Speaker 1: It's Tuesday. You know what that means. It's time for
Speaker 1: ignition with the aw Fat podcast team. And we just
Speaker 1: saw Full Gear this past weekend, and part of this
Speaker 1: show is going to be a fallout from the Full
Speaker 1: Gear show. But we've got a lot more to talk about.
Speaker 1: But let's start with our thoughts on Full Gear. What
Speaker 1: did you guys think of this a w pay per view?
Speaker 2: If I were a betting man, I'd say that Sutton
Speaker 2: and I are probably gonna be on the same page
Speaker 2: about bringing this up. But I want to talk about
Speaker 2: the end of the pay per view.
Speaker 1: God forbid. I want to break it here and apologize
Speaker 1: to everybody listening because this is not going to be pretty.
Speaker 1: I can tell you.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's not.
Speaker 2: Let's knock the toughest thing off the list right now.
Speaker 2: I don't want to say Full Gear was underwhelming. I
Speaker 2: thought there were a lot of good matches. I thought
Speaker 2: there was a lot of good stories being told to
Speaker 2: the end of the pay per view. Kelson, by the way,
Speaker 2: to your chagrin, good call on Christian coming out. Man,
Speaker 2: Christian comes out to cash in his contract. Of course,
Speaker 2: interferences all over the place. You got a hangman and
Speaker 2: a page out there for whatever reason, you got Jay
Speaker 2: White out there. Makes sense that Jay was out there
Speaker 2: because he has unresolved beef with Christian. He was probably
Speaker 2: the only guy in that ring other than Christian who
Speaker 2: had a reason to be out there. So now I
Speaker 2: want to say, it didn't make a lot of sense
Speaker 2: to me because you know, obviously Hangman is supposed to
Speaker 2: be on that right that I'm going to crush everyone
Speaker 2: that got in the way of me and swerve campaign,
Speaker 2: and I guess he just decided out of nowhere that
Speaker 2: he wanted to be a w World champion again.
Speaker 3: Actually, the reason that Paige was there has asked himutely
Speaker 3: nothing to do with that. It asked the fact that
Speaker 3: Christian paid him. According to the way I saw it,
Speaker 3: Christian paid him to do what he could do to
Speaker 3: John Moxley to make him vulnerable to Christian. He just
Speaker 3: didn't count on j White.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think the other part of the puzzle
Speaker 4: you guys are missing is I think it was a
Speaker 4: few months back Christian promised Hangman the first title shot
Speaker 4: once he won the World Championship, So it totally made
Speaker 4: sense why Hangman was out there with Christian Cage. I
Speaker 4: loved the ending. Actually, because you got Christian in the
Speaker 4: World title Picture. You got Hangman who's now in the
Speaker 4: World title Picture. You got Jay White, who it appears
Speaker 4: is going to be the next challenger to John Moxley, which,
Speaker 4: please give me that match. I will take that every
Speaker 4: day of the week, Monday through its Sunday, thank you
Speaker 4: very much.
Speaker 5: And then and then you've got Darby Allen.
Speaker 4: So you got all these factors in the World Title Picture.
Speaker 4: We're not one hundred percent sure how the pieces going together.
Speaker 4: We we each have an idea, but I like this.
Speaker 4: I really like this.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna shop White go ahead, right all right, So
Speaker 2: I'm gonna make like the phony statement.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 2: Finally, for the first time in a w programming, we're
Speaker 2: getting an actual battle to belts, battle for.
Speaker 1: Hell.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, Jay White, Hangman, and Christian the only one that's
Speaker 3: gonna be involved in the title shot or the title
Speaker 3: picture from from now until Marshley loses. It's gonna be
Speaker 3: Christian only because he's got that stupid match. The other
Speaker 3: two aren't anything to do with that. It's all about them.
Speaker 3: That's the battle that they're gonna see. So it world's
Speaker 3: in You're gonna see what round three of Hangman and
Speaker 3: Jay White. So basically from the ending and the way
Speaker 3: it wents, I think we're still all pretty much we're
Speaker 3: on that page before this is gonna be. The next
Speaker 3: step is Derby.
Speaker 4: I don't think they do the Derby match and next year, Laura.
Speaker 1: Uh. A couple of things, Lauren, if you want to talk,
Speaker 1: just raise your hand. Second thing, that was not Max,
Speaker 1: that was talking. That was something even though I called
Speaker 1: on Max something, I'm.
Speaker 3: Sorry I didn't you call him.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I was looking at I was
Speaker 6: looking at the card for a full gear and and
Speaker 6: yeah with the Cassidy Mosley match, yeah that I feel
Speaker 6: she could have been a lot more polished because to
Speaker 6: me it seemed at times just a big mess. Like
Speaker 6: the direction wise, they could take this in many different directions,
Speaker 6: like because now you have Christian, you have him teasing
Speaker 6: his cash on was a contract, so that I think
Speaker 6: is going to really like be part of the whole thing.
Speaker 6: You like, May a month or two May, post post
Speaker 6: Maine in New Year, we might see Christian and the
Speaker 6: patriarchy taking on to death Riders and Moxleby before the
Speaker 6: elite guys come back like Kenny in the Bucks for
Speaker 6: that whole showdown with Box.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Max, she made really good points there.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing in my thought process on this. First
Speaker 1: of all, does how do I put this question? Do
Speaker 1: you guys think that what happened at the end of
Speaker 1: Full Gear justified the last four weeks was of the
Speaker 1: whole Moxley five weeks, six weeks of the Moxley and
Speaker 1: Death writers thing? Because to me, it didn't. I just
Speaker 1: don't feel like it's anywhere. I just don't think that
Speaker 1: there was anything. But I think that that show, and
Speaker 1: I've read a lot of comments that echo this, the
Speaker 1: ending of that show was just all over the place
Speaker 1: and cluster exactly.
Speaker 6: It was me asking more questions than what we had answered.
Speaker 1: He's here's the thing.
Speaker 2: It was a bad thing, you know, let me speak here.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing the question that I want answered. Then,
Speaker 1: because Max again made a good point and left a
Speaker 1: lot of questions. Are they good questions? Are they interesting questions?
Speaker 1: To me?
Speaker 5: No, they're not. I disagree with that.
Speaker 4: First of all, I love that they brought Willow back
Speaker 4: in this fashion, because you needed somebody like a Willow
Speaker 4: nightingale to counteract for lack of term what Marina Shaffir
Speaker 4: has been doing for Moxley's group. Again, I couldn't think
Speaker 4: of a very term than counteract.
Speaker 1: No, that's a good that's a good expert that I
Speaker 1: agree with you. That was really good because we've all
Speaker 1: been wondering what's Marina spear doot other than trying to
Speaker 1: steal Boxley from Renee.
Speaker 6: Willow? Are we gonna see a build to Willow versus Marino?
Speaker 6: Is that in the cards for Tony?
Speaker 1: Well, there's another way to look at it. Are we
Speaker 1: going to see the conglomeration still against the Death Writers? Still?
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, but I don't want to see that.
Speaker 3: I don't think we are because Willow is a part
Speaker 3: of them in some portions of the story, but she's
Speaker 3: really not. I mean, if you were gonna go, if
Speaker 3: I was gonna pick one of the women on the roster,
Speaker 3: that would have been a that I would have picked
Speaker 3: as a fit for the congomeration. It would have been
Speaker 3: Stat instead of Willow, because Stat has a history.
Speaker 1: Do you watch Stat though with the Men's channel?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: No, no, that that has nothing to do with it.
Speaker 1: That is the only woman on the roster that you
Speaker 1: like something.
Speaker 3: No, there's a bunch of them I like. But no, seriously,
Speaker 3: she's the only one that has a history with the
Speaker 3: best friends, which is Orange Cassidy. So there's more of
Speaker 3: a history with Statlander in there than there is with Willow.
Speaker 3: That's why I'm saying that. But what it comes down
Speaker 3: to the questions that are there. Yeah, there's more questions
Speaker 3: than we got answered. But the thing is you want
Speaker 3: more questions than you have answers for it, because if
Speaker 3: you have all the answers, now, what's the point in
Speaker 3: continuing the story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I have to expand on that stat didn't
Speaker 2: make up with Orange Cassidy after betraying him with Trumperetta
Speaker 2: when Trimperetta joined the Don Calls family before his spinal fusion.
Speaker 2: So I mean, like that have to backpedal on a
Speaker 2: whole bunch of story part telling to get her into
Speaker 2: that faction. Willo seems like a better fit.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: I love stat too, one of my favorite wrestlers on
Speaker 2: the roster, But like, I can't see it right now.
Speaker 1: Maybe in the future, maybe they're working towards reconciliation between
Speaker 1: Stat Willa. You never know. Slowly towards I mean.
Speaker 4: I personally wait want to see that not after the
Speaker 4: absolute war they went through it all out, which I
Speaker 4: loved that match, the street fight it all out, that
Speaker 4: was one of my favorites personally.
Speaker 1: Well, I will say this that we were all right
Speaker 1: that Orange Cassidy wasn't going to win that match. Congratulations everybody.
Speaker 1: Such an intelligent pick.
Speaker 2: And who would have thought we dah oh god.
Speaker 5: Well, I'm not no on that note. No, Shane, Like,
Speaker 5: and I've been saying this for a little while.
Speaker 4: Everybody's like one hundred percent convinced that it's gonna be
Speaker 4: Darby Allen who takes the title off of John Moxley,
Speaker 4: and that's most likely the direction they are going. But
Speaker 4: I'm not one hundred percent convinced about that because they're
Speaker 4: gaslighting Wheeler. You do so much that it feels like
Speaker 4: something big is going to happen. And that's why I'm like,
Speaker 4: maybe it could be Wheeler that takes the title off
Speaker 4: of Moxley. I'm just playing it out there as a possibility.
Speaker 4: I don't think you can completely dismiss it.
Speaker 1: You know, Wheeler, you have Stockholm.
Speaker 2: He's Stockholm syndrome, dude, Like he took direct defense during
Speaker 2: or two Orange Cassidy during that match with no other
Speaker 2: reason other than screwing him over. He didn't have to
Speaker 2: get involved. Max was gonna win and get the pin.
Speaker 2: But you know, Wheeler did the COUDI gran him. I
Speaker 2: don't see the Wheeler turn coming anytime soon. And I
Speaker 2: don't think that they're gonna pull the you know, pull
Speaker 2: the trigger on a belt on Darby until, like all
Speaker 2: in seriously next year. I think they're gonna drag this
Speaker 2: thing out. One thing we did get from this is
Speaker 2: faction warfare there for warfare though one where we had
Speaker 2: four factions involved with you know, the Death Riders at
Speaker 2: the end of this pay per view, So one way
Speaker 2: or the other, you know it's gonna make CE two
Speaker 2: really interesting.
Speaker 6: Okay, Well, what's.
Speaker 1: Another thing, Max, before you jump in, I had another
Speaker 1: thought process? Okay, question on this going back to Darby Allen,
Speaker 1: Claudio Castic Noley dismantled Darby Allen. That was not even
Speaker 1: a contest in my opinion. I mean, if they were
Speaker 1: going to put a belt or a championship opportunity on
Speaker 1: Darby Allen, don't you think that they would start building
Speaker 1: toward that with at least a decent showing. That was
Speaker 1: a glorified squash match for Claudio Castignole. I mean, seriously,
Speaker 1: to Shane's point, if they started now Darby Allen had
Speaker 1: Darby Allen's back at square one, I mean he's a
Speaker 1: zero for me. I mean, the most impressive thing he's
Speaker 1: done in a w is outside of the ring. He's
Speaker 1: not been impressive in the ring in recent memory. So
Speaker 1: he's got to get in the ring and start doing
Speaker 1: some matches. Maybe the C two is where he gets
Speaker 1: going Wednesday night, He's got brody King.
Speaker 3: That was that he was impressive in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if brody King beats beats him two, Darby.
Speaker 6: My thing is that the only time I've really been
Speaker 6: sold on the Darby Owen character and his whole thing
Speaker 6: is when he's with Sting and then we have no
Speaker 6: clue when he's coming back. He's enjoying retirement. But I
Speaker 6: wanted to I wanted to circle back to to that
Speaker 6: brand warfare thing that we're just talking about. Warfare, Yeah,
Speaker 6: the faction of warfare, because right now you have like
Speaker 6: four SO factions involved four SO groups. But here's something
Speaker 6: you guys got to keep in mind, especially getting into
Speaker 6: the new year and potentially building to the Spring. You
Speaker 6: remember at some point the Bucks are gonna come back. Oh,
Speaker 6: Kenny's gonna come back. All those guys are gonna come back,
Speaker 6: and and they're gonna fight Moxley.
Speaker 3: I have a feeling the Bucks are coming back at
Speaker 3: Wrestle Dream.
Speaker 5: You mean World End, a World's End?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, World's End, That's what I meant. Yeah, they've
Speaker 3: said that they're coming back at World's End, which is
Speaker 3: the next pay per view, So they're not going to
Speaker 3: be gone for much longer.
Speaker 1: Okay, but I know they said that they're also going
Speaker 1: to be wrestling at Wressell Dynasty.
Speaker 6: Okay, but the big question is are they going to
Speaker 6: bring Omega with them? Is going to come back down here?
Speaker 1: But that's if. If if Omega came back with the Bucks,
Speaker 1: it would be next year at this time, because there's
Speaker 1: just no way with how much that they are enemies
Speaker 1: right now, it would take a year's worth of reconciliation
Speaker 1: probably to set that back in the place.
Speaker 3: Well, Kings already said he's not wrestling in aw in
Speaker 3: near future. His first match is going to be in
Speaker 3: New Japan next year, and he's not coming back to
Speaker 3: aew right now because quote him, they don't need.
Speaker 1: Him true what he said. No, No, Tony Kahan, I
Speaker 1: believe yesterday, or at least on the media call for
Speaker 1: Full Gear, said that he does think that Kenny Omega
Speaker 1: is going to wrestle before Russell Dynasty. I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 1: I believe that was that so.
Speaker 6: But yeah, yeah, I agreed. But what I was trying
Speaker 6: to get at it was, I'm not saying Omega in
Speaker 6: the Bucks are going to reunite immediately. I mean, it's
Speaker 6: obviously gonna be a long burn, but it's still a
Speaker 6: something that might happen around all out next year. Possibly,
Speaker 6: Like that's something that I think would be in the
Speaker 6: cards for twenty five, is the elite versus the deaf
Speaker 6: erence possibly in stadium stampede.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you can't discount that Kenny Omega may
Speaker 1: work begrudgingly with the elite because they have a comp goal,
Speaker 1: meaning the destruction of the death writers. You never know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And like I said earlier, it's like on the
Speaker 6: ww GUD we're doing the same thing over there. It's
Speaker 6: a similar bi.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, you know, is there anything else in the
Speaker 1: Full Gear pay per view that we want to talk about.
Speaker 1: I mean, we could talk about I thought that there
Speaker 1: were great match.
Speaker 6: Okay, can we talk about the pre show? Then let's
Speaker 6: talk about QT versus AJ.
Speaker 3: So so I did a little research before that started.
Speaker 3: I wanted to check something on the numbers, and according
Speaker 3: to Google, the average concurrent viewers of the pre of
Speaker 3: the pre show on YouTube is normally one hundred thousand people.
Speaker 3: They never got that high this time. I was watching
Speaker 3: on the YouTube and the most it got to was
Speaker 3: like seventy five thousand. So the thought that AJ and
Speaker 3: then We're going to bring in this large number of
Speaker 3: viewers never panned out.
Speaker 1: I don't think that that's a good barometer something. And
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why I watched the Zero Hour. I
Speaker 1: know a lot of people to watch the Zero Hour
Speaker 1: that was that were in the live chat, and none
Speaker 1: of us were watching it on YouTube. I was watching
Speaker 1: it on Trouler along with a lot of other people. Right,
Speaker 1: keep a mid that that I think early on, I
Speaker 1: think YouTube was basically the advertised method to watch Zero Hour.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Shane, you had a thought.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I also have to throw it out there
Speaker 2: that that clip of QT versus AJ is the third
Speaker 2: most watched YouTube clip on aw's page, currently next to
Speaker 2: uh punk at, MJF and Cassidy.
Speaker 3: I can't believe they still got the Punk and MG
Speaker 3: have one on there.
Speaker 2: It's number two for some reason.
Speaker 6: In AW or are we talking like in general, because
Speaker 6: in general from what I've heard, it's the third most
Speaker 6: watched clip.
Speaker 2: No, it's the third most watched clip, like straight up
Speaker 2: on on a w YouTube channel.
Speaker 6: I thought it was in regards to like wrestling as
Speaker 6: a whole, because I know one.
Speaker 2: Was Yeah, no, hold on, you're talking about the Twitter analytics.
Speaker 2: That's Twitter. I was just talking about you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you.
Speaker 6: Never mind.
Speaker 2: I mean you're right, because that that also announced it.
Speaker 2: It's Joe and Hendri and nx T and then Punk's
Speaker 2: return and then a J for the a J and uh,
Speaker 2: what's his face?
Speaker 6: Marshall?
Speaker 3: It comes you're saying, it's Marshall, Marshall, Marshall.
Speaker 1: When it comes to Big a J. I don't think
Speaker 1: that there's any argument that that was it was a success.
Speaker 1: I think yeah, I tell you exactly what they what
Speaker 1: they were.
Speaker 6: It was a great.
Speaker 1: Well, let's what did you guys think of of the
Speaker 1: Chris Statlander Mercedes Monette match? I mean that was uh,
Speaker 1: that was something.
Speaker 6: That was something, Kelson, that was something. And I've seen
Speaker 6: Mercedes Monet at her best and at her worst in
Speaker 6: and outside of aw.
Speaker 1: And what did you think.
Speaker 6: I think that that carried that match? And that personally
Speaker 6: this is me. Mercedes Money has lost her touch. She
Speaker 6: has lost her touch on on the product and on
Speaker 6: the business. And it's and it's hard to see, you know,
Speaker 6: because I I grew up with fake and I was
Speaker 6: a teenager when she was Sasha Banks and she had
Speaker 6: some really good matches back like ten years ago. And
Speaker 6: for me, it's sad to see.
Speaker 1: Okay, what did everybody else think about? We already know
Speaker 1: what something is going to say because.
Speaker 3: Everybody else, No, no, this is not my problem with
Speaker 3: that matches. Okay, discuss this with my son. I keep
Speaker 3: trying to tell him I have no problem with Mercedes
Speaker 3: winning that match. The problem I have is what they're
Speaker 3: going to do with that title after that match. Because
Speaker 3: everybody talks about how they're going to make Camille is
Speaker 3: going to be the one to dethrone Mercedes. That is
Speaker 3: one of the that's going to be just as bad
Speaker 3: as when Cargio had the title because in the matches
Speaker 3: that Camillo has had.
Speaker 1: Every everybody isn't saying that.
Speaker 3: That's what I've been hearing from a lot of people.
Speaker 3: I would love to see Julia Hart come back and
Speaker 3: take it.
Speaker 6: Okay, joy Heart would take it.
Speaker 4: I agree, but certainly seems like they're going in the
Speaker 4: direction of a Julia Hart Jamie Ader feud instead.
Speaker 1: I just agree with that too, So I and I
Speaker 1: will share my opinion after other people have shared theirs.
Speaker 1: So give me match. Steve or Shane, do you have
Speaker 1: any thoughts on the christat Lander and Mercedes Monet match.
Speaker 7: I was really hoping that that would win, but she didn't,
Speaker 7: and I'm getting pretty bored of Monet by now, So yeah,
Speaker 7: just just gives the belts to someone else on board
Speaker 7: of it.
Speaker 6: Know what, what what Jamie hadn't take it, Let Jamie
Speaker 6: take it off for.
Speaker 1: I don't want to see I don't want to see
Speaker 1: Jamie with the TBS title.
Speaker 2: Well, you got all these women and the mid card that,
Speaker 2: like the women's locker room is so confusing because you
Speaker 2: got all these women on the mid card that should
Speaker 2: be on the you know, in the world's title scene,
Speaker 2: you got all these women in the world title scene
Speaker 2: that should be on the mid card or or mid
Speaker 2: card or in r o H like Britt Britt Baker.
Speaker 2: Sorry boy, I baited Sutton. No, I'm just this match
Speaker 2: was sloppy, it was poorly telegraphed. Chris Chris carried of monet.
Speaker 2: I have to agree with Max. I mean, like, like
Speaker 2: one of my favorite w WE matches from almost pre
Speaker 2: pandemic era was Bailey Sasha Banks hell to sell like
Speaker 2: it's it doesn't I don't think it's her touch. I
Speaker 2: don't think she has any incentive to perform because she's
Speaker 2: already made for money. She's like the Deshaun Watson of
Speaker 2: a W. You know, she's minus allegations, minus the allegations.
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just saying. I mean, she's already been paid,
Speaker 2: if she's gonna be paid, She's two years with a
Speaker 2: W and she could go back to sucking on Disney too.
Speaker 2: I mean like it's just just.
Speaker 3: Makes her look like I don't want to have the
Speaker 3: problem with the mask if they had her win no clean.
Speaker 2: The last thirty seconds were a sloppy mess.
Speaker 3: Yeah that I mean, she didn't cheat to get the wins,
Speaker 3: she didn't get help to get the win. That's what
Speaker 3: I'm talking about. It was not a very much. I
Speaker 3: didn't like it. I thought it was terrible that and
Speaker 3: I'll say it again, and you can rag on me
Speaker 3: all you want to. Dat Leander has done so much
Speaker 3: for this company. Mornee has done nothing. She's been there
Speaker 3: since March. She's done absolutely nothing to elevate the women's division.
Speaker 3: All she's done is elevate herself. And people are tired
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 1: I like, I totally disagree with you. The Mercedes Mercedes
Speaker 1: Monette or just being in AW has elevated the women's division.
Speaker 1: She's gotten more promo time for the women, She's gotten
Speaker 1: more matches for the women on TV. Uh. The women
Speaker 1: are more exposed as far as good exposure on TV
Speaker 1: because of Mercedes Monette. Plain and I disagree with it. Well,
Speaker 1: you can disagree with all that's.
Speaker 6: I disagree with that.
Speaker 1: In the weeks before Mercedes Monet and look at look
Speaker 1: at AW sins you were lucky.
Speaker 3: But what about the champ back then, Well it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter.
Speaker 8: You were getting possibly one minute or what about you
Speaker 8: were getting possibly one match for seven minutes or eight
Speaker 8: minutes every show.
Speaker 1: That's it. This was the longest women's match in a
Speaker 1: w history. And you're not only getting that, you're getting
Speaker 1: promo after promo. Do you really think that somebody like
Speaker 1: Harley Cameron would have a shot to do what she's
Speaker 1: doing if Mercedes Monet was not with the company? I
Speaker 1: can guarantee you no, I can guarantee you. I don't
Speaker 1: think that Anna j goes the start of a Mercedes
Speaker 1: Monet isn't with the company. I don't think you see
Speaker 1: a lot of you. I think that people look at
Speaker 1: Mercedes Monet with a little bit of a jaded glasses.
Speaker 1: I guess that's the best way to put it. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say this, and I'm gonna say this good, say
Speaker 1: this right now. This was a great match for Statlander,
Speaker 1: who was a great match for Monette. Yes, there were
Speaker 1: a few botches, but what wrestling match doesn't have botches.
Speaker 1: People are so critical of Mercedes Monet that they see
Speaker 1: what they want to see. I mean, you guys are
Speaker 1: treating Mercedes Monet like she's if you guys could seriously
Speaker 1: watch it, Eddie Kingston match and you can't watch it,
Speaker 1: Eddie king watch a Mercedes Monet match. The right there
Speaker 1: in my estimation. I'm sorry, but you're full of shit
Speaker 1: because Eddie Kingston is the worst wrestler at aw period.
Speaker 6: Kelson Mercedes's she just doesn't seem what's the word inspired,
Speaker 6: or like, she doesn't seem to, you know, want to
Speaker 6: do it. Like it's like she she's just.
Speaker 1: I don't know what you were watching. She was hitting,
Speaker 1: she was hitting her spots, she was doing some moves,
Speaker 1: she was taking some bumps, she was selling really really well,
Speaker 1: she was acting, she was doing everything. And at the end,
Speaker 1: what she hit her? What what's that finishing move of hers?
Speaker 1: The money maker, the money no one, That was probably
Speaker 1: one of the best ones she's done in the history
Speaker 1: of that move in this company.
Speaker 3: Okay, so no problem. If she did so well in
Speaker 3: that match, why is it only in that match She's
Speaker 3: not done that in any of the.
Speaker 1: Mass had I didn't say that saying that this match
Speaker 1: was a decently good match.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: Frankly, I thought it was a great match. Yes, there
Speaker 1: was the botches, but you can't go back and watch
Speaker 1: it again. I had a problem with what's that move
Speaker 1: that she does, the case door or whatever. It sounds
Speaker 1: like an Italian canoli, a brand I don't know, but
Speaker 1: but she did that way too many times. But there
Speaker 1: were some counter moves that you did. Yeah, the media
Speaker 1: or I don't know why, I was like a kidchen
Speaker 1: Tis Yeah, yeah, I mean that was a little bit,
Speaker 1: a little bit much, but all in all, I thought
Speaker 1: that she was fluid, she had some counter wrestling that
Speaker 1: she did. And look, I'm not saying that Chris Statlander
Speaker 1: did not do well in that match, because she did
Speaker 1: fantastic in that match. I would not have been upset
Speaker 1: if Chris stat Lander won it, however, And I mean
Speaker 1: I have something to say about Mercedes Monett when we
Speaker 1: get to topic a little bit later in the show
Speaker 1: as far as the Women's International Cup and what I
Speaker 1: think is in store for that. Is there anything else
Speaker 1: in the full Gear fallout portion of this show before
Speaker 1: we move on that anybody wants to talk about it
Speaker 1: full Gear? Well?
Speaker 2: Yeah, cool, hold on before I just want to. I
Speaker 2: don't want to interrupt, but Kel said I did want to.
Speaker 2: I did want to express that your assessment of the
Speaker 2: women getting more time on TV because of money, it's
Speaker 2: one hundred percent true. Tony has to pay his investment forward,
Speaker 2: so he has to create the programs to keep her
Speaker 2: on TV, which is involves more women in the locker room.
Speaker 2: You're a hundred percent right. That's not a bad thing
Speaker 2: for everyone that's been for everyone that's been crying that
Speaker 2: the women need a better front face in the audience,
Speaker 2: we certainly have gotten that. Now I will I'm going
Speaker 2: to go back to my original criticism of this is
Speaker 2: that money continues to have to be curried in matches,
Speaker 2: and she has more tenure and professional wrestling than most
Speaker 2: of the people in aw let alone. You know, the
Speaker 2: people that she's facing that looked like more compelling challengers.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, for someone who has her level
Speaker 2: of experience in training, she shouldn't be watching her debut
Speaker 2: in New Japan, right, or more stuttering on a mic.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: So I'm not thinking I'm not thinking that.
Speaker 1: But i will say this again. When Mercedes Mondet was
Speaker 1: first hired at a w and I don't remember if
Speaker 1: it was Fightful or if it was Wrestling Observer or whatever,
Speaker 1: but one of those people said one of the things
Speaker 1: that was in basically the pitch for Mercedes Monde, the
Speaker 1: Mercedes Monett requested was that the women have at least
Speaker 1: one or two matches on every show, and if they
Speaker 1: only had one match that they she wanted the women
Speaker 1: to have promos back backstage or in ring promos, at
Speaker 1: least like two of them. And if you watch the
Speaker 1: show since Big Business, that's exactly what's been happening. If
Speaker 1: you watch Collision, you watch Rampage, and you watch Dynamite,
Speaker 1: the women are getting much more time. Thank you, Mercedes.
Speaker 1: Monette Lander would not be anywhere near what she's doing now.
Speaker 6: So I see that, and I am appreciative for Mercedes
Speaker 6: money on that front. But then again, it's gonna was
Speaker 6: that it's gonna take time, because like it's gonna take
Speaker 6: time for this Defloyd paint.
Speaker 5: Out, So I'll have to go back and watch the match.
Speaker 4: But from what I heard and from what I saw,
Speaker 4: it looked like it was a really good match, maybe
Speaker 4: even close to great. But in terms of other stuff
Speaker 4: on the full Gear Car, how about Daniel Garcia walking
Speaker 4: away with the TNT Championship.
Speaker 5: I think that's a very interesting.
Speaker 4: Development, not only because of the John Moxley stuff, and
Speaker 4: you know he's been directly involved with that. You know,
Speaker 4: you could go back to Jack Perry and whether he's
Speaker 4: the guy really driving Moxley, But it's also like Moxley's
Speaker 4: kind of getting what he wants.
Speaker 5: You know, Private Party is not sitting on.
Speaker 4: Their morals or laurels whatever the word is there anymore.
Speaker 4: They're the tag team champions. Daniel Garcia another young guy.
Speaker 4: Guess what, he's the TNT Champion. Now it's kind of
Speaker 4: you know, tying into that story. But you also have
Speaker 4: a number of contenders, Adam and JF and just to
Speaker 4: name a couple.
Speaker 1: Sure, And did you notice that the post show media
Speaker 1: scrum that when Daniel Garcia came out, he was like
Speaker 1: one of the first ones to come out too. I
Speaker 1: think he was the second one. Uh. The TNT Championship
Speaker 1: was restored to its original tn T Championship. It was
Speaker 1: no longer the black painted with the blood spatter that
Speaker 1: Jack Perry has been carrying around. Just how I point
Speaker 1: that out.
Speaker 4: I also like that after Daniel Garcia won that match,
Speaker 4: when he was going back up the ramp, he had
Speaker 4: the aw flag wrapped around them.
Speaker 1: He took that, he took that from somebody in the crowd.
Speaker 1: He apologize for it at the media scrub that he
Speaker 1: you know, in the excite that he took it basically,
Speaker 1: and it didn't belong to him if he stole it
Speaker 1: from a fan. Yeah, I'm sure they got to fans
Speaker 1: compliment some way.
Speaker 4: But I I I think this is gonna really elevate
Speaker 4: Daniel Garcia. But I'm more curious to see where Jack
Speaker 4: Perry goes from here. Does he kind of disappear with
Speaker 4: the rest of the Elite, does he get involved somewhere else.
Speaker 4: That's where I'm kind of going with this, is like,
Speaker 4: where does Jack Perry go from here?
Speaker 3: To be honest, I never really bought him as a
Speaker 3: member of the Elite. He just doesn't seem to be
Speaker 3: that kind of character, you know what I mean. He's like,
Speaker 3: it's like they put him there because they wanted a
Speaker 3: fourth member, but he really doesn't belong And I kind
Speaker 3: of see him going with the Death Riders.
Speaker 2: I have a personal statement to make against that. I
Speaker 2: see one hundred percent why I see one hundred percent
Speaker 2: why Jack Perry joined the Elite after everything that happened
Speaker 2: with Sampunk. That was the perfect group of people to
Speaker 2: join up with because they were all the most jaded
Speaker 2: people that had issues with all of that situation.
Speaker 1: So I mean that very exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was connective tissue to bringing him back
Speaker 2: from New Japan from the House of Violence, which is
Speaker 2: sad because he ruled in that faction. Uh you know,
Speaker 2: uh rollins. I actually have a question for you. Do
Speaker 2: you think that do you honestly think that Jack Perry
Speaker 2: is about to sit or do you think he's about
Speaker 2: to escalate his bad behavior.
Speaker 5: That's the thing.
Speaker 4: I'm really not sure, Shane, because I could, like you
Speaker 4: make a very valid question, and I think you can
Speaker 4: make a solid argument for both sides of it.
Speaker 5: Really, you know, I.
Speaker 2: No, no, go ahead, I mean fantasy booking, this would
Speaker 2: be next week. Jack cuts a promo. The belt was
Speaker 2: just an object. I'm coming after everybody. I don't need
Speaker 2: no friends, and like he can, I love his character.
Speaker 2: Escapegoat goat thing was one of the best things that's
Speaker 2: it's taking taking the loin cloth off of Jack Perry
Speaker 2: was the best thing that happened to this dude's career.
Speaker 2: Like serious, I love I love Jungle Boy. He was
Speaker 2: like half It was like very heartwarming and the whoa, whoa, whoa,
Speaker 2: that's all you know. Yeah, But like I just he's
Speaker 2: more convincing as like an asshole.
Speaker 1: I like it.
Speaker 6: If you don't mind. I want to make a comparison
Speaker 6: real quick, Jack Parry, Jack Perry, jungle Boy Jack Perry.
Speaker 6: The evolution of that character reminds me kind of Bail
Speaker 6: you over in w w A. Going from like the
Speaker 6: lovable baby face to gritty heel.
Speaker 5: Gosh, that's kind of what I want to see.
Speaker 4: Will Nightingale, Dude, Max, Like, you know, Bailey for a
Speaker 4: while was like, you know, I'm a hugger.
Speaker 6: Yeah he had he has a way you see, a
Speaker 6: powerful dealership. Yeah, okay, okay, so no, but with Bailey,
Speaker 6: that character worked in the on X obviously wasn't the
Speaker 6: long term on the main roster. This is what I'm
Speaker 6: seeing in Jack Perry. The whole jungle Boy character was
Speaker 6: just like for Drastic Express with Lucasaurus and Marcos Stunt.
Speaker 6: Once you broke away from Drastic Express, I feel that
Speaker 6: was essentially the same as Bailey turning heel and coming
Speaker 6: out with the acts, but except Jack Perry as a
Speaker 6: heel has been all over chaotic and I will live
Speaker 6: for chaos.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well what comes to Jack Perry. You know where
Speaker 1: Jack Parry isn't going to be. That's in the sea too,
Speaker 1: because they didn't put him in there. And there's been
Speaker 1: a couple of pretty interesting emissions into C two. Hang man,
Speaker 1: Adam Page isn't in there? Why there's some interesting You
Speaker 1: can't put everybody in there. I actually like the rosters here.
Speaker 1: We have the Blue League and the Gold League, and
Speaker 1: I'm interested to see right now because last year when
Speaker 1: they had the C two, every single one of us
Speaker 1: correctly picked every one of us, I because they telegraphed
Speaker 1: it so bad when they made it, you know, three
Speaker 1: belts thing. But this year, I think we can all
Speaker 1: agree they haven't telegraphed it. I think that it's up
Speaker 1: in the air to sure there's there's some that seemed
Speaker 1: like their favorites. I mean, I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people are, you know, thinking that Kyle Fletcher and Will
Speaker 1: Osprey or at An on a collision course, uh to
Speaker 1: face each other in the finals.
Speaker 6: Something.
Speaker 1: Don't think at Katta is gonna be there and he's
Speaker 1: not going anywhere. But hey, who do you guys, well,
Speaker 1: who do you guys think are going to win the
Speaker 1: Blue League and the Gold League? And if are there
Speaker 1: any omissions that really get your goat.
Speaker 6: Okay, okay, got okay. I think we I think a
Speaker 6: good solid you know they picked for Blue, would be
Speaker 6: Shelton Benjamin because he's he's a vet of like a
Speaker 6: billion years. He's with MVP, who's by far one of
Speaker 6: the greatest talkers we've seen ever. And and for or
Speaker 6: for Gold, I think it's either a Claudio or will Aspray.
Speaker 1: Okay, change you had something to say.
Speaker 2: Uh, I'm gonna I'm gonna predict this whole entire thing now,
Speaker 2: all right. Uh, Fletcher's gonna Fletcher.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: Everyone else is tough. Look look at the lineup. The
Speaker 2: Ricochet's working, Brodie King's working, Robert Juice Juicer is working,
Speaker 2: Claudio's got too much going on overseas, and if you
Speaker 2: look at the other side of the card, you know
Speaker 2: Garcia's working, Brisco's definitely working. I love Shelton, brilliant, I'm
Speaker 2: glad to see him in a ring again. But he's working,
Speaker 2: so is Beast Mortos. I think the only people that
Speaker 2: are important in this are Darby, will Uh, Catt, Fletcher,
Speaker 2: and Okada being that Okata Ho's the belt helds the belt,
Speaker 2: but there's so much heat behind will Ospray and Fletcher.
Speaker 2: I think this goes to Ospray and Fletcher Ospray wins
Speaker 2: takes the takes the Continental, and then the rubber match
Speaker 2: for them is that the is that the World is
Speaker 2: gonna be the pay per view, then the pay paper
Speaker 2: be Voltling.
Speaker 1: Do you think it would better to put that on
Speaker 1: the Russell Dynasty pay per view or do you think
Speaker 1: it'll be at World's end?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, like the the final match is at
Speaker 2: World's end, So I don't think it's gonna make it
Speaker 2: a dynasty.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think they're they're going to keep the Continental on
Speaker 2: a e W programming And I think, you know, this
Speaker 2: is a way to get the get a belt back
Speaker 2: on Osprey unless we forget you know, Will's Osprey said
Speaker 2: if he was going to carry an international championship in
Speaker 2: any promotion, he's going to defend it everywhere. So if
Speaker 2: they put the Continental on him, it gives him an
Speaker 2: excuse to go back to Japan, go to c z N,
Speaker 2: go to Triple A, kind of get weird with it.
Speaker 2: So no one, no one from AW go to GCW
Speaker 2: anytime soon. We'll say that for Pope.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but what do we think? I mean, anybody else
Speaker 1: want to give their predictions?
Speaker 3: Sure, so here, here's the thing. Last year, it was
Speaker 3: so predictable because Eddie was the tempt he knew he
Speaker 3: was going to keep it this year and that you know,
Speaker 3: and you could say, well, they're not gonna take the
Speaker 3: title off Okada, so he's gonna end up winning it,
Speaker 3: but that's not necessarily true. I don't think that's gonna
Speaker 3: happen this year. Blue. I've got Yeah, I'm gonna have
Speaker 3: to say I either got Fletcher or Shelton and uh
Speaker 3: in the in the gold you're looking man, this is
Speaker 3: so it's either gonna be Derby or Osprey. That's just
Speaker 3: I mean, those that could be the final four. That
Speaker 3: would be an amazing final four. But it's really not
Speaker 3: as predictable this year as it was last year.
Speaker 5: Okay, see see for me.
Speaker 4: I actually got the final being Okada and Claudio, and
Speaker 4: that's where Claudio takes the title from Ocada. We did
Speaker 4: that match on the Dynamite before all In for the
Speaker 4: Continental Championship. I thought that was a solid match and
Speaker 4: personally I think that should have been at all In,
Speaker 4: but whatever, and I think it makes a lot of
Speaker 4: sense for you have Moxley hold the world championship, you
Speaker 4: have Claudio hold the Continental Championship.
Speaker 5: It just gives the Death Riers more fuel.
Speaker 1: All Right, anybody else with the Blue and Gold league
Speaker 1: pick for the C two before I give mine?
Speaker 7: Oh me, me me?
Speaker 1: So with the Blue.
Speaker 7: Kyle, uh, of course, amazing and Gold. It's between will
Speaker 7: Osprey or Ricochet, one of those two. And a big
Speaker 7: disappointment is yeah, Jay not being j White not being
Speaker 7: in the C two. That kind of bummed me out.
Speaker 1: Well, I guess I'll give up. And I have to
Speaker 1: say right now at observation and that we had kind
Speaker 1: of a diverse picks here, whereas last year it was okay,
Speaker 1: well it's Eddie and we just got to figure out
Speaker 1: who's going to be challenging him from the other league
Speaker 1: that he's in. We all knew it was gonna be
Speaker 1: Eddie last year. This year we got the first picks.
Speaker 1: I think that we could possibly have another Eddie this year.
Speaker 1: And let me explain Darby Allen. He's the one to
Speaker 1: me that looks like he could be the underdog. We've
Speaker 1: got him on Dynamite facing brody King tomorrow night, and
Speaker 1: if he loses this match to brody King tomorrow night,
Speaker 1: if this isn't sound insane. If Darby loses to Brody,
Speaker 1: I have Darby winning the Gold League because that's the
Speaker 1: underdog making a huge comeback to win. Now I have
Speaker 1: to kind of agree with Shane. You know, in my picks,
Speaker 1: you know, in the oddest picks, it would be Kyle
Speaker 1: Fletcher and Will Osprey winning the winning the Blue and
Speaker 1: Gold League respectively. That's just the way I look at it. Uh,
Speaker 1: who do you we picked the winners of the Blue
Speaker 1: and Gold League? Anybody want to come right out and
Speaker 1: say who's going to win the tournament?
Speaker 3: If it's Aspray and and and Fletcher, it's going to
Speaker 3: be Auspray. He can't lose to in a row, Shane.
Speaker 2: It's Ospray straight up.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: He's not gonna lose the Fletcher again, Yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: like we'll see him off a te if we might
Speaker 2: get a promo or package from him on Wednesday, but
Speaker 2: he's going to be recuperating and licking his wounds until
Speaker 2: World's end and only performing in his matches, so in
Speaker 2: his kind of matches. So it's it's gonna be Asprey
Speaker 2: all day.
Speaker 1: I got Claudia, got Audio, Okay, I got.
Speaker 6: I got.
Speaker 1: It?
Speaker 6: Would it would add more what's the word. It would
Speaker 6: add more fuel to the Hurt syndicate, and it would
Speaker 6: honestly boost the Hurt syndicate more than they already needed
Speaker 6: because they already have all the momentum they would need.
Speaker 2: Just Max Max Shelton is the middle guy in that faction.
Speaker 2: If it were lash Lee in the C two, I
Speaker 2: would I would have voted for Lashi. Lastly, straight up,
Speaker 2: I don't think Shelton's gonna make it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, quarters uh win it all.
Speaker 7: I would say, I'm just gonna go with someone Ricochet,
Speaker 7: why not.
Speaker 1: Chet Hey, why not? Why not? Why not? I gotta
Speaker 1: tell you something right now. And this I got to
Speaker 1: totally disagree with Max and Shane on this. For me,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if it was Shelton, Benjamin or Bobby Lashley.
Speaker 1: I don't think either of them have a prayer of
Speaker 1: winning this simply because not this year, simply because they're
Speaker 1: WWE guys, and there's no way Tony Kahan is gonna
Speaker 1: put a belt out a WWE guy. Right after they
Speaker 1: arrived at this company, they both Bubbera saidis Mode is
Speaker 1: not a w w WEE guy.
Speaker 3: The other thing about Shelton and I love Shelton to death.
Speaker 3: He's not he's not. I mean, he's participated in New Japan,
Speaker 3: he's been in other places, but when you look at
Speaker 3: who's in this, he doesn't be. He's not the first
Speaker 3: one that I would say would be a candidate to
Speaker 3: go international, especially since he just got the aw.
Speaker 2: He also just turned fifty.
Speaker 3: I don't think Shelton, I don't think he has to
Speaker 3: do with much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you, I have. That was a
Speaker 2: shitty statement. I mean, he had like his matches, his
Speaker 2: matches are, dude. He he's got the heavy guy moves,
Speaker 2: but he could also throw a super kick like a
Speaker 2: like a middleweight like dude.
Speaker 1: He looks great. I love him.
Speaker 2: I wish they put him over Bobby, but that's not
Speaker 2: gonna happen.
Speaker 1: I don't understand here that I am not talking poorly
Speaker 1: about Shelton, Benjamin or Bobby. I think they're phenomenal. We're
Speaker 1: also the same thing as w W E guy. It's
Speaker 1: I just I just don't see Tony pull the trigger
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 4: And I understand that, like the objective of the death
Speaker 4: riers isn't to like hold all the gold in a
Speaker 4: w but there's just something about the idea of Moxley
Speaker 4: holding the World championship and Claudio holding the Continental championship.
Speaker 5: That just is super intriguing to me. There's just something
Speaker 5: about it.
Speaker 1: That stands for Yeah, well, Madio has been floundering a
Speaker 1: little bit, but as I said earlier, he did just
Speaker 1: absolutely destroy Darby Allen. Oh god, it was scary. That
Speaker 1: was not pretty hey, And for all we know, they're
Speaker 1: setting up a Darby versus Claudio the winner wins the
Speaker 1: Gold League kind of thing. You never know. I want
Speaker 1: to move on to another tournament that's coming on. This
Speaker 1: one is really interesting to me. Basically, what you've got
Speaker 1: is the Women's International Cup, which culminates in a four
Speaker 1: way match with one woman from ae W, one woman
Speaker 1: from Ring of Honor, one woman from Stardom, and one
Speaker 1: woman from CMLL, all meeting at Russell Dynasty on January fifth.
Speaker 1: The winner of that match gets to gets an automatic
Speaker 1: championship match against a champion in any of the four
Speaker 1: promotions to that's never been double before as far as
Speaker 1: I know, and especially not in a major major promotions.
Speaker 1: This is really fun out We know the four qualifiers
Speaker 1: already for CMLL. We know the four qualifiers are ready
Speaker 1: from Ring of Honor. We do not know the four
Speaker 1: qualifiers from stardom or the four qualifiers from a W.
Speaker 1: Which four women do you think first of all would
Speaker 1: be what I mean, they'll have four women in a
Speaker 1: qualifying the four way qualifying match for a W and
Speaker 1: the winner of that match will then go to Russell
Speaker 1: Dynasty representing AW in that in their four way match. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we need to figure out who's going to be
Speaker 1: the four from a W of Honor. By the way,
Speaker 1: it's Red Velvet, Billy Starks, Athena, and Layla Hirsh.
Speaker 3: I'm a little confused with that. Why are you putting
Speaker 3: Athena in that match? I mean, you know she's not
Speaker 3: gonna win it. It's kind of weird that they put
Speaker 3: her in there instead of somebody else that they could have,
Speaker 3: like Queen Queen on Them Nolina could have been in
Speaker 3: that because you know she can't take the loss, because
Speaker 3: then that says your champion is not that good or
Speaker 3: she couldn't handle that match. So it's kind of odd
Speaker 3: that they put her in that to me.
Speaker 1: But I don't think that having the champion lose against
Speaker 1: four other women or three other women necessarily will erase
Speaker 1: eradicate a Theta's incredible run and ring of honor. I
Speaker 1: disagree with you there, yeah anybody. I mean, so we
Speaker 1: talked to you. You didn't answer the question though, sudden.
Speaker 3: So I have no clue who would be in from
Speaker 3: Stardom because I don't watch Stardom, so I don't know
Speaker 3: who they are in ae W Willow.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: If if Julia was back, I would put Willow Julia.
Speaker 1: Uh probably, Well, Julia's back so well yeah.
Speaker 3: But she hasn't been on any matches yet, so I'm
Speaker 3: saying if she was back in the ring, she would
Speaker 3: be my second pick stat Lander and probably the fourth one. Man,
Speaker 3: There's just so many people you could put in it.
Speaker 3: Cheetah could go in there. Uh, there's just so many
Speaker 3: you could actually have Tony come back and be the
Speaker 3: fourth person.
Speaker 1: That's true too.
Speaker 3: I mean there's there's there's such a wide open I
Speaker 3: don't want to put the champions in there. That is
Speaker 3: to me, putting champions in the tournament like this just
Speaker 3: don't make any sense, you know, like you know, it
Speaker 3: just doesn't make any sense to put Mercedes and Mariah
Speaker 3: in there. You could put you could put in you
Speaker 3: could put in Mira Ermina, you know, so there's that.
Speaker 3: This is just so hard after the first three, but
Speaker 3: you definitely need stat and Willow, and I'm saying Julia
Speaker 3: and the fourth one is up in the air.
Speaker 1: Ohbody else?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I do.
Speaker 4: I agree with Ston. I agree with you about Willow
Speaker 4: and Scat. I'm gonna from three and four. I'll go
Speaker 4: with Jamie Hayter. And my wild card actually would be
Speaker 4: Anna j Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, that's that's for anybody else.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Okay, my picks, yeah, Ana j Jamie Hater, Uh.
Speaker 1: Who's that? Yeah? Okay, And I don't know.
Speaker 7: I have no idea Nyla Rose or something like that.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, glad somebody picked Nyla Max. Did you have
Speaker 1: any picks?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's gonna be Chris stall Lander. So
Speaker 6: we've got Stlander, Willow, joya Heart, and No, that one.
Speaker 6: It's a toss up, But again, so could joya Heart
Speaker 6: be a toss up? So it's definitely Willow Statlander.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 6: I think they somehow find a way to thought Tony
Speaker 6: Storm in there along with it. Could be anyway, It
Speaker 6: could be Anna Jan, it could be Jamie Hayter, Gina Fo,
Speaker 6: I'm just saying. I'm just saying that there's so many
Speaker 6: women that they in there, That's what I'm rattling off.
Speaker 6: A bunch of the names out I know could slot
Speaker 6: into that and have a really good notch. But personally,
Speaker 6: for like a settin Stone nine up, it's got to
Speaker 6: be stell Lander, Willow, Cheta, and Hater.
Speaker 1: Okay, how about you go ahead?
Speaker 2: Uh An a j uh Willow and Stat for sure?
Speaker 2: I mean a Willow and Stat makes sense because it
Speaker 2: gives that you know, we just talked earlier about the
Speaker 2: potential for them reuniting. That would definitely be a gateway
Speaker 2: to that being. I mean, depending how it plays out.
Speaker 2: But if they put Tony Storm in this contest, it
Speaker 2: automatically gives her her revenge at Mariah May, which if
Speaker 2: that were to be the endgame, it'd be sad that
Speaker 2: they'd put over an aw person. I actually want to
Speaker 2: see someone from Stardom go over in this competition. But
Speaker 2: I got Stat and a j Willow and Tony Storm.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So before I get to my picks, I want
Speaker 1: to ask you guys, based on your picks, who wins.
Speaker 1: Who's your pick to go to Russell Dynasty represent a
Speaker 1: W in this Women's International Cup based on your picks. Statlander,
Speaker 1: stat Lander, stat Lander for Max, what about you, Steve
Speaker 1: Chetah okay, and uh so.
Speaker 3: It depends if Tony's in it. I'm thinking they'll probably
Speaker 3: put But if she's not, it's Statlander this one.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you go with Tony Tony, but stat Lander, okay.
Speaker 1: Shane picked one. Karen Jarrett.
Speaker 2: Karen Jarrett's going over. It's gonna be It's not gonna
Speaker 2: be Taya. It's not gonna be Sorea. It's not gonna
Speaker 2: be Rebel who's still for some odd reason on the
Speaker 2: a W women's roster. It's not gonna be Leila Gray.
Speaker 2: It's gonna it's gonna be Tony.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I my picks for the four, I have to say,
Speaker 1: I want to see somebody that will actually be able
Speaker 1: to go to maybe stardom and have a feud after
Speaker 1: this something, you know, set something up afterwards, maybe something
Speaker 1: happens in this match, you know, or there's some kind
Speaker 1: of feud going on. But my four would be I
Speaker 1: would have to go with Julia Hart, I would have
Speaker 1: to go to krit with Chris Statlander. I am not
Speaker 1: picking Willow I am not picking Mercedes. I am not
Speaker 1: picking Tony's storm. And the reason I'm not doing and
Speaker 1: I'm not picking Maria May. I'm not doing that because
Speaker 1: I don't want to see somebody who's already been over
Speaker 1: there or has a belt right now in this. I
Speaker 1: am gonna pick Shamie Hater and just to piss Sutton off,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pick Britt Baker.
Speaker 3: Why are you gonna waste the spot like that? Man? Seriously?
Speaker 1: Well, but anyway, I'm gonna be honest with you here.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have Julia Hart win it. And the only
Speaker 1: reason that I'm gonna have her win it is because
Speaker 1: and Shane could probably back back me up on this,
Speaker 1: because Shane, you watch stardom, correct, sure? Do Can you
Speaker 1: think of any other a w woman whose total presentation
Speaker 1: is more stardom ready than Julia Hart an A.
Speaker 2: J Yeah, but she was there already, yeah Hart, straight up,
Speaker 2: Julie Hart.
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's the only reason I think that
Speaker 1: Julia Hart goes there. She doesn't win this by any means,
Speaker 1: shape or form. I want to Shane. I mean, you
Speaker 1: and I are gonna probably have this conversation privately. I
Speaker 1: don't know if anybody else even watches the other other.
Speaker 2: Watch all four.
Speaker 1: I think that whoever started puts out there. As long
Speaker 1: as Mayo Iwatani is in the picture, she's gonna win it.
Speaker 1: She's gonna be the representative representative from stardom. Watani has
Speaker 1: said that she wants to come to a W and
Speaker 1: wrestle Mercedes Bonet for the TBS Championship. Uh. And she
Speaker 1: wants to wrestle in a W. What better way to
Speaker 1: get a shot at Mercedes Bonet in a W than
Speaker 1: Mayu Watani winning on January fifth, and that's who she
Speaker 1: goes after in AW.
Speaker 6: I just want to I just want to for out
Speaker 6: a name just to get to Coggs turn, especially since
Speaker 6: you said the possibility of jumping over to stardom, what
Speaker 6: about Harley Cameron?
Speaker 1: No, no, Uh, here's the thing. And again, Shane, you
Speaker 1: can back me up on this, I believe uh. And
Speaker 1: here's the reason behind that as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 1: And again, Shane, you may disagree with me. Mina Shira
Speaker 1: Kala is over in the United States, She's really not
Speaker 1: that over in Japan. She's a big time mid carter.
Speaker 1: The reason why is she's just not cultural culturally, you know,
Speaker 1: popular there. I mean, she's more like she's just too sexy.
Speaker 1: She's over the top.
Speaker 2: She cares to she caters to the Western culture. May
Speaker 2: Aahani is is a weeves wet dream and she's fantastic
Speaker 2: and she's holding but she's already holding gold, dude like
Speaker 2: like that. That's my only thing, Like I could see
Speaker 2: it happening. Yes, you know, the title.
Speaker 1: Can make it interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, why are you going to put a for title
Speaker 3: when you've already got manet with three two titles already?
Speaker 2: Belt collecting collector, Yeah, multi promotional belt collecting is still
Speaker 2: a thing.
Speaker 1: But but anyway, the only thing I could say. I
Speaker 1: thought that Ada j would be a little bit too
Speaker 1: sexy for Japan. But she carried herself as a wrestler
Speaker 1: and not as a sex object. Harley Cameron is is
Speaker 1: a sex objects herself as a wrestler. She she would
Speaker 1: not go over. I don't think in Japan she would.
Speaker 1: She would make people uncomfortable, much uncomfortable, much like Mina
Speaker 1: Shirikawa does. They love her in Japan, they won't admit it.
Speaker 2: In the shows, she has a split audience. She does
Speaker 2: a lot I mean, she has a lot of haters,
Speaker 2: but she has a lot of lovers too. I mean,
Speaker 2: like she's never she'll be full time agent. Contracts runs
Speaker 2: out as soon as she hits a free agency.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if she was healthy, I would I would say
Speaker 4: sky Blue should be including the conversation.
Speaker 5: But she's not healthy.
Speaker 1: Sky Blue would be perfect simply because she could go
Speaker 1: to Japan and start them and she's their signs. I
Speaker 1: don't mean that with Julia. Not the same with Julia.
Speaker 1: Julia is one of the taller women in a W
Speaker 1: Julia Julius five seven Really yeah, Julius five seven weighs
Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty five pounds or something like that.
Speaker 1: She's yeah what go back and watch the Chris Statlander
Speaker 1: Julia Hart match. They're they're not that far apart. Julia
Speaker 1: is much taller than than she She just seems I
Speaker 1: think she has a baby face, and I think that
Speaker 1: kind of sets people off. But Julia is not a
Speaker 1: not a tiny person.
Speaker 3: I think they should decide to a W one with Dave.
Speaker 3: Women's over the top.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's a it's a four. I know, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I even mentioned that, you know,
Speaker 1: Casino Battle Royal. There you go, but it's four you know, uh.
Speaker 3: Four by that you know, have it like the next couple,
Speaker 3: like a couple of weeks from now on, because this
Speaker 3: isn't gonna probably happen until world's end. Yeah, so you
Speaker 3: could do a women's uh casino battle royale to just
Speaker 3: decide the four last four opponents are the ones that
Speaker 3: are in. That would be amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yo, you know Kelson, if you were to guess
Speaker 2: four first stardom right now, would it be Starlight Kid?
Speaker 1: Want to?
Speaker 2: I be uh hold on, I couldn't think I could.
Speaker 1: I would definitely starlight Kid Startlight Kid would be one
Speaker 1: of mine.
Speaker 2: Would be see what Tommy would be? One tom a
Speaker 2: Tommy would be would be a possibility? Is is you?
Speaker 2: Is Yamashida still start up or just kind of like.
Speaker 1: The j p W.
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would go Starlight Kidwatani uh for And the
Speaker 1: only reason I picked MAT's a boy is because I'm
Speaker 1: gonna marry her when I grow up. I want I
Speaker 1: want in my life. I want to, I want to.
Speaker 1: I want her on in a W I want her
Speaker 1: on reruns of Friends, I want her on the Big
Speaker 1: Bang Theory. I just I've been loved and frankly, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna base this on something that Kenny Omega said, Uh,
Speaker 1: and I love her too as I knew. Uh. Kenny
Speaker 1: Omega just said in an interview earlier this year that
Speaker 1: of all the stardom wrestlers, he thinks that he thinks
Speaker 1: that a w fans would just absolutely fall in love
Speaker 1: with it with Saw And I can see why because
Speaker 1: her character is just so awesome. Her character is basically
Speaker 1: a stone wall. She's like the phoebia undertake her. Everybody
Speaker 1: tries to make her laugh, and frankly, a lot of
Speaker 1: them were very successful in doing so. But she tries
Speaker 1: her hard. It's not the break character and just never
Speaker 1: smile and it's it's amazing. And the thing about Siria
Speaker 1: do is that she's only like five foot three, but
Speaker 1: when she comes out to the ring, her presence makes
Speaker 1: her look five to ten. You know, I don't know
Speaker 1: how she wrestles bigger than she is. But she's this
Speaker 1: tiny little thing.
Speaker 2: Not Tam not Tam Nakano, like you don't think like.
Speaker 1: I think Takano is his daughter. Thing already I want
Speaker 1: to see somebody different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that but that would definitely be a
Speaker 2: front runner. No, no one from fucking hate Like excuse
Speaker 2: me my language. Uh, Like I told Doug MoMA wants
Speaker 2: a Nabi would be perfect.
Speaker 1: Like if I had somebody from hate, it would be tackling.
Speaker 2: Of course it would. Okay, we can. Let let's get
Speaker 2: back on it because.
Speaker 1: I'm already because I already said that's the point. If
Speaker 1: you have the way, you gonna have that there mortal enemies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: Hum hm hm.
Speaker 2: So we have to we now we have to have
Speaker 2: a stardom podcast.
Speaker 1: Oh I could do a start a podcast, man, that's yeah,
Speaker 1: I love me some startup. I always say, we paid.
Speaker 1: We made polls. I think I've shared this before. He
Speaker 1: made polls a Greatness of Wrestling. We made polls at
Speaker 1: a w saying which company has the best women's division, Well,
Speaker 1: the greatest wrestling they picked w W E. At aw
Speaker 1: fan Hub they picked a W with great with w
Speaker 1: w E b second, and the Greatest of Wrestling a
Speaker 1: W was second. And I'm sorry, but if you like
Speaker 1: women's wrestling and you watch stardom once, you're not gonna
Speaker 1: like a W.
Speaker 2: It's a him in centric promotion, of course, and it's
Speaker 2: surrounded by people who predominantly have booked women for most
Speaker 2: of their career. Understand that leg of you know, professional wrestling,
Speaker 2: and they're putting up the best people both.
Speaker 1: Both they're so damn good though.
Speaker 2: But both the Kaijus and the Japanese nationals like that.
Speaker 2: I mean, like some of the best wrestler like Mariah May,
Speaker 2: Miriam May was great in stardom, dude, like like like
Speaker 2: they they churn out rock stars, it's a thing, dude, Like.
Speaker 1: I really think the start of Prepared to Storm to
Speaker 1: be timeless Tony Storm, I agree that she's great. She
Speaker 1: had to she had to emulate, you know, or not emulate.
Speaker 1: She had to project the character without being able to
Speaker 1: speak the language. Well, I think that's what you did.
Speaker 2: I think you and uh. I think you and Tony
Speaker 2: Kahan both the same to share the same affinity for
Speaker 2: Jochi wrestling. So but I mean, like employed employing Emmy
Speaker 2: Sakura as a as a women's trainer, both for the
Speaker 2: standard locker room and the Joshi's is like genius.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, come on, I I just think it's
Speaker 1: I would I would actually love to see Shida go
Speaker 1: win win this and go to that match and and
Speaker 1: just perform in Japan and see the I just want
Speaker 1: I would love to see that. I would love to
Speaker 1: see Shida and Mayu Wa Watani in the ring at
Speaker 1: the same time, even if it's in a four way
Speaker 1: I really would. Well.
Speaker 2: I think that they're going to loop stardom into Forbidden
Speaker 2: Door this year, so I mean we did. I think
Speaker 2: we'll get started New Japan and I mean, and you
Speaker 2: guys are welcome to chime in on this. I think
Speaker 2: we're gonna get started New Japan and CMLLL this year.
Speaker 2: I think that Homicide's grip over Triple A is loosening,
Speaker 2: so we could see some you know changes.
Speaker 3: The Triple A thing has more to do with them
Speaker 3: being affiliated with eight WW, doesn't it.
Speaker 1: Please don't give you a reasonal watch for it in
Speaker 1: Door again?
Speaker 2: No? No, no, I mean yes, yes to some degree,
Speaker 2: because homicide is a t N a w W guy,
Speaker 2: I'm sure that has a factor and TN and and
Speaker 2: homicide specifically is a very staunch and stark, you know,
Speaker 2: the hater of ae W. For some he's he's Bischoff.
Speaker 2: He's he's you know, how do I Spanish Bischoff? I'm
Speaker 2: trying to say it with this, so like I like, like,
Speaker 2: you fail one company and what are you gonna do?
Speaker 2: Hijack another one? Get the hell out of here. You know,
Speaker 2: at least Bischoff stays in his lane on podcasts, on podcasts,
Speaker 2: not involving himself with the business anymore, because I'm not true.
Speaker 4: He made his return to m x T the n
Speaker 4: and he's gonna be back on TV next week.
Speaker 2: Oh, Eric Bischoff.
Speaker 4: Yes, Well, it's a good thing that he's good.
Speaker 2: It's a death note, it's a death.
Speaker 6: Match come back.
Speaker 1: Well, god, you know one thing, One thing I will say.
Speaker 1: There have been a lot of discussion on the aw
Speaker 1: fan ups. I've read it about and I know shanees
Speaker 1: a Vibe is a proponent of this having a show
Speaker 1: dedicated to women only. Now, I don't believe a weekly
Speaker 1: show would work with women only, to be honest with you,
Speaker 1: because that would prevent them from being on the main show.
Speaker 1: Hey we've got them on this one hour show. You know,
Speaker 1: because you know that's what he said, what was being
Speaker 1: said to the it would be a one hour women's
Speaker 1: only show. Then they're not gonna be on Dynamite Collisions.
Speaker 1: That doesn't that doesn't work for me. But if they
Speaker 1: did a special, like a Battle of the Belts type
Speaker 1: style thing where it had CMML and stardom on that special,
Speaker 1: I sure as hell lot.
Speaker 6: So something like so something like WWE's Evolution show like
Speaker 6: a billion years ago when you had all the females.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but not to AW but CMLL and start them
Speaker 1: in there as well as well as you can bring
Speaker 1: t JPW in if want, you know, chiple A if
Speaker 1: they have.
Speaker 6: Women, And I know that, but I'm just saying like,
Speaker 6: like pretty much just the same premises of it's an
Speaker 6: all women's show and they're gonna have title matches and
Speaker 6: a bunch of froids.
Speaker 1: Yeah, special maybe like a quarterly special or something like that.
Speaker 6: You mean, I was thinking europe Max.
Speaker 4: You mean like when WWE did that one time premium
Speaker 4: live event.
Speaker 9: I think it was called Evolution Evolution back in twenty
Speaker 9: back in twenty eighteen, I remember because Ronda Rouse was
Speaker 9: and they had freaking Lizzie Hal and Nita Stress Open
Speaker 9: was playing the song.
Speaker 6: I remember that much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I want to I want to move on
Speaker 1: because we're gonna talk about one more topic and then
Speaker 1: we're gonna do our pot pirie. Uh. The topic that
Speaker 1: I want to bring up is flight for the following
Speaker 1: has been announced for January first, twenty twenty five, and
Speaker 1: that will be simulcasts, I mean, the first of many
Speaker 1: simulcast on Max. Now, one thing that I do want
Speaker 1: to point out to our listeners and to our panel here,
Speaker 1: if you do not have Max, they're running a special
Speaker 1: from now until December second where you can get MAX
Speaker 1: for six months at two ninety nine a month. So
Speaker 1: if you don't have Max, get off this podcast what
Speaker 1: we're done and go order MAX. You'll get it for
Speaker 1: six months for two ninety nine a month. So you
Speaker 1: can get it for basically for six months for three
Speaker 1: dollars what's at eighteen bucks under twenty bucks for six months.
Speaker 1: That's a that's a damn good deal. Now that is
Speaker 1: not the version. That is the version with ads. So
Speaker 1: but the ads are really I mean, if you're watching
Speaker 1: a movie on Max, you get it like two or
Speaker 1: three minutes worth of ads, like in the middle of
Speaker 1: the movie, which is good because you can go to
Speaker 1: the bathroom or something, you know, So it's not that big.
Speaker 1: It's not like a hindurance. So that's a great deal.
Speaker 1: So who's going to be watching on Max and not
Speaker 1: on TBS.
Speaker 2: Now, Uh, let me let me tell you something, Kelson.
Speaker 2: I unfortunately, I'm unfortunately one of those guys that subscribes
Speaker 2: to Hulu plus with with a lot who live with
Speaker 2: ads without ads, and it has ads, which drives me crazy.
Speaker 2: But I literally do it for NFL and for AW
Speaker 2: and to have the NFL potentially on Netflix, which I
Speaker 2: also pay for, and AW on Max, which I also
Speaker 2: pay for, saves me seventy dollars a month to just
Speaker 2: cancel who live and say kick bricks I'm pumped and
Speaker 2: their live sign account.
Speaker 1: I do have a post on the aw fant hub
Speaker 1: subreddit chain and about this, you know, the two ninety
Speaker 1: nine a month. Go look it up, because I do
Speaker 1: believe it says that it is also available for current subscribers.
Speaker 2: Hey, by the way, I'm like it. If I were
Speaker 2: to screen share with you right now my other monitor,
Speaker 2: I'm literally reordering Max right now.
Speaker 1: It's hey, you can't be of course, it goes up
Speaker 1: to seven hundred and forty three dollars after the first
Speaker 1: six months. Roes. Oh god, it's very reasonable. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: at least you'll be able to obviously doesn't start streaming
Speaker 1: on Max for another month, but you'll definitely get five
Speaker 1: five months of Max for what fifteen dollars.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of shox, they really do.
Speaker 1: They have a lot of stuff on Max, including football
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken. So so there you go. Uh
Speaker 1: who else is anybody else gonna be watching AW on
Speaker 1: Max and not on TBS and TNT. Me.
Speaker 3: I don't have cable, so I don't watch, And like
Speaker 3: I said, I have to go watch the other friend's
Speaker 3: houses to watch it on there to do that because
Speaker 3: I just pay for Internet. But that'll still be cheaper
Speaker 3: than even if Pool Praiser. It will be cheaper than
Speaker 3: what my cable bill was.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right by Sea Boss, Probably we'll start watching on
Speaker 4: Max so he doesn't have to come over to my
Speaker 4: place every Wednesday to watch Dynamite.
Speaker 5: As for me, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I didn't watch it on Max the first night just
Speaker 1: to see if it's better. I mean, it would be
Speaker 1: cool if if the commercial breaks are different than it
Speaker 1: is on TBS. I I'd like to see not picture
Speaker 1: and picture for maybe if they just did it the
Speaker 1: middle of the show, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 1: don't know. We'll see. So let's move on to our
Speaker 1: pot Pourri segment, and the pot prise segment is where
Speaker 1: you could bring up a topic about anything in AEW
Speaker 1: and we'll discuss it. Who wants to go first? Y, Well,
Speaker 1: I know what you're going to talk about?
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, no, I mean day you know where I'm
Speaker 5: going with this.
Speaker 4: I don't know how to feel about all this Ricky
Speaker 4: Starks news. Whether I should be because he's been pulled
Speaker 4: from all of his g c W dates.
Speaker 5: Because of a W stuff. I don't know how to.
Speaker 1: He it's nothing. The latest is is that Ricky Starks
Speaker 1: was pulled from g c W dates because of something
Speaker 1: that Fie, a wrestler for a for g c W,
Speaker 1: said something that Fie said on a podcast about Shod
Speaker 1: Khan uh. Tony Con did not like that and he's
Speaker 1: prohibited Ricky Starks from participating in gc W. However he
Speaker 1: did what was this is what was reported. Ricky Starks
Speaker 1: is able to take any other in the wrestling. It
Speaker 1: has so. In other words, wallins, it has nothing to
Speaker 1: do with Ricky Starks. It has everything to do with
Speaker 1: the wrestler at GCW who disrespected shot.
Speaker 4: Con understood which isn't tag been annoying because I kind
Speaker 4: of wanted to see Matt Cardona and Ricky Starks have
Speaker 4: that match.
Speaker 5: It seemed like it would have been good.
Speaker 4: And now it looks like we're not GA gay because
Speaker 4: it seems like Cardona is appearing in AW was a
Speaker 4: one off and Tony Kahan doesn't want to use Ricky
Speaker 4: Starks for whatever reason, is assigned to GCW or did
Speaker 4: they able to have side wrestlers.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know enough about GCW.
Speaker 2: GCW has their own roster. They're kind of like on it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: Cardona is on it. They're a landing well. But GCW
Speaker 2: contracts give a lot more freedom to work indies. That's
Speaker 2: kind of like the did stick with most indie contracts.
Speaker 2: But you know, uh, I don't want to efie. The
Speaker 2: wrestler in question has a known history of being a
Speaker 2: shit talker and ruining things for other people. And I
Speaker 2: think he's fantastic. I love him, love love his platform,
Speaker 2: love what he uses his platform for. I just sometimes
Speaker 2: he could get a little off the coff and say
Speaker 2: things that are not.
Speaker 1: Real.
Speaker 2: But I think to punish Ricky for that is. You know,
Speaker 2: if if that's something Ricky wanted to do. You know,
Speaker 2: I think they should have still allowed him to have
Speaker 2: that opportunity. I mean, Tony Kahn wants to maintain a
Speaker 2: good working relationship with the Indies if he wants to
Speaker 2: continue to draft some of their more you know, successful talent.
Speaker 2: And then blood Sport was over the weekend, which is
Speaker 2: a GCW event that Marina Shaffir, John Moxley and Speedball
Speaker 2: Mike Bailey. We're all of Adam. We know that he
Speaker 2: at some point is going to be aw bounds, so.
Speaker 5: He was also a blood Sport.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's probably not a good idea to have
Speaker 2: a falling out with that promotion over one person's uh,
Speaker 2: you know, one person's opinion, you know, one dude that
Speaker 2: has very little pull on the entire roster. I don't
Speaker 2: think that for Tony Kahan to say.
Speaker 1: Hey, you know what, this is no cool.
Speaker 2: I'm mad at you, you know, come on, dude, like.
Speaker 1: Like, but from all we know, Ricky Starks came out
Speaker 1: and you said, I don't like this at all. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't like that guy. You know, I need out
Speaker 1: of this. Tony helped me out.
Speaker 3: But and that's the thing, and that's the thing. Everybody's
Speaker 3: gonna say it's done that. It's one guy's idea. This
Speaker 3: is what happened, that's what happened. We don't know what
Speaker 3: really happened. You just to go based on what you
Speaker 3: know about the people involved. And I kind of think
Speaker 3: what Kelson just said makes more sense that. You know,
Speaker 3: I don't see him doing that because unless you've done
Speaker 3: something drastic in front of the fans or said something
Speaker 3: that is known to ben said by you, Tony usually
Speaker 3: doesn't do anything like that. He lets things go to
Speaker 3: the point where you have the c him punk kind
Speaker 3: of shit happened, you know what I mean? So, yeah,
Speaker 3: who knows what really happened.
Speaker 2: Maybe this is Tony Kahan finally like standing his ground
Speaker 2: and so, you know what, I'm not gonna let these
Speaker 2: guys walk all over me.
Speaker 6: You know, I couldn't be too okay. I just wanted
Speaker 6: to circle back to GCW because they also do business
Speaker 6: with WWE, and I personally in surprise, that wasn't the
Speaker 6: strong that broke Tony's.
Speaker 1: One more time. Yeah, you broke up really bad there,
Speaker 1: but I'm sorry.
Speaker 6: No, So GCW especially was there blood sports stuff They
Speaker 6: will bring in WWE guys, and I'm surprised that really
Speaker 6: hasn't been a turn off for Tody from GCW.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean in gc GCW for blood Sports specifically,
Speaker 2: has had five separate promotions there including WW all at
Speaker 2: once you had a WWW. Yeah, you had a WWE
Speaker 2: person fighting an aw person during a blood Sport three
Speaker 2: years ago.
Speaker 6: Exactly exactly. That's That's That's where what I'm saying, like,
Speaker 6: is j c W literally like where AWWWE somehow coexists
Speaker 6: is GCW blood Sport where we've had Shana Bazeor show
Speaker 6: up on blood Sport twice this year and this past
Speaker 6: week we had Carmen Petrovitch show up on blood Sport.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, let's circle back to rawlins.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 1: Do you want to wrap up your potpourri? Or you
Speaker 1: said everything that you needed to say.
Speaker 4: It's just unfortunate that guys like Ricky and Miro and
Speaker 4: others are just kind of sitting on their hands doing
Speaker 4: nothing when they could be utilized on the ross during
Speaker 4: some way like there was a reason, like I invested
Speaker 4: so much of my fandom in Ricky starts, and I,
Speaker 4: in my opinion, it was validated.
Speaker 5: You know, personally, I.
Speaker 4: Would have had him take the title off of MJF,
Speaker 4: but that's neither here nor there. So I just don't
Speaker 4: like how Tony conn is just like, Yeah, I have
Speaker 4: nothing for you, so I'm just gonna make you sit
Speaker 4: at home and do nothing.
Speaker 1: Well, this may rawlins workout Ricky Stark's benefit, because maybe
Speaker 1: to throw him a bone, Tony Connell say hey, we've
Speaker 1: got a collision coming up, let's put you on it.
Speaker 6: You never know, I just want to I'm sorry about Miro.
Speaker 6: But does Miro actually want to come back and like
Speaker 6: do aw or.
Speaker 1: Does he just want We don't know?
Speaker 6: Or is he like or is he content with sitdying
Speaker 6: at home, wedding is contractor and potentially going back to WWE,
Speaker 6: or just retiring from wrestling at all.
Speaker 2: I could expand on that. So Miro attributes his fallout
Speaker 2: with his wife to them both being with a w
Speaker 2: at the same time. You know, I don't, I I don't.
Speaker 2: I can't confirm because I'm not in their marriage. I
Speaker 2: could tell you what I've researched and found. But it
Speaker 2: seems to be that he might have some ground to
Speaker 2: stand in making a statement like that, because you know
Speaker 2: what probably brought on the end of their marriage was
Speaker 2: a product of relationships she developed within AW. So he
Speaker 2: is volunteerly sitting on his hands. He's getting paid to
Speaker 2: sit on his hands, but he's voluntarily sitting on his hands.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that. It's this is touble speculation
Speaker 1: on my part, but i'd don't think that we're going
Speaker 1: to have receive Hero in a wrestling ring again, or
Speaker 1: I think he wants to retire. I think this has
Speaker 1: hit him hard, and uh, I think he's just If
Speaker 1: we do see him again, I don't think it'll be
Speaker 1: even if his contract runs out. I don't think it'll
Speaker 1: be in any ring until for a couple of years,
Speaker 1: and he's not a spring chicken anymore. This may be
Speaker 1: the end of him in the wrestling ring, which is
Speaker 1: a shame because I really enjoy it.
Speaker 2: I think we'll seem as Russov. It's more likely we'll
Speaker 2: seem as Russov. I think he's going to go the
Speaker 2: route of Androtti, but I don't think they're going to
Speaker 2: run him straight to the main roster. I think he'll
Speaker 2: head back to NXT, rebuild himself, maybe hold a mid
Speaker 2: mid I mean it's hard to say a mid card
Speaker 2: title in NXT say that five times fast?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: What is that? That's the men NXT World Championship. But like, sorry,
Speaker 2: anybody else.
Speaker 1: Does anybody else have a pri Let's go ahead and
Speaker 1: move on. Let's let's get another pot pourri discussion going.
Speaker 2: Anybody I have twenty, I always have Pope Prix.
Speaker 1: Make your best one saved the other nineteen for next year.
Speaker 2: Oh god no, that's why we podcast on our own, right,
Speaker 2: you know I want to like, this is just a thought.
Speaker 2: My Pope pri is a is a expressing a thought
Speaker 2: for everyone that's crapping on Kenny Omega right now for
Speaker 2: going back to New Japan. First, shut the hell up. Please.
Speaker 2: This dude literally like has been fighting to be in
Speaker 2: a wrestling ring for us his entire career, through tragedy
Speaker 2: and relocation and and and serious injury. Every time this
Speaker 2: dude turns around, something is serious. He seriously injured or
Speaker 2: he's sick. He's fought seriously injured for three years and said,
Speaker 2: I'm taking a step back and get crapped on this
Speaker 2: guy then too. Let him go back to Japan. Man,
Speaker 2: it's his life, it's it's what he wants to do.
Speaker 2: Stop being a jerk, he'll be back to AWB patient
Speaker 2: and if you have a problem with him not being
Speaker 2: an aw go watch New Japan like a big boy.
Speaker 1: Amen, way off. Kenny Punk, Kenny Omega.
Speaker 3: You say, Kenny Punk, Holy Ship, Kenny, Kenny Kenny's Kenny's
Speaker 3: reasons for going to New Japan make perfect sense. And
Speaker 3: what he said, you know he doesn't need they don't
Speaker 3: They don't really have a place for him in a
Speaker 3: W right now. Where are you gonna put him?
Speaker 2: If he comes, you can make a place for him,
Speaker 2: You could instantly.
Speaker 1: It's Kenny Omega gonna do. They're gonna be on Dynamite
Speaker 1: tomorrow night.
Speaker 3: He'll be. He'll do more good in you Japan that
Speaker 3: right now than he will in a W because you're
Speaker 3: not gonna want to throw him in a major thing
Speaker 3: right now in a W because he's still recovering and
Speaker 3: he's not. You know, they do that sometimes too often.
Speaker 3: Or he'll bring somebody back and say, Okay, well you
Speaker 3: you're not injured anymore. We're just gonna throw you right
Speaker 3: into it. And then you know, you got guys like
Speaker 3: Adam Cole that are nowhere near where they should be
Speaker 3: to be able to wrestle. Again, but yet he gets
Speaker 3: thrown into a major thing to try to go up
Speaker 3: against them. JF, why would you do that to one
Speaker 3: of your big superstars.
Speaker 4: Sudden, you took the words right out of my mouth,
Speaker 4: because that's exactly where I.
Speaker 5: Was going to go with it, Like.
Speaker 4: There's no need for Kenny Omega to come back, because
Speaker 4: if he were to return to AW, let's say tomorrow,
Speaker 4: you're gonna put him into a major storyline because it's
Speaker 4: freaking Kenny Omega, and he's just not in a position
Speaker 4: to do that, like the New.
Speaker 3: Japan uses and with this much issues that New Japan
Speaker 3: have had over the past year, him going to New
Speaker 3: Japan and starting back again there will allow New Japan
Speaker 3: hopefully to recover some of what they.
Speaker 2: Lost, not even not only that that they built the
Speaker 2: aw's entire product was built in New Japan, the entire thing.
Speaker 2: So so give Kenny some time to rebuild himself, recruit
Speaker 2: garner interest over there, and then they bring it back
Speaker 2: to America for Forbidden Door. But like there are so
Speaker 2: I see on the forums, like so many people who
Speaker 2: are like it's not even decisive, Like o F, Kenny Omego,
Speaker 2: why is he not coming back to a w like
Speaker 2: probably because you've never seen him on New Japan before.
Speaker 2: And you you're I want it almost liked cook You're
Speaker 2: you're like, you're an idiot, You're a grifter.
Speaker 10: Go away, And I'll tell you what the fact that
Speaker 10: not only is he coming back to New Japan, but
Speaker 10: he's facing Game Kids.
Speaker 5: Like that's not that's not exactly you know.
Speaker 4: Just making like I'm little returned like Game Kids is
Speaker 4: a serious wrestler.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well there are implications beyond that, good rollins. It
Speaker 2: is a form. It is the former best leader of
Speaker 2: Bullet Club going against Bullet Club's top guy and potentially
Speaker 2: the next leader of Bullet Club. Like yeah, like that's great.
Speaker 2: Like the stories bill themselves.
Speaker 3: And I know they have a connection between the two,
Speaker 3: but with Kenny going to New Japan, you could build
Speaker 3: an even stronger connection that could allow more interaction between
Speaker 3: the New Japan and AW than they have now, not
Speaker 3: just with guys like Ecee and the Murder Grandpa, but
Speaker 3: you could start bringing in more guys like Jeff Cobb
Speaker 3: or Gabe Kid or any number of the young guys
Speaker 3: that don't come over here.
Speaker 4: Exactly seton and like for somebody like me, who's not
Speaker 4: as familiar with, you know, the New Japan product Kenny
Speaker 4: Omega going up we're there, like gets my attention, like, oh,
Speaker 4: maybe I should tune into New Japan to see what
Speaker 4: Kenny Omega is doing.
Speaker 5: And you know that gets more eyes on New Japan.
Speaker 2: Hey, Sutton, to be fair to all the New Japan
Speaker 2: guys here in ae W, they're all homicide elders. She
Speaker 2: is not a spring chicken.
Speaker 3: Dude, I know, but you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I'm just it as forties.
Speaker 2: I mean, like all of these guys are like homicide
Speaker 2: Grandpa's But she.
Speaker 3: About being in his forties isn't old. When you come
Speaker 3: about wrestlers, you can't talk about guys that are under
Speaker 3: fifty or above forty but not quite fifty to fifty five.
Speaker 3: You can't talk to them about being old. Because Shabona
Speaker 3: can still go with anybody, and the only reason that
Speaker 3: he had issues was because of the injury he had.
Speaker 2: I'm projecting because I'm almost forty and I feel old.
Speaker 3: I'm over fifty five, so shut up. You know that.
Speaker 3: The kind of weird thing is you were talking about
Speaker 3: how the New Japan most of the people who came
Speaker 3: from or the bill aw were did their thing through there,
Speaker 3: but people don't mention how many of them can from
Speaker 3: r o H and r o H to me just
Speaker 3: never after they just they shut it down the first
Speaker 3: time before Tony bought it. That kind of killed r
Speaker 3: o H for me.
Speaker 2: Well, it killed r o H for.
Speaker 1: A lot of people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well the reason are you know why r o
Speaker 2: H shutdown?
Speaker 3: I'm not sure. I can't remember it.
Speaker 2: So their owner and promoter was involved with a uh
Speaker 2: a scandal that evolved the word that rhymes with s metophilia.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so like uh so the company was Yeah.
Speaker 3: Now, I just it's just amazing to me that now
Speaker 3: that Tony's brought it back, I just don't think it's
Speaker 3: getting the the the necessary love that it needs to
Speaker 3: be getting. Well, I mean, like it's I think there's
Speaker 3: too much interaction with people from r o H being
Speaker 3: on a w L, especially the men women sat up
Speaker 3: a big deal, but you don't ever see except for
Speaker 3: pay per views. Most of the title defenses for the
Speaker 3: ROH titles are done in aew You.
Speaker 2: Know, I've said this before and this is a pretty
Speaker 2: you know, extreme critique, but I feel that Tony Kahn's
Speaker 2: presence in ROH is cheap in the product completely and
Speaker 2: if you look at Ring of Honors Heyday, you got
Speaker 2: keny Omega, Adam Cole, Kyle Riley, Bobby Fish. That's to
Speaker 2: name a few. I can name a few more since
Speaker 2: Gay Nakamura, Kazuko, kata Uh, Penta, Kevin Owens, Kevin stem Yeah,
Speaker 2: Al Jenerico, Yeah, that Tyler Black the stuff it was
Speaker 2: now Rollins. I mean, like all of these guys like
Speaker 2: these huge names like like see him Punk Samoa Joe,
Speaker 2: you know, or to dip even further in you know,
Speaker 2: EXCaliber you know, like look at Excalibur, you know, like
Speaker 2: like yeah, like ROH has had some of the world's
Speaker 2: greatest wrestlers involved with them. But to wrap this back
Speaker 2: into New Japan, most of these guys in ro OH
Speaker 2: actually started with New in Japan and leaked over to
Speaker 2: r H. Like the Elite disputed. They were New Japan
Speaker 2: guys before they were rh guys. I mean AJ Styles
Speaker 2: was the first peer Champion, like straight up yeah, like
Speaker 2: and that's aj Styles one of the greatest wrestlers on earth.
Speaker 4: So, by the way, just saw this tweet from New
Speaker 4: Japan Global after a challenge from the Young Bucks was
Speaker 4: accepted by the Great o'conn and and raw.
Speaker 5: Excuse me if I mispronounced that name.
Speaker 4: And Hi w GP Tag Team Championship Match has been
Speaker 4: added to January fifth at Russell Dynasty.
Speaker 2: All right, that's gonna be great. These guys have all
Speaker 2: runned before. It's gonna be a banger.
Speaker 1: Well, let's let's move on to Sutton and Steve have
Speaker 1: not done their pote marie yet, neither of I.
Speaker 7: So, jeez, I don't know what to talk about. There's
Speaker 7: you guys, like you guys covered all what I was
Speaker 7: gonna talk about, like the the Ricky Stark stuff, and you.
Speaker 1: Gotta be aggressive, Steve, come on, buddy, how everybody else does?
Speaker 1: How about how? How? I don't know?
Speaker 7: I like, uh, Will Hobbs coming back and like I
Speaker 7: and like I think he's good in the ring now
Speaker 7: and like I think he's going somewhere now that he's back.
Speaker 1: And do you like him as a face better than
Speaker 1: as a heel? Yeah?
Speaker 7: I think that's it. That's what I'm liking.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Did you see his interview with Renee Renee Pikata
Speaker 1: was posted on YouTube earlier today? No, I'll watch it.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's really good. Did you know that
Speaker 1: his brother was murdered right in front of him? Matter
Speaker 1: of fact, his brother he pushed him out of the way.
Speaker 1: Hobbs got shot in the arm. His brother took six
Speaker 1: in the chest. Boom oh, and Hobbs talked about this
Speaker 1: a little bit during the interview. It's really good because
Speaker 1: I've always said that Hobbes is he always strikes me
Speaker 1: as just one of those guys that I want to
Speaker 1: hang around with. He just seems like a genuine good dude.
Speaker 1: That's how I feel too, you know. And he was
Speaker 1: just all the way to put it, he was balling
Speaker 1: his eyes out during this interview. He was belfore it
Speaker 1: was a really good interview. It was really really something.
Speaker 2: He was walking around fright night and Jim Schwartz and
Speaker 2: the tank Top just high five and strangers. I didn't
Speaker 2: I personally saw him, but didn't get to say hey
Speaker 2: to him. But a bunch of people I were with
Speaker 2: like got to talk to him for a couple of minutes,
Speaker 2: and I guess he was like super cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Everybody that ever talks about him outside of the ring
Speaker 3: say he is the nicest, most most amicable person you'll
Speaker 3: ever meet. And what he said earlier this year when
Speaker 3: he first came back, he wants to try to put
Speaker 3: his real personality into his character. Now he's going to
Speaker 3: go away from the other stuff and become more like
Speaker 3: he is in real life, which could be a lot
Speaker 3: of fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this interview, he talked about not even being able
Speaker 1: to like take his kids to school. He's got an
Speaker 1: eighteen year old son, he's got a daughter that's younger
Speaker 1: than that, and heah, but anyway, No, he was talking
Speaker 1: about not even being able to put his shoes on
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. You're not not putting be able
Speaker 1: to put any weight. He went to physical therapy three
Speaker 1: hours a day for six days a week. He was
Speaker 1: going to the gym still, just even though he couldn't
Speaker 1: do much, he still went to the gym, you know.
Speaker 1: And and he said that his goal was to come
Speaker 1: back better than he was when he left. And you know,
Speaker 1: and he did lose it. What he was talking about
Speaker 1: his kids having to take care of him, you know,
Speaker 1: and that they did a good job, you know. And
Speaker 1: he just strikes me. He talked about being a dad
Speaker 1: and you know, a man's responsibility as a father. The
Speaker 1: guy just said everything right, I mean it's a really
Speaker 1: good interview.
Speaker 5: It's on YouTube.
Speaker 1: It's with Rene Paquette. It's on the AW official AW
Speaker 1: YouTube channel, or you can go on AW Final because
Speaker 1: I put a link cord up there. It's definitely worth
Speaker 1: a view. Even if you're not what you would consider
Speaker 1: a fan of Will Hobbs, you will be after this.
Speaker 1: I mean you'll you'll get it. He's just a good
Speaker 1: He's just a good dude. He really is.
Speaker 5: Hey, Keel said, all I will say is this. You
Speaker 5: mentioned how he saw his brother get murdered right in
Speaker 5: front of him.
Speaker 4: MJF better not find out about that because you know
Speaker 4: how kind of promo and mentioned that.
Speaker 1: Well neither should Nick wayn Nick Wayne is gonna probably
Speaker 1: be like I'll be your step brother.
Speaker 6: What's wrong?
Speaker 2: That's wrong?
Speaker 7: Like yeah, Like I only seen Will Hobbs as just
Speaker 7: like someone who would always squash or like in always
Speaker 7: the Squash matches. I'm like, well, come on, there has
Speaker 7: to be more to this guy and than when he
Speaker 7: comes back and returns, it's like I totally see something
Speaker 7: different in him. I'm like, oh, now I want to
Speaker 7: watch him sort.
Speaker 1: Of yeah, but does anybody else have a potpourri sudden.
Speaker 1: I I do have a potpourri, and I men ask
Speaker 1: everybody that's listening and everybody that's on the panel tonight
Speaker 1: tomorrow night, to get out your lamb chops, your pork chops,
Speaker 1: your chop sticks, because we're gonna have Chris Jericho and
Speaker 1: Tamo Heroishi in a chop fest. There's no other way
Speaker 1: to put it. Oh yeah, what's what's the over under?
Speaker 1: I'm saying two hundred chops at least tomorrow night, believe
Speaker 1: it or not. The last time they wrestled, I did
Speaker 1: count it, and I stopped counting at one hundred, and
Speaker 1: that was only about maybe a third of the way
Speaker 1: through the match. But that was a little bit of
Speaker 1: a differause if you remember they spent the first ten
Speaker 1: minutes of that match, they didn't remember that. They didn't
Speaker 1: even attempt the wrestling move. I didn't even do a
Speaker 1: half long They just started right chopping with each other.
Speaker 1: And they just stood toe to toe and chopped. You know,
Speaker 1: Jericho was bleeding through his ear. You know. It was
Speaker 1: just like, I'm like, we're gonna see red chests had
Speaker 1: a lot of chopping tomorrow night, and I hope it's
Speaker 1: a good long match, and I hope it's right at
Speaker 1: nine o'clock because that would be the perfect time to
Speaker 1: take my dogs out because I have no intention to
Speaker 1: watching this match.
Speaker 6: To me, over five hundred, I.
Speaker 1: Don't think they can go that long. Don't break their
Speaker 1: hands if they do it that much, buddy, But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's tell me hero Ishi now this is
Speaker 1: for the rig of Hoter World Championship on a w TV.
Speaker 1: Tell me hero Ishi is right now? Oh at eleven
Speaker 1: and a w singles matches. Why is he in this match?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think.
Speaker 3: That hasn't wrestled Erico under the Learning Tree, isn't he?
Speaker 3: Did he wrestle him? Was that last match with Jericho?
Speaker 3: And in the with Jericho the Learning Tree at the time?
Speaker 1: Pretty sure it was.
Speaker 6: All they got to.
Speaker 3: You've got to get all the conglomeration into this eventually,
Speaker 3: that's what this is.
Speaker 1: They need to decide whether the collaboration is going to
Speaker 1: be going after the Death Writers or they're going to
Speaker 1: go after the Learning Tree, or if they're going after
Speaker 1: the women's division. Who the hell knows what they're doing.
Speaker 1: They're all over the damn place.
Speaker 3: Yeah, honestly, I see them kind of I see them
Speaker 3: kind of breaking the conglomeration down a little bit now,
Speaker 3: because for the next month, you've got uh, You've got
Speaker 3: what was his name in the in the C two,
Speaker 3: and then Mark he's in the C two and Ors
Speaker 3: Cassidy got the crap beat out of him. And if
Speaker 3: you watch the mjf Roddy match, then you've got Kyle
Speaker 3: O'Reilly going weird on that one. So you might not
Speaker 3: see the conglomeration together anymore, at least.
Speaker 1: Not like that, not like that. But I'm still I
Speaker 1: mean that's what they're doing. I mean, look, the fact
Speaker 1: of the matter is it's gonna be a chop best.
Speaker 1: It's a totally mirorless match. I do have another potpourri, uh,
Speaker 1: and it kind of goes along with this. I made
Speaker 1: a post on aw fan Hub and I said something
Speaker 1: that is so poetic, and so it got questioned right away.
Speaker 1: I said that the Orange Cassidy match against John Moxley
Speaker 1: at full gear was pointless but necessary, pointless but necessary,
Speaker 1: and somebody, how could you have a match be both
Speaker 1: pointless and necessary? That's and so I explained it to him.
Speaker 1: It was pointless because nobody that I've talked to expected
Speaker 1: Orange Cassidy to win that match. Everybody expected Orange Cassie
Speaker 1: to lose, So in that regard, it was kind of
Speaker 1: pointless putting him in a World Championship match as a
Speaker 1: main event on a pay per view when there was
Speaker 1: literally no hope from anybody that I talked to, whether
Speaker 1: it be on this podcast or in the different social
Speaker 1: media rounds that I do. Nobody, and I mean this sincerely.
Speaker 1: Some people said they wanted Orange Cassie to win, but
Speaker 1: nobody thought he was gonna win that I talked to. Now,
Speaker 1: now that's what made the match pointless. Why was it necessary?
Speaker 1: Because somebody had to do it, And frankly, Orange Cassidy
Speaker 1: has a history with John Moxley, so that's why Max
Speaker 1: that Cassidy was put in that position. But still it
Speaker 1: was totally a of the matches that were on full gear.
Speaker 1: That one was like absolutely certain there was no way
Speaker 1: to win going into it.
Speaker 3: The only way Max would have lost that masters if
Speaker 3: he would have got a broken leg or something in
Speaker 3: the middle of it. Yeah, but I mean, like you said,
Speaker 3: it wasn't it wasn't it. It wasn't necessary, but it
Speaker 3: was or it wasn't needed, but it was necessary for
Speaker 3: the simple fact that that was the stepping stone to
Speaker 3: the next level of the Death Riders storyline.
Speaker 1: And that's why the pay per view ending kind of
Speaker 1: made people a little bit upset because it was no
Speaker 1: clear the step. The next step wasn't made clear. It
Speaker 1: was very open ended because you had multiple people out
Speaker 1: there that could then be the next challenger.
Speaker 3: So yeah, but I think the whole Derby thing is
Speaker 3: the is the next step and if it's not him,
Speaker 3: it's it's gonna be either Christian or somebody else, because
Speaker 3: I still think the will the uh the uh uh cowboy.
Speaker 1: Let me say something, No, let me say something to
Speaker 1: you here, sudden look at the C two. Look at
Speaker 1: the C two roster right right? The C two ends
Speaker 1: at World's end, right right, that's the final right that,
Speaker 1: in and of itself, that tells me that nobody in
Speaker 1: this C two roster is the next step for John Moxley,
Speaker 1: because the only way they could be is by being
Speaker 1: failures in a lesser championship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but we're not picking Darby to win.
Speaker 1: But why would you Derby Darby challenge for the World
Speaker 1: Championship but he's losing so goddamn much.
Speaker 3: Well, that's the same thing saying that the same question
Speaker 3: that can be asked. Everybody says that Stylander should be
Speaker 3: into women's world title match, but she keeps losing because
Speaker 3: he Shouldn't you say that.
Speaker 1: I don't think that she'd be in the world title match.
Speaker 1: She loses too much. She's got enough to win there.
Speaker 3: But you know, the only person in that match, the
Speaker 3: only person in the C two that would be the
Speaker 3: next step for him is Derby if they want to
Speaker 3: go with Derby now, but it could be somebody else.
Speaker 3: We don't know. It's not gonna I know it definitely
Speaker 3: not gonna be Christian because it's sorry. Ask ain't gonn
Speaker 3: challenge him unless he knows he can beat him?
Speaker 1: Exactly? Well, you can. You could argue that Osprey could be.
Speaker 1: But I will say this, nobody in the C two
Speaker 1: is is Boxley's next step. They can't be. There's no
Speaker 1: way they can set it up. How are you gonna
Speaker 1: have because the C two is a round robin, so
Speaker 1: even if they're eliminated, they're still gonna be fighting up
Speaker 1: until like the week before the finals in the C two.
Speaker 1: And why would you put a loser in the C two?
Speaker 1: Is as the world champion.
Speaker 3: This is one of the reasons why I said that
Speaker 3: this whole Death Riders storyline and the C two don't
Speaker 3: mix because you're eliminating you're eliminating twelve people from that,
Speaker 3: and you're putting people in the C two. The big
Speaker 3: thing right now with the Death Writers is they attack people.
Speaker 3: You can't do that in the C two. So Claudia
Speaker 3: was on his own.
Speaker 1: Something tells me get ready for hangman at him page
Speaker 1: and John Moxley, what is it? Four or five? Four?
Speaker 5: Could be?
Speaker 1: Could be?
Speaker 3: But he's got problems with Jay White. I mean, well,
Speaker 3: I guess Jay White's going after Christian maybe.
Speaker 2: Well at the end of the pay per view he
Speaker 2: was screaming pack Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3: And the thing about that is that could lead except
Speaker 3: for the fact that Juice is in it too, So
Speaker 3: that puts them a man down, even if they have
Speaker 3: the entire Bang Bang gang. So that puts him a
Speaker 3: man down going up against the Death Writers. So the
Speaker 3: Death Riders are still well I guess not because Claudi's
Speaker 3: in there. So it makes it even I.
Speaker 1: Don't just scount lastly, right, And and.
Speaker 3: That's and that's the most that's the best part of
Speaker 3: that whole thing. Everybody's like, oh, it didn't make it
Speaker 3: clear who cares. It gave us so many options that
Speaker 3: we don't know what's gonna happen tomorrow night when it
Speaker 3: comes to Moxley. Moxie could come out and declared that
Speaker 3: he's going after the Bang Bang Gang. He could come
Speaker 3: out and declared he's going after the Hurt Syndicate. He
Speaker 3: could come out and declared he's going after anybody Derby,
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, there's there's so many options for this,
Speaker 3: and that's what makes it exciting because it's what everybody wants.
Speaker 3: Everybody wants there to be that unknown factor in a
Speaker 3: W and I'm by god if there ain't that unknown
Speaker 3: factor right now.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, suck you brought up, you know, Chris
Speaker 1: Statlander for whatever reason going after the World Championship. I mean,
Speaker 1: we are going to need somebody to go after the
Speaker 1: World champions It could be mean as shere Kala, that
Speaker 1: could be true.
Speaker 3: The way they.
Speaker 1: Yeah, CALLA is not on a winning streak. Tony Storm
Speaker 1: certainly isn't on a winning streak. She's lost three matches
Speaker 1: in a row, singles Matches'll be it not a W
Speaker 1: but she still lost three matches in a row and
Speaker 1: singles petition. Only two women in AW that have some
Speaker 1: kind of momentum going into to uh A possibility of
Speaker 1: challenging Mariah may Is, Mercedes Modem Jamie Hater. I mean,
Speaker 1: am I wrong there?
Speaker 3: Well, Jamie hasn't really been in a match. I mean,
Speaker 3: she's had what two matches since he's come back. In
Speaker 3: the one they drug her off before she got involved
Speaker 3: in it, and the other one she went up against Penelope.
Speaker 3: So you know, that goes back to saying earlier about
Speaker 3: how they.
Speaker 1: Bring people in beat the Carsheta.
Speaker 3: I don't think she wrestled cheated.
Speaker 1: I don't know, so sheida loses to everybody these days.
Speaker 3: But but that's that's part of the problem is that
Speaker 3: that I have with the way they do things in AW.
Speaker 3: You know, you're not using you're not using the win
Speaker 3: loss records, so throw that out the door. But they
Speaker 3: have so many people who are losing matches that shouldn't
Speaker 3: lose matches, and you're not giving yourself a clear cut
Speaker 3: person to put in a title shot, especially in the
Speaker 3: winner's division, because everybody's losing if they're if they're and
Speaker 3: and when they do get a shot at the titles.
Speaker 3: They're losing, Yeah, and A one and a Jay Wonder
Speaker 3: Magic against Mariah the first time and then got beat
Speaker 3: the second time, and her momentum is killed. You got
Speaker 3: Queen Amnada going up against Mercedes Money and gets beat.
Speaker 3: She's got no momentum anymore. Chris lost to her. She's
Speaker 3: got no minimum anymore. The only ones that have momentum
Speaker 3: that aren't there is Julia.
Speaker 2: They killed Penelope for its momentum as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was ridiculous. Yeah, I mean I agree with you. Well, look,
Speaker 1: we need to wrap this up because we're heading on
Speaker 1: to two hours.
Speaker 3: Now, go for three minutes, go to midnight.
Speaker 1: Well, anyway, I do have a couple of announcements, one
Speaker 1: being is that we will be doing our Dynamite post
Speaker 1: show review show right after Dynamite on our discord. The
Speaker 1: link to the discord will be in this podcast description.
Speaker 1: The second announcement is is on Friday at noon. Black
Speaker 1: Friday at noon the nomination start for the aw fan
Speaker 1: Hub twenty twenty four Awards. We've got the categories all
Speaker 1: set up. We're going to post them up on all
Speaker 1: of our social media. You can nominate three wrestlers in
Speaker 1: each category. We'll keep that going for a week and
Speaker 1: then after the nominations are talied, the top four from
Speaker 1: each category will then be put the vote and you
Speaker 1: will select the aew fan Hub Award. So be sure
Speaker 1: to look for that on all of our social media
Speaker 1: Blue Sky, aw fan Hub, our Discord, YouTube, put it
Speaker 1: everywhere so you can cast your boats for your nominations
Speaker 1: in each of these categories. And we did it last year.
Speaker 1: This is the second annual one and it was a
Speaker 1: lot of fun. We had thousands of votes last year
Speaker 1: and our community has grown strippled since last year at
Speaker 1: this time, so this could be really fun. It could
Speaker 1: be a lot of work too, but it should be
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. Okay. So that's it for tonight.
Speaker 1: That is the Ignition Podcast. For everybody you joined in tonight,
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Speaker 1: So fortyaw Fanub podcast team. This is Kelson. Good night, everybody,
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