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Speaker 1: At a book in.

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Speaker 2: Tonight's guest is Dave. Dave, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Vick, glad to be here.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's great having you. Thank you for your time. Dave,

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please give us a brief bio in yourself.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, I'm living Alabama, coud On, Alabama, Georgia

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line in my mid fifties, hunting fish my whole life.

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I've done a lot of different trades in the past

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twenty years. I've did uh fence work. That's my labor.

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Just basically one of them good old boys down here

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in the South. I try to keep to the South.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's nothing wrong with that. That's how you stay

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out of trouble, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: That's the best way I can stay out of trouble.

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Speaker 2: Bit Well, it works better for some of us than others.

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But now I understand, Dave. When you reached out to

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me for the first time, you mentioned the fact that

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dog Mean and Sasquatch had been around your whole life

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due to the amount of time that you've spent outside.

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What kinds of things have you done in the woods

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in close to them?

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Speaker 1: Though? Oh lord, I mean I've been in tree stands

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and had them walk up behind me after it in

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the you know, wee hours of the morning, I've heard

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over the ridgetops chattering just uh and the dog man.

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I just really had noticed him about twenty seventeen. I

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would have never believed in anything like that. I mean,

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I'd have believed in a lot of other things. For

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would have believed in a dog man. But when you

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see one, the whole world changes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that it does. And that doesn't make you any

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different from most eyewitnesses, because most eyewitnesses they didn't believe

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in dog men either until they saw one.

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Speaker 1: That's right. You know, I said, I'd have believed in

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a lot of other things. But just being in the

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woods your whole life, you hear things, and you see things,

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and you know some things you used to and there's

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some things. It's a want of a time thing. And

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if you're out there sometimes you mean you'll see it,

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and if you're not there, you want and some people

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are come and tell you that, Well, I've been it

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was my whole life, and I've never seen nothing. Well,

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you might have seen something and you just didn't know

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what she was looking at.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point. When I hear that coming

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out of one hundred mouth or's someone who thinks they've

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spent a lot of time in the woods. I just

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ask them, Okay, well, if that's the case, how many

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kestrels have you seen in the woods? And almost every

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time I'll get this blank stare because most of them

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haven't seen the kestrel or they didn't know what they

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were looking at. But yeah, kestrel, that's a small predatory bird.

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It's smaller than a hawk, smaller than a falcon, but

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it's the most numerous predatory bird in the lower forty

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eight states. So this argument is a really weak one

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that if dogmen are out there, if sasquatch were out there,

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then I would have seen one. Well, you haven't seen

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a kestrel, and there are more of them than any

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other predatory bird out there, hawks, falcons, you name it.

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So what does that say about your argument about I

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haven't seen a sasquatch or a dog man?

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Speaker 1: And that's right, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. You live in Lee County, Alabama. Have you

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tried to find out if anyone else is reported seeing

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a dog man in your area?

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Speaker 1: I really, I mean there's on Facebook and stuff, there's

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little pages on. Now. I don't prove that stuff. Now,

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I haven't really asked around. I've had a friend called

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he's recently deceased. But he's just a big old man.

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He's bigger than I am. And he's been in the

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woods his whole life. He's hunting all over the southeast.

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He run dogs, a dog runner, avid dog runner. But

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he called me early one morning, about six thirty and

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his first words out of his mouth was, day coursing

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these dead blame wood behind the house back there he lives.

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The crows shot from me, probably about half a mile

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through the woods on a creek back here behind our house.

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And you know, to hear this man ask me that,

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and that just kind of blows my mind. But it

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went around his house and woke him up, got him

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out of bed, and he was on the Bailly Cross

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and to his hall with his three fifty seven in

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his hand. And he said it was out and on

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the front by the creek. And he went out front

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and it would be on one side of the house

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and more or less, howl, howl, a growd. He I mean,

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he said, the way I describe it is like a

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woman screaming. And then it turns into kind of a

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howl and growl, and it's you can hear it a

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long way off, and if you hear it up close,

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it will penetrate your body. But you know, I kind

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of describe what I what I've heard back here, and

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he said, that's it. Nail on the head, Dave. But

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it had jumped off into a ravine right next to

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his and his neighbor's house, which is about forty foot deep.

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And he didn't need to say. He didn't go looking

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for it. He just sit up and drunk coffee and

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call me when it got daylight. But yeah, there's me.

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I've had a lot of folks tell me of a

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black panther siting around here, something black crossing the road,

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and everybody assumes it's a black panther. I have no

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idea what it is, but I've got lots of neighbors

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just seeing that. As far as this other. Now, my

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neighbor across the street, I think he's seen what I've

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seen the way he described it by without me giving

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him any information. So I'm pretty much they seen it

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after I did, trying to get their dog out of

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their pen.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's not good. What kind of a dog.

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Speaker 1: It was a blue healer and it was in like

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two twelve by twelve pins put together. And they had

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the guy and his girlfriend. They've been out riding dirt

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roads that night and they come in. When he turned

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in the driveway, they seen something at the dog pen

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and she said it was had his head stuck in

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through the pen trying to get the dog, and he

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didn't really see it because he was driving, and but

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she said when they turned in, it pulled his head

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out of the pen, looked at them and sprang across

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the pen into some pine trees, just a little pine

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ticket of just seedlings coming up, but they were probably

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about bigg around as your wrist and it was a

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real thick area and she said it sprung into it

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and he shot at it twice.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: He said he's seen the eyes down in the trees

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down and he said he's seen the eyes before the

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lights hit them. He said there was an amber color

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and that's you know, kind of what you know. I

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go by when I when somebody tells me something. If

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they got the amber color eyes, I know exactly what

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they've seen. But yeah, and how he had a shotgun

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with him and he shot twice at it. He said,

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I shot directly at his eyes the head the first time,

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he said, the suckond shot was just uh, you know,

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a back. But you know that that family moved not

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because of this, they just sold the house and downside

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since then. But uh, I hadn't really had any you know,

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thing in the past lately or heard anything lately. That's

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been about two years ago, three years ago when that happened.

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But yeah, that's about all I other, you know, other

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than what I've seen, you know. But like I said,

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there's quite a numerous people that say they say a

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big black panther around, and it could be the same thing,

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because I mean what I've seen is very long, kind

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of humped back and with a very long tail, and

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it could be mistaken crossing the road at nine is

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a black panther. Also, Well, I tell you I have

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another friend and he said his sister seen one about

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a mile and a half from here on another road.

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It's a little bit more off the river than where

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we're at. But uh, she was a nurse and she

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was coming home at night after twelve I think, and

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she said, is she come around a curve? She thought

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it was a person at first, but it was just

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walking across the road. She said. When she got to it,

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she slowed and it had got it and she said

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that she passed it. She looked and it whipped over

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her shoulders and said it was a dog standing up right.

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She called her a werewolf. But I mean, this woman,

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she's as saying as they come. You know, she's an honest,

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church going woman, you know, just and she really was

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not really wanting to, you know, say anything about it,

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but she said something to her brother, and you know,

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he was good with it, and he told me, and

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then you know, once I was good with it, she

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told me. That's about all around this area.

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Speaker 2: Well it might come as bad news. You probably already

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know this news, but yeah, there's new shorditch of dog

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men down there in Alabama. So that would explain why

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so many people, you know, have had these experiences.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, I agree, I really do, you know, you know,

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and you know, and now the what the internet at

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the way it is, you know, people will put stuff

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out there.

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Speaker 1: And who are used to you know, you didn't want

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to go tell everybody in the community you had seen something,

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you know that they think he was crazier therese don't

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you know what you've been smoking or what you've been drinking.

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But you know, nowadays the outlooks changed, I guess people

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either wise enough, there's just more people are coming forward

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with it. But yeah, there's things I tell that you

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that most people wouldn't believe. They think we're crazy.

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Speaker 2: Well they can think you're crazy. All they want, you

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know the truth, and they don't. And that's all there

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is to it. But having said that, let's get down

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to brass tacks now, Dave, please tell us about your encounters. Now,

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give us every last detail that comes to mind.

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Speaker 1: All right. Vick, my son was getting married in UH

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twenty seventeen in October UH second week, and he wanted

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me to cook home a brunch of stew or the

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weading reception, and I told him I would, So I

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got all my stuff together, and a few days before

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the wedding, I went ahead and made the steer another way.

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I cooked stews. I cooked my twenty gallon cast iron pot,

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cook it on a real, real coal fire. I have

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two or three fires burning at the same time, so

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I can get my coals out and put under my pot,

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and somebody's always stirring the stew if and if it's

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just me cooking, I'm doing a lot of stirring. But uh,

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this night, a particular evening, it hadn't got dark yet.

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It was probably an hour two hours for a dust

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when I got started. But I mean, this ski would

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take me three days to cook and put together and

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have ready to serve. And it's two long days. But

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the first night I was had my meat on the smoker,

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and I was boiling some chicken some hens in the

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cast iron pot to make my stock with. And it

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was smelling pretty good around here, and it was it

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had been a pretty day in the evening, was a

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real beautiful evening and had a blueberd. It's a few

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clouds in the sky, but not mean, and you know,

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it's just been a great day. Everything was going well.

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And over here where I was going planning on setting

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up my pot and cooking, I had to move some things.

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So I went and got the long tractor and hooked

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a little waggon up to it, and I pulled over there,

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and I made two good hauls over to the other

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side of the yard where my chicken hands are at,

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and I put this stuff. I set it up over

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there with some other junk should just jump. I had,

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and I had about four or five more pieces over there,

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and each load had took me about, you know, five

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minutes to load it. So I on this last load,

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I went over and I just throwed the pieces in

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the wagon and took off back over there. And as

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I come up, I had been pulling up to the

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chicken pan, making a U turn, straightening back out and unloading.

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When as I did this, I looked down my fence line,

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which I have a right behind me. I have five

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acres fenced in for my horse horses, and I run

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an electric wire and each wire is about where the

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bottom wires, about eighteen inches off the ground. The second

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wire be a little bit over two foot right there,

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around two foot a little over, and then the other

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forty seven forty six forty seven inches. But as I

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turned made my U turn, I looked down my fence line,

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and I've seen I thought it was a code. At first.

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It was darker on this back down its mid back,

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and I could tell it had a real long tail.

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But what got me was the tail looked bushy, I

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mean real excessively bushy like you when you a cat

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is scared, have it this hair stands up. Well, this

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tail was about big around as a chimney sweeps blue.

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That's what it looked like for me. And I am

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not but about at this point, I wasn't twenty yards

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from it. And there's like I said, it's a field

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and it's electric wire. I mean there's not even a

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hogwire or field wire. I mean, it's just three wires

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in between us, and it's going. It's headed away from me,

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but it's the chicken pen is headed is in line

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with the fence line. And so what I'm thinking it's

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a coyote or something that's been behind it food with

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the chickens, because I had been missing a few chickens

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up to this point. And it done got enough to

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where I was really noticing it, and so I said,

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uh huh, I'm fixing to pop me a kode. And

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I had on It's a rough Rider twenty two long rifle,

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twenty two magnum of Ovrol cowboy style gun. It was

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my son's, but I just put it on because I

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was just gonna shoot it some while I was out

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there cooking and getting everything ready. Usually I told her

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forty five. I mean I care it every day. I mean,

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I've got it on me right now, but this this

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particularly evening, I didn't have it. And I said, what

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I mean, I wasn't worried. Twenty two magnum. I pop

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him right behind the head. I know this gun's very accurate,

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the twenty two mag So I pulled a long track

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trap and I did as I had before. All I

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was doing was I just stop it sets parking and

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I let down. I wasn't turning off. I did the

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same thing. And when I stepped off the tractor, I

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looked and it got a little bit further away, but

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it's but it's got to turn, make a forty five

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degree turn at what I call a dog leg, and

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come back towards me to continue on this rounde well,

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I mean, as I when I get broadside and I

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can see it, I have my tea post from my

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electric fence. They're set up sixteen foot apart. I use

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a trampoline spring on the end of each run to

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keep the wire's tart. And if something falls on it,

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you know, I can just go stretch it back up

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for a new spring. Want to be done, but my

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you know, like I said, my post sixteen foot apart. Well,

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and this thing is in this section sixteen foot and

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there's barely enough room to see any light between the

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nose of it and the tail. Now this is before

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it's done, it, before it's got dark. This is a

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righte pre dust hole. I mean, you can still seek out,

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you can see decently, but it's fixing to me dark.

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And twenty thirty minutes. Well, so I took two steps

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and there's I have a gate there, and it's one

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of these old riveted stamp metal gates. And if you've

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ever seen one or used one, you know the noise

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they make when you look at them much less when

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you touch them. But so I walked over and I

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was just gonna prop up on this gate and draw

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good bead on this creature. But as I'm looking at it,

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I'm like, I can't shoot this crew. I don't know

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what this is. I can't shoot it. I mean, it's

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not a it's not a kyote, it's not a cat.

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I've seen. I've seen one cat back here behind my house.

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I've had that on video in any fishing game in

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Alabama or Georgia. Don't tell you. We don't have them

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down there, but I got a camera that says they

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do with a chip. But anyway, this is not I can't.

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I mean, and just walking down the fence line, you

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can tell it's back end, it's hind the ends. It's

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above the eighteen inches not to the two foot marks,

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probably a little bit over eighteen inches high off the

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ground judging from where I have my wires, and you

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can give a taking inch depending on how many times

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I've changed those insulators. And the front of it was

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a good deal above the center wire, and it looked

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to be it looked to have a hump back. You

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couldn't make the head out. It didn't have a long snout.

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And you can just see the head that come up

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the back. Like I said, look hump back. And as

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it broke over the hump back and come back down

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to the head it is. I don't know if it

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might have had a what kind of head. I didn't

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say the head, Uh, just take But I mean, I'm

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telling myself whether you're gonna shoot it or not, you know,

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and I'm having to make all these decisions split second,

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and I said, well, no, I'm not. I don't know

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what it is, so I can't shoot it. What I'm

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gonna do is I'm gonna shoot out in front of it,

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and it's gonna run off, and I'm gonna get uh,

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it's gonna turn this corner, and I'm gonna get to see,

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you know, a better view of it, because it's the

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way it's walking. It hadn't made that forty five degree

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turning it. So I aim and I'm probably ten foot

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in front of it and about six foot up. I

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just wanted to concussion, to go in this way, to

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scare it all because, like I said, I've been losing chickens.

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So I cocked the gun and I laid my hand

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up on this gate and when that thing, all it

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did made one creak. Now taking mind, this long more

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is still running, the long truck. It's still running. It's

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island low and it runs good. It ain't it's loud,

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but it ain't that loud. And the one little creek

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off this gate, this thing turns and it don't look around.

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It looked straight at me in my eye as I'm

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looking it dead in the eyes looking for me dead

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and the eye and there's probably thirty yards in between us.

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I mean it's open grass, and I mean it looks

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and when it turned its head and its eyes they

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got they as big as the bottom of a cocoa chure,

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and they were about eight inches apart. I mean at

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this distance, I mean I could tell that they wasn't

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I had never seen anything its eyes. It was this

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far apart. In my life. That may be a bull

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or you know, a chaos something of that nature. But

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I mean, so, I mean that kind of that's surprising.

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And I hadn't pulled the trigger yet, So I mean,

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I'm sitting there and this is all. It seems like

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it took forever, but it's you know, it seemed it

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went down quick, and it's I guess I surprised it.

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I don't. I you know, I don't think it was

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expecting me back that soon. But you know, it looked

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at me and his eyes was that amber. I mean,

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I'm like, my god, what is this? And I've already

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had my gun up there and I pulled the trigger,

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and like I said, I was about twelve foot out,

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six foot down, and I didn't never see it. I

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mean it didn't. I didn't see it run off. I

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didn't see what it did, like I'd like to said,

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we used to. I've run dogs my whole life up

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until we couldn't or you had to have a lot,

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a lot of land. But I mean, I shoot both

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eyes open. I mean I've shot on the run so

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much it's unreal. And you know, I'm I don't flinch

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when I shoot a lot, I don't flinch. I don't

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close my eyes. And when I pulled the trigger, this

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thing it ceased to it to me, it ceased to exist.

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And I'm like, my god, where did it go. I'm listening,

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you know, my ears or they're working my my, I'm

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looking on my I'm used to looking, looking, looking and listening, listening,

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and nothing, just nothing, my lord, you know, where did

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this thing go? And then I'm like, okay, so I

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had my arm. It's getting darker now because I mean this,

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you know, it wasn't that far before dark. Well I've

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seen his eyes that I didn't have a light or nothing.

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His eyes illuminated their self. I mean, I could still

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have a good shot of his side. It was his

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side corner and away from them, and you know, it

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just blow my mind. But anyway, so I'm standing now,

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I walk back over to the lawnmower, and I take

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my headlight off and I just had to put a

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new batteries in it. I don't know what loom it is,

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but it's very, very very bright. And I put it

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on my hat and I'm turned it on and it's

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got a spotlight mode on it, and I'm running up

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and down my fence. I'm shining it to the back

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of the property as far as it'll go. And then

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I mean, I'm looking out towards my neighbor's house over

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here to in between men and his house. There's an

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old trailer rut there and I'm looking, you know, over

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this way, and you know, I just can't. I don't

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see it. Well, I'm getting ready to go back and

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just go back to cook and stew and I'm running

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headlight up and down the line one more time. And

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there from where it was standing to where I see

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it at, it's probably about yeah, thirty to forty, about

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thirty thirty five foot and there's a terrace in between

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where it was at and where there's an oak tree,

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a white oak, and it has been here forever because

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it take it take probably four grown men to reach

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all the way around. And I had a chicken pen

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down there, uh, and that I put a little cockrel in,

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uh to keep them, you know, keep my hands. And

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now when when the hens had the chicks and everything,

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I had to go ahead and saw them and I'd

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sell the hens, and then the little cockrels. I'd sell

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them also at a flea market. But I had a

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little pen down there, and when I belt it, I

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mean it was six foot high. I had bought four

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by fours eight foot to put as the corners down there.

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And when I'm scanning the listen and this is right

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up front of the white oak tree. And when I'm

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in my light comes by and I say, just a

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little glimmer of something, and then I lock back on

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it and it's two orange eyes and they're not wide anymore.

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It's like it had closed them and we had slits

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and it was peeping through slits right, you know, halfway open.

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Or it might have been normal where I mean where

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I scared it, and this might have got wid I

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don't know. But anyway, I see this and I'm like, okay,

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this is the heigh. Did it get right there? So

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you know, I'm all processing all this at that time,

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so I still got my twenty two in the hand.

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I said, well, if that thing didn't run off when

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I pulled the trigger, I mean, that tells me right

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there that you know I don't like this thing. So

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I cocked a little pauses a single action. I cocked

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it again, and I am right at the white oak tree,

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and this was it was hiding behind this tree, peeping

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out around it, looking up to ward where I am.

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So I shot the tree and again, I just I

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didn't see it run off. I didn't hear nothing. And

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I'm like, okay, And I stood right there. I guarantee

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you I stood in that position for ten womenutes, right

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there by that gate, right where I was at, and

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I turned the line off, I would listen, i'd turn

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it back on, and you know, search over there, and

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they just were. I mean, I didn't see anything. So

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I said, well, I don't wasted enough time doing this.

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I got other things I need to do, because I

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got chicken over in a pot boarding. I mean, and

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I don't know where there I'm at, or is you

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know how much stout water is in there. I don't

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want to burn anything, so I'm kind of in a hurry,

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so I'm going back up out, and I'm fixing to

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get on the lawn more and just come on back

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over here. And right before I stepped it back up

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on the deck, I said, well, I didn't come from

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behind the chicken pan. I'm all run over and check

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it out. So I walk over to the chicken pan

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and I look over in it. I mean, I've got

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ten all the way around the bare bottom of it.

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But I used to look over in the ten I

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see the birds in there, and I mean none of

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them disturbed or anything like that. I mean they're just

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kim as they can be. And you know, I said,

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I we'll turn you know, okay. It hadn't been fooling

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them with them, So I said, I better go checks

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if it's been digging behind it. So I walked behind

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the chicken pan and between I had there's a three

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strand bibe wife fans that filled up a gap of

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about twenty five foot between a feld fans and my

472
00:29:00,799 --> 00:29:03,720
chain links, and it I just had it. And there

473
00:29:03,759 --> 00:29:05,440
where I let my horses in every once in a

474
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,160
while and eat the grass down instead of cutting it.

475
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:10,799
And it really wasn't much of a fence at all.

476
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,359
It was just some wire strunger, but anyway, and there

477
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,640
was about ten fifteen foot in between the back of

478
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,920
the pen in this wire. And I look behind the

479
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,279
pen and there's nothing. I mean that nothing's been digging.

480
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,559
The leaves on the ground hadn't been disturbed, pasted all leaves.

481
00:29:27,359 --> 00:29:29,720
And I take that as I'm fixing a turn around.

482
00:29:30,039 --> 00:29:32,440
I'm on, I'm looking up and gonna turn to my

483
00:29:32,599 --> 00:29:36,200
left and look back down the fence line because I'll

484
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,279
be parallel with the way it was leaving. As I

485
00:29:40,359 --> 00:29:45,880
turned my head to the left, low about ten foot

486
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:50,079
in front of me is these same two eyes. And

487
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,039
I didn't need my head lights, my headlights up high.

488
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:57,000
Where I'm turning my head. You know, I'm looking down

489
00:29:57,799 --> 00:30:00,440
and I see these two slits about eight inches apart,

490
00:30:01,279 --> 00:30:06,519
and it looks like it's, you know, peeping to what

491
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,279
I call it, Like it had done come up there

492
00:30:09,319 --> 00:30:13,519
and got down low and it was peeping at and

493
00:30:14,359 --> 00:30:16,960
you know, I just said the heck with it, and

494
00:30:17,079 --> 00:30:19,160
I had to. I still had the pistol in my hand.

495
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,079
I had never putt I had never hosted it, and

496
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,160
I already had it cocked and as and I come

497
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,839
up with it, Uh, it was already about halfway up.

498
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,319
I just had to move my arm maybe six eight inches,

499
00:30:31,359 --> 00:30:33,359
and it would be pouring it right in between his eyes.

500
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,279
It's got five or optic sites on it, so I

501
00:30:36,319 --> 00:30:38,359
mean I pulled up right between his eyes and I

502
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:44,480
pulled the trigger, and automatically I cocked it again and

503
00:30:44,519 --> 00:30:46,640
I pulled. I just pulled up just a little bit

504
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:52,799
and pulled the trigger, and when it the gunshot quieting down,

505
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:57,759
I didn't see any movement that close when it left

506
00:30:57,759 --> 00:30:59,559
from the pit where it was at ten foot in

507
00:30:59,559 --> 00:31:04,839
front of him. I mean, its head was probably its

508
00:31:04,839 --> 00:31:06,839
eyes was probably about a foot off the ground, so

509
00:31:06,839 --> 00:31:09,319
if it had this muzzle or the bottom of his

510
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,559
chin laid on the ground, and its eyes was about

511
00:31:13,559 --> 00:31:18,160
a foot up where the eyes were. So I mean

512
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,000
that's the way I'm what I'm assuming, because there's really

513
00:31:21,039 --> 00:31:23,559
nothing up there except times draw unless it just had

514
00:31:23,599 --> 00:31:26,319
its head crops down there. But I didn't see I think,

515
00:31:27,119 --> 00:31:31,440
I mean, I didn't the trees, the bushes, we wasn't moving.

516
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,920
And right behind this area of what I'm talking about,

517
00:31:35,119 --> 00:31:37,559
it's where that old trailer is and there's a driveway.

518
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:42,599
It makes a you around the trailer and in between

519
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,799
my side of the property line and where that drive is,

520
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:55,559
it's probably about fourteen foot at the most. And it

521
00:31:55,640 --> 00:32:02,000
was nothing but pivot hedge and it had been cut

522
00:32:02,319 --> 00:32:05,000
at one time flat and he growed up bushy, but

523
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:08,000
the bushes had didn't got up higher, and it was

524
00:32:08,119 --> 00:32:11,160
just more or less the stalt, you know, the down

525
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:15,359
hit at the bottom the truck over it, and so,

526
00:32:15,559 --> 00:32:18,440
like I said, you could see up through there. And

527
00:32:19,279 --> 00:32:23,119
when I pulled the trigger the first time, I didn't

528
00:32:23,119 --> 00:32:25,240
see any movement, and that's why I come up and

529
00:32:25,319 --> 00:32:28,839
just pulled it a second time, and just you know,

530
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,319
case it was out there anywhere, be anywhere close, But

531
00:32:33,759 --> 00:32:36,519
you know, I didn't hear anything. And I stood there

532
00:32:36,559 --> 00:32:41,519
for probably about another ten minutes just looking, and I

533
00:32:41,599 --> 00:32:46,759
reloaded little twenty two May, and I never heard anything else.

534
00:32:49,559 --> 00:32:54,519
And then about I come in and come back over

535
00:32:54,599 --> 00:32:58,039
here and tended my food I had going in. I'd

536
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,039
come in the house and I told my wife, I

537
00:33:00,039 --> 00:33:03,640
don't believe this, and I told her the story there,

538
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,599
and she said, well, I heard you shoot. I really

539
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,200
didn't think that. And now and he told me it's

540
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,279
gonna shoot. I said, well, yeah, I said, I don't

541
00:33:11,279 --> 00:33:13,079
know what it was. I said, it wasn't no cat

542
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:19,680
or anything like that. And so about I don't know

543
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,480
that rocked on. It was about two weeks down the road.

544
00:33:24,599 --> 00:33:29,680
We were right outside the back here, uh, kind of

545
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:33,200
the same area where I was doing the stew rat

546
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:40,319
and we just kind of steak on the grill, and

547
00:33:41,319 --> 00:33:46,079
right by the time the states was getting done, I

548
00:33:46,119 --> 00:33:52,079
heard that scream, high growl, whatever you want to call it.

549
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,319
And I mean the way it starts off, the scream

550
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,599
of it. I mean, it's like somebody is killing a

551
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,039
woman and you were. I mean, and I ain't never

552
00:34:01,079 --> 00:34:05,519
heard anything like it, but I mean it's and it

553
00:34:05,599 --> 00:34:11,280
was right over there, exactly where that oak tree was,

554
00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:16,880
and that's probably about maybe fifty yards from my back door.

555
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:22,760
But you know, I just I told Debbie, I said,

556
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,960
let's just we're gonna go in the house and eat tonight.

557
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,960
And she looked at me and smile said that's fine

558
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:32,639
with me. But now on the prior to this, though,

559
00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:36,639
I cooked stew that night, I stayed out till like

560
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:41,840
four o'clock that morning. By myself, I never seen I

561
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,239
heard anything else, and I was kind of looking that night.

562
00:34:44,559 --> 00:34:48,039
The next night, I stayed out. Uh, probably at the

563
00:34:48,079 --> 00:34:53,719
same time, and you know nothing. You know, I was

564
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,039
kind of looking for it to come back because I

565
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,199
got the sense that, you know, it was watching me,

566
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,719
and I called and surprised it when it left. It

567
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,280
wasn't expecting me to catch it. But anyway, I haven't

568
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:12,119
seen it since. But uh, that's it on that one. Now.

569
00:35:12,159 --> 00:35:15,360
My neighbor across the road, like I said, about three

570
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:20,639
years ago, they had come in and they've been dirt

571
00:35:20,679 --> 00:35:24,199
road riding. It was about one o'clock when they pulled

572
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:28,000
in and I heard the truck come in and then

573
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:32,480
I heard gunshots. I don't think nothing about down here.

574
00:35:32,519 --> 00:35:34,760
You don't think nothing backgunshots. I mean sometimes out there

575
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,800
missing with somebody's chickens, they're gonna step out the back

576
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,599
door and shoot it. If they said coyote, they going

577
00:35:38,639 --> 00:35:40,880
to shoot it. You know, we don't go call and asking, hey,

578
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,719
what you're shooting at. It's worth telling. We'll tell it.

579
00:35:44,679 --> 00:35:47,440
But you know, next day I seen him and a

580
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:51,440
girlfriend out there in the driveway and I said, hey, man,

581
00:35:52,119 --> 00:35:54,159
I heard you shooting last night, and he said, oh yeah,

582
00:35:54,159 --> 00:35:56,199
mister David. He was gonna tell when the story, but

583
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,039
she jumped in there, and she said, oh, let me

584
00:35:58,039 --> 00:36:05,239
tell you, she said, and we turned in there and said,

585
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,599
I looked over at the dog pin, and there was

586
00:36:07,639 --> 00:36:09,800
something trying to get our dog. It was stuck about

587
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,800
halfway through it trying to get it. And we turned in.

588
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,559
It pulled out and looked back at me, and then

589
00:36:16,599 --> 00:36:22,400
it jumped the dog pin and landed in some pine trees,

590
00:36:22,639 --> 00:36:26,280
real thick pine trees out here. And that that distance

591
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:30,599
is probably about thirty foot because I went over there

592
00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:33,119
and give them the material to patch the chain link hole.

593
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:38,239
And it had it stuck his paws, his claws, whatever

594
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,960
it's got, it had stuck them in there and pulled

595
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,239
the chain. Galvanized train had pulled them upon, made it

596
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:48,119
a big hole, stretched a wire. I did fence work

597
00:36:48,159 --> 00:36:52,159
for living, That's what I do, and I'm here to

598
00:36:52,159 --> 00:36:55,760
tell you it takes a lot to stretch some galvanized chain.

599
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,519
I mean, you don't I mean a car running into yeah,

600
00:37:00,559 --> 00:37:02,239
I mean it don't break it, but it's stretched it.

601
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,000
But I mean this stuff right here, you just grab

602
00:37:04,039 --> 00:37:09,119
it and then opened the hole. But when it went

603
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:13,800
in the woods. Uh. He turned as his truck turned,

604
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,679
he said, mister Dave, I seen his eyes for the

605
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,679
lights here, he said, Then when I jumped out with

606
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:25,639
a gun and shot at and I said, I asked

607
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,840
him what color his eyes were and he told me

608
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,760
yellowish amber color. And I'm like, okay, same thing I

609
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:39,920
seen and he uh, I said yeah. I said, I

610
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,360
shot directly at his eyes, you know, his head the

611
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,400
first time, and he said the second shot was just

612
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,840
to follow it. He just, you know, just in case

613
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,719
I could hit it. I asked, what do you have

614
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,639
in He said, buck shot and I said, well, good.

615
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,760
You know he did hit it, but I doubt he did.

616
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,039
I had never seen, like I said, I didn't see it,

617
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:08,480
and I'm that's what blows my mind. It's so fast

618
00:38:08,639 --> 00:38:10,920
when it decides to move. If you they don't want

619
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,320
you to see it, you ain't gonna see it. I

620
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,079
don't know if they jump and then take off. Oh,

621
00:38:16,119 --> 00:38:18,000
I don't know if they jump to trees and go

622
00:38:18,039 --> 00:38:22,159
through the tree tops. I have no idea. But now

623
00:38:23,079 --> 00:38:27,559
I hearing it. I've heard it back here behind my house.

624
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,000
Not as close as I quile ago when I told you,

625
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,159
but I mean I've heard it three other times back

626
00:38:35,159 --> 00:38:39,960
in the woods behind the house here in this area.

627
00:38:40,039 --> 00:38:42,039
We live in down here. It's a rural area, but

628
00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:45,840
it's on it's on a power count Georgia power Country Lake,

629
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:55,159
and it's it's populated, but it's all rute. So you know,

630
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,239
they got to be willing to put up with people

631
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,159
around here. I mean, it ain't that he's around here.

632
00:39:01,199 --> 00:39:03,039
They trying to be by theirself. They r out here

633
00:39:03,039 --> 00:39:09,039
a monsters. But I've had a friend it's about a

634
00:39:09,119 --> 00:39:13,119
mile down the creek from me here. He called me

635
00:39:13,199 --> 00:39:16,440
one morning and asked me what was in the woods

636
00:39:16,599 --> 00:39:20,079
that something had outside his wonder made the office noise

637
00:39:20,119 --> 00:39:21,840
he ever heard in his life. And he couldn't describe.

638
00:39:24,039 --> 00:39:26,960
I asked him what he you know what it sounded like.

639
00:39:27,039 --> 00:39:29,559
I take it this is a big man, very big man,

640
00:39:30,679 --> 00:39:35,880
and he has hunted all over the southeast and he's

641
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,719
asking me. I can tell by his voice it's rattling.

642
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,360
His good friend, and I can tell it rattling. But

643
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,559
he wants to know what's in these woods back And

644
00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:47,960
I asked him, what do you mean? And he said, well,

645
00:39:48,159 --> 00:39:50,960
last night about two or three o'clock, he says, I

646
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:55,599
think it's three o'clock, something outside his wonder made the

647
00:39:55,599 --> 00:39:58,519
office noise. And said, I come to my senses. He said,

648
00:39:58,519 --> 00:40:01,239
I was barely crawling of the hall on my three

649
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:06,719
fifty seven revolver in my hand, and now he sleeped

650
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,760
for the seven under his pillar. I mean a lot

651
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:14,199
of people around here do not necessarily three ft seven anyway,

652
00:40:16,159 --> 00:40:20,199
he said. I went to the living room and sitting

653
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,280
down on the couch, and I mean sitting there scratching

654
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:27,840
my head, pondering, wondering. You know what that was? And

655
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,440
he said, did it again, except this side. This time

656
00:40:30,519 --> 00:40:33,239
it was over up here on the front of the cabin,

657
00:40:36,199 --> 00:40:39,119
on one side of the cabin, he said. So I

658
00:40:39,159 --> 00:40:40,760
got up and went out to the porch, and I

659
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,960
take it this porch is it's uh, he used to

660
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:49,920
be scratched glass in and he's uh sitting out there

661
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,719
on his porch and he's looking and you know, he said,

662
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:56,440
he done got grinding, and said he stirs to go

663
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,440
back to bed, and said he when he stood up

664
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:04,039
and turned around, it did it again right outside the

665
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:08,719
door to the right. Uh, I mean to the left

666
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,880
of where you know, if he walked at it hit

667
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,239
the door to the dick and it went to the left.

668
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,559
So he said, he walked out and turned to the left,

669
00:41:20,199 --> 00:41:24,280
expecting to see whatever this was. And you know, he's

670
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,679
standing there with his gun looking there and his glass

671
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:30,119
light looking and there's nothing there. Which he got floodlights

672
00:41:30,159 --> 00:41:33,599
all around his house, and it's right, it's on the

673
00:41:33,599 --> 00:41:39,480
other side of the deck, and it housed. I mean,

674
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:43,519
it makes this mud curling scream at him again, and

675
00:41:43,559 --> 00:41:47,119
he said as he turned, he seemed like a blur.

676
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:53,960
And he walked over to that side and looked down

677
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,199
the side of his house and up to his backyard,

678
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,920
and then toward up to his backyard is clear. I mean,

679
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:05,239
it's a few little oak trees, and you turn to

680
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,840
your left and you're looking at a creek. I mean

681
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:13,320
it's a big creek, pretty big creek, but still, I mean,

682
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,239
it's just that's in his front yard and he can

683
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,440
say straight to it. But in between him and his

684
00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:23,719
neighbor there is a ravine with granite outcroppings in it,

685
00:42:24,199 --> 00:42:27,440
and it's probably forty to fifty foot deep, and it

686
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,519
makes a hollow and comes from the creek and runs

687
00:42:30,599 --> 00:42:36,760
up between these two properties. And I get he guesses

688
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:41,920
it jumped off in there, but he passed away not

689
00:42:42,039 --> 00:42:44,039
long ago, so I really hadn't had a chance to

690
00:42:44,199 --> 00:42:49,280
ask him if he heard it anymore. But that's about it.

691
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:54,679
I guess on the dog man, I'm kind of figure

692
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,119
that as much as I hear around here and as

693
00:42:57,159 --> 00:43:00,519
much as I'm in the woods, that our probably come

694
00:43:00,559 --> 00:43:05,800
across paths with it. Again. I mean, I'm really not

695
00:43:07,559 --> 00:43:11,800
that worried about it. It had been watching me that day,

696
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:13,719
and it didn't try to fool around. I mean, it

697
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,679
was that close, and I'd been shooting at it, and

698
00:43:15,679 --> 00:43:18,760
it still had food with me. So I mean I

699
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:20,760
I said, I didn't know what they were to begin with,

700
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,000
but on that day I went on the search. That night,

701
00:43:26,159 --> 00:43:29,119
I went on the search to find out what the

702
00:43:29,159 --> 00:43:33,679
dog man was. Uh I had I knew it wasn't

703
00:43:33,679 --> 00:43:39,199
a big foot, and I knew it wasn't a big foot,

704
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:48,000
uh and nothing. I mean, it just I don't know

705
00:43:50,159 --> 00:43:52,599
the height of the eyes. The first time I seen it,

706
00:43:52,599 --> 00:43:54,719
when it stood up behind that tree, I mean how

707
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,079
I couldn't understand how it got that high when it

708
00:43:57,119 --> 00:44:01,320
was on the ground. But other than that, I guess

709
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:01,800
that's it.

710
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 2: You told us about the neighbor that sleeps with us

711
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,960
three fifty seven under his pillow after he saw it.

712
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,400
Have you made any changes yourself to how you do

713
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,239
things in an effort to try to protect yourself from it.

714
00:44:16,039 --> 00:44:21,559
Speaker 1: Well, about that time that that happened, I had some

715
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,880
young punks that was trying to rob us, uh, and

716
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,119
they tried to, you know, come in the house. I

717
00:44:30,559 --> 00:44:36,280
mean I heard them. I have uh catahulas. I don't

718
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,400
know if you know what a catahula is. A louis

719
00:44:39,639 --> 00:44:43,519
Louisiana state dog. They're very beautiful. They're very, very beautiful.

720
00:44:44,159 --> 00:44:47,960
But I keep those in bulldogs around and I always

721
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:49,599
got one in the house. And when they tried to

722
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:52,880
come in the back door, the one on the end

723
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,760
of my bed, he just went off the chain. And

724
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,400
I'm just that kind of guy. Heck, I mean, every

725
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,239
horn them the corner of my house. I got a

726
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,559
loaded gun. I mean, that's just the way it is. Uh.

727
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:06,239
And by the time I got to the door and

728
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,039
opened it, I mean I caught one of them and

729
00:45:09,079 --> 00:45:11,880
it was a girl, but they were they were coming

730
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,239
into robbers, and you know, nothing could have come good

731
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,880
to that. But I put security cameras and motion detectors

732
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,400
up on the house to property, so I mean, I really,

733
00:45:23,159 --> 00:45:27,239
you know, I hadn't seen anything, I think because of that.

734
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:32,480
But you know, I feel knowing that's out there, I

735
00:45:32,519 --> 00:45:35,559
do feel safer because of what I've heard, you know,

736
00:45:35,639 --> 00:45:40,239
listening to your show and to other shows that you

737
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,679
know that the security cameras help. They don't really like

738
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,760
to come out in the light, and they don't you know,

739
00:45:46,639 --> 00:45:49,719
I want to you know, they try to stay out

740
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,559
of public side more or listen. But so I think

741
00:45:52,599 --> 00:45:56,480
that might have helped me. But yeah, I mean far

742
00:45:56,559 --> 00:46:00,880
as our security around here, I mean, so I've always

743
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:06,039
got I pistol alone me, and there's always very very

744
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,199
handy I mean, and when I go out and when

745
00:46:10,199 --> 00:46:12,159
I'm when I'm out in the yard working or on

746
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:15,719
the back here with working with the horses, or out

747
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,119
here working on the fence men in the fence or something,

748
00:46:18,199 --> 00:46:21,679
I carry three fifty seven magnum rifle with me. I

749
00:46:21,679 --> 00:46:23,679
got my forty five, and there will be a twelve

750
00:46:23,679 --> 00:46:31,920
gauge uh twelve gage eight seventy schlug gun in the backseat,

751
00:46:33,039 --> 00:46:36,440
and you know, but I used to leave them and

752
00:46:36,559 --> 00:46:38,360
leave them in the truck. I mean that's just kind

753
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,480
of how it is, you know. So, I mean I've

754
00:46:40,519 --> 00:46:43,360
always got some handy protection so I really don't never

755
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,039
worry about it, but because but there's always the chance.

756
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:48,519
And like I said that day, I didn't want to

757
00:46:48,599 --> 00:46:50,639
kill that creature. I didn't know what it was. I'm

758
00:46:50,679 --> 00:46:53,079
not gonna killer now. You know, I'm a hunter, but

759
00:46:53,159 --> 00:46:54,679
I'm not used to killing. I don't want to go

760
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,320
you shoot something to say I shot it. I mean,

761
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:02,519
I wanted to know what that was. Yah. Now, i'd heard,

762
00:47:02,639 --> 00:47:07,079
you know, prior, you know that the Georgia Department of

763
00:47:07,159 --> 00:47:11,960
Natural Resources had released red wolfs back into the environment

764
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:18,639
and directly across the river from my place in Georgia,

765
00:47:19,559 --> 00:47:25,639
there's a a wildlife preserve over there. There's a campground

766
00:47:25,639 --> 00:47:28,400
in wild i preserve. But you know, i'd heard the

767
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:32,000
d n R had to release the red wolf back

768
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,639
into Georgia and they had turned you know, uh, made

769
00:47:35,639 --> 00:47:41,400
and pear loose overwhere. Yeah, I don't know. You know,

770
00:47:42,519 --> 00:47:45,000
a red wolf can't climb no tree, and red wolf

771
00:47:45,039 --> 00:47:46,719
when it stands on its back legs, it can't be

772
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:50,199
eight foot tall, you know. And I know this creature

773
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,000
was eight foot off the ground down there behind that

774
00:47:52,039 --> 00:47:54,519
white oak tree because I you know, I used just

775
00:47:54,639 --> 00:48:02,039
chicken pen I had built to manager it. But uh,

776
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:07,960
I do feel that that that just kind of throws

777
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,480
it off right there. I don't. In fact, I don't know.

778
00:48:10,519 --> 00:48:12,320
I'm not. Yes, I need to look up and check

779
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,559
a red wolf out and see how they could be

780
00:48:14,639 --> 00:48:16,800
off the ground, you know, but it ain't got the

781
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:20,320
eyes amberized itself illuminate. So I mean, you know, I

782
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:22,920
throw things around in my head, you know, and then

783
00:48:23,199 --> 00:48:26,000
you know, I rethink things. I'm like, nice if you

784
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:27,079
don't waste your time, you know.

785
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 2: Oh sure, when you have an experience like that, or

786
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:35,199
experiences like you had more than one, obviously you're gonna

787
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,760
run through all sorts of options through your head. So

788
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:42,840
it's totally normal that you've been responding that way. I'm wondering, though,

789
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,760
dve if its tail was as long as its body,

790
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:47,559
did it hold the end of its tail off the

791
00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:48,760
ground or let it drag?

792
00:48:50,639 --> 00:48:55,639
Speaker 1: Uh, it's funny you say that big I went. It

793
00:48:55,679 --> 00:48:58,159
was humped back, as I said, and at the front

794
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,199
end of the body was up higher in the back,

795
00:49:02,039 --> 00:49:04,320
and that was very noticeable. I mean, it's you know,

796
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,559
it's kind of like it had a main maybe. I mean,

797
00:49:06,599 --> 00:49:10,079
I can't say it did, but I mean it it

798
00:49:10,119 --> 00:49:13,159
was thick hump back and it looked like it might

799
00:49:13,199 --> 00:49:15,920
have had a maiden maybe not a thick me no,

800
00:49:16,039 --> 00:49:18,840
not a long maine, but you know, an excessive growth

801
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,199
around his neck and right there on his back. But

802
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,400
as it comes down to this, the uh, the haunches

803
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:30,000
back there this tail, it runs straight parallel to the ground.

804
00:49:32,079 --> 00:49:36,440
It didn't point up, it didn't point down. It runs parallel.

805
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,119
Because that's something else across my mind with my I

806
00:49:40,199 --> 00:49:43,960
was looking at it compared to the fence wire, the

807
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:52,199
electric wire, and I use the heaviest uh electric wire

808
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:56,000
that Red brand offers. I mean it's a it's a

809
00:49:56,159 --> 00:49:59,079
very very very thick wire and at distance you can

810
00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:01,440
see it. I mean some of you know, it's not

811
00:50:01,519 --> 00:50:04,000
like it's a little bitty electric while you buy. And

812
00:50:04,039 --> 00:50:06,519
this is very very thick wire and you can see

813
00:50:06,519 --> 00:50:09,960
it at a distance. And I was comparing where I

814
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,840
would think the backbone, I mean, the tailbone of that

815
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,719
tail would be and to that wire, and that just like,

816
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:21,360
I mean, what creature on Earth holds his tail like that?

817
00:50:21,639 --> 00:50:24,800
I mean usually it either let it drag or it's

818
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,760
either curled or at least pointed up in the air.

819
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:31,519
This was parallel to the ground, and like I said,

820
00:50:31,519 --> 00:50:35,719
it was as big as a chimney sweep broom. It

821
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:39,199
looked like a cat's tail. When a cat scared, he

822
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:43,960
just blowed out there. And this creature wasn't scared by

823
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,760
any means. So I don't want I don't know why

824
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,320
it had this tail blowed up like that unless it

825
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:52,360
was like that all the time, or you know, that's

826
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,159
just one of them questions, you know. I like, no

827
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,320
the answer. I mean, I said, I wouldn't mind saying

828
00:50:58,320 --> 00:50:59,920
the creature. I didn't have no intent to kill it

829
00:51:00,039 --> 00:51:02,480
that day. I just wanted to get away from my chickens.

830
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:04,559
I mean, if I run across it again and it

831
00:51:04,639 --> 00:51:07,480
don't make me, no, it don't look at me funny.

832
00:51:07,519 --> 00:51:09,840
I ain't gonna look at it funny. I believe in

833
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:14,360
live and let live. But you know, I'll dish out

834
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:21,639
what you bring. But yeah, that that kind of you know.

835
00:51:21,679 --> 00:51:24,119
I've tried to kind of lighten people in the area

836
00:51:24,159 --> 00:51:26,559
and you know, tell them about it, you know, in

837
00:51:26,599 --> 00:51:31,480
a casual way. And my close friends they listen to

838
00:51:31,519 --> 00:51:34,480
me because they know I don't be this now. Some

839
00:51:34,519 --> 00:51:36,440
of my neighbors up here that don't know me in

840
00:51:36,599 --> 00:51:38,800
that world. You know, they think I'm just joshing them

841
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:43,840
or something, but I you know, we've right behind the

842
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:48,960
house here is a it's an old railroad bed and

843
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:55,119
the tracks and everything's been taken up now, but I

844
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,639
maintain it. I've been doing so for about the past

845
00:51:58,679 --> 00:52:04,800
twenty two three years from behind my house to the

846
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:08,440
creek back here, which the creek kind of just being

847
00:52:08,639 --> 00:52:10,800
you know, in and out, in and out, then did

848
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,880
run parallel to this railroad track. But it's a beautiful

849
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:17,239
area and it's a beautiful air to ride horses. And

850
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,440
it's like I said, it's about two miles long back there,

851
00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:23,199
and I'll take the bush hoog and run it up

852
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,360
and down it about twice a year, and then I'll

853
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:28,119
put some herbicide on it, and I keep it limbed

854
00:52:28,199 --> 00:52:30,559
up with my pole sauce, so you know, riding through

855
00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:33,559
it all you're gonna get on your spider libs. But

856
00:52:34,199 --> 00:52:38,440
we have rode on that back there on many occasions

857
00:52:39,079 --> 00:52:45,199
and never really smelt anything, but the horses pick up

858
00:52:45,199 --> 00:52:51,480
on something. And I mean I had good I got good, good,

859
00:52:51,519 --> 00:52:55,320
good horses. I mean they're very good, and many many

860
00:52:55,360 --> 00:53:00,960
miles apartment and just never you know, any problem. And

861
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,000
then one day me and my wife's riding back there

862
00:53:03,039 --> 00:53:06,480
and we get closer to the railroad bed, I mean

863
00:53:06,519 --> 00:53:08,719
closer to the A's a trustle that crosses it. Now,

864
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:12,079
this trustle, it's been demolished, and only things it's still

865
00:53:12,119 --> 00:53:14,840
there is the concrete and the risers that held the tracks.

866
00:53:15,199 --> 00:53:19,840
You can't walk across the dreams. But anyway, we're getting

867
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:21,599
close down there, and we're gonna get down there and

868
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:25,960
stop and have a drink and a snack, wet turn

869
00:53:26,039 --> 00:53:29,079
around ride back. We did this numerous I mean this

870
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,199
was like a week. Every week we do this three

871
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,280
or four times, if not more. Sometimes we did it daily,

872
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:40,239
just depending on how busy we were. But down here,

873
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,480
and you know, the horses just they refuse to go

874
00:53:43,559 --> 00:53:46,400
any further. I mean they're they're on there on the

875
00:53:46,519 --> 00:53:50,559
verge of standing up and you know, just spinning and turning.

876
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,079
I mean they're sitting there. They don't want it, like

877
00:53:53,079 --> 00:53:55,559
they hit an invisible wall. I mean they're sitting there

878
00:53:55,559 --> 00:54:00,400
and they're stamping their feet up and down, just want

879
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,599
to turn around and go. And you know, we're fighting

880
00:54:02,599 --> 00:54:05,719
them as they do this, and finally we make them

881
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,679
come on back and go on and we get when

882
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:12,239
we go through there, they're looking one way and they're

883
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,800
their buddy ins facing the creek and they're looking up

884
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:19,960
a hill up one way. And we go on in

885
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,079
both both buires did this and we get on down

886
00:54:22,159 --> 00:54:24,360
to the on the railroad bed to the trustle, you know,

887
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:26,639
and we talk about it, but we don't get off

888
00:54:26,639 --> 00:54:30,159
our mounts. We stayed mounting. I flipped around the saddle

889
00:54:30,159 --> 00:54:32,440
bag and got us a drink out and some trail mix,

890
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:34,440
and we just sit there and you know, discuss what

891
00:54:34,599 --> 00:54:36,800
was going on. You know, we thought they might be

892
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:38,880
a cat or something out there, but like I said,

893
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,039
the game wands around here said they ain't no bears either,

894
00:54:42,039 --> 00:54:47,960
and we got them swimming across the lake, but on video.

895
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:52,320
But anyway, uh, you know, we get through the drink

896
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,480
and you know, we put everything in our saddle bags,

897
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,880
our trash, and we turn around and ride back and

898
00:54:58,079 --> 00:55:00,920
we gets back to the same spot and the same

899
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,679
thing happens, except when they get when we come through

900
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,960
this time, it's like they ready to go to the barn,

901
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,679
the barn babies, I mean, and they try to they

902
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:14,679
try to vote on us and my wife and I

903
00:55:14,679 --> 00:55:17,840
would bear experienced riders, and we you know, we keep

904
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,960
them calm as calm as we can, and but they're

905
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,199
trying to go. I mean they're pushing the bit hard

906
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:26,559
as they can. They're sweating. I mean, they don't got nervous,

907
00:55:27,119 --> 00:55:31,920
and you know, we get on them up the trail

908
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,079
there probably I don't know about halfway home and they

909
00:55:35,159 --> 00:55:38,079
kind of quit pushing the bit, but they never quit

910
00:55:38,159 --> 00:55:42,199
sweating on that whole ride. And then that repeated itself

911
00:55:43,559 --> 00:55:49,480
probably about three more times since then. And it's not

912
00:55:49,639 --> 00:55:55,840
always in the same exact spot, but it's always on

913
00:55:56,039 --> 00:56:00,079
the lower end of what I call the end and

914
00:56:00,199 --> 00:56:09,920
closest to the creek from Promise. And you know, I

915
00:56:10,079 --> 00:56:14,119
just I've had a friend that had some dogs kind

916
00:56:14,159 --> 00:56:17,639
of who was a matter of fact, he was training them.

917
00:56:18,199 --> 00:56:21,920
It's been last year. I was listening to him running.

918
00:56:22,199 --> 00:56:24,880
He was training him back here behind the house on

919
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:30,400
his creek, and every every time they had tree. I

920
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:32,000
don't know what I mean, I don't know what he

921
00:56:32,079 --> 00:56:33,760
was training them. And I think he was training him

922
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:40,360
to uh kundogs. I'm not sure, but he never would

923
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,599
tell them. I don't know how. I really don't know what.

924
00:56:42,679 --> 00:56:44,679
He had five of them in the mona dog, but

925
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,000
he had him back here running. And every time they

926
00:56:47,039 --> 00:56:51,840
had tree, you'd hear the dogs just barking hard tree.

927
00:56:52,119 --> 00:56:54,039
And the next thing you know, you'd hear dogs going

928
00:56:54,039 --> 00:56:57,599
to yap and that's how the race. That's how the

929
00:56:57,679 --> 00:57:00,559
race would end. And that went on for about I

930
00:57:00,559 --> 00:57:03,960
don't know about a month, and then one night I

931
00:57:04,039 --> 00:57:06,679
was out there and I heard him. I was pushing

932
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:11,000
him hard, and when they treed, I heard two rowers

933
00:57:11,519 --> 00:57:20,159
or was kind of a war. I don't know it's

934
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:23,519
I heard anything like it, but you heard two distinct ones,

935
00:57:23,559 --> 00:57:26,639
and all of a sudden you heard dogs go to Holland.

936
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:32,679
I mean Holland and Mike. A long story short. A

937
00:57:32,719 --> 00:57:35,679
guy was working worked for me, was working for me.

938
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:40,079
He went and helped my friend that next morning, and

939
00:57:40,079 --> 00:57:46,000
it killed killed three of them back there, and he

940
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:50,880
had to put another one down. So and I don't

941
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,480
he just tore him apart. And asked the guy worked

942
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:55,480
for him. He said, Dave, he said, just he said,

943
00:57:55,519 --> 00:57:58,039
he's tore him apart. I said, you know, there'll be

944
00:57:58,079 --> 00:58:00,679
a leg here and a leg over there. He said.

945
00:58:00,719 --> 00:58:03,119
One of them was ripped in half. Yeah, I said,

946
00:58:03,119 --> 00:58:04,679
what'd y'all do? He said, I just went up there,

947
00:58:04,719 --> 00:58:06,960
and you know, we went over and got the tracktorin,

948
00:58:07,599 --> 00:58:10,639
dug a hole and back and dug a hole and

949
00:58:10,679 --> 00:58:14,039
went throw the bodies off it and covered them up.

950
00:58:15,039 --> 00:58:17,559
You know. He said it wasn't really much f we

951
00:58:17,599 --> 00:58:22,280
couldn't there. And he said that other dog, he said,

952
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,239
the mama dog and the other dogs that da ain't

953
00:58:24,559 --> 00:58:26,639
it won't be worth that. And they, you know, they

954
00:58:26,679 --> 00:58:28,320
was up at the house, just honked it down on

955
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:32,039
the carport. I don't know. There's something in these woods.

956
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:35,320
And I mean they say they travel on creeks and rivers.

957
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:38,760
So we got a double shot at it right here.

958
00:58:40,079 --> 00:58:42,440
Need us to say, well an old Indian ground?

959
00:58:43,199 --> 00:58:44,719
Speaker 2: Oh well, that would explain a lot.

960
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean I got it documented. I mean

961
00:58:48,039 --> 00:58:51,199
in eighteen thirty six when they had the trailer tears.

962
00:58:51,199 --> 00:58:53,960
You know you've heard of that, when they rounded all

963
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:58,800
the Indians up. I've got copies from the Courthouse of

964
00:58:59,039 --> 00:59:01,079
maps that we made. It's a time when they did

965
00:59:01,079 --> 00:59:06,320
a census of the Indians living in this area and

966
00:59:06,039 --> 00:59:08,360
they told them I was giving them some land, but

967
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,079
they just letting them use it. Till they got ready

968
00:59:10,079 --> 00:59:13,320
to come and get them, you know. But yeah, I

969
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:16,039
mean the Indians that it was on this land in

970
00:59:16,079 --> 00:59:18,559
eighteen thirty six. I mean I know their names. I mean,

971
00:59:18,599 --> 00:59:23,400
and at Fort Mitchell down here on the river, all

972
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:25,320
of them it was in this area that were rounded

973
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,599
up and sent to Oklahoma. All their names are in

974
00:59:28,599 --> 00:59:31,360
the marble stone down there where there was a big

975
00:59:32,599 --> 00:59:37,039
creek town on channel of chattahooch you down there. The

976
00:59:37,079 --> 00:59:42,039
Indians that's on my map, they're on that stone down there.

977
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,599
So I mean, and there's you know, you know where

978
00:59:45,639 --> 00:59:49,239
some burials are, but that's they're not necessarily on my property,

979
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:54,719
but they're in the area. You know, we all this land,

980
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:56,280
you know, back in the day, but you know, back

981
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,400
in eighteen hundreds and earlier, was you know, it was

982
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:03,559
all Indian land right here. But yeah, I think it's

983
01:00:03,599 --> 01:00:06,480
probably got something to do with it too. I really do.

984
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:11,719
Like I said, I try to keep open mind and

985
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:15,159
just watch out. I mean, I have to. I go

986
01:00:15,199 --> 01:00:18,840
out here and feed the horses, take care of the chickens.

987
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:23,840
Being hot, I mean, it's so hot here right now.

988
01:00:24,679 --> 01:00:26,960
My wife told me earlier it was like seventy eight

989
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,280
with the humidity it was up in the nineties. I mean,

990
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:33,920
it's terrible out here where I'm at right now. But

991
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:35,679
you know a lot of times I ain't when it's

992
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:37,960
like this. I mean I do stuck in an evening.

993
01:00:38,039 --> 01:00:41,519
I mean, you know, from it cools off up until nine,

994
01:00:41,599 --> 01:00:44,679
ten o'clock, eleven o'clock, whatever it takes, because I'm not

995
01:00:44,719 --> 01:00:46,320
going to get out there. I done got too old

996
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:47,800
to get out there. And the heat I ain't got

997
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:48,480
to it ain't going.

998
01:00:50,679 --> 01:00:51,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't blame you.

999
01:00:52,599 --> 01:00:54,599
Speaker 1: I mean I do my get up and go to

1000
01:00:54,639 --> 01:00:56,519
work in the morning, knock off at twelve, and I

1001
01:00:56,599 --> 01:01:00,079
go back that evening and you know, whatever, whatever it takes.

1002
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:02,760
But uh yeah, so, I mean, I you know, I

1003
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:04,599
just always keep it in the back of my head.

1004
01:01:04,719 --> 01:01:07,199
I mean it never a day goes by, never a

1005
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:09,920
day goes by that I don't think. I mean, I remember,

1006
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,159
I'm looking. I can close my eyes and see it

1007
01:01:12,199 --> 01:01:15,280
on that in my mind. I can see his eyes,

1008
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:17,920
him looking at me right now. I mean, you know,

1009
01:01:18,079 --> 01:01:21,480
it don't bother me, don't bother me at all. It's

1010
01:01:21,559 --> 01:01:23,480
just I kind of feel lucky I've got to see

1011
01:01:23,519 --> 01:01:26,159
something like that. I mean, that kind of en lightened

1012
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:29,519
my scope. I mean, I'm a lot more open mind

1013
01:01:29,519 --> 01:01:33,320
than now that I used to be. Sure I am,

1014
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:38,159
but yeah, now there's some other lands that we've hunted on,

1015
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:40,519
and you know, we've had some other type of experiences

1016
01:01:40,559 --> 01:01:48,119
with I've actually had uh a place we camped at too,

1017
01:01:48,159 --> 01:01:52,000
deer I had. It was during dough days and there

1018
01:01:52,039 --> 01:01:53,840
was the first of these dough days. And there's old

1019
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:57,920
house we stayed at and there was an old farmhouse

1020
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:00,519
and it was built on a breeze, but it was

1021
01:02:00,559 --> 01:02:03,119
a big old house. But we didn't built us some

1022
01:02:03,119 --> 01:02:05,039
bunk beds and we used it quite a few years

1023
01:02:05,039 --> 01:02:09,440
in a row. But you know, I take some grass rope.

1024
01:02:09,639 --> 01:02:11,679
Every year we went put all the deer in front

1025
01:02:11,679 --> 01:02:14,079
of this house that we killed during those days. This

1026
01:02:14,199 --> 01:02:16,960
is back when it was got cold down south. It's

1027
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:22,320
been many years ago. But we'd hang his deer out

1028
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:24,119
there and you know, and just keep it tally on them,

1029
01:02:24,159 --> 01:02:26,159
you know, just kind of show off the other hunting club.

1030
01:02:27,039 --> 01:02:30,760
But we we I had to myself that I had

1031
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:34,559
hanging out there on it and hadn't anybody else killed anything.

1032
01:02:35,079 --> 01:02:37,519
When we went to the other side of the county

1033
01:02:37,719 --> 01:02:40,360
to turn some dogs loosen making drive on fay we

1034
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:43,480
had over there, hadn't been hunting all year. When we

1035
01:02:43,519 --> 01:02:46,760
got back over here to our house. Uh where was

1036
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:51,239
camping at? My My deer were gone. The rope was broke.

1037
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:54,239
One end of it was pouring out toward the road.

1038
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:56,519
The deer were pulled off of it, and you could

1039
01:02:56,519 --> 01:03:00,960
see where something had sage grass, probably up a little

1040
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:05,559
bit not quite ways high. Well, you could see where

1041
01:03:05,639 --> 01:03:09,159
something had just walked off through there. And that's the

1042
01:03:09,159 --> 01:03:13,480
way the rope went. And right directly across the road,

1043
01:03:13,559 --> 01:03:16,920
it was just an old tar gravel road what it was.

1044
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:21,079
Other side of it there was another sage field and

1045
01:03:21,119 --> 01:03:23,519
then a big swamp right behind it, and I always

1046
01:03:23,559 --> 01:03:26,320
got the feeling something was over in that swamp edge

1047
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:28,960
watching us when we kept over the man. Never a

1048
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:32,480
bad feeling, just that, you know, that the perception that

1049
01:03:32,559 --> 01:03:36,239
you being watched, you know, But that same area, I

1050
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:38,800
mean a lot of people seeing the guy that he'd come.

1051
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:42,400
It'd come up on the tracks, the railroad tracks and

1052
01:03:44,039 --> 01:03:47,039
right before dust and it'd stand up there and kind

1053
01:03:47,039 --> 01:03:50,440
of swayed back and forth. But it was always so

1054
01:03:50,679 --> 01:03:56,639
far off that back in them days, I mean, you know,

1055
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:58,840
some people would have a three by nine scope, most

1056
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:01,559
of us had. She used old four power scope. Was

1057
01:04:01,639 --> 01:04:05,719
hunting thick cover and all these It wasn't like it

1058
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:10,480
is these days, just fields everywhere. But we sit down

1059
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:12,840
there on that railroad track at different places and you know,

1060
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:16,920
catch them crossing, and a lot of people seeing it

1061
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:19,960
down there. He always stay far enough. I mean a

1062
01:04:20,039 --> 01:04:23,440
lot of people thought it was the guy on at

1063
01:04:23,519 --> 01:04:26,159
least the land that was next to us. A lot

1064
01:04:26,159 --> 01:04:27,760
of them thought it was him. It would come out

1065
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:29,800
there and just trying to mess up and mess their hunter,

1066
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:32,400
you know. But you know, ain't nobody wants to do that.

1067
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:35,679
They might get shot. You know. I know a couple

1068
01:04:35,719 --> 01:04:39,400
of it floats down down range, this creature. But I

1069
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:44,519
mean I say it and I mean now I say

1070
01:04:44,519 --> 01:04:48,039
it was like maybe three three hundred yards four hundred

1071
01:04:48,079 --> 01:04:50,880
yards down railroad track, and it with a four pile

1072
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:52,840
of scope. You can't really see nothing, said a blob,

1073
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:56,320
but you could tell it was moving back and forth

1074
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:03,199
in this same area. I had turned some dogs loose,

1075
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:09,679
and when they jumped I shot. It was during door

1076
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:11,840
days and we knew there was a lot of doors

1077
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:15,000
in this little block of land. And I went in

1078
01:05:15,039 --> 01:05:17,880
there and turned my dogs loose, and they got down

1079
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:21,119
through there just a little bit. They jumped, and I

1080
01:05:21,199 --> 01:05:24,719
seen about four or five come up, you know, and

1081
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:28,119
I immediately I pulled down on the closest one. Shot

1082
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:30,320
I seen it go down. Watch it hit the ground,

1083
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:34,360
didn't move, and then I found another one, and then

1084
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:38,519
I popped it and it went down, but it come

1085
01:05:38,599 --> 01:05:42,119
back up real quick, and the dogs was on some

1086
01:05:42,239 --> 01:05:46,280
other for these other deer, and the one I had

1087
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:48,719
shot rint run off. I went up to try to,

1088
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:52,199
you know, put it on down, and it had went

1089
01:05:52,239 --> 01:05:56,079
on down toward these railroad tracks and another guy shot it.

1090
01:05:58,039 --> 01:06:00,000
So I'm you know, I say him, he got it,

1091
01:06:00,079 --> 01:06:02,679
and they got my dogs out there, and so I

1092
01:06:02,719 --> 01:06:04,639
turned around and I'm wanting back to get my deer.

1093
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:07,199
And when I get back to where it was at,

1094
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:11,639
it's a big blood pool. It ain't no deal nowhere nowhere,

1095
01:06:13,199 --> 01:06:16,920
And you know, I'm like, well, I know it's ded

1096
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:19,039
with did it's hair where I hit it? You know,

1097
01:06:19,119 --> 01:06:21,679
on the impact? This hair, you know, everywhere is up

1098
01:06:21,719 --> 01:06:26,599
on side of these little pine trees, and I know

1099
01:06:26,719 --> 01:06:28,679
I hit it. So I started, you know, making little

1100
01:06:28,679 --> 01:06:32,719
circles and you know, around this and opening the circle up,

1101
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:36,239
you know, trying to find here. If it's all this blood,

1102
01:06:36,239 --> 01:06:38,159
it couldn't have went far, you know, and it's got

1103
01:06:38,199 --> 01:06:41,199
to be a good trail. So I didn't see a thing.

1104
01:06:42,519 --> 01:06:47,159
And after I probably got out about thirty thirty five

1105
01:06:47,159 --> 01:06:53,599
foot from where the blood was, I seen some but

1106
01:06:53,679 --> 01:06:59,119
it was up about a shoulder height. I'm six to

1107
01:06:59,159 --> 01:07:04,840
one and it was about my shoulder height. And I

1108
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:07,039
looked at Hi, I'm like, and he hate to just

1109
01:07:07,119 --> 01:07:11,440
get up this high. And then I looked and on

1110
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:15,079
up through this little pine thicket. You can see a

1111
01:07:15,159 --> 01:07:20,119
swipe here, a swipe there, and it's headed back off

1112
01:07:20,159 --> 01:07:24,440
in the direction of where we usually seen this. Whatever

1113
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:28,079
it was come up on these railroad tracks, and it's

1114
01:07:28,159 --> 01:07:30,559
headed back off in that direction. There's a big beaver

1115
01:07:30,679 --> 01:07:34,599
pine back in there. And I'm just to myself, I'm like,

1116
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:38,400
if something won't set that bad, it can have it.

1117
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:42,480
I mean, I'm not going down adjasing it. But my

1118
01:07:42,519 --> 01:07:44,440
brother in law come up in there, and hey, he

1119
01:07:44,519 --> 01:07:46,760
looked around and he couldn't believe it either. But I

1120
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:49,760
mean it just disappeared after a little bit. I mean,

1121
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:51,840
you know, it didn't we followed it just be a

1122
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:54,079
little bit and then it disappeared and we didn't see

1123
01:07:54,079 --> 01:07:57,679
any more blood. And the property line was not far

1124
01:07:57,760 --> 01:07:59,639
from us, so we couldn't have went much further with that.

1125
01:07:59,719 --> 01:08:03,039
Tres pass them anyway, So I just decided whatever guy

1126
01:08:03,039 --> 01:08:07,480
it could have it I get meant another one. I

1127
01:08:07,519 --> 01:08:09,559
had it one more over there, kind of close to

1128
01:08:09,599 --> 01:08:13,079
this probably it's about two miles from it. But I

1129
01:08:13,119 --> 01:08:16,239
had turned my dogs loose on the creek and actually

1130
01:08:16,279 --> 01:08:19,119
it's another creek that runs into the lake here that

1131
01:08:19,159 --> 01:08:22,600
I live on, but it's up at the headwaters of it.

1132
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:26,199
But I come through this hollow and my dogs just

1133
01:08:26,239 --> 01:08:28,279
will not go anywhere. They were right there with me.

1134
01:08:28,359 --> 01:08:34,119
I had some real good dogs, blue ticks, red bones, julyes.

1135
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:39,199
I mean, they'd smoke a deer and they turned around

1136
01:08:39,199 --> 01:08:40,720
and come back to That was a good thing about it.

1137
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:42,520
I mean, not to hunt them all the time, but

1138
01:08:43,279 --> 01:08:46,520
now they you hardly ever turned them out, and they

1139
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:49,199
wouldn't jump much less. Never turned them out, and they

1140
01:08:49,199 --> 01:08:53,920
wouldn't hunt, but you could. I turned them loose that

1141
01:08:54,039 --> 01:08:57,479
day and they was within ten to fifteen feet of

1142
01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:01,600
me for about I don't know, probably about a mile

1143
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:07,880
after of Creek Bottom, and they just they wouldn't hunt.

1144
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:13,119
And you know I talked to the landowner, uh that

1145
01:09:13,239 --> 01:09:16,159
was hunting with us that day, you know, so I

1146
01:09:16,159 --> 01:09:18,359
said they wouldn't hunt. He said, you know what, he said,

1147
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:22,079
no dog eturn loose out here. Hunt. So evidently they

1148
01:09:22,119 --> 01:09:26,680
had you know, done it before. And but that's exactly

1149
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:29,439
his words. And you know, their dog e turn loose.

1150
01:09:32,119 --> 01:09:37,279
Since then that area out there has been I think

1151
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:41,640
two sightings out there on that area that's been recorded.

1152
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:44,119
I think with that other organization that records them. I

1153
01:09:44,119 --> 01:09:47,279
don't you know, I don't promote nobody, especially you know,

1154
01:09:47,399 --> 01:09:53,680
some people like that. And and there they were very

1155
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:58,239
recent when they was when they were made, uh, within

1156
01:09:58,279 --> 01:10:04,840
the past I think five of six years. But anyway,

1157
01:10:05,319 --> 01:10:11,920
I've had some up in Georgia, uh like just walking

1158
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:19,199
up on you. Uh. I was young, Uh, right after

1159
01:10:19,199 --> 01:10:21,680
I first started hunting. I was probably about nine years old.

1160
01:10:23,039 --> 01:10:24,720
My brother in law he showed me where a tree

1161
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:29,199
stand was and I'm like, okay, I'm finding it. There

1162
01:10:29,239 --> 01:10:31,439
was an O skitter trail going out there to where

1163
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:33,159
it was at. There was a good tree stand. It

1164
01:10:33,159 --> 01:10:35,439
was up in three poplar trees and It was probably

1165
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:38,800
thirty foot high way. It was real high, but it

1166
01:10:39,119 --> 01:10:41,479
had a good seed in it had sides built on it,

1167
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:46,279
so you know, I liked But the first time I

1168
01:10:46,279 --> 01:10:49,239
went and got up in it, it was early morning.

1169
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:52,359
I waved about, I don't know, forty five minutes before

1170
01:10:52,359 --> 01:10:56,720
it got down. I all went back in them days.

1171
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:59,319
We had a little little bit of pen lights. I

1172
01:10:59,319 --> 01:11:01,399
had a little pen and I walked that skin a

1173
01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:05,039
trail and I got up in that stand. And by

1174
01:11:05,039 --> 01:11:07,079
the time I got my gun cooled up to me

1175
01:11:07,159 --> 01:11:13,039
on the rope and got settled, I heard footsteps by

1176
01:11:13,159 --> 01:11:20,000
pillar footsteps. I heard somebody walking, and I'm like, that's

1177
01:11:20,039 --> 01:11:21,920
got to be my brother in law come in to

1178
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:26,840
check on me. So now I sit there and you

1179
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:28,840
can hear it. It come right up behind my tree

1180
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:33,920
stand and within probably I don't know, twenty foot there

1181
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:39,880
was a clump of small birch trees back there and

1182
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:46,600
a bush growing up in them, and it was right there,

1183
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:49,840
I mean, And every time I went to that stand

1184
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:53,399
that would happen. But come daylight there would never be

1185
01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:57,479
nothing there, but you would hear it come come up

1186
01:11:57,479 --> 01:12:00,199
in there. Every morning. As soon as you got up

1187
01:12:00,239 --> 01:12:07,760
in the stand. I sit in that stand one day

1188
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:16,680
in the afternoon and somebody talking. It sounded like But

1189
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:19,479
now since I've heard what the little chatter sounds like,

1190
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:23,119
and I know that's what it was. I thought it

1191
01:12:23,159 --> 01:12:25,399
was people just that was right over the ridge that

1192
01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:28,439
you know. I just couldn't understand what they were saying,

1193
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:31,720
but it was it sounded like Sammara.

1194
01:12:33,159 --> 01:12:33,239
Speaker 2: Know.

1195
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:36,279
Speaker 1: It was kind of funny. But my brother in law,

1196
01:12:36,359 --> 01:12:42,159
I'd ask him did he hear anything, and he didn't

1197
01:12:42,159 --> 01:12:48,600
hear anything. He never had any issues up there. I

1198
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:52,720
don't know. I always felt like, you know, like I said,

1199
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:55,319
there's something right there that come was watching me at

1200
01:12:55,319 --> 01:12:59,000
that spot. I didn't never feel any you know, bad things,

1201
01:12:59,079 --> 01:13:02,000
no bad vibes. It's just always felt like something was there.

1202
01:13:02,119 --> 01:13:05,199
And who wouldn't when you're sitting there and you hear

1203
01:13:05,239 --> 01:13:07,800
something walk up, it sounds just like what a person

1204
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:13,319
would and you know, especially with how your mind is

1205
01:13:13,359 --> 01:13:16,640
at that age. But I was I was looking for

1206
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:19,039
deer and that's all I was looking for. I didn't

1207
01:13:19,039 --> 01:13:22,640
want no big foots. And then you know, but I

1208
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:25,479
killed one right down from there about a year later,

1209
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:29,880
and they were standing in a big old club of

1210
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:33,479
birch and they were looking back up the hill. And

1211
01:13:34,039 --> 01:13:36,439
this I had done. Had to go to the bathroom,

1212
01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:37,720
so I didn't go on the stand. I got down

1213
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:40,800
from the stand and hit the logging road. It made

1214
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:43,920
a way big loop around from to the where the

1215
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:47,319
loading dock was. And when I got back there, you know,

1216
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:52,279
I noticed there was quite a few deer standing at

1217
01:13:52,279 --> 01:13:54,319
in these birchs and they were all looking back up

1218
01:13:54,359 --> 01:13:58,239
toward the ridge stop. And it was the first day

1219
01:13:58,279 --> 01:14:00,239
of those days up passed. So I picked that's the

1220
01:14:00,279 --> 01:14:04,920
closest one. I dropped my rifle. I've dropped this crosshouse

1221
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:08,960
on her. I hopped her and she hit the ground

1222
01:14:09,039 --> 01:14:11,520
right then and there, and the rest of them turned

1223
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:15,319
around and run toward me and quartered away from me.

1224
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:18,119
But when they turned the room, they come toward the gunshot.

1225
01:14:18,119 --> 01:14:20,840
I ain't never had never had a deer do that.

1226
01:14:21,039 --> 01:14:23,399
I'm always they always going away from the gunshot. But

1227
01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:25,720
these deer turned around and come too. I was looking

1228
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:28,880
up one way, they turned opposite way and come toward

1229
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:31,920
me and veered to the left, like they wasn't worried

1230
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:37,159
about me all. And I went up there and drug

1231
01:14:37,239 --> 01:14:39,800
my deer out to the road. And you know, I

1232
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:42,439
never had, you know, never thought anything else about it

1233
01:14:43,079 --> 01:14:44,960
until you know, when I got putting two and two

1234
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:47,560
together and everything that went on, and how many times

1235
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:49,640
I heard something in the woods. But you know, I said,

1236
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:55,399
there was never a bad feeling. So now I've had

1237
01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:59,880
one bluff charge. And it's real close to home. Actually,

1238
01:15:00,079 --> 01:15:02,199
it's on the upper ends of this creek. It's behind

1239
01:15:02,199 --> 01:15:10,760
my house. It was on my My sister had married

1240
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:14,119
this guy and his daddy was a huge landowner in

1241
01:15:14,159 --> 01:15:17,680
the area, very very very well off. But I worked

1242
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:19,600
for this man from time I was twelve years old

1243
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:24,119
on up until I was in my mid twenties. But

1244
01:15:24,199 --> 01:15:27,000
I had I had run of the land. I worked hard.

1245
01:15:27,039 --> 01:15:29,159
He liked me. I was there when he wanted me.

1246
01:15:29,199 --> 01:15:33,479
He like, you know what I mean. But uh, I

1247
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:36,920
went out there one morning and well, I hadn't been

1248
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:38,920
saying no deer over here where I've been hunting at

1249
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:41,399
or I had been seeing a few tables, all of those,

1250
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:44,840
And there's this section of land over here. It's on

1251
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:51,039
the side Interstate eighty five, and there's an old textile

1252
01:15:51,119 --> 01:15:54,039
mill that sits trup beside the interstate, and this bunch

1253
01:15:54,119 --> 01:15:57,560
of trees. I mean, I mean, this land is never hunting,

1254
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:02,000
but this gentleman owns one hundred ninety acres right there

1255
01:16:02,079 --> 01:16:04,399
next to it, and nobody had really been over there.

1256
01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:07,439
I mean, he hadn't developed in the cow pastu or anything.

1257
01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:11,159
It's just standing pain. So I decided, you I won't

1258
01:16:11,199 --> 01:16:15,359
go over here and try this. So I pulled in

1259
01:16:15,399 --> 01:16:20,039
that morning. And all I'm playing on doing is walking

1260
01:16:20,119 --> 01:16:24,159
through these little roads, through these set out panes, and

1261
01:16:24,199 --> 01:16:27,720
it's cut up in blocks, and it's easing down these roads,

1262
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:31,199
slipping from tree to tree and grunting a little bit,

1263
01:16:31,279 --> 01:16:36,560
and it's scouting area. Well. I mean, I get out

1264
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:39,439
there about you know, forty five minutes for it's daylight,

1265
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:42,119
and I pull up out in the middle of this field.

1266
01:16:42,399 --> 01:16:45,600
I mean I can see their house from where I'm at,

1267
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:50,039
out across this field probably about I don't know, two

1268
01:16:50,079 --> 01:16:55,560
hundred and three hundred yards, and there's a lake right

1269
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:59,960
behind their house, and I just pull up out there.

1270
01:17:00,079 --> 01:17:03,359
I stopped right there, and I didn't want to pull

1271
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:05,840
up too close to the fence because I didn't want

1272
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:07,479
because right on the other side of the fence is

1273
01:17:07,479 --> 01:17:10,159
where this land starts. I just you know I don't

1274
01:17:10,159 --> 01:17:14,359
want to go hunt, so I get out and as

1275
01:17:14,399 --> 01:17:17,960
soon as I get out, shut the door and getting

1276
01:17:18,119 --> 01:17:20,720
make sure sure I got everything and getting everything situated.

1277
01:17:21,119 --> 01:17:24,079
I hear noise coming from right exactly where I'm playing

1278
01:17:24,079 --> 01:17:30,000
on entering the woods at and I'm like, what the

1279
01:17:30,119 --> 01:17:32,319
heck is this? And I listen, and I mean, it's

1280
01:17:32,359 --> 01:17:35,119
tearing the woods up. And like I said, I didn't

1281
01:17:35,119 --> 01:17:38,720
believe in dog man, I didn't believe in Bigfoot, and

1282
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:41,079
so I'm thinking, what is this tearing woods up? And

1283
01:17:41,079 --> 01:17:43,600
it's got to be a big buck. You know, it's

1284
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:48,159
ruts on down here, and you know the bucks are

1285
01:17:48,199 --> 01:17:50,600
they running good? And that's one reason I was going

1286
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:54,000
to go up in here and do a little grunt. Well,

1287
01:17:54,239 --> 01:17:56,199
I you know, I'm sitting there and I'm gonna listening,

1288
01:17:57,159 --> 01:18:00,640
and I'm here in Dick's break turned out to be

1289
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:06,439
trees breaking, and it's all kind of just commotion. And

1290
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:08,239
this went on from the time I got out of

1291
01:18:08,239 --> 01:18:12,640
that truck till about I don't know, two minutes before

1292
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:16,239
it got daylight enough to where you could see. And

1293
01:18:16,359 --> 01:18:18,800
I had done. Now, like I said, I don't know

1294
01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:20,119
if this is a bluff charge. I don't know what

1295
01:18:20,159 --> 01:18:23,479
this I called the bluff charge. But I had done

1296
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:26,880
eased on up to the edge of this fence, and

1297
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:29,600
I'm getting ready to slip up over the gate and

1298
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:33,119
drop to the other side, but I wasn't going on

1299
01:18:33,119 --> 01:18:37,079
each other side, so I could see good. Well. When

1300
01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:40,000
about that, I got over and I said it done,

1301
01:18:40,039 --> 01:18:43,039
got be where I could see, and I hit this

1302
01:18:43,079 --> 01:18:46,359
little logging road and I ease up it probably about

1303
01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:52,199
I don't know, forty foot and it makes up like

1304
01:18:52,239 --> 01:18:56,640
a hard left hand turn. And when you make that

1305
01:18:56,800 --> 01:19:03,319
left hand turn, there was trees, pine trees. I don't know.

1306
01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:07,880
They were not all. They were probably down three four

1307
01:19:08,119 --> 01:19:10,640
five inches in demeter. Some of them they were broke

1308
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:15,640
off about six foot up. Limbs broke out of these

1309
01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:21,800
trees from six eight nine foot out of the it's

1310
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:26,159
ripped off side of the tree. All the pinestraw has

1311
01:19:26,239 --> 01:19:29,279
just been raped down to the ground out of the road.

1312
01:19:30,359 --> 01:19:34,359
And this is probably a section about I don't know,

1313
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:41,439
I'd say, I'd say about thirty foot of the road all.

1314
01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:44,680
And it was fresh. You could tell it was very fresh.

1315
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:47,720
I mean it smelled my fresh dirt. All the palestra

1316
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:49,600
had just been raked up out of it, off to

1317
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:52,439
the edges of the roads. All the limbs had been

1318
01:19:52,479 --> 01:19:57,159
broke with thod off to the edge of the roads.

1319
01:19:57,439 --> 01:20:03,960
But and it went up and it turned and there's

1320
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:07,199
another road right there, and it did this on that road.

1321
01:20:07,239 --> 01:20:09,479
It might be where it started at, and come toward it.

1322
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:12,640
I'm not sure, but the same thing it was up there.

1323
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:17,039
I mean, it wasn't. I mean, I said, this place

1324
01:20:17,159 --> 01:20:19,279
was cut up in blocks. This little road right where

1325
01:20:19,279 --> 01:20:22,199
I'm talking. The first one it was on right where

1326
01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:25,159
the blocks met, so it was on the corner of

1327
01:20:25,159 --> 01:20:26,640
this one, and you turned and went up this one

1328
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:28,760
about thirty forty foot and it was also up there.

1329
01:20:29,279 --> 01:20:30,640
And I said, it was a patch of about thirty

1330
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:32,800
foot long maybe, and the width of the road. And

1331
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:35,439
the road was a good wide road for you know,

1332
01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:38,600
be not and set out pines. It was kept up

1333
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:43,399
very well. And I don't know what I mean. What

1334
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:45,359
got me was when I got out of the truck

1335
01:20:45,399 --> 01:20:47,880
and I heard stuff breaking. And when I got up

1336
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:50,520
and thought saw this stuff breaking, it was up higher

1337
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:54,239
than any deer could ever think about, you know, breaking

1338
01:20:54,239 --> 01:20:59,600
something with this happening. But anyway, I proceeded to hunt

1339
01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:02,159
that day and I went up through there and there

1340
01:21:02,199 --> 01:21:08,079
was nothing. There was no there was no tracks, deer tracks,

1341
01:21:08,159 --> 01:21:15,000
There was no pecs on the ground. Really, there was

1342
01:21:15,039 --> 01:21:19,279
no birds, no squirrels. There was lots of mushrooms coming

1343
01:21:19,359 --> 01:21:21,960
up out of the ground, and you know usually the

1344
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:28,159
squirrels tear them up. The deer too. But now, like

1345
01:21:28,239 --> 01:21:30,880
I said, did this land nobody went on it because

1346
01:21:31,079 --> 01:21:33,760
a major corporation owned it and they kept it fenced

1347
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:37,600
in and you know posted. So I mean, nobody would

1348
01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:40,680
really disturb anything on this land. So I you know,

1349
01:21:41,079 --> 01:21:42,960
the more I think about it, I mean I think

1350
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:47,319
it probably was a big big foot, sasquatch, whatever you

1351
01:21:47,359 --> 01:21:54,920
want to comment. But you know that kind of I

1352
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:57,840
never really knew how to take that until I started

1353
01:21:57,960 --> 01:22:01,840
listening to a lot of well until I seen, you know,

1354
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:04,079
found out about the dog. After I found out about

1355
01:22:04,119 --> 01:22:06,920
the dog man that started listening to all these crypt shows,

1356
01:22:07,039 --> 01:22:11,960
I mean, you put patterns together, you know, and I've

1357
01:22:12,039 --> 01:22:14,199
just got to thinking about my whole life about it,

1358
01:22:14,239 --> 01:22:17,199
and then you know, they're just weird things, you know

1359
01:22:17,319 --> 01:22:19,560
that you kind of put one and one together and

1360
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:21,399
you know you didn't see it, but you heard it.

1361
01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:26,079
And what else I guess that's about it.

1362
01:22:27,039 --> 01:22:28,920
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what dave For anyone who wants

1363
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:31,079
to have a cryptid encounter, I think they could do

1364
01:22:31,119 --> 01:22:33,319
a lot worse than head out to your area, because

1365
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:35,680
it sounds like you're eat up with them. Sounds like

1366
01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:39,000
they're all over the place. But having said that, we're

1367
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:41,239
about out of time before we get out of here.

1368
01:22:41,279 --> 01:22:42,720
Do you have any closes in comments you'd like to

1369
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:43,680
put out there for us.

1370
01:22:45,279 --> 01:22:47,600
Speaker 1: Well, I just like to say, if you're out in

1371
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:53,119
the woods, just be very very careful, keep your eye out.

1372
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:55,920
Don't stop going out and enjoying yourself, but just keep

1373
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:59,960
y eye out because there's stuff out there that most

1374
01:23:00,039 --> 01:23:04,520
paper would never believe existed. And with that, I guess

1375
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:06,239
that's it. Big.

1376
01:23:07,039 --> 01:23:10,039
Speaker 2: Well, that's really good advice, because if we had any

1377
01:23:10,119 --> 01:23:12,119
clue what's really out there, I don't know that we'd

1378
01:23:12,119 --> 01:23:20,880
ever set foot outside again. But yeah, you've definitely seen that. Well,

1379
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:23,119
thanks again so much for your time day, for coming

1380
01:23:23,159 --> 01:23:25,800
on sure and those experiences with us, And if I

1381
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:27,720
can never help you out in the future, please let

1382
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:44,399
me know. Thanks again so much, and have a great night.