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Speaker 1: you tonight?
Speaker 2: I'm good, I'm really good.
Speaker 1: Uh So can you take me through just as quickly
Speaker 1: as you want? Your entrance into the adult film street
Speaker 1: or any kind of adult work in general. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you started with camming or stripping or video.
Speaker 1: What was your path into this industry.
Speaker 2: Well, you're kind of right on with that assessment. I
Speaker 2: started with camming. I was told by another performer named
Speaker 2: Cameron Canila that if you have never dipped your toe
Speaker 2: in any type of sex work, it's probably best to
Speaker 2: do something of that nature before, just like doing straight
Speaker 2: up porn. You know, I think if you're like a
Speaker 2: super giant slut and like a true born slut, I
Speaker 2: think you can jump jump into porn. For sure, there's
Speaker 2: some that we see that can just do that. But
Speaker 2: I wasn't a super promiscuous person, so I think it
Speaker 2: was important that I started doing sex work in a
Speaker 2: different way. And then yeah, start with camming. Then I
Speaker 2: moved on to stripping, and then I started doing it
Speaker 2: out here and yeah, it's a it's a cool little
Speaker 2: story how that happened. I had two roommates that I
Speaker 2: basically got off rooms to, and then we all started
Speaker 2: camming together. And I let them know that I cam
Speaker 2: you know, I said, I do this and you'll hear
Speaker 2: these moans throughout the day, so it's important that you
Speaker 2: know that. And she said, oh, do you make a
Speaker 2: lot of money with that? And then she wanted to start,
Speaker 2: and then we got my other friend to start, and
Speaker 2: then my other friend started stripping. I was in a
Speaker 2: relationship at the time, so I couldn't be doing that
Speaker 2: in my relationship. After we broke up, she's like, do
Speaker 2: you want to try stripping? And I said sure, and
Speaker 2: so we both started, and then the other friend, who
Speaker 2: was late to the camming, she was like, Okay, I'll
Speaker 2: strip and what's funny about this is I think me
Speaker 2: and that first friend we don't strip at all anymore,
Speaker 2: and then that one friend she still strips to this day.
Speaker 1: Okay, so there you how much of a different beast
Speaker 1: are all three of those things? Because I've interviewed a
Speaker 1: bunch of strippers this week, and I've talked to them
Speaker 1: and they say, or girls, sorry, non bunch of shippers,
Speaker 1: a bunch of porn stars who are now trying to
Speaker 1: get into feature dancing, and they're saying, like, there's two types.
Speaker 1: Some are just like, yeah, I'm all for it, jump in,
Speaker 1: and then there's some who are like, there's a difference
Speaker 1: between camming or being on a closed set and being
Speaker 1: in a bar where some guy smashes a bottle over
Speaker 1: someone's head over here and has to be carried out.
Speaker 1: Going from camming to stripping, was that like a huge
Speaker 1: jump for you or was it exciting? Were you nervous
Speaker 1: at all? Did you get into a good club early
Speaker 1: on or did you have to kind of work your
Speaker 1: way up that route as well?
Speaker 2: So you know, out of I've done every angle of
Speaker 2: sex work that there is, and stripping is definitely was
Speaker 2: the hardest on you. Mentally, I would say it's like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's just I would say that the
Speaker 2: customers would rather say sorry than ask for permission. There's
Speaker 2: a lot of just your constant boundaries having to be
Speaker 2: told over and over and over again. I've found in
Speaker 2: other sex work, I don't have to constantly put up
Speaker 2: my boundaries all the time. A lot of times too,
Speaker 2: you're doing fifty first days, so you're hearing a lot
Speaker 2: of really intense stories. I'm really empathetic, so I'm not
Speaker 2: really a shark in the on the floor. I'm very
Speaker 2: much sorry. My dog's coming over here.
Speaker 1: No, it's okay.
Speaker 2: I'm so I'll sit there and listen to your life
Speaker 2: story for a bit. And all of a sudden, I've
Speaker 2: wasted like an hour, you know.
Speaker 1: And got no dance out of it, and like a
Speaker 1: five dollar tip. And it's like, what the fuck did
Speaker 1: I just do?
Speaker 2: And so you say to them, like, straight up, I'll go,
Speaker 2: I work on tips and tips alone, I would, He's
Speaker 2: like panting right at the books. I work on tips
Speaker 2: and tips alone, So I would really, and and my
Speaker 2: time is money, you know, I only have, you know,
Speaker 2: wasted an hour out of my five hour shift. I
Speaker 2: would say this more eloquently than that, but I would appreciate,
Speaker 2: you know, if you would pay me for my time.
Speaker 2: And you know, the worst thing that they can say
Speaker 2: is just no. And you know because if you and
Speaker 2: so they will, they'll strip to be like no, and
Speaker 2: you're like got it and then you move on and yeah,
Speaker 2: but anyway, there's more questions that you asked me in
Speaker 2: that first it's okay.
Speaker 1: I generally the way I do it is I kind
Speaker 1: of tommy gun out questions and whatever you grab, we'd
Speaker 1: just roll from there. Uh, that's kind of how this
Speaker 1: show goes. Yeah, do you have an incident that stands
Speaker 1: out in your mind from stripping? When you may have
Speaker 1: recognized a guy who doesn't want to spend with a
Speaker 1: party And I think we both know the type of
Speaker 1: guy we're talking about, Like, say a bachelor party's there,
Speaker 1: there's one guy all the way in the back, far
Speaker 1: away from the stage, drinking beers. Have you ever quote
Speaker 1: unquote turned a guy where maybe you see someone who's
Speaker 1: not interested in spending money and then on the second
Speaker 1: trip to the ATM, you're like, oh, I got this fucker.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I think that happens all the time. I mean,
Speaker 2: I think that's constant, you have so many. And then
Speaker 2: I think a big factor, unfortunately is liquor. You know,
Speaker 2: if people have liquor flowing, that definitely changes people's perductions.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I don't know, it's interesting I've had, you know,
Speaker 2: and I have to admit too, like a lot of
Speaker 2: times while I was at the strip club, like I was,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna show you my dog just like you.
Speaker 1: Oh he looks like my dog.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a golden. Do you have a golden?
Speaker 1: I have a golden named Charlie. He's a terror.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a terror too. We have that in common. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but where was I going with that? Was I just
Speaker 2: about to say?
Speaker 1: I don't know, But if I really wanted to be
Speaker 1: a scumbag and clickbait this, I would just put Lily
Speaker 1: Bell and Dog as the title of a YouTube clip
Speaker 1: and we'd be off, like we'd be running.
Speaker 2: Let's not do that.
Speaker 1: Uh, turning a guy who maybe didn't want to spend
Speaker 1: money at a strip. Yes, you have a do you
Speaker 1: have a method to start convincing? Is it not in
Speaker 1: a negative way? Is it a hassling thing? Is it?
Speaker 1: I mean, you're just sitting here by yourself, Why don't
Speaker 1: we just go?
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, I definitely. I think as time went on,
Speaker 2: I got more aggressive. I think you also have to
Speaker 2: feel out everybody's personality. Like some people are way more timid.
Speaker 2: Some people don't want to do that. Like my friend
Speaker 2: she would always go after couples, and like I never
Speaker 2: went after couples. Like I always felt that there was
Speaker 2: a very awkward sense sometimes like they're like that maybe
Speaker 2: the girl didn't want to be there and the guy did,
Speaker 2: and so then we're in the back room and I
Speaker 2: can just sense that. And you know, I always go
Speaker 2: to the female first. That's something I always do. You
Speaker 2: always make the female feel comfortable first. I always want
Speaker 2: to make sure that like I'm catering to that if
Speaker 2: that is happening. But then I can tell sometimes that
Speaker 2: like she doesn't want that or want to be there,
Speaker 2: and I'm just like, oh, this is really awkward. But
Speaker 2: most of the guys that are in the strip club
Speaker 2: usually are there because they want to be there. Like,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest. With bachelor parties, that's not something
Speaker 2: I normally would attack. I wouldn't go for a party.
Speaker 2: A lot of bachelor guys are there to spend money
Speaker 2: at the rack. A lot of them aren't there to
Speaker 2: like go in the back and spend a lot of
Speaker 2: money dancing. So I would usually pick someone, I guess
Speaker 2: in the back, and usually if you're sitting in the back,
Speaker 2: you're kind of wanting to come up and be talked to.
Speaker 2: And sometimes you have dudes that are like major strip
Speaker 2: club dudes, and they sit there in the back and
Speaker 2: it's kind of a power thing for them, like they
Speaker 2: get to pick the girl. They have girl after girl
Speaker 2: after girl coming up to them and they say no, no, no,
Speaker 2: and then finally then they get to pick who they want,
Speaker 2: you know. So it's definitely they're the big guy in
Speaker 2: the room and they can be that whenever they go
Speaker 2: right right.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. Yeah, what you said there about guys wanting
Speaker 1: to be there and guys showing up. It's a difference
Speaker 1: between if I want to find real golfers, I'll go
Speaker 1: to a golf course. If I go to top golf,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna possibly just see casuals who are hanging out
Speaker 1: right m h. The little research I have done because
Speaker 1: I was not a good student, tells me you are
Speaker 1: a speedgler. Girl. I had heard the name Spiegler before
Speaker 1: in the industry, but I did a little research today.
Speaker 1: What goes into being a Spiegler girl. It seems like
Speaker 1: it's kind of the most prestigious agency to be a
Speaker 1: part of. And I spoke to a girl earlier this
Speaker 1: week and I laid out all of my conditions that
Speaker 1: I would need if I was a beautiful porn girl. Look,
Speaker 1: I need a contract, a deposit, I need a flight
Speaker 1: paid for, I need this that, blah blah blah. And
Speaker 1: obviously the girl laughed in my face and said it's
Speaker 1: not like that. And then at the end she goes, well,
Speaker 1: unless maybe you're a Spiegler girl, And I get stuck
Speaker 1: in my head. I'm like, oh, so that's Goldman Sachs.
Speaker 1: It seems like that's the top of the top. How
Speaker 1: did you become a Spiegler girl? And what goes into
Speaker 1: remaining a Spiegler girl.
Speaker 2: So my journey with feelers kind of interesting. I remember
Speaker 2: watching Sasha Gray on Tyra Banks when I was younger,
Speaker 2: and she was with Spiegler at the time. He came
Speaker 2: with her to that interview like on TV and everything,
Speaker 2: and you know, they just painted her in this like
Speaker 2: awful light, they made her dress like this church girl,
Speaker 2: and like, I don't know, I just remember Sasha really
Speaker 2: holding her own and just telling Tyrus straight up like
Speaker 2: you aren't the judge of what makes one woman feel
Speaker 2: empowered versus another, you know, So just because other women
Speaker 2: don't feel empowered by doing that doesn't mean that others might.
Speaker 2: And I think another important thing that I have said
Speaker 2: on other podcasts I just want to throw in there
Speaker 2: is that so not all sex work has to be empowering,
Speaker 2: Like sex work can just be work, can just be
Speaker 2: a job. So I think sometimes there's always this thing
Speaker 2: of like, oh, we have to like female power, and
Speaker 2: it's like yeah, for sure, but it is also just
Speaker 2: a job anyway. So with Spieler, I remember I called
Speaker 2: him back in like twenties seventeen. I would say he
Speaker 2: had like Gina Valentina still living in his home, I think,
Speaker 2: and he was just like, you know, I still am
Speaker 2: for wanting girls, you know, to do anal I'm wanting
Speaker 2: you know, that type of thing. And I just remember
Speaker 2: being like, I don't think I'm ready for that. And
Speaker 2: I just remember hanging up the phone and be like
Speaker 2: I don't think I can do that. And so then
Speaker 2: you know, I went with OC about a year or
Speaker 2: two later because I was still in a relationship, and
Speaker 2: so I just put the porn thing away. I was like,
Speaker 2: you're gonna be with this guy. You're gonna, you know,
Speaker 2: do your thing. And my parents were like, little, You're
Speaker 2: gonna have to choose, like between this lifestyle that you're living,
Speaker 2: like you're not gonna always be able to just like
Speaker 2: be a secret person online and like, and then they
Speaker 2: were right, you know. And so then eventually, when my
Speaker 2: relationship ended, I was like, okay, let's just go off.
Speaker 2: But I was already signed to OC. And so when
Speaker 2: I was signed to OC, you know, I just was
Speaker 2: girl girling solo. Then I wasn't anymore. I did boy girl.
Speaker 2: I did OC for three years, finished my contract. The
Speaker 2: person I was dating at the time, he's good friends
Speaker 2: with Spieler and also you know, our director, and he said,
Speaker 2: you know, I see you being with him, you should
Speaker 2: be with him. And I said, okay, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: ready for that next step. I'm ready to go further.
Speaker 2: So I on my contract is up. So I called him,
Speaker 2: and you know, it didn't happen right away like that
Speaker 2: you know it was you know, he has sometimes where
Speaker 2: he's like, well, call me back on this month, you know.
Speaker 2: So then I called back and it doesn't happen. So
Speaker 2: I called back on two times. And then after the
Speaker 2: two times it didn't, you know, I was like, all right,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to call. And then avn happened. And
Speaker 2: I came back and I was waiting for my Postmates
Speaker 2: and I thought my postmates was outside calling me and
Speaker 2: I answered and I but there wasn't my Postmates. It
Speaker 2: was George Spiegler's person, and he said, I want you
Speaker 2: to be part of the agency. And I was kind
Speaker 2: of shocked because I was the one barking up the tree,
Speaker 2: you know, the last couple of months, and then they
Speaker 2: didn't grab me. So then to have them call me,
Speaker 2: I was like okay, And I was like what you know? Sure,
Speaker 2: you know I closed that door. I mean it wasn't
Speaker 2: fully closed, but why not. And then I've been with
Speaker 2: him for a year and that first year was rough.
Speaker 2: I had a lot of medical things happened. It was
Speaker 2: very unfortunate. But ever since I healed from all that,
Speaker 2: I've had a great time with them. It's been so
Speaker 2: beneficial to be with them.
Speaker 1: Sure. Sure, I've heard interviews with him where he says
Speaker 1: he looks for beautiful, professional perverted. So it seems like
Speaker 1: maybe you had the first two and we were just
Speaker 1: waiting on you getting a little more. You should have
Speaker 1: picked up the phone like, Hey, George, sorry, I'm about
Speaker 1: to fuck the pizza guy. If you just give me
Speaker 1: a sec I'll get back to you. Blah blah blah, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: throw it out there. But I'm glad I was not perverted.
Speaker 2: Yet, So I think it was best that I didn't
Speaker 2: go with Spiegler right away. I think I think that
Speaker 2: things happened for a reason. I got flooded the fuck
Speaker 2: out when I started coming out here to La so
Speaker 2: like that, just like that journey for me really happened
Speaker 2: with n OC and then I think when I was
Speaker 2: ready to go to Spiegler, it really was time. And
Speaker 2: I am happy that I think that. Yeah, I look
Speaker 2: back on it that that's I think, that's good how
Speaker 2: it happened.
Speaker 1: You said something in there that was interesting. You said
Speaker 1: you actually went to your parents and talked about that,
Speaker 1: so your parents know what you do. Comfortable with it? Supportive, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I read you grew up in Portland.
Speaker 2: I believe Beaverton technically, but like most of my adult
Speaker 2: life in Portland.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, little weird up in that area in a
Speaker 1: good way. Okay, Yeah. Did that contribute to an upraising
Speaker 1: or is that the right word? Yeah? An upraising? Now
Speaker 1: when you were growing up, did that being in that
Speaker 1: kind of environment a more and I don't mean this
Speaker 1: politically like liberal, a little more progressive of everybody environment.
Speaker 1: Maybe that was your town, maybe it wasn't. Did that
Speaker 1: make it easier to get into stuff like this? I
Speaker 1: went to twelve years of Catholic school. I have nothing
Speaker 1: but sexual shame. So so I can't imagine even going
Speaker 1: to my parents and being like I'm doing this now
Speaker 1: and then being like, I am so proud of your
Speaker 1: new ten thousand followers.
Speaker 2: You know, my parents were. Here's the thing. I think
Speaker 2: it wasn't just like I just threw porn in their face.
Speaker 2: It was started out with camming and it went to
Speaker 2: stripping like it was like they were slightly introduced, you know,
Speaker 2: as time went on. Interestingly enough, though I'd only had
Speaker 2: been camming for like a little bit when I had
Speaker 2: talked to Spiegler right away, and so I talked to
Speaker 2: my stepdad about it, and he was pretty supportive about it,
Speaker 2: shockingly because he knew who Spiegeler was and he just said,
Speaker 2: you know, lil if this is what you want to
Speaker 2: do with your life, you know, we can't stop you.
Speaker 2: You're an adult and we just want you to be
Speaker 2: safe and we want you to you know, live your life.
Speaker 2: And my mom, for me, what she always wanted was
Speaker 2: she wanted me to like live in some rap shit
Speaker 2: apartment in New York audition for Broadway. And that's like
Speaker 2: all I do all the time, like with a bunch
Speaker 2: of girls. That's like what she envisioned for me for
Speaker 2: my life. So like with her, like in a way,
Speaker 2: I think she kind of is happy that I'm like
Speaker 2: doing something that's like shiny and bright in some way,
Speaker 2: you know, which is happy for her. And then also
Speaker 2: she's earned. She was the hardest to convince, like the camming.
Speaker 2: I remember we went on a trip to Mexico and
Speaker 2: was telling her about it and she was crying and
Speaker 2: she was upset, and I think, you know, it's it's
Speaker 2: not just it's a reflection on her. What did Like
Speaker 2: what are people gonna think, Oh my god, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: have to tell them what you're doing. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: they're gonna think what did I do wrong in my
Speaker 2: own line of parenting to cause you to thray to
Speaker 2: do this, And it's like, not that deep. It's not
Speaker 2: like that. You know. My mom was an amazing parent,
Speaker 2: so was my stepdad. I had parents around me all
Speaker 2: the time. They raised me very well. Sometimes people do
Speaker 2: just choose to do these things. And I, like I said,
Speaker 2: I wasn't a big sluck growing up. You know, I
Speaker 2: only had sex with seven people prior to getting into
Speaker 2: the industry, So I don't know. I just was kind
Speaker 2: of looking at it, and I was in a relationship.
Speaker 2: I was like, this can't be the last penis I'm
Speaker 2: gonna be with, Like, there's no way, and it wasn't.
Speaker 1: So yeah, thankfully. Yeah, we're going to take a break
Speaker 1: and we'll be right back. My guest today, Lily Bell.
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Speaker 1: in the episode description. When We're back with my guest Today,
Speaker 1: Lily Bell. You can find her on only fans at
Speaker 1: Lily Underscore Bell xxx. Lily, how are you now? You
Speaker 1: said something there and I want to touch on it
Speaker 1: real quick earlier before the break about your mom wanting
Speaker 1: you to go to New York and becoming a you know,
Speaker 1: struggling Broadway actor, and there's like a level of quote
Speaker 1: unquote respectability about that. Right. Was your mom an artist?
Speaker 1: Was she just did she always want you to just
Speaker 1: be a little superstar or how did that come about?
Speaker 2: Well? I went to an art school growing up, so
Speaker 2: I think that was a big influence on it. And
Speaker 2: then we loved Broadway together. She wasn't a big artist.
Speaker 2: I think she just loved the movie fame and just
Speaker 2: really was like into that, you know. And then when
Speaker 2: I started going to art school, she probably was like, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, like this could be something, you know, And yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well look I'm going to ask some stuff out
Speaker 1: for you. Our game today is called porn Words. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna give you ten words. I'm gonna act them out
Speaker 1: for you. I can't say the word at all in
Speaker 1: the answer. You can pass at any time, and if
Speaker 1: there's a time on the clock, we'll go back and
Speaker 1: check the ones you missed. Okay, because your world for
Speaker 1: miss porn Star, I'm putting sixty nine seconds on the
Speaker 1: clock and you'll have ten seconds or ten questions to answer.
Speaker 1: These are all horn related categories. So anything I'm doing here,
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be you know, blue Jay, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be something related. So I'm gonna put the time on
Speaker 1: the clock and I'm gonna begin. Now, what's this? Okay?
Speaker 1: Number two? Oral sex on a guy?
Speaker 2: Well, what am I supposed to say to that?
Speaker 1: You could say anything. I'll tell you if you're right
Speaker 1: or wrong.
Speaker 2: Oh splacio, Nope, keep going ahead.
Speaker 1: There you go. Number three a kink or fetish. No,
Speaker 1: I fucked it up. Nope, I fucked it up. You
Speaker 1: get a point for that. It was fetish. Number four,
Speaker 1: brand new to the industry.
Speaker 2: A new girl.
Speaker 1: No type of category, brand new to the industry.
Speaker 2: Oh new, new, new blood, new starlet.
Speaker 1: Easier, easier than all that. Not young, not teen, brand new.
Speaker 2: New bile, barely legal.
Speaker 1: I skip next one. I just drank a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of water. Now I have to There you go. Number six,
Speaker 1: I'm a woman. I just drank a bunch of water.
Speaker 1: This came out of me. I don't know if this
Speaker 1: is p squirt. Okay. Seven? Uh uh, taking money from somebody?
Speaker 1: Taking money in the industry. No, it's a type. Uh
Speaker 1: tell me, uh, the the Dominatrix. No times up, time
Speaker 1: is up, damn Finn doom.
Speaker 2: Oh that I wouldn't have gotten that.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, uh for a tie breaker, because I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have people compete against each other according to I a
Speaker 1: f D dot com. Okay, Adult Film Database dot com. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how many? And then just for the audience that they
Speaker 1: know this probably doesn't count, like OnlyFans collaborations or this,
Speaker 1: and that. We're just going off this number for the tiebreaker.
Speaker 1: How many male performers have you worked with? And I
Speaker 1: will be packaging this and sending it to your religious
Speaker 1: leader back home, whoever that may be.
Speaker 2: Oh god, I would say like sixty something.
Speaker 1: She was like sixty ninety one. Wow, yeah, and nine
Speaker 1: away from triple digits. That's pretty solid.
Speaker 2: And you know that's not even counting. No, Like, I
Speaker 2: don't know if they catch everybody, like, because I've already
Speaker 2: fucked a couple people that they might not like. I Like,
Speaker 2: like I fucked someone in Miami where scene's not out
Speaker 2: yet that I've never had sex with, So that that's
Speaker 2: ninety two.
Speaker 1: Sure, Oh yeah, that's that's true. We're not doing this
Speaker 1: as a tool body counting over.
Speaker 2: At one hundred. Well, as far as male performers, I
Speaker 2: think I might because I fucked a few new people
Speaker 2: with scenes that haven't been out yet, So I think
Speaker 2: I might be almost set one hundred.
Speaker 1: Now that's solid sold.
Speaker 2: Because that's the thing with male talent that's interesting is
Speaker 2: sometimes you start getting repeat people you know. But if you're.
Speaker 1: Traveling, sure, these only count people individually, so one name
Speaker 1: might count for three four. Yeah, your own content, your
Speaker 1: own only fans, your own However, you sell content, which
Speaker 1: again links everything in the episode description. What type of
Speaker 1: content do you like to produce for yourself?
Speaker 2: Well, what sells for me is me having sex a
Speaker 2: lot of times with someone that has a very large
Speaker 2: penis that is usually a different skin color than me.
Speaker 2: Trying to find a politically correct way to say that.
Speaker 1: Let me pause you on the politically correct because I've
Speaker 1: talked to some other girls. I've to black performers, white performers,
Speaker 1: I've talked to whatever people don't like sometimes terms like
Speaker 1: interracial or BBC or anything like that. And I've spoken
Speaker 1: to male black performers who just say, like, I don't
Speaker 1: give a shit whatsoever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't really care.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you get caught up in any of that
Speaker 1: or is there an understanding that like this is a
Speaker 1: progressive industry in general, and just if we use terminology
Speaker 1: it's for a different reason. Maybe not, Maybe that's not
Speaker 1: how they feel. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I come from a very politically correct
Speaker 2: part of the world. I'm from Portland, so like I
Speaker 2: have a special need, sister, I have a gay father.
Speaker 2: I will never say things like, you know, I come
Speaker 2: out here, people say the word retarded all the time.
Speaker 2: I would get in so much trouble back home in
Speaker 2: my household if I said something like that, like you
Speaker 2: can't you know, but I also grew up around some
Speaker 2: a different environment, you know, and then also having a
Speaker 2: gay dad, I would never say that's so gay, it's interesting,
Speaker 2: like you know, that type of upbringing, so you know. Also,
Speaker 2: I am an activist, so like I definitely wouldn't ever
Speaker 2: use like any race play like I just and I remember,
Speaker 2: I will admit, on the beginning days of sex Panther,
Speaker 2: I would have guys that would call me that would
Speaker 2: do race play and it just left me with a
Speaker 2: funny feeling. And so I remember like I told this dude,
Speaker 2: you know, after like the BLM movement, you know, was
Speaker 2: really intense, and I did some marching and stuff, and
Speaker 2: you know, I guess a lot of girls basically like
Speaker 2: had this major thing where they were like, we're not
Speaker 2: doing race play anymore. And I think that burst a
Speaker 2: lot of stuff, which is good, but it upset a
Speaker 2: lot of people. And then this dude just bitched me
Speaker 2: out on the phone and was so pissed and said, oh,
Speaker 2: you fucking sluts not doing this anymore, just so bad
Speaker 2: at me. And I was like, well, I think he's
Speaker 2: getting a lot of girls that are doing this right now.
Speaker 2: But it's just like, yeah, I would never participate in
Speaker 2: I would listen to it, and I just I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's just interesting. Also, I never knew that it was
Speaker 2: such a big thing, Like prior to getting in the industry,
Speaker 2: I didn't know that there were white guys that fantasized
Speaker 2: about black men like that. I didn't realize that that
Speaker 2: was even a thing, right, So it just was kind
Speaker 2: of a shock to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, it's it's it's an odd thing
Speaker 1: because again I have spoken to black performers before, and
Speaker 1: some of them are what I would expect, like race play.
Speaker 1: Fuck out of here. No, like I'll start swinging on
Speaker 1: you if you want some race play, and that's fine.
Speaker 1: You know, anyone can do. My opinion on sex in
Speaker 1: general is just that anyone could do whatever they want
Speaker 1: to do as long as there's no kids or dogs
Speaker 1: in the rooms. To the golden in there. Uh, that's
Speaker 1: not my business, you know, I don't care, stay out
Speaker 1: of it. But yeah, it's weird, because it's not weird,
Speaker 1: it's just whatever. I've spoken to male black performers and
Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, I don't give a shit whatever you
Speaker 1: call me, whatever you want, I'm inside you. But then
Speaker 1: from an acting standpoint, in a sense, you have to
Speaker 1: be comfortable with it. On the other side, So even
Speaker 1: though there here's.
Speaker 2: What I see, I think, uh, I see Asian girls
Speaker 2: obviously using their Asian hair, you know, culture to you know,
Speaker 2: promote themselves in that way, which I think they're able
Speaker 2: to do that because they're Asian. Sure, and so that
Speaker 2: makes sense if I all of a sudden am like
Speaker 2: I'm shooting with this hot Asian girl, Like, it's a
Speaker 2: little different if a white person is doing it. So
Speaker 2: like if I'm doing race play and saying I'm shooting
Speaker 2: with this BBC, Like it just looks bad. But like
Speaker 2: if a black person is talking about themselves in that way,
Speaker 2: I feel like that doesn't look bad. They can say
Speaker 2: whatever they want because that's their culture and they're able
Speaker 2: to say what they want. So it's kind of I
Speaker 2: guess that's kind of where I lean with it, Like
Speaker 2: I wouldn't, yeah, because like it's not like they're saying
Speaker 2: to me like, oh, you t have tight white whatever,
Speaker 2: like they're they're not really doing that to me, so
Speaker 2: and they're not, and I don't see a lot of
Speaker 2: my I guess maybe I haven't checked. I'm like, I
Speaker 2: I guess they do when I companies label me white
Speaker 2: like that, But I don't know if I see other
Speaker 2: male talents doing that to me that are black that
Speaker 2: I work with, I'm not sure. Yeah, it's interesting everywhere.
Speaker 1: We had a little tech issue, not a big deal.
Speaker 1: You you were saying though about how you're not normally
Speaker 1: labeled as white performer Lily Bell. You know it's and
Speaker 1: I think that's a totally fair point. Is very weird,
Speaker 1: go ahead, Sorry.
Speaker 2: I definitely got thrown into that though, Like I would.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say that like I, but like I definitely
Speaker 2: got thrown into the snow bunny category for sure, And
Speaker 2: I didn't know that that was going to be what
Speaker 2: my thing was going to be, you know, Like I
Speaker 2: didn't know that. Yeah. So it's interesting when you get
Speaker 2: thrown into something and you're like, oh, okay.
Speaker 1: It's weird. We've had this large cultural shift in language too.
Speaker 1: Write like you don't have an issue performing with black
Speaker 1: male performers, Yeah, but you might or other people might,
Speaker 1: or anything else. If they just put a simple white
Speaker 1: girl gets destroyed by BBC, it's a little bit like, uh,
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't even say Lily Bell and Isaiah
Speaker 1: Maxwell or whoever it is. But if you go back
Speaker 1: in the history of it, this industry was using the
Speaker 1: word tranny like it was nothing for the longest time
Speaker 1: for transperformers. At the same time they were giving transperformers work.
Speaker 1: So it's a real weird dichotomy where we're moving towards
Speaker 1: a thing where we need to be more conscious of language,
Speaker 1: which can get a little scary and a little dangerous
Speaker 1: if we pushed too far. But I do think we
Speaker 1: need to have a little more cognizance of who we're
Speaker 1: talking about. When we're talking about we don't have to
Speaker 1: nest necessarily classify everything to a small category. Tiny white
Speaker 1: girl gets destroyed. It's not necessary, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear you on that. I think you know. Uh,
Speaker 2: it's interesting because you know, I had a situation with
Speaker 2: the company where basically, uh, I showed up on set
Speaker 2: the script was not sent to me prior. They basically
Speaker 2: want me to do major race play. Say BBC say
Speaker 2: things like this. I say, I'm not saying things like this.
Speaker 2: I said never when I've worked for Doghart or Black
Speaker 2: or any of that never made me say these things.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it. The girl director looked at me
Speaker 2: and goes, well, it's not like I'm making you say
Speaker 2: the N word, and he said it with the hardy
Speaker 2: R and I was like whoa. And he's like, I've
Speaker 2: changed a script now, and he got all mad and
Speaker 2: then changed it and he goes, how about how about
Speaker 2: you say this? Is it true what they say once
Speaker 2: you go black? You never? I go, no, that's still
Speaker 2: race play. I'm not doing that right, And then uh,
Speaker 2: he was such a dick the whole thing. And then
Speaker 2: he made he packed up the whole set, made us
Speaker 2: wait on the couch, didn't give us our checks for
Speaker 2: like forty five minutes, you know, and then what happens
Speaker 2: when that DVD comes out? My face right next to
Speaker 2: like Lily Bell takes BBC like literally what you were saying?
Speaker 2: My face right there? I was like, you know what
Speaker 2: he thought? He goes, bet that bitch doesn't want to
Speaker 2: do race play, I'm gonna put your face right next
Speaker 2: to that word and you are not gonna be able
Speaker 2: to do anything about it. And that's exactly what he did.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you, is that guy no listed
Speaker 1: from now into eternity or are you comfortable working with
Speaker 1: that person again?
Speaker 2: Not the male talent male talent free the director. I
Speaker 2: don't think I would work for that company again. No. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it's it's it's an older company. It's it's a
Speaker 2: company that's been around for for a while. But I
Speaker 2: mean we've come a long way. I mean we used to.
Speaker 2: I mean people used to say the N word, you know,
Speaker 2: when it used to happen. I don't know if you
Speaker 2: remember Mow the Monster I do.
Speaker 1: I do a show called I Said what or a
Speaker 1: segment called I said, what right, And I go back
Speaker 1: and I pull old clips and the idea is never
Speaker 1: to throw anyone under the bus. I want to hear you,
Speaker 1: you know, Lily Bell going like ooh, I like taking
Speaker 1: a big dick, blah blah blah blah. But I went
Speaker 1: back for one girl and I found some stuff and
Speaker 1: I showed my wife, because she's my producer on the show.
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, you think I should play this clip?
Speaker 1: And it was just Edward and word and word and
Speaker 1: word enward and I was like, yeah, oh, and she
Speaker 1: laughed because I was joking. Obviously I'm not gonna play
Speaker 1: that fucking clip. But I bring it to the performer
Speaker 1: and off air, I said, hey, I have some clips
Speaker 1: for you to play. She goes, ooh, are any of
Speaker 1: them the race play stuff? And I said I said,
Speaker 1: I said no, and I explained the story I just
Speaker 1: told you, and she says to me, and I give
Speaker 1: her tons of fucking credit for this. She goes, if
Speaker 1: you have one, we could play it. I didn't. I
Speaker 1: didn't have one. There was no reason to pull it.
Speaker 1: But she goes, we could play it and we could
Speaker 1: talk about how things have changed in the industry and
Speaker 1: how that used to be acceptable among performers and this
Speaker 1: and that. Again, I won't call out that individual, but
Speaker 1: I think that's a good thing that times have changed
Speaker 1: in that way where we're a little more cognizant of it.
Speaker 1: But I do get scared when we get to the
Speaker 1: point of not wanting to categorize anything that it could
Speaker 1: hurt some performers who don't look as beautiful as Lily Bell,
Speaker 1: like BBW. I would fucking hate to be classified as BBW.
Speaker 1: But if it was getting me more work and I
Speaker 1: was a curveer woman, that kind of only benefits me,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: I think at the end of the day, or categories,
Speaker 2: people search up categories. That's always what it's going to
Speaker 2: come down to, you know. I think there's a way
Speaker 2: you can carry yourself in this industry where you're not
Speaker 2: stepping on toes, you know, doing too much of that.
Speaker 2: But of course, if you label some of your stuff
Speaker 2: in some ways, you know, I don't know. I think
Speaker 2: it's up to people's discretion. I think everybody has their
Speaker 2: own opinions on these things. You know. Obviously, if you're
Speaker 2: classifying things into racial stuff, you're going to probably make
Speaker 2: more money. Like it is just how it is. So
Speaker 2: you know, either you can yeah, don't do what you want.
Speaker 2: But like last thing I'll say is like about the
Speaker 2: race thing is how we also have come a long ways.
Speaker 2: I remember this one scene I did for dog Fart,
Speaker 2: and I don't care about talking about dog Fart because
Speaker 2: you know, they know what they've done. But they had
Speaker 2: a scene once where I basually I supposed to be
Speaker 2: looking through a sex shop. There's a DVD I picked
Speaker 2: up and I was like, literally, black girl, she there's
Speaker 2: Confederate flags all over the back of the thing, tons
Speaker 2: of white dudes, you know, like gang and I'm just like,
Speaker 2: you guys, probably should put this one in the back,
Speaker 2: Like this one is wild. Like I'm like I cannot
Speaker 2: believe that shit like this was made and like it
Speaker 2: was super normal, you know. But I guess, you know,
Speaker 2: we look at so much of our cinema, so much
Speaker 2: of our stuff that we used to look at and
Speaker 2: like like I'll watch you know, episodes of the Office,
Speaker 2: you know, like where he like hides under the desk,
Speaker 2: like when that one worker comes, you know, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: holy shit, you know, I'm like that's really rethe you know,
Speaker 2: But it's like things were different back then.
Speaker 1: They just were you know what you specifically talk about
Speaker 1: the unfortunately named dogfart dot com, which has so many
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. Uh, one of their umbrella,
Speaker 1: or the one of the sites underneath her umbrella was
Speaker 1: combang dot com. And that was I think the worst
Speaker 1: offender for everything you're talking about here. White dudes with
Speaker 1: a black girl, okay, blowbang uh, And I think it
Speaker 1: was Combang, I'm pretty sure, and all of them in
Speaker 1: Confederate shirts, and it was about how the girl's black
Speaker 1: boyfriend she did on them or something, so now she's
Speaker 1: gonna get revenge on them with white guy. I mean,
Speaker 1: they that's but I'll be honest with you though, when
Speaker 1: I was a kid eighteen years old, definitely not younger
Speaker 1: than that, I used to like seeing a hot black
Speaker 1: girl in a scene. So I would kind of look
Speaker 1: at it and be like, oh, that's weird. Those gentlemen
Speaker 1: must be from the South. Let's just continue on with this.
Speaker 2: See.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have changed since then, We've grown since then.
Speaker 1: I understand that if we could go back and digitally
Speaker 1: remove the Confederate flags, I'd be more comfortable going back
Speaker 1: and watching those videos again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it's funny. I I'll up you one
Speaker 2: and we'll see if you feel this ups you one.
Speaker 2: Do you know what the Blue Pill Group is? The
Speaker 2: Blue Man pill Group.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the blue Man pill Group is.
Speaker 1: I know what the blue so it's not the pill
Speaker 1: Man group.
Speaker 2: It's I think it's the Blue pill Man Group. Yeah. Anyway,
Speaker 2: if you look it up on Pornhub, just type that in,
Speaker 2: it'll come up. It's basically a group of old geriatric
Speaker 2: men and they're just like fucking the shit out of
Speaker 2: a girl, you know, and they'll do just like different things,
Speaker 2: and so it's a take on the you know, Blue
Speaker 2: Men of Vegas and then it's just you know, and
Speaker 2: they're really good at it. And it's wild because that
Speaker 2: was the first thing I was showing by my agent
Speaker 2: when I started. I remember I came to the office
Speaker 2: in Chatsworth and they showed me that and I was
Speaker 2: just like, so girls are doing things like that. I
Speaker 2: was like, is that something I'm gonna have to do?
Speaker 2: Like I just was like, holy shit, you know, but
Speaker 2: it's funny. Now I would totally do something like that,
Speaker 2: Like I would so do it. And it's yeah, like
Speaker 2: who cares. I think that that's fun and like old men,
Speaker 2: they know how to lay it down.
Speaker 1: Sure, well, how old are we talking? Last question? Then
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a break. We'll come back. How old
Speaker 1: are we talking about?
Speaker 2: I will leave in their high seventies, so.
Speaker 1: You'd be comfortable with that now I have Yeah.
Speaker 2: I've had sex with men that are in their seventies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and where'd you hide the body after you killed
Speaker 1: them with the heart attack?
Speaker 2: It's shocking. I think if you take care of yourself,
Speaker 2: you'd be surprised, you know. Yeah, there's definitely men that yeah,
Speaker 2: I think. Yeah, age is just a number when it
Speaker 2: comes to men's libido. Sometimes that's wild how they just
Speaker 2: can keep going for sure.
Speaker 1: All right, folks, we're gonna take one more break. My
Speaker 1: guest Lily Bell. Find her on only fans at Lily
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Speaker 1: ask you do you like being put in awkward positions?
Speaker 2: It depends I would say.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, let's try and put you in an awkward
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Speaker 1: a catch. You don't actually get to pick the individuals.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna spin these wheels which you can't see, but
Speaker 1: the folks at home are seeing the wheel spinning currently.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, those wheels are so cool. The graphics are awesome. Yeah. Anyway,
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Speaker 1: a guy. Your job while building this gangbang is to
Speaker 1: tell me who goes where and then give me your
Speaker 1: logic for it, Like did you pick this guy for
Speaker 1: your mouth because like, oh, he's got great abs, I'd
Speaker 1: love to stare at those abs. Or did you pick
Speaker 1: this guy for your ass because maybe like he seems
Speaker 1: like a small dick loser, like I wouldn't have to
Speaker 1: worry about that. Can I give you your participants in?
Speaker 2: Are you gonna guv with each like one? So I
Speaker 2: don't get lost?
Speaker 1: Oh, you won't get lost, You'll be totally fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, let's play lady's choice.
Speaker 2: Let's play lady's choice.
Speaker 1: Travis Kelce, Channing Tatum, Ed Kemper, Lily you a true
Speaker 1: crime fan? Little I d amn.
Speaker 2: I know a lot about Ed Kemper.
Speaker 1: Travis kelce Uh, you get to borrow him from Taylor
Speaker 1: for a while, and that's pretty solid. You know, maybe
Speaker 1: he never even goes back. Uh your actor Real Channing Tatum,
Speaker 1: mister magic Mike, am I right?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean look at the man the abs alone that
Speaker 1: didn't work. Uh. And your third guy, unfortunately is Ed Kemper.
Speaker 1: They're pros to him. He's six foot nine. I doubt
Speaker 1: we'll be able to use the little dick loser in
Speaker 1: this scenario. The cons are unfortunately he did murder ten people.
Speaker 1: Uh so, Lily Bell, if you would please give me
Speaker 1: your lady's choice selection Travis Kelce, Channing Tatum, and Ed Kemper.
Speaker 2: Okay, I really love that you chose a Kemper. I
Speaker 2: must save him for last I'm gonna put. I don't know,
Speaker 2: Travis kelcey, I don't even know if I have this
Speaker 2: feeling like he's such a little douchebag that I kind
Speaker 2: of would want to just like I feel like he's
Speaker 2: a big cuddle bug, like he almost would maybe want
Speaker 2: to have it up in his butt, and like I
Speaker 2: was thinking I'd give him my ass, but then I
Speaker 2: thought he probably maybe wants it up his you know,
Speaker 2: you never know. I would. I would, I would probably
Speaker 2: if anything, I think we would share buttholes together, Okay, fair,
Speaker 2: I would say that because I'm definitely saving my vagina
Speaker 2: for Channing because I have had a huge crush on him.
Speaker 2: I love him a lot, Like he's a big, big
Speaker 2: celebrity crush of mine. Magic mic step up anyway. With
Speaker 2: ed Kemper, I just feel like only fitting to choose
Speaker 2: my mouth slash throat because which I'm sure you know,
Speaker 2: he killed his mother and fucked her throat, and you know,
Speaker 2: she basically said to him the night before he killed her,
Speaker 2: he said, she said, I've never had sex because of you,
Speaker 2: you know, blah blah blah, and you know he goes,
Speaker 2: all right, I bet, And so he killed her and
Speaker 2: then sucked her throat and then said to her poetically,
Speaker 2: well now you have had sex.
Speaker 1: I believe that. I believe. At one point he also
Speaker 1: ripped the vocal cords out and said that bitch wouldn't
Speaker 1: shut up. I think is what he told the police.
Speaker 2: See. The only reason why I know of this is
Speaker 2: not because I watched like a documentary about him. It
Speaker 2: was that Netflix.
Speaker 1: Oh love it, give me a third fucking season.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It was really good, really good, so so good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're gonna wrap this up. I got a
Speaker 1: few other questions though that I want to talk about
Speaker 1: the future. What is coming up for you? Are there
Speaker 1: any major kinks of fetishes or types of scenes that
Speaker 1: you've yet to shoot that you're excited to shoot coming up?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean I I might. So I'm still planning
Speaker 2: to do my debut anal coming up here soon. I
Speaker 2: don't know when that's going to happen, but I think
Speaker 2: it's going to happen at some point, if not this year,
Speaker 2: next year. I know it's going to be happening before
Speaker 2: I'm thirty. So I'm twenty eight right now. Okay, So
Speaker 2: I'm going to get ready and excited for that. It's
Speaker 2: supposed to happen last year and then because of my whole
Speaker 2: medical thing, I wasn't able to still want to do
Speaker 2: a which McCall it a blowbang yet to do that.
Speaker 2: I did get to do my gang bang last year.
Speaker 2: What I really want to do for myself, which isn't
Speaker 2: even like super work related, like, yes, I want to
Speaker 2: do more features and things like that. And I did
Speaker 2: just do a really great feature for Digital Playground this year.
Speaker 2: It was really fun. And then I have a feature
Speaker 2: coming out for Cinema in the next month or so.
Speaker 2: I also have something for Playboy coming out in the
Speaker 2: next month or so. That's exciting. But really what I
Speaker 2: want to do is travel. Me and my friend Maya
Speaker 2: Wolf we were talking about going to Amsterdam for ex
Speaker 2: Viz in September, so I might go to New York
Speaker 2: before that, then go to Amsterdam, then go to Berlin.
Speaker 2: So I'm just like planning to do all of that.
Speaker 2: I just kind of want to travel to Europe again
Speaker 2: because I wanted to go last year and I wasn't
Speaker 2: able to go because I was shooting a feature.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't know the names of the companies exactly,
Speaker 1: but do you shoot in Europe ever or no?
Speaker 2: I have So the last time I was in Europe,
Speaker 2: I got flown out to shoot for the company Door Cell,
Speaker 2: and so I got to be in Paris and shoot
Speaker 2: for them, and then I got to stay an extra
Speaker 2: week and just kind of fuck around and that was fun.
Speaker 1: Where's the crazy hardcore place? Not like violent or anything
Speaker 1: like that. But is it prog or Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Frog and Budapest? Yes, okay, and it is Czech Republic?
Speaker 2: Is that them? Like you?
Speaker 1: I mean, I barely know where Pennsylvania is. I'm in
Speaker 1: New Jersey, so yeah, sure in that region is where
Speaker 1: they do all the crazy stuff. I believe you've shot
Speaker 1: a VR scene before, right, am?
Speaker 2: A lot? Oh god, a lot?
Speaker 1: What is different about that shooting wise? Being you? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it seems like is it a hassle to you? You
Speaker 1: almost look like, oh, it's exhausting.
Speaker 2: Really, yeah, it's exhausting. I'm not the biggest stand of
Speaker 2: shooting VR. Yes, I like shooting it because aesthetically for
Speaker 2: my fans, it's a lot of people love jerking off
Speaker 2: to VR. I I've dated a few guys that love
Speaker 2: jerking off to VR. Yeah, so it's just uh. I
Speaker 2: I definitely like it for that reason because I like
Speaker 2: pleasing my fans. But as far as like my pleasure goes,
Speaker 2: it's very robotic for us. You know, the guy cannot
Speaker 2: talk to me, he cannot really touch me or move
Speaker 2: that much or else the camera will move. You know,
Speaker 2: I have to make sure that I'm covering penetration. So
Speaker 2: a lot of times I can't rub myself, Like if
Speaker 2: I'm rubbing myself when I'm in Doggie, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: not able to turn my face very well because I'm rubbing,
Speaker 2: So then I'm not able to then pleasure myself because
Speaker 2: then I'm supposed to be giving a full performance. And
Speaker 2: then if I'm rubbing myself in Missionary, a lot of
Speaker 2: times you might not be able to see penetration that well. Right,
Speaker 2: So it's like there's some you know. So it's just
Speaker 2: it's more robotic for me. But it is fun to
Speaker 2: do some costplays like I always find those fun. Like
Speaker 2: I just got a little award from BIZOUI that was
Speaker 2: cool for this, like Katherine Catherine the great costplays I did.
Speaker 2: And then I did like a rinera Targarian one last
Speaker 2: year that I wanted to award for and that.
Speaker 1: Was cool, very cool. So Your Digital Underground the four
Speaker 1: episode feature Cards on the Table. It's been a massive hit,
Speaker 1: and I believe the fourth and final episode is out
Speaker 1: now if people want to check that out. Do you
Speaker 1: like the acting aspect of porn? Do you like? Do
Speaker 1: you like it to the point that it would same money,
Speaker 1: same prestige level of website. One is more gonzo, one
Speaker 1: is acting. Would you pick the acting over the other
Speaker 1: one or no?
Speaker 2: Well, so here's the thing. I mean, it depends, like
Speaker 2: each company's different. You know, for Lass cinema, when the
Speaker 2: the acting is very real throughout the whole movie, it's
Speaker 2: not porno acting. So when the sex happens, it's very
Speaker 2: much like it's part of the story. It's kind of
Speaker 2: like you're watching an HBO show and then the sex happens,
Speaker 2: but instead of you just seeing like ten to fifteen
Speaker 2: seconds of softcore, now you're actually getting to see like
Speaker 2: fifteen to twenty five minutes of real sex, and then
Speaker 2: the story just continues seamlessly, you know, yea to the
Speaker 2: next scene, which I really love. You know, with Digital Playground,
Speaker 2: it's a little more choppy. It's a little bit more
Speaker 2: like a regular sex feature, where like the acting doesn't
Speaker 2: really matter as much. Yes, it's a factor, but the
Speaker 2: sex scenes are really what matters, and they're way more gonzo,
Speaker 2: Like I bring a lot of gonzo factor to my
Speaker 2: feature sex scenes. I definitely, but like with less Cinema,
Speaker 2: I don't like. I definitely am more like loving and
Speaker 2: passionate and where like the sex scene that's gonna come
Speaker 2: out for this lest cinema feature, it's way more like
Speaker 2: me and Nathan are having sex at home. It's like
Speaker 2: you're really seeing us have sex. We're not opening up
Speaker 2: to camera. We're we're literally not aware of a camera
Speaker 2: like in feature films. I'm very aware of the camera,
Speaker 2: but with LUs I don't have to be, which is
Speaker 2: you know, really great.
Speaker 1: You have done a lot of these scenes in the past,
Speaker 1: and I believe it probably stems from your relationship. As
Speaker 1: you said, do Girl Girl scenes sell Do they sell well?
Speaker 2: I love shooting Girl Girl. Unfortunately they don't sell well
Speaker 2: for me on my platform. I wish they did. I
Speaker 2: know it does work for some girls, and it sucks
Speaker 2: because I love shooting it. So if I'm gonna shoot
Speaker 2: with a girl, it's because I really want to fuck her.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but if for companies it sells well, I
Speaker 2: sell well for companies for Girl Girl, but not my
Speaker 2: only fans.
Speaker 1: No, I uh, I've talked to my wife about this before.
Speaker 1: I'm likely gonna die young. We've talked about how people
Speaker 1: who stay healthy and everything can go into their seventies
Speaker 1: and fuck uh not me. But I've talked to my
Speaker 1: wife about this before, and she's bisexual. I would say.
Speaker 1: She said, if I were to die, it would only
Speaker 1: be girls from now on and not like a insecurity issue,
Speaker 1: like let me just reassure him, because I told her,
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, go out and get some dick and
Speaker 1: make sure they're rich too. If something happens to me,
Speaker 1: If you could only be with guys or girls the
Speaker 1: rest of your life, what would you pick.
Speaker 2: That's so hard because I've been having kind of an
Speaker 2: interesting thing in my sexuality recently, where like, I want
Speaker 2: more than anything to be a lesbian, Like I truly
Speaker 2: like that would make my life so much easier. I'm
Speaker 2: not the biggest fan of men in general, you know,
Speaker 2: but I'm very attractive to them, and I really like
Speaker 2: them a lot in a lot of ways. But as
Speaker 2: far as, like, you know, socially and the things that
Speaker 2: I've dealt with in sex work, you know, I've kind of,
Speaker 2: you know, I had a little bit of a you know,
Speaker 2: viewpoint on some things, and so unfortunately I am very straight,
Speaker 2: so I would have to say that I would just
Speaker 2: be with men for the rest of my life. But
Speaker 2: if I'm not having sex, Oh, it's just so hard
Speaker 2: because I wish I was a lesbian so bad. I
Speaker 2: just want, you know, but it's like I do brave
Speaker 2: dick like it is. And then but it's like you
Speaker 2: met you men, like not all you men?
Speaker 1: That sounds better, No, every dude mostly don't. Don't you
Speaker 1: go ahead?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've dealt with some shit and it's it's crazy,
Speaker 2: and like, you know, you guys are very visual creatures.
Speaker 2: You're very you like variety. You know, It's it's tough
Speaker 2: growing up in this like mindset of thinking things are
Speaker 2: going to be like what you see in movies, and
Speaker 2: then you realize it relationships aren't really like that and
Speaker 2: it's real life. And then you know, then trying to
Speaker 2: have a relationship realizing that and then also doing what
Speaker 2: I do. You know, it's you know, I think if
Speaker 2: I date another guy, I would want a date a
Speaker 2: guy that isn't a fan of my friends. I want it,
Speaker 2: like I'm cool. If you watch porn, that's fine. I
Speaker 2: know that it's just something that happens. I know there's
Speaker 2: a lot of girls out there that are like, no,
Speaker 2: like if you watch porn, like we can't date. Here's
Speaker 2: the thing, Like I've watched it, so it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: it's fine, Do I watch it now? No, but I
Speaker 2: prefer like, if I bring you around, you might see
Speaker 2: a girl. Oh yeah, I kind of recognize her, but
Speaker 2: I don't want you to know where by name?
Speaker 1: Fair enough? Yeah, oh that's it. Yeah, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: that's fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Last question for you, is there an exit plan or
Speaker 1: are you gonna be Granny Gilf Lily Bell takes b
Speaker 1: well BBC obviously we would put on there giant.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah right yeah at that point, grand like just
Speaker 2: say all of it. I don't care.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Well, your progressive opinion now forty years from
Speaker 1: now will shift and say something horrendous. So is there
Speaker 1: an exit plan?
Speaker 2: You know, that's such an interesting question. I just always
Speaker 2: see myself and sex work. I don't really know what
Speaker 2: my I'm like nervously picking out my brush. You know,
Speaker 2: this question is always interesting. I always saw myself being
Speaker 2: a mill carrying out being someone like that is in
Speaker 2: the industry for ten plus years, you know, really being
Speaker 2: able to live off my name. As time has moved on,
Speaker 2: the industry isn't what it used to be. The household
Speaker 2: porn star name doesn't really hold the same as it
Speaker 2: used to, you know, the only fans thing changed a
Speaker 2: lot of stuff, So I I don't know. I would
Speaker 2: eventually do things behind the camera a little bit. I
Speaker 2: don't know if that's where I'll stay. I have done
Speaker 2: some scriptwriting. I do enjoy that. I see myself always
Speaker 2: in sex work. Somehow, some way, I've wanted to do
Speaker 2: some talent liaison work, and I think that that would
Speaker 2: be really beneficial for me because I am a talent.
Speaker 2: So I think a lot of talent would trust me
Speaker 2: to be a talent liaison because I'm not coming from
Speaker 2: you know, no knowledge. I definitely would probably take some courses,
Speaker 2: though I've also even thought about school again in some
Speaker 2: kind of way. The reason why I didn't go to
Speaker 2: school is because I felt like it was like I
Speaker 2: had to do it for my parents and do it
Speaker 2: for my family, and do it because I was proving
Speaker 2: stuff to other people. And now if I went back
Speaker 2: to school, it's because I'd be doing it for me
Speaker 2: and what I want to learn I just be really
Speaker 2: scared about like all of the student loans, like, because
Speaker 2: once you start, you can't really stop. So it's like
Speaker 2: i'd really want to make sure that I know what
Speaker 2: I'm doing. So I don't really know what my exit
Speaker 2: plan is. I don't know if I have one. I
Speaker 2: guess I just trust that whatever happens to me happens.
Speaker 2: And I've been so successful so far, so I just
Speaker 2: kind of am gonna trust it to sex success will
Speaker 2: follow me as it has so far.
Speaker 1: I think it's a perfect answer. My guest tonight was
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Speaker 2: Thank you