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Speaker 1: Yes, off of a weekend that has seen me Manuel

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nava Rote score another win over Oscar Valdez by a

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body shot KO. It has seen a weird ending TKO

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for Raphilspinoza in his rematch with robes C Ramirez to

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retain the WBO featherweight title. We're ready to recap those fights.

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after a junior welterweight title win that had kind of

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an interesting set of scorecards by the way in Puerto Rico.

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We're going to recap all of those fights. We've got

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some news, We've got some nostalgia. You're locked in on

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Unite is his substack. Hello, Dan Rayfield off the weekend

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full disclosure, I am off of a buccaneer crazy win

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over the Las Vegas Raiders. So but I'm back in

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on the Sweet Science with you on a Sunday night.

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Off of that love breaking it all down. There's a

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lot to go over. How are things coming off the weekend?

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Sunday night and a Monday.

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Speaker 2: Things are good. Another Giants loss, we move one step

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closer to the number one draft pick.

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Speaker 1: Baby, the futility must mount to be able.

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Speaker 2: To by the way, hey, the futility of a block

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field goal.

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Speaker 3: By the game time, the Raiders are neck and neck

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going down the chuot right now with the Giants as

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they lost today for the ninth time in a row.

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Speaker 1: The Giants, it's what eight losses in a row. But anyway,

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that's football. Let's talk a little sweet science. By the way,

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You can help us out as well. All right, let's

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get into it. We were in Phoenix, we were in

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Puerto Rico. You're gonna make me talk about Kubratt pooh

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Lev winning in Bulgaria. We were global, we were global.

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Speaker 2: This hold on, hold on, we did. We did do

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some preview of it, so we got to.

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Speaker 1: You made me bring it up in the preview. Now

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you're making me bring it up in the recap. I'm

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asking you what decade? What decade is this that we

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care about Kubratt Poulelev. But we will mention it. Well,

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all right, get it, We'll touch on it first.

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Speaker 2: It's such anop.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying that on my bingo card. I don't

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need a lot of kup Brett Poulelev right now with

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everything else I got, I haven't even gotten to the

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holiday shopping yet. We need a little all right, Yeah,

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a tad like the egg dog. Uh, let's talk top

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rank ESPN show, Shall we first where Emanuel Navaraate does

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get the win over Oscar Valdez. By the way, one

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of us had that on the bet Us Boxing show.

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You love to tout how how wrong I am about everything? Uh,

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Navarat First.

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Speaker 2: Of all, not just a blind squirrel again.

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Speaker 1: I was texting with you, Nava Rotte's got the dad

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Bob rockin the last two or three fights. Timothy Bradley

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referred to it as the spare tire around the middle.

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How does a junior lightweight have the spare tire? But

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he does a little bit still, the dude can punch,

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and Valdez found that out the hard way, multiple knockdowns,

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eventually a body shot KO. He retains your thoughts on

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the rematch in the main event in the top rank

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show in Phoenix.

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Speaker 2: I thought that that Emmanuel never at They fought a

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very good fight. The thing about it was when I'm

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watching the fight as it starts. You know, I've listened

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to all the things that Oscar Valdez said in the

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pre fight gold up to the fight. He needs to

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fight a more intelligent fight. He allowed never to drag

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him into the slug fist kind of battle when they

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fought their first fight back at the end of two

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thousand was twenty twenty August of twenty twenty three, the

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first fight that they had, and you know, he made

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the mistake of letting his emotions get the better of him.

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Oscar can be a very intelligent fighter. You know, he's

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a two time Olympian, a multi division world champion. He's

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fought a lot of top guys. He's not, you know,

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a dumb fighter or anything like that, but when he

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gets hit, you know, the juices get flown. So he

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felt like he's determined to box this fight more than normal.

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an exciting fight, which is what he likes to do.

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and I saw him go to the side, and I

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saw him get the jab going a little bit, and

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bad way, but like I'm like, okay, he's really he's

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not going to let himself get dragged into the battle.

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of minutes of the fight, I'm like, he's got you know,

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he's got the right game plan. I'm sure that Eddie Renoso,

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his trainer, has been drilling it with him for the

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last two months. And then he got nailed with a

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shot and the wheels started to come off right there,

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I felt in the very first round. So you know,

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one guy or the other. But in my mind, if

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I'm thinking about valdezl like, can he get it back

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together and and and get back in to that envelope,

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if you will, of the boxing mentality, and it never

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really came to pass. So while that's happening and those

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wheels are kind of coming off, Navarette is throwing bombs

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with both hands. He always throws some weird angles. Dad

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bought her otherwise drops him, you know in the first round,

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which which caused him big problems. That was the first knockdown.

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An Oscar has been on the floor before, but he's

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never been really dominated. Even when he lost to Shakur Stevenson. Yeah,

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he got out box, but he didn't get dominated. I mean,

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you know, he thought a good fight, but he just

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lost on points on. This was the first time I

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feel like in Oscar's entire career, which has been a

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long and distinguished career, I may add I mean, like

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I mentioned, he's a two time Olympic fighter. He's won

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titles at featherweight and jingior lightweight. The only losses he

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had were to Chakor by the decision and the first

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fight against never Atte. But this was the first time

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I really felt like he was just totally kind of

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blown out, like just routed in a sense, not only

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on the points, because he was losing on the cards,

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although he did against the court, but also physically dominated

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Schakour didn't physically dominated him. And so he gets dropped

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in the first round, and then he gets dropped in

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the fourth round. And now he gets dropped with the

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body shop perfect punch. He's throwing a left hook to

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the head and at the same moment Neverette's delivering a

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beautiful left hook to the body, right on the liver.

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and he gots knocked out. And so it's a one

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sided fight, a one sided loss. A great victory for

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first fight where he won a unanimous decision. But it

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was a tough, hard, you know, difficult, highly physical fight,

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despite him, you know, having to go twel rounds and

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win on the cards. You know, maybe we underestimated never Atay.

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best than maybe we may have thought. But the bottom

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line is for a guy in terms of Never who's

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coming off of a loss at one hundred and thirty

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five pounds of Dennis Barentchick where he was going for

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a ton only fourth way class, a draw against Robinson

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Konsasa where he did not look particularly good even though

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he retained the title. He looked really good against Oscar Valdes.

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Now he says that the surgically repaired right hand that

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was not necessarily one hundred percent in those recent fights,

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particularly against Barentchick. No problems, he said in the training camp,

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and he never had any issues with the right hand.

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He was able to use it at will, and obviously

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he connected with a lot of them on top of

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you know, in terms of hitting Oscar Valdez with it.

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So look, it's a big win for noverret that he

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can underestimate it and for Valdez, Look, he's still a

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good fighter. But it's time to question. And I say

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this because Oscar has been one of my favorite fighters

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for a long time in terms of like watching him

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fight just as a person. You know, he's not getting

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any younger. He's thirty three years old. He's been in

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war after war after war. It takes its toll. TJ.

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He had a long and distinguished amateur career, and while

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I still think he can compete at the top of

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the division, it's very clear that the win against Liam

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Wilson maybe covered some things up. That was his previous

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victory that took place in Marshall last year. He was

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coming off of a year year and a half layoff

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as well, that maybe the time at the very top

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has come to pass him by to a degree.

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Speaker 1: And a lot of it had to do with the

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guy across from him. You know, I thought, I thought

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that Tim Bradley was bringing it up, and you could

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hear it actually on the ESPN audio. He said, Man,

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these punches from Navarata just sound different, the thud that's

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on them, the power that's on them. And again credit

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to Valdez, he took a lot of them. I credit

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Navarata a lot. Can I just tell you, I thought

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Oscar Valdez thought thought a dirty fight. Repeatedly he used

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his head, he repeatedly used his forearm. He was repeatedly

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holding Navarati around the head and being warned and turning

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him around, et cetera. And Navorat didn't let that bother him.

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In fact, Navarati kept sticking his glove out like, hey,

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let's box and tap him on the glove and go

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back to banging on him. So he didn't let that

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bother him. I'm not making this guy out to be unbeatable,

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but I mean he he has got a big time punch,

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especially from the awkward angles with that left uppercut, and

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he landed that sum in the fight, so it was impressive.

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I thought it was an impressive performance by Navoraate that

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he needed. I don't know what else he does from

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here on out, but he clearly was better than Oscar

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Valdez the other night. And I thought it was a

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really good atmosphere, sold out arena with those two guys

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throwing down and in the end the body shot gets

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it done. Here's where I tu up. What do you

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think is next? Do you think Navarrate stays and tries

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to unify there? Do you think he tries to move

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back up to lightweight, which didn't go so well, didn't

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appear to be in great shape, had to had to

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fight bigger fighter in Branchick. What do you think is

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next for Nomal?

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Speaker 2: There's no doubt that at some point in the near

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future he will go back to lightweight. His goal if

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you will is still to try to win a ton

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on a fourth way class. It didn't work against Brench obviously,

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he was still the champion at one thirty. So he

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came back down and wait and made this fight with Valdez,

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who while he was taking care of that opportunity, Valdez

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had become the interim champion and it was still an

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attractive remass. So they did the match. So when the

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fight was over, he spoke about that he's going to

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you know, he he's gonna stick around. He said, you know,

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one or two more fights at one hundred and thirty

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and then we'll see about one thirty five. So okay,

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let's so that to me, that means twenty twenty five,

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he's staying as a one hundred and thirty pounder. He'll

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probably fight two times next year, all things are well,

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no injuries. You know, let's not out of the realm.

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He could get a third fight in depending on what

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the opportunities to you know, top rank brings to him.

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But let's go on the premise that like most of

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the top level champs, they fight twice a year. That

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tells me two fights at one hundred and thirty pounds

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there's two, you know, the one obvious fight. I don't

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I don't know what the what the plans are, you know,

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he just fought, So they're not going to discuss just yet.

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They'll enjoy the holidays and reconvene probably, you know, in

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January at some point. But O'shaki Foster, who was the

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WBC one hundred and thirty pound champion, who's also with

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Top Rank. He was in their ringside. He was calling

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That's a natural fight to make the unification. It's a

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doable match or both with Top rank, it'd probably be

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a good fight. Their styles probably seemed to blend nicely.

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of a desire to duck a guy. They both want

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to unify. So that's a fight that makes a lot

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of sense beyond that. So while that maybe that could

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happen in the next fight, obviously they're gonna have to

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do the discussions and negotiape but the fact that they're

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both with the same promoter is helpful beyond that, And

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we're going to get to Rafael Spinoza's victory against Robes

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Ramirez that took place in the co feature, so he

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retained his featherweight title. There's been a lot of conversation

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from top rank all along, especially if Navarette was the winner,

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and if Spinoza was the winner that eventually not necessarily

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in the next fight, although it could be in the

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next fight that they might try to make Naverette against Espinoza.

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Espinosa one million percent can fight as a junior lightweight.

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He's like six foot one, He's a gigantic into one

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massive featherweight. He he'd still be bigger than Everette probably

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when they get up to that weight division. So that's

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a that's a that's an interesting fight and uh, actually

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it's funny. I did I'll shout him out. Uh. One

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of our listeners, a guy named John Horton, had a

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messaged me and was very interested in the prospect of seeing, uh,

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you know, the fight between between Raphael Espinosa Navarette and

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wanted to know if we know we were going to

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talk about it, uh, to hear the thoughts about it.

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I think it's a fascinating fight because he got two

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guys that are big for their divisions. Obviously, if Espinoza

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comes up he'd still be big in terms of his

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stature in terms of one hundred and thirty pounder. Uh,

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it's a makeable fight. It's an exciting fight. I'm sure

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the Mexican fans would love that fight. It definitely has

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action written all over it based on the Hey, those

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two guys fight. Uh, it's the kind of match that

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that could produce, you know, rematch trilogy type action. And

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so to me, they're not willing, They're not I mean,

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they're not looking to get away from guys. Never Atte

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has made that pretty clear. Espinosa's talking about he wants

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to be in Mexican legend. So to make the long

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story short, the fights I would like to see that

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seem doable, that seem logical, That probably fit the budget.

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don't know which order it would be in, but it

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would be never at the against Espinosa at some point

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in defense of the title, and a unification fight against

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Oshaki Foster and then whatever happens whin loser and whatever,

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then you maybe make your move up to one thirty

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five and see what you can do up there like.

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Speaker 1: That, What did you say the viewer listener's name is

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John Hohrton. Is that what you said?

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Speaker 2: That is correct?

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Speaker 1: He asked, and you got you got the answer, John,

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And now you need to rate us and review us

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on the pod feed because you you served up a

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question and it got answered right here on the Fight

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Freaks Unit recap. You found that out. So that segues

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right into Espinoza's win over Robas Ramirez. Now I got

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to give full disclosure. It was a Mayhem Saturday night

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for me with trying to get dinner. I got a

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twin working and we're trying to get to her and

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go see her because she works at the gelato place,

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Rayfael's shoveling dessert, So we got some gelato. The college

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football craziness is ending, and my man Rayfael is not

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only texting me that Richard Hitchins has won, Richardson Hitchins

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has won, but he's like crazy ending here with Espinoza

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and Roba Si Ramirez with Robo C Ramirez mimicking somewhat

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forty four years later, Roberto Duran with the nomas right

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down to holding the glove up to say no, no,

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I can't fight anymore, and the referee waves it off

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all right. So we're roughly twenty four hours later as

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you and I tape this. The complaint after the fight

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was that he had been elbowed, he had double vision.

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I went back on your tip. I went back and

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rewatched the fifth round. I thought there was a glancing

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elbow early on in the fifth round on the left

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by Espinoza. ESPN found another incident in the fourth round

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where he got brushed with an elbow in the eye.

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What do you make of all of this, because clearly

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it was a weird, kind of anti climactic moment where

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Espinoza hits Ramirez in the rematch with a punch to

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the eye and again it's bizarre, but he stuck the

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glove up in the air, walking with his back turn

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going no Mas, essentially, I can't fight anymore. What do

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you make of it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I make of it exactly what you said.

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He look, there was definitely some rough stuff. I don't

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think the elbows were on purpose. It's just that Espinosa

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has got such long arms. He's kind of gangly, and

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you know, shit happens in a fight. And as a

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matter of fact, there was one of those shots where

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it almost felt like like Roba se Ramirez kind of

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leaned into the punch or you know, that became an elbow,

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So I know they had they were very compressed for

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time as they're searching through the video to try to

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find the elbow or a elbow, and in the production

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they found that in the production truck for ESPN they

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found the one, but it really looked of like a forearm,

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not the kind of thing that's gonna break your orbit boner,

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do that kind of damage. Oh so to give the

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ending first. As it turned out, according to the top

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rank folks, when Robasi was taken to the hospital after

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the fight, he was diagnosed with a broken or a

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fractured right orbital bone, So clearly there was an injury there.

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I saw some other clips that people sent me, like

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blurb like little blips of twenty second clips, fifteen second

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clips on on social media that did show what seemed

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to be a clear elbow that did land. One was

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in the fifth round. Robasi was saying that it happened

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earlier in the fight. He had told his corner, I

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want to say after round number five, I guess, but

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it happened earlier, and he was having double vision in

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his right eye. He had complained to the referee about

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the elbow. The referee, I guess, did kind of have

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a talking to with Espinoza, but at that point, as

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Robasi said, the damage was done. So the corner after

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he was told, after they were told that I'm having

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double vision, they were like, look, you know, let's give

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it another round. He would if he can shake it

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off or whatever. He came out for a round number six,

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and within a few seconds Espino's stuffed the right hand

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right down the middle, caught him on the eye, and

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that was when he raised the glove and walked away.

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And it looked very reminiscent of the way that Roberto

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duran very famously uh said no moss and quit against

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Sugar Ray Leonard. Now, the difference, of course, is that

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now that the fight's over and he's been to the hospital,

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Robeski Rimires had, based on the announcement from top rank,

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a very legitimate and serious injury, a broken orbit, and

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Roberto Durant had no such thing, and that and he

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was just frustrated or whatever whatever story you choose to believe,

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he had the shits or or he had just was frustrated, whatever.

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But he did quit against Roberto Durant, and certainly in

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a much higher profile fight than what was taking place

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in against Ray Leonard in the in their in their uh,

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in their in their second fight anyway. So I see

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a lot of people who have a real heart on

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for the work quit. The fact of the matter is

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Robessi Rimirez did quit the fight. Now, I don't say

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the work quit in that context to be like negative.

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It's a factual statement that when you are doing an

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activity and then you decide no longer to do it,

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you have quit that activity. That doesn't mean it's not

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appropriate or that it's not understood. That you can understand that.

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In other words, I think a lot of people will

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certainly understand a Robus Rimirez, you know, retiring from the fight,

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pulling itself out of the fight, whatever other youth and

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is that you want to use. So the word quit,

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but it's understandable because he had obviously an injury, as

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opposed to a Duran who was more frustrated than anything.

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He just said, fuck this, I'm out of here, you know,

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and look at and it just shows you how awesome

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and great and legendary Berto Roberto durant Is, is that

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you know, forty years later we can say in the

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same breath, yeah he quit against Sugar Ray Leonard, but

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he's still one of the greatest fighters in the history

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of the sport period. Now in case of Robus Rima Is,

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yeah he quit the fight. But again, I'm not going

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to hold that against him for his life. I mean,

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I wish him nothing but the best, hope he gets better,

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but he's able to come back and and have a

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good career going forward, however he wants to do it.

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But you know, people got to get over to say

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the word quit. It's what exactly what happened. He quit.

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And by the way, when I say that, they're like, well,

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what do you know. You're a writer, you've never been

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in the ring. Yeah, you're fucking right. I've never been

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in the ring because I choose not to fight. I'm

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a writer, not a fighter. But when you take on

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the job description of a boxer as a professional prize fighter,

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that's I'm not saying you have to die in the ring,

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and I don't want to see that. So I'm not

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I'm not upset that I finish. Let me finish this

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I'm not upset that Ramirez decided not to fight, but

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when you are in that position, you are at a

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higher standard as the fighter in the ring that you

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are going to be judged based on your peers. And

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I have seen plenty of times fighters fight through much

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much worse than what Ramirez was going through. It doesn't

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make him a bad guy, it doesn't make him wrong.

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It just means that compared to others, that he's going

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to have to take a little bit of the brunt

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of that. I mean, and the story I saw Polymlanagi

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fight through the bust at orbit Bone against Miguel Coto.

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We've seen it plenty of times.

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Speaker 1: Nay, oh yeah, and away against Nonito.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that does happen, and not every prize fighter

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is built the same. So I don't I don't disrespect

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Robas's decision. He's got to do what's right for himself

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because when it's all over, the only one that's gonna

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give a damn about him is himself and his family.

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I mean Israel, by the way, and this was done

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on a night where they honored Israel Vaskiz's passing with

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the ten bells who passed away a few days ago

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because of his big heart. He actually literally lost an

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eye because of boxing. So there's there's levels to the

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threshold of what people are willing to put themselves.

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Speaker 1: Let me put it to you this way. For whatever

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his motivation is getting cracked with that right hand or whatever,

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when you hold the glove up and say I don't

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want to do this anymore. When you're not knocked down,

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when you're not concussed, you have quit. You have decided.

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Not in a negative way. He's quitting for no reason,

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but you have decided. Check please, I am done for tonight.

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That's exactly what he did, and the referee kind of

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march right in immediately realized what he was doing and said, okay,

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that's it. We're gonna wave it off. So if I mean,

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I don't know what else you can call that is

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my point.

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Speaker 2: Exactly what else do you call it?

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Speaker 1: He chose to pull the ejection handle and say, I'm

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going to try to fight at another time whenever I

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get recovered. Now, this leads us to the next point

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that do we believe he will ever get in the

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short term a third fight because of the circumstances of

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this fight. Third fight with Espinoza because of the circumstances

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of this fight. I'm sure that's what he wanted out

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of this, but I don't know how realistic that is.

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Speaker 2: What do you think, No, I think. I mean, look,

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I think that it's absolutely possible for him to go

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through his healing process, get better physically and mentally, and

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hopefully come back and have a fruitful remainder of his career.

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Now I have my doubts about that because the mentality

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when times get tough, when and again, don't I don't

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want to sound like I'm like in his body. I'm

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not saying this is as a negative thing, but just

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over the course of it. Forget about Robaesi Rimirez. It

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could be any boxer once you've quit, once it becomes

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easier to do in the future. We could talk about

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Mike Tyson. Seen Mike Tyson quit more than one time.

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I mean not because of an injury, but because he

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just quit. That's not why Robes stopped fighting in this

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particular bout. So can he get back to the level

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he was at, That's questionable. We spoke about in the

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pre fight how outstanding he could be at times, and

472
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:30,960
there were other times where even he was winning. He

473
00:22:31,079 --> 00:22:34,799
was just looked really ragged and not so great and

474
00:22:35,039 --> 00:22:37,920
highly inconsistent, is the way I posed it, whether it

475
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,440
was losing in his professional debut or you know, this

476
00:22:41,519 --> 00:22:44,480
particular loss, or the loss that he suffered in the

477
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,200
first fight against Espinosa, when he was a heavy favorite

478
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,559
and was totally in control through like five or six rounds,

479
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,440
had knocked him down and then let it get away

480
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,440
from him, got dropped in the twelfth round. So, you know,

481
00:22:55,519 --> 00:22:56,960
for his sake, I hope he can come back. But

482
00:22:57,039 --> 00:22:58,839
in terms of what your question was about a third

483
00:22:58,839 --> 00:23:02,039
fight with Espinosa, I would be really really surprised if

484
00:23:02,039 --> 00:23:05,359
that ever happens. Number One, he wouldn't have earned it.

485
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,039
Number two, This was a clear loss. It wasn't like

486
00:23:08,039 --> 00:23:10,920
there was something freaky that happened. The guy broke his

487
00:23:11,039 --> 00:23:13,440
orbit bone and that was that. And on top of that,

488
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,160
I don't think there's any public demand for it. Now,

489
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:17,880
keep in mind one thing, by the way, when the

490
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,720
fight ended, it was ROBUSTI rivers. Now he didn't know

491
00:23:20,799 --> 00:23:22,400
this at the time, but it just you can look

492
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,240
at the scorecard now. I actually have it posted in

493
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,559
my sub stack on the article about the fight. Robeski

494
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,640
Ramirez was actually ahead on two scorecards, but it was

495
00:23:31,759 --> 00:23:34,799
very obvious that after about the fourth round the tide

496
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:38,000
was turning in a big way towards Rafael Espinoza. So

497
00:23:38,079 --> 00:23:40,400
he's got options, as we mentioned, Maybe he'll go up

498
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,279
till one hundred and thirty and potentially fight Navarette, Maybe

499
00:23:43,279 --> 00:23:46,160
he'll defend, you know, find some other good contender. There's

500
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,359
still plenty of good fighters in and around one hundred

501
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,480
and twenty six pounds. I know the top rank is

502
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,200
the promoter of Shushu Carrington, who was ringside. They'd like

503
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,240
to get him some kind of title shot. So there's

504
00:23:55,279 --> 00:23:58,599
gonna be options for significant fights for Espinoza, but it

505
00:23:58,599 --> 00:24:00,559
ain't going to be against Robesiramera in the third fight,

506
00:24:00,599 --> 00:24:01,119
forget about it.

507
00:24:01,319 --> 00:24:02,799
Speaker 1: And it will be up to him to get the

508
00:24:02,839 --> 00:24:05,640
stink of what happened Saturday night in Phoenix off of

509
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:09,599
him himself. With that, all right, On the undercard, we

510
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:14,200
saw on knockouts for Lindelfo Delgado, Richard Torrez, and even

511
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,720
Giovanni Santion. It only took one round for his win

512
00:24:17,759 --> 00:24:21,640
over Frederick Lawson. All Right, quick thoughts on any or

513
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,119
all of that To wrap up the top Rank show

514
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:25,720
Saturday Night.

515
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,759
Speaker 2: Well, in terms of Santion, I mean, he was coming

516
00:24:27,759 --> 00:24:30,119
off of the loss. He had his first defeat, which

517
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,599
was kind of a little bit embarrassing for him because

518
00:24:32,599 --> 00:24:34,400
he got knocked out in front of his hometown crowd

519
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,480
in San Diego. That was in the interim title fight

520
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,440
back in May for what was then the interim WBO

521
00:24:40,519 --> 00:24:45,119
welterweight title. They got stopped in the tenth round. That

522
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,519
we all knew going into that fight that eventually, whoever

523
00:24:47,559 --> 00:24:49,039
the winner of that fight was going to be elevated

524
00:24:49,039 --> 00:24:51,079
to the fall title holder, because that was around the

525
00:24:51,079 --> 00:24:53,680
period of time where Terrence Crawford was in the process

526
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,440
of vacating and moving up and getting the fight with

527
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:59,680
Mademo set up and everything. So that was a rough

528
00:24:59,799 --> 00:25:02,119
night for him. Great for Norman obviously, but for Santian.

529
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,880
He loses in front of the hometown, he gets stopped

530
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,200
for the first time, he gets his undefeated record taken away,

531
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,759
he misses the chance to become a world champion, and

532
00:25:09,799 --> 00:25:11,839
so this was sort of like, let's ease him back in.

533
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:13,880
He still has a good future in front of him.

534
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:15,960
It's just a one loss, and they matched him up

535
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,960
with a cadaver in Frederic Lawson. I mean, this was

536
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:20,759
as predicted. I don't know if I've necessarily thought it

537
00:25:20,759 --> 00:25:23,160
would be one round, but I sure as heck didn't

538
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:24,880
think if put it like this, TJ, if this fight

539
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:26,680
was on our betting show, on the beat Us Show

540
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,880
and the over under will say, like, you know, two

541
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:30,400
and a half, I might have taken the under on

542
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,160
this fight. You know, Frederick Lawson has been a certain

543
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,519
personal journeyman for a long time, but we've seen him

544
00:25:35,559 --> 00:25:38,839
get blitzed early in the past. So this was like

545
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:40,920
back on the horse. So good for Santiani's back. I

546
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,640
hope Frederick Lawson retires. I mean, he's had the issue

547
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,680
where they had a questionable brain scan when he got

548
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,240
stopped by Virgil Ortiz, et cetera. So that was that fight.

549
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,160
Richard Torres continues the evolution as the young heavyweight up

550
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,480
on comer. He you know, he scored to get another knockout.

551
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,680
You know, he's twelve and zero now with eleven knockouts.

552
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,319
He scored a third on knock out against Isaac Munyos,

553
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,759
who you know was not necessarily an imposing top level fighter,

554
00:26:04,759 --> 00:26:06,400
but he had a good record eighteen one and one

555
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,000
and Torres. You know, he's he's a he's a project.

556
00:26:10,039 --> 00:26:11,920
I can say that he's a wraw guy. There there's

557
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,799
a lot for him to still learn. But you can

558
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,720
just see he's getting better. He's he was in better shape.

559
00:26:16,759 --> 00:26:18,519
I felt like the last couple of fights. I mean,

560
00:26:18,799 --> 00:26:21,160
he feels like he's taking seriously. Good for him.

561
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 1: We talked about he's personable. I loved interviewing him recently.

562
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,920
He's got a lot to him in terms of different

563
00:26:29,839 --> 00:26:31,440
things that he wants to do with his life. He's

564
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,920
got a silver medal in the Olympics. One thing. I mean,

565
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:35,839
say what you want about level of competition. He's a

566
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,119
finisher and he did it again the other night. I

567
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,240
don't know how far he's gonna go. I defer to

568
00:26:40,279 --> 00:26:44,160
you you've questioned whether he's big enough and strong enough

569
00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:48,000
to be a heavyweight contender in the present day with

570
00:26:48,039 --> 00:26:51,559
how big the heavyweights are, But you can't never knows

571
00:26:51,599 --> 00:26:53,240
finishing people off right now.

572
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,279
Speaker 2: You just never knowing the heavyweight division until you get

573
00:26:55,319 --> 00:26:57,960
that shouldn't tested and so far that hasn't happened, right So,

574
00:26:58,559 --> 00:27:00,240
and I don't say this just about Richard or as

575
00:27:00,279 --> 00:27:02,640
I say this about any young heavyweight that we see,

576
00:27:03,079 --> 00:27:05,480
you enjoy the journey, See what happens, you know, see

577
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,680
if they can get over the get over the hump

578
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,119
that they have to get over when they get mashed

579
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,640
up with a real legitimate opponent. Some guys are able

580
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,720
to do that. Some guys are And I mean, I remember,

581
00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:16,839
you know, we can talk about Olympians. When Anthony Joshua

582
00:27:16,839 --> 00:27:18,960
was turning pro, nobody knew if he was gonna be anything.

583
00:27:19,079 --> 00:27:21,680
When Deontay Wilder turn pro, you know, he went through

584
00:27:21,839 --> 00:27:24,079
thirty plus fights where he never fought a single decent

585
00:27:24,079 --> 00:27:26,200
guy until he fought for the world title the first

586
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,240
time and he and it was in with you a

587
00:27:28,319 --> 00:27:30,400
prime Bermain Staverne, and he did very well in that

588
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,000
fight and won the decision. So we'll have to wait

589
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,279
and see. On Richard Torres. He seems like the kind

590
00:27:36,279 --> 00:27:37,960
of guy where if it does come to the point

591
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,440
where he might be able to go for a world title.

592
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,680
He's kind of a tweeter, not a big heavyweight, but

593
00:27:41,759 --> 00:27:44,839
certainly not making cruiserweight that he'd be like the poster

594
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,880
child of why they created a bridgerweight division. You know,

595
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,480
I could see that happening eventually at some point, you know,

596
00:27:49,559 --> 00:27:52,519
but enjoy the journey. In terms of Lendafol Delgado, he

597
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,519
just continues to do his thing, a very exciting entertaining

598
00:27:56,279 --> 00:27:59,039
Mexican fighters. Now twenty two to zero. Was sixteen, he

599
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,079
was a two thousand and six teen Mexican Olympian, and

600
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,079
I think if you take a look at the the

601
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,000
rest of his resume, you know he has not been

602
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,839
fighting a top opponents at this point, obviously, but at

603
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,160
least in Jackson Morenez, he's like a known guy. He

604
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,240
only had a couple three losses before against good opponents.

605
00:28:17,559 --> 00:28:19,279
That was his fourth loss. He got stopped in the

606
00:28:19,279 --> 00:28:22,039
fifth round by Delgado. Was a good performance, but he'd

607
00:28:22,039 --> 00:28:24,039
been in the ring with good guys. He had lost

608
00:28:24,039 --> 00:28:26,839
to people like a former world champion Richard Kome, Rolie

609
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,039
Romero had a title he lost to Frank Martin who

610
00:28:29,079 --> 00:28:31,680
was an undefeated contender. Those are the types of guys

611
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,799
he's losing to. So if Lendolfo Dolgatto can add himself

612
00:28:34,799 --> 00:28:36,599
to that list, like I felt like that was a

613
00:28:36,599 --> 00:28:39,000
pretty good win for him. He did what he's supposed

614
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,880
to do. And I think twenty twenty five, because Dolgatto

615
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,880
is not exactly you know, mister young man, He's twenty

616
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,000
nine years old. It's time to make the move, I

617
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,599
think in twenty twenty twenty five, especially with the wealth

618
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,240
of talent at one hundred and forty pounds, I see

619
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,359
no reason why he won't either fight for a title,

620
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,599
perhaps a a vacant title, certainly fight a top opponent,

621
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,599
an eliminator, fight something that's higher stakes than these constant,

622
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,160
you know, preliminary typeouts on the top rank cards.

623
00:29:06,839 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: All right, so that is that show in Phoenix. We

624
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,519
now go to the Richardson Hitchins win by decision over

625
00:29:13,599 --> 00:29:15,559
Liam Parrow. Dan would like you to know that on

626
00:29:15,599 --> 00:29:17,720
the bet Us show he called that one all the way,

627
00:29:18,279 --> 00:29:18,839
nice job.

628
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 2: I must keep plus money, by the way, plus Money's.

629
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: Money on the decision. Very nice. Yes, And I must

630
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,319
confess again in all the mayhem, I did not see

631
00:29:27,359 --> 00:29:29,759
this one. I did see the highlights. I read your

632
00:29:29,799 --> 00:29:33,799
substack recap again. It was weird. There was not a

633
00:29:33,839 --> 00:29:37,920
lot of atmosphere. I know that TV, that Dezone and

634
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,319
their broadcast did as best a job as they could

635
00:29:40,359 --> 00:29:42,839
to darken the arena because I saw a couple of

636
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,200
social media videos from low level. There were a lot

637
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,640
of empty seats for that fight. I don't know how

638
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,119
big the crowd was earlier in the night, but there

639
00:29:49,119 --> 00:29:50,920
are a lot of empty seats, not a lot of atmosphere,

640
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,480
and I'll just be honest from the highlights, not a

641
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,200
lot of thrilling action. But Hitchins clearly won the fight.

642
00:29:57,279 --> 00:30:01,079
I thought everybody that you y else that watched this

643
00:30:01,279 --> 00:30:04,160
in full thirty one and then the first cards read it,

644
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,039
it's one seventeen to one to eleven.

645
00:30:06,119 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 2: Porro, We'll get to that.

646
00:30:07,519 --> 00:30:09,799
Speaker 1: He We'll we go again with that. But your thoughts

647
00:30:10,079 --> 00:30:15,039
on Hitchins now becoming the IBF Junior welterweight champion Salluray

648
00:30:15,119 --> 00:30:15,759
night in Sam.

649
00:30:15,599 --> 00:30:19,599
Speaker 2: Juan as I wrote about this fight, it was not

650
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,079
a thing of beauty. It is not a thing that

651
00:30:22,119 --> 00:30:25,480
you were going to years now flock to YouTube on

652
00:30:25,519 --> 00:30:27,920
the anniversary to rewatch it or anything like that. But

653
00:30:28,039 --> 00:30:30,480
to Richardson Hitchins, it'll be a thing of beauty because

654
00:30:30,519 --> 00:30:33,079
he won a world championship. Richards and Hitchins, this has

655
00:30:33,119 --> 00:30:35,200
sort of been what a lot of people have expected

656
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,559
from him ever since he turned professional. He was a

657
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,440
top level amateur. He fought for Haiti and the Olympics

658
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,519
in twenty sixteen. That's his parents' home country. But he's

659
00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:46,960
a New York kid and he was one of these

660
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:48,880
guys that came up and he was spoken about, and

661
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,559
Eddie her mentioned this in his post comments to our

662
00:30:51,559 --> 00:30:54,039
buddy Chris Mannix. On the broadcast, he was mentioned in

663
00:30:54,079 --> 00:30:57,599
the same sort of talent level conversations, you know, with

664
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,920
the Devin Haney, with Ti Fimo Lopez and Wish of

665
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,759
course Stevenson, like you know, those types of skills, that

666
00:31:03,799 --> 00:31:07,160
type of pedigree from the Olympics and the amateurs. And

667
00:31:07,319 --> 00:31:10,000
when he turned pro was with Mayweather Promotions. They did

668
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,119
a good job moving them along. And then when they

669
00:31:12,119 --> 00:31:13,960
stopped doing a lot of shows, he was kind of

670
00:31:14,039 --> 00:31:16,519
in a rut, didn't have They couldn't get him enough fights,

671
00:31:16,559 --> 00:31:18,519
and you know, he kind of was forgotten about. He

672
00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:21,480
became a free agent. Matchrom Boxing signed him and they've

673
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,000
done a good job with him. They've given him the

674
00:31:23,079 --> 00:31:25,920
right fights. He's looked good in some of these events,

675
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,839
you know, where whether it was you know, pummeling John

676
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,720
Bowser who was undefeated and uh, you know, a fight

677
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,599
that probably could have been stopped many times, but went

678
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,880
the distance, you know, and then got him a couple

679
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,720
of other important fights. Jose Zapata, which was a former

680
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,160
world title challenger that has the name recognition. He not

681
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,119
in a great performance, but he won the elimination fight

682
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,559
that got him in this world title fight back in

683
00:31:46,599 --> 00:31:49,480
April against Lamos, and so now he's built for the

684
00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:51,680
moment he's in with Paro. Paro is off the big

685
00:31:51,759 --> 00:31:55,799
upset of Sabril Mattias in Puerto Rico and Mattias's hometown

686
00:31:56,119 --> 00:31:58,640
that took place back in you know, earlier part of

687
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:03,839
this year. And so Hitchins, though I always thoughts as

688
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,440
uh as as much of a of a of a

689
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,119
dog as they call it, as you know, a guy

690
00:32:08,119 --> 00:32:10,319
that's gonna pressure you and is gonna go at you

691
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,039
the parro the way he fights, Hitchens was the skillful guy.

692
00:32:14,359 --> 00:32:17,160
Now at the beginning of the fight, TJ. Because I

693
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,240
know you didn't see the full thing. For the first

694
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:23,000
four rounds, Richards and Hitchins looked terrible, Like I had

695
00:32:23,119 --> 00:32:24,799
three to one after four, A lot of people had

696
00:32:24,839 --> 00:32:26,960
it four to nothing after four. One of the judges

697
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,359
on the official cards had it for to nothing. The

698
00:32:29,359 --> 00:32:31,000
two others had it three to one, but even with

699
00:32:31,039 --> 00:32:33,160
the one round that he was given, he did not

700
00:32:33,319 --> 00:32:36,079
look good. He goes back to the corner after the

701
00:32:36,119 --> 00:32:39,279
fourth round and you know, his team was like, they

702
00:32:39,319 --> 00:32:42,200
basically read him the freaking Riot Act. They're like, what

703
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,119
are you doing? You gotta we gotta get going. You know,

704
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,160
we could be They were honest with him. They were like,

705
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,599
we could be down for to nothing. And I thought

706
00:32:49,599 --> 00:32:51,279
they did a good job of like going to the

707
00:32:51,279 --> 00:32:54,400
whip early as they say, I mean, he was, he

708
00:32:54,559 --> 00:32:57,160
was prodded. They didn't wait till like the sixth round,

709
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,960
the eighth round, the ninth round. They you know, his trainer,

710
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,759
a guy named Lenny Wilson, you know, said it perfect.

711
00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:05,640
He didn't pull any punches, he didn't talk shit. He's like, dude,

712
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,839
you know what are you doing here? And I think

713
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:09,759
Richardson something like the light went off and he said,

714
00:33:09,759 --> 00:33:11,599
He's like, yeah, I better get my shit together. And

715
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,519
from the fifth round on he pretty much dominated the fight.

716
00:33:15,599 --> 00:33:18,400
I mean it was not pretty, it was kind of boring,

717
00:33:19,039 --> 00:33:21,519
but it was highly effective. You know, he talked in

718
00:33:21,559 --> 00:33:23,400
the pre fight, I'm gonna rumble with him. You know,

719
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,759
I can see myself getting a knockout. Well, that's all bullshit.

720
00:33:25,799 --> 00:33:28,119
We knew that wasn't real. That was all about fantasy

721
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,920
and promotion. When richards and Hitchins. When Richardson Hitchins is

722
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,680
at his best, he's a pure boxer through and through,

723
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:36,720
with maybe a little bit of pop on the right hand,

724
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,279
but he's a boxer, and he was very effective with

725
00:33:39,319 --> 00:33:41,720
his right hand. He was very effective with his jab

726
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,599
jab right hand. Most basic thing. And I say basic

727
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,240
not as a negative. It works, and if it works,

728
00:33:47,319 --> 00:33:49,160
you do it. You dance with what got you there.

729
00:33:49,279 --> 00:33:50,960
And that's what he did. He you know, he got

730
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,519
to the point where he was an undefeated contender, and

731
00:33:53,559 --> 00:33:55,640
he danced with what got him to that position, which

732
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,599
was jab right hand, jab right hand, and do a

733
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,839
good job on defense, and exactly what he did, and

734
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,160
so he wins the fight. I had it one sixteen

735
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,559
to one twelve. And keep in mind I gave Parrow

736
00:34:06,599 --> 00:34:08,920
four rounds, but I gave him three of the first

737
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,119
four rounds, which shows you that five to twelve, I

738
00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:14,559
only gave him one round. Two of the official judges

739
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,719
also had it one sixteen to one twelve. And then

740
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,239
there's our good old friend Nelson Vasquez, who has turned

741
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,119
in one shitty scorecard after another during the court during

742
00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:26,199
the course of his indistinguished career, and once again he

743
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,239
shits himself and turns in one seventeen to one eleven

744
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:30,159
in favor of Parrow.

745
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,639
Speaker 1: Which is the woman to say it on a Sunday night.

746
00:34:34,519 --> 00:34:35,559
We doing here?

747
00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:37,519
Speaker 2: Please say it? Give me one more time?

748
00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: What are we doing here?

749
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:45,119
Speaker 2: I mean there, I get close fights, and I understand

750
00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:47,039
we can have differences of opinion about different things, and

751
00:34:47,079 --> 00:34:51,199
we've all been there before. But other than him, even

752
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:52,400
the other judges didn't agree.

753
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,159
Speaker 1: And by the way, Morrow's family give him nine rounds.

754
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:56,199
Speaker 3: Leo.

755
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 2: Liam Parro in his post fight interview never even made

756
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,239
a remote notion or commentary that he thought he won

757
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:08,039
the fight, much less by you know, six points. Liam

758
00:35:08,039 --> 00:35:11,199
Paro was congratulations, he beat me, he won. He was

759
00:35:11,199 --> 00:35:12,639
the better thing. I mean he didn't.

760
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 1: You know what I keep saying, You're gonna have to

761
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,159
fire somebody. You've got to start taking action on. You're

762
00:35:17,159 --> 00:35:19,320
never working a world title fight again. If this is

763
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,760
what you're doing, you're messing with people's livelihood at the

764
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,559
highest level. When you're turning in that ridiculous of a card.

765
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,360
It's one thing, if he had scored the fight like

766
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,519
one fifteen, one thirteen or.

767
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 2: I mean, that would stuck, but that wouldn't be like

768
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:34,800
a draws hoerendous.

769
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 1: But nine rounds out of that fight, no, so, and

770
00:35:39,159 --> 00:35:39,719
there wasn't.

771
00:35:39,599 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 2: Enough action to even warrant that because Liam Paro did

772
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,639
not throw or land a lot of punches. I mean,

773
00:35:46,679 --> 00:35:48,760
and I'm not even you don't have to look at

774
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,239
the compy box stats and know that because you could

775
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:56,119
see the lack of the necks and activity just based

776
00:35:56,119 --> 00:35:58,920
on your naked eye. I mean, so that is an

777
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,280
outlier of outline. And now on the on the silver

778
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,400
lining part of this TG, that's why we have three

779
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,079
judges and they're allowed to have disagreements. But thankfully the

780
00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:13,559
two prevailed who are pretty much right on the money. So, uh,

781
00:36:13,679 --> 00:36:15,559
that was a terrible card and he should have won

782
00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:17,719
the title by yunanas. But in the end what matters

783
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,599
is for him he won the title, and so now

784
00:36:20,639 --> 00:36:23,920
he's an undefeated fighter with a good future and still

785
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,920
young and fresh, and now he's looking for a big fight.

786
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,880
Now he was calling out his fellow Brooklyn fighter the

787
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,599
lineal and WBO Champion this way class, tu Fimo Lopez Uh,

788
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,239
saying that's a big fight in New York. Uh, While

789
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,719
I question that because I don't think Richards and Hitchins

790
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,960
has much of a following in New York. He hasn't

791
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,480
really been a ticket seller. Uh. And I don't think

792
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,599
you would be a particularly exciting fight based on the

793
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,199
style that he fought in that I just mentioned to you,

794
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,480
so and I and and even besides all that stuff,

795
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,800
t Fimo Lopez is not looking for Richards and Hitchins.

796
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,320
He's looking for guys like Jervonta Davis and Ryan and

797
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,199
the and the bigger names Ryan gar Is and you

798
00:37:01,199 --> 00:37:05,440
know in the and the much bigger name opponents, Terrence Crawford.

799
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:09,719
He's been mentioning. So, you know, unless Matchroom Boxing came

800
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,280
to top rank in some form or fashion and made

801
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,880
some kind of outlandish offer, it's great to talk about,

802
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,920
but I see it as a highly unlikely fight that

803
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,400
that would take place, at least in the immediate future. Now,

804
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,679
if that's not to say, if Hitchens were to go

805
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,840
out and you know, make a statement statement and I'm

806
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,440
not just talking about beating apart, I mean, like a

807
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,280
real statement in terms of a knockout or against a

808
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,679
bigger name than Paro, no disrespect to Parrow, then maybe

809
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,119
you could you know, you know, finagle your way into

810
00:37:37,159 --> 00:37:39,039
that kind of fight. So it's going to be very

811
00:37:39,039 --> 00:37:41,039
interesting to see what they can do. Now. The good

812
00:37:41,039 --> 00:37:43,559
thing is if you're a matchroom, you've got guys at

813
00:37:43,559 --> 00:37:45,079
one hundred and forty pounds that you work with. There

814
00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:47,559
the promoter of Jack Catterroll for example, that could be

815
00:37:47,559 --> 00:37:51,119
a fight that they could potentially do. But I'd be

816
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:56,519
highly highly surprised if any time, certainly next year, much

817
00:37:56,599 --> 00:37:58,480
less the next fight, that it would be some kind

818
00:37:58,519 --> 00:38:01,400
of unification against the FEMA. But regardless, it was a

819
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,280
great win for Richards and Hitchins. He bought it, he

820
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,719
boxed a beautiful fight, like I said, maybe not the

821
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:10,239
most exciting thing, but extraordinarily effective. And look, Paro is

822
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,480
the kind of guy because of the pressure he applies

823
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,159
and uh and his willingness to fight anybody. You know,

824
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:20,199
big heart, just a good solid fighter, you know, decent power,

825
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,559
a good uh you know fan base behind him in Australia.

826
00:38:23,679 --> 00:38:25,760
If he wherever to go fight there, he'll be back.

827
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,239
I mean, remember one thing, by the way, this was

828
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,800
a mandatory fight, and they tried to make other fights

829
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,760
before the mandatory to see if they could rum up

830
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,559
a bigger deal. There was a lot of conversation he

831
00:38:34,559 --> 00:38:37,039
would fight like a George Cambosa's back in Australia. That

832
00:38:37,079 --> 00:38:38,960
would have been a big fight there. But in the

833
00:38:39,039 --> 00:38:41,239
end they decided let's just go for the mandatory now.

834
00:38:41,639 --> 00:38:43,599
And you know, he may have cost himself that that

835
00:38:43,639 --> 00:38:46,199
potentially a very big fight with Cambosas, so maybe they'll

836
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:47,840
get that going on down the road. Even if it's

837
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,480
not a title fight. I think that could still be

838
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,639
in the future for a paro still be a big

839
00:38:51,679 --> 00:38:54,119
deal in Australia. But we'll see what he does next.

840
00:38:54,119 --> 00:38:57,000
But look, it's you're waking up this morning, is Richards

841
00:38:57,039 --> 00:38:58,840
and Hitchins. If you don't know what your next fight is,

842
00:38:58,840 --> 00:38:59,320
who cares?

843
00:38:59,480 --> 00:38:59,559
Speaker 1: You?

844
00:38:59,639 --> 00:39:01,039
Speaker 2: Just know you got a nice pay day and you

845
00:39:01,079 --> 00:39:02,559
won the world title, and that's a great thing for

846
00:39:02,599 --> 00:39:03,239
any young fighter.

847
00:39:04,079 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: Indeed, all right, one more recap and then we'll get

848
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,360
to the news, and that is Kubrat Poulev winning in

849
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:14,320
Bulgaria Saturday afternoon US time over Makmoud Char a decision

850
00:39:15,199 --> 00:39:17,920
we did detail this going into the weekend a little bit,

851
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,679
all right, whatever you want to say. You went over

852
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,360
the reasons why you've done it in the past, and

853
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,599
you did it on Friday about why this fight was happening.

854
00:39:24,599 --> 00:39:26,760
All right, So Poolev wins it, go ahead.

855
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 2: Why do you hate this fight so much, by.

856
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 1: The way, because I don't think that it's relevant to

857
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:36,079
anything at the higher level. It's part of the reason

858
00:39:36,119 --> 00:39:39,519
why people's eyes glaze over about we're calling this a

859
00:39:39,559 --> 00:39:43,039
regular title fight. So now Poolev's talking about how it's

860
00:39:43,079 --> 00:39:45,360
great for Bulgaria that he's won a championship. It's not

861
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,840
a championship. He's not the WBA World champion. It's a ridiculous,

862
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,480
silly court thing. Now that you've got me cranked up,

863
00:39:52,519 --> 00:39:54,800
it's a court thing that made this happen in the

864
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:55,519
first place.

865
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 2: But the reality is this, and I do not endorse

866
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,480
secondary titles. You know, we've been over this chapter in

867
00:40:01,559 --> 00:40:05,519
verse a thousand times. But he is at some point

868
00:40:06,079 --> 00:40:08,840
they're gonna call the mandatory and he's gonna fight or

869
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,119
be ordered to fight the guy that has uh the

870
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,760
or the supertitle whatever. At the present moment, that is

871
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,280
Alexander Usik. It will be the winner of Tyson Fury

872
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,679
against Usik. Now I'm not saying that's happening next, but

873
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,199
he has some muscle because of that position. But putting

874
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,880
all that aside, just as a heavyweight fight, even if

875
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:28,920
there was no time. Now, the reason the fight happened

876
00:40:29,199 --> 00:40:30,960
was because of the belt that was at stake. Don't

877
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,440
ever forget that. But when it did actually happen and

878
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:37,639
they rang the belt, this was actually for you know,

879
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,800
heavyweights of this level, uh, you know who are not

880
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,320
the A level contenders, but have experienced, are rugged, can

881
00:40:44,519 --> 00:40:46,440
can crack a little bit, and have been in the

882
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,559
ring with good opposition. I mean, you can look down

883
00:40:48,599 --> 00:40:50,920
the resumes of these guys. They face pretty good opposition,

884
00:40:51,599 --> 00:40:54,079
you know, over over over a period of time. Certainly

885
00:40:54,119 --> 00:40:57,119
Pool have his faced good guys who have fought Anthony Joshua.

886
00:40:57,159 --> 00:40:59,679
We fought Vladimir Klitschkow, He's fought good opponents. You know,

887
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,320
Charge fought Batally clitsch Goo years ago. He fought a

888
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,400
couple other guys along the way. But anyway, this was

889
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,360
a good, fun heavyweight fight. They really got in there.

890
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,159
They showed heart. What they did show me anyway, is

891
00:41:09,199 --> 00:41:11,119
even if you piss all over the title, which is fine,

892
00:41:11,119 --> 00:41:13,440
I can't argue with that. They showed that in the

893
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,679
heavyweight division, which you always need good opponents because not

894
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:18,519
all these guys are fighting the A level guys every

895
00:41:18,519 --> 00:41:20,960
time out, is that both of them, even even Shar

896
00:41:21,079 --> 00:41:24,719
in a loss by a decision, showed that they can

897
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,760
be in the ring and hang with the top heavyweights

898
00:41:28,039 --> 00:41:30,119
and make it fun you like. As I said to

899
00:41:30,159 --> 00:41:32,719
somebody that was involved with Team Shar who I was

900
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:37,559
texting with earlier today, I said, Emanuel Schmack Mudchar may

901
00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:39,280
have lost a fight, but what he did was he

902
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,039
kept himself in position to be a highly paid, well

903
00:41:42,119 --> 00:41:47,199
compensated opponent for another good heavyweight. So it was worth watching.

904
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,960
It was a lot more entertaining than Paro versus Hitchins.

905
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,079
If you asked me, maybe not the same kind of

906
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,039
stakes in the in the situation, but by no means

907
00:41:55,159 --> 00:41:56,519
this is a bad fight. And look, I have a

908
00:41:56,519 --> 00:41:58,880
lot of respect who brought Poulev is an old warhorse.

909
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,239
The dude's forty three years old. He's been around forever.

910
00:42:01,559 --> 00:42:05,920
I mean he's only got three losses. Klitch Goo in

911
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,519
a heavyweight championship fight, as I mentioned before, Joshua in

912
00:42:09,559 --> 00:42:13,039
a heavyweight championship fight, and he lost a very disputed,

913
00:42:13,199 --> 00:42:16,599
very close fight, a split decision in the other guy's

914
00:42:16,599 --> 00:42:20,719
hometown to Derek Chasar back in twenty twenty two. And

915
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,760
he's fought for many, many years. I mean, and he's

916
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,880
got some good, solid wins. You know, he beat Jasour

917
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,440
in their first fight. He got a win granted a

918
00:42:28,559 --> 00:42:32,679
faded former champ, Samuel Peter beat Huey Fury, you know,

919
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,239
Tyson's cousin. I mean, he's gotten some okay wins on

920
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,119
his record. Jerry Jerry Forrest, who was like a B

921
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,719
minus ish kind of CONTENDERCY plus kind of contender. So

922
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,559
he's fought some solid opposition through the years. And this

923
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:47,280
was a good fight. Okay. We don't have to spend

924
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,639
a lot more time. I'm just saying, there you go.

925
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 1: You gave it the proper amount of time that you

926
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:54,760
wanted to give it. All right, Move on to the news,

927
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:59,239
and that includes Canelo Alvarez. He was talking to the media.

928
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:03,159
When was this a restaurant opening? It says on my rundown.

929
00:43:03,599 --> 00:43:05,920
Were we invited to the restaurant opening? Did I miss that?

930
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,320
In my inbox. But he spoke to the media and

931
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,320
he mentioned the name Terrence Crawford, or at least somebody

932
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:17,239
asked him about Terrence Crawford. So elaborate please, Okay.

933
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,159
Speaker 2: So he was at I don't know if he's a

934
00:43:19,199 --> 00:43:21,480
part owner or a friend of his the owner. He

935
00:43:21,599 --> 00:43:24,719
went to a grand opening into Lavista, California of this

936
00:43:25,079 --> 00:43:28,119
nice Mexican restaurant and they were they had like a

937
00:43:28,519 --> 00:43:29,719
like I don't know if it was a red carpet.

938
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,480
I saw the video. And when he was going in,

939
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,239
he was talking about like what his favorite meal on

940
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,679
the menu was and all that kind of business. And

941
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,079
then he stopped and he and the reporters asked him

942
00:43:40,119 --> 00:43:43,519
some questions, and obviously, you know, boxing and what his

943
00:43:43,559 --> 00:43:46,320
future in the sport was came up, and so as

944
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,840
you if you back up, everybody knows if you paid

945
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,920
attention to Canelo, that Terrence Crawford has been calling him

946
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:55,159
out left and right for the last while, and Canelo

947
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,320
has rebuffed that has not shown any interest in it.

948
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,719
Crawford has aligned himself with Turkey al Sheep from Saudi Raby,

949
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,159
who put on his last fight over the summer against

950
00:44:03,159 --> 00:44:05,239
Israel Majimov. Paid him a lot of money for the fight,

951
00:44:05,679 --> 00:44:09,400
and and and Turkey has spoken a number of times

952
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,400
but he would like to make Canelo against Crawford. When

953
00:44:12,519 --> 00:44:16,119
Canelo was getting ready to fight Edgar Berlanga in September,

954
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:18,760
there was the hole back and forth between the two

955
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,880
of them on social media because Turkey and their team

956
00:44:21,199 --> 00:44:24,239
wanted him to commit to a Crawford fight in the

957
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,679
first part of next year, even before he had fought

958
00:44:26,679 --> 00:44:28,760
Berlank and he just wasn't going to do that. He's like, look,

959
00:44:29,119 --> 00:44:30,679
you know, I'm not I'm not doing that, and he

960
00:44:30,679 --> 00:44:32,519
wouldn't meet with him, and it just became like a

961
00:44:32,559 --> 00:44:35,519
whole thing, you know, two alpha personalities. You know, we're

962
00:44:35,519 --> 00:44:39,239
not necessarily mixing all that. Well, So now we go

963
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,760
to this little media scrum and he starts talking and

964
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,159
he's asked about Crawford, He's asked about about doing business

965
00:44:45,199 --> 00:44:48,000
with them, and you know, and he said, and he

966
00:44:48,079 --> 00:44:50,199
was speaking in English, I never say no to business.

967
00:44:50,559 --> 00:44:52,920
So if it's business for me, I'm open to talk

968
00:44:53,079 --> 00:44:56,480
no matter what. And so that is like code for

969
00:44:57,079 --> 00:44:59,400
if you, if you come to me in the appropriate way,

970
00:44:59,679 --> 00:45:01,239
we can and sit and have a meeting and talk

971
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,800
about it. So I took that as a as a

972
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,199
you know, a sign of peace if you will, like, Okay,

973
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,519
you know what, we had our little bullshit back and forth,

974
00:45:10,519 --> 00:45:11,679
but you know what, if you really want to do

975
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,000
real business with me, like you know how in.

976
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 1: The Reeves world, I would classify that as He didn't

977
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,039
rule it out. He didn't say it was happening, but

978
00:45:20,079 --> 00:45:22,360
he didn't rule it out. Now, I say to you,

979
00:45:22,519 --> 00:45:27,280
on the Rayfield meter, is this a three? Is this

980
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,280
a five? Because I gotta be honest with you, and

981
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,039
I do not believe I'm alone. There are a great

982
00:45:32,039 --> 00:45:35,760
many Terrence Craawford fighting at one sixty eight. I don't

983
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,679
have any interest. He's not a middleweight, he's not a

984
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,199
super middleweight. So as much as we're going to talk

985
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,199
about all of him moving up three more divisions from

986
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,760
where he was at welterweight when he torch Eryl Spence,

987
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:48,960
you and I were there in the T Mobile Center,

988
00:45:49,039 --> 00:45:52,159
I don't know. But on the Rayfield meter, what's the realism?

989
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 2: Well, I'll put that all right. We have spoken before

990
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:01,599
about when Nanny Pacyall was a one hundred and thirty

991
00:46:01,639 --> 00:46:04,239
pounder and he went up and he won the lightweight

992
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:08,079
belt against David Diaz and then jumped up two divisions

993
00:46:08,119 --> 00:46:11,280
after that to fight Oscar de la Ya, which was

994
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:12,960
a fight that everybody thought was a death match. We

995
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,039
didn't know how badly shot Oscar was, but.

996
00:46:15,199 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: We were talking about the anniversary this week exactly.

997
00:46:17,679 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 2: So I think about any any great fighter, like a Crawford,

998
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,320
a pack Yeah, whoever, you always have to keep it

999
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,440
in the back of your mind that that they're not

1000
00:46:27,559 --> 00:46:30,639
regular fighters. That so the notion that Terrence Crawford would

1001
00:46:30,679 --> 00:46:32,960
move up that much weight, and again, he wouldn't necessarily

1002
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,480
have to be at one sixty He could easily come in.

1003
00:46:35,559 --> 00:46:38,000
Let's say they made a fight with Canelo and they

1004
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,920
signed it for a catchweight of like one sixty six,

1005
00:46:41,039 --> 00:46:43,440
let's say, And it wouldn't shock me if Crawford maybe

1006
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,679
comes in at one sixty two or one sixty three.

1007
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,239
I'm just making all this up, but so, yeah, I

1008
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,199
get the fact that it's sort of unlikely. But if

1009
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:53,280
you're a Canelo and you're looking at the landscape, and

1010
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,320
we'd have to rehash this a million times fighting Morell

1011
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,000
or Benevitez anytime soon, So put that out of your mind.

1012
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:00,920
Those guys are fighting up at like heavyweight now anyway,

1013
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,159
And if you look at the landscape of who is

1014
00:47:03,159 --> 00:47:07,639
an available opponent for Canelo that people would actually be

1015
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:11,360
interested in, that can make him a big, giant pile

1016
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:15,320
of money. Also, it's a very limited universe. Yeah, you

1017
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,239
can fight the number one WBC contender, Chrishi Mabilly. That'd

1018
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:19,920
be a fine fight, and there's a few other guys

1019
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,760
in and around the way classes, but the fight that

1020
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,639
would actually get the masses revved up, whether you like

1021
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:27,880
the match or not, because there's always the what if.

1022
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:33,559
Crawford the pound for pound king to some people, undisputed

1023
00:47:33,559 --> 00:47:37,599
welterweight champ, former undisputed junior welterweight champ, lightweight champ, now

1024
00:47:37,639 --> 00:47:40,840
currently a junior middleweight champ, a future Hall of Famer,

1025
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:42,920
multi time Fighter of the Year. You know, one of

1026
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,719
the best fighters of his generation. That's going to move

1027
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,360
the needle for a lot of people. And if Canelo

1028
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:49,760
is near the end of his career and he's looking

1029
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,000
to make the biggest fight possible, and by the way,

1030
00:47:52,519 --> 00:47:55,400
you have somebody like Turkey alshk who's got a check

1031
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,000
book with money to burn, that might be something that

1032
00:47:58,039 --> 00:48:00,960
would ultimately be attractive to fight. So I'm not going

1033
00:48:01,039 --> 00:48:02,920
to sit here and piss on the fight. I'm not

1034
00:48:03,039 --> 00:48:04,320
endorsing it. I desperately will.

1035
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:09,159
Speaker 1: But December the eighth, bleeding into December the ninth, Monday,

1036
00:48:09,199 --> 00:48:11,320
give me a ray Field number. Is this a three

1037
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:12,960
right now? Is this a five?

1038
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 2: I think it's a six and a half.

1039
00:48:14,599 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 1: It's a six and a half right now. Because here's

1040
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,159
what I keep thinking that I got what you just said.

1041
00:48:24,199 --> 00:48:28,639
In boxing, it's about the money. He's got all the

1042
00:48:28,679 --> 00:48:32,719
accomplishment of the titles and the belts and the Linnial

1043
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:36,079
and the championships and the awards and the adolation and

1044
00:48:36,119 --> 00:48:39,400
the future hall of fame. Resume that at this stage

1045
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,920
of his career, it's how many stacks, how many piles

1046
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,280
stacks of money can I get? And so Canelo has

1047
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,159
always talked about how much he how he you know,

1048
00:48:48,199 --> 00:48:50,320
he loves the legacy and there's no doubt about that.

1049
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:52,800
But he also loves the money, and he's talked about

1050
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,079
that too. I don't blame them for that. He could

1051
00:48:55,119 --> 00:48:58,440
make astronomical amounts of money for a fight that a

1052
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,039
lot of people would view as not all that threatening. Yeah,

1053
00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:03,239
Crawford has a different view. Crawford's like, I'm gonna kick

1054
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,159
his motherfucking ass. No, he's a bad boy, Terrence Crawford.

1055
00:49:06,199 --> 00:49:08,400
I mean, he's not the He's Terres Carford, the kind

1056
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,039
of guy. You know, let's be honest, Karence Crawford doesn't

1057
00:49:11,079 --> 00:49:16,960
command what Canelo commands without having another dance partner like Canelo.

1058
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:18,079
So that's part of it.

1059
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 2: So I'm sure that if that actually was more motivated,

1060
00:49:21,679 --> 00:49:23,960
he's not gonna be in a position where it's like

1061
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,280
a fight for parody. This is not Mayweather Pack, Yeah,

1062
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,079
where they split the money evenly. This is we can

1063
00:49:29,119 --> 00:49:32,840
pay Canelo, you know whatever, you know, seventy million dollars

1064
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,800
and we'll give Crawford, you know, twenty five million. And

1065
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:37,639
it's still the most money that Crawford ever made by

1066
00:49:37,639 --> 00:49:41,440
a lot. I'm only making the point that he leaves

1067
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,400
the door open a little bit, which was smart for

1068
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,880
him to do, because that may give him the opportunity

1069
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:48,239
to do that kind of fight. And I know, if

1070
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,880
Turkey and they're planning to do other fights outside of

1071
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,280
Saudi Arabia, obviously, if they do that fight, maybe they

1072
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,840
would do that fight in America. It would really if

1073
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,119
they actually did have that match, it would be unfortunate

1074
00:49:58,119 --> 00:50:01,199
if that was in Saudi Arabia. But nonetheless, see on

1075
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,760
the ray field meter. I think it's a possibility. That's

1076
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,199
all right now. Oh, by the way, the other thing

1077
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,960
that he talked about in the scrum was after Tyson.

1078
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,159
Speaker 1: The Green Chilies or no. No, he did not talk about.

1079
00:50:12,199 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 2: No, he talked about Jake Paul.

1080
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,639
Speaker 1: Oh. Yeah, so that Jake.

1081
00:50:16,519 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 2: Paul's been calling out Canelo for the last couple of fights.

1082
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,519
Speaker 1: And he he said in English, Spanish or otherwise.

1083
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,519
Speaker 2: No, in English. So, just to back up, after Mike

1084
00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:27,360
Tyson and Jake Paul had their quote unquote fight a

1085
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,159
few weeks ago, once again Jake was calling out Canelo

1086
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:34,559
and uh, the weight disparity is is still a situation

1087
00:50:34,599 --> 00:50:37,440
they would have to deal with, obviously. But he was

1088
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,679
asked about that, about what he saw in the Jake

1089
00:50:39,679 --> 00:50:41,800
Paul Tyson fight, and he basically said, I felt sorry

1090
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:45,039
for what he saw because you know, Tyson's fifty eight

1091
00:50:45,079 --> 00:50:47,039
years old and you know, you know, but hey, that's

1092
00:50:47,079 --> 00:50:49,920
their business. They did that, fine, whatever, But I thought

1093
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,039
about getting revenge for Tyson when I saw that fight,

1094
00:50:52,679 --> 00:50:56,360
when I saw what he called an injustice, so we'll see.

1095
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:58,880
So he's left the door open for that too. Now.

1096
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,280
I know again, boxing is showbiz also, and its business,

1097
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,639
and I don't care what anybody says. If they could

1098
00:51:04,639 --> 00:51:06,400
do the big numbers and the big money they did

1099
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,920
for Mike Tyson, who's you know, been retired for twenty

1100
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,639
years and it's fifty eight years old, you can't tell

1101
00:51:11,639 --> 00:51:14,800
me that Jake Paul and his drawing power against Canelo Alvarez,

1102
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:16,880
the number one start in boxing presently, who's still an

1103
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:20,199
active fighter and brings that massive Mexican fan base and

1104
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,519
as a reigning world champ, you can't tell me that

1105
00:51:22,559 --> 00:51:26,079
would not have huge implications. And by the way, if

1106
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,199
Netflix put up you know, somewhere in the forty to

1107
00:51:29,199 --> 00:51:32,000
fifty sixty million dollar range whatever they paid for the

1108
00:51:32,039 --> 00:51:34,440
Mike Tyson fight, it would not in any way shock

1109
00:51:34,519 --> 00:51:37,079
me if they could do a Jake Paul Canelo fight

1110
00:51:37,679 --> 00:51:39,960
and also not have it as a pay per view

1111
00:51:40,199 --> 00:51:43,000
at that's my theory. And even if they did it

1112
00:51:43,079 --> 00:51:45,639
on paper, you would still be a fucking megafight. I

1113
00:51:45,639 --> 00:51:47,239
Don'm not saying I like it. I'm just giving you

1114
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:47,840
the reality.

1115
00:51:48,039 --> 00:51:52,639
Speaker 1: You know the facts, all right, next up, a funny

1116
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:57,719
thing happened on the way to Israel Madramov and Sergei

1117
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:06,480
Bollachuk fighting. Madramov is allegedly ill and has withdrawn from

1118
00:52:06,519 --> 00:52:09,239
his fight with Bolachuk coming up here on the undercard

1119
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:14,159
of Usik Fury two. I gotta say this, though it's

1120
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:17,719
dripping with sarcasm on my rundown here, that you might

1121
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:19,360
be a little how shall we say on a Sunday

1122
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,760
night into Monday dubious that there's really an illness involved,

1123
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:27,199
because we already know there's something else awaiting in February,

1124
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:31,400
right for if we're a Virgil Ortiz fight. So tell

1125
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,199
me more, Dan Raphael here on the news.

1126
00:52:33,599 --> 00:52:37,039
Speaker 2: I mean the fact that this look, I'm not gonna

1127
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,639
make accusations that he's faking it earth and I real,

1128
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:42,239
I mean whatever. I don't know the answer to that.

1129
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,440
I would hope that it's not a fraud, but whatever,

1130
00:52:45,519 --> 00:52:48,000
I mean, stuff like that happens in boxing all the time.

1131
00:52:48,199 --> 00:52:50,119
So maybe he's really sick. Fine, if he has, you know,

1132
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,639
I hope Badjabov heals up and gets better. Heck of

1133
00:52:53,679 --> 00:52:57,320
a fighter, you know, good guy. Whatever. However, when the

1134
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:01,639
fight was made between him and boat Shook back, you know,

1135
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,000
whenever that was a month or so ago, six weeks ago.

1136
00:53:04,519 --> 00:53:06,239
That was like, yeah, that's a good fight because you

1137
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:10,480
had both guys same weight class, both guys come off

1138
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:14,239
highly competitive losses to top notch opponents. You had Magium off,

1139
00:53:14,559 --> 00:53:17,760
you know, losing his belt on a competitive, close decision

1140
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:22,239
against Terrence Crawford, that boat Shook losing his interim title

1141
00:53:23,039 --> 00:53:26,760
in a tremendous Fight of the Year contender against Virgil Ortiz,

1142
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,920
who he had dropped twice in that fight. And I

1143
00:53:30,039 --> 00:53:32,280
liked the idea of two guys that stepped up to

1144
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,199
fight top guys that gave good performances, that made good

1145
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,840
fights whatever. That now they weren't going to be you know,

1146
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,039
thrown overboard and like you lost and so you know,

1147
00:53:41,119 --> 00:53:44,280
you're gone. That they had an opportunity presented to them

1148
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,599
to sort of regain their stature by fighting each other

1149
00:53:47,639 --> 00:53:51,440
in what appealed to many people as an outstanding matchup

1150
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,719
by an exciting potential fight for high stakes. It was

1151
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:58,880
going to be an official WBC finally eliminator, and obviously

1152
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:00,800
both guys were going to get well compensated. It was

1153
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,880
supposed to be the December twenty first co feature on

1154
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,800
the card headlined by Tyson Fury and Alexander Usik So

1155
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,639
as in as a fight on a on a undercart

1156
00:54:09,639 --> 00:54:11,880
of that magnitude of a fight, it was a great opportunity.

1157
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,239
So lots of people are looking forward to the fight. Then,

1158
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,440
of course you know the story. What last week they

1159
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:21,280
announced Turkey did the February twenty second event that I

1160
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:24,599
had been reporting on, as had others that that now

1161
00:54:24,599 --> 00:54:28,880
they had made when when they were looking for an

1162
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,760
opponent virginal Ortis because tarn boutenis elected not to take

1163
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,639
the fight, and they said, okay, well Mad's going to

1164
00:54:34,679 --> 00:54:36,519
take the fight. You're like, okay, does that mean he's

1165
00:54:36,519 --> 00:54:38,199
not going to fight Boichuk? And then it came to

1166
00:54:39,599 --> 00:54:41,559
came to light that no, he's going to try to

1167
00:54:41,559 --> 00:54:44,119
do both. He's going to fight the tough fight in December,

1168
00:54:44,199 --> 00:54:47,039
come back in February and fight Virgil Ortiz, back to

1169
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,760
not only back to back tough fights, but back to

1170
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,000
back top fights within a fairly short period of time,

1171
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:58,199
which seemed illogical, particularly based on two factors. DJ One

1172
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,519
absolutely he could was the fight in December, right, very

1173
00:55:02,639 --> 00:55:05,559
very toss up. This kind of fight. And two, even

1174
00:55:05,559 --> 00:55:08,480
if he wins the fight, the chances that he may

1175
00:55:08,559 --> 00:55:11,079
come out of the fight dinged up, not necessarily with

1176
00:55:11,119 --> 00:55:14,079
some serious injury, but like remember when they were supposed

1177
00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:17,039
to do Tyson Fury against Usik, and he took the

1178
00:55:17,159 --> 00:55:20,960
Naganu fight and he got the close decision, but he

1179
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,320
got knocked down, he got caught. He was way too

1180
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,159
dinged up and a little bit needed some time off

1181
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:28,360
that he wasn't gonna be able to come back right

1182
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,760
away and do the fight, you know, within what was it,

1183
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:32,519
a couple of months later, So they ended up moving

1184
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,719
you know, Usik in Fury the first fight, you know,

1185
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,400
a couple of months down the road. So the fact

1186
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,800
that now it was barely a week since they announced

1187
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:45,039
that that he that Majimov would do Boachuk and then

1188
00:55:45,159 --> 00:55:47,280
look to do the Virgil Ortis fight on that big

1189
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:50,440
mega cart in February. February twenty second, which absolutely jam

1190
00:55:50,519 --> 00:55:54,559
packed stacked card with the rematch between Better BV and

1191
00:55:54,679 --> 00:55:58,320
biebl and Anthony not Anthony Joshua, but Daniel Dubai rather

1192
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:03,199
defending his IBF title against Joseph Parker. I mean, we

1193
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:05,360
all kind of figured that at some point something's going

1194
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,519
to happen that this is not going to actually take place,

1195
00:56:07,559 --> 00:56:09,480
And it didn't even take more than a week for

1196
00:56:09,599 --> 00:56:13,360
it to fall apart. So Majimov was announced by Turkey

1197
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:17,039
that he's suffering from a cute bronchitis. He withdrew from

1198
00:56:17,039 --> 00:56:20,039
the December twenty one fight against Boachuk, and Bochuk will

1199
00:56:20,039 --> 00:56:22,519
stay on the card. He'll fight a British opponent named

1200
00:56:22,599 --> 00:56:25,440
Ishmael Davis. It will not be a WBC elimination fight,

1201
00:56:25,519 --> 00:56:29,199
I don't believe, and Majiamov will apparently rest up and

1202
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,079
he'll up and be ready to go on February twenty second.

1203
00:56:32,119 --> 00:56:37,559
So now that fight between between Magiamov and Virgil seems

1204
00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:39,960
more locked in because he's not fighting a tough fight

1205
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:44,079
in between a month earlier, and unfortunately, Boatchuk takes on

1206
00:56:44,119 --> 00:56:48,440
a rather anonymous opponent in the co feature of Ousik

1207
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,559
and Fury. Now, the Riat season cards TJ have been

1208
00:56:52,679 --> 00:56:56,159
tremendous events in terms of the competition that they've seen

1209
00:56:56,199 --> 00:56:59,039
on these shows, the magnitude of the fights to even

1210
00:56:59,119 --> 00:57:02,840
kind of match ups, lots of great names, deep deep

1211
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,679
undercards one after the other. But I think you know

1212
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:07,920
it's fair to say that the and I understand the

1213
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,280
main event on Usik Fury is obviously a huge fight,

1214
00:57:10,639 --> 00:57:14,239
you know, the unified heavyweight championship, and it's a very

1215
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:17,679
expensive fight, even beyond the normal expensive fights that their

1216
00:57:17,719 --> 00:57:21,320
folks at read season have been doing. But this particular undercard,

1217
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:25,079
especially losing out on that fight now, is clearly the

1218
00:57:25,119 --> 00:57:26,880
weakest of all of the events that they have done,

1219
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,119
which is now you know, over ten and ten events

1220
00:57:29,119 --> 00:57:32,559
that they have put on. But hopefully Ishmael Davis, well,

1221
00:57:32,679 --> 00:57:34,920
we'll come to fight and give Boa Chuck some competition

1222
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:38,320
and we'll see a good fight and and that Majamov

1223
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:40,840
is good to go for a great matchup in February.

1224
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:43,239
Speaker 1: All right, you gave it a long explanation. We're just

1225
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:47,559
dubious that this is a cute bronchitas versus let's get

1226
00:57:47,599 --> 00:57:50,639
paid in sixty days for fighting Virgil Ortiz. And if

1227
00:57:50,639 --> 00:57:53,400
we're taking the risks, we're taking the risks in that fight.

1228
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:53,880
How about that.

1229
00:57:54,199 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 2: If you've got to take a risky fight, you take the.

1230
00:57:57,800 --> 00:57:59,599
Speaker 1: I'm with you on that. I one more note on

1231
00:57:59,639 --> 00:58:02,760
a prospect, and I have to confess I don't know

1232
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:07,280
about Taromona Tiomona, an Australian Olympian until it's on my

1233
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:13,679
rundown here a heavyweight Australian Olympian tell me more about

1234
00:58:13,679 --> 00:58:15,480
what's going on with him, and.

1235
00:58:15,559 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 2: There was very just a very interesting prospect kind of.

1236
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,880
I won't say he stole the show at the Olympics

1237
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,960
in terms of the super heavyweight division, but he has

1238
00:58:26,119 --> 00:58:28,639
a look to him, He's got a personality. He's obviously

1239
00:58:28,679 --> 00:58:31,519
strong like a bull. He made it to the quarterfinals

1240
00:58:31,519 --> 00:58:34,119
where his loss where he was eliminated from the Olympic Games,

1241
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:38,000
was against Bakwa Jalla Love, who went on to become

1242
00:58:38,039 --> 00:58:40,800
a two time super heavyweight gold medal. So no shame

1243
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:42,960
in that. But the thing is he was already four

1244
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:44,760
and oh as a pro and as anybody that follows

1245
00:58:45,519 --> 00:58:48,559
the craziness of what goes on in the Olympic boxeror

1246
00:58:48,599 --> 00:58:52,199
amateur boxing is they now allow professionals to fight in

1247
00:58:52,239 --> 00:58:55,239
the Olympics. Jalla Love, who's won the two gold medals,

1248
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:58,280
he's like fourteen to oh as a professional. Keishan Davis

1249
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:00,639
fought in the Olympics before he when you know, he

1250
00:59:00,679 --> 00:59:02,480
already had a few fights under his belt before he

1251
00:59:02,679 --> 00:59:04,239
went to the Olympics, and then when he came out

1252
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:06,719
went to top rank. So it's become more common over

1253
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:09,280
the last couple of games. Anyway, But this was a

1254
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:11,519
fighter that is now four to zero as a professional.

1255
00:59:11,559 --> 00:59:14,280
He's twenty six years old, still on a relatively young

1256
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:18,679
age four heavyweights, great size, you know, like six four

1257
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:22,199
sixty five, big strong guy. Anyway, he was a fighter

1258
00:59:22,239 --> 00:59:24,920
coming out of the Paris Olympics that a lot of

1259
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:28,039
promoters that I don't know this for a fact, because

1260
00:59:28,159 --> 00:59:30,480
like I spoke to those promoters, but the scuttle butt

1261
00:59:30,519 --> 00:59:32,519
for the people I talked to in and around the game,

1262
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:35,039
you know, when you asked about Olympic prospects, a lot

1263
00:59:35,119 --> 00:59:38,079
of folks were interested in procuring his name on a

1264
00:59:38,119 --> 00:59:40,679
contract as a you know, as to be their promoter,

1265
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,880
because he is an interesting prospect. Anyway, he has signed

1266
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:47,000
now with Mattroom Boxing, which obviously has signed and done

1267
00:59:47,239 --> 00:59:50,440
a lot of involvement in the heavyweight division, and he's

1268
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:52,599
going to get his He's not turning pro because, like

1269
00:59:52,599 --> 00:59:55,400
I mentioned, he's had four professional fights going back to

1270
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:59,199
twenty twenty. Then obviously took some time off to prepare

1271
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:01,960
and compete in the Olylympics. But he's going to have

1272
01:00:02,039 --> 01:00:04,039
his first fight under this new deal which is with

1273
01:00:04,119 --> 01:00:07,000
Matrom Boxing, also going to be co promoted by gold

1274
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:10,480
Star and Tasman Fighters, which is the Australian outfit that

1275
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,320
is involved with people like Jai Opataia and others. Anyway,

1276
01:00:13,599 --> 01:00:15,320
he's going to have his first fight will take place

1277
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:19,280
on the Monte Carlo card that Mattrom Boxing is going

1278
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:22,400
to put on this coming Saturday, December fourteenth. So I

1279
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,480
find that to be an interesting signing. He's a guy

1280
01:00:25,519 --> 01:00:27,440
that actually caught my attention when I was watching the

1281
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,559
Olympic Games. And it's also interesting to me because if

1282
01:00:30,559 --> 01:00:32,920
you take a look at what's happened since the Paris

1283
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:37,639
Olympics ended, there usually is like this rush of signings

1284
01:00:37,679 --> 01:00:40,559
two big promoters for the different metal winners and certainly

1285
01:00:41,199 --> 01:00:45,119
the American team and the British team and the prominent

1286
01:00:45,239 --> 01:00:49,079
type of countries that compete. Since Paris Olympics ended, man,

1287
01:00:49,119 --> 01:00:50,920
it has been I mean, there's been a couple of

1288
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,679
signings here and there, but there's been very very little

1289
01:00:53,719 --> 01:00:56,360
in terms of the Olympic group of guys signing. Mattrium

1290
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:59,599
signed another one of the British guys obviously they signed

1291
01:01:00,039 --> 01:01:02,599
Ramona from Australia, and I don't think any of the

1292
01:01:02,599 --> 01:01:06,280
American Olympians, which was a terrible team overall, has signed

1293
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:09,119
with anybody men or women anyway. So he is one

1294
01:01:09,159 --> 01:01:11,320
of the more prominent guys to sign a pro contract

1295
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:13,159
coming out of the Olympics. So it'd be interesting to

1296
01:01:13,159 --> 01:01:15,159
watch his development. So that's why I thought that was interesting.

1297
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 1: Good enough, all right, nostalgia before we are done here

1298
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:24,320
in December, and December eighth holds significance here in the

1299
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:28,079
two thousands, not once, but twice. It was seventeen years ago,

1300
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:33,239
December eighth of two thousand and seven that Floyd Mayweather

1301
01:01:34,719 --> 01:01:39,039
starched Ricky Hatton in the tenth round to retain his

1302
01:01:39,239 --> 01:01:44,599
lineal and WBC Welterweight championships. You have talked about this

1303
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:47,360
previously on these pods and with the nostalgia about the

1304
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:50,159
wildest fight week ever, with all the Brits and the

1305
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:54,599
MGM running out of beer, what else do you want

1306
01:01:54,639 --> 01:01:57,079
to say about this? It was quite an event and

1307
01:01:57,119 --> 01:01:59,400
Floyd got the knockout, and you were there, and it

1308
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:02,960
was now seventeen years ago that that fight took place.

1309
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 2: First of all the fact that it's that many years

1310
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:07,000
ago still, but I always say that every you every week,

1311
01:02:07,039 --> 01:02:09,480
but this one particularly just kind of blows my mind

1312
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:11,599
that it's been that long. Do you want me to sing?

1313
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:12,400
Do you want me to sing?

1314
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 1: On the pody ahead? Sing it?

1315
01:02:14,119 --> 01:02:21,639
Speaker 2: There's only one Ricky had, One Ricky had Anyway, this

1316
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:24,519
was a mega, mega, mega event. It may not have

1317
01:02:24,559 --> 01:02:26,480
set the all time pay per view record, but this

1318
01:02:26,719 --> 01:02:30,119
was a big mainstream fight. This got the you know,

1319
01:02:30,159 --> 01:02:32,320
this was in the in the early days of twenty

1320
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:34,679
four to seven on HBO. They had kicked off the

1321
01:02:34,719 --> 01:02:37,519
series when he fought when Floyd fought Oscar de la Hoya,

1322
01:02:37,599 --> 01:02:40,960
which was a obviously humongous fight, but they did another

1323
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:43,880
one of these series. This was a very big series.

1324
01:02:44,199 --> 01:02:46,079
You know, they would do numbers on twenty four to

1325
01:02:46,079 --> 01:02:49,320
seven that would sometimes do bigger numbers than some of

1326
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:51,719
the fights, like the lesser live fights. They showed. That's

1327
01:02:51,719 --> 01:02:53,760
how big of a deal was. Look, Floyd was pound

1328
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:56,760
for pound, he was undefeated. Ricky was the reigning junior

1329
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:59,960
Welterway champion. He was undefeated. He was on a high

1330
01:03:00,119 --> 01:03:01,719
up on the pound for pound list. If you could

1331
01:03:01,719 --> 01:03:03,880
have pulled the upset, you know, a lot of people

1332
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:05,920
would have put him number one on that pound for

1333
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:09,199
pound list. It was a perfect storm. You had some

1334
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:13,119
thirty thousand British that were estimated to have traveled from

1335
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:16,159
the UK to Las Vegas for a fight by the way,

1336
01:03:16,159 --> 01:03:18,280
that took place at the MGM Grand Garden Arena, which

1337
01:03:18,559 --> 01:03:21,920
when packed to the gills, might hold if you jammed

1338
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:23,840
every nook and cranny of the room, it might have

1339
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:27,519
eighteen thousand, you know, which is you know, even bigger

1340
01:03:27,559 --> 01:03:29,519
than most. And so obviously a lot of those came

1341
01:03:30,199 --> 01:03:33,119
to the to the Vegas and then that region just

1342
01:03:33,159 --> 01:03:35,159
a party and drink and hang out and just be

1343
01:03:35,199 --> 01:03:37,519
part of the festivities. And as you mentioned as the

1344
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:40,760
urban legend is the MGM Grand, one of the largest

1345
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:43,039
hotels in the world by the way, ran out of beer.

1346
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:45,719
And so I have just vivid memories of a wild

1347
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:49,639
fight week, as excitable as a group of people that

1348
01:03:49,679 --> 01:03:51,880
were in that casino during that week, as any fight

1349
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:52,280
I have been.

1350
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:54,559
Speaker 1: You told the story that it didn't matter what time

1351
01:03:54,559 --> 01:03:56,679
of day, and there's no clocks in the casinos. Obviously

1352
01:03:56,679 --> 01:03:58,400
we go over this all the time. Yeah, no matter

1353
01:03:58,440 --> 01:03:59,400
what time of day.

1354
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:01,559
Speaker 2: I'll tell you a little bit about that whatever.

1355
01:04:01,639 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 1: There were people everywhere outside of all of the establishments,

1356
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:08,800
if you will, drinking and going to drink and then

1357
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:11,599
suddenly aggravated when there was no more drink suddenly.

1358
01:04:11,679 --> 01:04:14,719
Speaker 2: In particular, if you're all familiar with the MGM, if

1359
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:16,880
you're in the front lobby at the check in desk

1360
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:19,800
or the checkout desk, and you're facing it to the

1361
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:21,920
left as you walk to the elevators to go up

1362
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:24,159
to the guest rooms, there is what they call the

1363
01:04:24,199 --> 01:04:26,800
Lobby Bar, which is the bar in the lobby, and

1364
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:29,519
it's a very popular hangout. Everybody kind of has gathered there,

1365
01:04:29,599 --> 01:04:31,679
you know, on the weekend nights that it's a pretty

1366
01:04:31,719 --> 01:04:34,360
pack place and so all week long. And I got

1367
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:36,719
there earlier in the week that week for this particular fight,

1368
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:39,719
it was like seven eight, nine deep to get something

1369
01:04:39,719 --> 01:04:42,639
to drink. And when you say twenty four hours a day,

1370
01:04:42,719 --> 01:04:45,760
I know that because I personally witnessed this at different times.

1371
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:49,480
First of all, Billy right, Billy Graham, who was Ricky

1372
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:53,559
Hatten's trainer at the time, would hold court there and

1373
01:04:53,599 --> 01:04:55,719
there'd be like a million people around him, like when

1374
01:04:55,719 --> 01:04:57,480
he wasn't busy with Ricky or you know, in the

1375
01:04:57,519 --> 01:04:59,800
gym or whatever. But the fact of the matter is

1376
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:02,199
that the amount of people that were there again not

1377
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:05,800
just at the you know, happy hour time or whenever anytime.

1378
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:07,559
First of all, the Brits around a different time zone

1379
01:05:07,599 --> 01:05:10,000
on their body, so it was you know, at kind

1380
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,719
of at seven o'clock in the morning for the Brits.

1381
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:14,840
It's like lunchtime in England or you know, because it's

1382
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:17,480
like what an eight hour time difference between Las Vegas

1383
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:20,679
and London anyway, So I saw this early early in

1384
01:05:20,719 --> 01:05:23,119
the morning because I was gating up to go down

1385
01:05:23,159 --> 01:05:25,719
to the arena, because I was also not only was

1386
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:28,400
I writing about the fight for ESPN dot com, I

1387
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:31,599
was also on site to be a reporter for Sports Center.

1388
01:05:31,639 --> 01:05:33,960
So I was doing you know hits on Sports Center

1389
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:36,400
every morning for their for the shows that were on,

1390
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:38,960
you know, starting at like whatever six seven o'clock am

1391
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:41,480
Eastern time. So I would come out of the elevator

1392
01:05:41,519 --> 01:05:42,920
and just for my amusements, I look at them. I

1393
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:45,119
would like take you know, five steps to my to

1394
01:05:45,159 --> 01:05:46,800
the other direction. I would look in the bar. There'd

1395
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:48,760
become million people there. So now I would go down.

1396
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:50,800
I would do all my TV shit for like, you know,

1397
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:52,679
a couple hours. I would be there for like you know,

1398
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:54,480
probably an hour and a half doing back to back

1399
01:05:54,519 --> 01:05:57,159
shows or whatever. Anyway, i'd come back up and it

1400
01:05:57,239 --> 01:05:58,920
was still like that. I'd go back to my room

1401
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:01,400
and I'd do a little work and I take a

1402
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:03,320
little rest because I had gotten up so early. You

1403
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:05,719
come down, maybe it's like lunchtime. There's like one o'clock,

1404
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:08,440
it's still fucking packed. You go to the press room.

1405
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:10,159
Now you come back here a room. Maybe it's like

1406
01:06:10,159 --> 01:06:12,199
four or five o'clock. You're gonna wash up, maybe do

1407
01:06:12,239 --> 01:06:13,920
a little more work, change for you know, later on,

1408
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:16,480
you'll have dinner. Still pack. Four or five o'clock. You

1409
01:06:16,559 --> 01:06:19,360
come down, told, maybe go have dinner. Seven o'clock, seven thirty,

1410
01:06:19,559 --> 01:06:22,119
still fucking pack. Now you're out to eat or you're out.

1411
01:06:22,239 --> 01:06:25,079
You leave the the you leave the casino, you go

1412
01:06:25,119 --> 01:06:27,239
off the off the property to have you know, have

1413
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:30,000
an evening out or whatever. You come back and there's

1414
01:06:30,039 --> 01:06:33,000
still like tenzillion people. And it was just amazing. Now,

1415
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:35,159
one story I don't think I ever told. And this

1416
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:39,920
actually when I mentioned to my wife, you know, I'm

1417
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:41,880
gonna go tape the podcast, I said him By the way,

1418
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:43,320
one of the ones the things we're gonna talk about

1419
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:46,519
is seventeen years ago Ricky hatt versus Floyd Mayweather, and

1420
01:06:46,559 --> 01:06:49,199
my wife actually remembered this, and I had forgotten about

1421
01:06:49,199 --> 01:06:52,360
this completely until she mentioned it. So I've never told

1422
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:55,840
this particular story. So the week of this fight, it

1423
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:58,840
must have been like Thursday night, Friday night, I'm in

1424
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:03,719
the casino and I run into Shelley Finkle, very famous

1425
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:06,440
boxing manager, hall of Fame manager, one of the best

1426
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:09,000
managers ever in the Hall of Fame himself. I've been

1427
01:07:09,039 --> 01:07:12,079
close to Shelley for twenty five years. He's managed any

1428
01:07:12,159 --> 01:07:15,000
number of all time great fighters, Evander Holyfield, Meldrick Taylor,

1429
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,280
Fernando Vargas. You know, we could go down the line.

1430
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:18,760
He's win with the Klitchkoe Brothers.

1431
01:07:19,079 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 1: He helped out Mike Tyson, Mike Tyson entanglement with Don King.

1432
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:29,440
Speaker 2: He managed Deontay Wilder, still does for his entire career. Anyway,

1433
01:07:29,719 --> 01:07:32,960
So Shelley was at the fight and I run into

1434
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:34,840
him on the casino floor and we're shooting the ship.

1435
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:40,519
Now along comes out of nowhere, Ricky Hatton's mother and

1436
01:07:40,679 --> 01:07:43,320
Ricky Hatton's I think sister and other members of their

1437
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:46,559
immediate crew, and she and she and Shelley knew each other,

1438
01:07:46,599 --> 01:07:48,800
and so she stopped and they set all to each other.

1439
01:07:49,119 --> 01:07:52,079
So Shelley, polite as he is, go and this. My

1440
01:07:52,079 --> 01:07:54,559
wife reminded me this because she told the punchline, and

1441
01:07:54,599 --> 01:07:56,960
I was like, I can't believe I forgot that. So

1442
01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:00,480
so Shelley Finkle introduces me to Ricky had his mother.

1443
01:08:00,599 --> 01:08:03,159
Now I had known Ricky Hatten's father because Ricky's father

1444
01:08:03,239 --> 01:08:05,480
was always around when Ricky was doing his fights, but

1445
01:08:05,599 --> 01:08:07,079
never I knew who his mother was, but I never

1446
01:08:07,119 --> 01:08:10,559
actually met her before. So Shelley goes to introduce me

1447
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:13,519
to Ricky's mom. Now, Ricky's mom is lit up like

1448
01:08:13,559 --> 01:08:16,600
a fucking Christmas tree. I mean she's drunk. I mean

1449
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:19,760
she has been definitely drinking for quite a lot. This

1450
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:21,920
is would we run into each other. It's probably like

1451
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:25,720
probably like ten o'clock at night in Vegas time. She's

1452
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:29,199
in the bag, I mean, sticks deep, whatever. And so

1453
01:08:29,359 --> 01:08:32,079
Shelley goes to introduce us, and before he could even

1454
01:08:32,119 --> 01:08:34,840
finish his statement about this is you know Dan Rayfiel,

1455
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:39,039
He's the boxing reporter for ESPN. Whatever, missus Hatten looks

1456
01:08:39,039 --> 01:08:42,800
at me and she goes, and I don't know how that.

1457
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:44,039
I don't really have it. I don't do a good

1458
01:08:44,039 --> 01:08:46,159
British accent. OK, but I'm going to give you the line.

1459
01:08:46,199 --> 01:08:50,760
She goes, I know who he is. He's that big

1460
01:08:51,039 --> 01:08:54,760
fucking American writer who doesn't give my son a chance.

1461
01:08:56,119 --> 01:08:59,000
And so so the way I responded was I did

1462
01:08:59,039 --> 01:08:59,600
my and.

1463
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:01,520
Speaker 1: Its right to meet you, Missus Hatton.

1464
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:04,600
Speaker 2: Well, I did what's the character from Leave It to Beaver?

1465
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:05,039
You know?

1466
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:10,359
Speaker 1: Was it uh not Bee but Wally golly g Or

1467
01:09:10,359 --> 01:09:11,159
is it Eddie Haskell?

1468
01:09:16,319 --> 01:09:18,520
Speaker 2: I did exactly that. I did my best Eddie Haskell,

1469
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:21,920
Like you said, Missus Beaver, I said, it's a pleasure

1470
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:24,000
to meet you. Missus Hatten. I wish you's nothing but

1471
01:09:24,039 --> 01:09:28,319
the best. You're that big fucking American writer.

1472
01:09:30,159 --> 01:09:34,159
Speaker 1: Guess what, you know what? They held the fight and

1473
01:09:34,199 --> 01:09:37,600
Floyd put it on him, including uh knocking him out

1474
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:39,000
with a check left hook.

1475
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 2: As I recall, well, it was a highlight reel knockout

1476
01:09:43,039 --> 01:09:45,319
TJ because he banged his head into the quarter post

1477
01:09:45,319 --> 01:09:47,800
and then fell backwards.

1478
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:50,359
Speaker 1: Not good. I still I don't know that I've told this.

1479
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:54,359
I still remember we were in Houston, Texas, Houston Hello,

1480
01:09:55,039 --> 01:09:58,520
with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers playing the Houston Texans the

1481
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:01,760
next day in the NFL season a December of seven.

1482
01:10:03,199 --> 01:10:05,680
My twins not yet born till the next year. I

1483
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:09,960
do the line of demarcation with the twins born eight. Uh.

1484
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:13,159
And I remember in the establishment where I was the

1485
01:10:13,399 --> 01:10:16,239
roar that went up when Floyd landed that punch. Now,

1486
01:10:16,279 --> 01:10:18,640
tell me about the roar ring side, which is obviously

1487
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:20,399
well multiply at times five.

1488
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:22,680
Speaker 2: Well, I mean that's the singing of though, where there's

1489
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:25,640
only Ricky. When Ricky Hadden, you know, had taken place.

1490
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:27,960
Other of Ricky's fights in the United States which I

1491
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:29,680
had covered, he had obviously, you know, the first one

1492
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:33,439
when he fought in Boston against uh Luis Calaso when

1493
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:35,720
he had won the WBA welterweight title. He had fought

1494
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:40,000
in Las Vegas against Jose Luis Castillo and uh and

1495
01:10:40,079 --> 01:10:42,680
another American fight that So the song was the song.

1496
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:45,680
But these these guys with the with their instruments and

1497
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:48,079
the singing followed him around and everywhere you went it

1498
01:10:48,119 --> 01:10:50,159
was there's only one Ricky Hadden. I mean, it was

1499
01:10:50,159 --> 01:10:51,840
almost like a home game. And yes, he was coming

1500
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:54,640
from Britain to fight in America. UH, and Floyd had

1501
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:56,479
his fans there also, but it was definitely a Ricky

1502
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:59,439
hadten house in Floyd's not only his home country, but Floyd's.

1503
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:01,680
You know, he lived and has lived for most of

1504
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:04,159
his adult life in Las Vegas, so that was sort

1505
01:11:04,159 --> 01:11:06,039
of an eye opener. But here I must give Ricky

1506
01:11:06,039 --> 01:11:07,640
Hatton some credit and this number one, he didn't turn

1507
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:10,239
down big fights because not only did he fight against Uh,

1508
01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:13,600
against Floyd, they were a massive, massive fight. He also

1509
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:15,600
fought Manny Packyo on another massive fight. He did get

1510
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:18,039
knocked out on both of those bouts, but he actually

1511
01:11:18,079 --> 01:11:20,279
did pretty well. People kind of forget that early on

1512
01:11:20,359 --> 01:11:22,279
in that fight he held his own with Floyd pretty well.

1513
01:11:23,119 --> 01:11:24,960
He did have a point deducted in the sixth round

1514
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:27,800
because of hitting behind the head, but he got obviously

1515
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:29,920
dropped and stopped. He got dropped twice in the tenth

1516
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:34,239
round and obviously knocked out. UH. But that was a huge, huge,

1517
01:11:34,359 --> 01:11:38,279
huge fight. UH as as memorable just because of the

1518
01:11:39,359 --> 01:11:41,359
like the Brits always support their fighters and a lot

1519
01:11:41,359 --> 01:11:43,079
of them would make trips to America, whether it was

1520
01:11:43,119 --> 01:11:45,880
Ricky Hatton fights that I covered, or Joe Kalzaggi fights,

1521
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:49,399
or Lenox Lewis fights or Prince Nasim Hahmed and others.

1522
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:51,920
But Ricky was one of a kind. He You could

1523
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:55,000
take the number of people that Lennox, kal Zagi, you know,

1524
01:11:55,079 --> 01:11:58,600
Amir Khan and uh and and all these guys drew

1525
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:01,439
to America and rich. He was doubling that you could

1526
01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:04,000
combine him. I mean, that's the top star power that

1527
01:12:04,039 --> 01:12:06,640
he had. He was every man, he was beloved. But

1528
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:09,359
this was they had done a big media tour. I

1529
01:12:09,399 --> 01:12:11,079
mean this and they're by the way, they were both

1530
01:12:11,119 --> 01:12:14,680
undefeated going into this fight. Tj A combined eighty one

1531
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:17,560
and oh hello, and you know they're both in the

1532
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:20,560
Hall of Fame now obviously. And the thing about also

1533
01:12:21,039 --> 01:12:23,039
Mayweather and I actually looked this up because and then

1534
01:12:23,039 --> 01:12:24,880
we're going to talk about this because I was trying

1535
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:27,000
to remember, like how big of a favorite was made

1536
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:28,840
whether to win. Yeah, he was the favorite. It was

1537
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:30,479
only a two to one favorite in terms of the

1538
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:33,439
betting gods. I mean, that's not astronomical in this type

1539
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:35,520
of fight, when Floyd was already considered pound for pound,

1540
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:40,479
but just a huge, huge event in Vegas, one of

1541
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:42,239
the more memorable ones of all the many I have

1542
01:12:42,279 --> 01:12:46,520
covered at the MGM, And you know, it's it was

1543
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:48,800
a different time, like that era is gone, and it's

1544
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:51,640
like that was so exciting, especially when Ricky would come

1545
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:53,439
to America, whether it was against Floyd or is against

1546
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:55,359
Pacao or even some of the fights are a little

1547
01:12:55,359 --> 01:12:58,720
bit smaller than that, but this was huge. And as

1548
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:00,239
my wife reminded me of when I met and shn

1549
01:13:00,279 --> 01:13:03,079
we be talking about this about Ricky Hatten's mom and

1550
01:13:03,119 --> 01:13:03,840
I'm meeting in her.

1551
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:06,359
Speaker 1: The good news is that missus Hatton probably doesn't remember

1552
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:09,000
much about that whole week or weekend, and probably didn't for.

1553
01:13:09,359 --> 01:13:12,439
Speaker 2: She was when I say, three sheets to the wind.

1554
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:18,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, now let's move forward. Also on Sunday, December eighth,

1555
01:13:18,399 --> 01:13:22,880
five years to twelve years ago, December eighth of twenty twelve,

1556
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:27,800
Juan Manuel Marquez and this is still known. I mean,

1557
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:29,920
we've been talking a lot this weekend about the Hall

1558
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:33,399
of Fame career of Manny Pacquiao, but this is one

1559
01:13:33,479 --> 01:13:36,479
of the moments. I don't know how much he actually

1560
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:40,119
would physically remember about getting starched with the right hand

1561
01:13:40,159 --> 01:13:42,960
on the way in against Juan Manuel Marquees. You were there,

1562
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:47,279
the knockout of the year, the fight of the year,

1563
01:13:47,399 --> 01:13:52,039
the fight of the decade. Rayfield there for Marquez is

1564
01:13:52,279 --> 01:13:57,800
one punch ko that laid many Pacquiao out face first.

1565
01:13:58,039 --> 01:14:01,800
All right, let's go back to what you recall about

1566
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:02,760
that whole situation.

1567
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:07,079
Speaker 2: Certainly the knockout is what everybody remembers, you know, big punch,

1568
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:10,000
just as the round is about to end, and he

1569
01:14:10,159 --> 01:14:12,279
just man, he takes his like eye off it or

1570
01:14:12,319 --> 01:14:14,760
the foot off the gas. Here's the clapper and just

1571
01:14:15,079 --> 01:14:17,640
forgets about what's going on for a split second, and

1572
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:23,439
here comes the gigantic overhand right on the button, face first,

1573
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:28,560
out fucking cold, almost into the lap of then presidential

1574
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:32,560
nominee for the Republican candidacy of Mitt Romney was sitting

1575
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:35,000
ringside with his wife. Well, I guess the election had

1576
01:14:35,079 --> 01:14:37,359
just been over and he had lost the election, but

1577
01:14:37,399 --> 01:14:40,279
he was there ringside in Pacio. There's a famous picture

1578
01:14:40,279 --> 01:14:42,880
that where you see Romney is like in the shot

1579
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:45,880
where Pacio is almost like in his lap, uh, you know,

1580
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:47,359
sitting on the you know a s He's you want

1581
01:14:47,399 --> 01:14:47,680
me to.

1582
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:50,560
Speaker 1: Say it, don't you. He's not getting up Jim. He's

1583
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:52,560
not getting up Jim from Roy Jones.

1584
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:56,159
Speaker 2: That's the famous call from on HBO on HBO pay

1585
01:14:56,159 --> 01:14:59,159
per view. So but so, like I said, the knockout

1586
01:14:59,199 --> 01:15:01,359
is what everybody remember. Now up, keep in mind this

1587
01:15:01,399 --> 01:15:05,039
is now their fourth meeting. Okay. The other three fights

1588
01:15:05,039 --> 01:15:10,319
that Pacquiao and Marquez had were all three superb outstanding fights.

1589
01:15:10,359 --> 01:15:16,199
First fight awesome, second fight tremendous, Third fight tremendous. Never

1590
01:15:16,359 --> 01:15:18,760
of the three fights was their definitive winner. The first

1591
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:21,560
fight was ruled to draw, even though Manny had scored

1592
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:25,439
three knockdowns against Marquees in the first round. Second fight

1593
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:28,079
super close, Third fight super close for me, and I

1594
01:15:28,199 --> 01:15:30,960
was ringside for all four of their fights. I don't

1595
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:34,000
have pak Ya winning any of them. I got Marquez

1596
01:15:34,079 --> 01:15:36,920
winning two or maybe three, and I got one of

1597
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:39,359
them a draw. I mean they were close fights, but

1598
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:42,199
Marquez came out on the short short end. So going

1599
01:15:42,239 --> 01:15:44,600
into the fourth fight, which was the only fight of

1600
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:46,760
the four that was not for a major world title,

1601
01:15:47,039 --> 01:15:50,239
the first fight had been to unify well the featherweight

1602
01:15:50,279 --> 01:15:55,439
title that Marquez had and Pacya was delineal champion. Second

1603
01:15:55,439 --> 01:15:57,239
fight was for the one hundred and thirty pound title.

1604
01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:00,880
Third fight for the I believe it was the welterweight title.

1605
01:16:01,319 --> 01:16:03,239
But now in the fourth fight, they're not. None of

1606
01:16:03,279 --> 01:16:05,399
them have belts at this point, but it's still a

1607
01:16:05,399 --> 01:16:08,279
fight that people wanted to see. And the whole talking

1608
01:16:08,319 --> 01:16:11,159
point going in I remember this particular is going into

1609
01:16:11,159 --> 01:16:12,920
the fourth fight, is are we going to finally get

1610
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:16,279
a definitive ending whoever the winner is, because there's no really,

1611
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:21,239
uh you know, overall opinion from the fans and or

1612
01:16:21,359 --> 01:16:23,520
the media of who is the winner of these fights

1613
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:25,720
because every one of them had some controversy attention then

1614
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:29,199
based on those results, so you can't get a more

1615
01:16:29,279 --> 01:16:33,840
conclusive and clear cut outcome as a face first out

1616
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:36,000
for the count, could you know the referee could have

1617
01:16:36,079 --> 01:16:38,880
Kenny Bayliss was the ref who's now just was elected

1618
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:40,520
to the Hall of Fame also, so now I got

1619
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:41,800
all three guys in the ring in the Hall of Fame,

1620
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:44,880
Manypacyo Marquez en Bailess could accounted to one hundred because

1621
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:46,640
he was out, So that was the definitive ending that

1622
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:48,399
we all wanted whoever was going to be the winner.

1623
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:52,119
Speaker 1: So now interesting that I'll prop our colleague Gail Falconfall.

1624
01:16:52,279 --> 01:16:54,600
She's told us this story before, and I can't remember

1625
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:58,319
if I've repeated this to you, but through circumstances of

1626
01:16:58,359 --> 01:17:02,279
somebody being ill, she suddenly got called in San Diego.

1627
01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:04,760
It may have even dan been the morning of the

1628
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:08,800
fight of we need somebody there to get the quotes

1629
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:11,479
to file a story, and she was willing to get

1630
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:14,079
to Las Vegas to be there. And the way that

1631
01:17:14,199 --> 01:17:17,680
she recalled it was she was in the overflow media

1632
01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:22,319
section and I believe she said that they were coming

1633
01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:27,279
towards her. Pacquiao was coming towards her, and she said

1634
01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:32,119
she thought he's dead, and he did not move. She

1635
01:17:32,359 --> 01:17:38,479
was legitimately not hyperbolic, scared he's dead. He's laying there

1636
01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:40,800
not moving. That was her reaction.

1637
01:17:41,359 --> 01:17:44,319
Speaker 2: You were closer, I didn't quite think that. But the

1638
01:17:44,359 --> 01:17:46,800
way that it was now where I was sitting, I

1639
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:50,239
was at ringside, directly on the So the way that

1640
01:17:50,279 --> 01:17:52,880
they are set up, they're shooting the TV over hour backs.

1641
01:17:53,119 --> 01:17:55,840
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're on the opposite side. If you saw

1642
01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:58,359
Meaw going away from you right right, you.

1643
01:17:58,319 --> 01:18:02,079
Speaker 2: See Mitt Romney, they're catching Pacyaw. I'm on the opposite

1644
01:18:02,079 --> 01:18:04,079
side of the ring. In the front row. Okay, so

1645
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:05,800
they're as far away.

1646
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:08,920
Speaker 1: Initially, could you tell that he had been laid out

1647
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:11,560
or to take a second to register no? No, In

1648
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:14,159
a minute that was a punch, no, no, face down,

1649
01:18:14,159 --> 01:18:14,600
you could tell.

1650
01:18:15,119 --> 01:18:16,960
Speaker 2: I've been to enough fights where a guy goes face first,

1651
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:18,800
you know he's fucking knocked the fuck out. There was

1652
01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:21,000
no question that many had been knocked out. The question

1653
01:18:21,159 --> 01:18:24,279
was how devastating of a knockout was it. I mean,

1654
01:18:24,319 --> 01:18:28,279
I can remember instantaneously thinking, basically what Roy Jones said,

1655
01:18:28,279 --> 01:18:30,479
he ain't getting up. I wasn't thinking of Jim Lambley,

1656
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:33,199
but I'm like, he's out. Uh. And that shocking. And

1657
01:18:33,239 --> 01:18:36,319
the reason why, what made it more shocking than just

1658
01:18:36,399 --> 01:18:41,119
the pure violence and esthetics of the KO was the

1659
01:18:41,119 --> 01:18:43,119
fact that leading up to this moment in the fight,

1660
01:18:43,199 --> 01:18:45,439
this is at the end of the sixth round, it

1661
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:47,720
had already been in all out fucking war. I mean,

1662
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:50,279
as good as their first three fights were, this is

1663
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:52,520
as I said, this was the fight of the decade.

1664
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:55,319
I don't even think it's Honestly, I don't think there's

1665
01:18:55,359 --> 01:18:57,840
another real candidate that could be the fight of the

1666
01:18:57,880 --> 01:19:01,039
decade other than this fight. Interesting because leading into this

1667
01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:04,239
sixth round knockout you already had. First of all, they

1668
01:19:04,279 --> 01:19:06,680
know each other, they've already had thirty six rounds together.

1669
01:19:07,319 --> 01:19:10,079
You have Manny Pacol, he gets knocked down in the

1670
01:19:10,119 --> 01:19:13,319
third round, he comes back, he knocks down Marquez in

1671
01:19:13,359 --> 01:19:17,960
the fifth round. Obviously you know Marquez knocked him on

1672
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:21,239
in the sixth round. But before the knockout happened, Manny

1673
01:19:21,279 --> 01:19:25,720
pacl is absolutely about to obliterate on Manuel Marquez. Marquez

1674
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:29,239
is bleeding, he's been damaged, he's been punched, he's been dropped,

1675
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:33,399
and he is gunning for a stoppage. He is about

1676
01:19:33,479 --> 01:19:37,359
to stop Marquez and have the definitive ending that everybody

1677
01:19:37,399 --> 01:19:39,520
wanted to see whoever was the winner. And in an

1678
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:44,159
instant Marquez, who was bloody and about to get stopped,

1679
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:46,920
comes over the top with that shot when he lets

1680
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:49,640
off the gas packel for just a split second after

1681
01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:51,600
he hears the clapper right at the end of the round,

1682
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:55,640
and he gets knocked into oblivion. So I have said

1683
01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:59,680
this many times. Sometimes you're the windshield and sometimes you're

1684
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:02,359
the bus. Can I use the example take Manny Pacyaw

1685
01:20:02,479 --> 01:20:05,840
knocking out Ricky Hadden on that night a devastating knockout

1686
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:08,279
that went in Manny Packyoo's favor on this night. It

1687
01:20:08,319 --> 01:20:10,680
was exactly the same thing, but worse than phase first,

1688
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:12,279
where he is the one getting nighed.

1689
01:20:12,319 --> 01:20:15,359
Speaker 1: Would you say, because he's now officially a Hall of Famer,

1690
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:21,079
would you say that is the most shocking knockout of

1691
01:20:21,119 --> 01:20:24,800
your coverage of your career, just for the circumstance that

1692
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:27,600
you just laid out that. It was shocking that in

1693
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:32,279
one instance it completely one p eighty turned and ended

1694
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:34,680
on that punch with what you just laid out.

1695
01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:36,840
Speaker 2: Now, I wasn't present when this happened, but I was

1696
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:39,479
writing about boxing and obviously was watching it live on television.

1697
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:42,279
I was rather shocked when out of nowhere, Hassim Rockman

1698
01:20:42,359 --> 01:20:43,960
knocked out Nux Louise to win this. Correct.

1699
01:20:44,159 --> 01:20:46,119
Speaker 1: Correct, you've told that story.

1700
01:20:46,119 --> 01:20:49,359
Speaker 2: Of course, in terms of fights, I've been ringside for Yeah.

1701
01:20:49,399 --> 01:20:51,439
When you see like arguably the number one fighter in

1702
01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:55,720
boxing pound for pound, who's about to stop his greatest rival,

1703
01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:58,239
who was also a clear and obvious Hall of Famer,

1704
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:02,079
and in an instant ages when you think it's about

1705
01:21:02,119 --> 01:21:03,600
to be ended in the other this is not just

1706
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:05,199
like he came back and he stopped the guy. This

1707
01:21:05,319 --> 01:21:08,359
is like he's about to get stopped himself, and he

1708
01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:11,039
turns it around and scores and not only stops him,

1709
01:21:11,239 --> 01:21:14,399
but one of the most pulverizing I mean, it's one

1710
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:16,319
of the knockouts. Forget about the knock out of the year.

1711
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:20,840
If you were to make a list of the most biggest, significant,

1712
01:21:21,239 --> 01:21:25,840
earth shattering, violent, whatever criteria you want to use, knockouts

1713
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:29,079
in the history of boxing. Manny Pat you know, going

1714
01:21:29,119 --> 01:21:32,880
face first against Marquez in this fight is in the conversation,

1715
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:35,439
is it? I mean, I don't know if it's.

1716
01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:37,279
Speaker 1: It's gotta be in the top five, if not in

1717
01:21:37,319 --> 01:21:39,760
the top two or three, if not number one, don't I.

1718
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:43,560
Speaker 2: Don't know if does it trump Buster Douglas knocking out Tyson?

1719
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:47,039
Does it trump you know, Muhammad Ali knocking out George Foreman?

1720
01:21:47,319 --> 01:21:51,720
I mean those it's but it's in that historical you know, neighborhood, right,

1721
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:57,600
I mean. And so just a remarkable promotion, a remarkable fight,

1722
01:21:58,159 --> 01:22:03,479
a historical fight, and and absolutely unforgettable ending just imprinted

1723
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:08,119
in my brain because I can when I think about it,

1724
01:22:08,119 --> 01:22:10,039
and I don't even have words to express it, like

1725
01:22:10,079 --> 01:22:14,000
I can still in my mind feel the energy and

1726
01:22:14,079 --> 01:22:17,199
just sort of like the just the electricity of the moment.

1727
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:21,239
And that's even before, Like I didn't hear Roy Jones

1728
01:22:21,359 --> 01:22:23,399
saying he's not getting up Jim when I get home

1729
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:25,119
from the fight. Now I go back and I review

1730
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:29,319
the broadcast and then you hear you get excited all

1731
01:22:29,359 --> 01:22:31,159
over again because you see from a different perspective and

1732
01:22:31,199 --> 01:22:33,399
you hear what the commentators were seeing. But I knew

1733
01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:36,000
right away sitting there along with my other rings psyche

1734
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:39,800
colleagues that a You've just seen the kind of knockout

1735
01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:41,560
that you're not necessarily going to see ever again, and

1736
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:44,279
in terms of the context of the historical nature of

1737
01:22:44,319 --> 01:22:48,159
the fight, and then it's placed in history because you know,

1738
01:22:48,199 --> 01:22:50,600
you're seeing two all time greats do their thing. You know,

1739
01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:53,720
it's the fourth fight. I had the great fortune of

1740
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:56,119
having been a ringside for the previous three fights, and

1741
01:22:56,199 --> 01:22:58,520
so to see the series close out like this was like,

1742
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:01,600
you know, kind of mind blowing. So I'm always going

1743
01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:02,960
to have a soft spot in my heart for the

1744
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:06,399
four fight series between Pacio and Marques. I mean, you know,

1745
01:23:06,439 --> 01:23:08,159
I considered a real privilege to have been able to

1746
01:23:08,199 --> 01:23:09,399
be at all four of them. But to be at

1747
01:23:09,399 --> 01:23:12,239
this one in particular was just off the charts, I mean,

1748
01:23:12,319 --> 01:23:14,680
just a great fight and a sick ending. And the

1749
01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:17,079
thing about it is, to Manny Pacio's credit, where a

1750
01:23:17,079 --> 01:23:19,159
lot of people, i mean, if you listen to the broadcast,

1751
01:23:19,159 --> 01:23:21,800
they're talking about lake how you know many packa may

1752
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:23,640
never fight again after that kind of knockout. I mean

1753
01:23:24,079 --> 01:23:27,840
it had it was that devastating of a loss. Manny

1754
01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:30,279
Pacyo actually is one of the few fighters in boxing

1755
01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:34,720
that not only overcame that kind of devastating knockout, but

1756
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:38,560
came back and won some other significant fights and ultimately

1757
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:40,680
found his way into the Mega fight against Floyd maybether

1758
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:45,159
Not meanwhile, marquees his next fight, he lost to Timothy Bradley,

1759
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:48,199
you know, ten months later, and you know, he went

1760
01:23:48,239 --> 01:23:50,079
on on some other fights also, he only fought actually

1761
01:23:50,119 --> 01:23:52,279
two more times. He fought the Bradley fight, and then

1762
01:23:52,279 --> 01:23:54,520
he fought the Mike Alverado fight, which he won, and

1763
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:56,439
then because of a knee injury, he retired. So this

1764
01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:59,039
was really, you know, in any ways, the end of

1765
01:23:59,359 --> 01:24:01,279
Marquez's as the top top.

1766
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:04,199
Speaker 1: But if you're gonna have a moment, oh yeah, oh

1767
01:24:04,239 --> 01:24:06,439
my God, is that a moment and it's it's still

1768
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:10,039
an internet meme to this day. Incredible and that was

1769
01:24:10,119 --> 01:24:11,000
twelve years ago.

1770
01:24:11,239 --> 01:24:13,319
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go back and watch that again after we're done,

1771
01:24:13,359 --> 01:24:14,800
because I have a less while.

1772
01:24:15,199 --> 01:24:17,000
Speaker 1: All Right, one more thing and then we're gonna get

1773
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:22,000
out of here. Happy birthday also on December the eighth,

1774
01:24:22,079 --> 01:24:27,279
to Bob Aram who turned ninety three years young on Sunday.

1775
01:24:27,279 --> 01:24:30,880
How about that for the long time top rank boxing

1776
01:24:31,119 --> 01:24:32,159
Ubah who.

1777
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:35,520
Speaker 2: Promoted many paco against one Manuel Marquez, all.

1778
01:24:35,399 --> 01:24:38,399
Speaker 1: Four of them, among dozens of other fighters and fights

1779
01:24:38,399 --> 01:24:41,199
that he's promoted over the past what six seven decades

1780
01:24:41,199 --> 01:24:41,560
of doing that?

1781
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:43,680
Speaker 2: If I'd say dozens, it's really like hundreds.

1782
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:48,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, amazing career for Bob. Did you reach out to

1783
01:24:48,479 --> 01:24:52,039
him earlier today and giving the MBD? Giv him the emoji,

1784
01:24:52,039 --> 01:24:53,319
give him the birthday kick emoji?

1785
01:24:53,359 --> 01:24:56,399
Speaker 2: What'd you do? Bob was in Phoenix for his boxing

1786
01:24:56,399 --> 01:24:59,840
event on Saturday night with Emmanuel never Ata in Oscar Valdez,

1787
01:25:00,279 --> 01:25:03,319
and he had actually mentioned this to me recently when

1788
01:25:03,359 --> 01:25:05,079
I spoke to him that he was going to celebrate

1789
01:25:05,119 --> 01:25:07,479
his birthday in Phoenix. They were having like some of

1790
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:09,159
some of his family members had made the trip. I

1791
01:25:09,199 --> 01:25:10,520
don't know if he was doing in Phoenix or he

1792
01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:12,199
was going back to Vegas. I think he was telling

1793
01:25:12,239 --> 01:25:13,359
me he was going to be in Phoenix, that they

1794
01:25:13,399 --> 01:25:16,520
were having like some kind of lunch gathering in a small,

1795
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:19,920
you know, intimate celebration. But I did text Bob Happy

1796
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:24,279
Birthday earlier in the day. And you know, ninety three

1797
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:27,319
and still going to all the fights, still sitting the

1798
01:25:27,359 --> 01:25:29,840
ring side, still showing up, still doing the business, still

1799
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:32,560
talking about the future, still talking about other big things

1800
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:34,039
he wants to other fights he wants to make. I

1801
01:25:34,119 --> 01:25:37,000
mean I remember years ago, like you know, maybe when

1802
01:25:37,039 --> 01:25:38,600
Bob was in his eighties or whatever, and people let

1803
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:39,920
you know, Boby going to retire, and it was like

1804
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:42,960
laughable because Bob Aaron was never going to retire. He's going.

1805
01:25:43,119 --> 01:25:46,800
If he retired, I think he would have died years

1806
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:49,920
ago out of boredom of not doing the boxing business,

1807
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:53,680
which has been his life for you know, over sixty years.

1808
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:56,239
I mean, he promoted his first fight in nineteen sixty six,

1809
01:25:56,600 --> 01:25:58,560
you know, it was a Muhammad Ali World Championship fight

1810
01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:02,000
in Canada when he fought George and he is promoted

1811
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:05,079
pretty much every big name you could think of between

1812
01:26:05,079 --> 01:26:08,039
now and then been you know, all due respect to

1813
01:26:08,119 --> 01:26:11,520
Don King to me anyway, I think he's the greatest

1814
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:14,359
promoter of all time. And the difference between him and

1815
01:26:14,399 --> 01:26:17,319
Don is that Don was a larger than life character

1816
01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:19,920
and obviously he could get could shout the word from

1817
01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:21,800
the rooftops, and you know, people knew who he was

1818
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:25,079
with the crazy hair and the big bellowing voice. But

1819
01:26:25,199 --> 01:26:27,960
Don was more about Don. Don promoted himself more than

1820
01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:30,199
his fights and his fighters. Bob was never the guy

1821
01:26:30,199 --> 01:26:33,079
that did that. Bob promoted you know, he could say

1822
01:26:33,119 --> 01:26:35,319
and talk with anybody also, but he was more about

1823
01:26:35,359 --> 01:26:38,159
the fighters and the fights and the events than himself

1824
01:26:38,159 --> 01:26:39,720
being front center. In other words, if you take a

1825
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:43,319
look at the last you know, fifteen years, maybe longer,

1826
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:45,479
you might see Bob in some way in pictures and

1827
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:47,079
this and that, but you don't see Bob butt in.

1828
01:26:47,359 --> 01:26:49,560
He keeps a little bit more of a low profile

1829
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:52,319
at his events. He handles the business. He's got a staff.

1830
01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:55,560
They run it like a machine. But I say this,

1831
01:26:55,720 --> 01:26:59,119
Bob Aaron again, I've known Bob for twenty five years.

1832
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:03,560
Is forget about boxing. He's one of the smartest, savviest

1833
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:06,359
people I've ever met in boxing or out of boxing,

1834
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:10,800
just just really has a way about him. Can be

1835
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:15,960
extremely kind and generous and funny, but can also stab

1836
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:17,920
you in the heart. You know, if if you, if

1837
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:20,640
you it if needed, I mean I don't. I don't

1838
01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:23,199
mean that as an insult. I mean that's he runs

1839
01:27:23,239 --> 01:27:26,359
a business. It's it's you don't survive at the top

1840
01:27:26,399 --> 01:27:29,600
of the roughest boxing business. There is the sport of

1841
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:33,159
boxing as cutthroat as anything in the history of the world.

1842
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:35,760
You don't stay top of the food chain for sixty

1843
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:42,680
five years without having balls and backing money and and

1844
01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:46,319
and ability to sell and to convince people, but also

1845
01:27:46,079 --> 01:27:49,279
to to listen to younger people and take their ideas.

1846
01:27:49,319 --> 01:27:51,880
One thing that's awesome about Bob because that he may

1847
01:27:51,880 --> 01:27:54,760
be ninety three years old, but he still thinks about things.

1848
01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:57,760
He still has ideas, but he doesn't think he knows everything.

1849
01:27:58,119 --> 01:28:01,640
Has he surrounded himself with an outstanding group of younger people, staff,

1850
01:28:01,680 --> 01:28:05,319
people who bring to him ideas. Now he granted he

1851
01:28:05,359 --> 01:28:07,520
has stepped away from running the day to day business.

1852
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:10,760
He's not immersed in the minutia of every single nook

1853
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:13,119
and cranny like he was for decades. But that is

1854
01:28:13,159 --> 01:28:15,279
a testament to his management style that he has hired

1855
01:28:15,279 --> 01:28:17,520
good people to surround himself with they can do that

1856
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:19,600
for him. He has the final say if he wants it.

1857
01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:21,920
It's his company. He owns the majority of the of

1858
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:24,800
the firm, but he listens to his people. I'm talking

1859
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:27,279
about people like his steps on Todd the buff and

1860
01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:30,560
the lawyer Jeremy Kogel, and Brad Jacobs who's the COEO.

1861
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And Carl Moretti who's the vice president, his matchmakers, Brad

1862
01:28:34,079 --> 01:28:36,600
Goodman and Bruce Tramper. I mean, he's got a tremendous

1863
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:39,880
staff of folks that work for him. But Bob is

1864
01:28:40,119 --> 01:28:42,000
to me, he's the goat when it comes to promoters.

1865
01:28:42,199 --> 01:28:45,680
I'll just say that Bob over the years now, but

1866
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:49,359
I'll say this also, we may have had some terrible

1867
01:28:49,399 --> 01:28:54,279
moments together, some really terrible moments, but in the totality,

1868
01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:57,960
out of one hundred percent of the time I've been

1869
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:00,000
around Bob or covered him, or been with him or

1870
01:29:00,039 --> 01:29:01,640
talk to him or whatever you want to call it,

1871
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:05,840
the bad times have been absolutely horrendous, but that's a

1872
01:29:05,960 --> 01:29:08,079
very small amount of the overall thing. Like I would

1873
01:29:08,119 --> 01:29:12,359
say like ninety five plus percent of my involvement or

1874
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:16,359
conversations or dealings with or whatever have been perfectly nice,

1875
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:20,640
pleasant and fun frankly with the small percentage that have

1876
01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:23,119
been very hael and poor.

1877
01:29:23,399 --> 01:29:26,760
Speaker 1: So again, it's amazing. Ninety three Don King is what

1878
01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:31,119
also ninety three rivals adversaries and they're they're the same age.

1879
01:29:31,119 --> 01:29:33,399
They've made it to their nineties and this is remarkable.

1880
01:29:33,720 --> 01:29:37,039
I'm not trying to start a death pool here on

1881
01:29:37,319 --> 01:29:40,119
the Fight Preach U Night Recap podcast, but you start

1882
01:29:40,159 --> 01:29:44,039
going down a list of William Shatner, Captain Kirk is

1883
01:29:44,079 --> 01:29:47,239
like ninety two or ninety three. Barbara Eden Genie from

1884
01:29:47,279 --> 01:29:49,560
I Dream of Genie, the famous show in the sixties

1885
01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:52,439
and the seventies, is ninety three years old. Clint Eastwood

1886
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:58,199
is ninety the famous actor director is ninety three years old. You,

1887
01:29:58,359 --> 01:30:01,920
I mean, it's just amazing. Have a contemplate making it

1888
01:30:02,079 --> 01:30:06,760
to ninety ninety two, ninety three. How about to bring

1889
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:09,520
it back to football as we began. Marv Levy, the

1890
01:30:09,560 --> 01:30:13,239
famous Buffalo Bill's coach where they lost the four Super Bowls.

1891
01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:17,399
He's ninety nine years old and still I mean, it's incredible.

1892
01:30:17,479 --> 01:30:20,840
Ray Field to contemplate being ninety something years old and

1893
01:30:20,880 --> 01:30:23,279
still functioning like these people are.

1894
01:30:23,640 --> 01:30:26,439
Speaker 2: My dear friend Larry Merchant also was ninety three years old.

1895
01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:27,239
Speaker 1: It's incredible.

1896
01:30:27,479 --> 01:30:29,640
Speaker 2: And I listened when I was in Los Angeles in

1897
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:32,960
August at the at the Terrence Crawford MAGMUV Card. One

1898
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:35,039
of the best parts of that trip was getting a

1899
01:30:35,119 --> 01:30:37,319
chance to watch the fight in the press box, sit

1900
01:30:37,399 --> 01:30:40,119
next to Larry and chop out. I talked to Larry,

1901
01:30:40,159 --> 01:30:41,920
you know still, but we hadn't seen each other in

1902
01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:44,800
a while, So yeah, I mean, these these folks may

1903
01:30:44,840 --> 01:30:47,560
be older, but if you talk to Bob, you know,

1904
01:30:47,640 --> 01:30:50,039
if you talk to Larry like, they'll still you know,

1905
01:30:50,159 --> 01:30:52,319
don You'll they'll still rattle off. You know, they still

1906
01:30:52,319 --> 01:30:54,680
have their their marbles and their memories and they're smarts.

1907
01:30:54,720 --> 01:30:57,880
But Bob is one of the smartest, savviest people I

1908
01:30:57,880 --> 01:31:01,920
have ever known period. I mean, what else can I say?

1909
01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:04,640
And he's a brilliant promoter and the track record of

1910
01:31:04,640 --> 01:31:07,479
top Rank speaks for itself. Like I said, been around

1911
01:31:07,479 --> 01:31:10,520
since the late sixties. I guess it changed the name

1912
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:12,199
a few years after it was founded. But the point

1913
01:31:12,239 --> 01:31:13,640
is nineteen sixty.

1914
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Speaker 1: Watch I'm gonna blow you away. You and I are

1915
01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:18,800
the same age. We're both fifty four years old. We

1916
01:31:18,920 --> 01:31:25,800
would turn ninety three in twenty sixty three. Brother, think

1917
01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:28,600
about how on the Moon? As I like to say,

1918
01:31:28,640 --> 01:31:32,279
how on Pluto twenty sixty three seems like it is?

1919
01:31:33,039 --> 01:31:35,800
And Bob Barram's ninety three years out talking.

1920
01:31:35,560 --> 01:31:38,560
Speaker 2: About the changes in the boxing business, Yes, just since

1921
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:40,920
he started in nineteen sixty six when he was a

1922
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:41,399
younger guy.

1923
01:31:41,399 --> 01:31:44,800
Speaker 1: I remember fights and fights primarily on black and white TV,

1924
01:31:45,359 --> 01:31:48,399
closed circuit if it was a big event. Forget about

1925
01:31:48,439 --> 01:31:51,840
color TV, forget about pay per view, forget about the

1926
01:31:51,960 --> 01:31:54,199
Internet and an app. Forget about any of that.

1927
01:31:54,399 --> 01:31:56,439
Speaker 2: So that's the thing he started when it was a

1928
01:31:56,520 --> 01:31:59,680
closed circuit or television black and white. Then it moved

1929
01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:04,760
to more close circuit cable television, pay per view. Now

1930
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:07,399
of course he's involved with streaming. Look the fights that

1931
01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:11,479
Top Rank does, Yes, most of them are on ESPN

1932
01:32:11,560 --> 01:32:14,039
the network, but they're all on ESPN plus the app.

1933
01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:17,640
I mean that is the Internet did not exist. I

1934
01:32:17,640 --> 01:32:21,000
mean there was no viral videos, there was no social media.

1935
01:32:21,399 --> 01:32:22,800
I mean, do you had to get the word out

1936
01:32:22,840 --> 01:32:24,239
the way that you got the word out, which is

1937
01:32:24,279 --> 01:32:27,760
through newspapers and through radio interviews and some stuff on television,

1938
01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:31,800
magazines and newspapers and that sort of old school media.

1939
01:32:31,800 --> 01:32:33,479
And Bob is one of the things that has set

1940
01:32:33,520 --> 01:32:36,119
him apart I think from a Don King and others,

1941
01:32:36,199 --> 01:32:38,640
is that he was willing to change with the times, yep,

1942
01:32:38,760 --> 01:32:42,199
and to embrace those technologies. And that is a reason

1943
01:32:42,239 --> 01:32:44,079
why Top Rank has been as successful as it is.

1944
01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:46,800
To me, again, I don't have to kiss Bob's ass.

1945
01:32:47,319 --> 01:32:49,920
It's the most successful boxing promotion company in the history

1946
01:32:49,960 --> 01:32:52,199
of boxing, and honestly, I don't even think it's close.

1947
01:32:53,239 --> 01:32:56,479
Speaker 1: Happy birthday, Bob Aaron, all right, that will close it

1948
01:32:56,520 --> 01:33:01,159
out here again, lots of recapping of the top ranked

1949
01:33:01,159 --> 01:33:04,920
card and the knockouts by Navorate and Espinoza, the win

1950
01:33:05,039 --> 01:33:10,119
by Richardson Hitchens, the news, the nostalgia. I think we're good.

1951
01:33:10,520 --> 01:33:12,800
I think we're ready to get get underway with another way.

1952
01:33:12,840 --> 01:33:14,960
Only three weeks left in this year, by the way,

1953
01:33:15,560 --> 01:33:18,239
and we're pushing towards the Usik Fury rematch in a

1954
01:33:18,279 --> 01:33:18,920
couple of weeks.

1955
01:33:19,079 --> 01:33:20,920
Speaker 2: Heijit. That makes me think I got to start thinking

1956
01:33:20,960 --> 01:33:23,720
more and more particular about I mean there's still some

1957
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:25,800
things to happen, but Fighter of the Year, Fight of

1958
01:33:25,800 --> 01:33:27,199
the Year, knock out.

1959
01:33:27,920 --> 01:33:29,720
Speaker 1: We got to start roll calling that a little bit

1960
01:33:29,800 --> 01:33:33,279
later on here in this month. Start getting it together,

1961
01:33:33,399 --> 01:33:36,720
my friend, have a good week. We appreciate it, Dan Rayphiel,

1962
01:33:36,960 --> 01:33:40,319
are you too, TJ. There is our insider Fight Freaks

1963
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1964
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1965
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1966
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1967
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1968
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1969
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1970
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1971
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1972
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1973
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