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Speaker 1: Thank you, ladies and gentlemen for checking out Going Deeper.

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I'm your host, Matt, and I've got a great show

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planned for you tonight. You'll know my next guest from

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dot Com. You find links to all of our social

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media and the episode description below, but I really want

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Underscore Bell xxx. Ladies and gentlemen, join me and welcoming

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to the show, the Lovely Lily Bell Lily. How are

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you tonight?

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Speaker 2: I'm good, I'm really good.

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Speaker 1: Uh So can you take me through just as quickly

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as you want? Your entrance into the adult film street

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or any kind of adult work in general. I don't

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know if you started with camming or stripping or video.

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What was your path into this industry.

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Speaker 2: Well, you're kind of right on with that assessment. I

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started with camming. I was told by another performer named

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Cameron Canila that if you have never dipped your toe

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in any type of sex work, it's probably best to

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do something of that nature before, just like doing straight

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up porn. You know, I think if you're like a

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super giant slut and like a true born slut, I

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think you can jump jump into porn. For sure, there's

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some that we see that can just do that. But

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I wasn't a super promiscuous person, so I think it

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was important that I started doing sex work in a

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different way. And then yeah, start with camming. Then I

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moved on to stripping, and then I started doing it

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out here and yeah, it's a it's a cool little

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story how that happened. I had two roommates that I

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basically got off rooms to, and then we all started

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camming together. And I let them know that I cam

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you know, I said, I do this and you'll hear

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these moans throughout the day, so it's important that you

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know that. And she said, oh, do you make a

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lot of money with that? And then she wanted to start,

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and then we got my other friend to start, and

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then my other friend started stripping. I was in a

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relationship at the time, so I couldn't be doing that

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in my relationship. After we broke up, she's like, do

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you want to try stripping? And I said sure, and

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so we both started, and then the other friend, who

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was late to the camming, she was like, Okay, I'll

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strip and what's funny about this is I think me

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and that first friend we don't strip at all anymore,

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and then that one friend she still strips to this day.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so there you how much of a different beast

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are all three of those things? Because I've interviewed a

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bunch of strippers this week, and I've talked to them

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and they say, or girls, sorry, non bunch of shippers,

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a bunch of porn stars who are now trying to

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get into feature dancing, and they're saying, like, there's two types.

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Some are just like, yeah, I'm all for it, jump in,

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and then there's some who are like, there's a difference

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between camming or being on a closed set and being

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in a bar where some guy smashes a bottle over

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someone's head over here and has to be carried out.

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Going from camming to stripping, was that like a huge

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jump for you or was it exciting? Were you nervous

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at all? Did you get into a good club early

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on or did you have to kind of work your

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way up that route as well?

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Speaker 2: So you know, out of I've done every angle of

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sex work that there is, and stripping is definitely was

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the hardest on you. Mentally, I would say it's like,

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I don't know, it's just I would say that the

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customers would rather say sorry than ask for permission. There's

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a lot of just your constant boundaries having to be

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told over and over and over again. I've found in

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other sex work, I don't have to constantly put up

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my boundaries all the time. A lot of times too,

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you're doing fifty first days, so you're hearing a lot

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of really intense stories. I'm really empathetic, so I'm not

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really a shark in the on the floor. I'm very

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much sorry. My dog's coming over here.

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Speaker 1: No, it's okay.

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Speaker 2: I'm so I'll sit there and listen to your life

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story for a bit. And all of a sudden, I've

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wasted like an hour, you know.

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Speaker 1: And got no dance out of it, and like a

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five dollar tip. And it's like, what the fuck did

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I just do?

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Speaker 2: And so you say to them, like, straight up, I'll go,

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I work on tips and tips alone, I would, He's

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like panting right at the books. I work on tips

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and tips alone, So I would really, and and my

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time is money, you know, I only have, you know,

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wasted an hour out of my five hour shift. I

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would say this more eloquently than that, but I would appreciate,

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you know, if you would pay me for my time.

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And you know, the worst thing that they can say

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is just no. And you know because if you and

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so they will, they'll strip to be like no, and

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you're like got it and then you move on and yeah,

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but anyway, there's more questions that you asked me in

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that first it's okay.

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Speaker 1: I generally the way I do it is I kind

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of tommy gun out questions and whatever you grab, we'd

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just roll from there. Uh, that's kind of how this

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show goes. Yeah, do you have an incident that stands

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out in your mind from stripping? When you may have

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recognized a guy who doesn't want to spend with a

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party And I think we both know the type of

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guy we're talking about, Like, say a bachelor party's there,

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there's one guy all the way in the back, far

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away from the stage, drinking beers. Have you ever quote

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unquote turned a guy where maybe you see someone who's

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not interested in spending money and then on the second

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trip to the ATM, you're like, oh, I got this fucker.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I think that happens all the time. I mean,

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I think that's constant, you have so many. And then

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I think a big factor, unfortunately is liquor. You know,

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if people have liquor flowing, that definitely changes people's perductions.

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And yeah, I don't know, it's interesting I've had, you know,

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and I have to admit too, like a lot of

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times while I was at the strip club, like I was,

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I'm gonna show you my dog just like you.

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Speaker 1: Oh he looks like my dog.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a golden. Do you have a golden?

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Speaker 1: I have a golden named Charlie. He's a terror.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a terror too. We have that in common. Yeah,

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but where was I going with that? Was I just

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about to say?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, But if I really wanted to be

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a scumbag and clickbait this, I would just put Lily

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Bell and Dog as the title of a YouTube clip

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and we'd be off, like we'd be running.

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Speaker 2: Let's not do that.

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Speaker 1: Uh, turning a guy who maybe didn't want to spend

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money at a strip. Yes, you have a do you

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have a method to start convincing? Is it not in

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a negative way? Is it a hassling thing? Is it?

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I mean, you're just sitting here by yourself, Why don't

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we just go?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, I definitely. I think as time went on,

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I got more aggressive. I think you also have to

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feel out everybody's personality. Like some people are way more timid.

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she would always go after couples, and like I never

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went after couples. Like I always felt that there was

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a very awkward sense sometimes like they're like that maybe

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the girl didn't want to be there and the guy did,

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and so then we're in the back room and I

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can just sense that. And you know, I always go

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to the female first. That's something I always do. You

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always make the female feel comfortable first. I always want

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to make sure that like I'm catering to that if

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that is happening. But then I can tell sometimes that

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like she doesn't want that or want to be there,

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and I'm just like, oh, this is really awkward. But

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most of the guys that are in the strip club

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usually are there because they want to be there. Like,

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I'm gonna be honest. With bachelor parties, that's not something

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I normally would attack. I wouldn't go for a party.

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at the rack. A lot of them aren't there to

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like go in the back and spend a lot of

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money dancing. So I would usually pick someone, I guess

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in the back, and usually if you're sitting in the back,

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you're kind of wanting to come up and be talked to.

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club dudes, and they sit there in the back and

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it's kind of a power thing for them, like they

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get to pick the girl. They have girl after girl

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after girl coming up to them and they say no, no, no,

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and then finally then they get to pick who they want,

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you know. So it's definitely they're the big guy in

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the room and they can be that whenever they go

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Speaker 1: That's interesting. Yeah, what you said there about guys wanting

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to be there and guys showing up. It's a difference

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between if I want to find real golfers, I'll go

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to a golf course. If I go to top golf,

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I'm gonna possibly just see casuals who are hanging out

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right m h. The little research I have done because

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I was not a good student, tells me you are

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a speedgler. Girl. I had heard the name Spiegler before

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in the industry, but I did a little research today.

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What goes into being a Spiegler girl. It seems like

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it's kind of the most prestigious agency to be a

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part of. And I spoke to a girl earlier this

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week and I laid out all of my conditions that

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I would need if I was a beautiful porn girl. Look,

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I need a contract, a deposit, I need a flight

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paid for, I need this that, blah blah blah. And

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obviously the girl laughed in my face and said it's

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not like that. And then at the end she goes, well,

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unless maybe you're a Spiegler girl, And I get stuck

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in my head. I'm like, oh, so that's Goldman Sachs.

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It seems like that's the top of the top. How

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did you become a Spiegler girl? And what goes into

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remaining a Spiegler girl.

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Speaker 2: So my journey with feelers kind of interesting. I remember

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watching Sasha Gray on Tyra Banks when I was younger,

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and she was with Spiegler at the time. He came

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with her to that interview like on TV and everything,

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and you know, they just painted her in this like

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awful light, they made her dress like this church girl,

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and like, I don't know, I just remember Sasha really

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holding her own and just telling Tyrus straight up like

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you aren't the judge of what makes one woman feel

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empowered versus another, you know, So just because other women

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don't feel empowered by doing that doesn't mean that others might.

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on other podcasts I just want to throw in there

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is that so not all sex work has to be empowering,

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Like sex work can just be work, can just be

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a job. So I think sometimes there's always this thing

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of like, oh, we have to like female power, and

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it's like yeah, for sure, but it is also just

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a job anyway. So with Spieler, I remember I called

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him back in like twenties seventeen. I would say he

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had like Gina Valentina still living in his home, I think,

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and he was just like, you know, I still am

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for wanting girls, you know, to do anal I'm wanting

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you know, that type of thing. And I just remember

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being like, I don't think I'm ready for that. And

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I just remember hanging up the phone and be like

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I don't think I can do that. And so then

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you know, I went with OC about a year or

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two later because I was still in a relationship, and

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so I just put the porn thing away. I was like,

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you're gonna be with this guy. You're gonna, you know,

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do your thing. And my parents were like, little, You're

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gonna have to choose, like between this lifestyle that you're living,

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like you're not gonna always be able to just like

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be a secret person online and like, and then they

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were right, you know. And so then eventually, when my

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relationship ended, I was like, okay, let's just go off.

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I was signed to OC, you know, I just was

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girl girling solo. Then I wasn't anymore. I did boy girl.

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I did OC for three years, finished my contract. The

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person I was dating at the time, he's good friends

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with Spieler and also you know, our director, and he said,

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you know, I see you being with him, you should

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be with him. And I said, okay, you know, I'm

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ready for that next step. I'm ready to go further.

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and you know, it didn't happen right away like that

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you know it was you know, he has sometimes where

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he's like, well, call me back on this month, you know.

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So then I called back and it doesn't happen. So

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I called back on two times. And then after the

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two times it didn't, you know, I was like, all right,

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I'm not going to call. And then avn happened. And

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I came back and I was waiting for my Postmates

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and I thought my postmates was outside calling me and

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I answered and I but there wasn't my Postmates. It

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was George Spiegler's person, and he said, I want you

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to be part of the agency. And I was kind

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of shocked because I was the one barking up the tree,

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you know, the last couple of months, and then they

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didn't grab me. So then to have them call me,

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I was like okay, And I was like what you know? Sure,

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you know I closed that door. I mean it wasn't

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fully closed, but why not. And then I've been with

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him for a year and that first year was rough.

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I had a lot of medical things happened. It was

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very unfortunate. But ever since I healed from all that,

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I've had a great time with them. It's been so

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beneficial to be with them.

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Speaker 1: Sure. Sure, I've heard interviews with him where he says

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he looks for beautiful, professional perverted. So it seems like

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maybe you had the first two and we were just

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waiting on you getting a little more. You should have

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picked up the phone like, Hey, George, sorry, I'm about

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to fuck the pizza guy. If you just give me

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a sec I'll get back to you. Blah blah blah, Like, yeah,

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throw it out there. But I'm glad I was not perverted.

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Speaker 2: Yet, So I think it was best that I didn't

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go with Spiegler right away. I think I think that

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things happened for a reason. I got flooded the fuck

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out when I started coming out here to La so

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like that, just like that journey for me really happened

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with n OC and then I think when I was

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ready to go to Spiegler, it really was time. And

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I am happy that I think that. Yeah, I look

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back on it that that's I think, that's good how

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it happened.

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Speaker 1: You said something in there that was interesting. You said

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you actually went to your parents and talked about that,

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so your parents know what you do. Comfortable with it? Supportive, Yeah,

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I read you grew up in Portland.

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Speaker 2: I believe Beaverton technically, but like most of my adult

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life in Portland.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, little weird up in that area in a

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good way. Okay, Yeah. Did that contribute to an upraising

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or is that the right word? Yeah? An upraising? Now

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when you were growing up, did that being in that

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kind of environment a more and I don't mean this

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politically like liberal, a little more progressive of everybody environment.

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Maybe that was your town, maybe it wasn't. Did that

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make it easier to get into stuff like this? I

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went to twelve years of Catholic school. I have nothing

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but sexual shame. So so I can't imagine even going

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to my parents and being like I'm doing this now

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and then being like, I am so proud of your

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new ten thousand followers.

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Speaker 2: You know, my parents were. Here's the thing. I think

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it wasn't just like I just threw porn in their face.

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It was started out with camming and it went to

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stripping like it was like they were slightly introduced, you know,

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as time went on. Interestingly enough, though I'd only had

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been camming for like a little bit when I had

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talked to Spiegler right away, and so I talked to

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my stepdad about it, and he was pretty supportive about it,

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shockingly because he knew who Spiegeler was and he just said,

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you know, lil if this is what you want to

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do with your life, you know, we can't stop you.

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You're an adult and we just want you to be

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safe and we want you to you know, live your life.

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And my mom, for me, what she always wanted was

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she wanted me to like live in some rap shit

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apartment in New York audition for Broadway. And that's like

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all I do all the time, like with a bunch

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of girls. That's like what she envisioned for me for

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my life. So like with her, like in a way,

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I think she kind of is happy that I'm like

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doing something that's like shiny and bright in some way,

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you know, which is happy for her. And then also

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she's earned. She was the hardest to convince, like the camming.

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I remember we went on a trip to Mexico and

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was telling her about it and she was crying and

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she was upset, and I think, you know, it's it's

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not just it's a reflection on her. What did Like

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what are people gonna think, Oh my god, I'm gonna

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have to tell them what you're doing. Oh my god,

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they're gonna think what did I do wrong in my

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own line of parenting to cause you to thray to

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do this, And it's like, not that deep. It's not

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like that. You know. My mom was an amazing parent,

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so was my stepdad. I had parents around me all

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the time. They raised me very well. Sometimes people do

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just choose to do these things. And I, like I said,

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I wasn't a big sluck growing up. You know, I

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only had sex with seven people prior to getting into

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the industry, So I don't know. I just was kind

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of looking at it, and I was in a relationship.

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I was like, this can't be the last penis I'm

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gonna be with, Like, there's no way, and it wasn't.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, thankfully. Yeah, we're going to take a break

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and we'll be right back. My guest today, Lily Bell.

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You can find her own OnlyFans at Lily underscore Bell

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xxx and links to all of our social media is

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in the episode description. When We're back with my guest Today,

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Lily Bell. You can find her on only fans at

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Lily Underscore Bell xxx. Lily, how are you now? You

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said something there and I want to touch on it

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real quick earlier before the break about your mom wanting

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you to go to New York and becoming a you know,

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struggling Broadway actor, and there's like a level of quote

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unquote respectability about that. Right. Was your mom an artist?

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Was she just did she always want you to just

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be a little superstar or how did that come about?

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Speaker 2: Well? I went to an art school growing up, so

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I think that was a big influence on it. And

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then we loved Broadway together. She wasn't a big artist.

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I think she just loved the movie fame and just

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really was like into that, you know. And then when

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I started going to art school, she probably was like, oh,

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you know, like this could be something, you know, And yeah.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well look I'm going to ask some stuff out

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for you. Our game today is called porn Words. I'm

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gonna give you ten words. I'm gonna act them out

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for you. I can't say the word at all in

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the answer. You can pass at any time, and if

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there's a time on the clock, we'll go back and

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check the ones you missed. Okay, because your world for

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miss porn Star, I'm putting sixty nine seconds on the

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clock and you'll have ten seconds or ten questions to answer.

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These are all horn related categories. So anything I'm doing here,

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it's not gonna be you know, blue Jay, it's gonna

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be something related. So I'm gonna put the time on

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the clock and I'm gonna begin. Now, what's this? Okay?

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Number two? Oral sex on a guy?

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Speaker 2: Well, what am I supposed to say to that?

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Speaker 1: You could say anything. I'll tell you if you're right

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or wrong.

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Speaker 2: Oh splacio, Nope, keep going ahead.

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Speaker 1: There you go. Number three a kink or fetish. No,

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I fucked it up. Nope, I fucked it up. You

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get a point for that. It was fetish. Number four,

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brand new to the industry.

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Speaker 2: A new girl.

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Speaker 1: No type of category, brand new to the industry.

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Speaker 2: Oh new, new, new blood, new starlet.

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Speaker 1: Easier, easier than all that. Not young, not teen, brand new.

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Speaker 2: New bile, barely legal.

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Speaker 1: I skip next one. I just drank a whole bunch

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of water. Now I have to There you go. Number six,

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I'm a woman. I just drank a bunch of water.

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This came out of me. I don't know if this

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is p squirt. Okay. Seven? Uh uh, taking money from somebody?

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Taking money in the industry. No, it's a type. Uh

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tell me, uh, the the Dominatrix. No times up, time

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is up, damn Finn doom.

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Speaker 2: Oh that I wouldn't have gotten that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, uh for a tie breaker, because I'm gonna

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have people compete against each other according to I a

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f D dot com. Okay, Adult Film Database dot com. Yeah,

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how many? And then just for the audience that they

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know this probably doesn't count, like OnlyFans collaborations or this,

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and that. We're just going off this number for the tiebreaker.

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How many male performers have you worked with? And I

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will be packaging this and sending it to your religious

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leader back home, whoever that may be.

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Speaker 2: Oh god, I would say like sixty something.

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Speaker 1: She was like sixty ninety one. Wow, yeah, and nine

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away from triple digits. That's pretty solid.

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Speaker 2: And you know that's not even counting. No, Like, I

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don't know if they catch everybody, like, because I've already

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fucked a couple people that they might not like. I Like,

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like I fucked someone in Miami where scene's not out

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yet that I've never had sex with, So that that's

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ninety two.

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Speaker 1: Sure, Oh yeah, that's that's true. We're not doing this

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as a tool body counting over.

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Speaker 2: At one hundred. Well, as far as male performers, I

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think I might because I fucked a few new people

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with scenes that haven't been out yet, So I think

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I might be almost set one hundred.

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Speaker 1: Now that's solid sold.

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Speaker 2: Because that's the thing with male talent that's interesting is

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sometimes you start getting repeat people you know. But if you're.

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Speaker 1: Traveling, sure, these only count people individually, so one name

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might count for three four. Yeah, your own content, your

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own only fans, your own However, you sell content, which

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again links everything in the episode description. What type of

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content do you like to produce for yourself?

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Speaker 2: Well, what sells for me is me having sex a

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lot of times with someone that has a very large

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penis that is usually a different skin color than me.

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Trying to find a politically correct way to say that.

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Speaker 1: Let me pause you on the politically correct because I've

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talked to some other girls. I've to black performers, white performers,

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I've talked to whatever people don't like sometimes terms like

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interracial or BBC or anything like that. And I've spoken

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to male black performers who just say, like, I don't

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give a shit whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't really care.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, do you get caught up in any of that

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or is there an understanding that like this is a

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progressive industry in general, and just if we use terminology

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it's for a different reason. Maybe not, Maybe that's not

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how they feel. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I come from a very politically correct

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part of the world. I'm from Portland, so like I

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have a special need, sister, I have a gay father.

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I will never say things like, you know, I come

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out here, people say the word retarded all the time.

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I would get in so much trouble back home in

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my household if I said something like that, like you

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can't you know, but I also grew up around some

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a different environment, you know, and then also having a

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gay dad, I would never say that's so gay, it's interesting,

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like you know, that type of upbringing, so you know. Also,

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I am an activist, so like I definitely wouldn't ever

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use like any race play like I just and I remember,

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I will admit, on the beginning days of sex Panther,

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I would have guys that would call me that would

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do race play and it just left me with a

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funny feeling. And so I remember like I told this dude,

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you know, after like the BLM movement, you know, was

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really intense, and I did some marching and stuff, and

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you know, I guess a lot of girls basically like

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had this major thing where they were like, we're not

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doing race play anymore. And I think that burst a

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lot of stuff, which is good, but it upset a

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lot of people. And then this dude just bitched me

472
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,240
out on the phone and was so pissed and said, oh,

473
00:24:51,279 --> 00:24:54,519
you fucking sluts not doing this anymore, just so bad

474
00:24:54,559 --> 00:24:56,960
at me. And I was like, well, I think he's

475
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,640
getting a lot of girls that are doing this right now.

476
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,640
But it's just like, yeah, I would never participate in

477
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,200
I would listen to it, and I just I don't know.

478
00:25:06,279 --> 00:25:08,799
It's just interesting. Also, I never knew that it was

479
00:25:08,839 --> 00:25:11,960
such a big thing, Like prior to getting in the industry,

480
00:25:12,039 --> 00:25:14,599
I didn't know that there were white guys that fantasized

481
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,200
about black men like that. I didn't realize that that

482
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,440
was even a thing, right, So it just was kind

483
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:23,359
of a shock to me.

484
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:28,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, it's it's it's an odd thing

485
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,759
because again I have spoken to black performers before, and

486
00:25:31,839 --> 00:25:35,079
some of them are what I would expect, like race play.

487
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,680
Fuck out of here. No, like I'll start swinging on

488
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,759
you if you want some race play, and that's fine.

489
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,960
You know, anyone can do. My opinion on sex in

490
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,200
general is just that anyone could do whatever they want

491
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,240
to do as long as there's no kids or dogs

492
00:25:47,279 --> 00:25:51,400
in the rooms. To the golden in there. Uh, that's

493
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,680
not my business, you know, I don't care, stay out

494
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,240
of it. But yeah, it's weird, because it's not weird,

495
00:25:57,279 --> 00:26:00,079
it's just whatever. I've spoken to male black performers and

496
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,200
they're like, yeah, I don't give a shit whatever you

497
00:26:02,279 --> 00:26:04,599
call me, whatever you want, I'm inside you. But then

498
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,440
from an acting standpoint, in a sense, you have to

499
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,680
be comfortable with it. On the other side, So even

500
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:11,759
though there here's.

501
00:26:11,559 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 2: What I see, I think, uh, I see Asian girls

502
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:23,720
obviously using their Asian hair, you know, culture to you know,

503
00:26:23,839 --> 00:26:26,839
promote themselves in that way, which I think they're able

504
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,839
to do that because they're Asian. Sure, and so that

505
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:31,960
makes sense if I all of a sudden am like

506
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,839
I'm shooting with this hot Asian girl, Like, it's a

507
00:26:35,839 --> 00:26:37,960
little different if a white person is doing it. So

508
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,000
like if I'm doing race play and saying I'm shooting

509
00:26:40,039 --> 00:26:42,920
with this BBC, Like it just looks bad. But like

510
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,480
if a black person is talking about themselves in that way,

511
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,240
I feel like that doesn't look bad. They can say

512
00:26:48,279 --> 00:26:51,440
whatever they want because that's their culture and they're able

513
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,359
to say what they want. So it's kind of I

514
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,319
guess that's kind of where I lean with it, Like

515
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,839
I wouldn't, yeah, because like it's not like they're saying

516
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,440
to me like, oh, you t have tight white whatever,

517
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,880
like they're they're not really doing that to me, so

518
00:27:08,319 --> 00:27:10,960
and they're not, and I don't see a lot of

519
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,960
my I guess maybe I haven't checked. I'm like, I

520
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,039
I guess they do when I companies label me white

521
00:27:18,079 --> 00:27:20,039
like that, But I don't know if I see other

522
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,640
male talents doing that to me that are black that

523
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,039
I work with, I'm not sure. Yeah, it's interesting everywhere.

524
00:27:25,759 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: We had a little tech issue, not a big deal.

525
00:27:29,319 --> 00:27:32,599
You you were saying though about how you're not normally

526
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,640
labeled as white performer Lily Bell. You know it's and

527
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,559
I think that's a totally fair point. Is very weird,

528
00:27:39,759 --> 00:27:40,920
go ahead, Sorry.

529
00:27:40,759 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 2: I definitely got thrown into that though, Like I would.

530
00:27:43,599 --> 00:27:46,319
I wouldn't say that like I, but like I definitely

531
00:27:46,319 --> 00:27:50,559
got thrown into the snow bunny category for sure, And

532
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,400
I didn't know that that was going to be what

533
00:27:53,799 --> 00:27:56,599
my thing was going to be, you know, Like I

534
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,519
didn't know that. Yeah. So it's interesting when you get

535
00:27:59,519 --> 00:28:04,359
thrown into something and you're like, oh, okay.

536
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: It's weird. We've had this large cultural shift in language too.

537
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:13,720
Write like you don't have an issue performing with black

538
00:28:13,759 --> 00:28:17,400
male performers, Yeah, but you might or other people might,

539
00:28:17,519 --> 00:28:21,279
or anything else. If they just put a simple white

540
00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:24,440
girl gets destroyed by BBC, it's a little bit like, uh,

541
00:28:24,559 --> 00:28:26,880
I mean, you can't even say Lily Bell and Isaiah

542
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,160
Maxwell or whoever it is. But if you go back

543
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,720
in the history of it, this industry was using the

544
00:28:33,759 --> 00:28:36,599
word tranny like it was nothing for the longest time

545
00:28:36,599 --> 00:28:40,559
for transperformers. At the same time they were giving transperformers work.

546
00:28:41,079 --> 00:28:45,279
So it's a real weird dichotomy where we're moving towards

547
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,319
a thing where we need to be more conscious of language,

548
00:28:48,359 --> 00:28:50,960
which can get a little scary and a little dangerous

549
00:28:51,119 --> 00:28:53,480
if we pushed too far. But I do think we

550
00:28:53,559 --> 00:28:56,720
need to have a little more cognizance of who we're

551
00:28:56,759 --> 00:28:59,720
talking about. When we're talking about we don't have to

552
00:28:59,799 --> 00:29:04,480
nest necessarily classify everything to a small category. Tiny white

553
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,720
girl gets destroyed. It's not necessary, you know.

554
00:29:07,839 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear you on that. I think you know. Uh,

555
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,680
it's interesting because you know, I had a situation with

556
00:29:15,759 --> 00:29:20,039
the company where basically, uh, I showed up on set

557
00:29:20,079 --> 00:29:22,200
the script was not sent to me prior. They basically

558
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,240
want me to do major race play. Say BBC say

559
00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:28,039
things like this. I say, I'm not saying things like this.

560
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,680
I said never when I've worked for Doghart or Black

561
00:29:30,799 --> 00:29:32,720
or any of that never made me say these things.

562
00:29:32,759 --> 00:29:34,920
I'm not saying it. The girl director looked at me

563
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,799
and goes, well, it's not like I'm making you say

564
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,559
the N word, and he said it with the hardy

565
00:29:38,759 --> 00:29:42,279
R and I was like whoa. And he's like, I've

566
00:29:42,359 --> 00:29:44,200
changed a script now, and he got all mad and

567
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:45,799
then changed it and he goes, how about how about

568
00:29:45,839 --> 00:29:48,240
you say this? Is it true what they say once

569
00:29:48,279 --> 00:29:50,519
you go black? You never? I go, no, that's still

570
00:29:50,599 --> 00:29:53,880
race play. I'm not doing that right, And then uh,

571
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,240
he was such a dick the whole thing. And then

572
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,920
he made he packed up the whole set, made us

573
00:30:00,119 --> 00:30:02,920
wait on the couch, didn't give us our checks for

574
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,400
like forty five minutes, you know, and then what happens

575
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,680
when that DVD comes out? My face right next to

576
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,279
like Lily Bell takes BBC like literally what you were saying?

577
00:30:13,559 --> 00:30:15,680
My face right there? I was like, you know what

578
00:30:15,759 --> 00:30:18,160
he thought? He goes, bet that bitch doesn't want to

579
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,480
do race play, I'm gonna put your face right next

580
00:30:21,559 --> 00:30:23,319
to that word and you are not gonna be able

581
00:30:23,319 --> 00:30:25,640
to do anything about it. And that's exactly what he did.

582
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: So let me ask you, is that guy no listed

583
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,839
from now into eternity or are you comfortable working with

584
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:32,599
that person again?

585
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,519
Speaker 2: Not the male talent male talent free the director. I

586
00:30:36,559 --> 00:30:39,880
don't think I would work for that company again. No. Yeah,

587
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:41,960
and it's it's it's an older company. It's it's a

588
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,960
company that's been around for for a while. But I

589
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,400
mean we've come a long way. I mean we used to.

590
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,200
I mean people used to say the N word, you know,

591
00:30:50,319 --> 00:30:51,559
when it used to happen. I don't know if you

592
00:30:51,559 --> 00:30:53,799
remember Mow the Monster I do.

593
00:30:54,079 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: I do a show called I Said what or a

594
00:30:56,039 --> 00:30:58,839
segment called I said, what right, And I go back

595
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,720
and I pull old clips and the idea is never

596
00:31:00,759 --> 00:31:02,880
to throw anyone under the bus. I want to hear you,

597
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,359
you know, Lily Bell going like ooh, I like taking

598
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,440
a big dick, blah blah blah blah. But I went

599
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,079
back for one girl and I found some stuff and

600
00:31:10,119 --> 00:31:12,400
I showed my wife, because she's my producer on the show.

601
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:13,920
I was like, hey, you think I should play this clip?

602
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,039
And it was just Edward and word and word and

603
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,640
word enward and I was like, yeah, oh, and she

604
00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:20,759
laughed because I was joking. Obviously I'm not gonna play

605
00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:23,759
that fucking clip. But I bring it to the performer

606
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,559
and off air, I said, hey, I have some clips

607
00:31:25,559 --> 00:31:27,079
for you to play. She goes, ooh, are any of

608
00:31:27,119 --> 00:31:30,359
them the race play stuff? And I said I said,

609
00:31:30,759 --> 00:31:33,119
I said no, and I explained the story I just

610
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,720
told you, and she says to me, and I give

611
00:31:35,759 --> 00:31:38,759
her tons of fucking credit for this. She goes, if

612
00:31:38,799 --> 00:31:41,039
you have one, we could play it. I didn't. I

613
00:31:41,079 --> 00:31:42,680
didn't have one. There was no reason to pull it.

614
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,400
But she goes, we could play it and we could

615
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,319
talk about how things have changed in the industry and

616
00:31:48,599 --> 00:31:50,960
how that used to be acceptable among performers and this

617
00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:53,440
and that. Again, I won't call out that individual, but

618
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,839
I think that's a good thing that times have changed

619
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,240
in that way where we're a little more cognizant of it.

620
00:31:59,559 --> 00:32:01,240
But I do get scared when we get to the

621
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,880
point of not wanting to categorize anything that it could

622
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:08,279
hurt some performers who don't look as beautiful as Lily Bell,

623
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:13,000
like BBW. I would fucking hate to be classified as BBW.

624
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,039
But if it was getting me more work and I

625
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,799
was a curveer woman, that kind of only benefits me,

626
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:19,160
you know.

627
00:32:20,079 --> 00:32:22,359
Speaker 2: I think at the end of the day, or categories,

628
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,000
people search up categories. That's always what it's going to

629
00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:27,960
come down to, you know. I think there's a way

630
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,960
you can carry yourself in this industry where you're not

631
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,480
stepping on toes, you know, doing too much of that.

632
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,440
But of course, if you label some of your stuff

633
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,799
in some ways, you know, I don't know. I think

634
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,480
it's up to people's discretion. I think everybody has their

635
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,119
own opinions on these things. You know. Obviously, if you're

636
00:32:48,119 --> 00:32:51,200
classifying things into racial stuff, you're going to probably make

637
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,200
more money. Like it is just how it is. So

638
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:59,960
you know, either you can yeah, don't do what you want.

639
00:33:00,319 --> 00:33:04,880
But like last thing I'll say is like about the

640
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,680
race thing is how we also have come a long ways.

641
00:33:07,799 --> 00:33:10,920
I remember this one scene I did for dog Fart,

642
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,880
and I don't care about talking about dog Fart because

643
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:18,319
you know, they know what they've done. But they had

644
00:33:18,359 --> 00:33:20,559
a scene once where I basually I supposed to be

645
00:33:20,599 --> 00:33:23,519
looking through a sex shop. There's a DVD I picked

646
00:33:23,599 --> 00:33:28,039
up and I was like, literally, black girl, she there's

647
00:33:28,119 --> 00:33:32,200
Confederate flags all over the back of the thing, tons

648
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,599
of white dudes, you know, like gang and I'm just like,

649
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,759
you guys, probably should put this one in the back,

650
00:33:40,039 --> 00:33:42,880
Like this one is wild. Like I'm like I cannot

651
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,279
believe that shit like this was made and like it

652
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,599
was super normal, you know. But I guess, you know,

653
00:33:48,759 --> 00:33:51,039
we look at so much of our cinema, so much

654
00:33:51,079 --> 00:33:53,359
of our stuff that we used to look at and

655
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,400
like like I'll watch you know, episodes of the Office,

656
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,000
you know, like where he like hides under the desk,

657
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,960
like when that one worker comes, you know, and I'm like,

658
00:34:01,319 --> 00:34:04,799
holy shit, you know, I'm like that's really rethe you know,

659
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,000
But it's like things were different back then.

660
00:34:07,119 --> 00:34:10,039
Speaker 1: They just were you know what you specifically talk about

661
00:34:10,039 --> 00:34:14,280
the unfortunately named dogfart dot com, which has so many

662
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,679
I'll be honest with you. Uh, one of their umbrella,

663
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,280
or the one of the sites underneath her umbrella was

664
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,159
combang dot com. And that was I think the worst

665
00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:28,039
offender for everything you're talking about here. White dudes with

666
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:33,159
a black girl, okay, blowbang uh, And I think it

667
00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:36,039
was Combang, I'm pretty sure, and all of them in

668
00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:38,719
Confederate shirts, and it was about how the girl's black

669
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,519
boyfriend she did on them or something, so now she's

670
00:34:41,559 --> 00:34:43,519
gonna get revenge on them with white guy. I mean,

671
00:34:43,599 --> 00:34:46,119
they that's but I'll be honest with you though, when

672
00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:49,199
I was a kid eighteen years old, definitely not younger

673
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,679
than that, I used to like seeing a hot black

674
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,960
girl in a scene. So I would kind of look

675
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,679
at it and be like, oh, that's weird. Those gentlemen

676
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,719
must be from the South. Let's just continue on with this.

677
00:34:59,760 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 2: See.

678
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have changed since then, We've grown since then.

679
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,039
I understand that if we could go back and digitally

680
00:35:07,159 --> 00:35:11,360
remove the Confederate flags, I'd be more comfortable going back

681
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:12,840
and watching those videos again.

682
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:18,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it's funny. I I'll up you one

683
00:35:18,679 --> 00:35:20,639
and we'll see if you feel this ups you one.

684
00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:23,719
Do you know what the Blue Pill Group is? The

685
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,199
Blue Man pill Group.

686
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,760
Speaker 1: I don't know what the blue Man pill Group is.

687
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,800
I know what the blue so it's not the pill

688
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:32,880
Man group.

689
00:35:33,199 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 2: It's I think it's the Blue pill Man Group. Yeah. Anyway,

690
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:39,920
if you look it up on Pornhub, just type that in,

691
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:44,400
it'll come up. It's basically a group of old geriatric

692
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,599
men and they're just like fucking the shit out of

693
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,039
a girl, you know, and they'll do just like different things,

694
00:35:50,079 --> 00:35:52,639
and so it's a take on the you know, Blue

695
00:35:52,679 --> 00:35:56,239
Men of Vegas and then it's just you know, and

696
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,880
they're really good at it. And it's wild because that

697
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:00,880
was the first thing I was showing by my agent

698
00:36:01,039 --> 00:36:04,039
when I started. I remember I came to the office

699
00:36:04,039 --> 00:36:06,599
in Chatsworth and they showed me that and I was

700
00:36:06,679 --> 00:36:08,920
just like, so girls are doing things like that. I

701
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,800
was like, is that something I'm gonna have to do?

702
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,480
Like I just was like, holy shit, you know, but

703
00:36:13,559 --> 00:36:17,280
it's funny. Now I would totally do something like that,

704
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,559
Like I would so do it. And it's yeah, like

705
00:36:20,599 --> 00:36:23,119
who cares. I think that that's fun and like old men,

706
00:36:23,199 --> 00:36:24,679
they know how to lay it down.

707
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 1: Sure, well, how old are we talking? Last question? Then

708
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,039
we're gonna take a break. We'll come back. How old

709
00:36:30,039 --> 00:36:30,920
are we talking about?

710
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,599
Speaker 2: I will leave in their high seventies, so.

711
00:36:33,519 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: You'd be comfortable with that now I have Yeah.

712
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 2: I've had sex with men that are in their seventies.

713
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, and where'd you hide the body after you killed

714
00:36:42,039 --> 00:36:43,039
them with the heart attack?

715
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,559
Speaker 2: It's shocking. I think if you take care of yourself,

716
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:52,519
you'd be surprised, you know. Yeah, there's definitely men that yeah,

717
00:36:52,639 --> 00:36:54,760
I think. Yeah, age is just a number when it

718
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,880
comes to men's libido. Sometimes that's wild how they just

719
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,639
can keep going for sure.

720
00:37:01,079 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 1: All right, folks, we're gonna take one more break. My

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We'll be right back. All right, folks, we're back today

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with my guest Lily Bell. You can find our ou

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on OnlyFans at Lily Underscore Bell xxx. Lily, let me

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ask you do you like being put in awkward positions?

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Speaker 2: It depends I would say.

728
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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, let's try and put you in an awkward

729
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position with my next game, Lady's Choice Least Choice. This

730
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game where you the world famous porn star. I get

731
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to build your own celebrity fantasy gang bang. Okay, there's

732
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a catch. You don't actually get to pick the individuals.

733
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,119
I'm gonna spin these wheels which you can't see, but

734
00:38:04,159 --> 00:38:06,440
the folks at home are seeing the wheel spinning currently.

735
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:10,480
Oh wow, those wheels are so cool. The graphics are awesome. Yeah. Anyway,

736
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,000
the wheels are gonna determine who will be participants in

737
00:38:14,079 --> 00:38:17,280
your Lady's Choice gang bang. There's an athlete wheel, an

738
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,039
actor wheel, and the third wheel is just kind of

739
00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:23,199
a guy. Your job while building this gangbang is to

740
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,880
tell me who goes where and then give me your

741
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,079
logic for it, Like did you pick this guy for

742
00:38:29,199 --> 00:38:31,840
your mouth because like, oh, he's got great abs, I'd

743
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,519
love to stare at those abs. Or did you pick

744
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,280
this guy for your ass because maybe like he seems

745
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,519
like a small dick loser, like I wouldn't have to

746
00:38:39,519 --> 00:38:43,760
worry about that. Can I give you your participants in?

747
00:38:44,119 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 2: Are you gonna guv with each like one? So I

748
00:38:47,679 --> 00:38:48,719
don't get lost?

749
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: Oh, you won't get lost, You'll be totally fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

750
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,840
all right, let's play lady's choice.

751
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:03,119
Speaker 2: Let's play lady's choice.

752
00:39:05,039 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: Travis Kelce, Channing Tatum, Ed Kemper, Lily you a true

753
00:39:18,039 --> 00:39:19,960
crime fan? Little I d amn.

754
00:39:20,039 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 2: I know a lot about Ed Kemper.

755
00:39:22,559 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 1: Travis kelce Uh, you get to borrow him from Taylor

756
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,679
for a while, and that's pretty solid. You know, maybe

757
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:32,480
he never even goes back. Uh your actor Real Channing Tatum,

758
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,440
mister magic Mike, am I right?

759
00:39:35,039 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 2: Yeah?

760
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,639
Speaker 1: I mean look at the man the abs alone that

761
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,880
didn't work. Uh. And your third guy, unfortunately is Ed Kemper.

762
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,400
They're pros to him. He's six foot nine. I doubt

763
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,599
we'll be able to use the little dick loser in

764
00:39:47,639 --> 00:39:52,000
this scenario. The cons are unfortunately he did murder ten people.

765
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:56,760
Uh so, Lily Bell, if you would please give me

766
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:06,639
your lady's choice selection Travis Kelce, Channing Tatum, and Ed Kemper.

767
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 2: Okay, I really love that you chose a Kemper. I

768
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:14,840
must save him for last I'm gonna put. I don't know,

769
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,559
Travis kelcey, I don't even know if I have this

770
00:40:17,639 --> 00:40:20,039
feeling like he's such a little douchebag that I kind

771
00:40:20,039 --> 00:40:22,480
of would want to just like I feel like he's

772
00:40:22,519 --> 00:40:25,119
a big cuddle bug, like he almost would maybe want

773
00:40:25,119 --> 00:40:27,920
to have it up in his butt, and like I

774
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:29,639
was thinking I'd give him my ass, but then I

775
00:40:29,639 --> 00:40:32,280
thought he probably maybe wants it up his you know,

776
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,719
you never know. I would. I would, I would probably

777
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,079
if anything, I think we would share buttholes together, Okay, fair,

778
00:40:38,159 --> 00:40:41,440
I would say that because I'm definitely saving my vagina

779
00:40:41,599 --> 00:40:46,039
for Channing because I have had a huge crush on him.

780
00:40:46,559 --> 00:40:50,440
I love him a lot, Like he's a big, big

781
00:40:50,519 --> 00:40:55,920
celebrity crush of mine. Magic mic step up anyway. With

782
00:40:56,119 --> 00:41:00,639
ed Kemper, I just feel like only fitting to choose

783
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:06,079
my mouth slash throat because which I'm sure you know,

784
00:41:07,199 --> 00:41:12,239
he killed his mother and fucked her throat, and you know,

785
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,239
she basically said to him the night before he killed her,

786
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,960
he said, she said, I've never had sex because of you,

787
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:20,960
you know, blah blah blah, and you know he goes,

788
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,920
all right, I bet, And so he killed her and

789
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,199
then sucked her throat and then said to her poetically,

790
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:28,880
well now you have had sex.

791
00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:32,639
Speaker 1: I believe that. I believe. At one point he also

792
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,119
ripped the vocal cords out and said that bitch wouldn't

793
00:41:35,119 --> 00:41:37,239
shut up. I think is what he told the police.

794
00:41:38,599 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 2: See. The only reason why I know of this is

795
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,880
not because I watched like a documentary about him. It

796
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:44,760
was that Netflix.

797
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: Oh love it, give me a third fucking season.

798
00:41:49,199 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. It was really good, really good, so so good.

799
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're gonna wrap this up. I got a

800
00:41:56,599 --> 00:41:58,519
few other questions though that I want to talk about

801
00:41:58,559 --> 00:42:00,719
the future. What is coming up for you? Are there

802
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,400
any major kinks of fetishes or types of scenes that

803
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:07,320
you've yet to shoot that you're excited to shoot coming up?

804
00:42:10,119 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean I I might. So I'm still planning

805
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,159
to do my debut anal coming up here soon. I

806
00:42:18,199 --> 00:42:20,280
don't know when that's going to happen, but I think

807
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:24,039
it's going to happen at some point, if not this year,

808
00:42:24,159 --> 00:42:26,480
next year. I know it's going to be happening before

809
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,960
I'm thirty. So I'm twenty eight right now. Okay, So

810
00:42:30,119 --> 00:42:32,639
I'm going to get ready and excited for that. It's

811
00:42:32,639 --> 00:42:34,639
supposed to happen last year and then because of my whole

812
00:42:34,679 --> 00:42:37,360
medical thing, I wasn't able to still want to do

813
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:42,039
a which McCall it a blowbang yet to do that.

814
00:42:42,199 --> 00:42:44,320
I did get to do my gang bang last year.

815
00:42:45,039 --> 00:42:48,119
What I really want to do for myself, which isn't

816
00:42:48,119 --> 00:42:50,599
even like super work related, like, yes, I want to

817
00:42:50,639 --> 00:42:54,199
do more features and things like that. And I did

818
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,840
just do a really great feature for Digital Playground this year.

819
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:58,880
It was really fun. And then I have a feature

820
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,559
coming out for Cinema in the next month or so.

821
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:04,719
I also have something for Playboy coming out in the

822
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,519
next month or so. That's exciting. But really what I

823
00:43:07,519 --> 00:43:10,599
want to do is travel. Me and my friend Maya

824
00:43:10,639 --> 00:43:13,559
Wolf we were talking about going to Amsterdam for ex

825
00:43:13,679 --> 00:43:16,480
Viz in September, so I might go to New York

826
00:43:16,519 --> 00:43:19,360
before that, then go to Amsterdam, then go to Berlin.

827
00:43:20,639 --> 00:43:22,639
So I'm just like planning to do all of that.

828
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:24,480
I just kind of want to travel to Europe again

829
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,760
because I wanted to go last year and I wasn't

830
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:28,599
able to go because I was shooting a feature.

831
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:33,519
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't know the names of the companies exactly,

832
00:43:33,679 --> 00:43:36,159
but do you shoot in Europe ever or no?

833
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,199
Speaker 2: I have So the last time I was in Europe,

834
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,440
I got flown out to shoot for the company Door Cell,

835
00:43:42,079 --> 00:43:44,840
and so I got to be in Paris and shoot

836
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:46,119
for them, and then I got to stay an extra

837
00:43:46,159 --> 00:43:48,320
week and just kind of fuck around and that was fun.

838
00:43:48,519 --> 00:43:51,679
Speaker 1: Where's the crazy hardcore place? Not like violent or anything

839
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:55,079
like that. But is it prog or Yeah?

840
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:59,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, Frog and Budapest? Yes, okay, and it is Czech Republic?

841
00:44:00,559 --> 00:44:02,599
Is that them? Like you?

842
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,079
Speaker 1: I mean, I barely know where Pennsylvania is. I'm in

843
00:44:05,079 --> 00:44:08,079
New Jersey, so yeah, sure in that region is where

844
00:44:08,119 --> 00:44:13,000
they do all the crazy stuff. I believe you've shot

845
00:44:13,039 --> 00:44:15,239
a VR scene before, right, am?

846
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,159
Speaker 2: A lot? Oh god, a lot?

847
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 1: What is different about that shooting wise? Being you? Yeah,

848
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,119
it seems like is it a hassle to you? You

849
00:44:25,159 --> 00:44:26,760
almost look like, oh, it's exhausting.

850
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 2: Really, yeah, it's exhausting. I'm not the biggest stand of

851
00:44:29,039 --> 00:44:32,239
shooting VR. Yes, I like shooting it because aesthetically for

852
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,400
my fans, it's a lot of people love jerking off

853
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,360
to VR. I I've dated a few guys that love

854
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:43,199
jerking off to VR. Yeah, so it's just uh. I

855
00:44:43,199 --> 00:44:45,639
I definitely like it for that reason because I like

856
00:44:45,679 --> 00:44:48,559
pleasing my fans. But as far as like my pleasure goes,

857
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:52,239
it's very robotic for us. You know, the guy cannot

858
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,360
talk to me, he cannot really touch me or move

859
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,119
that much or else the camera will move. You know,

860
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,480
I have to make sure that I'm covering penetration. So

861
00:45:01,519 --> 00:45:03,760
a lot of times I can't rub myself, Like if

862
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,840
I'm rubbing myself when I'm in Doggie, you know, I'm

863
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,920
not able to turn my face very well because I'm rubbing,

864
00:45:11,519 --> 00:45:14,000
So then I'm not able to then pleasure myself because

865
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,000
then I'm supposed to be giving a full performance. And

866
00:45:16,039 --> 00:45:18,480
then if I'm rubbing myself in Missionary, a lot of

867
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,400
times you might not be able to see penetration that well. Right,

868
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,599
So it's like there's some you know. So it's just

869
00:45:23,639 --> 00:45:29,440
it's more robotic for me. But it is fun to

870
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,760
do some costplays like I always find those fun. Like

871
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,960
I just got a little award from BIZOUI that was

872
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:39,039
cool for this, like Katherine Catherine the great costplays I did.

873
00:45:39,119 --> 00:45:41,519
And then I did like a rinera Targarian one last

874
00:45:41,559 --> 00:45:43,440
year that I wanted to award for and that.

875
00:45:43,519 --> 00:45:47,159
Speaker 1: Was cool, very cool. So Your Digital Underground the four

876
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,840
episode feature Cards on the Table. It's been a massive hit,

877
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,599
and I believe the fourth and final episode is out

878
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:55,320
now if people want to check that out. Do you

879
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:59,880
like the acting aspect of porn? Do you like? Do

880
00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:04,639
you like it to the point that it would same money,

881
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,440
same prestige level of website. One is more gonzo, one

882
00:46:08,559 --> 00:46:11,320
is acting. Would you pick the acting over the other

883
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:11,840
one or no?

884
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,280
Speaker 2: Well, so here's the thing. I mean, it depends, like

885
00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:20,239
each company's different. You know, for Lass cinema, when the

886
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,679
the acting is very real throughout the whole movie, it's

887
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,199
not porno acting. So when the sex happens, it's very

888
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,039
much like it's part of the story. It's kind of

889
00:46:28,039 --> 00:46:31,480
like you're watching an HBO show and then the sex happens,

890
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,320
but instead of you just seeing like ten to fifteen

891
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,559
seconds of softcore, now you're actually getting to see like

892
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,519
fifteen to twenty five minutes of real sex, and then

893
00:46:40,599 --> 00:46:44,599
the story just continues seamlessly, you know, yea to the

894
00:46:44,639 --> 00:46:47,480
next scene, which I really love. You know, with Digital Playground,

895
00:46:47,519 --> 00:46:49,360
it's a little more choppy. It's a little bit more

896
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,679
like a regular sex feature, where like the acting doesn't

897
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,480
really matter as much. Yes, it's a factor, but the

898
00:46:55,519 --> 00:46:59,800
sex scenes are really what matters, and they're way more gonzo,

899
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,800
Like I bring a lot of gonzo factor to my

900
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,519
feature sex scenes. I definitely, but like with less Cinema,

901
00:47:07,159 --> 00:47:11,760
I don't like. I definitely am more like loving and

902
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,199
passionate and where like the sex scene that's gonna come

903
00:47:14,199 --> 00:47:17,559
out for this lest cinema feature, it's way more like

904
00:47:17,599 --> 00:47:19,480
me and Nathan are having sex at home. It's like

905
00:47:19,519 --> 00:47:22,519
you're really seeing us have sex. We're not opening up

906
00:47:22,519 --> 00:47:26,000
to camera. We're we're literally not aware of a camera

907
00:47:26,119 --> 00:47:28,920
like in feature films. I'm very aware of the camera,

908
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:30,880
but with LUs I don't have to be, which is

909
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:32,039
you know, really great.

910
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,519
Speaker 1: You have done a lot of these scenes in the past,

911
00:47:35,519 --> 00:47:37,960
and I believe it probably stems from your relationship. As

912
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:42,760
you said, do Girl Girl scenes sell Do they sell well?

913
00:47:44,199 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 2: I love shooting Girl Girl. Unfortunately they don't sell well

914
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,760
for me on my platform. I wish they did. I

915
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:54,239
know it does work for some girls, and it sucks

916
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,559
because I love shooting it. So if I'm gonna shoot

917
00:47:56,559 --> 00:47:58,639
with a girl, it's because I really want to fuck her.

918
00:48:00,599 --> 00:48:04,079
But yeah, but if for companies it sells well, I

919
00:48:04,159 --> 00:48:06,239
sell well for companies for Girl Girl, but not my

920
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:06,960
only fans.

921
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: No, I uh, I've talked to my wife about this before.

922
00:48:10,639 --> 00:48:13,519
I'm likely gonna die young. We've talked about how people

923
00:48:13,519 --> 00:48:16,079
who stay healthy and everything can go into their seventies

924
00:48:16,079 --> 00:48:18,639
and fuck uh not me. But I've talked to my

925
00:48:18,679 --> 00:48:21,760
wife about this before, and she's bisexual. I would say.

926
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,719
She said, if I were to die, it would only

927
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,800
be girls from now on and not like a insecurity issue,

928
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,039
like let me just reassure him, because I told her,

929
00:48:29,079 --> 00:48:31,119
I'm like, yo, go out and get some dick and

930
00:48:31,159 --> 00:48:33,239
make sure they're rich too. If something happens to me,

931
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,119
If you could only be with guys or girls the

932
00:48:35,159 --> 00:48:36,559
rest of your life, what would you pick.

933
00:48:40,039 --> 00:48:42,760
Speaker 2: That's so hard because I've been having kind of an

934
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:47,360
interesting thing in my sexuality recently, where like, I want

935
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:51,840
more than anything to be a lesbian, Like I truly

936
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,079
like that would make my life so much easier. I'm

937
00:48:55,119 --> 00:48:58,679
not the biggest fan of men in general, you know,

938
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,079
but I'm very attractive to them, and I really like

939
00:49:01,199 --> 00:49:03,800
them a lot in a lot of ways. But as

940
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,719
far as, like, you know, socially and the things that

941
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,199
I've dealt with in sex work, you know, I've kind of,

942
00:49:10,039 --> 00:49:12,920
you know, I had a little bit of a you know,

943
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:19,400
viewpoint on some things, and so unfortunately I am very straight,

944
00:49:20,079 --> 00:49:21,880
so I would have to say that I would just

945
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,920
be with men for the rest of my life. But

946
00:49:25,039 --> 00:49:27,599
if I'm not having sex, Oh, it's just so hard

947
00:49:27,599 --> 00:49:30,639
because I wish I was a lesbian so bad. I

948
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,639
just want, you know, but it's like I do brave

949
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,360
dick like it is. And then but it's like you

950
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,360
met you men, like not all you men?

951
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 1: That sounds better, No, every dude mostly don't. Don't you

952
00:49:41,519 --> 00:49:41,840
go ahead?

953
00:49:42,639 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've dealt with some shit and it's it's crazy,

954
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,000
and like, you know, you guys are very visual creatures.

955
00:49:48,119 --> 00:49:54,039
You're very you like variety. You know, It's it's tough

956
00:49:54,079 --> 00:49:56,679
growing up in this like mindset of thinking things are

957
00:49:56,679 --> 00:49:58,960
going to be like what you see in movies, and

958
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,880
then you realize it relationships aren't really like that and

959
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,440
it's real life. And then you know, then trying to

960
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,280
have a relationship realizing that and then also doing what

961
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,400
I do. You know, it's you know, I think if

962
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,360
I date another guy, I would want a date a

963
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:17,840
guy that isn't a fan of my friends. I want it,

964
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:21,480
like I'm cool. If you watch porn, that's fine. I

965
00:50:21,599 --> 00:50:23,360
know that it's just something that happens. I know there's

966
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:24,880
a lot of girls out there that are like, no,

967
00:50:25,039 --> 00:50:27,440
like if you watch porn, like we can't date. Here's

968
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,920
the thing, Like I've watched it, so it's like, you know,

969
00:50:31,079 --> 00:50:33,679
it's fine, Do I watch it now? No, but I

970
00:50:34,079 --> 00:50:36,239
prefer like, if I bring you around, you might see

971
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,320
a girl. Oh yeah, I kind of recognize her, but

972
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:39,599
I don't want you to know where by name?

973
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,760
Speaker 1: Fair enough? Yeah, oh that's it. Yeah, no, no, no, no,

974
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:43,480
that's fine.

975
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

976
00:50:44,519 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: Last question for you, is there an exit plan or

977
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:52,880
are you gonna be Granny Gilf Lily Bell takes b

978
00:50:53,159 --> 00:50:56,800
well BBC obviously we would put on there giant.

979
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:01,079
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah right yeah at that point, grand like just

980
00:51:01,199 --> 00:51:02,719
say all of it. I don't care.

981
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Well, your progressive opinion now forty years from

982
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:11,559
now will shift and say something horrendous. So is there

983
00:51:11,559 --> 00:51:12,199
an exit plan?

984
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:19,639
Speaker 2: You know, that's such an interesting question. I just always

985
00:51:19,679 --> 00:51:22,280
see myself and sex work. I don't really know what

986
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,480
my I'm like nervously picking out my brush. You know,

987
00:51:25,519 --> 00:51:29,440
this question is always interesting. I always saw myself being

988
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:33,760
a mill carrying out being someone like that is in

989
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,320
the industry for ten plus years, you know, really being

990
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,880
able to live off my name. As time has moved on,

991
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,639
the industry isn't what it used to be. The household

992
00:51:41,679 --> 00:51:45,880
porn star name doesn't really hold the same as it

993
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,559
used to, you know, the only fans thing changed a

994
00:51:49,599 --> 00:51:54,199
lot of stuff, So I I don't know. I would

995
00:51:54,199 --> 00:51:56,679
eventually do things behind the camera a little bit. I

996
00:51:56,679 --> 00:52:00,519
don't know if that's where I'll stay. I have done

997
00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:04,440
some scriptwriting. I do enjoy that. I see myself always

998
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,079
in sex work. Somehow, some way, I've wanted to do

999
00:52:07,119 --> 00:52:10,079
some talent liaison work, and I think that that would

1000
00:52:10,079 --> 00:52:12,880
be really beneficial for me because I am a talent.

1001
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:14,559
So I think a lot of talent would trust me

1002
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,880
to be a talent liaison because I'm not coming from

1003
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:23,400
you know, no knowledge. I definitely would probably take some courses,

1004
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,519
though I've also even thought about school again in some

1005
00:52:26,599 --> 00:52:29,159
kind of way. The reason why I didn't go to

1006
00:52:29,199 --> 00:52:32,239
school is because I felt like it was like I

1007
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,039
had to do it for my parents and do it

1008
00:52:34,079 --> 00:52:36,480
for my family, and do it because I was proving

1009
00:52:36,519 --> 00:52:39,480
stuff to other people. And now if I went back

1010
00:52:39,519 --> 00:52:41,320
to school, it's because I'd be doing it for me

1011
00:52:41,639 --> 00:52:44,599
and what I want to learn I just be really

1012
00:52:44,599 --> 00:52:48,039
scared about like all of the student loans, like, because

1013
00:52:48,079 --> 00:52:50,360
once you start, you can't really stop. So it's like

1014
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,039
i'd really want to make sure that I know what

1015
00:52:52,079 --> 00:52:54,599
I'm doing. So I don't really know what my exit

1016
00:52:54,639 --> 00:52:57,000
plan is. I don't know if I have one. I

1017
00:52:57,039 --> 00:53:01,239
guess I just trust that whatever happens to me happens.

1018
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:04,159
And I've been so successful so far, so I just

1019
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,679
kind of am gonna trust it to sex success will

1020
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,760
follow me as it has so far.

1021
00:53:11,119 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 1: I think it's a perfect answer. My guest tonight was

1022
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:15,840
Lily Bell. You find links to all of our social

1023
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media in the episode description below, but make sure you

1024
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had to wear only fans buy some lesbian porn really

1025
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push it, be like ooh, I need to see you

1026
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with more girl girl, and then you're throwing in your

1027
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credit card number and whatever. Make sure you check out

1028
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our only fans at Lily Underscore Bell xxx. Lily, thank

1029
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:33,039
you so much for coming on with me today.

1030
00:53:33,199 --> 00:53:33,559
Speaker 2: Thank you