Speaker 3: And he was like yeah, he's like, sorry, you have
Speaker 3: to you have to give birth.
Speaker 1: Well, and that's gonna think heavens they do allow if
Speaker 1: it is gone, they will allow it. But my grandmother
Speaker 1: carried a dead baby for two months because back then
Speaker 1: they didn't know she It was like when they had
Speaker 1: the horn to listen to the belly, you know, that
Speaker 1: was it, And so they didn't know. And she had
Speaker 1: r H and my grandpa was positive and she was
Speaker 1: negative and it actually did look it helped her in
Speaker 1: the end. That was her third full term miscall full
Speaker 1: term still birth, and you know the crossing of the
Speaker 1: blood because it almost killed her. She got blood poisoning.
Speaker 1: That can happen to that lady to this day, Like
Speaker 1: you can die, and so what is the point of that, Like,
Speaker 1: that's just unethical. That is unethical.
Speaker 3: And I thought about it from like the patient standpoint
Speaker 3: and not his standpoint, which we used to nickname him
Speaker 3: doctor Dith because he always did stuff like that, weird stuff.
Speaker 3: But it's like I can't imagine from the patient standpoint,
Speaker 3: like having to carry and still carry and full term
Speaker 3: carry of maybe that you know is deceased.
Speaker 1: No, that is mental torture. Yeah, it's awful, And I
Speaker 1: mean I get if you don't know, but nowadays we
Speaker 1: do know, and I've been there many times. This is
Speaker 1: why I don't work in labor and delivery anymore, because
Speaker 1: I can't. I can do a lot of things and
Speaker 1: not take it home. I'm I'm still affected, but like
Speaker 1: I can, I cannot take certain things home, but not
Speaker 1: babies that die. Right, it messes with me so bad,
Speaker 1: Like not just the nick you that's a different thing too,
Speaker 1: because then you're like, it's a fifty to fifty split,
Speaker 1: like your baby's here and we're gonna do everything. But
Speaker 1: if not, it did live, And like in my brain somewhere,
Speaker 1: I'm like, well maybe that was just I don't know, right,
Speaker 1: But being there when the mother comes in and doesn't
Speaker 1: feel fetal movement as Ellen diners for two years, that
Speaker 1: is the worst things I've ever had to do. And
Speaker 1: other than that lady that couldn't have her baby, that
Speaker 1: was killing her basically, And I just if they were
Speaker 1: so crass about it, like the women there, something is
Speaker 1: wrong with them, Like, I know, we joke, like we
Speaker 1: joke a little bit, but if it was real, Janet,
Speaker 1: and I came to you and said some real stuff
Speaker 1: like that, not about pictures, right, you wouldn't be that way.
Speaker 1: And these women put this baby in the box. This
Speaker 1: is like the word in a cardboard box. And then
Speaker 1: she said take this down stairs and I said, well
Speaker 1: where and she said to the morgue And I said,
Speaker 1: what's in there? And she said the baby that didn't
Speaker 1: have the kidneys And she said, because its name is
Speaker 1: what is the hell is that name? When you don't
Speaker 1: have kidneys, and people are naming their kids this Right now,
Speaker 1: I can't remember, but I'm going to look it up
Speaker 1: because it's so stupid. When I started hearing the name,
Speaker 1: I was like, for heaven's sakes, please know what you're
Speaker 1: naming your children, right, like Addison's disease. And so they're like,
Speaker 1: take baby Addison down and we're laughing, and I threw up,
Speaker 1: like and it wasn't about the baby. It wasn't about
Speaker 1: that at all. It was the disrespect and like the oh,
Speaker 1: I just lost my shit and I had to go
Speaker 1: home and I quit.
Speaker 3: I quit right after that because I couldn't have Yeah,
Speaker 3: I that is the one department that I worked in
Speaker 3: that I absolutely hated. Yep, that's not for me.
Speaker 1: I can't, Like, I couldn't sit there. And they're like,
Speaker 1: but you're so good with the demises. So they kept
Speaker 1: putting me with demises. And I was pregnant and so
Speaker 1: I was psychotic at this point, like going crazy. I
Speaker 1: think he had more fetal uh well just sounds than
Speaker 1: any baby on earth because I just did them to
Speaker 1: myself constantly because I was super crazy at this point
Speaker 1: now and I just couldn't. I was like does a
Speaker 1: husband go home and take the nursery down or doesn't
Speaker 1: he because does he even know what to do because
Speaker 1: he doesn't know what she's going to do? And then
Speaker 1: does she need it up because she needs to deal
Speaker 1: with that? Like I just I was so in my
Speaker 1: own head it was too much.
Speaker 3: Oh no, one hundred percent. And that's why, like I
Speaker 3: did not for a lot of reasons, I did not
Speaker 3: enjoy working there at all. Didn't like that, not one bit.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying all ellen D nurses are like that.
Speaker 1: Maybe that was just the group I was with.
Speaker 3: There's of them like that, but a lot of nurses
Speaker 3: in general are very cold, callous, crass. They don't have
Speaker 3: empathy for their patients. They don't have uh, empathy for
Speaker 3: coworkers or nurture nature, none of that stuff.
Speaker 1: No, no, definitely it's just bananas to me because I'm
Speaker 1: always like, why the hell are you here? Like, and
Speaker 1: especially in psych like there's psych nurses that do this
Speaker 1: to people, and I'm like, guess what, You're the biggest
Speaker 1: piece of shit I've ever known. Do you want to
Speaker 1: know why? Because you just made somebody's worst day of
Speaker 1: their life, the very worse ever had worse, like applaud yourself,
Speaker 1: you piece of shit like I and I am not
Speaker 1: quiet when this stuff happens.
Speaker 3: And I also not very liked so well, that's because
Speaker 3: we are the see something, say something type of people.
Speaker 3: We're not the type of people to sit back and
Speaker 3: allow injustice to happen.
Speaker 1: And it's not funny to me, And it's not funny
Speaker 1: in podcasting, it's not funny to me in any realm
Speaker 1: where people feel like they are so much better than
Speaker 1: somebody else, like you are not, you are not. Yeah, yep,
Speaker 1: we we should be there for our brothers and sisters.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying like you can be there for every
Speaker 1: person in the world, but I know that you can
Speaker 1: make a difference. And Janet does this. I know that
Speaker 1: she does because we talk about it. You know I
Speaker 1: do this. Like there's things that you can do. Yes,
Speaker 1: you can't save the world, but like there's got to
Speaker 1: be a piece in all of us that like tries
Speaker 1: to change things right, like a little bit.
Speaker 3: Or does does a good deed for somebody else, And
Speaker 3: and stop thinking about yourself, because imagine bringing it back
Speaker 3: to like the show, imagine having a family member or
Speaker 3: something with one of these skeletal issues, And are you
Speaker 3: the type of person that is gonna go behind them
Speaker 3: and talk behind their back and you know, talk about
Speaker 3: them in public and you know.
Speaker 1: Shame them and all that stuff.
Speaker 3: More, are you going to be the type of person
Speaker 3: that is selfless and giving and you're going to do
Speaker 3: whatever you can to help them?
Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, And so for that, I'm sorry I got
Speaker 1: on a soapbox, but it does disgust me. I just
Speaker 1: hope and pray that we can all get back to,
Speaker 1: you know, how, how we should be and and at
Speaker 1: some level we are all humanity, and we should be human,
Speaker 1: that's all well, and.
Speaker 3: We should provide a little bit of love and compassion
Speaker 3: and concern for other people instead of myself.
Speaker 1: I'm a goofball and make little stupid jokes like came
Speaker 1: it were real. If this was a person that needed
Speaker 1: help like now, I would be.
Speaker 3: There, you know, kinder person.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, But that's why we did this series and
Speaker 1: it was super important to me. And maybe it was
Speaker 1: created in my weird o brain in ninth grade because
Speaker 1: of a baby in a jar, But like I've always
Speaker 1: been fascinated with this little bit of a dark side.
Speaker 3: So a hundred percent and things that you may see like, oh,
Speaker 3: I've only seen like a handful of all of these things,
Speaker 3: like my entire life. So hopefully like shedding light on
Speaker 3: some of these things. If you hear our show and
Speaker 3: you see something like this out in public, reserve your judgment,
Speaker 3: control your facial features, because that person didn't choose to
Speaker 3: be that way.
Speaker 1: Be kind, be kind Yessa. You know that's just the
Speaker 1: best thing you can do in general. And we also
Speaker 1: have to work on it. I'm not saying I don't
Speaker 1: have to work on being kind. Sometimes it's really hard
Speaker 1: for me if they're if they're judging and nasty. Sometimes
Speaker 1: I like to be nasty, but in my heart I
Speaker 1: know I'm not supposed to be that way as well.
Speaker 3: So well, none of us are perfect. We're all a
Speaker 3: work in progress, right, striving for hopefully better things and
Speaker 3: being more godly. But some people are not.
Speaker 1: So Yes, so well, see something, say something, And we
Speaker 1: showed you some awesome things today to see so and.
Speaker 3: I want to say thank you for doing another episode
Speaker 3: with me. I love these episodes because we love the
Speaker 3: dark side of Sealth Care. There's so much to talk
Speaker 3: about and so many things to cover, and hopefully you
Speaker 3: will continue doing things with me because I quite enjoy
Speaker 3: these series and I love that you thought of this
Speaker 3: side show series because it's fantastic. Yes, So with that
Speaker 3: being said, thank you for that of my heart and
Speaker 3: where can people find you?
Speaker 1: Absolutely and for sure be looking out for more of these,
Speaker 1: Janet says, We've got enough that we can keep trailing
Speaker 1: through for quite a while. Keep your eyes peeled until
Speaker 1: you guys get sick of it. Let us know, let
Speaker 1: us know the comments. Also if you like it, or
Speaker 1: you could even do one up and go to Apple
Speaker 1: and leave us a five star review. That is where
Speaker 1: the best place is for you to do that to
Speaker 1: help us in the algorithm. I thank you so much,
Speaker 1: miss Janet. I am Heidi love of the Unfiltered Rice.
Speaker 1: I'm everywhere podcasts are served Unfiltered Rice podcast dot com.
Speaker 1: If you don't like podchasers, Spotify is going to get
Speaker 1: twice as many drops as probably anywhere. I think they
Speaker 1: get filtered out the same. But as far as YouTube,
Speaker 1: it's like once a week they've danked me. I'm not
Speaker 1: losing my channel there, so it's a little I'm not
Speaker 1: putting these on there.
Speaker 3: Oh no, you know, whatever we like out of here
Speaker 3: really quick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to get tossed, So catch me
Speaker 1: there and miss Janet in case they haven't seen you before.
Speaker 1: Tell my listeners where they can find you.
Speaker 3: Okay. You can find Deplorable Nation podcast on every podcast platform.
Speaker 3: If you like the video versions, feel free to watch
Speaker 3: on Spotify or on Rubble. If you want to hit
Speaker 3: me up for a show, you have questions, comments, et cetera,
Speaker 3: et cetera. Deplorable Janet on Instagram and no Janet, Kate
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Speaker 3: for my beautiful bestie. Thanks for tuning in and we'll
Speaker 3: see you next time. Have a great day.