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welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Vic, it's good to hear from you. Thank
you for having me on here as well.
Speaker 2: Oh you know, you're welcome. It's great to have you,
and of course thank you for your time. Caleb, please
give us a brief bio on yourself.
Speaker 1: All right, I am thirty four years old. I basically
live and breathe wildlife in a sense. My dad's a
while of specialist, so like I grew up on hunting, fishing,
you know, anything outdoors. Of course, I've got to learn
a lot about the wildlife as far as that just
even growing up, and about nature itself as far as
trees and everything too. I have a going to be
ten year old daughter. She's the life of me. She
helps me go through life a lot better than just
being by myself, and I do appreciate her and it's
a blessing to have her. And also I used to
be a park ranger at one point in time, so
that was also, you know, good benefit as far as
nature wise and learning about things. I like comic books,
I like movies. I kind of game here and there,
but not as much, you know, just being busy in
life and of course, but I take the time, you know,
of course, help my family. Family is a big thing
to me. I like to do that, and I like
to help others as much as I can as far
as anything as well. And I ride motorcycle at times,
you know, when I can, of course, And yeah, that's
about it.
Speaker 2: You said that your dad is a federal wildlife specialist.
Has that been a help or a hindrance when it
comes to your encounters and the research that you've put
into dog men.
Speaker 1: I'd say it's mostly a helpful thing. I wouldn't say
it's really too much of a hindrance. But as far
as asking him about things like that, yeah, it's more
of a blind eye on that as far as you know,
trying to ask him certain things. I don't know. If
it's just because of the position he is in and reputation,
I don't know, but he kind of steers off a
little bit, you know, mirrors off a little bit of
trying to talk about things like that. He just sticks
to the just the basic, of course, you know, just
the basic wildlife what we all know, and books and
things like that. But other than that, yeah, it's helped
me a lot as far as tracks and calls and
you know, the different appearances of any kind of animal. Though.
I've gotten a lot of knowledge, thankfully, you know, from
him and just him guiding me in different areas to
see different things as far as you know, learning about
adapting and learning about different cultures and things of different wildlife.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't imagine it would be all I could
for his career if he openly talked about dog men.
So I'm not surprised he's kind of closed off about it.
Doesn't surprise me at all. Now, you also said that
you were a park range of years ago. If that's
a case, did you have standing orders regarding how to
handle a dogman encounter or an encounter that an eyewitness
might have had back then.
Speaker 1: That time. No, As a matter of fact, I wasn't
aware of what you'd say, dog werewolves, Yes, I mean
anything like you know, like of course you know, we
hear to see that in movies and certain things like that.
But no, I didn't come to the understanding of the
term of dog man until honestly until about twenty twenty
seventeen eighteen. I've gotten a little bit of awareness of
that then, but other than that, no, I have not
had anything as far as that, just the basic of
the wildlife aspect, you know, what we all know as guidelines,
as far as what we see in books and common things.
Speaker 2: What did you think about the possibility of their existence
in the woods back in twenty eighteen when you found
out about them. Did you think it was nonsense or
were you open to it?
Speaker 1: Oh? I was definitely open to it. I guess we
can say I've always had a fascination werewolves, but just
just of common cryptids at the time, you know, bigfoot, luckness, monster,
even back into prehistoric stuff as far as pterodactyl, you know,
anything like that. I've always felt, even as a young age,
that there's more to what we've been told, and I've
always felt that there was things out there in the
woods that I maybe not I've witnessed at that time,
but just the feeling of knowing that there's more to
what meets the eye and what is told to us.
Speaker 2: He told us about that interest in werewolves you've always had,
but there's a particular werewolf movie that really sparked your
interest in them. Please talk us through that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was actually the first time I've ever actually
watched that movie. Of course, it's a cut classic, you know,
Stephen k movie, but it's called Silver Bullet. I read
the short novel it was called Cycle of the Werewolf.
I read that after I watched it, of course, But
when I first watched it, like I've watched different Frankenstein,
certain Dracula, different things, even bat black and white like
Bell Legosi and you know, a lot of change Junior
and all this stuff like that, But when it comes
to that movie, there was just I don't know, like it.
It's like after I watched it, you know, my dad
was thinking I would be scared, but I wasn't. I
was just it like triggered something like a spark in
me or something. I was just so interested and not
just interested, but like it made me want to know
about them. But of course, you know, at that age
and growing up, you know, I was told that it's Hollywood,
you know, and certain things, but there was still something
deep inside that It just made me want to know
more because I felt that some part of it, even
though that it was a Hollywood type movie or you know,
on screen, there was something that made that. You know,
as far as you know, we hear stories, hearing their
folklore stuff. But sometime in point in time, you know,
in my mind always thought that every movie or book
comes from something, even if it's a tale told, you know,
I felt like that is still there's some kind of
small truth to certain things, like what could make someone
tell a story of that unless they've seen something in
a familiar way or something that that is you know,
made that kind of thing. At the time, I really
did honestly believe that there was a man that could
change into a werewolf, you know, a curse or a blessing.
It depends on I guess how the person would take it.
But it always maybe wonder, you know, if that part
was a possibility. But besides the man turning into or
a woman turning into a werewolf, just the werewolf, the
creature itself. I felt that in my mind all the
times that it was real, there was something about it
that's real. I know that there is prehistoric animals like
dire wolves, and certain things, you know, you know, things
that are a little bigger than what we see as
the common wolf. But as far as something standing on
two legs like that and being a primal animal, as
far as being like that, I felt that there has
been something like that all my life. It's hard to
explain it in that way, but it's just it's just
something that I've always been fascinated and trigued by, but
just that there is something really like that out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's funny how all your life you have this
feeling that there was something out there like that, and
then later on, years later you found out that, yeah,
there definitely are things out there like that. So who
would have ever thought it?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: You talked about Silver Bullet, and that's a solid movie,
a really good movie. But present day, is that still
your favorite swearwolf movie or is there another movie that
you liked better.
Speaker 1: I'll have to admit it's still one of my favorites.
Another one that had to be honest with you, there
is another one or maybe two that has I guess
you would say kind of almost come to the equality
of being my favorite number like top one, but I'd
say my top second two would have to be the howling,
not just because I've seen that before I've had my encounter,
but just the fact of how realistic that was as well.
But also the movie Bad Moon, it was something about
it that just that one for sure when I watched that,
it was something that it was besides of course the
man turning into that, just the werewolf itself as that
has really stuck with me. The features, the way that
actually in the trees, like how it you know, in
some of the scenes that there were killings, it was
in the trees, and you think about it, it's like
they don't just you know, walk on, run on two
feet and whatever. I mean, you think about it now
then and stuff, it's like, of course, why couldn't they
be in trees too? And one basic thing, you know,
even of me hunting or anything, one thing that I've
found fascinating or intriguing is the fact that sometimes you know,
you never really seem to really acknowledge or really to
look up. So it's like it's something that really would
think in your head, you know it, don't just look
around you, but look up because you never know what
could be hiding in trees.
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please tell us about your encounters. Now, give us ever
last detail that comes to mind.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, around two thousand and seven, it was,
of course, of summer, because I was still in school.
I graduated in twenty ten, so you know, it was
I was still a little young. I would be, you know,
going to my buddy's house. His name is Ethan. We've
been childhood friends since then and still actually to this day.
Most of my friends have gone and left and out
of state and moved on, but I still he's the
only one out of all my friends that I still
or he makes contact with me. And it's a blessing
because you know, he's always been a great friend and
wonderful friend, a brother to me in a sense. And well,
you know, of course we've always had our adventures like
any kind of kid would do, you know, just have
your out in the wilderness or out and you know
type thing being wild kids as we were now. Now,
the bus driver, you know, of course, was a family
friend of my mom and family friend of his mom.
So if I ever asked my mom, you know, could
I go over to Ethan's you know, of course I
would ask him, and he would ask his mom, and
his mom would tell the bus driver too, you know,
And so I was able to get off at his house. Now,
he didn't live very far from me, even from my
home itself, and of course my Papa's house, which I
will explain a little bit more of the occurrences that
happened there. He lived in development right there, like with
you know, like a development of houses and stuff. So
I would get off the bus to his house, and
usually the first thing we'd do is run inside his house,
drop our book bags off, and get us some mountain
dew and slim gym and so like cool kids, you know,
and the first thing we want to do is go
out and build a fort and have our adventures in
the woods. Well will you do that? Quite often there
was you know, obviously the tsurants. That started it all
was we decided to, you know, go out there, and
we wanted to build a fort, like I was saying before,
So we were like, okay, well, in order to build
a fort, you know, we need sticks, you know, we
need certain things odds and ends. Well, his dad was
usually gone quite a bit. His dad used to work
doing railroad stuff. But before then he was actually a
guy that he was in previous military. But he also
after that then he was kind of like protecting the
forests in different states for make sure maintain that there
was no wildfires and certain things like that. So but
after that, of course he started working on the railroad,
so he was working fourteen hours a day. He come
home on the weekends at the time, so he was
gone a lot of times. But when he was home,
he was in his project, was building a pool barn
in his backyard and it was a pretty big sized
pool barn. So and of course he had left over
wood and stuff and we would ask him, or he
would ask him, you know, you know, could we use
this for such and such, you know, for the Fords
and everything, and he said, yeah, go ahead, So we
we would load up his little sled that he had
this lift. It was kind of broken, so you couldn't
use it for of course sledding anymore for snow, you know.
So we would have a little rope on it and
we would throw all the wood in there. And we
there was a rock fence that actually built a flat rock,
you know like so it was a fence build withether
like at old times. So we would lift one he
would lift one end, I'd lift the other and lift
it over that and we'd cross over that and and
we would had our adventure into the spot where where
we would locate a you know, good spot for the
for the ford. Now there's a cornfield out through there.
The farmer would always have a cornfield. And the good
partner good news is my dad, of course, being not
just a wildless specialist, but you know he did soil
and water and stuff too, and crop damage and certain things,
so he knew a lot of the farmers. So one
time the farmer was out through you know, doing his
dute easier like he does, you know, for the crops,
and I stopped and asked him, you know, could we
as long as you don't make a mess and just
you know, destroy or mess up the crops that he
had out there, which, of course for we were respectful
for that. As wild as we were, we still had
to respect for you know, things like that, of course.
And so while you know, while the corn was growing,
we would we would walk and you know the side
of it, you know, the side, so it was kind
of like from his house. From the back of it,
it was like a giant l So like we'd make
that long stretch to the one end and then go
straight forward, so we would actually over the fence. We'd
go straight right and straight forward, and there was crop,
of course in front of us, but to the right
over from the crop there was woods, and then to
the front of the side there was woods end. Then
there was woods way out in front. So we decided
right there at that corner peak, we would you know,
dive in right through the dense kind of a little
bit right there until we find a good decent opening.
And you know, obviously we looked around and we found
a good spot and said, okay, this, this would be perfect.
So you know, we would take our little pocket knives
and carve out you know, like sharpened little things and
cut up sticks and stuff and stick in the ground
to make like a kind of like you know, like
a little base area around like you know, like a
to start off like forty two wise, and then we
would start using of course the flat pieces that you
would have for like sighting and the roofing parts like
plywood and certain things. We'd use that for the walls,
and of course later on we'd top it off with
a tarp. And I so happened to go get a tarp.
It was camouflage and it made it even perfect, you know,
to fit in with everything. So we would do that,
and then you know, we had our fort be in
the kids and we'd talk about at the school of
course and everything, and you know, it was kind of cool.
It was important. We called it Little Fort Knox actually,
so it was. It was just one of those things
that just a fellowship and the thing we did together.
And we'd sit in after it was done, you know,
sit and talk about things and you know, act like
we were like war heroes and you know kind of things,
you know, little military, you know, and but we would
do that. And of course, you know by some of
the friends here and that here and there, he had
a buddy of course that a couple of them that
lived in development as well, a couple of years younger
than us that wanted to join along and see the
fort and you know and everything. So you know, we
would kind of have like an initiation like say the
past word, you know, like kids, you know you do
and everything, and you know, we had add one by one,
you know, certain friends and stuff that would be make
our like kind of the movie Seeing King, Stephen King's it,
you know, like the Losers Club, So we would have
like our own club like together in a sense. It
so happened that it just happened just during the summer
the same year, of course, after because it didn't take
long to build it and everything, you know, maybe three
or four days, you know, after school, but it took
you know, just this one particular day. I'm pretty sure
it was on a Friday, because I got to stay
the night at his house and I used to stay
on the weekends, you know. So we were getting ready
to go back there and James went over. He went
over first, one of the buddies, you know, Ethan was
more friends with him than I was, but he was
still a friend of mine. He went over first, Then
Ethan went across, and then I hopped on a little cross.
I was more of the happier one out of the bunch,
because they were more skinnier. I was more of a
little bit of bigger kid. But so at the time,
you know, we did that, and as soon as I
went over that the rock fence, I just looked up
and the corn at the time, you know, obviously it
wasn't like tall tall. It was probably about waist high,
just growing, you know, getting there, getting this way up
and uh right, we're kind of our forts at right
there at that kind of curve end after you make
that right and straight across, you know, like it makes
like another curve to the left of a like a
length of woods. Well, there was this white, bushy looking
face that that's the first thing that I seen, sticking
just thick woods. And then you just see that, and
I like stopped and looked and you could just see
it and you see all the trees and leaves moving,
but that was staying still. And of course it was about,
you know, pretty good height wise up, so it was
kind of unusual. And I just said Ethan, and he
said yeah, and I said, you're probably not gonna believe me,
and he stopped and he looked at me and he said,
try me. I said, okay, so I just seen a
big head that's white, like a big bulky looking ahead.
And he looked at me and he looked over at James,
and James looked at him and then me and went,
you've seen it too. And I said, what do you
mean you've seen it too? And he says, we've been
seeing because of course they went out more you know, together,
because he lives not even two houses from him, so
they of course they went out more than you know
together when I couldn't come over, so I said, don't
be pulling my leg and they're like, He's like, bro,
we're not pulling your leg. This is what we believe.
You trust me. We've been seeing this. So I said,
you've been seeing this too, and he says, yes. We
just didn't want to say nothing. That's why he said that.
He told me, he said try me, because he went
to see what I seen first. So then they came
and gave him a confirmation, and James course gave him
confirmation that okay, they're not just seeing stuff, just seeing
things out of the blue, you know, with their eyes,
you know, like just some aspiration or something you know,
so I was like, okay, you know, and and a
couple occasions they said that they would see it too,
you know, and it would stick half its body out
and go back in the woods. And so we would
kind of talk about a little bit and I was like, well,
I'm still going to go back there, and he said, well, yeah,
well let's just kind of walk a hofle slow, so,
you know. And I didn't blame him because I kind
of got a little on edge on that. I was like, okay,
you know. So while we were walking back there, we
found right and like, and this is the thing that's
crazy when I noticed this. Anytime we've been together, like
we've walked together or done anything, it I'm sensitive to
like the paranormal and certain things and almost like in
an mpath too. But all my life I've been kind
of like have paranormal activity and certain things too. Things
my family has too, of my mom's sipes for sure.
But when we're together, it's, like I'm telling you, it's
like we open a door or something or or it's
like a giant magnet for odd things to happen you
can't explain. And it's been through our like through our lives,
you know, since we were young that we've heard things,
seen things out of the ordinary. Things fly off the
shelves at his house, just random things. And he wouldn't
really had with James as much or anybody else's friends,
but just us. It was just me and him that
would have these. It couldn't explain it well. So while
we were walking to get towards there, James stopped first
because he was in front. Then Ethan stopped and he
looked over at me, and I stopped and said what
And he says, you won't believe this look? And he
pointed it down, and when you believe, we've seen a
cat laying there, not in the not in the Cornfield park,
but right there at the walk where it's clear there's
no corn growing in the rock fence, right there, and
it was twisted in half, and I mean like someone
picked it up and twisted its torso like its legs
were up and were it's supposed to be down, you know,
the back legs. And I will never forget the face
because it wasn't just that one, but a couple of
occasions that we went back there, we found certain cats
that in the exact same position unless they're missing their
tail or a foot or something that they had this face.
It looked like a tear, like their mouths were open,
like it was like getting ready to like me ow,
you know, like a kind of thing. But it it
the eyes were open, all of them all the time,
you know, but it had its mouth open like it
was in tear, like it died pet like terrified. And
that was something that stuck in my mind and him too,
and he was like, it's just weird, and I was
like yeah, and I was thinking, well, do you think
it could be like maybe, you know, when the armors
out here and the combine maybe or something, you know,
And he's like, this this cat was these cats are
you know? This cat wasn't out here at that time,
and of course the corns aren't grown, so of course
I'm not going to have combine out there or anything too.
But I tried thinking of things just that could be possibly,
you know, saying, I guess you could say, or coincidence
wise maybe, but obviously we've started growing as I had
grown up and everything with them, there is no coincidence
of anything we've ever come in contact with. But that
was something that really stuck with me. Because I'm a
big animal person, even wildlife wise or anything, like, I
love enjoying seeing and that really did took at my
heart for at my heart because it was like wow,
like who would do that? You know, like that is
inhumane beyond and uh, you know a freaked him out
too and everything of course, you know, and like I said,
time to time going to the fort, we'd see here
and there cats the same way, and I'd always ask
him and then he's like, I don't want to think
about it, you know, and James will be But James
only came out maybe three times out of the times
that we went back there because he started getting kind
of scared and didn't want to go back there anymore
because of seeing that. In certain things, James was more
of a I guess on term a scientific way or
an explanation of EMC equals. You know, he was more
of that, like he had to have a reasonable explanation,
you know, paranormal wives was too hard in a sense
for him to grasp. So you know, it was just
me and him then most of the time, well I'd
say probably about a week and a half two weeks
went by, we went out there again, and you know,
a pretty decent hot day. Of course, not too hot,
not we've been having, you know, but close enough. So
we took our bottles of water and we went out
there and this time no cats know nothing, because they
would disappear at the times we'd go back there like
no you know, of course we'd think of wildlife. Something
got a hold. Obviously they're hungry or whatever. So that
would take place. Well, at this particular time that we
went back there, at the sideline, after you make that
right that and you follow it oid in the corner
and then you turn, it says you turn left, and
it's that straight all the way to the fort. Well
didn't hear any noises, but there was this god awful smell.
That's another thing that stuck with me always. It it
was like, as I've told you before, it was like
if you've already you know, like if you're fishing and
you start scaling the fish, you got them and get
all the stuff out of them, you know, and you're
going to keep the meat part and then the rest
of it, you know, you throw out to the side
or whatever and stuff. It had that real strong decay
at like dead smell. But it also had that like
a musky smell and like it almost took your breath
away in a sense. So we've had that a couple
of times going to the fort, you know, and also
a sense of feeling of like something's there. He's felt
it too, but we kind of shrugged it off and
went to the fort because the better that we just
kind of shrugged off and thought of out the things
that were kind of made each other laugh, the better
it would be to get to the fort instead of
going back. So we would do that and everything. Well
there's it was probably about three or four days after
that we decided to go back out there again. Well
this time that smell was at the corner instead of
like walking a little bit and right to the you
know the side. It was at that corner this time,
and I was thinking, well, maybe somebody threw some more
stuff out or did something, you know, and He's like, okay,
Well we kept walking, but it went away for a
second and then it come back again and it was
like right to the right of it. Of course in
the woods. Didn't hear nothing, though, but we smelled it.
It was like that's odd, you know, different spot, but
it's moved on a little bit. More like with us. Well,
then we kept on walking, but we kept smelling it,
and we kept smelling it all the way to almost
to the fort, and when we got almost to the fort,
it got stronger. It was like we kept looking at
each other, like, why is the smell still like lingered
close to us, like it like it's following some of
the smell's following us in the sense like and I
actually we checked our shoes to see if we stepped
in something, nothing, you know, and it was like, okay,
that's different. At that particular time, when we went to
the fort, the fort was torn down. It was in shreds,
it was in pieces sticks, the wood all was messed up, broken,
the tarp that had on there was ripped at pieces
all over inside the trees, up in the trees, all
over the different pieces. And I was more mad and
upset in the fact that our fort was destroyed, even
with the orange that we had and everything, because we've
built forts in the in the past, and you know,
they've been taken down by storms, but it all was
right there would laid flat. But we were so happy
that we fortified, you know, we we built a strong
fort that even the storms couldn't take it down, so
it was like an accomplishment, you know, build destroy, we
build better. And I was more upset in the fact
that it was destroyed. And he looked at me and
I said, somebody had to do this, you know, and
he do you think the farmer did? And I was like, no,
he wouldn't. He didn't care that, you know, he wasn't
like that. There's an older man. He wouldn't do that.
And the fact that the pieces of the tarp and
certain things were up in the trees, like up up
in the trees, and it was like, what the heck,
you know, I was thinking, okay, well when maybe, but
there are some pieces that were like how in the
world some of the pieces of the tarp would be
like it was like like you'd push the pieces of
the tarp onto the limbs, like you'd puncture a hole
through it and stick it through the like you leave
like a little marks trademarks everywhere or something, you know,
like hanging a ribbon and try or something. And it
was like and then of course, you know, he was
upset about that, but he was a more upset the
fact they oh, man, we're gonna have to clean this up.
My dad's gonna kill me if he sees that we
made a mess back here, you know. So you know,
obviously we took the pieces that we had and whatever
else and kind of made a pile. You know. Eventually
we the next day we went back and got his
little sled and put the pieces on there and brought
it back. And you know that that weekend, you know,
his dad was there and like, oh, well, you destroyed
the fort and we're like, no, something did. And we
looked at each other and he's like, oh, okay, you know,
and you know, obviously we threw them the burn pile,
as you know, they made bondfires. Well okay, well that
was that was the start of it right there. So
fast forward just a little bit, probably another two weeks.
But during those two weeks, I was thinking, well, we're
getting to the part where we're going to be going
back in the school here soon. So I was like, well,
why not let's have like a you know, a cool
hangout bang, like last last thing before we start school
and be bored again, you know, like back in the
boarding school again. So I asked my papal where of course,
you know, this incident, the main part took place if
if I could, we can have like a camp out,
like a tent, you know, in the backyard. And he's like, well,
I don't know, you know, I said, you know, and
he said, you better make sure that you take the
tent down if you're done, you know, And I was respectful,
of course, you know, of course, you know, yeah, he said,
you ain't starting on fires. Ain't doing that because he's
from Kentucky. My dad's side from Kentucky Mounta starting of Kentucky,
you know, like about an hour away from Lexington, and
my mom's side is from Tennessee, you know, and everything.
So like I was known about the South, you know,
basically kind I wouldn't say born here, but I was
kind of raising sense. We'd go down three four times
a year, so I'm really aware of, you know, the
South and everything and different things, great country and our
great state. Love the outdoors, you know, the views of
course there. But anyways, so of course we didn't have
a fire anything. But then I asked him, I said,
you know, at school, and hey, would you like to
come over and we'll have like a you know camp
out a night. And he's like, yeah, you know what
it sounds cool, that sounds like a great idea, so
he asked his mom. Mom of course said yeah, that's fine.
You know. So it was a Friday night, so we decided,
even it was the summer, we just did like on
a weekend type thing. And this is usually during the summer.
I was through the days. Most of the week days.
I was busy helping my pap bar or anybody else,
you know, working on cars or anything. So it's kind
of like my incentive and his incentive too, you know,
like we worked hard through that time, so we get
a you know, kind of like a benefit out of it.
So we uh, you know, obviously, my Papal went because
we couldn't drive at the time, so he went to
go pick him up. And even though we lived in development,
it was just easier just to go pick him up
right there. So we had to go pick him up,
and he got his backpack full like his snacks and
slim gems and mountain dew, you know, like we do,
and we're all excited and happy. But Papali helped me
build you know, like not built, but the you know,
set the tent of course, and it was about a
two or three person tent. You know, it wasn't like
small tent, but it wasn't a big one either. But
we said, you know, everything was great, and you know,
every remind us no start, no fires, no campfires, nothing
like that, and uh everything, and so it was like okay,
you know, so you know we went down back after
he picked picked him up. You know, we were with him.
We will walk call him down back. Now, the layout
the property, the layout of it, the house, you know,
obviously to the front of the house. Obviously it's the
road right here. Now the back of the house. There's
a house next door which used to belong to one
of my papal's best friends, which is part of a church,
you know what my papa was help build the church
and stuff like kind of like right next door. You know.
Literally the rest of the houses are kind of a
little bit separated by a little bit of woods, not much,
but just a little bit. So there was like a
dip that goes down. You know, we used to slid
down the hill right here because it's literally like a dip,
so it dips down and in straight flat all the
way out to the back. Now, from the back of
the house to the cornfield. Because the new owner of
the old owner. We used to go back and go
rabbit hunting, but you know, since passed away and used
to have cows and stuff. But since passed away, it
got to a new owner. He is not a little too.
I would say, it wasn't as nice, but it wasn't
really too. He wasn't mean mean, but he would just
he didn't want you. He want to catch you back there.
So and every year he would do either corn or wheat,
corn or wheat, you know, so this year he did
wheat instead of corn, so it made it easier, you know,
kind of see if you're passed to there. But i'd
say from the back of the house to the cornfield
or wheat you know field right there, you're because we
had a garden rate in between. You know, we would
always have garden every year. So between those between the
back of the house to that, i'd say probably about
maybe fifty yards, so, you know, a decent decent amount,
but not much so of course, you know, that's what
it was. But from the wheat field to the woods,
you're looking at probably about three hundred and to four
hundred and fifty yards or more. It had a good, good,
good mount right there. So you know, we of course
we went down the tent. He put his backpack in
there and got a sleeping bag set up earthing for
the night. This is going on about eight thirty, probably seven,
they're probably by between seven thirty and eighth there. We
sat in there for a minute and we're just disgusting, like, okay,
well we're going to do tonight. You know. I was like,
how about we go towards the He's like, I don't
know about going out. I was like, well, how about halfway?
And he just thought about it, and he's like, okay,
well I do not wanted to stand there, and I
was like, well, we'll bring chairs because I had some
folding chairs back here, back in the back, you know.
So I was like, we can sit back there and
kind of just watch things. You know, maybe we could
find something spooky or something, you know, just how we
did things, we'd scare each other to death sometimes just
for the heck of it. I guess, I don't know,
I think about it now why we did that, but
we just did. But so after the thing stood up,
we come back, you know, Papa hollered out out the window,
had a saying, boys come on in we got he made.
He's always he's always making dinner. He was a great cook,
a wonderful cook. Of course, Southern cooking. So you've got
your green beans, you know, your mashed potatoes, corn you know,
corn bread and soup beans, you know, fried potatoes. You know,
no matter how you cold was, it was Southern cooking,
it was good chicken, fried chicken, anything. So that at
that night we had soup beans and cornbread. We had
a ham hocking there and everything and and mashed potatoes
and stuff. So we're like, oh, man and onion. So
we were eating good. So we were sitting back and
he was discussing with us, you know what you guys
are gonna do tonight, And we were like, oh, well,
you know, we'll just tell you other ghost stories. And
then you know, he's like, well, I don't scare each other.
Two bad. He had to come inside the house because
the door is gonna be locked. So we're like, yeah,
you know, you know, so we got none eat and everything,
and sat and talked with my papa, my uncle of
course you know, live still live currently as when right
now lives there. I'm living here now taking care of him.
He's not in the best shape right now, but you know.
And uh so we sat in you know, fellowship with
each other and everything, and roll around about nine thirty
ten o'clock obviously dark and everything. So they're like, well,
we're gonna head on out there and stuff. And and
of course my uncle's like, we're the Boogeyman. You know.
I started laughing, you know, and we were kind of
laugh like yeah, okay, you know. And so we go
on down back and sit in the tent for a
little bit and stuff. We would wait a little bit
and talk with each other. At that time, you know,
I had a sliding as a writing phone, sliding phone.
I had the keyboard on it. It slides the side,
you know, and you can or keep his slide back
and you can do it regular. And he had a
razor phone, you know, one of those flip razors, you know.
So we would listen to music. He had like music
download on his phone, like MP three at the time,
you know, and we listened to these little bit of
music and certain things and stuff. And they're like, all right, well,
we got the chairs out here. I set the chairs
pre you ahead of time. He's like, you really wouldn't
do that. I said, yeah, let's do this. So we
got out intent you know, zipped it real quiet. I
don't know why I remained quiet because they couldn't hear
us from the house anyways. But we waited to see
to make sure the light because the light and the
living room in the kitchen would be on and we
could tell when it went off they were going to bed,
so we're like, oh, prime time, you know. So we
were waiting until then, and uh, we started walking our
chairs towards the field, you know, like quietly. Still don't
know why quietly, but we were and just talking to
each other like, well, what if we do see something
or what if this? And it's like, oh, well, let's
find out and see and stuff. In the back of
my mind, I was really hoping we would see something.
I wasn't expecting what we were going to see, but
I was still hoping we'd see something like ghosts or
anything really, you know, just just for the heck of it.
But wasn't really expecting it, but hoping too. In a sense.
I'm sure I obviously felt the same too. And so
we went ahead and set the chairs up and we
just started telling each other a little bit here and
there nothing really at the point in time, got our
phones out, listening a little bit of music down real
low a little bit so we can still heart out
of the field towards the woods, and we kind of
got a little drowsy, a little tired at the time.
So we were like, okay, you know, I about called it
a rap, I guess you could say. At the time,
they were about, let's just go back, and well, all
of a sudden we were hearing cows and he's like, oh,
the cows. And I was like, yeah, it's the cow's
over there from you know, from the farmer and all
that stuff. And then I thought about it for a second.
I'm like, wait a second. The only one I had
cows was his name. We called the farmer. His nickname
was Bunny. I don't know why is we just that's
just what we called him, the family wise and stuff.
And I said he has cows and he's like, oh, okay,
and I said, no. The thing is he's been dead
for two years, two or three years, I said, and
there is no cows right here anymore. And he's like, well,
there has to be. He said, what was that? And
I said, I don't know, because it had that sound,
but it was a little deep, and here it was
sounded like there was more than one. But it was like,
you know, like I heard the cows in a sense,
but deeper. And he's like, well, there's got to be
cows over there. And I'm like, yeah, maybe you're right.
Maybe he's good cause we didn't know about her something
just to kind of ease their minds off a little bit. Well,
I was getting ready to tell him a joke, and
out of nowhere this god awful scream and I'm talking
about bloody murder. I sounded like a woman was being slaughtered,
like you see Friday thirteenth or something. I were like psycho,
you know, like when I get she's getting stabbed in
the shower, like I mean screaming, I mean, beyond the
loudest I've ever heard I scream and shook me to
I mean I shook in the chair and he shook
looked at me. He said, what in the I'm like,
what the heck? And he's like what the He's like,
what why? What in the world would be screaming? And
the way that it sounded, which makes sense now thinking
about it, you know, later on now stuff, you know,
from the woods. You know, there's anywhere. Really, even if
you hear some people doing partying down the road, it echoes,
especially when it's quiet, it echoes like really like you're
almost there. And I thought it was behind me, so
I turned and looked behind me. And while I was
turning to look to see if it was coming back
towards the house and back up that way, all I
heard was and then boom. And I'm like, what the
And I turned and looked, and Ethan was like about
melted in his chair. He slid down his chair and
he's like, oh my god, Oh my god. And I
was like what and he pointed, I just saw up
and looked through the woods, right down through the woods.
Of course it's start. But the moon was kind of
out but not full of moon, but just enough. Well, behold,
what do we see? And we've seen which I preferred,
I called it. We nicknamed it, so we didn't, you know,
if we talked about in the school. Big Mac told
me I had to come up with a nickname, you know,
and he's like, well, what we call it? And I
know it was just something out of the ordinary, something
that come to my mind because my mom always loved
McDonald's Big Max, and it was big no matter what
it was, so we called a big Mac and he's like, okay, cool,
you know. But anyways, so this thing obviously like we've
seen before in his backyard, big white and the body
of this thing like it reminded you of if you've
seen Monsters, inc. It reminds you of the body style,
the bulk and the like the muscle mass and everything
in the fur like Sully from Monsters Inc. That big
stature like style. But it was standing there right by
this tree. Because only there's one tree right, there's woods,
then there's the wheat field, one single tree, one big tree,
and then singles off again into like wheat and then
the other side of the woods and lo and behold
right there, it took off to the right, not towards us,
but to the right of the woods. And you can
hear every step. And I'm telling you it only took
I can tell you about five six steps. And it
was longer. So if you were running from that tree there,
it would take you way more steps than that. But
it took about five six different steps. And I mean
you can hear it going boom boom, boom, and then
hear it go into the woods like like we was
tearing down stuff. And I looked back at Ethan. I
was about to say, oh my god, you see that
he's not in the chair. I look back and he's
already darted. He already darted running, and I'm thinking like,
oh my god. You know, so instincts, you know, like
I was scared. But I took off. We left chairs,
you know, I didn't care. I took off trying to Ethan,
and he was already running past me. Me being a
heavy set guy, you know, but drenally kicking in already, yeah,
already you know, felt like I was running so fast
that I didn't touch the ground sometimes, but of course
my stumbleness, I fell when I fell down, I fell down,
I mean east and everything. And I reached out to
Ethan and he didn't even look back. I was scared
to death. I had tears in my eyes because I thought,
you know, like in an scary movie or anything, what
happens to you the chick or somebody falls and that's it,
that's all it takes, and they're dead. Well, I didn't
look back, but I felt that it was going to
be right there. But obviously I'm here talking about it now,
so thank the Lord and think thankfully and being blessed
that it left us alone at that, you know. So
I got up and kept on running, kept on running.
I mean, I ran so fast and hard that it's
not like I don't have asthma. But I've heard people
that he's got asthma. And Hayler when we got back
to the tent doing that and I was doing that too,
felt like my heart was in my throat. I thought
I dry heaved, going to be sick. I was more
the fact that running plus adrenaline and being scared. We
got in the tent, zipped it up. I don't know
why we didn't go to the front of the house.
I I can't so I answer that question now. But
we thought we'd be safe in the tent. Just one
of those things and stupid as it sounds, but got
in there. He was rocking himself back and forth, back
and forth. And I got in there and zipped it up,
and I took the sleeping bag and zipped myself up
like a cocoon, and just my face was sticking out,
and I kept trying to ask him like I couldn't
even get nothing out. I was shaking so bad, and
he was just rocking himself, shaking and stuff, and I
was trying to ask him, like eas, what was that?
But I could not get it out. I just couldn't.
So we laid there. I couldn't even tell you. It
felt like forever. He finally just looked at me and
started crying. I started crying. He didn't say anything to
each other at all whatsoever. We ended up crying so
bad that we fell asleep that way. I mean, I
try to keep my eyes on. I mean, he went
to sleep before I did. I think he passed out
from so much adrenaline and everything too. But I stayed awaking,
just every little noise, anything cricket because it was quiet.
But then you started eating the crickets and certain things,
which helped. But it's still scary because I was just
waiting for the thumps, like the boom boom sounds again.
But didn't hear nothing, thankfully, or anything after that until
of course morning hit and it was like seeing the sunshine.
It was like the most amazing feeling ever. And I
woke up right there. He fell asleep, still in the
fetal position with his head down like that like, I'm
sure his neck was hurting and everything. But I got
unzipped it, got out and showed him and he's like,
oh like, and I was like, let's get back to
the house. And he didn't use say anything, okay, you know, like,
so I unzipped it and we took off back to
the house. My uncle Steve was sitting on the porch
smoking a cigarette, and we run back up in the
front of the high and he's like, you guys, have
a good time. And we didn't say anything. We just
darted right into the right, into the right, into the
door in the front house and went in there and
uh my Papal was cooking sausage and bacon and everything
and eggs and it looks like you boys seen a ghost.
And we just looked at each other and didn't say
a word, didn't say nothing until I mean, obviously, it
took it probably about a year or two until I
ended up saying something eventually. But of course they waved
off as is your imagination. You guys were shouldn't have
been out in the middle of the field. You know,
that's what you get for being mischievous and miss getting
in the mischief and all this, you know, just stuff
like that. But it just it was one of those
things that it's like, who are going to tell or anything?
You know. We tried tell some other kids, but of
course that took off the deep end and they were
laughing at us, and so we knew right then and
there on the bus that we're not going to say
anything that anybody. So that was just how it was
until this day. If we kind of talk about it,
all I have to say is big Mac and he's like, yep,
I know. It's like, well, let's tell this person. He's like, no,
I don't want to talk about it. I mean, he's
still like that now. He'd rather not say anything about
any of that stuff. So I can't say anything. I
don't blame him. So let's fast forward. Now. I haven't
had no counters or anything like that. As far as
I know. It's him. He yes, I had nothing. I
never did ask him anymore about certain things. He's seen
some aspirations, some some ghost cars, certain things like that.
I guess you would say down the road. But so
fast forward to the job I have. Now, I'm still
currently working there, but I'm working mornings now. But at
this time, at this point in time, I was working
night shift, so my hours were noon to nine, and
I didn't live where I'm back here living with my
at my you know, my uncle's house. Now technically you know,
my papal has been pass passed away since you know,
passing then for about good five four or five years now.
So this particular time, I was living in about forty
fifteen minutes away from here, which is in Wellington, because
I live in Castell, Ohio, so which is like fifteen
minutes away from Sandusky, which is where Cedar points at,
you know, of course and everything. But so I lived
in Wellington with a woman I was currently with at
the time for in about three years. So we had
our own place, you know, well it's her kind of
place in the thing with farm sheep, you know. We
you know, I started doing farming certain things at that area.
It's all farm like legit, farmland, Amish woods fields, I mean,
and major deer like, I mean, you got very you
have to be very careful on driving. Deer come out
everywhere down there. So it just so happened in particular
on a night I'd say it's almost kind of like
a night just it's not it wasn't too hot, not
too cold, just perfect good, good October type weather, maybe
a little warmer. It just it just got done raining,
so it had that little bit of a misty you know,
real moisture, moisturized air type. You can even see some
of the where it rained, kind of like the steam
or foggy ish kind of rising off the ground from
the rain. Still. So normally I usually listened to road
tunes on the way home or whatever and stuff, but
that particular night, I didn't really feel like listen to nothing.
Just felt like having a nice, enjoyable quiet right home
and and have the windows down and just mirom mo
ount and feel in the air as I drive, and
just going through a town called Rochester and then passing
through there and then uh so Wellington. We actually technically
were living in a place called Huntington, which is like
not even like five minutes from Wellington, Like it's just
like a side like right to the side of it,
small little village kind of like where I'm living at now. Castilia.
Didn't call it a town because it's technically a village.
So not very many people, of course, you know, you know,
little churches here and there, and you know, a small
little rural area, and uh, I was going. I take
usually a side road instead of going straight into Wellington
and then going out of Wellington right to the side
to Huntington, I take this side road that kind of
takes the back kind of the back ways. There's a
little town called Lanchester. So I was going through there. Uh, Pet,
you always put up my road mark because I always
go by road markers and stuff instead of like actual
the road, like the signs of the roads, like actual
road names. So I was known with big white churches
right there. So in the blinking there's a blinking stop
there's no stop light stop well stop sign, you know, blinking.
And there's a church with an old Civil War looking
cannon right there. Oh, beautiful place, Like I said, there's
all kinds of cool historical things there. So I turned
to the right and going down towards there. And it's
got some hilly type areas, you know, like up and down,
you know, some curves, so you don't earn anyone to
go too fast, well not too fast anyways, because of deer,
you know, obviously really strong deer, especially at that time
it was almost a full moon. It wasn't a full
moon exactly, but just about it. So you could see
a lot of the you know, ground area and stuff
of course lit up. It's beautiful. And uh so right
where the part where you get ready to kind of
go down this little dipping up into the to the
curves to the right or the left, and usually it
suppos about thirty five thirty thirty five right there. I
slammed on my brakes. I had my brights on everything
for use, you know. And I was like, oh, because
there was the dough that come running out, hauling tail
right through there as fast as it could. And then
there was another one. Then they came from the woods
from the left going to the right to me, and
uh and at that time point in time of night
and every then too, you don't see too many cars
come through there, so it's pretty dead through there. So
there was another dough that come out, and I was like, wow, okay,
another one. I was getting ready to go, but you know,
I was still hesitant to make sure everything. And then
here comes a buck coming right out, and I was like, wow,
good sized buck. Everything. I was. It's cool seeing because
I still I don't hunt this. I don't hunt anymore.
I used to hunt a lot and everything, you know, obviously,
but I kind of gave it up also around like
twenty sixteen, just other reasons why. But uh, you know,
but I still enjoy seeing the nature and seeing the
wild life and how wildlife you know, functions and like
Discovery Channel or anything like seeing how animals do and
stuff you know, eat and all that stuff graze. Well,
the buck come out, and I was like, wow, that's great,
you knowmember that that's cool getting ready to go, And
just at that moment is getting ready to go, I
just had the feeling and just I heard rustling a
little bit in the woods right there, and I was like, oh,
here comes another deer coming out. Well, to my surprise,
obviously it wasn't. It was what we all know now
and everything, a dog man. And there's no doubt about it.
I can tell you it was. If it wasn't didn't
know a dog man, I would say it was a werewolf.
But it was definitely a dog man. It was on
two legs. Now, Before I explain this part, the road
on each both sides, it kind of has it divots
down to kind of like a big like a thicker
deep ditch because it kind of floods down through there
quite a bit because of just how the area is
and land on both sides, and then but also the
land on each side it inclines declines down, so it's
not just the ditch, but it declines down into the
woods on each side, woods on both ends. So it
was coming from out of there and coming up, and
it just so happened to stop right there where the
ditch is at. So from my car to that was
for where I where it came out at, it was
I could easily probably say about fifty yards, not even
not yards, but feet. It wasn't far at all. And
that was a part. It was more of the part
that scared me and startled me more than anything was
the fact that I wasn't looking for it or anything
in that particular thing, because I stuck stop kind of
doing things like looking for things, paranormal research kind of stuff. Anyways,
I mean, I still fascinated body it, but just not
you know, just trying to get home. I was tired
from work, you know, So it's stopped right there when
it looked straight at me and add like a burnt
orangish yellowish eyes when I seen it come out. But
then it kind of did a snarl growl kind of
a guttural, like a real deep guttural, not in as
far as some the you know stories and everything that
I've heard from others on your show, not that where
you feel it, but just about it, just enough to
you almost feel it on the tip of your like
around the edge of your skin, but not inside. But
the hair in the back of my neck, and I
guess you say, the hair on everywhere stood up and
just different kind of feeling, like shaking, like seizure shaking,
almost Tourette's type style. And I'm like one on earth,
like I wasn't expecting any of that. Well, its eyes
at that point in time, because I could not stop
looking at its eyes. I mean, that's one thing when
people say about looking it's it's like a mesmerizing slash
lure like I don't know how to explain it, but
it's just like you couldn't stop looking at it. But
at the same time of looking at its eyes, its
eyes turned from that ambush orangish yellowish to a red
like it went straight to red, like I mean, it
went from caution to kill mode. And not just what
I noticed about the eyes of that part, but the
fact that it had that red or ahead of black lines,
like you know, how we have our eyes, you know,
of course, you know, we have the white and then
we have the lining, and then the color and then
the pupil. You could definitely see the pupil of the
black in the center, the black line around the eye,
but the rest of it was all solid red and
maybe a little orange, but mostly all red. The size
of the eyes were probably like the size of a
plum or maybe I wouldn't say an orange, but close
to it, but between an orange, not a big orange,
but like a smaller orange or a plumb. They were
pretty big. And the width like as far as the head,
I mean obviously the head, and when people talk about
the head being big, yeah, it's it was like a football,
like the length of a football went into the other
maybe bigger a basketball, bigger maybe, but it was just
something It's like it's still hard to fathom to see.
Like you've seen movies, you've seen all this stuff. But
like I was saying before the description of it, the
ears were pointy. I'd say the ears were probably at
least about three and a half four inches up from it,
you know, where it's at pointy like in the howling,
like that stature of size, you know, like as far
as the way that it looked, the snout, the muzzle,
I guess you'd say. It wasn't long like a wolf,
but a little smaller than that, almost like a bear,
but a little like in that sense, with a nose
kind of like that in that sense. But of course
it had that snarl with it was rising. It didn't
have the word it was smiling at you, but it
was showing its teeth or what I could see of
a little bit from my lights and the moon hitting it.
It had very sharp teeth and it looked like a
bunch of them, right, I mean, the bottom. I didn't
see too much of it. At the top definitely, I
seen multitudes and the hair on it, like I didn't
see too much on the sides like it or its neck.
I mean, there was hair, but not like a mane
or like you know, like a lion. It wasn't like
some some say, but it was a little shorter. But
what I could see of it, I knew it was
on two legs obviously from the way it was running
or like walking out and a fast paced kind of
when it stopped. But what I could really visualize sea wise,
a good look wise, was from probably about its waist up.
It had hair on its chest. Now the thing about
the hair on it though it covered its chest, and
then it stopped. The hair. The hair went right in
the middle like a like a like a strip in
the middle, like a straight strip going all the way
down to its belly button. It had that. And then
as far as hair on its h on its arms,
it had hair on shoulders and arms, but not in
the inner part of its arms, for its forearms for it,
but the outer part like where it's elbows, in the
back end of its arm, it was longer like the
hair was more of like a like a longer like
you know how like a horse has hair up like
by its head up the head and the hair kind
of like swayed over the side. It had hair like that,
but on its arms, on the outer part of it.
Of course, the hands it was I've noticed that it
was flickering its hands like like kind of like when
you make a fist and then you bring your hand
out make a fist again, but moving your fingertips and
moving like the knuckles and stuff and everything too. It
was doing that. And I did see the head claws,
I couldn't really tell. I know they were long, pretty long,
but I don't know how long exactly. Ish. I was
mainly focused on its face and size, and of course
I seen the breath coming out of its mouth as well.
Definitely could see that when I was trying to growl
and snarl and everything. Well, it it's like it had
me in a trance and it's like I wanted so
bad to go and it's like I tried to and
it's like I was just gripping the steering wall where
you can't hear the steering whell like like making that
you know, kind of noise where you're you know, not
ripping the steering wheel, but you're like grasping it really hard.
I just so happened. I was praying and stuff too,
and I was in my mind and everything. I was
just trying to say, like like I okay, this is happening.
But I said, I please, I want to get out
of here. I want to get out of here. And
I had enough feeling because I was so tense up
and like straight like stricken that it was like somebody
getting taste. You just tense up. I was able to
slide my foot from the brake pedal and I slid
it to the right of obviously real slow and just
enough to kind of pull my foot over. And as
soon as I pulled it enough over where that gap
from the brake pedal to the gas, it just I
like finally loose in it, and I it went straight
to the gas. Let's just put that way, and I
spun my tires and I kept going. Now, I think
the Lord everything and blessed blessed that the fact that
I didn't hit anybody or anything or anything, because when
I took off, I could not look in front of me.
At first. I was staring straight at it still, and
it filed like we had eye contact all the way
until I got to that that up to up to
the curve to the left, to where I could finally
break free from it to look at the road because
I would have hit somebody, probably because I was in
the other lane and everything, and I gunned it. I
didn't let off the gas at all whatsoever. I went
through the town's thirty five through the twenty five to
thirty five into the town, and I was probably going
about seventy which was stupid on my part on that,
but I couldn't help it. I kept looking at my
room mirror on my side meres to make sure it
wasn't behind me. It did not, think the Lord, it didn't.
But I kept going. I went over the there was
a railroad tracks. I went over the railroad tracks. I
went up like it was like one of those movies
where you're like ferrist Viewer's day off, like going over
those railroad tracks. I went up and just air dived
it right onto the ground as sparks flew and everything,
and I mess up the bumper. I ended up having
to getting a control arm for my car, and you know,
it damaged some stuff. And one of my headlights blew
out like it went out, cracked the head, the lens,
everything because where I hit down from the railroad tracks.
But I kept going. I didn't stop. I kept going
until I got home. I couldn't even tell who I
was with at the time. I was sweating completely. I
lost my whole sense of humanity at that point in time.
I once again, when I was trying, you know, grasp everything,
I was dry Heaven puked. It didn't make me do
that because of my nerves and everything too, but just
just the fact of it looking at me, when its
eyes turned from that orange to the red, it was
like it was telling me, you just messed up my hunt.
You just like you just inter intervened, you know, like
you you came, you know, like why did you do that?
You know, it was pissed that I did that. And
it's not like I was trying to obviously, you know,
but it was just that fact of you know, I
was a buzzkill to it, you know, in a sense,
like it almost had whatever it was going to have
for a meal. Probably still maybe did later on, I
don't know, you know, but because of how fast they
really are in certain things, you know, it probably wasn't
a problem. But it's just the fact of that in
that point in time that I messed things up for it,
and I felt for I didn't sleep that night. I
got maybe a couple hours the next night. It took
me about two and a half three weeks probably to
finally get like an actual legit normal sleep, I guess.
I stayed up on the couch with my gun a lot.
I sat there looking out the windows all the time.
And yeah, so for the longest time, I I definitely
didn't want to go out during the night. I'm not
saying that. I know they come out during the day
because where I seen Big Mac during We've seen it
during the day at that one point in time, you know.
So it's not like night times is the only time.
But it's worse at night, I feel because I used
to be a scaredy cat at night. I used to
sleep in the night light because we're just one of
those things, you know. I always learned that don't be
afraid of the darkest, be afraid of what's in the
dark type saying. So that really had a big toll
on me for a good while. Unfortunately, I did revert
to alcohol some drugs a little bit, not hard drugs,
but I did do a little bit of that. I'm
not proud of it. I'm not anymore none of that,
you know. I'm which is great, you know, it's I'm
blessed and everything to happen, you know that. But I
used alcohol mostly because it was a medicine to help
me go to sleep and to numb that part before
I go to sleep, because I would have recurring night tears,
not nightmares, but night tears. I'd wake up screaming, cold sweats,
waking up puking because of thinking that in my dreams
that it did follow me, or it still has my
scent and it still could follow me to this day
in point in time, which this is about two years
ago now a year and a half, two years. In
the back of my head, I still feel like if
it really wanted to come find me, it could, But
I also am aware that and even the first time
I've seen that it could have had me or my
buddy at any point in time, even while we were
in the tent or anything like, there's no stopping. If
they want you, they're going to get you. So it
took me a good while, and of you talking to
me helped me realize that too, that if they wanted us,
they could have us, but they didn't. So I look
at it as a as a wonderful thing, and that way,
the fact that you know it allowed us to leave
and allowed me to leave the second time, the currents
of seeing this, which I also feel like it's a
blessing and part of the Father too, because in heaven,
because I feel like there is protection and the sense
of that way that you know that helped I'm not
saying I could just go out, no gun and say
I'm praying and it's not gonna hurt me. Nothing's gonna
hurt me. I mean, I could pray that all I want,
but doesn't mean it's going to happen. Like I said,
if they want to kill you, they will and have
Sometimes they probably do it before you even know that there.
Because there's times that I've been hunting and everything, and
I guarantee that there is plenty of them that have
been there watching. And like I said, I'm thankful that
the fact that of all the times or my family
has been hunting, all my family has hunters and everything too,
that they have not intervened and tried to do anything
in that sense. So I'm very thankful of that fact.
I'm still fascinated because as of research goes, I have
not been doing field research, but I do a lot
of like what you're kind of doing. I listen to
a lot of testimonies. I like to take notes. I
like to I'm very fascinated of their patterns. I would
really love to know more of. I would like to
go out and do a field research, but not by myself.
I'd like to have at least two or three people
if I could, but not just random people. I want
people that are serious and that take it seriously and
know that when it's time to go, it's time to go,
and not be naive or gullible or whatever gonna say,
let's stay all alonger even though that there's one right
there staring us, You know what I mean. I want
to know that they know when it's time to go,
it's time to go, and vice versa. You know that
I would like to study their their way of living,
because I'm fascinated with with anything wildlife, for any kind
of animal in sense, and learn how they adapt or
how they they function in our world. So I guess
you could say, if I ever wanted to see one again,
yes and no, yes, as far as if I had to,
you know, if it was if we knew there's an
area I'd like to have at least a good seasoned
researchers or ones that take seriously and know that how
to protect, you know, in a sense, and not be
stupid or any any of that way, or shoot and
ask questions later type thing I would really appreciate, you know,
like in that sense. But over in my area around
here you know, I don't know anybody that would really
do any you know, that kind of stuff, or even
want to or acknowledge to. But it would be a
privilege thought maybe if I could do it at least
one time in my lifetime, to go out one time
and do that. But as far as just going out
or wanting to see one again, no, but I but
I still say I am very fascinated over them. I'm
not obsessed with them, but I think about them every
day though, because they're They're another part of society or
part of the world, this world as we are, and
it's something that I would like to get more to
know of them, because, as certain ones have told testimonies,
I still have questions that probably not get answers to.
But I also would like the more I know about
them or or could to analyze them, the more the
more feeling I would feel accomplished and what I want
to learn about them in my life.
Speaker 2: Caleb, you visited some really dark places as a result
of those experiences, and it's totally understandable why you did that.
But I'm so glad you're able to get out of
those dark places and you're at the place where you
are now in your life. Thank goodness for that.
Speaker 1: That it's definitely a blessing, and just people like you
having a place to reach out to someone and you
reach back out too, is a big, big thing for me,
Like you have no idea how much it really helps
knowing that I can at least because this right here
talking and other people's here this too, just like other testimonies.
It might help them, but it helps me a lot
knowing that it's not like a burden, but it's something
lifted off of me too, like a therapy in a sense.
It feels so much better knowing that I can actually
share it because I haven't only shared it about three times,
not on any channels, but just among some other researchers,
like people that a couple of bigfoot people and then
one that's UFO guy. Fortunately one of them that I
was really good friends with that we were going to
do researching he passed away. But it's a blessing to
know that you have reached out to me, which I
submit him I might you know to you, and I
was hoping and praying that you know, you will eventually
get to it. But as fast as you did everything,
it was like it was amazing to me knowing that
and the fact that you care about this kind of
stuff too, you know, like you you help so much
more than you think or you maybe do know him,
but you know what I mean, Like it's it's I
thank you for that much appreciated.
Speaker 2: Oh you're welcome. No, this is my calling. I mean,
I feel so blessed to be in a position to
be able to help eye witnesses such as yourself, So
I wouldn't have it any other way. I'll tell you what, Caleb,
We're out of time, but I've got a list of
questions to ask you. Would you be open to coming
back for a part too, so we could do a
Q and a yeah, yeah of course. Oh good. Well
if that's the case, I'll get with you to get
that scheduled. But in the meantime, I want to thank
you so much for coming on to tell us about
these experiences. I really appreciate.
Speaker 1: It, yes, of course, and I thank you for having
me and taking the time out out of your day
and to have me on here as well.
Speaker 2: Oh you're welcome. I'm just glad to give you a platform.
But having said that, thanks again so much for your
time and have a great night,