Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of the Chicks on the Right podcast.
Very excited today to have the host of D Programmed
with Carrie Smith with us. She is a former self
described former social justice warrior. We have been mutual follows
on x for like forever now, and of course we
share a lot of the same concerns about the cult
of Candace Owens, which we'll get to her in a minute.
But first we want to know because one of the
reasons that we were super interested in having you on
is just your own experience dprogramming from wokeness, So we
want to hear about that, and then we'll get into
some of the current cults that need deprogramming.
Speaker 2: So tell us your story first. Yes, well, first of all,
thank you for having me on. Ladies, have I just
wanted to say this new media landscape has been changing.
I'm sure you guys have noticed in the past year.
Everybody's looking for new shows. People have sworn off shows
they used to watch, like I can't watch Megan anymore
Jane personally, and so your show is the number one
show that everyone I know is talking about. I'm very
excited to be here.
Speaker 1: It only took us seventeen years great, Thank you, Carrie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my story is it's a long story the short
and I've told it several times. If people want the
long version, the trigonometry episode's probably good, but the short
version is. I started waking up around the same time that,
like maybe the first wave of people did in twenty sixteen.
For me personally, it was I didn't know other people
were going through this. I didn't realize I was in
a cult I had. I thought I was just in liberalism,
ladies and yeah. I picked up in college and I
took it into my career. I worked in entertainment and
I managed comedians. I produced television shows with those comedians.
I produced a late night show called Totally Biased that
was totally woke. It was the first woke late night show.
I really thought like I was one of the true believers.
Like I thought, this is we're ending racism and sexism
with comedy, Like we're fighting all this oppression, all these isms.
Everything I had learned in college, I was putting it
to use to change the world kind of idea. And
so I understand a lot of young people who get
pulled into it through that sort of idealistic lens, like
it preys on people's empathy. And sometimes I talk to
parents who are who tried to tell me, they're like,
my kid got pulled into this, and she's saying all
these horrible things now you know, and calls me a
white supremacist and all this stuff. But she's got such
a good heart. And I'm like, I know, I know.
They prey on people with good hearts and it changes them.
And so so yeah, I was in it twenty years wow,
and I pushed it now all all facets of my life,
my work, and then and then twenty sixteen, it was
seeing the violence around that election season that really started
to shake me and wake me up. A lot of
a lot of it was an emotional change for me. First,
it hit me emotionally before I started. You could have
given me all the facts in the world. I would
have stayed in that cult forever. But seeing something that
emotionally affected me is what started to change me. Slowly,
it was a slow process. So so that's kind of
when I talk to people who have family and friends
who are in it, it's always like sometimes people want
like this easy answer of like what book did you read? What? Uh? Podcasts?
Can I send them? And I can make suggestions for
those things, but there's no key. There's not like an
easy key of like this is good to wake up
your loved one, and they're going to stop, you know,
calling you a tool of the patriarchy. So were you
you were you were at Duke? Right? Is that what
was at Duke?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So were you? Were you liberal before?
Speaker 3: I know you saying that they kind of are the
ones that well, the just being an undergraduate being in
school will change. And we've heard that from a lot
of parents, Like we get a lot of emails from
a lot of parents. But were you leaning liberal before
you went at all? Or were you just apolitical? You
weren't even thinking about politics really at that point.
Speaker 2: No. I actually was raised in a Southern Baptist, a
small town southern community.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 2: I'm from South Carolina and I there were certain things
that happened in my childhood. I will say this. You
know how the Bible talks about you know, Jesus says
the Millstone verse, like if you lead these little ones astray,
it would be better for you that a millstone were
tired around your ankle and you were thrown into the
sea than what it waits for you, and it's like,
that's like the worst thing you can do is lead
people astray when they're looking for Christ, when they're looking
for the Way, the truth, and the life. And so
this is why it's so important for Christians to be
faithful witnesses, and why the false shepherds like Candice Owens,
people who falsely claim the name of Christ make me
so angry because when you said, a bad example for
a child of what Christianity is, and then they run
from Christ because of that, because of what you did,
because of what you because of your bad witness or
your lies, or your hypocritical witness for God. So I
had certain things in my childhood that kind of set
me on this path of opposition towards Christ, towards God,
towards Republicanism, towards anything about where I came from. And
and so I was ripe for the pickin when I
got to college. And now I look back on it,
you know, with the benefit of time, and hopefully hopefully
I'm more wise than I was then. But you look
back on with the benefit of time and you're like, oh,
I you know what people say about woke being a religion,
it really is like I've I fell into that that
religion because now there was suddenly a whole, there was
a gap, there was something, There was no foundation. When
I got into college, I was foundation free. I was
looking for a god right and it was woke. Was
that God? I just didn't recognize it as such. I
didn't recognize it as a faith until much later.
Speaker 1: So what, I'm so curious because you're talking about the
violence excuse me of twenty sixteen that sort.
Speaker 2: Of woke you up.
Speaker 1: But like, so, is there hope for people who, for example,
saw what happened to Charlie Kirk and got even crazier, Like,
they're even more horrible. They've lost all sense of humanity.
They mock that day, they say horrible things about how
he deserved it, et cetera, et cetera. I mean, can
that level of a loss of humanity be turned around
or are they just like lost causes.
Speaker 2: That's a great question, and I struggled with that question myself.
I'll just be honest. I think anybody can be turned around.
I do, but let me after that happened, I saw
people go both directions, as I'm sure you did. I
saw some people start to wake up. I saw people
who just like me were the I'm like the unlikeliest
person who would ever come to Christ. Like when I
was in college, I became such a hateful, spiteful through
this woke religion. Over time, I was so disfigured.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 2: I just never could have imagined that I was. I
was spiteful. I was bigoted towards Christians. I would send
at Christmas. I would send my Christian aunt Christmas cards
that mocked Christ like, who does that?
Speaker 3: Wow?
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? Like that was fitful
like and so I just never the younger me would
be just like cringing that I became a Christian. Hopefully
the younger me, though, could see like, wow, she's got
this joy though that I don't have, Like what is that?
You know? Yeah? But so I say, this is like
anybody can change. And I saw people who after Charlie
was murdered like that affected them to such a degree.
I have friends who started going in church for the
first time. I have a friend who came to Christ
who got a first Bible, is going to church faithfully,
who talks to me about we do zooms about God.
I have I know strangers online, so I know people who,
through that act of evil, like God used it for good,
like that verse in Genesis, like you intended to harm me,
but God intended it for good. I know people who
it worked for their good, right, But then I know
the opposite. Yeah, one of the one of the parents
I've talked to since in the past year, since that happened,
for the first time, going through what many people have
gone through for years. You know, her forty something year
old son cut her off. It pushed him further into
the cult. He suddenly started posting all this stuff about
Charlie Kirk is evil and racist, and he was buying it.
He probably had never heard of Charlie Kirk until then,
but then all of a sudden, he's hearing all the
wrong things, right, all these lies, believes them, of course,
and then he starts posting stuff about, you know, I'm
gonna have to cut off all of my Trump voting
family members and anybody who likes Charlie Kirk, and then
you know, insulting, posting private texts from the family where
they're trying to figure out. These are elderly parents, right
who are trying to figure out, like what's happening, Like
I love you, what we can disagree about politics, and
just like filth coming out of this person's mouth and
then you know, cutting her off after after being in
you know, having what seemed like a good relationship for
so many years, you know, faithfully checking in with each
other weekly, that kind of thing, and then just to
have nothing and to go to just to go to
just profanity and vulgarities. And so I've talked to someone
who's like newly freshly dealing with that and trying to
understand what's happened to my child, my adult child, like yeah,
and so yeah, it can go both directions, and that
kind of person. Yeah, I say pray for them still.
My aunt pray for me for twenty years and she
has told me and my grandma prayed for me too.
My grandma died before I came to I was still
in the cult when my grandma died. But my aunt
I said something about this once on social media. It
was like, and I bet my grandma. I bet my
grandma and my aunt there were times where they thought
it wasn't working. And my aunt swers over the comments,
is like you're damn right, like you know, like, yeah,
there are many times you're stubborn.
Speaker 3: It's like it's I guess it's like what I'm hearing
is that there's like and I want to give people
the benefit that there are times where I'm like, I
just want to divorce. I just want to I want
to be disconnected from these people. But I know, as
a Christian, I I am supposed to pray for these people.
I'm supposed to hold out hope that maybe because but
TDS is a hell of a drug. And I think
a lot of people who are hurting they think, Okay,
well I'm hurting, so I got to blame somebody for
this hurt or this hole. That's it's kind of like,
you know, I have a daughter sixteen, and you know,
when girls are mean, I always say, it's it's not
a reflection of you, honey, It's a reflection of what's
going on in there heart. And they're trying to feel
something or they're trying to lash out and blame other
people for the fact that they're just not whole yet,
you know. And I think a lot of these people
are They're just hurting and they want to blame somebody
for it, you know.
Speaker 2: They want to have control. They feel like I think
it's like very much a you know, that sort of
thing about wanting to be God, where it's like I
want to be able to have even the woke right
stuff and the conspiracy stuff on the right and all
of this crazy web of it seems so obvious, like
how could you fall for any of this crapwing totally,
But you know what it gives people in an uncertain world.
Look COVID, all the lies that they told us. It
pulled the carpet out from a lot of people who
still had, like, for whatever reason, like a very strong
trust or faith in the government and the media. And
so those people, a lot of those people, I think
they're just looking for something to cling on to again.
And so if there's this evil person taking advantage of
that and is like here's the good guys, here's the
bad guys. Some of it, some of it is so convoluted, insane,
but it's very simple. It's like Israel bad guy, Trump
bad guy, you know, like America bad guy, and you're like, okay,
I got I'm great. Now I've got my bad guys,
I got my marching orders. Like everything makes sense. There's
a pat answer for everything. Well, and I think one
of this.
Speaker 1: One of the things that Candice does really well is
that she convinces people that that the right and the
left are the same and that it's hopeless, like the
whole government apparatus is completely whacked out, and like there
is everybody is essentially deep stated, and there's no one
that you can trust and so automatically, yeah, exactly, And
she's so good at making people feel like they're in
this this club, the secret schedule club.
Speaker 2: And then when you.
Speaker 1: Have no one in government, when you're made to believe
that you cannot trust anything or anyone, then you do
feel completely black pilled and doomed out and there's no
hope in you know, being a productive citizen who goes
out and vote and changes changes outcomes with elections, because
you think the whole system is rigged. And so of
course people are going to be like, well, I mean,
she speaking my language and she understands me, you know
what I mean. I can see, yes, we can see
the tactics and the strategy behind it. But it's so
mind boggling to me that people who are in it
or just getting in it, like all these crazy wine
moms who think that they're like part of the investigation
are doing the slew thing.
Speaker 2: How do they not see how.
Speaker 1: Obvious it is that they're being played. I just it
baffles me.
Speaker 2: I think it only works if you're I mean, you
have to be without foundation, because it's like me, when
I went to college, I was foundationless And that's why
WOTE worked on me, because I was looking for a god.
I was looking for certainty. I was looking and I
picked something that was shifting sands. But I picked it.
I thought it was solid. This explains the whole world, right,
Like Woke left, it was like, oh, it's pretty simple again.
It gives you that sense of control. It's like they're
good guys and bad guys. They're called oppressors and the oppressed. Yes,
And you can determine who people are based on their
identity groups. Aha, you know, like and you have different
degrees of being good and being bad based on your
identity groups. And we just need to like take power
from some of these groups and give it to these
other identity groups and then everything will be equal and
will be in utopia. And I need to go out
and be a missionary for this and explain it to people.
And they take advantage of young people who are able
to articulate what is unintelligible, like they'd kind of it's
like your your job becomes like trying to explain this
thing that doesn't make sense, Like racism is prejudice plus power,
therefore it's impossible will be you know, racist towards a
white person, like all those things that you come up with,
these circular definitions and stuff, and it's your job to
go and make it make sense. Yeah, that's the truth.
That's the same with Canda. She spouts all this crap
and then the people who are they have a lack
of found I know a lot of them. I've interacted
with them. When she featured me on her podcast, there
were thousands of them who sought me out. That's why
I know they're not all bots, because she's not like
she linked my Facebook. They've been found my Facebook. All
these women with like christ Is King in their bios,
they think they're Christians. They're not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's some of the worst people around, but they're
so wrong. They're wrong of what they're doing. But I
think that maybe and maybe I'm just gullible and like
a little bit, and I think some of these people
probably know that this is a grift.
Speaker 2: But now they're so.
Speaker 3: In it that they don't they don't want to admit
how freaking unbelievably wrong they are, So I would there's
probably at least a couple handfuls, if not, you know,
a lot more where they're just like, nope, I got
a double, triple and quadruple down on this because you know,
like when you deprogrammed, how that must have been challenging
because you're basically like, I've been wrong all this time,
I've been hoodwinked, Like, how how did you get out
of it?
Speaker 2: How do you how do you get out of that? Well?
I had a soul crushing midlife crisis and got a divorce. Okay,
so you got to do that. I'm kidding.
Speaker 3: I lost.
Speaker 2: Yeah, actually it is. I'd kind of joke about that,
but it is true that a lot of the people
I've talked to who left the left and like actually
left it. You know, at a certain point we started
succeeding in the culture ward to such a degree that
it became a griff to say that you left the left,
like it was like a career move. Like, No, at
the beginning, when people were leaving it, it was like you
were actually losing everything, like I lost my career, my
social circle, my friends, like all of it. Like you
had to be willing to sacrifice all that plus your
sense of identity. Yeah, who you thought? That's hard, that's
hard hard, And so it's like and so I joke
about it, but actually the people I talked to who've
gone through the same thing, like I have a friend
you lady should talk to at some point Josh slocom
who is a gay, uh, just a cerbic wit, just
very funny, skeptical guy who was in the woke left
who also woke up and left it, and we have
he has a similar Like it was almost like we
had to hit a personal crisis first, because it's such
a like you're saying it's sunk in costs, like you've
sunk so much cost into it that you don't want
to admit you're wrong or you can't. Your identities wrapped
up in at your careers, wrapped up in at your family,
your friends, whatever. It's sort of like the de transitioners,
they've put so much into transitioning this my identity and
that's who I am and whatever, and everybody's brought into it,
and everyone's praising me and then to come out of
that and realize you were conned and you conned yourself,
Like that's so hard to do and you almost have
to hit a rock bottom. And so I really had
hit a rock bottom in all ask like every aspect
of my life.
Speaker 1: And did that come before then you saw the twenty
sixteen violence that kind of opened your eyes or was
it all kind of happening at the same time?
Speaker 2: For me, it was happening at the same time. I
was going through a separation. My ex husband and I
were trying to say if we're going to stay married.
I was an active alcoholic. I had not yet gotten
sober or grappled with that. And and then my and see,
here's the thing. When you go through difficult times, this
is how this is how you know the woke religion
is false. There's nothing there for you. There's nothing there
for you to hold you, to put you on a
high rock and protect you the way God does. You know,
like there's nothing there for you. And you're like, wait
a minute, this is a religion and it has all
these different rituals and you've got this sort of this
perverted concept of sin that that's that's called privilege, and
you've got these different things that it's borrowed and mutated
and perverted from Christianity. But there's no creator, there's no
loving creator. There's nothing diff for you, and there's no
wisdom about how to live your life when you have
difficulties like in your marriage or career with family or
what have you, or when you're questioning your beliefs, like
there's nothing there. And so I was like stripped bare
of everything. And that's when I saw. I was watching
these videos coming out of the election season, people attacking
Trump supporters like violently, like throwing things, eggs, a this
one woman bricks, bloodying people chasing them down outside of rallies.
And I also saw the sniper at the BLM rally
in Dallas who killed all those people. And the way
that my echo chamber responded to it, my woke world
was just like with the Charlie Kirk thing, kind of
like celebrating. It wasn't as bad as it's gotten now,
but it was pretty bad. They were like tongue in
cheek like celebrating.
Speaker 1: And the Meetia.
Speaker 3: It doesn't help me. Yeah, I feel like it's kind
of complicit with the with the Left and wokeism and
all that stuff because they sort of encourage and enable
it all the time.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like there's Do you feel like there's
a connection, because I think that we kind of do see.
Speaker 2: That there is.
Speaker 1: Always It's like, as soon as you find a Candace
cult member, you're also looking at an Israel hater, Like
these things go hand in hand, you can, and it's
a prediction if somebody is anti Jewish or anti Israel,
they almost certainly believe in the nonsense that she spews.
Speaker 2: What is that? What is that? That's how I feel like,
I think anyway, that's one of the hallmarks of like
how you can tell that it's sort of a cult
faith because you're buying everything part and parcel, like with
Woke Left. So for example, if I know someone who
if I find out that you believe that men can
become women, then I also pretty much know what you
think about systemic oppression totally. Or you know, like it's
sort of those things go part and parcel, you're buying
in for the whole package. Yeah, yep, And I think
it's similar. Yeah with the Candace stuff.
Speaker 1: That's just it's such a weird marrying of two seemingly
unrelated things, you know what I mean, like the murder
of Charlie Kirk, hating a tiny country in the Middle East,
Like why did these things become so connected? But they
are because you can see it. I'm sure you've you've
you've experienced the same thing whenever you post anything on
x for example, about Candace and her crazy cult, following
the responses that you get are all you were paid
seven thousand for this post. Yeah, we're saying about like
Israel stuff, not Candace stuff. And then you realize these
are the same freaky people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the same freaky people, and they you know, for
the first year or so that was happening to me,
I'd like you, Daisy, I was like, what are you
talking about? I'm like, I don't I didn't say anything
about it. I don't have anything to say about I
don't know enough about it, Like I almost did, never
post about Israel. I don't have thoughts about it. Now
I've started to develop some thoughts based on how I've
been treated the past couple of years, and I'm like, well,
it seems like all the crazy people think this thing. Yeah,
and so what be with the crazy people? I mean,
they're having the opposite effect on the right and so,
but I don't have thoughts about it, and so at
first it was like really shocking to me. Or I'd
be like, I'm not making do you think I'm paying now?
I just find it funny, or I just lean into
it on Facebook and stuff, they like, Oh, I see
you made seven thousand dollars. I'm like, I sure did
cha ching And I made thirty five hundred from your
comment you like, because if you're that stuff, you deserve
to be totally. Yeah, we do our share of that.
I'm curious.
Speaker 3: So do you do you think that Candice and Tucker
and all these you know, people who have become giant disappointments.
Do you think they believe what they spew or do
you think it is just a total grift and they're
just counning people and they're doing it because they're making
crap tons of money.
Speaker 2: What do you think? Well, Candace, I think is a
malignant narcissist. I think she's clustered, me psychopath. It doesn't matter.
They're all talking about the same thing. It doesn't matter
if you call it dark triad. In my opinion, dark triad,
malignant narciss is all the same, lack of empathy, grandiosity,
a willingness to do anything, like, no sense of shame.
There's it's the Macavelian nature of it, where it's like
by any means necessary, like she will do anything. She
will lie about anything, it doesn't matter if you've got
video evidence right there to disprove her. If she will
lie about what she said yesterday when you got the
video like that, if you.
Speaker 3: Cross her, she wants to destroy you, which was also sociopathic.
Speaker 2: Yes, And I've come across this type before, unfortunately, And
I don't think I think they know. I think she
knows what she is, really knows she is a monster.
I do. I don't think she believes her own crap.
She knows she's lying, and she takes lee in it.
You understand, because it's like we don't understand. If you don't,
A normal person can't wrap their head around that because
you're not a sadist. I do. That's the thing.
Speaker 1: I get that she wants attention, but like that she
knows this about herself is almost unthinkable to me, Like
I cannot process how somebody can be that intentionally cruel
and psychotic.
Speaker 2: I just cannot.
Speaker 3: But I think she continues to do it though, because
of all the fans and because of the people who
tell you're so great, am.
Speaker 2: I going you are queen? You're our queen?
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, And so I agree with you, though Carrie,
I don't. I think it's a huge grift.
Speaker 2: I really do. And she's just that bad crap. She's
that what reportedly Eric has said in private, Like who
even knows that? But everybody's freaking about Oh my goodness,
she said this in private. She's a soul a school.
She is a soul of school. That is how I
view them. Yeah, And so I don't someone like her
like it's she doesn't believe anything. People will say, Oh
I think she really you know, she's lying about being conservative,
she's really a leftist, or she's lying about this. It
doesn't matter. She's nothing. This woman is a nihilist. The
only thing she believes in is herself. Like there's nothing.
She will say this one day and this one day
and this one. It's all a tactic. It's the left
is is is very cluster b in a lot of ways,
like they're sort of they'll say, like the way in
which they manipulate words, you know how they'll change. They'll
say this, they'll push this argument if it wins, like
they'll push uh. They'll pretend like they care about bodily
autonomy if it if it helps them with the abortion thing.
They'll say like, my body, my choice, and you can't
give the government the right to control your body. And
they and they make you think that they really believe it,
and you're like, oh, I understand bodily autonomy, Okay, I can.
And then you know, COVID comes and they're like, you
better take that. I thought you didn't. So it doesn't
Words don't mean things to them. They're just tools to
control and manipulate. And that's what Candas is. Like she
could say anything today, anything tomorrow, and I think trying
to figure out what does she really believe is a
fool's errand because she doesn't believe anything except in herself. Yes,
like agree, so agree?
Speaker 1: Switching gears real quick? What do you make of the
Tate Brothers arrest.
Speaker 2: God Bless Florida? Right?
Speaker 1: It's so crazy to me to watch like the PbD podcast,
guys all mad about it. They're all defending the tapes
and this is like, you know, I don't know. This
is government overreach and we shouldn't be extraditing them and
all this nutsense. And I'm just like, why why would
you want to defend ever these scumbags. I will never
understand it, but it makes sense.
Speaker 2: Is friends with them, So of course Das is close
personal friends with a lot of people who've been charged
with rape or I'm sorry, I don't know if you
can say that word, edit it if you can't, but
who've been charged with these crimes. And you know her
funder scientologists, funder John Mappin has Epstein like he actually
is Epstein ties he's in Epstein's Little Black Book. Like
there's all these different weird connections like that. Look with PbD,
I've always gotten a bad GT read on him. That's
just me. I don't know sometimes and I try to
listen to my gut more. I just then somebody told
me about his past financial whatever, and I'm like, okay,
Like some people are in some people are giving commentary
just to like build a brand, just to just to
build a brand, not that you shouldn't have ambitions or
want to have like a successful channel, and what you
do you want it to be successful? Yes? You want
people to hear if you have opinions, obviously you want
them to hear it. But when it becomes like that's
just the goal is just to have a successful show,
and that's the number one goal. I just I don't know,
I just get that sense from him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of no, I mean, there's a
lot of people that are like that, caring. Yeah, people,
we've seen it over the past two decades. It's pretty remarkable.
Speaker 2: It is, and it just and even people I think
you have good intentions over time can be corrupted by it.
I mean, it corrupts and so who knows, but I don't.
I don't. There's also there's this like libertarian whole that
a lot of people fall into where they think something
is about like uh, like you said, what did what
did you say? Mock that people were saying this is
an abuse government overreach, yes, you know, and those people
sometimes I try to have conversations with them and understand
what they like think about. And a lot of them
believe there should be no laws. Like a lot of
them are like I'm and cap now, I'm like what
does that mean? Like we don't need any government or
any laws. And people will naturally learn to self government it.
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, that would work out great.
Speaker 2: I just that's when I finally realized, no, I'm not
I'm not liberty. For years after I left the wook Loft,
people were telling me I would interview people and so
they'd be like, oh, you're a libertarian, and I would.
I went to a libertarian conference I was invited to
my I'm like, okay, I can get with a lot
of these ideas. I do have a lot of libertarian beliefs,
but there was always something holding me back from saying
I'm a libertarian. And I finally realized it's because they,
I think, are they don't understand humans? Yes, like they
don't understand human evil, even their own capacity for it.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, because there's a lot of like the whole
atheist thing is very strong in that crowd. And it's like, yeah,
I know, it's they don't win either. So you know,
I keep going, you do you libertarians?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Carrie, let's they try to say, well, you
said tates. I found it fascinating to see who was
propping up the Tates and who wasn't, Like even Benny Johnson,
I'll just say Benny Johnson had him on and was
marketing him to It wasn't It wasn't an investigative journalist peace.
It wasn't like some kind of like hard hitting It
was you were trying to promote him to a Christian
conservative audience. Why are you doing that? And then simultaneously
talking about the Epstein files like one of these things
doesn't mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, plus, he's a Muslim, yeah Christian's his brother is Christian,
but he's not, and he's like proud of that.
Speaker 2: So that whole you know that.
Speaker 3: The woke Reich is, you know, combined with Islam. It's
that is so destructive. Just I don't understand how these
people can't see it. And again that's why I think
a lot of it is just a money grab.
Speaker 2: It's a grift. Some of them are paid. Yeah, yeah
for sure.
Speaker 1: So Carrie, we so appreciate you coming on the show
and talking about your own story and then also of
course dishing with us about the Canda stuff, because man, that.
Speaker 2: Cul is Craig It is insane.
Speaker 1: So we love having you in the fight and knowing
that you're out there on X kind of saying the
same stuff. And I just feel like, unlike Benny and
pasobic and others that were just like, why is TPUSA
still friends.
Speaker 2: With these people?
Speaker 1: People who don't say anything in support of Erica, They
don't criticize Candace at all. I don't get it.
Speaker 2: I don't get that relationship.
Speaker 1: But it's nice to know that you're out there and
you're speaking out and we need more more folks doing that.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, thank you, Thank you for having me, ladies. It
was so much fun. Canada. We'll do it again. I
would love to talk to you again anytime. Absolutely, thank
you so much