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Speaker 1: It's Tuesday. You know what that means. It's time for

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ignition with the aw Fat podcast team. And we just

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saw Full Gear this past weekend, and part of this

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show is going to be a fallout from the Full

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Gear show. But we've got a lot more to talk about.

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But let's start with our thoughts on Full Gear. What

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did you guys think of this a w pay per view?

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Speaker 2: If I were a betting man, I'd say that Sutton

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and I are probably gonna be on the same page

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about bringing this up. But I want to talk about

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the end of the pay per view.

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Speaker 1: God forbid. I want to break it here and apologize

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to everybody listening because this is not going to be pretty.

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I can tell you.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's not.

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Speaker 2: Let's knock the toughest thing off the list right now.

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I don't want to say Full Gear was underwhelming. I

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thought there were a lot of good matches. I thought

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there was a lot of good stories being told to

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the end of the pay per view. Kelson, by the way,

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to your chagrin, good call on Christian coming out. Man,

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Christian comes out to cash in his contract. Of course,

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interferences all over the place. You got a hangman and

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a page out there for whatever reason, you got Jay

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White out there. Makes sense that Jay was out there

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because he has unresolved beef with Christian. He was probably

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the only guy in that ring other than Christian who

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had a reason to be out there. So now I

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want to say, it didn't make a lot of sense

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to me because you know, obviously Hangman is supposed to

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be on that right that I'm going to crush everyone

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that got in the way of me and swerve campaign,

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and I guess he just decided out of nowhere that

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he wanted to be a w World champion again.

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Speaker 3: Actually, the reason that Paige was there has asked himutely

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nothing to do with that. It asked the fact that

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Christian paid him. According to the way I saw it,

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Christian paid him to do what he could do to

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John Moxley to make him vulnerable to Christian. He just

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didn't count on j White.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think the other part of the puzzle

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you guys are missing is I think it was a

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few months back Christian promised Hangman the first title shot

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once he won the World Championship, So it totally made

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sense why Hangman was out there with Christian Cage. I

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loved the ending. Actually, because you got Christian in the

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World title Picture. You got Hangman who's now in the

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World title Picture. You got Jay White, who it appears

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is going to be the next challenger to John Moxley, which,

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please give me that match. I will take that every

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day of the week, Monday through its Sunday, thank you

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very much.

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Speaker 5: And then and then you've got Darby Allen.

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Speaker 4: So you got all these factors in the World Title Picture.

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We're not one hundred percent sure how the pieces going together.

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We we each have an idea, but I like this.

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I really like this.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna shop White go ahead, right all right, So

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I'm gonna make like the phony statement.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 2: Finally, for the first time in a w programming, we're

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getting an actual battle to belts, battle for.

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Speaker 1: Hell.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, Jay White, Hangman, and Christian the only one that's

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gonna be involved in the title shot or the title

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picture from from now until Marshley loses. It's gonna be

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Christian only because he's got that stupid match. The other

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two aren't anything to do with that. It's all about them.

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That's the battle that they're gonna see. So it world's

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in You're gonna see what round three of Hangman and

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Jay White. So basically from the ending and the way

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it wents, I think we're still all pretty much we're

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on that page before this is gonna be. The next

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step is Derby.

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Speaker 4: I don't think they do the Derby match and next year, Laura.

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Speaker 1: Uh. A couple of things, Lauren, if you want to talk,

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just raise your hand. Second thing, that was not Max,

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that was talking. That was something even though I called

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on Max something, I'm.

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Speaker 3: Sorry I didn't you call him.

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Speaker 6: I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I was looking at I was

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looking at the card for a full gear and and

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yeah with the Cassidy Mosley match, yeah that I feel

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she could have been a lot more polished because to

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me it seemed at times just a big mess. Like

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the direction wise, they could take this in many different directions,

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like because now you have Christian, you have him teasing

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his cash on was a contract, so that I think

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is going to really like be part of the whole thing.

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You like, May a month or two May, post post

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Maine in New Year, we might see Christian and the

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patriarchy taking on to death Riders and Moxleby before the

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elite guys come back like Kenny in the Bucks for

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that whole showdown with Box.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Max, she made really good points there.

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Here's the thing in my thought process on this. First

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of all, does how do I put this question? Do

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you guys think that what happened at the end of

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Full Gear justified the last four weeks was of the

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whole Moxley five weeks, six weeks of the Moxley and

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Death writers thing? Because to me, it didn't. I just

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don't feel like it's anywhere. I just don't think that

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there was anything. But I think that that show, and

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ending of that show was just all over the place

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and cluster exactly.

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Speaker 6: It was me asking more questions than what we had answered.

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Speaker 1: He's here's the thing.

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Speaker 2: It was a bad thing, you know, let me speak here.

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing the question that I want answered. Then,

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because Max again made a good point and left a

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lot of questions. Are they good questions? Are they interesting questions?

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Speaker 5: No, they're not. I disagree with that.

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Speaker 4: First of all, I love that they brought Willow back

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in this fashion, because you needed somebody like a Willow

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nightingale to counteract for lack of term what Marina Shaffir

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has been doing for Moxley's group. Again, I couldn't think

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of a very term than counteract.

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Speaker 1: No, that's a good that's a good expert that I

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agree with you. That was really good because we've all

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been wondering what's Marina spear doot other than trying to

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steal Boxley from Renee.

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Speaker 6: Willow? Are we gonna see a build to Willow versus Marino?

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Is that in the cards for Tony?

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Speaker 1: Well, there's another way to look at it. Are we

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going to see the conglomeration still against the Death Writers? Still?

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And I'm sorry, but I don't want to see that.

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Speaker 3: I don't think we are because Willow is a part

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of them in some portions of the story, but she's

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really not. I mean, if you were gonna go, if

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I was gonna pick one of the women on the roster,

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that would have been a that I would have picked

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as a fit for the congomeration. It would have been

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Stat instead of Willow, because Stat has a history.

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Speaker 1: Do you watch Stat though with the Men's channel?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: No, no, that that has nothing to do with it.

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Speaker 3: No, there's a bunch of them I like. But no, seriously,

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she's the only one that has a history with the

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best friends, which is Orange Cassidy. So there's more of

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a history with Statlander in there than there is with Willow.

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That's why I'm saying that. But what it comes down

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to the questions that are there. Yeah, there's more questions

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than we got answered. But the thing is you want

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more questions than you have answers for it, because if

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you have all the answers, now, what's the point in

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continuing the story.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I have to expand on that stat didn't

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make up with Orange Cassidy after betraying him with Trumperetta

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when Trimperetta joined the Don Calls family before his spinal fusion.

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whole bunch of story part telling to get her into

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that faction. Willo seems like a better fit.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 2: I love stat too, one of my favorite wrestlers on

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the roster, But like, I can't see it right now.

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Speaker 1: Maybe in the future, maybe they're working towards reconciliation between

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Stat Willa. You never know. Slowly towards I mean.

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Speaker 4: I personally wait want to see that not after the

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absolute war they went through it all out, which I

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loved that match, the street fight it all out, that

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was one of my favorites personally.

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Speaker 1: Well, I will say this that we were all right

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that Orange Cassidy wasn't going to win that match. Congratulations everybody.

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Such an intelligent pick.

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Speaker 2: And who would have thought we dah oh god.

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Speaker 5: Well, I'm not no on that note. No, Shane, Like,

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and I've been saying this for a little while.

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Speaker 4: Everybody's like one hundred percent convinced that it's gonna be

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Darby Allen who takes the title off of John Moxley,

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and that's most likely the direction they are going. But

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I'm not one hundred percent convinced about that because they're

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gaslighting Wheeler. You do so much that it feels like

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something big is going to happen. And that's why I'm like,

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maybe it could be Wheeler that takes the title off

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of Moxley. I'm just playing it out there as a possibility.

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I don't think you can completely dismiss it.

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Speaker 1: You know, Wheeler, you have Stockholm.

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Speaker 2: He's Stockholm syndrome, dude, Like he took direct defense during

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or two Orange Cassidy during that match with no other

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reason other than screwing him over. He didn't have to

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get involved. Max was gonna win and get the pin.

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But you know, Wheeler did the COUDI gran him. I

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don't see the Wheeler turn coming anytime soon. And I

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don't think that they're gonna pull the you know, pull

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the trigger on a belt on Darby until, like all

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in seriously next year. I think they're gonna drag this

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thing out. One thing we did get from this is

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faction warfare there for warfare though one where we had

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four factions involved with you know, the Death Riders at

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the end of this pay per view, So one way

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or the other, you know it's gonna make CE two

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really interesting.

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Speaker 6: Okay, Well, what's.

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Speaker 1: Another thing, Max, before you jump in, I had another

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thought process? Okay, question on this going back to Darby Allen,

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Claudio Castic Noley dismantled Darby Allen. That was not even

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a contest in my opinion. I mean, if they were

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going to put a belt or a championship opportunity on

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Darby Allen, don't you think that they would start building

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toward that with at least a decent showing. That was

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a glorified squash match for Claudio Castignole. I mean, seriously,

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to Shane's point, if they started now Darby Allen had

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Darby Allen's back at square one, I mean he's a

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zero for me. I mean, the most impressive thing he's

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done in a w is outside of the ring. He's

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not been impressive in the ring in recent memory. So

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he's got to get in the ring and start doing

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some matches. Maybe the C two is where he gets

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going Wednesday night, He's got brody King.

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Speaker 3: That was that he was impressive in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if brody King beats beats him two, Darby.

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Speaker 6: My thing is that the only time I've really been

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sold on the Darby Owen character and his whole thing

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is when he's with Sting and then we have no

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clue when he's coming back. He's enjoying retirement. But I

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wanted to I wanted to circle back to to that

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brand warfare thing that we're just talking about. Warfare, Yeah,

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the faction of warfare, because right now you have like

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four SO factions involved four SO groups. But here's something

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you guys got to keep in mind, especially getting into

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the new year and potentially building to the Spring. You

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remember at some point the Bucks are gonna come back. Oh,

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Kenny's gonna come back. All those guys are gonna come back,

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and and they're gonna fight Moxley.

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Speaker 3: I have a feeling the Bucks are coming back at

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Wrestle Dream.

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Speaker 5: You mean World End, a World's End?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, World's End, That's what I meant. Yeah, they've

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said that they're coming back at World's End, which is

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the next pay per view, So they're not going to

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be gone for much longer.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but I know they said that they're also going

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to be wrestling at Wressell Dynasty.

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Speaker 6: Okay, but the big question is are they going to

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bring Omega with them? Is going to come back down here?

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Speaker 1: But that's if. If if Omega came back with the Bucks,

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it would be next year at this time, because there's

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just no way with how much that they are enemies

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right now, it would take a year's worth of reconciliation

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probably to set that back in the place.

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Speaker 3: Well, Kings already said he's not wrestling in aw in

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near future. His first match is going to be in

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New Japan next year, and he's not coming back to

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aew right now because quote him, they don't need.

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Speaker 1: Him true what he said. No, No, Tony Kahan, I

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believe yesterday, or at least on the media call for

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Full Gear, said that he does think that Kenny Omega

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is going to wrestle before Russell Dynasty. I'm not mistaken.

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I believe that was that so.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, yeah, I agreed. But what I was trying

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to get at it was, I'm not saying Omega in

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the Bucks are going to reunite immediately. I mean, it's

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obviously gonna be a long burn, but it's still a

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something that might happen around all out next year. Possibly,

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Like that's something that I think would be in the

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cards for twenty five, is the elite versus the deaf

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erence possibly in stadium stampede.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you can't discount that Kenny Omega may

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work begrudgingly with the elite because they have a comp goal,

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meaning the destruction of the death writers. You never know.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And like I said earlier, it's like on the

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ww GUD we're doing the same thing over there. It's

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a similar bi.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, you know, is there anything else in the

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Full Gear pay per view that we want to talk about.

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I mean, we could talk about I thought that there

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were great match.

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Speaker 6: Okay, can we talk about the pre show? Then let's

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talk about QT versus AJ.

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Speaker 3: So so I did a little research before that started.

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I wanted to check something on the numbers, and according

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to Google, the average concurrent viewers of the pre of

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the pre show on YouTube is normally one hundred thousand people.

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They never got that high this time. I was watching

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on the YouTube and the most it got to was

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like seventy five thousand. So the thought that AJ and

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then We're going to bring in this large number of

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viewers never panned out.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that that's a good barometer something. And

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I'll tell you why I watched the Zero Hour. I

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know a lot of people to watch the Zero Hour

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that was that were in the live chat, and none

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of us were watching it on YouTube. I was watching

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it on Trouler along with a lot of other people. Right,

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keep a mid that that I think early on, I

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think YouTube was basically the advertised method to watch Zero Hour.

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Go ahead, Shane, you had a thought.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I also have to throw it out there

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that that clip of QT versus AJ is the third

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most watched YouTube clip on aw's page, currently next to

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uh punk at, MJF and Cassidy.

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Speaker 3: I can't believe they still got the Punk and MG

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have one on there.

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Speaker 2: It's number two for some reason.

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Speaker 6: In AW or are we talking like in general, because

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in general from what I've heard, it's the third most

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watched clip.

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Speaker 2: No, it's the third most watched clip, like straight up

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on on a w YouTube channel.

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Speaker 6: I thought it was in regards to like wrestling as

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a whole, because I know one.

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Speaker 2: Was Yeah, no, hold on, you're talking about the Twitter analytics.

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That's Twitter. I was just talking about you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you.

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Speaker 6: Never mind.

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Speaker 2: I mean you're right, because that that also announced it.

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It's Joe and Hendri and nx T and then Punk's

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return and then a J for the a J and uh,

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what's his face?

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Speaker 6: Marshall?

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Speaker 3: It comes you're saying, it's Marshall, Marshall, Marshall.

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Speaker 1: When it comes to Big a J. I don't think

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that there's any argument that that was it was a success.

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I think yeah, I tell you exactly what they what

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they were.

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Speaker 6: It was a great.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's what did you guys think of of the

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Chris Statlander Mercedes Monette match? I mean that was uh,

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that was something.

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Speaker 6: That was something, Kelson, that was something. And I've seen

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Mercedes Monet at her best and at her worst in

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and outside of aw.

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Speaker 1: And what did you think.

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Speaker 6: I think that that carried that match? And that personally

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this is me. Mercedes Money has lost her touch. She

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has lost her touch on on the product and on

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the business. And it's and it's hard to see, you know,

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because I I grew up with fake and I was

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a teenager when she was Sasha Banks and she had

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some really good matches back like ten years ago. And

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for me, it's sad to see.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what did everybody else think about? We already know

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what something is going to say because.

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Speaker 3: Everybody else, No, no, this is not my problem with

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that matches. Okay, discuss this with my son. I keep

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trying to tell him I have no problem with Mercedes

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winning that match. The problem I have is what they're

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going to do with that title after that match. Because

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everybody talks about how they're going to make Camille is

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going to be the one to dethrone Mercedes. That is

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one of the that's going to be just as bad

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as when Cargio had the title because in the matches

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that Camillo has had.

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Speaker 1: Every everybody isn't saying that.

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Speaker 3: That's what I've been hearing from a lot of people.

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I would love to see Julia Hart come back and

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take it.

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Speaker 6: Okay, joy Heart would take it.

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Speaker 4: I agree, but certainly seems like they're going in the

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direction of a Julia Hart Jamie Ader feud instead.

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Speaker 1: I just agree with that too, So I and I

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will share my opinion after other people have shared theirs.

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So give me match. Steve or Shane, do you have

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any thoughts on the christat Lander and Mercedes Monet match.

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Speaker 7: I was really hoping that that would win, but she didn't,

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and I'm getting pretty bored of Monet by now, So yeah,

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just just gives the belts to someone else on board

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of it.

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Speaker 6: Know what, what what Jamie hadn't take it, Let Jamie

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take it off for.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to see I don't want to see

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Jamie with the TBS title.

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Speaker 2: Well, you got all these women and the mid card that,

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like the women's locker room is so confusing because you

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got all these women on the mid card that should

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be on the you know, in the world's title scene,

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you got all these women in the world title scene

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that should be on the mid card or or mid

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card or in r o H like Britt Britt Baker.

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Sorry boy, I baited Sutton. No, I'm just this match

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was sloppy, it was poorly telegraphed. Chris Chris carried of monet.

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I have to agree with Max. I mean, like, like

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one of my favorite w WE matches from almost pre

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pandemic era was Bailey Sasha Banks hell to sell like

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it's it doesn't I don't think it's her touch. I

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don't think she has any incentive to perform because she's

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already made for money. She's like the Deshaun Watson of

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a W. You know, she's minus allegations, minus the allegations.

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I'm just I'm just saying. I mean, she's already been paid,

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if she's gonna be paid, She's two years with a

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W and she could go back to sucking on Disney too.

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I mean like it's just just.

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Speaker 3: Makes her look like I don't want to have the

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problem with the mask if they had her win no clean.

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Speaker 2: The last thirty seconds were a sloppy mess.

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Speaker 3: Yeah that I mean, she didn't cheat to get the wins,

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she didn't get help to get the win. That's what

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I'm talking about. It was not a very much. I

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didn't like it. I thought it was terrible that and

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I'll say it again, and you can rag on me

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all you want to. Dat Leander has done so much

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for this company. Mornee has done nothing. She's been there

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since March. She's done absolutely nothing to elevate the women's division.

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All she's done is elevate herself. And people are tired

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of it.

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Speaker 1: I like, I totally disagree with you. The Mercedes Mercedes

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Monette or just being in AW has elevated the women's division.

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She's gotten more promo time for the women, She's gotten

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more matches for the women on TV. Uh. The women

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are more exposed as far as good exposure on TV

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because of Mercedes Monette. Plain and I disagree with it. Well,

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you can disagree with all that's.

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Speaker 6: I disagree with that.

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Speaker 1: In the weeks before Mercedes Monet and look at look

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at AW sins you were lucky.

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Speaker 3: But what about the champ back then, Well it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter.

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Speaker 8: You were getting possibly one minute or what about you

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were getting possibly one match for seven minutes or eight

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minutes every show.

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Speaker 1: That's it. This was the longest women's match in a

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w history. And you're not only getting that, you're getting

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promo after promo. Do you really think that somebody like

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Harley Cameron would have a shot to do what she's

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doing if Mercedes Monet was not with the company? I

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can guarantee you no, I can guarantee you. I don't

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think that Anna j goes the start of a Mercedes

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Monet isn't with the company. I don't think you see

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a lot of you. I think that people look at

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Mercedes Monet with a little bit of a jaded glasses.

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I guess that's the best way to put it. I'm

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gonna say this, and I'm gonna say this good, say

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this right now. This was a great match for Statlander,

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who was a great match for Monette. Yes, there were

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a few botches, but what wrestling match doesn't have botches.

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People are so critical of Mercedes Monet that they see

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what they want to see. I mean, you guys are

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treating Mercedes Monet like she's if you guys could seriously

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watch it, Eddie Kingston match and you can't watch it,

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Eddie king watch a Mercedes Monet match. The right there

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in my estimation. I'm sorry, but you're full of shit

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because Eddie Kingston is the worst wrestler at aw period.

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Speaker 6: Kelson Mercedes's she just doesn't seem what's the word inspired,

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or like, she doesn't seem to, you know, want to

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do it. Like it's like she she's just.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what you were watching. She was hitting,

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she was hitting her spots, she was doing some moves,

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she was taking some bumps, she was selling really really well,

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she was acting, she was doing everything. And at the end,

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what she hit her? What what's that finishing move of hers?

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The money maker, the money no one, That was probably

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one of the best ones she's done in the history

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of that move in this company.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so no problem. If she did so well in

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that match, why is it only in that match She's

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not done that in any of the.

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Speaker 1: Mass had I didn't say that saying that this match

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was a decently good match.

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Speaker 2: It was.

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Speaker 1: Frankly, I thought it was a great match. Yes, there

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was the botches, but you can't go back and watch

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it again. I had a problem with what's that move

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that she does, the case door or whatever. It sounds

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like an Italian canoli, a brand I don't know, but

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but she did that way too many times. But there

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were some counter moves that you did. Yeah, the media

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or I don't know why, I was like a kidchen

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Tis Yeah, yeah, I mean that was a little bit,

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a little bit much, but all in all, I thought

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that she was fluid, she had some counter wrestling that

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she did. And look, I'm not saying that Chris Statlander

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did not do well in that match, because she did

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fantastic in that match. I would not have been upset

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if Chris stat Lander won it, however, And I mean

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I have something to say about Mercedes Monett when we

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get to topic a little bit later in the show

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as far as the Women's International Cup and what I

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think is in store for that. Is there anything else

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in the full Gear fallout portion of this show before

476
00:28:14,079 --> 00:28:16,279
we move on that anybody wants to talk about it

477
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:17,720
full Gear? Well?

478
00:28:17,839 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, cool, hold on before I just want to. I

479
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,960
don't want to interrupt, but Kel said I did want to.

480
00:28:24,279 --> 00:28:26,839
I did want to express that your assessment of the

481
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,480
women getting more time on TV because of money, it's

482
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,640
one hundred percent true. Tony has to pay his investment forward,

483
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,160
so he has to create the programs to keep her

484
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,119
on TV, which is involves more women in the locker room.

485
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:38,839
You're a hundred percent right. That's not a bad thing

486
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,119
for everyone that's been for everyone that's been crying that

487
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,720
the women need a better front face in the audience,

488
00:28:44,759 --> 00:28:48,559
we certainly have gotten that. Now I will I'm going

489
00:28:48,599 --> 00:28:51,079
to go back to my original criticism of this is

490
00:28:51,119 --> 00:28:54,400
that money continues to have to be curried in matches,

491
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,680
and she has more tenure and professional wrestling than most

492
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,039
of the people in aw let alone. You know, the

493
00:28:59,039 --> 00:29:01,799
people that she's facing that looked like more compelling challengers.

494
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:06,279
I mean, you know, for someone who has her level

495
00:29:06,279 --> 00:29:10,200
of experience in training, she shouldn't be watching her debut

496
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,079
in New Japan, right, or more stuttering on a mic.

497
00:29:13,319 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: You know.

498
00:29:14,079 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 2: So I'm not thinking I'm not thinking that.

499
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,599
Speaker 1: But i will say this again. When Mercedes Mondet was

500
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:28,319
first hired at a w and I don't remember if

501
00:29:28,319 --> 00:29:33,799
it was Fightful or if it was Wrestling Observer or whatever,

502
00:29:35,039 --> 00:29:38,039
but one of those people said one of the things

503
00:29:38,079 --> 00:29:43,279
that was in basically the pitch for Mercedes Monde, the

504
00:29:43,319 --> 00:29:48,640
Mercedes Monett requested was that the women have at least

505
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,720
one or two matches on every show, and if they

506
00:29:52,799 --> 00:29:56,240
only had one match that they she wanted the women

507
00:29:56,359 --> 00:30:02,799
to have promos back backstage or in ring promos, at

508
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,319
least like two of them. And if you watch the

509
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:09,799
show since Big Business, that's exactly what's been happening. If

510
00:30:09,839 --> 00:30:13,319
you watch Collision, you watch Rampage, and you watch Dynamite,

511
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,759
the women are getting much more time. Thank you, Mercedes.

512
00:30:17,759 --> 00:30:26,160
Monette Lander would not be anywhere near what she's doing now.

513
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:32,319
Speaker 6: So I see that, and I am appreciative for Mercedes

514
00:30:32,359 --> 00:30:37,240
money on that front. But then again, it's gonna was

515
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:41,200
that it's gonna take time, because like it's gonna take

516
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,880
time for this Defloyd paint.

517
00:30:43,599 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 5: Out, So I'll have to go back and watch the match.

518
00:30:48,079 --> 00:30:50,759
Speaker 4: But from what I heard and from what I saw,

519
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,599
it looked like it was a really good match, maybe

520
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,759
even close to great. But in terms of other stuff

521
00:30:58,759 --> 00:31:03,799
on the full Gear Car, how about Daniel Garcia walking

522
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,200
away with the TNT Championship.

523
00:31:07,839 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 5: I think that's a very interesting.

524
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:16,359
Speaker 4: Development, not only because of the John Moxley stuff, and

525
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:21,400
you know he's been directly involved with that. You know,

526
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,960
you could go back to Jack Perry and whether he's

527
00:31:25,119 --> 00:31:31,759
the guy really driving Moxley, But it's also like Moxley's

528
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,799
kind of getting what he wants.

529
00:31:34,319 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 5: You know, Private Party is not sitting on.

530
00:31:38,319 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 4: Their morals or laurels whatever the word is there anymore.

531
00:31:44,039 --> 00:31:48,039
They're the tag team champions. Daniel Garcia another young guy.

532
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,720
Guess what, he's the TNT Champion. Now it's kind of

533
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,000
you know, tying into that story. But you also have

534
00:31:58,079 --> 00:32:03,400
a number of contenders, Adam and JF and just to

535
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:04,200
name a couple.

536
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,559
Speaker 1: Sure, And did you notice that the post show media

537
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,799
scrum that when Daniel Garcia came out, he was like

538
00:32:11,839 --> 00:32:13,240
one of the first ones to come out too. I

539
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,759
think he was the second one. Uh. The TNT Championship

540
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,559
was restored to its original tn T Championship. It was

541
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,680
no longer the black painted with the blood spatter that

542
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,640
Jack Perry has been carrying around. Just how I point

543
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:27,000
that out.

544
00:32:28,599 --> 00:32:32,759
Speaker 4: I also like that after Daniel Garcia won that match,

545
00:32:33,079 --> 00:32:35,160
when he was going back up the ramp, he had

546
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,759
the aw flag wrapped around them.

547
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,599
Speaker 1: He took that, he took that from somebody in the crowd.

548
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,640
He apologize for it at the media scrub that he

549
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,160
you know, in the excite that he took it basically,

550
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,880
and it didn't belong to him if he stole it

551
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,960
from a fan. Yeah, I'm sure they got to fans

552
00:32:55,519 --> 00:32:58,519
compliment some way.

553
00:32:58,119 --> 00:33:02,279
Speaker 4: But I I I think this is gonna really elevate

554
00:33:02,359 --> 00:33:07,759
Daniel Garcia. But I'm more curious to see where Jack

555
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:12,519
Perry goes from here. Does he kind of disappear with

556
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:17,319
the rest of the Elite, does he get involved somewhere else.

557
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:23,000
That's where I'm kind of going with this, is like,

558
00:33:23,799 --> 00:33:26,279
where does Jack Perry go from here?

559
00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:28,799
Speaker 3: To be honest, I never really bought him as a

560
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,160
member of the Elite. He just doesn't seem to be

561
00:33:32,279 --> 00:33:34,319
that kind of character, you know what I mean. He's like,

562
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,599
it's like they put him there because they wanted a

563
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,200
fourth member, but he really doesn't belong And I kind

564
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,319
of see him going with the Death Riders.

565
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,599
Speaker 2: I have a personal statement to make against that. I

566
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,960
see one hundred percent why I see one hundred percent

567
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,200
why Jack Perry joined the Elite after everything that happened

568
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,200
with Sampunk. That was the perfect group of people to

569
00:33:56,279 --> 00:33:59,200
join up with because they were all the most jaded

570
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,559
people that had issues with all of that situation.

571
00:34:02,319 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: So I mean that very exactly.

572
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was connective tissue to bringing him back

573
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,719
from New Japan from the House of Violence, which is

574
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,639
sad because he ruled in that faction. Uh you know,

575
00:34:16,039 --> 00:34:18,760
uh rollins. I actually have a question for you. Do

576
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,840
you think that do you honestly think that Jack Perry

577
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:22,320
is about to sit or do you think he's about

578
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:23,719
to escalate his bad behavior.

579
00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 5: That's the thing.

580
00:34:26,119 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 4: I'm really not sure, Shane, because I could, like you

581
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,960
make a very valid question, and I think you can

582
00:34:35,039 --> 00:34:40,280
make a solid argument for both sides of it.

583
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 5: Really, you know, I.

584
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 2: No, no, go ahead, I mean fantasy booking, this would

585
00:34:49,039 --> 00:34:51,840
be next week. Jack cuts a promo. The belt was

586
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,599
just an object. I'm coming after everybody. I don't need

587
00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:57,480
no friends, and like he can, I love his character.

588
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,280
Escapegoat goat thing was one of the best things that's

589
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,760
it's taking taking the loin cloth off of Jack Perry

590
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,719
was the best thing that happened to this dude's career.

591
00:35:06,519 --> 00:35:09,079
Like serious, I love I love Jungle Boy. He was

592
00:35:09,119 --> 00:35:13,039
like half It was like very heartwarming and the whoa, whoa, whoa,

593
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:20,800
that's all you know. Yeah, But like I just he's

594
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,079
more convincing as like an asshole.

595
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: I like it.

596
00:35:26,639 --> 00:35:28,679
Speaker 6: If you don't mind. I want to make a comparison

597
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:33,559
real quick, Jack Parry, Jack Perry, jungle Boy Jack Perry.

598
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,920
The evolution of that character reminds me kind of Bail

599
00:35:39,039 --> 00:35:42,079
you over in w w A. Going from like the

600
00:35:42,159 --> 00:35:46,239
lovable baby face to gritty heel.

601
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,599
Speaker 5: Gosh, that's kind of what I want to see.

602
00:35:50,639 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 4: Will Nightingale, Dude, Max, Like, you know, Bailey for a

603
00:35:57,559 --> 00:36:01,119
while was like, you know, I'm a hugger.

604
00:36:01,559 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 6: Yeah he had he has a way you see, a

605
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:16,199
powerful dealership. Yeah, okay, okay, so no, but with Bailey,

606
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:23,320
that character worked in the on X obviously wasn't the

607
00:36:24,159 --> 00:36:27,280
long term on the main roster. This is what I'm

608
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,920
seeing in Jack Perry. The whole jungle Boy character was

609
00:36:32,119 --> 00:36:37,400
just like for Drastic Express with Lucasaurus and Marcos Stunt.

610
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:43,159
Once you broke away from Drastic Express, I feel that

611
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:47,840
was essentially the same as Bailey turning heel and coming

612
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,880
out with the acts, but except Jack Perry as a

613
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:56,800
heel has been all over chaotic and I will live

614
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,239
for chaos.

615
00:36:59,199 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, well what comes to Jack Perry. You know where

616
00:37:01,519 --> 00:37:04,639
Jack Parry isn't going to be. That's in the sea too,

617
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,159
because they didn't put him in there. And there's been

618
00:37:07,159 --> 00:37:09,920
a couple of pretty interesting emissions into C two. Hang man,

619
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:16,840
Adam Page isn't in there? Why there's some interesting You

620
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:22,559
can't put everybody in there. I actually like the rosters here.

621
00:37:22,599 --> 00:37:25,559
We have the Blue League and the Gold League, and

622
00:37:25,639 --> 00:37:30,559
I'm interested to see right now because last year when

623
00:37:30,559 --> 00:37:33,440
they had the C two, every single one of us

624
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:39,400
correctly picked every one of us, I because they telegraphed

625
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,199
it so bad when they made it, you know, three

626
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:46,880
belts thing. But this year, I think we can all

627
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,800
agree they haven't telegraphed it. I think that it's up

628
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,440
in the air to sure there's there's some that seemed

629
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,840
like their favorites. I mean, I think a lot of

630
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,960
people are, you know, thinking that Kyle Fletcher and Will

631
00:38:00,039 --> 00:38:03,760
Osprey or at An on a collision course, uh to

632
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,199
face each other in the finals.

633
00:38:05,559 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 6: Something.

634
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: Don't think at Katta is gonna be there and he's

635
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:14,920
not going anywhere. But hey, who do you guys, well,

636
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:19,039
who do you guys think are going to win the

637
00:38:19,039 --> 00:38:21,599
Blue League and the Gold League? And if are there

638
00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:24,760
any omissions that really get your goat.

639
00:38:27,119 --> 00:38:34,039
Speaker 6: Okay, okay, got okay. I think we I think a

640
00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:37,880
good solid you know they picked for Blue, would be

641
00:38:38,039 --> 00:38:42,280
Shelton Benjamin because he's he's a vet of like a

642
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:46,599
billion years. He's with MVP, who's by far one of

643
00:38:46,599 --> 00:38:54,119
the greatest talkers we've seen ever. And and for or

644
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:59,159
for Gold, I think it's either a Claudio or will Aspray.

645
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 1: Okay, change you had something to say.

646
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,760
Speaker 2: Uh, I'm gonna I'm gonna predict this whole entire thing now,

647
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,320
all right. Uh, Fletcher's gonna Fletcher.

648
00:39:13,519 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: Uh.

649
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 2: Everyone else is tough. Look look at the lineup. The

650
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,679
Ricochet's working, Brodie King's working, Robert Juice Juicer is working,

651
00:39:21,159 --> 00:39:23,639
Claudio's got too much going on overseas, and if you

652
00:39:23,679 --> 00:39:25,599
look at the other side of the card, you know

653
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,599
Garcia's working, Brisco's definitely working. I love Shelton, brilliant, I'm

654
00:39:29,599 --> 00:39:31,639
glad to see him in a ring again. But he's working,

655
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,000
so is Beast Mortos. I think the only people that

656
00:39:34,039 --> 00:39:37,480
are important in this are Darby, will Uh, Catt, Fletcher,

657
00:39:37,559 --> 00:39:40,159
and Okada being that Okata Ho's the belt helds the belt,

658
00:39:40,159 --> 00:39:43,320
but there's so much heat behind will Ospray and Fletcher.

659
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:47,320
I think this goes to Ospray and Fletcher Ospray wins

660
00:39:47,679 --> 00:39:50,960
takes the takes the Continental, and then the rubber match

661
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,519
for them is that the is that the World is

662
00:39:54,559 --> 00:39:57,400
gonna be the pay per view, then the pay paper

663
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:58,000
be Voltling.

664
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,760
Speaker 1: Do you think it would better to put that on

665
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,239
the Russell Dynasty pay per view or do you think

666
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:04,440
it'll be at World's end?

667
00:40:05,519 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 6: Uh?

668
00:40:06,079 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, like the the final match is at

669
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,840
World's end, So I don't think it's gonna make it

670
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:11,719
a dynasty.

671
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:12,039
Speaker 6: Yeah.

672
00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:14,519
Speaker 2: I think they're they're going to keep the Continental on

673
00:40:14,599 --> 00:40:16,679
a e W programming And I think, you know, this

674
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,119
is a way to get the get a belt back

675
00:40:19,119 --> 00:40:22,480
on Osprey unless we forget you know, Will's Osprey said

676
00:40:22,519 --> 00:40:24,800
if he was going to carry an international championship in

677
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,280
any promotion, he's going to defend it everywhere. So if

678
00:40:27,639 --> 00:40:29,159
they put the Continental on him, it gives him an

679
00:40:29,199 --> 00:40:31,519
excuse to go back to Japan, go to c z N,

680
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,679
go to Triple A, kind of get weird with it.

681
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:42,400
So no one, no one from AW go to GCW

682
00:40:42,559 --> 00:40:45,599
anytime soon. We'll say that for Pope.

683
00:40:46,679 --> 00:40:49,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, but what do we think? I mean, anybody else

684
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,519
want to give their predictions?

685
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,119
Speaker 3: Sure, so here, here's the thing. Last year, it was

686
00:40:54,159 --> 00:40:57,440
so predictable because Eddie was the tempt he knew he

687
00:40:57,519 --> 00:41:00,599
was going to keep it this year and that you know,

688
00:41:00,679 --> 00:41:02,440
and you could say, well, they're not gonna take the

689
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,280
title off Okada, so he's gonna end up winning it,

690
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,119
but that's not necessarily true. I don't think that's gonna

691
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:12,760
happen this year. Blue. I've got Yeah, I'm gonna have

692
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,719
to say I either got Fletcher or Shelton and uh

693
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,119
in the in the gold you're looking man, this is

694
00:41:19,119 --> 00:41:23,079
so it's either gonna be Derby or Osprey. That's just

695
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,360
I mean, those that could be the final four. That

696
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:30,239
would be an amazing final four. But it's really not

697
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,159
as predictable this year as it was last year.

698
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,039
Speaker 5: Okay, see see for me.

699
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 4: I actually got the final being Okada and Claudio, and

700
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:48,679
that's where Claudio takes the title from Ocada. We did

701
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:54,440
that match on the Dynamite before all In for the

702
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:59,159
Continental Championship. I thought that was a solid match and

703
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,239
personally I think that should have been at all In,

704
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:09,679
but whatever, and I think it makes a lot of

705
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,760
sense for you have Moxley hold the world championship, you

706
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:17,400
have Claudio hold the Continental Championship.

707
00:42:18,079 --> 00:42:20,639
Speaker 5: It just gives the Death Riers more fuel.

708
00:42:23,519 --> 00:42:26,559
Speaker 1: All Right, anybody else with the Blue and Gold league

709
00:42:26,599 --> 00:42:29,280
pick for the C two before I give mine?

710
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:30,639
Speaker 7: Oh me, me me?

711
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,039
Speaker 1: So with the Blue.

712
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 7: Kyle, uh, of course, amazing and Gold. It's between will

713
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:48,719
Osprey or Ricochet, one of those two. And a big

714
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:52,079
disappointment is yeah, Jay not being j White not being

715
00:42:52,119 --> 00:42:55,079
in the C two. That kind of bummed me out.

716
00:42:57,079 --> 00:42:59,679
Speaker 1: Well, I guess I'll give up. And I have to

717
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,960
say right now at observation and that we had kind

718
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,679
of a diverse picks here, whereas last year it was okay,

719
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:08,960
well it's Eddie and we just got to figure out

720
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,719
who's going to be challenging him from the other league

721
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:13,800
that he's in. We all knew it was gonna be

722
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,719
Eddie last year. This year we got the first picks.

723
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:21,280
I think that we could possibly have another Eddie this year.

724
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:26,440
And let me explain Darby Allen. He's the one to

725
00:43:26,559 --> 00:43:31,239
me that looks like he could be the underdog. We've

726
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:36,239
got him on Dynamite facing brody King tomorrow night, and

727
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:41,519
if he loses this match to brody King tomorrow night,

728
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:47,559
if this isn't sound insane. If Darby loses to Brody,

729
00:43:48,079 --> 00:43:52,960
I have Darby winning the Gold League because that's the

730
00:43:53,079 --> 00:43:58,400
underdog making a huge comeback to win. Now I have

731
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,719
to kind of agree with Shane. You know, in my picks,

732
00:44:02,199 --> 00:44:05,039
you know, in the oddest picks, it would be Kyle

733
00:44:05,119 --> 00:44:09,079
Fletcher and Will Osprey winning the winning the Blue and

734
00:44:09,119 --> 00:44:16,280
Gold League respectively. That's just the way I look at it. Uh,

735
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,760
who do you we picked the winners of the Blue

736
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,000
and Gold League? Anybody want to come right out and

737
00:44:22,039 --> 00:44:24,280
say who's going to win the tournament?

738
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,519
Speaker 3: If it's Aspray and and and Fletcher, it's going to

739
00:44:30,559 --> 00:44:41,000
be Auspray. He can't lose to in a row, Shane.

740
00:44:39,519 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 2: It's Ospray straight up.

741
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:41,199
Speaker 1: Yeah.

742
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,320
Speaker 2: He's not gonna lose the Fletcher again, Yeah, I mean

743
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,199
like we'll see him off a te if we might

744
00:44:45,199 --> 00:44:47,400
get a promo or package from him on Wednesday, but

745
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,559
he's going to be recuperating and licking his wounds until

746
00:44:50,599 --> 00:44:53,880
World's end and only performing in his matches, so in

747
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,960
his kind of matches. So it's it's gonna be Asprey

748
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:57,320
all day.

749
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:03,280
Speaker 1: I got Claudia, got Audio, Okay, I got.

750
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 6: I got.

751
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: It?

752
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,039
Speaker 6: Would it would add more what's the word. It would

753
00:45:10,039 --> 00:45:14,519
add more fuel to the Hurt syndicate, and it would

754
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:18,800
honestly boost the Hurt syndicate more than they already needed

755
00:45:19,199 --> 00:45:22,239
because they already have all the momentum they would need.

756
00:45:24,079 --> 00:45:29,760
Speaker 2: Just Max Max Shelton is the middle guy in that faction.

757
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:31,719
If it were lash Lee in the C two, I

758
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,559
would I would have voted for Lashi. Lastly, straight up,

759
00:45:34,599 --> 00:45:35,800
I don't think Shelton's gonna make it.

760
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:43,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, quarters uh win it all.

761
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:52,760
Speaker 7: I would say, I'm just gonna go with someone Ricochet,

762
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:53,800
why not.

763
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:59,679
Speaker 1: Chet Hey, why not? Why not? Why not? I gotta

764
00:45:59,679 --> 00:46:03,239
tell you something right now. And this I got to

765
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:09,280
totally disagree with Max and Shane on this. For me,

766
00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:15,360
it doesn't matter if it was Shelton, Benjamin or Bobby Lashley.

767
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,320
I don't think either of them have a prayer of

768
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:21,880
winning this simply because not this year, simply because they're

769
00:46:22,039 --> 00:46:24,920
WWE guys, and there's no way Tony Kahan is gonna

770
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:28,519
put a belt out a WWE guy. Right after they

771
00:46:28,599 --> 00:46:35,599
arrived at this company, they both Bubbera saidis Mode is

772
00:46:35,599 --> 00:46:36,840
not a w w WEE guy.

773
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 3: The other thing about Shelton and I love Shelton to death.

774
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,639
He's not he's not. I mean, he's participated in New Japan,

775
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,039
he's been in other places, but when you look at

776
00:46:48,079 --> 00:46:50,639
who's in this, he doesn't be. He's not the first

777
00:46:50,679 --> 00:46:54,760
one that I would say would be a candidate to

778
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,960
go international, especially since he just got the aw.

779
00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 2: He also just turned fifty.

780
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,679
Speaker 3: I don't think Shelton, I don't think he has to

781
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:06,280
do with much.

782
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:09,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you, I have. That was a

783
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,519
shitty statement. I mean, he had like his matches, his

784
00:47:12,599 --> 00:47:15,199
matches are, dude. He he's got the heavy guy moves,

785
00:47:15,199 --> 00:47:17,039
but he could also throw a super kick like a

786
00:47:17,199 --> 00:47:18,519
like a middleweight like dude.

787
00:47:18,559 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: He looks great. I love him.

788
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 2: I wish they put him over Bobby, but that's not

789
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:23,079
gonna happen.

790
00:47:25,039 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: I don't understand here that I am not talking poorly

791
00:47:28,039 --> 00:47:31,519
about Shelton, Benjamin or Bobby. I think they're phenomenal. We're

792
00:47:31,519 --> 00:47:34,119
also the same thing as w W E guy. It's

793
00:47:34,159 --> 00:47:37,159
I just I just don't see Tony pull the trigger

794
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:37,599
like that.

795
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,760
Speaker 4: And I understand that, like the objective of the death

796
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:46,159
riers isn't to like hold all the gold in a

797
00:47:46,679 --> 00:47:51,840
w but there's just something about the idea of Moxley

798
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:57,119
holding the World championship and Claudio holding the Continental championship.

799
00:47:57,639 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 5: That just is super intriguing to me. There's just something

800
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:02,239
about it.

801
00:48:03,639 --> 00:48:08,760
Speaker 1: That stands for Yeah, well, Madio has been floundering a

802
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,639
little bit, but as I said earlier, he did just

803
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:16,000
absolutely destroy Darby Allen. Oh god, it was scary. That

804
00:48:16,199 --> 00:48:21,480
was not pretty hey, And for all we know, they're

805
00:48:21,519 --> 00:48:24,360
setting up a Darby versus Claudio the winner wins the

806
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,559
Gold League kind of thing. You never know. I want

807
00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:31,079
to move on to another tournament that's coming on. This

808
00:48:31,119 --> 00:48:34,960
one is really interesting to me. Basically, what you've got

809
00:48:35,199 --> 00:48:40,719
is the Women's International Cup, which culminates in a four

810
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:45,400
way match with one woman from ae W, one woman

811
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,840
from Ring of Honor, one woman from Stardom, and one

812
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:54,239
woman from CMLL, all meeting at Russell Dynasty on January fifth.

813
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:59,360
The winner of that match gets to gets an automatic

814
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:07,079
championship match against a champion in any of the four

815
00:49:08,639 --> 00:49:11,920
promotions to that's never been double before as far as

816
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:18,039
I know, and especially not in a major major promotions.

817
00:49:18,679 --> 00:49:22,280
This is really fun out We know the four qualifiers

818
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:26,440
already for CMLL. We know the four qualifiers are ready

819
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,440
from Ring of Honor. We do not know the four

820
00:49:29,519 --> 00:49:35,119
qualifiers from stardom or the four qualifiers from a W.

821
00:49:35,119 --> 00:49:37,840
Which four women do you think first of all would

822
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,639
be what I mean, they'll have four women in a

823
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:44,320
qualifying the four way qualifying match for a W and

824
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,599
the winner of that match will then go to Russell

825
00:49:47,679 --> 00:49:51,960
Dynasty representing AW in that in their four way match. Okay,

826
00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:55,880
so we need to figure out who's going to be

827
00:49:56,159 --> 00:50:01,000
the four from a W of Honor. By the way,

828
00:50:01,039 --> 00:50:06,320
it's Red Velvet, Billy Starks, Athena, and Layla Hirsh.

829
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,519
Speaker 3: I'm a little confused with that. Why are you putting

830
00:50:09,519 --> 00:50:13,639
Athena in that match? I mean, you know she's not

831
00:50:13,639 --> 00:50:17,119
gonna win it. It's kind of weird that they put

832
00:50:17,159 --> 00:50:19,400
her in there instead of somebody else that they could have,

833
00:50:19,559 --> 00:50:21,639
like Queen Queen on Them Nolina could have been in

834
00:50:21,679 --> 00:50:25,559
that because you know she can't take the loss, because

835
00:50:25,559 --> 00:50:27,800
then that says your champion is not that good or

836
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,440
she couldn't handle that match. So it's kind of odd

837
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:31,679
that they put her in that to me.

838
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 1: But I don't think that having the champion lose against

839
00:50:37,519 --> 00:50:42,639
four other women or three other women necessarily will erase

840
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:46,960
eradicate a Theta's incredible run and ring of honor. I

841
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:54,920
disagree with you there, yeah anybody. I mean, so we

842
00:50:55,079 --> 00:50:57,960
talked to you. You didn't answer the question though, sudden.

843
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 3: So I have no clue who would be in from

844
00:51:04,039 --> 00:51:06,440
Stardom because I don't watch Stardom, so I don't know

845
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,719
who they are in ae W Willow.

846
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: Man.

847
00:51:12,039 --> 00:51:14,679
Speaker 3: If if Julia was back, I would put Willow Julia.

848
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 1: Uh probably, Well, Julia's back so well yeah.

849
00:51:22,199 --> 00:51:24,679
Speaker 3: But she hasn't been on any matches yet, so I'm

850
00:51:24,679 --> 00:51:26,599
saying if she was back in the ring, she would

851
00:51:26,639 --> 00:51:32,079
be my second pick stat Lander and probably the fourth one. Man,

852
00:51:32,079 --> 00:51:33,800
There's just so many people you could put in it.

853
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:38,360
Cheetah could go in there. Uh, there's just so many

854
00:51:38,559 --> 00:51:41,239
you could actually have Tony come back and be the

855
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:41,920
fourth person.

856
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 1: That's true too.

857
00:51:44,159 --> 00:51:47,679
Speaker 3: I mean there's there's there's such a wide open I

858
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,239
don't want to put the champions in there. That is

859
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,280
to me, putting champions in the tournament like this just

860
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:56,960
don't make any sense, you know, like you know, it

861
00:51:57,039 --> 00:52:02,360
just doesn't make any sense to put Mercedes and Mariah

862
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,199
in there. You could put you could put in you

863
00:52:05,199 --> 00:52:09,599
could put in Mira Ermina, you know, so there's that.

864
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:11,920
This is just so hard after the first three, but

865
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:18,840
you definitely need stat and Willow, and I'm saying Julia

866
00:52:20,039 --> 00:52:21,400
and the fourth one is up in the air.

867
00:52:22,039 --> 00:52:23,039
Speaker 1: Ohbody else?

868
00:52:24,519 --> 00:52:25,079
Speaker 5: Yeah, I do.

869
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,559
Speaker 4: I agree with Ston. I agree with you about Willow

870
00:52:28,599 --> 00:52:33,079
and Scat. I'm gonna from three and four. I'll go

871
00:52:33,119 --> 00:52:38,199
with Jamie Hayter. And my wild card actually would be

872
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,320
Anna j Yeah.

873
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, that's that's for anybody else.

874
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, Okay, my picks, yeah, Ana j Jamie Hater, Uh.

875
00:52:52,760 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 1: Who's that? Yeah? Okay, And I don't know.

876
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 7: I have no idea Nyla Rose or something like that.

877
00:53:06,639 --> 00:53:10,559
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, glad somebody picked Nyla Max. Did you have

878
00:53:10,599 --> 00:53:11,400
any picks?

879
00:53:11,679 --> 00:53:17,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's gonna be Chris stall Lander. So

880
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:22,960
we've got Stlander, Willow, joya Heart, and No, that one.

881
00:53:23,039 --> 00:53:26,400
It's a toss up, But again, so could joya Heart

882
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:30,280
be a toss up? So it's definitely Willow Statlander.

883
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 2: No.

884
00:53:31,159 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 6: I think they somehow find a way to thought Tony

885
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:39,480
Storm in there along with it. Could be anyway, It

886
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:43,880
could be Anna Jan, it could be Jamie Hayter, Gina Fo,

887
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,039
I'm just saying. I'm just saying that there's so many

888
00:53:49,079 --> 00:53:53,800
women that they in there, That's what I'm rattling off.

889
00:53:54,159 --> 00:53:56,280
A bunch of the names out I know could slot

890
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,920
into that and have a really good notch. But personally,

891
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,400
for like a settin Stone nine up, it's got to

892
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:07,920
be stell Lander, Willow, Cheta, and Hater.

893
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,559
Speaker 1: Okay, how about you go ahead?

894
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,760
Speaker 2: Uh An a j uh Willow and Stat for sure?

895
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:17,559
I mean a Willow and Stat makes sense because it

896
00:54:17,599 --> 00:54:20,280
gives that you know, we just talked earlier about the

897
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:23,280
potential for them reuniting. That would definitely be a gateway

898
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,920
to that being. I mean, depending how it plays out.

899
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:30,679
But if they put Tony Storm in this contest, it

900
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:35,559
automatically gives her her revenge at Mariah May, which if

901
00:54:35,559 --> 00:54:37,840
that were to be the endgame, it'd be sad that

902
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:39,639
they'd put over an aw person. I actually want to

903
00:54:39,679 --> 00:54:42,840
see someone from Stardom go over in this competition. But

904
00:54:43,159 --> 00:54:48,440
I got Stat and a j Willow and Tony Storm.

905
00:54:48,639 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. So before I get to my picks, I want

906
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:55,679
to ask you guys, based on your picks, who wins.

907
00:54:56,239 --> 00:55:01,159
Who's your pick to go to Russell Dynasty represent a

908
00:55:01,559 --> 00:55:09,039
W in this Women's International Cup based on your picks. Statlander,

909
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:15,880
stat Lander, stat Lander for Max, what about you, Steve

910
00:55:18,199 --> 00:55:21,480
Chetah okay, and uh so.

911
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 3: It depends if Tony's in it. I'm thinking they'll probably

912
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:30,079
put But if she's not, it's Statlander this one.

913
00:55:31,639 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 1: Okay, so you go with Tony Tony, but stat Lander, okay.

914
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:41,559
Shane picked one. Karen Jarrett.

915
00:55:41,679 --> 00:55:51,039
Speaker 2: Karen Jarrett's going over. It's gonna be It's not gonna

916
00:55:51,039 --> 00:55:53,039
be Taya. It's not gonna be Sorea. It's not gonna

917
00:55:53,039 --> 00:55:54,800
be Rebel who's still for some odd reason on the

918
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,920
a W women's roster. It's not gonna be Leila Gray.

919
00:55:58,159 --> 00:55:59,480
It's gonna it's gonna be Tony.

920
00:56:01,519 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. I my picks for the four, I have to say,

921
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:12,079
I want to see somebody that will actually be able

922
00:56:12,159 --> 00:56:14,800
to go to maybe stardom and have a feud after

923
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:19,239
this something, you know, set something up afterwards, maybe something

924
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,920
happens in this match, you know, or there's some kind

925
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:25,800
of feud going on. But my four would be I

926
00:56:26,119 --> 00:56:28,159
would have to go with Julia Hart, I would have

927
00:56:28,199 --> 00:56:31,280
to go to krit with Chris Statlander. I am not

928
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:36,159
picking Willow I am not picking Mercedes. I am not

929
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,440
picking Tony's storm. And the reason I'm not doing and

930
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,440
I'm not picking Maria May. I'm not doing that because

931
00:56:43,199 --> 00:56:45,519
I don't want to see somebody who's already been over

932
00:56:45,559 --> 00:56:49,599
there or has a belt right now in this. I

933
00:56:49,639 --> 00:56:55,119
am gonna pick Shamie Hater and just to piss Sutton off,

934
00:56:55,119 --> 00:56:56,719
I'm gonna pick Britt Baker.

935
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 3: Why are you gonna waste the spot like that? Man? Seriously?

936
00:57:00,199 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 1: Well, but anyway, I'm gonna be honest with you here.

937
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:12,000
I'm gonna have Julia Hart win it. And the only

938
00:57:12,119 --> 00:57:15,400
reason that I'm gonna have her win it is because

939
00:57:16,639 --> 00:57:19,239
and Shane could probably back back me up on this,

940
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:25,039
because Shane, you watch stardom, correct, sure? Do Can you

941
00:57:25,079 --> 00:57:29,599
think of any other a w woman whose total presentation

942
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:34,320
is more stardom ready than Julia Hart an A.

943
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 2: J Yeah, but she was there already, yeah Hart, straight up,

944
00:57:39,519 --> 00:57:39,960
Julie Hart.

945
00:57:40,239 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's the only reason I think that

946
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:46,800
Julia Hart goes there. She doesn't win this by any means,

947
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:51,119
shape or form. I want to Shane. I mean, you

948
00:57:51,159 --> 00:57:53,800
and I are gonna probably have this conversation privately. I

949
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,880
don't know if anybody else even watches the other other.

950
00:57:58,400 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 2: Watch all four.

951
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 1: I think that whoever started puts out there. As long

952
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:08,079
as Mayo Iwatani is in the picture, she's gonna win it.

953
00:58:08,159 --> 00:58:12,519
She's gonna be the representative representative from stardom. Watani has

954
00:58:12,559 --> 00:58:16,000
said that she wants to come to a W and

955
00:58:16,199 --> 00:58:22,280
wrestle Mercedes Bonet for the TBS Championship. Uh. And she

956
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:24,840
wants to wrestle in a W. What better way to

957
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:28,360
get a shot at Mercedes Bonet in a W than

958
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:33,320
Mayu Watani winning on January fifth, and that's who she

959
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:35,159
goes after in AW.

960
00:58:36,159 --> 00:58:38,159
Speaker 6: I just want to I just want to for out

961
00:58:38,239 --> 00:58:42,639
a name just to get to Coggs turn, especially since

962
00:58:42,639 --> 00:58:46,360
you said the possibility of jumping over to stardom, what

963
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:48,039
about Harley Cameron?

964
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: No, no, Uh, here's the thing. And again, Shane, you

965
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:59,440
can back me up on this, I believe uh. And

966
00:58:59,519 --> 00:59:04,000
here's the reason behind that as far as I'm concerned.

967
00:59:04,559 --> 00:59:07,760
And again, Shane, you may disagree with me. Mina Shira

968
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:11,840
Kala is over in the United States, She's really not

969
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:15,039
that over in Japan. She's a big time mid carter.

970
00:59:15,199 --> 00:59:20,719
The reason why is she's just not cultural culturally, you know,

971
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:27,280
popular there. I mean, she's more like she's just too sexy.

972
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:28,320
She's over the top.

973
00:59:28,599 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 2: She cares to she caters to the Western culture. May

974
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:36,880
Aahani is is a weeves wet dream and she's fantastic

975
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,920
and she's holding but she's already holding gold, dude like

976
00:59:40,079 --> 00:59:42,119
like that. That's my only thing, Like I could see

977
00:59:42,119 --> 00:59:44,679
it happening. Yes, you know, the title.

978
00:59:46,039 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 1: Can make it interesting.

979
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, why are you going to put a for title

980
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:51,719
when you've already got manet with three two titles already?

981
00:59:52,039 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 2: Belt collecting collector, Yeah, multi promotional belt collecting is still

982
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:57,679
a thing.

983
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 1: But but anyway, the only thing I could say. I

984
01:00:04,159 --> 01:00:06,719
thought that Ada j would be a little bit too

985
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:11,960
sexy for Japan. But she carried herself as a wrestler

986
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:16,239
and not as a sex object. Harley Cameron is is

987
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:23,599
a sex objects herself as a wrestler. She she would

988
01:00:23,639 --> 01:00:25,679
not go over. I don't think in Japan she would.

989
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:29,360
She would make people uncomfortable, much uncomfortable, much like Mina

990
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:33,000
Shirikawa does. They love her in Japan, they won't admit it.

991
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:36,599
Speaker 2: In the shows, she has a split audience. She does

992
01:00:37,599 --> 01:00:40,039
a lot I mean, she has a lot of haters,

993
01:00:40,039 --> 01:00:41,440
but she has a lot of lovers too. I mean,

994
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:45,840
like she's never she'll be full time agent. Contracts runs

995
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:47,599
out as soon as she hits a free agency.

996
01:00:48,639 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, if she was healthy, I would I would say

997
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,639
sky Blue should be including the conversation.

998
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 5: But she's not healthy.

999
01:00:58,119 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 1: Sky Blue would be perfect simply because she could go

1000
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:07,320
to Japan and start them and she's their signs. I

1001
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:11,679
don't mean that with Julia. Not the same with Julia.

1002
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:14,079
Julia is one of the taller women in a W

1003
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:23,000
Julia Julius five seven Really yeah, Julius five seven weighs

1004
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:25,360
one hundred and sixty five pounds or something like that.

1005
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:32,159
She's yeah what go back and watch the Chris Statlander

1006
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:36,920
Julia Hart match. They're they're not that far apart. Julia

1007
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:40,719
is much taller than than she She just seems I

1008
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:42,639
think she has a baby face, and I think that

1009
01:01:42,719 --> 01:01:44,920
kind of sets people off. But Julia is not a

1010
01:01:45,079 --> 01:01:46,039
not a tiny person.

1011
01:01:46,559 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 3: I think they should decide to a W one with Dave.

1012
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:51,440
Women's over the top.

1013
01:01:54,239 --> 01:01:58,639
Speaker 1: It's it's it's a it's a four. I know, but yeah,

1014
01:01:58,679 --> 01:02:00,480
I agree with you. I even mentioned that, you know,

1015
01:02:00,559 --> 01:02:06,320
Casino Battle Royal. There you go, but it's four you know, uh.

1016
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:09,639
Speaker 3: Four by that you know, have it like the next couple,

1017
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:11,719
like a couple of weeks from now on, because this

1018
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:18,760
isn't gonna probably happen until world's end. Yeah, so you

1019
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:23,239
could do a women's uh casino battle royale to just

1020
01:02:23,599 --> 01:02:26,199
decide the four last four opponents are the ones that

1021
01:02:26,239 --> 01:02:27,880
are in. That would be amazing.

1022
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:32,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, yo, you know Kelson, if you were to guess

1023
01:02:32,639 --> 01:02:36,039
four first stardom right now, would it be Starlight Kid?

1024
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:37,079
Speaker 1: Want to?

1025
01:02:37,119 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 2: I be uh hold on, I couldn't think I could.

1026
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:46,559
Speaker 1: I would definitely starlight Kid Startlight Kid would be one

1027
01:02:46,559 --> 01:02:46,840
of mine.

1028
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:51,119
Speaker 2: Would be see what Tommy would be? One tom a

1029
01:02:51,199 --> 01:02:54,840
Tommy would be would be a possibility? Is is you?

1030
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,920
Is Yamashida still start up or just kind of like.

1031
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 1: The j p W.

1032
01:03:01,199 --> 01:03:02,199
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1033
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:09,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would go Starlight Kidwatani uh for And the

1034
01:03:09,079 --> 01:03:11,320
only reason I picked MAT's a boy is because I'm

1035
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:15,559
gonna marry her when I grow up. I want I

1036
01:03:15,599 --> 01:03:18,559
want in my life. I want to, I want to.

1037
01:03:19,199 --> 01:03:21,480
I want her on in a W I want her

1038
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:23,400
on reruns of Friends, I want her on the Big

1039
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:29,199
Bang Theory. I just I've been loved and frankly, and

1040
01:03:29,239 --> 01:03:33,559
I'm gonna base this on something that Kenny Omega said, Uh,

1041
01:03:33,599 --> 01:03:37,840
and I love her too as I knew. Uh. Kenny

1042
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:42,360
Omega just said in an interview earlier this year that

1043
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:45,679
of all the stardom wrestlers, he thinks that he thinks

1044
01:03:45,679 --> 01:03:48,480
that a w fans would just absolutely fall in love

1045
01:03:48,519 --> 01:03:51,840
with it with Saw And I can see why because

1046
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:56,960
her character is just so awesome. Her character is basically

1047
01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:02,039
a stone wall. She's like the phoebia undertake her. Everybody

1048
01:04:02,079 --> 01:04:05,280
tries to make her laugh, and frankly, a lot of

1049
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:08,480
them were very successful in doing so. But she tries

1050
01:04:08,519 --> 01:04:11,079
her hard. It's not the break character and just never

1051
01:04:11,199 --> 01:04:15,000
smile and it's it's amazing. And the thing about Siria

1052
01:04:15,119 --> 01:04:19,320
do is that she's only like five foot three, but

1053
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:23,280
when she comes out to the ring, her presence makes

1054
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:26,320
her look five to ten. You know, I don't know

1055
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:29,000
how she wrestles bigger than she is. But she's this

1056
01:04:29,119 --> 01:04:29,920
tiny little thing.

1057
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:35,920
Speaker 2: Not Tam not Tam Nakano, like you don't think like.

1058
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 1: I think Takano is his daughter. Thing already I want

1059
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:39,400
to see somebody different.

1060
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that but that would definitely be a

1061
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:44,760
front runner. No, no one from fucking hate Like excuse

1062
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:47,199
me my language. Uh, Like I told Doug MoMA wants

1063
01:04:47,199 --> 01:04:48,320
a Nabi would be perfect.

1064
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:52,519
Speaker 1: Like if I had somebody from hate, it would be tackling.

1065
01:04:53,119 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 2: Of course it would. Okay, we can. Let let's get

1066
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:56,480
back on it because.

1067
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:59,599
Speaker 1: I'm already because I already said that's the point. If

1068
01:04:59,639 --> 01:05:02,119
you have the way, you gonna have that there mortal enemies.

1069
01:05:02,519 --> 01:05:03,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.

1070
01:05:05,039 --> 01:05:06,519
Speaker 1: Hum hm hm.

1071
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 2: So we have to we now we have to have

1072
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:09,840
a stardom podcast.

1073
01:05:11,079 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 1: Oh I could do a start a podcast, man, that's yeah,

1074
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:19,880
I love me some startup. I always say, we paid.

1075
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:22,639
We made polls. I think I've shared this before. He

1076
01:05:22,679 --> 01:05:25,639
made polls a Greatness of Wrestling. We made polls at

1077
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:32,880
a w saying which company has the best women's division, Well,

1078
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:37,559
the greatest wrestling they picked w W E. At aw

1079
01:05:37,719 --> 01:05:43,599
fan Hub they picked a W with great with w

1080
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:46,280
w E b second, and the Greatest of Wrestling a

1081
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:49,519
W was second. And I'm sorry, but if you like

1082
01:05:49,599 --> 01:05:54,599
women's wrestling and you watch stardom once, you're not gonna

1083
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:58,199
like a W.

1084
01:05:59,559 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 2: It's a him in centric promotion, of course, and it's

1085
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:05,519
surrounded by people who predominantly have booked women for most

1086
01:06:05,559 --> 01:06:09,800
of their career. Understand that leg of you know, professional wrestling,

1087
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:11,639
and they're putting up the best people both.

1088
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:14,159
Speaker 1: Both they're so damn good though.

1089
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:18,639
Speaker 2: But both the Kaijus and the Japanese nationals like that.

1090
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:22,400
I mean, like some of the best wrestler like Mariah May,

1091
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:26,440
Miriam May was great in stardom, dude, like like like

1092
01:06:26,519 --> 01:06:29,840
they they churn out rock stars, it's a thing, dude, Like.

1093
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:33,679
Speaker 1: I really think the start of Prepared to Storm to

1094
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:37,559
be timeless Tony Storm, I agree that she's great. She

1095
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:44,039
had to she had to emulate, you know, or not emulate.

1096
01:06:44,159 --> 01:06:46,920
She had to project the character without being able to

1097
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:50,039
speak the language. Well, I think that's what you did.

1098
01:06:50,519 --> 01:06:53,400
Speaker 2: I think you and uh. I think you and Tony

1099
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:55,719
Kahan both the same to share the same affinity for

1100
01:06:55,800 --> 01:07:00,840
Jochi wrestling. So but I mean, like employed employing Emmy

1101
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:04,880
Sakura as a as a women's trainer, both for the

1102
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:07,840
standard locker room and the Joshi's is like genius.

1103
01:07:08,159 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, come on, I I just think it's

1104
01:07:13,239 --> 01:07:17,400
I would I would actually love to see Shida go

1105
01:07:17,679 --> 01:07:20,960
win win this and go to that match and and

1106
01:07:21,119 --> 01:07:24,280
just perform in Japan and see the I just want

1107
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:26,719
I would love to see that. I would love to

1108
01:07:26,719 --> 01:07:28,960
see Shida and Mayu Wa Watani in the ring at

1109
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:31,760
the same time, even if it's in a four way

1110
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:33,280
I really would. Well.

1111
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:36,039
Speaker 2: I think that they're going to loop stardom into Forbidden

1112
01:07:36,039 --> 01:07:38,440
Door this year, so I mean we did. I think

1113
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:40,840
we'll get started New Japan and I mean, and you

1114
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:42,280
guys are welcome to chime in on this. I think

1115
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:44,880
we're gonna get started New Japan and CMLLL this year.

1116
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:48,360
I think that Homicide's grip over Triple A is loosening,

1117
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:52,360
so we could see some you know changes.

1118
01:07:53,039 --> 01:07:55,159
Speaker 3: The Triple A thing has more to do with them

1119
01:07:55,199 --> 01:07:57,320
being affiliated with eight WW, doesn't it.

1120
01:07:58,119 --> 01:08:00,199
Speaker 1: Please don't give you a reasonal watch for it in

1121
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:00,800
Door again?

1122
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:04,239
Speaker 2: No? No, no, I mean yes, yes to some degree,

1123
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:07,199
because homicide is a t N a w W guy,

1124
01:08:07,239 --> 01:08:09,800
I'm sure that has a factor and TN and and

1125
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:13,239
homicide specifically is a very staunch and stark, you know,

1126
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:16,640
the hater of ae W. For some he's he's Bischoff.

1127
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:20,720
He's he's you know, how do I Spanish Bischoff? I'm

1128
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:24,960
trying to say it with this, so like I like, like,

1129
01:08:25,239 --> 01:08:26,880
you fail one company and what are you gonna do?

1130
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:28,920
Hijack another one? Get the hell out of here. You know,

1131
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:33,039
at least Bischoff stays in his lane on podcasts, on podcasts,

1132
01:08:33,119 --> 01:08:37,640
not involving himself with the business anymore, because I'm not true.

1133
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:40,079
Speaker 4: He made his return to m x T the n

1134
01:08:40,239 --> 01:08:42,359
and he's gonna be back on TV next week.

1135
01:08:43,039 --> 01:08:44,079
Speaker 2: Oh, Eric Bischoff.

1136
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:48,039
Speaker 4: Yes, Well, it's a good thing that he's good.

1137
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:52,840
Speaker 2: It's a death note, it's a death.

1138
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:56,039
Speaker 6: Match come back.

1139
01:08:56,640 --> 01:09:00,359
Speaker 1: Well, god, you know one thing, One thing I will say.

1140
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:02,920
There have been a lot of discussion on the aw

1141
01:09:03,079 --> 01:09:05,479
fan ups. I've read it about and I know shanees

1142
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:07,880
a Vibe is a proponent of this having a show

1143
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:12,960
dedicated to women only. Now, I don't believe a weekly

1144
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:15,359
show would work with women only, to be honest with you,

1145
01:09:15,399 --> 01:09:17,640
because that would prevent them from being on the main show.

1146
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:20,600
Hey we've got them on this one hour show. You know,

1147
01:09:21,039 --> 01:09:23,199
because you know that's what he said, what was being

1148
01:09:23,239 --> 01:09:24,800
said to the it would be a one hour women's

1149
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:28,319
only show. Then they're not gonna be on Dynamite Collisions.

1150
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:31,279
That doesn't that doesn't work for me. But if they

1151
01:09:31,319 --> 01:09:34,760
did a special, like a Battle of the Belts type

1152
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:38,600
style thing where it had CMML and stardom on that special,

1153
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:40,640
I sure as hell lot.

1154
01:09:41,199 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 6: So something like so something like WWE's Evolution show like

1155
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:49,319
a billion years ago when you had all the females.

1156
01:09:51,199 --> 01:09:55,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, but not to AW but CMLL and start them

1157
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:58,520
in there as well as well as you can bring

1158
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:02,199
t JPW in if want, you know, chiple A if

1159
01:10:02,239 --> 01:10:02,520
they have.

1160
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:05,600
Speaker 6: Women, And I know that, but I'm just saying like,

1161
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:08,840
like pretty much just the same premises of it's an

1162
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:13,800
all women's show and they're gonna have title matches and

1163
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:15,840
a bunch of froids.

1164
01:10:16,399 --> 01:10:19,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, special maybe like a quarterly special or something like that.

1165
01:10:20,279 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 6: You mean, I was thinking europe Max.

1166
01:10:24,119 --> 01:10:29,119
Speaker 4: You mean like when WWE did that one time premium

1167
01:10:29,159 --> 01:10:29,760
live event.

1168
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 9: I think it was called Evolution Evolution back in twenty

1169
01:10:34,319 --> 01:10:38,119
back in twenty eighteen, I remember because Ronda Rouse was

1170
01:10:39,359 --> 01:10:43,239
and they had freaking Lizzie Hal and Nita Stress Open

1171
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:44,479
was playing the song.

1172
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 6: I remember that much.

1173
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:49,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I want to I want to move on

1174
01:10:50,399 --> 01:10:52,600
because we're gonna talk about one more topic and then

1175
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:54,920
we're gonna do our pot pirie. Uh. The topic that

1176
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:56,760
I want to bring up is flight for the following

1177
01:10:56,800 --> 01:11:00,119
has been announced for January first, twenty twenty five, and

1178
01:11:00,119 --> 01:11:03,439
that will be simulcasts, I mean, the first of many

1179
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:10,039
simulcast on Max. Now, one thing that I do want

1180
01:11:10,079 --> 01:11:12,399
to point out to our listeners and to our panel here,

1181
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:15,600
if you do not have Max, they're running a special

1182
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:19,680
from now until December second where you can get MAX

1183
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:23,479
for six months at two ninety nine a month. So

1184
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:27,720
if you don't have Max, get off this podcast what

1185
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:30,439
we're done and go order MAX. You'll get it for

1186
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:33,960
six months for two ninety nine a month. So you

1187
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:38,840
can get it for basically for six months for three

1188
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:42,279
dollars what's at eighteen bucks under twenty bucks for six months.

1189
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:45,560
That's a that's a damn good deal. Now that is

1190
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:49,319
not the version. That is the version with ads. So

1191
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:51,399
but the ads are really I mean, if you're watching

1192
01:11:51,399 --> 01:11:54,760
a movie on Max, you get it like two or

1193
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:56,720
three minutes worth of ads, like in the middle of

1194
01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:58,600
the movie, which is good because you can go to

1195
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:01,520
the bathroom or something, you know, So it's not that big.

1196
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:05,520
It's not like a hindurance. So that's a great deal.

1197
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:10,000
So who's going to be watching on Max and not

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01:12:10,119 --> 01:12:10,840
on TBS.

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Speaker 2: Now, Uh, let me let me tell you something, Kelson.

1200
01:12:15,039 --> 01:12:19,199
I unfortunately, I'm unfortunately one of those guys that subscribes

1201
01:12:19,279 --> 01:12:22,359
to Hulu plus with with a lot who live with

1202
01:12:22,439 --> 01:12:25,920
ads without ads, and it has ads, which drives me crazy.

1203
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:28,640
But I literally do it for NFL and for AW

1204
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:33,479
and to have the NFL potentially on Netflix, which I

1205
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:36,479
also pay for, and AW on Max, which I also

1206
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:39,079
pay for, saves me seventy dollars a month to just

1207
01:12:39,159 --> 01:12:42,439
cancel who live and say kick bricks I'm pumped and

1208
01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:43,760
their live sign account.

1209
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:46,560
Speaker 1: I do have a post on the aw fant hub

1210
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:50,520
subreddit chain and about this, you know, the two ninety

1211
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:52,399
nine a month. Go look it up, because I do

1212
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:58,159
believe it says that it is also available for current subscribers.

1213
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:00,399
Speaker 2: Hey, by the way, I'm like it. If I were

1214
01:13:00,399 --> 01:13:03,079
to screen share with you right now my other monitor,

1215
01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:06,560
I'm literally reordering Max right now.

1216
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:12,680
Speaker 1: It's hey, you can't be of course, it goes up

1217
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:14,960
to seven hundred and forty three dollars after the first

1218
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:24,119
six months. Roes. Oh god, it's very reasonable. Yeah, so

1219
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:27,880
at least you'll be able to obviously doesn't start streaming

1220
01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:33,520
on Max for another month, but you'll definitely get five

1221
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:36,600
five months of Max for what fifteen dollars.

1222
01:13:37,239 --> 01:13:40,239
Speaker 3: There's a lot of shox, they really do.

1223
01:13:40,279 --> 01:13:42,760
Speaker 1: They have a lot of stuff on Max, including football

1224
01:13:43,119 --> 01:13:46,880
if I'm not mistaken. So so there you go. Uh

1225
01:13:48,319 --> 01:13:51,039
who else is anybody else gonna be watching AW on

1226
01:13:51,159 --> 01:13:54,039
Max and not on TBS and TNT. Me.

1227
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:57,159
Speaker 3: I don't have cable, so I don't watch, And like

1228
01:13:57,199 --> 01:13:58,960
I said, I have to go watch the other friend's

1229
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:02,279
houses to watch it on there to do that because

1230
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:05,479
I just pay for Internet. But that'll still be cheaper

1231
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:07,239
than even if Pool Praiser. It will be cheaper than

1232
01:14:07,239 --> 01:14:08,239
what my cable bill was.

1233
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:14,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, right by Sea Boss, Probably we'll start watching on

1234
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:16,640
Max so he doesn't have to come over to my

1235
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:19,199
place every Wednesday to watch Dynamite.

1236
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:21,720
Speaker 5: As for me, I don't know.

1237
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:26,039
Speaker 1: I didn't watch it on Max the first night just

1238
01:14:26,079 --> 01:14:28,640
to see if it's better. I mean, it would be

1239
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:33,199
cool if if the commercial breaks are different than it

1240
01:14:33,279 --> 01:14:38,039
is on TBS. I I'd like to see not picture

1241
01:14:38,039 --> 01:14:40,439
and picture for maybe if they just did it the

1242
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:42,760
middle of the show, you know what I mean. I

1243
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:48,000
don't know. We'll see. So let's move on to our

1244
01:14:48,119 --> 01:14:51,359
pot Pourri segment, and the pot prise segment is where

1245
01:14:51,399 --> 01:14:54,439
you could bring up a topic about anything in AEW

1246
01:14:55,000 --> 01:15:00,520
and we'll discuss it. Who wants to go first? Y, Well,

1247
01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:03,720
I know what you're going to talk about?

1248
01:15:04,279 --> 01:15:11,359
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, no, I mean day you know where I'm

1249
01:15:11,399 --> 01:15:12,079
going with this.

1250
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:16,520
Speaker 4: I don't know how to feel about all this Ricky

1251
01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:20,039
Starks news. Whether I should be because he's been pulled

1252
01:15:20,079 --> 01:15:23,840
from all of his g c W dates.

1253
01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:28,600
Speaker 5: Because of a W stuff. I don't know how to.

1254
01:15:30,079 --> 01:15:34,479
Speaker 1: He it's nothing. The latest is is that Ricky Starks

1255
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:38,239
was pulled from g c W dates because of something

1256
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:42,920
that Fie, a wrestler for a for g c W,

1257
01:15:43,319 --> 01:15:47,800
said something that Fie said on a podcast about Shod

1258
01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:51,399
Khan uh. Tony Con did not like that and he's

1259
01:15:51,399 --> 01:15:57,680
prohibited Ricky Starks from participating in gc W. However he

1260
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:02,560
did what was this is what was reported. Ricky Starks

1261
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:08,439
is able to take any other in the wrestling. It

1262
01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:11,560
has so. In other words, wallins, it has nothing to

1263
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:14,279
do with Ricky Starks. It has everything to do with

1264
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:19,239
the wrestler at GCW who disrespected shot.

1265
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:27,039
Speaker 4: Con understood which isn't tag been annoying because I kind

1266
01:16:27,039 --> 01:16:31,680
of wanted to see Matt Cardona and Ricky Starks have

1267
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:32,640
that match.

1268
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:35,079
Speaker 5: It seemed like it would have been good.

1269
01:16:37,119 --> 01:16:39,239
Speaker 4: And now it looks like we're not GA gay because

1270
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:43,079
it seems like Cardona is appearing in AW was a

1271
01:16:43,119 --> 01:16:46,760
one off and Tony Kahan doesn't want to use Ricky

1272
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:52,239
Starks for whatever reason, is assigned to GCW or did

1273
01:16:52,319 --> 01:16:53,680
they able to have side wrestlers.

1274
01:16:54,359 --> 01:16:56,520
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know enough about GCW.

1275
01:16:56,840 --> 01:17:04,800
Speaker 2: GCW has their own roster. They're kind of like on it. Yeah, yeah,

1276
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:08,439
Cardona is on it. They're a landing well. But GCW

1277
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:11,119
contracts give a lot more freedom to work indies. That's

1278
01:17:11,199 --> 01:17:13,800
kind of like the did stick with most indie contracts.

1279
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:19,319
But you know, uh, I don't want to efie. The

1280
01:17:19,359 --> 01:17:22,159
wrestler in question has a known history of being a

1281
01:17:22,199 --> 01:17:24,920
shit talker and ruining things for other people. And I

1282
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:28,039
think he's fantastic. I love him, love love his platform,

1283
01:17:28,159 --> 01:17:30,640
love what he uses his platform for. I just sometimes

1284
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:32,199
he could get a little off the coff and say

1285
01:17:32,239 --> 01:17:32,880
things that are not.

1286
01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:34,720
Speaker 1: Real.

1287
01:17:35,119 --> 01:17:37,399
Speaker 2: But I think to punish Ricky for that is. You know,

1288
01:17:38,279 --> 01:17:41,000
if if that's something Ricky wanted to do. You know,

1289
01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:43,239
I think they should have still allowed him to have

1290
01:17:43,279 --> 01:17:46,680
that opportunity. I mean, Tony Kahn wants to maintain a

1291
01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:48,680
good working relationship with the Indies if he wants to

1292
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:52,199
continue to draft some of their more you know, successful talent.

1293
01:17:52,319 --> 01:17:54,279
And then blood Sport was over the weekend, which is

1294
01:17:54,319 --> 01:17:58,399
a GCW event that Marina Shaffir, John Moxley and Speedball

1295
01:17:58,439 --> 01:18:00,239
Mike Bailey. We're all of Adam. We know that he

1296
01:18:00,359 --> 01:18:02,479
at some point is going to be aw bounds, so.

1297
01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:05,199
Speaker 5: He was also a blood Sport.

1298
01:18:05,359 --> 01:18:07,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's probably not a good idea to have

1299
01:18:07,479 --> 01:18:10,960
a falling out with that promotion over one person's uh,

1300
01:18:11,279 --> 01:18:15,039
you know, one person's opinion, you know, one dude that

1301
01:18:15,279 --> 01:18:18,119
has very little pull on the entire roster. I don't

1302
01:18:18,119 --> 01:18:20,039
think that for Tony Kahan to say.

1303
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:21,319
Speaker 1: Hey, you know what, this is no cool.

1304
01:18:21,359 --> 01:18:24,359
Speaker 2: I'm mad at you, you know, come on, dude, like.

1305
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:26,039
Speaker 1: Like, but from all we know, Ricky Starks came out

1306
01:18:26,079 --> 01:18:27,960
and you said, I don't like this at all. You know,

1307
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:30,520
I don't like that guy. You know, I need out

1308
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:32,359
of this. Tony helped me out.

1309
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:37,119
Speaker 3: But and that's the thing, and that's the thing. Everybody's

1310
01:18:37,159 --> 01:18:39,840
gonna say it's done that. It's one guy's idea. This

1311
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:42,000
is what happened, that's what happened. We don't know what

1312
01:18:42,039 --> 01:18:44,239
really happened. You just to go based on what you

1313
01:18:44,279 --> 01:18:46,880
know about the people involved. And I kind of think

1314
01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:50,479
what Kelson just said makes more sense that. You know,

1315
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:53,640
I don't see him doing that because unless you've done

1316
01:18:53,640 --> 01:18:56,680
something drastic in front of the fans or said something

1317
01:18:56,720 --> 01:18:59,720
that is known to ben said by you, Tony usually

1318
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:02,439
doesn't do anything like that. He lets things go to

1319
01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:04,119
the point where you have the c him punk kind

1320
01:19:04,119 --> 01:19:07,399
of shit happened, you know what I mean? So, yeah,

1321
01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:08,880
who knows what really happened.

1322
01:19:09,279 --> 01:19:11,840
Speaker 2: Maybe this is Tony Kahan finally like standing his ground

1323
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:13,239
and so, you know what, I'm not gonna let these

1324
01:19:13,239 --> 01:19:14,439
guys walk all over me.

1325
01:19:15,199 --> 01:19:19,479
Speaker 6: You know, I couldn't be too okay. I just wanted

1326
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:25,359
to circle back to GCW because they also do business

1327
01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:30,319
with WWE, and I personally in surprise, that wasn't the

1328
01:19:30,359 --> 01:19:33,760
strong that broke Tony's.

1329
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:36,760
Speaker 1: One more time. Yeah, you broke up really bad there,

1330
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:37,840
but I'm sorry.

1331
01:19:38,039 --> 01:19:43,840
Speaker 6: No, So GCW especially was there blood sports stuff They

1332
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:49,319
will bring in WWE guys, and I'm surprised that really

1333
01:19:49,359 --> 01:19:52,119
hasn't been a turn off for Tody from GCW.

1334
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:55,640
Speaker 2: Well, I mean in gc GCW for blood Sports specifically,

1335
01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:59,560
has had five separate promotions there including WW all at

1336
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:03,600
once you had a WWW. Yeah, you had a WWE

1337
01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:06,640
person fighting an aw person during a blood Sport three

1338
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:07,359
years ago.

1339
01:20:07,279 --> 01:20:11,279
Speaker 6: Exactly exactly. That's That's That's where what I'm saying, like,

1340
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:18,399
is j c W literally like where AWWWE somehow coexists

1341
01:20:19,079 --> 01:20:24,720
is GCW blood Sport where we've had Shana Bazeor show

1342
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:27,880
up on blood Sport twice this year and this past

1343
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:32,720
week we had Carmen Petrovitch show up on blood Sport.

1344
01:20:33,239 --> 01:20:35,920
Speaker 1: Right, Well, let's circle back to rawlins.

1345
01:20:36,159 --> 01:20:36,359
Speaker 8: Uh.

1346
01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:39,239
Speaker 1: Do you want to wrap up your potpourri? Or you

1347
01:20:39,279 --> 01:20:41,479
said everything that you needed to say.

1348
01:20:43,439 --> 01:20:49,239
Speaker 4: It's just unfortunate that guys like Ricky and Miro and

1349
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:54,560
others are just kind of sitting on their hands doing

1350
01:20:54,720 --> 01:21:00,279
nothing when they could be utilized on the ross during

1351
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:04,399
some way like there was a reason, like I invested

1352
01:21:04,479 --> 01:21:09,520
so much of my fandom in Ricky starts, and I,

1353
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:13,319
in my opinion, it was validated.

1354
01:21:14,359 --> 01:21:16,159
Speaker 5: You know, personally, I.

1355
01:21:16,119 --> 01:21:18,680
Speaker 4: Would have had him take the title off of MJF,

1356
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:22,800
but that's neither here nor there. So I just don't

1357
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:26,399
like how Tony conn is just like, Yeah, I have

1358
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:28,560
nothing for you, so I'm just gonna make you sit

1359
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:29,920
at home and do nothing.

1360
01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:35,279
Speaker 1: Well, this may rawlins workout Ricky Stark's benefit, because maybe

1361
01:21:35,439 --> 01:21:39,840
to throw him a bone, Tony Connell say hey, we've

1362
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:42,359
got a collision coming up, let's put you on it.

1363
01:21:43,199 --> 01:21:46,399
Speaker 6: You never know, I just want to I'm sorry about Miro.

1364
01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:51,359
But does Miro actually want to come back and like

1365
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:52,760
do aw or.

1366
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:54,800
Speaker 1: Does he just want We don't know?

1367
01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:59,279
Speaker 6: Or is he like or is he content with sitdying

1368
01:21:59,279 --> 01:22:04,399
at home, wedding is contractor and potentially going back to WWE,

1369
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:06,720
or just retiring from wrestling at all.

1370
01:22:07,479 --> 01:22:11,960
Speaker 2: I could expand on that. So Miro attributes his fallout

1371
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:15,359
with his wife to them both being with a w

1372
01:22:17,119 --> 01:22:20,960
at the same time. You know, I don't, I I don't.

1373
01:22:21,199 --> 01:22:24,800
I can't confirm because I'm not in their marriage. I

1374
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:27,479
could tell you what I've researched and found. But it

1375
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:31,960
seems to be that he might have some ground to

1376
01:22:32,079 --> 01:22:35,760
stand in making a statement like that, because you know

1377
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:38,680
what probably brought on the end of their marriage was

1378
01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:43,800
a product of relationships she developed within AW. So he

1379
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:46,239
is volunteerly sitting on his hands. He's getting paid to

1380
01:22:46,239 --> 01:22:53,079
sit on his hands, but he's voluntarily sitting on his hands.

1381
01:22:53,359 --> 01:22:57,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that. It's this is touble speculation

1382
01:22:58,039 --> 01:23:01,520
on my part, but i'd don't think that we're going

1383
01:23:01,560 --> 01:23:04,439
to have receive Hero in a wrestling ring again, or

1384
01:23:05,319 --> 01:23:08,600
I think he wants to retire. I think this has

1385
01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:13,239
hit him hard, and uh, I think he's just If

1386
01:23:13,279 --> 01:23:14,760
we do see him again, I don't think it'll be

1387
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:16,880
even if his contract runs out. I don't think it'll

1388
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:19,640
be in any ring until for a couple of years,

1389
01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:22,079
and he's not a spring chicken anymore. This may be

1390
01:23:22,199 --> 01:23:25,079
the end of him in the wrestling ring, which is

1391
01:23:25,119 --> 01:23:26,600
a shame because I really enjoy it.

1392
01:23:27,159 --> 01:23:29,359
Speaker 2: I think we'll seem as Russov. It's more likely we'll

1393
01:23:29,359 --> 01:23:31,079
seem as Russov. I think he's going to go the

1394
01:23:31,159 --> 01:23:33,560
route of Androtti, but I don't think they're going to

1395
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:35,399
run him straight to the main roster. I think he'll

1396
01:23:35,439 --> 01:23:38,079
head back to NXT, rebuild himself, maybe hold a mid

1397
01:23:38,239 --> 01:23:40,479
mid I mean it's hard to say a mid card

1398
01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:42,800
title in NXT say that five times fast?

1399
01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:43,039
Speaker 1: Right?

1400
01:23:43,119 --> 01:23:49,479
Speaker 2: What is that? That's the men NXT World Championship. But like, sorry,

1401
01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:51,680
anybody else.

1402
01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:54,800
Speaker 1: Does anybody else have a pri Let's go ahead and

1403
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:57,720
move on. Let's let's get another pot pourri discussion going.

1404
01:24:01,039 --> 01:24:05,680
Speaker 2: Anybody I have twenty, I always have Pope Prix.

1405
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:09,319
Speaker 1: Make your best one saved the other nineteen for next year.

1406
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:13,800
Speaker 2: Oh god no, that's why we podcast on our own, right,

1407
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:20,239
you know I want to like, this is just a thought.

1408
01:24:20,399 --> 01:24:22,840
My Pope pri is a is a expressing a thought

1409
01:24:23,239 --> 01:24:25,520
for everyone that's crapping on Kenny Omega right now for

1410
01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:28,520
going back to New Japan. First, shut the hell up. Please.

1411
01:24:29,119 --> 01:24:31,800
This dude literally like has been fighting to be in

1412
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:37,159
a wrestling ring for us his entire career, through tragedy

1413
01:24:37,479 --> 01:24:41,760
and relocation and and and serious injury. Every time this

1414
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:45,159
dude turns around, something is serious. He seriously injured or

1415
01:24:45,199 --> 01:24:48,800
he's sick. He's fought seriously injured for three years and said,

1416
01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:50,479
I'm taking a step back and get crapped on this

1417
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:52,600
guy then too. Let him go back to Japan. Man,

1418
01:24:53,079 --> 01:24:55,680
it's his life, it's it's what he wants to do.

1419
01:24:56,119 --> 01:24:58,840
Stop being a jerk, he'll be back to AWB patient

1420
01:24:59,119 --> 01:25:00,479
and if you have a problem with him not being

1421
01:25:00,479 --> 01:25:02,720
an aw go watch New Japan like a big boy.

1422
01:25:03,359 --> 01:25:07,960
Speaker 1: Amen, way off. Kenny Punk, Kenny Omega.

1423
01:25:08,359 --> 01:25:15,000
Speaker 3: You say, Kenny Punk, Holy Ship, Kenny, Kenny Kenny's Kenny's

1424
01:25:15,039 --> 01:25:17,880
reasons for going to New Japan make perfect sense. And

1425
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:20,359
what he said, you know he doesn't need they don't

1426
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:22,159
They don't really have a place for him in a

1427
01:25:22,359 --> 01:25:23,840
W right now. Where are you gonna put him?

1428
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:26,960
Speaker 2: If he comes, you can make a place for him,

1429
01:25:27,119 --> 01:25:28,479
You could instantly.

1430
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:37,159
Speaker 1: It's Kenny Omega gonna do. They're gonna be on Dynamite

1431
01:25:37,199 --> 01:25:37,680
tomorrow night.

1432
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:41,079
Speaker 3: He'll be. He'll do more good in you Japan that

1433
01:25:41,159 --> 01:25:44,279
right now than he will in a W because you're

1434
01:25:44,319 --> 01:25:46,119
not gonna want to throw him in a major thing

1435
01:25:46,199 --> 01:25:48,640
right now in a W because he's still recovering and

1436
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:51,640
he's not. You know, they do that sometimes too often.

1437
01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:54,760
Or he'll bring somebody back and say, Okay, well you

1438
01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:57,000
you're not injured anymore. We're just gonna throw you right

1439
01:25:57,039 --> 01:25:59,960
into it. And then you know, you got guys like

1440
01:26:00,039 --> 01:26:04,039
Adam Cole that are nowhere near where they should be

1441
01:26:04,039 --> 01:26:05,520
to be able to wrestle. Again, but yet he gets

1442
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:07,359
thrown into a major thing to try to go up

1443
01:26:07,359 --> 01:26:09,880
against them. JF, why would you do that to one

1444
01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:11,279
of your big superstars.

1445
01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:14,359
Speaker 4: Sudden, you took the words right out of my mouth,

1446
01:26:14,399 --> 01:26:16,399
because that's exactly where I.

1447
01:26:16,279 --> 01:26:17,439
Speaker 5: Was going to go with it, Like.

1448
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:22,199
Speaker 4: There's no need for Kenny Omega to come back, because

1449
01:26:22,319 --> 01:26:26,039
if he were to return to AW, let's say tomorrow,

1450
01:26:26,640 --> 01:26:30,920
you're gonna put him into a major storyline because it's

1451
01:26:31,239 --> 01:26:35,119
freaking Kenny Omega, and he's just not in a position

1452
01:26:35,239 --> 01:26:38,239
to do that, like the New.

1453
01:26:38,159 --> 01:26:43,079
Speaker 3: Japan uses and with this much issues that New Japan

1454
01:26:43,119 --> 01:26:46,359
have had over the past year, him going to New

1455
01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:51,720
Japan and starting back again there will allow New Japan

1456
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:54,079
hopefully to recover some of what they.

1457
01:26:53,960 --> 01:26:57,479
Speaker 2: Lost, not even not only that that they built the

1458
01:26:57,960 --> 01:27:01,600
aw's entire product was built in New Japan, the entire thing.

1459
01:27:02,159 --> 01:27:05,439
So so give Kenny some time to rebuild himself, recruit

1460
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:08,039
garner interest over there, and then they bring it back

1461
01:27:08,079 --> 01:27:10,760
to America for Forbidden Door. But like there are so

1462
01:27:10,840 --> 01:27:12,920
I see on the forums, like so many people who

1463
01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:16,439
are like it's not even decisive, Like o F, Kenny Omego,

1464
01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:18,760
why is he not coming back to a w like

1465
01:27:19,119 --> 01:27:21,760
probably because you've never seen him on New Japan before.

1466
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:24,520
And you you're I want it almost liked cook You're

1467
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:26,319
you're like, you're an idiot, You're a grifter.

1468
01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:31,680
Speaker 10: Go away, And I'll tell you what the fact that

1469
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:34,760
not only is he coming back to New Japan, but

1470
01:27:34,840 --> 01:27:37,000
he's facing Game Kids.

1471
01:27:37,359 --> 01:27:41,520
Speaker 5: Like that's not that's not exactly you know.

1472
01:27:43,159 --> 01:27:48,760
Speaker 4: Just making like I'm little returned like Game Kids is

1473
01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:50,880
a serious wrestler.

1474
01:27:51,279 --> 01:27:55,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, well there are implications beyond that, good rollins. It

1475
01:27:55,840 --> 01:27:58,560
is a form. It is the former best leader of

1476
01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:02,640
Bullet Club going against Bullet Club's top guy and potentially

1477
01:28:02,720 --> 01:28:06,640
the next leader of Bullet Club. Like yeah, like that's great.

1478
01:28:07,039 --> 01:28:10,159
Like the stories bill themselves.

1479
01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:12,000
Speaker 3: And I know they have a connection between the two,

1480
01:28:12,159 --> 01:28:14,920
but with Kenny going to New Japan, you could build

1481
01:28:14,920 --> 01:28:19,279
an even stronger connection that could allow more interaction between

1482
01:28:19,640 --> 01:28:22,920
the New Japan and AW than they have now, not

1483
01:28:23,199 --> 01:28:27,479
just with guys like Ecee and the Murder Grandpa, but

1484
01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:30,039
you could start bringing in more guys like Jeff Cobb

1485
01:28:30,319 --> 01:28:33,319
or Gabe Kid or any number of the young guys

1486
01:28:33,359 --> 01:28:34,560
that don't come over here.

1487
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:40,279
Speaker 4: Exactly seton and like for somebody like me, who's not

1488
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:45,960
as familiar with, you know, the New Japan product Kenny

1489
01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:50,039
Omega going up we're there, like gets my attention, like, oh,

1490
01:28:50,359 --> 01:28:53,680
maybe I should tune into New Japan to see what

1491
01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:55,199
Kenny Omega is doing.

1492
01:28:55,680 --> 01:28:59,720
Speaker 5: And you know that gets more eyes on New Japan.

1493
01:29:01,159 --> 01:29:03,880
Speaker 2: Hey, Sutton, to be fair to all the New Japan

1494
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:08,600
guys here in ae W, they're all homicide elders. She

1495
01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:10,279
is not a spring chicken.

1496
01:29:10,079 --> 01:29:12,199
Speaker 3: Dude, I know, but you know what I mean.

1497
01:29:12,279 --> 01:29:13,800
Speaker 1: I'm just it as forties.

1498
01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:16,640
Speaker 2: I mean, like all of these guys are like homicide

1499
01:29:16,640 --> 01:29:19,159
Grandpa's But she.

1500
01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:21,439
Speaker 3: About being in his forties isn't old. When you come

1501
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:24,560
about wrestlers, you can't talk about guys that are under

1502
01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:28,600
fifty or above forty but not quite fifty to fifty five.

1503
01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:30,840
You can't talk to them about being old. Because Shabona

1504
01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:34,319
can still go with anybody, and the only reason that

1505
01:29:34,399 --> 01:29:36,600
he had issues was because of the injury he had.

1506
01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:39,520
Speaker 2: I'm projecting because I'm almost forty and I feel old.

1507
01:29:40,279 --> 01:29:44,880
Speaker 3: I'm over fifty five, so shut up. You know that.

1508
01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:47,279
The kind of weird thing is you were talking about

1509
01:29:47,279 --> 01:29:49,920
how the New Japan most of the people who came

1510
01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:56,920
from or the bill aw were did their thing through there,

1511
01:29:57,279 --> 01:30:00,319
but people don't mention how many of them can from

1512
01:30:00,399 --> 01:30:02,079
r o H and r o H to me just

1513
01:30:02,279 --> 01:30:05,359
never after they just they shut it down the first

1514
01:30:05,359 --> 01:30:07,640
time before Tony bought it. That kind of killed r

1515
01:30:07,680 --> 01:30:08,359
o H for me.

1516
01:30:08,880 --> 01:30:10,760
Speaker 2: Well, it killed r o H for.

1517
01:30:12,279 --> 01:30:12,920
Speaker 1: A lot of people.

1518
01:30:13,119 --> 01:30:16,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well the reason are you know why r o

1519
01:30:16,439 --> 01:30:17,039
H shutdown?

1520
01:30:18,680 --> 01:30:20,439
Speaker 3: I'm not sure. I can't remember it.

1521
01:30:20,960 --> 01:30:25,479
Speaker 2: So their owner and promoter was involved with a uh

1522
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:29,039
a scandal that evolved the word that rhymes with s metophilia.

1523
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:35,239
So yeah, so like uh so the company was Yeah.

1524
01:30:37,720 --> 01:30:39,960
Speaker 3: Now, I just it's just amazing to me that now

1525
01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:43,720
that Tony's brought it back, I just don't think it's

1526
01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:46,439
getting the the the necessary love that it needs to

1527
01:30:46,479 --> 01:30:50,239
be getting. Well, I mean, like it's I think there's

1528
01:30:50,279 --> 01:30:54,159
too much interaction with people from r o H being

1529
01:30:54,199 --> 01:30:57,000
on a w L, especially the men women sat up

1530
01:30:57,039 --> 01:31:01,239
a big deal, but you don't ever see except for

1531
01:31:01,359 --> 01:31:03,840
pay per views. Most of the title defenses for the

1532
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:06,520
ROH titles are done in aew You.

1533
01:31:06,479 --> 01:31:09,760
Speaker 2: Know, I've said this before and this is a pretty

1534
01:31:10,279 --> 01:31:12,720
you know, extreme critique, but I feel that Tony Kahn's

1535
01:31:12,720 --> 01:31:15,000
presence in ROH is cheap in the product completely and

1536
01:31:15,039 --> 01:31:17,720
if you look at Ring of Honors Heyday, you got

1537
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:21,119
keny Omega, Adam Cole, Kyle Riley, Bobby Fish. That's to

1538
01:31:21,199 --> 01:31:22,600
name a few. I can name a few more since

1539
01:31:22,640 --> 01:31:29,720
Gay Nakamura, Kazuko, kata Uh, Penta, Kevin Owens, Kevin stem Yeah,

1540
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:32,760
Al Jenerico, Yeah, that Tyler Black the stuff it was

1541
01:31:32,920 --> 01:31:35,720
now Rollins. I mean, like all of these guys like

1542
01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:38,920
these huge names like like see him Punk Samoa Joe,

1543
01:31:39,239 --> 01:31:42,119
you know, or to dip even further in you know,

1544
01:31:42,199 --> 01:31:45,720
EXCaliber you know, like look at Excalibur, you know, like

1545
01:31:45,720 --> 01:31:48,960
like yeah, like ROH has had some of the world's

1546
01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:52,760
greatest wrestlers involved with them. But to wrap this back

1547
01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:55,079
into New Japan, most of these guys in ro OH

1548
01:31:55,279 --> 01:31:57,479
actually started with New in Japan and leaked over to

1549
01:31:57,600 --> 01:32:00,960
r H. Like the Elite disputed. They were New Japan

1550
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:03,640
guys before they were rh guys. I mean AJ Styles

1551
01:32:03,680 --> 01:32:07,159
was the first peer Champion, like straight up yeah, like

1552
01:32:07,680 --> 01:32:10,439
and that's aj Styles one of the greatest wrestlers on earth.

1553
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:16,000
Speaker 4: So, by the way, just saw this tweet from New

1554
01:32:16,119 --> 01:32:19,720
Japan Global after a challenge from the Young Bucks was

1555
01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:23,119
accepted by the Great o'conn and and raw.

1556
01:32:23,199 --> 01:32:25,600
Speaker 5: Excuse me if I mispronounced that name.

1557
01:32:25,880 --> 01:32:29,920
Speaker 4: And Hi w GP Tag Team Championship Match has been

1558
01:32:30,039 --> 01:32:33,239
added to January fifth at Russell Dynasty.

1559
01:32:33,680 --> 01:32:35,880
Speaker 2: All right, that's gonna be great. These guys have all

1560
01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:37,399
runned before. It's gonna be a banger.

1561
01:32:38,119 --> 01:32:41,800
Speaker 1: Well, let's let's move on to Sutton and Steve have

1562
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:43,960
not done their pote marie yet, neither of I.

1563
01:32:44,239 --> 01:32:47,399
Speaker 7: So, jeez, I don't know what to talk about. There's

1564
01:32:48,199 --> 01:32:50,720
you guys, like you guys covered all what I was

1565
01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:55,079
gonna talk about, like the the Ricky Stark stuff, and you.

1566
01:32:55,119 --> 01:32:59,920
Speaker 1: Gotta be aggressive, Steve, come on, buddy, how everybody else does?

1567
01:33:00,119 --> 01:33:05,359
How about how? How? I don't know?

1568
01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:10,640
Speaker 7: I like, uh, Will Hobbs coming back and like I

1569
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:14,800
and like I think he's good in the ring now

1570
01:33:14,920 --> 01:33:18,000
and like I think he's going somewhere now that he's back.

1571
01:33:18,479 --> 01:33:20,159
Speaker 1: And do you like him as a face better than

1572
01:33:20,239 --> 01:33:21,720
as a heel? Yeah?

1573
01:33:22,239 --> 01:33:24,000
Speaker 7: I think that's it. That's what I'm liking.

1574
01:33:24,159 --> 01:33:28,279
Speaker 1: Yeah. Did you see his interview with Renee Renee Pikata

1575
01:33:28,399 --> 01:33:31,159
was posted on YouTube earlier today? No, I'll watch it.

1576
01:33:31,399 --> 01:33:34,840
Oh my god, it's really good. Did you know that

1577
01:33:35,640 --> 01:33:39,119
his brother was murdered right in front of him? Matter

1578
01:33:39,159 --> 01:33:41,840
of fact, his brother he pushed him out of the way.

1579
01:33:42,159 --> 01:33:44,800
Hobbs got shot in the arm. His brother took six

1580
01:33:44,880 --> 01:33:50,399
in the chest. Boom oh, and Hobbs talked about this

1581
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:54,239
a little bit during the interview. It's really good because

1582
01:33:54,840 --> 01:33:57,920
I've always said that Hobbes is he always strikes me

1583
01:33:58,000 --> 01:33:59,520
as just one of those guys that I want to

1584
01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:03,079
hang around with. He just seems like a genuine good dude.

1585
01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:06,479
That's how I feel too, you know. And he was

1586
01:34:08,279 --> 01:34:09,560
just all the way to put it, he was balling

1587
01:34:09,640 --> 01:34:12,720
his eyes out during this interview. He was belfore it

1588
01:34:12,880 --> 01:34:15,560
was a really good interview. It was really really something.

1589
01:34:16,520 --> 01:34:18,680
Speaker 2: He was walking around fright night and Jim Schwartz and

1590
01:34:18,720 --> 01:34:21,000
the tank Top just high five and strangers. I didn't

1591
01:34:21,079 --> 01:34:23,640
I personally saw him, but didn't get to say hey

1592
01:34:23,680 --> 01:34:25,039
to him. But a bunch of people I were with

1593
01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:27,079
like got to talk to him for a couple of minutes,

1594
01:34:27,119 --> 01:34:28,479
and I guess he was like super cool.

1595
01:34:29,239 --> 01:34:29,399
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1596
01:34:29,439 --> 01:34:32,720
Speaker 3: Everybody that ever talks about him outside of the ring

1597
01:34:33,039 --> 01:34:39,399
say he is the nicest, most most amicable person you'll

1598
01:34:39,479 --> 01:34:42,920
ever meet. And what he said earlier this year when

1599
01:34:42,920 --> 01:34:46,279
he first came back, he wants to try to put

1600
01:34:46,399 --> 01:34:49,840
his real personality into his character. Now he's going to

1601
01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:53,479
go away from the other stuff and become more like

1602
01:34:53,560 --> 01:34:55,079
he is in real life, which could be a lot

1603
01:34:55,119 --> 01:34:55,439
of fun.

1604
01:34:56,640 --> 01:35:01,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, this interview, he talked about not even being able

1605
01:35:01,159 --> 01:35:03,560
to like take his kids to school. He's got an

1606
01:35:03,560 --> 01:35:06,680
eighteen year old son, he's got a daughter that's younger

1607
01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:13,520
than that, and heah, but anyway, No, he was talking

1608
01:35:13,560 --> 01:35:15,760
about not even being able to put his shoes on

1609
01:35:16,680 --> 01:35:19,159
and stuff like that. You're not not putting be able

1610
01:35:19,199 --> 01:35:22,119
to put any weight. He went to physical therapy three

1611
01:35:22,199 --> 01:35:26,239
hours a day for six days a week. He was

1612
01:35:26,640 --> 01:35:28,920
going to the gym still, just even though he couldn't

1613
01:35:28,960 --> 01:35:31,279
do much, he still went to the gym, you know.

1614
01:35:31,720 --> 01:35:34,720
And and he said that his goal was to come

1615
01:35:34,840 --> 01:35:38,359
back better than he was when he left. And you know,

1616
01:35:38,680 --> 01:35:40,479
and he did lose it. What he was talking about

1617
01:35:40,520 --> 01:35:43,119
his kids having to take care of him, you know,

1618
01:35:43,239 --> 01:35:45,079
and that they did a good job, you know. And

1619
01:35:45,880 --> 01:35:48,359
he just strikes me. He talked about being a dad

1620
01:35:48,520 --> 01:35:52,159
and you know, a man's responsibility as a father. The

1621
01:35:52,359 --> 01:35:55,439
guy just said everything right, I mean it's a really

1622
01:35:55,520 --> 01:35:56,119
good interview.

1623
01:35:56,520 --> 01:35:57,520
Speaker 5: It's on YouTube.

1624
01:35:57,800 --> 01:36:03,840
Speaker 1: It's with Rene Paquette. It's on the AW official AW

1625
01:36:04,039 --> 01:36:07,079
YouTube channel, or you can go on AW Final because

1626
01:36:07,079 --> 01:36:09,600
I put a link cord up there. It's definitely worth

1627
01:36:09,640 --> 01:36:12,359
a view. Even if you're not what you would consider

1628
01:36:12,479 --> 01:36:16,439
a fan of Will Hobbs, you will be after this.

1629
01:36:16,640 --> 01:36:19,279
I mean you'll you'll get it. He's just a good

1630
01:36:19,359 --> 01:36:21,720
He's just a good dude. He really is.

1631
01:36:22,520 --> 01:36:26,279
Speaker 5: Hey, Keel said, all I will say is this. You

1632
01:36:26,520 --> 01:36:30,479
mentioned how he saw his brother get murdered right in

1633
01:36:30,520 --> 01:36:31,079
front of him.

1634
01:36:31,640 --> 01:36:35,279
Speaker 4: MJF better not find out about that because you know

1635
01:36:35,439 --> 01:36:37,199
how kind of promo and mentioned that.

1636
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:39,840
Speaker 1: Well neither should Nick wayn Nick Wayne is gonna probably

1637
01:36:39,880 --> 01:36:41,159
be like I'll be your step brother.

1638
01:36:41,279 --> 01:36:41,640
Speaker 6: What's wrong?

1639
01:36:44,439 --> 01:36:44,840
Speaker 2: That's wrong?

1640
01:36:45,640 --> 01:36:49,520
Speaker 7: Like yeah, Like I only seen Will Hobbs as just

1641
01:36:49,720 --> 01:36:52,800
like someone who would always squash or like in always

1642
01:36:52,920 --> 01:36:55,720
the Squash matches. I'm like, well, come on, there has

1643
01:36:55,800 --> 01:36:57,279
to be more to this guy and than when he

1644
01:36:57,359 --> 01:37:01,520
comes back and returns, it's like I totally see something

1645
01:37:01,600 --> 01:37:03,640
different in him. I'm like, oh, now I want to

1646
01:37:03,680 --> 01:37:05,119
watch him sort.

1647
01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:10,079
Speaker 1: Of yeah, but does anybody else have a potpourri sudden.

1648
01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:17,840
I I do have a potpourri, and I men ask

1649
01:37:17,960 --> 01:37:21,079
everybody that's listening and everybody that's on the panel tonight

1650
01:37:21,640 --> 01:37:26,520
tomorrow night, to get out your lamb chops, your pork chops,

1651
01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:31,640
your chop sticks, because we're gonna have Chris Jericho and

1652
01:37:33,119 --> 01:37:38,279
Tamo Heroishi in a chop fest. There's no other way

1653
01:37:38,319 --> 01:37:43,479
to put it. Oh yeah, what's what's the over under?

1654
01:37:43,640 --> 01:37:48,199
I'm saying two hundred chops at least tomorrow night, believe

1655
01:37:48,239 --> 01:37:50,159
it or not. The last time they wrestled, I did

1656
01:37:50,279 --> 01:37:52,760
count it, and I stopped counting at one hundred, and

1657
01:37:52,840 --> 01:37:55,359
that was only about maybe a third of the way

1658
01:37:55,399 --> 01:37:57,359
through the match. But that was a little bit of

1659
01:37:57,359 --> 01:37:59,840
a differause if you remember they spent the first ten

1660
01:38:00,039 --> 01:38:03,439
minutes of that match, they didn't remember that. They didn't

1661
01:38:03,439 --> 01:38:05,600
even attempt the wrestling move. I didn't even do a

1662
01:38:05,640 --> 01:38:07,960
half long They just started right chopping with each other.

1663
01:38:08,039 --> 01:38:10,760
And they just stood toe to toe and chopped. You know,

1664
01:38:11,560 --> 01:38:15,199
Jericho was bleeding through his ear. You know. It was

1665
01:38:15,319 --> 01:38:21,520
just like, I'm like, we're gonna see red chests had

1666
01:38:21,640 --> 01:38:24,840
a lot of chopping tomorrow night, and I hope it's

1667
01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:27,000
a good long match, and I hope it's right at

1668
01:38:27,079 --> 01:38:28,880
nine o'clock because that would be the perfect time to

1669
01:38:28,920 --> 01:38:31,359
take my dogs out because I have no intention to

1670
01:38:31,399 --> 01:38:32,239
watching this match.

1671
01:38:32,399 --> 01:38:35,960
Speaker 6: To me, over five hundred, I.

1672
01:38:35,960 --> 01:38:37,800
Speaker 1: Don't think they can go that long. Don't break their

1673
01:38:37,840 --> 01:38:40,199
hands if they do it that much, buddy, But yeah,

1674
01:38:40,279 --> 01:38:42,560
I mean it's tell me hero Ishi now this is

1675
01:38:42,600 --> 01:38:45,680
for the rig of Hoter World Championship on a w TV.

1676
01:38:46,319 --> 01:38:48,880
Tell me hero Ishi is right now? Oh at eleven

1677
01:38:48,960 --> 01:38:53,640
and a w singles matches. Why is he in this match?

1678
01:38:54,079 --> 01:38:56,800
I don't know. I think.

1679
01:38:58,199 --> 01:39:03,680
Speaker 3: That hasn't wrestled Erico under the Learning Tree, isn't he?

1680
01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:06,000
Did he wrestle him? Was that last match with Jericho?

1681
01:39:06,079 --> 01:39:08,079
And in the with Jericho the Learning Tree at the time?

1682
01:39:09,039 --> 01:39:09,840
Speaker 1: Pretty sure it was.

1683
01:39:11,880 --> 01:39:13,039
Speaker 6: All they got to.

1684
01:39:14,119 --> 01:39:17,680
Speaker 3: You've got to get all the conglomeration into this eventually,

1685
01:39:17,800 --> 01:39:18,479
that's what this is.

1686
01:39:19,279 --> 01:39:21,800
Speaker 1: They need to decide whether the collaboration is going to

1687
01:39:21,840 --> 01:39:24,039
be going after the Death Writers or they're going to

1688
01:39:24,079 --> 01:39:26,479
go after the Learning Tree, or if they're going after

1689
01:39:26,520 --> 01:39:28,800
the women's division. Who the hell knows what they're doing.

1690
01:39:28,880 --> 01:39:30,479
They're all over the damn place.

1691
01:39:30,720 --> 01:39:33,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, honestly, I see them kind of I see them

1692
01:39:33,800 --> 01:39:36,399
kind of breaking the conglomeration down a little bit now,

1693
01:39:36,520 --> 01:39:41,319
because for the next month, you've got uh, You've got

1694
01:39:41,399 --> 01:39:43,640
what was his name in the in the C two,

1695
01:39:44,239 --> 01:39:48,000
and then Mark he's in the C two and Ors

1696
01:39:48,079 --> 01:39:50,680
Cassidy got the crap beat out of him. And if

1697
01:39:50,760 --> 01:39:55,439
you watch the mjf Roddy match, then you've got Kyle

1698
01:39:55,680 --> 01:39:59,000
O'Reilly going weird on that one. So you might not

1699
01:39:59,079 --> 01:40:01,920
see the conglomeration together anymore, at least.

1700
01:40:01,760 --> 01:40:05,039
Speaker 1: Not like that, not like that. But I'm still I

1701
01:40:05,119 --> 01:40:10,039
mean that's what they're doing. I mean, look, the fact

1702
01:40:10,079 --> 01:40:12,239
of the matter is it's gonna be a chop best.

1703
01:40:12,520 --> 01:40:18,239
It's a totally mirorless match. I do have another potpourri, uh,

1704
01:40:18,600 --> 01:40:21,880
and it kind of goes along with this. I made

1705
01:40:21,920 --> 01:40:26,520
a post on aw fan Hub and I said something

1706
01:40:26,640 --> 01:40:32,560
that is so poetic, and so it got questioned right away.

1707
01:40:32,680 --> 01:40:37,560
I said that the Orange Cassidy match against John Moxley

1708
01:40:37,600 --> 01:40:45,880
at full gear was pointless but necessary, pointless but necessary,

1709
01:40:45,920 --> 01:40:48,720
and somebody, how could you have a match be both

1710
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:52,680
pointless and necessary? That's and so I explained it to him.

1711
01:40:52,760 --> 01:40:59,479
It was pointless because nobody that I've talked to expected

1712
01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:04,000
Orange Cassidy to win that match. Everybody expected Orange Cassie

1713
01:41:04,079 --> 01:41:08,560
to lose, So in that regard, it was kind of

1714
01:41:08,680 --> 01:41:13,359
pointless putting him in a World Championship match as a

1715
01:41:13,439 --> 01:41:17,279
main event on a pay per view when there was

1716
01:41:17,479 --> 01:41:21,720
literally no hope from anybody that I talked to, whether

1717
01:41:21,800 --> 01:41:25,760
it be on this podcast or in the different social

1718
01:41:25,840 --> 01:41:31,000
media rounds that I do. Nobody, and I mean this sincerely.

1719
01:41:31,800 --> 01:41:34,279
Some people said they wanted Orange Cassie to win, but

1720
01:41:34,479 --> 01:41:37,640
nobody thought he was gonna win that I talked to. Now,

1721
01:41:38,600 --> 01:41:42,880
now that's what made the match pointless. Why was it necessary?

1722
01:41:43,039 --> 01:41:47,239
Because somebody had to do it, And frankly, Orange Cassidy

1723
01:41:47,279 --> 01:41:51,520
has a history with John Moxley, so that's why Max

1724
01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:54,479
that Cassidy was put in that position. But still it

1725
01:41:54,680 --> 01:41:59,680
was totally a of the matches that were on full gear.

1726
01:42:00,239 --> 01:42:02,760
That one was like absolutely certain there was no way

1727
01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:05,239
to win going into it.

1728
01:42:05,720 --> 01:42:07,600
Speaker 3: The only way Max would have lost that masters if

1729
01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:09,279
he would have got a broken leg or something in

1730
01:42:09,359 --> 01:42:12,319
the middle of it. Yeah, but I mean, like you said,

1731
01:42:12,359 --> 01:42:15,680
it wasn't it wasn't it. It wasn't necessary, but it

1732
01:42:16,039 --> 01:42:20,239
was or it wasn't needed, but it was necessary for

1733
01:42:20,359 --> 01:42:22,880
the simple fact that that was the stepping stone to

1734
01:42:22,920 --> 01:42:28,039
the next level of the Death Riders storyline.

1735
01:42:28,800 --> 01:42:32,279
Speaker 1: And that's why the pay per view ending kind of

1736
01:42:32,399 --> 01:42:34,840
made people a little bit upset because it was no

1737
01:42:35,079 --> 01:42:39,720
clear the step. The next step wasn't made clear. It

1738
01:42:39,880 --> 01:42:44,520
was very open ended because you had multiple people out

1739
01:42:44,560 --> 01:42:46,840
there that could then be the next challenger.

1740
01:42:48,920 --> 01:42:50,800
Speaker 3: So yeah, but I think the whole Derby thing is

1741
01:42:50,920 --> 01:42:53,079
the is the next step and if it's not him,

1742
01:42:53,119 --> 01:42:55,800
it's it's gonna be either Christian or somebody else, because

1743
01:42:56,119 --> 01:43:01,600
I still think the will the uh the uh uh cowboy.

1744
01:43:02,520 --> 01:43:04,720
Speaker 1: Let me say something, No, let me say something to

1745
01:43:04,760 --> 01:43:09,079
you here, sudden look at the C two. Look at

1746
01:43:09,079 --> 01:43:13,840
the C two roster right right? The C two ends

1747
01:43:13,880 --> 01:43:19,000
at World's end, right right, that's the final right that,

1748
01:43:19,800 --> 01:43:23,920
in and of itself, that tells me that nobody in

1749
01:43:24,119 --> 01:43:27,479
this C two roster is the next step for John Moxley,

1750
01:43:27,560 --> 01:43:30,560
because the only way they could be is by being

1751
01:43:30,680 --> 01:43:33,319
failures in a lesser championship.

1752
01:43:34,159 --> 01:43:35,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, but we're not picking Darby to win.

1753
01:43:37,439 --> 01:43:40,399
Speaker 1: But why would you Derby Darby challenge for the World

1754
01:43:40,479 --> 01:43:43,119
Championship but he's losing so goddamn much.

1755
01:43:43,720 --> 01:43:46,079
Speaker 3: Well, that's the same thing saying that the same question

1756
01:43:46,159 --> 01:43:48,119
that can be asked. Everybody says that Stylander should be

1757
01:43:48,119 --> 01:43:51,439
into women's world title match, but she keeps losing because

1758
01:43:51,600 --> 01:43:53,000
he Shouldn't you say that.

1759
01:43:53,520 --> 01:43:55,359
Speaker 1: I don't think that she'd be in the world title match.

1760
01:43:55,680 --> 01:44:00,560
She loses too much. She's got enough to win there.

1761
01:44:00,760 --> 01:44:03,840
Speaker 3: But you know, the only person in that match, the

1762
01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:06,800
only person in the C two that would be the

1763
01:44:06,880 --> 01:44:09,680
next step for him is Derby if they want to

1764
01:44:09,720 --> 01:44:11,800
go with Derby now, but it could be somebody else.

1765
01:44:11,880 --> 01:44:14,439
We don't know. It's not gonna I know it definitely

1766
01:44:14,520 --> 01:44:17,000
not gonna be Christian because it's sorry. Ask ain't gonn

1767
01:44:17,079 --> 01:44:18,600
challenge him unless he knows he can beat him?

1768
01:44:18,960 --> 01:44:21,880
Speaker 1: Exactly? Well, you can. You could argue that Osprey could be.

1769
01:44:22,039 --> 01:44:24,640
But I will say this, nobody in the C two

1770
01:44:24,760 --> 01:44:28,279
is is Boxley's next step. They can't be. There's no

1771
01:44:28,359 --> 01:44:29,880
way they can set it up. How are you gonna

1772
01:44:29,920 --> 01:44:33,039
have because the C two is a round robin, so

1773
01:44:33,199 --> 01:44:36,359
even if they're eliminated, they're still gonna be fighting up

1774
01:44:36,439 --> 01:44:40,319
until like the week before the finals in the C two.

1775
01:44:41,159 --> 01:44:44,840
And why would you put a loser in the C two?

1776
01:44:46,479 --> 01:44:47,880
Is as the world champion.

1777
01:44:48,600 --> 01:44:50,399
Speaker 3: This is one of the reasons why I said that

1778
01:44:50,560 --> 01:44:53,960
this whole Death Riders storyline and the C two don't

1779
01:44:54,000 --> 01:44:59,760
mix because you're eliminating you're eliminating twelve people from that,

1780
01:45:00,560 --> 01:45:04,319
and you're putting people in the C two. The big

1781
01:45:04,399 --> 01:45:06,560
thing right now with the Death Writers is they attack people.

1782
01:45:07,119 --> 01:45:10,039
You can't do that in the C two. So Claudia

1783
01:45:10,119 --> 01:45:10,600
was on his own.

1784
01:45:11,239 --> 01:45:14,000
Speaker 1: Something tells me get ready for hangman at him page

1785
01:45:14,119 --> 01:45:17,840
and John Moxley, what is it? Four or five? Four?

1786
01:45:19,560 --> 01:45:19,880
Speaker 5: Could be?

1787
01:45:20,640 --> 01:45:20,920
Speaker 1: Could be?

1788
01:45:21,039 --> 01:45:22,920
Speaker 3: But he's got problems with Jay White. I mean, well,

1789
01:45:22,920 --> 01:45:24,800
I guess Jay White's going after Christian maybe.

1790
01:45:25,279 --> 01:45:28,079
Speaker 2: Well at the end of the pay per view he

1791
01:45:28,319 --> 01:45:31,000
was screaming pack Yeah, that's right.

1792
01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:35,239
Speaker 3: And the thing about that is that could lead except

1793
01:45:35,279 --> 01:45:37,479
for the fact that Juice is in it too, So

1794
01:45:37,600 --> 01:45:39,279
that puts them a man down, even if they have

1795
01:45:39,399 --> 01:45:42,359
the entire Bang Bang gang. So that puts him a

1796
01:45:42,439 --> 01:45:44,520
man down going up against the Death Writers. So the

1797
01:45:44,600 --> 01:45:46,760
Death Riders are still well I guess not because Claudi's

1798
01:45:46,760 --> 01:45:49,960
in there. So it makes it even I.

1799
01:45:51,439 --> 01:45:54,319
Speaker 1: Don't just scount lastly, right, And and.

1800
01:45:54,359 --> 01:45:56,640
Speaker 3: That's and that's the most that's the best part of

1801
01:45:56,760 --> 01:45:59,279
that whole thing. Everybody's like, oh, it didn't make it

1802
01:45:59,359 --> 01:46:03,000
clear who cares. It gave us so many options that

1803
01:46:03,159 --> 01:46:05,000
we don't know what's gonna happen tomorrow night when it

1804
01:46:05,039 --> 01:46:08,359
comes to Moxley. Moxie could come out and declared that

1805
01:46:08,399 --> 01:46:11,199
he's going after the Bang Bang Gang. He could come

1806
01:46:11,239 --> 01:46:13,960
out and declared he's going after the Hurt Syndicate. He

1807
01:46:14,039 --> 01:46:17,199
could come out and declared he's going after anybody Derby,

1808
01:46:18,239 --> 01:46:20,680
you know, I mean, there's there's so many options for this,

1809
01:46:21,159 --> 01:46:23,600
and that's what makes it exciting because it's what everybody wants.

1810
01:46:23,640 --> 01:46:28,359
Everybody wants there to be that unknown factor in a

1811
01:46:28,680 --> 01:46:30,560
W and I'm by god if there ain't that unknown

1812
01:46:30,600 --> 01:46:31,199
factor right now.

1813
01:46:32,199 --> 01:46:34,840
Speaker 1: Well, you know, suck you brought up, you know, Chris

1814
01:46:34,880 --> 01:46:40,079
Statlander for whatever reason going after the World Championship. I mean,

1815
01:46:40,119 --> 01:46:41,720
we are going to need somebody to go after the

1816
01:46:41,760 --> 01:46:43,760
World champions It could be mean as shere Kala, that

1817
01:46:43,800 --> 01:46:44,760
could be true.

1818
01:46:44,800 --> 01:46:45,239
Speaker 3: The way they.

1819
01:46:47,319 --> 01:46:52,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, CALLA is not on a winning streak. Tony Storm

1820
01:46:52,279 --> 01:46:54,720
certainly isn't on a winning streak. She's lost three matches

1821
01:46:54,760 --> 01:46:57,199
in a row, singles Matches'll be it not a W

1822
01:46:57,640 --> 01:46:59,439
but she still lost three matches in a row and

1823
01:46:59,479 --> 01:47:03,119
singles petition. Only two women in AW that have some

1824
01:47:03,319 --> 01:47:08,000
kind of momentum going into to uh A possibility of

1825
01:47:08,079 --> 01:47:12,119
challenging Mariah may Is, Mercedes Modem Jamie Hater. I mean,

1826
01:47:12,199 --> 01:47:12,960
am I wrong there?

1827
01:47:13,680 --> 01:47:15,560
Speaker 3: Well, Jamie hasn't really been in a match. I mean,

1828
01:47:15,640 --> 01:47:17,439
she's had what two matches since he's come back. In

1829
01:47:17,479 --> 01:47:19,920
the one they drug her off before she got involved

1830
01:47:19,920 --> 01:47:23,079
in it, and the other one she went up against Penelope.

1831
01:47:24,760 --> 01:47:27,279
So you know, that goes back to saying earlier about

1832
01:47:27,279 --> 01:47:27,600
how they.

1833
01:47:27,560 --> 01:47:30,000
Speaker 1: Bring people in beat the Carsheta.

1834
01:47:31,640 --> 01:47:32,840
Speaker 3: I don't think she wrestled cheated.

1835
01:47:33,600 --> 01:47:35,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, so sheida loses to everybody these days.

1836
01:47:36,840 --> 01:47:38,960
Speaker 3: But but that's that's part of the problem is that

1837
01:47:39,439 --> 01:47:41,840
that I have with the way they do things in AW.

1838
01:47:42,600 --> 01:47:44,439
You know, you're not using you're not using the win

1839
01:47:44,520 --> 01:47:47,279
loss records, so throw that out the door. But they

1840
01:47:47,359 --> 01:47:50,600
have so many people who are losing matches that shouldn't

1841
01:47:50,600 --> 01:47:53,279
lose matches, and you're not giving yourself a clear cut

1842
01:47:53,399 --> 01:47:58,760
person to put in a title shot, especially in the

1843
01:47:58,800 --> 01:48:03,600
winner's division, because everybody's losing if they're if they're and

1844
01:48:03,840 --> 01:48:05,439
and when they do get a shot at the titles.

1845
01:48:05,479 --> 01:48:09,800
They're losing, Yeah, and A one and a Jay Wonder

1846
01:48:09,840 --> 01:48:13,199
Magic against Mariah the first time and then got beat

1847
01:48:13,239 --> 01:48:16,840
the second time, and her momentum is killed. You got

1848
01:48:16,960 --> 01:48:19,720
Queen Amnada going up against Mercedes Money and gets beat.

1849
01:48:19,800 --> 01:48:22,479
She's got no momentum anymore. Chris lost to her. She's

1850
01:48:22,479 --> 01:48:25,520
got no minimum anymore. The only ones that have momentum

1851
01:48:25,600 --> 01:48:29,960
that aren't there is Julia.

1852
01:48:31,079 --> 01:48:33,039
Speaker 2: They killed Penelope for its momentum as well.

1853
01:48:33,560 --> 01:48:37,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was ridiculous. Yeah, I mean I agree with you. Well, look,

1854
01:48:37,560 --> 01:48:39,840
we need to wrap this up because we're heading on

1855
01:48:40,000 --> 01:48:40,720
to two hours.

1856
01:48:40,840 --> 01:48:44,560
Speaker 3: Now, go for three minutes, go to midnight.

1857
01:48:49,560 --> 01:48:53,960
Speaker 1: Well, anyway, I do have a couple of announcements, one

1858
01:48:54,079 --> 01:48:58,680
being is that we will be doing our Dynamite post

1859
01:48:58,720 --> 01:49:03,680
show review show right after Dynamite on our discord. The

1860
01:49:03,760 --> 01:49:07,920
link to the discord will be in this podcast description.

1861
01:49:08,479 --> 01:49:11,520
The second announcement is is on Friday at noon. Black

1862
01:49:11,640 --> 01:49:18,680
Friday at noon the nomination start for the aw fan

1863
01:49:18,840 --> 01:49:24,560
Hub twenty twenty four Awards. We've got the categories all

1864
01:49:24,640 --> 01:49:27,279
set up. We're going to post them up on all

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of our social media. You can nominate three wrestlers in

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each category. We'll keep that going for a week and

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then after the nominations are talied, the top four from

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each category will then be put the vote and you

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will select the aew fan Hub Award. So be sure

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to look for that on all of our social media

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Blue Sky, aw fan Hub, our Discord, YouTube, put it

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everywhere so you can cast your boats for your nominations

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in each of these categories. And we did it last year.

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This is the second annual one and it was a

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lot of fun. We had thousands of votes last year

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and our community has grown strippled since last year at

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this time, so this could be really fun. It could

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be a lot of work too, but it should be

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a lot of fun. Okay. So that's it for tonight.

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That is the Ignition Podcast. For everybody you joined in tonight,

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thank you so much and for all of the listeners,

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it's great to have you. Be sure to join us

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on Discord, be sure to join us on the aw

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fantub subreddit on our Blue sky. It's all searchable. Just

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look up aw Fanub three words and you can find us.

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So fortyaw Fanub podcast team. This is Kelson. Good night, everybody,

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not you.

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Speaker 6: Not y'all right night,