1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: How are you doing today? Erin, I am well, and well, 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:07,559 how are you? Absolutely hanging in there? Absolutely absolutely. I 3 00:00:07,879 --> 00:00:10,480 gotta ask you about the Cabinet of Curiosities? Are we 4 00:00:10,519 --> 00:00:12,800 going to read about you? Because you've created so many 5 00:00:12,839 --> 00:00:16,039 curiosity things over the years. I mean, it's like you 6 00:00:16,039 --> 00:00:17,679 should have your own chapter, dude. 7 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:21,719 Speaker 2: So I'll say that maybe the introduction is a bit 8 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:23,960 like that, but it's more like, let's talk about my 9 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:26,160 favorite room in the world and give you a tour 10 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:28,640 of that room. That's probably what us personal as it gets. 11 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:30,719 Speaker 1: See, that's what I love about this is because it's 12 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,840 not what if in your world? No, let's go do it. 13 00:00:34,399 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think so. I mean, memorizing dates and 14 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:42,240 names for history is boring, and I think that we 15 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:44,439 need to peel it back and look at the stories 16 00:00:44,439 --> 00:00:47,320 behind these people or these events. It's really fun. 17 00:00:48,039 --> 00:00:51,039 Speaker 1: Well, how did you discover that Lincoln's son was rescued 18 00:00:51,079 --> 00:00:53,119 by his assassin's brother? Seriously? 19 00:00:54,479 --> 00:01:00,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, doesn't that just sound too weird to have actually happened. Yeah. 20 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:05,120 I you know, we're getting close to fourteen hundred stories 21 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,920 that we've told on this podcast over six plus years, 22 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:11,040 so it's a lot of tales I don't remember where 23 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:12,400 a lot of them come from. But you know, the 24 00:01:12,439 --> 00:01:16,439 pitching process usually ends up with a story has been 25 00:01:16,519 --> 00:01:18,359 presented to me and I have to decide in my 26 00:01:18,439 --> 00:01:22,159 gut does that sound like a curiosity or not? And yeah, 27 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:26,319 the Edwin Thomas Booth and Robert Todd Lincoln's story is 28 00:01:26,519 --> 00:01:29,480 definitely a curiosity. It ticks all the boxes. 29 00:01:29,599 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: See, you're proving that there are several pages of history 30 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,200 that we're not getting inside our own journeys. 31 00:01:35,719 --> 00:01:38,439 Speaker 2: Well, you know, look, if I asked you who invented 32 00:01:38,439 --> 00:01:41,200 the pringles can and you looked it up online, you'd 33 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,959 learned his name is Frederick Bauer and he invented it 34 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,760 in nineteen sixty six. And that's a great fact, right, 35 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,239 But it's not fun. Now if I told you that 36 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,359 when he died in two thousand and eight, that he 37 00:01:51,519 --> 00:01:54,599 was cremated and part of his remains were buried in 38 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:56,599 a pringles can. It's a story and all of a 39 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:01,079 sudden gives very very interesting And people have asked what 40 00:02:01,239 --> 00:02:04,760 flavor because his kids actually stopped at a convenient store 41 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:06,640 and stood in front of a rack of pringles cans 42 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,159 and said, what flavor do we bury dead? And they 43 00:02:09,199 --> 00:02:11,560 went with original because you know why not. 44 00:02:12,439 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: I totally get that because I always tell people, I said, man, 45 00:02:14,439 --> 00:02:16,000 you know, when I'm done, you know, he cooked me 46 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:17,759 up and then and then just flushed me down the toilet, 47 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:19,120 so I can be part of the water system. 48 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 2: I've started to ask people what flavor Pringles can they 49 00:02:24,599 --> 00:02:25,960 would want to be buried in, and for me, I 50 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:27,159 think it's barbecue. 51 00:02:27,439 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 1: Okay, I'll give you that. I'm gonna have to go 52 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,039 with the original. Either that or something with an onion 53 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:33,639 flavor to it that would be pretty nice. 54 00:02:34,159 --> 00:02:35,719 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. 55 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: You've even got a story in here about dogs, and 56 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,960 I love dog stories, but capturing a German spy, how'desveil? 57 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 2: You know? We got a New England dog from Connecticut 58 00:02:45,879 --> 00:02:49,120 named Stubby. Stubby was very cute, and it was World 59 00:02:49,159 --> 00:02:53,240 War One and his human was a Yale student and 60 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,439 went off to Europe as a lot of young men 61 00:02:56,479 --> 00:02:59,439 did for World War One, and Stubby stowed away and 62 00:02:59,479 --> 00:03:03,560 came with him and in the process managed to participate 63 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:07,479 in something like four major offenses and close to twenty 64 00:03:07,479 --> 00:03:12,400 battles I think seventeen battles, and Stubby was given awards 65 00:03:12,479 --> 00:03:15,199 and was there to boost morale and did tasks for 66 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,719 the soldiers and came home a hero. It's great. And 67 00:03:18,759 --> 00:03:21,919 when Stubby passed away, the dog was taxidermied and is 68 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:25,120 on display at the Smithsonian today. So yeah, yeah, it's 69 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:25,800 a fun story. 70 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: Wow. One of the things that I've always loved about 71 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,039 you Erin is the fact that you really do live 72 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:33,039 the lifestyle of the way podcasting came into being. It 73 00:03:33,479 --> 00:03:35,960 was the writers that brought podcasting to the world, not 74 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,919 the comedians, not the musicians, and you continue to bring 75 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:40,879 that energy forward in everything that you do. 76 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,879 Speaker 2: Well. You know, I think that the priority seems to 77 00:03:45,919 --> 00:03:49,319 be focused on celebrities coming into the podcasting space, and 78 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,120 I'm just holding that door open and trying to keep 79 00:03:52,159 --> 00:03:54,960 the light on for writers and saying like, this is 80 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,919 a great space. Look, it's oral storytelling, right in whatever 81 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,199 format you decide your podcast is going to be, it's 82 00:04:00,319 --> 00:04:03,360 oral storytelling. And that is an ancient, ancient storytelling art. 83 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:07,639 So I mean, that's fine bringing a comedian or a celebrity, 84 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:09,319 that's great. They're going to have an audience and they 85 00:04:09,319 --> 00:04:12,199 can sell ads on that. But you know, there's a 86 00:04:12,199 --> 00:04:13,120 place for good story. 87 00:04:14,439 --> 00:04:16,319 Speaker 1: I love the cover of the book in the way 88 00:04:16,319 --> 00:04:18,480 that it reminds me so much of some Harry Houdini. 89 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:25,720 Speaker 2: Mmmm. Yes, it has a I mean yeah, it has 90 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:29,439 sort of like a Victorian shop feel to it, which 91 00:04:29,439 --> 00:04:32,839 I really like. And you know, we obviously grabbed the 92 00:04:32,879 --> 00:04:35,680 inspiration off of the cover art for the podcast itself. 93 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,079 But when the hardcovers showed up at my house and 94 00:04:38,439 --> 00:04:40,639 there's that guilt on the gold and it just shines 95 00:04:40,639 --> 00:04:42,839 in the light. Yeah, it's a beautiful hardcover. 96 00:04:43,639 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 1: You know, you kind of point something out to us 97 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,680 in England that there are wizards outside of the Harry 98 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:50,439 Potter story. I mean, I mean, I would love to 99 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:51,680 walk those streets at night. 100 00:04:53,639 --> 00:04:56,399 Speaker 2: Yeah. John Dee in particular, his last name is spelled 101 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:01,680 d Ee, was a very very wild personality. We did 102 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:05,439 an episode of Lore on him years ago called Black 103 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:09,879 and Wild, and yeah, he was an alchemist and had 104 00:05:09,879 --> 00:05:13,439 all sorts of cool historical artifacts that were you know, 105 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:17,560 like an obsidian disc from Central America and you know, 106 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,199 a wax disc with carvings on it, and you can 107 00:05:20,199 --> 00:05:22,120 see some of those things at the British Museum today. 108 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:23,079 It's it's fantastic. 109 00:05:23,319 --> 00:05:25,439 Speaker 1: How are you getting your your listeners to go from 110 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:27,800 Lore to the brand new podcast that you create. Because 111 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,920 you're endlessly creating even with other people other podcasts. How 112 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:32,680 do you how do you get them to transition over 113 00:05:32,759 --> 00:05:33,759 and continue to support. 114 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:36,759 Speaker 2: Well, that's the that's the challenge, right, I mean that's 115 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:39,920 you can you can you can tell the listeners on 116 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:41,920 the Lore feed, hey I've got a new show and 117 00:05:41,959 --> 00:05:44,480 here's where to find information about it. Then you just 118 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:46,439 sort of cross your fingers and help they go over there. 119 00:05:46,519 --> 00:05:49,160 And there's a real good crossover between low listeners and 120 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,040 Cabinet and curiosity listeners. You know. There there's the fandom 121 00:05:52,079 --> 00:05:55,920 is very They help each other out, and often it's 122 00:05:55,920 --> 00:06:00,000 the same person who listens to both shows. So yeah, 123 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,120 I like to think of Law as like a meal, yeah, 124 00:06:02,199 --> 00:06:04,079 and Cabinet is more of a snack. 125 00:06:04,319 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I may be a freak here, but I 126 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:08,519 wear earphones every time I come into the studio. I 127 00:06:08,519 --> 00:06:10,360 don't know what you do in your studio and stuff, 128 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,040 but do you find yourself wearing earphones even while you write, 129 00:06:13,079 --> 00:06:15,279 so that you have that comfort up there? It's almost 130 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:16,920 like a blanket of sorts. 131 00:06:18,759 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 2: I love quiet, so I will often put on some headphones, 132 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:26,480 like some cans that have noise canceling and just kind 133 00:06:26,519 --> 00:06:29,360 of bask in the glory of silence while I write. 134 00:06:29,399 --> 00:06:32,399 It's great. But other times I'll throw music on something 135 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,680 It sounds super stereotypical, but I'll put on Chad's music 136 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,800 from my composer or law or something else that's moody 137 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:41,240 like that. Yeah. 138 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I call that head music. You've got to have it, man, 139 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:45,519 because you've got to have some sort of path that 140 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:47,800 puts your creativity on so that you can have flow. 141 00:06:48,959 --> 00:06:52,079 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. And I can't put something with lyrics on 142 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,480 because then I'm going to start thinking about that. Yeah. 143 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 1: Or old songs, Oh god, no, because all of a sudden, 144 00:06:57,199 --> 00:06:58,920 I'm back in nineteen seventy eight and that's not where 145 00:06:58,920 --> 00:06:59,360 I want to be. 146 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 2: Classic rock has its place, but not while I'm writing. 147 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 1: Do you consider yourself a content addic? And the reason 148 00:07:06,639 --> 00:07:08,879 why I bring that up is because you're always digging. 149 00:07:09,079 --> 00:07:11,519 You're bringing things to us, and it's almost like I 150 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:13,879 feel like that I'm at this fancy restaurant and you're saying, Hey, 151 00:07:13,879 --> 00:07:15,879 we've got something new for you to try tonight. 152 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 2: I you know, I think that I'm a naturally curious person. 153 00:07:20,879 --> 00:07:24,079 I want to like I love asking the question why. Yeah, 154 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:25,519 you know, so they did that thing. You know that 155 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,040 thing is weird that they did. That's great, But why 156 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,600 why did they do that? Why did they think in 157 00:07:30,639 --> 00:07:33,399 eighteen ninety two that it was okay to dig Mercy 158 00:07:33,399 --> 00:07:37,040 Brown's body up in Rhode Island burn her heart, put 159 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:38,759 the ashes in a tonic and feed it to her 160 00:07:38,759 --> 00:07:41,120 brother to see if it would heal him from suberculosis? Like, 161 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:43,720 why did they think that was okay to do? I 162 00:07:43,759 --> 00:07:45,879 love asking those questions. 163 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: Where can people go to find out more about you? Dude? 164 00:07:50,519 --> 00:07:54,839 Speaker 2: You can go to Lore podcast dot com, lor podcast 165 00:07:54,879 --> 00:07:57,879 dot com. You go to my personal site, Aaronmanky dot com, 166 00:07:57,879 --> 00:07:59,240 but then you have to figure out how to spell it. 167 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:03,720 Yeah right, yeah yeah, And Laura's a great place to go, 168 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,360 or Grimandmild dot com. We'll have all the shows I make, 169 00:08:07,399 --> 00:08:11,160 including Lord. I'll have my bio. It has my appearances listening, 170 00:08:11,199 --> 00:08:13,439 I think, but that might be in the lower page. 171 00:08:13,879 --> 00:08:16,399 I'm going to be in Minneapolis tomorrow night doing a 172 00:08:16,439 --> 00:08:19,360 live Lore show. I'll be in Milwaukee Friday night, and 173 00:08:19,399 --> 00:08:22,639 then Saturday I'm in Naperville, Illinois doing a book event 174 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:24,079 at Anderson's Books. Wow. 175 00:08:24,079 --> 00:08:25,639 Speaker 1: If you ever make it down to the Carolinas, we've 176 00:08:25,639 --> 00:08:27,120 got to have a face to FaceTime dude. 177 00:08:27,839 --> 00:08:29,959 Speaker 2: That'd be fun. I really love that. Yeah, I don't 178 00:08:29,959 --> 00:08:31,480 know if I ever told you this. I released an 179 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:36,799 episode on the Cora Tree in the Outer Banks randomly, 180 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:38,759 like I played episodes months and months out. I released 181 00:08:38,759 --> 00:08:40,879 it years ago. It was the week that we announced 182 00:08:40,879 --> 00:08:43,799 the TV show for Law and by the time the 183 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:47,200 episode came out. I had booked randomly a vacation for 184 00:08:47,279 --> 00:08:49,600 the family in the Outer Banks. So I was in 185 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,840 a rented house in the Outer Banks when the Outer 186 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:55,559 Banks episode came out. But that was, like, I don't know, 187 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,440 twenty nineteen in the before times. 188 00:08:58,639 --> 00:09:00,759 Speaker 1: Wow, those Outer Banks are to you, man. You don't 189 00:09:00,759 --> 00:09:02,200 forget them, do you. 190 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 2: No, you don't, you don't. 191 00:09:03,799 --> 00:09:05,759 Speaker 1: Well, please come back to this show anytime in the future. 192 00:09:05,799 --> 00:09:07,159 The door is always going to be open for you. 193 00:09:07,279 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 2: Erin. Thanks, I appreciate it. 194 00:09:09,159 --> 00:09:10,159 Speaker 1: Eric, be brilliant today. 195 00:09:10,159 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 2: Okay, thanks you too.