Speaker 1: Welcome to this edition of The High Strangest Factor, copyrighted
on the Paranormal UK Radio Network. I'm your host, Steve Board,
along with Andy Mercer and Susie Bastiel. On The High
Strangeness Factor, we explore all aspects of the paranormal and unexplained,
with an emphasis on the patterns and parallels that emerge
between UFOs, cryptids and psychic phenomena. And this is the
sixth anniversary of The High Strangeness Factor that Andy and
I started when back when we were young men, back
back in the old days, you know, radiod and strangely enough, uh.
And now the addition we have Susie Basstial with us
this time.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: If you weren't with us for the last anniversary show, Susie.
Speaker 3: Not for the anniversary show.
Speaker 4: I think I did my uh pakwag interview episode maybe
shortly before that.
Speaker 3: I think it was.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's been about a year because you were on
on the first time. Okay, joined us. Well, we're being
joined again by Brian Seech And maybe I should actually
do a h An introduction here. He Brian was with
us for that first show, and let's let's do a
fancy introduction here. We don't know if Brian has patted
this or not, but we're just gonna run with it.
Brian Siege is a researcher and investigator of the unexplained
and founder of two research groups, Center for Unexplained Events
q c u E and Center for Cryptosological Studies CCS.
Brian has appeared on Monsters and Mysteries in America, on
Destination America, a national cable channel, was an extra in
the Mothband Prophecies I've Heard That Before, movies filmed in Pittsburgh,
and most recently has been on Small Town Monsters series, Subsquatch, Unearthed,
The Ridge, and Mountain State Monsters. He has also appeared
on various Internet radio shows and podcasts. Brian also appears
in the new YouTube series of Paranormal Life, The Lost Tapes.
Brian is a member of the Butler Organization on Research
of the Unexplained bo RU. Brian co wrote articles for
the Creature Chronicles column in the Hancock County Courier in
West Virginia from August through November twenty thirteen. Brian was
also a co instructor for the first ever cryptozoologic Cryptozoology
class at Eastern Gate College in Steubenville, Ohio. If you
have had an encounter or signing in Pennsylvania, Ohio, or
West Virginia, please contact Brian at Center for Cryptostudies at
gmail dot com. Center for Crypto Studies All one Word
at gmail dot com. Brian, Welcome back to the High
Strangious Factor to our sixth anniversary.
Speaker 5: Hello, thanks for having me. It's good to see all
you guys, and yes.
Speaker 2: See you again.
Speaker 1: So now you and Terry.
Speaker 3: Are that.
Speaker 1: Terry is his better half, by the way, and she's
much better looking.
Speaker 5: She runs everything. Steve, I just kind of hang out.
Speaker 1: Well, you guys are are busy all year doing excursions,
having conferences and so forth, and doing investigations. Can you
give us just kind of give us an idea what's
been going on this past year or at least partly.
Speaker 5: Yes, Well, we we've lived down here. We live it's
a town called weird in West Virginia. So we live
outside of Weirdon and it's in Hancock County, which is
the smallest county in West Virginia. Actually, Steve, we hold
that distinction. Okay, So we've been doing some hikes and
some investigations with our friends Jeffrey Talkington and Scott Swanson,
who you know, they are Mothman regulars, and we're always
trying to keep busy with, you know, getting new reports.
We're waiting on one for the end of well, end
of this month, and this particular one, it's kind of weird.
Weird one it I asked, they drew what they saw? Okay,
this is and this is in Beaver County, which Beaver
County is It's in Pennsylvania where that's where my wife
and I grew up. And it's it's butted right up
against Hancock County. So there's there's been five eyewitness sightings
of I don't even know what to call. They're calling
on a wind to go. At first, I thought it
was a big foot because they they had they have
a drawing of it. But it's like an all. It's
it's black and it's got red eyes, Steve, just like
the red eyes right right behind you. Okay, but no wings,
So it's not Mothman. So don't get excited. I know
you love your mouth man, right, but.
Speaker 1: With that even string.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So again, that's that's one of the actually five
eyewitnesses to it, one of the ladies who we who
contacted us first, actually moved after seeing this creature. It's funny,
she just moved right next door. Now her new neighbor
has seen this thing.
Speaker 1: It's interesting because where they did they all see it
at the same time as a group.
Speaker 5: No, no, I'm thinking at different times, you know. The
one lady saw it before she moved, and then and
then she moved, and the people moved next door and
they even saw it. So again, it's in Beaver County
where we grew up. So it's something that's we're looking
forward to meeting with the eyewitnesses, hopefully all five of
them actually, and hopefully they'll let us on our on
our properties that we can do do an investigation. I
think the last time they might have seen it was, oh,
maybe like in October of twenty four, which would be yeah,
be last year or so.
Speaker 1: By the way, uh, Brian and his wife Terry have
this great little house. It looks like a little cottage really,
and you're you're right on the edge of a river
down in the holler, and it looks kind of like
a picture postcard. I mean, it's just an ideal place there,
you know, as long as the creek doesn't overflow. You're good.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll tell you what it did. The first first
year we were here, he did flood the back end
of the property. Luckily it didn't come close to the house.
But it was kind of like we were up at
the Albatwitch Festival speaking and I guess our neighbors said
it was weird. It was the weirdest thing. This cloud
just came and it stayed over your house and it
did not move, and it just poured and the creek
went over its edges in the back end of our property.
So that would have been something if we were here.
He even took a video of it, so we watched
all the water coming, you know, it came in and
then it went straight back down to the creek. So yeah,
it's been fun here been three uh over three years now.
Speaker 1: That happened to me once.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: I went down to visit Brian Zeller. I don't know
have you met Brian. I think he's an attendee at
the Mouthband festival. I think a wife come from from
Tennessee and I went down to visit one time and
they had this rain come down and that the same thing.
This rain cloud is stayed in the same area, and
uh was was flooding every place, all kinds of roads,
uh all over the place, and uh, I had to
go to work, you know. The next day it was
going to drive home. I was going to try and
go way south and then come up and U. Yeah.
I was married at the time, and my wife told me, no,
you stay there. I know you. You'll take your risk
going through one of those flooded roads or whatever and
you'll get stuck. So I had an extra I had
to call my boss and tell them I'm not lion,
I have to stay here because of flooding. And they're
near Nashville, and Nashville was flooded parts of it, so
that does happen sometimes.
Speaker 2: It's a common problem. Where I am in Somerset, the
called the Somerset Levels, which were reclaimed from the c
centuries ago, but they are slightly below sea level. If
you get any flooding here, it can be quite a problem. Thankfully,
where I am now, this little bit of where I live,
it's fine. You go two undred dollars down the road
to the area called North End and it's a regular
problem flooding unfortunately, so they've really got used to and
you end up when there's a heavy rain storm. We
have like local Facebook group and say is x yzn
road open yet? Can it be passed yet? And it
is a constant problem here, So I understand that.
Speaker 1: So Susie any flooding there in Connecticut.
Speaker 3: Uh no, it's really nice here. Who don't have that problem?
Speaker 1: That's good.
Speaker 2: I've run the ball. It's nice, lucky flooding on my.
Speaker 4: I did almost have a tree fall on me the
other day, so there's that.
Speaker 1: That's not good. No, I'm right near the floodwall which
separates me from the Ohio River. Fortunately I'm on the
correct side of the floodwall, and uh it's it's a
pretty tall floodwall. But I but Jeff Wansley, who runs
the Mosman Museum, told me that the one, you know,
way back when when it uh uh at one time
it flooded down here, it was taller than the floodwall.
So I do get a little bit of water in
my basement occasionally, but you know, I'm going to try
and fix that. So sound like we're the Home and
Proven show. You know.
Speaker 2: What, what is the how they described the thing that
they've cited that you investigate, you know.
Speaker 5: They they said that this creature, in the several instances
that they saw it just it just stood there observing
them from the woodline. So and and again they there
may be a lot more to this. I've only talked
to the one eyewitness. Uh, we've been having her excuse me,
her husband was sick. So we're kind of one of
the neighbors is retiring in the middle of this month,
so we hope to again, hopefully see her end of
this month, beginning of April, would find out really what's
going on?
Speaker 1: So humanoid on two legs? Yes, yes, and Harry, I presume,
Well here's the thing. She's the one eye witness, the
only one we talked to. Said it looked like it
had black skins, so she didn't mention anything about hair,
which is kind of weird. Yeah, sounds a little bit
like the Grafton Monster maybe, oh yeah, yeah, but the
Grafton Monster might have just been a I don't think
that was a hoax or not. There was only maybe
like two reports or something like that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think they said that it was somebody
moving one of these furniture carts or the big carts
to use the hotel. I'm like, Wow. You know you're
not describing a furniture car. You're you're you're describing this
huge white creature like with with white skin, you.
Speaker 1: Know, the Mountain monster. Guys encountered the Grafton Monster. It
was I saw it on TV.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Remember they they encountered them off Man and they
tried to get it to go under meet that big
bugs apple, which.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. It was funny because they said don't
look at the eyes, and the one guy passes out
because he was hypnotized by the eyes. But the cameraman
was fine. He was he was able to maintain, you know,
his composure.
Speaker 5: I have a friend who actually believes that that was true.
I said, no, they're not true, because I'll tell you
the quick interesting story about they even basically said that
it wasn't true. So they were at Creature Weekend, which
you might even have been at the one right.
Speaker 1: Well, I was the one, the guy with trapper who
passed on he was he was there one year, then
the next year he was he was ill, and the
rest of the gang was there except Buck.
Speaker 5: Yeah. So they basically got up in front and people
asked them. They were asking questions and they said to uh,
I think it was oh Jee's Willie and Jeff, I think,
and they said, have you ever seen these creatures? They
both said yes, when we were young. Right there, It
tells you they didn't say, no, we saw the wood
booger or this or that or the yahoo or whatever
they're calling it this week. They said when they and
I do believe that they both saw it when they
were younger because their tone and everything. But they told
you right there. Nobody ask them another question like, well,
what about all these other things you're seeing, Well, we
forgot about all them. No, they they're basically telling you
none of that happened without telling you.
Speaker 1: Out in the Whispen minutes and the encount of the
Stalley Gaster, Yes, flind in the sky and that was
another one where the big Foots were in league with
the Troop of Conference.
Speaker 5: One of the funniest ones. And and when we were
because they they were creature week in two years in
our friend Salugar, friend Fred and Steve's you know, Steve
knows who Fred is. He said to well, while Bill,
he said, really Bill a fire breathing dragon. And Bill,
you know, Bill played the part, and he just wanted
like this, he said, Pocahontas County. He was played the
part dragon right, Pocahontas County.
Speaker 4: The mention of the bugs apper reminded me of what
was it was? His name Rodney from Coast to Coast
am the man who called in claiming to have a
spirit trapped in a bug zapper.
Speaker 1: It's Rodney and Everett was the Uh was the ghost? Right?
Speaker 5: Yes? Yes?
Speaker 1: Did you ever hear that?
Speaker 5: One? Brian never heard that one? Never heard?
Speaker 1: Okay, Andy, there was a this was a I didn't
hear it originally, but I've got it recorded. It was
uh it was played on a repeat and this guy
Bridley calls Art Bell and he says that he and
his wife captured this ghost, the spirit with a bug
zapper or some kind of a thing. That, yes, and
it was, and it was really mad too. He was
afraid to let it go because he didn't didn't want
the consequences. So it's just the funniest.
Speaker 5: Hey, you would be mad too if they put you
in a.
Speaker 1: Bug When I when I recorded it, it was on
terrestrial radio, and it was it was raining and lightning,
so every once in a while you get that uh
uh uh distortion. You know. It was just kind of
added to the ambiance of Yes, it is if you can,
if you can find it online, it is an absolute hood.
Speaker 2: It sounds like Ghostbusters one or two too many times.
Got you work?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I milked that for all was worth Mm, no surprise, Brian,
you had. I think you told me when I was
down there that there were some reports of something going on,
like right in your area people were seeing something.
Speaker 5: Well yeah, so basically, uh, stell. You know, when you're
coming down our road, you see that little trail that
goes up the hill and you see the tower up there, right.
So one of our neighbors told me. He says, I
saw something, and he goes, I think it was the rake. Okay,
and you know you've already heard about the rag the
pasta creepy pasta type thing which some people say actually
exists that other people say, Well, it was just a
made up like a creepy pasta and then it just
took you know, took flight. Well, he told me that
it was funny though. When he told me the story,
he said, well, I'm gonna tell you. He goes, I
was a little buzzed when I saw this thing. Uh,
he's said that and it's from here to from here
up to where it happened is probably less than half
of a mile. He said that he was on the
opposite side of the creek and he's here something and
he looks across the creek and up on the hill
which you know you have to walk up the hill.
He said this thing was. It was tall, maybe six
foots and it was white. And he says it was
just watching him as it was going down the h
down the hill, which would have been down the hill
actually to our road, Turkey Foot Road. And he said
that up on the hill that allegedly, allegedly right there
was other people who saw this thing. So I was
I've been there about probably about four times already, I
hiked the area a little bit. Of course, you know
this this would have happened like a couple of years
before we even got here. But he's worse. He goes,
you know, I was a little buzzed, but I saw something.
And so again you can take that and allegedly also
straight down the road here that somebody saw with what
they claim was a bigfoot. This was probably five, six,
eight years ago, way before we got here. But so
you know, I've I've hiked, hiked some of these areas.
You know the look you know, maybe you know, maybe
it'll come back, but so far nothing.
Speaker 1: That's pretty cool that you're in an area where there
might be something. And what are what are some of
the other excursions you've taken some of the you've done
a lot of them throughout the year. What are some
of the other area Yeah.
Speaker 5: We did, we did. There was a creature here in
uh Butler County, which you know, Steve, that's where the
where the Butler Conference is, uh place called Chaquora. They
were seeing this creature that was called they still call
it the Chiquora gargoyle. And if you type that in
you'll see a drawing will come up of it. Okay,
And we talked to that original eyewitness who saw this thing.
So we did go to one of the original sightings and.
Speaker 1: Oh, Brian froze up as everybody else him.
Speaker 5: It actually was probably about over eight feet and it
was gray and it around wrap around wings and they
said that the helmet almost looked like an aerodynamic bicycler's helmet.
And as the gentleman was coming up the road, this
creature took three steps and went into the across the woods,
and he didn't see it anymore. So we measured from
burn to burm where this creature would have walked, and
it was thirty three feet, So you're talking to three steps.
You know, I'm not a mathematician, but that's like eleven
eleven feet eleven foot tried. So there was other people
around there that saw it too, and Dan Hageman actually
interviewed most of the people. But we went up there
with Dan and Paul and Fred and Terry, and we
did we did go up there for that one.
Speaker 1: Now you've got Butler's coming up, But don't you have
another conference or two plan coming up this year?
Speaker 5: Well, we we're actually on the what is it the
sixteenth up in the Oh jeez, I'm trying to think
where it is now in Pittsburgh. How's that we're doing?
Me and five four others are doing a I don't know,
not a conference. It was. It's kind of like a
chat where there's four people. I don't know exactly what
it's called.
Speaker 1: But march I.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, it's we're going to talk about AI and
we're going to talk about aliens. So and I'll get
to do my little spiel about haven't you guys watched
Terminator I robot. You got to watch what you're putting.
Artificial intelligence in these robots just scares the shit out
of me. I'm sorry, but you know, yeah, that'll be fun.
And then we have Bill Rigby's conference which is on
the twenty ninth, and then we have a Butler at
the end of the month. And I'm also Stephen giving.
I'm giving a presentation on Mothman and winged and winged
winged entities of the Ohio Valley on April sixth uh
in Gerard, Ohio Library.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to be giving uh you don't have
dates yet, but there are two libraries and one in
West Virginia and one in Newer, Ohio where I will
be giving a Mothman one on one talk. So and
I imagine there'll be uh little kids there, so I'll
try not to be too scary. I want to want
to make sure they can sleep at night. Yes, the Mothman,
he's you know, well anyway, I wouldn't wouldn't try. Yeah,
he's scared the hell of people. Yeah, chase cars. But
he's a kinder jetler month man.
Speaker 3: You know, he may be scary to dogs. Though I
think that's the only evidence we possibly have of him
being scary or dangerous.
Speaker 1: Although the incident was bannedit that happened before the uh
the Scarberry's UH and the Mallets uh Merle Partridge when
he was interviewed by Jeff Walsley for his book UH,
he said he didn't didn't see the eyes he saw there.
It was something like it was uh electric or whatever.
They were like lights revolving, And I think uh John
Keel wrote an article on that earlier than the book
came out, and it was reported like that accurately. But
in the book it said it sounded more like Connie
Carpenter's version of this thing that flow over the Mason
County golf course. I think that, you know, Keel complained
a lot about these faceless editors that were always messing
with his grip. I don't know that Keel made the mistake.
I think that perhaps the uh, the editors thought they'd
make the two uh sightings a little more uh, you know,
streamline unified. So I don't know, but UH, There's one
thing I can tell you is that you know, the
original couples that were chased by the Mothman out of
the T and T area on November fifteenth, nineteen sixty six.
The Scarberrys of the Mallets, they all gave interviews initially,
and then the Mallets just went quiet. They haven't said
anything for or forever. And Linda Scarberry came forward about
two thousand and six and started coming to the Mothmand festivals. Actually,
Jeff Walmsley, who founded the Monthmand Festival and the Mothman Museum,
he lived on the same street that they lived on,
the Scarberry's and he was he was Linda's paper boy,
you know. So. But now Linda is no longer with us.
She died several years ago. But Roger Scarberry, when he
after he gave his initial interview, he just went quiet
for like half a century. A few months ago, out
of a clear blue he came to Jeff Wansley and
he said, I want to tell my story. I'm tired
of hearing people, uh say what happened and there, you know,
they get it wrong. And so they set up an
interview for the next day. I was in on the
last part of that interview. Uh, And so the Jeff
just said, Roger, just tell me, did it really happen?
Because Jeff has always wondered, you know, was this something
that was exaggerated or whatever? And Roger said, it scared
the hell out of us. And he said they were
they were looking at this thing and he actually saw
the red eyes in it for a moment. He thought
it might be like the the lights of a truck
backing up, you know. And he said, everybody was looking
at each other saying did you see what I saw?
And so? And then then then it chased them into town.
But uh so, Jeff is going to publish the full
interview in his third book, so uh get that. Yeah.
The only thing I can really tell you is his
son was there, Rogers, and he said, my dad just
doesn't make stuff up, so you know. So anyway, that was.
And also the Connie Carpenter, she's the one that was
driving past the Mason County golf course early on when
the sighting started. She's mentioned in the mockband prophecies. She
saw this thing, uh shoot up fly over her, a
fly over the car. She said she couldn't describe the face.
It was science fiction like and she had conjunctividis afterwards.
You know, Usually that's associated with like UFOs or bright
light or whatever. But so she wants to come forward
and give her story. That hasn't happened yet, but anyway,
that's kind of an update on the mont.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Steve, I was able to talk to several witnesses too,
and we both talked to Linda Siegmund. She's actually going
to speak at our conference, our Panhandler conference on May seven.
We think is pretty cool. If you want to come
down for that, you can. You can come down for
that too and say.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll be slumming at your place for and you
know what they there.
Speaker 5: That's right, that's right. So the one lady I talked
to and I know you've probably talked to and I
hope i'm saying that Martellus Bennett.
Speaker 1: Or Marcella Bennett.
Speaker 5: Marcella Bennett.
Speaker 1: Well, I never never had a chance to talk to her.
Speaker 5: Oh okay, So I talked to her just so briefly
at one of these moth Man one of the earlier
ones that we went to. And she's and I wish,
I wish I could have tape tape recorded this. And
she's the one, like you know, Steve, who actually dropped
the baby, her baby, and she saw this creature. So
she she told me. She says, she pointed, she says,
don't ever let them tell you that it didn't exist.
And then she turned away and she says, and it's
from outer space. So chilling, so chilling with those words,
they just like went through me. I mean, and you
should have seen a look in her eyes, Steve. We've
all interviewed eyewitnesses, whether it's a like Susie, a puck
wudgie or a bigfoot or a moth man or a
wing dentity whatever, and that fear was in her eyes.
I mean, I believe she saw what she did.
Speaker 1: She would drive at night for a while afterwards. I've
seen long form interviews with her. Yes, And for those
that don't know, this is a if you're going out
Potter's Creek Road and the Igloo roads are to the
left and right north and south, hers was she and
her brother went out on the first Igloo road north
because the another Wansley family I think lived there, or
I'm not sure there was a there's some friends of
them lived there and they were, you know, they thought
the mothman thing was just a joke, so they were
going to go and you know, up there and tap
on the windows and see if they could scare them. Well,
they got there and just the kids were home. So
she's come. She holding her baby. She and her brother
are walking back toward the car. He's trying to get
her attention because there's some kind of a light or
something up in the sky, and she's not interested. And
all of a sudden, this thing rises up off the
ground and she just freezes, and the and the and
the she actually dropped her infant. She was all right,
but uh and then she she picked her up, and
she was frozen for a minute. And they ran back
to the house, went inside, and supposedly this thing walked
back and forth across the porch, and of course they
called the cops. And by the time the cops got there,
mister Monkman decided to exit stage left or right or whatever.
So he just doesn't stick around. But uh, yeah, and
then and and also remember tom Urie, does you ever
talk to him?
Speaker 5: So brief so very briefly too. I think it was
the same time. He just said, he goes, you know,
what to look like a giant bird. It's basically all
he said. And then he kind of like like kind
of walked away. I just talked I mean it was
so brief, you.
Speaker 1: Know what He saw a thunderbird and he said, I
had a ten to twelve foot wingspan flew over his car.
And for the longest time he thought that everybody else
saw what he did, but due to the freak out factor,
they added the details. So he was driving and by
the way, he uh Mary Hyer who was the reporter
and had the column where the waters where the waters
mingle and man new colleague of John Keel. Uh, she
reported his his uh sighting wrong. I think maybe she
might have taken some liberty and made it sound more
like the Mothman. Anyway, it was a little ticked off.
He knew Mary. So when he went into her office
and said, Mary, I ought to kill you, he was kidding.
He wasn't homicidal. And she said, don't worry, Tom, this
will all blow over in about two weeks. Well, he's
telling me the story years forty years later and he
had blown over. So so he and Marcella were Marcella
Bennett were driving to Catanning. This was for promotion for
the Mothman Prophecies movie, because as you know, a lot
of this was filmed in Catanning. Substituting for point pleasant.
And so he said, well, let's tell each other a story.
And so he heard her story, and he told her
his story, and he decided that they had actually seen
something different.
Speaker 5: So, Steve, I have a special guest here to say something.
Speaker 1: Not a en cryptid right, No, wonder your boss, Terry,
how's going? You remember Andy? Right? And this is Susie Bastile,
the pug wedgie whisper.
Speaker 5: We gotta we gotta bring up the books. And then
you know, and you don't think you talked to Andy
last night?
Speaker 2: And oh yes, and you know you know that that
guy yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, close on our couch takes our takes our books.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I've got I've got too many books here.
I've actually, I've actually taken a bunch of books, not
UFO books or paranormal books to Goodwill because i just
got to get rid of some stuff. So maybe i'll
I'll know many's.
Speaker 5: That's what she thinks.
Speaker 1: My house is not much bigger than a bread basket.
Bread uh not bread basket? What a bread doesn't matter.
I got a small house.
Speaker 5: Our old house, Steve, it was you know, we had
the basement was the library. Now it's changed in the
one room like when you saw when you come here, you.
Speaker 1: Know, right right, very cool. Well, my mine'st jammed in
one room too, but it's become kind of a junk
room right now. It got too many bucks. I can't
even get to my library because I got too much
junk in that right now.
Speaker 5: Anyway, But she runs the group, Susy, she's the Hart
and so holder group. She runs it. Uh, I just
get up here and talk and bullshit, and I couldn't
do all this about her.
Speaker 1: She does she pay you?
Speaker 5: I'm being honest. I'm not lying or doing it. You know.
Speaker 1: Does she pay you with salary?
Speaker 5: No, he should be paying me.
Speaker 1: She's the public.
Speaker 4: Ask a hard hitting question. How is Steve as a
house guest?
Speaker 3: Is he messy? Does he snore?
Speaker 5: He's a very good guest, very good guest. If he
comes over during the day, he has to take a
little nap, but other than that, he's pretty good. Which Steve,
I do this now, so I'm not making funny of you.
If we go out for an hour, a couple of hours,
I'm like, I'm gonna take a half our nap goes
into an hour, and then I get up but I
understand now, Steve. No, Steve is a great house guest.
Speaker 1: He's yeah, and I and I and I love the cats.
Speaker 5: They want to grab Salie, give your girl. She's not
doing very good with our new cat. And it's you're Sally.
You remember her? Yeah?
Speaker 1: There she goes really tiny.
Speaker 5: She don't like being held. Yeah, he's getting crabby in
her old age.
Speaker 1: She's not a lap cat.
Speaker 5: She was, yeah, she still is.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, she just doesn't want to be picked up and held.
But if you're sitting down, she'll come jump on you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, very good. Well, good to see you, Terry,
you Steve. He may have me as a house guest
pretty soon.
Speaker 5: Ye, but another one month month and a half and April,
end of April, and then I've invited him over for
me too. If he wants to come for the Panhandle
come from. Maybe you will actually get John Lee to
come to something maybe yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, he was down for the festival last time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I got to get back down there. You know,
I haven't we well, I think we went two years ago.
It was so crowded, Steve.
Speaker 1: I know, and I you know, I was the MC
and they had at a church at the other side
of the UH of town, and I didn't I didn't
actually get down to the festival park to spend money.
I was. I was actually still working on my talk,
but I uh you know, I couldn't. Uh it was
uh would would take just to do the round trip.
It would have been close to uh you know, the
next speaker. So anyway that's happened. You know, I used
to be a happy, go lucky UH Mothman Festival attendee.
I would I would get the fever and anything with
Mothman on a T, shirts, books, trinkets or whatever I
had to have it, I'd get into the cold sweats
if I didn't buy it. And now over the years
I've been absorbed. So I go into the T and
T area early and set up some of the critters
in there, and you know, with their eyes lit up
and giant pree spiders and everything. And of course the
fricks are in there setting up the Mothman and uh
you know, with their ingenious uh hand hand crank delivery
system and they light up its eyes with it's If
you walk into the Mothmam Museum and look up in
the ceiling, you will see the mothman they created and
it's pretty cool and uh, they let light up his
eyes with battery power. They set up the the wire
that he comes down, and they blast a sound effect
which I won't tell you where it comes from because
I'm sure it's copyrighted. And I don't want them to
end up in ankle bracelets, you know, because of who's
gonna fly.
Speaker 5: I know you miss us, I know you miss a
whole wagon full of bigfooters harassing you during.
Speaker 1: The well I may. I'm sure I told this story
before on air, but you know, not everybody listens to
every show. I had met Brian and some of the
bigfooters at Butler the first year I went. And so
I'm on the cart. There's there's three of us that
do the tours, and they give me the old man
cart usually with the nice comfortable seats, which is kind
of nice. The other ones that get stuck with the
real you know, with baiales of hay and all that stuff. Anyway,
so I see these guys lying up and I think, oh, heck,
they're uh they're Butler people bigfooters. And I thought, oh,
there's four, maybe six I recognize. So they get on
the cart, and I thought, well, I'm gonna he messed
with these guys. And I said, I started out instead
of the real, the normal tour. I said, you know,
the only legitimate paranormal researchers are Mosman researchers. Bigfoot researchers
are a bunch of backbencher wannabes. And I remember Dave Rupert,
who I didn't know. He's looking at me like do
I kill him quick or slow? You know?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was fun. That was That was the funnest
time we ever had down there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But then the punchline is Bruce Henrington that runs
the Creature Weekend, is sitting next to me. He's got
his camera. I said, hey, Bruce, pretty funny, huh. I
you know I recognize so and so and so and so.
He said, Steve, the whole cart was full of bigfoots.
Speaker 5: That's become a running joke now, Steve.
Speaker 1: Even most of them came back the next year for
more abuse, So I must have done a good job.
Speaker 5: Steve posted something I forget what it was about the
truth or something or no, I can know longer. Hope
say you know, not say anything, and I'm like, yes,
the bigfoot is better than moth Man.
Speaker 2: Do you think there's any connection between the two.
Speaker 5: I'll let Steve take that first.
Speaker 1: Well, you're the guess. You're the guy that knows, well.
Speaker 5: You know, if some of these things are interdimensional, which
I you know, if I had the guess, that's what
Mothman was, an interdimensional creature that stayed a lot longer
than normal. What eleven, twelve, thirteen months or something like that, Steve.
Speaker 1: Well, even it actually people were seeing it afterwards, Okay,
but that the attention because of the bridge collapse, the
tragedy there. People just didn't care about that or the
UFOs anymore.
Speaker 5: And with Bigfoot, you have, you know a lot of
sightings here especially well if not here now we no
longer live in pa in Pennsylvania, that there's been tracks
in this Like you take a big field with snow,
tracks go in the middle of the field, they just disappear,
or you'll find one track here and one where they
come from. Where do they go? Now? A skeptical tell you, well,
you know that this creature went all the way in
the middle of the field at night, and then a
backtrack all the way out, making perfect prints. Where did
it go? Did it go? Up through down. Where did
it go? It had to go, you know, had to
go somewhere. So we get this. I mean, you know,
some people have Actually I talked to a guy a
long time ago who claims this was up in West
more Than County. He heard noises, okay, on once in
this field he sees something, but he only sees half
of it. And then he sees it over there.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it.
Speaker 5: Was there, and it's gone, and then it's there. And
then we got another report that Fred took of this
creature crossing the road and as it was crossing, it
just sort of faded out, didn't totally disappear. Started you know,
it's cross and crossing, it's fading out, fading out. By
the time it gets to the end the road, it's
it's gone. So what happened? I mean, did it did
it go through did it go through a portal? I
don't know. But we do take even though we you know,
technically cryptozoologists, you know, it's got to be a flesh
and blood thing. We we research it as a flesh
and blood you know, we're looking for signs, we're looking
for tracks, you know, hair or whatever you're looking for.
But did a lot of the estimate. Its a lot
of this, and and maybe Susie can tell me about
the puckuadgy too. It doesn't make sense. Yeah, what do
you think about that?
Speaker 2: You?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm kind of the same school of thought as you.
Speaker 3: With puck wedgies. People will see them say, you know,
it was real. It was in front of me. I
smelled it.
Speaker 4: No tracks, they just kind of disappear as you know,
just like they appear suddenly. They'll disappear just as suddenly.
But people will say, you know, it was standing right
in front of me. It looked like a flesh and
blood animal. Yes, so I think, and you know, it
could be both, though it doesn't have to be one
or the other. But I definitely don't think, you know,
tangible like you and I are.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know how tangible I am.
Speaker 1: Sometimes we don't feel that tangible sometimes.
Speaker 5: But you know, when my wife Terry, she's she's read
a lot about the Fay and about the little people.
And if some people scoff at that, I'm like, okay,
but you believe that there's a six to eight foot
tall Harry ape out there and we can't find it.
Why could there not be a small forefoot or under
something small, it would be harder to find, right, I mean,
doesn't that make sense?
Speaker 4: I think yeah, and Brian actually have something I have
to thank you for that relates to pages.
Speaker 3: So it maybe it was sometime within.
Speaker 4: The last year you were on the show of a
couple of close friends of mine who in one of them,
accidentally because Puck Wedgies came up, he accidentally called me
his dog's name, and you corrupted him.
Speaker 3: His dog's name is.
Speaker 4: Lucy, and so instead of Susie, he said Lucy, and
Brian chimes in, finally, and this is my own friend,
mind you that called me his dog's name. And Brian,
like a knight in shining armor, says, are you talking
about Susie?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I do. I do mention you on some
of some of the shows because like you know, like
I said, we we've only done one or two cases.
We did the one case of a gnome like creature, right,
And also up in Chikora there is a and I
talked to the guy been trying for what about six
or seven years to get on his gun and his property.
But if you you get a chance, all you all
you type in Chakhora nome. Okay, if you type it in,
you're gonna see a little picture. You're gonna see a
like kind of like was it on the ground or
in the wedge of a tree. You might have been
on the ground. It looks like one of the garden nomes.
But but and he said that he he did take
that picture and he got an analyzed and he says,
you know, this looks like this was some kind of
a real empathy. So again, I mean like maybe someday
before I die, he'll let us on a property. But
so you're talking, you're talking gnomes, uh, you know, gargoyles, bigfoot,
you know where they come from? My friend Fred always says,
where do they come from? Where do they go?
Speaker 2: As you can imagine over here, we've got stories of
those things going for a thousand definitely, yeah, absolutely before
it's oldest stories here. These things tend to come from
underground or come from the hills. They was trying to
find an explanation for where they appear from. But some
of the stories it just they appeared literally from nowhere.
So absolutely in pixies, fairies, all those things, you know,
there were many folk like tales about those particular creatures
being seen. I just want to quickly tell you a
little story. Actually, I was with some friends at the
weekend and I've completely forgotten about this. This kind of
weird remembering old stuff. I was talking on the show
recently about the one UFO experience I'd had back in
the eighties. I'd completely forgotten about. It just came to me.
But when I was involved with a group called earth Quests,
used to investigate strange phenomena back in the early eighties
and nineties in the UK. One of the guys who
joined the group was a retired policeman. He was relatively young.
He'd had a serious injury through work and so I
was retired out of the police force. It was, I
think in his forties and talking about different cases. Had
a few odd things happened, but said the stranger's case
he had as a policeman was called to someone's house.
A woman rang him bang the police station and say
that she believed there was an intruder in her house.
She couldn't find anything, but she'd seen some very strange footprints,
it said. It took us a while to go around
because it wasn't a high perriority as she said, there
was no one in the house, but she thought she
may have been broken into. And so he came out
into the house, went into the lounge and there were
big called French doors, big glass doors at the back,
and there's a light snowfall, and you could see in
the back garden there were footprints, shoe footprints. And walked
on the corner of the fence up to the glass
door and stopped. And there's no footsteps going backwards, and
no footsteps go anywhere else. The door hadn't been opened.
It literally it walked to the back door and stopped it.
Speaker 1: Where to go.
Speaker 5: I mean it's like, you know the big the Bigfoot
mystery especially, I mean there's just a lot of there's
I think there's too much in the Bigfoot mystery to
just say, oh, it's just an ape or it's an
undiscovered primate. I think we would have more evidence, I
really do. Uh. You know, like Paul Johnson, you know,
Steve knows who doctor Paul Johnson is. He talks about
a quantum theory, like when this creature is here, it's
just as real as us or a bear.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it somehow.
Speaker 5: Can go into a you know, another realm to Menson,
you are maybe it's a portal you supply the word
you know, and that's just like what is it? I
mean it's like I I like Steve knows, I say,
I don't know a lot. I mean, I like, you know,
what what is your fit?
Speaker 1: You don't know a lot? Well, you know, I don't
know critic Yeah, Brian, Brian, hold on a second. You
you're out there doing You're talking to people and doing
a lot of a lot of not just research, but
you're you're actually out there in the field interviewing witnesses.
So you just from your experience, you're going to know
a lot more than many people do. I'm more on
the research side, you know. I'm more like kick back
in the chair and do you know, think deep thoughts
and do research.
Speaker 5: But we do both. We archive. You know, you've seen
our foul Steve we call and uh yeah, we and
like you're talking about like soon as he talks about
the puck wadg we Hinsdale, New York, Hensdale House, have
you heard it? You probably heard of it, right, Yeah,
So the gentleman who runs it, uh, what's his name?
What's his name? Dan something?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 5: Dan cloffs. No, it's Dan, That's what I say. Yeah,
you can tell her Mary how back and board. It'll
it'll be forty years Steve this year. This this November,
by the way. So, so he claims that there's one
on his property. When we were up there. We were
up there with Lee uh uh, the one year John
Lee and they they claimed that there was something they
saw something you remember was it was? It was it
kind of like an ape like because what happened is
they all a bunch of them. They walked down the road.
We did, so we we hear noise, you know, we
see these lights going like that, they're flashlight that they're
running back, running back down the road. We saw this thing.
It was big. So I ran straight up into the
woods and there's a what's a tree called there was
a tree that they've the offering tree. Okay, and I
just sat there for a while and yeah, I got
this weird feeling. You didn't see anything, but just kind
of it felt weird. But they claim it was they
saw bigfoot. Now, there was also allegedly another bigfoot scene
on the other side of the property. So but he
claims that people have seen this little thing. He calls
the Puckwadgy there. So it's on Native American land, right,
I think.
Speaker 3: Well, we're all on Native American land.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're right. That's a good point.
Speaker 4: In the Bridgwater Triangle too, where you have Puckwagy sightings,
there's also bigfoot sightings.
Speaker 3: Lauren Coleman documented a lot of those.
Speaker 2: Have you gone there?
Speaker 5: Have you gone to the Bridgewater Triangle?
Speaker 3: I have stayed overnight there also.
Speaker 4: Yeah, anything happened, anything happened, nothing, nothing there' Steve you
were there too, Steve Right?
Speaker 1: No, not been to the Bridgewater Triangle. So's been there
several times?
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I go a few times every year usually.
Speaker 5: I've always wanted to go there. I mean yeah, one
time somebody claimed they saw a dinosaur there too.
Speaker 4: I thought, yeah, yep, yep, and pterodactyls as well as
terrestrial dinosaurs yep, and huge snakes and as a dinosaur.
Speaker 2: Well, I've been to Bridgewater a few times. There's nothing much.
Speaker 4: There, A different, different Bridgewater.
Speaker 1: Are you saying we stole the name Andy.
Speaker 2: Well, there's a possibility.
Speaker 5: New England, you know, Andy, we have a place here
in uh well, in uh Pennsylvania. It's called Newcastle and
I know you have won there.
Speaker 2: Too, right, do you have any coal there? Yes, it's
a big city, Newcastle. Yes. One of the funny things
season is about this. You've got a Taunton and a Bridgewater,
and I live near Taunton, and the relationship the position
wise to bridge Walton Taunton is the same. It's the
same direction from one from the other over there, which
is pretty quick.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I went to look something up.
Speaker 4: I don't remember if it's looking up Bridgewater or taut
and I think it was Taught and I saw like
Taunton mass and then Taught in UK and I said, oh,
that's another one. I'm just going to click on it,
take a look at it. And I pulled up. It
took me to that part of the map and I
saw it was right next to Bridgewater.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's like almost probably like the same directionally, yeah,
as each other. It was like an overlight. It was crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that Saunton is eight hundred years old. It's
a little holder.
Speaker 1: But back to what we're talking about with Bigfoot. You
know you had Stan Gordon in the he investigated Pennsylvania
south West Pennsylvania seventy three seventy four bizarre bigfoot reports
that were shot point blanket that would disappear in a
hal of sparks and they you know, green glowing eyes
and just just really odded. But even some of the
ones out in the northwest, uh the Valley of the
Schookum by Sally Shepherd Wolford. Uh, some of them were
very much look flesh and blood, but some of them
were transparent, you know, and it was just so uh
it's just so hard to uh to you to pin
down what they are.
Speaker 5: What's your word, what's your word trans what does that trans.
Speaker 1: More, transmogrification, longification, that's a yes. But by the way,
Susie has been infected by John Keel. Yeah, she's she
read the man prophecies and and she uh well I
don't speak for her, but I think she's been uhcumbed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we talked to doctor Simeon.
Speaker 2: Ns.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I'm reading Dark Matter Monsters right, a very interesting theory
as well.
Speaker 5: Exactly exactly, And I I think more people are kind
of starting to, I don't want to say jump on
the bandwagon, but they're definitely paying attention to that. But
a lot of them, like Steve has been talking about
that for years. We talk about it, but we don't utterry.
We kind of don't really push it because as a
cryptozoologist you're not really supposed to say that. But but
we get around that by saying which is true. We
start off by thinking these things are flesh and blood
and we're looking for evidence there. However, it goes after that,
it goes.
Speaker 4: But the just change your name to the Bigfoot Whisperer
and then you say whatever you want there, you.
Speaker 1: Go, let me do our station identification intermission here The
High Strangest Factor is copyrighted on the Paranormal UK Radio Network. Today,
Andy Susie and I are talking to Brian Seek about
his work in the Realm of the Unexplained. Now we've
got to take a little little side step here. It
is tradition because because it turns out that Brian, and
he never lets me forget, he had a small part
in a major emotion picture. I think it was dude,
where's my car? Is that correct?
Speaker 5: Yeah, there was this movie called Mothman Prophecies.
Speaker 1: Ah, that's right, that's right, And so you've got to
you've got to tell the story again. I mean, uh,
not everybody has heard it and not everybody's gonna go
back on the archive to find it. But it's a
great story.
Speaker 5: So what if Jeff Talkington hears this, He's gonna go on,
here we go again. I'm probably gonna listen to it.
So this was for you, Jeff.
Speaker 1: So how did you get how did you get the
word about this?
Speaker 5: Well, we found out to the newspaper that uh, a
place called Nancy Mosser Casting is she did, and she's
still around. She's in Pittsburgh. She she still does a
lot of things for movies and commercials. They needed for
the Mothman prophecies.
Speaker 1: Mallington, Mark Mark Pellington, is.
Speaker 5: He the guy that Yes, yes, he was the director.
Speaker 1: And they filmed this in uh a lot of them
in Pennsylvania because that's where they're based, right, Yeah.
Speaker 5: And the part I did was up at the pit
Cathedral learning is the part.
Speaker 1: That I was in and that was supposed to do
for Chicago, right, yes.
Speaker 5: And Richard gear and all Bates, Allen Bates were walking
up the steps to go into the library right before
the library scene, and I'm the guy on that I
think on the left carrying the briefcase. And that's always
meaning he looked at He's laughing. Already tease each other
about that briefcase. Yes, I.
Speaker 1: Accused Brian of going to the food counter or whatever
and stuffing it full of food so they didn't have
to buy groceries for two weeks. But I could that
might be an exaggeration.
Speaker 5: Hey, they did feed us. They did feed us really well.
Speaker 1: So so how many you timed it? How many seconds
are you on?
Speaker 5: Maybe two, but maybe two and.
Speaker 1: Maybe three.
Speaker 5: But it was funny because I took I took my
mom and brother. We went that night. It was like, oh,
here's the big premiere, right, and I'm like, they're walking
off tips. I go there I and then it was over.
I actually slowed it down at home and I took
a still shot and I'm like, there, I am very good.
So it was fun.
Speaker 2: It was fun.
Speaker 5: But actually, Steve, I'm doing a uh in two weeks.
I'm doing a uh, A small bit part where I
think I have three lines. I'm playing a farmer and
it's a it's a horror film called Wrong Way and
almost there. Yeah, I haven't shade that.
Speaker 1: I don't like it.
Speaker 5: He likes me and a beard. I don't want it
makes me look but uh so I'm gonna have like
three lines in this in this movie. I was in
two other movies that they had called Crossing Paths and
Crossing Past two. So again I had a little bit.
I had bigger parts. This is just such a minor part.
But that's fun to do, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Did you see me in Mountain Devil three? Did you
wash Mountain Devil?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 5: Yeah I did. Unfortunately, Oh man, I mean you did
a great part. But I mean that was like I was.
I was in Mountain Devil one and two.
Speaker 1: I was in both of them, but those were actual documentaries, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this the three, well, I'm not I'm gonna be nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: And and the Bigfoots they're like wearing shirts, you know,
they're not even the costume isn't even zipped up. I
don't know, but yeah, like flying saucers are coming over
and uh blowing up cars and people. You know, they
explode and they what happened was the they get who's
the guy that did it? Ryan the Okay, several years
before I was at Butler and we did some interviews,
I mean serious interviews, and so he asked if he
could use that and this this film. I didn't know
where it was going to end up, so it wasn't
wasn't too embarrassing for me. What they did was aunorate
look retro and they had this recro TV set and
uh uh, I'm on it talking about John Keele and transmografication.
I said, transmogrification. That's not easy to say. I'm on
there for about one minute in this bizarre mockumentary and
uh man, we're film stars, though, Brian. You know, I
mean a lot of people are going to be envious,
so and and you know the chicks are really going
to take it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I always I tease her. I'm like, if somebody
says I saw you on someone, I'm like, Terry. These
fans just won't let me alone.
Speaker 2: This is radio, so I can't show this. I'm actually
watching the clip at the moment outside with characters talking,
and I'm trying to see I spot Brian, but no,
not so far.
Speaker 5: Oh oh the in the movie, Yeah, that was, like,
you know, it was verymidating. I shot, we shot for
I shot for two scenes. The other one didn't get
If you guys remember where uh Richard gear, you remember
where he's sitting in the park.
Speaker 1: Yes, and then he looks up.
Speaker 5: That was a huge park. That was a park. Me
and another lady were all the way across the the
other end of the park walking, I mean, and they.
I didn't get in that scene, but that was intimidating.
We went out there was snowing like a little flurry
and it was cold, and they're all, they're all underneath
a tent and Richard Gear sitting there on the uh
this the seat on the bench, and they had this system.
It looked like a like a big slide and the
camera was up on top. Because if you remember, he's
sitting there and he goes like this and the camera
zoom's in on him. It was the cool. It was
very intimidating. I'm like, oh, we just went out there,
and they're all, you know, all you guys go there,
but you know, go over there and you know you
you guys just walk And I didn't get in that scene.
But the other one, me and the other guy, when
we're walking towards the screen, we didn't walk fast enough.
He goes, you guys gotta walk fast, come on, come on.
They took it like they took it like three times.
And as we were right before we shot, Richard Gear
was in or not. Yeah, Richard Gear was sitting in
a camper like we were like a trailer, yeah, trailer,
you kidding? We were right here, and and Richard Gear's
camper was like right here, trailer. She always that's what
we're doing wrong, thank you. So the window, you know
what I feeling. So the window was like right, we
were here. The window was right here. So I'm peering
in there and they're blow drying his hair because it
was windy and it was you it was cold, little
bit of flurries. And then I I went like this
to the guy that meet. We were walking, I'm like, man,
is this what it is to be a movie star?
And they blocked off like like the road and then
there's other people there looking at us like and I'm like, yeah,
is this what it is to be a movie star?
It was like so hilarious. They said, don't talk to
the people. You don't talk to the actors until they
unless they talk to you. That's what they said. And
they said, this is their business, this is their job rule,
matter of fact, like don't mess with them. You know,
if they would have come up with us, and you know,
said my guys. We could have said hi, but we
couldn't say Hi, Hi, Richard.
Speaker 2: So were you carrying you wearing a long dark coat
carrying briefcase?
Speaker 5: Yes, you see, I found you, Steve.
Speaker 1: I told you.
Speaker 5: Now, Steve never tells you. The alternative ending that they
never showed is there's a bomb in that briefcase and
I throw it at them off man and I kill him.
But he never wants to message mentioned that.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it's just off appeal. And just
after the characters.
Speaker 1: Meet, I think he implied that he was Laura Lennie's
love interest, and I didn't buy it at all.
Speaker 5: Very she's sitting right here, she heard Okay, Okay, she's laughing.
She would even spit in your direction.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: But it's fun me and it's even had fun about
this every time.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, when when he's when he's on my ride,
the hay ride, he brings up, Hey, Steve, did you
know I was in the mark Man prophecies? Oh God,
here we go.
Speaker 2: Who's the blonde woman walking with you?
Speaker 5: There was no blonde woman.
Speaker 2: Oh that's the wrong person.
Speaker 1: Then, now, okay, hes trying to stir things up, now,
just trying.
Speaker 2: To find it. So it was just after the two
characters meet.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then we're walking toward you.
Speaker 1: Okay, you know I love the scenes between Alan Bates
and Richard Gears. Yes, my brain's not working.
Speaker 2: I can't forgetting their bloody names. Yes, some of the
dialogue there, I think for me is a particularly personal
the whole idea of them noticing and then notice that
he notices something that's really stayed with me.
Speaker 5: When I have a scrap book, actually two scrap books. Okay,
when when that movie came out, I for like, what
is it, two months? I I checked, I bought every
news I mean really, I was buying all the newspaper
I was online. So almost it should be almost every
newspaper article about Mathman should should be in those two
scrap books. And maybe maybe some day, Steve, you know,
I get closer to death, I'm gonna donate tempt at
the museum and that'll be a nice it'll be a
really cool.
Speaker 1: Brian, just just hand it over to me and I'll
make sure that the museum is okay. Yeah, but the scene,
especially in the library, what's supposed to be the library
where you know Richard Gears me Richard Gear was really
good in this this film. He's at his wits end,
and he says to Alan Bates, who who has been
through all this and has suffered all this, lost his family.
He says, didn't you need to know? And Alan Bates
places so well, he kind of there's the pause. He
cocks his head a little bit and he says, we're
not allowed to know, yes, and maybe we're not allowed
to know, but what the hell are we doing here?
Speaker 2: In way?
Speaker 1: Okay? I got it.
Speaker 5: The one thing I did not like about it is
because going to the build up of it, they asked
Mark Pellington and he says, I don't want to make
a monster movie. I'm like, well, dude, this thing looked
like a freaking monster. You should have at least shown
it now if when what's your name up? Is it
not Laura Lenny U? The other lady I forget her name?
Speaker 1: Oh oh yeah, they played his wife.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, So she's driving, you know, they're driving in
that car. They show something real quick, come up to
the thing, and then they wreck and then you know,
she has complications. She dies. Slow it down frame by
frame and you'll see the outline what's supposed to be
the moth man, even with what's his name U the
scene at the plant where he drives and it looks
like it's a moth but then it comes looks like
a shape in right.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's the.
Speaker 5: Only thing that they show. That would have been a
lot scarier if they would have actually done a depiction
of what the mothman actually looked like. That was a
hell of a lot scarier than anything that you know,
or I don't want you to see the monster basically
is what he's saying. I want a psychological thriller. I'm like, well, dude,
this thing looked like a damn monster that you should
have been if they would ever do. And we've talked
about it, like Steve too, we talked about it, like
why don't they do a mini series based exactly.
Speaker 1: On the book? Yes, there's other material that would add
to that, add to the book. I mean the book
is they cut out half of it when it was
published and left it on the cutting room floor, So
you know that like John Keel was, like I say,
he was always complaining about the faceless editors messy with
his manuscripts.
Speaker 5: You know, I mean, it could have been fantastic, It
could have been because the book was I remember reading
the book. Huh, and you read it too. She was
scared out this she were because it's he couldn't read
it at night. It was an intense book.
Speaker 3: I thought.
Speaker 5: It was like, remember what did he say that how
did the start up the Devil came to West Virginia?
Speaker 2: Right y?
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yeah, well that the chapter beislbeb visits West Virginia.
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, yes, and it was just you know, it
wasn't Keel the Devil in that, yes, right, well, he
he was uh uh you know, wearing clothes that uh,
I mean, he's he's down there and a gallop was
faery south of Point Pleasant where you know, what did
you say, strangers are suspect and strangers with beards or
even more suspect.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, he's got the dark hat and he
looks like a man in black sort of yeah, and
he's freaking he's freaking people out, but he you know,
somebody asked him in an interview was that a literary device?
Because he uh, two of the people that he came
to the door, he said, died on the bridge the
next uh yeah, And so they asked him, was that
a literary device? And he said no. He said he
had gone back into that area and people were talking
about these a couple that and I don't know who
their names were, but that they had a strange visitor,
uh you know that they thought might have might have
been the devil, which was him, and they died on
the bridge. So it was actually something that really happened.
And so there's in one of the anthologies, there's uh
two or three interviews with him. One of them was
from originally High Times magazine, but they're the The interviews
are really interesting about uh, you know, he really gets
into some fascinating stuff. But anyway, I do have a
question for you, Brian. You've told the story before. There
was I don't know the circumstances are where it was.
You guys were going out to an area I think
where bigfoots had been seen or heard or whatever, and
you encountered a strange light in the sky you want
to look for bigfoot and you saw a UFO.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that that we we've seen several things that we
several we call UFOs. That one that you were talking
about that was in uh, I was in West more
Than County, Gray Station. We were stationed right right below
railroad track and Terry was there, but she was back
at camp. It was me and Sean, my son Sean
or son Sean, And so we look in the back
and there's this light okay, and it was kind of
like moving around, and three or four of us saw
there was about six of us all along this. We're
overlooking a field where these creatures were being seen. And
so I had a spotlight, so I did the old Hey,
let's let's hit this thing with the spotlight. You know,
you've heard people do that with UFOs and they respond, well,
I hit it twice and then it disappeared, and then
it reappeared over here, and then I hit it twice again.
Then it disappeared but didn't come back, and we it
was like some a little bit. There was a little
bit of clouds. It wasn't like all clouds. So we're like, okay,
did did we really see this? Did it? You know?
Did the clouds make it seem like it was from here?
We we sat there and watched it for another twenty
minutes and there was nothing so that that we thought
that was that was pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, now now that area it was was an
area that had a reputation of bigfoot signings.
Speaker 5: Bigfoot sighting. Yeah, yeah, no, I don't that, I think
in the eighties and I don't know. I don't really
follow West more Than County anymore because it's you know,
we just don't go go up there. But at the time,
there was a lot of uh because people were saying,
okay that the trains would hit a deer, who would
hit deer, and there was allegedly a lot of deer
deer kills there, and they would say, oh, the bigfoot
come in and grab the deer, you know, the uh right,
deer carcasses and they eat you know. And there's been
several other researchers that say, yeah, uh, in certain areas
where bigfoot has been spotted, you don't see road kill,
I mean, or you might see something late on side
of the road, but then you know very shortly after
that that's going on now again. Animals can do that, right,
you know, coyotes, things like that. But sometimes some of
these were you know, the bigger deer and stuff like that,
they're just gone again, you know, is Bigfoot doing that?
Can't say one hundred percent, but yeah.
Speaker 1: Well not a bad deal. You go out to find
a big foot and you see a unexplained lightnus guy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we had that happen. What twice we had it
happened that uh what was it called Livermore. We were
we were all you know, it wasn't really total a
total bigfoot thing either, but we were with Patricia. So
that that's on a Paranormal Life the Lost Tapes and
the episode ironically Steve is called the s Files. I mean,
so we're down in our basement. Yeah, this is how
long ago? This was what about eleven years ago? So
we were we were investigating there and there's the pen
here Atage Trail and Patricia and I and a couple
other ones had went it went down further from where
Terry thenmore and we see this light. It's coming towards us.
It was white and it was kind of kind of
looked like it was bouncing, almost like a u Someone
was on the railroad walking with one of the lanterns
and it's on there. But you really can't see the light,
which is the weirdest thing. You could see it with
your eyes. But if you I'll call them back, that's
my you like my ringtone? Indiana Jonas, Oh, yeah, that's actually,
Dave Rupert, Steve so might you you could not see
the light with the camera. Soon as you put the
camera down, you saw it with your eyes. Weirdest freaking thing.
Weirdest freaking thing they had. So again, what was it?
Speaker 2: Well, it's definitely an association with this strange light phenomena first,
and then other things that car afters or in conjunction
with it.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, yeah, especially your phenomena which we researched also, and uh,
the or In the last probably last eight to ten years,
people have been been seeing these orbs we call them
light spheres or orbs whatever whatever your term, Okay, in
conjunction within an area of big foot sighting, sometimes preceding
a big foot sighting, sometimes after a big foot sighting.
Are they connected or they just too phenomena that occasionally
pass or interact. But people are talking about it, and
it was very taboo to talk about it after you know,
it's probably been about ten years before that was wasn't
talked about that one. Now more and more you.
Speaker 3: See that with pucklogy sightings as well.
Speaker 4: And here we call them type wonkas because the Wampanog
tribe had a ord for them before we were even
here at.
Speaker 3: The tow's happening.
Speaker 5: That's interesting. I never knew that. Thanks for that's that's cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so.
Speaker 2: It's little close to an English swell.
Speaker 3: I have to just said, really we can chat afterwards and.
Speaker 2: To an A and you've got the word, you know,
a w A and the rest of the.
Speaker 1: What do you what do you have taken her name
for your research group for?
Speaker 5: Like, oh, yeah, we called that. We call it l
A E, which we stands for light Anomaly Exploration. And unfortunately, Steve,
we tried when we were down there with the igloo.
We tried to use that inside of the igloo and
the the chip malfunction, the uh, the ship, the what
do you call it?
Speaker 1: He's talking about the igloos and the or or bunkers
in the T and T area where they used to
store explosives for World War two.
Speaker 5: And we wanted to do our which Steve, you know,
we have to get it back back working again, but
we still would like to come down to some time
and do that. Now. The funny story when we were
down there, I went and I tried the I went
back to the car to try to get the battery,
and I'm walking down the trail and I look and
I see two red two red, which I thought were
eyes in the woods. And I said, I told Steve,
I says, I said, out loud, you gotta be kidding me.
I'm looking. I'm I'm standing still because this was what
Steve about ten thirty eleven, I think something like that.
And there were two well weren't eyes. So I'm like
I moved, they stayed still. I'm like, I moved this way.
I'm like, so, I'm like this this doesn't sound so
I'm walking closer to it. Someone had put two red
reflectors inside of the woods on the trail that you
could see when the about eye level. And I'm like, shit,
I mean, I'm telling you. When I saw that, i'd
like said out loud, you gotta be kidding me.
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's the movement.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's the first thing you think because you're
out in Offman territory. And I took a picture of that.
Isn't that picture which you showed me when we went
we bantered back and forth.
Speaker 1: No, No, that's something else I found online. I don't
know where that comes.
Speaker 5: From, Okay, because I have a picture of it, I'm like,
I'm like, I put this scared that, you know what out?
I mean, everybody's laughing at me, Like if you were there,
you know, because it is a creepy place. I don't know, Susie,
if you've been there nope yet. Maybe Steve can take
you there next time you come down. But or Andy,
you probably haven't been there. But it is a creepy place, huh, Steve,
because you got to walk back.
Speaker 1: It's creepy in the daytime, super creepy at night.
Speaker 5: And we heard coyotes. Remember we got a little leary
about coyote. Sounded like they were coming real close, a
pack of them.
Speaker 1: Right, And I've never I never heard them out there
like that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they were close too. They were like there was
that little pond area. It seemed like they were on
the other side.
Speaker 1: But that was bizarre. So uh, now the upcoming UH conferences,
are there any do you know if any of the
speakers that are there any names that well?
Speaker 5: For Dan's uh, we've got Kevin Paul, the Psychic Vincent's sisters.
I don't know if you were there last time when
they did the gallery reading.
Speaker 1: I think I remember them, but I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't know James Crugg. I think you were there
when James Krugg was there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, and then that's it.
Speaker 5: That's the only three that I know of, now.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, all right. Anyway, Butler is a it's a
great conference. It's it's still what fifteen dollars or something
like that.
Speaker 5: I think it's twenty now twenty.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's still. That's a great price all day. Always
he always gets a variety of speakers, you know, it's
not all the same thing. And uh, you know there's
there's food there that's available.
Speaker 5: And the raffles. Steve just comes for the raffles. That's
all you say.
Speaker 1: I won one time I want something.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we have more raffles for conference, I think than
anybody I know, right right, I mean, yeah.
Speaker 1: Come for the raffle. Forget about the cryptids.
Speaker 5: Forget about the cryptids and the ghosts and whatever else
we're talking about.
Speaker 1: Now, you're you're reading that doctor or you have read
doctor Simeon Hines book.
Speaker 5: Yes, Mark Matter Monster, excellent reading that.
Speaker 1: Now I've got to I mean it's hard. There's a
lot of interesting concepts there, yes, and I've got to
read it again. What are the books any other books
you can recommend it you've read fairly recently this past
year that stand out for you.
Speaker 5: I read this segment's book The Pale Moonlight. Oh yeah,
I'm reading one of Jeff talking to loan Me Ohio Monsters. Okay,
there's a couple of really cool stories I never knew
at about possible prehistoric creatures and things that really really interesting.
Speaker 1: I did not know this. Yeah, And Linda Segmund was
just for just a second. She was sixteen years old
in April of sixty seven, and she and her boyfriend
were about ten miles north of Point Pleasant, sitting on
the hood of the car. And to really condense it,
they saw some kind of a strange light, and then
they saw another one. He decided, let's get the hell
out of here. But she's looking out the window and
she sees some kind of a wing creature following this
light or flying next to the light, and then and
then they had missing time. There's an another situation where
a town official had went into a trance mentioned in
the Mockmann prophecies, and he lost ten or fifteen minutes.
He was out on his front porch saw this thing there.
So missing time has been associated with this thing. And
then early December of sixty seven, just a couple of
weeks before the bridge collapsed, she's down in downtown Point
Pleasant and she sees this. You know, they were seeing
these men in black around, but they just thought they
were government people. So she sees these guys. They've got
you know, the classic black suit, black fedora, dark sunglasses,
and she passes by one of them and she said
the skin looked kind of grayish. She was just really weird.
And she came out and saw another one leaning up
against the lamp post, and she just assumed it was
government or whatever. But years later, when the Mockmann prophecies
came out, she thought, my god, these are classic men black.
So she's a very credible lady, and she's been on
the show before.
Speaker 5: Go ahead, Brian, Yeah, those are two of the most
recent books. Now, Terry will tell you, I'm not the
kind that I read a book from front to cover,
you know, you know, or to cover to the end.
I'll get a book and I'll read one or two
chapters they and rite another book.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm reading Jacques Blaise, volume six of his Forbidden Science.
You know, he did his his journals, his memoirs, and
so the first one in the sixties, seventies, eighties, nineties,
and then twenty you know, up to twenty ten, and
so this fascinating stuff. So I'm going through that. I
usually read when I'm at a restaurant, you know, I
you know, if I'm distracted about stuff in the house,
if I go to a restaurant, I've got my book.
I can I can go to Tudor's Biscuit World and
they don't throw you out. You can have endless cups
of coffee and they yeah, they know I'm the Mothman guy,
and they see me with my nose in a book
all the time. There.
Speaker 5: So, so Steve the one book I think I want
to go back and reread his. I mean, I tend
to tag you every time. This is Sky Creatures by
Trevor James cons Oh.
Speaker 1: My god, Yes, well it's the original one. Was they
Live in the Sky? Oh and that was U and
that was back when he was actually Uh now, Andy,
what was there was a book you read that? Uh? God?
Was it Andrews Common Andrews or.
Speaker 2: Yes? The Light there was The Lights Bearers. Yes, that's
basically the same kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Remember, the print is so incredibly small in that book.
I wish they'd blow it up because even with with
my specs, it's hard to see. But he covers uh,
Wilhelm Reich and cover James Constable, fascinating stuff.
Speaker 2: There was Circle Makers, which is the early one on
the topic, and there's light Bearers. I think It's cool,
which is a more in depth examination of the of
the phenomenon. He wrote later on. Yes, it's something that
he's a lot about.
Speaker 5: Susie, do we have a Puckwadgi book coming?
Speaker 4: Oh, we have a couple of books coming. I'm actively
working on the Puckwadji book. But then I also got
I was voluntold. I'm going to call it to write
a book about indigenous stonework in southeast New England, and
that is obviously nonfiction and heavily Uh it's a very
intense research project. So the Puckuagie book is also research.
But that is kind of what I'm working on in
between when I need a break from the super heavy stuff.
Speaker 5: So are you gonna have drawings in there? I am.
Speaker 3: There are a.
Speaker 4: Couple of people that I actually want to ask to
do some drawing, specifically for me. So I'm not promising
anything soon, but I do well, I'm going to commit
to having both of these books done by the time
I'm eighty.
Speaker 5: You got a little time on that, right.
Speaker 1: I would say the same thing, but it gives me
about eight years, so I don't know that's the same thing.
Speaker 5: It will give me twenty years.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of pressure. Although I do have part
of it written, I just haven't written much lately. But
I just don't have the maguffin. I don't have the
thing that's gonna pull it all together.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: I've got like, yeah, I've got like a mad scientist
layer over here with books and notes and my lap
I have two different laptops and a tablet and yeah,
so I have stuff written.
Speaker 3: It's just not all in one place yet.
Speaker 5: You know, I gotta get you down the Butler. That
would be yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I've been trying to get to the Mothman Festival,
but you know, I've got Jeff's ear. But you know,
I don't know what what's going on. I mentioned I
mentioned to you again recently as soon.
Speaker 5: As you so you should do that.
Speaker 3: We should just move it up here and then I'll
do it it's very far away from me.
Speaker 5: I was the festival.
Speaker 1: Oh, it was fun. It was excellent. Jeff had a
really good crowd day. This is the first year they
did two days, okay, Saturday and Sunday, and Jeff was
on the second day and we drove up there on
Sunday with his son in law Dusty Okay, and uh
it's always well attended.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: I I was happy for Jeff Craig because you know,
you never never know how the second day is going
to go. Ye was very very well crowded, and and
Jeff had a great turnout for his Uh I.
Speaker 5: Saw that, Yeah, I remarked, I'm like, wow, what a crowd.
Speaker 2: Yeah that was.
Speaker 1: That was really good. So uh and you know you've
got get all these people parading around in frogman costumes
and uh so I'll have to have to send send
you some pictures Andy. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I'm saying, I'm thinking of scuba divers, a bunch
of scuba dives in my head. I'm always very envious
to you guys. We get very few conferences like that over.
Speaker 5: Here, you know, and so we get too many.
Speaker 4: They have hall down there if so, it's Old England
and New England. I mean, we have a couple in
New England, but they're not like the ones those guys
have down there.
Speaker 2: You have most Witchcraft and cot conferences over here that
we got the Exeter.
Speaker 4: There's Exeter and then they had one in Connecticut for
the first time last year.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'll ever go to Exeter again.
That's a long haul man. Yeah, and it's expensive because
the motels it was it's around uh Labor Day, but
and the prices haven't come down so well, you really
get nailed.
Speaker 4: Is that the time you had I hop and it
was so expensive you've been complaining about it.
Speaker 1: Yes, Well, I went went with Macloney's Military X files
we uh last year. They didn't invite us, but a
couple of years, a couple of years before that, we
would do like a panel thing where there be three
of us at a table there. But I went out
for I Hop in the morning and I just about
had to re mortgage my house to afford it. That
the New England prices I hop in this part of
the country isn't quite so bad. I went to I
hop in Iowa last was it last year? For the
Van Meter Visitor Festival and uh, the prices were drastically reduced.
Speaker 2: So as another American US, what's I holp.
Speaker 3: Of pancakes.
Speaker 5: Or for Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'll tell you what my charge card was
smoking afterwards. Well, uh, any other questions for Brian and
anything Brian, anything else you want to say before we
close it up?
Speaker 5: No, I mean if if you live in pa Ohio,
West Virginia, have you've seen anything, just you know, contact
us center for you can. We have two Facebook pages,
Center for Cryptozoological Studies and Center for Unexplained Events. You
could message us there or our email is Center for
Crypto Studies at gmail dot com. Yeah, that's what it is.
Speaker 1: And again, what's the date for Butler twenty fifth?
Speaker 5: Right April twenty fifth? Pretty sure? Saturday? Last Saturday, which
I think is a twenty fifth okay, And well I'll
send you shoot you message before that just to make
sure you're coming and what day you're.
Speaker 1: Coming in Okay. And it's at the tangle with Center
Technical and Lindora right next to Yes, right next to Butler.
And uh, it's like I say, it's a great BRANDU
wor worth going to. It's it's it's affordable, very affordable.
And uh and the the next conference, you've got one
at the end of the very end of the month
or no, mid mid months.
Speaker 5: Well, the other conference is the pen Ohio conference, and
that's in uh I forget brook brook Field, Ohio. Okay,
Ohio conference.
Speaker 1: Okay, they can they can google it and find it. Okay,
very good. Well, heck it sounds good. I uh so
if you guys agreed agree to feed me, I'll definitely
be okay, very good.
Speaker 5: She's a good cook. She's a really good I know,
I know.
Speaker 1: Hey, I'm not complaining. Uh, Susie and any other closing
comments or remarks.
Speaker 2: It's been in good shouts, they've enjoyed.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's been fun. It's been fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I like to talk with people who've been in it
a long time, and you know, looking.
Speaker 2: Now for next year.
Speaker 1: Yes, wait, we might even have you, you know, before
the seventh anniversary.
Speaker 5: There you go. Well, yeah, I mean, you know, we're
home at night, so.
Speaker 1: It pays the same. So yeah, all right, well let's
let's close her down, close down these sixams.
Speaker 5: We'll see. Thank you thanks for having me on. I
had a time, okay, all right, take care.
Speaker 1: All right, thanks thanks Brian. All right. The High Strangers
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