Speaker 1: Thank you, ladies and gentlemen for checking out Going Deeper.
I'm your host, Matt, and I've got a great show
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Underscore Bell xxx. Ladies and gentlemen, join me and welcoming
to the show, the Lovely Lily Bell Lily. How are
you tonight?
Speaker 2: I'm good, I'm really good.
Speaker 1: Uh So can you take me through just as quickly
as you want? Your entrance into the adult film street
or any kind of adult work in general. I don't
know if you started with camming or stripping or video.
What was your path into this industry.
Speaker 2: Well, you're kind of right on with that assessment. I
started with camming. I was told by another performer named
Cameron Canila that if you have never dipped your toe
in any type of sex work, it's probably best to
do something of that nature before, just like doing straight
up porn. You know, I think if you're like a
super giant slut and like a true born slut, I
think you can jump jump into porn. For sure, there's
some that we see that can just do that. But
I wasn't a super promiscuous person, so I think it
was important that I started doing sex work in a
different way. And then yeah, start with camming. Then I
moved on to stripping, and then I started doing it
out here and yeah, it's a it's a cool little
story how that happened. I had two roommates that I
basically got off rooms to, and then we all started
camming together. And I let them know that I cam
you know, I said, I do this and you'll hear
these moans throughout the day, so it's important that you
know that. And she said, oh, do you make a
lot of money with that? And then she wanted to start,
and then we got my other friend to start, and
then my other friend started stripping. I was in a
relationship at the time, so I couldn't be doing that
in my relationship. After we broke up, she's like, do
you want to try stripping? And I said sure, and
so we both started, and then the other friend, who
was late to the camming, she was like, Okay, I'll
strip and what's funny about this is I think me
and that first friend we don't strip at all anymore,
and then that one friend she still strips to this day.
Speaker 1: Okay, so there you how much of a different beast
are all three of those things? Because I've interviewed a
bunch of strippers this week, and I've talked to them
and they say, or girls, sorry, non bunch of shippers,
a bunch of porn stars who are now trying to
get into feature dancing, and they're saying, like, there's two types.
Some are just like, yeah, I'm all for it, jump in,
and then there's some who are like, there's a difference
between camming or being on a closed set and being
in a bar where some guy smashes a bottle over
someone's head over here and has to be carried out.
Going from camming to stripping, was that like a huge
jump for you or was it exciting? Were you nervous
at all? Did you get into a good club early
on or did you have to kind of work your
way up that route as well?
Speaker 2: So you know, out of I've done every angle of
sex work that there is, and stripping is definitely was
the hardest on you. Mentally, I would say it's like,
I don't know, it's just I would say that the
customers would rather say sorry than ask for permission. There's
a lot of just your constant boundaries having to be
told over and over and over again. I've found in
other sex work, I don't have to constantly put up
my boundaries all the time. A lot of times too,
you're doing fifty first days, so you're hearing a lot
of really intense stories. I'm really empathetic, so I'm not
really a shark in the on the floor. I'm very
much sorry. My dog's coming over here.
Speaker 1: No, it's okay.
Speaker 2: I'm so I'll sit there and listen to your life
story for a bit. And all of a sudden, I've
wasted like an hour, you know.
Speaker 1: And got no dance out of it, and like a
five dollar tip. And it's like, what the fuck did
I just do?
Speaker 2: And so you say to them, like, straight up, I'll go,
I work on tips and tips alone, I would, He's
like panting right at the books. I work on tips
and tips alone, So I would really, and and my
time is money, you know, I only have, you know,
wasted an hour out of my five hour shift. I
would say this more eloquently than that, but I would appreciate,
you know, if you would pay me for my time.
And you know, the worst thing that they can say
is just no. And you know because if you and
so they will, they'll strip to be like no, and
you're like got it and then you move on and yeah,
but anyway, there's more questions that you asked me in
that first it's okay.
Speaker 1: I generally the way I do it is I kind
of tommy gun out questions and whatever you grab, we'd
just roll from there. Uh, that's kind of how this
show goes. Yeah, do you have an incident that stands
out in your mind from stripping? When you may have
recognized a guy who doesn't want to spend with a
party And I think we both know the type of
guy we're talking about, Like, say a bachelor party's there,
there's one guy all the way in the back, far
away from the stage, drinking beers. Have you ever quote
unquote turned a guy where maybe you see someone who's
not interested in spending money and then on the second
trip to the ATM, you're like, oh, I got this fucker.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I think that happens all the time. I mean,
I think that's constant, you have so many. And then
I think a big factor, unfortunately is liquor. You know,
if people have liquor flowing, that definitely changes people's perductions.
And yeah, I don't know, it's interesting I've had, you know,
and I have to admit too, like a lot of
times while I was at the strip club, like I was,
I'm gonna show you my dog just like you.
Speaker 1: Oh he looks like my dog.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a golden. Do you have a golden?
Speaker 1: I have a golden named Charlie. He's a terror.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a terror too. We have that in common. Yeah,
but where was I going with that? Was I just
about to say?
Speaker 1: I don't know, But if I really wanted to be
a scumbag and clickbait this, I would just put Lily
Bell and Dog as the title of a YouTube clip
and we'd be off, like we'd be running.
Speaker 2: Let's not do that.
Speaker 1: Uh, turning a guy who maybe didn't want to spend
money at a strip. Yes, you have a do you
have a method to start convincing? Is it not in
a negative way? Is it a hassling thing? Is it?
I mean, you're just sitting here by yourself, Why don't
we just go?
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, I definitely. I think as time went on,
I got more aggressive. I think you also have to
feel out everybody's personality. Like some people are way more timid.
Some people don't want to do that. Like my friend
she would always go after couples, and like I never
went after couples. Like I always felt that there was
a very awkward sense sometimes like they're like that maybe
the girl didn't want to be there and the guy did,
and so then we're in the back room and I
can just sense that. And you know, I always go
to the female first. That's something I always do. You
always make the female feel comfortable first. I always want
to make sure that like I'm catering to that if
that is happening. But then I can tell sometimes that
like she doesn't want that or want to be there,
and I'm just like, oh, this is really awkward. But
most of the guys that are in the strip club
usually are there because they want to be there. Like,
I'm gonna be honest. With bachelor parties, that's not something
I normally would attack. I wouldn't go for a party.
A lot of bachelor guys are there to spend money
at the rack. A lot of them aren't there to
like go in the back and spend a lot of
money dancing. So I would usually pick someone, I guess
in the back, and usually if you're sitting in the back,
you're kind of wanting to come up and be talked to.
And sometimes you have dudes that are like major strip
club dudes, and they sit there in the back and
it's kind of a power thing for them, like they
get to pick the girl. They have girl after girl
after girl coming up to them and they say no, no, no,
and then finally then they get to pick who they want,
you know. So it's definitely they're the big guy in
the room and they can be that whenever they go
right right.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. Yeah, what you said there about guys wanting
to be there and guys showing up. It's a difference
between if I want to find real golfers, I'll go
to a golf course. If I go to top golf,
I'm gonna possibly just see casuals who are hanging out
right m h. The little research I have done because
I was not a good student, tells me you are
a speedgler. Girl. I had heard the name Spiegler before
in the industry, but I did a little research today.
What goes into being a Spiegler girl. It seems like
it's kind of the most prestigious agency to be a
part of. And I spoke to a girl earlier this
week and I laid out all of my conditions that
I would need if I was a beautiful porn girl. Look,
I need a contract, a deposit, I need a flight
paid for, I need this that, blah blah blah. And
obviously the girl laughed in my face and said it's
not like that. And then at the end she goes, well,
unless maybe you're a Spiegler girl, And I get stuck
in my head. I'm like, oh, so that's Goldman Sachs.
It seems like that's the top of the top. How
did you become a Spiegler girl? And what goes into
remaining a Spiegler girl.
Speaker 2: So my journey with feelers kind of interesting. I remember
watching Sasha Gray on Tyra Banks when I was younger,
and she was with Spiegler at the time. He came
with her to that interview like on TV and everything,
and you know, they just painted her in this like
awful light, they made her dress like this church girl,
and like, I don't know, I just remember Sasha really
holding her own and just telling Tyrus straight up like
you aren't the judge of what makes one woman feel
empowered versus another, you know, So just because other women
don't feel empowered by doing that doesn't mean that others might.
And I think another important thing that I have said
on other podcasts I just want to throw in there
is that so not all sex work has to be empowering,
Like sex work can just be work, can just be
a job. So I think sometimes there's always this thing
of like, oh, we have to like female power, and
it's like yeah, for sure, but it is also just
a job anyway. So with Spieler, I remember I called
him back in like twenties seventeen. I would say he
had like Gina Valentina still living in his home, I think,
and he was just like, you know, I still am
for wanting girls, you know, to do anal I'm wanting
you know, that type of thing. And I just remember
being like, I don't think I'm ready for that. And
I just remember hanging up the phone and be like
I don't think I can do that. And so then
you know, I went with OC about a year or
two later because I was still in a relationship, and
so I just put the porn thing away. I was like,
you're gonna be with this guy. You're gonna, you know,
do your thing. And my parents were like, little, You're
gonna have to choose, like between this lifestyle that you're living,
like you're not gonna always be able to just like
be a secret person online and like, and then they
were right, you know. And so then eventually, when my
relationship ended, I was like, okay, let's just go off.
But I was already signed to OC. And so when
I was signed to OC, you know, I just was
girl girling solo. Then I wasn't anymore. I did boy girl.
I did OC for three years, finished my contract. The
person I was dating at the time, he's good friends
with Spieler and also you know, our director, and he said,
you know, I see you being with him, you should
be with him. And I said, okay, you know, I'm
ready for that next step. I'm ready to go further.
So I on my contract is up. So I called him,
and you know, it didn't happen right away like that
you know it was you know, he has sometimes where
he's like, well, call me back on this month, you know.
So then I called back and it doesn't happen. So
I called back on two times. And then after the
two times it didn't, you know, I was like, all right,
I'm not going to call. And then avn happened. And
I came back and I was waiting for my Postmates
and I thought my postmates was outside calling me and
I answered and I but there wasn't my Postmates. It
was George Spiegler's person, and he said, I want you
to be part of the agency. And I was kind
of shocked because I was the one barking up the tree,
you know, the last couple of months, and then they
didn't grab me. So then to have them call me,
I was like okay, And I was like what you know? Sure,
you know I closed that door. I mean it wasn't
fully closed, but why not. And then I've been with
him for a year and that first year was rough.
I had a lot of medical things happened. It was
very unfortunate. But ever since I healed from all that,
I've had a great time with them. It's been so
beneficial to be with them.
Speaker 1: Sure. Sure, I've heard interviews with him where he says
he looks for beautiful, professional perverted. So it seems like
maybe you had the first two and we were just
waiting on you getting a little more. You should have
picked up the phone like, Hey, George, sorry, I'm about
to fuck the pizza guy. If you just give me
a sec I'll get back to you. Blah blah blah, Like, yeah,
throw it out there. But I'm glad I was not perverted.
Speaker 2: Yet, So I think it was best that I didn't
go with Spiegler right away. I think I think that
things happened for a reason. I got flooded the fuck
out when I started coming out here to La so
like that, just like that journey for me really happened
with n OC and then I think when I was
ready to go to Spiegler, it really was time. And
I am happy that I think that. Yeah, I look
back on it that that's I think, that's good how
it happened.
Speaker 1: You said something in there that was interesting. You said
you actually went to your parents and talked about that,
so your parents know what you do. Comfortable with it? Supportive, Yeah,
I read you grew up in Portland.
Speaker 2: I believe Beaverton technically, but like most of my adult
life in Portland.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, little weird up in that area in a
good way. Okay, Yeah. Did that contribute to an upraising
or is that the right word? Yeah? An upraising? Now
when you were growing up, did that being in that
kind of environment a more and I don't mean this
politically like liberal, a little more progressive of everybody environment.
Maybe that was your town, maybe it wasn't. Did that
make it easier to get into stuff like this? I
went to twelve years of Catholic school. I have nothing
but sexual shame. So so I can't imagine even going
to my parents and being like I'm doing this now
and then being like, I am so proud of your
new ten thousand followers.
Speaker 2: You know, my parents were. Here's the thing. I think
it wasn't just like I just threw porn in their face.
It was started out with camming and it went to
stripping like it was like they were slightly introduced, you know,
as time went on. Interestingly enough, though I'd only had
been camming for like a little bit when I had
talked to Spiegler right away, and so I talked to
my stepdad about it, and he was pretty supportive about it,
shockingly because he knew who Spiegeler was and he just said,
you know, lil if this is what you want to
do with your life, you know, we can't stop you.
You're an adult and we just want you to be
safe and we want you to you know, live your life.
And my mom, for me, what she always wanted was
she wanted me to like live in some rap shit
apartment in New York audition for Broadway. And that's like
all I do all the time, like with a bunch
of girls. That's like what she envisioned for me for
my life. So like with her, like in a way,
I think she kind of is happy that I'm like
doing something that's like shiny and bright in some way,
you know, which is happy for her. And then also
she's earned. She was the hardest to convince, like the camming.
I remember we went on a trip to Mexico and
was telling her about it and she was crying and
she was upset, and I think, you know, it's it's
not just it's a reflection on her. What did Like
what are people gonna think, Oh my god, I'm gonna
have to tell them what you're doing. Oh my god,
they're gonna think what did I do wrong in my
own line of parenting to cause you to thray to
do this, And it's like, not that deep. It's not
like that. You know. My mom was an amazing parent,
so was my stepdad. I had parents around me all
the time. They raised me very well. Sometimes people do
just choose to do these things. And I, like I said,
I wasn't a big sluck growing up. You know, I
only had sex with seven people prior to getting into
the industry, So I don't know. I just was kind
of looking at it, and I was in a relationship.
I was like, this can't be the last penis I'm
gonna be with, Like, there's no way, and it wasn't.
Speaker 1: So yeah, thankfully. Yeah, we're going to take a break
and we'll be right back. My guest today, Lily Bell.
You can find her own OnlyFans at Lily underscore Bell
xxx and links to all of our social media is
in the episode description. When We're back with my guest Today,
Lily Bell. You can find her on only fans at
Lily Underscore Bell xxx. Lily, how are you now? You
said something there and I want to touch on it
real quick earlier before the break about your mom wanting
you to go to New York and becoming a you know,
struggling Broadway actor, and there's like a level of quote
unquote respectability about that. Right. Was your mom an artist?
Was she just did she always want you to just
be a little superstar or how did that come about?
Speaker 2: Well? I went to an art school growing up, so
I think that was a big influence on it. And
then we loved Broadway together. She wasn't a big artist.
I think she just loved the movie fame and just
really was like into that, you know. And then when
I started going to art school, she probably was like, oh,
you know, like this could be something, you know, And yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well look I'm going to ask some stuff out
for you. Our game today is called porn Words. I'm
gonna give you ten words. I'm gonna act them out
for you. I can't say the word at all in
the answer. You can pass at any time, and if
there's a time on the clock, we'll go back and
check the ones you missed. Okay, because your world for
miss porn Star, I'm putting sixty nine seconds on the
clock and you'll have ten seconds or ten questions to answer.
These are all horn related categories. So anything I'm doing here,
it's not gonna be you know, blue Jay, it's gonna
be something related. So I'm gonna put the time on
the clock and I'm gonna begin. Now, what's this? Okay?
Number two? Oral sex on a guy?
Speaker 2: Well, what am I supposed to say to that?
Speaker 1: You could say anything. I'll tell you if you're right
or wrong.
Speaker 2: Oh splacio, Nope, keep going ahead.
Speaker 1: There you go. Number three a kink or fetish. No,
I fucked it up. Nope, I fucked it up. You
get a point for that. It was fetish. Number four,
brand new to the industry.
Speaker 2: A new girl.
Speaker 1: No type of category, brand new to the industry.
Speaker 2: Oh new, new, new blood, new starlet.
Speaker 1: Easier, easier than all that. Not young, not teen, brand new.
Speaker 2: New bile, barely legal.
Speaker 1: I skip next one. I just drank a whole bunch
of water. Now I have to There you go. Number six,
I'm a woman. I just drank a bunch of water.
This came out of me. I don't know if this
is p squirt. Okay. Seven? Uh uh, taking money from somebody?
Taking money in the industry. No, it's a type. Uh
tell me, uh, the the Dominatrix. No times up, time
is up, damn Finn doom.
Speaker 2: Oh that I wouldn't have gotten that.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, uh for a tie breaker, because I'm gonna
have people compete against each other according to I a
f D dot com. Okay, Adult Film Database dot com. Yeah,
how many? And then just for the audience that they
know this probably doesn't count, like OnlyFans collaborations or this,
and that. We're just going off this number for the tiebreaker.
How many male performers have you worked with? And I
will be packaging this and sending it to your religious
leader back home, whoever that may be.
Speaker 2: Oh god, I would say like sixty something.
Speaker 1: She was like sixty ninety one. Wow, yeah, and nine
away from triple digits. That's pretty solid.
Speaker 2: And you know that's not even counting. No, Like, I
don't know if they catch everybody, like, because I've already
fucked a couple people that they might not like. I Like,
like I fucked someone in Miami where scene's not out
yet that I've never had sex with, So that that's
ninety two.
Speaker 1: Sure, Oh yeah, that's that's true. We're not doing this
as a tool body counting over.
Speaker 2: At one hundred. Well, as far as male performers, I
think I might because I fucked a few new people
with scenes that haven't been out yet, So I think
I might be almost set one hundred.
Speaker 1: Now that's solid sold.
Speaker 2: Because that's the thing with male talent that's interesting is
sometimes you start getting repeat people you know. But if you're.
Speaker 1: Traveling, sure, these only count people individually, so one name
might count for three four. Yeah, your own content, your
own only fans, your own However, you sell content, which
again links everything in the episode description. What type of
content do you like to produce for yourself?
Speaker 2: Well, what sells for me is me having sex a
lot of times with someone that has a very large
penis that is usually a different skin color than me.
Trying to find a politically correct way to say that.
Speaker 1: Let me pause you on the politically correct because I've
talked to some other girls. I've to black performers, white performers,
I've talked to whatever people don't like sometimes terms like
interracial or BBC or anything like that. And I've spoken
to male black performers who just say, like, I don't
give a shit whatsoever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't really care.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you get caught up in any of that
or is there an understanding that like this is a
progressive industry in general, and just if we use terminology
it's for a different reason. Maybe not, Maybe that's not
how they feel. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I come from a very politically correct
part of the world. I'm from Portland, so like I
have a special need, sister, I have a gay father.
I will never say things like, you know, I come
out here, people say the word retarded all the time.
I would get in so much trouble back home in
my household if I said something like that, like you
can't you know, but I also grew up around some
a different environment, you know, and then also having a
gay dad, I would never say that's so gay, it's interesting,
like you know, that type of upbringing, so you know. Also,
I am an activist, so like I definitely wouldn't ever
use like any race play like I just and I remember,
I will admit, on the beginning days of sex Panther,
I would have guys that would call me that would
do race play and it just left me with a
funny feeling. And so I remember like I told this dude,
you know, after like the BLM movement, you know, was
really intense, and I did some marching and stuff, and
you know, I guess a lot of girls basically like
had this major thing where they were like, we're not
doing race play anymore. And I think that burst a
lot of stuff, which is good, but it upset a
lot of people. And then this dude just bitched me
out on the phone and was so pissed and said, oh,
you fucking sluts not doing this anymore, just so bad
at me. And I was like, well, I think he's
getting a lot of girls that are doing this right now.
But it's just like, yeah, I would never participate in
I would listen to it, and I just I don't know.
It's just interesting. Also, I never knew that it was
such a big thing, Like prior to getting in the industry,
I didn't know that there were white guys that fantasized
about black men like that. I didn't realize that that
was even a thing, right, So it just was kind
of a shock to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, it's it's it's an odd thing
because again I have spoken to black performers before, and
some of them are what I would expect, like race play.
Fuck out of here. No, like I'll start swinging on
you if you want some race play, and that's fine.
You know, anyone can do. My opinion on sex in
general is just that anyone could do whatever they want
to do as long as there's no kids or dogs
in the rooms. To the golden in there. Uh, that's
not my business, you know, I don't care, stay out
of it. But yeah, it's weird, because it's not weird,
it's just whatever. I've spoken to male black performers and
they're like, yeah, I don't give a shit whatever you
call me, whatever you want, I'm inside you. But then
from an acting standpoint, in a sense, you have to
be comfortable with it. On the other side, So even
though there here's.
Speaker 2: What I see, I think, uh, I see Asian girls
obviously using their Asian hair, you know, culture to you know,
promote themselves in that way, which I think they're able
to do that because they're Asian. Sure, and so that
makes sense if I all of a sudden am like
I'm shooting with this hot Asian girl, Like, it's a
little different if a white person is doing it. So
like if I'm doing race play and saying I'm shooting
with this BBC, Like it just looks bad. But like
if a black person is talking about themselves in that way,
I feel like that doesn't look bad. They can say
whatever they want because that's their culture and they're able
to say what they want. So it's kind of I
guess that's kind of where I lean with it, Like
I wouldn't, yeah, because like it's not like they're saying
to me like, oh, you t have tight white whatever,
like they're they're not really doing that to me, so
and they're not, and I don't see a lot of
my I guess maybe I haven't checked. I'm like, I
I guess they do when I companies label me white
like that, But I don't know if I see other
male talents doing that to me that are black that
I work with, I'm not sure. Yeah, it's interesting everywhere.
Speaker 1: We had a little tech issue, not a big deal.
You you were saying though about how you're not normally
labeled as white performer Lily Bell. You know it's and
I think that's a totally fair point. Is very weird,
go ahead, Sorry.
Speaker 2: I definitely got thrown into that though, Like I would.
I wouldn't say that like I, but like I definitely
got thrown into the snow bunny category for sure, And
I didn't know that that was going to be what
my thing was going to be, you know, Like I
didn't know that. Yeah. So it's interesting when you get
thrown into something and you're like, oh, okay.
Speaker 1: It's weird. We've had this large cultural shift in language too.
Write like you don't have an issue performing with black
male performers, Yeah, but you might or other people might,
or anything else. If they just put a simple white
girl gets destroyed by BBC, it's a little bit like, uh,
I mean, you can't even say Lily Bell and Isaiah
Maxwell or whoever it is. But if you go back
in the history of it, this industry was using the
word tranny like it was nothing for the longest time
for transperformers. At the same time they were giving transperformers work.
So it's a real weird dichotomy where we're moving towards
a thing where we need to be more conscious of language,
which can get a little scary and a little dangerous
if we pushed too far. But I do think we
need to have a little more cognizance of who we're
talking about. When we're talking about we don't have to
nest necessarily classify everything to a small category. Tiny white
girl gets destroyed. It's not necessary, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear you on that. I think you know. Uh,
it's interesting because you know, I had a situation with
the company where basically, uh, I showed up on set
the script was not sent to me prior. They basically
want me to do major race play. Say BBC say
things like this. I say, I'm not saying things like this.
I said never when I've worked for Doghart or Black
or any of that never made me say these things.
I'm not saying it. The girl director looked at me
and goes, well, it's not like I'm making you say
the N word, and he said it with the hardy
R and I was like whoa. And he's like, I've
changed a script now, and he got all mad and
then changed it and he goes, how about how about
you say this? Is it true what they say once
you go black? You never? I go, no, that's still
race play. I'm not doing that right, And then uh,
he was such a dick the whole thing. And then
he made he packed up the whole set, made us
wait on the couch, didn't give us our checks for
like forty five minutes, you know, and then what happens
when that DVD comes out? My face right next to
like Lily Bell takes BBC like literally what you were saying?
My face right there? I was like, you know what
he thought? He goes, bet that bitch doesn't want to
do race play, I'm gonna put your face right next
to that word and you are not gonna be able
to do anything about it. And that's exactly what he did.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you, is that guy no listed
from now into eternity or are you comfortable working with
that person again?
Speaker 2: Not the male talent male talent free the director. I
don't think I would work for that company again. No. Yeah,
and it's it's it's an older company. It's it's a
company that's been around for for a while. But I
mean we've come a long way. I mean we used to.
I mean people used to say the N word, you know,
when it used to happen. I don't know if you
remember Mow the Monster I do.
Speaker 1: I do a show called I Said what or a
segment called I said, what right, And I go back
and I pull old clips and the idea is never
to throw anyone under the bus. I want to hear you,
you know, Lily Bell going like ooh, I like taking
a big dick, blah blah blah blah. But I went
back for one girl and I found some stuff and
I showed my wife, because she's my producer on the show.
I was like, hey, you think I should play this clip?
And it was just Edward and word and word and
word enward and I was like, yeah, oh, and she
laughed because I was joking. Obviously I'm not gonna play
that fucking clip. But I bring it to the performer
and off air, I said, hey, I have some clips
for you to play. She goes, ooh, are any of
them the race play stuff? And I said I said,
I said no, and I explained the story I just
told you, and she says to me, and I give
her tons of fucking credit for this. She goes, if
you have one, we could play it. I didn't. I
didn't have one. There was no reason to pull it.
But she goes, we could play it and we could
talk about how things have changed in the industry and
how that used to be acceptable among performers and this
and that. Again, I won't call out that individual, but
I think that's a good thing that times have changed
in that way where we're a little more cognizant of it.
But I do get scared when we get to the
point of not wanting to categorize anything that it could
hurt some performers who don't look as beautiful as Lily Bell,
like BBW. I would fucking hate to be classified as BBW.
But if it was getting me more work and I
was a curveer woman, that kind of only benefits me,
you know.
Speaker 2: I think at the end of the day, or categories,
people search up categories. That's always what it's going to
come down to, you know. I think there's a way
you can carry yourself in this industry where you're not
stepping on toes, you know, doing too much of that.
But of course, if you label some of your stuff
in some ways, you know, I don't know. I think
it's up to people's discretion. I think everybody has their
own opinions on these things. You know. Obviously, if you're
classifying things into racial stuff, you're going to probably make
more money. Like it is just how it is. So
you know, either you can yeah, don't do what you want.
But like last thing I'll say is like about the
race thing is how we also have come a long ways.
I remember this one scene I did for dog Fart,
and I don't care about talking about dog Fart because
you know, they know what they've done. But they had
a scene once where I basually I supposed to be
looking through a sex shop. There's a DVD I picked
up and I was like, literally, black girl, she there's
Confederate flags all over the back of the thing, tons
of white dudes, you know, like gang and I'm just like,
you guys, probably should put this one in the back,
Like this one is wild. Like I'm like I cannot
believe that shit like this was made and like it
was super normal, you know. But I guess, you know,
we look at so much of our cinema, so much
of our stuff that we used to look at and
like like I'll watch you know, episodes of the Office,
you know, like where he like hides under the desk,
like when that one worker comes, you know, and I'm like,
holy shit, you know, I'm like that's really rethe you know,
But it's like things were different back then.
Speaker 1: They just were you know what you specifically talk about
the unfortunately named dogfart dot com, which has so many
I'll be honest with you. Uh, one of their umbrella,
or the one of the sites underneath her umbrella was
combang dot com. And that was I think the worst
offender for everything you're talking about here. White dudes with
a black girl, okay, blowbang uh, And I think it
was Combang, I'm pretty sure, and all of them in
Confederate shirts, and it was about how the girl's black
boyfriend she did on them or something, so now she's
gonna get revenge on them with white guy. I mean,
they that's but I'll be honest with you though, when
I was a kid eighteen years old, definitely not younger
than that, I used to like seeing a hot black
girl in a scene. So I would kind of look
at it and be like, oh, that's weird. Those gentlemen
must be from the South. Let's just continue on with this.
Speaker 2: See.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have changed since then, We've grown since then.
I understand that if we could go back and digitally
remove the Confederate flags, I'd be more comfortable going back
and watching those videos again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it's funny. I I'll up you one
and we'll see if you feel this ups you one.
Do you know what the Blue Pill Group is? The
Blue Man pill Group.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the blue Man pill Group is.
I know what the blue so it's not the pill
Man group.
Speaker 2: It's I think it's the Blue pill Man Group. Yeah. Anyway,
if you look it up on Pornhub, just type that in,
it'll come up. It's basically a group of old geriatric
men and they're just like fucking the shit out of
a girl, you know, and they'll do just like different things,
and so it's a take on the you know, Blue
Men of Vegas and then it's just you know, and
they're really good at it. And it's wild because that
was the first thing I was showing by my agent
when I started. I remember I came to the office
in Chatsworth and they showed me that and I was
just like, so girls are doing things like that. I
was like, is that something I'm gonna have to do?
Like I just was like, holy shit, you know, but
it's funny. Now I would totally do something like that,
Like I would so do it. And it's yeah, like
who cares. I think that that's fun and like old men,
they know how to lay it down.
Speaker 1: Sure, well, how old are we talking? Last question? Then
we're gonna take a break. We'll come back. How old
are we talking about?
Speaker 2: I will leave in their high seventies, so.
Speaker 1: You'd be comfortable with that now I have Yeah.
Speaker 2: I've had sex with men that are in their seventies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and where'd you hide the body after you killed
them with the heart attack?
Speaker 2: It's shocking. I think if you take care of yourself,
you'd be surprised, you know. Yeah, there's definitely men that yeah,
I think. Yeah, age is just a number when it
comes to men's libido. Sometimes that's wild how they just
can keep going for sure.
Speaker 1: All right, folks, we're gonna take one more break. My
guest Lily Bell. Find her on only fans at Lily
Underscore Bell xxx links to everything in the episode description.
We'll be right back. All right, folks, we're back today
with my guest Lily Bell. You can find our ou
on OnlyFans at Lily Underscore Bell xxx. Lily, let me
ask you do you like being put in awkward positions?
Speaker 2: It depends I would say.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, let's try and put you in an awkward
position with my next game, Lady's Choice Least Choice. This
game where you the world famous porn star. I get
to build your own celebrity fantasy gang bang. Okay, there's
a catch. You don't actually get to pick the individuals.
I'm gonna spin these wheels which you can't see, but
the folks at home are seeing the wheel spinning currently.
Oh wow, those wheels are so cool. The graphics are awesome. Yeah. Anyway,
the wheels are gonna determine who will be participants in
your Lady's Choice gang bang. There's an athlete wheel, an
actor wheel, and the third wheel is just kind of
a guy. Your job while building this gangbang is to
tell me who goes where and then give me your
logic for it, Like did you pick this guy for
your mouth because like, oh, he's got great abs, I'd
love to stare at those abs. Or did you pick
this guy for your ass because maybe like he seems
like a small dick loser, like I wouldn't have to
worry about that. Can I give you your participants in?
Speaker 2: Are you gonna guv with each like one? So I
don't get lost?
Speaker 1: Oh, you won't get lost, You'll be totally fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
all right, let's play lady's choice.
Speaker 2: Let's play lady's choice.
Speaker 1: Travis Kelce, Channing Tatum, Ed Kemper, Lily you a true
crime fan? Little I d amn.
Speaker 2: I know a lot about Ed Kemper.
Speaker 1: Travis kelce Uh, you get to borrow him from Taylor
for a while, and that's pretty solid. You know, maybe
he never even goes back. Uh your actor Real Channing Tatum,
mister magic Mike, am I right?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean look at the man the abs alone that
didn't work. Uh. And your third guy, unfortunately is Ed Kemper.
They're pros to him. He's six foot nine. I doubt
we'll be able to use the little dick loser in
this scenario. The cons are unfortunately he did murder ten people.
Uh so, Lily Bell, if you would please give me
your lady's choice selection Travis Kelce, Channing Tatum, and Ed Kemper.
Speaker 2: Okay, I really love that you chose a Kemper. I
must save him for last I'm gonna put. I don't know,
Travis kelcey, I don't even know if I have this
feeling like he's such a little douchebag that I kind
of would want to just like I feel like he's
a big cuddle bug, like he almost would maybe want
to have it up in his butt, and like I
was thinking I'd give him my ass, but then I
thought he probably maybe wants it up his you know,
you never know. I would. I would, I would probably
if anything, I think we would share buttholes together, Okay, fair,
I would say that because I'm definitely saving my vagina
for Channing because I have had a huge crush on him.
I love him a lot, Like he's a big, big
celebrity crush of mine. Magic mic step up anyway. With
ed Kemper, I just feel like only fitting to choose
my mouth slash throat because which I'm sure you know,
he killed his mother and fucked her throat, and you know,
she basically said to him the night before he killed her,
he said, she said, I've never had sex because of you,
you know, blah blah blah, and you know he goes,
all right, I bet, And so he killed her and
then sucked her throat and then said to her poetically,
well now you have had sex.
Speaker 1: I believe that. I believe. At one point he also
ripped the vocal cords out and said that bitch wouldn't
shut up. I think is what he told the police.
Speaker 2: See. The only reason why I know of this is
not because I watched like a documentary about him. It
was that Netflix.
Speaker 1: Oh love it, give me a third fucking season.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It was really good, really good, so so good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're gonna wrap this up. I got a
few other questions though that I want to talk about
the future. What is coming up for you? Are there
any major kinks of fetishes or types of scenes that
you've yet to shoot that you're excited to shoot coming up?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean I I might. So I'm still planning
to do my debut anal coming up here soon. I
don't know when that's going to happen, but I think
it's going to happen at some point, if not this year,
next year. I know it's going to be happening before
I'm thirty. So I'm twenty eight right now. Okay, So
I'm going to get ready and excited for that. It's
supposed to happen last year and then because of my whole
medical thing, I wasn't able to still want to do
a which McCall it a blowbang yet to do that.
I did get to do my gang bang last year.
What I really want to do for myself, which isn't
even like super work related, like, yes, I want to
do more features and things like that. And I did
just do a really great feature for Digital Playground this year.
It was really fun. And then I have a feature
coming out for Cinema in the next month or so.
I also have something for Playboy coming out in the
next month or so. That's exciting. But really what I
want to do is travel. Me and my friend Maya
Wolf we were talking about going to Amsterdam for ex
Viz in September, so I might go to New York
before that, then go to Amsterdam, then go to Berlin.
So I'm just like planning to do all of that.
I just kind of want to travel to Europe again
because I wanted to go last year and I wasn't
able to go because I was shooting a feature.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't know the names of the companies exactly,
but do you shoot in Europe ever or no?
Speaker 2: I have So the last time I was in Europe,
I got flown out to shoot for the company Door Cell,
and so I got to be in Paris and shoot
for them, and then I got to stay an extra
week and just kind of fuck around and that was fun.
Speaker 1: Where's the crazy hardcore place? Not like violent or anything
like that. But is it prog or Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Frog and Budapest? Yes, okay, and it is Czech Republic?
Is that them? Like you?
Speaker 1: I mean, I barely know where Pennsylvania is. I'm in
New Jersey, so yeah, sure in that region is where
they do all the crazy stuff. I believe you've shot
a VR scene before, right, am?
Speaker 2: A lot? Oh god, a lot?
Speaker 1: What is different about that shooting wise? Being you? Yeah,
it seems like is it a hassle to you? You
almost look like, oh, it's exhausting.
Speaker 2: Really, yeah, it's exhausting. I'm not the biggest stand of
shooting VR. Yes, I like shooting it because aesthetically for
my fans, it's a lot of people love jerking off
to VR. I I've dated a few guys that love
jerking off to VR. Yeah, so it's just uh. I
I definitely like it for that reason because I like
pleasing my fans. But as far as like my pleasure goes,
it's very robotic for us. You know, the guy cannot
talk to me, he cannot really touch me or move
that much or else the camera will move. You know,
I have to make sure that I'm covering penetration. So
a lot of times I can't rub myself, Like if
I'm rubbing myself when I'm in Doggie, you know, I'm
not able to turn my face very well because I'm rubbing,
So then I'm not able to then pleasure myself because
then I'm supposed to be giving a full performance. And
then if I'm rubbing myself in Missionary, a lot of
times you might not be able to see penetration that well. Right,
So it's like there's some you know. So it's just
it's more robotic for me. But it is fun to
do some costplays like I always find those fun. Like
I just got a little award from BIZOUI that was
cool for this, like Katherine Catherine the great costplays I did.
And then I did like a rinera Targarian one last
year that I wanted to award for and that.
Speaker 1: Was cool, very cool. So Your Digital Underground the four
episode feature Cards on the Table. It's been a massive hit,
and I believe the fourth and final episode is out
now if people want to check that out. Do you
like the acting aspect of porn? Do you like? Do
you like it to the point that it would same money,
same prestige level of website. One is more gonzo, one
is acting. Would you pick the acting over the other
one or no?
Speaker 2: Well, so here's the thing. I mean, it depends, like
each company's different. You know, for Lass cinema, when the
the acting is very real throughout the whole movie, it's
not porno acting. So when the sex happens, it's very
much like it's part of the story. It's kind of
like you're watching an HBO show and then the sex happens,
but instead of you just seeing like ten to fifteen
seconds of softcore, now you're actually getting to see like
fifteen to twenty five minutes of real sex, and then
the story just continues seamlessly, you know, yea to the
next scene, which I really love. You know, with Digital Playground,
it's a little more choppy. It's a little bit more
like a regular sex feature, where like the acting doesn't
really matter as much. Yes, it's a factor, but the
sex scenes are really what matters, and they're way more gonzo,
Like I bring a lot of gonzo factor to my
feature sex scenes. I definitely, but like with less Cinema,
I don't like. I definitely am more like loving and
passionate and where like the sex scene that's gonna come
out for this lest cinema feature, it's way more like
me and Nathan are having sex at home. It's like
you're really seeing us have sex. We're not opening up
to camera. We're we're literally not aware of a camera
like in feature films. I'm very aware of the camera,
but with LUs I don't have to be, which is
you know, really great.
Speaker 1: You have done a lot of these scenes in the past,
and I believe it probably stems from your relationship. As
you said, do Girl Girl scenes sell Do they sell well?
Speaker 2: I love shooting Girl Girl. Unfortunately they don't sell well
for me on my platform. I wish they did. I
know it does work for some girls, and it sucks
because I love shooting it. So if I'm gonna shoot
with a girl, it's because I really want to fuck her.
But yeah, but if for companies it sells well, I
sell well for companies for Girl Girl, but not my
only fans.
Speaker 1: No, I uh, I've talked to my wife about this before.
I'm likely gonna die young. We've talked about how people
who stay healthy and everything can go into their seventies
and fuck uh not me. But I've talked to my
wife about this before, and she's bisexual. I would say.
She said, if I were to die, it would only
be girls from now on and not like a insecurity issue,
like let me just reassure him, because I told her,
I'm like, yo, go out and get some dick and
make sure they're rich too. If something happens to me,
If you could only be with guys or girls the
rest of your life, what would you pick.
Speaker 2: That's so hard because I've been having kind of an
interesting thing in my sexuality recently, where like, I want
more than anything to be a lesbian, Like I truly
like that would make my life so much easier. I'm
not the biggest fan of men in general, you know,
but I'm very attractive to them, and I really like
them a lot in a lot of ways. But as
far as, like, you know, socially and the things that
I've dealt with in sex work, you know, I've kind of,
you know, I had a little bit of a you know,
viewpoint on some things, and so unfortunately I am very straight,
so I would have to say that I would just
be with men for the rest of my life. But
if I'm not having sex, Oh, it's just so hard
because I wish I was a lesbian so bad. I
just want, you know, but it's like I do brave
dick like it is. And then but it's like you
met you men, like not all you men?
Speaker 1: That sounds better, No, every dude mostly don't. Don't you
go ahead?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've dealt with some shit and it's it's crazy,
and like, you know, you guys are very visual creatures.
You're very you like variety. You know, It's it's tough
growing up in this like mindset of thinking things are
going to be like what you see in movies, and
then you realize it relationships aren't really like that and
it's real life. And then you know, then trying to
have a relationship realizing that and then also doing what
I do. You know, it's you know, I think if
I date another guy, I would want a date a
guy that isn't a fan of my friends. I want it,
like I'm cool. If you watch porn, that's fine. I
know that it's just something that happens. I know there's
a lot of girls out there that are like, no,
like if you watch porn, like we can't date. Here's
the thing, Like I've watched it, so it's like, you know,
it's fine, Do I watch it now? No, but I
prefer like, if I bring you around, you might see
a girl. Oh yeah, I kind of recognize her, but
I don't want you to know where by name?
Speaker 1: Fair enough? Yeah, oh that's it. Yeah, no, no, no, no,
that's fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Last question for you, is there an exit plan or
are you gonna be Granny Gilf Lily Bell takes b
well BBC obviously we would put on there giant.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah right yeah at that point, grand like just
say all of it. I don't care.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Well, your progressive opinion now forty years from
now will shift and say something horrendous. So is there
an exit plan?
Speaker 2: You know, that's such an interesting question. I just always
see myself and sex work. I don't really know what
my I'm like nervously picking out my brush. You know,
this question is always interesting. I always saw myself being
a mill carrying out being someone like that is in
the industry for ten plus years, you know, really being
able to live off my name. As time has moved on,
the industry isn't what it used to be. The household
porn star name doesn't really hold the same as it
used to, you know, the only fans thing changed a
lot of stuff, So I I don't know. I would
eventually do things behind the camera a little bit. I
don't know if that's where I'll stay. I have done
some scriptwriting. I do enjoy that. I see myself always
in sex work. Somehow, some way, I've wanted to do
some talent liaison work, and I think that that would
be really beneficial for me because I am a talent.
So I think a lot of talent would trust me
to be a talent liaison because I'm not coming from
you know, no knowledge. I definitely would probably take some courses,
though I've also even thought about school again in some
kind of way. The reason why I didn't go to
school is because I felt like it was like I
had to do it for my parents and do it
for my family, and do it because I was proving
stuff to other people. And now if I went back
to school, it's because I'd be doing it for me
and what I want to learn I just be really
scared about like all of the student loans, like, because
once you start, you can't really stop. So it's like
i'd really want to make sure that I know what
I'm doing. So I don't really know what my exit
plan is. I don't know if I have one. I
guess I just trust that whatever happens to me happens.
And I've been so successful so far, so I just
kind of am gonna trust it to sex success will
follow me as it has so far.
Speaker 1: I think it's a perfect answer. My guest tonight was
Lily Bell. You find links to all of our social
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Speaker 2: Thank you