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Speaker 1: The paranormal, dufos, monsters, mysteries that you're listening to Talking

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Weird and Know from a Kevin deep in the northwards

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your host, Doctor Dean.

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Speaker 2: Bertram, Greetings, or my fellow weirdos and weird AD's, welcome

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to Talking Weird on the Untold Radio Network. I'm your host,

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Dean Bertram, and as always, I'm delighted and grateful that

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you've decided to spend the next hour or so of

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your life with me. Whether you're watching or listening live

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when it goes out every Thursday night, nine Central, across

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watching to it archived on one of those sites later

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and after our live date, or perhaps you're listening to

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the show where it drops every Friday following our Thursday

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night live broadcast on almost every podcast platform in the

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known universe. Greetings, welcome. I'm glad to have you here.

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I'm not going to ramble too much tonight because I

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think my wonderful guests and I are going to have

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way too much to talk about, so I'm just gonna

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go straight into her introduction. She's been involved in the

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world of paranormal phenomenon for over twenty years. Her story

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began with a great great grandfather, doctor Albert Durant Watson,

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who was the president of the Association for Psychical Research

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of Canada in nineteen eighteen, which was one of the

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first paranormal associations developed in Canadian history and I imagine

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one of the earliest in all of North America. Co

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founding and leading Entity Seeker Paranormal Research and Teachings in

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two thousand and three. Her experiences and knowledge has led

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to researching and co creating a unique investigative program called

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Teaching the Living, and subsequently has been featured on and

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hosted numerous specials and TV shows, and she's a big

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part of a recent Small Town Monsters production, which we

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might talk about a little bit tonight because I really

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like it and I know it's widely available now. She

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is a producer for various podcasts and television projects, both

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national and international. Her work has been presented at the

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Ryan Research Center, and she is a host and a

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featured presenter at the Parapsychological Association. She's also taught her

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program in Parapsychology Teaching the Living at various post secondary

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institutions in Canada, including fifteen years as a guest professor

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at Northwest College in the psychology Social Work programs. She's

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a regular contributor to the UK's Haunted magazine, which can

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be found on newsstands internationally. She can also be heard

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on her podcast Supernatural Circumstances, which is just amazing and

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if you don't listen to what you should. I was

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lucky enough to guest on it again the other day,

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and it's an episode which will next week, and we'll

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talk a little bit about that tonight as well, because

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we don't want to step on some of the same

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subject matter which we dove into extensively on that episode,

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and Supernatural Circumstances delves into the mysterious, the spiritual, and

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the fascinating things in our universe. So I am delighted

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to welcome back to Talking Weird my very good friend

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Morgan Knutson.

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Speaker 3: It is good to be here.

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Speaker 2: It's so funny. We hadn't talked on a show for

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later and it must have been a year or more,

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and then all of a sudden, we've done two shows

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almost back to back this week.

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Speaker 4: It was meant to be. It was meant to be

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it was the right time. This was absolutely the right time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was, and we as I was just saying,

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we we don't want to retread that because I'd encourage

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people to go and listen to that show anyway, because

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we spoke extensively about disclosure, which we're going to be

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touching on denied, but we're going to be touching on

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it from a slightly different angle. I thought, because you

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had the great idea to talk about alien contact, UFO contact,

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in contact with the other and talk about how that

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intersects with our own human consciousness. And we've thrown back

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and forward a few like clips of Whitley, Streeber and

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other people, and perhaps this idea that while we're waiting

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for a disclosure from the government or many people are,

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maybe the real secrets, maybe the real revelations are going

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to come through, not from some official channel pumping out

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lord knows what kind of misinformation, but maybe through genuine

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contacts with whatever these other intelligences are. So I think

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what I'd like to throw to you to begin with

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is your idea of contact and not just with UFOs,

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with other intelligences. Perhaps it's all you know manifesting from

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the same greater intelligence and how you think that interacts

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with our human consciousness.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, I mean there's so there's so much to

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talk about with the subject. Like it's so exciting to

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me because for years I was I was very much

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in the camp early on in my career that this

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that you and aliens belonged in a different category from parapsychology.

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of a lot of people, especially a lot of people

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Speaker 2: Like that, and.

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Speaker 4: That opinion has drastically changed over the last.

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Speaker 4: And you know, one of the principal principal questions in parapsychology.

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Speaker 3: Was posed very early on.

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Speaker 4: It's known as the hard problem by David Chalmers many people,

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the idea was is consciousness fundamental or is it emergent?

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brain or is it actually fundamental from the universe and

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our brains are actually translating that consciousness, which would put

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into perspective things like life after death and so on

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and so forth. So where I think this conversation has

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gone with this. The the idea now of you know,

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what are aliens? Now it's kind of on the forefront

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of everybody's mind, is that there are many psychologists and

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physicists and parapsychologists that are coming out and saying this

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isn't about little green men. This is about something much

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broader and that these subject matters, whether it be UFOs, UAPs,

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the alien contact, spirit contact, all of this stuff, it's

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actually emmeshed into one broader subject. And to me, that

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is really really exciting to see where exactly this is going.

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a little bit strange ideas about it, but you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I remember reading and this this is only vaguely related,

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but I remember reading a book that was very popular

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in new age and alternative thinking models back in the

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nineties called The Holographic Universe, and it presents this model

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you're obviously familiar with it. It presents this model based on

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things that people working in high ends of physics as

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well as high ends of psychology. We're talking about that

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the brain seems to work as a hologram. In other words,

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when they say that they mean holographic film. When you

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cut into lots of little pieces, it isn't like cutting

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normal negative film into lots of little pieces. You can

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still see a degraded reality of the whole from those

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lots of little pieces. And physicists were suggesting that, So

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this is what some psychologists were suggesting the human mind

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works like this, And there was all kinds of studies

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which suggested this to the way, and we could get

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we won't go into it because there's a whole other

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rabbit hole, but physicists were suggesting something similar, and that

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is that reality itself is somehow like a hologram in

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meaning that in the in the minuscule is perhaps a

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sense of the whole. And you hear that in a

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lot of earlier esoteric type languages well like you know

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as above, so below all these ideas in alchemy of

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somehow there being a sense of a sense of a

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broader knowledge, a broader reality being being able to be

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accessed at a very small level. And I wonder when

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Whitley streetboat clip that I saw when I when I

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hear stream but maybe correctly talking about the ets er

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after our souls. What that makes me think of is

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maybe our souls themselves are part of this. And when

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think it matters our consciousness, which exists, as you were

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suggesting before, perhaps outside and above the body. Maybe that

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is intertwined with the abduction experience, with seeing lights in

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the sky, with seeing the blessed Virgin Mary, with seeing

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you know, fairies, with whatever these phenomena are. Maybe we

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ourselves are part of that. We might be separate from it.

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soul is that people have this idea that the soul

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is inside the body, when it's actually our body is

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actually inside of that. It's it's it's us, it's all

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around us, it's everything. And I think with this particular

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subject matter like it, it begins to blend on a

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number of different levels with with what you were talking about,

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you know, they're after our soul somehow, Well, that that

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implies that the soul is something apart from us, and

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that doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to me.

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then that that is too, you know, that consciousess is too.

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the idea of losing your life or losing you, I

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of that. So you can't really I don't think something

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Donald Hoffman, and he's for for the audience who doesn't

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know who he is, definitely look him up as his

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work is really interesting. Uh. He's a cognitive psychologist from

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the States, and he came up with some really really

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really interesting theories, one being the interface theory of perception.

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an interface that our consciousness is projecting. So that then

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begs the question, if there are these these intelligences that

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matrix where they are able to kind of like reach

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in and play around or is this more like, you know,

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we're part and parcel with co creating an environment with them.

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Speaker 2: I'm very I'm very sympathetic to any kind of co

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creation model because the type of eupologists that formed my

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later post extraterrestrial kind of belief system, the John Keels

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collected works of other writers called that book's called UFOs,

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reframing the debate, and Greg Bishop, who's I think one

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of the better thinkers in the euthological space today, wrote

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this wonderful piece about co creation theory. That may be

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what we're seeing, how we're engaging with the other, and

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probably in this case we're talking about UFOs, but I

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think it applies to whenever we talk about other you know,

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non human anomalous intelligence. Somehow we are having a degree

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of input to what that experience is, which makes sense

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this communication with something on a on another level with us.

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So Will I just wanted to point out there's a

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bunch of people in the chat which which is wonderful,

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all kinds of people, Squatch, Mama, Ken Rock, my own

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wonderful girlfriend Samanth. And here's a regular listener to the show,

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Flat Rockland, also known as Matt Auckland, who's been on

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the show Super Weird. We always have weird synchronicities, Flat

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and Eye And he says, I'm reading the holographic universe

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right now, Dean, what are the chances there's no accidents? No, no, no,

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there really aren't. So I think I mean to me,

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I know you don't suffer from this problem. So many

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don't understand that the importance of a lot of this

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contact might tell us as much about us as it

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does about you know, the other. We're always focused on,

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you know, what is the bigfoot? What is the dog man?

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What is the alien? What is the fairy? What is

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the ghost? You know what I mean? But I wonder

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if we would be better turning the lens around and

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asking what do these encounters tell us about us?

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Speaker 4: That you're spot on and ian that's interest, you know,

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where parapsychology has really, i think begun to merge into.

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I mean, it's always been part and parcel with things

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like like physics and quantum physics and stuff like that,

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but it's becoming more and more apparent now you know

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in the field research that that's exactly what we need

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to be doing. When I authored my program with my

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business partner Stephanie Wurtz years ago, it's just almost twenty

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five years ago, that was the one thing that we

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noticed really really quickly was that the phenomenon that was

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going on around people was part and parcel completely connected

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with exactly what was going on with them emotionally. And

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we were not the only ones to come to this conclusion.

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Speaker 3: Look at people like.

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Speaker 4: Scott Rogo, lots of different researchers.

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Speaker 3: Now my brain's just.

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Speaker 4: Lost the name, but William Roll, sorry, doctor William Roll.

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in parapsychology for years began to notice that with the

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phenomenon of like a poltergeist phenomenon and psychokinesis and things

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like that, is that that people's emotions were directly tied

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to what was actually happening in their experience and Stephanie

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and I found the same. We began to teach that

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really really early on. And at the time when we

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started that was like to it was almost too.

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Speaker 3: Much for people, Like they were going, well, what are.

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Speaker 4: You talking about, Like this is all happening to me, No,

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a lot of it's happening through you. And when they

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were able to actually start to regulate what was going

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on with them, suddenly a lot of the phenomenon, the

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things that were going on around them began to shift

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and change. And it wasn't because of some you know,

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magic wand that was happening. It was simply because they

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were shifting into essentially like a new reality. I mean,

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we we know now that we're changing realities a billion

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times a second. And when we start to shift our

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emotional state and you make these different choices, suddenly our

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surroundings begin to change as well. And this has been

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documented in so many studies over the years in parapsychology.

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So I think it only makes sense at this point that,

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you know, we really take a hard look at people

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like John Keel like you were mentioning, and begin to look.

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Speaker 3: At this phenomenon as something that.

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Speaker 4: Is already connected to us, and now I think, really

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it's just a matter of breaking the habit of our

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minds of going there's an out there versus an in

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here that's we know. Now, that's really not how it

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works at all.

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Speaker 2: I think a lot and I kin't agree with you

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more on any of that stuff. I think a lot

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of the euphological communities hopes or then placing so much,

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so much of their energy in looking for disclosure and

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hoping that the government is gonna, you know, we talk

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about this a lot on your show, you know, essentially

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tell them what they already believe. If what we're talking

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about is closer to the actual, you know, reality of

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this phenomenon, then I wonder what there is that the

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government can tell us anyway. To be honest, I think it's.

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Speaker 3: A really good, really good point.

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Speaker 4: And you know, I think at the end of the day,

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you know, if if they're holding anything back, which guarantee

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they are, uh, you know, if they're holding anything back.

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I think it revolves around this idea of consciousness and

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the idea of we have to shift how we're perceiving things.

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And I can tell you for people that I've dealt with,

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clients that I've dealt with.

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Speaker 3: Heck, I was dealing with one.

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Speaker 4: Today who really really really struggle with the idea that

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this actually is really interconnected with with how we're how

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we're perceiving things, how we're doing things. And I think

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for people who are very, very very attached to this,

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whether it be a religious standpoint or an ideological standpoint

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as to how this phenomenon works, this could really.

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Speaker 3: Make some people crash out. It's it's hard.

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Speaker 4: It's hard for people even with I don't want to

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say basic like haunting, poultrygeist type phenomenon, to get their

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heads around this, but it to turn around and say,

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this isn't happening to you. You've got a position here,

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You're there's no matter how flight you make a pancake,

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there's always two sides, as doctor Reville says, But that's

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really really true, is that you do. You are interlocked

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into what you're experiencing. So I think if there's anything

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that is being kept, it's it's probably along those lines

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that it's it's some sort of ideological or mental shift

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that people are going to have to make that some

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people are going to just not deal with very well.

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Speaker 2: Do you think you mentioned religion then which I think

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is interconnected with a lot of this. Do you do

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you think earlier, like pre modern traditions, be them folkloric

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or you know, any religion around the planet, or any

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any type of I suppose, magical belief system, or do

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you think any of the things from our past, whatever

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culture you know, our heritage is in, do you think

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some of those traditions were somehow closer to understanding the

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type of reality that we might be operating in. And

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the very scientistic interpretations that all of the different branches

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of the paranormal you know again, cryptozoolga uthology, even spect

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hunting the day they all tend to lean into the

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science these days.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's a really good point. And you know,

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I think in most religions, not all, but most religions,

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I think you can see a red thread through a

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lot of them that that talk about this, Like, you know,

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even delving into for like the Bible, for instance, you

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get the one passage, uh, if I pray, pray, believe

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it is yours and it will be so. Even passages

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like that really dictate the idea that you know, if you,

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if you meditate on it, you believe it and you

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focus upon it and you believe it's already yours. It's gonna,

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it's gonna happen for you. Like there's there's definitely there's

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there's threads through so many different cultures in regards to

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not only the idea that we're creating our reality as

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we go, but also that there is a greater connection

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to to something else. And I think all sorts of

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religions have come up with what that is, and there's

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tons of stories in and around it, but it's it

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is a common thread that everybody's going, you know, we

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are connected to something bigger, there's something else that's out there.

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you know, hieroglyphs and things like that that people have

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found of you know that people can't explain strange drawings,

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you know, gods that have been worshiped over the years,

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so on and so forth. Like I think people throughout

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history have been trying to grasp this, you know, and

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now in our present day it's coming out as well.

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If we if we can grasp it through disclosure, if

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we can grasp it through the government, then.

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Speaker 3: We'll get it. That's what it is.

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Speaker 4: That's what we're missing, and I don't think people are

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going to find it externally.

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Speaker 3: I just I just don't.

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Speaker 4: And I think if, as I say, if anything's being

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being sort of kept back, I think that's probably what

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Speaker 2: Well, I think we both agree that so much of

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this is, you know, a product of our own psyche

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or our own consciousness, or our own way we you know,

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interconnect with something bigger. What what do you think if

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there are external intelligences, if there in any sense separate

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to us. Do you think there's benevolent and you know,

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or some malevolent intelligences. Do you think there's multiple or

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multiple forces or or multiple energies which you know, which

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impact us when we when we're connecting with the other,

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or were always connecting with the best part of us

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or the best part of other things? Or is there

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is there negativity that is part of some of this

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contact experience as well?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 4: I could tell you what I've learned in parapsychology, because

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I mean, God knows what's out there. I don't know,

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you know, I'm the first to say I have you know,

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I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't have the answers.

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Speaker 4: But I can tell you in in parapsychology. What I've

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learned and what I've what I've written about for years,

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which is that when we're in a negative space, if

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we're in a negative headspace perpetually and we're not dealing

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with trauma, we're not dealing with stuff that's going on

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in our lives, you know, and processing it. Not that

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we can always have a you know, zipped duty positive life.

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That's not realistic, but how we're managing it and how

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we're going through our day. What's a general energy we

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have going through our day that absolutely contributes to the

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phenomenon people are experiencing that I can say for sure,

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you know, everything from you know, people that have had

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For example, I had a client years ago who had

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was in a severely abusive relationship and had gotten out

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of that relationship, gotten into another one, not dealt with

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any of the emotional stuff that had happened prior, and

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it was really traumatic. And what was interesting was that

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the paranormal activity that was going on in and around

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her after that was a direct reflection of the trauma

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that she had just experienced, except now it was no

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longer a human abuser. It was it seemed like it

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was almost this sort of thought form that was creating

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the same phenomena. So and again it was a matter

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of of like, okay, how are you going to shift

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to pull yourself? Apart from that, it's not about fighting

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the thing you can't see. You can't you don't have

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control over that, but you do have control over your

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own state and how you can shift out of that.

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You know, almost like a radio dial, you're turning a

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radio dial off on and you know, up and down

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different frequencies.

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Speaker 3: And I think when it.

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Speaker 4: Comes to this stuff, you know, and I haven't done

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extensive research into the you know, the abduction side of stuff,

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or you know, it's not really my wheelhouse, but I

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would imagine that there's probably a tie in there as well,

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that there's something going on. And I'm not turning around

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and saying that this is in people's heads. That's not

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at all what I'm saying whatsoever. But where you are

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really does begin to shape what your what experiences that

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you're that you're having. And we definitely see it with

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paranormal phenomenon like hauntings and stuff like that. So if

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we're making that assumption that you know that phenomenon as

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well as the uap UFO phenomenon and alien phenomenons tied

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in together. I would think that those rules probably still apply.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fascinating. And I on the poltergeist thing. Obviously

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it's almost a cliche, but the idea that a teenageer

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going through certain you know, changes in their biology and

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changes in their moods are often at the heart of

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poltergeist activity as well, which does suggest that somehow our

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own space, our own thoughts are somehow interconnected with this,

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and this might we might have already gone part way

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to answering this question, but I'll throw it to you anyway.

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Squatch Mama, thank you for being here. You're a regular listener.

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We appreciate your regular viewer. Do you think environmental factors

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can also trigger a contact or experience, a siding or

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a shift in perception?

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Speaker 3: She asks, such a great question.

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Speaker 4: You know, I think there are certain environmental factors that

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seem to play into I would say, not necessarily what

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people experience, but what's going on within within the environment itself,

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that is that might be generating some of this stuff,

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Like I've noticed after well, you were mentioning my my

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podcast Supernatural circumstances. I've had so many guests on and

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myself included, that have found these really bizarre like hot

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spots for lack of a better word, where there's really

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strange environmental anomalies that seem to be associated with them.

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You know, I had on my friend Brandon Elvis, we

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were talking about the Kentucky Triangle. Mike Rexxiker had on

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talking about the Alaska Triangle. I've had really weird experiences

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right here in Alberta, just sort of the same, the

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same idea where there's been bizarre levels of electromagnetic fields

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that aren't accounted for, people reporting things like portals, people

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reporting cryptid encounters, lights and the sky. So there seems

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to be something about certain areas that seem to be

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as a lack of a better word, like hotspots for

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00:27:09,799 --> 00:27:13,119
some of this stuff. You know why that is, I

477
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:17,880
don't think anybody's figured that out yet, but it's it's it's.

478
00:27:17,759 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 3: Interesting to see.

479
00:27:18,759 --> 00:27:21,759
Speaker 4: And the one thing that I would I would sort

480
00:27:21,799 --> 00:27:27,440
of tack onto that statement is that the again, what

481
00:27:27,599 --> 00:27:32,400
people end up experiencing there in these places, I think

482
00:27:32,599 --> 00:27:35,759
that still does depend on where you are on your

483
00:27:35,759 --> 00:27:40,079
emotional level. I think I think that you're still you're

484
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:44,119
you're still creating your reality in that regard, but there

485
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,720
seems to be these places that are, like, I don't know,

486
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,200
they're just I don't even hyper charged or whatever, or

487
00:27:50,279 --> 00:27:54,200
just set up for some of this stuff to keep happening. So,

488
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,759
I mean, who the heck knows what those are?

489
00:27:58,039 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 2: I see that so much when we talk about specific

490
00:28:02,319 --> 00:28:07,119
geographic areas within the paranormal. Sam and I recently shot

491
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,759
a little documentary of a web series we're going to

492
00:28:09,799 --> 00:28:12,960
start doing about bray Road, and we talked to Jay Bachotchen,

493
00:28:13,039 --> 00:28:15,880
and we talked to Chad lewis Keevin Nielsen. I know,

494
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,759
you know most of these people very well, and they

495
00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:21,720
all talked about the portal vortex thing in bray Road,

496
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,240
like the idea that you know, this even a werewolf

497
00:28:25,319 --> 00:28:29,279
like creature might be might be somehow you know, related

498
00:28:29,319 --> 00:28:31,240
to a portal system. And the funniest thing is, even

499
00:28:31,279 --> 00:28:34,799
before you said that, we had a comment from Joe

500
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,160
Terry saying, Hey, Morgan, tell them about portals, Hi, Joe.

501
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,079
So I don't know if you want to elaborate on

502
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,279
that at all for Joe or because you touched on

503
00:28:43,279 --> 00:28:44,960
it quite a bit. Then but I'm not sure if

504
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,400
you want to talk a little bit more about it.

505
00:28:46,599 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, Actually, Joe was just he was just on my

506
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,200
show recently because we were actually talking about another hotspot

507
00:28:52,839 --> 00:28:58,160
that he's been looking at in Illinois and again, very

508
00:28:58,279 --> 00:29:03,119
very similar phenomenon that that we've we've been talking about here.

509
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:07,400
Just UFO experiences lights in the sky, all sorts of really.

510
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:08,359
Speaker 3: Strange things going on.

511
00:29:09,559 --> 00:29:12,799
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean I've had I've had myself a

512
00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:16,240
pretty weird experience with what I could only describe as

513
00:29:16,319 --> 00:29:19,400
some sort of portal. It was a very strange light

514
00:29:19,559 --> 00:29:21,480
that came out of nowhere in one of these these

515
00:29:21,519 --> 00:29:24,759
hot spot areas that expanded and expanded, and there was

516
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:30,000
four of us that witnessed it, and it was bizarre.

517
00:29:30,039 --> 00:29:32,839
I've never in my whole twenty plus years of doing

518
00:29:32,839 --> 00:29:36,599
this seen anything like this. Uh, you know, and there's

519
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,359
there's been lot to talk about. Is is there some

520
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,279
other environmental factor that's that's creating this? Is this something

521
00:29:43,359 --> 00:29:45,160
that's coming out on its own? You know?

522
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:49,759
Speaker 3: Are these wormholes? Who knows? But I do think that

523
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:50,960
we can we can.

524
00:29:50,839 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 4: Start to maybe look at research from the past. Uh,

525
00:29:55,079 --> 00:29:58,799
you know, I bring up John Keel again. Who just

526
00:29:59,599 --> 00:30:05,119
started to decipher this world of this is interdimensional ultra

527
00:30:05,319 --> 00:30:09,680
terrestrial type phenomenon that's going on, and you've got to

528
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,440
start to wonder if maybe that's some of what we're

529
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,480
starting to experience, and the more open we become, maybe

530
00:30:16,759 --> 00:30:18,720
the more we're going to be seeing.

531
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,359
Speaker 2: And Q introduced, of course, the concept of window areas,

532
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,160
so whether you want to think of them as portals

533
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,200
or window areas or whatever, there's this idea that is

534
00:30:27,319 --> 00:30:30,960
very prevalent in his riding that there's spaces where the

535
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,480
other intersect with is far more than anywhere else.

536
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,319
Speaker 4: Absolutely, and that seems to come up over and over again.

537
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,480
I mean even here in Alberta. The one area that

538
00:30:41,519 --> 00:30:44,599
I've been looking into is it seems to be filled

539
00:30:44,599 --> 00:30:47,599
with all of that. I mean, we've heard bizarre sounds

540
00:30:47,599 --> 00:30:51,680
that sound like like bigfoot whoops. We've heard you know,

541
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,799
there's been dog man encounters. Over the years, there's been

542
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,599
you name it, like, there's been all of this stuff

543
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:01,640
concentrated within this small area. And Bray Road is such

544
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,039
a great example because it again it has a lot

545
00:31:05,079 --> 00:31:08,559
of the same features that we've been exploring right here.

546
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:13,039
So these window areas, as Keil was putting. It all

547
00:31:13,119 --> 00:31:17,319
seem to have very specific hall markers as to what

548
00:31:17,519 --> 00:31:20,559
is being drawn, there's created, what's created there, so on

549
00:31:20,599 --> 00:31:23,359
and so forth. And I think, you know, people that

550
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,359
have been there prior to us, like some of the

551
00:31:26,359 --> 00:31:28,920
indigenous people and so on and so forth. You know,

552
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,079
maybe they sent something and new that these these areas

553
00:31:32,119 --> 00:31:36,519
were special, because often they're found with Indigenous burial grounds,

554
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,839
mounds and things like that. That seems to be tied

555
00:31:39,839 --> 00:31:42,440
into it. So, I mean, there's there's a lot we

556
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,319
just are just scratching the surface of.

557
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,039
Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more. It's interesting too. I have a

558
00:31:47,119 --> 00:31:50,720
very good friend, Wayne Klingman, who's been on the program

559
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,200
a number of times, and he leaves not far from

560
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,960
Bray Road, and he made the good point. I think

561
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,680
it's going a private call to me of how ridiculous

562
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,440
the concept would be if we thought of the dog

563
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,920
man just to some flesh and blood, you know, were wolf.

564
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,039
Because Bray Road when you go when like when if

565
00:32:06,039 --> 00:32:08,519
you're just watching a travel channel documentary on it or

566
00:32:08,559 --> 00:32:10,720
something you've no idea really you know, it could be

567
00:32:10,759 --> 00:32:13,480
in the middle of you know, a forest which is

568
00:32:13,599 --> 00:32:16,200
hundreds of mile but we go there, it's this little

569
00:32:16,279 --> 00:32:19,160
you know, it's not really that far from all of

570
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,240
those kind of those urban centers down the south of

571
00:32:22,279 --> 00:32:24,079
the state that I live in, and when you go there,

572
00:32:24,079 --> 00:32:26,960
it's this little road less than five miles long, with

573
00:32:27,079 --> 00:32:30,400
little bits of woods but mainly just farmland. Like there's

574
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,839
no conceivable way that there's a population of some type

575
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:39,960
of cryptid physical were wolf beings living there. And it

576
00:32:40,119 --> 00:32:43,079
just but if you look at the kind of concept

577
00:32:43,119 --> 00:32:45,559
that we're talking about, about, there may be there being

578
00:32:45,599 --> 00:32:49,680
these spaces where we have contact with something from elsewhere

579
00:32:49,799 --> 00:32:54,960
or that you know, magnifies or illuminates our own you know, subconscious,

580
00:32:55,359 --> 00:32:58,319
then that makes more sense that this area might be

581
00:32:58,359 --> 00:33:01,720
a place where you're more likely to encounter these things.

582
00:33:01,759 --> 00:33:05,200
And I think that's the case of the more you

583
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,960
look at particularly cryptid reports, I think because of course

584
00:33:08,119 --> 00:33:10,200
UFO encounters, you can go, well, the UFO takes off

585
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,599
and goes back to the zeta articular or venus or

586
00:33:12,599 --> 00:33:14,559
wherever you think it comes from. But when you have

587
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,680
a bigfoot accounts on, like in the suburbs of Cleveland

588
00:33:18,839 --> 00:33:22,359
or San Francisco or somewhere, it's like this thing, it's

589
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,720
not it's not following the creeks. As much as I

590
00:33:24,759 --> 00:33:27,400
love that story, there's no there's no way it's actually

591
00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:30,240
navigate it just it just can't be there. You know,

592
00:33:30,359 --> 00:33:33,599
there can't be a believable population of bigfoot living in

593
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,880
areas like that. But if you think about these things

594
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,599
coming from elsewhere, then sure they could appear anywhere that's

595
00:33:40,599 --> 00:33:42,960
a hot spot or anywhere where the person's in the

596
00:33:43,039 --> 00:33:46,960
right head space to summon or encounter or you know,

597
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:51,839
co create this, you know, this creature. So the more

598
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,200
I think, the more you look at this without having

599
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,640
a predetermined belief about you know, something very flesh and

600
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,400
blood or something very nuts and bolts, or you know

601
00:34:00,759 --> 00:34:04,279
whatever the various sub sect of the paranormal you know,

602
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,119
tends to want people to develop in I think when

603
00:34:07,119 --> 00:34:09,320
you look at it just from a more open perspective

604
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,519
without dismissing the witnesses, but then also look at the

605
00:34:12,559 --> 00:34:15,159
reality of the physical situation, I think you have to

606
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:20,119
lean into this this strange, to me far more interesting

607
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:22,679
interpretation of whatever these things are.

608
00:34:23,079 --> 00:34:25,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think too, what might help people get

609
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:27,800
their head around this a little bit better is not

610
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,360
that there's these you know, magical creatures that are kind

611
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,840
of roaming around, because I think that's sometimes what the

612
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,480
skeptics here is is there's these magical things that are

613
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,079
appearing and disappearing, and it sounds really fantastic, but we

614
00:34:40,119 --> 00:34:42,280
have to remember we are not physical either.

615
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 3: We are also non physical beings.

616
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 4: Like we have a perception of the matter around us,

617
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,239
you know, that's created by our eyes and how we

618
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,800
perceive the world and whatnot. But we know that if

619
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,480
we put a microscope to anything that we're not physical

620
00:34:58,599 --> 00:35:01,360
really either, and neither the table in front of us

621
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,559
or anything else. This isn't something where you know, there's

622
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:09,159
these there's us as these solid things and then these

623
00:35:09,199 --> 00:35:13,440
like magical things that are appearing everywhere. You know, there's

624
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:18,760
been many experiments, even even back in government history of

625
00:35:19,639 --> 00:35:25,840
these these experiments with teleportation and people appearing and disappearing,

626
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:30,320
and I mean, and some of them are horrifying, but

627
00:35:30,559 --> 00:35:34,000
we know that this stuff does go on, and I

628
00:35:34,039 --> 00:35:37,440
think I think we have to remember that if if

629
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,519
we can only perceive a very small amount of the

630
00:35:40,559 --> 00:35:43,079
world that we're in right now, and we do perceive

631
00:35:43,119 --> 00:35:46,840
a very tiny, tiny amount on the spectrum, we have

632
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,800
to realize that our eyes are not picking up everything.

633
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,719
You know, I often bring up my little Python, and

634
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,000
happy birthday, Gaily just turned twenty two. But I often

635
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:02,519
bring up my little Python because how he constructs the

636
00:36:02,559 --> 00:36:08,519
world is so incredible and further advanced than us that

637
00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:12,599
for the average person who are like, eh, the snake

638
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:18,079
would blow their minds. You know, here, we're perceiving whatever's

639
00:36:18,079 --> 00:36:20,840
coming through our eyes with light rays and whatever, and

640
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,320
our brain's trying to sort that out. He's got like

641
00:36:23,519 --> 00:36:27,440
three different streams of reality that he's perceiving and building

642
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,840
his reality around him, and he sees all the way

643
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:35,280
from infrared right into the UV spectrum. He's got different

644
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,199
senses that are coming at him all the time. So

645
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,639
his construct of reality is far superior.

646
00:36:40,199 --> 00:36:41,039
Speaker 2: Than what we have.

647
00:36:41,679 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 4: And he's not some magical creature. I mean I think

648
00:36:45,039 --> 00:36:48,519
he is, but I'm biased, but he's you know here,

649
00:36:48,639 --> 00:36:52,239
he is, you know, an animal that we see all

650
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:56,079
the time, and he's perceiving things in a way that

651
00:36:56,119 --> 00:37:00,760
we can't even fathom. So if our perception is this limited,

652
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,840
it really starts to make you wonder, like what we're

653
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,400
seeing out there. I mean, you could look out your window.

654
00:37:07,079 --> 00:37:08,559
Speaker 3: And there could be a big foot standing there.

655
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 4: If it's in the wrong light spectrum, you ain't gonna

656
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:12,280
see it.

657
00:37:13,159 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 3: It's point.

658
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. Your kill used to talk about the super spectrum

659
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,760
as well, an awful lot of things moving in and

660
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,800
out of our potential to perceive them. It's interesting you're

661
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,159
talking about Galen. I had a cat here that my

662
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,440
daughter was very fond with. It just turned up one night,

663
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,440
stayed for two years, and then went. But I named

664
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,280
a cat Valet because cats are cool, and you know

665
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,599
Jacques Valaise French, so it seemed to fit. But towards

666
00:37:39,639 --> 00:37:42,559
the end of his time with us here, before he left,

667
00:37:43,519 --> 00:37:46,320
there'd been a number of strange occurrences in this house,

668
00:37:46,559 --> 00:37:49,320
like I felt there was something weird, and I didn't.

669
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,760
I'm not somebody who's particularly superstitious. Superstitious. I don't walk

670
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,280
through life thinking I'm having contact with We'd really not.

671
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,559
I'm not that person at all, right, But there were

672
00:37:58,639 --> 00:38:00,480
just and I could go through and there a number

673
00:38:00,559 --> 00:38:02,800
of things that gave me a feeling that there was

674
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:08,719
something wrong here. And when that was happening, Valet used

675
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,880
to sleep in the garage, which is attached to my cabin.

676
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,360
There's also a pole shared and there's some other outbuildings,

677
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,239
but he would always and he would not go in

678
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,199
so much so because that's where and I liked him

679
00:38:19,199 --> 00:38:20,840
being in there because I knew at night if he

680
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,159
was or some of the time because he came and

681
00:38:23,199 --> 00:38:24,519
we went. But I just knew it was a safe

682
00:38:24,559 --> 00:38:26,079
haven for him and he could go in there and

683
00:38:26,119 --> 00:38:28,000
be away from other critics because we have all kinds

684
00:38:28,039 --> 00:38:31,079
of things here, and he always loved being in there.

685
00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:33,960
And I remember he just would not go in anymore,

686
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,119
and he was staying away from the house more and more.

687
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,239
And the only time he scratched me, and he didn't

688
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,199
do it to be mean. I picked him up and

689
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,519
tried to just carry him in, and he was not

690
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,480
having any part of coming back into and then he left.

691
00:38:46,679 --> 00:38:48,440
And it was the same time. There was a number

692
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,599
of things. I felt like there was something weird here,

693
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,719
And of course the Egyptians thought the cat, the cat

694
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,719
was able to, you know, had more of a consciousness

695
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,480
of the other world or the land of the dead.

696
00:38:58,519 --> 00:39:01,320
And I really do think that Vala was picking up

697
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,320
on something here that I just had a feeling about.

698
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,280
And weird things were happening like this, A number of

699
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,199
strange things, and I just had a very weird feeling,

700
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,400
but he knew it, like I have no doubt it

701
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,559
was the exact same time. There was something he he

702
00:39:12,559 --> 00:39:15,159
did not want to experience, and he left and never

703
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:16,719
came back, never saw him again.

704
00:39:17,039 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And I mean and common like common accounts

705
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:25,079
of this one a really really interesting study that was

706
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,679
I can't remember which university it was at, but at

707
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:33,840
the time my professor, doctor Nancys and Roni, she was

708
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,400
still studying and was that one of the major universities.

709
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,639
I want to say it was in the US, but anyway,

710
00:39:42,039 --> 00:39:44,840
there was a really interesting experiment that was going on

711
00:39:45,079 --> 00:39:50,159
with the idea of astral projection or out of body experiences.

712
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 3: And what they had set up at the time.

713
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 4: Was all these little huts outside and they tried this

714
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,599
with a number of different animals, but a snake was

715
00:39:59,639 --> 00:40:01,960
actually included in it, which was really cool and as

716
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:03,039
which is why she brought.

717
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 2: It up to me.

718
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 4: And what they what they did was they had one

719
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,719
of these little huts set up with like a little

720
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,840
bed and a table and a chair, like just really

721
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,760
basic setup, and then they had a bed in one

722
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,840
of the other huts. Now, the person who was going

723
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:23,360
to be astro projecting did not see the other hut,

724
00:40:23,559 --> 00:40:25,880
so they like they didn't know what the layout was,

725
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,960
they didn't know what where the furniture was, so on

726
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,079
and so forth. Their only job was to have an

727
00:40:31,079 --> 00:40:34,920
out of body experience and project themselves into that hut

728
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,639
with all of the different furniture in it, and walk

729
00:40:37,679 --> 00:40:42,679
around and then leave, like go back to their own body.

730
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,599
The only thing in the hut was either it was

731
00:40:45,599 --> 00:40:47,159
like they did it with a cat, they did it

732
00:40:47,199 --> 00:40:49,639
with the python, They did it with a few different animals,

733
00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:51,639
and because they wanted to see if the animal was

734
00:40:51,679 --> 00:40:55,840
actually going to respond to something that was in this hut.

735
00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:03,320
So interestingly enough, experiment went forward, and in the of course,

736
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,800
everybody was watching from a remote camera and they're watching

737
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:11,039
this this or CCTV camera screen, and the snake or

738
00:41:11,039 --> 00:41:14,119
the cat or whichever would sit up, and they would

739
00:41:14,559 --> 00:41:18,559
they looked at the door, and they watched something go

740
00:41:18,639 --> 00:41:22,320
around the hut. Something stopped at the table, and they

741
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,880
looked at that and then watched it walk back, and

742
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,440
then whatever it was disappeared. So then what they did

743
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,920
was they talked to the person who was doing this

744
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,320
this out of body experience and said, okay, tell us

745
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,519
about the room, and tell us where you went. And

746
00:41:40,039 --> 00:41:42,880
he explained where he went, and where he went was

747
00:41:43,039 --> 00:41:47,599
exactly where the animals were looking they were watching, and

748
00:41:47,639 --> 00:41:49,079
he was like, yeah, I walked around the room and

749
00:41:49,079 --> 00:41:50,639
I sat down at the table and I sat in

750
00:41:50,639 --> 00:41:52,000
the chair for a little bit, and then I got

751
00:41:52,039 --> 00:41:54,639
back up and then bub blah, and it was exactly

752
00:41:54,679 --> 00:41:59,159
what they were seeing. So I mean, if you take this,

753
00:41:59,159 --> 00:42:02,519
this this type of an experiment, and then you translate

754
00:42:02,639 --> 00:42:05,639
that to what we're talking about, which is like alien

755
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,480
encounters and you know, all of these different sort of

756
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:13,960
interdimensional things, what are they actually seeing? That becomes the

757
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,880
big question. It's really interesting.

758
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:21,199
Speaker 2: I know, it's super interesting, the idea of his seeing

759
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:26,719
things on all kinds of different levels and different even

760
00:42:27,079 --> 00:42:31,639
both I guess, temporal and spatial planes. I often am

761
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,960
fortunate enough to see, you know, documentaries, very early on

762
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,280
because they run film festivals. I saw a documentary that

763
00:42:38,039 --> 00:42:41,719
the great Dave Schrader was involved with recently, and he

764
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,400
told a story in that about I can't remember it

765
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,360
was him or of its somebody who told him the

766
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:53,679
story about after his grandmother died him and two friends

767
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:57,760
going into the house and them seeing like a figure

768
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:02,239
of the grandmother appear in a chair in front of

769
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:03,840
them in the living room. She used to sit in

770
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:05,840
and just stare at them, and they just panicked and

771
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,559
ran out of the room. And then I don't know

772
00:43:08,559 --> 00:43:10,840
if it was Shrad or somebody else who told Treda

773
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,239
the story, I really can't remember, but Strada told the story,

774
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:18,000
and then the person was Shrad or somebody else remembered

775
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,679
that the grandmother had told them once about seeing three

776
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:24,920
black figures walk into the room and just look at

777
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,199
her and then run just like run out of the room,

778
00:43:28,559 --> 00:43:31,440
and so obviously something had happened. Where So I wonder

779
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,199
how much of all these kind of things we see

780
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,239
doesn't have a muff as much to do with our

781
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,480
slipping in and out of different temporal spaces as well

782
00:43:40,519 --> 00:43:43,920
as things slipping in and out of different spatial you know,

783
00:43:44,119 --> 00:43:47,199
relationships to us, And perhaps a lot of this is

784
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:52,000
just is just that reality is very different to the

785
00:43:52,039 --> 00:43:56,239
type of Newtonian physics, which is the most easy to understand.

786
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,400
That the table solid, that the clock you know, secondhand,

787
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,920
moves at the right time, that when reality mightn't work

788
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,840
in the exact type way we perceive I certainly know,

789
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,440
and it's way beyond my you know, my pay grave.

790
00:44:09,519 --> 00:44:12,519
But I certainly know that many physicists have talked about

791
00:44:12,639 --> 00:44:16,920
time being something which which isn't the way that we

792
00:44:17,039 --> 00:44:19,039
think that it is at all that you know, everything

793
00:44:19,079 --> 00:44:22,079
happens kind of in this or at the same time,

794
00:44:22,159 --> 00:44:25,679
all at once model. But so I often wonder if

795
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,039
much of what we experience as physical beings isn't because

796
00:44:29,559 --> 00:44:32,519
A we're physical, and because we're physical, we're kind of

797
00:44:32,599 --> 00:44:36,360
limited temporarily, you know, I mean, we're limited temporarily, we're

798
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,480
limited in time as much as we're limited spatially. Like

799
00:44:39,559 --> 00:44:41,599
I right now, I can imagine myself having a drink

800
00:44:41,639 --> 00:44:43,840
at my kitchen sink. I can't do that instantly, but

801
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:44,639
I can imagine it.

802
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: Right.

803
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 2: But if I wasn't trapped in this body for a brick,

804
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,920
what could I do? I can imagine, you know, hanging

805
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:52,920
out with the Roman senator, you know, back you know,

806
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,320
one hundred years before christis board, and I can imagine

807
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,440
it like that. What would happen if I wasn't trapped temporary,

808
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,840
if I wasn't taps spatially, maybe I wouldn't be trapped

809
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,360
in a temporal space either, And maybe much of this

810
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:10,320
weirdness is our consciousness not being restrained in a spatial sense,

811
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:14,079
because our consciousness isn't restrained in a temporal sense. So

812
00:45:14,159 --> 00:45:15,519
I don't know. I mean, these are the things I

813
00:45:15,559 --> 00:45:18,440
think about. How much of weirdness can be explained because

814
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,719
reality is actually fast stranger than we accept that it is,

815
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,360
because it's easy to get through your day when you

816
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,119
accept it. As you know, again, the table solid, the

817
00:45:28,119 --> 00:45:31,079
clock moves at a certain pace, whatever. But maybe things

818
00:45:31,119 --> 00:45:33,119
are far stranger than we think they are.

819
00:45:33,559 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean to the point where you know,

820
00:45:37,039 --> 00:45:39,400
I think it was the Institute of Neetic Sciences. I

821
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,320
think it was Ions. It could have been Ion's, but

822
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,119
it was one of the two of them. Actually in

823
00:45:44,159 --> 00:45:46,960
the last it was like three or four months ago,

824
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:51,559
sent out a notice saying they were interested in talking

825
00:45:51,599 --> 00:45:56,400
to people who were having spiritual experiences with extraterrestrials. Like

826
00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:00,440
it's now actively being studied, Like have you channeled something

827
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,239
that has come through and has said that they're actually

828
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:04,039
et like.

829
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 3: They're not here.

830
00:46:05,159 --> 00:46:08,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I'm really interested to see what comes of

831
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:11,639
that study. I think that's going to be really really interesting,

832
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:16,760
and because I mean there's there's been so many people

833
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,639
over the years that have said I've had this encounter

834
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:22,679
that encounter, and you know, it used to get brushed

835
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,639
off like so quickly. You know, Aliens was kind of

836
00:46:25,679 --> 00:46:28,880
the the trigger point I think for a lot of people.

837
00:46:28,599 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 3: To go, oh, yeah, you maybe you know.

838
00:46:32,159 --> 00:46:37,519
Speaker 4: Doctors that way, you know, and and but now it's like, well,

839
00:46:37,559 --> 00:46:41,519
wait a minute, like there's maybe there is something else

840
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:43,719
that's that's actually going on here.

841
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't know.

842
00:46:46,119 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 4: It makes you, it makes you start to reevaluate a

843
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,320
lot of a lot of claims that that people are

844
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,320
coming out with or have been for years, such as

845
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,840
like the Men in Black for instance, you know, talking

846
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:01,079
about these sort of interdimensional things seemed to be coming in.

847
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 3: Are they people we don't know?

848
00:47:04,199 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 4: You know, but people are seeing them. So it's like, well, now,

849
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,960
I think the question is not is this.

850
00:47:11,039 --> 00:47:14,079
Speaker 3: Stuff happening, It's it's why is it happening?

851
00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:16,639
Speaker 4: And what exactly it is. I think we need to

852
00:47:16,639 --> 00:47:19,719
put the question aside of is it happening. I think

853
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,119
that question has been answered at this point.

854
00:47:23,199 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 2: No, I couldn't agree more. And it's interesting that there

855
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,880
are people within. It just made me think of it

856
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,719
because Flat Rockland, Ak Matt Rockland just a d MT

857
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:36,519
mixed with CE five and the C five movement or

858
00:47:36,559 --> 00:47:38,760
the idea that we can contact you know, we can

859
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,760
go out to the desert or to a location and

860
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,639
we can you know, all think positive thoughts or flash

861
00:47:43,679 --> 00:47:46,320
you know, lights into the sky or do both can

862
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:51,159
initiate you know, an extraterrestrial contact. I suspect those things

863
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:55,159
do initiate a contact, yep. But I wonder that doesn't

864
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,760
mean it has to be extraterrestrial. Again, it comes back

865
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:01,079
to where co creating this reality And if there's all

866
00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:04,840
these people he focused on, you know the reality of

867
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:08,159
a lot appearing in the sky, then maybe it's something

868
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,679
far more complicated than extraterrestrial.

869
00:48:11,159 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 1: Well.

870
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 4: I think we've we have to get out of our

871
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:20,760
heads the media concept of what extraterrestrial is. I think

872
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:25,159
that's the biggest leap for just everybody to get through

873
00:48:25,559 --> 00:48:29,400
because we've been since the you know, since the First

874
00:48:29,639 --> 00:48:31,079
War of the World, since.

875
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 3: The you know, the.

876
00:48:34,039 --> 00:48:37,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Dailier stood Still, you know, all of those

877
00:48:37,199 --> 00:48:42,519
cult films. We've been really programmed that it's going to

878
00:48:42,559 --> 00:48:46,000
be these aliens coming down from the sky, and that's

879
00:48:46,039 --> 00:48:49,360
where I think it begins to lose people, because my

880
00:48:49,679 --> 00:48:53,920
feeling is is that that's probably not what's going to happen.

881
00:48:54,079 --> 00:48:56,400
It's probably going to be what we're talking about, which

882
00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:01,480
is going to be a link consciousness link somewhere, and

883
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,719
that might be one of the reasons why people that

884
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:08,760
are are I guess maybe really pushing for the aliens

885
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,440
coming out of the sky. It's almost sounding a little

886
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,119
bit weird now, like when people say I'm waiting for

887
00:49:15,159 --> 00:49:17,679
the aliens or I'm waiting for this this one piece

888
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:19,440
of evidence, like what you like, what you and I

889
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:23,599
were talking about, where I think we're just coming to

890
00:49:23,639 --> 00:49:27,079
a point scientifically where it's just simply not going to

891
00:49:27,119 --> 00:49:30,960
be about that. And I think somewhere internally we kind

892
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,360
of know it, and so this idea of that it's

893
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,440
sort of that there's going to be this giant disk

894
00:49:37,639 --> 00:49:41,559
saucer shaped thing that's going to land and whatever. You know,

895
00:49:41,639 --> 00:49:45,880
maybe it sounds a little off because we intuitively know

896
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:46,960
that it's it's off.

897
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 3: We know it's going to come from something else. I

898
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:50,039
think you could.

899
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 4: Just kind of see the progression in where the conversation's

900
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,960
going and where even where science at this point is

901
00:49:57,079 --> 00:50:01,519
leaning when you're you know, we're talking to talking to whistleblowers,

902
00:50:01,519 --> 00:50:04,000
like we talked about Stephen Greer at one point and whatever.

903
00:50:05,079 --> 00:50:07,800
All of these whistleblowers that claim that they've been working

904
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:11,239
with with these things up close have been saying the

905
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:14,400
same thing, you know, like they've talked about crafts and

906
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,239
they've talked about but that's not their main subject of discussion,

907
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,239
and they want to label it all these different things,

908
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:23,159
like you know, Whitley Streemer's labeling it as demonic, now

909
00:50:23,159 --> 00:50:26,599
the government's labeling it as demonic, and oh whatever, Okay,

910
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,199
you know, call it whatever you want, but it's still

911
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:34,000
we're still talking about now a non physical phenomenon. So

912
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,079
I think the conversation is shifting.

913
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 3: I think I.

914
00:50:38,679 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 2: Think these two and we talk about this quite extensively

915
00:50:41,039 --> 00:50:43,079
on your show, and that drops on Monday, right, So

916
00:50:43,119 --> 00:50:48,320
I encourage if people listen to this first, definitely listen

917
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,519
to that after, because we go a deep, deep dive

918
00:50:50,559 --> 00:50:54,559
on disclosure and it intersects with the type of things

919
00:50:55,559 --> 00:50:57,519
to a degree that we've been talking about tonight. But

920
00:50:57,559 --> 00:51:02,360
it's a very very different conversation, and that supernatural circumstances

921
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:03,400
on Monday, right.

922
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:08,079
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, people can get it anywhere, Spotify, I Hurt, Radio, Apple.

923
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 3: You name it. And it was.

924
00:51:10,079 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 1: It was.

925
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,559
Speaker 4: It was such an interesting conversation and I think it's

926
00:51:13,679 --> 00:51:17,480
it's one that people have probably not heard before. I

927
00:51:17,519 --> 00:51:19,559
think we touched on a lot there. It's a it's

928
00:51:19,559 --> 00:51:22,599
a very different conversation than what's been in the media.

929
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:27,159
Speaker 2: No, I agree totally, as is this this conversation. And

930
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,920
I did mention before in the intro, and I just realized,

931
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,280
I make I want to make sure that we hit

932
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,239
it because I saw both you and Jason Ewlett post

933
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:39,039
that are tracking the Wendigo is now available on the

934
00:51:39,079 --> 00:51:41,400
Scare TV network as well. I think i'd already saw

935
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,199
it seen on Prime or somewhere else. But maybe talking

936
00:51:44,199 --> 00:51:46,519
a little bit about that documentary that you feature super

937
00:51:46,559 --> 00:51:50,760
heavily in with Jason Ewlet, which came out a little

938
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:52,800
while ago, But it looks like it's punching even when

939
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,360
I say a little while ago, not that long ago

940
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,360
at all, but it looks like it's punching even more networks.

941
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:56,599
Speaker 1: Now.

942
00:51:57,119 --> 00:51:59,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was, it was. It was so great to

943
00:51:59,119 --> 00:52:03,519
do it. It was through the small town monsters production company,

944
00:52:03,559 --> 00:52:07,719
and Jason came out to Alberta and I took him

945
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,480
into the depths of some of my research into some

946
00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:14,559
of what we're talking about. And we traveled Alberta with

947
00:52:14,599 --> 00:52:17,960
some really really amazing people, and you get to hear

948
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:22,440
not only modern day accounts of weird when to go

949
00:52:22,599 --> 00:52:25,679
type sightings that have gone on here in Alberta, but

950
00:52:27,079 --> 00:52:30,320
history throughout like all these places where this has been

951
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:35,480
been nestled and whatnot, and there's so much like it's

952
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,599
crazy how deep this actually goes.

953
00:52:39,159 --> 00:52:40,599
Speaker 3: And so yeah, I.

954
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 4: Took Jason to some pretty strange places, but man, it

955
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:50,719
was an absolute blast and just hopefully getting some education

956
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:54,039
out there for people and letting people explore this subject

957
00:52:54,039 --> 00:52:56,880
matter for themselves, because there's so many people that have

958
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:01,320
actually had encounters that either don't realize it or haven't

959
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:05,079
talked about it, and it's it's really interesting. Twenty minutes

960
00:53:05,079 --> 00:53:10,119
from my house was the notorious case of swift Runner,

961
00:53:10,159 --> 00:53:14,159
who ate his family and in the yeah and was

962
00:53:14,199 --> 00:53:16,840
deemed when to go. He was actually the first legal

963
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,079
hanging here in Alberta, which was forty minutes for me,

964
00:53:20,639 --> 00:53:26,000
was he was executed. So there's a lot in that documentary,

965
00:53:26,079 --> 00:53:28,719
So yeah, hold on to your hats. If you watch it,

966
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,119
it's on you you can find it on YouTube, but

967
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:34,800
now in the States it's on two B, Prime, Scare TV,

968
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,639
all sorts of places, so you'll find it anywhere.

969
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 2: And since we've touched on the window go briefly, let's stay.

970
00:53:42,119 --> 00:53:45,360
Let's stay on until we wind up very shortly. Do

971
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,719
you think that do you think that's an example I

972
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:52,039
mentioned before about negative and you know positive, you know,

973
00:53:52,199 --> 00:53:55,440
influences intersecting with us. Do you think that is some

974
00:53:55,519 --> 00:53:57,559
type of I don't know, lack of a better term,

975
00:53:57,639 --> 00:54:01,719
spiritual poisoning or spiritual negative like seeping through in this

976
00:54:02,199 --> 00:54:05,519
co creation type space that we're talking about when somebody,

977
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:10,400
particularly if somebody it's taken over by the wind to Go,

978
00:54:10,559 --> 00:54:13,360
but even when somebody sees one on the side of

979
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,159
the road or experiences one, you know, banging on their

980
00:54:16,559 --> 00:54:18,960
cabin door or any of these type of stories, is

981
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:23,480
that the example of something, you know, something we're co creating,

982
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,000
but we're co creating it with a different force or

983
00:54:26,079 --> 00:54:28,199
is it just us? I mean, I don't.

984
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 4: Know's it's such a big question with the wend to

985
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,480
Go because there's so many there's so many factors in

986
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,880
that particular subject matter that I mean, we could do

987
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,800
a whole hour on that and not be done right

988
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:45,159
down to people coming down with bizarre symptoms of what

989
00:54:46,039 --> 00:54:49,159
psychologists called Wendergo psychosis, which I don't think is a

990
00:54:49,199 --> 00:54:51,679
psychosis at all then for a number of different reasons,

991
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:54,760
but I get into those in the in the documentary

992
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,000
as to why it doesn't seem to really fit that model.

993
00:54:57,599 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 3: But there's something, there's something going.

994
00:55:01,519 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 4: On there that I can't explain. One of my dear

995
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:07,519
friends actually ended up in that situation when he was

996
00:55:07,559 --> 00:55:11,440
a kid, and he believes that that happened to him

997
00:55:11,559 --> 00:55:13,920
and he they the doctors couldn't diagnose them, They couldn't

998
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:15,440
figure out what the hell was going on with him,

999
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,440
and it turned out that he was living basically where

1000
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,599
Swift Turnner was attacked by the When to Go in Yeah,

1001
00:55:21,679 --> 00:55:26,119
in Saint Albert. So there, there's there's so much to

1002
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:29,920
this particular subject. Whether this is something that's an external

1003
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,559
I think I think there is something external that's there,

1004
00:55:35,079 --> 00:55:39,119
but we do know that it coincides again with with

1005
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:45,679
specific types of trauma, so you know, trying to unpack

1006
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:47,199
all that in like the few minutes that we have,

1007
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:50,840
we really can't. But it's it's it's a really interesting

1008
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:54,320
subject matter. Our friend Chad Lewis, who we both know,

1009
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,639
he attempted to unpack it a few years ago and

1010
00:55:57,679 --> 00:55:59,840
ended up writing an amazing book called wehnd to Go Lore.

1011
00:56:00,199 --> 00:56:02,159
Speaker 2: You wrote the forward for that book. It's a great book.

1012
00:56:02,159 --> 00:56:03,159
I haven't, no, no, that one.

1013
00:56:03,159 --> 00:56:04,159
Speaker 3: I didn't write the forward for.

1014
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 4: I wrote the forward for his Winter Legend.

1015
00:56:07,199 --> 00:56:08,199
Speaker 2: I'm getting the confused.

1016
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but his but that that book. Even by

1017
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,320
the time he was done that and the the insane

1018
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,199
amount of research that he did, he was still stumped

1019
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,239
as to what in the hell this phenomenon is. It's

1020
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:26,320
it's unique in the world of cryptosology and parapsychology and folklore.

1021
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,039
Speaker 3: It's it's it's its own thing.

1022
00:56:29,199 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, Chad's amazing, and the Windigoes story is is just

1023
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:36,400
so incredibly fascinating. Now I have in the show notes

1024
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:40,440
a link through to your Supernatural Circumstances website, as well

1025
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:42,880
as a link through to your author page on Amazon.

1026
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:45,079
But you might want to you want to tell people

1027
00:56:45,119 --> 00:56:47,360
how to get there or anywhere else right now, Like,

1028
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:49,039
are there any u r LS or anything you want

1029
00:56:49,079 --> 00:56:50,960
to point anybody at, or anything you want to say

1030
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,400
that's upcoming. You have the floor for a couple of minutes.

1031
00:56:53,559 --> 00:56:54,199
Speaker 3: Oh thank you.

1032
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,559
Speaker 4: Well, first of all, everybody, thank you guys so much

1033
00:56:56,599 --> 00:56:59,400
for coming and joining the chat and hanging out with us.

1034
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:03,159
Speaker 3: For a little while. And oh, squash Mama says she's

1035
00:57:03,159 --> 00:57:05,719
just subscribed. Thank you so much. That's awesome.

1036
00:57:06,119 --> 00:57:10,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, please come join me on Supernatural Circumstances. It's bi

1037
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:13,320
weekly and it really is a podcast where we just

1038
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:17,280
strip down the bs around parapsychology and we have some

1039
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,239
of the best names in the world coming on the

1040
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:24,599
show talking about these subjects, people like Dean you know,

1041
00:57:24,679 --> 00:57:30,519
but we have also you know, neuroscientists and researchers and eyewitnesses,

1042
00:57:31,119 --> 00:57:34,360
and we talk about it from a different angle. It's

1043
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,559
not from the sensationalized angle. It's from the trying to

1044
00:57:37,639 --> 00:57:41,719
dissect exactly what this is and stripping away the Hollywood

1045
00:57:42,159 --> 00:57:47,039
and getting down to the magic of parapsychology, which is

1046
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:50,480
far better than anything that you're going to see on TV.

1047
00:57:50,599 --> 00:57:52,559
So I would love to have everybody come and join

1048
00:57:53,159 --> 00:57:55,840
join us, and it's anywhere that you get great.

1049
00:57:55,679 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 2: Podcasts and it's such a fantastic show. I'm honored that

1050
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,239
I've gotten chance to be on it a few times

1051
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:05,280
now and again, people should really listen to the other

1052
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:07,679
part of the disclosure conversation that you and I kind

1053
00:58:07,719 --> 00:58:11,760
of had, the the this I don't know, the psychological,

1054
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:15,480
the supernatural version, the spiritual version of tonight, because we

1055
00:58:15,519 --> 00:58:19,760
go down the entire the entire disclosure movement and all

1056
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:23,320
the problems with it in your upcoming one which is

1057
00:58:23,679 --> 00:58:27,239
on dropping on Monday, which is what's that on the

1058
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,239
eighth of June, So if you'll listen, is that right?

1059
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:32,360
So after the eighth eighth, Yeah, I think that's right.

1060
00:58:32,599 --> 00:58:35,239
If you're listening to this after the eighth of June,

1061
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,920
you can go and what and watch your listen, Go

1062
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:41,760
and listen to the Supernatural Circumstances podcast with me and

1063
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:44,320
Morgan talking about disclosure straight away, and if it's before,

1064
00:58:44,639 --> 00:58:46,400
if you're watching a live or a day or so after,

1065
00:58:46,519 --> 00:58:50,199
make sure to remember to go the following Monday. It was.

1066
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:53,760
It's always such a great joy to chat to you, Morgan.

1067
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,199
Thank you so much for coming on the show.

1068
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 3: Oh right back at you. It's always a blast.

1069
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:00,519
Speaker 4: And I knew this conversation was going to be fantastic,

1070
00:59:00,559 --> 00:59:02,039
and it was so thank.

1071
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:04,679
Speaker 2: You, well, thank you, And until I get to talk

1072
00:59:04,679 --> 00:59:07,400
to you again, Morgan, which will hopefully will be in

1073
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:09,800
the very near future, and until I get to talk

1074
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:13,199
to everybody else out there, which will be same weird time,

1075
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:17,960
nine pm Thursday, Same Weird network, the Untold Radio Network.

1076
00:59:18,079 --> 00:59:20,199
Please keep it weird.