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Speaker 1: Welcome to this edition of The High Strangest Factor, copyrighted

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on the Paranormal UK Radio Network. I'm your host, Steve Board,

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along with Andy Mercer and Susie Bastiel. On The High

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Strangeness Factor, we explore all aspects of the paranormal and unexplained,

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with an emphasis on the patterns and parallels that emerge

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between UFOs, cryptids and psychic phenomena. And this is the

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sixth anniversary of The High Strangeness Factor that Andy and

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I started when back when we were young men, back

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back in the old days, you know, radiod and strangely enough, uh.

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And now the addition we have Susie Basstial with us

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: If you weren't with us for the last anniversary show, Susie.

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Speaker 3: Not for the anniversary show.

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Speaker 4: I think I did my uh pakwag interview episode maybe

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shortly before that.

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Speaker 3: I think it was.

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Speaker 1: Okay, it's been about a year because you were on

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on the first time. Okay, joined us. Well, we're being

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joined again by Brian Seech And maybe I should actually

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do a h An introduction here. He Brian was with

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us for that first show, and let's let's do a

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fancy introduction here. We don't know if Brian has patted

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this or not, but we're just gonna run with it.

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Brian Siege is a researcher and investigator of the unexplained

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and founder of two research groups, Center for Unexplained Events

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q c u E and Center for Cryptosological Studies CCS.

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Brian has appeared on Monsters and Mysteries in America, on

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Destination America, a national cable channel, was an extra in

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the Mothband Prophecies I've Heard That Before, movies filmed in Pittsburgh,

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and most recently has been on Small Town Monsters series, Subsquatch, Unearthed,

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The Ridge, and Mountain State Monsters. He has also appeared

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on various Internet radio shows and podcasts. Brian also appears

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in the new YouTube series of Paranormal Life, The Lost Tapes.

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Brian is a member of the Butler Organization on Research

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of the Unexplained bo RU. Brian co wrote articles for

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the Creature Chronicles column in the Hancock County Courier in

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West Virginia from August through November twenty thirteen. Brian was

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also a co instructor for the first ever cryptozoologic Cryptozoology

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class at Eastern Gate College in Steubenville, Ohio. If you

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have had an encounter or signing in Pennsylvania, Ohio, or

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West Virginia, please contact Brian at Center for Cryptostudies at

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gmail dot com. Center for Crypto Studies All one Word

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at gmail dot com. Brian, Welcome back to the High

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Strangious Factor to our sixth anniversary.

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Speaker 5: Hello, thanks for having me. It's good to see all

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you guys, and yes.

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Speaker 2: See you again.

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Speaker 1: So now you and Terry.

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Speaker 3: Are that.

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Speaker 1: Terry is his better half, by the way, and she's

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much better looking.

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Speaker 5: She runs everything. Steve, I just kind of hang out.

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Speaker 1: Well, you guys are are busy all year doing excursions,

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having conferences and so forth, and doing investigations. Can you

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give us just kind of give us an idea what's

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been going on this past year or at least partly.

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Speaker 5: Yes, Well, we we've lived down here. We live it's

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a town called weird in West Virginia. So we live

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outside of Weirdon and it's in Hancock County, which is

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the smallest county in West Virginia. Actually, Steve, we hold

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that distinction. Okay, So we've been doing some hikes and

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some investigations with our friends Jeffrey Talkington and Scott Swanson,

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who you know, they are Mothman regulars, and we're always

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trying to keep busy with, you know, getting new reports.

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We're waiting on one for the end of well, end

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of this month, and this particular one, it's kind of weird.

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Weird one it I asked, they drew what they saw? Okay,

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this is and this is in Beaver County, which Beaver

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County is It's in Pennsylvania where that's where my wife

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and I grew up. And it's it's butted right up

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against Hancock County. So there's there's been five eyewitness sightings

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of I don't even know what to call. They're calling

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on a wind to go. At first, I thought it

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was a big foot because they they had they have

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a drawing of it. But it's like an all. It's

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it's black and it's got red eyes, Steve, just like

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the red eyes right right behind you. Okay, but no wings,

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So it's not Mothman. So don't get excited. I know

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you love your mouth man, right, but.

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Speaker 1: With that even string.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So again, that's that's one of the actually five

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eyewitnesses to it, one of the ladies who we who

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contacted us first, actually moved after seeing this creature. It's funny,

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she just moved right next door. Now her new neighbor

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Speaker 1: It's interesting because where they did they all see it

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one lady saw it before she moved, and then and

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they even saw it. So again, it's in Beaver County

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where we grew up. So it's something that's we're looking

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them actually, and hopefully they'll let us on our on

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our properties that we can do do an investigation. I

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be last year or so.

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Speaker 1: By the way, uh, Brian and his wife Terry have

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this great little house. It looks like a little cottage really,

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and you're you're right on the edge of a river

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down in the holler, and it looks kind of like

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a picture postcard. I mean, it's just an ideal place there,

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you know, as long as the creek doesn't overflow. You're good.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll tell you what it did. The first first

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year we were here, he did flood the back end

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of the property. Luckily it didn't come close to the house.

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the Albatwitch Festival speaking and I guess our neighbors said

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it was weird. It was the weirdest thing. This cloud

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just came and it stayed over your house and it

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did not move, and it just poured and the creek

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went over its edges in the back end of our property.

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He even took a video of it, so we watched

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all the water coming, you know, it came in and

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then it went straight back down to the creek. So yeah,

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it's been fun here been three uh over three years now.

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Speaker 1: That happened to me once.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: I went down to visit Brian Zeller. I don't know

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have you met Brian. I think he's an attendee at

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the Mouthband festival. I think a wife come from from

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Tennessee and I went down to visit one time and

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they had this rain come down and that the same thing.

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uh all over the place, and uh, I had to

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going to drive home. I was going to try and

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go way south and then come up and U. Yeah.

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I was married at the time, and my wife told me, no,

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you stay there. I know you. You'll take your risk

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going through one of those flooded roads or whatever and

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you'll get stuck. So I had an extra I had

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I have to stay here because of flooding. And they're

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near Nashville, and Nashville was flooded parts of it, so

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called the Somerset Levels, which were reclaimed from the c

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centuries ago, but they are slightly below sea level. If

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you get any flooding here, it can be quite a problem. Thankfully,

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where I am now, this little bit of where I live,

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it's fine. You go two undred dollars down the road

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to the area called North End and it's a regular

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problem flooding unfortunately, so they've really got used to and

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have like local Facebook group and say is x yzn

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road open yet? Can it be passed yet? And it

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is a constant problem here, So I understand that.

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Speaker 1: So Susie any flooding there in Connecticut.

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Speaker 3: Uh no, it's really nice here. Who don't have that problem?

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Speaker 1: That's good.

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Speaker 2: I've run the ball. It's nice, lucky flooding on my.

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Speaker 4: I did almost have a tree fall on me the

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other day, so there's that.

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Speaker 1: That's not good. No, I'm right near the floodwall which

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separates me from the Ohio River. Fortunately I'm on the

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correct side of the floodwall, and uh it's it's a

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pretty tall floodwall. But I but Jeff Wansley, who runs

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the Mosman Museum, told me that the one, you know,

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way back when when it uh uh at one time

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it flooded down here, it was taller than the floodwall.

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my basement occasionally, but you know, I'm going to try

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and fix that. So sound like we're the Home and

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Speaker 2: What, what is the how they described the thing that

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they've cited that you investigate, you know.

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Speaker 5: They they said that this creature, in the several instances

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that they saw it just it just stood there observing

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them from the woodline. So and and again they there

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may be a lot more to this. I've only talked

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to the one eyewitness. Uh, we've been having her excuse me,

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her husband was sick. So we're kind of one of

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the neighbors is retiring in the middle of this month,

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so we hope to again, hopefully see her end of

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this month, beginning of April, would find out really what's

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Speaker 1: So humanoid on two legs? Yes, yes, and Harry, I presume,

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only one we talked to. Said it looked like it

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had black skins, so she didn't mention anything about hair,

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which is kind of weird. Yeah, sounds a little bit

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like the Grafton Monster maybe, oh yeah, yeah, but the

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Grafton Monster might have just been a I don't think

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that was a hoax or not. There was only maybe

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like two reports or something like that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think they said that it was somebody

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moving one of these furniture carts or the big carts

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to use the hotel. I'm like, Wow. You know you're

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not describing a furniture car. You're you're you're describing this

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huge white creature like with with white skin, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, the Mountain monster. Guys encountered the Grafton Monster. It

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was I saw it on TV.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Remember they they encountered them off Man and they

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tried to get it to go under meet that big

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. It was funny because they said don't

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look at the eyes, and the one guy passes out

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because he was hypnotized by the eyes. But the cameraman

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was fine. He was he was able to maintain, you know,

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his composure.

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Speaker 5: I have a friend who actually believes that that was true.

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I said, no, they're not true, because I'll tell you

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the quick interesting story about they even basically said that

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it wasn't true. So they were at Creature Weekend, which

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you might even have been at the one right.

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Speaker 1: Well, I was the one, the guy with trapper who

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passed on he was he was there one year, then

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the next year he was he was ill, and the

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rest of the gang was there except Buck.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. So they basically got up in front and people

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asked them. They were asking questions and they said to uh,

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and they said, have you ever seen these creatures? They

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both said yes, when we were young. Right there, It

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tells you they didn't say, no, we saw the wood

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booger or this or that or the yahoo or whatever

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they're calling it this week. They said when they and

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I do believe that they both saw it when they

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were younger because their tone and everything. But they told

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you right there. Nobody ask them another question like, well,

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what about all these other things you're seeing, Well, we

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forgot about all them. No, they they're basically telling you

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none of that happened without telling you.

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Speaker 1: Out in the Whispen minutes and the encount of the

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Stalley Gaster, Yes, flind in the sky and that was

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another one where the big Foots were in league with

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the Troop of Conference.

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Speaker 5: One of the funniest ones. And and when we were

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because they they were creature week in two years in

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our friend Salugar, friend Fred and Steve's you know, Steve

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knows who Fred is. He said to well, while Bill,

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he said, really Bill a fire breathing dragon. And Bill,

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you know, Bill played the part, and he just wanted

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like this, he said, Pocahontas County. He was played the

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part dragon right, Pocahontas County.

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Speaker 4: The mention of the bugs apper reminded me of what

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was it was? His name Rodney from Coast to Coast

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am the man who called in claiming to have a

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spirit trapped in a bug zapper.

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Speaker 1: It's Rodney and Everett was the Uh was the ghost? Right?

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Speaker 5: Yes? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Did you ever hear that?

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Speaker 5: One? Brian never heard that one? Never heard?

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Speaker 1: Okay, Andy, there was a this was a I didn't

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hear it originally, but I've got it recorded. It was

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uh it was played on a repeat and this guy

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Bridley calls Art Bell and he says that he and

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his wife captured this ghost, the spirit with a bug

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zapper or some kind of a thing. That, yes, and

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it was, and it was really mad too. He was

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afraid to let it go because he didn't didn't want

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the consequences. So it's just the funniest.

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Speaker 5: Hey, you would be mad too if they put you

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in a.

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Speaker 1: Bug When I when I recorded it, it was on

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terrestrial radio, and it was it was raining and lightning,

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so every once in a while you get that uh

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uh uh distortion. You know. It was just kind of

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added to the ambiance of Yes, it is if you can,

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if you can find it online, it is an absolute hood.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like Ghostbusters one or two too many times.

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Got you work?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I milked that for all was worth Mm, no surprise, Brian,

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you had. I think you told me when I was

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down there that there were some reports of something going on,

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like right in your area people were seeing something.

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Speaker 5: Well yeah, so basically, uh, stell. You know, when you're

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coming down our road, you see that little trail that

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goes up the hill and you see the tower up there, right.

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So one of our neighbors told me. He says, I

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saw something, and he goes, I think it was the rake. Okay,

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and you know you've already heard about the rag the

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pasta creepy pasta type thing which some people say actually

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exists that other people say, Well, it was just a

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made up like a creepy pasta and then it just

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took you know, took flight. Well, he told me that

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it was funny though. When he told me the story,

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he said, well, I'm gonna tell you. He goes, I

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was a little buzzed when I saw this thing. Uh,

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he's said that and it's from here to from here

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up to where it happened is probably less than half

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of a mile. He said that he was on the

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opposite side of the creek and he's here something and

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he looks across the creek and up on the hill

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which you know you have to walk up the hill.

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He said this thing was. It was tall, maybe six

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foots and it was white. And he says it was

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just watching him as it was going down the h

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down the hill, which would have been down the hill

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actually to our road, Turkey Foot Road. And he said

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that up on the hill that allegedly, allegedly right there

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was other people who saw this thing. So I was

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I've been there about probably about four times already, I

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hiked the area a little bit. Of course, you know

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this this would have happened like a couple of years

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before we even got here. But he's worse. He goes,

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you know, I was a little buzzed, but I saw something.

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And so again you can take that and allegedly also

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straight down the road here that somebody saw with what

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they claim was a bigfoot. This was probably five, six,

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eight years ago, way before we got here. But so

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you know, I've I've hiked, hiked some of these areas.

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You know the look you know, maybe you know, maybe

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it'll come back, but so far nothing.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty cool that you're in an area where there

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might be something. And what are what are some of

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the other excursions you've taken some of the you've done

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a lot of them throughout the year. What are some

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of the other area Yeah.

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Speaker 5: We did, we did. There was a creature here in

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uh Butler County, which you know, Steve, that's where the

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where the Butler Conference is, uh place called Chaquora. They

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were seeing this creature that was called they still call

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it the Chiquora gargoyle. And if you type that in

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you'll see a drawing will come up of it. Okay,

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And we talked to that original eyewitness who saw this thing.

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So we did go to one of the original sightings and.

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Speaker 1: Oh, Brian froze up as everybody else him.

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Speaker 5: It actually was probably about over eight feet and it

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was gray and it around wrap around wings and they

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said that the helmet almost looked like an aerodynamic bicycler's helmet.

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And as the gentleman was coming up the road, this

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creature took three steps and went into the across the woods,

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and he didn't see it anymore. So we measured from

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burn to burm where this creature would have walked, and

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it was thirty three feet, So you're talking to three steps.

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You know, I'm not a mathematician, but that's like eleven

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eleven feet eleven foot tried. So there was other people

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around there that saw it too, and Dan Hageman actually

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interviewed most of the people. But we went up there

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with Dan and Paul and Fred and Terry, and we

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did we did go up there for that one.

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Speaker 1: Now you've got Butler's coming up, But don't you have

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another conference or two plan coming up this year?

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Speaker 5: Well, we we're actually on the what is it the

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sixteenth up in the Oh jeez, I'm trying to think

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where it is now in Pittsburgh. How's that we're doing?

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Me and five four others are doing a I don't know,

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not a conference. It was. It's kind of like a

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chat where there's four people. I don't know exactly what

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it's called.

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Speaker 1: But march I.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yes, it's we're going to talk about AI and

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we're going to talk about aliens. So and I'll get

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to do my little spiel about haven't you guys watched

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Terminator I robot. You got to watch what you're putting.

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Artificial intelligence in these robots just scares the shit out

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of me. I'm sorry, but you know, yeah, that'll be fun.

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And then we have Bill Rigby's conference which is on

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the twenty ninth, and then we have a Butler at

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the end of the month. And I'm also Stephen giving.

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I'm giving a presentation on Mothman and winged and winged

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winged entities of the Ohio Valley on April sixth uh

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in Gerard, Ohio Library.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to be giving uh you don't have

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dates yet, but there are two libraries and one in

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West Virginia and one in Newer, Ohio where I will

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be giving a Mothman one on one talk. So and

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I imagine there'll be uh little kids there, so I'll

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try not to be too scary. I want to want

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to make sure they can sleep at night. Yes, the Mothman,

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he's you know, well anyway, I wouldn't wouldn't try. Yeah,

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he's scared the hell of people. Yeah, chase cars. But

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he's a kinder jetler month man.

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Speaker 3: You know, he may be scary to dogs. Though I

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think that's the only evidence we possibly have of him

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being scary or dangerous.

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Speaker 1: Although the incident was bannedit that happened before the uh

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the Scarberry's UH and the Mallets uh Merle Partridge when

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he was interviewed by Jeff Walsley for his book UH,

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he said he didn't didn't see the eyes he saw there.

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It was something like it was uh electric or whatever.

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They were like lights revolving, And I think uh John

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Keel wrote an article on that earlier than the book

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came out, and it was reported like that accurately. But

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in the book it said it sounded more like Connie

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Carpenter's version of this thing that flow over the Mason

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County golf course. I think that, you know, Keel complained

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a lot about these faceless editors that were always messing

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with his grip. I don't know that Keel made the mistake.

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I think that perhaps the uh, the editors thought they'd

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make the two uh sightings a little more uh, you know,

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streamline unified. So I don't know, but UH, There's one

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thing I can tell you is that you know, the

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original couples that were chased by the Mothman out of

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the T and T area on November fifteenth, nineteen sixty six.

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The Scarberrys of the Mallets, they all gave interviews initially,

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and then the Mallets just went quiet. They haven't said

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anything for or forever. And Linda Scarberry came forward about

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two thousand and six and started coming to the Mothmand festivals. Actually,

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Jeff Walmsley, who founded the Monthmand Festival and the Mothman Museum,

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he lived on the same street that they lived on,

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the Scarberry's and he was he was Linda's paper boy,

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you know. So. But now Linda is no longer with us.

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She died several years ago. But Roger Scarberry, when he

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after he gave his initial interview, he just went quiet

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for like half a century. A few months ago, out

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of a clear blue he came to Jeff Wansley and

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he said, I want to tell my story. I'm tired

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of hearing people, uh say what happened and there, you know,

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they get it wrong. And so they set up an

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interview for the next day. I was in on the

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last part of that interview. Uh, And so the Jeff

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just said, Roger, just tell me, did it really happen?

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Because Jeff has always wondered, you know, was this something

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that was exaggerated or whatever? And Roger said, it scared

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the hell out of us. And he said they were

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they were looking at this thing and he actually saw

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the red eyes in it for a moment. He thought

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it might be like the the lights of a truck

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backing up, you know. And he said, everybody was looking

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at each other saying did you see what I saw?

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And so? And then then then it chased them into town.

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But uh so, Jeff is going to publish the full

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interview in his third book, so uh get that. Yeah.

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The only thing I can really tell you is his

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son was there, Rogers, and he said, my dad just

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doesn't make stuff up, so you know. So anyway, that was.

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And also the Connie Carpenter, she's the one that was

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driving past the Mason County golf course early on when

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the sighting started. She's mentioned in the mockband prophecies. She

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saw this thing, uh shoot up fly over her, a

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fly over the car. She said she couldn't describe the face.

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It was science fiction like and she had conjunctividis afterwards.

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You know, Usually that's associated with like UFOs or bright

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light or whatever. But so she wants to come forward

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and give her story. That hasn't happened yet, but anyway,

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that's kind of an update on the mont.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Steve, I was able to talk to several witnesses too,

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and we both talked to Linda Siegmund. She's actually going

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to speak at our conference, our Panhandler conference on May seven.

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We think is pretty cool. If you want to come

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down for that, you can. You can come down for

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that too and say.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll be slumming at your place for and you

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know what they there.

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Speaker 5: That's right, that's right. So the one lady I talked

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to and I know you've probably talked to and I

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hope i'm saying that Martellus Bennett.

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Speaker 1: Or Marcella Bennett.

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Speaker 5: Marcella Bennett.

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Speaker 1: Well, I never never had a chance to talk to her.

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Speaker 5: Oh okay, So I talked to her just so briefly

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at one of these moth Man one of the earlier

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ones that we went to. And she's and I wish,

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I wish I could have tape tape recorded this. And

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she's the one, like you know, Steve, who actually dropped

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the baby, her baby, and she saw this creature. So

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she she told me. She says, she pointed, she says,

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don't ever let them tell you that it didn't exist.

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And then she turned away and she says, and it's

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from outer space. So chilling, so chilling with those words,

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they just like went through me. I mean, and you

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should have seen a look in her eyes, Steve. We've

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all interviewed eyewitnesses, whether it's a like Susie, a puck

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wudgie or a bigfoot or a moth man or a

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wing dentity whatever, and that fear was in her eyes.

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I mean, I believe she saw what she did.

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Speaker 1: She would drive at night for a while afterwards. I've

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seen long form interviews with her. Yes, And for those

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that don't know, this is a if you're going out

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Potter's Creek Road and the Igloo roads are to the

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left and right north and south, hers was she and

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her brother went out on the first Igloo road north

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because the another Wansley family I think lived there, or

471
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,319
I'm not sure there was a there's some friends of

472
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,480
them lived there and they were, you know, they thought

473
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,920
the mothman thing was just a joke, so they were

474
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,400
going to go and you know, up there and tap

475
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,720
on the windows and see if they could scare them. Well,

476
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,279
they got there and just the kids were home. So

477
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,799
she's come. She holding her baby. She and her brother

478
00:26:46,799 --> 00:26:49,039
are walking back toward the car. He's trying to get

479
00:26:49,039 --> 00:26:52,519
her attention because there's some kind of a light or

480
00:26:52,519 --> 00:26:56,160
something up in the sky, and she's not interested. And

481
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,000
all of a sudden, this thing rises up off the

482
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,599
ground and she just freezes, and the and the and

483
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,720
the she actually dropped her infant. She was all right,

484
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,119
but uh and then she she picked her up, and

485
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,039
she was frozen for a minute. And they ran back

486
00:27:11,079 --> 00:27:14,480
to the house, went inside, and supposedly this thing walked

487
00:27:14,519 --> 00:27:17,319
back and forth across the porch, and of course they

488
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,960
called the cops. And by the time the cops got there,

489
00:27:20,599 --> 00:27:24,519
mister Monkman decided to exit stage left or right or whatever.

490
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,440
So he just doesn't stick around. But uh, yeah, and

491
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,680
then and and also remember tom Urie, does you ever

492
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:32,240
talk to him?

493
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 5: So brief so very briefly too. I think it was

494
00:27:35,759 --> 00:27:37,920
the same time. He just said, he goes, you know,

495
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,720
what to look like a giant bird. It's basically all

496
00:27:40,759 --> 00:27:42,480
he said. And then he kind of like like kind

497
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:43,960
of walked away. I just talked I mean it was

498
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,160
so brief, you.

499
00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 1: Know what He saw a thunderbird and he said, I

500
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,200
had a ten to twelve foot wingspan flew over his car.

501
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,920
And for the longest time he thought that everybody else

502
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,799
saw what he did, but due to the freak out factor,

503
00:27:57,839 --> 00:28:02,839
they added the details. So he was driving and by

504
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,839
the way, he uh Mary Hyer who was the reporter

505
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,319
and had the column where the waters where the waters

506
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,559
mingle and man new colleague of John Keel. Uh, she

507
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,960
reported his his uh sighting wrong. I think maybe she

508
00:28:20,079 --> 00:28:22,160
might have taken some liberty and made it sound more

509
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,079
like the Mothman. Anyway, it was a little ticked off.

510
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,160
He knew Mary. So when he went into her office

511
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,920
and said, Mary, I ought to kill you, he was kidding.

512
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,839
He wasn't homicidal. And she said, don't worry, Tom, this

513
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,079
will all blow over in about two weeks. Well, he's

514
00:28:38,119 --> 00:28:41,200
telling me the story years forty years later and he

515
00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:47,400
had blown over. So so he and Marcella were Marcella

516
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,880
Bennett were driving to Catanning. This was for promotion for

517
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:55,200
the Mothman Prophecies movie, because as you know, a lot

518
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,960
of this was filmed in Catanning. Substituting for point pleasant.

519
00:28:59,119 --> 00:29:01,319
And so he said, well, let's tell each other a story.

520
00:29:01,519 --> 00:29:04,480
And so he heard her story, and he told her

521
00:29:04,519 --> 00:29:07,359
his story, and he decided that they had actually seen

522
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:08,200
something different.

523
00:29:10,119 --> 00:29:15,079
Speaker 5: So, Steve, I have a special guest here to say something.

524
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:19,359
Speaker 1: Not a en cryptid right, No, wonder your boss, Terry,

525
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:26,839
how's going? You remember Andy? Right? And this is Susie Bastile,

526
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:28,000
the pug wedgie whisper.

527
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 5: We gotta we gotta bring up the books. And then

528
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:33,880
you know, and you don't think you talked to Andy

529
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:34,279
last night?

530
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,279
Speaker 2: And oh yes, and you know you know that that

531
00:29:37,359 --> 00:29:44,720
guy yeah.

532
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, close on our couch takes our takes our books.

533
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:50,519
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I've got I've got too many books here.

534
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,519
I've actually, I've actually taken a bunch of books, not

535
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,160
UFO books or paranormal books to Goodwill because i just

536
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:58,880
got to get rid of some stuff. So maybe i'll

537
00:29:59,079 --> 00:30:09,039
I'll know many's.

538
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 5: That's what she thinks.

539
00:30:08,119 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: My house is not much bigger than a bread basket.

540
00:30:10,799 --> 00:30:14,759
Bread uh not bread basket? What a bread doesn't matter.

541
00:30:15,079 --> 00:30:16,279
I got a small house.

542
00:30:17,079 --> 00:30:19,279
Speaker 5: Our old house, Steve, it was you know, we had

543
00:30:19,319 --> 00:30:21,720
the basement was the library. Now it's changed in the

544
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,440
one room like when you saw when you come here, you.

545
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: Know, right right, very cool. Well, my mine'st jammed in

546
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,559
one room too, but it's become kind of a junk

547
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,559
room right now. It got too many bucks. I can't

548
00:30:31,599 --> 00:30:33,559
even get to my library because I got too much

549
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:34,519
junk in that right now.

550
00:30:35,799 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 5: Anyway, But she runs the group, Susy, she's the Hart

551
00:30:39,759 --> 00:30:41,759
and so holder group. She runs it. Uh, I just

552
00:30:41,799 --> 00:30:44,799
get up here and talk and bullshit, and I couldn't

553
00:30:44,839 --> 00:30:45,599
do all this about her.

554
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,559
Speaker 1: She does she pay you?

555
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,799
Speaker 5: I'm being honest. I'm not lying or doing it. You know.

556
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,279
Speaker 1: Does she pay you with salary?

557
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 5: No, he should be paying me.

558
00:30:58,039 --> 00:30:58,759
Speaker 1: She's the public.

559
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,519
Speaker 4: Ask a hard hitting question. How is Steve as a

560
00:31:04,559 --> 00:31:05,200
house guest?

561
00:31:05,359 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 3: Is he messy? Does he snore?

562
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,119
Speaker 5: He's a very good guest, very good guest. If he

563
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:13,680
comes over during the day, he has to take a

564
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:18,240
little nap, but other than that, he's pretty good. Which Steve,

565
00:31:18,319 --> 00:31:20,119
I do this now, so I'm not making funny of you.

566
00:31:21,319 --> 00:31:23,039
If we go out for an hour, a couple of hours,

567
00:31:23,079 --> 00:31:25,279
I'm like, I'm gonna take a half our nap goes

568
00:31:25,279 --> 00:31:27,799
into an hour, and then I get up but I

569
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:32,880
understand now, Steve. No, Steve is a great house guest.

570
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:37,319
Speaker 1: He's yeah, and I and I and I love the cats.

571
00:31:37,119 --> 00:31:42,839
Speaker 5: They want to grab Salie, give your girl. She's not

572
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,920
doing very good with our new cat. And it's you're Sally.

573
00:31:46,039 --> 00:31:48,000
You remember her? Yeah?

574
00:31:48,039 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: There she goes really tiny.

575
00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 5: She don't like being held. Yeah, he's getting crabby in

576
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:55,279
her old age.

577
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:56,839
Speaker 1: She's not a lap cat.

578
00:31:57,079 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 5: She was, yeah, she still is.

579
00:31:59,319 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

580
00:31:59,559 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, she just doesn't want to be picked up and held.

581
00:32:02,519 --> 00:32:04,680
But if you're sitting down, she'll come jump on you.

582
00:32:04,759 --> 00:32:08,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, very good. Well, good to see you, Terry,

583
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,960
you Steve. He may have me as a house guest

584
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:13,440
pretty soon.

585
00:32:14,119 --> 00:32:18,119
Speaker 5: Ye, but another one month month and a half and April,

586
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:19,920
end of April, and then I've invited him over for

587
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,079
me too. If he wants to come for the Panhandle

588
00:32:22,079 --> 00:32:24,920
come from. Maybe you will actually get John Lee to

589
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:26,839
come to something maybe yeah.

590
00:32:26,839 --> 00:32:30,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, he was down for the festival last time.

591
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:35,599
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I got to get back down there. You know,

592
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,519
I haven't we well, I think we went two years ago.

593
00:32:38,559 --> 00:32:40,160
It was so crowded, Steve.

594
00:32:40,759 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: I know, and I you know, I was the MC

595
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,160
and they had at a church at the other side

596
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:51,039
of the UH of town, and I didn't I didn't

597
00:32:51,079 --> 00:32:54,559
actually get down to the festival park to spend money.

598
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:56,960
I was. I was actually still working on my talk,

599
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:02,000
but I uh you know, I couldn't. Uh it was

600
00:33:02,119 --> 00:33:04,839
uh would would take just to do the round trip.

601
00:33:05,359 --> 00:33:08,000
It would have been close to uh you know, the

602
00:33:08,039 --> 00:33:11,640
next speaker. So anyway that's happened. You know, I used

603
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:15,480
to be a happy, go lucky UH Mothman Festival attendee.

604
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,839
I would I would get the fever and anything with

605
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,039
Mothman on a T, shirts, books, trinkets or whatever I

606
00:33:21,119 --> 00:33:23,160
had to have it, I'd get into the cold sweats

607
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,799
if I didn't buy it. And now over the years

608
00:33:25,799 --> 00:33:28,200
I've been absorbed. So I go into the T and

609
00:33:28,279 --> 00:33:31,359
T area early and set up some of the critters

610
00:33:31,359 --> 00:33:33,799
in there, and you know, with their eyes lit up

611
00:33:33,839 --> 00:33:37,400
and giant pree spiders and everything. And of course the

612
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,200
fricks are in there setting up the Mothman and uh

613
00:33:40,279 --> 00:33:45,319
you know, with their ingenious uh hand hand crank delivery

614
00:33:45,359 --> 00:33:49,559
system and they light up its eyes with it's If

615
00:33:49,559 --> 00:33:51,440
you walk into the Mothmam Museum and look up in

616
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,440
the ceiling, you will see the mothman they created and

617
00:33:54,599 --> 00:33:57,319
it's pretty cool and uh, they let light up his

618
00:33:57,359 --> 00:34:00,519
eyes with battery power. They set up the the wire

619
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,480
that he comes down, and they blast a sound effect

620
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,319
which I won't tell you where it comes from because

621
00:34:07,559 --> 00:34:09,880
I'm sure it's copyrighted. And I don't want them to

622
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,519
end up in ankle bracelets, you know, because of who's

623
00:34:12,519 --> 00:34:12,920
gonna fly.

624
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 5: I know you miss us, I know you miss a

625
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,280
whole wagon full of bigfooters harassing you during.

626
00:34:20,079 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 1: The well I may. I'm sure I told this story

627
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,880
before on air, but you know, not everybody listens to

628
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,880
every show. I had met Brian and some of the

629
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,880
bigfooters at Butler the first year I went. And so

630
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,280
I'm on the cart. There's there's three of us that

631
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,400
do the tours, and they give me the old man

632
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,400
cart usually with the nice comfortable seats, which is kind

633
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,079
of nice. The other ones that get stuck with the

634
00:34:44,119 --> 00:34:47,320
real you know, with baiales of hay and all that stuff. Anyway,

635
00:34:47,599 --> 00:34:49,760
so I see these guys lying up and I think, oh, heck,

636
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:54,440
they're uh they're Butler people bigfooters. And I thought, oh,

637
00:34:54,519 --> 00:34:57,880
there's four, maybe six I recognize. So they get on

638
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,400
the cart, and I thought, well, I'm gonna he messed

639
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,880
with these guys. And I said, I started out instead

640
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,760
of the real, the normal tour. I said, you know,

641
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:12,639
the only legitimate paranormal researchers are Mosman researchers. Bigfoot researchers

642
00:35:12,639 --> 00:35:18,920
are a bunch of backbencher wannabes. And I remember Dave Rupert,

643
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,239
who I didn't know. He's looking at me like do

644
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,599
I kill him quick or slow? You know?

645
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,679
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was fun. That was That was the funnest

646
00:35:28,679 --> 00:35:29,840
time we ever had down there.

647
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. But then the punchline is Bruce Henrington that runs

648
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,639
the Creature Weekend, is sitting next to me. He's got

649
00:35:34,639 --> 00:35:37,079
his camera. I said, hey, Bruce, pretty funny, huh. I

650
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,039
you know I recognize so and so and so and so.

651
00:35:39,159 --> 00:35:42,719
He said, Steve, the whole cart was full of bigfoots.

652
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,039
Speaker 5: That's become a running joke now, Steve.

653
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: Even most of them came back the next year for

654
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,079
more abuse, So I must have done a good job.

655
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,599
Speaker 5: Steve posted something I forget what it was about the

656
00:35:57,639 --> 00:36:00,679
truth or something or no, I can know longer. Hope

657
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,800
say you know, not say anything, and I'm like, yes,

658
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,360
the bigfoot is better than moth Man.

659
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 2: Do you think there's any connection between the two.

660
00:36:11,599 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 5: I'll let Steve take that first.

661
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,039
Speaker 1: Well, you're the guess. You're the guy that knows, well.

662
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 5: You know, if some of these things are interdimensional, which

663
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,320
I you know, if I had the guess, that's what

664
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,559
Mothman was, an interdimensional creature that stayed a lot longer

665
00:36:27,559 --> 00:36:31,079
than normal. What eleven, twelve, thirteen months or something like that, Steve.

666
00:36:31,079 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: Well, even it actually people were seeing it afterwards, Okay,

667
00:36:35,079 --> 00:36:37,559
but that the attention because of the bridge collapse, the

668
00:36:37,599 --> 00:36:40,679
tragedy there. People just didn't care about that or the

669
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:41,639
UFOs anymore.

670
00:36:42,199 --> 00:36:45,079
Speaker 5: And with Bigfoot, you have, you know a lot of

671
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:47,000
sightings here especially well if not here now we no

672
00:36:47,039 --> 00:36:52,800
longer live in pa in Pennsylvania, that there's been tracks

673
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,119
in this Like you take a big field with snow,

674
00:36:55,679 --> 00:36:57,719
tracks go in the middle of the field, they just disappear,

675
00:36:58,199 --> 00:37:00,320
or you'll find one track here and one where they

676
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,800
come from. Where do they go? Now? A skeptical tell you, well,

677
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,199
you know that this creature went all the way in

678
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,599
the middle of the field at night, and then a

679
00:37:06,679 --> 00:37:09,800
backtrack all the way out, making perfect prints. Where did

680
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,840
it go? Did it go? Up through down. Where did

681
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,119
it go? It had to go, you know, had to

682
00:37:16,119 --> 00:37:19,199
go somewhere. So we get this. I mean, you know,

683
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,000
some people have Actually I talked to a guy a

684
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,960
long time ago who claims this was up in West

685
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:29,239
more Than County. He heard noises, okay, on once in

686
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:34,360
this field he sees something, but he only sees half

687
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,199
of it. And then he sees it over there.

688
00:37:39,159 --> 00:37:41,119
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it.

689
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 5: Was there, and it's gone, and then it's there. And

690
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,519
then we got another report that Fred took of this

691
00:37:46,559 --> 00:37:51,159
creature crossing the road and as it was crossing, it

692
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:56,599
just sort of faded out, didn't totally disappear. Started you know,

693
00:37:56,679 --> 00:37:59,239
it's cross and crossing, it's fading out, fading out. By

694
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,559
the time it gets to the end the road, it's

695
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,679
it's gone. So what happened? I mean, did it did

696
00:38:04,679 --> 00:38:07,519
it go through did it go through a portal? I

697
00:38:07,519 --> 00:38:10,440
don't know. But we do take even though we you know,

698
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,519
technically cryptozoologists, you know, it's got to be a flesh

699
00:38:14,519 --> 00:38:19,039
and blood thing. We we research it as a flesh

700
00:38:19,079 --> 00:38:21,119
and blood you know, we're looking for signs, we're looking

701
00:38:21,159 --> 00:38:23,440
for tracks, you know, hair or whatever you're looking for.

702
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,920
But did a lot of the estimate. Its a lot

703
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,079
of this, and and maybe Susie can tell me about

704
00:38:30,199 --> 00:38:33,559
the puckuadgy too. It doesn't make sense. Yeah, what do

705
00:38:33,639 --> 00:38:34,280
you think about that?

706
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 2: You?

707
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:41,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm kind of the same school of thought as you.

708
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 3: With puck wedgies. People will see them say, you know,

709
00:38:44,639 --> 00:38:47,199
it was real. It was in front of me. I

710
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:48,159
smelled it.

711
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:54,519
Speaker 4: No tracks, they just kind of disappear as you know,

712
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,840
just like they appear suddenly. They'll disappear just as suddenly.

713
00:38:58,639 --> 00:39:01,199
But people will say, you know, it was standing right

714
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,400
in front of me. It looked like a flesh and

715
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,960
blood animal. Yes, so I think, and you know, it

716
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,719
could be both, though it doesn't have to be one

717
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,320
or the other. But I definitely don't think, you know,

718
00:39:13,559 --> 00:39:15,440
tangible like you and I are.

719
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know how tangible I am.

720
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:24,199
Speaker 1: Sometimes we don't feel that tangible sometimes.

721
00:39:24,519 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 5: But you know, when my wife Terry, she's she's read

722
00:39:30,039 --> 00:39:32,159
a lot about the Fay and about the little people.

723
00:39:32,599 --> 00:39:35,840
And if some people scoff at that, I'm like, okay,

724
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,280
but you believe that there's a six to eight foot

725
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,800
tall Harry ape out there and we can't find it.

726
00:39:42,119 --> 00:39:45,440
Why could there not be a small forefoot or under

727
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:50,320
something small, it would be harder to find, right, I mean,

728
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:51,400
doesn't that make sense?

729
00:39:52,039 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 4: I think yeah, and Brian actually have something I have

730
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,719
to thank you for that relates to pages.

731
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 3: So it maybe it was sometime within.

732
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 4: The last year you were on the show of a

733
00:40:06,559 --> 00:40:10,519
couple of close friends of mine who in one of them,

734
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:16,199
accidentally because Puck Wedgies came up, he accidentally called me

735
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,440
his dog's name, and you corrupted him.

736
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 3: His dog's name is.

737
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 4: Lucy, and so instead of Susie, he said Lucy, and

738
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,400
Brian chimes in, finally, and this is my own friend,

739
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:33,119
mind you that called me his dog's name. And Brian,

740
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,119
like a knight in shining armor, says, are you talking

741
00:40:36,159 --> 00:40:38,719
about Susie?

742
00:40:38,639 --> 00:40:42,079
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I do. I do mention you on some

743
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,039
of some of the shows because like you know, like

744
00:40:45,079 --> 00:40:47,760
I said, we we've only done one or two cases.

745
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,840
We did the one case of a gnome like creature, right,

746
00:40:50,519 --> 00:40:53,480
And also up in Chikora there is a and I

747
00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:56,480
talked to the guy been trying for what about six

748
00:40:56,559 --> 00:40:58,639
or seven years to get on his gun and his property.

749
00:40:58,679 --> 00:41:01,360
But if you you get a chance, all you all

750
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:06,320
you type in Chakhora nome. Okay, if you type it in,

751
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,280
you're gonna see a little picture. You're gonna see a

752
00:41:09,679 --> 00:41:11,760
like kind of like was it on the ground or

753
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,280
in the wedge of a tree. You might have been

754
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:17,039
on the ground. It looks like one of the garden nomes.

755
00:41:17,559 --> 00:41:21,960
But but and he said that he he did take

756
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,760
that picture and he got an analyzed and he says,

757
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,679
you know, this looks like this was some kind of

758
00:41:26,679 --> 00:41:30,320
a real empathy. So again, I mean like maybe someday

759
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,880
before I die, he'll let us on a property. But

760
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:38,920
so you're talking, you're talking gnomes, uh, you know, gargoyles, bigfoot,

761
00:41:39,079 --> 00:41:41,199
you know where they come from? My friend Fred always says,

762
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:42,519
where do they come from? Where do they go?

763
00:41:43,079 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 2: As you can imagine over here, we've got stories of

764
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:50,280
those things going for a thousand definitely, yeah, absolutely before

765
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,719
it's oldest stories here. These things tend to come from

766
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,079
underground or come from the hills. They was trying to

767
00:41:55,079 --> 00:41:57,000
find an explanation for where they appear from. But some

768
00:41:57,039 --> 00:41:59,559
of the stories it just they appeared literally from nowhere.

769
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,280
So absolutely in pixies, fairies, all those things, you know,

770
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,960
there were many folk like tales about those particular creatures

771
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,000
being seen. I just want to quickly tell you a

772
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:09,960
little story. Actually, I was with some friends at the

773
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,920
weekend and I've completely forgotten about this. This kind of

774
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,599
weird remembering old stuff. I was talking on the show

775
00:42:15,639 --> 00:42:18,039
recently about the one UFO experience I'd had back in

776
00:42:18,079 --> 00:42:20,239
the eighties. I'd completely forgotten about. It just came to me.

777
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,440
But when I was involved with a group called earth Quests,

778
00:42:23,559 --> 00:42:26,679
used to investigate strange phenomena back in the early eighties

779
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,519
and nineties in the UK. One of the guys who

780
00:42:29,639 --> 00:42:32,480
joined the group was a retired policeman. He was relatively young.

781
00:42:32,519 --> 00:42:34,480
He'd had a serious injury through work and so I

782
00:42:34,519 --> 00:42:35,840
was retired out of the police force. It was, I

783
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,679
think in his forties and talking about different cases. Had

784
00:42:39,679 --> 00:42:42,400
a few odd things happened, but said the stranger's case

785
00:42:42,639 --> 00:42:44,840
he had as a policeman was called to someone's house.

786
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,440
A woman rang him bang the police station and say

787
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,320
that she believed there was an intruder in her house.

788
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,639
She couldn't find anything, but she'd seen some very strange footprints,

789
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:54,800
it said. It took us a while to go around

790
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:56,719
because it wasn't a high perriority as she said, there

791
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:57,880
was no one in the house, but she thought she

792
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,000
may have been broken into. And so he came out

793
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:01,920
into the house, went into the lounge and there were

794
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,559
big called French doors, big glass doors at the back,

795
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,679
and there's a light snowfall, and you could see in

796
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,119
the back garden there were footprints, shoe footprints. And walked

797
00:43:12,159 --> 00:43:14,440
on the corner of the fence up to the glass

798
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,840
door and stopped. And there's no footsteps going backwards, and

799
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,639
no footsteps go anywhere else. The door hadn't been opened.

800
00:43:20,639 --> 00:43:23,880
It literally it walked to the back door and stopped it.

801
00:43:25,639 --> 00:43:26,079
Speaker 1: Where to go.

802
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,280
Speaker 5: I mean it's like, you know the big the Bigfoot

803
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:33,159
mystery especially, I mean there's just a lot of there's

804
00:43:33,199 --> 00:43:35,400
I think there's too much in the Bigfoot mystery to

805
00:43:35,559 --> 00:43:37,320
just say, oh, it's just an ape or it's an

806
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,239
undiscovered primate. I think we would have more evidence, I

807
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,360
really do. Uh. You know, like Paul Johnson, you know,

808
00:43:43,599 --> 00:43:47,000
Steve knows who doctor Paul Johnson is. He talks about

809
00:43:47,039 --> 00:43:49,639
a quantum theory, like when this creature is here, it's

810
00:43:49,679 --> 00:43:51,119
just as real as us or a bear.

811
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, it somehow.

812
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,199
Speaker 5: Can go into a you know, another realm to Menson,

813
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,960
you are maybe it's a portal you supply the word

814
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:05,239
you know, and that's just like what is it? I

815
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,880
mean it's like I I like Steve knows, I say,

816
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,360
I don't know a lot. I mean, I like, you know,

817
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:12,840
what what is your fit?

818
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 1: You don't know a lot? Well, you know, I don't

819
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:22,480
know critic Yeah, Brian, Brian, hold on a second. You

820
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,320
you're out there doing You're talking to people and doing

821
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,119
a lot of a lot of not just research, but

822
00:44:28,199 --> 00:44:32,400
you're you're actually out there in the field interviewing witnesses.

823
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,840
So you just from your experience, you're going to know

824
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,280
a lot more than many people do. I'm more on

825
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,360
the research side, you know. I'm more like kick back

826
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,480
in the chair and do you know, think deep thoughts

827
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:46,280
and do research.

828
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:50,079
Speaker 5: But we do both. We archive. You know, you've seen

829
00:44:50,079 --> 00:44:55,320
our foul Steve we call and uh yeah, we and

830
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,000
like you're talking about like soon as he talks about

831
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,760
the puck wadg we Hinsdale, New York, Hensdale House, have

832
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:02,519
you heard it? You probably heard of it, right, Yeah,

833
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,760
So the gentleman who runs it, uh, what's his name?

834
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,960
What's his name? Dan something?

835
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 3: Oh?

836
00:45:10,079 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 5: Dan cloffs. No, it's Dan, That's what I say. Yeah,

837
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,480
you can tell her Mary how back and board. It'll

838
00:45:19,519 --> 00:45:22,000
it'll be forty years Steve this year. This this November,

839
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:27,280
by the way. So, so he claims that there's one

840
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,039
on his property. When we were up there. We were

841
00:45:29,119 --> 00:45:31,639
up there with Lee uh uh, the one year John

842
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:36,679
Lee and they they claimed that there was something they

843
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:42,000
saw something you remember was it was? It was it

844
00:45:42,079 --> 00:45:44,079
kind of like an ape like because what happened is

845
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,840
they all a bunch of them. They walked down the road.

846
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:55,400
We did, so we we hear noise, you know, we

847
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,760
see these lights going like that, they're flashlight that they're

848
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:02,159
running back, running back down the road. We saw this thing.

849
00:46:02,199 --> 00:46:05,639
It was big. So I ran straight up into the

850
00:46:05,639 --> 00:46:08,400
woods and there's a what's a tree called there was

851
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:14,079
a tree that they've the offering tree. Okay, and I

852
00:46:14,199 --> 00:46:15,960
just sat there for a while and yeah, I got

853
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,280
this weird feeling. You didn't see anything, but just kind

854
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:22,199
of it felt weird. But they claim it was they

855
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,880
saw bigfoot. Now, there was also allegedly another bigfoot scene

856
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:27,920
on the other side of the property. So but he

857
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,239
claims that people have seen this little thing. He calls

858
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,079
the Puckwadgy there. So it's on Native American land, right,

859
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:34,360
I think.

860
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 3: Well, we're all on Native American land.

861
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're right. That's a good point.

862
00:46:40,079 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 4: In the Bridgwater Triangle too, where you have Puckwagy sightings,

863
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:44,880
there's also bigfoot sightings.

864
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,159
Speaker 3: Lauren Coleman documented a lot of those.

865
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:48,159
Speaker 2: Have you gone there?

866
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 5: Have you gone to the Bridgewater Triangle?

867
00:46:50,039 --> 00:46:52,320
Speaker 3: I have stayed overnight there also.

868
00:46:52,599 --> 00:46:57,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, anything happened, anything happened, nothing, nothing there' Steve you

869
00:46:57,199 --> 00:46:58,239
were there too, Steve Right?

870
00:46:58,599 --> 00:47:01,199
Speaker 1: No, not been to the Bridgewater Triangle. So's been there

871
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:01,800
several times?

872
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,679
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I go a few times every year usually.

873
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,039
Speaker 5: I've always wanted to go there. I mean yeah, one

874
00:47:08,079 --> 00:47:10,199
time somebody claimed they saw a dinosaur there too.

875
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 4: I thought, yeah, yep, yep, and pterodactyls as well as

876
00:47:16,039 --> 00:47:21,599
terrestrial dinosaurs yep, and huge snakes and as a dinosaur.

877
00:47:22,079 --> 00:47:24,519
Speaker 2: Well, I've been to Bridgewater a few times. There's nothing much.

878
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 4: There, A different, different Bridgewater.

879
00:47:32,599 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: Are you saying we stole the name Andy.

880
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:36,639
Speaker 2: Well, there's a possibility.

881
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,679
Speaker 5: New England, you know, Andy, we have a place here

882
00:47:41,679 --> 00:47:47,159
in uh well, in uh Pennsylvania. It's called Newcastle and

883
00:47:47,199 --> 00:47:48,239
I know you have won there.

884
00:47:48,119 --> 00:47:50,639
Speaker 2: Too, right, do you have any coal there? Yes, it's

885
00:47:50,679 --> 00:47:54,400
a big city, Newcastle. Yes. One of the funny things

886
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,519
season is about this. You've got a Taunton and a Bridgewater,

887
00:47:58,119 --> 00:48:01,079
and I live near Taunton, and the relationship the position

888
00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:04,440
wise to bridge Walton Taunton is the same. It's the

889
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:08,199
same direction from one from the other over there, which

890
00:48:08,199 --> 00:48:08,760
is pretty quick.

891
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:09,039
Speaker 1: Yeah.

892
00:48:09,079 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 3: I went to look something up.

893
00:48:11,039 --> 00:48:13,039
Speaker 4: I don't remember if it's looking up Bridgewater or taut

894
00:48:13,039 --> 00:48:15,360
and I think it was Taught and I saw like

895
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,400
Taunton mass and then Taught in UK and I said, oh,

896
00:48:20,079 --> 00:48:22,199
that's another one. I'm just going to click on it,

897
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,599
take a look at it. And I pulled up. It

898
00:48:24,679 --> 00:48:26,360
took me to that part of the map and I

899
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,079
saw it was right next to Bridgewater.

900
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:34,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's like almost probably like the same directionally, yeah,

901
00:48:35,679 --> 00:48:38,760
as each other. It was like an overlight. It was crazy.

902
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that Saunton is eight hundred years old. It's

903
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:42,079
a little holder.

904
00:48:44,079 --> 00:48:46,039
Speaker 1: But back to what we're talking about with Bigfoot. You

905
00:48:46,039 --> 00:48:51,039
know you had Stan Gordon in the he investigated Pennsylvania

906
00:48:51,199 --> 00:48:55,400
south West Pennsylvania seventy three seventy four bizarre bigfoot reports

907
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,599
that were shot point blanket that would disappear in a

908
00:48:57,599 --> 00:49:01,400
hal of sparks and they you know, green glowing eyes

909
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,519
and just just really odded. But even some of the

910
00:49:03,519 --> 00:49:06,360
ones out in the northwest, uh the Valley of the

911
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,800
Schookum by Sally Shepherd Wolford. Uh, some of them were

912
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,480
very much look flesh and blood, but some of them

913
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:17,280
were transparent, you know, and it was just so uh

914
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:21,079
it's just so hard to uh to you to pin

915
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:22,039
down what they are.

916
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,679
Speaker 5: What's your word, what's your word trans what does that trans.

917
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 1: More, transmogrification, longification, that's a yes. But by the way,

918
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,320
Susie has been infected by John Keel. Yeah, she's she

919
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:37,400
read the man prophecies and and she uh well I

920
00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:40,519
don't speak for her, but I think she's been uhcumbed.

921
00:49:41,599 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, we talked to doctor Simeon.

922
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:49,559
Speaker 2: Ns.

923
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:51,599
Speaker 5: Yeah.

924
00:49:51,639 --> 00:49:57,599
Speaker 4: I'm reading Dark Matter Monsters right, a very interesting theory

925
00:49:57,639 --> 00:49:58,480
as well.

926
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:02,039
Speaker 5: Exactly exactly, And I I think more people are kind

927
00:50:02,039 --> 00:50:03,320
of starting to, I don't want to say jump on

928
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,280
the bandwagon, but they're definitely paying attention to that. But

929
00:50:07,039 --> 00:50:09,159
a lot of them, like Steve has been talking about

930
00:50:09,159 --> 00:50:13,400
that for years. We talk about it, but we don't utterry.

931
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,519
We kind of don't really push it because as a

932
00:50:15,639 --> 00:50:20,280
cryptozoologist you're not really supposed to say that. But but

933
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,679
we get around that by saying which is true. We

934
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,360
start off by thinking these things are flesh and blood

935
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,079
and we're looking for evidence there. However, it goes after that,

936
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:29,559
it goes.

937
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 4: But the just change your name to the Bigfoot Whisperer

938
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,400
and then you say whatever you want there, you.

939
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: Go, let me do our station identification intermission here The

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00:50:43,559 --> 00:50:48,360
High Strangest Factor is copyrighted on the Paranormal UK Radio Network. Today,

941
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:52,320
Andy Susie and I are talking to Brian Seek about

942
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,800
his work in the Realm of the Unexplained. Now we've

943
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,400
got to take a little little side step here. It

944
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,880
is tradition because because it turns out that Brian, and

945
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,159
he never lets me forget, he had a small part

946
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:09,440
in a major emotion picture. I think it was dude,

947
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,440
where's my car? Is that correct?

948
00:51:11,679 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, there was this movie called Mothman Prophecies.

949
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 1: Ah, that's right, that's right, And so you've got to

950
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:21,719
you've got to tell the story again. I mean, uh,

951
00:51:22,039 --> 00:51:24,760
not everybody has heard it and not everybody's gonna go

952
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,000
back on the archive to find it. But it's a

953
00:51:27,079 --> 00:51:27,719
great story.

954
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 5: So what if Jeff Talkington hears this, He's gonna go on,

955
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,039
here we go again. I'm probably gonna listen to it.

956
00:51:33,519 --> 00:51:35,159
So this was for you, Jeff.

957
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,559
Speaker 1: So how did you get how did you get the

958
00:51:39,639 --> 00:51:40,280
word about this?

959
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,559
Speaker 5: Well, we found out to the newspaper that uh, a

960
00:51:43,639 --> 00:51:46,760
place called Nancy Mosser Casting is she did, and she's

961
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,960
still around. She's in Pittsburgh. She she still does a

962
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,199
lot of things for movies and commercials. They needed for

963
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:54,639
the Mothman prophecies.

964
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:59,079
Speaker 1: Mallington, Mark Mark Pellington, is.

965
00:51:59,119 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 5: He the guy that Yes, yes, he was the director.

966
00:52:02,079 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 1: And they filmed this in uh a lot of them

967
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:08,000
in Pennsylvania because that's where they're based, right, Yeah.

968
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 5: And the part I did was up at the pit

969
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:13,800
Cathedral learning is the part.

970
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:15,559
Speaker 1: That I was in and that was supposed to do

971
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:17,920
for Chicago, right, yes.

972
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 5: And Richard gear and all Bates, Allen Bates were walking

973
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,840
up the steps to go into the library right before

974
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:29,719
the library scene, and I'm the guy on that I

975
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,800
think on the left carrying the briefcase. And that's always

976
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:37,039
meaning he looked at He's laughing. Already tease each other

977
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,239
about that briefcase. Yes, I.

978
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 1: Accused Brian of going to the food counter or whatever

979
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:47,440
and stuffing it full of food so they didn't have

980
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:49,920
to buy groceries for two weeks. But I could that

981
00:52:50,039 --> 00:52:51,199
might be an exaggeration.

982
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:53,519
Speaker 5: Hey, they did feed us. They did feed us really well.

983
00:52:53,639 --> 00:52:57,280
Speaker 1: So so how many you timed it? How many seconds

984
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:57,599
are you on?

985
00:53:00,119 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 5: Maybe two, but maybe two and.

986
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 1: Maybe three.

987
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:06,639
Speaker 5: But it was funny because I took I took my

988
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,639
mom and brother. We went that night. It was like, oh,

989
00:53:09,679 --> 00:53:13,119
here's the big premiere, right, and I'm like, they're walking

990
00:53:13,159 --> 00:53:15,440
off tips. I go there I and then it was over.

991
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,159
I actually slowed it down at home and I took

992
00:53:20,199 --> 00:53:22,199
a still shot and I'm like, there, I am very good.

993
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:25,480
So it was fun.

994
00:53:25,679 --> 00:53:26,199
Speaker 2: It was fun.

995
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 5: But actually, Steve, I'm doing a uh in two weeks.

996
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:34,920
I'm doing a uh, A small bit part where I

997
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,920
think I have three lines. I'm playing a farmer and

998
00:53:38,039 --> 00:53:42,320
it's a it's a horror film called Wrong Way and

999
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:46,039
almost there. Yeah, I haven't shade that.

1000
00:53:47,679 --> 00:53:48,159
Speaker 1: I don't like it.

1001
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 5: He likes me and a beard. I don't want it

1002
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,119
makes me look but uh so I'm gonna have like

1003
00:53:52,199 --> 00:53:54,800
three lines in this in this movie. I was in

1004
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:58,880
two other movies that they had called Crossing Paths and

1005
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,480
Crossing Past two. So again I had a little bit.

1006
00:54:01,559 --> 00:54:04,079
I had bigger parts. This is just such a minor part.

1007
00:54:04,159 --> 00:54:05,960
But that's fun to do, you know what I mean.

1008
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,159
Speaker 1: Did you see me in Mountain Devil three? Did you

1009
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:10,079
wash Mountain Devil?

1010
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 2: Oh?

1011
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:14,079
Speaker 5: Yeah I did. Unfortunately, Oh man, I mean you did

1012
00:54:14,119 --> 00:54:17,320
a great part. But I mean that was like I was.

1013
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:18,880
I was in Mountain Devil one and two.

1014
00:54:20,039 --> 00:54:23,199
Speaker 1: I was in both of them, but those were actual documentaries, right.

1015
00:54:23,519 --> 00:54:27,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, this the three, well, I'm not I'm gonna be nice.

1016
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1017
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 5: Uh.

1018
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:33,280
Speaker 1: And and the Bigfoots they're like wearing shirts, you know,

1019
00:54:33,639 --> 00:54:37,000
they're not even the costume isn't even zipped up. I

1020
00:54:37,079 --> 00:54:42,000
don't know, but yeah, like flying saucers are coming over

1021
00:54:42,159 --> 00:54:44,960
and uh blowing up cars and people. You know, they

1022
00:54:45,079 --> 00:54:49,400
explode and they what happened was the they get who's

1023
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:54,159
the guy that did it? Ryan the Okay, several years

1024
00:54:54,199 --> 00:54:56,559
before I was at Butler and we did some interviews,

1025
00:54:56,599 --> 00:54:59,400
I mean serious interviews, and so he asked if he

1026
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,679
could use that and this this film. I didn't know

1027
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:04,000
where it was going to end up, so it wasn't

1028
00:55:04,119 --> 00:55:06,280
wasn't too embarrassing for me. What they did was aunorate

1029
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,840
look retro and they had this recro TV set and

1030
00:55:10,199 --> 00:55:16,360
uh uh, I'm on it talking about John Keele and transmografication.

1031
00:55:16,519 --> 00:55:19,880
I said, transmogrification. That's not easy to say. I'm on

1032
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:24,079
there for about one minute in this bizarre mockumentary and

1033
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:30,440
uh man, we're film stars, though, Brian. You know, I

1034
00:55:30,559 --> 00:55:32,519
mean a lot of people are going to be envious,

1035
00:55:32,519 --> 00:55:34,920
so and and you know the chicks are really going

1036
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:35,360
to take it.

1037
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:40,119
Speaker 5: Yeah, I always I tease her. I'm like, if somebody

1038
00:55:40,199 --> 00:55:42,000
says I saw you on someone, I'm like, Terry. These

1039
00:55:42,039 --> 00:55:43,360
fans just won't let me alone.

1040
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:48,760
Speaker 2: This is radio, so I can't show this. I'm actually

1041
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:52,360
watching the clip at the moment outside with characters talking,

1042
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:53,880
and I'm trying to see I spot Brian, but no,

1043
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:54,480
not so far.

1044
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 5: Oh oh the in the movie, Yeah, that was, like,

1045
00:55:59,119 --> 00:56:01,400
you know, it was verymidating. I shot, we shot for

1046
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:03,599
I shot for two scenes. The other one didn't get

1047
00:56:03,679 --> 00:56:07,719
If you guys remember where uh Richard gear, you remember

1048
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:08,760
where he's sitting in the park.

1049
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,599
Speaker 1: Yes, and then he looks up.

1050
00:56:12,199 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 5: That was a huge park. That was a park. Me

1051
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,400
and another lady were all the way across the the

1052
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,199
other end of the park walking, I mean, and they.

1053
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:22,880
I didn't get in that scene, but that was intimidating.

1054
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,800
We went out there was snowing like a little flurry

1055
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:29,599
and it was cold, and they're all, they're all underneath

1056
00:56:29,639 --> 00:56:32,679
a tent and Richard Gear sitting there on the uh

1057
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:37,480
this the seat on the bench, and they had this system.

1058
00:56:39,079 --> 00:56:41,800
It looked like a like a big slide and the

1059
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,599
camera was up on top. Because if you remember, he's

1060
00:56:44,599 --> 00:56:46,079
sitting there and he goes like this and the camera

1061
00:56:46,199 --> 00:56:49,320
zoom's in on him. It was the cool. It was

1062
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,000
very intimidating. I'm like, oh, we just went out there,

1063
00:56:53,199 --> 00:56:54,599
and they're all, you know, all you guys go there,

1064
00:56:54,639 --> 00:56:56,519
but you know, go over there and you know you

1065
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:58,840
you guys just walk And I didn't get in that scene.

1066
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:00,679
But the other one, me and the other guy, when

1067
00:57:00,679 --> 00:57:03,119
we're walking towards the screen, we didn't walk fast enough.

1068
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:05,679
He goes, you guys gotta walk fast, come on, come on.

1069
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:08,920
They took it like they took it like three times.

1070
00:57:09,039 --> 00:57:13,239
And as we were right before we shot, Richard Gear

1071
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:16,119
was in or not. Yeah, Richard Gear was sitting in

1072
00:57:16,239 --> 00:57:19,639
a camper like we were like a trailer, yeah, trailer,

1073
00:57:19,679 --> 00:57:23,079
you kidding? We were right here, and and Richard Gear's

1074
00:57:23,079 --> 00:57:28,880
camper was like right here, trailer. She always that's what

1075
00:57:29,239 --> 00:57:33,159
we're doing wrong, thank you. So the window, you know

1076
00:57:33,199 --> 00:57:35,760
what I feeling. So the window was like right, we

1077
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:37,719
were here. The window was right here. So I'm peering

1078
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,960
in there and they're blow drying his hair because it

1079
00:57:41,039 --> 00:57:43,000
was windy and it was you it was cold, little

1080
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:46,360
bit of flurries. And then I I went like this

1081
00:57:46,519 --> 00:57:48,440
to the guy that meet. We were walking, I'm like, man,

1082
00:57:48,599 --> 00:57:50,119
is this what it is to be a movie star?

1083
00:57:50,519 --> 00:57:53,440
And they blocked off like like the road and then

1084
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:56,440
there's other people there looking at us like and I'm like, yeah,

1085
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:57,840
is this what it is to be a movie star?

1086
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:00,599
It was like so hilarious. They said, don't talk to

1087
00:58:00,679 --> 00:58:04,119
the people. You don't talk to the actors until they

1088
00:58:04,199 --> 00:58:06,039
unless they talk to you. That's what they said. And

1089
00:58:06,079 --> 00:58:08,239
they said, this is their business, this is their job rule,

1090
00:58:08,639 --> 00:58:10,719
matter of fact, like don't mess with them. You know,

1091
00:58:11,119 --> 00:58:12,639
if they would have come up with us, and you know,

1092
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:14,760
said my guys. We could have said hi, but we

1093
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:16,239
couldn't say Hi, Hi, Richard.

1094
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 2: So were you carrying you wearing a long dark coat

1095
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:19,679
carrying briefcase?

1096
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 5: Yes, you see, I found you, Steve.

1097
00:58:23,519 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 1: I told you.

1098
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:27,559
Speaker 5: Now, Steve never tells you. The alternative ending that they

1099
00:58:27,639 --> 00:58:30,599
never showed is there's a bomb in that briefcase and

1100
00:58:30,679 --> 00:58:32,599
I throw it at them off man and I kill him.

1101
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,400
But he never wants to message mentioned that.

1102
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 2: I don't know what it's just off appeal. And just

1103
00:58:38,519 --> 00:58:40,119
after the characters.

1104
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:43,079
Speaker 1: Meet, I think he implied that he was Laura Lennie's

1105
00:58:43,119 --> 00:58:44,800
love interest, and I didn't buy it at all.

1106
00:58:46,679 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 5: Very she's sitting right here, she heard Okay, Okay, she's laughing.

1107
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:55,239
She would even spit in your direction.

1108
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:55,519
Speaker 2: Right.

1109
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 5: But it's fun me and it's even had fun about

1110
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:02,599
this every time.

1111
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 1: Oh wait, when when he's when he's on my ride,

1112
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,960
the hay ride, he brings up, Hey, Steve, did you

1113
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,079
know I was in the mark Man prophecies? Oh God,

1114
00:59:11,159 --> 00:59:11,519
here we go.

1115
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:14,079
Speaker 2: Who's the blonde woman walking with you?

1116
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 5: There was no blonde woman.

1117
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 2: Oh that's the wrong person.

1118
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 1: Then, now, okay, hes trying to stir things up, now,

1119
00:59:26,599 --> 00:59:27,119
just trying.

1120
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,239
Speaker 2: To find it. So it was just after the two

1121
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:29,960
characters meet.

1122
00:59:30,679 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then we're walking toward you.

1123
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:36,519
Speaker 1: Okay, you know I love the scenes between Alan Bates

1124
00:59:36,559 --> 00:59:39,360
and Richard Gears. Yes, my brain's not working.

1125
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:41,559
Speaker 2: I can't forgetting their bloody names. Yes, some of the

1126
00:59:41,639 --> 00:59:43,920
dialogue there, I think for me is a particularly personal

1127
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,119
the whole idea of them noticing and then notice that

1128
00:59:46,199 --> 00:59:47,840
he notices something that's really stayed with me.

1129
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 5: When I have a scrap book, actually two scrap books. Okay,

1130
00:59:53,119 --> 00:59:56,159
when when that movie came out, I for like, what

1131
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:59,519
is it, two months? I I checked, I bought every

1132
00:59:59,599 --> 01:00:02,119
news I mean really, I was buying all the newspaper

1133
01:00:02,199 --> 01:00:06,199
I was online. So almost it should be almost every

1134
01:00:06,239 --> 01:00:09,480
newspaper article about Mathman should should be in those two

1135
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,079
scrap books. And maybe maybe some day, Steve, you know,

1136
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,480
I get closer to death, I'm gonna donate tempt at

1137
01:00:16,519 --> 01:00:21,039
the museum and that'll be a nice it'll be a

1138
01:00:21,159 --> 01:00:21,679
really cool.

1139
01:00:22,119 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 1: Brian, just just hand it over to me and I'll

1140
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:29,800
make sure that the museum is okay. Yeah, but the scene,

1141
01:00:30,119 --> 01:00:32,519
especially in the library, what's supposed to be the library

1142
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,679
where you know Richard Gears me Richard Gear was really

1143
01:00:35,719 --> 01:00:38,440
good in this this film. He's at his wits end,

1144
01:00:38,519 --> 01:00:41,320
and he says to Alan Bates, who who has been

1145
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:44,199
through all this and has suffered all this, lost his family.

1146
01:00:44,599 --> 01:00:47,880
He says, didn't you need to know? And Alan Bates

1147
01:00:48,039 --> 01:00:51,440
places so well, he kind of there's the pause. He

1148
01:00:51,559 --> 01:00:54,039
cocks his head a little bit and he says, we're

1149
01:00:54,079 --> 01:00:57,960
not allowed to know, yes, and maybe we're not allowed

1150
01:00:58,000 --> 01:00:59,719
to know, but what the hell are we doing here?

1151
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 2: In way?

1152
01:01:01,119 --> 01:01:01,719
Speaker 1: Okay? I got it.

1153
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:05,079
Speaker 5: The one thing I did not like about it is

1154
01:01:05,159 --> 01:01:08,400
because going to the build up of it, they asked

1155
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:10,840
Mark Pellington and he says, I don't want to make

1156
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:14,119
a monster movie. I'm like, well, dude, this thing looked

1157
01:01:14,119 --> 01:01:15,960
like a freaking monster. You should have at least shown

1158
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:19,199
it now if when what's your name up? Is it

1159
01:01:19,559 --> 01:01:23,079
not Laura Lenny U? The other lady I forget her name?

1160
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 1: Oh oh yeah, they played his wife.

1161
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, So she's driving, you know, they're driving in

1162
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:36,000
that car. They show something real quick, come up to

1163
01:01:36,079 --> 01:01:37,719
the thing, and then they wreck and then you know,

1164
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:42,119
she has complications. She dies. Slow it down frame by

1165
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:46,880
frame and you'll see the outline what's supposed to be

1166
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:50,280
the moth man, even with what's his name U the

1167
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:53,239
scene at the plant where he drives and it looks

1168
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:55,199
like it's a moth but then it comes looks like

1169
01:01:55,239 --> 01:01:56,440
a shape in right.

1170
01:01:56,719 --> 01:01:57,719
Speaker 1: Yes, that's the.

1171
01:01:57,800 --> 01:01:59,719
Speaker 5: Only thing that they show. That would have been a

1172
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:02,360
lot scarier if they would have actually done a depiction

1173
01:02:02,519 --> 01:02:04,800
of what the mothman actually looked like. That was a

1174
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:08,920
hell of a lot scarier than anything that you know,

1175
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:12,039
or I don't want you to see the monster basically

1176
01:02:12,079 --> 01:02:14,920
is what he's saying. I want a psychological thriller. I'm like, well, dude,

1177
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:18,000
this thing looked like a damn monster that you should

1178
01:02:18,039 --> 01:02:20,599
have been if they would ever do. And we've talked

1179
01:02:20,639 --> 01:02:22,559
about it, like Steve too, we talked about it, like

1180
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:28,360
why don't they do a mini series based exactly.

1181
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 1: On the book? Yes, there's other material that would add

1182
01:02:36,559 --> 01:02:38,639
to that, add to the book. I mean the book

1183
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:41,440
is they cut out half of it when it was

1184
01:02:41,519 --> 01:02:44,719
published and left it on the cutting room floor, So

1185
01:02:45,079 --> 01:02:47,320
you know that like John Keel was, like I say,

1186
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:50,880
he was always complaining about the faceless editors messy with

1187
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:52,519
his manuscripts.

1188
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:53,719
Speaker 5: You know, I mean, it could have been fantastic, It

1189
01:02:53,719 --> 01:02:56,119
could have been because the book was I remember reading

1190
01:02:56,159 --> 01:02:58,199
the book. Huh, and you read it too. She was

1191
01:02:58,199 --> 01:03:00,920
scared out this she were because it's he couldn't read

1192
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:02,320
it at night. It was an intense book.

1193
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:02,679
Speaker 3: I thought.

1194
01:03:02,719 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 5: It was like, remember what did he say that how

1195
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:06,320
did the start up the Devil came to West Virginia?

1196
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:06,719
Speaker 2: Right y?

1197
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:11,519
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yeah, well that the chapter beislbeb visits West Virginia.

1198
01:03:11,599 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, yes, and it was just you know, it

1199
01:03:14,679 --> 01:03:19,760
wasn't Keel the Devil in that, yes, right, well, he

1200
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:23,320
he was uh uh you know, wearing clothes that uh,

1201
01:03:23,599 --> 01:03:25,519
I mean, he's he's down there and a gallop was

1202
01:03:25,599 --> 01:03:29,519
faery south of Point Pleasant where you know, what did

1203
01:03:29,519 --> 01:03:32,679
you say, strangers are suspect and strangers with beards or

1204
01:03:32,719 --> 01:03:33,599
even more suspect.

1205
01:03:33,719 --> 01:03:36,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, he's got the dark hat and he

1206
01:03:36,719 --> 01:03:38,440
looks like a man in black sort of yeah, and

1207
01:03:38,559 --> 01:03:41,440
he's freaking he's freaking people out, but he you know,

1208
01:03:41,599 --> 01:03:45,039
somebody asked him in an interview was that a literary device?

1209
01:03:45,119 --> 01:03:48,400
Because he uh, two of the people that he came

1210
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:52,039
to the door, he said, died on the bridge the

1211
01:03:52,119 --> 01:03:55,280
next uh yeah, And so they asked him, was that

1212
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:57,400
a literary device? And he said no. He said he

1213
01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:00,760
had gone back into that area and people were talking

1214
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:04,440
about these a couple that and I don't know who

1215
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:07,760
their names were, but that they had a strange visitor,

1216
01:04:08,239 --> 01:04:10,280
uh you know that they thought might have might have

1217
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:12,599
been the devil, which was him, and they died on

1218
01:04:12,679 --> 01:04:16,159
the bridge. So it was actually something that really happened.

1219
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:19,599
And so there's in one of the anthologies, there's uh

1220
01:04:20,159 --> 01:04:22,960
two or three interviews with him. One of them was

1221
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:27,440
from originally High Times magazine, but they're the The interviews

1222
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:31,719
are really interesting about uh, you know, he really gets

1223
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:35,719
into some fascinating stuff. But anyway, I do have a

1224
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:38,880
question for you, Brian. You've told the story before. There

1225
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:41,440
was I don't know the circumstances are where it was.

1226
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:44,119
You guys were going out to an area I think

1227
01:04:44,239 --> 01:04:48,719
where bigfoots had been seen or heard or whatever, and

1228
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:52,599
you encountered a strange light in the sky you want

1229
01:04:52,639 --> 01:04:54,599
to look for bigfoot and you saw a UFO.

1230
01:04:55,599 --> 01:04:58,119
Speaker 5: Yeah, that that we we've seen several things that we

1231
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:02,280
several we call UFOs. That one that you were talking

1232
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:05,239
about that was in uh, I was in West more

1233
01:05:05,239 --> 01:05:09,119
Than County, Gray Station. We were stationed right right below

1234
01:05:09,239 --> 01:05:13,079
railroad track and Terry was there, but she was back

1235
01:05:13,079 --> 01:05:15,000
at camp. It was me and Sean, my son Sean

1236
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:18,760
or son Sean, And so we look in the back

1237
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:23,800
and there's this light okay, and it was kind of

1238
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:27,239
like moving around, and three or four of us saw

1239
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:29,840
there was about six of us all along this. We're

1240
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:33,079
overlooking a field where these creatures were being seen. And

1241
01:05:33,519 --> 01:05:36,400
so I had a spotlight, so I did the old Hey,

1242
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:38,440
let's let's hit this thing with the spotlight. You know,

1243
01:05:38,519 --> 01:05:41,159
you've heard people do that with UFOs and they respond, well,

1244
01:05:42,239 --> 01:05:47,360
I hit it twice and then it disappeared, and then

1245
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:50,880
it reappeared over here, and then I hit it twice again.

1246
01:05:51,079 --> 01:05:54,199
Then it disappeared but didn't come back, and we it

1247
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:56,320
was like some a little bit. There was a little

1248
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:59,519
bit of clouds. It wasn't like all clouds. So we're like, okay,

1249
01:05:59,599 --> 01:06:02,000
did did we really see this? Did it? You know?

1250
01:06:02,119 --> 01:06:03,880
Did the clouds make it seem like it was from here?

1251
01:06:04,199 --> 01:06:06,199
We we sat there and watched it for another twenty

1252
01:06:06,239 --> 01:06:10,840
minutes and there was nothing so that that we thought

1253
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:12,199
that was that was pretty interesting.

1254
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, now now that area it was was an

1255
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,599
area that had a reputation of bigfoot signings.

1256
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 5: Bigfoot sighting. Yeah, yeah, no, I don't that, I think

1257
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:22,159
in the eighties and I don't know. I don't really

1258
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:24,480
follow West more Than County anymore because it's you know,

1259
01:06:24,559 --> 01:06:26,800
we just don't go go up there. But at the time,

1260
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:29,599
there was a lot of uh because people were saying,

1261
01:06:29,679 --> 01:06:33,119
okay that the trains would hit a deer, who would

1262
01:06:33,199 --> 01:06:35,840
hit deer, and there was allegedly a lot of deer

1263
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:38,199
deer kills there, and they would say, oh, the bigfoot

1264
01:06:38,199 --> 01:06:40,280
come in and grab the deer, you know, the uh right,

1265
01:06:40,599 --> 01:06:44,039
deer carcasses and they eat you know. And there's been

1266
01:06:44,119 --> 01:06:47,559
several other researchers that say, yeah, uh, in certain areas

1267
01:06:47,559 --> 01:06:50,559
where bigfoot has been spotted, you don't see road kill,

1268
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:53,840
I mean, or you might see something late on side

1269
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:56,679
of the road, but then you know very shortly after

1270
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:58,920
that that's going on now again. Animals can do that, right,

1271
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:02,719
you know, coyotes, things like that. But sometimes some of

1272
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:04,480
these were you know, the bigger deer and stuff like that,

1273
01:07:04,599 --> 01:07:07,679
they're just gone again, you know, is Bigfoot doing that?

1274
01:07:08,199 --> 01:07:10,639
Can't say one hundred percent, but yeah.

1275
01:07:11,519 --> 01:07:13,159
Speaker 1: Well not a bad deal. You go out to find

1276
01:07:13,199 --> 01:07:17,239
a big foot and you see a unexplained lightnus guy.

1277
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:20,199
Speaker 5: Yeah, we had that happen. What twice we had it

1278
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:25,239
happened that uh what was it called Livermore. We were

1279
01:07:27,079 --> 01:07:28,840
we were all you know, it wasn't really total a

1280
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:32,239
total bigfoot thing either, but we were with Patricia. So

1281
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:38,920
that that's on a Paranormal Life the Lost Tapes and

1282
01:07:39,119 --> 01:07:42,679
the episode ironically Steve is called the s Files. I mean,

1283
01:07:42,719 --> 01:07:45,400
so we're down in our basement. Yeah, this is how

1284
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:48,079
long ago? This was what about eleven years ago? So

1285
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:52,719
we were we were investigating there and there's the pen

1286
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:55,840
here Atage Trail and Patricia and I and a couple

1287
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:59,800
other ones had went it went down further from where

1288
01:08:00,199 --> 01:08:05,760
Terry thenmore and we see this light. It's coming towards us.

1289
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:09,559
It was white and it was kind of kind of

1290
01:08:09,599 --> 01:08:12,199
looked like it was bouncing, almost like a u Someone

1291
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:15,559
was on the railroad walking with one of the lanterns

1292
01:08:16,119 --> 01:08:19,359
and it's on there. But you really can't see the light,

1293
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:21,239
which is the weirdest thing. You could see it with

1294
01:08:21,359 --> 01:08:26,079
your eyes. But if you I'll call them back, that's

1295
01:08:26,159 --> 01:08:31,279
my you like my ringtone? Indiana Jonas, Oh, yeah, that's actually,

1296
01:08:31,399 --> 01:08:39,920
Dave Rupert, Steve so might you you could not see

1297
01:08:40,279 --> 01:08:43,359
the light with the camera. Soon as you put the

1298
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:45,880
camera down, you saw it with your eyes. Weirdest freaking thing.

1299
01:08:46,159 --> 01:08:49,319
Weirdest freaking thing they had. So again, what was it?

1300
01:08:51,239 --> 01:08:55,279
Speaker 2: Well, it's definitely an association with this strange light phenomena first,

1301
01:08:55,279 --> 01:08:57,800
and then other things that car afters or in conjunction

1302
01:08:57,880 --> 01:08:58,039
with it.

1303
01:08:58,079 --> 01:09:02,640
Speaker 5: Absolutely, yeah, especially your phenomena which we researched also, and uh,

1304
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:06,239
the or In the last probably last eight to ten years,

1305
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:11,520
people have been been seeing these orbs we call them

1306
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:14,840
light spheres or orbs whatever whatever your term, Okay, in

1307
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:18,840
conjunction within an area of big foot sighting, sometimes preceding

1308
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:21,479
a big foot sighting, sometimes after a big foot sighting.

1309
01:09:22,399 --> 01:09:25,760
Are they connected or they just too phenomena that occasionally

1310
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:28,520
pass or interact. But people are talking about it, and

1311
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:31,760
it was very taboo to talk about it after you know,

1312
01:09:32,079 --> 01:09:35,319
it's probably been about ten years before that was wasn't

1313
01:09:35,319 --> 01:09:37,439
talked about that one. Now more and more you.

1314
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:39,800
Speaker 3: See that with pucklogy sightings as well.

1315
01:09:40,359 --> 01:09:44,640
Speaker 4: And here we call them type wonkas because the Wampanog

1316
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:47,279
tribe had a ord for them before we were even

1317
01:09:47,319 --> 01:09:47,760
here at.

1318
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:48,840
Speaker 3: The tow's happening.

1319
01:09:49,119 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 5: That's interesting. I never knew that. Thanks for that's that's cool.

1320
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:52,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, so.

1321
01:09:56,159 --> 01:09:57,640
Speaker 2: It's little close to an English swell.

1322
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:02,199
Speaker 3: I have to just said, really we can chat afterwards and.

1323
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:06,319
Speaker 2: To an A and you've got the word, you know,

1324
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:09,439
a w A and the rest of the.

1325
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:13,720
Speaker 1: What do you what do you have taken her name

1326
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:15,439
for your research group for?

1327
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 5: Like, oh, yeah, we called that. We call it l

1328
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:24,920
A E, which we stands for light Anomaly Exploration. And unfortunately, Steve,

1329
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:27,279
we tried when we were down there with the igloo.

1330
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:30,600
We tried to use that inside of the igloo and

1331
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:34,840
the the chip malfunction, the uh, the ship, the what

1332
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:35,279
do you call it?

1333
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:39,520
Speaker 1: He's talking about the igloos and the or or bunkers

1334
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:41,319
in the T and T area where they used to

1335
01:10:41,399 --> 01:10:44,119
store explosives for World War two.

1336
01:10:44,279 --> 01:10:46,319
Speaker 5: And we wanted to do our which Steve, you know,

1337
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:49,560
we have to get it back back working again, but

1338
01:10:50,279 --> 01:10:51,760
we still would like to come down to some time

1339
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:54,319
and do that. Now. The funny story when we were

1340
01:10:54,399 --> 01:10:58,760
down there, I went and I tried the I went

1341
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:01,079
back to the car to try to get the battery,

1342
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:03,680
and I'm walking down the trail and I look and

1343
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:06,960
I see two red two red, which I thought were

1344
01:11:07,039 --> 01:11:11,359
eyes in the woods. And I said, I told Steve,

1345
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:14,600
I says, I said, out loud, you gotta be kidding me.

1346
01:11:15,319 --> 01:11:18,720
I'm looking. I'm I'm standing still because this was what

1347
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:21,600
Steve about ten thirty eleven, I think something like that.

1348
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:26,640
And there were two well weren't eyes. So I'm like

1349
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:30,520
I moved, they stayed still. I'm like, I moved this way.

1350
01:11:31,399 --> 01:11:34,079
I'm like, so, I'm like this this doesn't sound so

1351
01:11:34,159 --> 01:11:36,760
I'm walking closer to it. Someone had put two red

1352
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:41,399
reflectors inside of the woods on the trail that you

1353
01:11:41,479 --> 01:11:44,880
could see when the about eye level. And I'm like, shit,

1354
01:11:45,119 --> 01:11:47,399
I mean, I'm telling you. When I saw that, i'd

1355
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:49,520
like said out loud, you gotta be kidding me.

1356
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:52,039
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's the movement.

1357
01:11:52,199 --> 01:11:53,800
Speaker 5: I mean, that's the first thing you think because you're

1358
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:57,680
out in Offman territory. And I took a picture of that.

1359
01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:00,800
Isn't that picture which you showed me when we went

1360
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:02,039
we bantered back and forth.

1361
01:12:02,119 --> 01:12:04,039
Speaker 1: No, No, that's something else I found online. I don't

1362
01:12:04,039 --> 01:12:04,720
know where that comes.

1363
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:06,680
Speaker 5: From, Okay, because I have a picture of it, I'm like,

1364
01:12:07,319 --> 01:12:09,920
I'm like, I put this scared that, you know what out?

1365
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:12,920
I mean, everybody's laughing at me, Like if you were there,

1366
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:16,159
you know, because it is a creepy place. I don't know, Susie,

1367
01:12:16,159 --> 01:12:19,199
if you've been there nope yet. Maybe Steve can take

1368
01:12:19,239 --> 01:12:21,079
you there next time you come down. But or Andy,

1369
01:12:21,119 --> 01:12:24,239
you probably haven't been there. But it is a creepy place, huh, Steve,

1370
01:12:24,279 --> 01:12:25,199
because you got to walk back.

1371
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:28,039
Speaker 1: It's creepy in the daytime, super creepy at night.

1372
01:12:28,399 --> 01:12:30,520
Speaker 5: And we heard coyotes. Remember we got a little leary

1373
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:32,840
about coyote. Sounded like they were coming real close, a

1374
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:33,640
pack of them.

1375
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:36,359
Speaker 1: Right, And I've never I never heard them out there

1376
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:36,720
like that.

1377
01:12:37,039 --> 01:12:38,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, they were close too. They were like there was

1378
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:41,279
that little pond area. It seemed like they were on

1379
01:12:41,319 --> 01:12:41,960
the other side.

1380
01:12:42,039 --> 01:12:50,479
Speaker 1: But that was bizarre. So uh, now the upcoming UH conferences,

1381
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:52,239
are there any do you know if any of the

1382
01:12:52,279 --> 01:12:54,720
speakers that are there any names that well?

1383
01:12:55,279 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 5: For Dan's uh, we've got Kevin Paul, the Psychic Vincent's sisters.

1384
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:01,319
I don't know if you were there last time when

1385
01:13:01,319 --> 01:13:02,399
they did the gallery reading.

1386
01:13:03,159 --> 01:13:05,359
Speaker 1: I think I remember them, but I don't.

1387
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:07,119
Speaker 5: I don't know James Crugg. I think you were there

1388
01:13:07,159 --> 01:13:08,560
when James Krugg was there.

1389
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:10,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, and then that's it.

1390
01:13:10,359 --> 01:13:11,880
Speaker 5: That's the only three that I know of, now.

1391
01:13:12,199 --> 01:13:15,920
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, all right. Anyway, Butler is a it's a

1392
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:18,840
great conference. It's it's still what fifteen dollars or something

1393
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:19,079
like that.

1394
01:13:19,279 --> 01:13:21,119
Speaker 5: I think it's twenty now twenty.

1395
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:25,640
Speaker 1: Okay, that's still. That's a great price all day. Always

1396
01:13:26,199 --> 01:13:28,880
he always gets a variety of speakers, you know, it's

1397
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:31,560
not all the same thing. And uh, you know there's

1398
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:33,399
there's food there that's available.

1399
01:13:33,479 --> 01:13:36,239
Speaker 5: And the raffles. Steve just comes for the raffles. That's

1400
01:13:36,279 --> 01:13:36,680
all you say.

1401
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:38,720
Speaker 1: I won one time I want something.

1402
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:42,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, we have more raffles for conference, I think than

1403
01:13:42,399 --> 01:13:45,359
anybody I know, right right, I mean, yeah.

1404
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:47,840
Speaker 1: Come for the raffle. Forget about the cryptids.

1405
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:50,399
Speaker 5: Forget about the cryptids and the ghosts and whatever else

1406
01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:51,119
we're talking about.

1407
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:54,039
Speaker 1: Now, you're you're reading that doctor or you have read

1408
01:13:54,119 --> 01:13:55,560
doctor Simeon Hines book.

1409
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:59,119
Speaker 5: Yes, Mark Matter Monster, excellent reading that.

1410
01:13:59,199 --> 01:14:02,319
Speaker 1: Now I've got to I mean it's hard. There's a

1411
01:14:02,359 --> 01:14:05,560
lot of interesting concepts there, yes, and I've got to

1412
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:08,119
read it again. What are the books any other books

1413
01:14:08,119 --> 01:14:11,640
you can recommend it you've read fairly recently this past

1414
01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:13,279
year that stand out for you.

1415
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:16,600
Speaker 5: I read this segment's book The Pale Moonlight. Oh yeah,

1416
01:14:17,159 --> 01:14:22,159
I'm reading one of Jeff talking to loan Me Ohio Monsters. Okay,

1417
01:14:22,399 --> 01:14:25,000
there's a couple of really cool stories I never knew

1418
01:14:25,039 --> 01:14:28,800
at about possible prehistoric creatures and things that really really interesting.

1419
01:14:29,079 --> 01:14:32,279
Speaker 1: I did not know this. Yeah, And Linda Segmund was

1420
01:14:32,359 --> 01:14:35,479
just for just a second. She was sixteen years old

1421
01:14:36,039 --> 01:14:40,359
in April of sixty seven, and she and her boyfriend

1422
01:14:40,399 --> 01:14:43,479
were about ten miles north of Point Pleasant, sitting on

1423
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:46,720
the hood of the car. And to really condense it,

1424
01:14:47,119 --> 01:14:49,520
they saw some kind of a strange light, and then

1425
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:51,960
they saw another one. He decided, let's get the hell

1426
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:54,239
out of here. But she's looking out the window and

1427
01:14:54,319 --> 01:14:56,760
she sees some kind of a wing creature following this

1428
01:14:56,920 --> 01:15:01,000
light or flying next to the light, and then and

1429
01:15:01,119 --> 01:15:05,479
then they had missing time. There's an another situation where

1430
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:09,640
a town official had went into a trance mentioned in

1431
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:12,439
the Mockmann prophecies, and he lost ten or fifteen minutes.

1432
01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:14,680
He was out on his front porch saw this thing there.

1433
01:15:15,039 --> 01:15:18,399
So missing time has been associated with this thing. And

1434
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:23,039
then early December of sixty seven, just a couple of

1435
01:15:23,039 --> 01:15:26,039
weeks before the bridge collapsed, she's down in downtown Point

1436
01:15:26,119 --> 01:15:30,600
Pleasant and she sees this. You know, they were seeing

1437
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:34,920
these men in black around, but they just thought they

1438
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:38,000
were government people. So she sees these guys. They've got

1439
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:42,600
you know, the classic black suit, black fedora, dark sunglasses,

1440
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:45,359
and she passes by one of them and she said

1441
01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:48,520
the skin looked kind of grayish. She was just really weird.

1442
01:15:49,039 --> 01:15:50,920
And she came out and saw another one leaning up

1443
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:53,640
against the lamp post, and she just assumed it was

1444
01:15:54,159 --> 01:15:57,359
government or whatever. But years later, when the Mockmann prophecies

1445
01:15:57,399 --> 01:16:00,359
came out, she thought, my god, these are classic men black.

1446
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:04,680
So she's a very credible lady, and she's been on

1447
01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:05,359
the show before.

1448
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:08,720
Speaker 5: Go ahead, Brian, Yeah, those are two of the most

1449
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:11,600
recent books. Now, Terry will tell you, I'm not the

1450
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:14,079
kind that I read a book from front to cover,

1451
01:16:14,399 --> 01:16:16,119
you know, you know, or to cover to the end.

1452
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:18,439
I'll get a book and I'll read one or two

1453
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:20,720
chapters they and rite another book.

1454
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:27,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm reading Jacques Blaise, volume six of his Forbidden Science.

1455
01:16:27,159 --> 01:16:31,319
You know, he did his his journals, his memoirs, and

1456
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:35,119
so the first one in the sixties, seventies, eighties, nineties,

1457
01:16:35,399 --> 01:16:39,039
and then twenty you know, up to twenty ten, and

1458
01:16:39,199 --> 01:16:43,159
so this fascinating stuff. So I'm going through that. I

1459
01:16:44,079 --> 01:16:46,359
usually read when I'm at a restaurant, you know, I

1460
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:50,359
you know, if I'm distracted about stuff in the house,

1461
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:53,880
if I go to a restaurant, I've got my book.

1462
01:16:54,039 --> 01:16:56,239
I can I can go to Tudor's Biscuit World and

1463
01:16:56,319 --> 01:16:58,520
they don't throw you out. You can have endless cups

1464
01:16:58,520 --> 01:17:02,680
of coffee and they yeah, they know I'm the Mothman guy,

1465
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:04,560
and they see me with my nose in a book

1466
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:05,319
all the time. There.

1467
01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:08,239
Speaker 5: So, so Steve the one book I think I want

1468
01:17:08,279 --> 01:17:10,159
to go back and reread his. I mean, I tend

1469
01:17:10,199 --> 01:17:12,560
to tag you every time. This is Sky Creatures by

1470
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:13,840
Trevor James cons Oh.

1471
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:17,399
Speaker 1: My god, Yes, well it's the original one. Was they

1472
01:17:17,479 --> 01:17:21,039
Live in the Sky? Oh and that was U and

1473
01:17:21,159 --> 01:17:23,960
that was back when he was actually Uh now, Andy,

1474
01:17:24,039 --> 01:17:27,960
what was there was a book you read that? Uh? God?

1475
01:17:28,079 --> 01:17:29,640
Was it Andrews Common Andrews or.

1476
01:17:31,119 --> 01:17:34,359
Speaker 2: Yes? The Light there was The Lights Bearers. Yes, that's

1477
01:17:34,399 --> 01:17:35,439
basically the same kind of thing.

1478
01:17:37,159 --> 01:17:40,359
Speaker 1: Remember, the print is so incredibly small in that book.

1479
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:43,399
I wish they'd blow it up because even with with

1480
01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:46,359
my specs, it's hard to see. But he covers uh,

1481
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:50,439
Wilhelm Reich and cover James Constable, fascinating stuff.

1482
01:17:51,319 --> 01:17:53,279
Speaker 2: There was Circle Makers, which is the early one on

1483
01:17:53,359 --> 01:17:56,199
the topic, and there's light Bearers. I think It's cool,

1484
01:17:56,199 --> 01:17:59,279
which is a more in depth examination of the of

1485
01:17:59,399 --> 01:18:02,199
the phenomenon. He wrote later on. Yes, it's something that

1486
01:18:02,199 --> 01:18:03,239
he's a lot about.

1487
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:05,399
Speaker 5: Susie, do we have a Puckwadgi book coming?

1488
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:12,039
Speaker 4: Oh, we have a couple of books coming. I'm actively

1489
01:18:12,159 --> 01:18:16,319
working on the Puckwadji book. But then I also got

1490
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:22,920
I was voluntold. I'm going to call it to write

1491
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:28,960
a book about indigenous stonework in southeast New England, and

1492
01:18:29,079 --> 01:18:34,960
that is obviously nonfiction and heavily Uh it's a very

1493
01:18:35,079 --> 01:18:40,279
intense research project. So the Puckuagie book is also research.

1494
01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:45,279
But that is kind of what I'm working on in

1495
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:48,239
between when I need a break from the super heavy stuff.

1496
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:53,199
Speaker 5: So are you gonna have drawings in there? I am.

1497
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:55,239
Speaker 3: There are a.

1498
01:18:55,319 --> 01:18:59,119
Speaker 4: Couple of people that I actually want to ask to

1499
01:18:59,239 --> 01:19:06,880
do some drawing, specifically for me. So I'm not promising

1500
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:10,319
anything soon, but I do well, I'm going to commit

1501
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:12,880
to having both of these books done by the time

1502
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:13,479
I'm eighty.

1503
01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 5: You got a little time on that, right.

1504
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 1: I would say the same thing, but it gives me

1505
01:19:21,039 --> 01:19:25,000
about eight years, so I don't know that's the same thing.

1506
01:19:25,039 --> 01:19:26,079
Speaker 5: It will give me twenty years.

1507
01:19:26,279 --> 01:19:28,800
Speaker 1: That's a lot of pressure. Although I do have part

1508
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:31,920
of it written, I just haven't written much lately. But

1509
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:34,319
I just don't have the maguffin. I don't have the

1510
01:19:34,399 --> 01:19:36,239
thing that's gonna pull it all together.

1511
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:36,640
Speaker 2: You know.

1512
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:41,600
Speaker 4: I've got like, yeah, I've got like a mad scientist

1513
01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:44,720
layer over here with books and notes and my lap

1514
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:48,920
I have two different laptops and a tablet and yeah,

1515
01:19:49,159 --> 01:19:50,560
so I have stuff written.

1516
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:52,159
Speaker 3: It's just not all in one place yet.

1517
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:55,680
Speaker 5: You know, I gotta get you down the Butler. That

1518
01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:56,840
would be yeah.

1519
01:19:57,319 --> 01:20:01,199
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I've been trying to get to the Mothman Festival,

1520
01:20:01,279 --> 01:20:03,920
but you know, I've got Jeff's ear. But you know,

1521
01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:06,039
I don't know what what's going on. I mentioned I

1522
01:20:06,119 --> 01:20:07,800
mentioned to you again recently as soon.

1523
01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:09,039
Speaker 5: As you so you should do that.

1524
01:20:09,199 --> 01:20:11,279
Speaker 3: We should just move it up here and then I'll

1525
01:20:11,359 --> 01:20:14,039
do it it's very far away from me.

1526
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:15,880
Speaker 5: I was the festival.

1527
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:19,720
Speaker 1: Oh, it was fun. It was excellent. Jeff had a

1528
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:21,560
really good crowd day. This is the first year they

1529
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:25,439
did two days, okay, Saturday and Sunday, and Jeff was

1530
01:20:25,479 --> 01:20:28,680
on the second day and we drove up there on

1531
01:20:29,039 --> 01:20:32,520
Sunday with his son in law Dusty Okay, and uh

1532
01:20:33,079 --> 01:20:34,079
it's always well attended.

1533
01:20:34,159 --> 01:20:34,399
Speaker 2: It was.

1534
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:37,960
Speaker 1: I I was happy for Jeff Craig because you know,

1535
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:39,600
you never never know how the second day is going

1536
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:43,079
to go. Ye was very very well crowded, and and

1537
01:20:43,199 --> 01:20:45,720
Jeff had a great turnout for his Uh I.

1538
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:49,720
Speaker 5: Saw that, Yeah, I remarked, I'm like, wow, what a crowd.

1539
01:20:50,079 --> 01:20:50,720
Speaker 2: Yeah that was.

1540
01:20:51,399 --> 01:20:54,079
Speaker 1: That was really good. So uh and you know you've

1541
01:20:54,119 --> 01:20:57,359
got get all these people parading around in frogman costumes

1542
01:20:57,399 --> 01:21:02,079
and uh so I'll have to have to send send

1543
01:21:02,119 --> 01:21:03,840
you some pictures Andy. Yeah.

1544
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:10,159
Speaker 2: So I'm saying, I'm thinking of scuba divers, a bunch

1545
01:21:10,159 --> 01:21:12,680
of scuba dives in my head. I'm always very envious

1546
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:15,479
to you guys. We get very few conferences like that over.

1547
01:21:15,319 --> 01:21:16,880
Speaker 5: Here, you know, and so we get too many.

1548
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:22,359
Speaker 4: They have hall down there if so, it's Old England

1549
01:21:22,439 --> 01:21:25,039
and New England. I mean, we have a couple in

1550
01:21:25,159 --> 01:21:29,079
New England, but they're not like the ones those guys

1551
01:21:29,159 --> 01:21:29,720
have down there.

1552
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:32,600
Speaker 2: You have most Witchcraft and cot conferences over here that

1553
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:34,520
we got the Exeter.

1554
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:39,920
Speaker 4: There's Exeter and then they had one in Connecticut for

1555
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:41,279
the first time last year.

1556
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:44,319
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'll ever go to Exeter again.

1557
01:21:44,399 --> 01:21:48,279
That's a long haul man. Yeah, and it's expensive because

1558
01:21:48,319 --> 01:21:51,760
the motels it was it's around uh Labor Day, but

1559
01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:54,439
and the prices haven't come down so well, you really

1560
01:21:54,439 --> 01:21:55,000
get nailed.

1561
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:58,960
Speaker 4: Is that the time you had I hop and it

1562
01:21:59,199 --> 01:22:01,319
was so expensive you've been complaining about it.

1563
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:05,920
Speaker 1: Yes, Well, I went went with Macloney's Military X files

1564
01:22:06,279 --> 01:22:09,159
we uh last year. They didn't invite us, but a

1565
01:22:09,199 --> 01:22:11,640
couple of years, a couple of years before that, we

1566
01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:14,159
would do like a panel thing where there be three

1567
01:22:14,199 --> 01:22:16,840
of us at a table there. But I went out

1568
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:19,359
for I Hop in the morning and I just about

1569
01:22:19,399 --> 01:22:22,680
had to re mortgage my house to afford it. That

1570
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:25,760
the New England prices I hop in this part of

1571
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:27,479
the country isn't quite so bad. I went to I

1572
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:31,239
hop in Iowa last was it last year? For the

1573
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:36,279
Van Meter Visitor Festival and uh, the prices were drastically reduced.

1574
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 2: So as another American US, what's I holp.

1575
01:22:43,039 --> 01:22:44,319
Speaker 3: Of pancakes.

1576
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:48,399
Speaker 5: Or for Yeah?

1577
01:22:50,319 --> 01:22:52,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'll tell you what my charge card was

1578
01:22:52,039 --> 01:22:58,359
smoking afterwards. Well, uh, any other questions for Brian and

1579
01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:00,880
anything Brian, anything else you want to say before we

1580
01:23:01,279 --> 01:23:01,800
close it up?

1581
01:23:03,279 --> 01:23:06,359
Speaker 5: No, I mean if if you live in pa Ohio,

1582
01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:09,600
West Virginia, have you've seen anything, just you know, contact

1583
01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:13,399
us center for you can. We have two Facebook pages,

1584
01:23:14,439 --> 01:23:18,199
Center for Cryptozoological Studies and Center for Unexplained Events. You

1585
01:23:18,239 --> 01:23:22,079
could message us there or our email is Center for

1586
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:27,039
Crypto Studies at gmail dot com. Yeah, that's what it is.

1587
01:23:28,239 --> 01:23:31,640
Speaker 1: And again, what's the date for Butler twenty fifth?

1588
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:37,319
Speaker 5: Right April twenty fifth? Pretty sure? Saturday? Last Saturday, which

1589
01:23:37,319 --> 01:23:40,520
I think is a twenty fifth okay, And well I'll

1590
01:23:41,039 --> 01:23:42,920
send you shoot you message before that just to make

1591
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:44,520
sure you're coming and what day you're.

1592
01:23:44,359 --> 01:23:46,960
Speaker 1: Coming in Okay. And it's at the tangle with Center

1593
01:23:47,119 --> 01:23:50,720
Technical and Lindora right next to Yes, right next to Butler.

1594
01:23:51,399 --> 01:23:54,119
And uh, it's like I say, it's a great BRANDU

1595
01:23:54,399 --> 01:23:57,840
wor worth going to. It's it's it's affordable, very affordable.

1596
01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:01,319
And uh and the the next conference, you've got one

1597
01:24:01,359 --> 01:24:02,840
at the end of the very end of the month

1598
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:04,800
or no, mid mid months.

1599
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:08,399
Speaker 5: Well, the other conference is the pen Ohio conference, and

1600
01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:14,720
that's in uh I forget brook brook Field, Ohio. Okay,

1601
01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:16,119
Ohio conference.

1602
01:24:16,159 --> 01:24:18,119
Speaker 1: Okay, they can they can google it and find it. Okay,

1603
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:21,560
very good. Well, heck it sounds good. I uh so

1604
01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:24,239
if you guys agreed agree to feed me, I'll definitely

1605
01:24:24,279 --> 01:24:28,079
be okay, very good.

1606
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:30,520
Speaker 5: She's a good cook. She's a really good I know,

1607
01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:30,840
I know.

1608
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:35,920
Speaker 1: Hey, I'm not complaining. Uh, Susie and any other closing

1609
01:24:36,159 --> 01:24:37,520
comments or remarks.

1610
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:39,279
Speaker 2: It's been in good shouts, they've enjoyed.

1611
01:24:39,399 --> 01:24:40,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's been fun. It's been fun.

1612
01:24:41,039 --> 01:24:41,239
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1613
01:24:41,279 --> 01:24:43,479
Speaker 5: I like to talk with people who've been in it

1614
01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:47,000
a long time, and you know, looking.

1615
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:47,760
Speaker 2: Now for next year.

1616
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:52,600
Speaker 1: Yes, wait, we might even have you, you know, before

1617
01:24:53,079 --> 01:24:54,239
the seventh anniversary.

1618
01:24:54,960 --> 01:24:57,960
Speaker 5: There you go. Well, yeah, I mean, you know, we're

1619
01:24:58,000 --> 01:24:58,680
home at night, so.

1620
01:24:59,359 --> 01:25:03,800
Speaker 1: It pays the same. So yeah, all right, well let's

1621
01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:07,600
let's close her down, close down these sixams.

1622
01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:09,680
Speaker 5: We'll see. Thank you thanks for having me on. I

1623
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:12,680
had a time, okay, all right, take care.

1624
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:17,479
Speaker 1: All right, thanks thanks Brian. All right. The High Strangers

1625
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:20,239
Factor was created by Steve Ward and Andy Mercer and

1626
01:25:20,359 --> 01:25:23,680
his copyright on the Paranormal UK Radio network. I want

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to thank our fearless leaders here at the network, Ire

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and Alan block, Mark Johnson and Andy Mercer, also Andy

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as co host and producer of The High Strangers Factor,

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and Susie Bastile for providing streamlink streamlink right streamyer ah, okay,

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good good thing. I haven on Budsman here. You can

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hear all of us from time to time on Macloney's

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Military X Files on this same network. And I am

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Steve Ward. You're a humble host here on The High

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Strangers Factor. I've just placed Michigander deep in the Ohio Valley,

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inches from downtown Point Pleasant and living on the same

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road as the Garuda chased cars out of the teams

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area where the months Man was first scene. Thank you

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all for listening. We will see you all again in

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a fortnight or when the next show emerges. Take care,