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True Murder with 56 00:02:34.120 --> 00:02:37.479 your host journalist and author Dan Zupanski. 57 00:02:47.879 --> 00:02:51.960 Good evening from the best selling author of The Vampire 58 00:02:52.120 --> 00:02:55.479 next Door. The true Story of the Vampire Rapist, John 59 00:02:55.560 --> 00:02:59.719 Crutchley JT. Hunter tells the story of a friendly, baby 60 00:02:59.759 --> 00:03:03.919 face Canadian boy next Door. He came from a loving, 61 00:03:04.240 --> 00:03:08.159 caring and well respected family, blessed with good looks and 62 00:03:08.280 --> 00:03:12.000 backwoods country charm. He was popular with his peers, and 63 00:03:12.120 --> 00:03:15.439 although an accident at birth left permanent nerve damage in 64 00:03:15.520 --> 00:03:19.479 one of his arms, he excelled in sports. A self 65 00:03:19.520 --> 00:03:23.520 proclaimed diehard Calgary Flames fan, he played competitive junior hockey 66 00:03:23.960 --> 00:03:28.199 and competed on his school's snowboarding team, and he enjoyed 67 00:03:28.240 --> 00:03:30.800 the typical simple pleasures of a boy growing up in 68 00:03:30.840 --> 00:03:35.000 the country, camping, hunting, and fishing with family and friends. 69 00:03:36.840 --> 00:03:40.439 But he also enjoyed brutally murdering women, and he would 70 00:03:40.439 --> 00:03:43.759 become one of the youngest serial killers in Canadian history. 71 00:03:45.599 --> 00:03:47.840 The book they were featuring this evening is The Country 72 00:03:47.919 --> 00:03:51.439 Boy Killer, with my special guest journalist and author JT. Hunter. 73 00:03:52.039 --> 00:03:54.560 Welcome back to the program and thank you for agree 74 00:03:54.680 --> 00:03:56.560 to his interview. JT. Hunter. 75 00:03:58.000 --> 00:03:59.719 Fight Anne, glad to be here. Thanks for having me 76 00:03:59.759 --> 00:04:00.680 back on the show again. 77 00:04:01.639 --> 00:04:04.960 Thank you very much. It's my pleasure in our audience's pleasure. 78 00:04:05.000 --> 00:04:11.759 I'm sure now this is an incredible crime that I 79 00:04:11.840 --> 00:04:15.000 had no idea about, even though I'm Canadian. Let's start 80 00:04:15.080 --> 00:04:18.160 with setting the stage as you very masterfully do in 81 00:04:18.240 --> 00:04:24.519 this book and introduce these the principal officers that end 82 00:04:24.639 --> 00:04:28.480 up in this faithful situation where they end up pulling 83 00:04:28.560 --> 00:04:33.759 over this gentleman, this young man. So let's go back 84 00:04:33.800 --> 00:04:39.000 to that small town in the RCMP detachment in Fort 85 00:04:39.120 --> 00:04:42.600 Saint James and the guy named Officer Keller. He's been 86 00:04:43.199 --> 00:04:46.079 a constable duty constable for over just about a year. 87 00:04:47.000 --> 00:04:50.000 And this is a little small logging and mining town, 88 00:04:50.639 --> 00:04:53.399 you say, located on the southeastern shore of Stuart Lake 89 00:04:53.480 --> 00:04:56.519 at the end of Highway twenty seven. Before we do 90 00:04:56.600 --> 00:04:59.959 any of that for our international audience in American art, 91 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:02.839 this is not familiar with what r CMP mean and 92 00:05:03.839 --> 00:05:06.879 compared to city police versus rural police. So tell us 93 00:05:06.920 --> 00:05:09.920 what the RCMP and describe this little place that we're 94 00:05:09.959 --> 00:05:13.680 talking about where it is geographically, and then we can 95 00:05:13.759 --> 00:05:17.920 introduce the officers Keller and Sidhu and then Hill. 96 00:05:19.560 --> 00:05:24.000 Okay, well, the RCMP that just stands for Royal Canadian 97 00:05:24.040 --> 00:05:27.680 Mounted Police and that's the you know, the equivalent of 98 00:05:27.800 --> 00:05:33.879 the Canadian Police Force, national police force. And where this 99 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:38.879 took place is in a pretty remote area. It's in 100 00:05:39.240 --> 00:05:43.360 north central British Columbia, a big you know, logging area, 101 00:05:44.680 --> 00:05:51.600 not big populations in the area. And we had a 102 00:05:52.439 --> 00:05:54.639 chance encounter is what I called it in the beginning 103 00:05:54.639 --> 00:05:58.839 of the book as to how the case came to light. 104 00:06:02.680 --> 00:06:09.879 Now, what brings us to to this Officer Keller has 105 00:06:09.879 --> 00:06:12.399 been on the force for only about a year. What 106 00:06:12.639 --> 00:06:17.879 happens on this little road one evening and tell us 107 00:06:18.480 --> 00:06:20.800 how he came to be a meet up with this 108 00:06:21.839 --> 00:06:25.120 eventual what we find out to be a very young 109 00:06:25.439 --> 00:06:27.839 but very prolific serial killer. 110 00:06:29.279 --> 00:06:31.680 Well, the story really begins, and it was back in 111 00:06:31.759 --> 00:06:36.040 November of twenty ten, so about five years ago, and 112 00:06:36.920 --> 00:06:41.519 Officer Keller was driving along and as I said, it 113 00:06:41.560 --> 00:06:45.800 was a remote area on Highway twenty seven. He was 114 00:06:45.879 --> 00:06:52.720 actually on his way to return something that had been 115 00:06:53.279 --> 00:06:57.439 left by someone that had been involved in an accident, 116 00:06:57.600 --> 00:07:02.319 a car accident. They had left a bag basically, and 117 00:07:02.519 --> 00:07:06.040 he was driving back to return this bag, and he 118 00:07:06.240 --> 00:07:09.120 was going to be meeting up with one of his 119 00:07:09.240 --> 00:07:12.120 solow officers coming in the other direction on I twenty seven, 120 00:07:13.000 --> 00:07:17.879 and that's the officer Sidhu, who was a more experienced officer. 121 00:07:18.040 --> 00:07:21.879 He'd been with the force there for about four years. 122 00:07:23.560 --> 00:07:26.439 And so Keller was driving along this is that night, 123 00:07:27.800 --> 00:07:33.800 about nine thirty at night, and he ended up cresting 124 00:07:33.839 --> 00:07:37.920 a hill on the highway and he noticed up ahead 125 00:07:37.959 --> 00:07:42.360 in the distance what turned out to be two headlights 126 00:07:43.600 --> 00:07:46.160 kind of bobbing up and down as if someone was 127 00:07:46.240 --> 00:07:51.480 driving over rougher terrain. And he noticed the headlights were 128 00:07:51.560 --> 00:07:55.439 approaching the highway that he was on, and as he 129 00:07:55.519 --> 00:08:02.240 got closer, the headlights turned into a black pickup truck. 130 00:08:03.360 --> 00:08:05.879 They belonged to a black pickup truck, and the pickup 131 00:08:05.920 --> 00:08:08.000 truck pulled onto the highway at a high rate of 132 00:08:08.040 --> 00:08:10.879 speed in front of him, really didn't slow down much 133 00:08:10.879 --> 00:08:14.160 at all, sped up onto the highway from from a 134 00:08:14.240 --> 00:08:19.480 side road there and continued pulling away from him. And 135 00:08:19.800 --> 00:08:24.800 he decided to something wasn't quite right, and he decided 136 00:08:24.839 --> 00:08:29.519 to follow the truck and see if you know, further 137 00:08:29.600 --> 00:08:32.080 action needs to be taken. But because of the area 138 00:08:32.159 --> 00:08:35.000 he was in, it was so remote, and because of 139 00:08:36.120 --> 00:08:39.600 you know, it was fairly common for people out there 140 00:08:39.639 --> 00:08:44.039 in the area to be armed, you know, whether a 141 00:08:44.120 --> 00:08:46.679 gun or a knife or whatever. So he didn't want 142 00:08:46.720 --> 00:08:49.480 to confront the whoever was in the truck by himself, 143 00:08:49.600 --> 00:08:54.360 so he decided to wait until he met up with Sidhu, 144 00:08:54.440 --> 00:08:57.919 who again was coming the other direction on the highway 145 00:08:57.960 --> 00:09:00.279 there before he tried to initiate any kind of a 146 00:09:00.320 --> 00:09:03.159 traffic stop. So he just kind of kept pace with 147 00:09:03.559 --> 00:09:08.200 the pickup truck and you know, clocked the speed and 148 00:09:08.759 --> 00:09:11.720 you know, noted that the truck was speeding. I think 149 00:09:11.759 --> 00:09:14.440 he was going about ten or fifteen miles an hour 150 00:09:14.519 --> 00:09:18.879 over the speed limit. And then eventually he did intersect 151 00:09:18.960 --> 00:09:20.960 with the city. We saw city coming the other direction, 152 00:09:22.200 --> 00:09:24.919 and he turned on his lights and pulled the truck over. 153 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:30.519 Now, what was the most odd thing and the first 154 00:09:30.600 --> 00:09:33.480 thing one of the first things he noticed, and also 155 00:09:33.919 --> 00:09:37.879 quite unusual for the climate at that time that the 156 00:09:38.000 --> 00:09:40.600 officer noticed the first thing to date noticed. 157 00:09:41.759 --> 00:09:44.679 Yeah, well, the driver of the truck. It turned out 158 00:09:44.720 --> 00:09:50.720 to be a young, young, younger man, and he was 159 00:09:50.840 --> 00:09:56.720 wearing only shorts and a sweater of some kind. But 160 00:09:57.559 --> 00:10:00.960 the shorts aspect of it was certainly strange, considering it 161 00:10:01.080 --> 00:10:06.360 was late November at night, so it's certainly not appropriate 162 00:10:06.440 --> 00:10:10.000 for the for the weather. And that was the first 163 00:10:10.080 --> 00:10:12.200 odd thing he noticed. And then also when he when 164 00:10:12.279 --> 00:10:15.399 he looked in, he noticed that the driver had some 165 00:10:16.679 --> 00:10:21.159 smears of blood. It appeared to be on his face 166 00:10:21.360 --> 00:10:25.879 and on his legs as well. And then he also 167 00:10:26.039 --> 00:10:32.240 noticed what looked to be some a wet pool on 168 00:10:32.399 --> 00:10:34.559 the on the driver's mat by the driver's seat. There 169 00:10:36.360 --> 00:10:37.960 looked to be, you know, a pool of a little 170 00:10:38.000 --> 00:10:41.000 pool of blood there right, So that certainly raised more 171 00:10:41.039 --> 00:10:44.320 red flags, and he asked he eventually, you know, in 172 00:10:44.879 --> 00:10:46.960 discussion with the driver asked. 173 00:10:46.799 --> 00:10:47.840 Him, well, you know, what is this. 174 00:10:48.360 --> 00:10:50.399 Why do you have blood on you? What is this stuff? 175 00:10:50.440 --> 00:10:54.080 And the driver, who you know, it turns out, was 176 00:10:54.360 --> 00:10:57.320 Cody Ljakov. The driver told him that he had been 177 00:10:57.840 --> 00:11:01.120 out with a friend and they had been poaching and 178 00:11:01.360 --> 00:11:04.320 they had shot a deer and the deer had run off, 179 00:11:04.639 --> 00:11:09.279 and they had tracked it down and had put it 180 00:11:09.360 --> 00:11:16.039 out of its misery by either clubbing it or stabbing 181 00:11:16.080 --> 00:11:17.879 it with a knife. It was a little unclear what 182 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:20.080 his story was exactly, kind of changed it a little bit, 183 00:11:20.120 --> 00:11:23.440 but and that's the reason for the blood. And he 184 00:11:23.559 --> 00:11:26.759 made some sort of comment that, even though he knew 185 00:11:26.799 --> 00:11:30.840 it was illegal to be poaching, that I'm a redneck 186 00:11:30.919 --> 00:11:32.679 and that's the sort of thing we do for fun, 187 00:11:32.799 --> 00:11:38.799 basically is what he what he had said. So the officers, 188 00:11:38.919 --> 00:11:41.960 you know, found the story a little suspicious, and they 189 00:11:42.039 --> 00:11:48.039 ended up calling out a conservation officer since you know, 190 00:11:48.120 --> 00:11:53.200 allegedly there was poaching involved with it, and the conservation 191 00:11:53.320 --> 00:11:56.000 officer came out to the site there and joined them, 192 00:11:58.320 --> 00:12:00.279 and during the course of the stop, they you know, 193 00:12:00.360 --> 00:12:03.799 they also had spotted an open container of alcohol in 194 00:12:03.879 --> 00:12:08.000 the cabin of the truck, which had given them the 195 00:12:09.399 --> 00:12:13.200 the ability to go ahead and you know, initiate a 196 00:12:13.279 --> 00:12:16.759 full stop and search of the vehicle. 197 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:22.080 They also found a metal Leatherman multi toool with several 198 00:12:22.159 --> 00:12:25.120 knife blades attached, and when they opened that said that 199 00:12:25.200 --> 00:12:27.240 it was a red stain looked like blood on that, 200 00:12:27.320 --> 00:12:30.240 and they asked him about that, and he said something 201 00:12:30.279 --> 00:12:33.720 about that he'd killed some grouse. And then even Keller, 202 00:12:33.799 --> 00:12:36.080 the inexperienced cops, said there's no way that there's too 203 00:12:36.120 --> 00:12:39.120 much blood for that, and then he said, well, I 204 00:12:39.480 --> 00:12:42.000 used it on a deer before that. So these guys 205 00:12:42.080 --> 00:12:46.440 were already incredulous before they called the senior guy the Hill, 206 00:12:46.799 --> 00:12:49.240 the conservation officer didn't, weren't they. 207 00:12:50.919 --> 00:12:53.840 Yeah, as you mentioned, they did find out that leatherman 208 00:12:53.919 --> 00:12:59.240 multitool with the red stain on it, and certainly the 209 00:12:59.320 --> 00:13:03.399 story seemed to be become more and more questionable as 210 00:13:03.679 --> 00:13:07.919 as it went on, and as they found more things 211 00:13:07.960 --> 00:13:08.600 in the in the truck. 212 00:13:08.639 --> 00:13:15.559 There now the conservation officers, he's also an experienced police 213 00:13:15.600 --> 00:13:19.919 officer or in law enforcement, so he's a very experienced guy. 214 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:22.679 And what happens when he comes and what do they 215 00:13:22.759 --> 00:13:26.519 do in terms of to get his statement? 216 00:13:29.039 --> 00:13:32.200 Well, the conservation officer Cameron Hill. As you said, he 217 00:13:32.320 --> 00:13:36.840 was a quite experienced law enforcement officer. He had decades 218 00:13:36.879 --> 00:13:40.159 on the force, if I recall correctly. And he got 219 00:13:40.200 --> 00:13:42.519 called out there a little bit later in the night 220 00:13:42.600 --> 00:13:47.000 and showed up at the site there, and it was 221 00:13:47.120 --> 00:13:53.840 decided that he would interview Cody and try to get 222 00:13:53.879 --> 00:13:57.039 the full story from him. And you know, again he 223 00:13:57.120 --> 00:14:00.399 got the same sort of story that he was out 224 00:14:00.440 --> 00:14:07.120 in the area because basically his grandfather had told him 225 00:14:07.159 --> 00:14:10.120 about a road out there that had good hunting on 226 00:14:10.240 --> 00:14:12.080 it or something, and so he was out looking for 227 00:14:12.159 --> 00:14:14.480 the road his grandfather had told him about the hunting 228 00:14:14.519 --> 00:14:19.399 area his grandfather had told him about. And He'll basically said, well, 229 00:14:19.480 --> 00:14:21.360 you don't even have a rifle or anything. How are 230 00:14:21.360 --> 00:14:24.080 you gonna hunt, you know, without a gun for it 231 00:14:24.120 --> 00:14:26.440 or anything. And Cody just said, well, I'm just out 232 00:14:26.480 --> 00:14:27.720 here just to you know, just to kind of get 233 00:14:27.759 --> 00:14:29.120 a feel for the area and see if it's a 234 00:14:29.159 --> 00:14:31.600 good place to hunt at, you know, some other time 235 00:14:31.720 --> 00:14:35.000 or something. And He'll wasn't you know, He'll didn't buy it, 236 00:14:36.039 --> 00:14:39.120 you know, he said, you know, all these roads out 237 00:14:39.120 --> 00:14:41.279 here pretty much the same. You know, it just doesn't 238 00:14:41.279 --> 00:14:42.759 make sense that you would drive all the way out 239 00:14:42.799 --> 00:14:46.039 here just to check out this one particular road when 240 00:14:46.039 --> 00:14:51.919 they're all basically similar. And he, you know, he didn't 241 00:14:52.399 --> 00:14:56.559 he didn't buy into the story, and he didn't buy 242 00:14:56.600 --> 00:14:58.519 into the story about how the deer was killed and 243 00:14:59.519 --> 00:15:03.480 how they clubbed it with a wrench, which, by the way, 244 00:15:03.600 --> 00:15:05.879 was also found in the truck. There was a wrench, 245 00:15:07.240 --> 00:15:10.519 the metal wrench that also had red stains on it 246 00:15:10.600 --> 00:15:13.559 as well, and the you know, the threading part of 247 00:15:13.559 --> 00:15:16.759 the wrench there. So none of this was making any sense, 248 00:15:17.679 --> 00:15:21.679 and it was decided that somebody needed to go back 249 00:15:21.799 --> 00:15:26.879 to the road that Cody had come off of onto 250 00:15:26.960 --> 00:15:29.639 the highway and see what the heck was going on 251 00:15:29.759 --> 00:15:33.360 back there, particularly because one other thing they found in 252 00:15:33.399 --> 00:15:38.000 the truck was a backpack, a monkey backpack, a backpack 253 00:15:38.240 --> 00:15:41.320 you know, in the form of a monkey shape basically, 254 00:15:41.399 --> 00:15:44.000 and when they looked inside it there they found an 255 00:15:44.080 --> 00:15:51.600 ID of a girl's ID identification and it raised the 256 00:15:52.480 --> 00:15:55.120 red flags even more so they decided they definitely needed 257 00:15:55.159 --> 00:15:56.720 to check out the road. 258 00:15:59.000 --> 00:16:03.200 Yes, so the woman was Lauren Dawn Taves, and when 259 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:05.039 they did run a check on her, she was a 260 00:16:05.639 --> 00:16:09.960 missing person. So now they really knew they had something, 261 00:16:10.039 --> 00:16:10.399 didn't they. 262 00:16:11.559 --> 00:16:13.559 Yeah, it was certainly looking like there was a lot 263 00:16:13.639 --> 00:16:15.679 more going on here than just some poaching. 264 00:16:18.159 --> 00:16:20.519 Now, they decided to go back to this road. So 265 00:16:20.679 --> 00:16:23.559 tell us about the decision to go back and what 266 00:16:23.720 --> 00:16:24.720 happens when they do that. 267 00:16:26.519 --> 00:16:28.440 Well, you know, they kind of talked amongst themselves and 268 00:16:28.679 --> 00:16:30.559 they figured, well, he would probably be the best one 269 00:16:30.639 --> 00:16:33.080 to do it because he was most familiar with those 270 00:16:33.159 --> 00:16:35.639 back roads, and he had a four wheel drive truck, 271 00:16:35.759 --> 00:16:38.000 and you know, it'd be best for him to do it. 272 00:16:38.080 --> 00:16:38.440 He was just. 273 00:16:40.039 --> 00:16:42.200 Had the best equipment and whatnot for it, and and 274 00:16:42.279 --> 00:16:47.360 knowledge of the area. So so you know, about this 275 00:16:47.440 --> 00:16:50.720 is about eleven thirty by now. And he went back 276 00:16:50.759 --> 00:16:53.679 and turned down the old road and it was an 277 00:16:53.720 --> 00:16:57.200 old bogging road that wasn't really used much anymore. And 278 00:16:57.799 --> 00:17:03.240 followed the tire tracks basically in this know, back down 279 00:17:03.279 --> 00:17:05.599 the road there and eventually came to a point where 280 00:17:05.640 --> 00:17:11.039 the tracks ended, and he, uh, you know, he got 281 00:17:11.079 --> 00:17:14.640 out and saw some sort of tracks, other tracks in 282 00:17:14.680 --> 00:17:17.920 the snow there. The snow had been disturbed. There was 283 00:17:17.960 --> 00:17:20.480 an area there and they kind of the tracks kind 284 00:17:20.480 --> 00:17:23.000 of led off into you know, the bush, the tree 285 00:17:23.039 --> 00:17:26.839 line a little bit there, and so he followed it 286 00:17:26.839 --> 00:17:31.160 along in the snow there and eventually made a gruesome 287 00:17:31.200 --> 00:17:37.880 discovery which turned out to be Laurence Lauren's body there 288 00:17:37.920 --> 00:17:42.359 in the snow where Cody had had left her. And 289 00:17:43.400 --> 00:17:47.079 you know, it turned out when when Keller happened upon 290 00:17:47.160 --> 00:17:50.480 him on the highway there, he was essentially fleeing the 291 00:17:50.519 --> 00:17:52.680 scene of the murder site. 292 00:17:55.720 --> 00:17:58.279 Well, let's let's we've got to give him and I 293 00:17:58.480 --> 00:18:01.039 not that we give credibility or reads to his story, 294 00:18:01.160 --> 00:18:05.519 but of course all along the way he is lying, conniving, 295 00:18:05.640 --> 00:18:08.000 thinking he might be able to outsmart police at some 296 00:18:08.119 --> 00:18:13.839 point because he has as we'll find out. But tell 297 00:18:13.920 --> 00:18:16.160 us what the injuries were, the extent of the injuries. 298 00:18:16.279 --> 00:18:21.119 What exactly did they find in terms of her injuries? 299 00:18:21.480 --> 00:18:22.920 The young woman's injuries. 300 00:18:24.720 --> 00:18:35.200 Well, Lauren was very savagely beaten bludgeoned her. It turned 301 00:18:35.240 --> 00:18:40.599 out her her face was so badly damaged that they 302 00:18:40.920 --> 00:18:46.400 had difficulty being able to identify her. And you know 303 00:18:46.480 --> 00:18:49.839 that turned out they had to to really identify her, 304 00:18:49.880 --> 00:18:53.559 that they had to find a tattoo elsewhere on her 305 00:18:53.599 --> 00:18:57.680 body because her face was just so you know, just 306 00:18:57.920 --> 00:19:03.160 just just just pulverized. She was not a big girl, 307 00:19:04.039 --> 00:19:08.680 and Cody was a pretty big guy, and he had 308 00:19:08.720 --> 00:19:11.960 beat her pretty bad, you know, with the wrench that 309 00:19:12.039 --> 00:19:16.039 they'd found, the piperrinch that they'd found, and it had 310 00:19:16.079 --> 00:19:16.920 done a lot of damage. 311 00:19:18.359 --> 00:19:21.960 So obviously they have this crime scene, and now this 312 00:19:22.119 --> 00:19:25.400 crime has turned into something completely different, obviously just through 313 00:19:25.599 --> 00:19:31.039 some dogged police work here and a psychopathic killer that 314 00:19:31.200 --> 00:19:34.279 was maybe oblivious to how close he could be to 315 00:19:34.680 --> 00:19:42.000 being arrested. Let's go back with Cody Alan Ledjabakoff and 316 00:19:43.039 --> 00:19:45.839 talk about his life. We alluded to it or spoke 317 00:19:46.079 --> 00:19:47.960 mentioned it in the introduction that he came from a 318 00:19:48.039 --> 00:19:52.319 well respected family. How well respected and why so respected 319 00:19:52.400 --> 00:19:56.559 and how normal was his family? Really tell us about 320 00:19:56.720 --> 00:20:00.319 the family and his upbringing. As far as you nicle 321 00:20:00.400 --> 00:20:02.759 in the book, well. 322 00:20:03.920 --> 00:20:07.440 As best as I was able to determine, he came 323 00:20:07.519 --> 00:20:13.240 from a very seemingly normal family. They were highly regarded 324 00:20:13.319 --> 00:20:15.559 in the community. He was, you know, raised in the 325 00:20:15.599 --> 00:20:19.559 Fort Saint James area, and his his family had been 326 00:20:19.640 --> 00:20:24.240 there for quite a while. They had a lumber mill 327 00:20:25.160 --> 00:20:28.920 there that they operated for years and years and eventually sold. 328 00:20:28.960 --> 00:20:31.400 But they were they were a well known family and 329 00:20:31.480 --> 00:20:34.799 they were, you know, they were thought of highly and 330 00:20:36.279 --> 00:20:40.640 Cody was very popular. He was he had a lot 331 00:20:40.680 --> 00:20:44.720 of friends in school. He played a lot of sports, 332 00:20:45.200 --> 00:20:48.440 you know, he excelled in in ice hockey, played that 333 00:20:48.559 --> 00:20:52.720 for years and years and years, and really had friends 334 00:20:52.799 --> 00:20:56.119 both both of both sexes. You know, he had male 335 00:20:56.200 --> 00:20:58.559 friends and female friends as well, and it was just 336 00:20:58.640 --> 00:21:03.279 a really popular, well thought of guy. Everybody already seemed 337 00:21:03.319 --> 00:21:03.799 to like him. 338 00:21:06.319 --> 00:21:13.759 Any contact with police or any psychiatric background whatsoever, not. 339 00:21:13.839 --> 00:21:15.920 That I came across. But he didn't have any kind 340 00:21:15.960 --> 00:21:21.519 of police record or encounters with law enforcement, no sort 341 00:21:21.559 --> 00:21:29.000 of psychiatric counseling that that was a parent. 342 00:21:30.960 --> 00:21:34.119 And from interviews from friends, I know he was young. 343 00:21:34.279 --> 00:21:37.559 So it's not to say that you couldn't be duped 344 00:21:37.640 --> 00:21:42.400 from a relationship that was fairly wasn't that wasn't that long. 345 00:21:43.839 --> 00:21:48.160 But what was all indications about his character? Was there 346 00:21:48.200 --> 00:21:54.839 any hint at violence or anything untowards whatsoever. 347 00:21:56.319 --> 00:21:59.880 No, there really wasn't. And that's you know, one of 348 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:04.400 the things that made it such a shock to his 349 00:22:05.720 --> 00:22:08.119 you know, not just his his family members, but his 350 00:22:08.319 --> 00:22:12.920 friends and the people in the community there in Fort 351 00:22:12.960 --> 00:22:14.640 Say James as well. It was just you know, there 352 00:22:14.759 --> 00:22:18.240 was nothing really to indicate that he had any sort 353 00:22:18.279 --> 00:22:24.839 of violent tendencies. You know, some some some one of 354 00:22:24.920 --> 00:22:28.240 his friends had mentioned that, you know, he had he'd 355 00:22:28.279 --> 00:22:32.480 had chances to be violent at times and never had. 356 00:22:32.799 --> 00:22:34.799 So it was just a complete shock that wasn't any 357 00:22:34.839 --> 00:22:38.359 indication of this, you know, he had. And in fact, 358 00:22:38.400 --> 00:22:44.920 he had been living with three female roommates, three friends 359 00:22:44.960 --> 00:22:48.599 of his, and you know, had they'd been getting along fine, 360 00:22:48.599 --> 00:22:51.240 there had been any kind of inkling, There had been 361 00:22:51.279 --> 00:22:53.839 no inkling whatsoever for any of these folks that he'd 362 00:22:53.880 --> 00:22:57.160 come into contact with that he would be capable of 363 00:22:57.480 --> 00:23:01.279 brutally murdering a young young girl, you know, young fifteen 364 00:23:01.359 --> 00:23:04.480 year old girl, which you Lauren was. 365 00:23:06.599 --> 00:23:11.400 Now to attest to this normalcy. He has a girlfriend 366 00:23:11.480 --> 00:23:17.559 named Amy Vole Boyle, and tell us where what he's doing. 367 00:23:17.720 --> 00:23:19.640 Is he in school, is he working? What does he 368 00:23:19.759 --> 00:23:23.200 do as an occupation or what is his ambition? And 369 00:23:23.440 --> 00:23:26.759 tell us a little bit about Amy Voyl She's very 370 00:23:26.759 --> 00:23:28.480 important in this story as well, So tell us a 371 00:23:28.519 --> 00:23:33.119 little bit about that relationship and basically what was he 372 00:23:33.200 --> 00:23:36.359 doing at that time, at that age, at nineteen. 373 00:23:37.599 --> 00:23:43.000 Well, yeah, he was working in Prince George at a 374 00:23:43.079 --> 00:23:47.400 Ford dealership. He was in working in the parts department there. 375 00:23:49.279 --> 00:23:55.680 His a family friend was the owner or the manager 376 00:23:55.720 --> 00:23:58.680 of the Ford Dealership, and so he had you know, 377 00:23:58.839 --> 00:24:02.000 gotten into contact with him and ended up planning a 378 00:24:02.160 --> 00:24:03.720 job there. And so he was he was working there 379 00:24:03.720 --> 00:24:05.680 at the Ford Dealership, and that's where he met Amy 380 00:24:06.680 --> 00:24:09.759 who you mentioned, and she, you know, she hit it 381 00:24:09.799 --> 00:24:13.200 off with them and they started dating very seriously, and 382 00:24:14.960 --> 00:24:17.359 essentially where you know, one was spending the night at 383 00:24:17.359 --> 00:24:21.680 the others pretty much every night pretty soon after they 384 00:24:21.720 --> 00:24:23.960 started going out and and at the time was the 385 00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:26.039 rest he'd he'd been going out with her for several 386 00:24:26.119 --> 00:24:29.640 months very seriously, and they you know, they had you know, 387 00:24:29.880 --> 00:24:32.519 been been far enough along in the relationship and serious 388 00:24:32.640 --> 00:24:37.599 enough about her that they were talking about each other's 389 00:24:38.319 --> 00:24:41.319 sharing the future together and future plans, and they were 390 00:24:41.359 --> 00:24:44.799 going to move in together, and uh, you know, he 391 00:24:44.960 --> 00:24:46.519 was going to work his way up at the Ford 392 00:24:46.599 --> 00:24:51.519 Dealership and she was going to school. She was going 393 00:24:51.559 --> 00:24:55.839 into to local college there and wanted to eventually be 394 00:24:55.960 --> 00:24:59.920 a teacher, and they were they were planning a life 395 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:01.839 together at the time. They were playing a future together 396 00:25:02.960 --> 00:25:06.599 and you know, of course, she had no idea of 397 00:25:06.759 --> 00:25:09.200 this other side to him, just like all the other folks. 398 00:25:10.599 --> 00:25:12.880 So it was there was a big shock to her 399 00:25:12.960 --> 00:25:16.880 as well when he was arrested and the information came 400 00:25:16.960 --> 00:25:20.599 out about his prior victims. 401 00:25:23.880 --> 00:25:27.200