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Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of the Chicks on the Right podcast.

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Very excited today to have the host of D Programmed

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with Carrie Smith with us. She is a former self

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described former social justice warrior. We have been mutual follows

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on x for like forever now, and of course we

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share a lot of the same concerns about the cult

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of Candace Owens, which we'll get to her in a minute.

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But first we want to know because one of the

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reasons that we were super interested in having you on

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is just your own experience dprogramming from wokeness, So we

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want to hear about that, and then we'll get into

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some of the current cults that need deprogramming.

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Speaker 2: So tell us your story first. Yes, well, first of all,

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thank you for having me on. Ladies, have I just

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wanted to say this new media landscape has been changing.

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I'm sure you guys have noticed in the past year.

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Everybody's looking for new shows. People have sworn off shows

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they used to watch, like I can't watch Megan anymore

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Jane personally, and so your show is the number one

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show that everyone I know is talking about. I'm very

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excited to be here.

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Speaker 1: It only took us seventeen years great, Thank you, Carrie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my story is it's a long story the short

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and I've told it several times. If people want the

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long version, the trigonometry episode's probably good, but the short

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version is. I started waking up around the same time that,

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like maybe the first wave of people did in twenty sixteen.

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For me personally, it was I didn't know other people

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were going through this. I didn't realize I was in

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a cult I had. I thought I was just in liberalism,

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ladies and yeah. I picked up in college and I

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took it into my career. I worked in entertainment and

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I managed comedians. I produced television shows with those comedians.

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I produced a late night show called Totally Biased that

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was totally woke. It was the first woke late night show.

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I really thought like I was one of the true believers.

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Like I thought, this is we're ending racism and sexism

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with comedy, Like we're fighting all this oppression, all these isms.

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Everything I had learned in college, I was putting it

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to use to change the world kind of idea. And

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so I understand a lot of young people who get

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pulled into it through that sort of idealistic lens, like

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it preys on people's empathy. And sometimes I talk to

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parents who are who tried to tell me, they're like,

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my kid got pulled into this, and she's saying all

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these horrible things now you know, and calls me a

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white supremacist and all this stuff. But she's got such

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a good heart. And I'm like, I know, I know.

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They prey on people with good hearts and it changes them.

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And so so yeah, I was in it twenty years wow,

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and I pushed it now all all facets of my life,

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my work, and then and then twenty sixteen, it was

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seeing the violence around that election season that really started

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to shake me and wake me up. A lot of

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a lot of it was an emotional change for me. First,

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it hit me emotionally before I started. You could have

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given me all the facts in the world. I would

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have stayed in that cult forever. But seeing something that

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emotionally affected me is what started to change me. Slowly,

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it was a slow process. So so that's kind of

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when I talk to people who have family and friends

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who are in it, it's always like sometimes people want

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like this easy answer of like what book did you read? What? Uh? Podcasts?

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Can I send them? And I can make suggestions for

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those things, but there's no key. There's not like an

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easy key of like this is good to wake up

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your loved one, and they're going to stop, you know,

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calling you a tool of the patriarchy. So were you

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you were you were at Duke? Right? Is that what

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was at Duke?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: So were you? Were you liberal before?

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Speaker 3: I know you saying that they kind of are the

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ones that well, the just being an undergraduate being in

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school will change. And we've heard that from a lot

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of parents, Like we get a lot of emails from

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a lot of parents. But were you leaning liberal before

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you went at all? Or were you just apolitical? You

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weren't even thinking about politics really at that point.

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Speaker 2: No. I actually was raised in a Southern Baptist, a

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small town southern community.

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Speaker 1: I was.

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Speaker 2: I'm from South Carolina and I there were certain things

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that happened in my childhood. I will say this. You

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know how the Bible talks about you know, Jesus says

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the Millstone verse, like if you lead these little ones astray,

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it would be better for you that a millstone were

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tired around your ankle and you were thrown into the

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sea than what it waits for you, and it's like,

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that's like the worst thing you can do is lead

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people astray when they're looking for Christ, when they're looking

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for the Way, the truth, and the life. And so

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this is why it's so important for Christians to be

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faithful witnesses, and why the false shepherds like Candice Owens,

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people who falsely claim the name of Christ make me

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so angry because when you said, a bad example for

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a child of what Christianity is, and then they run

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from Christ because of that, because of what you did,

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because of what you because of your bad witness or

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your lies, or your hypocritical witness for God. So I

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had certain things in my childhood that kind of set

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me on this path of opposition towards Christ, towards God,

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towards Republicanism, towards anything about where I came from. And

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and so I was ripe for the pickin when I

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got to college. And now I look back on it,

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you know, with the benefit of time, and hopefully hopefully

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I'm more wise than I was then. But you look

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back on with the benefit of time and you're like, oh,

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I you know what people say about woke being a religion,

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it really is like I've I fell into that that

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religion because now there was suddenly a whole, there was

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a gap, there was something, There was no foundation. When

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I got into college, I was foundation free. I was

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looking for a god right and it was woke. Was

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that God? I just didn't recognize it as such. I

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didn't recognize it as a faith until much later.

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Speaker 1: So what, I'm so curious because you're talking about the

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violence excuse me of twenty sixteen that sort.

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Speaker 2: Of woke you up.

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Speaker 1: But like, so, is there hope for people who, for example,

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saw what happened to Charlie Kirk and got even crazier, Like,

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they're even more horrible. They've lost all sense of humanity.

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They mock that day, they say horrible things about how

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he deserved it, et cetera, et cetera. I mean, can

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that level of a loss of humanity be turned around

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or are they just like lost causes.

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Speaker 2: That's a great question, and I struggled with that question myself.

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I'll just be honest. I think anybody can be turned around.

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I do, but let me after that happened, I saw

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people go both directions, as I'm sure you did. I

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saw some people start to wake up. I saw people

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who just like me were the I'm like the unlikeliest

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person who would ever come to Christ. Like when I

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was in college, I became such a hateful, spiteful through

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this woke religion. Over time, I was so disfigured.

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Speaker 1: I was.

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Speaker 2: I just never could have imagined that I was. I

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was spiteful. I was bigoted towards Christians. I would send

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at Christmas. I would send my Christian aunt Christmas cards

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that mocked Christ like, who does that?

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Speaker 3: Wow?

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Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? Like that was fitful

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like and so I just never the younger me would

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be just like cringing that I became a Christian. Hopefully

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the younger me, though, could see like, wow, she's got

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this joy though that I don't have, Like what is that?

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anybody can change. And I saw people who after Charlie

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was murdered like that affected them to such a degree.

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first time. I have a friend who came to Christ

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who got a first Bible, is going to church faithfully,

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who talks to me about we do zooms about God.

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I have I know strangers online, so I know people who,

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through that act of evil, like God used it for good,

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like that verse in Genesis, like you intended to harm me,

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but God intended it for good. I know people who

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it worked for their good, right, But then I know

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the opposite. Yeah, one of the one of the parents

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for the first time, going through what many people have

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gone through for years. You know, her forty something year

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old son cut her off. It pushed him further into

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the cult. He suddenly started posting all this stuff about

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Charlie Kirk is evil and racist, and he was buying it.

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but then all of a sudden, he's hearing all the

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wrong things, right, all these lies, believes them, of course,

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and then he starts posting stuff about, you know, I'm

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gonna have to cut off all of my Trump voting

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family members and anybody who likes Charlie Kirk, and then

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you know, insulting, posting private texts from the family where

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they're trying to figure out. These are elderly parents, right

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who are trying to figure out, like what's happening, Like

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I love you, what we can disagree about politics, and

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just like filth coming out of this person's mouth and

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then you know, cutting her off after after being in

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you know, having what seemed like a good relationship for

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so many years, you know, faithfully checking in with each

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other weekly, that kind of thing, and then just to

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have nothing and to go to just to go to

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just profanity and vulgarities. And so I've talked to someone

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who's like newly freshly dealing with that and trying to

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and so yeah, it can go both directions, and that

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kind of person. Yeah, I say pray for them still.

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has told me and my grandma prayed for me too.

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in the cult when my grandma died. But my aunt

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was like, and I bet my grandma. I bet my

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grandma and my aunt there were times where they thought

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it wasn't working. And my aunt swers over the comments,

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is like you're damn right, like you know, like, yeah,

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is that there's like and I want to give people

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the benefit that there are times where I'm like, I

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just want to divorce. I just want to I want

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to be disconnected from these people. But I know, as

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a Christian, I I am supposed to pray for these people.

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TDS is a hell of a drug. And I think

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a lot of people who are hurting they think, Okay,

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well I'm hurting, so I got to blame somebody for

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this hurt or this hole. That's it's kind of like,

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when girls are mean, I always say, it's it's not

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a reflection of you, honey, It's a reflection of what's

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something or they're trying to lash out and blame other

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people for the fact that they're just not whole yet,

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are They're just hurting and they want to blame somebody

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for it, you know.

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Speaker 2: They want to have control. They feel like I think

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it's like very much a you know, that sort of

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thing about wanting to be God, where it's like I

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want to be able to have even the woke right

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stuff and the conspiracy stuff on the right and all

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of this crazy web of it seems so obvious, like

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how could you fall for any of this crapwing totally,

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trust or faith in the government and the media. And

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they're just looking for something to cling on to again.

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bad guys. Some of it, some of it is so convoluted, insane,

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but it's very simple. It's like Israel bad guy, Trump

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bad guy, you know, like America bad guy, and you're like, okay,

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I got my marching orders. Like everything makes sense. There's

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Speaker 1: One of the things that Candice does really well is

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that she convinces people that that the right and the

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left are the same and that it's hopeless, like the

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whole government apparatus is completely whacked out, and like there

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is everybody is essentially deep stated, and there's no one

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that you can trust and so automatically, yeah, exactly, And

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she's so good at making people feel like they're in

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this this club, the secret schedule club.

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Speaker 2: And then when you.

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Speaker 1: Have no one in government, when you're made to believe

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that you cannot trust anything or anyone, then you do

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feel completely black pilled and doomed out and there's no

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hope in you know, being a productive citizen who goes

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out and vote and changes changes outcomes with elections, because

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you think the whole system is rigged. And so of

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course people are going to be like, well, I mean,

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she speaking my language and she understands me, you know

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what I mean. I can see, yes, we can see

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the tactics and the strategy behind it. But it's so

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mind boggling to me that people who are in it

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or just getting in it, like all these crazy wine

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moms who think that they're like part of the investigation

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are doing the slew thing.

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Speaker 2: How do they not see how.

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Speaker 1: Obvious it is that they're being played. I just it

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baffles me.

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Speaker 2: I think it only works if you're I mean, you

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have to be without foundation, because it's like me, when

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I went to college, I was foundationless And that's why

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WOTE worked on me, because I was looking for a god.

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I was looking for certainty. I was looking and I

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picked something that was shifting sands. But I picked it.

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I thought it was solid. This explains the whole world, right,

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Like Woke left, it was like, oh, it's pretty simple again.

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It gives you that sense of control. It's like they're

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good guys and bad guys. They're called oppressors and the oppressed. Yes,

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And you can determine who people are based on their

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identity groups. Aha, you know, like and you have different

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degrees of being good and being bad based on your

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identity groups. And we just need to like take power

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from some of these groups and give it to these

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other identity groups and then everything will be equal and

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will be in utopia. And I need to go out

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and be a missionary for this and explain it to people.

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And they take advantage of young people who are able

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to articulate what is unintelligible, like they'd kind of it's

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like your your job becomes like trying to explain this

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thing that doesn't make sense, Like racism is prejudice plus power,

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therefore it's impossible will be you know, racist towards a

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white person, like all those things that you come up with,

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these circular definitions and stuff, and it's your job to

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go and make it make sense. Yeah, that's the truth.

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That's the same with Canda. She spouts all this crap

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and then the people who are they have a lack

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of found I know a lot of them. I've interacted

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with them. When she featured me on her podcast, there

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were thousands of them who sought me out. That's why

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I know they're not all bots, because she's not like

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she linked my Facebook. They've been found my Facebook. All

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these women with like christ Is King in their bios,

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they think they're Christians. They're not.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's some of the worst people around, but they're

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so wrong. They're wrong of what they're doing. But I

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think that maybe and maybe I'm just gullible and like

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a little bit, and I think some of these people

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probably know that this is a grift.

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Speaker 2: But now they're so.

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Speaker 3: In it that they don't they don't want to admit

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how freaking unbelievably wrong they are, So I would there's

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probably at least a couple handfuls, if not, you know,

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a lot more where they're just like, nope, I got

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a double, triple and quadruple down on this because you know,

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like when you deprogrammed, how that must have been challenging

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because you're basically like, I've been wrong all this time,

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I've been hoodwinked, Like, how how did you get out

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of it?

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Speaker 2: How do you how do you get out of that? Well?

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I had a soul crushing midlife crisis and got a divorce. Okay,

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so you got to do that. I'm kidding.

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Speaker 3: I lost.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, actually it is. I'd kind of joke about that,

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but it is true that a lot of the people

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I've talked to who left the left and like actually

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left it. You know, at a certain point we started

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succeeding in the culture ward to such a degree that

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it became a griff to say that you left the left,

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like it was like a career move. Like, No, at

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the beginning, when people were leaving it, it was like you

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were actually losing everything, like I lost my career, my

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social circle, my friends, like all of it. Like you

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had to be willing to sacrifice all that plus your

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sense of identity. Yeah, who you thought? That's hard, that's

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hard hard, And so it's like and so I joke

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about it, but actually the people I talked to who've

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gone through the same thing, like I have a friend

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you lady should talk to at some point Josh slocom

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who is a gay, uh, just a cerbic wit, just

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very funny, skeptical guy who was in the woke left

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who also woke up and left it, and we have

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he has a similar Like it was almost like we

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had to hit a personal crisis first, because it's such

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a like you're saying it's sunk in costs, like you've

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sunk so much cost into it that you don't want

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to admit you're wrong or you can't. Your identities wrapped

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up in at your careers, wrapped up in at your family,

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your friends, whatever. It's sort of like the de transitioners,

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they've put so much into transitioning this my identity and

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that's who I am and whatever, and everybody's brought into it,

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and everyone's praising me and then to come out of

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that and realize you were conned and you conned yourself,

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Like that's so hard to do and you almost have

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to hit a rock bottom. And so I really had

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hit a rock bottom in all ask like every aspect

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of my life.

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Speaker 1: And did that come before then you saw the twenty

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sixteen violence that kind of opened your eyes or was

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it all kind of happening at the same time?

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Speaker 2: For me, it was happening at the same time. I

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was going through a separation. My ex husband and I

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were trying to say if we're going to stay married.

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I was an active alcoholic. I had not yet gotten

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sober or grappled with that. And and then my and see,

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here's the thing. When you go through difficult times, this

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is how this is how you know the woke religion

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is false. There's nothing there for you. There's nothing there

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for you to hold you, to put you on a

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high rock and protect you the way God does. You know,

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like there's nothing there for you. And you're like, wait

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a minute, this is a religion and it has all

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these different rituals and you've got this sort of this

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perverted concept of sin that that's that's called privilege, and

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you've got these different things that it's borrowed and mutated

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and perverted from Christianity. But there's no creator, there's no

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loving creator. There's nothing diff for you, and there's no

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wisdom about how to live your life when you have

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difficulties like in your marriage or career with family or

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what have you, or when you're questioning your beliefs, like

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there's nothing there. And so I was like stripped bare

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of everything. And that's when I saw. I was watching

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these videos coming out of the election season, people attacking

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Trump supporters like violently, like throwing things, eggs, a this

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one woman bricks, bloodying people chasing them down outside of rallies.

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And I also saw the sniper at the BLM rally

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in Dallas who killed all those people. And the way

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that my echo chamber responded to it, my woke world

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was just like with the Charlie Kirk thing, kind of

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like celebrating. It wasn't as bad as it's gotten now,

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but it was pretty bad. They were like tongue in

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cheek like celebrating.

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Speaker 1: And the Meetia.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't help me. Yeah, I feel like it's kind

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of complicit with the with the Left and wokeism and

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all that stuff because they sort of encourage and enable

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it all the time.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like there's Do you feel like there's

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a connection, because I think that we kind of do see.

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Speaker 2: That there is.

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Speaker 1: Always It's like, as soon as you find a Candace

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cult member, you're also looking at an Israel hater, Like

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these things go hand in hand, you can, and it's

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a prediction if somebody is anti Jewish or anti Israel,

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they almost certainly believe in the nonsense that she spews.

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Speaker 2: What is that? What is that? That's how I feel like,

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I think anyway, that's one of the hallmarks of like

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how you can tell that it's sort of a cult

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faith because you're buying everything part and parcel, like with

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Woke Left. So for example, if I know someone who

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if I find out that you believe that men can

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become women, then I also pretty much know what you

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think about systemic oppression totally. Or you know, like it's

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sort of those things go part and parcel, you're buying

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in for the whole package. Yeah, yep, And I think

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it's similar. Yeah with the Candace stuff.

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Speaker 1: That's just it's such a weird marrying of two seemingly

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unrelated things, you know what I mean, like the murder

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of Charlie Kirk, hating a tiny country in the Middle East,

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Like why did these things become so connected? But they

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are because you can see it. I'm sure you've you've

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you've experienced the same thing whenever you post anything on

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x for example, about Candace and her crazy cult, following

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the responses that you get are all you were paid

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seven thousand for this post. Yeah, we're saying about like

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Israel stuff, not Candace stuff. And then you realize these

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are the same freaky people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the same freaky people, and they you know, for

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the first year or so that was happening to me,

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I'd like you, Daisy, I was like, what are you

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talking about? I'm like, I don't I didn't say anything

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about it. I don't have anything to say about I

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don't know enough about it, Like I almost did, never

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post about Israel. I don't have thoughts about it. Now

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I've started to develop some thoughts based on how I've

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been treated the past couple of years, and I'm like, well,

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it seems like all the crazy people think this thing. Yeah,

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and so what be with the crazy people? I mean,

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they're having the opposite effect on the right and so,

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but I don't have thoughts about it, and so at

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first it was like really shocking to me. Or I'd

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be like, I'm not making do you think I'm paying now?

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I just find it funny, or I just lean into

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it on Facebook and stuff, they like, Oh, I see

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you made seven thousand dollars. I'm like, I sure did

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cha ching And I made thirty five hundred from your

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comment you like, because if you're that stuff, you deserve

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to be totally. Yeah, we do our share of that.

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I'm curious.

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Speaker 3: So do you do you think that Candice and Tucker

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and all these you know, people who have become giant disappointments.

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Do you think they believe what they spew or do

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you think it is just a total grift and they're

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just counning people and they're doing it because they're making

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crap tons of money.

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Speaker 2: What do you think? Well, Candace, I think is a

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malignant narcissist. I think she's clustered, me psychopath. It doesn't matter.

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They're all talking about the same thing. It doesn't matter

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if you call it dark triad. In my opinion, dark triad,

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malignant narciss is all the same, lack of empathy, grandiosity,

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a willingness to do anything, like, no sense of shame.

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There's it's the Macavelian nature of it, where it's like

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by any means necessary, like she will do anything. She

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will lie about anything, it doesn't matter if you've got

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video evidence right there to disprove her. If she will

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lie about what she said yesterday when you got the

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video like that, if you.

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Speaker 3: Cross her, she wants to destroy you, which was also sociopathic.

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Speaker 2: Yes, And I've come across this type before, unfortunately, And

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I don't think I think they know. I think she

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knows what she is, really knows she is a monster.

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I do. I don't think she believes her own crap.

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She knows she's lying, and she takes lee in it.

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You understand, because it's like we don't understand. If you don't,

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A normal person can't wrap their head around that because

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you're not a sadist. I do. That's the thing.

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Speaker 1: I get that she wants attention, but like that she

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knows this about herself is almost unthinkable to me, Like

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I cannot process how somebody can be that intentionally cruel

476
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and psychotic.

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Speaker 2: I just cannot.

478
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Speaker 3: But I think she continues to do it though, because

479
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of all the fans and because of the people who

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tell you're so great, am.

481
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Speaker 2: I going you are queen? You're our queen?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, And so I agree with you, though Carrie,

483
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I don't. I think it's a huge grift.

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Speaker 2: I really do. And she's just that bad crap. She's

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that what reportedly Eric has said in private, Like who

486
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even knows that? But everybody's freaking about Oh my goodness,

487
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,079
she said this in private. She's a soul a school.

488
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She is a soul of school. That is how I

489
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view them. Yeah, And so I don't someone like her

490
00:24:58,319 --> 00:25:01,599
like it's she doesn't believe anything. People will say, Oh

491
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,680
I think she really you know, she's lying about being conservative,

492
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she's really a leftist, or she's lying about this. It

493
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,440
doesn't matter. She's nothing. This woman is a nihilist. The

494
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,279
only thing she believes in is herself. Like there's nothing.

495
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She will say this one day and this one day

496
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and this one. It's all a tactic. It's the left

497
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is is is very cluster b in a lot of ways,

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like they're sort of they'll say, like the way in

499
00:25:24,519 --> 00:25:27,039
which they manipulate words, you know how they'll change. They'll

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say this, they'll push this argument if it wins, like

501
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,799
they'll push uh. They'll pretend like they care about bodily

502
00:25:32,799 --> 00:25:35,400
autonomy if it if it helps them with the abortion thing.

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They'll say like, my body, my choice, and you can't

504
00:25:37,799 --> 00:25:40,559
give the government the right to control your body. And

505
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they and they make you think that they really believe it,

506
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and you're like, oh, I understand bodily autonomy, Okay, I can.

507
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And then you know, COVID comes and they're like, you

508
00:25:48,279 --> 00:25:54,519
better take that. I thought you didn't. So it doesn't

509
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Words don't mean things to them. They're just tools to

510
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control and manipulate. And that's what Candas is. Like she

511
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could say anything today, anything tomorrow, and I think trying

512
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to figure out what does she really believe is a

513
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fool's errand because she doesn't believe anything except in herself. Yes,

514
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like agree, so agree?

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Speaker 1: Switching gears real quick? What do you make of the

516
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Tate Brothers arrest.

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Speaker 2: God Bless Florida? Right?

518
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Speaker 1: It's so crazy to me to watch like the PbD podcast,

519
00:26:27,519 --> 00:26:30,720
guys all mad about it. They're all defending the tapes

520
00:26:30,759 --> 00:26:33,720
and this is like, you know, I don't know. This

521
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is government overreach and we shouldn't be extraditing them and

522
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all this nutsense. And I'm just like, why why would

523
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you want to defend ever these scumbags. I will never

524
00:26:43,799 --> 00:26:45,640
understand it, but it makes sense.

525
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,599
Speaker 2: Is friends with them, So of course Das is close

526
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personal friends with a lot of people who've been charged

527
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with rape or I'm sorry, I don't know if you

528
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,200
can say that word, edit it if you can't, but

529
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who've been charged with these crimes. And you know her

530
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:06,920
funder scientologists, funder John Mappin has Epstein like he actually

531
00:27:07,039 --> 00:27:10,119
is Epstein ties he's in Epstein's Little Black Book. Like

532
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,200
there's all these different weird connections like that. Look with PbD,

533
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,160
I've always gotten a bad GT read on him. That's

534
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,000
just me. I don't know sometimes and I try to

535
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,920
listen to my gut more. I just then somebody told

536
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:28,599
me about his past financial whatever, and I'm like, okay,

537
00:27:28,759 --> 00:27:31,680
Like some people are in some people are giving commentary

538
00:27:31,799 --> 00:27:35,079
just to like build a brand, just to just to

539
00:27:35,079 --> 00:27:37,160
build a brand, not that you shouldn't have ambitions or

540
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:38,839
want to have like a successful channel, and what you

541
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,440
do you want it to be successful? Yes? You want

542
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,200
people to hear if you have opinions, obviously you want

543
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:43,920
them to hear it. But when it becomes like that's

544
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,359
just the goal is just to have a successful show,

545
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,039
and that's the number one goal. I just I don't know,

546
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I just get that sense from him.

547
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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of no, I mean, there's a

548
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,440
lot of people that are like that, caring. Yeah, people,

549
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we've seen it over the past two decades. It's pretty remarkable.

550
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Speaker 2: It is, and it just and even people I think

551
00:28:03,519 --> 00:28:05,799
you have good intentions over time can be corrupted by it.

552
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I mean, it corrupts and so who knows, but I don't.

553
00:28:09,519 --> 00:28:14,359
I don't. There's also there's this like libertarian whole that

554
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,920
a lot of people fall into where they think something

555
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,720
is about like uh, like you said, what did what

556
00:28:20,759 --> 00:28:22,519
did you say? Mock that people were saying this is

557
00:28:22,519 --> 00:28:27,000
an abuse government overreach, yes, you know, and those people

558
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,839
sometimes I try to have conversations with them and understand

559
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what they like think about. And a lot of them

560
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believe there should be no laws. Like a lot of

561
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,200
them are like I'm and cap now, I'm like what

562
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,519
does that mean? Like we don't need any government or

563
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any laws. And people will naturally learn to self government it.

564
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Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, that would work out great.

565
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Speaker 2: I just that's when I finally realized, no, I'm not

566
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,880
I'm not liberty. For years after I left the wook Loft,

567
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people were telling me I would interview people and so

568
00:28:54,519 --> 00:28:57,279
they'd be like, oh, you're a libertarian, and I would.

569
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,799
I went to a libertarian conference I was invited to

570
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my I'm like, okay, I can get with a lot

571
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,400
of these ideas. I do have a lot of libertarian beliefs,

572
00:29:05,559 --> 00:29:07,680
but there was always something holding me back from saying

573
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I'm a libertarian. And I finally realized it's because they,

574
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I think, are they don't understand humans? Yes, like they

575
00:29:16,279 --> 00:29:21,160
don't understand human evil, even their own capacity for it.

576
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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, because there's a lot of like the whole

577
00:29:23,119 --> 00:29:26,759
atheist thing is very strong in that crowd. And it's like, yeah,

578
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:33,039
I know, it's they don't win either. So you know,

579
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,960
I keep going, you do you libertarians?

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00:29:36,279 --> 00:29:40,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Carrie, let's they try to say, well, you

581
00:29:40,079 --> 00:29:44,039
said tates. I found it fascinating to see who was

582
00:29:44,079 --> 00:29:47,440
propping up the Tates and who wasn't, Like even Benny Johnson,

583
00:29:47,519 --> 00:29:49,799
I'll just say Benny Johnson had him on and was

584
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:54,160
marketing him to It wasn't It wasn't an investigative journalist peace.

585
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,240
It wasn't like some kind of like hard hitting It

586
00:29:56,319 --> 00:29:59,920
was you were trying to promote him to a Christian

587
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,640
conservative audience. Why are you doing that? And then simultaneously

588
00:30:03,759 --> 00:30:06,799
talking about the Epstein files like one of these things

589
00:30:06,799 --> 00:30:07,400
doesn't mean.

590
00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:11,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, plus, he's a Muslim, yeah Christian's his brother is Christian,

591
00:30:11,799 --> 00:30:14,079
but he's not, and he's like proud of that.

592
00:30:14,279 --> 00:30:16,559
Speaker 2: So that whole you know that.

593
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Speaker 3: The woke Reich is, you know, combined with Islam. It's

594
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,279
that is so destructive. Just I don't understand how these

595
00:30:25,279 --> 00:30:27,000
people can't see it. And again that's why I think

596
00:30:27,039 --> 00:30:28,640
a lot of it is just a money grab.

597
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,599
Speaker 2: It's a grift. Some of them are paid. Yeah, yeah

598
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:32,039
for sure.

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Speaker 1: So Carrie, we so appreciate you coming on the show

600
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and talking about your own story and then also of

601
00:30:39,519 --> 00:30:42,880
course dishing with us about the Canda stuff, because man, that.

602
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Speaker 2: Cul is Craig It is insane.

603
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: So we love having you in the fight and knowing

604
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that you're out there on X kind of saying the

605
00:30:51,319 --> 00:30:54,960
same stuff. And I just feel like, unlike Benny and

606
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,240
pasobic and others that were just like, why is TPUSA

607
00:30:58,359 --> 00:30:59,279
still friends.

608
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 2: With these people?

609
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: People who don't say anything in support of Erica, They

610
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,319
don't criticize Candace at all. I don't get it.

611
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 2: I don't get that relationship.

612
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,359
Speaker 1: But it's nice to know that you're out there and

613
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,720
you're speaking out and we need more more folks doing that.

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00:31:13,599 --> 00:31:17,079
Speaker 2: Absolutely, thank you, Thank you for having me, ladies. It

615
00:31:17,079 --> 00:31:20,000
was so much fun. Canada. We'll do it again. I

616
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,559
would love to talk to you again anytime. Absolutely, thank

617
00:31:23,599 --> 00:31:24,319
you so much