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Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash Podcast. Tonight's guest is Caleb White. Caleb,

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welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Vic, it's good to hear from you. Thank

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you for having me on here as well.

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Speaker 2: Oh you know, you're welcome. It's great to have you,

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and of course thank you for your time. Caleb, please

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give us a brief bio on yourself.

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Speaker 1: All right, I am thirty four years old. I basically

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live and breathe wildlife in a sense. My dad's a

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while of specialist, so like I grew up on hunting, fishing,

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you know, anything outdoors. Of course, I've got to learn

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a lot about the wildlife as far as that just

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even growing up, and about nature itself as far as

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trees and everything too. I have a going to be

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ten year old daughter. She's the life of me. She

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helps me go through life a lot better than just

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being by myself, and I do appreciate her and it's

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a blessing to have her. And also I used to

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be a park ranger at one point in time, so

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that was also, you know, good benefit as far as

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nature wise and learning about things. I like comic books,

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I like movies. I kind of game here and there,

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but not as much, you know, just being busy in

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life and of course, but I take the time, you know,

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of course, help my family. Family is a big thing

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to me. I like to do that, and I like

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to help others as much as I can as far

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as anything as well. And I ride motorcycle at times,

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you know, when I can, of course, And yeah, that's

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about it.

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Speaker 2: You said that your dad is a federal wildlife specialist.

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Has that been a help or a hindrance when it

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comes to your encounters and the research that you've put

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into dog men.

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Speaker 1: I'd say it's mostly a helpful thing. I wouldn't say

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it's really too much of a hindrance. But as far

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as asking him about things like that, yeah, it's more

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of a blind eye on that as far as you know,

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trying to ask him certain things. I don't know. If

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it's just because of the position he is in and reputation,

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I don't know, but he kind of steers off a

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little bit, you know, mirrors off a little bit of

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trying to talk about things like that. He just sticks

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to the just the basic, of course, you know, just

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the basic wildlife what we all know, and books and

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things like that. But other than that, yeah, it's helped

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me a lot as far as tracks and calls and

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you know, the different appearances of any kind of animal. Though.

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I've gotten a lot of knowledge, thankfully, you know, from

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him and just him guiding me in different areas to

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see different things as far as you know, learning about

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adapting and learning about different cultures and things of different wildlife.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't imagine it would be all I could

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for his career if he openly talked about dog men.

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So I'm not surprised he's kind of closed off about it.

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Doesn't surprise me at all. Now, you also said that

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you were a park range of years ago. If that's

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a case, did you have standing orders regarding how to

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handle a dogman encounter or an encounter that an eyewitness

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might have had back then.

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Speaker 1: That time. No, As a matter of fact, I wasn't

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aware of what you'd say, dog werewolves, Yes, I mean

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anything like you know, like of course you know, we

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hear to see that in movies and certain things like that.

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But no, I didn't come to the understanding of the

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term of dog man until honestly until about twenty twenty

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seventeen eighteen. I've gotten a little bit of awareness of

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that then, but other than that, no, I have not

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had anything as far as that, just the basic of

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the wildlife aspect, you know, what we all know as guidelines,

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as far as what we see in books and common things.

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Speaker 2: What did you think about the possibility of their existence

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in the woods back in twenty eighteen when you found

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out about them. Did you think it was nonsense or

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were you open to it?

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Speaker 1: Oh? I was definitely open to it. I guess we

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can say I've always had a fascination werewolves, but just

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just of common cryptids at the time, you know, bigfoot, luckness, monster,

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even back into prehistoric stuff as far as pterodactyl, you know,

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anything like that. I've always felt, even as a young age,

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that there's more to what we've been told, and I've

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always felt that there was things out there in the

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woods that I maybe not I've witnessed at that time,

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but just the feeling of knowing that there's more to

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what meets the eye and what is told to us.

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Speaker 2: He told us about that interest in werewolves you've always had,

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but there's a particular werewolf movie that really sparked your

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interest in them. Please talk us through that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was actually the first time I've ever actually

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watched that movie. Of course, it's a cut classic, you know,

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Stephen k movie, but it's called Silver Bullet. I read

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the short novel it was called Cycle of the Werewolf.

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I read that after I watched it, of course, But

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when I first watched it, like I've watched different Frankenstein,

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certain Dracula, different things, even bat black and white like

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Bell Legosi and you know, a lot of change Junior

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and all this stuff like that, But when it comes

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to that movie, there was just I don't know, like it.

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It's like after I watched it, you know, my dad

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was thinking I would be scared, but I wasn't. I

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was just it like triggered something like a spark in

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me or something. I was just so interested and not

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just interested, but like it made me want to know

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about them. But of course, you know, at that age

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and growing up, you know, I was told that it's Hollywood,

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you know, and certain things, but there was still something

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deep inside that It just made me want to know

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more because I felt that some part of it, even

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though that it was a Hollywood type movie or you know,

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on screen, there was something that made that. You know,

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as far as you know, we hear stories, hearing their

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folklore stuff. But sometime in point in time, you know,

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in my mind always thought that every movie or book

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comes from something, even if it's a tale told, you know,

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I felt like that is still there's some kind of

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small truth to certain things, like what could make someone

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tell a story of that unless they've seen something in

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a familiar way or something that that is you know,

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made that kind of thing. At the time, I really

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did honestly believe that there was a man that could

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change into a werewolf, you know, a curse or a blessing.

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It depends on I guess how the person would take it.

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But it always maybe wonder, you know, if that part

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was a possibility. But besides the man turning into or

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a woman turning into a werewolf, just the werewolf, the

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creature itself. I felt that in my mind all the

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times that it was real, there was something about it

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that's real. I know that there is prehistoric animals like

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dire wolves, and certain things, you know, you know, things

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that are a little bigger than what we see as

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the common wolf. But as far as something standing on

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two legs like that and being a primal animal, as

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far as being like that, I felt that there has

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been something like that all my life. It's hard to

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explain it in that way, but it's just it's just

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something that I've always been fascinated and trigued by, but

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just that there is something really like that out there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. It's funny how all your life you have this

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feeling that there was something out there like that, and

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then later on, years later you found out that, yeah,

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there definitely are things out there like that. So who

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would have ever thought it?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 2: You talked about Silver Bullet, and that's a solid movie,

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a really good movie. But present day, is that still

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your favorite swearwolf movie or is there another movie that

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you liked better.

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Speaker 1: I'll have to admit it's still one of my favorites.

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Another one that had to be honest with you, there

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is another one or maybe two that has I guess

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you would say kind of almost come to the equality

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of being my favorite number like top one, but I'd

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say my top second two would have to be the howling,

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not just because I've seen that before I've had my encounter,

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but just the fact of how realistic that was as well.

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it that just that one for sure when I watched that,

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it was something that it was besides of course the

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man turning into that, just the werewolf itself as that

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has really stuck with me. The features, the way that

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actually in the trees, like how it you know, in

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some of the scenes that there were killings, it was

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in the trees, and you think about it, it's like

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they don't just you know, walk on, run on two

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feet and whatever. I mean, you think about it now

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then and stuff, it's like, of course, why couldn't they

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be in trees too? And one basic thing, you know,

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even of me hunting or anything, one thing that I've

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found fascinating or intriguing is the fact that sometimes you know,

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you never really seem to really acknowledge or really to

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look up. So it's like it's something that really would

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think in your head, you know it, don't just look

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around you, but look up because you never know what

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really good point. Like you said, most

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people never do look up. If you've had a dog

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please tell us about your encounters. Now, give us ever

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last detail that comes to mind.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, around two thousand and seven, it was,

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of course, of summer, because I was still in school.

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I graduated in twenty ten, so you know, it was

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I was still a little young. I would be, you know,

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going to my buddy's house. His name is Ethan. We've

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been childhood friends since then and still actually to this day.

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Most of my friends have gone and left and out

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of state and moved on, but I still he's the

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only one out of all my friends that I still

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or he makes contact with me. And it's a blessing

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because you know, he's always been a great friend and

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wonderful friend, a brother to me in a sense. And well,

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you know, of course we've always had our adventures like

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any kind of kid would do, you know, just have

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your out in the wilderness or out and you know

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type thing being wild kids as we were now. Now,

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the bus driver, you know, of course, was a family

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friend of my mom and family friend of his mom.

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I go over to Ethan's you know, of course I

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would ask him, and he would ask his mom, and

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his mom would tell the bus driver too, you know,

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he didn't live very far from me, even from my

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home itself, and of course my Papa's house, which I

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will explain a little bit more of the occurrences that

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happened there. He lived in development right there, like with

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you know, like a development of houses and stuff. So

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I would get off the bus to his house, and

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usually the first thing we'd do is run inside his house,

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drop our book bags off, and get us some mountain

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dew and slim gym and so like cool kids, you know,

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and the first thing we want to do is go

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out and build a fort and have our adventures in

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the woods. Well will you do that? Quite often there

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was you know, obviously the tsurants. That started it all

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was we decided to, you know, go out there, and

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we wanted to build a fort, like I was saying before,

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a fort, you know, we need sticks, you know, we

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need certain things odds and ends. Well, his dad was

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usually gone quite a bit. His dad used to work

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doing railroad stuff. But before then he was actually a

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guy that he was in previous military. But he also

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forests in different states for make sure maintain that there

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was no wildfires and certain things like that. So but

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home on the weekends at the time, so he was

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gone a lot of times. But when he was home,

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he was in his project, was building a pool barn

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in his backyard and it was a pretty big sized

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pool barn. So and of course he had left over

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wood and stuff and we would ask him, or he

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would ask him, you know, you know, could we use

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this for such and such, you know, for the Fords

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and everything, and he said, yeah, go ahead, So we

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we would load up his little sled that he had

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this lift. It was kind of broken, so you couldn't

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use it for of course sledding anymore for snow, you know.

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So we would have a little rope on it and

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we would throw all the wood in there. And we

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there was a rock fence that actually built a flat rock,

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you know like so it was a fence build withether

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like at old times. So we would lift one he

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would lift one end, I'd lift the other and lift

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it over that and we'd cross over that and and

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we would had our adventure into the spot where where

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we would locate a you know, good spot for the

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for the ford. Now there's a cornfield out through there.

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The farmer would always have a cornfield. And the good

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partner good news is my dad, of course, being not

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just a wildless specialist, but you know he did soil

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and water and stuff too, and crop damage and certain things,

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so he knew a lot of the farmers. So one

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time the farmer was out through you know, doing his

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dute easier like he does, you know, for the crops,

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and I stopped and asked him, you know, could we

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as long as you don't make a mess and just

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you know, destroy or mess up the crops that he

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had out there, which, of course for we were respectful

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for that. As wild as we were, we still had

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to respect for you know, things like that, of course.

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And so while you know, while the corn was growing,

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we would we would walk and you know the side

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of it, you know, the side, so it was kind

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of like from his house. From the back of it,

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it was like a giant l So like we'd make

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that long stretch to the one end and then go

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straight forward, so we would actually over the fence. We'd

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go straight right and straight forward, and there was crop,

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of course in front of us, but to the right

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over from the crop there was woods, and then to

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the front of the side there was woods end. Then

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there was woods way out in front. So we decided

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right there at that corner peak, we would you know,

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dive in right through the dense kind of a little

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bit right there until we find a good decent opening.

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And you know, obviously we looked around and we found

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a good spot and said, okay, this, this would be perfect.

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So you know, we would take our little pocket knives

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and carve out you know, like sharpened little things and

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cut up sticks and stuff and stick in the ground

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to make like a kind of like you know, like

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a little base area around like you know, like a

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to start off like forty two wise, and then we

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would start using of course the flat pieces that you

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would have for like sighting and the roofing parts like

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plywood and certain things. We'd use that for the walls,

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and of course later on we'd top it off with

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a tarp. And I so happened to go get a tarp.

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It was camouflage and it made it even perfect, you know,

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to fit in with everything. So we would do that,

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and then you know, we had our fort be in

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the kids and we'd talk about at the school of

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course and everything, and you know, it was kind of cool.

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It was important. We called it Little Fort Knox actually,

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so it was. It was just one of those things

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that just a fellowship and the thing we did together.

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And we'd sit in after it was done, you know,

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sit and talk about things and you know, act like

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we were like war heroes and you know kind of things,

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you know, little military, you know, and but we would

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do that. And of course, you know by some of

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the friends here and that here and there, he had

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a buddy of course that a couple of them that

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lived in development as well, a couple of years younger

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than us that wanted to join along and see the

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fort and you know and everything. So you know, we

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would kind of have like an initiation like say the

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past word, you know, like kids, you know you do

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and everything, and you know, we had add one by one,

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you know, certain friends and stuff that would be make

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our like kind of the movie Seeing King, Stephen King's it,

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you know, like the Losers Club, So we would have

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like our own club like together in a sense. It

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so happened that it just happened just during the summer

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the same year, of course, after because it didn't take

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long to build it and everything, you know, maybe three

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or four days, you know, after school, but it took

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you know, just this one particular day. I'm pretty sure

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it was on a Friday, because I got to stay

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the night at his house and I used to stay

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on the weekends, you know. So we were getting ready

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to go back there and James went over. He went

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over first, one of the buddies, you know, Ethan was

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more friends with him than I was, but he was

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still a friend of mine. He went over first, Then

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Ethan went across, and then I hopped on a little cross.

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I was more of the happier one out of the bunch,

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because they were more skinnier. I was more of a

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little bit of bigger kid. But so at the time,

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you know, we did that, and as soon as I

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went over that the rock fence, I just looked up

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and the corn at the time, you know, obviously it

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wasn't like tall tall. It was probably about waist high,

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just growing, you know, getting there, getting this way up

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and uh right, we're kind of our forts at right

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there at that kind of curve end after you make

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that right and straight across, you know, like it makes

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like another curve to the left of a like a

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length of woods. Well, there was this white, bushy looking

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face that that's the first thing that I seen, sticking

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just thick woods. And then you just see that, and

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I like stopped and looked and you could just see

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it and you see all the trees and leaves moving,

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but that was staying still. And of course it was about,

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you know, pretty good height wise up, so it was

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kind of unusual. And I just said Ethan, and he

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said yeah, and I said, you're probably not gonna believe me,

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and he stopped and he looked at me and he said,

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try me. I said, okay, so I just seen a

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big head that's white, like a big bulky looking ahead.

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And he looked at me and he looked over at James,

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and James looked at him and then me and went,

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you've seen it too. And I said, what do you

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mean you've seen it too? And he says, we've been

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seeing because of course they went out more you know, together,

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because he lives not even two houses from him, so

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they of course they went out more than you know

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together when I couldn't come over, so I said, don't

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be pulling my leg and they're like, He's like, bro,

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we're not pulling your leg. This is what we believe.

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You trust me. We've been seeing this. So I said,

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you've been seeing this too, and he says, yes. We

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just didn't want to say nothing. That's why he said that.

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He told me, he said try me, because he went

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to see what I seen first. So then they came

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and gave him a confirmation, and James course gave him

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confirmation that okay, they're not just seeing stuff, just seeing

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things out of the blue, you know, with their eyes,

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you know, like just some aspiration or something you know,

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so I was like, okay, you know, and and a

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couple occasions they said that they would see it too,

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you know, and it would stick half its body out

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and go back in the woods. And so we would

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kind of talk about a little bit and I was like, well,

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I'm still going to go back there, and he said, well, yeah,

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well let's just kind of walk a hofle slow, so,

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you know. And I didn't blame him because I kind

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of got a little on edge on that. I was like, okay,

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you know. So while we were walking back there, we

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found right and like, and this is the thing that's

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crazy when I noticed this. Anytime we've been together, like

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we've walked together or done anything, it I'm sensitive to

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like the paranormal and certain things and almost like in

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an mpath too. But all my life I've been kind

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of like have paranormal activity and certain things too. Things

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my family has too, of my mom's sipes for sure.

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But when we're together, it's, like I'm telling you, it's

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like we open a door or something or or it's

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like a giant magnet for odd things to happen you

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can't explain. And it's been through our like through our lives,

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you know, since we were young that we've heard things,

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seen things out of the ordinary. Things fly off the

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shelves at his house, just random things. And he wouldn't

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really had with James as much or anybody else's friends,

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but just us. It was just me and him that

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would have these. It couldn't explain it well. So while

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we were walking to get towards there, James stopped first

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because he was in front. Then Ethan stopped and he

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looked over at me, and I stopped and said what

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And he says, you won't believe this look? And he

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pointed it down, and when you believe, we've seen a

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cat laying there, not in the not in the Cornfield park,

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but right there at the walk where it's clear there's

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no corn growing in the rock fence, right there, and

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it was twisted in half, and I mean like someone

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picked it up and twisted its torso like its legs

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were up and were it's supposed to be down, you know,

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the back legs. And I will never forget the face

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because it wasn't just that one, but a couple of

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occasions that we went back there, we found certain cats

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that in the exact same position unless they're missing their

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tail or a foot or something that they had this face.

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It looked like a tear, like their mouths were open,

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like it was like getting ready to like me ow,

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you know, like a kind of thing. But it it

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the eyes were open, all of them all the time,

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you know, but it had its mouth open like it

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was in tear, like it died pet like terrified. And

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that was something that stuck in my mind and him too,

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and he was like, it's just weird, and I was

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like yeah, and I was thinking, well, do you think

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it could be like maybe, you know, when the armors

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out here and the combine maybe or something, you know,

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And he's like, this this cat was these cats are

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you know? This cat wasn't out here at that time,

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and of course the corns aren't grown, so of course

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I'm not going to have combine out there or anything too.

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But I tried thinking of things just that could be possibly,

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you know, saying, I guess you could say, or coincidence

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wise maybe, but obviously we've started growing as I had

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grown up and everything with them, there is no coincidence

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of anything we've ever come in contact with. But that

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was something that really stuck with me. Because I'm a

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big animal person, even wildlife wise or anything, like, I

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love enjoying seeing and that really did took at my

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heart for at my heart because it was like wow,

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like who would do that? You know, like that is

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inhumane beyond and uh, you know a freaked him out

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too and everything of course, you know, and like I said,

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time to time going to the fort, we'd see here

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and there cats the same way, and I'd always ask

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him and then he's like, I don't want to think

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about it, you know, and James will be But James

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only came out maybe three times out of the times

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that we went back there because he started getting kind

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of scared and didn't want to go back there anymore

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because of seeing that. In certain things, James was more

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of a I guess on term a scientific way or

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an explanation of EMC equals. You know, he was more

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of that, like he had to have a reasonable explanation,

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you know, paranormal wives was too hard in a sense

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for him to grasp. So you know, it was just

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me and him then most of the time, well I'd

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say probably about a week and a half two weeks

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went by, we went out there again, and you know,

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a pretty decent hot day. Of course, not too hot,

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not we've been having, you know, but close enough. So

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we took our bottles of water and we went out

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there and this time no cats know nothing, because they

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would disappear at the times we'd go back there like

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no you know, of course we'd think of wildlife. Something

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got a hold. Obviously they're hungry or whatever. So that

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would take place. Well, at this particular time that we

476
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:16,279
went back there, at the sideline, after you make that

477
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,400
right that and you follow it oid in the corner

478
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,839
and then you turn, it says you turn left, and

479
00:27:20,839 --> 00:27:23,759
it's that straight all the way to the fort. Well

480
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,680
didn't hear any noises, but there was this god awful smell.

481
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,920
That's another thing that stuck with me always. It it

482
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,720
was like, as I've told you before, it was like

483
00:27:35,799 --> 00:27:38,640
if you've already you know, like if you're fishing and

484
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,240
you start scaling the fish, you got them and get

485
00:27:41,279 --> 00:27:42,640
all the stuff out of them, you know, and you're

486
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,400
going to keep the meat part and then the rest

487
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,079
of it, you know, you throw out to the side

488
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,599
or whatever and stuff. It had that real strong decay

489
00:27:50,759 --> 00:27:55,799
at like dead smell. But it also had that like

490
00:27:55,839 --> 00:28:00,920
a musky smell and like it almost took your breath

491
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,960
away in a sense. So we've had that a couple

492
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,319
of times going to the fort, you know, and also

493
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:11,039
a sense of feeling of like something's there. He's felt

494
00:28:11,039 --> 00:28:14,240
it too, but we kind of shrugged it off and

495
00:28:14,279 --> 00:28:16,359
went to the fort because the better that we just

496
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,240
kind of shrugged off and thought of out the things

497
00:28:18,279 --> 00:28:20,039
that were kind of made each other laugh, the better

498
00:28:20,039 --> 00:28:22,200
it would be to get to the fort instead of

499
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,599
going back. So we would do that and everything. Well

500
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,680
there's it was probably about three or four days after

501
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,720
that we decided to go back out there again. Well

502
00:28:35,079 --> 00:28:40,960
this time that smell was at the corner instead of

503
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,599
like walking a little bit and right to the you

504
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,799
know the side. It was at that corner this time,

505
00:28:44,799 --> 00:28:46,720
and I was thinking, well, maybe somebody threw some more

506
00:28:46,759 --> 00:28:51,119
stuff out or did something, you know, and He's like, okay,

507
00:28:51,319 --> 00:28:54,519
Well we kept walking, but it went away for a

508
00:28:54,559 --> 00:28:57,799
second and then it come back again and it was

509
00:28:57,839 --> 00:29:00,559
like right to the right of it. Of course in

510
00:29:00,559 --> 00:29:03,519
the woods. Didn't hear nothing, though, but we smelled it.

511
00:29:03,599 --> 00:29:06,039
It was like that's odd, you know, different spot, but

512
00:29:06,079 --> 00:29:08,799
it's moved on a little bit. More like with us. Well,

513
00:29:08,839 --> 00:29:11,599
then we kept on walking, but we kept smelling it,

514
00:29:12,279 --> 00:29:14,480
and we kept smelling it all the way to almost

515
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,200
to the fort, and when we got almost to the fort,

516
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,640
it got stronger. It was like we kept looking at

517
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:26,039
each other, like, why is the smell still like lingered

518
00:29:26,079 --> 00:29:28,119
close to us, like it like it's following some of

519
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,319
the smell's following us in the sense like and I

520
00:29:30,319 --> 00:29:32,440
actually we checked our shoes to see if we stepped

521
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,319
in something, nothing, you know, and it was like, okay,

522
00:29:35,359 --> 00:29:40,920
that's different. At that particular time, when we went to

523
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,680
the fort, the fort was torn down. It was in shreds,

524
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,200
it was in pieces sticks, the wood all was messed up, broken,

525
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,079
the tarp that had on there was ripped at pieces

526
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,400
all over inside the trees, up in the trees, all

527
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,920
over the different pieces. And I was more mad and

528
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:59,279
upset in the fact that our fort was destroyed, even

529
00:29:59,559 --> 00:30:01,519
with the orange that we had and everything, because we've

530
00:30:01,519 --> 00:30:03,519
built forts in the in the past, and you know,

531
00:30:03,599 --> 00:30:06,279
they've been taken down by storms, but it all was

532
00:30:06,319 --> 00:30:09,240
right there would laid flat. But we were so happy

533
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:13,440
that we fortified, you know, we we built a strong

534
00:30:13,519 --> 00:30:15,519
fort that even the storms couldn't take it down, so

535
00:30:15,559 --> 00:30:19,960
it was like an accomplishment, you know, build destroy, we

536
00:30:20,079 --> 00:30:23,799
build better. And I was more upset in the fact

537
00:30:23,799 --> 00:30:25,839
that it was destroyed. And he looked at me and

538
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,920
I said, somebody had to do this, you know, and

539
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,640
he do you think the farmer did? And I was like, no,

540
00:30:30,319 --> 00:30:32,799
he wouldn't. He didn't care that, you know, he wasn't

541
00:30:32,839 --> 00:30:35,279
like that. There's an older man. He wouldn't do that.

542
00:30:37,359 --> 00:30:41,119
And the fact that the pieces of the tarp and

543
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,000
certain things were up in the trees, like up up

544
00:30:44,039 --> 00:30:45,759
in the trees, and it was like, what the heck,

545
00:30:45,799 --> 00:30:47,559
you know, I was thinking, okay, well when maybe, but

546
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,480
there are some pieces that were like how in the

547
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,519
world some of the pieces of the tarp would be

548
00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:54,759
like it was like like you'd push the pieces of

549
00:30:54,799 --> 00:30:58,400
the tarp onto the limbs, like you'd puncture a hole

550
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,839
through it and stick it through the like you leave

551
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,920
like a little marks trademarks everywhere or something, you know,

552
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,079
like hanging a ribbon and try or something. And it

553
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,400
was like and then of course, you know, he was

554
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:10,839
upset about that, but he was a more upset the

555
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,839
fact they oh, man, we're gonna have to clean this up.

556
00:31:13,599 --> 00:31:15,319
My dad's gonna kill me if he sees that we

557
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,799
made a mess back here, you know. So you know,

558
00:31:18,079 --> 00:31:20,599
obviously we took the pieces that we had and whatever

559
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,440
else and kind of made a pile. You know. Eventually

560
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,480
we the next day we went back and got his

561
00:31:27,559 --> 00:31:30,880
little sled and put the pieces on there and brought

562
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,400
it back. And you know that that weekend, you know,

563
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,599
his dad was there and like, oh, well, you destroyed

564
00:31:35,599 --> 00:31:38,440
the fort and we're like, no, something did. And we

565
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,119
looked at each other and he's like, oh, okay, you know,

566
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,119
and you know, obviously we threw them the burn pile,

567
00:31:45,119 --> 00:31:49,240
as you know, they made bondfires. Well okay, well that

568
00:31:49,359 --> 00:31:52,920
was that was the start of it right there. So

569
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,839
fast forward just a little bit, probably another two weeks.

570
00:31:57,519 --> 00:32:01,119
But during those two weeks, I was thinking, well, we're

571
00:32:01,119 --> 00:32:02,680
getting to the part where we're going to be going

572
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,559
back in the school here soon. So I was like, well,

573
00:32:04,559 --> 00:32:08,039
why not let's have like a you know, a cool

574
00:32:08,079 --> 00:32:12,119
hangout bang, like last last thing before we start school

575
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:13,599
and be bored again, you know, like back in the

576
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:19,799
boarding school again. So I asked my papal where of course,

577
00:32:19,839 --> 00:32:25,160
you know, this incident, the main part took place if

578
00:32:26,039 --> 00:32:27,680
if I could, we can have like a camp out,

579
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,839
like a tent, you know, in the backyard. And he's like, well,

580
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,720
I don't know, you know, I said, you know, and

581
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,160
he said, you better make sure that you take the

582
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,319
tent down if you're done, you know, And I was respectful,

583
00:32:38,359 --> 00:32:40,799
of course, you know, of course, you know, yeah, he said,

584
00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:42,839
you ain't starting on fires. Ain't doing that because he's

585
00:32:42,839 --> 00:32:45,640
from Kentucky. My dad's side from Kentucky Mounta starting of Kentucky,

586
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,680
you know, like about an hour away from Lexington, and

587
00:32:49,759 --> 00:32:51,640
my mom's side is from Tennessee, you know, and everything.

588
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,880
So like I was known about the South, you know,

589
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:56,839
basically kind I wouldn't say born here, but I was

590
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,519
kind of raising sense. We'd go down three four times

591
00:32:59,559 --> 00:33:02,640
a year, so I'm really aware of, you know, the

592
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,720
South and everything and different things, great country and our

593
00:33:05,839 --> 00:33:09,880
great state. Love the outdoors, you know, the views of

594
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:16,240
course there. But anyways, so of course we didn't have

595
00:33:16,359 --> 00:33:18,039
a fire anything. But then I asked him, I said,

596
00:33:18,079 --> 00:33:19,799
you know, at school, and hey, would you like to

597
00:33:19,799 --> 00:33:22,599
come over and we'll have like a you know camp

598
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,920
out a night. And he's like, yeah, you know what

599
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,480
it sounds cool, that sounds like a great idea, so

600
00:33:27,799 --> 00:33:29,839
he asked his mom. Mom of course said yeah, that's fine.

601
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:34,680
You know. So it was a Friday night, so we decided,

602
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,160
even it was the summer, we just did like on

603
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,519
a weekend type thing. And this is usually during the summer.

604
00:33:39,599 --> 00:33:41,519
I was through the days. Most of the week days.

605
00:33:41,519 --> 00:33:44,480
I was busy helping my pap bar or anybody else,

606
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,160
you know, working on cars or anything. So it's kind

607
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,200
of like my incentive and his incentive too, you know,

608
00:33:50,319 --> 00:33:52,799
like we worked hard through that time, so we get

609
00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:55,960
a you know, kind of like a benefit out of it.

610
00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:01,200
So we uh, you know, obviously, my Papal went because

611
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:02,759
we couldn't drive at the time, so he went to

612
00:34:02,799 --> 00:34:05,359
go pick him up. And even though we lived in development,

613
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:06,920
it was just easier just to go pick him up

614
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:08,719
right there. So we had to go pick him up,

615
00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:11,519
and he got his backpack full like his snacks and

616
00:34:11,559 --> 00:34:13,480
slim gems and mountain dew, you know, like we do,

617
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,599
and we're all excited and happy. But Papali helped me

618
00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:18,559
build you know, like not built, but the you know,

619
00:34:18,599 --> 00:34:22,400
set the tent of course, and it was about a

620
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,320
two or three person tent. You know, it wasn't like

621
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,719
small tent, but it wasn't a big one either. But

622
00:34:27,519 --> 00:34:29,400
we said, you know, everything was great, and you know,

623
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:33,199
every remind us no start, no fires, no campfires, nothing

624
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:37,440
like that, and uh everything, and so it was like okay,

625
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,239
you know, so you know we went down back after

626
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,559
he picked picked him up. You know, we were with him.

627
00:34:42,559 --> 00:34:44,800
We will walk call him down back. Now, the layout

628
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,719
the property, the layout of it, the house, you know,

629
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,840
obviously to the front of the house. Obviously it's the

630
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,800
road right here. Now the back of the house. There's

631
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,000
a house next door which used to belong to one

632
00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,960
of my papal's best friends, which is part of a church,

633
00:35:00,039 --> 00:35:02,599
you know what my papa was help build the church

634
00:35:02,639 --> 00:35:06,239
and stuff like kind of like right next door. You know.

635
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,960
Literally the rest of the houses are kind of a

636
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,599
little bit separated by a little bit of woods, not much,

637
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,440
but just a little bit. So there was like a

638
00:35:15,519 --> 00:35:17,719
dip that goes down. You know, we used to slid

639
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,239
down the hill right here because it's literally like a dip,

640
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,840
so it dips down and in straight flat all the

641
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,800
way out to the back. Now, from the back of

642
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:31,000
the house to the cornfield. Because the new owner of

643
00:35:31,039 --> 00:35:32,239
the old owner. We used to go back and go

644
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,000
rabbit hunting, but you know, since passed away and used

645
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,400
to have cows and stuff. But since passed away, it

646
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,239
got to a new owner. He is not a little too.

647
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,840
I would say, it wasn't as nice, but it wasn't

648
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,320
really too. He wasn't mean mean, but he would just

649
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,159
he didn't want you. He want to catch you back there.

650
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:56,039
So and every year he would do either corn or wheat,

651
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,639
corn or wheat, you know, so this year he did

652
00:35:59,679 --> 00:36:02,079
wheat instead of corn, so it made it easier, you know,

653
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,360
kind of see if you're passed to there. But i'd

654
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,480
say from the back of the house to the cornfield

655
00:36:08,559 --> 00:36:11,920
or wheat you know field right there, you're because we

656
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:13,679
had a garden rate in between. You know, we would

657
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,559
always have garden every year. So between those between the

658
00:36:17,559 --> 00:36:22,159
back of the house to that, i'd say probably about

659
00:36:22,599 --> 00:36:27,920
maybe fifty yards, so, you know, a decent decent amount,

660
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,800
but not much so of course, you know, that's what

661
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,920
it was. But from the wheat field to the woods,

662
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,559
you're looking at probably about three hundred and to four

663
00:36:38,599 --> 00:36:42,920
hundred and fifty yards or more. It had a good, good,

664
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:48,320
good mount right there. So you know, we of course

665
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,159
we went down the tent. He put his backpack in

666
00:36:50,199 --> 00:36:52,000
there and got a sleeping bag set up earthing for

667
00:36:52,039 --> 00:36:56,880
the night. This is going on about eight thirty, probably seven,

668
00:36:57,639 --> 00:37:00,960
they're probably by between seven thirty and eighth there. We

669
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,480
sat in there for a minute and we're just disgusting, like, okay,

670
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,440
well we're going to do tonight. You know. I was like,

671
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,719
how about we go towards the He's like, I don't

672
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,559
know about going out. I was like, well, how about halfway?

673
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,199
And he just thought about it, and he's like, okay,

674
00:37:14,119 --> 00:37:15,559
well I do not wanted to stand there, and I

675
00:37:15,559 --> 00:37:17,119
was like, well, we'll bring chairs because I had some

676
00:37:17,119 --> 00:37:19,239
folding chairs back here, back in the back, you know.

677
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:21,440
So I was like, we can sit back there and

678
00:37:21,519 --> 00:37:23,840
kind of just watch things. You know, maybe we could

679
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,239
find something spooky or something, you know, just how we

680
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,840
did things, we'd scare each other to death sometimes just

681
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,719
for the heck of it. I guess, I don't know,

682
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,320
I think about it now why we did that, but

683
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:37,840
we just did. But so after the thing stood up,

684
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,800
we come back, you know, Papa hollered out out the window,

685
00:37:41,199 --> 00:37:43,599
had a saying, boys come on in we got he made.

686
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:47,000
He's always he's always making dinner. He was a great cook,

687
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,360
a wonderful cook. Of course, Southern cooking. So you've got

688
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,840
your green beans, you know, your mashed potatoes, corn you know,

689
00:37:54,079 --> 00:37:58,599
corn bread and soup beans, you know, fried potatoes. You know,

690
00:37:59,159 --> 00:38:01,639
no matter how you cold was, it was Southern cooking,

691
00:38:01,679 --> 00:38:06,480
it was good chicken, fried chicken, anything. So that at

692
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,320
that night we had soup beans and cornbread. We had

693
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,960
a ham hocking there and everything and and mashed potatoes

694
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,800
and stuff. So we're like, oh, man and onion. So

695
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,599
we were eating good. So we were sitting back and

696
00:38:16,639 --> 00:38:18,280
he was discussing with us, you know what you guys

697
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:19,840
are gonna do tonight, And we were like, oh, well,

698
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,119
you know, we'll just tell you other ghost stories. And

699
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,760
then you know, he's like, well, I don't scare each other.

700
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,280
Two bad. He had to come inside the house because

701
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,800
the door is gonna be locked. So we're like, yeah,

702
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,519
you know, you know, so we got none eat and everything,

703
00:38:33,599 --> 00:38:35,480
and sat and talked with my papa, my uncle of

704
00:38:35,519 --> 00:38:38,639
course you know, live still live currently as when right

705
00:38:38,639 --> 00:38:41,159
now lives there. I'm living here now taking care of him.

706
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:46,800
He's not in the best shape right now, but you know.

707
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,719
And uh so we sat in you know, fellowship with

708
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,280
each other and everything, and roll around about nine thirty

709
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,960
ten o'clock obviously dark and everything. So they're like, well,

710
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,360
we're gonna head on out there and stuff. And and

711
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,559
of course my uncle's like, we're the Boogeyman. You know.

712
00:39:02,599 --> 00:39:04,360
I started laughing, you know, and we were kind of

713
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,679
laugh like yeah, okay, you know. And so we go

714
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,880
on down back and sit in the tent for a

715
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:12,440
little bit and stuff. We would wait a little bit

716
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,719
and talk with each other. At that time, you know,

717
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,159
I had a sliding as a writing phone, sliding phone.

718
00:39:17,159 --> 00:39:19,440
I had the keyboard on it. It slides the side,

719
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,360
you know, and you can or keep his slide back

720
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,599
and you can do it regular. And he had a

721
00:39:25,679 --> 00:39:29,840
razor phone, you know, one of those flip razors, you know.

722
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,760
So we would listen to music. He had like music

723
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,840
download on his phone, like MP three at the time,

724
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,000
you know, and we listened to these little bit of

725
00:39:38,079 --> 00:39:40,519
music and certain things and stuff. And they're like, all right, well,

726
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,599
we got the chairs out here. I set the chairs

727
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,519
pre you ahead of time. He's like, you really wouldn't

728
00:39:45,519 --> 00:39:48,639
do that. I said, yeah, let's do this. So we

729
00:39:48,679 --> 00:39:51,079
got out intent you know, zipped it real quiet. I

730
00:39:51,119 --> 00:39:53,079
don't know why I remained quiet because they couldn't hear

731
00:39:53,159 --> 00:39:57,440
us from the house anyways. But we waited to see

732
00:39:57,519 --> 00:39:59,719
to make sure the light because the light and the

733
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,440
living room in the kitchen would be on and we

734
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,239
could tell when it went off they were going to bed,

735
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:08,079
so we're like, oh, prime time, you know. So we

736
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:11,360
were waiting until then, and uh, we started walking our

737
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:16,000
chairs towards the field, you know, like quietly. Still don't

738
00:40:16,039 --> 00:40:20,199
know why quietly, but we were and just talking to

739
00:40:20,199 --> 00:40:21,960
each other like, well, what if we do see something

740
00:40:22,039 --> 00:40:24,119
or what if this? And it's like, oh, well, let's

741
00:40:24,119 --> 00:40:25,960
find out and see and stuff. In the back of

742
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,679
my mind, I was really hoping we would see something.

743
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,480
I wasn't expecting what we were going to see, but

744
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,039
I was still hoping we'd see something like ghosts or

745
00:40:35,079 --> 00:40:37,280
anything really, you know, just just for the heck of it.

746
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,280
But wasn't really expecting it, but hoping too. In a sense.

747
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:48,079
I'm sure I obviously felt the same too. And so

748
00:40:48,159 --> 00:40:49,920
we went ahead and set the chairs up and we

749
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:51,760
just started telling each other a little bit here and

750
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,360
there nothing really at the point in time, got our

751
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,159
phones out, listening a little bit of music down real

752
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,599
low a little bit so we can still heart out

753
00:40:59,599 --> 00:41:03,360
of the field towards the woods, and we kind of

754
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,880
got a little drowsy, a little tired at the time.

755
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:11,519
So we were like, okay, you know, I about called it

756
00:41:11,559 --> 00:41:12,920
a rap, I guess you could say. At the time,

757
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,199
they were about, let's just go back, and well, all

758
00:41:15,199 --> 00:41:20,199
of a sudden we were hearing cows and he's like, oh,

759
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:21,639
the cows. And I was like, yeah, it's the cow's

760
00:41:21,679 --> 00:41:24,800
over there from you know, from the farmer and all

761
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,599
that stuff. And then I thought about it for a second.

762
00:41:26,599 --> 00:41:32,880
I'm like, wait a second. The only one I had

763
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,320
cows was his name. We called the farmer. His nickname

764
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:40,119
was Bunny. I don't know why is we just that's

765
00:41:40,159 --> 00:41:42,320
just what we called him, the family wise and stuff.

766
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,639
And I said he has cows and he's like, oh, okay,

767
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:48,840
and I said, no. The thing is he's been dead

768
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,360
for two years, two or three years, I said, and

769
00:41:51,519 --> 00:41:53,559
there is no cows right here anymore. And he's like, well,

770
00:41:53,559 --> 00:41:55,039
there has to be. He said, what was that? And

771
00:41:55,079 --> 00:41:58,920
I said, I don't know, because it had that sound,

772
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,039
but it was a little deep, and here it was

773
00:42:02,079 --> 00:42:04,280
sounded like there was more than one. But it was like,

774
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:05,840
you know, like I heard the cows in a sense,

775
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,360
but deeper. And he's like, well, there's got to be

776
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,159
cows over there. And I'm like, yeah, maybe you're right.

777
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,199
Maybe he's good cause we didn't know about her something

778
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,320
just to kind of ease their minds off a little bit. Well,

779
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,239
I was getting ready to tell him a joke, and

780
00:42:23,039 --> 00:42:26,920
out of nowhere this god awful scream and I'm talking

781
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:31,519
about bloody murder. I sounded like a woman was being slaughtered,

782
00:42:31,559 --> 00:42:35,079
like you see Friday thirteenth or something. I were like psycho,

783
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,280
you know, like when I get she's getting stabbed in

784
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,840
the shower, like I mean screaming, I mean, beyond the

785
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:45,400
loudest I've ever heard I scream and shook me to

786
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,880
I mean I shook in the chair and he shook

787
00:42:48,039 --> 00:42:49,679
looked at me. He said, what in the I'm like,

788
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,079
what the heck? And he's like what the He's like,

789
00:42:53,119 --> 00:42:56,199
what why? What in the world would be screaming? And

790
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,559
the way that it sounded, which makes sense now thinking

791
00:42:58,599 --> 00:43:01,199
about it, you know, later on now stuff, you know,

792
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,840
from the woods. You know, there's anywhere. Really, even if

793
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,920
you hear some people doing partying down the road, it echoes,

794
00:43:07,159 --> 00:43:11,000
especially when it's quiet, it echoes like really like you're

795
00:43:11,039 --> 00:43:13,960
almost there. And I thought it was behind me, so

796
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,920
I turned and looked behind me. And while I was

797
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:19,880
turning to look to see if it was coming back

798
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:24,320
towards the house and back up that way, all I

799
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:28,880
heard was and then boom. And I'm like, what the

800
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,840
And I turned and looked, and Ethan was like about

801
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:33,639
melted in his chair. He slid down his chair and

802
00:43:33,639 --> 00:43:35,960
he's like, oh my god, Oh my god. And I

803
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,559
was like what and he pointed, I just saw up

804
00:43:38,599 --> 00:43:40,559
and looked through the woods, right down through the woods.

805
00:43:40,599 --> 00:43:42,039
Of course it's start. But the moon was kind of

806
00:43:42,039 --> 00:43:45,960
out but not full of moon, but just enough. Well, behold,

807
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:51,519
what do we see? And we've seen which I preferred,

808
00:43:51,559 --> 00:43:53,960
I called it. We nicknamed it, so we didn't, you know,

809
00:43:54,079 --> 00:43:57,599
if we talked about in the school. Big Mac told

810
00:43:57,599 --> 00:43:59,400
me I had to come up with a nickname, you know,

811
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,199
and he's like, well, what we call it? And I

812
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,599
know it was just something out of the ordinary, something

813
00:44:05,639 --> 00:44:08,519
that come to my mind because my mom always loved

814
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,159
McDonald's Big Max, and it was big no matter what

815
00:44:12,199 --> 00:44:14,719
it was, so we called a big Mac and he's like, okay, cool,

816
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:20,400
you know. But anyways, so this thing obviously like we've

817
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:25,159
seen before in his backyard, big white and the body

818
00:44:25,199 --> 00:44:28,679
of this thing like it reminded you of if you've

819
00:44:28,679 --> 00:44:32,159
seen Monsters, inc. It reminds you of the body style,

820
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:36,760
the bulk and the like the muscle mass and everything

821
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:43,000
in the fur like Sully from Monsters Inc. That big

822
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,920
stature like style. But it was standing there right by

823
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,920
this tree. Because only there's one tree right, there's woods,

824
00:44:50,519 --> 00:44:53,559
then there's the wheat field, one single tree, one big tree,

825
00:44:53,639 --> 00:44:56,639
and then singles off again into like wheat and then

826
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,760
the other side of the woods and lo and behold

827
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,880
right there, it took off to the right, not towards us,

828
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,880
but to the right of the woods. And you can

829
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,679
hear every step. And I'm telling you it only took

830
00:45:08,039 --> 00:45:11,800
I can tell you about five six steps. And it

831
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:16,039
was longer. So if you were running from that tree there,

832
00:45:16,679 --> 00:45:19,679
it would take you way more steps than that. But

833
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,880
it took about five six different steps. And I mean

834
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,239
you can hear it going boom boom, boom, and then

835
00:45:25,679 --> 00:45:28,880
hear it go into the woods like like we was

836
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,159
tearing down stuff. And I looked back at Ethan. I

837
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:32,760
was about to say, oh my god, you see that

838
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,320
he's not in the chair. I look back and he's

839
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,400
already darted. He already darted running, and I'm thinking like,

840
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,840
oh my god. You know, so instincts, you know, like

841
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,519
I was scared. But I took off. We left chairs,

842
00:45:45,559 --> 00:45:49,320
you know, I didn't care. I took off trying to Ethan,

843
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,960
and he was already running past me. Me being a

844
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:58,079
heavy set guy, you know, but drenally kicking in already, yeah,

845
00:45:58,559 --> 00:46:01,679
already you know, felt like I was running so fast

846
00:46:02,079 --> 00:46:04,159
that I didn't touch the ground sometimes, but of course

847
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:09,960
my stumbleness, I fell when I fell down, I fell down,

848
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:11,559
I mean east and everything. And I reached out to

849
00:46:11,559 --> 00:46:14,239
Ethan and he didn't even look back. I was scared

850
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,199
to death. I had tears in my eyes because I thought,

851
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,280
you know, like in an scary movie or anything, what

852
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,599
happens to you the chick or somebody falls and that's it,

853
00:46:22,599 --> 00:46:25,920
that's all it takes, and they're dead. Well, I didn't

854
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,280
look back, but I felt that it was going to

855
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:32,039
be right there. But obviously I'm here talking about it now,

856
00:46:32,119 --> 00:46:35,000
so thank the Lord and think thankfully and being blessed

857
00:46:35,039 --> 00:46:38,679
that it left us alone at that, you know. So

858
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,639
I got up and kept on running, kept on running.

859
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,360
I mean, I ran so fast and hard that it's

860
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,599
not like I don't have asthma. But I've heard people

861
00:46:46,599 --> 00:46:49,760
that he's got asthma. And Hayler when we got back

862
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:53,559
to the tent doing that and I was doing that too,

863
00:46:53,639 --> 00:46:56,000
felt like my heart was in my throat. I thought

864
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,280
I dry heaved, going to be sick. I was more

865
00:46:59,599 --> 00:47:03,920
the fact that running plus adrenaline and being scared. We

866
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:05,960
got in the tent, zipped it up. I don't know

867
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:07,440
why we didn't go to the front of the house.

868
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,199
I I can't so I answer that question now. But

869
00:47:12,159 --> 00:47:14,280
we thought we'd be safe in the tent. Just one

870
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:19,159
of those things and stupid as it sounds, but got

871
00:47:19,199 --> 00:47:21,320
in there. He was rocking himself back and forth, back

872
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,320
and forth. And I got in there and zipped it up,

873
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,719
and I took the sleeping bag and zipped myself up

874
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:29,119
like a cocoon, and just my face was sticking out,

875
00:47:29,159 --> 00:47:31,519
and I kept trying to ask him like I couldn't

876
00:47:31,559 --> 00:47:34,639
even get nothing out. I was shaking so bad, and

877
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,719
he was just rocking himself, shaking and stuff, and I

878
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,559
was trying to ask him, like eas, what was that?

879
00:47:39,679 --> 00:47:42,760
But I could not get it out. I just couldn't.

880
00:47:43,119 --> 00:47:45,119
So we laid there. I couldn't even tell you. It

881
00:47:45,119 --> 00:47:50,119
felt like forever. He finally just looked at me and

882
00:47:50,119 --> 00:47:53,559
started crying. I started crying. He didn't say anything to

883
00:47:53,599 --> 00:47:57,239
each other at all whatsoever. We ended up crying so

884
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,559
bad that we fell asleep that way. I mean, I

885
00:48:00,199 --> 00:48:01,920
try to keep my eyes on. I mean, he went

886
00:48:02,039 --> 00:48:04,119
to sleep before I did. I think he passed out

887
00:48:04,119 --> 00:48:08,400
from so much adrenaline and everything too. But I stayed awaking,

888
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,000
just every little noise, anything cricket because it was quiet.

889
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,760
But then you started eating the crickets and certain things,

890
00:48:15,039 --> 00:48:17,679
which helped. But it's still scary because I was just

891
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,159
waiting for the thumps, like the boom boom sounds again.

892
00:48:21,039 --> 00:48:24,800
But didn't hear nothing, thankfully, or anything after that until

893
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:30,159
of course morning hit and it was like seeing the sunshine.

894
00:48:30,199 --> 00:48:34,360
It was like the most amazing feeling ever. And I

895
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,679
woke up right there. He fell asleep, still in the

896
00:48:37,679 --> 00:48:40,679
fetal position with his head down like that like, I'm

897
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:44,519
sure his neck was hurting and everything. But I got

898
00:48:44,679 --> 00:48:46,519
unzipped it, got out and showed him and he's like,

899
00:48:46,559 --> 00:48:48,000
oh like, and I was like, let's get back to

900
00:48:48,039 --> 00:48:51,159
the house. And he didn't use say anything, okay, you know, like,

901
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:52,960
so I unzipped it and we took off back to

902
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,559
the house. My uncle Steve was sitting on the porch

903
00:48:56,599 --> 00:48:59,519
smoking a cigarette, and we run back up in the

904
00:48:59,519 --> 00:49:01,599
front of the high and he's like, you guys, have

905
00:49:01,639 --> 00:49:03,480
a good time. And we didn't say anything. We just

906
00:49:03,559 --> 00:49:06,760
darted right into the right, into the right, into the

907
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,480
door in the front house and went in there and

908
00:49:10,679 --> 00:49:14,159
uh my Papal was cooking sausage and bacon and everything

909
00:49:14,159 --> 00:49:16,559
and eggs and it looks like you boys seen a ghost.

910
00:49:16,639 --> 00:49:18,039
And we just looked at each other and didn't say

911
00:49:18,039 --> 00:49:20,639
a word, didn't say nothing until I mean, obviously, it

912
00:49:20,679 --> 00:49:22,880
took it probably about a year or two until I

913
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:26,400
ended up saying something eventually. But of course they waved

914
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,559
off as is your imagination. You guys were shouldn't have

915
00:49:29,559 --> 00:49:31,599
been out in the middle of the field. You know,

916
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:37,159
that's what you get for being mischievous and miss getting

917
00:49:37,159 --> 00:49:39,360
in the mischief and all this, you know, just stuff

918
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:43,639
like that. But it just it was one of those

919
00:49:43,639 --> 00:49:45,960
things that it's like, who are going to tell or anything?

920
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,360
You know. We tried tell some other kids, but of

921
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,079
course that took off the deep end and they were

922
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,719
laughing at us, and so we knew right then and

923
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,280
there on the bus that we're not going to say

924
00:49:55,280 --> 00:50:01,320
anything that anybody. So that was just how it was

925
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,760
until this day. If we kind of talk about it,

926
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:05,559
all I have to say is big Mac and he's like, yep,

927
00:50:06,039 --> 00:50:09,480
I know. It's like, well, let's tell this person. He's like, no,

928
00:50:09,519 --> 00:50:11,320
I don't want to talk about it. I mean, he's

929
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,639
still like that now. He'd rather not say anything about

930
00:50:14,639 --> 00:50:17,320
any of that stuff. So I can't say anything. I

931
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:23,639
don't blame him. So let's fast forward. Now. I haven't

932
00:50:23,639 --> 00:50:25,960
had no counters or anything like that. As far as

933
00:50:26,039 --> 00:50:29,360
I know. It's him. He yes, I had nothing. I

934
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,920
never did ask him anymore about certain things. He's seen

935
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,679
some aspirations, some some ghost cars, certain things like that.

936
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:40,239
I guess you would say down the road. But so

937
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:45,199
fast forward to the job I have. Now, I'm still

938
00:50:45,199 --> 00:50:48,480
currently working there, but I'm working mornings now. But at

939
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,599
this time, at this point in time, I was working

940
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:58,400
night shift, so my hours were noon to nine, and

941
00:50:59,199 --> 00:51:01,400
I didn't live where I'm back here living with my

942
00:51:01,679 --> 00:51:04,519
at my you know, my uncle's house. Now technically you know,

943
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,679
my papal has been pass passed away since you know,

944
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,559
passing then for about good five four or five years now.

945
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:15,039
So this particular time, I was living in about forty

946
00:51:15,079 --> 00:51:19,039
fifteen minutes away from here, which is in Wellington, because

947
00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:23,039
I live in Castell, Ohio, so which is like fifteen

948
00:51:23,039 --> 00:51:25,199
minutes away from Sandusky, which is where Cedar points at,

949
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:29,440
you know, of course and everything. But so I lived

950
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,880
in Wellington with a woman I was currently with at

951
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:36,280
the time for in about three years. So we had

952
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,039
our own place, you know, well it's her kind of

953
00:51:38,039 --> 00:51:40,000
place in the thing with farm sheep, you know. We

954
00:51:40,199 --> 00:51:44,119
you know, I started doing farming certain things at that area.

955
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:49,800
It's all farm like legit, farmland, Amish woods fields, I mean,

956
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,800
and major deer like, I mean, you got very you

957
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:57,039
have to be very careful on driving. Deer come out

958
00:51:57,079 --> 00:52:01,320
everywhere down there. So it just so happened in particular

959
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,480
on a night I'd say it's almost kind of like

960
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,880
a night just it's not it wasn't too hot, not

961
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:11,760
too cold, just perfect good, good October type weather, maybe

962
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:15,760
a little warmer. It just it just got done raining,

963
00:52:16,559 --> 00:52:20,239
so it had that little bit of a misty you know,

964
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:25,239
real moisture, moisturized air type. You can even see some

965
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,199
of the where it rained, kind of like the steam

966
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,639
or foggy ish kind of rising off the ground from

967
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:36,440
the rain. Still. So normally I usually listened to road

968
00:52:36,519 --> 00:52:38,519
tunes on the way home or whatever and stuff, but

969
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,679
that particular night, I didn't really feel like listen to nothing.

970
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,760
Just felt like having a nice, enjoyable quiet right home

971
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,960
and and have the windows down and just mirom mo

972
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:51,000
ount and feel in the air as I drive, and

973
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:57,159
just going through a town called Rochester and then passing

974
00:52:57,199 --> 00:53:02,079
through there and then uh so Wellington. We actually technically

975
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:04,280
were living in a place called Huntington, which is like

976
00:53:04,519 --> 00:53:07,440
not even like five minutes from Wellington, Like it's just

977
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:11,280
like a side like right to the side of it,

978
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,320
small little village kind of like where I'm living at now. Castilia.

979
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:18,280
Didn't call it a town because it's technically a village.

980
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,519
So not very many people, of course, you know, you know,

981
00:53:21,559 --> 00:53:23,480
little churches here and there, and you know, a small

982
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:28,440
little rural area, and uh, I was going. I take

983
00:53:28,519 --> 00:53:30,639
usually a side road instead of going straight into Wellington

984
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:32,400
and then going out of Wellington right to the side

985
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,960
to Huntington, I take this side road that kind of

986
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,280
takes the back kind of the back ways. There's a

987
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:47,400
little town called Lanchester. So I was going through there. Uh, Pet,

988
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:49,679
you always put up my road mark because I always

989
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:52,079
go by road markers and stuff instead of like actual

990
00:53:53,119 --> 00:53:55,480
the road, like the signs of the roads, like actual

991
00:53:55,599 --> 00:53:58,360
road names. So I was known with big white churches

992
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:04,679
right there. So in the blinking there's a blinking stop

993
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,719
there's no stop light stop well stop sign, you know, blinking.

994
00:54:08,159 --> 00:54:11,320
And there's a church with an old Civil War looking

995
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,199
cannon right there. Oh, beautiful place, Like I said, there's

996
00:54:14,199 --> 00:54:17,159
all kinds of cool historical things there. So I turned

997
00:54:17,159 --> 00:54:21,199
to the right and going down towards there. And it's

998
00:54:21,199 --> 00:54:23,639
got some hilly type areas, you know, like up and down,

999
00:54:23,679 --> 00:54:26,039
you know, some curves, so you don't earn anyone to

1000
00:54:26,079 --> 00:54:30,880
go too fast, well not too fast anyways, because of deer,

1001
00:54:31,119 --> 00:54:33,760
you know, obviously really strong deer, especially at that time

1002
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:37,960
it was almost a full moon. It wasn't a full

1003
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,000
moon exactly, but just about it. So you could see

1004
00:54:40,039 --> 00:54:42,639
a lot of the you know, ground area and stuff

1005
00:54:42,639 --> 00:54:47,719
of course lit up. It's beautiful. And uh so right

1006
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,039
where the part where you get ready to kind of

1007
00:54:50,079 --> 00:54:52,480
go down this little dipping up into the to the

1008
00:54:52,519 --> 00:54:55,559
curves to the right or the left, and usually it

1009
00:54:55,599 --> 00:55:01,480
suppos about thirty five thirty thirty five right there. I

1010
00:55:01,599 --> 00:55:04,360
slammed on my brakes. I had my brights on everything

1011
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:06,159
for use, you know. And I was like, oh, because

1012
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:10,480
there was the dough that come running out, hauling tail

1013
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,119
right through there as fast as it could. And then

1014
00:55:14,119 --> 00:55:17,039
there was another one. Then they came from the woods

1015
00:55:17,039 --> 00:55:20,239
from the left going to the right to me, and

1016
00:55:20,599 --> 00:55:22,639
uh and at that time point in time of night

1017
00:55:22,679 --> 00:55:24,280
and every then too, you don't see too many cars

1018
00:55:24,519 --> 00:55:30,440
come through there, so it's pretty dead through there. So

1019
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,320
there was another dough that come out, and I was like, wow, okay,

1020
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,000
another one. I was getting ready to go, but you know,

1021
00:55:37,039 --> 00:55:38,880
I was still hesitant to make sure everything. And then

1022
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,119
here comes a buck coming right out, and I was like, wow,

1023
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,599
good sized buck. Everything. I was. It's cool seeing because

1024
00:55:43,599 --> 00:55:46,000
I still I don't hunt this. I don't hunt anymore.

1025
00:55:46,199 --> 00:55:48,239
I used to hunt a lot and everything, you know, obviously,

1026
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:51,159
but I kind of gave it up also around like

1027
00:55:51,199 --> 00:55:57,599
twenty sixteen, just other reasons why. But uh, you know,

1028
00:55:57,639 --> 00:55:59,679
but I still enjoy seeing the nature and seeing the

1029
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:04,639
wild life and how wildlife you know, functions and like

1030
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:08,880
Discovery Channel or anything like seeing how animals do and

1031
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:12,960
stuff you know, eat and all that stuff graze. Well,

1032
00:56:13,639 --> 00:56:15,320
the buck come out, and I was like, wow, that's great,

1033
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:18,800
you knowmember that that's cool getting ready to go, And

1034
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:20,519
just at that moment is getting ready to go, I

1035
00:56:20,599 --> 00:56:24,400
just had the feeling and just I heard rustling a

1036
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:25,920
little bit in the woods right there, and I was like, oh,

1037
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:31,039
here comes another deer coming out. Well, to my surprise,

1038
00:56:31,159 --> 00:56:36,719
obviously it wasn't. It was what we all know now

1039
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,440
and everything, a dog man. And there's no doubt about it.

1040
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:42,800
I can tell you it was. If it wasn't didn't

1041
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:44,400
know a dog man, I would say it was a werewolf.

1042
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:48,400
But it was definitely a dog man. It was on

1043
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:53,559
two legs. Now, Before I explain this part, the road

1044
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:57,199
on each both sides, it kind of has it divots

1045
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,079
down to kind of like a big like a thicker

1046
00:56:59,159 --> 00:57:02,320
deep ditch because it kind of floods down through there

1047
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:04,440
quite a bit because of just how the area is

1048
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:09,039
and land on both sides, and then but also the

1049
00:57:10,119 --> 00:57:17,000
land on each side it inclines declines down, so it's

1050
00:57:17,039 --> 00:57:19,679
not just the ditch, but it declines down into the

1051
00:57:19,679 --> 00:57:24,199
woods on each side, woods on both ends. So it

1052
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:27,360
was coming from out of there and coming up, and

1053
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,719
it just so happened to stop right there where the

1054
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:35,159
ditch is at. So from my car to that was

1055
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:37,920
for where I where it came out at, it was

1056
00:57:38,039 --> 00:57:42,000
I could easily probably say about fifty yards, not even

1057
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:47,960
not yards, but feet. It wasn't far at all. And

1058
00:57:50,079 --> 00:57:52,239
that was a part. It was more of the part

1059
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:55,440
that scared me and startled me more than anything was

1060
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,119
the fact that I wasn't looking for it or anything

1061
00:57:58,119 --> 00:58:00,599
in that particular thing, because I stuck stop kind of

1062
00:58:00,599 --> 00:58:04,320
doing things like looking for things, paranormal research kind of stuff. Anyways,

1063
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:06,760
I mean, I still fascinated body it, but just not

1064
00:58:07,119 --> 00:58:10,000
you know, just trying to get home. I was tired

1065
00:58:10,159 --> 00:58:13,920
from work, you know, So it's stopped right there when

1066
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,239
it looked straight at me and add like a burnt

1067
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:23,440
orangish yellowish eyes when I seen it come out. But

1068
00:58:23,559 --> 00:58:26,199
then it kind of did a snarl growl kind of

1069
00:58:26,239 --> 00:58:29,679
a guttural, like a real deep guttural, not in as

1070
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,320
far as some the you know stories and everything that

1071
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:35,159
I've heard from others on your show, not that where

1072
00:58:35,159 --> 00:58:37,679
you feel it, but just about it, just enough to

1073
00:58:38,119 --> 00:58:39,840
you almost feel it on the tip of your like

1074
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:42,880
around the edge of your skin, but not inside. But

1075
00:58:44,119 --> 00:58:45,360
the hair in the back of my neck, and I

1076
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:49,440
guess you say, the hair on everywhere stood up and

1077
00:58:49,639 --> 00:58:54,599
just different kind of feeling, like shaking, like seizure shaking,

1078
00:58:54,599 --> 00:59:01,280
almost Tourette's type style. And I'm like one on earth,

1079
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:05,000
like I wasn't expecting any of that. Well, its eyes

1080
00:59:05,039 --> 00:59:07,199
at that point in time, because I could not stop

1081
00:59:07,239 --> 00:59:09,320
looking at its eyes. I mean, that's one thing when

1082
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:14,199
people say about looking it's it's like a mesmerizing slash

1083
00:59:15,119 --> 00:59:17,159
lure like I don't know how to explain it, but

1084
00:59:17,199 --> 00:59:20,320
it's just like you couldn't stop looking at it. But

1085
00:59:21,559 --> 00:59:23,639
at the same time of looking at its eyes, its

1086
00:59:23,679 --> 00:59:29,360
eyes turned from that ambush orangish yellowish to a red

1087
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,199
like it went straight to red, like I mean, it

1088
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:38,880
went from caution to kill mode. And not just what

1089
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:42,159
I noticed about the eyes of that part, but the

1090
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:47,320
fact that it had that red or ahead of black lines,

1091
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:49,559
like you know, how we have our eyes, you know,

1092
00:59:49,559 --> 00:59:50,960
of course, you know, we have the white and then

1093
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,840
we have the lining, and then the color and then

1094
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,679
the pupil. You could definitely see the pupil of the

1095
00:59:56,719 --> 01:00:01,000
black in the center, the black line around the eye,

1096
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:04,119
but the rest of it was all solid red and

1097
01:00:04,239 --> 01:00:09,639
maybe a little orange, but mostly all red. The size

1098
01:00:09,679 --> 01:00:11,960
of the eyes were probably like the size of a

1099
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:17,440
plum or maybe I wouldn't say an orange, but close

1100
01:00:17,519 --> 01:00:20,599
to it, but between an orange, not a big orange,

1101
01:00:20,639 --> 01:00:23,559
but like a smaller orange or a plumb. They were

1102
01:00:23,599 --> 01:00:27,920
pretty big. And the width like as far as the head,

1103
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:30,639
I mean obviously the head, and when people talk about

1104
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:35,880
the head being big, yeah, it's it was like a football,

1105
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:37,840
like the length of a football went into the other

1106
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:43,079
maybe bigger a basketball, bigger maybe, but it was just

1107
01:00:43,119 --> 01:00:46,400
something It's like it's still hard to fathom to see.

1108
01:00:47,119 --> 01:00:49,480
Like you've seen movies, you've seen all this stuff. But

1109
01:00:49,559 --> 01:00:52,519
like I was saying before the description of it, the

1110
01:00:52,559 --> 01:00:55,280
ears were pointy. I'd say the ears were probably at

1111
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:58,199
least about three and a half four inches up from it,

1112
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:01,199
you know, where it's at pointy like in the howling,

1113
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:03,920
like that stature of size, you know, like as far

1114
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:07,320
as the way that it looked, the snout, the muzzle,

1115
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:12,719
I guess you'd say. It wasn't long like a wolf,

1116
01:01:13,519 --> 01:01:17,480
but a little smaller than that, almost like a bear,

1117
01:01:18,119 --> 01:01:21,159
but a little like in that sense, with a nose

1118
01:01:21,239 --> 01:01:24,559
kind of like that in that sense. But of course

1119
01:01:24,559 --> 01:01:27,199
it had that snarl with it was rising. It didn't

1120
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:29,360
have the word it was smiling at you, but it

1121
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:31,559
was showing its teeth or what I could see of

1122
01:01:31,679 --> 01:01:34,960
a little bit from my lights and the moon hitting it.

1123
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:36,920
It had very sharp teeth and it looked like a

1124
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:38,800
bunch of them, right, I mean, the bottom. I didn't

1125
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:41,360
see too much of it. At the top definitely, I

1126
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:46,800
seen multitudes and the hair on it, like I didn't

1127
01:01:47,039 --> 01:01:49,599
see too much on the sides like it or its neck.

1128
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:52,519
I mean, there was hair, but not like a mane

1129
01:01:52,599 --> 01:01:54,719
or like you know, like a lion. It wasn't like

1130
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:58,039
some some say, but it was a little shorter. But

1131
01:01:58,519 --> 01:01:59,960
what I could see of it, I knew it was

1132
01:02:00,039 --> 01:02:01,960
on two legs obviously from the way it was running

1133
01:02:02,159 --> 01:02:04,960
or like walking out and a fast paced kind of

1134
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:09,760
when it stopped. But what I could really visualize sea wise,

1135
01:02:11,559 --> 01:02:14,519
a good look wise, was from probably about its waist up.

1136
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:18,480
It had hair on its chest. Now the thing about

1137
01:02:18,519 --> 01:02:21,159
the hair on it though it covered its chest, and

1138
01:02:21,199 --> 01:02:24,679
then it stopped. The hair. The hair went right in

1139
01:02:24,679 --> 01:02:28,639
the middle like a like a like a strip in

1140
01:02:28,679 --> 01:02:31,519
the middle, like a straight strip going all the way

1141
01:02:31,519 --> 01:02:35,719
down to its belly button. It had that. And then

1142
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:40,159
as far as hair on its h on its arms,

1143
01:02:40,679 --> 01:02:42,719
it had hair on shoulders and arms, but not in

1144
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:44,599
the inner part of its arms, for its forearms for it,

1145
01:02:45,039 --> 01:02:48,199
but the outer part like where it's elbows, in the

1146
01:02:48,239 --> 01:02:51,239
back end of its arm, it was longer like the

1147
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:54,360
hair was more of like a like a longer like

1148
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:56,760
you know how like a horse has hair up like

1149
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:59,880
by its head up the head and the hair kind

1150
01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:03,320
of like swayed over the side. It had hair like that,

1151
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:06,519
but on its arms, on the outer part of it.

1152
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:09,639
Of course, the hands it was I've noticed that it

1153
01:03:09,679 --> 01:03:13,920
was flickering its hands like like kind of like when

1154
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:15,559
you make a fist and then you bring your hand

1155
01:03:15,559 --> 01:03:18,519
out make a fist again, but moving your fingertips and

1156
01:03:18,519 --> 01:03:21,320
moving like the knuckles and stuff and everything too. It

1157
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,559
was doing that. And I did see the head claws,

1158
01:03:24,599 --> 01:03:27,440
I couldn't really tell. I know they were long, pretty long,

1159
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:30,599
but I don't know how long exactly. Ish. I was

1160
01:03:30,639 --> 01:03:35,400
mainly focused on its face and size, and of course

1161
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:38,599
I seen the breath coming out of its mouth as well.

1162
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:41,199
Definitely could see that when I was trying to growl

1163
01:03:41,239 --> 01:03:48,000
and snarl and everything. Well, it it's like it had

1164
01:03:48,039 --> 01:03:50,119
me in a trance and it's like I wanted so

1165
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:52,239
bad to go and it's like I tried to and

1166
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:54,440
it's like I was just gripping the steering wall where

1167
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:57,719
you can't hear the steering whell like like making that

1168
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:01,280
you know, kind of noise where you're you know, not

1169
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:05,880
ripping the steering wheel, but you're like grasping it really hard.

1170
01:04:06,519 --> 01:04:08,599
I just so happened. I was praying and stuff too,

1171
01:04:08,639 --> 01:04:10,599
and I was in my mind and everything. I was

1172
01:04:10,639 --> 01:04:14,360
just trying to say, like like I okay, this is happening.

1173
01:04:14,599 --> 01:04:17,519
But I said, I please, I want to get out

1174
01:04:17,519 --> 01:04:19,400
of here. I want to get out of here. And

1175
01:04:21,559 --> 01:04:24,159
I had enough feeling because I was so tense up

1176
01:04:24,719 --> 01:04:28,320
and like straight like stricken that it was like somebody

1177
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:33,079
getting taste. You just tense up. I was able to

1178
01:04:33,159 --> 01:04:37,320
slide my foot from the brake pedal and I slid

1179
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:39,320
it to the right of obviously real slow and just

1180
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:43,119
enough to kind of pull my foot over. And as

1181
01:04:43,159 --> 01:04:45,559
soon as I pulled it enough over where that gap

1182
01:04:45,719 --> 01:04:49,119
from the brake pedal to the gas, it just I

1183
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:52,400
like finally loose in it, and I it went straight

1184
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:54,960
to the gas. Let's just put that way, and I

1185
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:59,440
spun my tires and I kept going. Now, I think

1186
01:04:59,519 --> 01:05:02,039
the Lord everything and blessed blessed that the fact that

1187
01:05:03,199 --> 01:05:06,639
I didn't hit anybody or anything or anything, because when

1188
01:05:06,679 --> 01:05:10,159
I took off, I could not look in front of me.

1189
01:05:10,199 --> 01:05:13,519
At first. I was staring straight at it still, and

1190
01:05:13,559 --> 01:05:16,280
it filed like we had eye contact all the way

1191
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:19,239
until I got to that that up to up to

1192
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:21,920
the curve to the left, to where I could finally

1193
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:24,440
break free from it to look at the road because

1194
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:27,519
I would have hit somebody, probably because I was in

1195
01:05:27,559 --> 01:05:32,360
the other lane and everything, and I gunned it. I

1196
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:35,599
didn't let off the gas at all whatsoever. I went

1197
01:05:35,639 --> 01:05:38,519
through the town's thirty five through the twenty five to

1198
01:05:38,599 --> 01:05:41,199
thirty five into the town, and I was probably going

1199
01:05:41,239 --> 01:05:45,239
about seventy which was stupid on my part on that,

1200
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:48,519
but I couldn't help it. I kept looking at my

1201
01:05:48,559 --> 01:05:51,239
room mirror on my side meres to make sure it

1202
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:54,719
wasn't behind me. It did not, think the Lord, it didn't.

1203
01:05:56,119 --> 01:05:58,280
But I kept going. I went over the there was

1204
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:00,440
a railroad tracks. I went over the railroad tracks. I

1205
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:02,079
went up like it was like one of those movies

1206
01:06:02,079 --> 01:06:04,719
where you're like ferrist Viewer's day off, like going over

1207
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:07,599
those railroad tracks. I went up and just air dived

1208
01:06:07,599 --> 01:06:10,119
it right onto the ground as sparks flew and everything,

1209
01:06:10,199 --> 01:06:13,599
and I mess up the bumper. I ended up having

1210
01:06:13,599 --> 01:06:18,400
to getting a control arm for my car, and you know,

1211
01:06:18,519 --> 01:06:21,000
it damaged some stuff. And one of my headlights blew

1212
01:06:21,039 --> 01:06:23,840
out like it went out, cracked the head, the lens,

1213
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:26,719
everything because where I hit down from the railroad tracks.

1214
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:29,360
But I kept going. I didn't stop. I kept going

1215
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:32,079
until I got home. I couldn't even tell who I

1216
01:06:32,119 --> 01:06:35,360
was with at the time. I was sweating completely. I

1217
01:06:37,079 --> 01:06:40,280
lost my whole sense of humanity at that point in time.

1218
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:45,440
I once again, when I was trying, you know, grasp everything,

1219
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:48,480
I was dry Heaven puked. It didn't make me do

1220
01:06:48,559 --> 01:06:54,280
that because of my nerves and everything too, but just

1221
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:56,239
just the fact of it looking at me, when its

1222
01:06:56,239 --> 01:07:01,440
eyes turned from that orange to the red, it was

1223
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:06,119
like it was telling me, you just messed up my hunt.

1224
01:07:06,199 --> 01:07:10,639
You just like you just inter intervened, you know, like

1225
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:13,000
you you came, you know, like why did you do that?

1226
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:17,360
You know, it was pissed that I did that. And

1227
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:19,280
it's not like I was trying to obviously, you know,

1228
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:23,239
but it was just that fact of you know, I

1229
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:26,079
was a buzzkill to it, you know, in a sense,

1230
01:07:26,519 --> 01:07:29,119
like it almost had whatever it was going to have

1231
01:07:29,159 --> 01:07:31,360
for a meal. Probably still maybe did later on, I

1232
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:34,159
don't know, you know, but because of how fast they

1233
01:07:34,159 --> 01:07:36,360
really are in certain things, you know, it probably wasn't

1234
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:39,119
a problem. But it's just the fact of that in

1235
01:07:39,199 --> 01:07:44,679
that point in time that I messed things up for it,

1236
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:48,400
and I felt for I didn't sleep that night. I

1237
01:07:48,519 --> 01:07:51,119
got maybe a couple hours the next night. It took

1238
01:07:51,159 --> 01:07:53,639
me about two and a half three weeks probably to

1239
01:07:53,719 --> 01:08:00,239
finally get like an actual legit normal sleep, I guess.

1240
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:04,599
I stayed up on the couch with my gun a lot.

1241
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:08,679
I sat there looking out the windows all the time.

1242
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:13,960
And yeah, so for the longest time, I I definitely

1243
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:15,960
didn't want to go out during the night. I'm not

1244
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:17,600
saying that. I know they come out during the day

1245
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:19,720
because where I seen Big Mac during We've seen it

1246
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:21,840
during the day at that one point in time, you know.

1247
01:08:22,159 --> 01:08:25,720
So it's not like night times is the only time.

1248
01:08:26,039 --> 01:08:30,199
But it's worse at night, I feel because I used

1249
01:08:30,239 --> 01:08:31,680
to be a scaredy cat at night. I used to

1250
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:35,119
sleep in the night light because we're just one of

1251
01:08:35,119 --> 01:08:37,199
those things, you know. I always learned that don't be

1252
01:08:37,239 --> 01:08:38,680
afraid of the darkest, be afraid of what's in the

1253
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:43,800
dark type saying. So that really had a big toll

1254
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:50,720
on me for a good while. Unfortunately, I did revert

1255
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:56,319
to alcohol some drugs a little bit, not hard drugs,

1256
01:08:56,359 --> 01:08:59,159
but I did do a little bit of that. I'm

1257
01:08:59,359 --> 01:09:01,479
not proud of it. I'm not anymore none of that,

1258
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:04,720
you know. I'm which is great, you know, it's I'm

1259
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:07,600
blessed and everything to happen, you know that. But I

1260
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:12,800
used alcohol mostly because it was a medicine to help

1261
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:15,720
me go to sleep and to numb that part before

1262
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:18,760
I go to sleep, because I would have recurring night tears,

1263
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:25,079
not nightmares, but night tears. I'd wake up screaming, cold sweats,

1264
01:09:25,319 --> 01:09:29,760
waking up puking because of thinking that in my dreams

1265
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:32,119
that it did follow me, or it still has my

1266
01:09:32,239 --> 01:09:35,920
scent and it still could follow me to this day

1267
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:37,560
in point in time, which this is about two years

1268
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:41,199
ago now a year and a half, two years. In

1269
01:09:41,239 --> 01:09:42,760
the back of my head, I still feel like if

1270
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:46,119
it really wanted to come find me, it could, But

1271
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:51,960
I also am aware that and even the first time

1272
01:09:52,239 --> 01:09:54,760
I've seen that it could have had me or my

1273
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:57,560
buddy at any point in time, even while we were

1274
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:00,520
in the tent or anything like, there's no stopping. If

1275
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:05,159
they want you, they're going to get you. So it

1276
01:10:05,199 --> 01:10:07,880
took me a good while, and of you talking to

1277
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:11,880
me helped me realize that too, that if they wanted us,

1278
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:14,960
they could have us, but they didn't. So I look

1279
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:18,960
at it as a as a wonderful thing, and that way,

1280
01:10:19,119 --> 01:10:23,159
the fact that you know it allowed us to leave

1281
01:10:23,359 --> 01:10:26,119
and allowed me to leave the second time, the currents

1282
01:10:26,199 --> 01:10:28,800
of seeing this, which I also feel like it's a

1283
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:31,920
blessing and part of the Father too, because in heaven,

1284
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:35,119
because I feel like there is protection and the sense

1285
01:10:35,119 --> 01:10:41,000
of that way that you know that helped I'm not

1286
01:10:41,079 --> 01:10:43,479
saying I could just go out, no gun and say

1287
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:45,680
I'm praying and it's not gonna hurt me. Nothing's gonna

1288
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:47,600
hurt me. I mean, I could pray that all I want,

1289
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:50,840
but doesn't mean it's going to happen. Like I said,

1290
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:52,640
if they want to kill you, they will and have

1291
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:55,079
Sometimes they probably do it before you even know that there.

1292
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:58,119
Because there's times that I've been hunting and everything, and

1293
01:10:58,159 --> 01:11:02,079
I guarantee that there is plenty of them that have

1294
01:11:02,199 --> 01:11:06,239
been there watching. And like I said, I'm thankful that

1295
01:11:06,319 --> 01:11:08,800
the fact that of all the times or my family

1296
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:11,840
has been hunting, all my family has hunters and everything too,

1297
01:11:12,279 --> 01:11:18,760
that they have not intervened and tried to do anything

1298
01:11:19,199 --> 01:11:23,960
in that sense. So I'm very thankful of that fact.

1299
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:27,840
I'm still fascinated because as of research goes, I have

1300
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:31,479
not been doing field research, but I do a lot

1301
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:33,800
of like what you're kind of doing. I listen to

1302
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:36,680
a lot of testimonies. I like to take notes. I

1303
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:41,640
like to I'm very fascinated of their patterns. I would

1304
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:44,119
really love to know more of. I would like to

1305
01:11:44,159 --> 01:11:46,800
go out and do a field research, but not by myself.

1306
01:11:47,079 --> 01:11:48,880
I'd like to have at least two or three people

1307
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:51,159
if I could, but not just random people. I want

1308
01:11:51,199 --> 01:11:53,520
people that are serious and that take it seriously and

1309
01:11:54,199 --> 01:11:56,479
know that when it's time to go, it's time to go,

1310
01:11:57,399 --> 01:12:00,399
and not be naive or gullible or whatever gonna say,

1311
01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:02,359
let's stay all alonger even though that there's one right

1312
01:12:02,399 --> 01:12:05,600
there staring us, You know what I mean. I want

1313
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:08,159
to know that they know when it's time to go,

1314
01:12:08,239 --> 01:12:11,079
it's time to go, and vice versa. You know that

1315
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:14,520
I would like to study their their way of living,

1316
01:12:15,239 --> 01:12:18,000
because I'm fascinated with with anything wildlife, for any kind

1317
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:21,920
of animal in sense, and learn how they adapt or

1318
01:12:22,079 --> 01:12:29,680
how they they function in our world. So I guess

1319
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:32,279
you could say, if I ever wanted to see one again,

1320
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:36,119
yes and no, yes, as far as if I had to,

1321
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:38,680
you know, if it was if we knew there's an

1322
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:41,159
area I'd like to have at least a good seasoned

1323
01:12:41,319 --> 01:12:45,439
researchers or ones that take seriously and know that how

1324
01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:47,800
to protect, you know, in a sense, and not be

1325
01:12:48,399 --> 01:12:51,439
stupid or any any of that way, or shoot and

1326
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:54,920
ask questions later type thing I would really appreciate, you know,

1327
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:57,319
like in that sense. But over in my area around

1328
01:12:57,359 --> 01:12:59,279
here you know, I don't know anybody that would really

1329
01:12:59,279 --> 01:13:01,520
do any you know, that kind of stuff, or even

1330
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:04,279
want to or acknowledge to. But it would be a

1331
01:13:04,399 --> 01:13:07,279
privilege thought maybe if I could do it at least

1332
01:13:07,319 --> 01:13:10,640
one time in my lifetime, to go out one time

1333
01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:14,079
and do that. But as far as just going out

1334
01:13:14,279 --> 01:13:18,239
or wanting to see one again, no, but I but

1335
01:13:18,359 --> 01:13:20,880
I still say I am very fascinated over them. I'm

1336
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:25,359
not obsessed with them, but I think about them every

1337
01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:29,600
day though, because they're They're another part of society or

1338
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:32,399
part of the world, this world as we are, and

1339
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:35,199
it's something that I would like to get more to

1340
01:13:35,319 --> 01:13:39,680
know of them, because, as certain ones have told testimonies,

1341
01:13:40,319 --> 01:13:42,720
I still have questions that probably not get answers to.

1342
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:45,039
But I also would like the more I know about

1343
01:13:45,039 --> 01:13:48,159
them or or could to analyze them, the more the

1344
01:13:48,159 --> 01:13:52,359
more feeling I would feel accomplished and what I want

1345
01:13:52,399 --> 01:13:54,079
to learn about them in my life.

1346
01:13:55,199 --> 01:13:59,199
Speaker 2: Caleb, you visited some really dark places as a result

1347
01:13:59,279 --> 01:14:02,760
of those experiences, and it's totally understandable why you did that.

1348
01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:05,159
But I'm so glad you're able to get out of

1349
01:14:05,159 --> 01:14:07,960
those dark places and you're at the place where you

1350
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:10,119
are now in your life. Thank goodness for that.

1351
01:14:11,319 --> 01:14:15,560
Speaker 1: That it's definitely a blessing, and just people like you

1352
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:19,760
having a place to reach out to someone and you

1353
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:23,159
reach back out too, is a big, big thing for me,

1354
01:14:23,359 --> 01:14:26,239
Like you have no idea how much it really helps

1355
01:14:26,319 --> 01:14:29,399
knowing that I can at least because this right here

1356
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:32,600
talking and other people's here this too, just like other testimonies.

1357
01:14:33,239 --> 01:14:35,119
It might help them, but it helps me a lot

1358
01:14:35,199 --> 01:14:37,880
knowing that it's not like a burden, but it's something

1359
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:40,399
lifted off of me too, like a therapy in a sense.

1360
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:45,279
It feels so much better knowing that I can actually

1361
01:14:45,319 --> 01:14:47,560
share it because I haven't only shared it about three times,

1362
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:52,600
not on any channels, but just among some other researchers,

1363
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:55,600
like people that a couple of bigfoot people and then

1364
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:59,399
one that's UFO guy. Fortunately one of them that I

1365
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:01,000
was really good friends with that we were going to

1366
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:06,199
do researching he passed away. But it's a blessing to

1367
01:15:06,279 --> 01:15:09,760
know that you have reached out to me, which I

1368
01:15:10,079 --> 01:15:12,920
submit him I might you know to you, and I

1369
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:15,520
was hoping and praying that you know, you will eventually

1370
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:17,199
get to it. But as fast as you did everything,

1371
01:15:17,199 --> 01:15:19,119
it was like it was amazing to me knowing that

1372
01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:22,399
and the fact that you care about this kind of

1373
01:15:22,399 --> 01:15:28,039
stuff too, you know, like you you help so much

1374
01:15:28,079 --> 01:15:31,119
more than you think or you maybe do know him,

1375
01:15:31,159 --> 01:15:34,359
but you know what I mean, Like it's it's I

1376
01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:37,000
thank you for that much appreciated.

1377
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:40,399
Speaker 2: Oh you're welcome. No, this is my calling. I mean,

1378
01:15:41,159 --> 01:15:43,079
I feel so blessed to be in a position to

1379
01:15:43,079 --> 01:15:45,520
be able to help eye witnesses such as yourself, So

1380
01:15:46,159 --> 01:15:49,720
I wouldn't have it any other way. I'll tell you what, Caleb,

1381
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:51,800
We're out of time, but I've got a list of

1382
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:54,439
questions to ask you. Would you be open to coming

1383
01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:56,039
back for a part too, so we could do a

1384
01:15:56,119 --> 01:16:00,439
Q and a yeah, yeah of course. Oh good. Well

1385
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:02,560
if that's the case, I'll get with you to get

1386
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:05,119
that scheduled. But in the meantime, I want to thank

1387
01:16:05,159 --> 01:16:07,479
you so much for coming on to tell us about

1388
01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:10,199
these experiences. I really appreciate.

1389
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:13,279
Speaker 1: It, yes, of course, and I thank you for having

1390
01:16:13,279 --> 01:16:15,600
me and taking the time out out of your day

1391
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:18,359
and to have me on here as well.

1392
01:16:19,199 --> 01:16:22,119
Speaker 2: Oh you're welcome. I'm just glad to give you a platform.

1393
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:24,840
But having said that, thanks again so much for your

1394
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:39,600
time and have a great night,