WEBVTT 1 00:00:11.240 --> 00:00:28.879 At a book. 2 00:01:27.480 --> 00:01:28.920 If you'd like to be able to listen to the 3 00:01:28.959 --> 00:01:31.959 show without ads and have full access to bonus content, 4 00:01:32.319 --> 00:01:35.560 that's an option. To find out how, please go to 5 00:01:35.680 --> 00:01:44.319 Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash Podcast. Tonight's guest is Caleb White. Caleb, 6 00:01:44.519 --> 00:01:45.519 welcome to the show. 7 00:01:46.879 --> 00:01:49.319 Thank you, Vic, it's good to hear from you. Thank 8 00:01:49.359 --> 00:01:51.079 you for having me on here as well. 9 00:01:51.719 --> 00:01:54.079 Oh you know, you're welcome. It's great to have you, 10 00:01:54.120 --> 00:01:57.799 and of course thank you for your time. Caleb, please 11 00:01:57.840 --> 00:01:59.680 give us a brief bio on yourself. 12 00:02:01.200 --> 00:02:07.000 All right, I am thirty four years old. I basically 13 00:02:07.120 --> 00:02:10.560 live and breathe wildlife in a sense. My dad's a 14 00:02:10.560 --> 00:02:13.879 while of specialist, so like I grew up on hunting, fishing, 15 00:02:13.919 --> 00:02:17.000 you know, anything outdoors. Of course, I've got to learn 16 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:19.159 a lot about the wildlife as far as that just 17 00:02:19.199 --> 00:02:22.360 even growing up, and about nature itself as far as 18 00:02:22.439 --> 00:02:25.719 trees and everything too. I have a going to be 19 00:02:25.800 --> 00:02:30.000 ten year old daughter. She's the life of me. She 20 00:02:30.039 --> 00:02:33.800 helps me go through life a lot better than just 21 00:02:33.919 --> 00:02:37.759 being by myself, and I do appreciate her and it's 22 00:02:37.800 --> 00:02:41.719 a blessing to have her. And also I used to 23 00:02:41.800 --> 00:02:43.680 be a park ranger at one point in time, so 24 00:02:43.800 --> 00:02:45.759 that was also, you know, good benefit as far as 25 00:02:46.000 --> 00:02:50.360 nature wise and learning about things. I like comic books, 26 00:02:50.400 --> 00:02:53.560 I like movies. I kind of game here and there, 27 00:02:53.960 --> 00:02:55.879 but not as much, you know, just being busy in 28 00:02:55.960 --> 00:03:00.599 life and of course, but I take the time, you know, 29 00:03:00.680 --> 00:03:02.639 of course, help my family. Family is a big thing 30 00:03:02.639 --> 00:03:05.039 to me. I like to do that, and I like 31 00:03:05.080 --> 00:03:07.439 to help others as much as I can as far 32 00:03:07.479 --> 00:03:12.800 as anything as well. And I ride motorcycle at times, 33 00:03:12.840 --> 00:03:16.520 you know, when I can, of course, And yeah, that's 34 00:03:16.520 --> 00:03:17.000 about it. 35 00:03:18.000 --> 00:03:21.120 You said that your dad is a federal wildlife specialist. 36 00:03:21.639 --> 00:03:23.560 Has that been a help or a hindrance when it 37 00:03:23.599 --> 00:03:26.240 comes to your encounters and the research that you've put 38 00:03:26.280 --> 00:03:27.039 into dog men. 39 00:03:29.840 --> 00:03:33.360 I'd say it's mostly a helpful thing. I wouldn't say 40 00:03:33.360 --> 00:03:36.039 it's really too much of a hindrance. But as far 41 00:03:36.080 --> 00:03:41.599 as asking him about things like that, yeah, it's more 42 00:03:41.599 --> 00:03:45.520 of a blind eye on that as far as you know, 43 00:03:45.639 --> 00:03:47.599 trying to ask him certain things. I don't know. If 44 00:03:47.639 --> 00:03:51.479 it's just because of the position he is in and reputation, 45 00:03:51.719 --> 00:03:54.000 I don't know, but he kind of steers off a 46 00:03:54.039 --> 00:03:55.520 little bit, you know, mirrors off a little bit of 47 00:03:55.599 --> 00:03:58.520 trying to talk about things like that. He just sticks 48 00:03:58.560 --> 00:04:00.639 to the just the basic, of course, you know, just 49 00:04:00.680 --> 00:04:04.159 the basic wildlife what we all know, and books and 50 00:04:04.199 --> 00:04:08.120 things like that. But other than that, yeah, it's helped 51 00:04:08.159 --> 00:04:11.520 me a lot as far as tracks and calls and 52 00:04:12.599 --> 00:04:16.480 you know, the different appearances of any kind of animal. Though. 53 00:04:16.480 --> 00:04:19.800 I've gotten a lot of knowledge, thankfully, you know, from 54 00:04:19.879 --> 00:04:24.720 him and just him guiding me in different areas to 55 00:04:24.959 --> 00:04:28.199 see different things as far as you know, learning about 56 00:04:28.439 --> 00:04:33.560 adapting and learning about different cultures and things of different wildlife. 57 00:04:33.720 --> 00:04:35.600 Yeah, I wouldn't imagine it would be all I could 58 00:04:35.639 --> 00:04:39.120 for his career if he openly talked about dog men. 59 00:04:39.680 --> 00:04:43.319 So I'm not surprised he's kind of closed off about it. 60 00:04:43.360 --> 00:04:46.480 Doesn't surprise me at all. Now, you also said that 61 00:04:46.519 --> 00:04:49.439 you were a park range of years ago. If that's 62 00:04:49.480 --> 00:04:52.600 a case, did you have standing orders regarding how to 63 00:04:52.639 --> 00:04:56.399 handle a dogman encounter or an encounter that an eyewitness 64 00:04:56.480 --> 00:04:57.879 might have had back then. 65 00:04:59.759 --> 00:05:03.240 That time. No, As a matter of fact, I wasn't 66 00:05:03.279 --> 00:05:08.160 aware of what you'd say, dog werewolves, Yes, I mean 67 00:05:08.399 --> 00:05:10.439 anything like you know, like of course you know, we 68 00:05:10.480 --> 00:05:12.759 hear to see that in movies and certain things like that. 69 00:05:13.360 --> 00:05:17.040 But no, I didn't come to the understanding of the 70 00:05:17.160 --> 00:05:22.360 term of dog man until honestly until about twenty twenty 71 00:05:22.439 --> 00:05:26.120 seventeen eighteen. I've gotten a little bit of awareness of 72 00:05:26.160 --> 00:05:29.639 that then, but other than that, no, I have not 73 00:05:30.279 --> 00:05:34.199 had anything as far as that, just the basic of 74 00:05:34.319 --> 00:05:40.240 the wildlife aspect, you know, what we all know as guidelines, 75 00:05:40.279 --> 00:05:44.720 as far as what we see in books and common things. 76 00:05:44.839 --> 00:05:47.399 What did you think about the possibility of their existence 77 00:05:47.439 --> 00:05:50.160 in the woods back in twenty eighteen when you found 78 00:05:50.160 --> 00:05:52.319 out about them. Did you think it was nonsense or 79 00:05:52.680 --> 00:05:53.639 were you open to it? 80 00:05:54.680 --> 00:05:57.040 Oh? I was definitely open to it. I guess we 81 00:05:57.120 --> 00:06:01.319 can say I've always had a fascination werewolves, but just 82 00:06:01.319 --> 00:06:07.759 just of common cryptids at the time, you know, bigfoot, luckness, monster, 83 00:06:08.639 --> 00:06:11.639 even back into prehistoric stuff as far as pterodactyl, you know, 84 00:06:11.720 --> 00:06:15.480 anything like that. I've always felt, even as a young age, 85 00:06:15.920 --> 00:06:20.279 that there's more to what we've been told, and I've 86 00:06:20.279 --> 00:06:23.160 always felt that there was things out there in the 87 00:06:23.199 --> 00:06:27.480 woods that I maybe not I've witnessed at that time, 88 00:06:27.600 --> 00:06:30.759 but just the feeling of knowing that there's more to 89 00:06:30.839 --> 00:06:33.720 what meets the eye and what is told to us. 90 00:06:34.360 --> 00:06:37.399 He told us about that interest in werewolves you've always had, 91 00:06:38.000 --> 00:06:41.560 but there's a particular werewolf movie that really sparked your 92 00:06:41.600 --> 00:06:44.000 interest in them. Please talk us through that. 93 00:06:45.519 --> 00:06:48.600 Yeah, that was actually the first time I've ever actually 94 00:06:48.639 --> 00:06:52.199 watched that movie. Of course, it's a cut classic, you know, 95 00:06:52.279 --> 00:06:55.839 Stephen k movie, but it's called Silver Bullet. I read 96 00:06:56.079 --> 00:06:58.800 the short novel it was called Cycle of the Werewolf. 97 00:07:00.120 --> 00:07:02.199 I read that after I watched it, of course, But 98 00:07:03.199 --> 00:07:06.399 when I first watched it, like I've watched different Frankenstein, 99 00:07:06.639 --> 00:07:09.879 certain Dracula, different things, even bat black and white like 100 00:07:09.920 --> 00:07:12.399 Bell Legosi and you know, a lot of change Junior 101 00:07:12.439 --> 00:07:14.920 and all this stuff like that, But when it comes 102 00:07:14.920 --> 00:07:19.560 to that movie, there was just I don't know, like it. 103 00:07:19.560 --> 00:07:22.240 It's like after I watched it, you know, my dad 104 00:07:22.360 --> 00:07:24.319 was thinking I would be scared, but I wasn't. I 105 00:07:24.399 --> 00:07:27.480 was just it like triggered something like a spark in 106 00:07:27.560 --> 00:07:30.600 me or something. I was just so interested and not 107 00:07:30.720 --> 00:07:34.360 just interested, but like it made me want to know 108 00:07:34.439 --> 00:07:38.079 about them. But of course, you know, at that age 109 00:07:38.079 --> 00:07:40.519 and growing up, you know, I was told that it's Hollywood, 110 00:07:40.680 --> 00:07:43.160 you know, and certain things, but there was still something 111 00:07:43.199 --> 00:07:46.519 deep inside that It just made me want to know 112 00:07:46.639 --> 00:07:50.319 more because I felt that some part of it, even 113 00:07:50.360 --> 00:07:52.399 though that it was a Hollywood type movie or you know, 114 00:07:52.439 --> 00:07:56.360 on screen, there was something that made that. You know, 115 00:07:56.399 --> 00:07:58.360 as far as you know, we hear stories, hearing their 116 00:07:58.360 --> 00:08:02.079 folklore stuff. But sometime in point in time, you know, 117 00:08:02.240 --> 00:08:05.639 in my mind always thought that every movie or book 118 00:08:05.720 --> 00:08:09.519 comes from something, even if it's a tale told, you know, 119 00:08:09.720 --> 00:08:11.959 I felt like that is still there's some kind of 120 00:08:12.000 --> 00:08:16.480 small truth to certain things, like what could make someone 121 00:08:17.040 --> 00:08:20.279 tell a story of that unless they've seen something in 122 00:08:20.319 --> 00:08:24.160 a familiar way or something that that is you know, 123 00:08:24.639 --> 00:08:28.279 made that kind of thing. At the time, I really 124 00:08:28.279 --> 00:08:31.560 did honestly believe that there was a man that could 125 00:08:31.639 --> 00:08:36.320 change into a werewolf, you know, a curse or a blessing. 126 00:08:36.360 --> 00:08:38.840 It depends on I guess how the person would take it. 127 00:08:38.879 --> 00:08:44.960 But it always maybe wonder, you know, if that part 128 00:08:45.000 --> 00:08:50.519 was a possibility. But besides the man turning into or 129 00:08:50.559 --> 00:08:54.039 a woman turning into a werewolf, just the werewolf, the 130 00:08:54.080 --> 00:09:00.159 creature itself. I felt that in my mind all the 131 00:09:00.200 --> 00:09:03.000 times that it was real, there was something about it 132 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:07.360 that's real. I know that there is prehistoric animals like 133 00:09:07.440 --> 00:09:10.440 dire wolves, and certain things, you know, you know, things 134 00:09:10.480 --> 00:09:12.480 that are a little bigger than what we see as 135 00:09:12.519 --> 00:09:16.200 the common wolf. But as far as something standing on 136 00:09:16.240 --> 00:09:19.480 two legs like that and being a primal animal, as 137 00:09:19.519 --> 00:09:24.759 far as being like that, I felt that there has 138 00:09:24.799 --> 00:09:29.159 been something like that all my life. It's hard to 139 00:09:29.200 --> 00:09:31.559 explain it in that way, but it's just it's just 140 00:09:31.600 --> 00:09:34.679 something that I've always been fascinated and trigued by, but 141 00:09:34.919 --> 00:09:37.759 just that there is something really like that out there. 142 00:09:38.799 --> 00:09:40.759 Yeah. It's funny how all your life you have this 143 00:09:40.840 --> 00:09:43.679 feeling that there was something out there like that, and 144 00:09:43.799 --> 00:09:47.200 then later on, years later you found out that, yeah, 145 00:09:47.240 --> 00:09:50.960 there definitely are things out there like that. So who 146 00:09:50.960 --> 00:09:51.960 would have ever thought it? 147 00:09:54.080 --> 00:09:54.399 Now? 148 00:09:54.519 --> 00:09:57.720 You talked about Silver Bullet, and that's a solid movie, 149 00:09:57.759 --> 00:10:00.799 a really good movie. But present day, is that still 150 00:10:00.840 --> 00:10:03.799 your favorite swearwolf movie or is there another movie that 151 00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:04.559 you liked better. 152 00:10:06.039 --> 00:10:08.200 I'll have to admit it's still one of my favorites. 153 00:10:08.759 --> 00:10:11.039 Another one that had to be honest with you, there 154 00:10:11.399 --> 00:10:15.919 is another one or maybe two that has I guess 155 00:10:15.919 --> 00:10:19.039 you would say kind of almost come to the equality 156 00:10:19.080 --> 00:10:23.519 of being my favorite number like top one, but I'd 157 00:10:23.600 --> 00:10:28.360 say my top second two would have to be the howling, 158 00:10:29.360 --> 00:10:32.639 not just because I've seen that before I've had my encounter, 159 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:35.879 but just the fact of how realistic that was as well. 160 00:10:36.399 --> 00:10:41.799 But also the movie Bad Moon, it was something about 161 00:10:41.799 --> 00:10:44.480 it that just that one for sure when I watched that, 162 00:10:45.200 --> 00:10:49.600 it was something that it was besides of course the 163 00:10:49.639 --> 00:10:53.840 man turning into that, just the werewolf itself as that 164 00:10:54.679 --> 00:10:58.960 has really stuck with me. The features, the way that 165 00:11:00.039 --> 00:11:02.720 actually in the trees, like how it you know, in 166 00:11:02.799 --> 00:11:05.200 some of the scenes that there were killings, it was 167 00:11:05.240 --> 00:11:07.399 in the trees, and you think about it, it's like 168 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:09.960 they don't just you know, walk on, run on two 169 00:11:09.960 --> 00:11:12.840 feet and whatever. I mean, you think about it now 170 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:15.440 then and stuff, it's like, of course, why couldn't they 171 00:11:15.440 --> 00:11:18.360 be in trees too? And one basic thing, you know, 172 00:11:18.679 --> 00:11:21.480 even of me hunting or anything, one thing that I've 173 00:11:21.519 --> 00:11:24.919 found fascinating or intriguing is the fact that sometimes you know, 174 00:11:25.000 --> 00:11:28.919 you never really seem to really acknowledge or really to 175 00:11:28.960 --> 00:11:33.480 look up. So it's like it's something that really would 176 00:11:33.600 --> 00:11:35.200 think in your head, you know it, don't just look 177 00:11:35.240 --> 00:11:38.360 around you, but look up because you never know what 178 00:11:38.399 --> 00:11:39.480 could be hiding in trees. 179 00:11:40.519 --> 00:11:43.080 Yeah, that's a really good point. Like you said, most 180 00:11:43.120 --> 00:11:46.120 people never do look up. If you've had a dog 181 00:11:46.200 --> 00:11:48.399 meaning encounter that you need help dealing with, or if 182 00:11:48.399 --> 00:11:50.679 you'd like to be a guest on the show, please 183 00:11:50.720 --> 00:11:54.759 go to Dogmanencounters dot com and submit a report. If 184 00:11:54.759 --> 00:11:56.720 you've had a bigfoot sighting, we'll like to be a 185 00:11:56.759 --> 00:11:59.679 guest on one of my two big foot podcasts, please 186 00:11:59.720 --> 00:12:03.720 go to my Bigfoot Sighting dot com. All right, cal 187 00:12:03.879 --> 00:12:06.480 please tell us about your encounters. Now, give us ever 188 00:12:06.559 --> 00:12:08.039 last detail that comes to mind. 189 00:12:09.120 --> 00:12:13.759 All right, Well, around two thousand and seven, it was, 190 00:12:13.759 --> 00:12:15.679 of course, of summer, because I was still in school. 191 00:12:16.039 --> 00:12:18.360 I graduated in twenty ten, so you know, it was 192 00:12:18.639 --> 00:12:22.320 I was still a little young. I would be, you know, 193 00:12:22.440 --> 00:12:25.679 going to my buddy's house. His name is Ethan. We've 194 00:12:25.720 --> 00:12:29.120 been childhood friends since then and still actually to this day. 195 00:12:29.960 --> 00:12:31.759 Most of my friends have gone and left and out 196 00:12:31.759 --> 00:12:35.120 of state and moved on, but I still he's the 197 00:12:35.120 --> 00:12:37.080 only one out of all my friends that I still 198 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:41.480 or he makes contact with me. And it's a blessing 199 00:12:41.519 --> 00:12:43.840 because you know, he's always been a great friend and 200 00:12:43.919 --> 00:12:49.000 wonderful friend, a brother to me in a sense. And well, 201 00:12:49.039 --> 00:12:51.639 you know, of course we've always had our adventures like 202 00:12:51.679 --> 00:12:53.440 any kind of kid would do, you know, just have 203 00:12:53.559 --> 00:12:55.759 your out in the wilderness or out and you know 204 00:12:55.960 --> 00:13:00.159 type thing being wild kids as we were now. Now, 205 00:13:00.279 --> 00:13:02.320 the bus driver, you know, of course, was a family 206 00:13:02.360 --> 00:13:04.799 friend of my mom and family friend of his mom. 207 00:13:05.559 --> 00:13:08.679 So if I ever asked my mom, you know, could 208 00:13:08.679 --> 00:13:11.080 I go over to Ethan's you know, of course I 209 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:13.039 would ask him, and he would ask his mom, and 210 00:13:13.080 --> 00:13:15.440 his mom would tell the bus driver too, you know, 211 00:13:15.559 --> 00:13:18.799 And so I was able to get off at his house. Now, 212 00:13:18.840 --> 00:13:22.080 he didn't live very far from me, even from my 213 00:13:22.559 --> 00:13:26.120 home itself, and of course my Papa's house, which I 214 00:13:26.279 --> 00:13:29.240 will explain a little bit more of the occurrences that 215 00:13:29.320 --> 00:13:33.600 happened there. He lived in development right there, like with 216 00:13:33.679 --> 00:13:36.320 you know, like a development of houses and stuff. So 217 00:13:36.799 --> 00:13:38.320 I would get off the bus to his house, and 218 00:13:38.440 --> 00:13:40.639 usually the first thing we'd do is run inside his house, 219 00:13:40.720 --> 00:13:44.080 drop our book bags off, and get us some mountain 220 00:13:44.159 --> 00:13:48.159 dew and slim gym and so like cool kids, you know, 221 00:13:48.279 --> 00:13:50.159 and the first thing we want to do is go 222 00:13:50.200 --> 00:13:53.799 out and build a fort and have our adventures in 223 00:13:53.840 --> 00:13:58.519 the woods. Well will you do that? Quite often there 224 00:13:58.600 --> 00:14:01.440 was you know, obviously the tsurants. That started it all 225 00:14:02.480 --> 00:14:05.840 was we decided to, you know, go out there, and 226 00:14:05.879 --> 00:14:08.000 we wanted to build a fort, like I was saying before, 227 00:14:08.960 --> 00:14:10.879 So we were like, okay, well, in order to build 228 00:14:10.879 --> 00:14:12.679 a fort, you know, we need sticks, you know, we 229 00:14:12.679 --> 00:14:15.519 need certain things odds and ends. Well, his dad was 230 00:14:16.879 --> 00:14:19.720 usually gone quite a bit. His dad used to work 231 00:14:19.840 --> 00:14:24.080 doing railroad stuff. But before then he was actually a 232 00:14:24.159 --> 00:14:27.360 guy that he was in previous military. But he also 233 00:14:27.440 --> 00:14:30.600 after that then he was kind of like protecting the 234 00:14:30.639 --> 00:14:35.440 forests in different states for make sure maintain that there 235 00:14:35.480 --> 00:14:39.799 was no wildfires and certain things like that. So but 236 00:14:40.639 --> 00:14:42.679 after that, of course he started working on the railroad, 237 00:14:42.720 --> 00:14:45.879 so he was working fourteen hours a day. He come 238 00:14:45.960 --> 00:14:48.840 home on the weekends at the time, so he was 239 00:14:48.879 --> 00:14:50.759 gone a lot of times. But when he was home, 240 00:14:51.440 --> 00:14:54.759 he was in his project, was building a pool barn 241 00:14:55.279 --> 00:14:57.120 in his backyard and it was a pretty big sized 242 00:14:57.159 --> 00:15:00.159 pool barn. So and of course he had left over 243 00:15:00.240 --> 00:15:02.039 wood and stuff and we would ask him, or he 244 00:15:02.080 --> 00:15:04.759 would ask him, you know, you know, could we use 245 00:15:04.759 --> 00:15:06.559 this for such and such, you know, for the Fords 246 00:15:06.559 --> 00:15:09.720 and everything, and he said, yeah, go ahead, So we 247 00:15:09.720 --> 00:15:12.159 we would load up his little sled that he had 248 00:15:12.200 --> 00:15:14.240 this lift. It was kind of broken, so you couldn't 249 00:15:14.279 --> 00:15:16.759 use it for of course sledding anymore for snow, you know. 250 00:15:17.399 --> 00:15:19.600 So we would have a little rope on it and 251 00:15:19.759 --> 00:15:22.240 we would throw all the wood in there. And we 252 00:15:22.559 --> 00:15:24.879 there was a rock fence that actually built a flat rock, 253 00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:27.279 you know like so it was a fence build withether 254 00:15:27.399 --> 00:15:30.840 like at old times. So we would lift one he 255 00:15:30.840 --> 00:15:32.519 would lift one end, I'd lift the other and lift 256 00:15:32.559 --> 00:15:36.320 it over that and we'd cross over that and and 257 00:15:36.480 --> 00:15:40.399 we would had our adventure into the spot where where 258 00:15:40.440 --> 00:15:42.919 we would locate a you know, good spot for the 259 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:47.159 for the ford. Now there's a cornfield out through there. 260 00:15:47.879 --> 00:15:50.080 The farmer would always have a cornfield. And the good 261 00:15:50.159 --> 00:15:52.919 partner good news is my dad, of course, being not 262 00:15:52.960 --> 00:15:56.200 just a wildless specialist, but you know he did soil 263 00:15:56.240 --> 00:15:59.200 and water and stuff too, and crop damage and certain things, 264 00:15:59.200 --> 00:16:02.600 so he knew a lot of the farmers. So one 265 00:16:02.639 --> 00:16:06.559 time the farmer was out through you know, doing his 266 00:16:06.720 --> 00:16:09.159 dute easier like he does, you know, for the crops, 267 00:16:10.039 --> 00:16:13.320 and I stopped and asked him, you know, could we 268 00:16:13.840 --> 00:16:15.679 as long as you don't make a mess and just 269 00:16:15.799 --> 00:16:19.279 you know, destroy or mess up the crops that he 270 00:16:19.360 --> 00:16:21.559 had out there, which, of course for we were respectful 271 00:16:21.600 --> 00:16:24.679 for that. As wild as we were, we still had 272 00:16:24.679 --> 00:16:26.759 to respect for you know, things like that, of course. 273 00:16:28.480 --> 00:16:32.200 And so while you know, while the corn was growing, 274 00:16:32.240 --> 00:16:36.320 we would we would walk and you know the side 275 00:16:36.360 --> 00:16:38.080 of it, you know, the side, so it was kind 276 00:16:38.080 --> 00:16:40.440 of like from his house. From the back of it, 277 00:16:40.440 --> 00:16:42.799 it was like a giant l So like we'd make 278 00:16:42.840 --> 00:16:45.440 that long stretch to the one end and then go 279 00:16:45.480 --> 00:16:48.200 straight forward, so we would actually over the fence. We'd 280 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:53.879 go straight right and straight forward, and there was crop, 281 00:16:54.039 --> 00:16:56.440 of course in front of us, but to the right 282 00:16:56.720 --> 00:16:59.240 over from the crop there was woods, and then to 283 00:16:59.320 --> 00:17:01.320 the front of the side there was woods end. Then 284 00:17:01.360 --> 00:17:04.200 there was woods way out in front. So we decided 285 00:17:04.279 --> 00:17:07.279 right there at that corner peak, we would you know, 286 00:17:07.400 --> 00:17:09.880 dive in right through the dense kind of a little 287 00:17:09.880 --> 00:17:13.319 bit right there until we find a good decent opening. 288 00:17:14.200 --> 00:17:16.960 And you know, obviously we looked around and we found 289 00:17:16.960 --> 00:17:19.079 a good spot and said, okay, this, this would be perfect. 290 00:17:19.720 --> 00:17:22.839 So you know, we would take our little pocket knives 291 00:17:22.880 --> 00:17:25.039 and carve out you know, like sharpened little things and 292 00:17:25.119 --> 00:17:27.480 cut up sticks and stuff and stick in the ground 293 00:17:27.519 --> 00:17:30.079 to make like a kind of like you know, like 294 00:17:30.079 --> 00:17:32.359 a little base area around like you know, like a 295 00:17:33.039 --> 00:17:37.240 to start off like forty two wise, and then we 296 00:17:37.240 --> 00:17:40.000 would start using of course the flat pieces that you 297 00:17:40.000 --> 00:17:42.559 would have for like sighting and the roofing parts like 298 00:17:42.640 --> 00:17:45.519 plywood and certain things. We'd use that for the walls, 299 00:17:46.319 --> 00:17:49.000 and of course later on we'd top it off with 300 00:17:49.039 --> 00:17:51.400 a tarp. And I so happened to go get a tarp. 301 00:17:51.480 --> 00:17:53.920 It was camouflage and it made it even perfect, you know, 302 00:17:54.000 --> 00:17:57.519 to fit in with everything. So we would do that, 303 00:17:57.599 --> 00:17:59.799 and then you know, we had our fort be in 304 00:17:59.799 --> 00:18:01.799 the kids and we'd talk about at the school of 305 00:18:01.799 --> 00:18:06.200 course and everything, and you know, it was kind of cool. 306 00:18:06.559 --> 00:18:11.480 It was important. We called it Little Fort Knox actually, 307 00:18:12.799 --> 00:18:14.799 so it was. It was just one of those things 308 00:18:14.839 --> 00:18:17.920 that just a fellowship and the thing we did together. 309 00:18:17.960 --> 00:18:19.680 And we'd sit in after it was done, you know, 310 00:18:20.039 --> 00:18:22.640 sit and talk about things and you know, act like 311 00:18:22.680 --> 00:18:25.640 we were like war heroes and you know kind of things, 312 00:18:25.640 --> 00:18:29.960 you know, little military, you know, and but we would 313 00:18:30.599 --> 00:18:34.279 do that. And of course, you know by some of 314 00:18:34.279 --> 00:18:36.880 the friends here and that here and there, he had 315 00:18:36.920 --> 00:18:39.200 a buddy of course that a couple of them that 316 00:18:39.359 --> 00:18:41.640 lived in development as well, a couple of years younger 317 00:18:41.640 --> 00:18:44.759 than us that wanted to join along and see the 318 00:18:44.799 --> 00:18:46.960 fort and you know and everything. So you know, we 319 00:18:47.000 --> 00:18:49.640 would kind of have like an initiation like say the 320 00:18:49.680 --> 00:18:52.200 past word, you know, like kids, you know you do 321 00:18:52.240 --> 00:18:55.640 and everything, and you know, we had add one by one, 322 00:18:55.720 --> 00:18:58.920 you know, certain friends and stuff that would be make 323 00:18:58.960 --> 00:19:02.039 our like kind of the movie Seeing King, Stephen King's it, 324 00:19:02.160 --> 00:19:04.559 you know, like the Losers Club, So we would have 325 00:19:04.680 --> 00:19:08.599 like our own club like together in a sense. It 326 00:19:08.720 --> 00:19:12.680 so happened that it just happened just during the summer 327 00:19:13.720 --> 00:19:16.079 the same year, of course, after because it didn't take 328 00:19:16.119 --> 00:19:18.160 long to build it and everything, you know, maybe three 329 00:19:18.200 --> 00:19:22.920 or four days, you know, after school, but it took 330 00:19:23.240 --> 00:19:26.039 you know, just this one particular day. I'm pretty sure 331 00:19:26.079 --> 00:19:27.839 it was on a Friday, because I got to stay 332 00:19:27.880 --> 00:19:30.000 the night at his house and I used to stay 333 00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:33.960 on the weekends, you know. So we were getting ready 334 00:19:33.960 --> 00:19:38.119 to go back there and James went over. He went 335 00:19:38.160 --> 00:19:41.920 over first, one of the buddies, you know, Ethan was 336 00:19:41.920 --> 00:19:43.279 more friends with him than I was, but he was 337 00:19:43.319 --> 00:19:47.279 still a friend of mine. He went over first, Then 338 00:19:47.359 --> 00:19:50.599 Ethan went across, and then I hopped on a little cross. 339 00:19:50.640 --> 00:19:52.200 I was more of the happier one out of the bunch, 340 00:19:52.240 --> 00:19:54.640 because they were more skinnier. I was more of a 341 00:19:54.680 --> 00:20:00.000 little bit of bigger kid. But so at the time, 342 00:20:00.119 --> 00:20:01.440 you know, we did that, and as soon as I 343 00:20:01.480 --> 00:20:04.039 went over that the rock fence, I just looked up 344 00:20:04.599 --> 00:20:07.119 and the corn at the time, you know, obviously it 345 00:20:07.160 --> 00:20:09.759 wasn't like tall tall. It was probably about waist high, 346 00:20:10.480 --> 00:20:13.119 just growing, you know, getting there, getting this way up 347 00:20:13.880 --> 00:20:17.759 and uh right, we're kind of our forts at right 348 00:20:17.759 --> 00:20:21.000 there at that kind of curve end after you make 349 00:20:21.039 --> 00:20:23.680 that right and straight across, you know, like it makes 350 00:20:23.720 --> 00:20:26.079 like another curve to the left of a like a 351 00:20:26.160 --> 00:20:33.480 length of woods. Well, there was this white, bushy looking 352 00:20:33.720 --> 00:20:36.319 face that that's the first thing that I seen, sticking 353 00:20:36.960 --> 00:20:38.680 just thick woods. And then you just see that, and 354 00:20:38.720 --> 00:20:41.640 I like stopped and looked and you could just see 355 00:20:41.640 --> 00:20:43.359 it and you see all the trees and leaves moving, 356 00:20:43.400 --> 00:20:46.039 but that was staying still. And of course it was about, 357 00:20:46.119 --> 00:20:49.799 you know, pretty good height wise up, so it was 358 00:20:49.880 --> 00:20:55.240 kind of unusual. And I just said Ethan, and he 359 00:20:55.279 --> 00:20:59.640 said yeah, and I said, you're probably not gonna believe me, 360 00:20:59.680 --> 00:21:01.640 and he stopped and he looked at me and he said, 361 00:21:01.640 --> 00:21:07.640 try me. I said, okay, so I just seen a 362 00:21:07.680 --> 00:21:12.079 big head that's white, like a big bulky looking ahead. 363 00:21:12.519 --> 00:21:14.480 And he looked at me and he looked over at James, 364 00:21:14.480 --> 00:21:16.160 and James looked at him and then me and went, 365 00:21:16.640 --> 00:21:18.640 you've seen it too. And I said, what do you 366 00:21:18.640 --> 00:21:20.200 mean you've seen it too? And he says, we've been 367 00:21:20.200 --> 00:21:23.480 seeing because of course they went out more you know, together, 368 00:21:23.519 --> 00:21:25.799 because he lives not even two houses from him, so 369 00:21:25.839 --> 00:21:27.759 they of course they went out more than you know 370 00:21:28.119 --> 00:21:33.839 together when I couldn't come over, so I said, don't 371 00:21:33.839 --> 00:21:35.960 be pulling my leg and they're like, He's like, bro, 372 00:21:36.079 --> 00:21:38.480 we're not pulling your leg. This is what we believe. 373 00:21:38.519 --> 00:21:41.759 You trust me. We've been seeing this. So I said, 374 00:21:42.160 --> 00:21:44.400 you've been seeing this too, and he says, yes. We 375 00:21:44.480 --> 00:21:46.519 just didn't want to say nothing. That's why he said that. 376 00:21:46.559 --> 00:21:48.319 He told me, he said try me, because he went 377 00:21:48.400 --> 00:21:51.000 to see what I seen first. So then they came 378 00:21:51.079 --> 00:21:53.680 and gave him a confirmation, and James course gave him 379 00:21:53.720 --> 00:21:58.319 confirmation that okay, they're not just seeing stuff, just seeing 380 00:21:58.359 --> 00:22:01.079 things out of the blue, you know, with their eyes, 381 00:22:01.119 --> 00:22:03.480 you know, like just some aspiration or something you know, 382 00:22:04.160 --> 00:22:08.559 so I was like, okay, you know, and and a 383 00:22:08.640 --> 00:22:10.799 couple occasions they said that they would see it too, 384 00:22:10.920 --> 00:22:12.519 you know, and it would stick half its body out 385 00:22:12.519 --> 00:22:15.640 and go back in the woods. And so we would 386 00:22:15.720 --> 00:22:17.359 kind of talk about a little bit and I was like, well, 387 00:22:18.240 --> 00:22:20.039 I'm still going to go back there, and he said, well, yeah, 388 00:22:20.079 --> 00:22:23.119 well let's just kind of walk a hofle slow, so, 389 00:22:23.279 --> 00:22:24.680 you know. And I didn't blame him because I kind 390 00:22:24.680 --> 00:22:26.759 of got a little on edge on that. I was like, okay, 391 00:22:26.960 --> 00:22:32.680 you know. So while we were walking back there, we 392 00:22:32.880 --> 00:22:35.960 found right and like, and this is the thing that's 393 00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:41.039 crazy when I noticed this. Anytime we've been together, like 394 00:22:41.119 --> 00:22:45.200 we've walked together or done anything, it I'm sensitive to 395 00:22:45.319 --> 00:22:47.440 like the paranormal and certain things and almost like in 396 00:22:47.480 --> 00:22:50.039 an mpath too. But all my life I've been kind 397 00:22:50.079 --> 00:22:53.480 of like have paranormal activity and certain things too. Things 398 00:22:53.599 --> 00:22:55.759 my family has too, of my mom's sipes for sure. 399 00:22:56.279 --> 00:23:01.039 But when we're together, it's, like I'm telling you, it's 400 00:23:01.119 --> 00:23:04.839 like we open a door or something or or it's 401 00:23:04.920 --> 00:23:09.519