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Speaker 2: welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Vic, it's good to hear from you. Thank
Speaker 1: you for having me on here as well.
Speaker 2: Oh you know, you're welcome. It's great to have you,
Speaker 2: and of course thank you for your time. Caleb, please
Speaker 2: give us a brief bio on yourself.
Speaker 1: All right, I am thirty four years old. I basically
Speaker 1: live and breathe wildlife in a sense. My dad's a
Speaker 1: while of specialist, so like I grew up on hunting, fishing,
Speaker 1: you know, anything outdoors. Of course, I've got to learn
Speaker 1: a lot about the wildlife as far as that just
Speaker 1: even growing up, and about nature itself as far as
Speaker 1: trees and everything too. I have a going to be
Speaker 1: ten year old daughter. She's the life of me. She
Speaker 1: helps me go through life a lot better than just
Speaker 1: being by myself, and I do appreciate her and it's
Speaker 1: a blessing to have her. And also I used to
Speaker 1: be a park ranger at one point in time, so
Speaker 1: that was also, you know, good benefit as far as
Speaker 1: nature wise and learning about things. I like comic books,
Speaker 1: I like movies. I kind of game here and there,
Speaker 1: but not as much, you know, just being busy in
Speaker 1: life and of course, but I take the time, you know,
Speaker 1: of course, help my family. Family is a big thing
Speaker 1: to me. I like to do that, and I like
Speaker 1: to help others as much as I can as far
Speaker 1: as anything as well. And I ride motorcycle at times,
Speaker 1: you know, when I can, of course, And yeah, that's
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 2: You said that your dad is a federal wildlife specialist.
Speaker 2: Has that been a help or a hindrance when it
Speaker 2: comes to your encounters and the research that you've put
Speaker 2: into dog men.
Speaker 1: I'd say it's mostly a helpful thing. I wouldn't say
Speaker 1: it's really too much of a hindrance. But as far
Speaker 1: as asking him about things like that, yeah, it's more
Speaker 1: of a blind eye on that as far as you know,
Speaker 1: trying to ask him certain things. I don't know. If
Speaker 1: it's just because of the position he is in and reputation,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but he kind of steers off a
Speaker 1: little bit, you know, mirrors off a little bit of
Speaker 1: trying to talk about things like that. He just sticks
Speaker 1: to the just the basic, of course, you know, just
Speaker 1: the basic wildlife what we all know, and books and
Speaker 1: things like that. But other than that, yeah, it's helped
Speaker 1: me a lot as far as tracks and calls and
Speaker 1: you know, the different appearances of any kind of animal. Though.
Speaker 1: I've gotten a lot of knowledge, thankfully, you know, from
Speaker 1: him and just him guiding me in different areas to
Speaker 1: see different things as far as you know, learning about
Speaker 1: adapting and learning about different cultures and things of different wildlife.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't imagine it would be all I could
Speaker 2: for his career if he openly talked about dog men.
Speaker 2: So I'm not surprised he's kind of closed off about it.
Speaker 2: Doesn't surprise me at all. Now, you also said that
Speaker 2: you were a park range of years ago. If that's
Speaker 2: a case, did you have standing orders regarding how to
Speaker 2: handle a dogman encounter or an encounter that an eyewitness
Speaker 2: might have had back then.
Speaker 1: That time. No, As a matter of fact, I wasn't
Speaker 1: aware of what you'd say, dog werewolves, Yes, I mean
Speaker 1: anything like you know, like of course you know, we
Speaker 1: hear to see that in movies and certain things like that.
Speaker 1: But no, I didn't come to the understanding of the
Speaker 1: term of dog man until honestly until about twenty twenty
Speaker 1: seventeen eighteen. I've gotten a little bit of awareness of
Speaker 1: that then, but other than that, no, I have not
Speaker 1: had anything as far as that, just the basic of
Speaker 1: the wildlife aspect, you know, what we all know as guidelines,
Speaker 1: as far as what we see in books and common things.
Speaker 2: What did you think about the possibility of their existence
Speaker 2: in the woods back in twenty eighteen when you found
Speaker 2: out about them. Did you think it was nonsense or
Speaker 2: were you open to it?
Speaker 1: Oh? I was definitely open to it. I guess we
Speaker 1: can say I've always had a fascination werewolves, but just
Speaker 1: just of common cryptids at the time, you know, bigfoot, luckness, monster,
Speaker 1: even back into prehistoric stuff as far as pterodactyl, you know,
Speaker 1: anything like that. I've always felt, even as a young age,
Speaker 1: that there's more to what we've been told, and I've
Speaker 1: always felt that there was things out there in the
Speaker 1: woods that I maybe not I've witnessed at that time,
Speaker 1: but just the feeling of knowing that there's more to
Speaker 1: what meets the eye and what is told to us.
Speaker 2: He told us about that interest in werewolves you've always had,
Speaker 2: but there's a particular werewolf movie that really sparked your
Speaker 2: interest in them. Please talk us through that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was actually the first time I've ever actually
Speaker 1: watched that movie. Of course, it's a cut classic, you know,
Speaker 1: Stephen k movie, but it's called Silver Bullet. I read
Speaker 1: the short novel it was called Cycle of the Werewolf.
Speaker 1: I read that after I watched it, of course, But
Speaker 1: when I first watched it, like I've watched different Frankenstein,
Speaker 1: certain Dracula, different things, even bat black and white like
Speaker 1: Bell Legosi and you know, a lot of change Junior
Speaker 1: and all this stuff like that, But when it comes
Speaker 1: to that movie, there was just I don't know, like it.
Speaker 1: It's like after I watched it, you know, my dad
Speaker 1: was thinking I would be scared, but I wasn't. I
Speaker 1: was just it like triggered something like a spark in
Speaker 1: me or something. I was just so interested and not
Speaker 1: just interested, but like it made me want to know
Speaker 1: about them. But of course, you know, at that age
Speaker 1: and growing up, you know, I was told that it's Hollywood,
Speaker 1: you know, and certain things, but there was still something
Speaker 1: deep inside that It just made me want to know
Speaker 1: more because I felt that some part of it, even
Speaker 1: though that it was a Hollywood type movie or you know,
Speaker 1: on screen, there was something that made that. You know,
Speaker 1: as far as you know, we hear stories, hearing their
Speaker 1: folklore stuff. But sometime in point in time, you know,
Speaker 1: in my mind always thought that every movie or book
Speaker 1: comes from something, even if it's a tale told, you know,
Speaker 1: I felt like that is still there's some kind of
Speaker 1: small truth to certain things, like what could make someone
Speaker 1: tell a story of that unless they've seen something in
Speaker 1: a familiar way or something that that is you know,
Speaker 1: made that kind of thing. At the time, I really
Speaker 1: did honestly believe that there was a man that could
Speaker 1: change into a werewolf, you know, a curse or a blessing.
Speaker 1: It depends on I guess how the person would take it.
Speaker 1: But it always maybe wonder, you know, if that part
Speaker 1: was a possibility. But besides the man turning into or
Speaker 1: a woman turning into a werewolf, just the werewolf, the
Speaker 1: creature itself. I felt that in my mind all the
Speaker 1: times that it was real, there was something about it
Speaker 1: that's real. I know that there is prehistoric animals like
Speaker 1: dire wolves, and certain things, you know, you know, things
Speaker 1: that are a little bigger than what we see as
Speaker 1: the common wolf. But as far as something standing on
Speaker 1: two legs like that and being a primal animal, as
Speaker 1: far as being like that, I felt that there has
Speaker 1: been something like that all my life. It's hard to
Speaker 1: explain it in that way, but it's just it's just
Speaker 1: something that I've always been fascinated and trigued by, but
Speaker 1: just that there is something really like that out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's funny how all your life you have this
Speaker 2: feeling that there was something out there like that, and
Speaker 2: then later on, years later you found out that, yeah,
Speaker 2: there definitely are things out there like that. So who
Speaker 2: would have ever thought it?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: You talked about Silver Bullet, and that's a solid movie,
Speaker 2: a really good movie. But present day, is that still
Speaker 2: your favorite swearwolf movie or is there another movie that
Speaker 2: you liked better.
Speaker 1: I'll have to admit it's still one of my favorites.
Speaker 1: Another one that had to be honest with you, there
Speaker 1: is another one or maybe two that has I guess
Speaker 1: you would say kind of almost come to the equality
Speaker 1: of being my favorite number like top one, but I'd
Speaker 1: say my top second two would have to be the howling,
Speaker 1: not just because I've seen that before I've had my encounter,
Speaker 1: but just the fact of how realistic that was as well.
Speaker 1: But also the movie Bad Moon, it was something about
Speaker 1: it that just that one for sure when I watched that,
Speaker 1: it was something that it was besides of course the
Speaker 1: man turning into that, just the werewolf itself as that
Speaker 1: has really stuck with me. The features, the way that
Speaker 1: actually in the trees, like how it you know, in
Speaker 1: some of the scenes that there were killings, it was
Speaker 1: in the trees, and you think about it, it's like
Speaker 1: they don't just you know, walk on, run on two
Speaker 1: feet and whatever. I mean, you think about it now
Speaker 1: then and stuff, it's like, of course, why couldn't they
Speaker 1: be in trees too? And one basic thing, you know,
Speaker 1: even of me hunting or anything, one thing that I've
Speaker 1: found fascinating or intriguing is the fact that sometimes you know,
Speaker 1: you never really seem to really acknowledge or really to
Speaker 1: look up. So it's like it's something that really would
Speaker 1: think in your head, you know it, don't just look
Speaker 1: around you, but look up because you never know what
Speaker 1: could be hiding in trees.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really good point. Like you said, most
Speaker 2: people never do look up. If you've had a dog
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Speaker 2: please tell us about your encounters. Now, give us ever
Speaker 2: last detail that comes to mind.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, around two thousand and seven, it was,
Speaker 1: of course, of summer, because I was still in school.
Speaker 1: I graduated in twenty ten, so you know, it was
Speaker 1: I was still a little young. I would be, you know,
Speaker 1: going to my buddy's house. His name is Ethan. We've
Speaker 1: been childhood friends since then and still actually to this day.
Speaker 1: Most of my friends have gone and left and out
Speaker 1: of state and moved on, but I still he's the
Speaker 1: only one out of all my friends that I still
Speaker 1: or he makes contact with me. And it's a blessing
Speaker 1: because you know, he's always been a great friend and
Speaker 1: wonderful friend, a brother to me in a sense. And well,
Speaker 1: you know, of course we've always had our adventures like
Speaker 1: any kind of kid would do, you know, just have
Speaker 1: your out in the wilderness or out and you know
Speaker 1: type thing being wild kids as we were now. Now,
Speaker 1: the bus driver, you know, of course, was a family
Speaker 1: friend of my mom and family friend of his mom.
Speaker 1: So if I ever asked my mom, you know, could
Speaker 1: I go over to Ethan's you know, of course I
Speaker 1: would ask him, and he would ask his mom, and
Speaker 1: his mom would tell the bus driver too, you know,
Speaker 1: And so I was able to get off at his house. Now,
Speaker 1: he didn't live very far from me, even from my
Speaker 1: home itself, and of course my Papa's house, which I
Speaker 1: will explain a little bit more of the occurrences that
Speaker 1: happened there. He lived in development right there, like with
Speaker 1: you know, like a development of houses and stuff. So
Speaker 1: I would get off the bus to his house, and
Speaker 1: usually the first thing we'd do is run inside his house,
Speaker 1: drop our book bags off, and get us some mountain
Speaker 1: dew and slim gym and so like cool kids, you know,
Speaker 1: and the first thing we want to do is go
Speaker 1: out and build a fort and have our adventures in
Speaker 1: the woods. Well will you do that? Quite often there
Speaker 1: was you know, obviously the tsurants. That started it all
Speaker 1: was we decided to, you know, go out there, and
Speaker 1: we wanted to build a fort, like I was saying before,
Speaker 1: So we were like, okay, well, in order to build
Speaker 1: a fort, you know, we need sticks, you know, we
Speaker 1: need certain things odds and ends. Well, his dad was
Speaker 1: usually gone quite a bit. His dad used to work
Speaker 1: doing railroad stuff. But before then he was actually a
Speaker 1: guy that he was in previous military. But he also
Speaker 1: after that then he was kind of like protecting the
Speaker 1: forests in different states for make sure maintain that there
Speaker 1: was no wildfires and certain things like that. So but
Speaker 1: after that, of course he started working on the railroad,
Speaker 1: so he was working fourteen hours a day. He come
Speaker 1: home on the weekends at the time, so he was
Speaker 1: gone a lot of times. But when he was home,
Speaker 1: he was in his project, was building a pool barn
Speaker 1: in his backyard and it was a pretty big sized
Speaker 1: pool barn. So and of course he had left over
Speaker 1: wood and stuff and we would ask him, or he
Speaker 1: would ask him, you know, you know, could we use
Speaker 1: this for such and such, you know, for the Fords
Speaker 1: and everything, and he said, yeah, go ahead, So we
Speaker 1: we would load up his little sled that he had
Speaker 1: this lift. It was kind of broken, so you couldn't
Speaker 1: use it for of course sledding anymore for snow, you know.
Speaker 1: So we would have a little rope on it and
Speaker 1: we would throw all the wood in there. And we
Speaker 1: there was a rock fence that actually built a flat rock,
Speaker 1: you know like so it was a fence build withether
Speaker 1: like at old times. So we would lift one he
Speaker 1: would lift one end, I'd lift the other and lift
Speaker 1: it over that and we'd cross over that and and
Speaker 1: we would had our adventure into the spot where where
Speaker 1: we would locate a you know, good spot for the
Speaker 1: for the ford. Now there's a cornfield out through there.
Speaker 1: The farmer would always have a cornfield. And the good
Speaker 1: partner good news is my dad, of course, being not
Speaker 1: just a wildless specialist, but you know he did soil
Speaker 1: and water and stuff too, and crop damage and certain things,
Speaker 1: so he knew a lot of the farmers. So one
Speaker 1: time the farmer was out through you know, doing his
Speaker 1: dute easier like he does, you know, for the crops,
Speaker 1: and I stopped and asked him, you know, could we
Speaker 1: as long as you don't make a mess and just
Speaker 1: you know, destroy or mess up the crops that he
Speaker 1: had out there, which, of course for we were respectful
Speaker 1: for that. As wild as we were, we still had
Speaker 1: to respect for you know, things like that, of course.
Speaker 1: And so while you know, while the corn was growing,
Speaker 1: we would we would walk and you know the side
Speaker 1: of it, you know, the side, so it was kind
Speaker 1: of like from his house. From the back of it,
Speaker 1: it was like a giant l So like we'd make
Speaker 1: that long stretch to the one end and then go
Speaker 1: straight forward, so we would actually over the fence. We'd
Speaker 1: go straight right and straight forward, and there was crop,
Speaker 1: of course in front of us, but to the right
Speaker 1: over from the crop there was woods, and then to
Speaker 1: the front of the side there was woods end. Then
Speaker 1: there was woods way out in front. So we decided
Speaker 1: right there at that corner peak, we would you know,
Speaker 1: dive in right through the dense kind of a little
Speaker 1: bit right there until we find a good decent opening.
Speaker 1: And you know, obviously we looked around and we found
Speaker 1: a good spot and said, okay, this, this would be perfect.
Speaker 1: So you know, we would take our little pocket knives
Speaker 1: and carve out you know, like sharpened little things and
Speaker 1: cut up sticks and stuff and stick in the ground
Speaker 1: to make like a kind of like you know, like
Speaker 1: a little base area around like you know, like a
Speaker 1: to start off like forty two wise, and then we
Speaker 1: would start using of course the flat pieces that you
Speaker 1: would have for like sighting and the roofing parts like
Speaker 1: plywood and certain things. We'd use that for the walls,
Speaker 1: and of course later on we'd top it off with
Speaker 1: a tarp. And I so happened to go get a tarp.
Speaker 1: It was camouflage and it made it even perfect, you know,
Speaker 1: to fit in with everything. So we would do that,
Speaker 1: and then you know, we had our fort be in
Speaker 1: the kids and we'd talk about at the school of
Speaker 1: course and everything, and you know, it was kind of cool.
Speaker 1: It was important. We called it Little Fort Knox actually,
Speaker 1: so it was. It was just one of those things
Speaker 1: that just a fellowship and the thing we did together.
Speaker 1: And we'd sit in after it was done, you know,
Speaker 1: sit and talk about things and you know, act like
Speaker 1: we were like war heroes and you know kind of things,
Speaker 1: you know, little military, you know, and but we would
Speaker 1: do that. And of course, you know by some of
Speaker 1: the friends here and that here and there, he had
Speaker 1: a buddy of course that a couple of them that
Speaker 1: lived in development as well, a couple of years younger
Speaker 1: than us that wanted to join along and see the
Speaker 1: fort and you know and everything. So you know, we
Speaker 1: would kind of have like an initiation like say the
Speaker 1: past word, you know, like kids, you know you do
Speaker 1: and everything, and you know, we had add one by one,
Speaker 1: you know, certain friends and stuff that would be make
Speaker 1: our like kind of the movie Seeing King, Stephen King's it,
Speaker 1: you know, like the Losers Club, So we would have
Speaker 1: like our own club like together in a sense. It
Speaker 1: so happened that it just happened just during the summer
Speaker 1: the same year, of course, after because it didn't take
Speaker 1: long to build it and everything, you know, maybe three
Speaker 1: or four days, you know, after school, but it took
Speaker 1: you know, just this one particular day. I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: it was on a Friday, because I got to stay
Speaker 1: the night at his house and I used to stay
Speaker 1: on the weekends, you know. So we were getting ready
Speaker 1: to go back there and James went over. He went
Speaker 1: over first, one of the buddies, you know, Ethan was
Speaker 1: more friends with him than I was, but he was
Speaker 1: still a friend of mine. He went over first, Then
Speaker 1: Ethan went across, and then I hopped on a little cross.
Speaker 1: I was more of the happier one out of the bunch,
Speaker 1: because they were more skinnier. I was more of a
Speaker 1: little bit of bigger kid. But so at the time,
Speaker 1: you know, we did that, and as soon as I
Speaker 1: went over that the rock fence, I just looked up
Speaker 1: and the corn at the time, you know, obviously it
Speaker 1: wasn't like tall tall. It was probably about waist high,
Speaker 1: just growing, you know, getting there, getting this way up
Speaker 1: and uh right, we're kind of our forts at right
Speaker 1: there at that kind of curve end after you make
Speaker 1: that right and straight across, you know, like it makes
Speaker 1: like another curve to the left of a like a
Speaker 1: length of woods. Well, there was this white, bushy looking
Speaker 1: face that that's the first thing that I seen, sticking
Speaker 1: just thick woods. And then you just see that, and
Speaker 1: I like stopped and looked and you could just see
Speaker 1: it and you see all the trees and leaves moving,
Speaker 1: but that was staying still. And of course it was about,
Speaker 1: you know, pretty good height wise up, so it was
Speaker 1: kind of unusual. And I just said Ethan, and he
Speaker 1: said yeah, and I said, you're probably not gonna believe me,
Speaker 1: and he stopped and he looked at me and he said,
Speaker 1: try me. I said, okay, so I just seen a
Speaker 1: big head that's white, like a big bulky looking ahead.
Speaker 1: And he looked at me and he looked over at James,
Speaker 1: and James looked at him and then me and went,
Speaker 1: you've seen it too. And I said, what do you
Speaker 1: mean you've seen it too? And he says, we've been
Speaker 1: seeing because of course they went out more you know, together,
Speaker 1: because he lives not even two houses from him, so
Speaker 1: they of course they went out more than you know
Speaker 1: together when I couldn't come over, so I said, don't
Speaker 1: be pulling my leg and they're like, He's like, bro,
Speaker 1: we're not pulling your leg. This is what we believe.
Speaker 1: You trust me. We've been seeing this. So I said,
Speaker 1: you've been seeing this too, and he says, yes. We
Speaker 1: just didn't want to say nothing. That's why he said that.
Speaker 1: He told me, he said try me, because he went
Speaker 1: to see what I seen first. So then they came
Speaker 1: and gave him a confirmation, and James course gave him
Speaker 1: confirmation that okay, they're not just seeing stuff, just seeing
Speaker 1: things out of the blue, you know, with their eyes,
Speaker 1: you know, like just some aspiration or something you know,
Speaker 1: so I was like, okay, you know, and and a
Speaker 1: couple occasions they said that they would see it too,
Speaker 1: you know, and it would stick half its body out
Speaker 1: and go back in the woods. And so we would
Speaker 1: kind of talk about a little bit and I was like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm still going to go back there, and he said, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: well let's just kind of walk a hofle slow, so,
Speaker 1: you know. And I didn't blame him because I kind
Speaker 1: of got a little on edge on that. I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: you know. So while we were walking back there, we
Speaker 1: found right and like, and this is the thing that's
Speaker 1: crazy when I noticed this. Anytime we've been together, like
Speaker 1: we've walked together or done anything, it I'm sensitive to
Speaker 1: like the paranormal and certain things and almost like in
Speaker 1: an mpath too. But all my life I've been kind
Speaker 1: of like have paranormal activity and certain things too. Things
Speaker 1: my family has too, of my mom's sipes for sure.
Speaker 1: But when we're together, it's, like I'm telling you, it's
Speaker 1: like we open a door or something or or it's
Speaker 1: like a giant magnet for odd things to happen you
Speaker 1: can't explain. And it's been through our like through our lives,
Speaker 1: you know, since we were young that we've heard things,
Speaker 1: seen things out of the ordinary. Things fly off the
Speaker 1: shelves at his house, just random things. And he wouldn't
Speaker 1: really had with James as much or anybody else's friends,
Speaker 1: but just us. It was just me and him that
Speaker 1: would have these. It couldn't explain it well. So while
Speaker 1: we were walking to get towards there, James stopped first
Speaker 1: because he was in front. Then Ethan stopped and he
Speaker 1: looked over at me, and I stopped and said what
Speaker 1: And he says, you won't believe this look? And he
Speaker 1: pointed it down, and when you believe, we've seen a
Speaker 1: cat laying there, not in the not in the Cornfield park,
Speaker 1: but right there at the walk where it's clear there's
Speaker 1: no corn growing in the rock fence, right there, and
Speaker 1: it was twisted in half, and I mean like someone
Speaker 1: picked it up and twisted its torso like its legs
Speaker 1: were up and were it's supposed to be down, you know,
Speaker 1: the back legs. And I will never forget the face
Speaker 1: because it wasn't just that one, but a couple of
Speaker 1: occasions that we went back there, we found certain cats
Speaker 1: that in the exact same position unless they're missing their
Speaker 1: tail or a foot or something that they had this face.
Speaker 1: It looked like a tear, like their mouths were open,
Speaker 1: like it was like getting ready to like me ow,
Speaker 1: you know, like a kind of thing. But it it
Speaker 1: the eyes were open, all of them all the time,
Speaker 1: you know, but it had its mouth open like it
Speaker 1: was in tear, like it died pet like terrified. And
Speaker 1: that was something that stuck in my mind and him too,
Speaker 1: and he was like, it's just weird, and I was
Speaker 1: like yeah, and I was thinking, well, do you think
Speaker 1: it could be like maybe, you know, when the armors
Speaker 1: out here and the combine maybe or something, you know,
Speaker 1: And he's like, this this cat was these cats are
Speaker 1: you know? This cat wasn't out here at that time,
Speaker 1: and of course the corns aren't grown, so of course
Speaker 1: I'm not going to have combine out there or anything too.
Speaker 1: But I tried thinking of things just that could be possibly,
Speaker 1: you know, saying, I guess you could say, or coincidence
Speaker 1: wise maybe, but obviously we've started growing as I had
Speaker 1: grown up and everything with them, there is no coincidence
Speaker 1: of anything we've ever come in contact with. But that
Speaker 1: was something that really stuck with me. Because I'm a
Speaker 1: big animal person, even wildlife wise or anything, like, I
Speaker 1: love enjoying seeing and that really did took at my
Speaker 1: heart for at my heart because it was like wow,
Speaker 1: like who would do that? You know, like that is
Speaker 1: inhumane beyond and uh, you know a freaked him out
Speaker 1: too and everything of course, you know, and like I said,
Speaker 1: time to time going to the fort, we'd see here
Speaker 1: and there cats the same way, and I'd always ask
Speaker 1: him and then he's like, I don't want to think
Speaker 1: about it, you know, and James will be But James
Speaker 1: only came out maybe three times out of the times
Speaker 1: that we went back there because he started getting kind
Speaker 1: of scared and didn't want to go back there anymore
Speaker 1: because of seeing that. In certain things, James was more
Speaker 1: of a I guess on term a scientific way or
Speaker 1: an explanation of EMC equals. You know, he was more
Speaker 1: of that, like he had to have a reasonable explanation,
Speaker 1: you know, paranormal wives was too hard in a sense
Speaker 1: for him to grasp. So you know, it was just
Speaker 1: me and him then most of the time, well I'd
Speaker 1: say probably about a week and a half two weeks
Speaker 1: went by, we went out there again, and you know,
Speaker 1: a pretty decent hot day. Of course, not too hot,
Speaker 1: not we've been having, you know, but close enough. So
Speaker 1: we took our bottles of water and we went out
Speaker 1: there and this time no cats know nothing, because they
Speaker 1: would disappear at the times we'd go back there like
Speaker 1: no you know, of course we'd think of wildlife. Something
Speaker 1: got a hold. Obviously they're hungry or whatever. So that
Speaker 1: would take place. Well, at this particular time that we
Speaker 1: went back there, at the sideline, after you make that
Speaker 1: right that and you follow it oid in the corner
Speaker 1: and then you turn, it says you turn left, and
Speaker 1: it's that straight all the way to the fort. Well
Speaker 1: didn't hear any noises, but there was this god awful smell.
Speaker 1: That's another thing that stuck with me always. It it
Speaker 1: was like, as I've told you before, it was like
Speaker 1: if you've already you know, like if you're fishing and
Speaker 1: you start scaling the fish, you got them and get
Speaker 1: all the stuff out of them, you know, and you're
Speaker 1: going to keep the meat part and then the rest
Speaker 1: of it, you know, you throw out to the side
Speaker 1: or whatever and stuff. It had that real strong decay
Speaker 1: at like dead smell. But it also had that like
Speaker 1: a musky smell and like it almost took your breath
Speaker 1: away in a sense. So we've had that a couple
Speaker 1: of times going to the fort, you know, and also
Speaker 1: a sense of feeling of like something's there. He's felt
Speaker 1: it too, but we kind of shrugged it off and
Speaker 1: went to the fort because the better that we just
Speaker 1: kind of shrugged off and thought of out the things
Speaker 1: that were kind of made each other laugh, the better
Speaker 1: it would be to get to the fort instead of
Speaker 1: going back. So we would do that and everything. Well
Speaker 1: there's it was probably about three or four days after
Speaker 1: that we decided to go back out there again. Well
Speaker 1: this time that smell was at the corner instead of
Speaker 1: like walking a little bit and right to the you
Speaker 1: know the side. It was at that corner this time,
Speaker 1: and I was thinking, well, maybe somebody threw some more
Speaker 1: stuff out or did something, you know, and He's like, okay,
Speaker 1: Well we kept walking, but it went away for a
Speaker 1: second and then it come back again and it was
Speaker 1: like right to the right of it. Of course in
Speaker 1: the woods. Didn't hear nothing, though, but we smelled it.
Speaker 1: It was like that's odd, you know, different spot, but
Speaker 1: it's moved on a little bit. More like with us. Well,
Speaker 1: then we kept on walking, but we kept smelling it,
Speaker 1: and we kept smelling it all the way to almost
Speaker 1: to the fort, and when we got almost to the fort,
Speaker 1: it got stronger. It was like we kept looking at
Speaker 1: each other, like, why is the smell still like lingered
Speaker 1: close to us, like it like it's following some of
Speaker 1: the smell's following us in the sense like and I
Speaker 1: actually we checked our shoes to see if we stepped
Speaker 1: in something, nothing, you know, and it was like, okay,
Speaker 1: that's different. At that particular time, when we went to
Speaker 1: the fort, the fort was torn down. It was in shreds,
Speaker 1: it was in pieces sticks, the wood all was messed up, broken,
Speaker 1: the tarp that had on there was ripped at pieces
Speaker 1: all over inside the trees, up in the trees, all
Speaker 1: over the different pieces. And I was more mad and
Speaker 1: upset in the fact that our fort was destroyed, even
Speaker 1: with the orange that we had and everything, because we've
Speaker 1: built forts in the in the past, and you know,
Speaker 1: they've been taken down by storms, but it all was
Speaker 1: right there would laid flat. But we were so happy
Speaker 1: that we fortified, you know, we we built a strong
Speaker 1: fort that even the storms couldn't take it down, so
Speaker 1: it was like an accomplishment, you know, build destroy, we
Speaker 1: build better. And I was more upset in the fact
Speaker 1: that it was destroyed. And he looked at me and
Speaker 1: I said, somebody had to do this, you know, and
Speaker 1: he do you think the farmer did? And I was like, no,
Speaker 1: he wouldn't. He didn't care that, you know, he wasn't
Speaker 1: like that. There's an older man. He wouldn't do that.
Speaker 1: And the fact that the pieces of the tarp and
Speaker 1: certain things were up in the trees, like up up
Speaker 1: in the trees, and it was like, what the heck,
Speaker 1: you know, I was thinking, okay, well when maybe, but
Speaker 1: there are some pieces that were like how in the
Speaker 1: world some of the pieces of the tarp would be
Speaker 1: like it was like like you'd push the pieces of
Speaker 1: the tarp onto the limbs, like you'd puncture a hole
Speaker 1: through it and stick it through the like you leave
Speaker 1: like a little marks trademarks everywhere or something, you know,
Speaker 1: like hanging a ribbon and try or something. And it
Speaker 1: was like and then of course, you know, he was
Speaker 1: upset about that, but he was a more upset the
Speaker 1: fact they oh, man, we're gonna have to clean this up.
Speaker 1: My dad's gonna kill me if he sees that we
Speaker 1: made a mess back here, you know. So you know,
Speaker 1: obviously we took the pieces that we had and whatever
Speaker 1: else and kind of made a pile. You know. Eventually
Speaker 1: we the next day we went back and got his
Speaker 1: little sled and put the pieces on there and brought
Speaker 1: it back. And you know that that weekend, you know,
Speaker 1: his dad was there and like, oh, well, you destroyed
Speaker 1: the fort and we're like, no, something did. And we
Speaker 1: looked at each other and he's like, oh, okay, you know,
Speaker 1: and you know, obviously we threw them the burn pile,
Speaker 1: as you know, they made bondfires. Well okay, well that
Speaker 1: was that was the start of it right there. So
Speaker 1: fast forward just a little bit, probably another two weeks.
Speaker 1: But during those two weeks, I was thinking, well, we're
Speaker 1: getting to the part where we're going to be going
Speaker 1: back in the school here soon. So I was like, well,
Speaker 1: why not let's have like a you know, a cool
Speaker 1: hangout bang, like last last thing before we start school
Speaker 1: and be bored again, you know, like back in the
Speaker 1: boarding school again. So I asked my papal where of course,
Speaker 1: you know, this incident, the main part took place if
Speaker 1: if I could, we can have like a camp out,
Speaker 1: like a tent, you know, in the backyard. And he's like, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, I said, you know, and
Speaker 1: he said, you better make sure that you take the
Speaker 1: tent down if you're done, you know, And I was respectful,
Speaker 1: of course, you know, of course, you know, yeah, he said,
Speaker 1: you ain't starting on fires. Ain't doing that because he's
Speaker 1: from Kentucky. My dad's side from Kentucky Mounta starting of Kentucky,
Speaker 1: you know, like about an hour away from Lexington, and
Speaker 1: my mom's side is from Tennessee, you know, and everything.
Speaker 1: So like I was known about the South, you know,
Speaker 1: basically kind I wouldn't say born here, but I was
Speaker 1: kind of raising sense. We'd go down three four times
Speaker 1: a year, so I'm really aware of, you know, the
Speaker 1: South and everything and different things, great country and our
Speaker 1: great state. Love the outdoors, you know, the views of
Speaker 1: course there. But anyways, so of course we didn't have
Speaker 1: a fire anything. But then I asked him, I said,
Speaker 1: you know, at school, and hey, would you like to
Speaker 1: come over and we'll have like a you know camp
Speaker 1: out a night. And he's like, yeah, you know what
Speaker 1: it sounds cool, that sounds like a great idea, so
Speaker 1: he asked his mom. Mom of course said yeah, that's fine.
Speaker 1: You know. So it was a Friday night, so we decided,
Speaker 1: even it was the summer, we just did like on
Speaker 1: a weekend type thing. And this is usually during the summer.
Speaker 1: I was through the days. Most of the week days.
Speaker 1: I was busy helping my pap bar or anybody else,
Speaker 1: you know, working on cars or anything. So it's kind
Speaker 1: of like my incentive and his incentive too, you know,
Speaker 1: like we worked hard through that time, so we get
Speaker 1: a you know, kind of like a benefit out of it.
Speaker 1: So we uh, you know, obviously, my Papal went because
Speaker 1: we couldn't drive at the time, so he went to
Speaker 1: go pick him up. And even though we lived in development,
Speaker 1: it was just easier just to go pick him up
Speaker 1: right there. So we had to go pick him up,
Speaker 1: and he got his backpack full like his snacks and
Speaker 1: slim gems and mountain dew, you know, like we do,
Speaker 1: and we're all excited and happy. But Papali helped me
Speaker 1: build you know, like not built, but the you know,
Speaker 1: set the tent of course, and it was about a
Speaker 1: two or three person tent. You know, it wasn't like
Speaker 1: small tent, but it wasn't a big one either. But
Speaker 1: we said, you know, everything was great, and you know,
Speaker 1: every remind us no start, no fires, no campfires, nothing
Speaker 1: like that, and uh everything, and so it was like okay,
Speaker 1: you know, so you know we went down back after
Speaker 1: he picked picked him up. You know, we were with him.
Speaker 1: We will walk call him down back. Now, the layout
Speaker 1: the property, the layout of it, the house, you know,
Speaker 1: obviously to the front of the house. Obviously it's the
Speaker 1: road right here. Now the back of the house. There's
Speaker 1: a house next door which used to belong to one
Speaker 1: of my papal's best friends, which is part of a church,
Speaker 1: you know what my papa was help build the church
Speaker 1: and stuff like kind of like right next door. You know.
Speaker 1: Literally the rest of the houses are kind of a
Speaker 1: little bit separated by a little bit of woods, not much,
Speaker 1: but just a little bit. So there was like a
Speaker 1: dip that goes down. You know, we used to slid
Speaker 1: down the hill right here because it's literally like a dip,
Speaker 1: so it dips down and in straight flat all the
Speaker 1: way out to the back. Now, from the back of
Speaker 1: the house to the cornfield. Because the new owner of
Speaker 1: the old owner. We used to go back and go
Speaker 1: rabbit hunting, but you know, since passed away and used
Speaker 1: to have cows and stuff. But since passed away, it
Speaker 1: got to a new owner. He is not a little too.
Speaker 1: I would say, it wasn't as nice, but it wasn't
Speaker 1: really too. He wasn't mean mean, but he would just
Speaker 1: he didn't want you. He want to catch you back there.
Speaker 1: So and every year he would do either corn or wheat,
Speaker 1: corn or wheat, you know, so this year he did
Speaker 1: wheat instead of corn, so it made it easier, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of see if you're passed to there. But i'd
Speaker 1: say from the back of the house to the cornfield
Speaker 1: or wheat you know field right there, you're because we
Speaker 1: had a garden rate in between. You know, we would
Speaker 1: always have garden every year. So between those between the
Speaker 1: back of the house to that, i'd say probably about
Speaker 1: maybe fifty yards, so, you know, a decent decent amount,
Speaker 1: but not much so of course, you know, that's what
Speaker 1: it was. But from the wheat field to the woods,
Speaker 1: you're looking at probably about three hundred and to four
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty yards or more. It had a good, good,
Speaker 1: good mount right there. So you know, we of course
Speaker 1: we went down the tent. He put his backpack in
Speaker 1: there and got a sleeping bag set up earthing for
Speaker 1: the night. This is going on about eight thirty, probably seven,
Speaker 1: they're probably by between seven thirty and eighth there. We
Speaker 1: sat in there for a minute and we're just disgusting, like, okay,
Speaker 1: well we're going to do tonight. You know. I was like,
Speaker 1: how about we go towards the He's like, I don't
Speaker 1: know about going out. I was like, well, how about halfway?
Speaker 1: And he just thought about it, and he's like, okay,
Speaker 1: well I do not wanted to stand there, and I
Speaker 1: was like, well, we'll bring chairs because I had some
Speaker 1: folding chairs back here, back in the back, you know.
Speaker 1: So I was like, we can sit back there and
Speaker 1: kind of just watch things. You know, maybe we could
Speaker 1: find something spooky or something, you know, just how we
Speaker 1: did things, we'd scare each other to death sometimes just
Speaker 1: for the heck of it. I guess, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I think about it now why we did that, but
Speaker 1: we just did. But so after the thing stood up,
Speaker 1: we come back, you know, Papa hollered out out the window,
Speaker 1: had a saying, boys come on in we got he made.
Speaker 1: He's always he's always making dinner. He was a great cook,
Speaker 1: a wonderful cook. Of course, Southern cooking. So you've got
Speaker 1: your green beans, you know, your mashed potatoes, corn you know,
Speaker 1: corn bread and soup beans, you know, fried potatoes. You know,
Speaker 1: no matter how you cold was, it was Southern cooking,
Speaker 1: it was good chicken, fried chicken, anything. So that at
Speaker 1: that night we had soup beans and cornbread. We had
Speaker 1: a ham hocking there and everything and and mashed potatoes
Speaker 1: and stuff. So we're like, oh, man and onion. So
Speaker 1: we were eating good. So we were sitting back and
Speaker 1: he was discussing with us, you know what you guys
Speaker 1: are gonna do tonight, And we were like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: you know, we'll just tell you other ghost stories. And
Speaker 1: then you know, he's like, well, I don't scare each other.
Speaker 1: Two bad. He had to come inside the house because
Speaker 1: the door is gonna be locked. So we're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, so we got none eat and everything,
Speaker 1: and sat and talked with my papa, my uncle of
Speaker 1: course you know, live still live currently as when right
Speaker 1: now lives there. I'm living here now taking care of him.
Speaker 1: He's not in the best shape right now, but you know.
Speaker 1: And uh so we sat in you know, fellowship with
Speaker 1: each other and everything, and roll around about nine thirty
Speaker 1: ten o'clock obviously dark and everything. So they're like, well,
Speaker 1: we're gonna head on out there and stuff. And and
Speaker 1: of course my uncle's like, we're the Boogeyman. You know.
Speaker 1: I started laughing, you know, and we were kind of
Speaker 1: laugh like yeah, okay, you know. And so we go
Speaker 1: on down back and sit in the tent for a
Speaker 1: little bit and stuff. We would wait a little bit
Speaker 1: and talk with each other. At that time, you know,
Speaker 1: I had a sliding as a writing phone, sliding phone.
Speaker 1: I had the keyboard on it. It slides the side,
Speaker 1: you know, and you can or keep his slide back
Speaker 1: and you can do it regular. And he had a
Speaker 1: razor phone, you know, one of those flip razors, you know.
Speaker 1: So we would listen to music. He had like music
Speaker 1: download on his phone, like MP three at the time,
Speaker 1: you know, and we listened to these little bit of
Speaker 1: music and certain things and stuff. And they're like, all right, well,
Speaker 1: we got the chairs out here. I set the chairs
Speaker 1: pre you ahead of time. He's like, you really wouldn't
Speaker 1: do that. I said, yeah, let's do this. So we
Speaker 1: got out intent you know, zipped it real quiet. I
Speaker 1: don't know why I remained quiet because they couldn't hear
Speaker 1: us from the house anyways. But we waited to see
Speaker 1: to make sure the light because the light and the
Speaker 1: living room in the kitchen would be on and we
Speaker 1: could tell when it went off they were going to bed,
Speaker 1: so we're like, oh, prime time, you know. So we
Speaker 1: were waiting until then, and uh, we started walking our
Speaker 1: chairs towards the field, you know, like quietly. Still don't
Speaker 1: know why quietly, but we were and just talking to
Speaker 1: each other like, well, what if we do see something
Speaker 1: or what if this? And it's like, oh, well, let's
Speaker 1: find out and see and stuff. In the back of
Speaker 1: my mind, I was really hoping we would see something.
Speaker 1: I wasn't expecting what we were going to see, but
Speaker 1: I was still hoping we'd see something like ghosts or
Speaker 1: anything really, you know, just just for the heck of it.
Speaker 1: But wasn't really expecting it, but hoping too. In a sense.
Speaker 1: I'm sure I obviously felt the same too. And so
Speaker 1: we went ahead and set the chairs up and we
Speaker 1: just started telling each other a little bit here and
Speaker 1: there nothing really at the point in time, got our
Speaker 1: phones out, listening a little bit of music down real
Speaker 1: low a little bit so we can still heart out
Speaker 1: of the field towards the woods, and we kind of
Speaker 1: got a little drowsy, a little tired at the time.
Speaker 1: So we were like, okay, you know, I about called it
Speaker 1: a rap, I guess you could say. At the time,
Speaker 1: they were about, let's just go back, and well, all
Speaker 1: of a sudden we were hearing cows and he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: the cows. And I was like, yeah, it's the cow's
Speaker 1: over there from you know, from the farmer and all
Speaker 1: that stuff. And then I thought about it for a second.
Speaker 1: I'm like, wait a second. The only one I had
Speaker 1: cows was his name. We called the farmer. His nickname
Speaker 1: was Bunny. I don't know why is we just that's
Speaker 1: just what we called him, the family wise and stuff.
Speaker 1: And I said he has cows and he's like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: and I said, no. The thing is he's been dead
Speaker 1: for two years, two or three years, I said, and
Speaker 1: there is no cows right here anymore. And he's like, well,
Speaker 1: there has to be. He said, what was that? And
Speaker 1: I said, I don't know, because it had that sound,
Speaker 1: but it was a little deep, and here it was
Speaker 1: sounded like there was more than one. But it was like,
Speaker 1: you know, like I heard the cows in a sense,
Speaker 1: but deeper. And he's like, well, there's got to be
Speaker 1: cows over there. And I'm like, yeah, maybe you're right.
Speaker 1: Maybe he's good cause we didn't know about her something
Speaker 1: just to kind of ease their minds off a little bit. Well,
Speaker 1: I was getting ready to tell him a joke, and
Speaker 1: out of nowhere this god awful scream and I'm talking
Speaker 1: about bloody murder. I sounded like a woman was being slaughtered,
Speaker 1: like you see Friday thirteenth or something. I were like psycho,
Speaker 1: you know, like when I get she's getting stabbed in
Speaker 1: the shower, like I mean screaming, I mean, beyond the
Speaker 1: loudest I've ever heard I scream and shook me to
Speaker 1: I mean I shook in the chair and he shook
Speaker 1: looked at me. He said, what in the I'm like,
Speaker 1: what the heck? And he's like what the He's like,
Speaker 1: what why? What in the world would be screaming? And
Speaker 1: the way that it sounded, which makes sense now thinking
Speaker 1: about it, you know, later on now stuff, you know,
Speaker 1: from the woods. You know, there's anywhere. Really, even if
Speaker 1: you hear some people doing partying down the road, it echoes,
Speaker 1: especially when it's quiet, it echoes like really like you're
Speaker 1: almost there. And I thought it was behind me, so
Speaker 1: I turned and looked behind me. And while I was
Speaker 1: turning to look to see if it was coming back
Speaker 1: towards the house and back up that way, all I
Speaker 1: heard was and then boom. And I'm like, what the
Speaker 1: And I turned and looked, and Ethan was like about
Speaker 1: melted in his chair. He slid down his chair and
Speaker 1: he's like, oh my god, Oh my god. And I
Speaker 1: was like what and he pointed, I just saw up
Speaker 1: and looked through the woods, right down through the woods.
Speaker 1: Of course it's start. But the moon was kind of
Speaker 1: out but not full of moon, but just enough. Well, behold,
Speaker 1: what do we see? And we've seen which I preferred,
Speaker 1: I called it. We nicknamed it, so we didn't, you know,
Speaker 1: if we talked about in the school. Big Mac told
Speaker 1: me I had to come up with a nickname, you know,
Speaker 1: and he's like, well, what we call it? And I
Speaker 1: know it was just something out of the ordinary, something
Speaker 1: that come to my mind because my mom always loved
Speaker 1: McDonald's Big Max, and it was big no matter what
Speaker 1: it was, so we called a big Mac and he's like, okay, cool,
Speaker 1: you know. But anyways, so this thing obviously like we've
Speaker 1: seen before in his backyard, big white and the body
Speaker 1: of this thing like it reminded you of if you've
Speaker 1: seen Monsters, inc. It reminds you of the body style,
Speaker 1: the bulk and the like the muscle mass and everything
Speaker 1: in the fur like Sully from Monsters Inc. That big
Speaker 1: stature like style. But it was standing there right by
Speaker 1: this tree. Because only there's one tree right, there's woods,
Speaker 1: then there's the wheat field, one single tree, one big tree,
Speaker 1: and then singles off again into like wheat and then
Speaker 1: the other side of the woods and lo and behold
Speaker 1: right there, it took off to the right, not towards us,
Speaker 1: but to the right of the woods. And you can
Speaker 1: hear every step. And I'm telling you it only took
Speaker 1: I can tell you about five six steps. And it
Speaker 1: was longer. So if you were running from that tree there,
Speaker 1: it would take you way more steps than that. But
Speaker 1: it took about five six different steps. And I mean
Speaker 1: you can hear it going boom boom, boom, and then
Speaker 1: hear it go into the woods like like we was
Speaker 1: tearing down stuff. And I looked back at Ethan. I
Speaker 1: was about to say, oh my god, you see that
Speaker 1: he's not in the chair. I look back and he's
Speaker 1: already darted. He already darted running, and I'm thinking like,
Speaker 1: oh my god. You know, so instincts, you know, like
Speaker 1: I was scared. But I took off. We left chairs,
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't care. I took off trying to Ethan,
Speaker 1: and he was already running past me. Me being a
Speaker 1: heavy set guy, you know, but drenally kicking in already, yeah,
Speaker 1: already you know, felt like I was running so fast
Speaker 1: that I didn't touch the ground sometimes, but of course
Speaker 1: my stumbleness, I fell when I fell down, I fell down,
Speaker 1: I mean east and everything. And I reached out to
Speaker 1: Ethan and he didn't even look back. I was scared
Speaker 1: to death. I had tears in my eyes because I thought,
Speaker 1: you know, like in an scary movie or anything, what
Speaker 1: happens to you the chick or somebody falls and that's it,
Speaker 1: that's all it takes, and they're dead. Well, I didn't
Speaker 1: look back, but I felt that it was going to
Speaker 1: be right there. But obviously I'm here talking about it now,
Speaker 1: so thank the Lord and think thankfully and being blessed
Speaker 1: that it left us alone at that, you know. So
Speaker 1: I got up and kept on running, kept on running.
Speaker 1: I mean, I ran so fast and hard that it's
Speaker 1: not like I don't have asthma. But I've heard people
Speaker 1: that he's got asthma. And Hayler when we got back
Speaker 1: to the tent doing that and I was doing that too,
Speaker 1: felt like my heart was in my throat. I thought
Speaker 1: I dry heaved, going to be sick. I was more
Speaker 1: the fact that running plus adrenaline and being scared. We
Speaker 1: got in the tent, zipped it up. I don't know
Speaker 1: why we didn't go to the front of the house.
Speaker 1: I I can't so I answer that question now. But
Speaker 1: we thought we'd be safe in the tent. Just one
Speaker 1: of those things and stupid as it sounds, but got
Speaker 1: in there. He was rocking himself back and forth, back
Speaker 1: and forth. And I got in there and zipped it up,
Speaker 1: and I took the sleeping bag and zipped myself up
Speaker 1: like a cocoon, and just my face was sticking out,
Speaker 1: and I kept trying to ask him like I couldn't
Speaker 1: even get nothing out. I was shaking so bad, and
Speaker 1: he was just rocking himself, shaking and stuff, and I
Speaker 1: was trying to ask him, like eas, what was that?
Speaker 1: But I could not get it out. I just couldn't.
Speaker 1: So we laid there. I couldn't even tell you. It
Speaker 1: felt like forever. He finally just looked at me and
Speaker 1: started crying. I started crying. He didn't say anything to
Speaker 1: each other at all whatsoever. We ended up crying so
Speaker 1: bad that we fell asleep that way. I mean, I
Speaker 1: try to keep my eyes on. I mean, he went
Speaker 1: to sleep before I did. I think he passed out
Speaker 1: from so much adrenaline and everything too. But I stayed awaking,
Speaker 1: just every little noise, anything cricket because it was quiet.
Speaker 1: But then you started eating the crickets and certain things,
Speaker 1: which helped. But it's still scary because I was just
Speaker 1: waiting for the thumps, like the boom boom sounds again.
Speaker 1: But didn't hear nothing, thankfully, or anything after that until
Speaker 1: of course morning hit and it was like seeing the sunshine.
Speaker 1: It was like the most amazing feeling ever. And I
Speaker 1: woke up right there. He fell asleep, still in the
Speaker 1: fetal position with his head down like that like, I'm
Speaker 1: sure his neck was hurting and everything. But I got
Speaker 1: unzipped it, got out and showed him and he's like,
Speaker 1: oh like, and I was like, let's get back to
Speaker 1: the house. And he didn't use say anything, okay, you know, like,
Speaker 1: so I unzipped it and we took off back to
Speaker 1: the house. My uncle Steve was sitting on the porch
Speaker 1: smoking a cigarette, and we run back up in the
Speaker 1: front of the high and he's like, you guys, have
Speaker 1: a good time. And we didn't say anything. We just
Speaker 1: darted right into the right, into the right, into the
Speaker 1: door in the front house and went in there and
Speaker 1: uh my Papal was cooking sausage and bacon and everything
Speaker 1: and eggs and it looks like you boys seen a ghost.
Speaker 1: And we just looked at each other and didn't say
Speaker 1: a word, didn't say nothing until I mean, obviously, it
Speaker 1: took it probably about a year or two until I
Speaker 1: ended up saying something eventually. But of course they waved
Speaker 1: off as is your imagination. You guys were shouldn't have
Speaker 1: been out in the middle of the field. You know,
Speaker 1: that's what you get for being mischievous and miss getting
Speaker 1: in the mischief and all this, you know, just stuff
Speaker 1: like that. But it just it was one of those
Speaker 1: things that it's like, who are going to tell or anything?
Speaker 1: You know. We tried tell some other kids, but of
Speaker 1: course that took off the deep end and they were
Speaker 1: laughing at us, and so we knew right then and
Speaker 1: there on the bus that we're not going to say
Speaker 1: anything that anybody. So that was just how it was
Speaker 1: until this day. If we kind of talk about it,
Speaker 1: all I have to say is big Mac and he's like, yep,
Speaker 1: I know. It's like, well, let's tell this person. He's like, no,
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about it. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: still like that now. He'd rather not say anything about
Speaker 1: any of that stuff. So I can't say anything. I
Speaker 1: don't blame him. So let's fast forward. Now. I haven't
Speaker 1: had no counters or anything like that. As far as
Speaker 1: I know. It's him. He yes, I had nothing. I
Speaker 1: never did ask him anymore about certain things. He's seen
Speaker 1: some aspirations, some some ghost cars, certain things like that.
Speaker 1: I guess you would say down the road. But so
Speaker 1: fast forward to the job I have. Now, I'm still
Speaker 1: currently working there, but I'm working mornings now. But at
Speaker 1: this time, at this point in time, I was working
Speaker 1: night shift, so my hours were noon to nine, and
Speaker 1: I didn't live where I'm back here living with my
Speaker 1: at my you know, my uncle's house. Now technically you know,
Speaker 1: my papal has been pass passed away since you know,
Speaker 1: passing then for about good five four or five years now.
Speaker 1: So this particular time, I was living in about forty
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes away from here, which is in Wellington, because
Speaker 1: I live in Castell, Ohio, so which is like fifteen
Speaker 1: minutes away from Sandusky, which is where Cedar points at,
Speaker 1: you know, of course and everything. But so I lived
Speaker 1: in Wellington with a woman I was currently with at
Speaker 1: the time for in about three years. So we had
Speaker 1: our own place, you know, well it's her kind of
Speaker 1: place in the thing with farm sheep, you know. We
Speaker 1: you know, I started doing farming certain things at that area.
Speaker 1: It's all farm like legit, farmland, Amish woods fields, I mean,
Speaker 1: and major deer like, I mean, you got very you
Speaker 1: have to be very careful on driving. Deer come out
Speaker 1: everywhere down there. So it just so happened in particular
Speaker 1: on a night I'd say it's almost kind of like
Speaker 1: a night just it's not it wasn't too hot, not
Speaker 1: too cold, just perfect good, good October type weather, maybe
Speaker 1: a little warmer. It just it just got done raining,
Speaker 1: so it had that little bit of a misty you know,
Speaker 1: real moisture, moisturized air type. You can even see some
Speaker 1: of the where it rained, kind of like the steam
Speaker 1: or foggy ish kind of rising off the ground from
Speaker 1: the rain. Still. So normally I usually listened to road
Speaker 1: tunes on the way home or whatever and stuff, but
Speaker 1: that particular night, I didn't really feel like listen to nothing.
Speaker 1: Just felt like having a nice, enjoyable quiet right home
Speaker 1: and and have the windows down and just mirom mo
Speaker 1: ount and feel in the air as I drive, and
Speaker 1: just going through a town called Rochester and then passing
Speaker 1: through there and then uh so Wellington. We actually technically
Speaker 1: were living in a place called Huntington, which is like
Speaker 1: not even like five minutes from Wellington, Like it's just
Speaker 1: like a side like right to the side of it,
Speaker 1: small little village kind of like where I'm living at now. Castilia.
Speaker 1: Didn't call it a town because it's technically a village.
Speaker 1: So not very many people, of course, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: little churches here and there, and you know, a small
Speaker 1: little rural area, and uh, I was going. I take
Speaker 1: usually a side road instead of going straight into Wellington
Speaker 1: and then going out of Wellington right to the side
Speaker 1: to Huntington, I take this side road that kind of
Speaker 1: takes the back kind of the back ways. There's a
Speaker 1: little town called Lanchester. So I was going through there. Uh, Pet,
Speaker 1: you always put up my road mark because I always
Speaker 1: go by road markers and stuff instead of like actual
Speaker 1: the road, like the signs of the roads, like actual
Speaker 1: road names. So I was known with big white churches
Speaker 1: right there. So in the blinking there's a blinking stop
Speaker 1: there's no stop light stop well stop sign, you know, blinking.
Speaker 1: And there's a church with an old Civil War looking
Speaker 1: cannon right there. Oh, beautiful place, Like I said, there's
Speaker 1: all kinds of cool historical things there. So I turned
Speaker 1: to the right and going down towards there. And it's
Speaker 1: got some hilly type areas, you know, like up and down,
Speaker 1: you know, some curves, so you don't earn anyone to
Speaker 1: go too fast, well not too fast anyways, because of deer,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously really strong deer, especially at that time
Speaker 1: it was almost a full moon. It wasn't a full
Speaker 1: moon exactly, but just about it. So you could see
Speaker 1: a lot of the you know, ground area and stuff
Speaker 1: of course lit up. It's beautiful. And uh so right
Speaker 1: where the part where you get ready to kind of
Speaker 1: go down this little dipping up into the to the
Speaker 1: curves to the right or the left, and usually it
Speaker 1: suppos about thirty five thirty thirty five right there. I
Speaker 1: slammed on my brakes. I had my brights on everything
Speaker 1: for use, you know. And I was like, oh, because
Speaker 1: there was the dough that come running out, hauling tail
Speaker 1: right through there as fast as it could. And then
Speaker 1: there was another one. Then they came from the woods
Speaker 1: from the left going to the right to me, and
Speaker 1: uh and at that time point in time of night
Speaker 1: and every then too, you don't see too many cars
Speaker 1: come through there, so it's pretty dead through there. So
Speaker 1: there was another dough that come out, and I was like, wow, okay,
Speaker 1: another one. I was getting ready to go, but you know,
Speaker 1: I was still hesitant to make sure everything. And then
Speaker 1: here comes a buck coming right out, and I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: good sized buck. Everything. I was. It's cool seeing because
Speaker 1: I still I don't hunt this. I don't hunt anymore.
Speaker 1: I used to hunt a lot and everything, you know, obviously,
Speaker 1: but I kind of gave it up also around like
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, just other reasons why. But uh, you know,
Speaker 1: but I still enjoy seeing the nature and seeing the
Speaker 1: wild life and how wildlife you know, functions and like
Speaker 1: Discovery Channel or anything like seeing how animals do and
Speaker 1: stuff you know, eat and all that stuff graze. Well,
Speaker 1: the buck come out, and I was like, wow, that's great,
Speaker 1: you knowmember that that's cool getting ready to go, And
Speaker 1: just at that moment is getting ready to go, I
Speaker 1: just had the feeling and just I heard rustling a
Speaker 1: little bit in the woods right there, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: here comes another deer coming out. Well, to my surprise,
Speaker 1: obviously it wasn't. It was what we all know now
Speaker 1: and everything, a dog man. And there's no doubt about it.
Speaker 1: I can tell you it was. If it wasn't didn't
Speaker 1: know a dog man, I would say it was a werewolf.
Speaker 1: But it was definitely a dog man. It was on
Speaker 1: two legs. Now, Before I explain this part, the road
Speaker 1: on each both sides, it kind of has it divots
Speaker 1: down to kind of like a big like a thicker
Speaker 1: deep ditch because it kind of floods down through there
Speaker 1: quite a bit because of just how the area is
Speaker 1: and land on both sides, and then but also the
Speaker 1: land on each side it inclines declines down, so it's
Speaker 1: not just the ditch, but it declines down into the
Speaker 1: woods on each side, woods on both ends. So it
Speaker 1: was coming from out of there and coming up, and
Speaker 1: it just so happened to stop right there where the
Speaker 1: ditch is at. So from my car to that was
Speaker 1: for where I where it came out at, it was
Speaker 1: I could easily probably say about fifty yards, not even
Speaker 1: not yards, but feet. It wasn't far at all. And
Speaker 1: that was a part. It was more of the part
Speaker 1: that scared me and startled me more than anything was
Speaker 1: the fact that I wasn't looking for it or anything
Speaker 1: in that particular thing, because I stuck stop kind of
Speaker 1: doing things like looking for things, paranormal research kind of stuff. Anyways,
Speaker 1: I mean, I still fascinated body it, but just not
Speaker 1: you know, just trying to get home. I was tired
Speaker 1: from work, you know, So it's stopped right there when
Speaker 1: it looked straight at me and add like a burnt
Speaker 1: orangish yellowish eyes when I seen it come out. But
Speaker 1: then it kind of did a snarl growl kind of
Speaker 1: a guttural, like a real deep guttural, not in as
Speaker 1: far as some the you know stories and everything that
Speaker 1: I've heard from others on your show, not that where
Speaker 1: you feel it, but just about it, just enough to
Speaker 1: you almost feel it on the tip of your like
Speaker 1: around the edge of your skin, but not inside. But
Speaker 1: the hair in the back of my neck, and I
Speaker 1: guess you say, the hair on everywhere stood up and
Speaker 1: just different kind of feeling, like shaking, like seizure shaking,
Speaker 1: almost Tourette's type style. And I'm like one on earth,
Speaker 1: like I wasn't expecting any of that. Well, its eyes
Speaker 1: at that point in time, because I could not stop
Speaker 1: looking at its eyes. I mean, that's one thing when
Speaker 1: people say about looking it's it's like a mesmerizing slash
Speaker 1: lure like I don't know how to explain it, but
Speaker 1: it's just like you couldn't stop looking at it. But
Speaker 1: at the same time of looking at its eyes, its
Speaker 1: eyes turned from that ambush orangish yellowish to a red
Speaker 1: like it went straight to red, like I mean, it
Speaker 1: went from caution to kill mode. And not just what
Speaker 1: I noticed about the eyes of that part, but the
Speaker 1: fact that it had that red or ahead of black lines,
Speaker 1: like you know, how we have our eyes, you know,
Speaker 1: of course, you know, we have the white and then
Speaker 1: we have the lining, and then the color and then
Speaker 1: the pupil. You could definitely see the pupil of the
Speaker 1: black in the center, the black line around the eye,
Speaker 1: but the rest of it was all solid red and
Speaker 1: maybe a little orange, but mostly all red. The size
Speaker 1: of the eyes were probably like the size of a
Speaker 1: plum or maybe I wouldn't say an orange, but close
Speaker 1: to it, but between an orange, not a big orange,
Speaker 1: but like a smaller orange or a plumb. They were
Speaker 1: pretty big. And the width like as far as the head,
Speaker 1: I mean obviously the head, and when people talk about
Speaker 1: the head being big, yeah, it's it was like a football,
Speaker 1: like the length of a football went into the other
Speaker 1: maybe bigger a basketball, bigger maybe, but it was just
Speaker 1: something It's like it's still hard to fathom to see.
Speaker 1: Like you've seen movies, you've seen all this stuff. But
Speaker 1: like I was saying before the description of it, the
Speaker 1: ears were pointy. I'd say the ears were probably at
Speaker 1: least about three and a half four inches up from it,
Speaker 1: you know, where it's at pointy like in the howling,
Speaker 1: like that stature of size, you know, like as far
Speaker 1: as the way that it looked, the snout, the muzzle,
Speaker 1: I guess you'd say. It wasn't long like a wolf,
Speaker 1: but a little smaller than that, almost like a bear,
Speaker 1: but a little like in that sense, with a nose
Speaker 1: kind of like that in that sense. But of course
Speaker 1: it had that snarl with it was rising. It didn't
Speaker 1: have the word it was smiling at you, but it
Speaker 1: was showing its teeth or what I could see of
Speaker 1: a little bit from my lights and the moon hitting it.
Speaker 1: It had very sharp teeth and it looked like a
Speaker 1: bunch of them, right, I mean, the bottom. I didn't
Speaker 1: see too much of it. At the top definitely, I
Speaker 1: seen multitudes and the hair on it, like I didn't
Speaker 1: see too much on the sides like it or its neck.
Speaker 1: I mean, there was hair, but not like a mane
Speaker 1: or like you know, like a lion. It wasn't like
Speaker 1: some some say, but it was a little shorter. But
Speaker 1: what I could see of it, I knew it was
Speaker 1: on two legs obviously from the way it was running
Speaker 1: or like walking out and a fast paced kind of
Speaker 1: when it stopped. But what I could really visualize sea wise,
Speaker 1: a good look wise, was from probably about its waist up.
Speaker 1: It had hair on its chest. Now the thing about
Speaker 1: the hair on it though it covered its chest, and
Speaker 1: then it stopped. The hair. The hair went right in
Speaker 1: the middle like a like a like a strip in
Speaker 1: the middle, like a straight strip going all the way
Speaker 1: down to its belly button. It had that. And then
Speaker 1: as far as hair on its h on its arms,
Speaker 1: it had hair on shoulders and arms, but not in
Speaker 1: the inner part of its arms, for its forearms for it,
Speaker 1: but the outer part like where it's elbows, in the
Speaker 1: back end of its arm, it was longer like the
Speaker 1: hair was more of like a like a longer like
Speaker 1: you know how like a horse has hair up like
Speaker 1: by its head up the head and the hair kind
Speaker 1: of like swayed over the side. It had hair like that,
Speaker 1: but on its arms, on the outer part of it.
Speaker 1: Of course, the hands it was I've noticed that it
Speaker 1: was flickering its hands like like kind of like when
Speaker 1: you make a fist and then you bring your hand
Speaker 1: out make a fist again, but moving your fingertips and
Speaker 1: moving like the knuckles and stuff and everything too. It
Speaker 1: was doing that. And I did see the head claws,
Speaker 1: I couldn't really tell. I know they were long, pretty long,
Speaker 1: but I don't know how long exactly. Ish. I was
Speaker 1: mainly focused on its face and size, and of course
Speaker 1: I seen the breath coming out of its mouth as well.
Speaker 1: Definitely could see that when I was trying to growl
Speaker 1: and snarl and everything. Well, it it's like it had
Speaker 1: me in a trance and it's like I wanted so
Speaker 1: bad to go and it's like I tried to and
Speaker 1: it's like I was just gripping the steering wall where
Speaker 1: you can't hear the steering whell like like making that
Speaker 1: you know, kind of noise where you're you know, not
Speaker 1: ripping the steering wheel, but you're like grasping it really hard.
Speaker 1: I just so happened. I was praying and stuff too,
Speaker 1: and I was in my mind and everything. I was
Speaker 1: just trying to say, like like I okay, this is happening.
Speaker 1: But I said, I please, I want to get out
Speaker 1: of here. I want to get out of here. And
Speaker 1: I had enough feeling because I was so tense up
Speaker 1: and like straight like stricken that it was like somebody
Speaker 1: getting taste. You just tense up. I was able to
Speaker 1: slide my foot from the brake pedal and I slid
Speaker 1: it to the right of obviously real slow and just
Speaker 1: enough to kind of pull my foot over. And as
Speaker 1: soon as I pulled it enough over where that gap
Speaker 1: from the brake pedal to the gas, it just I
Speaker 1: like finally loose in it, and I it went straight
Speaker 1: to the gas. Let's just put that way, and I
Speaker 1: spun my tires and I kept going. Now, I think
Speaker 1: the Lord everything and blessed blessed that the fact that
Speaker 1: I didn't hit anybody or anything or anything, because when
Speaker 1: I took off, I could not look in front of me.
Speaker 1: At first. I was staring straight at it still, and
Speaker 1: it filed like we had eye contact all the way
Speaker 1: until I got to that that up to up to
Speaker 1: the curve to the left, to where I could finally
Speaker 1: break free from it to look at the road because
Speaker 1: I would have hit somebody, probably because I was in
Speaker 1: the other lane and everything, and I gunned it. I
Speaker 1: didn't let off the gas at all whatsoever. I went
Speaker 1: through the town's thirty five through the twenty five to
Speaker 1: thirty five into the town, and I was probably going
Speaker 1: about seventy which was stupid on my part on that,
Speaker 1: but I couldn't help it. I kept looking at my
Speaker 1: room mirror on my side meres to make sure it
Speaker 1: wasn't behind me. It did not, think the Lord, it didn't.
Speaker 1: But I kept going. I went over the there was
Speaker 1: a railroad tracks. I went over the railroad tracks. I
Speaker 1: went up like it was like one of those movies
Speaker 1: where you're like ferrist Viewer's day off, like going over
Speaker 1: those railroad tracks. I went up and just air dived
Speaker 1: it right onto the ground as sparks flew and everything,
Speaker 1: and I mess up the bumper. I ended up having
Speaker 1: to getting a control arm for my car, and you know,
Speaker 1: it damaged some stuff. And one of my headlights blew
Speaker 1: out like it went out, cracked the head, the lens,
Speaker 1: everything because where I hit down from the railroad tracks.
Speaker 1: But I kept going. I didn't stop. I kept going
Speaker 1: until I got home. I couldn't even tell who I
Speaker 1: was with at the time. I was sweating completely. I
Speaker 1: lost my whole sense of humanity at that point in time.
Speaker 1: I once again, when I was trying, you know, grasp everything,
Speaker 1: I was dry Heaven puked. It didn't make me do
Speaker 1: that because of my nerves and everything too, but just
Speaker 1: just the fact of it looking at me, when its
Speaker 1: eyes turned from that orange to the red, it was
Speaker 1: like it was telling me, you just messed up my hunt.
Speaker 1: You just like you just inter intervened, you know, like
Speaker 1: you you came, you know, like why did you do that?
Speaker 1: You know, it was pissed that I did that. And
Speaker 1: it's not like I was trying to obviously, you know,
Speaker 1: but it was just that fact of you know, I
Speaker 1: was a buzzkill to it, you know, in a sense,
Speaker 1: like it almost had whatever it was going to have
Speaker 1: for a meal. Probably still maybe did later on, I
Speaker 1: don't know, you know, but because of how fast they
Speaker 1: really are in certain things, you know, it probably wasn't
Speaker 1: a problem. But it's just the fact of that in
Speaker 1: that point in time that I messed things up for it,
Speaker 1: and I felt for I didn't sleep that night. I
Speaker 1: got maybe a couple hours the next night. It took
Speaker 1: me about two and a half three weeks probably to
Speaker 1: finally get like an actual legit normal sleep, I guess.
Speaker 1: I stayed up on the couch with my gun a lot.
Speaker 1: I sat there looking out the windows all the time.
Speaker 1: And yeah, so for the longest time, I I definitely
Speaker 1: didn't want to go out during the night. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that. I know they come out during the day
Speaker 1: because where I seen Big Mac during We've seen it
Speaker 1: during the day at that one point in time, you know.
Speaker 1: So it's not like night times is the only time.
Speaker 1: But it's worse at night, I feel because I used
Speaker 1: to be a scaredy cat at night. I used to
Speaker 1: sleep in the night light because we're just one of
Speaker 1: those things, you know. I always learned that don't be
Speaker 1: afraid of the darkest, be afraid of what's in the
Speaker 1: dark type saying. So that really had a big toll
Speaker 1: on me for a good while. Unfortunately, I did revert
Speaker 1: to alcohol some drugs a little bit, not hard drugs,
Speaker 1: but I did do a little bit of that. I'm
Speaker 1: not proud of it. I'm not anymore none of that,
Speaker 1: you know. I'm which is great, you know, it's I'm
Speaker 1: blessed and everything to happen, you know that. But I
Speaker 1: used alcohol mostly because it was a medicine to help
Speaker 1: me go to sleep and to numb that part before
Speaker 1: I go to sleep, because I would have recurring night tears,
Speaker 1: not nightmares, but night tears. I'd wake up screaming, cold sweats,
Speaker 1: waking up puking because of thinking that in my dreams
Speaker 1: that it did follow me, or it still has my
Speaker 1: scent and it still could follow me to this day
Speaker 1: in point in time, which this is about two years
Speaker 1: ago now a year and a half, two years. In
Speaker 1: the back of my head, I still feel like if
Speaker 1: it really wanted to come find me, it could, But
Speaker 1: I also am aware that and even the first time
Speaker 1: I've seen that it could have had me or my
Speaker 1: buddy at any point in time, even while we were
Speaker 1: in the tent or anything like, there's no stopping. If
Speaker 1: they want you, they're going to get you. So it
Speaker 1: took me a good while, and of you talking to
Speaker 1: me helped me realize that too, that if they wanted us,
Speaker 1: they could have us, but they didn't. So I look
Speaker 1: at it as a as a wonderful thing, and that way,
Speaker 1: the fact that you know it allowed us to leave
Speaker 1: and allowed me to leave the second time, the currents
Speaker 1: of seeing this, which I also feel like it's a
Speaker 1: blessing and part of the Father too, because in heaven,
Speaker 1: because I feel like there is protection and the sense
Speaker 1: of that way that you know that helped I'm not
Speaker 1: saying I could just go out, no gun and say
Speaker 1: I'm praying and it's not gonna hurt me. Nothing's gonna
Speaker 1: hurt me. I mean, I could pray that all I want,
Speaker 1: but doesn't mean it's going to happen. Like I said,
Speaker 1: if they want to kill you, they will and have
Speaker 1: Sometimes they probably do it before you even know that there.
Speaker 1: Because there's times that I've been hunting and everything, and
Speaker 1: I guarantee that there is plenty of them that have
Speaker 1: been there watching. And like I said, I'm thankful that
Speaker 1: the fact that of all the times or my family
Speaker 1: has been hunting, all my family has hunters and everything too,
Speaker 1: that they have not intervened and tried to do anything
Speaker 1: in that sense. So I'm very thankful of that fact.
Speaker 1: I'm still fascinated because as of research goes, I have
Speaker 1: not been doing field research, but I do a lot
Speaker 1: of like what you're kind of doing. I listen to
Speaker 1: a lot of testimonies. I like to take notes. I
Speaker 1: like to I'm very fascinated of their patterns. I would
Speaker 1: really love to know more of. I would like to
Speaker 1: go out and do a field research, but not by myself.
Speaker 1: I'd like to have at least two or three people
Speaker 1: if I could, but not just random people. I want
Speaker 1: people that are serious and that take it seriously and
Speaker 1: know that when it's time to go, it's time to go,
Speaker 1: and not be naive or gullible or whatever gonna say,
Speaker 1: let's stay all alonger even though that there's one right
Speaker 1: there staring us, You know what I mean. I want
Speaker 1: to know that they know when it's time to go,
Speaker 1: it's time to go, and vice versa. You know that
Speaker 1: I would like to study their their way of living,
Speaker 1: because I'm fascinated with with anything wildlife, for any kind
Speaker 1: of animal in sense, and learn how they adapt or
Speaker 1: how they they function in our world. So I guess
Speaker 1: you could say, if I ever wanted to see one again,
Speaker 1: yes and no, yes, as far as if I had to,
Speaker 1: you know, if it was if we knew there's an
Speaker 1: area I'd like to have at least a good seasoned
Speaker 1: researchers or ones that take seriously and know that how
Speaker 1: to protect, you know, in a sense, and not be
Speaker 1: stupid or any any of that way, or shoot and
Speaker 1: ask questions later type thing I would really appreciate, you know,
Speaker 1: like in that sense. But over in my area around
Speaker 1: here you know, I don't know anybody that would really
Speaker 1: do any you know, that kind of stuff, or even
Speaker 1: want to or acknowledge to. But it would be a
Speaker 1: privilege thought maybe if I could do it at least
Speaker 1: one time in my lifetime, to go out one time
Speaker 1: and do that. But as far as just going out
Speaker 1: or wanting to see one again, no, but I but
Speaker 1: I still say I am very fascinated over them. I'm
Speaker 1: not obsessed with them, but I think about them every
Speaker 1: day though, because they're They're another part of society or
Speaker 1: part of the world, this world as we are, and
Speaker 1: it's something that I would like to get more to
Speaker 1: know of them, because, as certain ones have told testimonies,
Speaker 1: I still have questions that probably not get answers to.
Speaker 1: But I also would like the more I know about
Speaker 1: them or or could to analyze them, the more the
Speaker 1: more feeling I would feel accomplished and what I want
Speaker 1: to learn about them in my life.
Speaker 2: Caleb, you visited some really dark places as a result
Speaker 2: of those experiences, and it's totally understandable why you did that.
Speaker 2: But I'm so glad you're able to get out of
Speaker 2: those dark places and you're at the place where you
Speaker 2: are now in your life. Thank goodness for that.
Speaker 1: That it's definitely a blessing, and just people like you
Speaker 1: having a place to reach out to someone and you
Speaker 1: reach back out too, is a big, big thing for me,
Speaker 1: Like you have no idea how much it really helps
Speaker 1: knowing that I can at least because this right here
Speaker 1: talking and other people's here this too, just like other testimonies.
Speaker 1: It might help them, but it helps me a lot
Speaker 1: knowing that it's not like a burden, but it's something
Speaker 1: lifted off of me too, like a therapy in a sense.
Speaker 1: It feels so much better knowing that I can actually
Speaker 1: share it because I haven't only shared it about three times,
Speaker 1: not on any channels, but just among some other researchers,
Speaker 1: like people that a couple of bigfoot people and then
Speaker 1: one that's UFO guy. Fortunately one of them that I
Speaker 1: was really good friends with that we were going to
Speaker 1: do researching he passed away. But it's a blessing to
Speaker 1: know that you have reached out to me, which I
Speaker 1: submit him I might you know to you, and I
Speaker 1: was hoping and praying that you know, you will eventually
Speaker 1: get to it. But as fast as you did everything,
Speaker 1: it was like it was amazing to me knowing that
Speaker 1: and the fact that you care about this kind of
Speaker 1: stuff too, you know, like you you help so much
Speaker 1: more than you think or you maybe do know him,
Speaker 1: but you know what I mean, Like it's it's I
Speaker 1: thank you for that much appreciated.
Speaker 2: Oh you're welcome. No, this is my calling. I mean,
Speaker 2: I feel so blessed to be in a position to
Speaker 2: be able to help eye witnesses such as yourself, So
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have it any other way. I'll tell you what, Caleb,
Speaker 2: We're out of time, but I've got a list of
Speaker 2: questions to ask you. Would you be open to coming
Speaker 2: back for a part too, so we could do a
Speaker 2: Q and a yeah, yeah of course. Oh good. Well
Speaker 2: if that's the case, I'll get with you to get
Speaker 2: that scheduled. But in the meantime, I want to thank
Speaker 2: you so much for coming on to tell us about
Speaker 2: these experiences. I really appreciate.
Speaker 1: It, yes, of course, and I thank you for having
Speaker 1: me and taking the time out out of your day
Speaker 1: and to have me on here as well.
Speaker 2: Oh you're welcome. I'm just glad to give you a platform.
Speaker 2: But having said that, thanks again so much for your
Speaker 2: time and have a great night,