WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.879 --> 00:00:07.240 All right, welcome back, and joining us now is Ryan 2 00:00:07.320 --> 00:00:10.839 Christian from the Last American Vagabond. I wanted to get 3 00:00:10.880 --> 00:00:14.560 his he's not part of the of the left right, 4 00:00:14.560 --> 00:00:17.920 Hegelian two step here, so I want to get his 5 00:00:18.000 --> 00:00:21.120 take on the politics, because you know, it's just going 6 00:00:21.199 --> 00:00:23.280 to be he said, she said for most of the media, 7 00:00:23.640 --> 00:00:25.480 we're going to take a different approach to this. And 8 00:00:25.480 --> 00:00:27.000 I also wanted to get him on because they're going 9 00:00:27.039 --> 00:00:31.640 to be having live coverage of the UN summit, the 10 00:00:31.800 --> 00:00:33.920 pack for the future that's going to be happening there. 11 00:00:33.960 --> 00:00:36.320 That's a very concerning thing that we need to have 12 00:00:36.359 --> 00:00:39.479 all eyes on because they keep playing this game over 13 00:00:39.479 --> 00:00:41.560 and over again. But joining us now is Ryan Christian 14 00:00:41.600 --> 00:00:44.240 of the Last American Vagabond. Thank you for joining us. 15 00:00:44.200 --> 00:00:46.359 Ryan, Yay, my pleasure. David, good to see again. 16 00:00:46.479 --> 00:00:48.880 Good see you. What was your take on the pageant 17 00:00:48.920 --> 00:00:49.359 last night? 18 00:00:50.479 --> 00:00:53.039 You just write something up right there as the pageant 19 00:00:53.119 --> 00:00:56.719 or theater. I mean, what's interesting is to be completely transparent. 20 00:00:56.759 --> 00:00:58.240 I didn't watch the entire thing, and I have a 21 00:00:58.280 --> 00:00:59.960 hard time doing that these days in general. 22 00:01:00.240 --> 00:01:02.479 I know I didn't watch the whole thing either. I 23 00:01:02.520 --> 00:01:04.599 had to get away from it. I had a friend 24 00:01:04.719 --> 00:01:06.680 send me a text message and said, this is crazy. 25 00:01:06.840 --> 00:01:08.760 My dad's listening to it in one side of the house. 26 00:01:08.879 --> 00:01:10.400 My wife is listening to it on the other side. 27 00:01:10.439 --> 00:01:12.640 There I got nowhere to go get away from it. 28 00:01:13.519 --> 00:01:16.000 Well, you know what's funny is I make the same 29 00:01:16.040 --> 00:01:18.519 point around like the State Department briefings, the White House briefing. 30 00:01:18.560 --> 00:01:20.640 It's just painful these days. Yeah, I mean, even the 31 00:01:20.640 --> 00:01:22.519 people in the room, the way they engage with them. 32 00:01:22.599 --> 00:01:25.640 It's the point is that if I take the time 33 00:01:25.719 --> 00:01:27.439 to really go through it, I'm going to have to 34 00:01:27.480 --> 00:01:29.239 take notes because I'm going to want to address it. 35 00:01:29.359 --> 00:01:31.159 And it's like I end up with like forty five 36 00:01:31.200 --> 00:01:32.879 pages of notes of like you know, it probably take 37 00:01:32.920 --> 00:01:34.680 me four hours to cover all the lies that were 38 00:01:34.719 --> 00:01:36.439 put out. But what I tend to do is look 39 00:01:36.439 --> 00:01:38.480 at the you know, the different kind of highlights and 40 00:01:38.560 --> 00:01:41.359 of the supports, the parts people are highlighting from what 41 00:01:41.400 --> 00:01:44.079 they thought was important, and then if important enough, I 42 00:01:44.079 --> 00:01:46.079 do tend to go back through it. But overall my 43 00:01:46.439 --> 00:01:48.120 impression of it, because I was looking at it more 44 00:01:48.159 --> 00:01:51.760 this morning, it is different than I think people expected. 45 00:01:51.920 --> 00:01:54.879 But I'm very right out of the gate. 46 00:01:55.120 --> 00:01:57.159 I want your audience to know that this year, more 47 00:01:57.200 --> 00:02:00.799 than ever or this cycle, I feel that there's more 48 00:02:00.879 --> 00:02:03.480 coordinated effort that I've seen in the past. And that 49 00:02:03.519 --> 00:02:05.599 could just be my own personal kind of feeling about it, 50 00:02:05.760 --> 00:02:07.719 but I'm saying that because I tend to feel like 51 00:02:08.280 --> 00:02:11.120 we should be skeptical or questioning more than usual whether 52 00:02:11.159 --> 00:02:13.479 these things are like being highly coordinated. 53 00:02:13.560 --> 00:02:15.759 I just want to put that out there, my personal opinion. Well, 54 00:02:15.879 --> 00:02:16.159 we can't. 55 00:02:16.400 --> 00:02:18.039 The way they got her in, I mean, no, she 56 00:02:18.120 --> 00:02:21.000 hasn't gotten a single point, a single vote point that 57 00:02:21.039 --> 00:02:22.400 a lot of people are trying to make out there. 58 00:02:22.479 --> 00:02:25.960 She's just installed. You know, well, she got less than 59 00:02:26.000 --> 00:02:28.120 one percent when she ran as a candidate four years ago. 60 00:02:28.840 --> 00:02:30.680 The thing about that, though, I find interesting, is I 61 00:02:30.680 --> 00:02:33.159 think a lot of this is about sort of doing 62 00:02:33.199 --> 00:02:35.639 the thing that's actually the reality, like kind of making 63 00:02:35.719 --> 00:02:37.439 like the point is that we already know the primaries 64 00:02:37.439 --> 00:02:40.159 are kind of an illusion, like the d NCNA. That clear, 65 00:02:40.199 --> 00:02:42.240 but let's not pretend it's only one side. They don't 66 00:02:42.240 --> 00:02:44.360 really have to do what we want anyway, So the 67 00:02:44.360 --> 00:02:46.240 fact that didn't happen is sort of like, well, we 68 00:02:46.360 --> 00:02:48.560 like it, doesn't I mean, it should happen if it 69 00:02:48.599 --> 00:02:50.680 was actually being done properly, but it wasn't. So it's 70 00:02:50.719 --> 00:02:52.960 kind of like a you know, that's where that's at now. 71 00:02:52.960 --> 00:02:54.400 I feel like you're trying to shove these things in 72 00:02:54.439 --> 00:02:56.599 your face. But to the point about the actual back 73 00:02:56.639 --> 00:02:59.680 and forth, it ended up to show where ultimately it 74 00:02:59.719 --> 00:03:02.759 seemed that Kamala Harris the week's leading up to it 75 00:03:02.800 --> 00:03:05.000 was almost I don't know whether intentionally, but she was 76 00:03:05.479 --> 00:03:08.280 like she did very airhead comments, like she was I 77 00:03:08.280 --> 00:03:09.919 didn't know what's going on all the time. But then 78 00:03:10.000 --> 00:03:11.919 she came out in this debate and seemed to put 79 00:03:11.960 --> 00:03:14.319 forward a very you know, most of her responses seemed 80 00:03:14.319 --> 00:03:18.759 to be pretty good to highlight the claims of Trump 81 00:03:18.759 --> 00:03:20.280 that were accurate and so on, but the same to 82 00:03:20.319 --> 00:03:23.439 the point was that everyone's making the moderators seem to 83 00:03:23.439 --> 00:03:26.159 only apply that fact checking their aspect of one side 84 00:03:26.159 --> 00:03:29.400 of the discussion, which is true, but they're all lying 85 00:03:29.439 --> 00:03:30.840 all the time in my opinion, So it's sort of 86 00:03:30.919 --> 00:03:33.360 like a coordinated thing right there. But it did end 87 00:03:33.439 --> 00:03:35.680 up in a way to seem to highlight that Trump 88 00:03:36.199 --> 00:03:37.960 wasn't as strong in a lot of the things that 89 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:40.639 they were pretending. You know, I just was clear in 90 00:03:40.639 --> 00:03:42.360 my opinion, they're both pretty much the same thing, and 91 00:03:42.400 --> 00:03:45.000 they're both justice dis honest. The way this went out 92 00:03:45.479 --> 00:03:47.439 or ended up sort of, I don't know. It makes 93 00:03:47.479 --> 00:03:50.520 me wonder whether or not this might go a different way. 94 00:03:50.639 --> 00:03:52.159 My opinion is I think Trump is sort of the 95 00:03:52.159 --> 00:03:55.400 selection with all this. But either way, everyone seems to 96 00:03:55.439 --> 00:03:57.520 be in the same page that it didn't really change anything. 97 00:03:57.719 --> 00:04:00.719 People who are voting already made their mind up the moment. 98 00:04:00.759 --> 00:04:02.879 These people were down their candidacy, and that's the real 99 00:04:02.919 --> 00:04:06.719 problem with our current political dynamic. It's really it's all 100 00:04:06.759 --> 00:04:08.840 boiled down to that person a little bit worse than 101 00:04:08.840 --> 00:04:10.400 what I might be forced into. 102 00:04:10.599 --> 00:04:12.199 And that's so childish at the end of the day. 103 00:04:12.240 --> 00:04:13.680 And so that's kind of where I think it ended up. 104 00:04:13.719 --> 00:04:16.759 It was theater. It was entertainment, and that's what I. 105 00:04:16.720 --> 00:04:18.959 Talked about yesterday and the run up to this. I 106 00:04:19.000 --> 00:04:21.879 played a clip from Thomas Massey, who's just had enough 107 00:04:21.879 --> 00:04:24.040 of this stuff. You get a clip here, we're going 108 00:04:24.120 --> 00:04:27.480 to do another theater. I've been involved in this. Don't 109 00:04:27.480 --> 00:04:29.839 expect me to be an actor in this play again. 110 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:32.680 Yet again. You always come up with the last minute 111 00:04:32.720 --> 00:04:37.199 continuing resolutions, so you can justify throwing everything into one 112 00:04:37.360 --> 00:04:41.600 giant basket called the omnibus bill. And that's really kind 113 00:04:41.600 --> 00:04:44.920 of in a sense, what happens with our political with 114 00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:45.920 our presidential race. 115 00:04:46.040 --> 00:04:46.199 Right. 116 00:04:46.759 --> 00:04:49.560 I got an omnibus candidate over here, and I've got 117 00:04:49.600 --> 00:04:52.720 another omnibus candidate over there, and both of them. It's 118 00:04:52.759 --> 00:04:54.120 like if you went to the grocery store to buy 119 00:04:54.120 --> 00:04:56.480 groceries and say, sorry, you can't do any shopping yourself. 120 00:04:56.639 --> 00:04:59.160 You can't make your own choices. You can pick. We've 121 00:04:59.199 --> 00:05:01.680 prepared two backs skits for you. This is what then 122 00:05:01.759 --> 00:05:03.959 basket A, this is what's in basket B. Which one 123 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:05.439 of those two baskets do you want? And oh, by 124 00:05:05.480 --> 00:05:07.279 the way, you're going to have to eat everything that 125 00:05:07.360 --> 00:05:09.319 you take on, you know. And it's like, well, wait 126 00:05:09.319 --> 00:05:11.959 a minute, but that's what elections are. It isn't like 127 00:05:12.000 --> 00:05:14.680 an a la carte. I want this or this or 128 00:05:14.680 --> 00:05:19.720 this and the government. Increasingly, it's now become orthodoxy of 129 00:05:19.839 --> 00:05:22.920 both parties that the government should do everything. You know, 130 00:05:22.920 --> 00:05:27.959 when Trump, they hectored him over Medicare for all or 131 00:05:27.959 --> 00:05:31.920 whatever and what he was going to do about Obamacare, 132 00:05:32.279 --> 00:05:34.759 and he says, well, I you know, I have a plan, 133 00:05:34.879 --> 00:05:37.040 I've got a concept of a plan and all the rest. 134 00:05:37.279 --> 00:05:39.600 But he never questioned the issue of whether or not 135 00:05:39.600 --> 00:05:42.279 the government should be involved in our healthcare. See, and 136 00:05:42.319 --> 00:05:45.759 that used to it was only when Hillary Clinton, when 137 00:05:45.800 --> 00:05:50.480 the Clintons got in. That was what thirty thirty one, 138 00:05:50.600 --> 00:05:55.600 thirty two years ago, that was when they first started saying, well, 139 00:05:55.600 --> 00:05:57.040 we want to have the government run healthcare in the 140 00:05:57.120 --> 00:05:59.439 United States. And that was a big issue. But now 141 00:05:59.519 --> 00:06:02.600 both parts days have bought into that presumption that the 142 00:06:02.639 --> 00:06:06.480 government run healthcare. The question is can Trump run healthcare 143 00:06:06.519 --> 00:06:08.160 better than Wallack can run health right? 144 00:06:08.519 --> 00:06:08.680 Right? 145 00:06:08.720 --> 00:06:10.439 And See, that's the same point, isn't it. It's the 146 00:06:10.439 --> 00:06:11.079 exact same point. 147 00:06:11.120 --> 00:06:14.079 It's all being distilled down to this binary dynamic where 148 00:06:14.120 --> 00:06:17.079 it's the reality nobody, the vast majority does not have 149 00:06:17.279 --> 00:06:20.439 their needs met if honestly ever with that dynamic, you know, 150 00:06:20.680 --> 00:06:22.759 but the point to see is not just that it's 151 00:06:22.800 --> 00:06:24.839 always just two choices that aren't the reality. What we 152 00:06:24.879 --> 00:06:27.639 want is that they use the illusion of the back 153 00:06:27.639 --> 00:06:29.519 and forth to bring you into that. The point you 154 00:06:29.560 --> 00:06:32.240 made about the healthcare so important because I mean, there's 155 00:06:32.240 --> 00:06:34.839 a valid conversation to be had about why there are 156 00:06:34.879 --> 00:06:36.720 people and I could take it a further step back 157 00:06:36.720 --> 00:06:39.959 and acknowledge it's because of other government lacking in policies, 158 00:06:40.160 --> 00:06:42.800 but that are in need in situations where they can't 159 00:06:42.839 --> 00:06:45.439 get what they might need and so on. But I 160 00:06:45.439 --> 00:06:47.800 would I always lean on the side of less government 161 00:06:47.839 --> 00:06:49.560 to liberty in the same way, even though that would 162 00:06:49.600 --> 00:06:51.639 bring about problems. The point is I can understan why 163 00:06:51.680 --> 00:06:54.279 there might be an argument abound around medicare for all 164 00:06:54.399 --> 00:06:56.120 kind of things. But that was my first point. It's like, 165 00:06:56.199 --> 00:06:57.839 I'm like, well, hold on, we just saw what they 166 00:06:57.879 --> 00:07:00.439 would do through COVID nineteen, Like how can we even 167 00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:01.639 ignore how those things? 168 00:07:01.800 --> 00:07:03.120 You know, it's obvious what they would do. 169 00:07:03.360 --> 00:07:05.199 But to your point is that it comes to a 170 00:07:05.240 --> 00:07:07.920 position now where instead of acknowledging that maybe we shouldn't 171 00:07:07.959 --> 00:07:10.800 even have them involved, they drive you in a position 172 00:07:10.839 --> 00:07:14.160 where you're like, well, hers stance on government controlling everything 173 00:07:14.279 --> 00:07:15.959 is a little bit worse than his stance on the 174 00:07:16.000 --> 00:07:18.319 government controlling everything, and that amounts to the same thing. 175 00:07:18.519 --> 00:07:20.319 The basket thing is a great analogy, and I'm gonna 176 00:07:20.319 --> 00:07:21.680 have to use that. And the point is not just 177 00:07:21.800 --> 00:07:24.079 yet to eat all You're not going to get half 178 00:07:24.120 --> 00:07:25.519 of what you want and half of it might I mean, 179 00:07:25.519 --> 00:07:27.240 the brands your life. But too bad, those are your choices. 180 00:07:27.279 --> 00:07:29.560 You know, that's crazy. You get home and you find 181 00:07:29.600 --> 00:07:33.399 that the boxes are empty. There's yeah, any. 182 00:07:32.920 --> 00:07:34.680 Corn flakes in this thing. You know, it's just an 183 00:07:34.680 --> 00:07:38.319 empty box. Wait a minute, that's supposed to be border patrol. 184 00:07:38.839 --> 00:07:39.680 There's nothing in there. 185 00:07:39.720 --> 00:07:39.839 You know. 186 00:07:39.839 --> 00:07:42.800 I voted for a border patrol or whatever you voted for. Yeah, 187 00:07:43.240 --> 00:07:45.279 you go back and you look at it, like you 188 00:07:45.319 --> 00:07:48.360 point out that, how do we like government running our healthcare? 189 00:07:48.439 --> 00:07:51.399 Four years ago? I hated that, But of course Trump 190 00:07:51.480 --> 00:07:53.519 thought it was a great deal. He thought he saved lives. 191 00:07:53.560 --> 00:07:56.000 And he goes back to this old nonsense about the 192 00:07:56.040 --> 00:07:59.079 nineteen seventeen flu epidemic again to defend what he did. 193 00:07:59.120 --> 00:08:01.240 And you know, he didn't make any mistakes. All the 194 00:08:01.240 --> 00:08:04.000 mistakes that were made in his administration were because of 195 00:08:04.040 --> 00:08:07.240 the germ game that they played on us. It's just 196 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:10.319 insane what they're doing. But they do this over and 197 00:08:10.399 --> 00:08:13.759 over again, and everybody, you know, keeps falling into this 198 00:08:13.920 --> 00:08:17.439 same thing. I have so many of these, you know, 199 00:08:18.959 --> 00:08:21.759 a long time ago, when I was much younger, I 200 00:08:21.759 --> 00:08:23.480 would hang on these things and I would think about 201 00:08:23.480 --> 00:08:26.040 what what they're doing and how it's trying to be 202 00:08:26.360 --> 00:08:27.959 you know, how I was going to be perceived by 203 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:29.720 the other side. It was going to be to this 204 00:08:29.759 --> 00:08:32.559 guy's advanger. I'm just so far beyond that. I'm Mike 205 00:08:32.600 --> 00:08:35.679 Thomas Massey's like, I've seen this play before, and I 206 00:08:35.759 --> 00:08:38.840 know that this is just fake and it's just to 207 00:08:38.960 --> 00:08:41.000 keep people distracted from doing the real things that are 208 00:08:41.039 --> 00:08:42.320 going to make a difference in their life. 209 00:08:42.559 --> 00:08:45.879 Can I cover on that point alone? Like, it's so funny. 210 00:08:45.879 --> 00:08:50.279 I was just thinking about this yesterday. It's difficult to engage, Like, 211 00:08:50.679 --> 00:08:53.159 for what we're doing, David, we have to be open 212 00:08:53.200 --> 00:08:55.679 minded enough to engage with the people that are you know, 213 00:08:55.720 --> 00:08:57.879 maybe they just literally for the first time in their life, 214 00:08:57.919 --> 00:09:00.159 decided to look into politics today, you know, And we 215 00:09:00.200 --> 00:09:02.000 have to be open minded enough to be like, okay, 216 00:09:02.320 --> 00:09:04.480 that we've gone through so much more in the scene here, 217 00:09:04.519 --> 00:09:05.840 and also that we could just be wrong. 218 00:09:05.960 --> 00:09:06.200 You know. 219 00:09:06.559 --> 00:09:08.240 The problem the reason I'm saying all this is that 220 00:09:08.600 --> 00:09:10.360 I'm I'm at the point where you where you're saying 221 00:09:10.399 --> 00:09:13.120 right there, where I'm having a really hard time engaging 222 00:09:15.000 --> 00:09:17.480 honestly with people that are taking some of these things seriously, 223 00:09:17.519 --> 00:09:18.960 and so I have to temper myself. 224 00:09:19.000 --> 00:09:20.960 I'm like, I can't be rude. I can't. 225 00:09:21.039 --> 00:09:23.240 But it's really difficult because some of this stuff is 226 00:09:23.279 --> 00:09:26.320 so cartoonish and so obviously against our interests that it's 227 00:09:26.360 --> 00:09:28.600 hard for me to engage with this as if I 228 00:09:28.720 --> 00:09:30.519 might want to get you know, it could be the option. 229 00:09:30.840 --> 00:09:33.440 It's just difficult, you know, But it's I've got to 230 00:09:33.480 --> 00:09:35.519 be open minded enough to consider there might be other options. 231 00:09:35.519 --> 00:09:38.399 But like what Thomas Massey is saying is that it's 232 00:09:38.440 --> 00:09:39.879 it's not necessarily that that. 233 00:09:40.200 --> 00:09:41.159 Like, I think what we're. 234 00:09:41.039 --> 00:09:43.879 Saying is that it's like an obvious manipulation where both 235 00:09:43.919 --> 00:09:46.759 sides are dishonest. I mean, he's kind of saying that, 236 00:09:46.799 --> 00:09:48.879 but he's also really just saying that they just give 237 00:09:48.960 --> 00:09:50.519 up with the end, like they want to save act, 238 00:09:50.639 --> 00:09:51.679 but at the end of the day, they kind of 239 00:09:51.720 --> 00:09:52.679 know that they're not going to get it. 240 00:09:52.720 --> 00:09:54.080 So it's more theater in that way. 241 00:09:54.080 --> 00:09:56.279 But even if you take his point explit just that 242 00:09:56.360 --> 00:09:58.879 being the only problem, it shows you that they are 243 00:09:58.919 --> 00:10:02.240 still lying to everyone that they're talking to, the convincing 244 00:10:02.279 --> 00:10:04.080 them that they're going to get this, and the reality 245 00:10:04.080 --> 00:10:06.240 being it's only going to come around to the if 246 00:10:06.279 --> 00:10:09.039 ever at a point when it's not necessary or after 247 00:10:09.080 --> 00:10:10.759 the fact when they think they need it for the election, 248 00:10:11.039 --> 00:10:12.879 and all of that ultimately, which we could touch on 249 00:10:13.039 --> 00:10:14.759 I think as a trojan horse to the digital ID 250 00:10:15.039 --> 00:10:17.240 which overlaps in the back for the future. But the 251 00:10:17.279 --> 00:10:19.440 point is, however you look at it, we're all being played, 252 00:10:19.600 --> 00:10:22.039 and people like Massy, whether he's playing a role that 253 00:10:22.080 --> 00:10:24.480 I'm just being skeptical here as the one that kind 254 00:10:24.480 --> 00:10:26.440 of the revelation of the method comes out and shows 255 00:10:26.440 --> 00:10:28.679 you so you gain the support and you know that 256 00:10:28.759 --> 00:10:31.799 happens too. Whether whatever it is, it's the truth and 257 00:10:31.840 --> 00:10:32.919 we are being played, you know. 258 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:36.559 Yeah, there was an interesting article today, I'm Brownstone at 259 00:10:36.600 --> 00:10:39.559 Jeffrey Tucker, So that's whatever happened to libertarianism. He said 260 00:10:40.039 --> 00:10:42.360 this should have been in twenty twenty and on. It 261 00:10:42.399 --> 00:10:45.000 should have been their moment to shine. Yeah, and I 262 00:10:45.120 --> 00:10:48.000 was just so it's like, yes, yes, he nailed it 263 00:10:48.440 --> 00:10:51.399 exactly right, because you know, when you look at what 264 00:10:51.519 --> 00:10:56.320 happened to the libertarian movement, small L and big L 265 00:10:56.440 --> 00:10:59.480 the Libertarian Party, there was only one candidate that I 266 00:10:59.519 --> 00:11:02.960 could find, and that was actually taking on the lockdown. 267 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:06.840 That was Donald Rainwater in Indiana, who is running for governor. 268 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:09.639 He's running again this time, and he's got some really 269 00:11:09.799 --> 00:11:13.679 good economic issues that I had him on we talked about, 270 00:11:13.759 --> 00:11:15.720 but he was the only one who was pushing back 271 00:11:15.720 --> 00:11:17.639 against it. And all of a sudden, he's up like 272 00:11:17.759 --> 00:11:20.559 fifteen sixteen points or something like that in the polls. 273 00:11:20.600 --> 00:11:23.519 And of course, what we always see happen is that 274 00:11:23.559 --> 00:11:25.879 as you start get close to the election date, everybody 275 00:11:25.919 --> 00:11:28.879 reverts back to their tribe, you know, and so they'll 276 00:11:28.879 --> 00:11:30.639 say they're going to vote for an independent or a 277 00:11:30.679 --> 00:11:32.559 third party candidate, but then they go back, they fall 278 00:11:32.600 --> 00:11:35.080 back into well, I'm going to vote for a Republican or 279 00:11:35.120 --> 00:11:37.080 vote for a Democrat. That type of thing always happens. 280 00:11:37.320 --> 00:11:40.159 But while he was doing that, I was so disappointed 281 00:11:40.200 --> 00:11:44.120 to see the National Libertarian Party was completely a wall 282 00:11:44.600 --> 00:11:48.480 and what Jeffrey Tucker talked about. And I didn't realize 283 00:11:49.080 --> 00:11:52.879 that because I have not really followed them since then. 284 00:11:53.080 --> 00:11:54.960 You know, it's like, okay, we're done. I used to 285 00:11:55.000 --> 00:11:56.879 be very active in the Libertarian Party, and it's like 286 00:11:57.039 --> 00:12:01.120 that's that's it. After what happened twenty twenty. But this 287 00:12:01.240 --> 00:12:04.919 time around Jeffrey Tucker says, the guy that's running for 288 00:12:05.039 --> 00:12:08.200 president and the Libertarian Party, he was out there telling 289 00:12:08.200 --> 00:12:09.799 people they needed to wear a mask. It was a 290 00:12:09.919 --> 00:12:12.679 cheerleader for Packslovid and all the rest of this stuff, 291 00:12:12.679 --> 00:12:15.519 and shaming people if they didn't follow this. And really 292 00:12:15.559 --> 00:12:18.840 the presidential canate was about as bad in twenty twenty 293 00:12:18.879 --> 00:12:20.679 as he is. But here's a guy that you know, 294 00:12:20.879 --> 00:12:23.600 now for a couple of election cycles, this has happened, 295 00:12:23.639 --> 00:12:25.720 he says, So what's happened to the intellectual movement? We've 296 00:12:25.759 --> 00:12:30.279 really lost that idea of the constitution of individual liberty 297 00:12:30.279 --> 00:12:32.480 that's just really been flushed to the side. For the 298 00:12:32.480 --> 00:12:33.879 most part of it. 299 00:12:33.879 --> 00:12:36.039 It's the same as always, you know, and it shouldn't 300 00:12:36.039 --> 00:12:39.480 be that we this will It's always the way this 301 00:12:39.559 --> 00:12:41.200 has gone as far as I can tell. Doesn't mean 302 00:12:41.200 --> 00:12:43.559 it can't change in the future. So I always want 303 00:12:43.600 --> 00:12:44.879 to make sure we're you know, thinking about this. 304 00:12:44.879 --> 00:12:45.240 Hopefully. 305 00:12:45.360 --> 00:12:47.159 I do believe we can't change, which is why they're 306 00:12:47.159 --> 00:12:49.799 trying to suppress we're talking about. But it's like the 307 00:12:49.799 --> 00:12:52.440 Green Party or anything else, you know, it very rapidly 308 00:12:52.440 --> 00:12:54.759 gets co opted by the same corporate entities and the 309 00:12:54.759 --> 00:12:57.679 same power structures that want to keep us falling into 310 00:12:57.679 --> 00:12:59.320 the left right paradigm. And you know, and to your 311 00:12:59.320 --> 00:13:01.480 point about people falling in line at the end, it's 312 00:13:01.679 --> 00:13:04.279 we're seeing more aggressively now than I think I've ever seen, 313 00:13:04.480 --> 00:13:06.799 which is you just how vulnerable it is right now. 314 00:13:06.960 --> 00:13:09.600 But that it got very quickly dialed in, you know, 315 00:13:09.679 --> 00:13:12.039 like usually we hear it every year, most important election 316 00:13:12.080 --> 00:13:12.679 of our lifetime. 317 00:13:13.039 --> 00:13:14.320 Very quickly we saw it happen. 318 00:13:14.360 --> 00:13:17.039 Both Kamala and Trump were like gushing about how this 319 00:13:17.360 --> 00:13:19.080 everything will end if we don't vote one way or 320 00:13:19.120 --> 00:13:21.360 the other this time. And the problem is that it's 321 00:13:21.480 --> 00:13:24.000 just it's people want to do what they believe in. 322 00:13:24.279 --> 00:13:26.000 They want to you know, I want to vote libertarian, 323 00:13:26.039 --> 00:13:28.000 I want to vote Green Party, whatever it is. But 324 00:13:28.039 --> 00:13:30.960 then they get convinced by the adult conversation, you know, 325 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:33.480 the way that they're projecting it today. Well, all these 326 00:13:33.480 --> 00:13:36.080 people telling you to vote your third party, your below 327 00:13:36.159 --> 00:13:38.600 you believe in. There to understand how politics works, an 328 00:13:38.639 --> 00:13:41.240 adult will recognize the lesser of evils. I mean, it's 329 00:13:41.279 --> 00:13:44.200 just it's always the same conversation that boil it. 330 00:13:44.200 --> 00:13:46.679 It makes you ignore your own principles. 331 00:13:46.879 --> 00:13:48.720 At the end of the day, and it's always that way, 332 00:13:48.720 --> 00:13:51.799 like maybe there's one election out of ten, you know, 333 00:13:52.360 --> 00:13:54.720 cycles of elections where it seemed that way, and I 334 00:13:54.720 --> 00:13:56.759 can get the logic of it, but if it's literally 335 00:13:56.799 --> 00:13:59.159 every time, and literally every time, it's the same narrative. 336 00:13:59.440 --> 00:14:01.320 And this is why I think they're so desperately trying 337 00:14:01.320 --> 00:14:03.960 to hold new moves to change the situation, because I 338 00:14:04.000 --> 00:14:05.080 think people are seeing. 339 00:14:04.799 --> 00:14:07.679 This more than ever I really do, and so I 340 00:14:07.679 --> 00:14:08.600 think ahead. 341 00:14:09.080 --> 00:14:11.399 I think that it's also people want to do something 342 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:13.679 right they see this, and that, you know, being passive 343 00:14:13.679 --> 00:14:15.919 and just letting this happen is not an answer. So 344 00:14:15.960 --> 00:14:19.200 it's like, what can I do? And the national media 345 00:14:19.360 --> 00:14:21.559 and the establishment of the government is very quick to 346 00:14:21.600 --> 00:14:23.879 come out and say, here, you can do this, and 347 00:14:23.919 --> 00:14:25.960 they give him a fidget spinner, right, And so they 348 00:14:25.960 --> 00:14:27.159 go sit in the corner and they play with a 349 00:14:27.159 --> 00:14:30.080 fidget spinner. Think that they're doing something, you know, and 350 00:14:30.120 --> 00:14:32.480 when there's really things that they need to do, they 351 00:14:32.480 --> 00:14:35.240 need to do, they need to investigate what's happening at 352 00:14:35.279 --> 00:14:37.559 a state, in a local level. We had a situation 353 00:14:37.639 --> 00:14:40.440 here we had an excellent senator who had taken on 354 00:14:40.480 --> 00:14:45.000 the banking system and he had taken on a lot 355 00:14:45.080 --> 00:14:48.720 of and actually also put in anything about stopping out 356 00:14:48.720 --> 00:14:51.279 of state money. But even though he's a Republican senator, 357 00:14:51.279 --> 00:14:53.960 he couldn't get it passed by the other Republicans, and 358 00:14:54.000 --> 00:14:56.279 so guess what, out of state money and the banks 359 00:14:56.320 --> 00:14:59.320 came for him and took him out. And so you've 360 00:14:59.320 --> 00:15:01.360 got to get involve. You've got to get involved at 361 00:15:01.399 --> 00:15:06.840 the primary time, because if you don't do that, then 362 00:15:06.960 --> 00:15:08.559 they're going to put in their people and you're not 363 00:15:08.600 --> 00:15:10.039 really going to have a choice when it comes to 364 00:15:10.080 --> 00:15:12.519 the final election. And they're now starting, the big guys 365 00:15:12.519 --> 00:15:14.600 are now starting to pay attention to the state and 366 00:15:14.639 --> 00:15:17.120 to the local elections. They don't want you paying attention 367 00:15:17.200 --> 00:15:19.480 to that. They want you still doing the fidget spenter 368 00:15:19.919 --> 00:15:23.679 of the presidential election, and everything rides on the presidential election. 369 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:28.320 I don't even think that Congress is going to do 370 00:15:28.360 --> 00:15:30.720 anything to help us. So I'm looking at it and saying, well, 371 00:15:30.759 --> 00:15:33.200 we need to figure out how we're going to nullify 372 00:15:33.240 --> 00:15:35.120 what's going on and do it at the state level, 373 00:15:35.200 --> 00:15:37.519 and do it at the local level. Because that's worked 374 00:15:37.519 --> 00:15:40.720 for medical marijuana, it's worked for other things. We've seen 375 00:15:41.240 --> 00:15:44.759 nullification work and in the case of that, they stopped 376 00:15:45.120 --> 00:15:47.679 Jeff Sessions. That was his passion to stop it. And 377 00:15:47.759 --> 00:15:51.120 yet because he didn't have any constitutional authority to do that, 378 00:15:51.639 --> 00:15:55.159 they had states all over the place doing first medical marijuana, 379 00:15:55.240 --> 00:15:59.840 then recreational marijuana. I don't I'm not at marijuana advocate. 380 00:16:00.000 --> 00:16:03.320 I'm a constitutional advocate. And when people say if you 381 00:16:03.360 --> 00:16:08.360 start nullifying federal governments overreaching their unconstitutional acts, then that's 382 00:16:08.360 --> 00:16:10.679 going to lead to civil war, that's not true. And 383 00:16:10.720 --> 00:16:12.799 you can always point to that, and especially point to 384 00:16:12.840 --> 00:16:15.039 that for the left, because they're the ones who typically 385 00:16:15.080 --> 00:16:18.600 support marijuana reform and that type of thing, and you 386 00:16:18.600 --> 00:16:20.879 can point to and say that was done peacefully, wasn't it. 387 00:16:21.279 --> 00:16:24.120 And so we can follow that model for a variety 388 00:16:24.159 --> 00:16:26.840 of things. And I really think that's really about the 389 00:16:26.879 --> 00:16:29.080 only thing that we've got left in terms of politics. 390 00:16:29.320 --> 00:16:31.039 And I don't make politics my entire life, but I 391 00:16:31.080 --> 00:16:33.480 think when you look at politics, that's the key thing 392 00:16:33.519 --> 00:16:36.440 at this point in time is state and local elections. 393 00:16:36.960 --> 00:16:37.200 Yeah. 394 00:16:37.360 --> 00:16:39.320 I agree, Well, to be clear of my stance on 395 00:16:39.320 --> 00:16:41.759 that in general, Like Katherine Austin Fishers said in a 396 00:16:41.799 --> 00:16:44.759 recent interview, in her mind, the presidential election represents about 397 00:16:44.799 --> 00:16:47.440 one percent of what you can do to actually affect change, 398 00:16:47.440 --> 00:16:49.799 and I completely agree with that. If anything, Quite frankly, 399 00:16:50.200 --> 00:16:53.159 I do believe my personal opinion is I don't think 400 00:16:53.200 --> 00:16:56.679 your vote speaking specifically about the presidential election, but quite frankly, 401 00:16:57.200 --> 00:16:58.559